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Exclusive Video: William Shatner On His (Unseen) ‘Star Trek’ Scene & Appearing In Sequel August 1, 2011

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Celebrity,Conventions/Events/Attractions,Shatner,Star Trek (2009 film),Star Trek Into Darkness , trackback

Last week at the Epix outdoor screening of The Captains in Los Angeles I had a chance to talk briefly to William Shatner about that Star Trek 2009 scene written for (but never shown to) him. Bill wondered why they never showed him the scene and said that he would consider returning to the role of Kirk, even for a short scene as a recording. Watch the video interview below.

 

Shatner wonders why never shown his Star Trek scene – but would consider appearing in sequel

Recently William Shatner said that he does not expect to be in the Star Trek sequel. The original Star Trek actor has often said that he doesn’t see how the new Trek team could bring him back as his Capt. Kirk died in Star Trek: Generations. At a recent Epix online Q&A TrekMovie submitted a question about the scene written for Shatner for the 2009 Star Trek movie and he said he didn’t think there was such a scene. At an Epix event in LA last week I had a chance to follow-up.

I described to Mr. Shatner how there indeed was a Star Trek 2009 scene written for him and how they had worked out a way to bring him back as a recording of Kirk. Shatner (wryly) pondered "why didn’t they tell me [about the scene]?" And when I asked that if they used this recording method, would he consider doing a "short scene" for the Star Trek sequel. Shatner would only say (with a smile) "It depends on the short scene." I also had a chance to talk to Bill about his future convention appearances (noting that Leonard Nimoy is retiring from cons in October). Bill talked about his FanAddicts conventions reality show, and revealed that he would be filming for that potential new series at the Star Trek Las Vegas Con in August.


William Shatner introduces "The Captains" at Hollywod Forever screening in Los Angeles (Photo: Rob LaTour)

 

UPDATE: Video of Shatner introducing Captains

 

Comments

1. ensign jack - August 1, 2011

im sorry but i dont think a scene with the shat will fit…. maybe in trek ’09 but not in the sequel

2. Pizza - August 1, 2011

Here we go again.

Stick a fork in Shatner, it’s done!

3. Christopher Roberts - August 1, 2011

Bill, Bill, Bill… remember those books you worked with the Reeves-Stevenses?

Sure, they’re not canon right now. But somebody ought to negotate the rights and make a cartoon series out of ‘em.

Ashes of Eden, The Return and Avenger. Voice artists for TOS actors no longer with us, one more round up for those who are. Some TNG in the mix. Everyone’s happy.

Throw your “hologram message” cameo in the next film, as you look now and in a 24th Century uniform. It all ties together I tells yer. :)

4. Jordan - August 1, 2011

It it was offered to him, I don’t think he would have even read it if he wasn’t the star. He’s a bit of a narcissist.

5. Jack - August 1, 2011

2. Indeed.

Excellent persistence, though, Anthony. What IS the story on that scene (I’ve read here that, I think, JJ, or the team as a whole, felt it didn’t really work)… was it in an early draft or was it written separately and then abandoned… or was it abandoned and then written anyway?

Does the Will-Shatner-be-in-it? spike traffic or something?

6. Rocket Scientist - August 1, 2011

It would strain credibility to have Shat-Kirk in the new movie, but his body of work in Prime Trek will always be admirable. He’s got nothing to prove.

7. Jamie - August 1, 2011

I don’t see how they can bring Shatner back if they don’t bring Nimoy’s Spock Prime back, because the only way it works is if Spock Prime shows up again with a recording or something. I think they already confirmed Nimoy won’t be in the second one, so I doubt any kind of scene with Shatner would make it in.

8. tony - August 1, 2011

Id love to se his novels made into movie or made for tv they were a good read go shat!

9. HP7B $1B - August 1, 2011

There’s probably a higher chance of Shatner appearing in an episode of Doctor Who with Matt Smith than there is of him doing another Star Trek movie.

10. dmduncan - August 1, 2011

“Bill wondered asked why they never showed him the scene and said that he would consider returning to the role of Kirk, even for a short scene as a recording.”

To all those who called the Shatner scene a “cameo” and said Shatner would never do it — how does that taste?

I KNEW they never even approached him with it, never even ASKED if he’d be interested in doing that scene. And now we know he’s open to it. It’s not a case of “no, no matter what,” it’s a case of “how good is it?”

And I knew he’d be open to it because he already DID a cameo for FanBoys, and a rather cornball one at that.

Anthony Pascale, now since you have such a rapport with JJ Abrams, why don’t you ask him if he’d consider shooting that scene for a Special Fan Edition Blueray if Shatner is open to it?

11. Christopher Roberts - August 1, 2011

The Shat looking more like Detective Lucerne from that Columbo ep… wearing that cream hat.

“Just one more thing.”

12. MJ - August 1, 2011

Sheesh, hasn’t the Shat-in-Abrams-Trek issue been put to bed finally…why continue stoking this fire???

13. Aqua - August 1, 2011

JJ should give an interview stating no chance in hell

14. Exarkun63 - August 1, 2011

Aww, the Shat is NOT done! Who knows who is being honest? This is Hollywood! With all the excrement that flies around in Hollywood, there’s no frigging way to tell who is telling the truth? Was Abrams, Orci, and Lindlehof truthful about there being a scene like this in one of the final versions of the script? Who knows for sure. Maybe there was. Maybe there wasn’t. It’s easy to cover your ass when hindsight is invovled. Especially in Hollywood. The bullshit gets so thick, who can breath?

I think that it would have been a great scene. If it were true.

And if the Shat had actually known that this scene of him in the final part of Star Trek ’09 truly existed, I think that he would have done it. It’s a wonderful scene with his voice-over during the final part of the movie.

Not a single actor in Hollywood would miss out on how great a scene this is at the end of a great movie.

I feel that if Shatner knew that this was what Abrams wanted, he would have jumped at the chance.

I think that the part for Shatner was written AFTER the fact. After the movie was made. AFTER it was a hit. I NEVER heard of this scene until well after the release of the film. It makes a great story.

We heard all of the crap about the Shat not wanting to do a “cameo”.

As written and presented to the public, this final scene is more than a cameo or a bit part.

It’s a great scene!

So what if he died in Generations. Spock died in Kahn and came back when Nimoy found out that he was in a huge hit. History was changed in ST 09. Totally different timeline! Was Scotty ever banished to some frozen wasteland for a transporter accident involving Admiral Archer’s dog?

Not that I ever heard of. And I started watching the original Trek with my dad whe I was 3.

Alernate timeline.

And as much as I HATED seeing Vulcan implode, I got it. I didn’t like it, but I got it.

Spock played by Nimoy died in the original Star Trek universe ( I got that present for my high school graduation in the summer of ’82 with the Wrath of Kahn ). And came back in ’84 with the Search for Spock.

And in Star Trek ’09.

Why can’t Shatner’s Kirk?

Nimoy wants to retire forever (which saddens me to no end). William Shatner is ready to roll for more. Let him.

I can’t be the only 48yo Star Trek fan to feel this way.

15. MJ - August 1, 2011

@10. It tastes fine, because he is lying about not knowing about that scene, just like he is lying about never having seen Trek 09. He says things that are calculated to be in the best interests of his career, and the truth need not apply.

In other words, there is no way he would have done that minor scene — unless there was a seven figure payment involved, which wasn’t going to happen.

16. Tony Todd's Tears - August 1, 2011

Interesting idea, Shatner wants to do a documentary about a fan’s perspective at a convention.

He could have a part in it where a fan pays $200.00 to get their picture taken with him, and stands in line for an hour, and then Shatner blows him off.

17. AnotherScott - August 1, 2011

They should shoot the scene now, and insert it into a “Special Edition” DVD release of Star Trek 2009. I bet they would sell enough of those DVDs, even to people who already bought the first DVD, to justify the expense of hiring W.S., and creating the scene. If they do it while in production for the next movie, the additional expense could probably be minimized…

18. Jack - August 1, 2011

Goshdarn, here we go…

The scene had an air of (I first wrote ‘reeked’ and thought it made me look like a dick) fanboy desperation. I still don’t think it would have worked. I know a bunch of folks disagree with me.

DM, are you suggesting a conspiracy?

19. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - August 1, 2011

Here we go again. Hang on to your hats. It’s Shat Time. Will he or won’t he. Should he or Shouldn’t he.

20. dmduncan - August 1, 2011

Anthony, why don’t you just propose the idea (post # 10) to JJ next time you interview him just to see what he says? Asking harms nobody and nothing.

21. MJ - August 1, 2011

@20. DM, you illustrate the entire problem with this Shatatopia scenario. It is being created the media — Anthony asked these questions to Shat after Shat himself already announced he would not be in the sequel. So it is the media, including Trekmovie.com, that is still stoking this fire on this tired old issue. Shat plays along because its good for business, not becuase he wants to do something to make the legions of his fans happy.

You really need to get your special order in of the “They Live” sunglasses my friend — Shat looks much more real when you use them to view him! :-)

22. Christopher Roberts - August 1, 2011

Hopefully Bill’s keeping something under his hat. I’m not exactly going to be disappointed if he isn’t. Every character’s story has to have an ending and we had his… although the books soon got round that, just like they did with Enterprise’s awful series finale. Sometimes fans are their own worst enemy with rules about what’s canon and what isn’t. It has to be onscreen only? Well, there’s world of different media that’s visual. Find a way and use that to put mistakes right.

23. Chris Dawson - August 1, 2011

In my humble opinion, It be great if the Shatner novels were to be recognized as canon and that his appearance in either Trek 2009 0r 2012, where he is older than Kirk – Generations, the resurected Kirk from the Shatner novels re-connected with Spock, to give him that final farewell, their friendship having truly spanned the test of time.

They did give credence to the novels as we never saw mention of Kirk’s father in anything screened, but did in at least two of the novels.

No doubt, it’s all a money thing . . . .

I was at that screening of “The Captain’s” and found it to be very intriguing, both as a fan and as someone working in the film industry. Some funny and slightly awkward moments, but definitely one of the better “Insider” pieces.

24. Sid - August 1, 2011

I still think the recording is a glorious idea.

It would’ve been the perfect way to end ST09, especially with a Shatner “Space…” leading to those intro-music credits. Bad call to pass up on it.

There’s still a billion ways to add it to a script for the sequel. Do it, dammit! Everyone loves the Shat except some Star Trek fans (and actors)

;)

25. dmduncan - August 1, 2011

18. Jack – August 1, 2011

No, no conspiracy! But as a one time filmmaker myself, I am absolutely certain that the scene would have worked. I can envision its fit into the whole and I find it fitting perfectly. I know it will work. I can see it clearly. Including that scene certainly will not HARM anything that came before it. It’s what — two minutes? Minute and a half? — at the end of the movie. The ride is over and things are being tidied up, which is what that scene really does.

If nothing else, what that scene does is it provides an excellent IN FILM emphasis of the Kirk Prime/Spock Prime friendship that those who are new to the franchise have no or only a vague idea about, which contrasts against the rocky relationship the younger set of those characters has in the film they are watching.

26. Quatlo - August 1, 2011

Anthony should have moved that jackass with the other microphone butting into his interview out of the way. If he can’t do it, he needs to hire an assistant who could have handled that kind of crap efficiently.

27. Elliot - August 1, 2011

26.

Seconded.

28. captain spock - August 1, 2011

please
Mr shatner let it rest all-ready sick & tired of hearing this over & over again, tired of hearing about whos the blame for your not in a trek movie .

in your own words” get a life”, your time in trek is over, it seems to me the other cast members dont complane about being in another movie as much as you do.

enjoy your life ok.

29. Spock's Uncle - August 1, 2011

William Shatner will ALWAYS be Captain Kirk… no matter how well Chris Pine grows into the role, or whoever may play the stalwart Captain in the future. That is no slap at Pine or anyone else. Shatner defined the character, created the man and the myth. It was a mistake (acknowledged by almost everyone involved) to kill Kirk off in “Generations”… Gratuitous, unnecessary, and poorly executed (pardon the pun)…

We should remove “Generations” from the framework of “Canon”, and allow Kirk to show up whenever might be appropriate…. which is to say, any damn time he feels like. He’s William f—ing Shatner!

30. 12YearOldTrekker - August 1, 2011

Ugh… Shat, I don’t care. You’re too late, it would’ve been better in trek ’09. This film wouldn’t work. You blew it.

31. MJ - August 1, 2011

@29 “He’s William f—ing Shatner!”

Faking?

32. red dead ryan - August 1, 2011

Well, I will always admire William Shatner and appreciate his time as Captain Kirk, but I think the “Star Trek” franchise really needs to move on. Leonard Nimoy’s appearance in the reboot was required to give it a send off and lend some credibility. The hologram scene would have been perfect. But J.J Abrams decided against it and now what’s done is done. The first J.J Abrams film saw Chris Pine’s Kirk taking command of the Enterprise after defeating Nero and saving Earth. The sequel is going to follow the journey of Pine’s Kirk as he grows into the role of Captain and matures into the leader that William Shatner originally depicted so well during TOS and the original movies.

If William Shatner appears in the sequel, then who will it be for the third? Nichelle Nichols, George Takei, or Walter Koenig? Will any of those actors feel left out and demand to be in it?

Anyway, I’m kind of sick and tired of the “passing the torch” moments of nostalgia that has been sprinkled throughout Trek in the last 25 years or so.

Time to leave the past in the past and set a course for the future of strange new worlds.

That is all.

33. Tom - August 1, 2011

It would be great if Leonard would do something with him. However you could still do the scene by establishing that Spock Prime gave the pendant to Quinto. We just wouldn’t see it unless Leonard unretires

34. red dead ryan - August 1, 2011

#25.

A one time filmmaker? What movie did you make?

35. Keachick (rose pinenut) - August 1, 2011

This has become such a yawn. I am sure that JJ Abrams and co. will do what is best for the movie. It is ultimately their decision. Out of our hands – been there, done that with this issue. Starting to nod off…

36. jas_montreal - August 1, 2011

can’t we just let it be? Just forget it ?

?!?

37. MJ - August 1, 2011

@34 A French bicycle film?

38. MJ - August 1, 2011

@36 “can’t we just let it be? Just forget it ?”

I agree. Not sure why Trekmovie.com is stoking the flames on this one still? It is time to move on and stop messing with this issue, that Shat himself has put to bed, and that we are all completely fatigued with. Enough!

39. dmduncan - August 1, 2011

34. red dead ryan – August 1, 2011

I made short films, funny man. 5 of my own and crewed on about 10 that others directed at NYU.

40. captain spock - August 1, 2011

so freaking what hes is William F-ing shatner & he played Captain James T. kirk in the 60s series & movies ..ok
F.Y.I. Jack lord & Lloyd bridges were also up for the role of kirk, what would have been if one of those actor had gotten the role instead of William F-ing Shatner & where would have it left Mr.shatner …out in the cold.
well lucky for Mr Shatner the other two actors went to other show that left the role open for Mr.Shatner to play Captain Kirk.

41. red dead ryan - August 1, 2011

#39.

That “funny man” comment should be directed at MJ. I was just curious what you made, that’s all.

#38.

“…and that we are all completely fatigued with. Enough!”

And yet here you are posting multiple comments on the very topic you claim people are tired of!

42. VOODOO - August 1, 2011

Take this for what it’s worth (which may not be much)

I was told by someone who should know (I can absolutely not confirm what this person told me was correct so take this as a nothing more than a rumor from a trusted source) that Shatner was in fact offered that scene in the film and he declinded because he wanted a role and a paycheck at least as big as Leonard Nimoy’s.

Remember Shatner’s “I don’t do cameo’s” mantra of 2008? How would he even know it was a cameo if the scene wasn’t offered to him? He was also found of saying how “he was worth the investment” and several other self agrandizing statments on his I want a major part in Star Trek 09
tour…I think he may have overvalued his importance to the film and they moved on without him. Didn’t he go as far as saying at one point that he was going to be in the film on the Jay Leno program?

Shatner’s tone has changed considerably since the days of “I don’t do cameo’s” of a couple of years ago. I met him a few weeks ago and he said that he would love to be in the new film. Infact I asked him point blank if he would be in the new film and he said “stranger things have happened” which gave me a little hope that we will see him one last time as Kirk.

By the way, it would be fairly easy to work him into a ST film that is based on an alt universe and shifting time frames. My money says they return Spock to the Prime universe at some point (maybe the third film?)and there is Shatner as Kirk with a smile on his face…Then the scene fades to black with no explanation…That would be pretty cool if anybody is out there listening : )

43. gingerly - August 1, 2011

Shatner’s just being gracious/networking.

He’s not going to say he’s not open to a job; the workaholic, that he is. And he’s not going to anger fans by saying he wouldn’t do it.

Still, that horse is dead, rotted, and well-picked over by vultures.

Unless it’s a photo in the background, basically an easter egg, then no Shat.

44. dmduncan - August 1, 2011

41: “That ‘funny man’ comment should be directed at MJ. I was just curious what you made, that’s all.”

No worries. I thought you were making a play on my words, i.e., “one time filmmaker” to mean I made one film.

45. MJ - August 1, 2011

@39. “I made short films, funny man. 5 of my own and crewed on about 10 that others directed at NYU.”

That is pretty cool, DM. Seriously!

46. The 76th Distillation of Blue - August 1, 2011

#16 that made me laugh sooo hard, darn creation are rip off artists arent they.

47. red dead ryan - August 1, 2011

Gotta admire non-Hollywood folks who have made their own movies.

#44.

Have you ever thought about a career in filmmaking? Maybe you could film Harry Ballz’ script? I hear he’s still looking for a producer! ;-)

48. Jack - August 1, 2011

48. We should get together and write/film a Trek movie to compete with the next one. Musical?

49. dmduncan - August 1, 2011

“Fanboys” settles the question of whether or not Shatner will do a cameo, and it was released, ironically, in 2009, the same year in which Star Trek was released. Perhaps he was so worn out by his two minute appearance in Fanboys that he didn’t have the strength to show up for another two minutes in Star Trek.

He just confirmed above once more what was already obvious by his appearance in Fanboys which was not, by the way, a big budget film, and only grossed $688,000+ domestically. So, he’ll do a cameo in a low budget film but not in a big budget film? Mmm hmmm.

Shatner is a rational business man who will go where the paid work is. They never offered the Shatner scene to him, they never began any negotiation, and they should have.

50. The 76th Distillation of Blue - August 1, 2011

I still feel that if they remade the epsiode the deadly years they could include all the surviving original cast who wished to be invovled.
from shatner to Takei to nichols koenig and nimoy even though he has retired.
or not even a remake of the deadly years but some sort of situation like that.

51. Keachick (rose pinenut) - August 1, 2011

Instead of all this to’ing and froing about Shatner being or not being in the new Star Treks, what we really need to hear is whether JJ Abrams will actually direct the sequel, ie make a darn decision already, and when (sooner I hope) that lovely Pine guy will get a peak at the script in order to prepare… Paramount needs to set some deadlines, including a new film release date (Nov/Dec 2012?).

Sometimes there can be too much over-thinking. Although the writers, producers and director have been doing other projects, I am sure what the next Star Trek story should be and how to show it has been at the back of all their minds for a good part of the time. Hopefully, all that (un)conscious thinking/musing will find positive creative expression now, even as I write this.

Come on, bring it on, guys! As Kirk said, more than once, just “Do it. Do it. Do it.”

(Perhaps there is apparent disorder and tardiness because there is no female on the team. As they say – behind every success one needs to “cherchez la femme”). Oh dear…sigh.)

It is now AUGUST! Rumours have it that a definitive announcement will be made. Now is the time to turn those rumours into FACT!

52. red dead ryan - August 1, 2011

#48.

Maybe the bunch of us should just go “find” Duncan Jones and “ask” him to direct a Trek movie? Apparently he prefers physical models to cgi ships. Harry Ballz can write the script, dmduncan can produce, and we could design stuff! ;-)

53. MJ - August 1, 2011

@50. “I still feel that if they remade the episode the deadly years they could include all the surviving original cast who wished to be involved.”

Creative and hilarious!!! Maybe also throw in a side effect for Captain Kirk where Dr. McCoy’s fist attempt at a vaccine, where Kirk heroically volunteers to be the first test subject, goes wrong, and Kirk both grows old and gains a lot of weight?

54. MJ - August 1, 2011

@49. “they never began any negotiation, and they should have.”

We don’t really know this, do we? I could see Paramount feeling out Shat’s agent, and determining it would take a seven figure sum, and therefore it was never formally pursued because they knew Shat’s asking price would be ridiculous. And of course we would never hear of this and both sides would bury it.

55. red dead ryan - August 1, 2011

#50.

No offense, but if I want to see old versions of Kirk, Spock, Sulu,etc, I’ll just pop in the TOS Blu Ray and watch “The Deadly Years” instead of paying to see a big screen remake featuring only the surviving members of TOS alongside the new cast but minus DeForrest Kelley and James Doohan. No thanks! The whole “rapid aging” schtick has been done to death!

56. dmduncan - August 1, 2011

47. “Have you ever thought about a career in filmmaking? Maybe you could film Harry Ballz’ script? I hear he’s still looking for a producer! ;-)”

Career, not so much anymore. Don’t think I’m cut out for the Hollywood way of doing things. I’d make a good indy though, and all this talk of movies since I’ve been posting here has really got me interested enough again that I’m looking to shoot a short film I’ve had in mind for years, and I’m actively hunting for a Super 16 or Arri 35-II camera to buy to do it.

48. Jack – August 1, 2011

The Wrath of Khan is certainly dramatic enough to become a Broadway musical I think. A Star Trek musical is not a bad idea.

57. red dead ryan - August 1, 2011

#56.

Hope it works out for you!

Also, I agree about the TWOK opera. It would really be interesting to see how the producers would cast it, and how they’d do the sets and visual effects.

“KKHHHHHAAAAAANNNNNN!!” could end up usurping “SSSTELLLAAAA!!”
as the musical scream!

58. Harry Ballz - August 1, 2011

Ryan+dmduncan

Ryan, I appreciate you promoting my script!

If we ever do a Trek film you can be a redshirt!

dmduncan, cool background, my friend!

59. Kenny - August 1, 2011

First of all Anthony thank you for this site where fans from all over can come together and discuss their interest in all things trek. Now, how many people commenting on shatner has ever met the man and talked to him. Most everyones opinion is based on stories they have read or seen in the media. Yesterday at the Nasville convention I had a chance to sit down and talk to Mr. Shatner and his wife. I too had heard of the stories about how bussiness like and standoffish he could be. It was just the opposite. That was after doing a hour of smiling for the photo session. He and Mrs. Shatner were very friendly and talkative for over twenty minutes(it was this fans once in a lifetime dream). Then went out onto the stage for an entertaining hour. It was the fans not Mr. Shatner that kept bringing up being in the next Star Trek movie. His reply was as you reported. He would love too but knew it would be difficult after his character died in Generations. But unless anyone knows the whole story why is there a need to badmouth anyone that has brought us years of entertainment. Wheather it be Shatner, Abrams or the writers who give us the oppertunity to communicate on this site.

60. MJ - August 1, 2011

@57. “Also, I agree about the TWOK opera. It would really be interesting to see how the producers would cast it, and how they’d do the sets and visual effects.”

RDR, I assume you know about this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iauuuhpSfRQ

…the only really funny Trek Robot Chicken production.

61. MJ - August 1, 2011

@59. That is a good anecdotal single data point. Sounds like he treated you a lot better than he treated Doohan, Koenig, Takei and Nichols, plus numerous support staff over the years.

62. red dead ryan - August 1, 2011

#60.

Yeah, I’ve seen it. But we were talking about a Broadway production, with live actors and real sets and visual effects. I think it would be too enormous a task to pull off convincingly and it would be very expensive with only hardcore Trekkies being interested.

63. Harry Ballz - August 1, 2011

During the entire interview, as Anthony is asking reasonable questions about the Shat appearing in the movie, Shatner is practically sneering at poor Anthony. Shatner’s facial expressions ranged from disbelief, condescension, arrogance to being dismissive in tone. When Shatner was told that there WAS a scene written for him in the last movie, he acted like he thought Anthony was pulling his leg/lying to him.

I guess Shatner is so accustomed to jerking around everyone HE meets, that’s the first place his mind goes when he thinks someone has told him something he didn’t know about. Talk about a suspicious and close-minded nature. Sad.

64. MJ - August 1, 2011

@63. Not to mention that he hardly answered directly to any of Anthony’s questions. And he is exhibiting the trademark condescension here to Anthony as well.

What are people seeing in this guy that I am missing?

65. red dead ryan - August 1, 2011

#63.

I thought William Shatner was very nice, polite and cordial. I saw nothing condescending about the man. I guess since you can’t stand him so much, you can’t see anything positive about the man. Sad.

66. david - August 1, 2011

if i don’t have epic (directv) anyone know how i can watch The captains?

67. red dead ryan - August 1, 2011

#65.

There’s a dvd release planned for later this year.

68. NTH - August 1, 2011

#23
Totally agree,a wonderful idea,perhaps in a similar holographic scene….if only!

69. Sebastian S. - August 1, 2011

I could’ve sworn Shatner had gone on record as saying he HAD seen ST09 (last year in fact, at a private screening with Leonard Nimoy as I recall), and now it sounds like he’s backpedaling and saying he HASN’T?
Huh??

If he’s addressing certain people, he’ll say he’s seen it, but if he’s talking to mainstream press, he likes feigning that he has no interest in ST….

Ironic, his feigning a lack of interest in Star Trek, considering all the ghost written ST novels he’s authorized (not written mind you, but ‘authorized’) and how the franchise gave opportunities for so many other things in the most recent years of his career.

Oh well, it’s his life; he can remember it however he wants to, I suppose…

Oh well, if

70. MJ - August 1, 2011

@65. Didn’t you see him ask Anthony if he was “some kind of divine person?” And didn’t you him completely sidetrack the convention question, and the Nimoy question? Plus the smart-alik remark to Anthony about the microphone?

Perhaps RDR you also can’t see anything negative about the man through those rose-colored glasses you are wearing? I recommend replacing them with “They Live” sunglasses. :-)

71. MJ - August 1, 2011

@69 “I could’ve sworn Shatner had gone on record as saying he HAD seen ST09 (last year in fact, at a private screening with Leonard Nimoy as I recall), and now it sounds like he’s backpedaling and saying he HASN’T?”

Yep!

72. Phil - August 1, 2011

It’s one thing to ask a question in a short interview, it’s another to stick a contract ion from of him and ask him to sign it. Asking Shatner if he wants to be in the next Trek is akin to asking the drug addict if he wants another hit. No matter how much he may want to say no, he’s gonna cave and say yes. It gives the die hards something to get all stiff about, and it stokes WS’s ego. Let it go, man, just let it go….

73. red dead ryan - August 1, 2011

#69.

Listen, I’ve said before that the man has a big ego. It is what led him to direct “The Final Frontier”, and agree to killing off Kirk in “Generations”. And I’m aware of his clashes with some of his former castmates during the TOS years. I’ve never said he was perfect.

I just can’t see what you and Harry see from Shatner in that video. Maybe its you two who are wearing “wrong prescription” glasses that distort the image of Shatner. I suggest you guys go see a better eye doctor! ;-)

74. Phil - August 1, 2011

Yeah, Shatner seems a bit snarky in the clip. It’s also a clip, and possible that it is out of context – Anthony is the only person who can answer that question.

75. Soran - August 1, 2011

Hear, hear, Aqua!

Given that he asserted that ST09 would suffer financially fom his absence (it didn’t) and his much-publicised, drawn-out reluctance to even see it, I think the makers of the sequel owe him NOTHING.

76. Jon Spencer - August 1, 2011

Put him in!

77. Buzz Cagney - August 1, 2011

#’10 Shat himself said he wouldn’t do a cameo.

78. Buzz Cagney - August 1, 2011

#40 thanks for the history lesson. What was your point though?

79. Anthony Pascale - August 1, 2011

I am touched people are worried about my treatment fromShatner and the reporter next to me, but it was all standard for red carpet situations. My only complant was not enough time, but that was managed by epix PR

80. Harry Ballz - August 1, 2011

Anthony

thanks for the clarification!

My perception was that Shatner didn’t seem to believe a word of what you were asking/saying.

81. Siskoz - August 1, 2011

#61
In re #59 comment. Athony has been the editor for trekmovie for approx 4 years. He not only informs us (the fans) about the movie but all aspects of trek. tos, tas, tng, ds9, voy, ent and the movies-tmp-ins. I for one appreciate all the work he puts into it for us. If a fan has info we appreciate him or her sharing it with us, well I should say some of us do. It is obvious you dislike Mr. Shatner, thats cool its your opinion. Its obvious that 59 as well as I like and enjoy the work Mr. Shatner has done with Kirk. There are some.people who like the Tos-ent years, sorry about that but without tos there would be no nu trek. Call Shatner what you will. I too have met the man in 1977 and not as a fan. He was going through a rough time but you know he was damn cool with me as well. You say your a fan of trek and if this is so then you know we are all cool with each other. Show some respect for a fellow fan. It doesnt matter what incarnation of trek he or she digs they are still trek fans

82. Buzz Cagney - August 1, 2011

#79 Anthony, it wasn’t that they were worried about your treatment, it was more they saw an opportunity to take their daily dig at Shat. They have to take the chance when they see it in case one doesn’t happen along later. ;-P

83. MJ - August 1, 2011

@80 “My perception was that Shatner didn’t seem to believe a word of what you were asking/saying.”

Other than that, Shatner was just awesome!

84. BeatleJWOL - August 1, 2011

@42

“My money says they return Spock to the Prime universe at some point (maybe the third film?)and there is Shatner as Kirk with a smile on his face…Then the scene fades to black with no explanation…”

SLASH ALERT

85. Harry Ballz - August 1, 2011

82.

Now, Buzz, be fair……the film clip speaks for itself. Shatner is snotty at best.

“Your emotions will be your undoing”

86. MJ - August 1, 2011

@85. ….as Buzz’s “continued predilection for irrelevancy dictates”?

87. lostrod - August 2, 2011

Yikes. More of the MJ and Harry Ballz hatefest for Mr. Shatner. It’s their main claim to fame and they milk it for as much as they can.

They’re interpretaion or perception of what Mr. Shatner “thinks or feels” has no value whatsoever (disclaimer – my opinion only). No matter what the actor says they will only see the negative, it appears.

Why wouldn’t Mr. Shatner appear surprised or skeptical that there was a scene written for him – since the writers have stated that they never offered it to Mr. Shatner. Yet Mr. Shatner was bashed because he refused to do the cameo.

It is pretty outrageous for folks (not just the dynamic duo of MJ and H B) to make statements like “Mr. Shatner would never do a cameo” or “Mr. Shatner thinks …” or “Mr. Shatner feels …” or “Mr. Shatner would demand more money …”, etc. Unless someone can prove they actually have ESP or other such abilities, they are out of line making such statements.

You can’t blame the actor that he keeps getting asked the same question over and over and over again. He’s certainly earned the right to respond any way he chooses.

I am unable to watch the video (or basically all the videos posted here) because the Internet connection here in Iraq is a throwback to the dial up modem days.

Regards.

88. Jack - August 2, 2011

“Why wouldn’t Mr. Shatner appear surprised or skeptical that there was a scene written for him – since the writers have stated that they never offered it to Mr. Shatner.”

87. Well said, the whole post.

89. Jack - August 2, 2011

62. That would be kind of fantastic. Hmmm.

90. MJ - August 2, 2011

Wow, some of you guys are pretty gullible in my opinion to believe that the first time that Shat became aware of this scene was when Anthony mentioned it to him in the interview? Come on guys? Give me a break, would you. His daughter and agent keep him fully abreast of everything mentioned on the web concerning him and Trek.

Sheesh guys, come on! He is feigning/acting like he is surprised. It is so obviously phony.

Score another one for Shat for hoodwinking one over on most Trek fans.

91. chrisfawkes.com - August 2, 2011

I would like to see a film based on an aging James Bond who has long retired yet when the world is in imminent danger he is recalled into active service.

Shat playing Bond.

92. MJ - August 2, 2011

@87 “I am unable to watch the video (or basically all the videos posted here) because the Internet connection here in Iraq is a throwback to the dial up modem days.”

That’s too bad, because you would see what we are talking about here clearly if you could see the video.

BTW, thank you for your service — MUCH APPRECIATED !!!!

93. chrisfawkes.com - August 2, 2011

So MJ Shatners agent would have told him about a scene that was never offered to them or Shat?

Speculation isn’t fact and that’s bad speculation.

94. Harry Ballz - August 2, 2011

91.

chrisfawkes

I can hear the title now…………………….The Man With The Golden Rug.

95. Vultan - August 2, 2011

#90

It could be feigning… or it could be his memory. I mean, the guy is 80 years old and managing the vast Shatner media empire. Can’t expect him to remember everything that crosses his desk.

The Big Giant Head is a busy man!

;)

96. Harry Ballz - August 2, 2011

Shatner’s mug is smug like a bug in a rug!

Not that I’m suggesting he has lice!

Somebody hand him a towel so he can wipe that SMIRK off his face.

The man is irksome in the extreme. Captain James T. Irk some.

If it wasn’t for Trek he would have NEVER made it in movies.

97. MJ - August 2, 2011

@96. This is the guy who was campaigning to be included Trek 2009, and until recently, still mentioning the sequel for him to have a role in. Therefore, I find it implausible that he is not 100% aware of this, and was messing with Anthony…notice how, like a politician, he turns the question around on Anthony completely and essentially deflects into a joke about Anthony being all-knowing.

Come on guys, are you really falling for this charade? :-)

98. Kirk, James T. - August 2, 2011

It’s not so much a question as to whether or not Shatner’s going to make an appearance as it is a question as to whether Abrams and Co. want to return Star Trek back to the Prime Timeline. If they have an idea to somehow throw our new crew back into the Prime Timeline then sure you could have cameo’s from Shatner, Stewart and many more. The technology exists now to de-age actors convincingly and as that technology improves it may only be a matter of Shatner recording lines for his CG counterpart as you would an animated movie.

However if the studio and Abrams are thinking that the Prime Timeline as far as live action/canon/animated TV/film is concerned has been put to bed indefinitely, never to be woken again then I think the likes of Shatner, Stewart or Bakula should remain within their own universe and let the new guys and the new universe build on its own merits and successes as time goes on.

It was great to have Nimoy back passing the torch because it was conceivable for him to do so but now that we know the new guys are just as good if not better, its essential to let these guys do it for themselves and build on the first movie without the cameo’s from Shatner or Nimoy.

99. KHAN 2.0 - August 2, 2011

i think the way to have included Shatner in ST09 was when Kirk and Spock beamed over to the narada and Kirk went off looking for Pike. he comes to Neros computer consol and looks at the screen – on it is an image or footage of Shat Kirk (TWOK era in the red uniform) – the explanation being Nero has been checking up on his adversary – who he is/what his thinking is like etc. (i believe he does this to an extent in ‘Countdown’)

NuKirk looks at it perplexed – theres something awfully familier about this guy but cant stick around and check up on his alternate future as hes got to find Pike and get off the ship and its then he gets attacked by Ayel/Nero leading to the ‘I know your face….’

nothing big just a throwaway thing – abit like the Death Star cameo in Attack of the Clones or the scene in ’In a Mirror Darkly’ with Mirror Archer. kirk would catch a fleeting glimpse of his alternate future (he was obviously curious as he asked Spock Prime in the ice cave). when Kirk and Spock 2.0s go over to the Narada and aboard Spock Primes ship they were basically going into the ‘Prime Universe’ and messing about with TNG/Prime stuff, it wouldve been nice to have abit more on the alternate future

100. wyatt1670 - August 2, 2011

Why cant they just have Kirk, Spock, Chekov, Sulu and Ahura go on an away mission and when they return they start to age with the end result being the original living actors would be working with the new cast. Mccoy by the end of the movie would of figured out how to make them young again. Maybe even coming up with the beginning of the genesis device. We would get to see the original cast one last time and maybe the start of the genesis arc in the new timeline started by mccoy.

101. KHAN 2.0 - August 2, 2011

99 cont – plus it would’ve vaguely tied in with Kirk saying earlier that Nero would know what they were up to as they were part of his history so lets be unpredictable

102. Mikeypikey - August 2, 2011

Greedy guts greedy guts!!!!

103. Daoud - August 2, 2011

@16: If you think Bill saw even a dime of that $200, you don’t understand who REALLY rips off the fans…. many of those old-day conventions where all the funds did was enrich the ORGANIZERS of them.

104. Iowagirl - August 2, 2011

I’m so glad I don’t know what Shatner feels or thinks or assumes or likes or doesn’t like or wants or demands or what’s actually going on in his mind. Just imagine the confusion and the pressure – to know all these things and to constantly juggle those inconsistent information in your head while listening to and watching the man. Ah, the pain…

105. Bryan with Pointy Nacelles and a Large Disk - August 2, 2011

Star Trek 2009 was a mess. Even Nimoy (Spock Prime) couldn’t evoke a tear from me. And believe me I tried to feel it.
Nimoy without Shatner, Spock without Kirk, the movie had all flash and NO substance.
Trek 2009 needed Shatner’s Kirk playing off each other…even in a small part at the end of the film.
It was not your father’s Star Trek. It was for the video/Iphone generation…played fast and loose and impersonal.
JJ belongs to his generation…he’ll never be a Spielberg.

106. Jim Seals - August 2, 2011

As a frequent visitor, though infrequent commentator, I love how TrekMovie.com is the little site that could; by far surpassing anything else out there on the ‘net.

-J.

107. MoPo - August 2, 2011

Someone please tell The Shat that it ain’t happening.

108. Christopher Roberts - August 2, 2011

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.

Shatnerverse novels as animated movies. Clone Wars style saga filling in the blanks.

Ashes of Eden (destruction of NCC-1701-A, Kirk’s final mission) set between STVI and Generations

The Return (Borg, Romulans, resurrected Kirk, stop off at DS9, launch of NCC-1701-E) and Avenger (Kirk/Spock team-up, Picard & TNG crew opposing) set post Generations.

Cartoon versions of TOS and TNG characters meeting with Shatner, Nimoy, Stewart, Frakes and the rest, all back to provide the voices.

109. Star Trek: Voyeur - August 2, 2011

When Bill passes away… there will STILL be discussions about getting his visage into the ‘next’ Trek film. It will never end. Talk about (Hollywood) star power! (no pun intended) :)

110. Christopher Roberts - August 2, 2011

108.(supplemental) Actually. You know what? Forget I said all that.

It just seemed an obvious way for Prime Universe Star Trek to be

a) alive and separate from the Abramsverse movie branch of the family if need be…

b) continuing on TV (or whatever home video is called these days, direct to the market, download, DVD or Blu ray whatever)

c) character recognition – and the actors who are big names enough to voice over on the likes of Family Guy, American Dad… as themselves.

d) cheapest way to do it – animation, without $millions cost of producing sets

111. Christopher Roberts - August 2, 2011

110. (continuing)

d) Kirk, Spock, Picard, Data = all looking closer to their appearance 15 years ago, thanks to it being a cartoon. Whether cell animation or CG.

112. Shannon Nutt - August 2, 2011

Bill is playing coy…of course he knew about the scene. It’s like when he’ll tell you he’s never seen an episode of the other Star Trek series. It’s just him playing to the interviewer and/or crowd…he does this all the time. People have got to stop taking everything he says at face value…he’s an entertainer!

113. Trek Nerd Central - August 2, 2011

No no no no no no no no no.

I love Shat, but I am SO OVER this conversation. He wasn’t in the last movie! He won’t be in this one!

Okay! Got it! End of debate! Please! Take pity on us! Change the subject! Who here thought “Cowboys & Aliens” sucked?!

114. Aashlee - August 2, 2011

@112 One can “entertain” without lying. Hint…tease…yes, those are fine. But there are lines that should not be crossed, and IF he’s crossing them, then there is no excuse for that, Hollywood common practices or not.

I do not think Shatner should be in the next movie. As I’ve said many times before, this franchise reboot needs to spread its own wings, this new crew of actors, producers, artists, and other creative professionals allowed to build on the TOS nucleus and take us to new places without being tethered by anyone, Mr. Shatner included.

Now, that aside, let me say something in defense of Mr. Shatner.

My husband and I met him years ago. We stood in line and paid $100 to have our picture taken with him. However, the check we wrote was not to Mr. Shatner, nor was it to the convention organizers. Mr. Shatner himself requested the impromptu photo session, and he requested that all checks be made out to one of three different kinds of charities–our choice. One of the categories was children’s charities, so our $100 was made out to the local children’s hospital.

When we stepped up and had our photo taken, Mr. Shatner was very nice. The brusque egomaniac that we had heard about previously must have taken the day off because the energetic guy we met was gracious and made sure that our experience was a good one.

Now, if only he (and everyone else) would let this whole movie appearance thing go away… He obviously has enough other “Trek” projects to keep himself busy and engaged in the genre. It would be awesome for him to build on those.

115. P Technobabble - August 2, 2011

While I agree that sometimes the media harps on an issue, milking it for all it’s worth, this is what the media DOES in an attempt to interest, entice and excite the audience. Judging by the posts in this thread (whether pro or con Shatner), Anthony has gotten precisely the results an informative and entertaining forum should get. Nearly everyone is talking about Shatner, including the people who don’t wanna talk about him.

We all know (or should know, by now), that Shatner’s appearance in either film, whether or not he saw the first one, whether he knew about the hologram scene, whether he stuck his nose up at someone, whether he had eggs or pancakes for breakfast… we don’t HAVE to discuss him.
I think we discuss him because he has such an effect on us — love him or hate him. I’ve never met the guy, I’ve never written to him, I don’t know what part of the books with his name on them were written by him, I don’t know how he is in real life, and I don’t know what the man feels behind the celebrity. All I know is that when I see and hear and read him, I think he’s got a sense of humor, he’s amazingly sharp and well-preserved for his age, and he seems to have unstoppable energy. Period. I liked him in TOS (series and films), I thought he was over the top at times, I know the supporting cast resented him, and I realized that, in his every performance, he brought William Shatner to the role, but that’s HIM. I’ll always be a fan from where I stand. As TOS fans, Shatner lives in that “fan” part of us, and will until the day we die, just as the others will. If you were there from the beginning, to some degree you grew up with these people and you just can’t let them go.

116. dub - August 2, 2011

Nice mic flag, Anthony!

117. lostrod - August 2, 2011

#112

So you’re a mind reader, eh? You KNOW that Mr. Shatner KNEW something? :)

Pure conjecture. Not a fact.

You’re not alone here. It’s amazing how many people have apparently mind melded with the guy and know his innermost thoughts and feelings.

But you are correct that he is definitely an entertainer.

118. MJ - August 2, 2011

@104 “I’m so glad I don’t know what Shatner feels or thinks or assumes or likes or doesn’t like or wants or demands or what’s actually going on in his mind. Just imagine the confusion and the pressure – to know all these things and to constantly juggle those inconsistent information in your head while listening to and watching the man. Ah, the pain…”

Huh? It’s really not all that complicated. Just a handful of facts to remember.

@112 “Bill is playing coy…of course he knew about the scene. It’s like when he’ll tell you he’s never seen an episode of the other Star Trek series. It’s just him playing to the interviewer and/or crowd…he does this all the time. People have got to stop taking everything he says at face value…he’s an entertainer!”

Exactly !!!

@114 “One can “entertain” without lying. Hint…tease…yes, those are fine. But there are lines that should not be crossed, and IF he’s crossing them, then there is no excuse for that, Hollywood common practices or not.”

Agreed. Same as him saying last year he had seen Trek 09, now this year saying he has just scene a couple of scenes. He mixes fact and fiction to entertain and promote himself, and the truth need not apply.

@115 “Judging by the posts in this thread (whether pro or con Shatner), Anthony has gotten precisely the results an informative and entertaining forum should get. Nearly everyone is talking about Shatner, including the people who don’t wanna talk about him.”

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you here — good point!

@117 “So you’re a mind reader, eh? You KNOW that Mr. Shatner KNEW something?”

No, but he and I have something you don’t — a working bullshit filter. :-)

119. Cygnus-X1 - August 2, 2011

There’s no good reason not to give the original Kirk a proper swan song, unless you don’t like Shatner. But what Trek fan doesn’t like Shatner? Such people, I would expect, are the minority.

It doesn’t matter that it would be in a sequel. It doesn’t matter that Shatner’s older now. It doesn’t matter that Kirk died in the abominable “Generations.” It doesn’t matter that there’s a new crew now and new fans who like the new crew. It doesn’t matter with respect to continuity. It doesn’t matter with respect to pacing in the sequel. It doesn’t matter, it doesn’t matter, it doesn’t matter.

I just doesn’t matter.

All of the above would-be obstacles can be overcome with but a bit of imagination.

All that does matter is whether you (you, the fan; you, the filmmaker) WANT to give the original Kirk a proper swan song. If not, then don’t. If yes, then do.

But, please, let’s not have lots of half-hearted arguments as to why it can’t be done. We’ve seen the idea that Orci had for Kirk’s final scene in the first film. Clearly it can be done somehow. (It’s science fiction, for chrissakes. ANYTHING can be done.) If the Shat is willing (and he’s willing if the part is decent) then it can be done. So why don’t we cut through the BS and either support writing him a part that he can be proud of doing, or say that you don’t want to have him in the new film because you don’t like him.

If they write Shatner a part and offer it to him, and Shatner refuses it because it’s not big enough for him, and it appears that a part of sufficient size for Shatner to accept would create other problems for the movie, then we’ll have much better closure than we have now. The writers will have tried, and the responsibility for the failure of the effort would rest squarely on Shatner. And then we could all move on, except for a few Shatner fanatics that would write him a major part in the sequel.

120. John in Canada, eh? - August 2, 2011

While I know it would be next to impossible in this age of Twitter… it would be fantastic if Shatner had a ‘secret’ cameo in the next movie, even if just as a voice over. Imagine the roar of the crowd (on opening night, anyway) when he (or a CGI version of Kirk) would appear.
It woulnd’t have the same effect, but an appearance by an aged Admiral Archer, or T’Pol would also be nice – if it could be kept a secret.

121. MJ - August 2, 2011

@119. “It doesn’t matter, it doesn’t matter, it doesn’t matter.”

Sounds like you are not only trying to convince us, but yourself as well?

122. chrisfawkes.com - August 2, 2011

Shatner for computers voice.

123. John from Cincinnati - August 2, 2011

This is science fiction people. If they could re-imagine the original series into a pointless, drab, inconsistent, lens flared, poorly designed Engineering, ugly iBridge, destruction of Vulcan, ignoring Tarsus IV Kirk backstory of a parallel universe, they can certainly bring Shatner back!

Oh by the way, Bob Orci I still love you guys. Excellent job on Hawaii Five O. (I’m also sure some of the ST09 story decisions and design elements were part JJ’s.)

124. John from Cincinnati - August 2, 2011

See you all in Vegas next week! Already got my Shatner photo op ticket in my hot sweaty little hands!

125. Phil - August 2, 2011

@119. Careful. I’ve enjoyed Shatner’s characterization of Kirk, and other performances. I consider myself a fan of Trek, but not of Shatner. He comes across as egotistical and vain, which are not qualities I seek in my friends. I’m sure he has some redeeming qualities, but that dosen’t mean the franchise owns him anything. Star Trek made him very wealthy and recognizable world wide, and WS has freely capitalized on that fame, which he is free to do. I’m reminded of the saying that one should be careful climbing the ladder of success, the people you step on on the way up are the same ones you will pass on the way down.

126. Desstruxion - August 2, 2011

Apologies if someone has already suggested this, but why not film the original cameo scene and put it in a special edition Trek 09 release in a couple of years from now? It could be released just before the sequel goes to dvd/blueray. Maybe both films could be sold in a special boxed set. I’d buy it. Just for the scene.

Also, Shat could still return as Kirk but not from the prime universe. No one really knows how history will play out and Kirk may not even be involved in the Nexus ribbon incident.

127. MJ - August 2, 2011

@125 “@119. Careful. I’ve enjoyed Shatner’s characterization of Kirk, and other performances. I consider myself a fan of Trek, but not of Shatner. He comes across as egotistical and vain, which are not qualities I seek in my friends. I’m sure he has some redeeming qualities, but that dosen’t mean the franchise owns him anything. Star Trek made him very wealthy and recognizable world wide, and WS has freely capitalized on that fame, which he is free to do. I’m reminded of the saying that one should be careful climbing the ladder of success, the people you step on on the way up are the same ones you will pass on the way down.”

Right on the mark, as usual, Phil!

128. Neilio - August 2, 2011

dude Shatner… please go away, your acting like a first grader in this ploy to be in the next feature, Yes I know your jealous of your best friend Leonard being in it, but then again your acting like the US Govt who cant agree on the budget, your charachter was killed off in Generations, and you say supposidly, you have yet to see the latest film? come on… Im sure you and your wife Liz went over to Leonards for Thanksgiving or Christmas and watched it on his state of the art flat screen tv

129. The Starfleet Veteran - August 2, 2011

Put Shatner in JJ-Trek 2! I need something to make it feel tied to real Star Trek. Nimoy was that in the last one.

130. Star Trek: Voyeur - August 2, 2011

Here’s how to insert Shat’ into the script:

Trek 09 opened in the past, setting in motion events 20+ years later.
Trek 13+ could open in ALT timeline future, showing an aged Kirk making a decision that once again will alter the current ALT timeline, 20 years prior.

Now there’s three timelines, and one in which Kirk does not die on a bridge.

(Wow, i just realized that was a bad metaphor in Generations. Instead of dying on the bridge of a ship he died on the bridge of a planet. Uggh)

131. Lt. Bailey - August 2, 2011

Its science fiction, anything can happen.

132. EFFeX - August 2, 2011

Please don’t put him in the new movie, there is no need for him at all at this point. Let the new crew stand on their own now.

133. Dr. Image - August 2, 2011

#130 Actually…I like it!
JJ??

134. Dac - August 2, 2011

Am I the only person who can’t see the video?

135. Jack - August 2, 2011

Somewhat on topic:

Picard, Kirk or… Sisko?
http://popwatch.ew.com/2011/08/02/kirk-picard-star-trek-sisko/

136. Jack - August 2, 2011

122. Carrie Fisher for computer voice? Jullianne Moore again?

137. Basement Blogger - August 2, 2011

@ 3

Christopher Roberts. I agree that Bill Shatner should play Kirk again in an animated feature. Leonard Nimoy is still with us, let’s get what’s left of the band together for more adventures as an animated feature, maybe put it direct to DVD to gather more interest in Star Trek 2013.

By the way, your ad for a campaign to make another Entrerprise for DVD is great. The reworked credit sequence using the end credits music not that soft rock abomination and Bakula narrating TOS oepining speech is inspiring. You might want to specifically put what you want at the end. “Let’s get a new Enterprise adventure for DVD.” Because I was saying to myself that Enterprise is on DVD but you want a new one. Anwyay, it’s just great. If any Trekkers haven’t seen it , here’s the link.

http://www.youtube.com/ENTERPRISENX01

138. VulcanFilmCritic - August 2, 2011

All of the questions raised above are moot. Not for artistic reasons but economic ones.
“Star Trek” is no longer the domain of geeky fan-boys and fan-girls. It’s a brand of action-adventure films suitable for a general audience. And going forward, given the cross-over appeal of the first film, expected to be a general crowd-pleaser.
It was necessary to bring someone from the original cast onboard to drag in the existing fan structure, and to give the new crew some “street cred.” Whether Shatner or Nimoy, it mattered not. Just get those fan-boy bodies in those seats…somehow.
From an artistic standpoint, a touching scene between Shatner (even a holographic Shatner) and Nimoy would have brought the house down. But that didn’t happen, and in retrospect, Nimoy alone was sufficient. Less satisfying, but sufficient.
The new film will be a test case of Bad Robot’s product’s appeal to the general audience and they will have to go it alone.
We love Captain Kirk, love him to pieces, but to put him in the new film would be a “stunt” which would scream to the world: DESPERATION.
Not only that, it would overshadow and eventually cripple the new crew’s ability to establish their roles. Having Shatner on the set for comparison with Chris Pine would be annoying to say the least.
And lastly it would be unseemly. Can you imagine Jeffrey Hunter hanging around Desilu studios, begging for some kind of reprise of his role as Captain Christopher Pike? Hunter to Roddenberry: “You know, we can film it from the Talosian illusion point of view! It’s all a dream sequence! Get it?”
Now if that sounds ridiculous, it’s no more ridiculous than what Mr. Shatner is suggesting.
No, what’s done is done. It’s time to move on.

139. BringBackKirkPrime - August 2, 2011

Lets move on, Bring Back the Shat!

140. Eric - August 2, 2011

Not too late to put Shatner in the 2009 Trek. Look at how many times George Lucas has changed the original Star Wars movies (including swapping out Anakins at the end of Return of the Jedi).

141. Andy Patterson - August 2, 2011

Hey Anthony,

Good interview. Cool you got that. And cool you get to meet and interview all our heroes from our childhood. Maybe you’ll get one with with Lee Majors someday (my four old has discovered Six Million Dollar Man through me—a real kick watching it through his eyes again … Although I’m sure he’s heard it before)

And I still love the Shat. He brought something from himself (the good…maybe the best) to the role and to Trek. He meant something to me.

142. Christopher Roberts - August 2, 2011

137. Thanks! It’s kind of old now and I really should change it. But yeah, my mistake with that was not being clear enough… It feels like something that’s going to happen, NOT something that didn’t but should’ve really.

Most I hope for these days is for Scott Bakula (he’s still as popular as ever, given the recent ComicCon) to show up in the next film. A cameo like Kirk/Spock looking at some historical file with him onscreen. To do with his involvement setting up the Federation or surviving the Romulan War.

143. The 76th Distillation of Blue - August 2, 2011

I dont know whats worse, all the ppl crying dont put him in the new movie let the new crew stand on their own, or the media who just wont let him not being in the film(s) die.

seriously elder kirk being in the new trek movies will not inhibit the ability of the new cast or crew to stand on their own.
if thats were the case then movie would have even bigger problems than it allready has going into the production process.

i know ive been quite vocal about the disapointment in the slow manner this movie has crept into production, but i have never doubted their talent when it came to the first movie(iam just of the thought if you have to much on your plate pass the torch to someone else you trust to do just aswell. now you may disagree with that and thats cool)
Having seen the trek XI many times, I know they can if the story called for it write prime kirk in, in a manner thats not forced or contrived.
in fact that unfilmed scene is a great example, if that hadnt been cut it would not have took anything away from the pine or the others (cause they are talented actors(es) )

144. The 76th Distillation of Blue - August 2, 2011

edit button in the day of touch screen phones would be a big big plus….
Just saying

145. John from Cincinnati - August 2, 2011

There’s an amazing old invention people, it’s call CGI. With CGI you can insert any actor from any age into any movie. My favorite use was putting Humphrey Bogart in the Tales from the Crypt episode in 1991.

It’s now 2011. If they could do it 20 years ago then can do it now. Bring Shatner back, as his younger self!

Like James Doohan said, he loved Captain Kirk. Bill Shatner not so much. Who cares? The man plays the best hero ever seen on television. Not some 90210 wannabe.

146. Christopher Roberts - August 2, 2011

142. (cont) It’s not really JJ Abrams’ problem that we didn’t see those events on Enterprise. The same way, it’s not his problem Shatner-Kirk got killed off, in a way nobody looks back on with pride. But Star Trek has a universe with a history that continues to enthrall fans of ages and they’re still discovering it. You can never really escape it, even by going to an alternate reality. It’s an “alternate” version to what went before. So you both tell the story anew and while having a twist on something familiar. Something you can point to in TOS and then take a left-turn from. What if this happened, instead of what we saw in the 1960′s?

“I regret that we meet in this way, Captain. In another reality, I might’ve called you friend.”

^ That’s still my favourite line of dialogue from Star Trek.

147. dmduncan - August 2, 2011

I didn’t see Shatner being condescending, rude, or anything nasty at all in that interview, and by the tone of Anthony’s voice he didn’t seem to be put off by Shatner’s answers either.

The sweat and some of his expressions did make he and his wife look tired and uncomfortable, but he patiently answered Anthony’s questions anyway, he wasn’t trying to brush AP off as a person of no consequence, he managed humor, and the remark he made about AP being more in the loop than he was seemed more like flattery tinged with envy.

148. Boris - August 2, 2011

I urge everyone to stop commenting on this blog post, in the hope of putting to rest this blatant fan-campaigning for Shatner to appear in a future movie as compensation for the supposed injustice in leaving him out of the latest movie. There is nothing newsworthy about this article.

149. Lt. Bailey - August 2, 2011

#146

I would really enjoy having ENT come on to DVD directly. Just so they can tell so many more stories of the history before the Kirk era. For those who did not like or care for ENT, thats their right. But what was the problem with having a show that dealt with the history between now and Pike?kirk era???

150. Chadwick - August 2, 2011

We’re still dealing with this? Still posting articles about this. AGAIN at Comic Con he yet again said he has not seen the new movie. Said AGAIN that he knew of no such scene and (I predict) highly doubtful that he will be in the net movie. This is just mundane and doldrum. Not nocking the editor of this post, simply the subject matter, enough already.

151. Starbase Britain - August 2, 2011

I just dont understand why Mr Shatner is getting flak on this board. If someone asks him a question then he tries to answer it. Its not his fault if its the same old question. sheesh!

If your not interested in this subject then dont bother reading it let alone reply to it by posting!
double sheesh!

on a personal note – get him in the movie if possible please :o)
while were at it – lets get david cameron to stand down as Prime minister and install the shat.
Greg
UK

152. Christopher Roberts - August 2, 2011

149. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Season Four proved that. If Manny Coto were an ore miner, he and the rest of the writers had just struck a rich vein of Untapped Trek. I never saw anything wrong in looking a past episodes and asking how did they get to that point? What happened before? If you can tie that into some character on the show, they would’ve had it made. The risk of disappointment always worries the writers though. I remember when they showed us the inventor of the transporter, Emory Erikson and while I thought – Hey that’s great! I’ve always wanted to meet that guy! Others were like – Yes, but that story wasn’t everything it could’ve been.

153. dmduncan - August 2, 2011

When Anthony starts charging subscription fees to access this site then maybe I’d be more sympathetic to the complaints of the editorial badgers; until then, it’s not like he’s NOT giving you what you paid for, so while you can complain to Anthony for posting stories you don’t like and don’t want to read — the bad is all yours when you click on and read them.

And many of us like this issue just fine (so ask JJ next time you have a chance, AP!)

154. Andrews - August 2, 2011

No, thank you.

155. Christopher Roberts - August 2, 2011

149. In short, Enterprise trying to show us Star Trek history at an earlier stage – Yes, that’s why I liked it. Even when they missed a trick or had an inconsistency. That sort of thing was easily explained when it happened. Like stealth technology used by the Suliban, being called cloaks. Shortly after they had found a way to neutralise that. So it was back to the drawing board… the Romulans seemed to be experimenting on that too, which the NX01 had more trouble detecting. Just like Star Trek VI and Klingons who can fire when cloaked, but who can’t 80 years later. If you like something, you’re motivated to come up with plausable explainations.

156. MJ - August 2, 2011

@53 “And many of us like this issue just fine (so ask JJ next time you have a chance, AP!)”

Yes, an issue like Shat or No Shat for me takes my mind off stuff like the gov’t going bankrupt or double-digit employment. It’s harmless fun.

157. Anthony Thompson - August 2, 2011

6. Rocket Scientist

It would also strain credulity.

158. Cygnus-X1 - August 2, 2011

125. Phil – August 2, 2011

—-@119. Careful. I’ve enjoyed Shatner’s characterization of Kirk, and other performances. I consider myself a fan of Trek, but not of Shatner. He comes across as egotistical and vain, which are not qualities I seek in my friends. I’m sure he has some redeeming qualities, but that dosen’t mean the franchise owns him anything. Star Trek made him very wealthy and recognizable world wide, and WS has freely capitalized on that fame, which he is free to do. I’m reminded of the saying that one should be careful climbing the ladder of success, the people you step on on the way up are the same ones you will pass on the way down.—-

Did I say that I wanted to give the original Kirk a proper swan song just because the franchise owes it to Shatner, or did you just attribute that motive to me on your own?

I can respect your not liking Shatner. And if his personality puts you off enough to turn you off the idea of having a proper ending for Kirk, then I can totally respect that, too. These kinds of reasons I think are perfectly reasonable, as I said—if you don’t like Shatner and don’t want him in any more Trek movies, then that’s how you feel and I would not take issue with it.

But I’m not advocating on behalf of Shatner and the equity of his treatment by the franchise.

I’m saying do it for US. Do it for TREK. Do it out of respect for the character, for TOS, for the vision of GR, for the franchise transitioning properly into its next stage, but most of all, do it for the loyal fans who deserve better than what they got in the travesty of Generations.

159. The 76th Distillation of Blue - August 2, 2011

i wonder how many people who have such a low opinon of shatner, do so because they listend and bought in a little to much into Takei’s jaded william shatners is not nice stories.

I have never once heard shatner in an interview or apperance put down any of his co stars he has ever worked with, even the ones who do it to him.
Also you never hear any actors from any of the other series shatner worked complain about him or his ego. From TJ Hooker, to the practice/Boston Legal to $h!t my dad says etc.

just a little food for thought.

160. MJ - August 2, 2011

@159. But could Takei, Doohan, Koenig, and Nichols all be wrong then?

161. KyMalairn - August 2, 2011

I’m surprised no one has printed up the Kirk speech from Trek 2009 and asked Shatner to read it on stage at some convention.

Any takers??

162. Mel - August 2, 2011

He could play another character, but he shouldn’t play old Kirk. It would just be awkward to put old Kirk into the sequel. And personally I rather see more of Chris Pine than him. I really like William Shatner, but his time in Star Trek is over.

163. Canon Schmanon - August 2, 2011

Oops! I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to wander into this tired old argument. I’ll just be leaving.

164. Greg2600 - August 2, 2011

I’ve read the scene, it was average, and a waste of Bill’s time.

165. Iowagirl - August 3, 2011

#118
I don’t remember any “facts”. Glad you do though – it’s always better to have some facts in your life than to rely on hearsay, rumors, and bias. Now if you learn to detect irony yet, you’ll have all the qualifications to be a useful member of this board… :)

166. lostrod - August 3, 2011

#118:

No, but he and I have something you don’t — a working bullshit filter. :-)

Sorry, your above mentioned filter obviously doesn’t work or I wouldn’t be seeing your posts … :)

167. Cygnus-X1 - August 3, 2011

159. The 76th Distillation of Blue – August 2, 2011

—-i wonder how many people who have such a low opinon of shatner, do so because they listend and bought in a little to much into Takei’s jaded william shatners is not nice stories.—-

That is a good point.

I’ve seen that Shatner has a big ego, but it’s understandable given the totality of his person, and he really doesn’t seem like a bad guy. I watched him interview Walter Koenig on Raw Nerve, and he expressed regret and confusion as to why Koenig, Takae and Nichols had never, not once, come to him to express their grievances. Koenig’s answer was that, though Shatner never even hinted that he would take retribution against them if they’d come to him with complaints, they were nonetheless afraid to do so because they figured he had the power to get them fired or demoted (have their scenes shortened or cut).

To me, this perfectly explains why Koenig, Takae and Nichols would hold a grudge and feel such resentment. They resented Shatner like so many people resent their bosses—because he has power over them. And, as we’ve seen, Shatner has not nearly been a perfectly behaved person. His failure to join the rest of the cast on stage when Jimmy Doohan was sick was pretty bad, regardless of the reason. And I’m sure that Koenig, Takae and Nichols must have resented Shatner’s big ego and him getting the lion’s share of the screen time, fame, fortune and adoration.

But the fact is that, at least according to Koenig, they never came to Shatner to speak with him about it. And, as egotistical as he may have been, we can’t also blame the Shat for not having been a mind-reader.

Personally, I can understand people not liking Shatner for whatever reason. And I can understand that, not liking Shatner, they don’t want him in any more Trek movies. But what I don’t understand why people who like Shatner wouldn’t want him in any more movies. That I just don’t get. Surely the “awkwardness” of it (whatever that means) would be outweighed, at least, by the benefit of righting a wrong (Generations) and properly ending the run of the most important character in all of Star Trek. But obviously not everyone feels that way. Still, I really hope it happens.

168. MJ - August 3, 2011

@166 “Sorry, your above mentioned filter obviously doesn’t work or I wouldn’t be seeing your posts … :)”

I must admit, you have a point there! :-)

169. Damian - August 3, 2011

Hasn’t this been rehashed enough. Kirk-prime is dead. Bob Orci and the gang are not going to erase Generations from canon. They respect the prime universe canon too much to just pretend it never happened. Plus, it would just play into the hands of the detractors who say the new team has no respect for prior Star Trek. So you can put that one to bed right now.

Some here want them to canonize Shatner’s novels. I am not a fan of that idea. I just started reading the Shatnerverse novels (I’m up to Avenger–I know I’m about 10 years behind on those) and at points they seem very gratuitous, like the whole universe is out to get Captain Kirk. I actually preferred the Crucible: Kirk book. Kirk still has to save the galaxy, but the whole universe does not seem to revolve around him there. It just seemed much more in character to me. I’ve also gotten used to the various relaunches of the different spin-offs and canonizing Shatner’s novels would jettison most of those stories, since they are separate from each other.

One thing I don’t understand is all the “fat Shatner” jokes. When I think of fat, Shatner does not come to mind as the poster boy for fat people. He’s obviously overweight more so than he was 20 years ago, but he’s not someone I would say is “fat.”

170. Trek Nerd Central - August 3, 2011

#167. Good post.

It’s like the time I pulled an all-nighter in college (isn’t everything). The next morning a guy across the hall charged into my room, yelling, “Your typing kept me up all night!!!” I asked, “Why didn’t you tell me? I would have moved into the laundry room.” He had no reply.

That said, count me among the Shatner fans who wish this whole moot debate would just go away. He wasn’t in the last one, won’t be in the next one, end of story. Acceptance is the key to a happy life.

171. Trek Nerd Central - August 3, 2011

#170. I realize, of course, that I just aged myself with reference to a typewriter.

172. Horatio - August 3, 2011

Am I the only one that thinks that showing showing ‘The Captains’ in a cemetary is a little creepy????

173. rm10019 - August 3, 2011

I want to see Bill Shatner in 3D, is that too much to ask :) Seriously, boborci and the team have enough to worry about without all this sideshow stuff.

Here is to a great Trek 2 in 2014 or whenever it comes out!!!

174. Phil - August 3, 2011

@172. Not creepy at all. The local cemetary here had one of Riversides Fourth of July celebrations, including band and food.. People hung around and watched fireworks and grass fires on the local hillside. Forest Lawn in LA has weddings all the time.

175. Brett Campbell - August 3, 2011

171 — Give me a good old Smith-Corona or Underwood over a crappy Dell any day. At least they work and keep on working!

176. dmduncan - August 3, 2011

I LOVE typewriters! I think I can actually write faster with a typewriter than a computer because the computer has too many distractions to tempt me. Email. eBay. Trekmovie. Etc.

Plus, some of them are like works of art, i.e., Smith Corona Sterling (1940s-ish), Groma Kolibri, or the Olivetti Ico.

Sure, it sucks making typos, but for a first draft of anything where you are just trying to get the structure of something laid out and need to concentrate on writing and nothing else, a typewriter may make more sense for some people.

177. JP - August 3, 2011

I wish Shatner would gracefully step aside and put this thing to bed himself by stating he’s done playing Kirk. And then throw his support behind Chris Pine and say the role belongs to Chris now. To me that would be the honorable thing to do.

178. Boris - August 3, 2011

176 – you like retyping the whole thing from scratch in a computer?

179. Trek Nerd Central - August 3, 2011

#175, 176. I agree. I still have a couple of old typewriters lurking around the house, though I don’t use them any more (I should).

I still type as though I’m pounding on a manual, rat-a-tat-tat. I’m murder on keyboards!

180. red dead ryan - August 3, 2011

The typewriter is one of those things that represent a bygone era. Pulp detective novels were written with typewriters, so were movie scripts, and police reports. Plus there were the sounds of clicking and clacking. Sure, it was a bitch when it came to not being able to correct typos, but the typewriter had character. Many writers would spend hours and hours at a time on it, writing hundreds of pages of material because there was no hard drive or disk to save it on. Many writers back in the day considered their typewriter to be their best friend. You don’t hear that from writers today about their computers, even though computers are obviously superior in every which way. Today, working on a computer is very convenient, and is taken for granted. But decades ago, people really cherished their typewriters as they symbolized writing in those days.

181. P Technobabble - August 3, 2011

177.
A number of people would like to see Shatner or Abrams or SOMEONE put the whole “Shatner in next movie?” thing to bed. But it’s good publicity to keep it going. You might recall (depending on how old you are), there was a great hullabaloo over alleged “clues” the Beatles put on their album covers and in their recordings which pointed to the death of McCartney. This was obviously a ludicrous rumor, but while it was going on, someone — or it may have been McCartney, himself — told the Beatles, “Don’t say anything, this is great publicity.” And it was. Everybody was talking about it, sales of Beatle albums went up, there were magazines, books and even a tv program about the death of McCartney and the conspiracy to keep it a secret. I really think the whole Shatner thing never gets completely dismissed because it’s good publicity — especially for Shatner. As I said earlier, this sort of media attention is totally about that — getting our attention. And celebrities can be pretty good at playing the media. As long as no one comes out and says, “It’s official. Shatner, as Kirk, is done, finished, kaput,” we’ll keep getting this stuff. And we’ll keep yammering about it.

182. Boris - August 3, 2011

181 – Anthony can choose not to bring it up and yet he does. This is not reporting, it’s campaigning. I get the feeling he’s biased in favor of Shatner appearing in a future movie.

183. Christopher Roberts - August 3, 2011

169. Damian – “Some here want them to canonize Shatner’s novels. I am not a fan of that idea. I just started reading the Shatnerverse novels (I’m up to Avenger–I know I’m about 10 years behind on those) and at points they seem very gratuitous, like the whole universe is out to get Captain Kirk. I actually preferred the Crucible: Kirk book. Kirk still has to save the galaxy, but the whole universe does not seem to revolve around him there. It just seemed much more in character to me. I’ve also gotten used to the various relaunches of the different spin-offs and canonizing Shatner’s novels would jettison most of those stories, since they are separate from each other.”

Probably my fault, as I’ve recently been re-reading the Shatnerverse books and I haven’t got as far as Avenger yet. Can’t say that I remember it all that well, but I was a fan of the first two books. Yes, they have some continuity problems after all this time, and yes, they’re tailored to interest Bill by the Reeves-Stevenses.

What does impress me however, is how easy I’m able to visualise the stories. It’s surprising The Return never got made into a graphic novel like Ashes of Eden. It’s this style I think would make for a great animated movie or two. Not so much a series, more the odd feature-length animation based on the Shatnerverse novels. Sort of in the spirit of Warner/DC’s various Batman and other superhero efforts on DVD. Sort of Clone Wars in what are potentially lost entries in the film series. And the thing about animation is, like the Filmation 70′s Star Trek, it keeps it going and leaves the canon issue to the viewer. I mean despite what Roddenberry, Paramount, CBS did or do – fans basically pick and choose their own canon anyway.

The Ashes of Eden is a perfect first story to tackle in animation. While mostly set between VI and the Generations opening scenes, it’s framed at the beginning and end, with Spock visiting Kirk’s grave and Starfleet carving up the Enterprise’s saucer section – removing any evidence for Veridians to find. It also has that moment set during Kirk’s younger days going up against the Vampire Cloud from “Obsession”. I’d get Chris Pine to provide the voice for that part. Various TOS cast members back in their roles, with likely impersonators for Scotty and McCoy. It was done as a graphic novel and I loved that the villain was human and an old rival of Kirk’s. Pulling the Enterprise-A out of mothballs and having it go down fighting, IIRC against Excelsior and the rest of Starfleet.

The Return next, but more of an adaptation – throwing the odd change so leads into First Contact better. I like its mix of Kirk and Spock alongside a TNG crew who are split between differing new assignments after Generations. Plus there’s an appearance for Bashir & the DS9 station as a setting. The female Romulan with a grudge against Kirk, enough to go grave robbing and use him in her plan is a solid idea. Even the alliance with the Borg is interesting, going along with her aim – have Kirk conditioned enough to kill Picard. At this stage in TNG, they would want their one weakness – the knowledge he retained as Locutus, taken out. That’s a novel way to tantalise the Kirk v Picard crowd, even if it’s a showdown we’re ultimately deprived of. I’d probably rework this to feature the first appearance of the Enterprise E – rather than the Defiant-class ship that’s temporarily given the name toward the end. I’d continue to keep the Borg Queen out of this… as the book did. Written before First Contact reached the screen, she hadn’t even been thought of and I preferred the Borg back before she was around anyway. With their assimilation of a key person as mouthpiece, a Romulan called Vox in this case. It was also kind of cool to view the Borg’s attempted assimilation of Earth in First Contact, a direct retaliation for the destruction of the Central Node.

If it were possible, it would obviously be on trial. We’d be lucky to see even one animated movie greenlit by CBS. So getting around to Avenger might never happen. So if the first – Ashes of Eden didn’t meet with the kind of success they expect – ratings, DVD/Blu ray sales, downloads whatever – it would be a question of further rewrites to The Return to rush Kirk back to full heath by the end, alive and well in the 24th Century. Then consider it job done – two animated movies that redeem Generations, while not erasing it from history. The death of Kirk is something that ought to exorcised, since so many (even those involved in making it) regret. I don’t think there’s a better way than just putting the idea Shatner had himself on the screen, albeit in animation.

184. dmduncan - August 3, 2011

178. Boris – August 3, 2011

176 – you like retyping the whole thing from scratch in a computer?

***

Oh but it’s NOT from scratch. Transcribing is simple and takes little time. Actually getting the ideas down on paper the first time is the hard part. On the computer it takes longer for me to get a completed draft on paper because I spend so much time doing all kinds of other stuff on the computer!

185. Christopher Roberts - August 3, 2011

183 *correction* – Kirk back to full health (heath – typo)

186. DS9 IN PRIME TIME - August 3, 2011

I still think that scene with kirk would have been the greatest good bye for him. It would have made up for the bothched killing of kirk in Generations.

187. Christopher Roberts - August 3, 2011

169. Damian, re: Avenger. Having just looked ahead to that book, reading the story laid down on wiki… Yes, I’m afraid I agree with you. The plot seems very gratuitous and laboured to get to an end point. I definitely think reworking how The Return ends would be better… having Kirk & Picard somehow beamed out together when the Borg central node explodes.

188. GRAFF - August 3, 2011

I dont want to see a fat, overweight, red faced, bloated kirk.

189. Phil - August 3, 2011

@188. Come on now, you have been here often enough to know that he’s a big boned, muscular mass of mature manhood, capable of kicking the asses of Klingons half his age. Keep an eye on your mail box for your complimentary pair of rose colored glasses, Courtesy of the “WS in the Next Movie” fan club….

190. jamesingeneva - August 3, 2011

Here’s an idea, film the scene from ST2009 and throw it on a re-released directors cut with alternate versions at the end and watch the sales go through the roof from all the die hards :^) Absolutely no reason they couldn’t work it out.

191. Keachick (rose pinenut) - August 3, 2011

#182 I suspect Anthony brought up the issue with Shatner because the various polls taken on this issue here have shown people fairly evenly divided on whether Shatner should be in the next sequel or not. Slightly more people do not favour Shatner being in the next sequel, but the difference is only slight.

As I said previously, it is not up to us or Shatner – it is up to Paramount and the Bad Robot team. Now to find a pillow – yawning and nodding off again…

192. MJ - August 3, 2011

Why not just put the Shat-Kirk scene in the game that Orci is working on. They could probably increase the game sales significantly as all the Shataholics would buy a game that they would otherwise not get. And those of us who don’t want to see an embarrassing version of Kirk way past him prime can skip buying the game.

Everybody wins with this option!

193. dmduncan - August 3, 2011

190. jamesingeneva – August 3, 2011

Here’s an idea, film the scene from ST2009 and throw it on a re-released directors cut with alternate versions at the end and watch the sales go through the roof from all the die hards :^) Absolutely no reason they couldn’t work it out.

***

Yup. Keep on asking for it. Only it would be a “fan’s cut” not a “director’s cut.”

194. Tom - August 3, 2011

Hey why isn’t Bob Orci commenting on whether they might want to pitch this to Shat?

195. JP - August 3, 2011

@ 194: Hopefully at this point he knows better than to jump into this hornet’s nest…

196. Brett Campbell - August 3, 2011

176 — My beliefs exactly. My old manuals are THE best for writing first drafts of stories, and for all the reasons you mention.

Every episode of TOS was drafted on good ol’ typewriters!

197. Brett Campbell - August 3, 2011

176 — “I still type as though I’m pounding on a manual, rat-a-tat-tat. I’m murder on keyboards!”

LOL. I remember typing class in high school in 1974. They had us use manuals in the first marking period and then had us switch to electrics for the second one. Every time I typed “Brett” there were about four r’s and seven t’s.

198. Brett Campbell - August 3, 2011

I love the opening theme sequence to the old “Kolchak: The Night Stalker” series with Darren McGavin pounding away on his old desk top (and he always used to take his old portable with him in his yellow Mustang):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xfl0m6U8IE

199. Jack - August 3, 2011

181. It also gives this site something to post on slow Trek movie news weeks.

200. Jack - August 3, 2011

190. Yes, all 25,000 of us.

201. Trek Nerd Central - August 3, 2011

#197, etc.

I’m heartened to see all the old farts and luddites on this board. Have I mentioned I’m also a fan of dial telephones? Big black ones especially.

202. Harry Ballz - August 3, 2011

“Big black ones especially”

Oh, gawd, I hope he’s still talking about telephones!

203. Andy Patterson - August 3, 2011

@198

“I love the opening theme sequence to the old “Kolchak: The Night Stalker” series with Darren McGavin”

So do I. Great theme and great opening cello line. One of my favorites. Another example in my book of a good theme song making a show better than it was. Darren McGavin was fun.

204. P Technobabble - August 3, 2011

182.
A case could also be made that we don’t have to read the articles either. I, personally, don’t know how Anthony feels about the whole Shatner thing, so he may, or may not really care whether Shatner is in the movie or not. But I think he is reporting, just as he’s said right along. I think he is also entertaining us, in a sense. I’m saying this because coming to this website and participating with other Trek-people is a lot of fun for me, just as watching a tv show, or going to a movie can be fun — and entertaining. I don’t think the intention here is to present hard-core journalism in a cold, serious way. Yes, Anthony could choose not to run a particular article, but I don’t see why he would, or should. And we are really under no obligation to read an article we’re not interested in. It is like loving Star Trek, but changing the channel when that episode you don’t like comes on.
And, yet, here we all are in the “trekmovie talks to william shatner” room.

191.
I agree with you. Perhaps we’ll pop onto Trekmovie one morning and see the big headline: “Paramount Exec Says ‘No Shatner’.” Hmm. There’s something a little melancholy about that…

205. Trek Nerd Central - August 3, 2011

# 202.

I had a sick feeling someone would jump on me for that, and I wrote it anyway. Shoulda guessed it’d be you, Harry. . . .

206. MJ - August 3, 2011

@194 “Hey why isn’t Bob Orci commenting on whether they might want to pitch this to Shat?”

You may not have figured this out yet — Orci will have no problem telling you that our gov’t is killing people, the CIA had Kennedy taken out, we are responsible for Mexico’s problems, etc…but if you want any REALLY IMPORTANT news or opinions, such as on the Star Trek Sequel progress or Shatner, he disappears from these posts faster than a Takei at a Tea Party meeting. :-))

207. dmduncan - August 3, 2011

Not an old fart or a Luddite, but AM a fan of ingenius retro tech. Also, I realized that if there is something that retro tech does — anything at all — that new tech doesn’t precisely duplicate, then the retro tech is not obsolete.

The utility of retro tech is MAINTAINED in conditions where the new tech diverges from that unduplicated function or ability, and precisely that function or ability is strongly needed.

I found myself needing that ability.

208. Tom - August 3, 2011

#196 JP

He can handle it

209. Tom - August 3, 2011

#206

Right on the money. I figure if we can deal with all Bob’s soapbox issues, he can take care of this.

210. Brett Campbell - August 3, 2011

207 — Gotta love those computers in Terry Gilliam’s “Brazil” monitors but also with manual typewriter keyboards.

Ah hell, when it comes to computers, I AM a Luddite at heart (and an old fart!).

203 — Yes, one hell of a fun, cheesy old show. And Darren McGavin WAS great!

201 — I sure miss the sound of the ringing of those old phones. I also miss the old TVs that left a white dot at the center of the screen when you turned them off and the cathode ray was still firing.

Holy cow, I’m becoming a nostalgic old poop.

211. dmduncan - August 3, 2011

That old Night Stalker series with Darren McGavin is actually streaming on Netflix. A cool show. Didn’t they recently try to reboot that show for TV with Gabrielle Union and Stuart Townsend, and it failed?

212. PM1701 - August 3, 2011

Why not offer the part for one dollar Steve Jobbs style and see what happens?

213. Anthony Pascale - August 3, 2011

Curious how some have mind reading super powers, however I believe Shatner has not seen the scene and I confirmed this with one of his people.

MJ

Your opinions are not facts and you cant bully people with your factpinions even if they were

Final Warning

214. Brett Campbell - August 3, 2011

211 — Wish I had TV and Netflix just for “Night Stalker” alone. Someday I will buy the whole series on DVD. Sadly, it only lasted one season.

And yes, they did try to reboot the show sometime around the middle of the previous decade. I know it starred Townsend — I don’t know about Union. I only ever saw part of one episode. It did not hold even a birthday cake candle to the original, IMHO.

215. Anthony Pascale - August 3, 2011

dub,

yes the new TrekMovie.com mic flag rocks doesn’t it! And for all past complainers over camera shake, I am sure you all appreciate the new TrekMovie.com tripod!

216. dmduncan - August 3, 2011

214. Brett Campbell – August 3, 2011

Brett, you can also stream Netflix to your computer. It’s like $8 a month.

217. dmduncan - August 3, 2011

215. Anthony Pascale – August 3, 2011

Was almost like Panavision.

218. Keachick (rose pinenut) - August 3, 2011

There would be little point in showing Shatner the proposed scene (presumably that is the one Bob Orci wrote – the one with prime Kirk in a hologram?) if the decision had already been made by higher up not to include that scene in the movie.

219. Harry Ballz - August 3, 2011

205. Trek Nerd Central

Thank me, thank me very much! :>)

220. MJ - August 3, 2011

@213. Message received, Anthony. I am retiring from addressing Shat posts.

221. Brett Campbell - August 4, 2011

216 – Thank you, dmduncan!

222. Damian - August 4, 2011

187–The Ashes of Eden book was pretty good, and actually would not really conflict with the continuity established for other books all that much. The Return was ok, but I guess my problem is I just read it for the first time. I have already read David Mack’s Destiny series and kind of accepted that continuity on the Borg’s origins. The two stories really can’t be reconciled with one another. It’s an either/or problem at this point (including Avenger). I’m trying to read Shatner’s novels as an entirely separate universe, but I can’t help thinking about the already established timeline in the mainline Star Trek books.

I’m going to keep reading through Shatner’s novels (especially since we seem to be in a dry spell for the relaunches) and just keep reminding myself this is an alternate universe situation.

223. NuKirk - August 5, 2011

@3= idk… I think Abrams borderline canonized those novels…or elements thereof… only an alliance between the Romulans and The Borg like what was depicted in the early Shatner novels could account for the Romulans having so completely mastered Borg technology as to blend it into Nero’s ship the Narada, as was shown to have been done in the Countdown comic series, which JJ already stated as having been canon.

224. Andy Patterson - August 5, 2011

215

Yeah, I thought your mic logo was a cool touch too. You’re going to give Entertainment Tonight a run for it’s money.

225. BatOuttaHell - August 6, 2011

I’m going to go out on a limb here and ask… is the fuss about Shatner because it just doesn’t seem write to have Nimoy and Shatner appearing seperately, after the events in the movies 1 to 6? If these two are as close as that, how the hell does Spock get to survive after Kirk disappears and WTF about him not bothering to look for Kirk in the Anomaly? Is loyalty a one-way street? Kirk moved heaven and earth to get Spock back, but Spock just hangs around looking miserable without Kirk?

That’s what’s bugging the fans, guys. That’s what has got them worrying this issue around. A dog won’t bury a bone while it still has some meat on it. And ST XI didn’t finish the Kirk/Spock story. You know its wrong.

It’s not about the actors. Shatner has the brains to keep his mouth shut about it because he realises everyone has written themselves into a corner and as an actor he simply does not have the ability to do anything but sit back and wait for some smart writer to rescue the whole shamozzle, and of course he not going to say “no” in case someone with a few brains comes up with a really good ending to this story.

226. dmduncan - August 7, 2011

You know, Dino De Laurentiis faced this exact same problem when he killed off King Kong in the 1976 remake. So maybe it’s time to ask what would Dino do?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Kong_Lives

227. Baroner - August 7, 2011

We need Shat in this movie!!!!

228. Bob - August 9, 2011

Billy, it’s over. Get used to it. A new generation has taken over. They don’t need you anymore.

229. admiral jones - August 22, 2011

You’re all wrong. I think that shatner should be in the sequel. the film itself can be used as a flashback story with the younger kirk and crew while older kirk tells the story to a news reporter or someone. This has been done once before in an episode of deep space nine in the story the visitor. Which an older jake sisco tells of his younger days with his father captain ben sisco to a young college student.

Harrison Ford also did that in an episode of the young indiana jones Chronicles.-The mystery of the blues, telling his adventure back at nineteen years old in chicago meeting young eliot ness, young ernest hemming and al capone. it worked for them, it can work for older kirk-william shatner.

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