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JJ Abrams: Star Trek Sequel Going To Stand On Its Own + Announcement Within Month August 9, 2011

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Now that Paramount has officially delayed the Star Trek sequel fans are awaiting an announcement of a new date and if JJ Abrams will be directing. In a new interview the man himself says that the announcement will be within a month and he also says that they view the sequel as "starting over." Watch the video below

 

Abrams: announcement within month + sequel has to work as stand-alone film

At the TCA CBS promoting one of new fall show Person of Interest, Star Trek sequel producer (and possible director) JJ Abrams gave a Star Trek update to MTV.

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Transcript excerpts

JJ Abrams on status for the Star Trek sequel:

We met yesterday. We had a big endless meeting, it was great. I think we will have something to talk about really soon…Within the next month or so we will be able to tell you what is going on and when and all of that.

We are working really hard. This is all to make sure that everyone, cast, crew, and the audience isn’t disappointed by what we do. That is the only master we are serving.

Abrams on the biggest challenge for the sequel:

The odd thing about the first one is that it was already a sequel in a weird way. It was a reboot, but kind of not. I think the most important thing is that it doesn’t matter if you have seen the first one or not. It doesn’t matter what the first one was in a way. This has to be a movie that is going to stand on its own. You can’t assume everyone is going to love the characters because they are played by great actors or they might have seen the first film. It is really about starting over and at the same time, but at the same time you want to make sure that you hold on to those things that worked in the first one. So it is the obvious stuff

 

 

Comments

1. Matt K - August 9, 2011

Looking forward to the announcements. I have a feeling that the movie will be worth the wait.

2. Steve T. in NY - August 9, 2011

Starting over? Didnt we do that with the last film?? Idk.. I hope this isnt just drawn out because they figure if we wait long enough.. we’ll all be crazy to go opening weekend and their numbers will be high.. I know.. i am being cynical.. Just I have hopes that the movie will be good and we will see a return of Star Trek to TV. Where it really belongs..

3. New Trekkie - August 9, 2011

I like the idea of the movie being able to stand alone in this sense: Pirates of the Caribbean 2 sort of left you hanging in such a way that you didn’t feel like you had enough closure unless you immediately put in the third one. I don’t want the Star Trek sequel to do that (although I’m all for a third one to make a nice trilogy).

The only thing that might be a little bit tricky to ignore is the fact that Vulcan no longer exists…..

But I trust JJ and the rest of the group. Can’t wait to hear details!

4. SoonerDave - August 9, 2011

I realize this was probably nothing more than a non-comment comment, but things like this make me wonder how much, if anything, they really have nailed down for this project. I’m just scared they’re going to end up running back to a “big” TOS villain like the Klingons or the Romulans and have a Federation war, which IMHO would be such a cheat.

Oh, well, ’tis what it is, or will be what it will be, I suppose.

5. Jeyl - August 9, 2011

Well, there goes any point in playing the new game for it’s “bridge between movie” moments.

6. C Mosenko - August 9, 2011

I liked the original movies Star Trek 2 and 3 were connected. Star Trek 4 was some what connected and the rest were on their own. I would like to see the new universe dealing with the loss of vulcan. Losing a major ally would have major consequences. The klingons may seize this opportunity, the Romulans might form an alliancewith the klingons. During the cold war if Nato lost one of its allies to a future alternate time line angry soviet with some kind of super weapon. It would change everything. So the next one hopefully will be related in some way. Don’t forget about how the loss of vulcan would change everything.

7. jas_montreal - August 9, 2011

I wanna bet with everyone on this msg-board that the sequel will take place 10 years after the events of the first movie ;)

8. Jeyl - August 9, 2011

I don’t know how I feel about “starting over” every time they do a sequel routine. Doesn’t that kind of cheat the audience into a false sense of progress where if something drastic happens in the story, it will somehow work out and everything will be back to the way it was so the sequel won’t have to pay it any attention? Is this their attempt to avoid giving Star Trek a history? I’ve read a lot of articles on this site where Leonard Nimoy and Ron D. Moore both say that history for Star Trek is a very bad thing.

9. Pizza - August 9, 2011

I have to stop reading all this non news, it just frustrates me.

We making another trek movie.
We’re hard at work.
We’re waiting for JJ
We’re hard at work.
We have a date.
We’re hard at work.
We’re waiting for JJ
We’re hard at work
We’ve been delayed.
We’re hard at work.
We’re waiting for JJ
We’re hard at work
To make an announce in a month.

Since I doubt they’ve been hard at work since Trek 2009.
Read all the above lines removing “We’re hard at work”

10. Pizza - August 9, 2011

No kidding the movie will be all on it’s own.
All those who liked the first one will be dead by the time the next one comes out and will have to do a reboot again.

11. C Mosenko - August 9, 2011

There might be new instability within the federation. I want to see a crazy lord garth going to seek some revenge on the romulans. Now kirk has to save the romulans from a crazy lord garth’s fleet. That would be a cool story line.

12. Hugh Hoyland - August 9, 2011

If its set 10 years after the original isnt that like around Star Trek 5 or 6 or later? TMP was 2 years after the first 5 year run. 2-4 happened a couple years after that? I dunno never was good at math.

13. Hugh Hoyland - August 9, 2011

This M/U timeline stuff has me all messed up dang it lol

14. Mazzer - August 9, 2011

Confusing, thread-bare story aimed at teenage boys… awkward double-Spock… a brewery as engineering… Scotty’s stupid pet… Yes! I hope JJ is right that the second film stands alone and distances itself from the first one as much as possible. That’s the most hopeful thing I’ve heard.

15. SoonerDave - August 9, 2011

@6 Agreed, I’ve thought of the same thing myself – it would seem a natural place for the Romulans to ally with the Klingons with the “vacuum of leadership” created by the Abramsplosion of Vulcan.

Just seems a giant leap to just a Star Wars shoot-em-up….or, I guess, you could write an incredibly rich story arc that would tie in roughly in the way Spock’s outreach to Romulan did in TNG, but that would only appeal to core Trek fans, not so much the outside world…

16. Brett Campbell - August 9, 2011

14 — LOL and agreed!

17. No One Khan Hear You - August 9, 2011

Delays happen constantly with movies, but usually no one ever hears about it because the writers/producers/directors of most movies don’t care enough to consistently make that known to the public. Star Trek fans are finally lucky enough to have that dialogue with the movie runners. Yes, delays suck, but they suck less than obviously rushed movies.

18. Starfleet's Finest - August 9, 2011

OH BOY!! An announcment of making announcment!! Now that may sound sarcastic, but I’m totally serious!! Any progress is good progress in my book; I haven’t lost faith yet. I’m just happy to hear that they are still moving forward no matter how slow people might preceive it to be. Think of it this way, they could just scrap the whole thing and then where would we be? Yes, I know that is HIGHLY unlikely, but wouldn’t that suck?!

I hope they don’t stray too far from what they established in the previous movie becuase I think they were off to a really good start! I understand that they want each of these movies to stand on it’s own but I hope they revisit some of the issues brought up in the previous movies if nothing else than just satisfying curiosity…I’ll just keep my fingers crossed!

19. Bob - August 9, 2011

What a mess. If it’s not any better than the first movie then count me out.

20. Hugh Hoyland - August 9, 2011

Bob Orci for crying out loud why dont you direct it? :]

21. Jason - August 9, 2011

I think what he means by “starting over” is that there wouldn’t be one of those sequels where if you didn’t see the last you’re screwed kinda deals. Sure there will be elements from the last movie like the new timeline and (probably) the rebuilding of the Vulcan civilization. We’re not going to be hearing anymore from Nero or any of that kind of stuff. So basic references to the last one but no major plot points left overs.

As for the announcement, I’m predicting a birthday present (so around Labor Day weekend) from Mr. Abrams where he announces he’s directing with a release date of November 21, 2012.

22. Shannon Nutt - August 9, 2011

“Starting Over” and “Stand Alone” don’t mean the same thing…I think what JJ is saying is that the movie needs to have it’s own identity…it can’t ONLY be seen as a sequel. Again, very much like what Nolan did with THE DARK KNIGHT…which is very much a “stand alone” movie.

23. red dead ryan - August 9, 2011

Another interview about nothing!

“Within the next month or so we will be able to tell you what is going on and when and all of that.”

Didn’t you say that last month? And the month before that?

Here’s an idea: Work on the script and stop with the no-news interviews. Once you’ve done the script, then make your announcements.

I get the sense that the script isn’t going so well. They must be either having problems with coming up with a plot, or had to start over.

At this rate, they’re not going to make it for summer 2013!

24. Craiger - August 9, 2011

I think what JJ is saying its not going to be a story arc like they had during Season 3 of Enterprise which is what some fans think doomed the series because if you missed a couple of episodes of Season 3 you wouldn’t know what was going on.

25. Hugh Hoyland - August 9, 2011

#22

Im thinking along those same lines. This is going to be Star Treks “Dark Night”. Not literal of course, but a stand alone story.

Not really tied into the first story much.

Sounds cool to me.

Come on 2024! I wanna see what these guys come up with. :]

26. Trekboi - August 9, 2011

it has to stand alone anyway thanks to all the delays it has lost all momentum from the first film

so dissapointing

27. Desstruxion - August 9, 2011

They must be having a tough time convincing Lucas to let them use Darth Vader as the villain.

28. Commander Thor - August 9, 2011

So let me get this straight. The “big news” is that JJ is
rebooting the reboot.

29. Trek Nerd Central - August 9, 2011

Good grief, there are some cranky people on this board!

A stand-alone story is a GOOD THING. It means the film can attract a non-geek audience — and by “non-geek” I mean anyone who hasn’t seen any of the several gazillion incarnations of Trek, including the last one.

Also, I’m not sure why everyone complains about the filmmakers’ apparent insistence on spouting non-news. They’re only answering the questions being asked of them. And Anthony’s only doing the job we ask of him, i.e., feeding our lust for All Things Trek with a constant stream of updates big and small.

So stop whining, or leave and head to some other nerdy gathering place!

30. Trek Nerd Central - August 9, 2011

Also, I’m still waiting for my JJ bobblehead.

31. Commander Thor - August 9, 2011

Guys (and gals) I have to be honest with you. I’ve been a Star Trek fan for a long time, but I have not seen the 2009 movie yet.

There are just so many other great movies out there to see. I would like to get back into Trek when JJ releases the next one. So I hope that it’s something original and not just a replay of stuff we’ve seen before.

Please, no Kahn, Soren, Borg, Whale Probe, etc. Don’t just copy an old script from TOS and put in the new guys.

32. I'm Dead Jim - August 9, 2011

@27 & 11 How about Lord Garth Vader, huh? Get it in the script before JJ signs off on it!

33. Buzz Cagney - August 9, 2011

Oh man just get on with it!

34. You Know Me - August 9, 2011

Hey look, another reboot.

35. Craiger - August 9, 2011

I could see the sequel like #6 suggests.

36. CmdrR - August 9, 2011

Captain’s Log, Stardate 2741.8. JJ A-Brahms has announced that, owing to his very long life, he will finally be able to complete his second entertainment micro-tape entitled Star Trek: Something Something. I find it odd that he has labored for three centuries to create what is now a historical drama. Fortunately, Mr. Scott and Mr. Spock have tied in the warp engines and dilithium matrix to filter out the annoying lens flares. A-Brahms, who also goes by da Vinci, Solomon, Alexander, Lazarus, Methuselah, Merlin, Spielberg, insists he did not lose any time while making the side-project ‘The Thing That Ate My AMC Pacer, 3-D.’

37. Andrew - August 9, 2011

@29 Agreed, a film that can stand on its own is all Abrams is suggesting, and it makes sense.

38. Holger - August 9, 2011

Is JJ hinting that he’s re-rebooting after one film? Just like the Hulk movie? Well, why not.

39. N - August 9, 2011

@38 I doubt they’d reboot, there’s no reason to and it would be a bad idea to set up a universe just to retcon it…

I think the story shouldn’t be laboured by the first film, like First Contact wasn’t obsessed about the destruction of the Enterprise-D.

Also JJ should cameo as a Vorta :P

40. pilotfred - August 9, 2011

to be honest i cant see it hapending untill 2013 so i am accepting that and any quicker is a bonus

i am disapointed film get delayed but twice if you recall we should have seen this by now

stand alone movie how can jj say that they have set so much up in the first film and if they are only going to be three how many story will not be wrap up

fans knock berman however at least he had the good sence to have an ending ok they may not have been all that good however an ending

41. Alec - August 9, 2011

Good. Each film has to stand on its own. Something like the Genesis trilogy, as really good as it was, is designed for fans above all others: the mainstream might not have seen the first one or have forgotten what happened without having any desire to buy the DVD…

Now that Trek is striving for full mainstream appeal, they have to see each film as an enclosed story. Star Trek isn’t yet like LOTR or Star Wars, where the audience for the sequels is pretty much assured.

Let’s start afresh. Forget Budgineering. Forget the Spock/Uhura whatever that was. Forget the soundtrack. Do better.

42. Richard Daystrom - August 9, 2011

Nothing to see here. Move along now.

43. Jack - August 9, 2011

“It doesn’t matter what the first one was in a way. This has to be a movie that is going to stand on its own. You can’t assume everyone is going to love the characters because they are played by great actors or they might have seen the first film. It is really about starting over and at the same time, but at the same time you want to make sure that you hold on to those things that worked in the first one. So it is the obvious stuff”

Makes sense to me.

41. Although I wonder whether it would still mean visual consistency with the last one. And. am I the only person who liked that score?

PS I wonder if Trek movie staff is purposely stirring things up with misleading headlines. Starting over, taken out of context, makes it sound like a reboot, which is not what the rest of the quote says.. This happens quite a bit here.

44. Michael Hall - August 9, 2011

“It is really about starting over”

That’s the best news I’ve heard on the Star Trek front since May, 2009.

45. Jack - August 9, 2011

Oops. It wasn’t in the headline. But I still say it was misleading.

46. DS9 IN PRIME TIME - August 9, 2011

Boborci

Do you have anything to add to what JJ said?

47. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - August 9, 2011

Bob Orci. If J.J does not Direct then you should,

48. Silvereyes - August 9, 2011

To all the whiners: You’re standing with your nose against the tree. Step back and look at the forest goddammit!

49. Chadwick - August 9, 2011

Niiiiiiiiiiiice! That is exactly what I want to hear from JJ. More details by next month and a film that stands on it own, perfect, can’t wait!

50. Chadwick - August 9, 2011

@ 7. jas_montreal I say 5 years.

51. Chadwick - August 9, 2011

9. Pizza – August 9, 2011 I agree with you in that all this non news news is frustrating, I do not agree with you that JJ, Alex, and Bob are not working hard on Star Trek. In regards to creating ideas, writing story and script, I bet they (Alex & Bob) have been busting their balls.

And besides, their marketing tactics for the 2009 film were clever, we have no idea of which information or how much of it they are withholding. They could be farther ahead than we are led to believe.

52. Chadwick - August 9, 2011

@ 11. C Mosenko Yes! I like that idea.

@ 12. Hugh Hoyland go google a Star Trek timeline! Why would you count 10 years after TMP? The 2009 movie is almost a full 10 years before the Enterprises historic 5 year mission with Kirk.

If this movie take place 10 years after the 2009 film, it will put them more or less into the TOS mission. I say 5 years max, probably 3.

@15. SoonerDave Been watching trek since I was 4 when TNG started. I have been waiting for some shoot em up Star Trek. I play Star Trek games, go to conventions, and know lines off by heart I am a core fan, and not all of us wanted to be prodded along like sheep with the same old same old. Something different, something new within Star Trek is exciting and welcomed. Yes it needs a strong story but some shoot em up was a relief, a breath exhaled with a “finally” after it.

53. Christopher Roberts - August 9, 2011

Hopefully just spin for MTV’s benefit. I thought the film was successful enough, and therefore memorable enough to allow events to be built upon. Star Trek worked best when it had story strands continuing from movie to movie, and episode to episode. Even after years. Star Trek VI using the death of Kirk’s son as motivation for instance.

Yes, you’ve got to be able to drop your average viewer into a new adventure and not have them work hard to understand it. But Star Trek is a living, breathing universe that has a past that feeds into whatever action takes place in the present.

54. Chadwick - August 9, 2011

@ 17. No One Khan Hear You. Well said, we are lucky to have Bob, Alex, and JJ do so many interviews and take questions about Trek when they could simply say no. Not to mention the interaction with Bob on this site.

@ 21. Jason Bingo, that’s exactly what it means, the simple fact that if you did not see the 2009 movie it will not deter any enjoyment out of the next one by not knowing the story line. If a sequel can stand on its own without the need to suckle on previous movie so much the better.

55. Dee - lvs moon' surface - August 9, 2011

HMMMM … LOL …I like Pizza!!! …

…OK JJAbrams I’m waiting …

:-) :-)

56. Mel - August 9, 2011

I am not against a stand alone movie, but the first movie shouldn’t be completely ignored.

There should be a mention about the fate of the surviving Vulcans. It would be enough to say, that their new colony world is flourishing.

The sequel shouldn’t ignore the negative consequences of Vulcan’s destruction completely. The Federation is weaker. Humans may be in a more powerful internal position now. That may anger Andorians, Tellarites and other member races. There must be some internal political problems and power struggles. One of the most powerful member races is nearly gone. There must be changes in how the Federation politics work.

And there should some kind of comment about Kirk’s high rank despite his young age. Maybe an older envious commander can say to Kirk, that he only got his Captain rank, because he was lucky and not because he really worked for it for years and derserved it. Or an Admiral who was against the promotion could say, that he lacks the experience for a mission. I just hope there is something like this.

57. Chadwick - August 9, 2011

53. Christopher Roberts Yes! ST VI and the death of Kirks son as motivation. For me, Star Trek VI was a far better story than Khan, VI is my favorite movie. The story was just so strong, it had such meaning, such heart. The deception and collusion elements of the story have never been replicated with such tact a second time, only Star Trek VI. The conspiracy plot with Federation, Romulan, and Klingon’s was solid.

58. Chadwick - August 9, 2011

@ 31. Commander Thor
As a long time trek fan myself, I started watching when I was 4 and TNG began, so I grew up with TNG from day one and TOS reruns. I have a delta shield tattooed on my chest. All I can say is I loved the new movie. It was the first time I was speechless coming out of a movie theatre. When I see Batman or other cool movies, its always the “yea, that was sick!” or the “Oh the part where he did this and then BAM!’ there was none of that, I was just in awe of what I had seen. OK some parts I would have done different, regardless it was fantastic!

59. Chadwick - August 9, 2011

To further on what JJ meant (though we have anaylzed it to death by now) is just like the four films in the TNG movie series are all technically sequels to one another, they have nothing to do with their previous counterparts. They are able to be sequels yet be completely unique individual movies without needing to see the one before it. That is one of the characteristics of the TNG movie series, and if that is how JJ and crew want to proceed, that is fine with this trek fan.

60. Chadwick - August 9, 2011

To further on what JJ meant (though we have analyzed it to death by now) is just like the four films in the TNG movie series are all technically sequels to one another, yet they have nothing to do with their previous counterparts. They are able to be sequels yet completely unique individual movies without the need to see the one before it. That is one of the characteristics of the TNG movie series, and if that is how JJ and crew want to proceed, that is fine with this trek fan.

61. Keachick (rose pinenut) - August 9, 2011

JJ Abrams – “You can’t assume everyone is going to love the characters because they are played by great actors or they might have seen the first film.”

I am not sure if I should be bothered by this statement or not. Is he talking about the main characters – Kirk, Spock, McCoy et al or some new character who may not be (at all) likeable but who is played by a great actor? Surely, one of the reasons for Star Trek, in particular TOS, continues to be so popular is because people like the main characters. They were/are goodhearted, intelligent, well intentioned people going about their business, embracing all life (if at all possible) and so on.

There is no reason why this next movie should not be a stand alone movie. That does not necessarily mean that major events of the previous movie cannot be referenced like the destruction of Vulcan. That cannot be ignored in this alternate Star Trek universe, but it does not have to form the basis of the story. In fact, I hope it does not, but remains a side-issue, only really affecting Spock to a greater or lesser degree.

This is about “Space, the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise, its mission to explore strange new worlds, seek out new life, new civilizations. To boldly go where no one has gone before!”

Resettling refugees, providing relief and security for these people is hardly doing the above. The Enterprise may initially use one of its cargo bays to ferry supplies to new Vulcan, but after that, Kirk and Enterprise should get back to the proper mission – exploration. Other sections of Starfleet and members of the Federation would/should be engaged in helping surviving Vulcans resettle, not the Enterprise.

BTW – Note: Nowhere in the entire article above and, in particular, the transcription of the words spoken by JJ Abrams was there a mention of Star Wars or any of the characters or situations pertaining to that franchise. Why are people here referring to that movie series? You are on the wrong site. Duh!

62. AJ - August 9, 2011

I just had a ‘ST09 + all-supplemental-materials BR disc evening’ (highly recommended for those lonely nights in the basement), and I have renewed my faith in JJ and the SC to get “#2″ out the door with a high degree of quality.

Whatever real reasons may have led to the delay will become known in time. I don’t believe that a major studio would displace a potential shoe-in half-billion worldwide grosser with GI-JOE as wistfully as Paramount seemingly did with Trek unless there was a good reason to do so.

And, the delay will cost Paramount dearly in terms of re-introducing a product which was already re-introduced in 2009. Lots of cash down the drain. The best interim step would be to get the now-luke-warm concept of an animated series out ASAP.

Anxiously awaiting developments……

63. Chadwick - August 9, 2011

Whoops sorry for the double post, Anthony (or other) delete #59 (the first of the double.)

I just crave the unexpected, and that is what the 2009 movie brought to the table. The TNG movie series prodded along in a predictable fashion, it was business as usual nothing exciting.

It was announced a reboot was being made, I had no idea what to expect. I watch the epic trailers, had a slight idea of what to expect. Questions were answered but even more questions arose, that is what I loved about the reboot. So………what comes next?

64. I am not Herbert - August 9, 2011

they had BETTER start over…

that last one SUCKED! =(

65. Chadwick - August 9, 2011

When they mentioned certain things they kept out of the first movie or ideas set aside for the second I really hope that means Klingons. I want to see the rebooted, re imagined Klingons.

66. MC1701B - August 9, 2011

8. Leonard Nimoy and RDM both hated Gene Roddenberry, the man without whom they would not have careers. So of course they resent the “history” of Star Trek, which explains their “creative” decisions to kill Kirk and the Enterprise (once each).

The slight fact that canon and a relatively consistent history are the only things that separate Star Trek from Lost in Space or Battlestar Galactica apparently never occurred to either of them. Or, that being creative while havng outside constraints is the sign of a truly gifted artist.

67. Bruce Banner - August 9, 2011

I just hope Kirk, Spock, and McCoy occasionally (to get away from the stress of running the ship) go down to Engineering and have a nice cold Budweiser……….in the new film.

68. OneBuckFilms - August 9, 2011

I love how everyone has opinions, while having nothing concrete upon which to base them.

Let’s see what they come up with, then judge the result. :)

69. trekologist - August 9, 2011

Oh man, the “starting over” part scares me. There is too much “starting over” in trek, and not enough continuity. I hope that this story is good, and that they fix the awful Engineering sets on the new enterprise. They can start by removing the “asbestos free” stickers from the Engineering room….

70. N - August 9, 2011

@70 up until now the continuity is fine, probably the strongest in any franchise, XI is easily a sequel. As has been said TNG film style new adventure is the perfect way to continue. I think that’s what starting over meant, XI didn’t end on a cliffhanger after all.

They’re not stupid enough to reboot it, have faith.

71. Celeste - August 9, 2011

The keywords here are “Next month or so” To me that could mean anytime before the holidays…

72. Aashlee - August 9, 2011

29. Trek Nerd Central – August 9, 2011
“Good grief, there are some cranky people on this board!”

48. Silvereyes – August 9, 2011
“To all the whiners: You’re standing with your nose against the tree. Step back and look at the forest goddammit!”

68. OneBuckFilms – August 9, 2011
“I love how everyone has opinions, while having nothing concrete upon which to base them. … Let’s see what they come up with, then judge the result. :)”

@ 29, 48, and 68: Amen, Amen, AMEN!!!

73. Joshua - August 9, 2011

I’m glad that JJ has finally admitted that the first one was a disaster and that they need to reboot the reboot. They can easily get out of their messes by having the first movie simply to have been a pom farr fever dream. Starting fresh will be welcome.

74. Rusty0918 - August 9, 2011

“Starting over” could mean anything.

Maybe they’re trying to figure out the story still. I don’t really know.

#64 – Well, not to the mainstream media it didn’t. I don’t think it really sucked, but it sure wasn’t some flawless piece of art that Variety, etc. made it out to be.

They could use the same “strategies” to churn out something on the level of “Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen” and yet it will receive critical praise like “The Dark Knight.” Heck, I could see this happening. At this point, I could believe just about anything. They’ll run the propaganda machine at full blast like the last time.

75. Rusty0918 - August 9, 2011

#72 – Yeah, there are too many who complain.

#73 – Uh, like I told 64, I doubt they will ever believe the last movie as a disaster. I mean, let’s face it. It got like 94% on the Top Critics in the Tomatometer, not to mention it’s still among the Top 250 films in IMDb, even with its flaws.

They’ll probably go all Michael Bay on the sequel and make it like “Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen” (vapor-thin plot, unnecessary vile and crude humor, racially and sexually offensive, etc.). And the irony of it all, critics will praise it as being on par with or better than “The Dark Knight,” maybe even encouraging fans of the movie to spill the blood of anyone who questions it.

76. Barb - August 9, 2011

As the discussion above clearly shows, JJ Abrams talked without expressing any ideas. Sort of like his many TV shows and his own movies. Was he saying merely than that the movie had to be one which you did not have to already know Trek to enjoy, or was he saying he would not follow the rules he himself set up in the first film? I suggest this is not clear, and that he did not intend it to be clear. We can count on J. J. Abrams to do his best.

His Star Trek was a remake of the original Star Wars with Trek characters. We know he really loves Star Wars, so I’m thinking… how do you remake The Empire Strikes Back as a Star Trek film? Who winds up frozen in a black block? Spock? Sulu? Kirk? At least we know how the third film will end (if there is a third film?) James T. Kirk… I am your father…

For real fresh Trek, I’m going to keep watching Star Trek Fan Films. I enjoy Intrepid, New Voyages episodes, Exeter, Osiris, Farragut, Metrensky Incident, Stone Trek, Multiverse Crisis, Of Gods and Men, recent releases from The Further Adventures of Star Trek Unity, and most of the series produced by Hidden Frontier more than JJA Trek… there are others I liked better that I’m not thinking of at this moment. But I do get my fix of fresh Trek… it just happens to come from the garden of Trekkie delights!

77. Allen Williams - August 9, 2011

Cowboys & Aliens proves that the 2009 team doesn’t need JJ. They even have the same production designer (the name cought my eye in the opening credits and that doesn’t’ happen often). Also notice that Cowboys & Aliens had NO lens flares, and the space ship wasn’t powered by beer.

78. Cygnus-X1 - August 9, 2011

There’s an important point that’s been largely left out of all of the complaints about the sequel coming so long after ST’09 (which is also, incidentally, left out of the complaints about the complaints): Many of us had serious doubts about the first movie when we saw the resumes of the people who were making it. We had doubts that the people responsible for Regarding Henry, Felicity, Alias, MI3, Transformers and so on were the right people to be taking over the Star Trek franchise. Some of the doubters never gave the reboot a chance, but most of us did and, I think, were pleasantly surprised when the film exceeded our low expectations.

However, many of us still found substantial flaws in the movie, one of which was its superficiality and relative shallowness which were justified as necessary in order to bring new fans into the franchise and strengthen its viewership. The initial reboot would be a primer to introduce the characters and setting—the Star Trek Universe—to new fans, many of whom would be largely or entirely unfamiliar with any past Trek. The sequel, we were told, would “go deeper;” and finally, in the sequel, we would have a proper Trek film that harkened back to the best episodes and films of Trekdom.

So, really, those of us who were not entirely satisfied by the first film will have been waiting (assuming the sequel is released in Summer 2013) 6 – 7 years for our TWOK-TOS-TNG-lovers Trek film — a Trekkie’s Trek film.

And that’s a pretty long time to wait for anything. It is, in fact, a substantial chunk of a person’s life. So it should come as no surprise when people who have already been waiting 6 years for the goods to finally be delivered in 2012 complain of Abrams’ delaying the new film, now that he’s got the Trek franchise in the bag. And I believe the appropriate colloquial expression for how such people are feeling is:

Sh*t or get off the pot, JJ.

79. MJ - August 9, 2011

Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah. Agreed — JJ: sh*t or get off the pot. I am growing fatigued with the meaningless sound bites.

Memo to JJ: I frankly wish you and the rest of the Supreme Court would just Shut the F Up until you have something concrete to say on the sequel.

80. MJ - August 9, 2011

@77 “Cowboys & Aliens proves that the 2009 team doesn’t need JJ.”

Huh, this disappointing movie that is bombing worldwide exactly proves the opposite of what I think you are tying to say here???

81. Vultan - August 9, 2011

#77

Judging from the lackluster reviews and box office, I don’t think many would consider “Cowboys and Aliens” a great success.

82. MJ - August 9, 2011

@71 “The keywords here are “Next month or so” To me that could mean anytime before the holidays…”

Yes, I mean a few weeks back the Supreme Court guys were saying in month, which would have been mid-August. Now JJ is saying September. So, as usual, they are following behind AGAIN……

These guys are perhaps the greatest procrastinators in the history of franchise sf. Don’t be surprised if we don’t get this official announcement until late fall.

83. Vultan - August 9, 2011

Yeah, what MJ said. ;)

84. Chingatchgook - August 9, 2011

I’m kind of disappointed by the ongoing delays and stalling that is going on. Paramount is stalling on the movie, CBS seems indifferent to a new TV series, sheesh.

I’m already a fan of Star Trek: Phoenix, I might have to check out Mr Cawley’s production also. Fan productions might be the only way I’m going to get my Trek fix.

85. Keachick (rose pinenut) - August 9, 2011

I think the more we complain, the more we get JJ Abrams’ back up and the more he exerts this silly stubborn, apparently indecisive attitude. Sometimes I wonder if he is someone who says to himself – “I’m my own man (true). I do things my way because I am THE MAN. I won’t be rushed or pushed by anyone.” (irrespective of how many difficulties this behaviour may cause others)

Well, I guess this attitude may be working for him now, but I don’t like to think what his future may hold. He may find that after a while, Paramount and others may be very pleased to see the back of him gone far, far, far away…

Yes, I was expecting a proper announcement this month (August 2011) from both JJ Abrams and Paramount. It seems that neither appear to be able to keep their word and keep to their own deadline. I HATE what seems to be rather dishonest and deceitful behaviour.

Prove to me that I am wrong in my assessment, although right now, I am not holding my breath.

I AM DEPRESSED, AGAIN! Damn you!

86. eyore - August 9, 2011

Unfortunately, to me this says they may be struggling with the script. It always seems to me that when things are drawn out., when you have delays and moved opening dates, it usually is not good.
I hate to be gloomy, but it sounds as if they are struggling here with what to do. I hope this is not the beginning of the reboot fizzle.
And sorry, but this “Supreme Court” stuff is silly nonsense. They need to abandon that terminology.

87. dmduncan - August 9, 2011

Obviously what he meant was that the sequel would NOT need an aluminum walker with two tennis balls on the front legs. Which will lead to some fans shaking their fists as it swooshes past them and grumbling that it’s a no good young whippersnapper of a movie.

88. Canon Schmanon - August 9, 2011

Blah blah blah blah, blahbitty blahbitty blah blah blah. Wake me up when you guys finally decide to begin making a Star Trek movie.

89. trekker 5 - August 9, 2011

Thanks for that JJ! Within the month!! Yay!! :) (In a pigs eye!!)

90. C Mosenko - August 9, 2011

There have been occasions where I have seen a part 2 or part 3 first which has made me go and find the first one. Actually thinking about it, star trek movies are a prime example. When I was about 6 or 7 I was all about star wars. My dad put in star trek 2, I liked it so I put in star trek 3. I loved it, and put in the first one. I like movies that have influene on the next movie. If someone goes to see transformers 3 perhaps they will go buy or rent the first 2 to put it all together. Maybe the sequel does not need to be the next day or the next month, even if it’s years later the destruction of Vulcan it will have a long term effect on star fleet. All you have to do is wow people and if they don’t get it they can go see the first one later. Create a universe create new rules and work with the new universe. Lord of the rings is a great example of a multiple movie/book story line. Write a great story if you can’t fit it into one movie, make two and everyone is happy.

91. Punkspocker - August 9, 2011

I just want a great film. Dissapointed they have not givenTrek the love and respect it has brought them. It seems the actors are much more gracious than the filmmakers.

92. Jack - August 9, 2011

80. ;)

And 79: Well, they get asked the darned question (just like Shatner got asked about his feelings about not being in the sequel dozens of, or more, times) a heck of a lot… and this blog breathlessly reports on every little crumb out there (and I know, they gotta put somethig on here).

And, generally. I’m glad they’re working on one at a time — I still can’t think of any sequels filmed either back to back or at the same time that worked well (not including movies from a single source split into two or more parts, or movies from a book series [although, were the Lord of the Rings movies filmed at the same time? Wasn’t there a bit of a break?]). Again, the Matrix and Back to the Future sequels remind me of how badly this can go wrong. And, gosh, I’ve recently watched both versions of Superman II, and while Donner’s is a lot better, it’s still not great — and a lot of that was, I think, filmed at the same time, no?

85. I suspect that we have much of an impact at all, despite Bob’s visits. But I do think the “these new guys suck and its going to bomb!” attitude that seems to prevail here isn’t that helpful.

93. Jack - August 9, 2011

78. Wait, how’s it seven years? From the time the first one was announced?

94. somethoughts - August 9, 2011

#80

C&A has not been released worldwide yet :) it isnt doing well in domestic box offices. C&A may break even at box offices and profit via dvd and blu ray.

95. Devon - August 9, 2011

What’s funny is most of any of the bitter responses here have nothing to do with anything and don’t reflect well on those particular posters (MJ, Joshua, Barbara, etc.) Keep it up kiddos!

96. Keachick (rose pinenut) - August 9, 2011

I think the Lord of the Rings were filmed back to back over a five year period, with some breaks, I’m sure. Both Hobbit films are being done the same way. However, these movies are based on books, so the story is already known.

At the moment, some of the Hobbit filming has ceased until about September. It is our winter here, so location filming right now could be fraught. Curiously, winter seemed to come late this year, with the weather and temperatures being relatively mild for the time of the year. Some North and South Island ski field operators were worried about the lack of snow affecting the ski season and tourist numbers. Within a week of the temporary cessation of the Hobbit filming, both islands experienced a winter freeze and there is now plenty of snow on the ski fields…

97. Devon - August 9, 2011

#79 – “Memo to JJ: I frankly wish you and the rest of the Supreme Court would just Shut the F Up until you have something concrete to say on the sequel.”

Yeah! What MJ said. So if the press comes up to and ASKS YOU A SPECIFIC QUESTION regarding the sequel, don’t answer them, just stare at them in silence. Yeah, that’s the ticket!

98. MJ - August 9, 2011

@97. Yes, exactly, although not as silly as you make it out to be. Just say, “were working on it and don’t have anything new to add at this time.” Don’t mention any dates you can’t meet or anything about the story or script, period, becuase their is no credibility left in anything they say on those issues, and I think even they must now realize that.

99. MJ - August 9, 2011

@96 “What’s funny is most of any of the bitter responses here have nothing to do with anything and don’t reflect well on those particular posters (MJ, Joshua, Barbara, etc.) Keep it up kiddos!”

Take potshots at people if you makes you feel better, but I will mention that several months ago I was only one of a few people who saw the writing on the role on these delays and lack of progress, and I was pretty much lambasted by everyone for my posts, which were simply based assessing the facts of what had been said by the Supreme Court versus the reality of the lack of progress being made. Then about 1.5 months ago, as the continued lack of progress and confusing info from the Supreme Court, about 50% of the posters agreed with my positions on the continued delay. Now, here we are today, with JJ pushing the director decision back ANOTHER month, and guess what — it looks like about 75% of the posters on these and other boards today are agreeing with me.

It started as a lonely position for me, but I was right on top of this issue way back when it was unpopular. Basically, “I told you so,” and now a large majority here agree in general with my posts on this topic.

100. Devon - August 9, 2011

#98 – “becuase their is no credibility left in anything they say on those issues,”

Then don’t read or comment on their interviews.

#99 – “Take potshots at people if you makes you feel better”

That’s all you’ve been doing, repeatedly, on this issue that “no longer has credibility.”

“it looks like about 75% of the posters on these and other boards today are agreeing with me.”

Without merit of course. In fact a lot of the comments on this thread are without merit nor have nothing to do with anything.

Again, no one here is changing anything or has any power to do anything regarding the release date… the complaints are useless now.

101. chrisfawkes.com - August 9, 2011

It must be pretty frustrating to take on something as cool as Star Trek only to find out life for you now means you can’t so much as fart without some trekkie jumping out of the Bush asking for news.

102. DeShonn Steinblatt - August 9, 2011

It’s good to see Paramount getting serious about ditching the fan base and pursuing a more desirable demographic. Stand-alone movies are the way to go.

103. red dead ryan - August 9, 2011

Well, I’ve been saying for the past six months or so that the sequel will be pushed back to summer 2013. Because in that time frame, Bob Orci has admitted several times that the outline wasn’t finished. Go back to last year and he had said it would be handed in to Paramount in December. That was 9 months ago!

They’ve only recently finished the outline and have only begun on the script. Filming is set to start in January, however, I remain full of doubt. Even if it were to happen, Dec. 2012 isn’t that far away. Everybody would have to rush, and there wouldn’t be enough time to properly market the film overseas. And there wouldn’t be much in the way of merchandise.

So I have felt for awhile now that summer 2013 is the new date. But I wouldn’t be surprised to see the film pushed back further.

However, I’m going to stick to my summer 2013 prediction. I think these guys will get it done. Whether the movie is good, bad or mediocre remains to be seen, of course.

104. MJ - August 9, 2011

@100 “That’s all you’ve been doing, repeatedly, on this issue that “no longer has credibility.”

No credibility. Come on, you are the one straining all credibility here. We are two years and 3 months past the last movie and still don’t have a director, a script or a green light? How can you possibly defend your assertion that this issue has no credibility? I think I speak for most of us here that this is in fact the predominant issue of interest to Trek fans right now.

“Without merit of course. In fact a lot of the comments on this thread are without merit nor have nothing to do with anything.”

Ah, I see, because you don’t agree with it, is has no merit? Wow, how arbitrary, and also how convenient for you to use that tactic here. I guess if I had a weaker leg to stand on here, I might be tempted to use an argument like that, but fortunately I have the facts of what the Supreme Court has said over the past 1.5 years to base my position on — I don’t need to fall to any backup crutch argument like “you are without merit” to prove my position.

105. Green-Blooded-Bastard - August 9, 2011

Every single one of you knows no matter what happens, no matter what they say, come opening at midnight, you will all be on line at your local theaters and will get one hell of a movie.

Keep the faith.

106. MJ - August 9, 2011

@105. Yep!

107. D in Aurora - August 9, 2011

You know what…I’m so sick of hearing “Oh God…it’s been SOOOO long since the last movie came out.”

I’m going to shatter your little dreams here…Star Trek isn’t a right….it doesn’t have to be made at all.

You’re lucky there even is a new Star Trek movie in the works, by all rights, it should never have made it past the 2nd Season waaaay back in 67.

2013…4 years after Trek (09) came out…that’s not a long time. 4 years is nothing in the span of an average human life. My son turned 5 today and I went, “Holy crap, where is the time going?”

Instead of griping, why don’t you for a moment realize how grateful you are that you have this entertainment to obsess over, instead of it just being another old TV show that some folks vaguely remember…you know, that one with the thing and that doohickey in it.

108. Charla - August 9, 2011

To anyone affiliated with the making of the next movie, please don’t come in here! Don’t even look! Sorry you had to see this!! *facepalm*

I’m really embarrassed by some of these comments. Opinions and freedom of speech are great, but can’t they be said in a tactful, decent manner?

We are all looking forward to the next movie, but facts are facts and the fact that there will be delays needs to be accepted. And as the adults we all are, wouldn’t it be better to behave in an adult manner?

So, while it’s not exactly what we fans want to hear, let’s not be too quick to bite the hand that feeds us. At this point they could (and rightfully so) not say a word to anyone about it after hearing all the hateful remarks and personal attacks towards them.

Let’s buck up and show some respect like we should ok?

My apologies to Bob, since he is (and maybe WAS) considerate enough to have come here and participated with us.

There’s my two cents and it may not count to anyone but there it is.

109. Keachick (rose pinenut) - August 9, 2011

MJ – Perhaps it is “I told you so” inference that irks some people. It is not that your interpretation of what the “Supreme Court” has or rather has not been saying could be wrong, it was the fact that you could not see other possible interpretations of what seemed to be happening. You were reading into comments that were simply not there and that is what I found irksome.

Once we reach June 2013 and waiting in line to see the Star Trek sequel premier, hindsight will show that perhaps MJ and red dead ryan and others had been right all along, but until then… well, nobody knows for sure at this point and that is what everyone finds so exasperating and frustrating.

The problem is that Paramount and Bad Robot have been caught on the hop dropping the ball. They need to pick up the ball and start running with it, BIG TIME.

Besides Pine, Quinto and Urban need to be put their paces as our favourite Trek characters, Kirk, Spock and Bones McCoy.
“Do it. Do it. Do it. Now, now, now!”

110. Just My Two Cents - August 9, 2011

I’m not saying a word of complaint about another impending announcement. Instead I decided to take the time, go back through Trekmovie’s archives, and let the Powers That Be’s own words speak for themselves. All of the following is from here at Trekmovie. Feel free to cut and paste it as a reminder the next time an announcement is said to be forthcoming.

November 16, 2009 –
JJ Abrams: “I believe the next Star Trek film will be in 2012.”

November 20, 2009 –
Roberto Orci: “ (We) will be having preliminary conversations on all the areas we are gravitating towards, then meditate over Christmas and hit the ground running in the new year.”

January 11, 2010 –
Paramount formally announces the sequel’s release date will be on June 29, 2012.

January 15, 2010 –
Damon Lindelof: “We’re going to start probably in April once the writing on Lost is done. Trek will come out in 2012 some point, so we’ve still got a little bit of time, but we’ve been talking about it. We just haven’t been writing.”

January 24, 2010 –
Roberto Orci: (They) “have an area” (they are) “talking about” (for the Star Trek sequel, and the) “opinions are starting to form”

March 5, 2010 –
JJ Abrams: “We are at the beginning stages and a script does not exist yet so it’s hard to know.”

June 14, 2010 –
Roberto Orci: (Team plans to turn in) “a pretty good draft” (of sequel script by Christmas)

June 26, 2010 –
Roberto Orci: “We have a story, and the next phase is to get together and try to destroy it.”

July 5, 2010 –
Bryan Burk: “We will be shooting this time next year. Starting early summer or late spring.”

July 23, 2010 –
Roberto Orci & Alex Kurtzman: (they are) “making significant progress on the story.”

October 12, 2010 –
Roberto Orci: confirms to Trekmovie that sciptwork has begun with Alex Kurtzman, “fingers have been put to keyboard”.

October 16, 2010 –
Damon Lindelof: “It is going, it is progressing. We are putting a lot of pressure on ourselves for it to be awesome.”

November 8, 2010 –
JJ Abrams: “We are working on it now. The script is being sort of fully outlined and then the writers will start working on the script. But, the story is really cool!”

December 10, 2010 –
JJ Abrams: “We don’t have a script yet and it is being worked out so it is too early to talk about what it might be, because it hasn’t happened yet.”

January 14, 2011 –
JJ Abrams: (the script) “is being written by very smart people. I look forward to reading it.”

February 10, 2011 –
Roberto Orci posts on Trekmovie comments: “writing Trek as we speak!”

February 12, 2011 –
Roberto Orci tweets “aiming to first full draft of Star Trek in six weeks or so.”

February 21, 2011 –
Damon Lindelof tweets “Orci and I holed up in a hotel room, boldly going. And yes, I know how that sounds, you perverts.”
Roberto Orci also tweets “Whoever spots me or Damon in the hotel bar while we r writing gets last name into ‘name a character after you’ sweepstakes.”

March 2, 2011 –
JJ Abrams: (regarding that Star Trek sequel script currently being wrapped up by Damon Lindelof and Roberto Orci) “I can’t wait to check it out very shortly”.

March 29, 2011 –
JJ Abrams: “”We’re working on the story. That’s probably more important than the release date at this point, but at the moment, we’re not going to change anything.”

April 2, 2011 –
Roberto Orci: “We’re in the middle of writing it and hopefully we’ll be shooting in a few months.”

April 16, 2011 –
Roberto Orci: “We are still working on [script] iterations. We have enough stuff that we are able to start a little bit of a soft prep. We can have designers working on stuff. There are things we know for sure we want to do. But in terms of the script and the dialog, that is something we continue to hammer out.”

May 1, 2011 –
Damon Lindelof: “Yes. We’re in the midst of writing the script and we’re looking forward to making it.”

May 6, 2011 –
JJ Abrams: “Now that ‘Super 8′ is drawing to a close in terms of this post schedule, I’m looking forward to jumping in and hopefully getting that ready as soon as possible.”

May 21, 2011 –
JJ Abrams: “We are working hard on that [Star Trek sequel] script and – finger’s crossed – we are going to be able to make an announcement on that soon.”

May 22, 2011 –
Roberto Orci: “Just been waiting for JJ to be free to really decide if he likes the story and hear his suggestions before we finish the script. Once he says go, we’ll have it in no time. Meanwhile, our outline is detailed enough (70+ pages!) to do some prep :)”

June 5, 2011 –
JJ Abrams: “The writers are hard at work on it, and I am excited about getting back to it.”

June 6, 2011 –
JJ Abrams: “We are still working on story. Some super cool stuff — but I won’t be able to make a decision on directing until we have our script and I know what I’m being asked to direct.”

June 10, 2011 –
“We’re working on that right now. I hope to have some information soon. I would hope [to direct], but we’ll see. No decisions [have been made] yet, but I look forward to having the answer soon.”

June 11, 2011 –
Damon Lindelof: “As of right now there is kind of a 75 or 80 page half script/half…I don’t know what it is.”

June 15, 2011 –
JJ Abrams: “I’m working with Bob Orci, and Damon Lindelof and Alex Kurtzman on the script. They’ve go some amazing stuff and hopefully we’ll have something to talk about soon. “

July 22, 2011 –
Damon Lindelof: (Are you putting pen to paper for Star Trek 2 yet?) “Fingers to keyboard.”
(asked But are actual script pages getting written?) “It is definitely starting, continuing.”

July 22, 2011 –
Roberto Orci: “I think JJ is resting as a result of Super 8, but I think we are going to announce very soon now when things are going to happen.”

July 25, 2011 –
Damon Lindelof: “JJ is finished with Super 8, we have plunged into Star Trek 2 hard core.”

July 28, 2011 –
JJ Abrams: “What works, in the feature world and television, is something that has real staying power. We’re working hard on that, making the kind of headway that frankly I wish we were able to make months ago.”

August 9, 2011 –
JJ Abrams: “We met yesterday. We had a big endless meeting, it was great. I think we will have something to talk about really soon…Within the next month or so we will be able to tell you what is going on and when and all of that.”

111. Keachick (rose pinenut) - August 9, 2011

#102 How is Paramount ditching the fanbase by doing stand-alone movies? Most of the TOS and the spin-off TV series were stand-alone episodes.

Having movies or a TV series end with cliff-hangers can be real pains. I prefer that the movie has some closure – beginning, middle, end. It does not mean that aspects of the story cannot be brought up in subsequent series or films and expanded upon, if desired.

112. Vultan - August 9, 2011

Let’s have faith in Abrams, folks!

He made movies about Brockway, Ogdenville, and North Haverbrook, and by-gum that put them on the map!

;)

113. MJ - August 9, 2011

@107 “I’m going to shatter your little dreams here…Star Trek isn’t a right….it doesn’t have to be made at all.”

Look, for you Devon and others that aren’t bothered with the continued delays, fine, we get it. By why the need to belittle people with stuff like:

“your little dreams here.”

“(MJ, Joshua, Barbara, etc.) Keep it up kiddos!”

Why not instead provide some well thought out information or opinions?

114. MJ - August 9, 2011

@110 — Just My Two Cents

— The best and most informative post I have ever read on these boards. Much appreciated and thanks for what must have been several hours of your time.

Case closed folks — the record speaks for itself, and it is not pretty here. I know the Supreme Court guys mean well, but this proves they are the Keystone Cops of movie planning and production.

115. Charles Pratt Jr. - August 9, 2011

I love Star Trek! Even though I’ve enjoyed TNG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise, I’ve always carried a particular flame for TOS. To me, THAT’S STAR TREK.I felt like my Star Trek faded into the sunset after the release of Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. Oh sure, the novels kept coming and more sporadically, the comics…but it seemed like TOS was dying. My enjoyment as a fan certainly was. It seemed to me like there was nothing new on the horizon to look forward to with my favorite crew.
Fast forward to 2009-the release of STAR TREK was a huge event for me as a trek fan. The idea of recasting Trek and simply continuing the voyages of Kirk, Spock, McCoy and company was an idea I had long hoped would happen and it did. So, the movie comes out-its a success and a good movie-I’m ecstatic! Trek is back! My enthusiasm is back at 120%! I’m totally ready to embrace this new Trek and dive in! It’s new, its exciting-the slate has been sort of/kind of wiped clean. Imagine all of the new adventures we’re gonna have! And then……NOTHING!! NOOOOOTHING!!!!
Did I mention NOTHING??!!!
No continuing new universe comics (although I understand one is on the way).
No new universe novels…
and now maybe a couple more years before a new movie!
Damn!! Talk about getting all dressed up with no where to go!
If we’re gonna reboot Trek, which we did, then let’s go for god’s sakes!
Its very frustrating.
No

116. Devon - August 9, 2011

#113 – “Look, for you Devon and others that aren’t bothered with the continued delays, fine, ”

Because there are more important things in life to be concerned with for us and we also have a little more sense to know that we are not going to change anything. In fact this article suggested nothing about “continued delays.” So the fact it’s being brought up suggests that a few of you are a little too obsessed with this subject and purposely beating a tired horse on it. Yes it’s delayed, so what? Go on with your life.

117. MJ - August 9, 2011

@115. Agreed, and especially I don’t get why JJ, Orci and company have sequestered those 4 new universe ST novels that were already completed, and have put the stops on any new novels since them in the new universe. I mean, if you are going to only put out movies only every or 5 years, then you certainly should not be restricting novels, which aren’t even canon….that is inexcusable.

118. MJ - August 9, 2011

@116. “Because there are more important things in life to be concerned with for us and we also have a little more sense to know that we are not going to change anything. In fact this article suggested nothing about “continued delays.” So the fact it’s being brought up suggests that a few of you are a little too obsessed with this subject and purposely beating a tired horse on it. Yes it’s delayed, so what? Go on with your life.”

Well all you seem to be offering is that you don’t like this topic and you don’t like what I am saying? At least I have a topic. You are just against something. :-)

Plus you keep posting yourself over and over on this non-topic of being against this topic and our posts, so isn’t that much worse than those of us who really care about the sequel delays? :-)

119. Devon - August 9, 2011

“No continuing new universe comics (although I understand one is on the way).
No new universe novels…”

There are several of these things mentioned, plus the new comic books on the way, plus the new game that’s been testing extremely well coming next year.

120. Charles Pratt Jr. - August 9, 2011

Well, it’s about time, don’t ya think?

121. Charles Pratt Jr. - August 9, 2011

I forgot about the video game that’s debuting next year! That does indeed look mighty AWESOME! I am most excited for that!

122. Khan was Framed! - August 9, 2011

Wow!

My idiot boss is the only other person I know of who talks this much, yet says this little.

Hey JJ, do yourself & everyone else a favour & shut up until you have something relevant to say, the constant stalls & vague teaser comments are just pissing everyone off now.

This is almost as bad as an episode of Lost.

123. Devon - August 9, 2011

“@115. Agreed, and especially I don’t get why JJ, Orci and company have sequestered those 4 new universe ST novels that were already completed”

>>>http://trekmovie.com/2010/01/14/pocket-books-holding-off-on-star-trek-movie-tie-ins-4-novels-pulled-from-summer-2010/

“”and have put the stops on any new novels since them in the new universe.”””

They haven’t. The “Starfleet Academy” series just released its third book in late June.

“”then you certainly should not be restricting novels, which aren’t even canon….that is inexcusable.””

Which they aren’t. See my post at 110.

124. Cygnus-X1 - August 9, 2011

93. Jack – August 9, 2011

—-78. Wait, how’s it seven years? From the time the first one was announced?—-

Right, from the time that JJ signed the deal with Paramount that included the first Trek film, which is when this site was launched. I’ve been following along and commenting here, though not as much at first, since the beginning of 2007, but some were here before me, obviously. I’d been following along with eager anticipation for a year, as we were all told that the ST reboot would be released Christmas ’08, when it was pushed back to Summer 2009. And so on….

125. MJ - August 9, 2011

@123. All Star Trek new universe novels (not the teen novels academy series) have been on-hold since 2009 — why do you think you never see any. This is a story I have been on top of since 2009. Please see:

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Unpublished_prose

126. Basement Blogger - August 9, 2011

@ 99 MJ, @ 100 Devon

Let me say again that MJ is a staunch defender of the Supreme Court. He and I have argued strongly over some topics. So when MJ states his grievances over the delays, he has a degree of credibility. And frankly, it’s okay he repeats his complaints. That’s because not everyone has read his opinions and it’s relevant to this thread.

MJ is a fan like all of us. Fans are the customers of Star Trek. Remember what the fans did to New Coke. Their displeasure or complaints got Coke to bring back the classic formula and New Coke went the way of the dodo.

127. Devon - August 9, 2011

“@123. All Star Trek new universe novels (not the teen novels academy series)”

Those are new universe novels.

128. Devon - August 9, 2011

“””””Let me say again that MJ is a staunch defender of the Supreme Court. And frankly, it’s okay he repeats his complaints. That’s because not everyone has read his opinions and it’s relevant to this thread.”””””

That’s their problem for not going back and researching threads, which by some of the misinformation that gets spread here a lot is pretty evident. So in this case, you’re saying we should all repeat themselves unnecessarily in every single article, even if those comments are irrational, just so that we can be sure we have full coverage of TrekMovie’s readers?

“”””MJ is a fan like all of us. Fans are the customers of Star Trek. Remember what the fans did to New Coke. Their displeasure or complaints got Coke to bring back the classic formula and New Coke went the way of the dodo.””””

So, if enough people complain irrationally they will undo the delay that’s already been done? I mean what are they suppose to undo here? They’re already working on the film, there’s nothing to complain about.

129. Basement Blogger - August 10, 2011

There should be an hour long show which would announce the date of Star Trek 2013 and the director. It should be hosted by LeBron James and aired on ESPN. Then at the end of the show, there could be smoke on a dark stage. Lebron announces the director of Star Trek, 2013. From the center of the stage, a platform rises up. This is accompanied by Strauss’ “Also Sprach Zarathustra” (music to 2001) The director is standing on the platorm. James makes the announcement we’ve all been waiting for, then a spotlight simultaneously shines a ray on the director. James says,

“Trekkers, the wait is over. Star Trek 2013 will come out in…. 2014. But don’t hold us to that date. We do have a director, The director for the next Star Trek movie whenever it comes out will be Uwe Boll.”

I keeed. I keeed.

130. MJ - August 10, 2011

@127. I’ll say it again, the new academy novels are intended for teenagerss. Was I not clear in my earlier post — I thought we covered that already? All we have are a couple teen novels, a game, and some comics…sorry, but that is not cuttting it. I want some adult Trek novels, and they are sequestering 4, and no doubt we could have a dozen or more out by now if the Supreme Court would stop their policy of not allowing stories in the new universe.

@128. “That’s their problem for not going back and researching threads…”

You are badly mistaken. Again, that is the entire point of our arguments is that we have been the ones paying attention to what has been said by the Supreme Court. See post 110 for the best example of this — I have been paraphrasing these points in post 110 since last March. In your zest to “take it to me” here perhaps you may have been negligent in actually reading the facts in my posts?

@128 “So, if enough people complain irrationally they will undo the delay that’s already been done?”

Of course not — who is saying that? This is your thesis, not mine. Just like as you keep complaining irrationally about my posts, I’m not going to go back and undo them. :-)

Do you have anything positive to offer here other than just complaining about my positions. Could it possible be that you are just as bad a complainer as I on these boards? :-)

131. Keachick (rose pinenut) - August 10, 2011

My post #85 is my frustrated side venting and wondering just what these guys at Bad Robot are on about at times.

Post #110 shows me that perhaps it is Paramount who may holding up things. They are knocking back story lines. That does not necessarily mean that the writing was bad, just not the story the studio wanted to commit resources to, so back to the drawing board the writers went. It would appear that in February, Paramount said OK (this was something that Bob Orci commented on… don’t remember which thread). This could be why Paramount appears to be allowing JJ and co. more time to get the movie done.

I just hope the studio does not pressure the film makers to make a Transformers or Harry Potter style movie. I hope they will allow Star Trek to be, well, Star Trek!

132. Basement Blogger - August 10, 2011

@ 130 MJ

MJ, I went over post 110. And I remember a lot of the stuff that the Supreme Court has said. Wow. I would say there were a bunch of misstatements.

133. Basement Blogger - August 10, 2011

@ 128

Devon, (@ 128) you certainly have every right to disagree with your fellow Trekkers but I’ve noticed that basically you like criticizing the protesters. I mean that’s the gist of all of your posts. Say nothing original but just needle the protesters. And calling them irrational has now stepped into the ad hominem attack territory. I’ve met trolls on this website. So I ask Devon, are you a troll ?

134. somethoughts - August 10, 2011

#131

We should be so lucky to get a transformers or harry potter style film.

Just look at the box offices, are we trekker, trekkies that dilusional? No wonder insurrection goy made and fans like keachick loved it? :) think big!

135. somethoughts - August 10, 2011

#110

Reminds me of all the new years resolution of quiting smoking or losing weight etc, all talk!

At this point by the time 2013 comes around the movie better be bigger and better than avatar, dark knight and t2!

Paitently awaiting directing decision and teaser trailer…

136. somethoughts - August 10, 2011

I get the feeling it goes something like this;

JJ: script done fellas?

Bob, alex, damon: waiting for you to announce if u gonna direct n finish up super8 then we can all write this puppy

jj: nothing yet eh?

Bob, alex and damon: we waiting for u bro hurry

jj: super8 did ok, have some time now, hows script

Bob, alex and damon: got tied up with tv stuff and c&a

jj: guys paramount gonna pwn us

Bob, alex and damon: we brainstorming, wicked outline

jj: outline wtf? Khan? Thought we decided….

Bob, alex and damon: its like dark knight check it out boss

jj: god, i cant direct this

Bob, alex and damon: dammit, how bout those big headed guys

jj: paramount called and said we got till 2013

Bob, alex and damon: sweet, im gonna mack on internet hotties

jj: no script yet eh? We need to announce something soon

Bob, alex and damon: go for it man, we have till jan 2012, dont sweat it

137. Keachick (rose pinenut) - August 10, 2011

The Harry Potter films got very dark in style and content. They are good films nevertheless. People did not like the Transformers 2 film, in particular. I also found that there were too many warring scenes which were overly long and very loud and did not add much to the story. It is these aspects that I don’t want to see much of in the next Star Trek movie.

Anyway, on thinking big, space is big, the Enterprise is big…

Hopefully the film makers will be able to get hold of some of the Hubble pictures and be able to use some of those images in the next movie in order to show scenes that are truly epic, grand, awesome… and then there could be planets with amazing landscapes and lifeforms…

I have my own visual image of the Menosian planetary system, a class M planet like Earth, but with differences. Then there are the Nuli, an intelligent, sentient life, which are as numerous (if not more so) as the humanoid population. Some of the Nuli are also capable of varying amounts of outer space travel. They happily carry the people who have a desire to explore as much as they do with the menosians supplementing and augmenting the Nuli’s natural capabilities with some of their own technologies, thus making space travel safer, more comfortable and more informative.

(This is a world I created in my own story 10 years ago. Later, after seeing Star Trek 2009, I recreated my world where I had Kirk and the Enterprise discover this world…)

I actually enjoyed a lot of the Insurrection movie. It embraced an ability to know the beauty of being able to experience eternity in a moment…It had its fun moments also.

138. somethoughts - August 10, 2011

#137

I liked insurrection if it was a 2part episode, not as a movie.
It just came across as lazy movie making and another example of rick berman being a bean counter.

139. Just My Two Cents - August 10, 2011

Thanks MJ, Devon, and others. I appreciate the kind words on my post.

#114: “— The best and most informative post I have ever read on these boards. Much appreciated and thanks for what must have been several hours of your time.”

That’s very kind, thank you.

My main inspiration was this latest statement by Abrams. Instead of voicing my frustration at this and getting shot down by naysayers, I opted to take the time to dig in, do research, and just let the writers/producers/and JJ’s words say it for me. There’s only so many times you can hear “we’ve got the story/we’re writing the script/we haven’t started the script/we’re halfway through the script/wthin the next month we’ll have an announcement for you.”

140. Janice - August 10, 2011

So—some news in about a month–maybe?

I’ll ignore my disappointment until i hear one way or the other if my favourite character–Pike–is there. If he is then I’ll be behind this movie 100%.

I hope they have a release date of summer 2013 because I now I think they’ll need that extra time.

141. greenappleman7 - August 10, 2011

Something darker!

142. Mel - August 10, 2011

@ 110. Just My Two Cents

Great work! I may really copy it in the future. ;-)

@ Devon and MJ

I agree with MJ in regards to the Star Trek books. I am much more interested in the new universe books, which play AFTER the movie. The academy novels are only prequels to the movie and none of them play on the Enterprise.

143. Jorg Sacul - August 10, 2011

I’ll have to disagree with one of the previous commentators. Star Trek IS mine. It came into my home, when I was very young, and I embraced it. I fell in love with it. I financed it (in my small way). I made it a part of my world.

Don’t tell me good Star Trek isn’t a right. Dammit, good Star Trek is the Prime Directive. Those that think they can get away with “good enough” will be airlocked by the fans.

144. dmduncan - August 10, 2011

Bob O, JJ, Damon — take your time, bros. You are not Frankenstein, and nobody is coming to storm your castle.

Patient folks tend not to bitch which is why you don’t hear from them as much.

And the majority of fans are probably patient because a very few number of all the fans who visit are posting complaints. As AP said, most people who visit don’t post anything. So most visitors aren’t as upset enough to post as the groaners are; don’t let the distorted priorities of some loud Trek affect you too much.

145. n1701ncc - August 10, 2011

ok so lets think now who will be the next villian or villians

My vote is still Harry Mudd, but an evil Mudd very much Heath Ledger or

our friends from Talos IV. I figure with all the mind altering or time shifting things that could be done you might be able to have Shatner come back as Kirk in some sort of dream sequence induced by the big heads.

Oh by the way JJ can we get two lines throw in for laughs… An ” Oh my” from Sulu and “beam me up Scotty there is no intelligient life down here” from Kirk

146. dmduncan - August 10, 2011

144: loud Trek = loud Trek fans

147. MJ - August 10, 2011

@144. I will add that Frankenstein was rather a rather punctual monster..he certainly was not a procrastinator!

BTW, simply wishing that the majority of fans have a completely contrary opinion to the large majority now on these boards that believe the sequel planning has been delayed enough already won’t make that true. Those of us with these opinions at least can count heads here on these boards to get some imperfect quantitative measure of the significant support for our position on this issue. Contrarily, for your argument, it is a matter of faith and conjecture only, since you have not even the tiniest imperfect quantitative measure to back up what you are saying here.

148. Dee - lvs moon' surface - August 10, 2011

#110. Just My Two Cents …

Yes and I’ve been here all these moments… OMG!!!! …

What did not work?… if the fans, media were all waiting for the sequel in 2012??

“And the alien might with sharp tooth is very different from Kirk shirtless” …definitely! …LOL

:-) :-)

149. sean - August 10, 2011

Of course he’s giving the same answer, it’s not as though everything changed in a week. Between blogs and news sites you’re going to see a lot of repetition, because they all ask the same exact questions. It’s not JJ rushing to make non-announcements, it’s just news outlets recycling the same damn interviews over and over.

Not including TrekMovie in that assessment, by the way. :)

150. Josh - August 10, 2011

By the time the next movie hits theaters their 5 year mission will be over. They should be able to retrofit the new enterprise to TMP hyprid specifications and make all kinds of changes. Hopefully, the writers realize this. They can do anything with the project, a direct sequel wouldn’t even work at this point. I wish the writers would flush out the political and organizational structure of the Federation in the next movie to give the film more realism. Something should mention the progress on New Vulcan, if only briefly. This aspect is always under developed in the movies and the series. It would be interesting if the new movie has a complex political/intergallatic relations plot with many components. The ST 2009 had a thin plot. Best of luck to the writers.

151. dmduncan - August 10, 2011

147. MJ – August 10, 2011

“BTW, simply wishing that the majority of fans have a completely contrary opinion to the large majority now on these boards that believe the sequel planning has been delayed”

I assume by “sequel planning has been delayed” you mean that the sequel has been delayed?

Yeah, the sequel has been delayed. And probably the sequel planning too! Snore. There was even a story about it. So I think that PROBABLY our opinions have hardened on the matter of its delayment. And what do you know! I even have the link right here:

http://trekmovie.com/2011/07/28/paramount-officially-moves-gi-joe-2-into-star-trek-sequel-summer-2012-spot-no-new-trek-date-yet/

“Those of us with these opinions at least can count heads here on these boards to get some imperfect quantitative measure of the significant support for our position on this issue.”

LOL! You talk nothing but smack. How many heads did you count, MJ? What were the results of your “quantitative measure”? And WHAT, do tell, were you even measuring because I haven’t got a clue what you are even talking about?

Given that we all know the sequel is delayed, surely it CAN’T be that which you were wasting your time exhaustively measuring — or, maybe, wasting time establishing the established like you just made a brilliant discovery is fun for you.

I dunno.

152. somethoughts - August 10, 2011

Im starting to think, if they go with one writer that would be best, one vision, one singular theme and kick ass movie like dark side of the moon.

There is no muddling and no rewrites and delays.

Too many chefs in the kitchen imo

153. Keachick (rose pinenut) - August 10, 2011

“Dark Side of the Moon” was an album by the band Pink Floyd released in the 1970’s. Amazing record.

154. Battle-scarred Sciatica - August 10, 2011

@ 153

aaaaah my Kiwi sister you have just shown your age by calling the Pink Floyd Album a record!

I had it as record too……..and an eight track…….

The winter snap was fun wasn’t it?

:)

155. Andrews - August 10, 2011

110 —

Awesome. I salute you.

156. Keachick (rose pinenut) - August 10, 2011

#154 Yep, especially down your way in Dunedin. There was a day a couple or so weeks back when the weather man was predicting a dusting of snow on Auckland’s Waitakere Ranges. It *NEVER snows in Auckland except once in 1976, it snowed in Papakura, South Auckland. Geez – Was it cold!

Was 1976 also the year Pink Floyd released Dark Side of the Moon? Can’t remember. 1976 was the year Queen released Bohemian Rhapsody!

Oh crap. I must be showing my age, because they don’t make music like the above anymore. I still have some vinyl but nothing to play it on…:(

* That’s because there is ALWAYS an exception to the NEVER rule…:)

157. dmduncan - August 10, 2011

I’ll bet money that they had an initial idea, they did some work on it, and then abandoned it. THAT’S the kind of stuff I want to know. I want to know some of the behind the scene making-of details. I want to know the current history of Star Trek, and if they can’t give us story details why can’t they at least share some details about the actual things that are making it take so long? Specific details about the process if not about the story.

Come on guys. Have you learned nothing from the uber-secretive Bush and Obama administrations?

158. Just My Two Cents - August 10, 2011

Thanks Mel, Dee – lvs moon’ surface, and Andrews. I appreciate the kind words. :)

159. Hugh Hoyland - August 10, 2011

#157 dmduncan

You know I thinking the exact same thing. They had something, went with it for a bit, then for reasons unknown to us, shelved it.

Maybe they even had to start from scratch again?

I would very much like to know these kind of things to. Not the “we got to take forever to make it good” thing. The real behind the scenes scoop! Maybe even some story details.

At this point I dont see how it could hurt anything.

160. Devon - August 10, 2011

#130 – “”””I’ll say it again, the new academy novels are intended for teenagerss. Was I not clear in my earlier post —””””

This is your exact quote: “and have put the stops on any new novels since them in the new universe.”

It doesn’t matter after the fact who they are geared toward.

#133 – No.

#139 – I said nothing about your post.

161. K-7 - August 10, 2011

151 – DM Duncan

Mr. Duncan, your response to MJ pretty much proves his point in that you offered no evidence whatsoever to support your silly claim that the complainers here are not representative of Trek fans at large. LOL

160 – Devon

Of course it matters if Pocketbooks is not being allowed to release adult Trek novels. You may enjoy the kiddie novels and comics, but most of us want something more substantial — real adult Trek novels set in the new universe. MJ is 100% correct on this one.

157 – DM Duncan

Now you are complaining about not getting the details about what the Supreme Court is doing. Reminds me of MJ. Might the term “hypocrite” perhaps be applicable here? LOL

162. jim kirk - August 11, 2011

so I guess that it means in the new movie, we won’t see more romance for spock uhura, rebirth of vulcan civilization? really those were the major threads left from the first movie. I definitely do not want to see lens flares. I definitely do not want to see prime spock or prime kirk, they were great but we do not need to see the original cast in this one.

163. Mega BiteMe - August 11, 2011

#14.

Still? Complaining about the Star Trek movie is so two years ago.

164. dmduncan - August 11, 2011

161. K-7 – August 10, 2011

MJ? MJ, is that you posting under a different name supporting yourself, or is somebody just coincidentally making the same sorts of impulsive reading comprehension mistakes you make? LOL!

Hey grammar school graduate, I don’t have to DISprove what is itself not proven. Can you grasp that simple idea or do you need a picture book with large letters and lots of pop up pictures?

Like a frakkin kindergarten in here sometimes.

Since you are equally as thick between the ears as MJ, and as full of his smack talking, let me chalk the board with what is probably obvious to most people EXCEPT you and he:

MJ provides NO evidence. Nada. Zilch. ALL the evidence that exists is evidence of a VERY SMALL MINORITY of repeat offenders that cannot be taken as a sample of majority opinion. And if MJ DID count any “heads,” I wouldn’t doubt that he counts his own opinion as a “1” each time he runs across one of his many many posts.

“MJ, MJ, MJ, Devon, MJ, MJ, DMDuncan, MJ. That’s 6 to 2, MJ wins!”

MJ is the guy, remember, who posted like 10 one word posts in a row repeatedly just to help create the thread with the most comments, which is not only childish, but deceptive with respect to the number of individuals who are making the thread long by actually having something to say.

So shut up or put up. That simple. Show me the money, big mouth. Go ahead and count all the heads and run the numbers and provide evidence that a MAJORITY OF FANS are sharpening their pitchforks. Not the majority of loud TREKMOVIE Mr. Crankypants posters, but the majority of FANS.

Yeah, sure, I wish they were closer along too. Everybody does. But that disappointment does not make us all impulsively groaning children. We can wait. We’d like it better if we didn’t HAVE to, but we CAN anyway.

So…you want to make a positive claim, a claim of knowledge? Then BACK IT UP, or else you are just rabble rousing and if it were my site I’d ban your asses for that nonsense.

I, on the other hand, am smarter than that. I did NOT make a positive claim of knowledge; you and MJ may not get this, but this is for those who will:

I actually was making a probabilistic statement reasonably backed up by my own experience which others can probably confirm upon reflection that people who are patient tend not to complain in proportion to how patient they are, and thus that you can’t expect to hear complaints from those who do not have the nature to always be complaining especially about something which is supposed to help alleviate rather than to contribute to the strain of real life, leaving the complainers to skew impressions in those apt to be listening that only complainers exist when that is just not true.

So if a vast majority of traffic to this site never bothers to post, it is a reasonable possibility that many of them and maybe even a majority of them do not have a significant enough issue with the sequel’s delay to post a complaint about it as MJ incessantly does at every opportunity. It is certainly reasonable to say that the majority do not post because they do not feel as strongly about expressing their opinion as they do about not expressing it, otherwise they would post something; and further it is reasonable to think that tends to confirm that they are not so hung up on it as MJ is, or again they would be posting.

Of course, that is a probabilistic statement. Not an absolute statement. MJ likes to read fast and then to comment without understanding what he has read while being certain he has understood — which leads to so many of his fatally flawed arguments — so I’m taking a moment here to call everyone’s attention to the difference between absolute and probabilistic statements, because I did not make it probabilistic by accident.

Which is just a long way of saying that MJs way of counting “evidence” is largely simplistic and unreliable, as if the only evidence is the evidence of cranky posters posting their feed-me-Seymours on Trekmovie. Hilarious!

165. Navy - August 11, 2011

I think these people are just starting to realize how big the shoes are they stepped into. This is a franchise with a fan base that is not forgiving in the least.

They made a number of mistakes that many of us are still bothered by (*cough*The Enterprise*cough*) but for the most part we can look past that if the story is good.

The problem is, where do they go from ST09? Ok Kirk just got promoted to Captain, a little ahead of time but plausible with some thought. The “supreme court” which is a dumb title anyways, will have to answer some questions as to what occurred after Kirk took command of the Enterprise. If we just jump into a story 5 or 10 years into the future with no back fill the next movie will feel empty.

I sincerely hope that the delays are them coming to terms with the fact that they need to treat this franchise with respect and make a product that builds on 50 years of our history. I want quality. If you’re not going to give me the Enterprise they way she’s supposed to be, you’d damn well better give me a good story. You’ve had an opening night and three other visits to the theater for ST09 from me but I’ll be expecting much much more for the next movie.

166. Devon - August 11, 2011

“160 – Devon

Of course it matters if Pocketbooks is not being allowed to release adult Trek novels. ”

That is NOT what has been said. I will repeat this again for all to see:

#115 – “No new universe novels…”

#117 – “Agreed, and especially I don’t get why JJ, Orci and company have sequestered those 4 new universe ST novels that were already completed, and have put the stops on any new novels since them in the new universe.”

This is not hard. The complaints that there have been NO new universe novels, which is NOT true. The whole “Well not the Academy novels” thing was an afterthought when those two above statements were shown to be incorrect. I don’t care what someone thinks is “more important,” the issue is that there ARE new Universe novels that have been out.

167. MJ - August 11, 2011

@164 Sheesh DM, somebody besides me actually sees through you quantity over substance argument and I get blamed for it. LOL Nice try. No that is not my sockpuppet, “but I like him!”.

168. MJ - August 11, 2011

@166. Give it up, will you, Devon — you keep trying to twist this into some word game to prove I don’t know what? Sheesh dude, you make DM look like a champion debater by comparison. :-))

169. ilker - August 11, 2011

Boxofficemojo says that the 2009 film grossed Worldwide:$385,680,446. I don’t think the sequel is a priority for Paramount, let’s stop seeing this as if the fate and dates of release are all together left in JJ&Gang’s hands. They like to show it like that, maybe thinking that it would be more valid of an excuse since these so-called new hot guys of the industry have a schedule. They don’t pull the strings there. Let them pretend it’s their hard work and busy schedules. Are we fooled? No, it’s just a laugh.

170. MJ - August 11, 2011

@164 “Which is just a long way of saying that MJs way of counting “evidence” is largely simplistic and unreliable.”

I acknowledged that it was imperfect. However it does represent some limited data a least to look at, whereas your “I pulled it out of my ass” FEELING that Trek random at large would have a contrary opinion isn’t even based on imperfect and limited information.

As for the rest of your post to K-7 where you pretty much go nuts about me, let me apologize here if I got under your skin a bit, because you really seem a tad obsessed with me, listing a litany of “grievances” that have apparently been building up on your end. I have enjoyed our discussions in the past, but it seems here like you are taking this in a direction that I really don’t want to go.

171. MJ - August 11, 2011

@161 “DM Duncan, now you are complaining about not getting the details about what the Supreme Court is doing. Reminds me of MJ. Might the term “hypocrite” perhaps be applicable here?”

Well put! Somehow I guess its OK when he complains though?

172. dmduncan - August 11, 2011

@167: You probably don’t read past a sentence of what I post or you wouldn’t blatantly attribute arguments to me that I am OBVIOUSLY not making, so how would you know that anything I write is quantity over substance?

Yeah, I know you are a responder not a reader and that many of my posts don’t cater to the short attention span crowd with psychic powers that save them from having to deal with the icky written word, but as that embarrassing STRAW MAN you set up at 147 demonstrates…

…sometimes ya just gotta do the work to understand what’s being said, big guy. Seriously.

Make an effort to correct yourself. Don’t make that the job of other people.

173. MJ - August 11, 2011

and the hate-on continues…

:-(

174. dmduncan - August 11, 2011

170. MJ – August 11, 2011

LOL! Don’t apologize. I much prefer honesty to bullshit. Your trolling does exactly what you want it to do. Don’t pretend otherwise.

And I’ve already responded to the other non-points you made in my previous post. I actually have MORE data from which to make reasonable inferences than you do, but repeating it for you to ignore again won’t accomplish anything, so can’t help you if you won’t help yourself big guy.

Bottom line: You have NO data to support the claim that the loud vocal minority of impatient groaners is representative of Trek fans in the world, MJ. NONE. It’s not just “imperfect,” it’s non-existent. So I don’t have to disprove your claims. Your own failure to demonstrate anything saves me the trouble.

So when you posture triumphally as if your opinion has more weight — uh, nope.

NONE of us KNOWS what the truth is, but the data set of non complaining visitors is much larger, according to the owner of this site, than the data set of complaining visitors is, yet in typical MJ fashion you expect us to believe that you speak for everyone. LOL!

I think you need a longer vacation.

175. MJ - August 11, 2011

@174 “I much prefer honesty to bullshit. Your trolling does exactly what you want it to do. Don’t pretend otherwise.”

Huh? So not only can you predict (WHOOPS, I mean based on probability theory) what the Trek general public’s view is, but you know what I am thinking as well. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! What a crock! LOL

“NONE of us KNOWS what the truth is, but the data set of non complaining visitors is much larger, according to the owner of this site, than the data set of complaining visitors is, yet in typical MJ fashion you expect us to believe that you speak for everyone.!”

I’d like to see you apply this same logic to your cockamamee Bilderberg Group and related “grand conspiracy” / “star chamber” nonsense. Now that would be funny, as I have a similar to you — pull it out of my ass feeling — that the silent majority will not buy the crap that you are selling on that topic. Again, the word “hypocrite” might rear its ugly head here…WHOOPS! LOL

Your posts are entertaining, I’ll give you that. Certainly more entertaining than “Breaking Away” or “American Flyer.” :-))

176. dmduncan - August 12, 2011

175: “Huh? So not only can you predict (WHOOPS, I mean based on probability theory) what the Trek general public’s view is, but you know what I am thinking as well. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! What a crock! LOL”

Look at that. The BS never stops with you. Somehow you manage to misunderstand every single thing I’ve said with gusto and pride in your own ignorance.

First of all, I leave the mind reading to you in your boring complaints on the Shatner threads.

Second, not only do you NOT understand how to apply Occam’s Razor, not only do you have serious difficulty understanding syllogistic reasoning, but you also do not appear to understand that when people make inductive inferences that they are speaking cautiously and tentatively and NOT making claims to knowledge. That is the hallmark of probabilistic claims. They are inherently uncertain and could be wrong — unlike deductive inferences which can never be changed by the addition of new facts.

Read the posts, MJ!!!

“I’d like to see you apply this same logic to your cockamamee Bilderberg Group and related ‘grand conspiracy’ / ‘star chamber’ nonsense.”

Arguing off the point. Not something anybody is currently talking about. But it does show how desperate you are to try and score some points by taking the discussion somewhere else since you aren’t having much luck with THIS topic. Here’s a clue: Write better posts that demonstrate you understand what the people writing them are saying.

And do yourself a favor. Stop being SO obnoxious like it’s an honorable thing to be. It isn’t. And the upside is that you won’t have to apologize, be warned by Anthony Pascale, or have to take a vacation from posting.

“Your posts are entertaining, I’ll give you that.”

Thanks, but yours aren’t. Going through one is like unclogging a toilet.

177. n1701ncc - August 12, 2011

Hey lets talk about possible plots and villains that is much more interesting. A nasty Mudd would be great

178. somethoughts - August 12, 2011

Mudd could be played by Johnny Depp in the spirit of a Jack Sparrow? :)

Would be hilarious to see William Shatner play Mudd, twirling his evil mustache and all also.

I would love to see a intergalactic martial arts tournament, showcasing KirkFu and SpockFu in the spirit of Hong Kong Martial Arts choreography and include Uhura kicking some butt vs a female Vulcan trying to score with Spock.

Show the Federation using awesome ships and technology to move New Vulcan into orbit of the one destroyed, while showing aliens putting this huge sphere around their Sun, trying to harvest the energy to fuel their civilization.

Refit the Enterprise to look similar to the one in TMP and introduce cloaking technology for the fleet leading up to the Treaty of Algeron
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Algeron

Spock vs Kirk in martial arts and command ability, USS Vulcan vs USS Enterprise for the annual starfleet Olympics, during the competition something mysterious, powerful, omnipotent and destructive happens.

179. dmduncan - August 12, 2011

177: “Hey lets talk about possible plots and villains that is much more interesting.”

Completely agree. Would much rather offer creative conversation than be correcting lazy nonsense aimed at me.

Here’s one: Rather than one on one reproduction the Vulcans use test tube techniques to rebuild their race quickly. The mass production technique creates a new generation of Vulcan that is so significantly altered that the character of the Vulcan race is changed with their creation.

Can you really destroy their world without significant repercussions elsewhere in Vulcan society?

180. MJ - August 12, 2011

@176

“The BS never stops with you”

“gusto and pride in your own ignorance”

“Here’s a clue…”

First of all, what asinine behavior! It’s like you think we are in high school or something and you think you can bully me and tease me into giving you my lunch money. This is really lame, and I am frankly embarrassed for you in stooping to this level of vitriol in your attacks on my character here.

“Look at that. The BS never stops with you. Somehow you manage to misunderstand every single thing I’ve said with gusto and pride in your own ignorance.”

No, you have it reversed. The BS starts with your bone-headed posts such a making up supposed A priori knowledge about how you know how Trek fans not posting here think. Or let’s take another one — that secret groups are controlling everything around us. And you act like this elitist who seems to be above to fray, an “expert” (LOL) who is qualified to provide us all multiple-page posts picking apart, and in many cases on sub-arguments not central to the person’s post you are responding to. You, my friend are the King of BS on this board. And if I am guilty of enjoying and having fun a bit too much with my posts, well, you are guilty of being an elitist know-it-all on your posts, and the funny thing is you don’t even realize it. That is the difference between you and me — I know I am a Prima donna and you don’t realize that you are one as well. “A man’s go to know his limitations”

And also, don’t think for a moment that you are fooling anyone here by you use of words like syllogistic, and with supposed sophisticated arguments on inductive reasoning. You took it upon yourself to try to imagine what I was thinking, and had the gumption to post here publically about it. Well, my thoughts on you are that you are a rogue amateur, a basement expert with no real academic quals, a nut job who believes in silly conspiracy theories that are put forth by snake-oil salesman, and an obsessive compulsive poster who never knows when it is time to exit the argument. By contrast, I have two advanced degrees and have actually worked in the real world with statistics and survey sampling – but I don’t need to type pages of postings about this on this web site to convince myself and others of my qualifications in this area (unlike an obsessed amateur like yourself). And go ahead in your obligatory multi-page response here and make fun of my advanced degrees comment – that is what amateurs do to give themselves the false feeling of superiority.

“Second, not only do you NOT understand how to apply Occam’s Razor, not only do you have serious difficulty understanding syllogistic reasoning, but you also do not appear to understand that when people make inductive inferences that they are speaking cautiously and tentatively and NOT making claims to knowledge. That is the hallmark of probabilistic claims. They are inherently uncertain and could be wrong — unlike deductive inferences which can never be changed by the addition of new facts.”

All, the above is a long-winded nonsensical excuse for believing whatever DM wants us to believe even where we have some small measure of evidence to the contrary. And any crackpot like him believing that worldwide secret organizations are controlling everything we do would NOT know how to apply Occam’s Razor if it shaved his beard and called him papa.

And let us not forget, these series of discussions and I began with DM complaining about me complaining too much about the Trek sequel delays. However, right in the middle of this, DM offered his own post complaining about much of the same, as this quote from him illustrates:

“why can’t they at least share some details about the actual things that are making it take so long? Specific details about the process if not about the story.”

WTF? This is the same issue I have been bringing up that DM was complaining about? This hypocrisy points the real reason here for these posts of his and the vitriol of his – it is not about the ideas and debates with me that is bothering him – it is me personally that is bothering him, and he is out to personally embarrass and discredit me on these boards. That is what is really going on here folks – don’t think otherwise.

“Here’s a clue: Write better posts that demonstrate you understand what the people writing them are saying.”

Let me guess, you are the example I should be striving for in post writing, right? The guy who writes pages and pages of stuff in ineffective attempts to diffuse the central argument in which it is obvious to all that he has already lost. Here’s a clue for you — write concise posts that reflect the argument at hand, drop the ancillary stuff, and stop providing us all meaningless lectures that we don’t want or need to hear. I’d rather sit for days at a financial services seminar than have to go back and read your pages and pages of so boring posts from the past couple of years. The phone book would be a better read.

Your posts here the past couple of days have raised the level of vitriol and taken these discussions to a vastly more negative nature. I am frankly embarrassed that we are having this discussion “in front” of others. Based on this, I will not be responding to any future posts from you, DM Duncan. You are Persona not grata on these boards from this point forward. With this, I grant you the last word – no doubt you will respond with a multi-page post that poorly attempts to dissect and twist around what I have said here – go for it, jackwagaon –I give you the last word — go right on embarrassing yourself – you are not fooling anyone.

In closing my contact with you on these boards, I offer the perfect analogy. In Star Trek III, as Captain Kirk tried to be reasonable and save the life of Captain Kolath, Kolath was recalcitrant, and Kirk had finally had enough and dispatched Kolath’s sorry self off that cliff, saying”“I have had enough…of…you!”

Good riddance DM Kolath.

181. Cygnus-X1 - August 12, 2011

Friends, friends! We mustn’t fight amongst ourselves! We should unite against the common enemy! Which is…

Uhh…

Time! Yes! Too much time between ST’09 and its sequel!

Wait. Time doesn’t really lend itself to being a good enemy.

Uhh…

JJ Abrams! Yes! He’s taken over the franchise and subordinated it to his whims and desires!

Wait. That’s way too cynical and too much of a downer.

Uhh…

Sorry, I got nothin! Please carry on!

(ugh…I’m so embarrassed…)

182. red dead ryan - August 13, 2011

#180.

Just a correction:

The Klingon Kirk kicked off the cliff was Kruge, not Kolath. I can’t remember if there was a Kolath, but there was a Koloth, from the TOS episode “The Trouble With Tribbles”. He was played by William Campbell, who previously played Trelane in “The Squire Of Gothos”.

183. MJ - August 13, 2011

@182. Hah! I got my Klingon’s mixed up. Yea, The Trouble with Tribbles Klingon. Thanks RDR! :-)

PS: I also said, “Persona not Grata”….funny typo there!

184. dmduncan - August 13, 2011

180. MJ – August 12, 2011

MJ that was VERY interesting for me to read. I sincerely hope you take a vacation to recenter yourself.

Although your post was riddled with errors, there are only two major corrections I wish to make:

You quote my words and claim I am a hypocrite because I am complaining about the same things you are. But of course we all know that we all complain about some things at various times, we all have bad days, and anyone who says otherwise is more likely lying than not. You quoted me:

“why can’t they at least share some details about the actual things that are making it take so long? Specific details about the process if not about the story.”

Since you seem to miss subtlety I understand why you would make that particular mistake, and it is easy enough to correct.

Asking for specific details about the behind the scenes process as I was calmly and actually with some excitement doing there is a request that might get us some information that we don’t have about what is happening, something interesting to know that we don’t yet know. I often ask things that I hope Anthony will pick up on and ask Bob or JJ, because getting that kind of information is fun — for me, at least, and I’m sure others would appreciate having it too.

But complaining like a broken record over and over again about things taking too long when we know THEY know it’s taking too long and they are already busting their asses is just like listening to silly fat Shatner comments over and over again.

I would rather be optimistic and give them the benefit of the doubt that maybe they had some undisclosed problems (which I would LOVE to know about!), but they are on it now and working as hard as they can to bring us a quality product.

You can groan if that is your preference. I leave you to it. But I think most people can understand that listening repeatedly to groanings about the same thing gets monotonous and tiresome, and that we can also spend our time more positively than that.

So you are wrong — I was NOT doing in that quote what the impatience groaners do post after post, and so I am not being a hypocrite.

But more importantly — I LIKE this group of guys doing Star Trek now and I do sometimes get concerned that, as Damon pointed out, all they may take away from what they hear is negativity. And I don’t want them to do that. I don’t think that’s fair or accurate of how most fans probably feel.

Now to the other mistake:

180: “And let us not forget, these series of discussions and I began with DM complaining about me complaining too much about the Trek sequel delays.”

As usual, you are wrong again. This “discussion” began when I posted a general comment to the supreme court, relatively measured in tone, about not taking the complainers to heart too much as a majority of existing fans (since there is absolutely no evidence that such is the case).

That was in post 144. Read it. It’s not too long. You can handle it big guy. I know you think you are the center of everything, but you are mentioned nowhere in that post, and the actually letters in that post will prove me right and you wrong. The letters “MJ” are nowhere within it, nor is a post number referring to anything you wrote.

So the facts show that it was not addressed to you specifically, MJ. It was a general comment about people who repeatedly complain impatiently regarding how long the sequel is taking, but not addressed to you in particular because you are NOT the only complainer. To which you replied DIRECTLY to my post in 147 with an absolutely embarrassing straw man argument that I wasn’t making. Shame on you. You brag about having multiple advanced degrees and yet you can’t even catch such a basic mistake as that?

I don’t have to make fun of your claim about having advanced degrees. It’s shocking that if you really have them you would make the opposite look true in the things you say, the minds you read, the warnings from AP you get, and the attention you fail to pay to what people are writing.

And so that is the accurate history of how this started. Me making a general comment to the supreme court about the impatient complainers, and you responding directly to me in your typically impulsive way with a straw man argument that made no sense at all.

I called your BS. And as your anti-intellectual diatribe in #180 shows, you disintegrated.

Rather than trying to win the debate at hand you called my arguments names and brought up completely off topic issues that were not under discussion in this thread and which have nothing at all to do with the probabilistic arguments I was making.

So don’t blame me for discrediting you on these boards. You do that by the quality of your responses and your contempt for reasoning. Man up and take responsibility for your own ignorance because you aren’t going to stop being ignorant until you can admit you have — as we all have — work to do.

Good luck, MJ.

185. Chadwick - August 13, 2011

By the end of DS9 the Klingons were poofters! The worst was the hair, it just got so big and bouffant. They need to be dark, sinister, and aggressive again. I would really be interested in that designers and artists could do.

186. dmduncan - August 13, 2011

They say confession is good for the soul, and I confess to enjoying MJs meltdown very very much! :-) He’s been swinging his opinion around here like it was a Thor’s hammer of truth for too long, with his simian alpha male presumption of speaking for everybody (“the silent majority will not buy the crap that you are selling on that topic” “You are Persona not grata on these boards from this point forward” “go right on embarrassing yourself – you are not fooling anyone”), so he’s had this coming.

He made some good people with good ideas have outbursts with choice words for him, like Mouavian Waul, and he needed to be warned by Anthony for his blatant smack-talking before knowing when to quit, so I don’t feel bad about giving him his comeuppance at all especially when (as unself-reflective people often do) he projects all of his own faults as belonging to others rather than to himself.

But I don’t prefer it this way. I would prefer to live in peace and not go Billy Jack on folk. But sometimes this place feels like the primate section of the zoo with how people try to cut you down with nonsense in front of others, and I don’t particularly like being one of the primates in that environment, but if that’s the game people want to play with me then I’ll be in the part of Caesar until I learn how to be better.

Sometimes I react because I misunderstand what someone really means, and it’s my bad when I do that, but this was a case of MJ trying to make an argument about something that I didn’t even say! And he didn’t admit his mistake, he didn’t apologize for it, he just kept compounding his initial error with name calling (“crackpot” “jackwagaon” “DM Kolath”), arguing off the point, mind reading my life and living conditions, and appealing to the authority of his “advanced” degrees as if framed pieces of paper on the wall are going to imbue his fallacious arguments with truth, and help him against me here.

He miscalculated. And I have not yet learned how to run the other way from bloated loud mouths who have more self esteem than they rate, such as he.

Also, I see MJ called me a “basement expert,” the second time someone has expressed an opinion on the architecture of my house. So let me answer the curious:

I live in a two level house. It has a garden level and a main level, but no basement. The garden level has full size windows and its own entrance with four seven inch steps to get to street level (that’s only twenty eight inches up), two bedrooms, a full bath, a living room that matches in size the living room on the main floor, a laundry room, and a computer wall. But I don’t study books there and it has no space in which to build or paint starship models. Neither do I have a place for that on the main floor which has another two bedrooms and another full bath. For that I would have to go out to my two car garage, which is a separate brick building behind my house and between the back and middle yards (there is also a large front yard). There you will find lots of cool stuff (it’s my own personal man-cave, and the cars I leave outside), but alas still nothing to build or paint starship models or to polish my expertise with.

Thanks for the interest. Retool your stereotypes accordingly. Carry on, and to others: My apologies for not being good enough not to respond. It’s something I sincerely hope to get better at in the future.

Until then: :-)

187. Christopher Roberts - August 13, 2011

185. Chadwick – “By the end of DS9 the Klingons were poofters!”

I’ll still be laughing at that in an hour’s time.

I knew DS9 was the most daring series in the whole franchise, but even they didn’t break that barrier down enough to show a homosexual Klingon!

:-}

An Enterprise novel did however…

188. Elle Mattingly - August 14, 2011

I am probably the oldest person on this board as I started watching Star Trek TOS at ten in 1968. Wrath of Khan is my all time favorite movie. I liked the new film but felt there wasn’t quite enough character development. Would LOVE to see more of Bones. The portrayal was spot on, like he was channeling DeForest Kelly. Amazing. Stand alone is fine as long as it still pays homage to TOS and keeps the characters fully intact (including “I’m giving you all she’s got” and “I’m a surgeon damn it not a—” ) I REALLY DISLIKE the “romantic Spock”. That was ugly. Zoe plays the part too sexy, not shy and unassuming like Nichelle Nichols did. She needs to tone it down a bit. Hope this story line is solid, with the original romanticized vision of the future. THAT is what makes Star Trek Star Trek and NOT Star Wars.

189. Richard Hanna (Trekkie since 1968) - August 14, 2011

The new movie was a decent film, but destroying the moral and technological center of the federation as a re-boot? What beloved trek icon will he go after this time? Will a plague wipe out the Tribbles, and perhaps the Enterprise can get even uglier? I’m a big fan of the Wrath of Kahn and Star Trek 4 have enjoined all the different series even the cartoon. I did enjoy the new Kirk and Bones and Scotty shows some promise but the new Emotional Spock was not a character I would would claim as a Vulcan.

190. Rocket Scientist - August 15, 2011

188. Elle Mattingly

Good points. I enjoyed the movie too, but felt there was something about the “updated” way the characters interacted that is at odds with the more subtle, gracious performances of the original cast. I suppose it’s a sign of the times that characters now have to be “edgy” and “in your face”.

It’s the price we pay for bringing these icons into the modern age. I’m not so sure I’m cool with it.

191. Mark Lynch - August 15, 2011

Perhaps everyone who is really, really upset about the delays should consider putting themselves to sleep for the next 12-18 months or so. Then upon waking, they will not have much time to wait and can catch up on all the exciting talk on this site….

I just hope I am still alive when the next film comes out… I’m not getting any younger you know. Anyhow I’m off to my bed to see if I can snooze for the next 18 months. Better than getting frustrated by the wait, right? ;)

BTW
Rise of the Planet of the Apes – Great movie, get out and go see it. This is how to relaunch an existing franchise and they didn’t need an alternate Universe to do it.

192. Basement Blogger - August 16, 2011

Devon says, “So, if enough people complain irrationally they will undo the delay that’s already been done? I mean what are they suppose to undo here? They’re already working on the film, there’s nothing to complain about.” @ 128

A consumer complaining about being mistreated or the quality of a product is not just about undoing a mistake. It’s also about changing how the company treats its customers. Read Post 110 with all the misstatements. Trekkers were not treated well. And maybe the Supreme Court will treat the customers with more respect in the future. Maybe they will be more careful in putting out the quality of the product, knowing there was much unhappiness. If I had a company I wouldn’t want to piss off the customers. Logic says it’s bad for business.

As far as you saying ” They’re already working on the film….” I would read post 110 for all the things that they have said about working on the film. I would suggest if Bad Robot wanted to sell you ocean view property in Iowa that you should decline.

193. Keachick (rose pinenut) - August 16, 2011

Legally, of course, they are not obliged to do anything and nor are we, the consumer, obliged to buy their product, in this case, buy ticket(s) to see their movie in the cinema and/or buy DVDs/Blu-Ray discs etc. So, in this sense, there can be no legitimate complaint to be made.

However, I think it is about the studio team maintaining goodwill and the trust of those most likely to want to see their next production. Unfortunately they have not done that very well, despite Bob Orci’s efforts, but he is one man in a team. Ultimately, building up and maintaining goodwill and trust may be far more important to the genuine well being of all than any legally binding contract could ever provide. This is to do with heart and soul.

Also I find it hard to believe that some people here are fans because they seem way too busy finding fault with this and/or that Star Trek, rather than just appearing to enjoy various incarnations, warts and all. Unfortunately, it is many of these *fans* who have been overly nitpicky (to me, at least) and I am not sure this has been necessarily very helpful to people like Bob Orci.

194. D in Aurora - August 19, 2011

A bit of a delay, but I must apologize. “Little Dreams” WAS a poor turn of phrase on my part. My intent was merely to convey a sense of “Be Grateful for what you have rather than getting worked up over what you don’t have.” I spent way too many years of my life doing that…and those years I will never get back.

195. Steve Boler - August 24, 2011

I think i have kind of a cool idea that Orci & Kurtzman should think about….and if they use it, i just want tickets to the premier ;-) Shat could have a cameo as Kirks grandfather, with a grey short beard and for once reveal his receeding hairline (he might get some respect as a serious actor), doing a video chat with young Kirk about anything plot related. he could be using an tablet like device walking around as he’s chatting so you can see the background…and as it turns out he is in the condo from ST II. “hey gramps…i like you’re new pad” “make me proud Jim, and it’ll be yours one day.” Of course it would be sooo cool if they made it look identical to the condo from ST II…solidify that its a sequel and not just a reboot. If anyone likes this idea, can you tell the team?

196. mark - August 25, 2011

I’d love to have seen the interview, but your video provider is “unable to show this video in your region” (Netherlands)

197. Mirror Jordan - August 29, 2011

Tomorrow is the end of the month. Please give us some concrete information! I’ve never seen such a lack of buzz for a what can be a sure-shot hit.

198. Mirror Jordan - August 30, 2011

Okay, I was wrong. They’ve still got a day…so I hope we hear something!

199. Tony Pomykala - October 5, 2011

The Star Trek Sequel’s name will be Pineapple. That’s what they said. If you listened to the Commentary on the DVD, all the way to the end…. ;)

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