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JJ Abrams Sells Thriller Pilot To NBC + Orci & Kurtzman Sell Drama Pilot To CBS September 29, 2011

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The Star Trek team are still at work getting ready to make the Star Trek sequel, but they have also been making some news in TV Land. Writer/producers Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci have sold a pilot script to CBS, while producer/director JJ Abrams has sold a pilot to NBC. Details below.

 

Abrams and Orci/Kurtzman already selling new TV shows for 2012/13

Star Trek writer/producers Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman have cut their first TV deal for the 2012/2013 season. Deadline is reporting they have a script commitment deal with CBS for a new "female-centered, character-driven drama." Deadline offers these details for the untitled project:

Written by Anna Fricke, the untitled project is based on Robyn O’Brien, an author, researcher and mother of four who has become an unlikely advocate for cleaning up the food supply. It centers on a congresswoman, wife and mother who fights for the underdog.

Kurtzman and Orci would be executive producing through their K/O Paper Products production company, which has a TV development deal with 20th Century Fox.

And while JJ Abrams has turned his feature film focus at Paramount to the Star Trek sequel, he still has a deal with Warner Brothers to produce TV shows and this week he sold his first pilot for next season to NBC. According to The Hollywood Reporter

Abrams and NBC are developing Revolution, which is described by Deadline as "an epic adventure thriller." The series comes from Supernatural creator Eric Kripke, who is writing the pilot. Abrams and fellow Star Trek producer Bryan Burk join Kripke as executive producers on Revolution. The show would be produced by Abrams Bad Robot production company. The commitment from NBC shows they are still interested in working with Abrams, even though he admits he "f–ked up" with the ill-fated Undercovers in 2010 on NBC.

Star Trek team’s 2011 TV shows premiere ratings

The fall season has started and the ratings are in for the various TV shows from the Star Trek team. The mysterious Person of Interest from Abrams, Burk and Jonathan Nolan premiered last Thursday on CBS to mostly positive reviews and good ratings, coming in first in total views (13.2m) and second in the key 25-44 demo. And the second season of Hawaii Five-0 on CBS, developed by Orci and Kurtzman, is doing well, with two episodes so far, both winning their time slots. As for Fringe, created by Orci, Kurtzman and Abrams, the fourth season kicked off last Friday with mixed ratings which were down 21% from last year’s premiere but 25% up from the season finale. It looks like Fringe is destined to always be "on the bubble."

  

Comments

1. Dee - lvs moon' surface - September 29, 2011

OK… but I’m still waiting fo the announcement for Trek Sequel…

I hope I’m not being inconvenient… but I have been very patient lately, you know…LOL

Hellooo Mr. Bob Orci!!!… :-) :-)

2. dmduncan - September 29, 2011

“Written by Anna Fricke, the untitled project is based on Robyn O’Brien, an author, researcher and mother of four who has become an unlikely advocate for cleaning up the food supply. It centers on a congresswoman, wife and mother who fights for the underdog.”

BAM! Now THAT’S the kind of thing I’m talking about. Good luck with that, Bob!

3. trekker 5 - September 29, 2011

Ok,this is great for them. Now,I wanta hear some Trek 12 news guys!! I’m beggin’ here!! Mr.Orci,if your out there some where and read this,I’d love to know how your doing with Trek,please!

4. Craiger - September 29, 2011

Man if they are really indemand! If they are going to have to many projects going on the Trek sequels will get interrupted.

5. Battle-scarred Sciatica - September 29, 2011

Bloody hell.

Has Trek died or something?

Wheres the Trek news TrekMovie?

Just askin’.

Still Trekkin’.

6. Craiger - September 29, 2011

I forgot to add I do like them working on Hawaii 5-0. I hope they don’t get rid of Kono. I hope she can be cleared and get back to 5-0.

7. Desstruxion - September 29, 2011

Maybe the sequel will be called “Scrap Trek.” Seems like these guys have a lot of other stuff going on. I’m thinking 2016 now.

8. dmduncan - September 29, 2011

Bob, I am sure you are very aware that you have there the perfect “in” to talk about so much, and that’s exciting news. Please, please, please don’t do the Aaron Sorkin West Wing thing. Make it real. You have the perfect vehicle to point out the left/right fallacy rather than to perpetuate it.

9. VOODOO - September 29, 2011

Yeah, this is cool and all, but when are we going to get moving on Star Trek?

10. NCM - September 29, 2011

Kudos to the Court on all their projects. Keep meaning to check out the series they’re involved in, but I’m out of the habit of watching TV; since Law and Order ended and we got dish, sate lite, whatever. One has to be a regular user to recall which button on which controller to use when, must follow changing schedules for programs, and endure the commercials. Given all the options online, I’m surprised anyone watches TV any longer. However, I’ll quickly reconvert and master the controllers should Trek return to the tube.

11. boborci - September 29, 2011

3. Steady as she goes…

12. MJ - September 29, 2011

Great, the same old crap about OTHER projects. A metaphorical “cha-ching” for their bank accounts, but a corresponding “toilet flushing sound” for us Trek fans.

13. Jason - September 29, 2011

why doesn’t he just make the star trek movie instead of selling thriller pilots

14. Dee - lvs moon' surface - September 29, 2011

#11. boborci …

Hmmmm…. all right then…. :-) :-)

15. AJ - September 29, 2011

I, for one, limit my TV to cable news, Stewart/Colbert, and, my guilty pleasure, “Gordon Ramsay’s Kitchen Nightmares.”

Let’s get the new flick front and center, if this isn’t just that: selling all new projects right now to focus on Star Trek.

Looking ahead to the third “Star Trek” film, it’d be nice to have an up-and-coming approved second team who can take it over, and get work started on it more efficiently.

Sure, absence makes the heart grow fonder, but the time horizon for the average movie-goer/non-fan who saw ST09 has been exceeded, and brand-equity is steadily leaking from JJ’s take on the franchise.

16. MJ - September 29, 2011

“Steady as she goes” probably means summer 2013. I was hoping for a modest “Warp 2,” aka Christmas 2012.

17. C Mosenko - September 29, 2011

Korr and kang have been looking for their moment to take revenge on the Romulans for the destruction of the 20 Klingon warships. It takes time to plot revenge properly.

18. MJ - September 29, 2011

@15 “Looking ahead to the third “Star Trek” film, it’d be nice to have an up-and-coming approved second team who can take it over, and get work started on it more efficiently.”

Well put!

19. Harry Ballz - September 29, 2011

Bob Orci saying, “Steady as she goes” is a subtle hint that there will be a space pirate sex scene where a character named British Naval Dude will yell, “Thar she blows!”

20. BritBoy - September 29, 2011

Although I believe the current Trek Team ooze quality and passion for the franchise, it does seem evident they simply have way too much going on in their own seperate professional lives to continue any sort of momentum. It must be some effort for them to even come together and get things rolling properly, as we saw this Spring/Summer as JJ was busy with Super 8 while the writing team were busy…writing. Some kind of momentum surely needs to be maintained, at least more than the 4 years were are potentially looking at?

21. BritBoy - September 29, 2011

As a fan yourself Bob, surely you must understand the frustration we all feel? Saying that Im sure all here appreciate the passion you put into the 2009 movie, it was evident on screen…thank you.

22. AJ - September 29, 2011

19:

Harry, let’s hope so. “Steady as she blows…”

23. Odkin - September 29, 2011

“…is based on Robyn O’Brien, an author, researcher and mother of four who has become an unlikely advocate for cleaning up the food supply. It centers on a congresswoman, wife and mother who fights for the underdog. ”

Oh good – Hollywod is SO good at environmental science. Remember Alar, the fake poison apple scare? How about DDT and all the blood now on the hands of it’s foes due to malaria outbreaks? Are they going to regurgitate the scary lies about GMO “frankenfoods”?

When are they going to tackle the deadly menace of dihydrogen monoxide – the chemical responsible for more deaths than any other, that is present in ALL our food (www.dhmo.org)?

Oh, and Robyn O’Brien? Just another liberal HuffPost scaremongering fraud.

When will Hollywood EVER glamorize people who stand UP for America instead if ruining it?

24. Harry Ballz - September 29, 2011

22.

AJ, I’d say that’s a low blow, but then again, is there any other kind?

25. Vultan - September 29, 2011

#23

Dihydrogen monoxide is dangerous. It’s in all our oceans and lakes. Even in our homes. Next thing you know it’ll be falling from the skies!

26. MJ - September 29, 2011

@21 “As a fan yourself Bob, surely you must understand the frustration we all feel? Saying that Im sure all here appreciate the passion you put into the 2009 movie, it was evident on screen…thank you.”

As critical as I have been (and justifiable so in my opinion) of Orci and the Supreme Court regarding their “can’t get their shit together” planning regime for the sequel, let me state unequivocally that I still LOVE Trek 09 and the great job that they did on it, and I still do have confidence that CREATIVELY the sequel is going to be awesome. I just want to see the see the damn thing sometime before 2015.

The love is their from me Bob, but seriously dude, you guys need to get rolling here, and the communication from you guys on the Supreme Court on what is going on with the sequel needs to start here at some point in an organized and non-confused manner.

27. dmduncan - September 29, 2011

23: “When are they going to tackle the deadly menace of dihydrogen monoxide”

Well who says that they won’t? The show is a VEHICLE to do exactly what you suggest. Or at least it CAN be. And you can make suggestions right here and now about it. This is the time and place to do so.

But what “scary lies” about GMO foods are you referring to? They are still controversial and should be. So GMO foods should be labeled as such so that people can make informed choices, and not be treated like cattle eating out of a public trough and just never-you-mind what’s in it because that information is on a need to know basis and you, Mr. Average American, do not need to know.

Seems to me that if you lobby politicians to keep foods unlabeled, then you are awfully concerned that people will be patriotic Americans and vote with their dollars by buying something else, and you don’t want them to have that choice. Why is giving people fewer choices standing up for America?

What’s so patriotic about being treated and acting like a cow? What’s so patriotic about blindly trusting that a multinational conglomerate like Monsanto has your best interests in mind? Do tobacco companies have your best interests in mind?

“When will Hollywood EVER glamorize people who stand UP for America instead if ruining it?”

Actually, that’s what they did when they made movies about Erin Brockovich and Homer Hickham. I don’t know what “America” you are talking about, but I have a hard time believing it’s the one in which Bush-Obama order the accidental deaths of innocent children by drone strike in countries we are not even at war with.

Those are occasions I just can’t seem to rise for.

28. Harry Ballz - September 29, 2011

Bob Orci

I have a bone to pick with you. This season on Hawaii Five O, you have a new character played by Lauren German.

Why does Hollywood always cast a skinny, gorgeous model type to portray a supposed federal agent?

Wouldn’t it be far more credible if the woman playing the part looked reasonably attractive, but still came across as REALISTIC for the part they’re playing?

Lauren may be competent as an actor, but she DOESN’T LOOK LIKE A FEDERAL AGENT!!!!!

Is Hollywood so friggin’ shallow that they feel compelled to cast a bimbo EVERY TIME to attract ratings?

Honestly, Bob, I’d really like to hear your take on this……

29. Vultan - September 29, 2011

#28

Agreed! It seems more and more TV shows are pulling their cast members from J. Crew catalogs. Federal agents don’t have to be ugly-ugly but Hollywood ugly would be refreshing.

“I’ve been called ugly, pug ugly, fugly, pug fugly, but never ugly ugly.”
—Moe Szyslak

30. Odkin - September 29, 2011

@27 dmduncan

Yes, they definitely need to address the dangers of DHMO (www.dhmo.org). Like #25 said, it’s in all our oceans and lakes, and is present in the bodies of every cancer sufferer! In one test, it was shown to be powerful enough to corrode metal. Thousands die every year – even babies – from just INHALING this deadly substance! (www.dhmo.org).

I sure hope this new TV show tackles the urgent DHMO problem in a rational knowledgeable way instead of their usual liberal anti-business anti-job way!

31. MJ - September 29, 2011

@28. Harry, have you seen “Person of Interest” yet? Just watched episode 2 tonight. It is a pretty strong show. Jonathon Nolan (Chris Nolan’s younger brother) is at the helm (creator and writer, and Michael Emerson and Jim Cavezial are outstanding in it.

32. Harry Ballz - September 29, 2011

@31.

Not yet, MJ, but I will check it out.

33. boborci - September 29, 2011

28. We have wonderful producers and casting directors who do their job of finding the best person available for the jobs we have and i rarely second guess their judgement.

34. Harry Ballz - September 29, 2011

33.

Bob, I sincerely appreciate the fact that you took the time to answer my query. Kudos!

Tell me, have you had the time to read THE GRASSY KNOLL?

35. Christopher Roberts - September 30, 2011

“Female-centered, character-driven drama” = music to Executives ears these days. Too bad I’ve got y chromosomes really. I see a real imbalance in programming these days.

36. Jim Nightshade - September 30, 2011

just listened to coast to coast george neary–scary stuff in japan with the radiation levels–apparently japans govt takes readings from skyscrapers instead of the ground n only measure one type–a scientist living in japan said readings are ten times higher n that as a society japan would not report this–they are in denial–its going to be in everything from fruits n veggies to livesrock–other countries are not going to want products-i might need to get a geiger counter for my nintendo games-he says this sounds like a near death knoll for japan–n many who can will be radiation orphans n leave japan if they have the money to protect their kids etc–we should somehow help them–instead of spending our money killing others in afghan etc–do something positive for world-wish thee was an enterprise that could easily remove radiation from lg area-

37. Upchuck McNuggets - September 30, 2011

I think I’m more offended of Orci taking time away from Trek to respond to Harry Ballz…

38. Doug - September 30, 2011

Uh, sure, we’re working on the new Trek… …But look over here, at this other stuff that’s has nothing to do with it! LOOK!!! LOOOOOOK!!!!!

39. Jas_montreal - September 30, 2011

@33 (bob)

Not second guessing is part of the problem. You should question it all… If it doesn’t seem logical, then why…

No one questioned or second guessed George Lucas with the star wars prequels….. Look what happened there ;)

40. Desstruxion - September 30, 2011

Erica Durance would make a great federal agent.

41. Hugh Hoyland - September 30, 2011

Wow these guys are prolific!

There all over the place. Keep up the good work.

And not that your busy or anything but get that new Star Trek series up and running to, when you have the time. ;]

42. Hugh Hoyland - September 30, 2011

Their*

43. Schiefy - September 30, 2011

In related news (related to “LOST”) Carlton Cuse also has a new show:

http://www.deadline.com/2011/09/abc-buys-spiritual-drama-from-lost-exec-producer-carlton-cuse-and-pastor-rob-bell/

44. Ivory - September 30, 2011

Money aside why would talented and in demand writers like Bob Orci and the other Star Trek guys even be interested in doing semi cheesy tv programs when they could be doing films?

45. Chadwick - September 30, 2011

Its the end of the month, I wouldn’t mind hearing about the progress of the movie and not their TV shows which have nothing to do with star trek.

46. stargazer54 - September 30, 2011

Ever get the feeling they are just waiting for certain TOS cast members to fall off the radar? Busy or no, they are definitely on hold over something.

47. Silvereyes - September 30, 2011

#28 Harry said:

“Is Hollywood so friggin’ shallow that they feel compelled to cast a bimbo EVERY TIME to attract ratings?”

Huh, you just noticed that? Does 7 of 9 remind you of anything? Hollywood isn’t shallow, it’s the viewers who are (and shallow is putting it mildly). The demand is there so they up the supply. What else do you expect them to do?

48. Harry Ballz - September 30, 2011

Silvereyes, I know what you mean, BUT for playing a federal agent, why not cast a woman who looks more like Maria Bello in Prime Suspect? It would be more logical and make the show that much more real. Nah, I guess that makes too much sense.

49. Silvereyes - September 30, 2011

Harry I agree with you 100%. It’s not about sense, it’s about $$ and the ever dwindling IQ of the television viewer.

50. Silvereyes - September 30, 2011

I’m reminded of that Enterprise episode where T’Pol and Tucker are smearing each other with decontamination gel… Come-freakin’-on! Can you at least be subtle about it? The only reason Blalock was casted as T’Pol was for ratings and nothing else, but did they really have to throw it in our face constantly?

51. VOODOO - September 30, 2011

Harry #28
Ivory #44

Great point. Having near supermodels play all these roles (see Lauren German, Grace Park etc..) makes these cheesey programs even more plastic/90210ish than they already are.

Network tv in general just doesn’t do it for me. It’s nearly always aimed at the lowest common denominator. It would hurt my brain to watch 95% of what is on broadcast tv. I mean how can an adult of even avg intelligence watch trash like “Two and a Half Men”, “Grey’s Anatomy” and “NCIS” ? I just don’t get it?

Cable networks like HBO and Showtime put the broadcast networks to shame on a regular basis.

I was thinking the same thing as Ivory was as far as why would such in demand people want to bother with network tv mediocrity?

52. Harry Ballz - September 30, 2011

VOODOO

the only reason for movie people dabbling in TV is dollars. Once you set up a TV production and leave people to run it, you can go back to what your main priority is, and if the TV show has a long run and sells into syndication, the owners of the show are looking at possible BILLIONS in residual dollars.

Talk about the ultimate passive income. Where do I sign up? :>)

53. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire. - September 30, 2011

Hey Bob. You guyes are doing a fantastic Job on Hawaii Five O. Keep up the great work.

54. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire. - September 30, 2011

Hey Harry. With Hawaii Five O. Bob Orci is Rolling in the Dough.

55. rm10019 - September 30, 2011

Can’t you two just email each other instead of chatting here on a public posting?

56. DS9 IN PRIME TIME - September 30, 2011

Bob I would like to know if you and your team are thinking of bringing star trek back to tv.

57. Craiger - September 30, 2011

NCIS, NCIS LA, Hawaii 5-0 are great shows. Don Bellariso created NCIS and he has also done Quantum Leap and Airwolf and JAG. I liked those shows also.

58. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire. - September 30, 2011

#57. N.C.I.S was a Spin Off of J.A.G. Great Shows.
Now if we can only get a New Star Trek T.V Show.

59. VOODOO - September 30, 2011

Craiger #57

The Soprano’s, Six Feet Under, True Blood, The Wire, Battlestar Galactica, Dexter etc…Are “great shows”

Shows like NCIS, Hawai 5-0, Grey’s Anatomy etc, are dumbed down brain candy for the masses. Are you a fan of “Murder She Wrote” and Fly Girls LOL?

I’m sorry I don’t mean to sound like a jerk, but my point is that 98% of network tv is really trash.

60. Daoud - September 30, 2011

Bob, good luck with “Life of O’Brien”….
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Please though, get a Naren Shankar-level physicist/scientist on board early as a science adviser. It’s fine to have envirojeopardy week after week, but do it right if you’re going to do it.
.
I’d hate to see “enviroscare of the week” plots. Why, the titles could be Friends-like with “The One With DDT”, “The One With DHMO”. Hmmm, though it would be interesting to have an episode where some congresscritter took the DHMO situation very seriously and got a bill moving to ban the addition and use of DHMO in food cultivation!

61. MJ - September 30, 2011

@57 @58. Come on guys, those shows are good, maybe very good, but great? For me, rising to the level of “great” on TV would be shows like TOS, Gunsmoke, Rome, Babylon 5, DS9, Alfred Hitchcok, Twilight Zone, All in the Family, Mary Tyler Moore, Bob Newhart, Cosby, The Honeymooners, I Love Lucy, Bonanza, original Hawaii 5-0, WKRP in Cincy, Lost, Jericho, Roots. Those shows were “GREAT!”

62. Odkin - September 30, 2011

I have no problem with shows being aimed at the “lowest common denominator” as someone above suggests.

The problem is that Hollywood perpetually misunderstands what that denominator is.

They think America wants to see only pretty people. Well, if the show is specifically about a pretty character I guess that’s true. If the show is a crime drama, then the fact is we want to see an INTERESTING and BELIEVEABLE person.

Take the pretty people on Hawaii Five O. Can anyone argue that Jack Lord wasn’t more interesting?

Could a Jack Klugman, William Conrad or Peter Falk even have a chance on TV any more?

As far as the vacant interchangeable women they cast, that’s even worse. Unless it’s a show about a fashion model beauty like Honey West, beauty just detracts from the believeability, and they wind up with a stereotype paper doll who talks tough.

63. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire. - September 30, 2011

Hey MJ. Thos are great Shows. But you forgot M.A.S.H. Now that was a Great Show.

64. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire. - September 30, 2011

MJ You also forgot High Chaperal, The Big Valley, How the west was won. Sanford and Son and the Waltons. Good Night John Boy.

65. VOODOO - September 30, 2011

Harry #52

I hear ya. I’d sign up with you. Maybe we can work on a sitcom together.

Here’s the pitch… We get Brian Dennehey to play a crusty old conservative retired cop and Marilu Henner playing his slightly younger ex hippie wife solving crimes while raising their teenage kids…I’m thinking we cast Snooki and Mario Lopez (I understand that Lopez is pushing 40, but this always happens in film and movies) as their crazy kids.

As the wacky neighbors I want Andy Dick and Wanda Sykes…I see Dick as an effiminate troublemaker who always butts heads with Dennehey’s macho guy and Wanda Sykes to play his wife and best friend to Henner’s character…Maybe we could come up with a catch phrase for her? How about Child Please everytime Dennehey says something that upsets her? I’m thinking of the two of them as the modern day Fred Sanford and Aunt Esther.

We also need a great theme song along the lines of “Moving on Up” from the Jeffersons is Jack Jones alive to perform a “Love Boat” like tune? How about a macho tune for Dennehey’s character kind of like the Fall Guy theme song…Maybe we could even have Lee Major’s perform it? The possibilities are endless.

Anyway, you and I could make millions off of this idea. We could write an entire episode in about 11 minutes filled with every cliche known to man and sell it to Fox…I guarantee you the public will eat it up : )

ps: I am home sick today and have far too much time on my hands.

66. Vultan - September 30, 2011

#62

“Could a Jack Klugman, William Conrad or Peter Falk even have a chance on TV any more?”

Of course! There are plenty of roles for fathers, grandfathers, judges, next door neighbors, bartenders, and old guys in backgrounds.

Hmm… I wish I could laugh at that… but it’s a little too sad to think about. Klugman, Conrad, and Falk were great actors, and thank God they were in showbiz when big noses, big waists, and squinty eyes were still acceptable. I mean, a leading man today with all those traits—yeah, ain’t gonna happen…

:(

67. Daoud - September 30, 2011

@66. Thank goodness for John Noble and the continuation of Fringe. How I’d love to see John lead a new show as a detective of the Klugman/Conrad/Falk/Burr type….

68. VOODOO - September 30, 2011

62. Odkin

I agree with you 100%

Would guys like Jack Klugman, Carol O’Conner, Jackie Gleason or even Leonard Nimoy or DeForest Kelley make it on tv today while trying to compete with the FAR LESS interesting, but much better loooking actors of today?

As ST fans we can’t throw stones. Why do you think Jerry Ryan and Jolene Blalock were hired as series regulars? Any coincidence that the quality of those series was not up to the original TOS which starred such lookers as Jimmy Dohan, Leonard Nimoy, George Takei and Dee Kelley?

Shows like Hawaii 5-0 with their supermodel casts are plastic and will never resonate with the public compared to some shows of the past that had great actors, but only avg looks.

69. VOODOO - September 30, 2011

Along the same lines superior talents like Mick Jagger and Bob Dylan would never make it in the music business today… Is it any wonder that less than mediocre talents with supermodel looks like Katy Perry, Carrie Underwood and Rihanna are on the radio 24 hours a day?

70. Craiger - September 30, 2011

#61 I liked B5, DS9. The Shadow War and the war to take back Earth were great. The Dominion War was great also. I also liked the original Knight RIder, Greatist American Hero, Airwolf, Seaquest. #58, I also know that NCIS was a spinoff of JAG.

71. Craiger - September 30, 2011

#68 Did you see that Grace Park was in the BSG? I thought she was a great actor in that and Hawaii 5-0.

72. Craiger - September 30, 2011

#59 I don’t like Murder She Wrote never watched it. What is Fly Girls?

73. Craiger - September 30, 2011

I think the next Trek series will have to have at least 10 Million viewers or more per week to justify keeping it on the air because it would be one of the most expensive shows on TV if not the number one expensive TV show to make.

74. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire. - September 30, 2011

Quincy and Dragnett and Adam 12 and Emergency were also some great shows. Also. There was this one show for 2 seasons produced by Jack Webb called Project U.F.O. Now that was a great show. But those shows today simply would not make it. Because most people now want this so called reality T.V I watch T.V to escape reality. Not watch it.

75. dmduncan - September 30, 2011

30. Odkin – September 29, 2011

Oh dude that’s not even funny. A flimsy prank to play when someone gives you tentative good faith in an informal atmosphere that you were being serious, when the context is serious, just to make a fallacious point.

If you post a false newsflash with a bogus link that someone just flew airplanes into the Empire State Building, and people clicked on it to check, what does that prove?

The hoax has to stand up to scrutiny to prove something, not collapse immediately.

76. MJ - September 30, 2011

@62 “Could a Jack Klugman, William Conrad or Peter Falk even have a chance on TV any more?”

Ted Danson and Lawrence Fishburne on CSI, Michael Emerson on Person of Interest, Craig T. Nelson on Parenthood, Tom Selleck on Blue Bloods….need I say more.

77. MJ - September 30, 2011

@63 @64 @70 Agreed!

@68 “Shows like Hawaii 5-0 with their supermodel casts are plastic and will never resonate with the public compared to some shows of the past that had great actors, but only avg looks.”

Agreed! The original Hawaii 5-0 was more intelligent as rose to a higher level. The new one is good, enjoyable, with some good acting, but won’t be memorable down the line as compared to the original great show.

78. MJ - September 30, 2011

@76 And let’s not leave out Larry David on Curb Your Enthusiasm.

79. dmduncan - September 30, 2011

48. Harry Ballz – September 30, 2011

TV is rarely about reality though, Harry. To me, the best show on TV, other than The Office, is The Biggest Loser, because you’ve got suffering people who desperately want to change their lives and work damned hard to do it, and they are always such nice people — not like the cut throat imbeciles on other reality shows. So it IS real. Real people dealing with genuine problems and struggling with their demons to overcome their problems, and so often doing it with grace and dignity, which is the opposite of what so many reality TV shows aim for. I see more humanity on that show than any other (including Extreme Home Makeover, where some poor family gets the house of their dreams that they can’t afford and lose it later), because even when it comes time to send someone home, it’s often such a hard decision for the others to make because they all know how hard it is to continue the process on their own.

I’ve had it with crime and hospital dramas, and I never watched them much to begin with. Most of the time I’m just catching up on old movies I missed or just discovered.

By the way. Treat yourself to Trick R Treat for a really cool Halloween movie. It’s a nice surprise.

80. Craiger - September 30, 2011

#74 I liked Adam 12 and Emergency. Jack Webb was also going to have a spinoff from Emergency about two animal control cops one of whom was Mark Harmon from NCIS that never happened. So Webb saw that Harmon has talent.

81. NCM - September 30, 2011

@28: Harry just reminded me of the third reason I don’t watch TV any longer. It’s completely unbelievable (unless it’s British; they still employ actors with bad teeth who look the part of real Brits).

I first tuned out when shows became a parade of extended catwalks. A pretty face here and there – nice, believable; but animated photo shoots – Not realistic.

Bob shouldn’t blow you off on this one, Harry; but, you’re probably over 40, like me, and advertisers regard over 40’s as a lost cause – settled on what we’ll buy and what we’ll believe. As another over 40 says, TV is “just bait” for advertisers.

82. Craiger - September 30, 2011

I forgot to add, I think it was going to be a spinoff series with Mark Harmon. I looked it up on IMDB and the Emergency episode was called 905-Wild. I didn’t like that show idea.

83. trekker 5 - September 30, 2011

Bob,if anybody can say shes going steady its you! Thanks for letin’ me know!! :)

84. NCM - September 30, 2011

@36: For what it’s worth, I heard a recent report from an American nuclear engineer whose been taking readings from people, food, water, with his own equipment, in the inhabited areas closest to The Site. He said radiation was well below dangerous levels and he’d have no concern… It was somewhat reassuring.

85. dmduncan - September 30, 2011

84. NCM – September 30, 2011

Did you catch his name and who he works for?

36: “i might need to get a geiger counter for my nintendo games”

Why might you need a geiger counter for your nintendo games?

86. NCM - September 30, 2011

Just read more comments. Interesting discussion on beauty, good TV, and series longevity. My take: Those who watch shows for pretty faces may move on to the next pretty face much faster than those who fall in love with a character, first. And when an actor has to win you over through his character and depth, he has staying power. I say “he” because those are the examples that come to mind.

I never watched Kojak as a kid, and couldn’t fathom why so many women in their 30s and well beyond adored him – even voted him “sexiest man in America,” repeatedly! Telly Savalas, Robert Blake (Baretta), Paul Michael Glazer, and yes, Nimoy, to name a few were not guys a woman would notice on the street, but all became sex symbols. Heck, Shatner was cast as a chick magnet, but it was Nimoy the girls preferred. Whether or not any of these were great shows, at least among women, character may matter more than looks. Of course, maybe this has all changed.

87. NCM - September 30, 2011

@85: Believe me, the reason I said “…somewhat reassuring” is because I decided not to say, “of course, he could be on anyone’s payroll.” I didn’t hear the whole story, but it was on NPR within the last couple of weeks and I believe he was from a big US university or some such. You could probably track it down on the NPR site. Good luck.

88. MJ - September 30, 2011

As far as reality TV shows, the ones I watch are either based on skills, unique challenges, or people in unique situations:

1. Mantracker (tracking/strategy in the wild)
2. Top Shot (really cool firearms challenges)
3. The Amazing Race (self explanatory)
4. Locked Up Abroad (you really appreciate your life after watching this)
5. American Pickers (love the people; FYI — Shat did an episode recently)
6. Whale Wars (fu*k you Japan for killing whales)

89. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire. - September 30, 2011

Hey Craiger. Mark Harmon did an Episode of Adam 12. So yes. Jack Knew he was going to be a big star.

90. Barb - September 30, 2011

I guess they like working together so much that they decided to work on something they were enthusiastic about… which in the case of JJA, clearly isn’t Trek.

His contract with Paramount runs until 2014 and was for three movies. Once the 2nd movie was set for after 2012, it was clear he would do at most two movies. I’m betting he now feels that, since he has only one movie to do, it can be 2013 or, if there is something he’d rather do right now, 2014. In the meanwhile, you can always watch Star Trek Fan Films. Drop by Star Trek Reviewed and try some of the “Quick Pick Treasures.”

I guess we’ll see what happens. I predicted the next movie would involve a masked bad guy, since Abrams is a Star Wars fan and tip toes like a sledgehammer. But I could be wrong. Maybe there won’t be a next JJA Trek movie after all.

91. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire. - September 30, 2011

Another Good Show was Vegas with Robert Urich as Dan Tana. That was a great show.

92. Jeyl - September 30, 2011

- Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman have a script commitment deal with CBS for a new “female-centered, character-driven drama.”

Words that will never ever be used to describe their work on Star Trek, or any theatrical movie. But hey, I would love to be proven wrong on this.

93. Keachick (rose pinenut) - September 30, 2011

OK, first of all, I am sick to death with reading stuff like, “Shows like NCIS, Hawai 5-0, Grey’s Anatomy etc, are dumbed down brain candy for the masses.” Yet the same poster puts up shows he consider well above average and it seems are not “dumbed down brain candy”. Shows like True Blood, which incidentally I believe rates very highly in the US and overseas and so must surely be watched by many of those who need TV and movies “dumbed down” for them. I can’t watch True Blood. I don’t get it, I don’t want to “get it” and I find (one of) the main leading male characters “fugly ugly” (Stephen Moyer), imo.

Of course, the same cliche, “dumbed down”, has been used thousands of times by people to criticise Star Trek 09, most of whom can’t get through their own undeniably thick heads the basic concept of MWI, and that is after genuinely good patient people have explained it to them with painstaking clarity.

The notion that Jeri Ryan and Jolene Blalock were only cast to be sort of sex symbols is sad. It is also quite discriminating, because what some posters are doing is reinforcing a stereotype that women can only be beautiful (ie sexually alluring/attractive “bimbo”) OR intelligent but not attractive (ie NOT sexually alluring/attractive). Both those actresses and more importantly, the characters they played, were attractive, intelligent and capable.

Others wondered why Hollywood don’t cast more “ordinary” looking people (I am paraphrasing here – have I understood you correctly?). Well, here’s why – as soon as anyone comes on who does not fit people’s perception of the type who should be seen on an internet video, TV, movie or perhaps even, a live theatre stage, there are people who scream out “No fat chicks here”, “No ugly people wanted”, “Yuk, what horrible teeth that person has”…and so on. When there are millions of dollars at stake, what producer/casting director is going to risk putting an ordinary joe/joanne blogg in a (leading) role?

Has anyone read some of the comments that have been made over time about Tom Hardy’s lower bottom teeth? The teeth are crowded and crooked. A lot of the comments have been none too kind and many Americans cannot understand why he has not had them fixed.

American actors are expected (by the bulk of their American audiences) to get their teeth fixed (orthodontics and dentistry in general has advanced in the last 45-50 years, since the first TOS episodes were made), any moles and any other skin “imperfections” to be dealt to (ie got rid of) and to have personal trainers and keep up an intensive exercise regime lest they go “a gram” overweight… My impression is that this is an integral part of American cultural expectations. People want to see a sample of perfection and then bitch when they think it is *too perfect*. Duh!

94. Keachick (rose pinenut) - September 30, 2011

#35 – “Female-centered, character-driven drama” = music to Executives ears these days. Too bad I’ve got y chromosomes really. I see a real imbalance in programming these days.”

I take it you must be yanking at our chains here…

Out of all the television dramas produced this last decade, I can only recall five, maybe six, programmes which have a woman who is the main/lead character – five American and two British – namely, Medium (Patricia Arquette), Cold Case (Kathryn Morris), Body of Proof (Kim Delaney), Weeds (Mary-Louise Parker) and The Good Wife (Julianna Margulies) and two British detective/forensics shows (I cannot recall their names).

I agree – there is definitely an imbalance.

I hope they get to make this new “female centred” programme and that we get to see it here.

I have not been able to see the second series of Hawaii Five-0 as it was put on at the graverobber hour (11.30pm Monday night) and then got replaced by some repeat. I am not sure they screened all the episodes. I am soooo pissed off!!! Oh and I always found Jack Lord to be a bit of a bore and he would have made a terrible Captain Kirk.

95. Red Dead Ryan - September 30, 2011

Hmmm……Robyn O’Brien seems familiar…..ah yes, it’s a reimagining of Erin Brokovich!

I wonder who’ll be the cleavage-bearing woman this time?

96. Odkin - September 30, 2011

Erin Brokovich – another scare-mongering fraud. Great example.

Rose – you (like all the media decision makers) are confusing internet blather with the great middle America that TV is SUPPOSED to be for. People want to see faces with CHARACTER. People who have lived and struggled and look like they earned whatever they have.

We are all surrounding by plastic celebrities who know nothing, have acheived nothing, and ARE nothing, except pretty faces and bodies. I find it very difficult to root for their type as heroes in a fiction show.

If you think Blalock and Ryan were not hired as anything but young male demographic jerk-bait, you’re nuts. If you think that’s sexist, you’re right. But not on my part – on the part of the pandering producers.

97. Odkin - September 30, 2011

@75 – dmduncan

Nothing I said about DHMO (plain old WATER for anybody who doesn’t get the joke) is false. All true.
– it’s in all our oceans and lakes
– it’s present in the bodies of every cancer sufferer
– it is powerful enough to corrode metal (rust)
-.thousands die every year from INHALING water (drowning)

I just used the scaremongering tone and terms of the professional environmental con-men to make it sound like a killer that something must be done about – “for the CHILDREN”!

Which is exactly the scam that Orci’s new heroine does for a living.

98. K-7 - September 30, 2011

Hello Ms. Keachick,

I would like to respond to your posts, but I am late for my dentist appointment and need to get back home in time to Watch True Blood here in Seattle, USA.

99. Keachick (rose pinenut) - September 30, 2011

#96 – “Rose – you (like all the media decision makers) are confusing internet blather with the great middle America that TV is SUPPOSED to be for. People want to see faces with CHARACTER. People who have lived and struggled and look like they earned whatever they have.”

Really? I thought that, in the US, TV was supposed to be the great new medium in order for advertisers/marketers to let the great “unwashed masses” know what new product was on offer. Showing actual drama, in particular, soap operas was the means by which the masses were meant to get hooked and then be constantly encouraged (badgered?) into buying lots of consumer goods, some of which they really had no need of at all.

Fortunately, there have a number of creative people who thought the television could provide more than a lame comedy, western or soap opera for people to watch – people like Gene Roddenberry. However, he, like many other creator/producers before and since, have had an uphill battle to get programmes aired that may not always bring in big advertising revenue, yet still be worthwhile programmes.

I think you, Odkin, may be confusing the original British view of what could television could provide and did it via the state-owned, non-commercial BBC channels. NZ has never had a totally commercial free channel – broadcasting and cost of programmes can be expensive and we had/have a small population and therefore a smaller tax-take and other priorities.

I actually think that many of the television productions have improved in terms of production values, characterisation and story. Many of those old programmes from 60’s and 70’s were so bland and boring. They are barely watchable. What makes Star Trek TOS stand out (among other things) is that most of the episodes are still very watchable, even it is on an old video tape recorded nearly 20 years ago…

100. Harry Ballz - September 30, 2011

Don’t you mean over 40 years ago?

101. Vultan - September 30, 2011

#99

“Many of those old programmes from 60’s and 70’s were so bland and boring.”

Such as…?

102. K-7 - September 30, 2011

Some of the best shows in the history of TV were in the 60’s and 70’s…maybe we Americans are messed up, but it sounds like they are smoking a few doobies down under tonight.

103. Harry Ballz - October 1, 2011

Why should tonight be any different?

104. Keachick (rose pinenut) - October 1, 2011

I think it may be something to do with age, whatever. I used to like Magnum PI with Tom Selleck, The Six Million Dollar Man (Lee Majors), The Dukes of Hazzard, High Chaparel, The Fugitive but when I have seen them in re-runs, they don’t have “It”. The Fugitive was absolutely terrible. I used to think that Tom Selleck was a real hunk, but when I watched a rerun of a Magnum PI episode, I didn’t think he looked handsome at all. I really can’t think of many shows from that time. I was a kid/young teenager.

I just think that as much creative thought goes into making many current programmes as what went into past programmes. The pacing is different today than in programmes of the 60s and 70s. Sometimes the pacing can be too fast, but a lot of the time, it is fine.

Who are they and what are “doobies”?

Must go now. Gotta get my fix of quirky, quaint, eccentric British detective dramas – tonight it is Midsomer Murders.

105. Vultan - October 1, 2011

Well, I don’t know what “bland and boring” shows she was going on about, but those particular two decades that gave us, among others, Star Trek, Twilight Zone, Gunsmoke, Have Gun—Will Travel, All in the Family, MASH, The Andy Griffith Show, The Flintstones, and Wild, Wild West are A-Okay in my book.

And I’m an ’80s child. Go figure.
Thank God for reruns.

:D

106. Harry Ballz - October 1, 2011

104.

Doobies are the cause of, and solution to, most of life’s problems! :>)

107. dmduncan - October 1, 2011

Nothing I said about DHMO (plain old WATER for anybody who doesn’t get the joke) is false. All true.

Yes, that is true, and that’s also how people get conned — by taking advantage of trust or good will that many folks may easily grant. That’s what politicians do to people every election cycle and people willingly fall for it every election cycle. If you want evidence of gullibility, it’s everywhere. Just look in the mirror on election day morning and ask yourself what lies you will be pulling the lever for this time. Because oh yes, there will be lies.

It wasn’t until I think 1998 that the precise mechanism by which tobacco causes cancer was discovered. And in all the time before that the tobacco companies were saying they thought it was safe, contrary to their own building internal evidence, and people believed their nonsense, and they died.

So yes, let’s not be gullible. About GMO foods too. Have them labeled and let people decide with their dollars, because you don’t know that GMO foods are safe — and you damn sure can’t predict the safety of what they will introduce in the future without our knowledge or consent. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Tobacco was causing cancer even when there was no evidence to support the CLAIM that it did and everyone was laughing at the suggestion.

108. dmduncan - October 1, 2011

107 was for 97

109. dmduncan - October 1, 2011

106: “Doobies are the cause of, and solution to, most of life’s problems! :>)”

Harry, that sounds like a screenplay!

110. dmduncan - October 1, 2011

And by the way, what Robyn O’Brien is doing isn’t “scaremongering.” She’s NOT being gullible with respect to industrialized food system claims, and she’s providing a much needed independent point of view. Robyn O’Brien isn’t making up your mind for you. No, that’s what corporations and their cronies in Washington do when they get together and decide that you shouldn’t know what kind of food you are eating or what’s in it.

Scaremongering? That’s when we fire a missile straight through the Constitution to blow up an American citizen because the existence of the country is allegedly at stake.

111. Harry Ballz - October 1, 2011

109.

dmduncan, yes, and I’m thinking of calling it Doobie Doobie Do……it’s a musical!

112. Odkin - October 1, 2011

“Tobacco was causing cancer even when there was no evidence to support the CLAIM that it did and everyone was laughing at the suggestion.”

Really? Because people were calling them “coffin nails” since the 1800’s. People knew cigarettes were no good for you. Amazingly, without the government spending billions to tell them.

Thanks for giving away the game with your political statements. Are you a 911 truther? How do you feel about “chemtrails”. You know, I’m no fan of the current administration but when someone renounces their citizenship and declares holy war on us from foreign soil, I’m pretty sure the Founding Fathers aren’t losing any sleep over our filling him on that foreign soil. I would agree with you if he had been apprehended in America as a citizen.

113. Odkin - October 1, 2011

oops “…killing him”

114. dmduncan - October 1, 2011

112: “Really? Because people were calling them “coffin nails” since the 1800’s. People knew cigarettes were no good for you.”

Sure, like everything else. And other people were saying it was BS. Someone was right and someone was wrong, though. But the conclusive evidence didn’t come until, again as I recall it, 1998. And until that happens then you are always going to have one group calling the other group nuts because the science doesn’t back this or that, with a great mass of people in the middle not knowing who’s right or wrong.

The Radium Girls is another fine example. They were told radium was safe!

“Thanks for giving away the game with your political statements.”

No, I’m not playing any game with you, Odkin. Too often people think they have you figured out so they stick you into one or the other easy categories, liberal or conservative, when those just don’t fit. Is it liberal or conservative to want clean water, clean air, and good food? Those are things that anybody with common sense and who cares about their kids should want. If a company does you wrong, is it really liberal to say so and to fight back? I would think anybody would do that who cares. NOT to fight back because you have an ideology that what companies do is always good — that’s not common sense.

As far as killing Americans, it’s just nonsense that we had to do that as if our security was at stake. No, our Constitution was at stake, yet again, and again we failed to defend it. So death by drone strike for an American — THAT is genuine fear mongering. Just because they say they had to do it and that he was going to destroy America doesn’t make it so. That is using gullibility to manipulate you through fear, and you are letting them do it.

I just don’t get it when Republicans talk about the Constitution and then support something like that. And I’m not saying that as someone who hates Republicans. I don’t. But it doesn’t make any sense. It’s totally inconsistent. If you just follow the parts of the Constitution you agree with, well then what’s to stop the liberal Democrats you don’t like from doing the exact same thing about issues that you totally disagree with?

Nobody has any high ground to attack anyone else when they all do the same thing about different issues, looking for ways to get around the Constitution.

If we are going to live together without eventually killing each other, then we’ve all got to follow the same rules consistently.

115. MJ - October 1, 2011

Odkin, are we having fun yet? :-)

116. Red Dead Ryan - October 1, 2011

#114.

You make some good points. It was the Bush administration that set the precedent for ignoring/outright violating your Constitution when dealing with accused terrorists (enemy combatants), and the Obama people may have done the same with the targeted killing of al-Awaki (sp), although he was legally considered to be a fugitive, armed and dangerous (because of his role in inspiring recent bomb plots in the U.S) and probably wasn’t going to be arrested without scores of innocent people (and perhaps U.S Special Forces) getting killed in the process.

And now the American government is going after American citizens living and working in Canada to fine them because haven’t filed tax forms with the IRS, even though they aren’t working in the U.S and haven’t for some time. They might even be Canadian citizens now, but apparently, as long as they have American citizenship, they still owe Uncle Sam.The money owed isn’t taxes, but merely fines for not filing, they say. And for some folks, the fines are into the thousands and tens of thousands of dollars. These aren’t tax evaders or cheats, just people who have moved up here legally to work. Now your American government has enacted a barely used and unknown (at least to the public) law that allows them to reach across borders to grab cash from innocent people. The IRS is also trying to access bank accounts of those same folks who weren’t aware of these laws because they weren’t made aware of them in the first place, and for years, the IRS had ignored them until the U.S government got into a deep financial (bankruptcy?) crisis and decided it needed to find cash wherever it can.

The IRS has asked the Canadian government to give them access to the bank accounts of American ex-pats working up here. If the governemt doesn’t give them permission, the IRS will proceed anyway. Scary.

Apparently, it’s allowed by the Constitution, but these people are asking “Why now?” Just goes to show the hypocrisy of law makers in the U.S when it comes to enforcing seldom known and used laws after years of ignoring them.

Most of you Americans aren’t aware of this, so if you decide to live and work abroad, make sure you let your government know first. You’ll save yourselves alot of trouble and money.

117. Big Gang Bang Theory - October 1, 2011

There is no excuse for an American Citizen not knowing that if he/she works overseas and wants to maintain citizenship that they have to keep up with the IRS. It is common knowledge among ExPats from any country that you still need to obey laws and tax policies of the country you still have citizenship with.

I suspect that the real issue here (that is probably not being reported in the sympathetic Canadian media, as the cheats are probably not willing to share their true tax situation with reporters) is that some of these folks do owe the IRS some money. I applaud the IRS is doing what is legally authorized to return the money owed to the United States, which has severe debt issues right now.

118. MJ - October 1, 2011

@117. I disagree. The IRS has a history of overreaching, and this sounds to me like their latest out-of-control action. However, I would not be surprised if some of these supposedly innocent expats do owe back taxes, but I doubt it amounts to all that much that would have any effect whatsoever on our national debt.

119. Big Gang Bang Theory - October 1, 2011

118. I work in the logistics industry, and work in U.S. and Canada, and know some ExPats myself who live in Canada. It is common knowledge of the good law abiding people I know at least that you need to keep up with the IRS. That is why I have major doubts about what the Canadian news media is reporting on this issue.

These selective ExPats they are interviewing are obviously not going to tell the media that they owe back taxes. In fact, if they owe back taxes, and have no intention of returning to the U.S., then it would be in their interest for this issue to go away. Therefore, they whine to sympathetic Canadian reporters about the evil U.S. IRS, and do not admit to owing back taxes. The these reports then get played on the Canadian media, and well-meaning folks like Red Dead Ryan believe what they read in the papers.

Yes, I think this is a manufactured issue by a small minority of U.S. ExPats in Canada who owe back taxes and penalties, and who will say anything to get this issue to go away.

120. Big Gang Bang Theory - October 1, 2011

MJ said in 118:
— I doubt it amounts to all that much that would have any effect whatsoever on our national debt.

Think again, MJ. It has been estimated that $100 Billion per year is being lost in tax revenue to expats trying to keep legitimate taxable earnings in offshore accounts. That is really what this ruckus is all about. It is almost to the level of money laundering at a personal level, with foreign banks and government only happy only to “wink”, turn away, and therefore implicit cooperate with this illegal activity.

Additionally, those American expats in Canada are essentially spending those dollars owed to the U.S. in Canada, thereby supporting the Canadian economy, so of course the Canadian government also has a vested interest in this issue going away.

121. MJ - October 1, 2011

@120 “Additionally, those American expats in Canada are essentially spending those dollars owed to the U.S. in Canada, thereby supporting the Canadian economy, so of course the Canadian government also has a vested interest in this issue going away.”

But in post @119 you said it was “a small minority of U.S. ExPats in Canada” So then, how can the money owed amount to all that much?

The truth lies in the gray area here, I am sure. But from past experience, I am wary of the IRS over-reaching — they have a track record of being a-holes.

122. Keachick (rose pinenut) - October 1, 2011

MASH was/is good. It stands up to the test of time. Don’t recall ever seeing the Twilight Zone and barely remember Gunsmoke. All in the Family looks dated and the comedy now seems very lame.

123. MJ - October 1, 2011

I don’t think saying something looks dated disqualifies it from being one of the best TV shows of all time. Everything looks dated eventually.

124. dmduncan - October 1, 2011

And Odkin, I’m not belittling your point of view. I’m just trying to get you to see that there’s truth on both sides of an issue. Things just don’t cleave right for right and wrong for left on every issue or even within a single issue. Corporations didn’t even exist the way they do today at the time the Constitution was written. The world was changed in the case of Santa Clara County vs. Southern Pacific Railroad, when a clerk of the court (and ex-president of New York Railway) made an ASSUMPTION — favoring another rail company — that corporations had the same rights as real people.

And with those rights they were enabled to influence the political process in much more forcible a fashion that any single REAL person ever could. And out of that comes the revolving door between government and industry, the cozy and corrupt relationships between the government and the industries it regulates until until we end up not with a good government vs. bad industry scenario, or a good industry vs. bad government scenario (the classic caricature of left and right), but a scenario where everyone pretty much looks the same, with some exceptions, sure, but not enough.

By and large, government and industry corrupt each other. One specializes in applying force and the other specializes in creating wealth. Money and power. An ugly combination of things to concentrate in the hands of so few people attracted to those things for less than noble reasons.

125. Red Dead Ryan - October 1, 2011

#117.

I never once said there weren’t any tax cheats. Of course there are. That’s who the IRS should go after. And citizens who break their country’s laws should be prosecuted by their government. No matter what country they’re from and no matter which country they might currently reside in. That isn’t the issue. The issue is people not being made aware of laws that should be known clearly by lawmakers who need to ensure that everybody not only play by the rules, but are respected by them as well as the government and its various agencies. If someone moves to another country and gets a citizenship in that country, then they pay taxes to their newly adopted country, not their original one. Unless they work in their original country as well, or run business that operate in both, in which case they’d be paying taxes to both countries.

Not only that, but giving the IRS power to tap into peoples’ bank accounts without permission is infringing on individuals rights and freedoms.

It’s too much power for the U.S government, which is guilty of ignoring the very laws it creates in the first place.

If people are moving to Canada to avoid paying taxes in the U.S, than it is up to the IRS to find out who they are and inform the FBI, who would then inform Canadian authorities who would then investigate and arrest those accused and extradite them back to the U.S where they would be prosecuted under U.S law.

And before you go on accusing the Canadian media of misinforming the Canadian public to create false sympathy, may I remind you of CNN, MSNBC, and most notoriously, FOX News, of their continued practice of distorting facts to fit their own political agendas.

#124.

“By and large, government and industry corrupt each other. One specializes in applying force and the other specializes in creating wealth. Money and power. An ugly combination of things to concentrate in the hands of so few people attracted to those things for less than noble reasons.”

Yes. We hear about the need for seperation of church and state, maybe it’s time for someone in Washington to argue for the seperation of corporation and state, but that would require a seperation of state and media, which no longer exists.

126. NCM - October 1, 2011

106: “Doobies are the cause of, and solution to, most of life’s problems! :>)”

Wow, man, you got it half-right dude.

127. Harry Ballz - October 1, 2011

NCM, yes, I know, but I was simply trying to revamp a good Homer Simpson quote, and that’s the way it came out. Bummer, dude!

128. MJ - October 1, 2011

@125 “And before you go on accusing the Canadian media of misinforming the Canadian public to create false sympathy, may I remind you of CNN, MSNBC, and most notoriously, FOX News, of their continued practice of distorting facts to fit their own political agendas.”

Agreed, RDR. I don’t do TV news anymore. It is for the brain-dead. It is not about political agendas though, it is really making the news into entertainment so as to get higher ratings to their differing audiences. The people behind those news shows care about one thing — the money they make…hence its all about putting out an entertaining product that gets high ratings. That is why they have all those fake debates with people supposedly having differing views — while some of those people are legit, I think that most of them are just in it for the money.

129. Harry Ballz - October 2, 2011

“I think that most of them are just in it for the money”

No shit, Sherlock!

:>)

130. Red Dead Ryan - October 2, 2011

#128.

Yeah, those debates are more like dick measuring contests.

131. T'Cal - October 2, 2011

Wait. What’s the name of this site? Why aren’t they focusing on Trek? hat about a Trek series of some sort? And the movie? Have they just given up on it??? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!

132. Keachick (rose pinenut) - October 2, 2011

What are you getting all hysterical about?

They are working on the movie as I write.

133. MJ - October 2, 2011

Yea, they are finally working on the movie now, thank goodness

134. denny cranium - October 3, 2011

The IRS will get their money if the expats truly owe the money.
As a Canadian I think our goverment will relent and agree to the IRS request.The IRS is the most robust collection agency in the world.
As to the fact that this American terrorist was killed without due process- the US government should send his family the bill for the missile used to kill him.
This individual is/was a traitor and was actively plotting to kill more Americans. As someone who is applying for dual Canadian and US citizenship I applaud the death of this individual. I will feel safer when I spend my time in the US.
I’m truly blessed that I get to live in the two best countries in the world.
As far as the next Trek movies goes- good to see it finally moving forward.

135. Bob Tompkins - October 6, 2011

The production team always seems to be searching for the perfect character drive action/adventure/drama formula for a TV series.
Is that not what Star Trek has always been?
NBC is starving for ratings at the moment. Wouldn’t a Star Trek project to bring Star Trek full circle be the perfect sustenance for them right now?
Sure CBS owns the property for TV, but doesn’t ABC studios own Criminal Minds on CBS?

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