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William Shatner weighs in on Star Trek vs. Star Wars September 16, 2011

by Charles Trotter , Filed under: Celebrity,Sci-Fi,Shatner,Trek Franchise , trackback

The debate over whether Star Trek is better than Star Wars — or vice versa — is one that has been going on for decades. And now, with this week’s release of Star Wars: The Complete Saga on Blu-ray, Captain Kirk himself is putting his two cents into the discussion. Details and video after the jump.

Does the Shat prefer tribbles over wookiees?
In the latest video posted on his YouTube channel, Shatner sits down with daughter Lisabeth to discuss which sci-fi phenomenon is better, Star Trek or Star Wars… and it should come as no surprise that he finds Trek to be the better franchise. Shatner claims Star Wars to be “derivative” of Star Trek and states that, while Trek was about “relationships” and “stories that involved humanity and philosophical questions,” Star Wars was about “special effects; [it] was ILM at its best.” He goes on to use J.J. Abrams’ Star Trek as proof of Trek‘s superiority over Star Wars, saying that not only does Star Trek deal “with more human principles” but it now “has more special effects than Star Wars, so Star Wars has nothing to stand on.”

Lastly, and in true Kirk fashion, Shatner compares the women of Trek to those of Star Wars… and tells us what he thinks of a union between Kirk and Princess Leia.

You can check out the video below:

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Comments

1. Kevin A Melbourne Australia - September 16, 2011

Star Trek was here 1st!

2. AzarN - September 16, 2011

I love Shatner to death, and would personally pick Trek over Wars, but really, 90% of what he says is so unsubstantiated. He strikes me as one of those folks who hears one snipped of info about a subject and then prattles on like an expert about it.

3. Kevin A Melbourne Australia - September 16, 2011

Although I have my SWs Blu-Ray set arriving this weekend, Star Trek will always be my favouite.

You gotta take what Bill says with a grain of salt, these days he’s more for the joke and stiring the pot. Go Bill!

4. Captain Spirk - September 16, 2011

Amen to Kevin A

5. C Mosenko - September 16, 2011

I like both, but I preffer the Original Star Trek. Star Wars has been very good at supplying toys and stuff for kids. I know more people with Star Wars toys then Star Trek. I was hoping the new hero clicks type Star Trek game could be compatible with the Star Wars pieces. Then we can have a war and find out. Really though, most people I know like both.

6. Harry Ballz - September 16, 2011

I get the impression people like to “chow down” in the Shatner household! Yikes!

7. Canon Schmanon - September 16, 2011

I firmly believe that Star Trek is far superior to Star Wars. Even Voyager and Enterprise. However, that is MY OPINION and nothing more. This isn’t a debate that can be won, because it is all subjective. I don’t understand how anybody can like Star Wars after Empire. Even now, the first two are on shaky ground with me. They didn’t age well, and I don’t mean the effects.

Still, it’s merely a strongly held opinion. Nobody is right or wrong.

But Star Trek is better :-)

8. C Mosenko - September 16, 2011

They both have cool ships. Who doesn’t love the light saber? Robots are great. Star Wars had some cool aliens. George Lucas kept things consistant. Klingon bird of prey is one of the coolest ships. Everyone who knows Star Trek wants a holosuite. Phasers vs turbolasers? The Deathstar can blow up a planet. Genesis can create one for a little while. What else?

9. Driver - September 16, 2011

If Lucas had directed ST:V we would have Rock Creatures by now CGI’ed to the 1st VHS release.

10. Browncoat1984 - September 16, 2011

In recent months I’ve come to realize something: this whole Trek vs. Wars thing is stupid. All my life I’ve loved BOTH franchises EQUALLY for DIFFERENT reasons. As Shatner says, Trek was more about stories that were philosophical and involved humanity. But what he misses about Star Wars is that Star Wars is the classic hero’s tale that’s been told for thousands of years and that’s what makes it so good. Two things:

1) Why are they always at war? Its really just the fans who pretend their at war, yet ALMOST everybody I know in real life who isn’t a super Trek geek or Wars geek loves both. George Lucas is a self-professed Star Trek fan (as he’s featured in Rod Rodenberry’s upcoming documentary), J.J. Abrams, Alex Kurtzman, Damen Lindelof and Roberto Orci (the director/prodcer and writers of the current Trek series) are all self-professed Star Wars fans and I bet…I BET if Gene Rodenberry were alive and asked that question (if he wasn’t asked that question before he died) – that he would say he loves Star Wars too. So why then, do those hardcore fans feel the need to pit them against each other? Its obvious both can exist in the same space no problem. Both have been successful on the big and small screens (Star Wars more recently with Clone Wars) and both have had a HUGELY successful line of merchandise, include popular expanded universes (though the unified Trek expanded universe has only really cropped up in the past decade or so since the DS9 relaunch rather than the Wars unified expanded universe, which has been around since Zahn’s Thrawn trilogy)

2) Why does nobody EVER include poor Stargate in this fight? is it because Stargate is one word? Would if it was called Star Gate instead of Stargate would it be included now in this ever-lasting battle?

11. Mrsly - September 16, 2011

This is easy. Star Wars was designed for 12 year old boys and mama boys. Star Trek was designed for adults and nerds. They both are great franchises. We all still want to pretend we are 12 years old without the puberty. But we grow up and hopefully begin to have sex. Trek was designed for adults and for people who hope brains would get you laid. Han Solo was the man, no doubt about that. But Kirk is a god compared to Han. He was the Bond for space. Solo would rather hang with his wookie and the occasional peck from that tease Leia. Lucas designed Star Wars as he were 12 years old and would never grow up. Roddenberry designed Star Trek to evolve and grow like real life. In the end. Enjoy both, but Star Trek is the better franchise.

12. Harry Ballz - September 16, 2011

I’ll say this for the Shat……..it takes a lot of GUTS to wear a shirt like THAT!

13. David C. Roberson - September 16, 2011

Is it just me or does Shatner look YOUNGER than his DAUGHTER!? God, it must be hard living in that man’s rather… ahem…. expansive shadow! X-D

14. andrew - September 17, 2011

And in tribute, Shat appeared as Jabba the Hut

15. CmdrR - September 17, 2011

12 – No, Harry. It’s singular. He has to have GUT to wear a shirt like that. But, that’s why he’s the Shat.

There’s really no competition between Trek and Wars. They’re both good flavors. Hell, I still remember wasting a lot of childhood afternoons watching reruns of Lost in Space with no regrets. Whatever floats your boat, folks. It’s a big universe.

16. David C. Roberson - September 17, 2011

I honestly tried to get into Star Wars, but never really good. Which is sad because the Star Wars toys look so freaking cool… Anyway, if given the choice, I would watch even TMP over Star Wars any day!

17. David C. Roberson - September 17, 2011

good=could. Wow. Time for bed…

18. Green-Blooded-Bastard - September 17, 2011

11. Mrsly
You mean, in your opinion…

19. Alec - September 17, 2011

Because Trek’s effects used to be so bad, they had to rely on the stories, which were often very good.

It was also much more innovative: there were no mobile phones, electronic doors, talking computers, etc, in those days. Star Wars may have revolutionised the film industry, but Star Trek changed the world. Countless scientists, NASA people, and other professionals cite Star Trek as the reason for doing what they do.

Star Trek also respects the fans more. Any changes are loving changes that don’t change the story – compare TOS remastered to Lucas’s tinkering.

In fact, Star Trek is probably more popular that the other one now. We’ve had a film that’s revitalised the show with good special effects and Star Wars has had three poor films, nothing recent of any significance in the franchise, and constant tinkering with the classics…..

20. Cygnus-X1 - September 17, 2011

Normally the Shat has interesting things to say.

Normally.

21. Jim Nightshade - September 17, 2011

Actually i remember reading years ago that for tv franchises stargate was way more popular especially world wide than trek ever was–dont remember any actual figures–

22. StephenH - September 17, 2011

Don’t forget that DOCTOR WHO was here before both Trek and Wars. I think Bill would make a pretty good Master !! Maybe they could give him a role in the next Torchwood series if they get round to making it …

23. Anthony Thompson - September 17, 2011

15.

That’s exactly what Harry meant! He is a rather clever lad, after all! : )

24. Trek or Treat - September 17, 2011

Here’s my sci fi list.

1. Star Trek
2. Battlestar Galactica (2003) (VERY close second)
3. Star Wars
4. Stargate
5. V
6. Firefly
7. Lost In Space (sorry, still get a kick out of this once in a while!)

DVD’s I have but still haven’t watched and therefore can’t rank:

Babylon 5
Earth: Final Conflict
Earth 2
Space Above & Beyond

Really should get around to those instead of popping in another Trek re-run all the time!

I know there’s a lot of other sci fi stuff out there like Fringe, Sanctuary, Eureka, etc. But as I always tell my partner. I need spaceships and phasers thank you very much.

25. P Technobabble - September 17, 2011

I agree, you gotta take Shatner with a grain of salt, not too seriously. He is a ham. There are two ways to say something like, “Star Trek is way better than Star Wars.” One way is full of argument. The other is with tongue- in-cheek. Shatner is a rather tongue-in-cheek guy.

26. Rod of Rassilon - September 17, 2011

Can we get a look at any of the “brave” folks throwing insults based on apperance; anonymously from the safety of their keyboards about an 80 year old?

Thought not. Such bravery.

/sarcasm.

SW VS ST

I think bill is having fun here, it doesn’t really matter what you prefer as long as you enjoy your favourite and let others get on with enjoying theirs.
But what would have been the outcry if the shat had said SW is better (while joking)? I think his original idea that people “get a life” is very true.

When it’s so ingrained that you go into an apoplectic fit if someone threatens your world view on a tv show/film franchise then I think you DO need to get a life. It is the only logical way of looking at the phenomena.

27. Kirk, James T. - September 17, 2011

Shatner, keeps on proving to people that he is a legend…

Star Wars Vs Star Trek.

Shatner is obviously going to stick up for Star Trek, he is Captain Kirk after all but I believe that he’s having a lot of fun with this because lets face it, the whole debate surrounding Star Trek and Star Wars is nonsense at its best.

Shatner did make some good points though. Star Wars was all about the spectacle, the special effects and such. Star Trek was about the story and the characterisation of each character within that story. I also believe he has a point where he suggests that JJ Abrams has brought Star Wars action and Star Trek story-telling to the Star Trek franchise now and that it supersedes both old Trek and Star Wars on every level. The fact is that Star Wars is old news, and whilst the toys and merchandise still sell well and Star Wars will forever be a cultural icon of cinema – Star Trek has it all in front of it because of JJ Abrams, that fact alone is just amazing.

28. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - September 17, 2011

As a Hard Core Trek Fan I do love Star Wars as well. But. As I see it. You really can’t compare. But here is this thought. Since Star Wars took place a long time ago in a Galaxy far far away. it is possible that Star Trek could one day meet Star Wars. Just saying.
Also. Another Franchise that missed a great opertunity is Babylon 5
Babylon 5 was a great series that simply missed it.

29. Buzz Cagney - September 17, 2011

#16 what do you mean ‘even TMP’? That film is terrific. It has more intelligence and substance than anything Lucas has ever churned out.

30. Lostrod - September 17, 2011

#24

Don’t feel bad about ranking Lost in Space in your top ten list. I’ve always had a soft spot for the show since I watched the premier in ’65. Where do you think my user name came from?

I can prove it with my site at:

http://www.virtualheartland.com/lostinspacegalaxy/

Regards.

31. ST:EXP - September 17, 2011

Why is Kristie Alley interviewing Shatner?

32. Dr_Beckett - September 17, 2011

As much as I love Trek and would take it over Wars anyday, the fact of the matter is that MAINSTREAM film going audiences would rather watch Wars than Trek. Even though Trek 09 was a huge hit, it’s box office take is still less than what any of the Wars films have pulled in. In countries outside the States and the UK where Trek is not very popular, Wars always comes up tops.

33. Craiger - September 17, 2011

I like both but Star Wars had relationships. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhbq-k466Is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mtn3ZUyKu-g

34. Kirk's Flying Wig - September 17, 2011

Yikes! Please go back to wearing the usual shirt and jacket, Bill!

35. Trek Or Treat - September 17, 2011

#30

Thanks for the link. LOVE the J-2 tour. That’s amazing!

36. Trek Or Treat - September 17, 2011

#29

Totally agree. I’ve always had a soft spot for TMP. While Khan is my favorite, TMP had such a grand scope. Makes it hard to even compare with the other movies.

as for ST:V …. ehhh… not so much.

37. John Locke - September 17, 2011

The universe is big enough for both without having to say which is better. It’s like having two kids and choosing one over the other – you can’t!

George Lucas received an award at an MTV awards. The first thing he did was say that Star Trek started everything. Funny thing is, Shatner said the same thing while opening the AFI award for Lucas – which by the way was one Shatner’s best performances – Must see on Youtube.

38. Craiger - September 17, 2011

Wouldn’t that be an ultimate Scifi fan’s dream combing Star Trek and Star Wars? For the sequel they could have the Abrams’s Enterprise be flung into the Star Wars Galaxy.

39. HARRISON!!! - September 17, 2011

This is like religion or Mac vs. PC, anyone who has a strong opinion either way is automatically wrong by virtue of having a conviction on an entirely arbitrary & subjective subject!

40. Kev -1 - September 17, 2011

I like them both for different reasons, although the current Trek may have merged somewhat with Star Wars (given the director’s preference for Star Wars). But I remember reading a Starlog magazine article which said that while Star Wars was being made, the crew would sometimes catch Star Trek during their afternoon breaks (Trek stripped daily during the 70s).

41. Odkin - September 17, 2011

I’m still waiting for someone to settle whether “Buck Rogers” or “Flash Gordon” was the better comic strip.

42. C Mosenko - September 17, 2011

What do the people here think?
1). Coolest ship?
2) Coolest villan?
3). Phaser or blaster?
4). Coolest space station?
5). Hyperspace or warp speed?
6). Coolest droid or android?
7). Coolest small ship?
8). Coolest alien?
9). Coolest planet? (besides Hoth)
Come on people give up some answers, Star Wars, Star Trek, whatever. Have fun.

43. trekker 5 - September 17, 2011

I must agree with Mr.Shatner,Trek is so much more awesome than Star Wars!! I would say that every time,I’m Trekker,my blood runs green!! :)

44. chrisfawkes.com - September 17, 2011

I still remember the look on Mark Hamill’s face when they announced Shatner at George Lucas’s birthday bash. Totally priceless.

Kirk was cool because Shatner was cool. That is why he is still gold to today.

The star wars crowd have no careers now except for Harrison Ford who was a James T Kirk knock off as Hans Solo anyway so they had to cast someone with a similar cool factor.

Ironically Star Wars may have come off as more human if the line “i am your father” instead of being delivered by Vader to Luke had been given by Yoda to Kermit.

45. Red Dead Ryan - September 17, 2011

Yeah, I think William Shatner is yanking everyone’s chains. “Star Wars” and “Star Trek” shouldn’t really be compared to each other all that much since they are quite different in their approach to characters and how they fit into their respective universes as well as the differences in storytelling.

We should be lucky to have two great franchises to enjoy.

By the way, I bought the new complete “Star Wars” Blu Ray Collection yesterday and last night I watched “The Phantom Menace”. While the movie itself still sucks, the awful mustachioed puppet Yoda has been replaced by a better cgi version similar to what was used in Episodes II and III. The picture quality is a lot better, with some color correction used in places, and new content added during the pod racing scene.

#12.

That’s because he’s the kind of guy who likes to let it all hang out!

46. Desstruxion - September 17, 2011

Star Wars might have had a chance……if Shatner would have been cast as Darth Vader.

47. MrRegular - September 17, 2011

Star Trek Vs. Star Wars: It all comes back to what production came the first and how it influenced everything that came after it. We’re in the 45th Anniversary month of the debut of Trek. That to me is astonishing. Even more so is that the Shat is still with us, active as a man half his age!!

48. Harry Ballz - September 17, 2011

23.

Anthony Thompson “That’s exactly what Harry meant! He is a rather clever lad, after all!”

Thanks, Anthony!

As soon as I saw the thread’s title was “William Shatner weighs in…”, I figured the subject was fair game!

49. Captain Rickover - September 17, 2011

@C Mosenko
1.) Enterprise-A
2.) Darth Sidious – because Sauron doesn’t count :(
3.) Phaser – because lightsabers are not on the list
4.) Spacedock (the mushroom one)
5.) Warp Speed
6.) Data
7.) X-Wing Fighter
8.) Odo
9.) Coruscant

50. Canon Schmanon - September 17, 2011

42. C Mosenko –

1). Coolest ship? Enterprise

2) Coolest villan? Darth Vader

3). Phaser or blaster? Phaser

4). Coolest space station? DS9

5). Hyperspace or warp speed? Warp

6). Coolest droid or android? Data

7). Coolest small ship? The Defiant

8). Coolest alien? Jar Jar ;-)

9). Coolest planet? (besides Hoth) Risa

51. OtterVomit - September 17, 2011

Star Trek is – or used to be – the thinking man’s sci-fi. It was a vehicle used to explore important ethical and philosophical points. That was a major part of Star Trek’s bread & butter and why it has enjoyed such an enduring legacy.

Star Wars is fun to watch as a series of popcorn flicks but ultimately it has very little to say. It doesn’t teach us anything or compels us to reflect upon ourselves – which is all fine. Sometimes that is exactly what we are in the mood for.

52. MorbidGorn - September 17, 2011

Love em both, but yeah Trek > Wars

53. Phil - September 17, 2011

For those making the “throwing stones in glass houses” arguement, I should point out I’m not actively lobbying for a role in a movie as an action hero. Sorry Shat, but that tee you are wearing proves the point, that the older you get, the better you were.
For full disclosure, I’m 6’4, about 220, bald, and not in fighting trim. I don’t own any of the shirts Shat is wearing, because it would be wildly obvious where the extra 25 pounds is hiding out….

54. JKP - September 17, 2011

This is just the Shat having some fun. Good stuff. Love it.

Shat rules!

55. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - September 17, 2011

Hey. 35 years ago today the Space Shuttle Enterprise was unveiled by NASA. Would be nice to get a full article on Trekmovie.

56. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - September 17, 2011

Thirty-five years ago today, Americans got their first good look at a spaceship that would become a national icon.

On Sept. 17, 1976, NASA’s prototype space shuttle Enterprise was rolled out of its assembly facility in Southern California and displayed before a crowd several thousand strong. Though Enterprise was a test vehicle that never reached space, its completion in some ways marked the true beginning of the space shuttle era.

Various dignitaries were on hand to mark the occasion, including many castmembers from the original “Star Trek” television series, which had debuted 10 years earlier (the 45th anniversary of “Star Trek” was last week). Their presence was appropriate, as the prototype shuttle took its name from the sleek starship commanded by the fictional Captain James Tiberius Kirk.

This had not always been so; the shuttle’s original name was Constitution. But a massive write-in campaign by “Star Trek” fans urged President Gerald Ford to go with Enterprise, and he eventually acquiesced.

A protype shuttle
Though Enterprise broadly resembled future space shuttles, the prototype differed in several key ways.

“At its core — its airframe — Enterprise was like its space-worthy shuttle siblings, but it was never outfitted with many of the systems that would have ultimately made it capable of orbiting the Earth,” said space history expert Robert Pearlman, editor of the website collectSPACE.com and a frequent SPACE.com contributor.

“For example,” Pearlman added, “its outer surface was mostly fiberglass instead of the thermal protection system tiles and (later) blankets that covered [the shuttle] Columbia.”

At 150,000 pounds (68,000 kilograms), Enterprise was also considerably lighter than the five space-flown orbiters — primarily because it lacked the powerful shuttle main engines. The shuttle Challenger, for example, had an empty weight of about 175,000 pounds, according to NASA records A protype shuttle

Though Enterprise broadly resembled future space shuttles, the prototype differed in several key ways.

“At its core — its airframe — Enterprise was like its space-worthy shuttle siblings, but it was never outfitted with many of the systems that would have ultimately made it capable of orbiting the Earth,” said space history expert Robert Pearlman, editor of the website collectSPACE.com and a frequent SPACE.com contributor.

“For example,” Pearlman added, “its outer surface was mostly fiberglass instead of the thermal protection system tiles and (later) blankets that covered [the shuttle] Columbia.”

At 150,000 pounds, Enterprise was also considerably lighter than the five space-flown orbiters — primarily because it lacked the powerful shuttle main engines. The shuttle Challenger, for example, had an empty weight of about 175,000 pounds, according to NASA records.

Enterprise hits the road
On Jan. 31, 1977, NASA transported Enterprise 36 miles overland to the space agency’s Dryden Flight Research Facility at Edwards Air Force Base.

Over the next nine months, NASA engineers put Enterprise through a series of ground and flight tests. These trials proved out the shuttle’s design, demonstrating its airworthiness and landing abilities.

Then, from 1978 to 1985, Enterprise was ferried to various NASA centers, where it served as a sort of practice tool for engineers working on flight-ready space shuttles.

Enterprise “was the ‘fit-check’ vehicle for the space shuttle on two launch pads — Complex 39 at the Kennedy Space Center, Fla. and SLC-6 at Vandenberg Air Force Base, Calif.,” Pearlman told SPACE.com in an email.

Enterprise also traveled the world as a showpiece, making stops in Canada, France, Italy, Germany and England in 1983. The orbiter also journeyed to New Orleans for the 1984 World’s Fair.

In 1985, NASA handed Enterprise over to the Smithsonian Institution’s National Air and Space Museum near Washington, D.C. It still sits there today, but the shuttle will soon be heading to the Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum in New York City.

Shuttle retirement homes
Five space-ready orbiters joined the shuttle fleet after Enterprise: Columbia in 1979, Challenger in 1982, Discovery in 1983, Atlantis in 1985 and Endeavour in 1991.

Columbia made the shuttle program’s first spaceflight in April 1981 but was lost along with its entire seven-astronaut crew in a 2003 re-entry accident. Challenger exploded shortly after liftoff in January 1986, killing all seven crewmembers onboard.

The Challenger tragedy spurred NASA officials to think about sending Enterprise to space, Pearlman said.

“After Challenger was lost, NASA briefly considered retrofitting Enterprise to become its replacement, but ultimately found using the spare components left over from building Discovery and Atlantis to assemble Endeavour a more cost-effective approach,” Pearlman said.

The space shuttle fleet was grounded after Atlantis’ STS-135 mission landed this past July. The remaining orbiters are headed to museum retirement homes. Discovery will go to the Smithsonian, which is why Enterprise is being shipped out to New York.

Atlantis will be displayed at the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex in Florida, while the California Science Center in Los Angeles gets Endeavour.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/09/17/35-years-ago-nasa-unveils-first-space-shuttle-enterprise/#ixzz1YEnatoth

57. NX01 - September 17, 2011

This just in “Mark Hamill says Star Wars is Better than Star Trek”.
Of course Shatner said that Star Trek is beter. Star Trek made him a very wealthy man, and opened many doors for him.

58. Vultan - September 17, 2011

Okay, which is better: “The Last Starfighter” or “A Star is Born”?

A tough choice. I mean, I love the Gunstar’s Death Blossom but Judy Garland really hit those high notes.

;)

Yeah, it’s a ludicrous argument.
And so is Star Trek vs. Star Wars.

59. C Mosenko - September 17, 2011

What do the people here think?
1). Coolest ship?
The Enterprise A for Star Trek (the klingon bird of prey is a close second), the Super Stardestroyer on Star Wars.
2) Coolest villan?
I really liked commander Kruge
3). Phaser or blaster?
I think the phaser always looked cool.
4). Coolest space station?
The death star is so massive, I think the Borg would love to steal it
5). Hyperspace or warp speed?
Hyperspace seems to be a lot faster then warp speed.
6). Coolest droid or android?
The astromech droids make so much sense, send in a droid to fix the warp core instead of a crew member.
7). Coolest small ship?
The Millennium Falcon broke the trend on symetrical ships. Firefly, the Maquis Raider looks like a nice design too.
8). Coolest alien?
Admiral ackbar is awesome, Star Trek was guilty of funny ears noses and foreheads.
9). Coolest planet? (besides Hoth)
Remember the planet in the original series with Mr Rabbit. The holiday planet.

60. VulcanFilmCritic - September 17, 2011

This “interview” has to be taken with about a pound of salt, because it’s just something the Shat-Man blew out of his ass for a little attention. Let’s face it. He’s an old man and the spotlight is now…well let’s just say…elsewhere.

His comments are either completely ignorant or just plain mean-spirited. I don’t think he’s even seen “Star Wars” because the CGI used to create atrocities like Jar Jar Binks were not used to such a great extent at the time of the first movie. Alec Guiness, Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, Peter Cushing and Carrie Fisher are not CGI creations and they are wearing real costumes. So put on your glasses and rent the first movie, Mr. Shatner!

Now, I’m not a Star Wars fan, and in 1977, I had no intention of seeing a movie that looked like a re-tread of “Logan’s Run” with the little robots from “Silent Running.”

But to anyone who saw that first movie in the series, “Star Wars, Episode IV: A New Hope,” there was no comparison. “Star Wars” (at that time) kicked “Star Trek’s” butt to the curb. It was as if we were seeing a movie for the first time. And it was a phenomenon. Everyone I took to see it, wanted to stay in the theater for the next show, and the next, and the next…I think I saw that movie sixteen times in the theater.

To hear Dolby surround sound for the first time, to see an Imperial Star Curiser come into the wide screen as if it had passed over your right shoulder, and to be almost blinded by the flash of a light saber, provoked gasps, ooohs and ahhhs, and many cries of “Oh Sh$t!!!” from the audience.

And the story (“The Dragon-slayer”) which has been told a thousand times was told about as well as I’ve ever heard it.

However, George Lucas’ franchise deteriorated in terms of story and went from great myth to simple-minded fare suitable for children. It was embarrassing, like looking at a grown man playing with dolls. The “Star Trek” movies, however, maintained a consistent focus on stories about relationships, although they too trended towards space opera at times.
TOS was more like real science fiction.

In all fairness, though, comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges or “2001″ and “The Wizard of Oz.” “Star Trek” is science fiction; “Star Wars” is space opera. There is no scientific basis to anything that happens in “Star Wars.” It is pure fantasy that takes place in a technologically advanced environment.

And as for being derivative, they BOTH are! I just watched the two-disc special edition of “Forbidden Planet,” with commentary by George Lucas, James Cameron, and Steven Spielberg. They (and the late Gene Roddenberry) ALL ripped off that old chestnut!

61. John from Cincinnati - September 17, 2011

Star Wars is like riding a roller coaster at an amusment park. Thrilling and exciting for the few minutes it lasts but once it’s over it’s over.

Star Trek is like sitting down and reading a good novel. It makes you contemplate life and death and many other things. It stays with you.

I love them both for different reasons.

62. T'Cal - September 17, 2011

Star Track is better!! Discussion closed forever.

63. Praetor Tal - September 17, 2011

I love the Shat. Looks like him and his daughter have the same bra size. But squeeze him into a maroon jacket and I’ll keep watching till he’s 110.

64. Starbase Britain - September 17, 2011

completley agree with the shat.

Greg UK

65. Dee - lvs moon' surface - September 17, 2011

All I can say about that is… I love Star Trek and Star Wars I like a lot… will I be stoned for it?… I hope not!…..:-) :-)

66. rm10019 - September 17, 2011

Fun to hear Shatners address the issue and it kind of points out the silliness of the whole ‘debate’. There is room in this universe for both!

67. Harry Ballz - September 17, 2011

60. “Forbidden Planet…Gene Roddenberry…ripped off that old chestnut”

VulcanFilmCritic, I’ve been saying that for YEARS! Thanks!

68. Jason - September 17, 2011

george lucas cgi ruined movies forever

69. Will_H - September 17, 2011

Well I think one (Trek) is deep scifi while the other (Wars) is fun scifi. Each crosses into the other at times, but honestly its about what you want out of a franchise. I will say, though, that I think Trek is the more important of the two and has stood the test of time much better. Lucas has run Star Wars into the ground in terms of overall quality while yeah, Star Trek has been through some rough patches, its still relevant. Each, though, is so different, they’re hard to compare directly to each other. At the end of the day its all about opinion and pretty sure 99% of us on here are going to vote Trek.

70. TrekMadeMeWonder - September 17, 2011

So you’re all debating which is better? Here on TrekMovie?

Really.

71. Red Dead Ryan - September 17, 2011

#65.

“…will I be stoned for it?…I hope not!…..:-):-)”

Are you afraid of people throwing rocks at you or just reluctant to get high with your friends when you debate “Star Trek” versus “Star Wars”? :-)

72. dmduncan - September 17, 2011

Actually, Star Wars IS a children’s story. That was the whole point. After THX1138 and American Graffiti George Lucas wanted to do a children’s story of the type he fondly remembered listening to on the radio as a kid growing up. So criticizing Star Wars because it isn’t as adult as Star Trek is a little like complaining that The Lion King is not more like The French Connection. Star Wars is a children’s story AND a story for adults who still have the kid in them, much as George Lucas had when he decided to do that kind of story.

Star Trek and Star Wars are two different things, brilliant in different ways.

73. VulcanFilmCritic - September 17, 2011

@67 Harry Ballz

That’s probably why I decided to look at “Forbidden Planet” again, because I read about it here.
If you haven’t seen the two-disc special edition, buy it, rent it, or borrow it. The second disc with the documentary and the commentary is actually better than the movie.

74. Dee - lvs moon' surface - September 17, 2011

#71. Red Dead Ryan…

LOL… I don’t get high with my friends when we talked about Star Trek vs. Star Wars … actually, my friends are fans of Star Trek and Star Wars, too… hmmmm … well there is one …but he’s not a problem…+LOL

:-) :-)

75. Harry Ballz - September 17, 2011

VulcanFilmCritic, I already own a high-definition DVD of Forbidden Planet, but at some point I will check out the commentary. Thanks!

76. C Mosenko - September 17, 2011

A lot of us most likely enjoy a lot of different science fiction. We like them for different reasons, and it has never been pick one or the other. We are sci fi fans, plain and simple. Most Great sci fi rarely becomes mainstream.

77. MJ - September 17, 2011

Hey Keachick, I suppose you are going to tell me that Shatner has lost weight again. LOL

78. Harry Ballz - September 17, 2011

Here’s the thing…..if Paramount offered Shatner $10 million to drop 40 pounds, liposuct the rest, get one final facelift and then CGI the rest to make him look like Kirk of pre-Generations, just so he could make a credible appearance in the sequel, I bet you the son-of-a-gun would do it!

79. Jeffrey S. Nelson - September 17, 2011

Shatner looks almost thirty years younger than his true age. I think he’s making an effort to drop a few pounds. It ain’t easy, folks.

80. Desstruxion - September 17, 2011

78. Harry, maybe that’s what all the delays are for. To get the Shat ready for the sequel.

81. Harry Ballz - September 17, 2011

80.

I could say FAT CHANCE, but that would be too ironic!

82. Phil - September 17, 2011

@55. Well, Trekmovie ignored the 50th anniversary of the Yuri Gregarin spacelaunch, much to it’s shame, so I’m not suprised.

83. Phil - September 17, 2011

ST vs. SW isn’t an issue, it’s opinion. Fun to talk about, yes. It’s like comparing Coke and Pepsi…

84. MJ - September 17, 2011

@82. Well maybe you should check out Russianspaceprogrammovie.com. lol

85. C Mosenko - September 17, 2011

Mmmmmmmm Pepsi

86. Harry Ballz - September 17, 2011

Mmmmmmmmm Coke…………………………………………..oh, and also the soft drink.

87. DonDonP1 - September 18, 2011

15. There may not be a comparison, but there is a contrast as far as which media company owns which ‘Star’ franchise: ‘Star Trek’ is owned by CBS while ‘Star Wars’ is owned by Lucasfilm. I was once a Trekkie and a Warsie. Yet, my favorite film series is ‘Superman’ and my two favorite TV shows are ‘The Simpsons’ and the ‘Power Rangers’ (from ‘Mighty Morphin’ to ‘Samurai’).

88. MJ - September 18, 2011

@79 “I think he’s making an effort to drop a few pounds”

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

89. Lostrod - September 18, 2011

MJ and HB:

I realize it is highly unlikely that I can purchase either of you to refrain from the insulting comments about Mr. Shatner’s weight. It’s become part of your schtick or routine here, it seems.

However, as someone I assume is much older than both of you, I can attest that the actor is in amazing shape for an 80 year old. His arms still appear to have excellent muscle tone (none of the sagging common for people much younger).

Yes, Mr. Shatner would benefit from losing weight. I’m sure he knows it too. It must be hard on him, with his athletic past.

But seriously, what do you expect an 80 year old to do? Start running 5 miles a day? Pumping iron? If I’m not mistaken, he has had one or more hip replacements. There are limitations to what a man could do at certain ages to exercise to the degree necessary to lose significant weight.

I know this personally. I do PT six days a week here in Iraq. I’ve run nearly 600 miles this deployment. I eat healthier than ever. Yet I’ve only been able to lose 10 pounds this year. Age makes it harder to keep in shape.

Mr. Shatner is 21 years my senior. I’m the oldest deployed soldier in my division. I envy his energy and vitality and I SYMPATHIZE with his weight issue. I choose not to insult him and I would ask you, as a fellow Trekker, to take the higher road and put the insults behind you.

Regards,

Lostrod,
COB Basra, Iraq
Operation New Dawn

90. Lostrod - September 18, 2011

Damn auto-complete. I meant to say “persuade”. I realize that neither of you are for sale :)

91. Star trackie - September 18, 2011

Funny thing is, Shatner ,at 80, is probably in better shape than those hurling the jabs, and in a cage match would probably easily hand them their collective asses. But he’s right, Trek is a smarter show, and is my personal preference for many reasons, but the Star Wars films are loads of fun…well, most of them anyway.

92. chrisfawkes.com - September 18, 2011

“Let’s face it. He’s an old man and the spotlight is now…well let’s just say…elsewhere.”

Single dumbest thing i’ve ever read on these forums.

93. pilotfred - September 18, 2011

oh boy not this again

why via anything the only thing that matters is do you enjoy it ?

i am a trekie however i have brought the blu-ray of sta wars why becouse i enjoy them
yes the shat right in saying the storys are diffent, good why watch something like trek why not just watch trek
hopefull both will be around a very long time

94. VOODOO - September 18, 2011

The originals are both classics and the best at what they do. The spin offs (DS9, Voy,Ent) and the Prequels cheapened both franchises.

95. Irishtrekkie - September 18, 2011

@93

one benefit of star trek is i was able to get the remastered blue-rays of TOS and it had the esp without the remastered stuff too (i.e. best of both worlds)

when you compare that to star wars fans begging for the unedited HD versions of their movies.

so thats a point for star trek IMO

96. SciFiGuy - September 18, 2011

You people picking on Shat for his weight need to knock it off! The guy is OLD, ok? I’m sure I won’t care too much about what I look like at his age…if he wants to eat what he wants and gain weight…that’s cool with me. It’s not like we’re ever going to see him a Star Trek film again anyway!

I hate to burst some of your bubbles, but we all CHANGE as we get older!

97. TZFan - September 18, 2011

May I please inquire from the people who run this site, what kind of action they take when such insults and mean spirited comments are directed towards Mr. Shatner? I’m always baffled by the attitudes of certain people, but more so of the admin who should warn them about such language and set guidelines, or is bashing and making jokes after another is the norm here? either that or the admins themselves seem to enjoy reading the insults.

I’m honestly curious, so please do enlighten me, it’s staggering how immature those people can be, and you letting them go on like that.

98. Harry Ballz - September 18, 2011

89.

To paraphrase Spock from the Mirror Universe, “Captain Lostrod, I shall consider it!”

p.s. I LOVED the “purchase” bit…I thought you were hinting that you do BUY our shtick!

:>)

99. Harry Ballz - September 18, 2011

97.

Yes, of course, it should be nothing but sweetness and light on this site, with only boring platitudes spilling from our lips. YAWN!

“I try to add a little fun, a little excitement to your lives, and all you can do is complain??”

100. Red Dead Ryan - September 18, 2011

It takes “Ballz” to make cracks about the Shat!

101. Harry Ballz - September 18, 2011

Hey, I don’t care WHO you are or how OLD you are, if you’re grossly overweight and wear a tight ill-fitting shirt like THAT, to an interview that you then post online, you’re going to get comments.

102. Lord Garth, Formerly of Izar - September 18, 2011

89

1. Thank for your service and bravery.

2. As a bodybuilder with 20ish” biceps I would like to point out that Shatner still has some pretty impressive pipes for a man of his or even 30 yrs younger age. Belly aside I can tell he still works out

3. After seeing many of you borderline grotesques at various conventions and Comic cons over the years, especially the legally obese stuffed into bad Next Gen Klingon outfits, Shat is an Abrercrombie Model compared to prob just about every last one of you disgusting sows (mostly prob milking the system on disabilty)

You all have fun stuffing Wendy’s down your engorged gullets this weekend

103. lostrod - September 18, 2011

#102 Lord Garth

1. You’re very welcome. It’s an honor.

2. You get it. Mr. Shatner apparently keeps in the best shape possible for his age. Unfortunately, the type of exercises necessary to reduce the waistline are not advisable for folks who have had hip replacements.

3. I understand your point. Obesity is a growing problem. A recent study suggested that 50% of American males will be obese within 20 years or less.

At any rate, the topic of this discussion is Mr. Shatner’s comparison of Star Trek to Star Wars, not his weight.

Regards.

104. Keachick (rose pinenut) - September 18, 2011

Thank you, lostrod, for your comments.

You take extra care now, won’t you?

105. MJ - September 18, 2011

@89 “I realize it is highly unlikely that I can purchase either of you to refrain from the insulting comments about Mr. Shatner’s weight.”

I’m not insulting Shatner. I was pointing out that one of his fans (Keachick) has been making claims on this website for sometime that Shat was losing weight. And then this other guy (Jeffrey Nelson, Post #79) makes this claim that Shatner has been dieting.

This photo demonstratively proves that he is not losing weight and he obviously is not dieting. That is the point! Stop pretending the guy is not fat, people, and stop trying to convince me that he is losing weight.

106. MJ - September 18, 2011

I thin Charles Trotter get’s it — he obviously, along with the embarrassing photo at the top of this article with Shat in that tight t-shirt, chose to use the tongue-and-cheek wordplay of “Shatner weighs in…” Trotter is under no illusions here that Shat is looking very large these days.

107. Captain Kathryn - September 18, 2011

I tried to watch Star Wars a few times & could not substaniate why people liked it…to me it was boring & so much warfare…my take on Star Trek is that it was a very intelligent show &many engineers & astronauts were inspired by Star Trek…I have never heard anyone say they be came an astronaut because of Star Wars or an engineer inspired by Han Solo or Chewbacca Wookie…Star Wars was just a glorified war movie….Cannot hold a phaser to Star Trek….Star Trek was such a wonderful sow & the movie series was great too…always had a theme and a lesson for life..It will always be the leader of the two….

108. MJ - September 18, 2011

@107 “Star Trek was such a wonderful sow”

Are you referring to Shat? :-))

109. Captain Kathryn - September 18, 2011

hehehe…..I stand corrected…missed my spell check on that one….He has mellowed in his old age for sure, MJ….he has a right to be a little hefty at 80…but he sure does have speed…..;-)

110. Keachick (rose pinenut) - September 18, 2011

#105 – “I was pointing out that one of his fans (Keachick) has been making claims on this website for sometime that Shat was losing weight.”

I made the claim that Shatner seems to have lost weight since the photos taken of him and his wife on a beach in Hawaii around about December 2009. From memory, he definitely looked larger than he does now. Yes, OK, Shatner is fat, rotund. He is also fit for his age and I suspect Shatner is also careful with his diet (99% of the time) or else he simply would not have the fitness or stamina to continue doing what he does.

I guess I object to the use of the word “fat”. It may be an accurate description but it is commonly used to put down and insult people. For personal reasons, perhaps I can be a little oversensitive about this issue.
(BTW, I am a little overweight, but I am not medically obese, but I know someone close to me who is and he can do little about it and he is careful about what he eats. Not even the quack experts know what can done…).

111. Matt - September 18, 2011

@ 42

1) Enterprise E
2) Darth Vader
3) Phaser
4) DS9
5) Warp speed
6) Data
7) X-Wing fighter
8) Jadzia Dax
9) Risa

112. IneDrage - September 18, 2011

Star Trek is sooo much better than Star Wars!!!

113. Sebastian S. - September 18, 2011

By the numbers, Shatner is more or less right. Star Wars only has two really outstanding films, “Empire Strikes Back” and “New Hope”; two average to good movies, “Sith” and “Jedi”; and two really BAD ones, “Phantom” and “Clones.” All have wonderful effects, craftsmanship and music, but even within those prodigious standards of filmmaking, some of the movies are just plain better than the others.

Star Trek has more successful movies; not necessarily in box office sadly, but in overall consistency. It also has over 700 hours of mixed TV episodes (I’d say about a third or so have been good to excellent, another third mediocre, and the last third fair to poor). So despite the quality of Star Wars vs Star Trek (SW is the clear winner in overall quality), ST wins by sheer numbers.

But tastes are hard to quantify so easily. Since the two Star Wars films that really stand out for me (Empire/NH) are (IMO) two of the BEST films of ALL TIME. Sadly, none of the Star Trek canon of movies cracks my personal top ten (even Wrath of Khan is in my top 20, but not top 10).

Again, tough to quantify, and just my opinion anyway… ;-)

114. Sarah - September 18, 2011

I still wish Star Wars and Star Trek could have met up at some point in the TNG era (a movie?). I believe there’s a lot they could have done with that. It would have been a blockbuster

115. MJ - September 18, 2011

@110 “he definitely looked larger than he does now.”

Huh? This is by far the largest he has ever been. I mean, look at him. Come on!

116. Lostrod - September 19, 2011

#115 – MJ:

I remember the earlier photo he was referring to and he is correct, there is a difference. Not an earth shattering change, but a change.

But seriously, are you ever going to drop your obsession with Mr. Shatner’s weight? What benefit does it serve for you to drag up the same juvenile insults for every article related to the actor? You made your opinion known, so can you just let it go?

Let me throw in a military perspective on this weight/fitness issue. Every year, those of us in the military have to take an APFT (Army Phisical Fitness Test) to determine our physical conditioning. It basically consists of completing a required number of pushups and sit-ups in two minutes as well as running two miles within a certain time frame.

The minimum number and run time to pass is based on age. The military realizes that our physical abilities decline as we grow older. My required repetitions at my age is a third of what it was when I first enlisted a several decades ago.

As part of the APFT we have to be weighed. We are allowed to reach a max weight for our height based on age. The older a soldier is, the greater the max weight allowed. This is because the military realizes that no matter how much effort we put into exercise and diet, the typical human is going to grow heavier over time (unless you are blessed with special genetic traits).

Mr. Shatner is now in the eighties. The extra weight is normal. As myself and others have pointed out, other than his waistline, he appears to be in excellent shape. As I’ve pointed out also, the type of exercise aerobic exercise required to reduce the waistline is not an option for an eighty year old with hip replacements.

Mr. Shatner is a professional entertainer. I’m sure he is aware of his appearance and would love to miraculously meet your unrealistic standards for what he should look like.

Aging sucks, MJ. I look in the mirror and I look nothing like I did in my 20′s and I can’t do a damn thing about no matter how much exercise and dieting I do.

Aging will not be your friend either, MJ. I have no idea how old you are. Judging from some of your comments you may be twelve. Or you could be some crotchety old senior citizen in a retirement home dayroom jealous that Mr. Shatner is still active, energetic and relevant.

I’ll simply ask one more time that you show some respect for the actor despite his faults that you deem so critical. You’ve made your point already. Show us the man you are and move on.

Regards,

LostRod
COB Basra, Iraq

117. Sebastian S. - September 19, 2011

#116.

Well put! ;-)

And thanks for your decades of service. Much appreciated!
And yes, I don’t think ANY of us (least of all myself) look as good as we did in our 20s, nor will we be as relatively fit and nimble minded (as Shatner appears to be) in our 80s.

So he’s got a spare tire, so what? Why are we all so hung up on appearances anyway? Not as if he’s posing for a ladies’ magazine or anything…

118. Lostrod - September 19, 2011

#117

You’re very welcome.

BTW – joining the military was probably the second best decision I ever made (first best was marrying my wife of 40 years). I was never into sports growing up. Just the usual pre-video game “playing outside” kind of stuff. If not for the physical requirements to stay in uniform I would probably be a wreck today and definitely way overweight.

Every year it gets a little harder to keep up the regimen of keeping fit, but I’m determined to do it as long as possible. William Shatner is one of my inspirations to keep on Trekin’ …

Regards

119. Victor Hugo - September 19, 2011

I also loved Stargate Atlantis. but Dr.Weir came out sometimes as idiotic as Janeway.

120. Shannon Nutt - September 19, 2011

I can’t remember the source (it might have been Gene Roddenberry himself), but someone once said “Star Trek was around long before Star Wars came along, and it will be around long after Star Wars is gone.” Whomever said that, nailed it on the head.

121. Amorican - September 19, 2011

If Shatner keeps getting fat, soon he’s going to look like Robert Duncan McNeil.

122. Danpaine - September 19, 2011

118. Lostrod – September 19, 2011

…couldn’t agree with your comments more. I would love to see what some of these no-name hacks look like, who are oh-so brave as to mock an 80-year old man (online/incognito) for being “fat.” You folks couldn’t even shine Shatner’s boots, because you’re likely too huge to bend over and reach them. Have another Twinkie and blog some more.

Jeez, I should’ve stayed at Treknews for good. People are so much more good-natured over there.

And Lostrod, let me be another to thank you very much for your service.

123. DS9 IN PRIME TIME - September 19, 2011

I have to say that i love both but my heart is with star trek!

124. Lt. Bailey - September 19, 2011

I will always say Trek is the best only because I saw TOS on TV when it came out and grew up with that. SW came out when I was 18 and Trek was already embedded in me. Not that I do not enjoy SW, but not as much. At the local Wizard Comic Con in Anaheim back in April, I did see more SW costumes that people wore.

125. Keachick (rose pinenut) - September 19, 2011

Although I thought Star Wars could be a lot of fun, I never liked the fighting – the war – that much. I don’t have much of a problem with any of the Star Wars movies, including the prequels, however the first SW movies are the best. They are still very watchable.

I am a Star Trek gal first and foremost. I loved it from the first moment I saw the show, although my mother does remind me and my sister that the first time we saw Spock (with those ears and haircut), we ran out of the room screaming, we were that scared. All true!

I note that someone here has commented on the weight/appearance of Shatner’s interviewer in this video. It is clearly stated that the woman is Lisabeth, William Shatner’s second daughter. It is bad enough that these “fat” comments are made about William Shatner all the time. It really is another thing to start hurling them at his daughter. William Shatner has three daughters – Leslie, Lisabeth and Melanie. All three women would now be in their late 40′s/early 50′s and by now it is highly probable that all three could have had two or three babies. The effects of pregnancy is life changing and unfortunately is not always kind to women in terms of them being able to maintain good weight control.

Thank you lostrod again for sharing with us your insights and experiences on this weight issue.

126. VulcanFilmCritic - September 19, 2011

Despite what we think of William Shatner as a man, he must have been one hell of a dad! I remember reading the first chapters in one of his books, I think it was, “Star Trek Movie Memories” about how hard he had to work in summer stock just to make a living and after the plays were over, how determined he was to drive cross country in his ramshackle little trailer to see his daughters. That was all he could think about.

He also has written about how much fun he had with his family. Just look at how she looks at him and how comfortable they are together. How many families are that close? Many men have no use for daughters preferring the company of their sons. All three girls are very fortunate to have a dad like that.

127. Suellen from Savannah - September 19, 2011

Hey gravity sets in after 50 in the strangest places. Shatner is overweight but he is also has an apple shaped body Look back at the TOS series. Any wt he put on went to his middle first.

I have ridden horses and you can’t be out of shape to ride at the level and types of horses he rides. They are not old plugs, but as high strung as thoroughbreds. Riding horses takes tremendous stamina, superior upper body and leg strength and an amazing sense of balance. I guarantee you he has tremendous strength in him arm and probably could beat many men less than half his age in arm wrestling.

Also when in ones 70s and 80 lets face it everyday could be the day you die so why not enjoy all the fine foods you always wanted.

128. Jonboc - September 19, 2011

#116. Well said Lostrod. Such wisdom is a rarity on these boards, especially here. Thanks for the breath of fresh air! ( as well as a huge thanks for your many years of service to this country!)

129. Vultan - September 19, 2011

One thing Star Trek will always have over Star Wars is the central idea of embracing the most positive aspects of human nature while encouraging us to accept, or at least make the effort to accept, others for being (and LOOKING) different. I only wish some of the more reactionary Trek “fans”—and you know who you are—would practice it.

130. LoveChildofHanandUhura - September 19, 2011

Comparing Star Wars and Star Trek is like comparing a Green Apple with a Green Pear. They are not the same thing, don’t taste the same, and don’t strive to reach the same community of people. I never understood this debate. Star Wars is not Science Fiction. It’s not even really Space Opera. It’s a Fantasy Western set in space. Star Trek is pure Science Fiction. It appeals to hard-core nerds and feminists. Star Wars is geared towards a general audience. It’s populist to it’s core. That’s why more people like Star Wars… it’s designed to appeal to a broader audience.

131. chrisfawkes.com - September 19, 2011

^ Remember Star Trek was wagon train to the stars. The original western in space. That is why McCoy was nicknamed Bones.

132. thebiggfrogg - September 19, 2011

11. Sex? What is this sex you speak of?

Re: Ricky Gervais’ Extras guest starring Patrick Stewart

“You’re not married, you don’t have a girlfriend and you’ve never watched Star Trek?”
Andy: “No.”
Patrick: “Good Lord.”

133. thebiggfrogg - September 19, 2011

BTW, the correct comparison would be “tribbles over Ewoks”. I think we all know where we stand there.

134. DJT - September 20, 2011

Soooo… did anyone else catch Shatner on the Roast of Charlie Sheen?

99% perfection, until he mentioned Priceline. And even then, it was all Shatner.

135. thebiggfrogg - September 20, 2011

Roasting Charlie Sheen? My God, I’m glad I miss American TV. What is next picking up a paranoid schizophrenic and roasting him?

That said, it would be interesting to see Shatner’s take.

136. Shannon Nutt - September 20, 2011

Wow…Shatner is 80 and you guys are picking on him about his weight? Let’s see what YOU look like when you’re 80. We’ll be lucky to look nearly as good – assuming we can even remember who we are – toupee or no toupee!

137. chrisfawkes.com - September 20, 2011

Shatner to Charlie Sheen “I’m 80 and you’re only 45… so how come we look like we went to high school together”.

Shatner is great, i could not stop laughing.

138. Robman007 - September 20, 2011

It was kinda funny seeing a bunch of no-names make fun of William Shatner (and Charlie Sheen). Shat can dish it out.

Might of just been an act, but that last roaster didn’t seem to be too pleased with Shatner’s “projects” comment. Kinda got a bit uncomfortable for a minute.

139. Victor Hugo - September 20, 2011

132. haha nice Starfire impersonification.

140. Andy Patterson - September 20, 2011

@ 134-138

Yeah, Shatner was good on the roast. Good delivery. Some of these people had some good writers. Wonder if Bruce Valanche is involved in this. Maybe a little too mean spirited for him. Still funny.

141. Amorican - September 20, 2011

“136. Shannon Nutt – September 20, 2011

Wow…Shatner is 80 and you guys are picking on him about his weight? Let’s see what YOU look like when you’re 80. We’ll be lucky to look nearly as good – assuming we can even remember who we are – toupee or no toupee!”
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Oh yeah, I forgot. Shatner’s fat AND bald!! Lol at the elderly!!

142. nctrekker - September 20, 2011

#60

At age ten, I saw Star Wars the month it came out. I had a few Star Wars comics and toys etc. and I thought it was a good movie, but I didn’t think it was great and I didn’t see either of the first two sequels until they came on TV.

Funny that I was right in the target age group but it didn’t affect me like it did so many others.

Loved Star Trek though.

143. n1701ncc - September 20, 2011

Star Wars stands on its own but not next to Star Trek. Trek is miles ahead of Star Wars. Star Trek can thank Star Wars for getting Paramount to consider reviving Star Trek after the success of Star Wars but thats where the comparasions end. Let me ask you Star Wars fans out there is there anything that was created in Star Wars that became reality in our time line. Now take a look at Star Trek. Communicator[ cell phone], Tricorder [Ipad], to name just a couple. Hands down Star Trek is about the human race advancing Star Wars is just a great 6 part series.

144. Keachick (rose pinenut) - September 20, 2011

Sir Patrick Stewart went bald in his 20s. Male pattern baldness has little to do with age.

145. NoRez - September 20, 2011

Awww sweetie I can’t watch you if you’re going to wear stuff like that. Also, you’re comparing two things that are completely different in concept and both wonderful in their own ways.
I’m sure the Enterprise had Star Wars in its entertainment library…. the good ones, anyway.

Looking forward to his opinion on Space:1999.

146. jr - September 20, 2011

William Shatner weighs in on Star Trek vs. Star Wars …. and tips the scales! What does he have in common with Jabba the Hut?

147. MJ - September 20, 2011

Lostrod, you mischaracterized my point. My point was that it is now evident that those who were claiming that that Shat has been losing weight have been proved wrong by this photograph. And no, I have seen many earlier photos of Shat, and this is the largest he has ever been.

You seem to be continuously intent on changing my point to have a seperate debate about how we should not judge 80-year old people who are obese. That is a legitimate issue, but is not an issue or discussion that I was referring to in my posts here.

Also, thanks for your service — much appreciated.

148. Keachick (rose pinenut) - September 20, 2011

William Shatner has lost some weight since that photo of him on a beach in Hawaii. Actually, as with most people, his weight probably fluctuates. Anyway, why are you so obsessed with “fat” and obesity?

149. chrisfawkes.com - September 21, 2011

It’s like beauty and the geek. Trek was for the intellectuals, Star Wars for the bimbo’s.

Now Abrams has to try and make the two of them fall in love.

150. Lostrod - September 21, 2011

#147 MJ

You’re welcome.

My point is that you (and now MJ wannabes like JR) seem obsessed with attacking someone based on weight with no consideration of other factors such as age or physical impediments such as hip surgery.

But the bigger issue is yours (and others) lack of respect for Mr. Shatner and seniors in general.  It seems that no matter what the article pertains to, any mention of Mr. Shatner is an invitation for you too make a fat joke.  I was asking that you take the high road and leave insults out of the discussion.  You have more to offer this forum than that.

I was raised to have respect for my elders and to think about the consequences of words as well as actions.  I grew up hearing phrases like “If you can’t say anything good about someone, don’t say anything” and “Walk a mile in my shoes”.  Mr. Shatner has walked more miles than any of us and in the twilight of his years (although he appears to be going stronger now than ever).

God bless William Shatner.

Regards,

LostRod
COB Basra, Iraq

In the bigger scheme of things, a big issue with these discussions is the anonymous aspect.  People say things under the guise of a username they would never consider saying if they identified themselves.  But that can be saved for another discussion.

151. chrisfawkes.com - September 21, 2011

Well said #150

If we heard our kids talk of other kids with the level of disrespect aimed at Shatner we would smack them on the backside for their insolence and send them to their rooms.

152. chrisfawkes.com - September 21, 2011

I guess live long and prosper is not really a sentiment shared by all trekkies.

153. Starfleet's Finest - September 21, 2011

Does anyone use msn.com? It seems like the rest of the world is catching on to Mr. Shatner’s interview:

http://movies.msn.com/movies/article.aspx?news=670880&gt1=28130

I just got a kick out of how ‘behind’ the world is on Trek news while we, the Trekmovie community have been discussing this for days now…I felt so ahead of the curve! Ok, just thought I’d share…

@97 TZFan
Where have you been? This site has always allowed the bashing of Shatner. We, as members, should all be glad we at least have a site like this to get to be able to really discuss Trek in all its glory…even though that may include insults to Mr. Shatner. Frankly, right or wrong, complaining about things is kind of the the Trekkie way and most people take that responsibility to heart. In any case, don’t criticise the people who run the site when they are letting the fans voice their opinions, including MJ, Harry Ballz, and the like.

(PS – you think these guys are bad?? Have you ever heard of a guy named George Takei? :P I keed…)

@Lostrod
Please continue to be safe and thank you for all that you have done and continue to do. God bless.

154. ryan - September 21, 2011

Being a child of the late 70′s and 80′s it was Star Wars that moved me into becoming a fan of Star Trek. While I love the original Trek series and Bill Shatner, Star Trek as we know it today would not have exsisted without Star Wars. Before Star Wars Sci-fi was not seen as a lucrative genre hence none of the Trek films would have ever been produced and or probably any of the spin-off series as well.
Beyond that the two really aren’t related anyway; Star Wars is more fantansy in space where Star Trek is sci/fi.

155. rhatchman - September 21, 2011

I love them both (well Star Wars and 1960′s Trek anyway) but for those of you who contend that Trek is somehow more ‘intellectual’ don’t even get me started about several episodes of TNG or Voyager – there’s a big difference between challenging someone intellectually or just assuming they’re stupid.
By the way the Abram’s Trek is about as intellectual as listening to someone bang on a trash can for two hours.

156. Vultan - September 21, 2011

#155

“By the way the Abram’s Trek is about as intellectual as listening to someone bang on a trash can for two hours.”

Exactly. And which [other] franchise was Abrams trying to emulate? Yep. Two movies in one—very near to our hearts and yet somehow… far, far away… from our brains.

;)

157. John from Cincinnati - September 22, 2011

awwww Bill. After decades of being embarrassed of playing Captain Kirk, it turns out you’re proud of Star Trek.

You know, one lives long enough and one gets to witness amazing things.

158. John from Cincinnati - September 22, 2011

154.

Star Wars can’t take full credit for the resurgence of Trek. It was actually Close Encounters that convinced Paramount that sci/fi box office success was not a fluke. You can look it up.

159. Phil - September 22, 2011

I came across a photo of Shatner, Mulgrew, and Stewart a few days ago, Stewart is only a few years younger then Shatner, but the guy is solid.

160. MJ - September 22, 2011

@150. Well there you go again changing the discussion to focus on your point about senior abuse. I’m not getting into that discussion with you. My focus was on exposing the people who were continually insisting that Shat was losing weight — that factual error is all I was addressing.

Also, regarding past statements on Shat’s weight, the issue always was not whether an 80-year old senior should be fat or thin; the issue was should an 80-year old Shat, who is probably about 300 pounds in size, be given an part in the recent or the next Star Trek movie. For my part, I don’t want to see a shell of Captain Kirk that will result in chuckles in the audience of the theater I am seeing the next movie in.

161. MJ - September 22, 2011

@151. “If we heard our kids talk of other kids with the level of disrespect aimed at Shatner we would smack them on the backside for their insolence and send them to their rooms.”

And if our kids acted as pompous, entitled, and treated their classmates as poorly as Shatner has treated many of his work-mates over the years, we would similarly smack them on the backside for their insolence and send them to their rooms.

162. Charla - September 22, 2011

Wow! Nicely put, Lostrod, in all your above posts. I was taught the same, and have raised my children in this way in the hopes that someday they may take a stand for someone like you have done here, and on foreign soil if that is where life takes them.

Thank you (and all the soldiers) for your service for our country- stay safe, and God bless.

I would also like to add that some medicines required to maintain health also can cause weight gain as well. It sometimes puts a person in a catch 22 situation, at any age.

163. Lostrod - September 22, 2011

#160 – MJ

Once again you miss the point. This discussion had absolutely nothing to do with Mr. Shatner appearing in the next ST movie so you can’t use that as a lame excuse for your insulting comments about Mr. Shatner.

I’d almost forgotten about your all knowing insights into what Mr. Shatner thinks and feels also.

Obviously you will ignore my request that you take the high road and drop the irrelevant insults and continue on and every opportunity. Pity.

Have a nice walk on the low road.

Regards.

164. MJ - September 23, 2011

@163. Lostrod, you really should go into politics. All of your posts are really trying to force me into “your agenda” here of changing the topic to try to make it out like I pick on old people. Additionally, I refuse to be baited by your desperate tactics of now trying to insult me, pity me, and flaunt your supposed moral superiority over me. BUZZ..this didn’t work my friend…you got anything else you want to try here? :-)

165. Lostrod - September 23, 2011

#164 – MJ

Hmm. A discussion about Mr. Shatner’s opinions about SW vs ST and you manage to throw in a batch of comments about the actor’s weight and alleged mistreatment of co-workers. So who’s changing the topic?

I didn’t “pity YOU”. I just said “pity”, as in it’s a pity some folks can’t discuss a topic at hand without falling back on the same old lame insults. Who’s desperate now, friend?

At any rate, I will be out of the loop for awhile so I will have to let this topic go. I’ve got a long flight outta here back home with no Internet.

Regards.

166. Keachick (rose pinenut) - September 23, 2011

Sorry, but Lostrod is correct. This thread had nothing to do with discussion about whether William Shatner should appear in the Star Trek sequel. *There were also a couple of snide comments made about the weight of the woman shown interviewing Shatner. Lisabeth is not an actress. She is, by profession, a writer of legal textbooks and lawyer. She helps her father, William Shatner, when she has the time.

Nobody is flaunting some sort of moral superiority. It is just tiring to keep reading all the rude and irrelevant comments made about Shatner obvious weight problems, and comments made particularly of Lisabeth who has nothing to do with the entertainment industry, other than occasionally interview her actor father. If indeed, you do see it somehow morally superior not to constantly make comments about a person’s weight, then perhaps it might be an idea to try to act in a morally superior way yourself… or not, whatever.

* MJ – I am aware you did not make the comments about Lisabeth, but given the comments you made about the women doing some burlesque, I figure it would only be a matter of time before you targeted Shatner’s interviewer as well.

I just don’t get you sometimes.

167. MJ - September 23, 2011

@166. Please read my posts HERE on this topic. You, like Lostrod are focusing on different topics than I am. In fact, you have conveniently ignored the primary topic that I was focusing on here — these photos once and for all refute your continued claim that Shat was slowly losing weight. He’s not. So how about instead just saying to me: “Hey MJ, you are correct and I was wrong. Shat has not lost any weight at all.”

You and Lostrod can go ahead and keep trying to change the topic, but I am sticking to the point that I was trying to make here and will not be dragged into a different discussion here.

168. Keachick (rose pinenut) - September 23, 2011

The trouble is that I firmly believe that William Shatner has lost some weight since the pictures taken of him in Hawaii. I do not think it has been a lot of weight, but definitely some. In the article that went with the photos (I saw it all first in the NZ Women’s Weekly), Shatner said that he was wearing a 12-pack and would like to get it down to a six-pack. I think he has managed to get it down to around a nine-pack. So, in all honesty, I cannot say I was wrong but I do not believe that I am. If I realized that I was wrong, then I would say so.

Lostrod and I have not changed the topic. In fact, Shatner’s weight (nor that of his interviewer) has nothing to do with the topic of this thread, so why even bring up weight in the first place?

169. Harry Ballz - September 23, 2011

I think the moment Charles Trotter entitled this thread, “William Shatner weighs in…” and posted THAT particular photo of the Shat to go with it, well, it’s not much of a leap to see how some people would be tempted to make wisecracks/jokes/puns about weight. Also, you may have noticed during The Comedy Roast Of William Shatner, the roasters were constantly ridiculing Shatner about his weight RIGHT TO HIS FACE. He laughed it off for the silly inane wisecracks that they were…it’s called humour, folks!

I could say “lighten up”, but I’m afraid some people might take that remark the wrong way!

170. MJ - September 23, 2011

@169. For Christ’s sake, Keachick, look at that photo? He is the largest he has ever been. You are in denial.

171. MJ - September 23, 2011

I just reviewed the Shat Hawaii photos again, and the best case you could possibly make is that his gut is about the same as in these new photos. However, looking at both photos, I think most people would agree that he is larger now — in particular, look at his “love handles” on the sides of his stomach…they are a bit larger in this more recent photo versus the beach photo.

172. Red Dead Ryan - September 23, 2011

#169.

Hate to say it, but you make some good points there.

173. Harry Ballz - September 23, 2011

#172.

Thanks, Ryan, I appreciate that!

174. MJ - September 23, 2011

Agreed guys!

175. Tiger - September 24, 2011

Wow, even this website took a stab at his weight:

“Shatner WEIGHS IN on Star Trek…”

Et tu Trekmovie, et tu?

;D

176. thebiggfrogg - September 24, 2011

171. Keep rewinding that “Zapruder film” of the Shat in Hawaii there might be some cellulite you missed!

He’s in his 80s. He’s alive (and then some). He’s an American now and half the country are slabs of ham (I’ve got a chunk myself). He may have been an insufferable jerk to his cast mates, but he was still our James T. K. Cut the guy some slack!

177. Red Dead Ryan - September 24, 2011

#176.

You make a good point about how half the American population are now “slabs of ham”. So I guess the “ultimate ham”, William Shatner, could be considered average weight instead of fat, which is now being used to describe people who used to be called obese!

In turn, obese people are those that weigh about 700+ pounds.

“Slabs of ham” can also be used to describe people who impersonate William Shatner, not just in terms of his speech patterns, but his weight as well!

178. Robofuzz - September 24, 2011

Are there any plans to “clean up” the original 6 Star Trek movies (remove matte lines, fix some special effect anomalies, etc) and give us a grand blu-ray version?

179. MJ - September 24, 2011

BTW, I have no issue at all with Shat’s weight so long as he is refraining from his repeated attempts/whining about being in the sequel. It’s the idea of a 300-pound Shat playing Kirk in the next issue that I will have a major issue with. The real James T. Kirk would never let himself go like that…he was too disciplined.

180. thebiggfrogg - September 24, 2011

179. Huh?
Are we talking about the same James T. Kirk who would drop his black pajama bottoms for any three tentacled alien hottie in a paisley mini-skirt?

And don’t forget:
Kirk: What is this? Green leaves.
McCoy: I noiced your weight was up a couple kilos.

ST2013 (2014 or 2015 or 2016) with cameo by Shat.
Old Kirk: Hiya Bones recognize me?
McCoy: Jesus, Jim, I said GREEN LEAVES!

I think we can give the Shat grief in a few decades when we are svelte 80 year olds with 1/5 of the stamina of the Shat.

Red Dead Ryan: excellent observations.

181. Captain Tuttle U.S.S. Mash - September 24, 2011

181 said: “179. Huh?”

I believe that Robofuzz was merely wondering about if there were plans to remaster the original six movies in for blu-ray. I fail to see what effect this might have on the character of Kirk???

182. MJ - September 24, 2011

@180. You will also notice that none of the Trek novels that feature an older Kirk never have him nearly obese, and he wasn’t nearly obese when he died in Generations.

I guess maybe the Nexus caused him to get fat — yea, that would make a lot of sense! LOL

183. MJ - September 24, 2011

@180. You will also notice that none of the Trek novels that feature an older Kirk never have him XXXL, and he wasn’t XXXL when he died in Generations.

I guess maybe the Nexus caused him to get fat — yea, that would make a lot of sense! LOL

184. jp - September 25, 2011

Fat nerds on the internet making fun of Shatner’s weight??

To quote Spock, “…would that constitute, a joke?”

185. Lostrod - September 25, 2011

Greetings fellow ST fans.  I am pleased to report that I have returned from what will undoubtably be my last deployment to Iraq.  Just got back on the Internet and see nothing has really changed much.  MJ continues with his schtick about Mr. Shatner’s weight while charging myself and others of “changing the topic”.  Apparently MJ considers any discussion that isn’t his to be irrelevant as shown by his post below:

==================

@166. Please read my posts HERE on this topic. You, like Lostrod are focusing on different topics than I am. In fact, you have conveniently ignored the primary topic that I was focusing on here — these photos once and for all refute your continued claim that Shat was slowly losing weight. He’s not. So how about instead just saying to me: “Hey MJ, you are correct and I was wrong. Shat has not lost any weight at all.”

==================

In reality, none of the posts regarding the actor’s weight have anything to do with the topic of what he thinks about the SW vs ST debate.  Yet MJ hammers at it to the point that he appears to have some sort of “fat fixation”.  Out of 19 posts so far on this topic MJ has repeatedly been fixated about Mr. Shatner’s weight – comparing the actor to a sow, claiming the actor weigh’s 300 pounds, etc.

I confess that I also deviated from the topic when I responded to MJ’s initial fat comment and simply asked for him to not resort to off topic personal insults.  He has obviously chosen to ignore that and seems to have picked up the tempo a bit.  Which is a shame.

This will be my last post on this topic.  However, what I have learned is that MJ will post at least one more comment about his fat fixation so he can have the last word.

I am equally sure that any future topics that mention Mr. Shatner (and probably some that don’t) will feature MJ’s routine insults.  He appears to be unable to let it go.  What a shame.

Definition:

fixation – an unhealthy and compulsive preoccupation with something or someone

Regards,

LostRod
“Glad to be back in the USA”

186. Harry Ballz - September 25, 2011

Welcome home, Lostrod!!

187. Keachick (rose pinenut) - September 25, 2011

Glad to hear that you are back home safe and sound, Lostrod.

All I have to say is –

William Shatner brought to me via a black/white TV screen my favourite character, “my captain” Kirk. Now Chris Pine has taken on the challenge and privilege of being “my captain” Kirk, in an alternate universe.

As far as I am concerned, whatever, whoever William Shatner is/was, he is perfect just as he is with his many faults. The same applies to Chris Pine. I am grateful to both of them and I love both actors (or is it their portrayal of my favourite character? – hard to tell at times).

It’s funny that some people go on about Shatner’s fat while others comment, on what they see as Chris Pine’s thinness. At least, the ones who consider Pine to be a little thin show concern. If only the same consideration could be shown for Shatner’s more weighty problems, but alas no.

188. MJ - September 25, 2011

Lostrod, thanks for unfair slam against me…i.e, hey MJ, back from Iraq and I have to read your crap again.

I do appreciate your service, sir. But is is disingenuous of you to try to imply that as some argument point against me. Aren’t some things off limit to you here? Perhaps we just have different opinions here and we should just move on without resulting to unfair low blows like this one.?

You sir, are insulting me, and this will be my last post on this topic.

189. Charla - September 25, 2011

Back to the Star Trek vs. Star Wars:

Can you imagine what TOS would have been like if they had the technology we have now? I feel that many people of later generations have been “spoiled” to the CGI and all the bells and whistles, look at the older series/movies and think “I’ll pass” because of it’s dated fight scenes, and special effects. They miss the big picture completely.

Now that the latest Star Trek was able to utilize much of the same technology, people complain that the movie is too much like Star Wars. I wonder if that is the reason why they complain.

Though newer technology was used, knowing the old fashioned techniques were also implemented. (I loved the old fashioned effects JJ employed like the mirror with Pine and Cho on the parachute jump, the shaking of the cameras and yes, even the lens flares.)

I still love Star Trek TOS as is, and to me stands alone because of the great stories and comradery between the crew members. Star Wars appealed to me very much as a youngster and I still enjoy it today. Who can forget the sounds of the TIE fighters and how enormous the Battlecruiser looked underneath? Wow! But it was like watching a huge story book come to life, which I loved and still love to this day- it just didn’t connect with me on a personal level.

To me there is a much more basic human element that almost every episode of Trek shared that Star Wars didn’t, and that was the human need to explore and learn about the unknown. I felt as if I were a part of the exploration and not just an observer. (Might be why I took up astronomy at an early age and to this day too, idk)

In Star Wars I loved the special effects, especially at the time of it’s original release. There was Star Trek, and Space 1999. I don’t remember when Battlestar came out but watched it too. So those TV series didn’t have the abilities at the time to do what Star Wars accomplished.

Of them all though Star Trek still shines/shined because of its connection with the audience. Most of the time, Star Trek presented issues we faced during those times (and still today) with ways to possibly resolve those issues within each episode.

So, Star Trek first- Star Wars second for me.

And #149 Chrisfawkes, Yes, agree. It will be a challenge for all involved in the writing, directing and producing the new Trek movie since film making has evolved greatly (as well as the audiences) over the last few years! I feel for them- it can’t be easy.

190. K-7 - September 25, 2011

Agree that the post by Lostrod above is over the top in slamming MJ. MJ is preoccupied with Shat to a fault, but he doesn’t deserved to be treated like that. I too am uncomfortable with the inference of moral superiority with Lostrod inserting a reference to his Iraq service as a seemingly deliberate contrast to MJ’s pettiness on Shat — that is how his post comes across to me.

191. Keachick (rose pinenut) - September 26, 2011

Lostrod was not inserting any moral superiority by mentioning that he had *served in Iraq. He mentioned that, despite being physically fit and having to maintain a high degree of fitness in order to remain in the Army, age can still bring about weight gain. That is William Shatner’s position.

(*Lostrod has never made any secret of that fact).

MJ also made the comment that Captain Kirk would not have “let himself go” as Shatner has done. Well, if you watch the Wrath of Khan, it appeared that the character of Kirk was starting to “let himself go” and it was first Dr McCoy then later Spock who pulled him up…

Perhaps you are new here K-7, but MJ has been consistent in the way he makes rude remarks about Shatner’s physique (as well as that of others, like women fans who do a little burlesque for fun – “No fat chicks”). I have been coming here since about June/July last year (2010) and nothing has changed. This thread is NOT about William Shatner’s past or present physique, nor whether Shatner should appear in the next Star Trek sequel or not, but MJ has twisted the topic somehow so that we are yet again talking about Shatner’s weight rather than his comments re Star Wars/Star Trek, which is what this thread is supposed to be about.

192. K-7 - September 26, 2011

@192. Nevertheless, I found it distasteful the way Lostrod talked about his Iraq service and then immediately contrasted that with MJ’s comments on Shatner. It was like this Lostrod decided he needed to pull in his “war vet” status to put MJ in his place? That is not acceptable behavior in my humble opinion. My father was a vet, but he never found it necessary to remind strangers about his service, never mind using it in support of advancing an argument on a web site. Again, this comes across as distasteful to me.

Also, Lostrod stretches the truth by saying MJ called Shater a sow, when he just made a joke about someones typo. Why did Lostrod feel the need to stretch the truth there? These tactics certainly make is look like Lostrod is not very confident in his opinions here?

Also, I just went back and reviewed the Trek burlesque article and posts you are referring to. In doing so, I must say that I have no issue with anyone wanting to “do a little burlesque for fun,” but I agree with Red Dead Ryan and MJ that if obese women are posting videos of this on the web, then that should not be surprised if they are the subject of some ridicule. If someone is really out of shape, they should not be promoting videos of themselves half-naked on the web; it shows a lack of common sense and taste.

193. Rocket Scientist - September 26, 2011

Lostrod, Yours is a valiant effort, but please keep in mind that you’ve already done your part. Speaking as a fellow veteran, I implore you to step back and look at the big picture. The bizarre and immature rantings of a disordered individual on a message board about a fictional space franchise are small potatoes. In the grand scheme of things, this is meaningless.

194. Starfleet's Finest - September 26, 2011

@Lostrod

So glad to hear that you made it back safe! Welcome back!

@ the argument that has been going on for the 40+ posts:

You guys do realize that you’re having an heated debate about Shatner’s weight right? I guess I didn’t realize how important the topic was for this to continue the way it has (yes I am aware people just keep posting to get their points across…I was using sarcasm). Is it really that important to point out the fact that Mr. Shatner isn’t as fit as he was back in the day? I wouldn’t really think so, I mean it’s not like this is a new development. Nor is it new that people have been mocking his weight since, what… Wrath of Khan? Earlier than that?

I’m not condoning the bashing of Mr. Shatner in any way, (I’m not one for personal bashing cause frankly, it’s kind of low to point out others faults becuase I can guarantee everyone has several) but I have come to the understanding in the Trek universe that there are Shatner haters and Shatner supporters. Which ever side you’re on you will most likely never see eye to eye on that subject. Oh well, it happens but can’t ya’ll just agree to disagree before it gets to the point of insulting one another? Though I will concede that the title “… Shatner weighs in…” was inviting it… :P

Just an observation from a bystander… but don’t let me stand in your way :)

195. Keachick (rose pinenut) - September 26, 2011

#6 – “Harry Ballz – September 16, 2011
I get the impression people like to “chow down” in the Shatner household! Yikes!”

#12 – “Harry Ballz – September 16, 2011
I’ll say this for the Shat……..it takes a lot of GUTS to wear a shirt like THAT!”

These were the first two posts to refer to William Shatner’s weight and supposed eating habits of himself and his daughter. The comments had nothing to do with the thread. Post #6 was also Harry Ballz’s first post on this thread.

#77 – “MJ – September 17, 2011
Hey Keachick, I suppose you are going to tell me that Shatner has lost weight again. LOL”

Having gone back over the posts, this was MJ’s first post on this thread (which again had nothing with the subject line – ST vs SW). I had not posted anything at all at this stage, and it was addressed to me, so I answered it. As you can see, Harry Ballz and MJ commented on the particular physiques of Shatner and his interviewer, even though it had nothing to do with the topic, thereby twisting the discussion into yet another “Fat Shat Bash Fest”.

BTW, I do not like fat. I prefer tall slender men (aka Chris Pine types). However, I am not going to slag anyone off because they don’t necessarily fit my fantasies/ideals of how I would like to see males and females appear. Hell, I don’t even fit my own ideals. It is called accepting Life and that this thing called Life can throw people curlballs. We don’t all come in the same shape and size – age, body type, health (both mental and physical), life changing events like pregnancies or possibly going through a major physical and/or emotional trauma, diet, levels of exercise, along with access and knowledge all play a part in how we can look as we get older.

Should the “correct”, “perfect” weight or physique, or having what can be, to some people, unsightly acne problems stop people from having fun doing burlesque or playing a part of a distraught teenager, etc? I guess I was taught not to point at other people’s *imperfections*, or at least, not to make it too obvious to the stage where I become obnoxious. Obviously, some of you have not had the same upbringing. To quote Lostrod, “Pity”.

196. Keachick (rose pinenut) - September 26, 2011

#177 – “So I guess the “ultimate ham”, William Shatner, could be considered average weight instead of fat, which is now being used to describe people who used to be called obese!
In turn, obese people are those that weigh about 700+ pounds.”

You are incorrect and I suspect are being facetious as well.

http://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/assessing/bmi/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index

This can give a person a good indication, however bmi does not necessarily tell the whole story. Some people who have normal readings (ie having the “correct” weight for their height), can actually have higher bad cholesterol and fat to muscle ratio than is healthy for them or maybe have lower than normal good cholesterol… These can only be measured through blood tests etc.

197. MJ - September 26, 2011

@196 “MJ commented on the particular physiques of Shatner and his interviewer, even though it had nothing to do with the topic.”

Keachick, if it had NOTHING TO DO with the topic, then why did the author of the article, Charles Trotter, use the headline, “Shatner Weighs In” with the photos of Shat in a T-shirt 2 sizes to small with his gut hanging out? Do you really think Trotter used that headline by coincidence?

So Harry and I are responding to the headline directly — IT WAS IN FACT PART OF THE TOPIC as intended by the author, Charles Trotter.

@194. “Speaking as a fellow veteran, I implore you to step back and look at the big picture. The bizarre and immature rantings of a disordered individual.”

Ah, that is just great. Another post basically puling out the “war vet card” and contrasting that with my unpopular opinions as an inferred moral comparison. Why do you guys need the crutch of mentioning over and over your war vet status here? I have the utmost respect for war vets, and thank them for their service every chance I get, but that should not be used as a put-down against me on these board just becuase you don’t like my opinions on Shat.

@193 “I found it distasteful the way Lostrod talked about his Iraq service and then immediately contrasted that with MJ’s comments on Shatner. It was like this Lostrod decided he needed to pull in his “war vet” status to put MJ in his place? That is not acceptable behavior in my humble opinion. My father was a vet, but he never found it necessary to remind strangers about his service, never mind using it in support of advancing an argument on a web site. Again, this comes across as distasteful to me.”

EXACTLY!!! Rocket Scientist, me thinks you could learn something from K-7.

198. MJ - September 26, 2011

@196 “Should the “correct”, “perfect” weight or physique, or having what can be, to some people, unsightly acne problems stop people from having fun doing burlesque or playing a part of a distraught teenager, etc? I guess I was taught not to point at other people’s *imperfections*, or at least, not to make it too obvious to the stage where I become obnoxious.”

Agreed. However, where we part on this is where people submit themselves in videos on the Internet for all to see. When you do that, and you weight 400 pounds, and have fat rolls around your garter belts for all to see, then don’t act so surprised when people have fun with it and embarrass you. If someone is going to be an exhibitionist to the general public, then the should have the good sense to take into account what the reaction of the general public might be before hitting “upload” on that video where they are half-naked.

199. Harry Ballz - September 26, 2011

#195. “Fat Shat Bash Fest”

I LIKE that soundbite!! Can anybody here say it five times really fast?

200. MJ - September 26, 2011

@200…you know, it does rhyme nicely with the “Sponge Bob Square Pants” song — you could substitute the words easily and use the same tune. :-))

Shat: Are you ready kids?
Kids: Aye-aye Captain.
Shat: I can’t hear you…
Kids: Aye-Aye Captain!!
Shat: Oh! Who ate a whole pineapple under the sea?
Kids: Fat Shat Bash Fest!
Shat: Absorbent and yellow and largess is he!
Kids: Fat Shat Bash Fest!
Shat: If pompous nonsense be something you wish…
Kids: Fat Shat Bash Fest!
Shat: Then drop hints on the sequel and whine like a baby!
Kids: Fat Shat Bash Fest!
Shat: Ready?
EveryBody: Fat Shat Bash Fest! Fat Shat Bash Fest! Fat Shat Bash Fest!
Shat: Fat Shat…. Bash Fest! Haha.

201. Lostrod - September 26, 2011

#188 – MJ:

“You sir, are insulting me, and this will be my last post on this topic”

Apparently, no such luck :). Since he followed that up with 3 more rants.

For myself, I had not planned to revisit this post, but my browser defaulted to this page. I will close my participation by saying thanks to those of you who sent me well wishes and for those of you who showed great restraint and did better than I at sticking to the topic.

Starfleet’s Finest you are absolutely correct. 40+ posts regarding Mr. Shatner’s weight is 40+ too many.

For those of you had issues with my mentioning my military position, keep in mind it was primarily injected to give some perspective on physical fitness and aging. However, I am very proud of my military career and all of those I serve with and see no reason why I can’t mention it when it applies.

At any rate, now that I have a faster Internet connection I’m going to catch ip on some some other posts. Maybe MJ will even make good on his promise and move on, but I won’t hold my breath :)

Regards.
I do

202. K-7 - September 26, 2011

@202 “For myself, I had not planned to revisit this post, but my browser defaulted to this page.”

Lostrod, let me see if I am getting this straight. You are now criticizing MJ for responding again, while your excuse is that you web page automatically loaded here? That is really lame!

To remind everyone, Lostrod specifically said to us all on his most recent post:

“This will be my last post on this topic.”

I wouldn’t bother with this, except that it just seems so hypocritical to me that when Lostrod choose to post again anyway that his first post was to scold MJ for posting again despite his pledge, yet Lostrod’s post is violating his own pledge not to post again.

hyp·o·crite
noun
Definition: A person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

Lostrod, I’ve got to give you credit — despite your pledge to all of us, you can’t resist coming back here again to get one more shot against MJ, and your main argument is that he violated his pledge not to post again, but you are doing the exact same thing. This is outrageously ironic, don’t you think so?

203. MJ - September 26, 2011

Everyone, I am going to be straight up and BE A MAN about this — yes, I violated my pledge not to address this topic again. You won’t hear any lame excuses from me as to why I posted again. I broke my pledge — I admit it, and I won’t hide behind any of the “dog ate my homework” classes of excuses for breaking my pledge as others here have recently done.

204. Harry Ballz - September 26, 2011

“Can’t we all just get along??”

Rodney King

205. Keachick (rose pinenut) - September 26, 2011

#197 – “Keachick, if it had NOTHING TO DO with the topic, then why did the author of the article, Charles Trotter, use the headline, “Shatner Weighs In” with the photos of Shat in a T-shirt 2 sizes to small with his gut hanging out? Do you really think Trotter used that headline by coincidence?

So Harry and I are responding to the headline directly — IT WAS IN FACT PART OF THE TOPIC as intended by the author, Charles Trotter.”

So I take it you know Charles Trotter and his intentions when he wrote the article. Given that “weighs in” is a common expression to mean “to get involved in” or “give an opinion”, I think it is fairly presumptuous of you and Harry Ballz to believe that this author had other intentions when he used that expression. Maybe he did. Maybe he didn’t. Funny, because when I first read the article and saw the picture of William Shatner, I never made that connection. How foolish and slow of me… As for Shatner’s tee-shirt, well, I guess Shatner liked the colour and designs. You are so desperate to look for excuses to go on like a naughty little bully in the playground taunting another child who might be obese and ungainly in some way.

#197 – “then don’t act so surprised when people have fun with it and embarrass you. If someone is going to be an exhibitionist to the general public, then the should have the good sense to take into account what the reaction of the general public might be before hitting “upload” on that video where they are half-naked.”

Wow. Some people, who are grossly overweight, do look disgusting, but there is not much more disgusting than what I have quoted above. Every year, we have a Round the Bays Fun Run in March in Auckland. Thousands of ordinary people participate and run/walk around Auckland’s waterfront along East Tamaki Drive. I have not participated as I can’t cope with large crowds, NOT because I have cellulite (had it since I was 12 and not in any way overweight). The event is always filmed and is shown on the national news that evening. People are usually wearing shorts, teeshirts and trainers and they come in EVERY shape and size, and some of those people have hefty “love handles” etc. They go there to be with others to take the challenge to walk/run the course and complete it. Frankly I cannot believe that intelligent, sensitive and sympathetic people would be watching and making jeering comments about the not-so-great-looking fun runners. It is just sooo off.

Later some may take themselves onto one of the beaches and get into their swim gear to take a swim and/or sunbathe. It is possible that they will be filmed doing this. They would be a lot more naked than any of those women were. I guess I am glad that you, MJ, don’t live or come to my city, so I and others like me don’t have to worry about you making crude comments about my physique that, by your own admission, are intended to embarrass me.

It is not the sight of ungainly fat or acne or any other kind of imperfection that is literally making me feel sick right now, it is the unbelievably unkind and arrogant attitudes.

206. MJ - September 27, 2011

@207. “Funny, because when I first read the article and saw the picture of William Shatner, I never made that connection. How foolish and slow of me…”

No problem, Keachick, that is what Harry and I are here for…glad to be of assistance! :-)

As to your other comments above, it may surprise you to know that I pretty much agree with everything you said on the treatment of overweight people, except where you presume that I disagree with you and where you attempt label me some evil person. You are missing the point again though. A public event like run that is filmed is nothing like and person doing exhibitionist behavior and broadcasting that across the internet, and I know that you know there is a difference.

For example, I am overweight. Do I have any issues or concerns with going out in public and having people see me do normal activities or sporting activities, or even taking video of me doing those. No, of course not. However, if someone said told me to go naked and let in all hang out, well, I am not having any illusions that some people might have a laugh at my expense when they see me full monty. So, given that I have a brain and would prefer to avoid such embarrassment, guess what, I KNOW BETTER THAN TO POSE FOR SUCH A VIDEO THAT WOULD BE MADE PUBLIC. That is because I have two things that I use daily:

(1) Common Sense

(2) Good Taste

So, do I have something against really fat people? No! Do I have something against really fat people who expect me to watch them half-naked on the internet and celebrate their exhibitionism? Yes!

Go ahead and write page after page or alternative arguments, and keep inditing that I have something against fat people if you must, but I am not going to be changing my opinion on this. My opinion is representative of the normal and obvious opinion that most of us have, fat and thin alike, on this topic. I don’t see the point in pretending otherwise and in trying to pretend that I like seeing a 300 pounding woman doing a burlesque video that is broadcast on an internet site that I view — that is just in bad taste and is embarrassing for her and us to view.

207. Starfleet's Finest - September 27, 2011

*head-desk*

@204 Harry

I’m with you on this one… though this IS kinda amusing :)

208. Keachick (rose pinenut) - September 27, 2011

No, MJ, it is you (and those like you) who say something is in bad taste and want to embarrass someone because YOU are negatively obsessed with their largeness or whatever. BTW what is considered “normal” may not always be necessarily be healthy, right or just.

If certain people were not obsessed with fat and a dislike of William Shatner, they would not be taking every opportunity to take pokes at his portly frame.

Now that is what is really embarrassing and in bad taste. Give me those burlesque ladies any day – even if a couple were on the rather large side. At least they were out there being trekkie fans, having fun and not so narcissistic and conceited to worry about what some oaf might think of their imperfect human female figures were their act to get filmed and posted to some internet site.

209. Admiral Ackbar - September 27, 2011

Star Trek wins.

End of.

210. MJ - September 27, 2011

@210. Well I certainly admire your passion for this topic!

211. dmduncan - September 27, 2011

191. Keachick (rose pinenut) – September 26, 2011

“Perhaps you are new here K-7,”

Keachick, since K-7 has attacked me in two separate threads under identical circumstances, I looked into K-7s history here and found an interesting pattern of behavior. I posted a lengthy comment with links and quotes here:

http://trekmovie.com/2011/09/05/science-monday-backyard-supernova-newborn-stars-lunar-pizza-new-mars-crater-more/#comment-3935163

#516

212. K-7 - September 27, 2011

Re: #213 Or perhaps it’s just that I think you are a dickhead and are always wrong, so I agree with MJ a lot…yes, there is that! LOL

Seriously fellow Trek fans, I am finding it hilarious that a week after several of us exposed DMD’s “ALLEGED” sock-puppet, rm10001, the best he can do is a launch a preemptive strike against me claiming I am MJ’s sock-puppet. Come on, DMD is a sock-puppet legend now on these boards.

Let’s look at a more likely scenario here. This guy, Lostrod, who I have have seldom seen on these boards, posts like crazy all week long with put-down after put-down on MJ, while DMD never shows his face here. Then, Lostrod tells us all yesterday that he will not post here anymore. Now, abracadabra, DMD decides to visit here one day after Lostrod disappears and launches into another one of his obsessed attacks on MJ. If you can add 2+2 here folks, you get my drift here as to what is going on.

213. K-7 - September 27, 2011

In fact, see for yourself folks:

1. DMD makes one post here on September 17th. Then disappears until today’s post

2. Lostrod appears on the 18th, at the same time that MJ appears, and their argument begins.

3. Yesterday — Lostrod tells us his is no longer posting.

4. DMD finally posts again today.

214. Harry Ballz - September 27, 2011

212+213

Yes, and you can put kittens in the oven, but that don’t make them muffins!

215. K-7 - September 27, 2011

Hmm, I though “pussy” and “muffin” were actually the same thing?

216. Harry Ballz - September 27, 2011

Well, I don’t want to split hairs over that particular topic, so I’m just going to CLAM up!

217. MJ - September 27, 2011

Sheesh, this is all getting ridiculous and absurd.

FYI to all — I will not be addressing “that guy” on his latest nonsense. He is trying to bait me, as it is killing him that I will no longer participate in discourse with him. As I said before, he is like a junkie who can’t get his fix, and so he turns belligerent.

We really need some new info on the sequel. The posts on this site, mine included, are de-evolving into horse-crap and meaningless time-wasting trash.

218. MJ - September 27, 2011

Also, while I may not believe in Santa Claus, I do believe in Lostrod — his posts seem to me to be legit.

219. Harry Ballz - September 27, 2011

“horse-crap and meaningless time-wasting trash”

There’s a Transformers thread on this site??!!

How do I get the boredom out of my head?

220. MJ - September 27, 2011

Hey Harry, you still never showed me any love on my Shat — Sponge Bob Square Pants song. :-))

221. dmduncan - September 27, 2011

217: “FYI to all — I will not be addressing “that guy” on his latest nonsense. He is trying to bait me, as it is killing him that I will no longer participate in discourse with him. As I said before, he is like a junkie who can’t get his fix, and so he turns belligerent.”

1. You just did address me, breaking your promise before you even finished making it!

2. Belligerent? LOL! That’s strange. All I feel is amusement! Lots of it!

In any case, I look forward to the moment when you and your clone troopers keep your promise of ignoring me, which #217 is definitely NOT a good example of.

;-)

222. Rocket Scientist - September 28, 2011

221. dmduncan. It’s not his fault. Something in his life made him choose confrontation and hostility as his primary strategies for dealing with people. Returning it in kind is unproductive and unhealthy. Hopefully someday he finds more rewarding methods of human interaction.

223. dmduncan - September 28, 2011

223. Rocket Scientist – September 28, 2011

Probably true, but he’s doing that to someone who has a habit of standing up to people who do that. I don’t like bullies. Never did. So I have a hard time looking the other way.

224. MJ - September 28, 2011

@224. LOL. Looking forward to seeing a real post from you some day where you focus on something besides me. It’s kind of funny, for someone who is so negative about my posts on this website, all I do is see you coming in here from time to time to lay Blitzkrieg-like slams of inappropriate personal insults against me.

You need to look in the mirror, dude!

Note to all — we won’t hear from Rocket Scientist in response to my post here. Instead he will wait until an unrelated future series of posts, and then drop in with another 5-sentence very personal attack on me. That is how he rolls.

225. dmduncan - September 28, 2011

225. MJ – September 28, 2011

@224. LOL. Looking forward to seeing a real post from you some day where you focus on something besides me.

***

http://trekmovie.com/2011/09/25/sci-fi-movies-sunday-captain-america-2-thor-2-dark-shadows-terminator-5-prometheus-the-hobbit-more/

#38

http://trekmovie.com/2011/09/22/sci-fi-tv-thursday-fringe-game-of-thrones-doctor-who-terra-nova-the-walking-dead-more/

#46

http://trekmovie.com/2011/09/13/j-j-abrams-will-direct-star-trek-sequel-pre-production-underway/

# 567, 572, 576, 580, 581, 582, 584, 589, 591, 592, 597, 598, 607, 608.

Eh, that’s enough. If you and the clone troopers didn’t attack me so much I wouldn’t have to defend myself so often. So my responses to you/them are a measure of your attacks against me.

Please ignore me completely, if that’s what you need to do. I’m okay with that. And I just asked nicely, not even a hint of sarcasm.

Want a friendly word of advice, MJ? When so many different people take issue with you for the same reasons, that is actually valuable feedback that you maybe should heed. Doesn’t make you the eternal unsalvageable bad person. Means you should step back, listen, make some adjustments, and try things again a little differently next time.

226. Beagle in the Transporter - September 28, 2011

Wow, just reading all the posts here. You are all of bunch of mean losers in my opinion. You all deserve each other. What a colossal waste of time.

Get out of you parent’s basement and get a life!

227. MJ - September 28, 2011

@222 “Returning it in kind is unproductive and unhealthy”

See Rocket Scientist, he doesn’t even listen to you — and you are someone who is trying to aid him by throwing well timed personal insults my way, thus giving him a reason to continue to post his assinne treatises. And it is just killing him that I won’t respond to him directly anymore — the guy writes, writes and writes and I refuse to respond.

You said it: “returning it in kind is unproductive and unhealthy.” I AGREE COMPLETELY! You are actually on the wrong side here, my friend. Please reconsider the action of the person you are trying to defend here. You and I have more in common versus you and him.

228. dmduncan - September 28, 2011

Well, I tried. :-(

229. dmduncan - September 28, 2011

Felt sorry for ‘im and thought I’d offer some useful advice, but it probably will never seem that way coming from me.

230. Harry Ballz - September 28, 2011

C’MON, EVERYBODY! GROUP HUG!!

231. Starfleet's Finest - September 28, 2011

Wow, where am I? Oh, that’s right, trekmovie.com. How silly of me, for a second I thought it was ‘trying-to-strangle-someone-through-the-monitor-to-get-my-point-across.com’.

How is it that every other post seems to end up with someone bashing someone on a personal level for their opinion, then that person retaliates by saying how the person is incorrect, then that person gets offended and tries to get that person back, the the other has to get the last word in, but the other person doesn’t want the other person to win…see where I’m going with this? If you’re getting sick of readin the little exchange I just wrote down just imagine that on a larger scale and presto! I’ve just summurized the last half of the comment board!

If you want to just keep pickering back and forth that’s your prerogative and I certainly don’t want to stand in the way of what makes you happy, but seriously guys (or girls), just take the hit and walk away…or back button away, your choice. To be honest I kinda miss the argument over Shatner’s weight…at least that was on topic…

Ah well, I’ll probably regret throwing in my two cents into this ring, but what the hey, it was a slow afternoon :P Let the b*tch-slap fest resume! I’m gonna go get popcorn and find a good seat!

I keed….sorta :)

232. Keachick (rose pinenut) - September 28, 2011

Yes, Harry, I would, but it is the size of them ballz I worry about…

OK, gotta go, things to do, places to be, you know how it is…:)

233. Harry Ballz - September 28, 2011

I’ve got it! Let anyone who wants to continue fighting stay on this particular thread. After it disappears into the archived regions of the cyber netherworld, and the rest of us are enjoying new posts on fresh threads, the warring faction can stay locked in here forever, like Lazarus fighting himself in that gawdawful TOS episode!

Okay……..NEXT?

234. dmduncan - September 28, 2011

That’s something worth talking about. As for my own experience, people don’t talk to me in real life the way I get talked to on the internet, while I’m not any different off than I am on.

I think first of all that the internet is a tone deaf place WHERE IF I POST IN ALL CAPS YOU WILL THINK I AM YELLING. But I am not yelling, in fact. I wasn’t even slightly perturbed when I wrote that. Much of what’s important to hear is lost in translation; some things just do not translate at all.

And second, a lot of people feel emboldened by anonymity to say things to their fellow men and women that they would not ordinarily say face to face, so the internet becomes a brutal environment where people can anonymously wear a different and less attractive part of their personalities, which gives you a look at what really lurks under the surface of society.

Still, all things considered, go to any political news story that has talkbacks and you will see that things do get much much worse than they get here.

So I don’t worry about it too much. But yes, this is a reason why active and fair moderation is necessary, or things get like the old west. And I sent emails requesting moderation, but it doesn’t look like anybody is listening. Unfortunately, if you have a website with high traffic and strong emotions related to the subject matter, then you can count on having to moderate it.

235. dmduncan - September 28, 2011

Awesome NEW news. I just got an email from AMC saying that from September 30 to October 6 there will be a showing of Star Trek in IMAX again at AMC theaters.

Punch in your zip code to see when it’s playing in your area:

http://www.amctheatres.com/Movies/Star_Trek__The_IMAX_Experience/

236. MJ - September 28, 2011

@235. Yes, it is getting to that point, Harry. I’ll just say that I agree completely with you on this and will spare you having to read five lengthy paragraphs that just confuse and belabor the issue further.

237. MJ - September 28, 2011

@233 “If you want to just keep bickering back and forth that’s your prerogative and I certainly don’t want to stand in the way of what makes you happy, but seriously guys (or girls), just take the hit and walk away…or back button away, your choice. To be honest I kinda miss the argument over Shatner’s weight…at least that was on topic…”

Well said. Based on your post here, and Harry’s post just made, I am ready to do my part and implement a cease-fire here, assuming others will also step up the plate likewise.

238. Keachick (rose pinenut) - September 28, 2011

Harry, I was not fighting. I guess you took my comments re your size the wrong way…ooops, sorry. I always thought men liked the notion of someone commenting on the possibility of them being “big”…:)

I am not much different on this site than when I am on any other site or off the internet altogether. OK, I am a bit emboldened when it comes to me making *suggestive* comments or how I might refer to Chris Pine photos etc sometimes (I can’t help it – I mean, he is sort of irresistible) but that’s about it. What you see/read is what you get. I know – a bit boring sometimes, and even incomprehensible to some…Oh well, what can I say?

239. MJ - September 28, 2011

@240. Keachick, even though we disagree from time to time on some things, I ALWAYS respect your opinions and appreciate your thoughts and passions on Trek.

240. Beagle in the Transporter - September 28, 2011

MJ — Post 239. That’s a good start from one of you at least. Peace has to start somewhere.

241. Beagle in the Transporter - September 28, 2011

The numbers on these posts are all messed up. Is anyone else seeing the post number off by “2″ sometimes here? My post above was meant to be in responding to the cease-fire idea, which was originally in Post 239, but now I see it as Post 237. Very strange???

242. MJ - September 28, 2011

@240. Thanks, and I apologize that you had to see this entire series of posts here, mine included.

FYI to all. I had also previously requested moderation for this situation, but no one appears to be monitoring this website anymore.

Time to move on….

243. MJ - September 28, 2011

Yes Beagle, something screwy is going on here with the numbering. My post immediately above this post was intended to be responding to your post, not Keachick’s post, which I had already responded to.

244. dmduncan - September 28, 2011

See? All’s well that ends well, and maybe some small good will come out of it so it wasn’t a total waste.

245. Keachick (rose pinenut) - September 28, 2011

It is possible that the numbering is going askew. It’s a sign that the door is open and nobody is at home…

We need an update on the progress of that long awaited movie. For instance, is Chris Pine learning all those Kirk maneuvers?, Quinto needs to work on that Spock word, “Fascinating” a little more and also, has the BEAGLE puppy been cast yet?
You know, stuff like this…

246. dmduncan - September 28, 2011

246: “For instance, is Chris Pine learning all those Kirk maneuvers?”

Well I HOPE! He’s going to need some practice to get that flying drop kick down right.

247. Harry Ballz - September 28, 2011

Keachick, I never said YOU were one of the people fighting, now did I? :>)

248. MJ - September 28, 2011

@249. LOL, Harry. Now look at who’s the trouble-maker! :-)

249. Harry Ballz - September 29, 2011

ME?? NEVER!! :>)

250. Jasper - February 14, 2012

Nobody likes the star wars.

251. light up shoes for adults - February 24, 2012

I have enjoyed reading because you have wrote a excellent point in this article. Excellent job!

252. Captain Evans - April 18, 2012

I love both for very different reasons. Both the universes are very fascinating

# 42

1). Coolest ship?
2) Coolest villan?
3). Phaser or blaster?
4). Coolest space station?
5). Hyperspace or warp speed?
6). Coolest droid or android?
7). Coolest small ship?
8). Coolest alien?
9). Coolest planet? (besides Hoth)

1) Hmmm probably USS Kelvin or the nu Enterprise
2) The Klingons from TOS
3) both
4) spacedock from nu movie
5) both
6) Data (although I like R2 too)
7) the nu movie shuttles and the runabouts
8) Hard to choose, it’s tie between Spock, Worf, Jadzia Dax, Luke Skywalker (yeah I kow he’s a human but from a galaxy far far away) Mara Jade Skywalker, Seven of Nine (half borg/half human)

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