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Report: J.J. Abrams wants Benicio Del Toro as next Star Trek villain November 4, 2011

by Rosario T. Calabria , Filed under: Abrams,Star Trek Into Darkness , trackback

News is breaking tonight that director J.J. Abrams has his eyes set on Benicio Del Toro to play the villain in the upcoming Star Trek sequel.

The report comes from Variety, and besides the fact that the role would be for a villain, no other details are currently known. In fact, Variety reports that not even Del Toro knew the details of the role when he met with Abrams:

Insiders say Del Toro has met with Abrams but, in an effort to keep the role a secret, still doesn’t know exactly what it is.

However, Variety says Del Toro will soon officially be offered the part.

So who do you think Del Toro will be playing? Rumors offer various possibilities, but given the secrecy that always involves Abrams’ projects, it’s likely only he, the studio and screenwriters Alex Kurtzman, Roberto Orci and Damon Lindelof know the details.

The Star Trek sequel is reportedly being prepped to begin filming in early 2012, perhaps as early as January.

TrekMovie will continue to monitor the situation with the Star Trek sequel and report any updates.


1. AJ - November 4, 2011

The One That can’t be Named

2. Ensign RedShirt - November 4, 2011

Very, very cool news if true.

Thanks for all the updates, Rosario. Hope Anthony is ok.

3. Phil - November 4, 2011


4. NCC-73515 - November 4, 2011


5. Capt Bob - November 4, 2011


6. Tiberius Kirk - November 4, 2011

Too bad that Benecio Del Toro starts filming Bond #23 Skyfall on Monday!

7. trekker 5 - November 4, 2011

Oh My God!! :) :) :) This makes me a very happy Trekker!!! :) This is such awesome news!! Can’t wait to see who he’ll be!!

8. ECHUSA - November 4, 2011

Kahn!!! really that is all I see with a name like that.
Star Trek 2 and 2+10 will be the same

9. Barabbas - November 4, 2011

For the villain, I for one would love to see something like a rogue Starfleet captain collaborating with someone like the Klingons. Basically as cunning and daring as Kirk but in a twisted, selling out Starfleet kind of way. Staying a step ahead of everyone – even members of his own crew.

10. jas_montreal - November 4, 2011

KHAN !!!!

11. Aurore - November 4, 2011

“News is breaking tonight that director J.J. Abrams has his eyes set on Benecio Del Toro to play the next villain in the upcoming Star Trek sequel.”

Don’t waste his talent, that is all I’m asking. I’m talking to you, YOU!


12. CarlG - November 4, 2011

Maybe someone out of left field, like Garth? :)

13. CarlG - November 4, 2011

@6: Nope, that’s Javier Bardem doing Skyfall.

14. Craiger - November 4, 2011

#9 What about the rouge Starfleet officer collaborating with the Klingons to find Khan and revive him to help overthrow the Fedreration. Then Khan kills him and turns on the Klingons to and they send Kirk in to save the day.

15. GarySeven - November 4, 2011

Do we need a villain?
So adolescent.
I miss Star Trek.

16. Androide - November 4, 2011

@6, it’s Javier Bardem in the James Bond movie, not Benicio Del Toro.

17. Craiger - November 4, 2011

Del Toro would be Khan.

18. AJ - November 4, 2011

And now this:

19. DeShonn Steinblatt - November 4, 2011


20. Harry Ballz - November 4, 2011



21. Vultan - November 4, 2011

I just hope what we get is an antagonist and not a “villain,” and by that I mean a character who actually has well-written motivations for the dastardly deeds he does. Nero was like something out of an old Superman cartoon.

Leave Spock on an ice planet to watch his homeworld destroyed? Yeah, why not tie him to the railroad tracks while you’re at it?!

Juvenile indeed.

22. Craiger - November 4, 2011

Harry what else would they do? They need to keep the general audience and the Trek fans. The general audience knows the Klingons and Khan. If it was a new villian the general audience may think they are going back to Trek that just Trek fans like and they find that boring. I sometimes think that is the way to go a new take on old Trek villians for a new audience. Then their are other times I think been their, done that and Trek is done.

23. MartinRD65 - November 4, 2011

Look at a pic of him with a goatee next to pic of Kor from TOS….. Just sayin’

24. Craiger - November 4, 2011

Another idea what if they redid Errand of Mercy and showed the Klingons battling the Federation forces and suddenly they all stopped because of the Organians? Kirk vs. Kor. Like #23 said.

25. Vultan - November 4, 2011


Funny, the Bond movies have introduced new villains over and over again. The general audience—whatever that is (people, I guess)—they still go to see them. And still no remake of Goldfinger yet, thank God.

26. Craiger - November 4, 2011

But Bond is differnent from Star Trek, the general audience doesn’t think Bond is for nerds only.

27. Jeffrey S. Nelson - November 4, 2011

Benicio as Gary Mitchell? Just a guess…
Good to see some news stories again! Where’s the story about Zachary Quinto doing great work on FX Networks’s “American Horror Story”? About as far from Spock as you can get… also missed the Star Trek gag on last Sunday’s “Robot Chicken.”

28. Dr. Cheis - November 4, 2011

Never heard of this guy, but he looks like Khan.

Then again, with makeup he could look like any sort of alien.

29. Sybok - November 4, 2011

JJ doesn’t get it! Star Trek isn’t about the hero and the villian, it’s about the journey and the relationship of the holy trinity(Kirk, Spock, & Bones) I hope this isn’t Space Seed Redux”

30. Brian Monson - November 4, 2011

@22 nero was a new villain, never once seen in trek before 2009. audiences went crazy. nuff said.

31. VZX - November 4, 2011

Wow, I really, really, really hope that it is NOT Khan.

That would be so freakin lazy and lame. It really does seem like they are trying to emulate the Dark Knight with bringing it what THEY think is the classic Trek villain in Khan (like how Joker is Batman’s classic nemesis). But, that is what THEY think. And THEY are so wrong.

I would be really disappointed if it is Khan. Wow, if there was anything to keep me from watching this sequel, it would be Khan.

Why can’t they use Kor, or Trelane, or Harry Freakin Mud? Stupid Khan. Man, that sucks. Yeah, I agree that the casting of Del Toro looks like its gonna be Khan. And that just blows.

32. Craiger - November 4, 2011

But they also had stuff the general audience know about, Kirk, Spock, Scotty and the Enterprise

33. Vultan - November 4, 2011


Public perception of “nerds” has nothing to do with it.
If a movie is properly marketed, people will [most likely] go see it.

34. Radioactive Spock - November 4, 2011

In regards to the secrecy of Abrams projects, it occurs to me that it must suck to be friends with any of the writers while these projects are going forward. “Come on, tell me who the villain is. I won’t tell anyone, I promise.”
“NO” “Please?” “NO”. lol.

35. Hugh Hoyland - November 4, 2011

If it is Khan, I can actually understand that, the movie needs a big name villain with such a long delay to get the interest back that may have been somewhat lost. IMO of course.

36. Dee - lvs moon' surface - November 4, 2011

I think Benicio is more to play a Klingon villain… something werewolf… or is it possible that’s Khan… ???… OMG!!!

Thanks Rosario!!!

:-) :-)

37. Federali Aundy - November 4, 2011

He will portray a Klingon.

38. Gary S. - November 4, 2011

Intruiging idea .

39. Enterprise BC - November 4, 2011

First big piece of news on the Star Trek sequel in months. Even though it’s not much to go on yet, it’s nice to have that “excitement” feeling return. Keep up the tidbits please! :)

40. RobertZ - November 4, 2011

Tired of the villian-thing too.

I miss Stat Trek as well.

41. RobertZ - November 4, 2011



42. Harry Ballz - November 4, 2011


I think you meant to say GIVE US TREK STAT!

43. Pizza - November 4, 2011

How boring, another Kirk vs the bad guy movie.

ST2 arguably the best Trek movie? Perhaps.

However, I would vote for ST4 as the next best. There really wasn’t a bad guy or villain, the movie was more of an adventure.

Why not tell the story of why there is a neutral zone, or why the Federation is not allowed cloaking devices?

A big reason why the last movie was thought to be so good, was that the previous two were lame. The next movie had better get into character relationships and story telling.

I just have this feeling we’re going to be watching the next Trek and thinking it looks a lot like Transformers.

Nicholas Meyer anyone? I’d even consider letting Clint Eastwood do the next Trek movie.

44. John Gill - November 4, 2011

Benicio looks like a cross between Gary Mitchel and Kang, mostly like Michael Ansara did back then…

45. project42 - November 4, 2011

I think Del Toro would be good as a Klingon, like Kor or somebody else. If done right a Klingon story could be very interesting and bring in a lot of ‘non-fans’. It would be too unimaginative if he were just Khan redone.

46. Gene L. Coon was a U. S. Marine. Stand at ease. - November 4, 2011

Don’t forget that Trek does not do well overseas. Del Toro was brought in with that in mind, I am sure.

Del Toro is good at playing villains. He played Che! Maybe they’ll have him play a version of Space Che. All the young hipster federation kids would wear t shirts with his face on it, after Kirk kills him. This stuff writes itself!

47. Schultz - November 4, 2011

Wonderful idea. I’m intrigued.

48. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 4, 2011

Testing. Testing. Is this thing on? Welcome back Trekmovie!
Still hoping for a non-villain villain. Bit no matter what role he plays, Del Toro would be a excellent addition to Trek. Yes, very good news.

49. Andy Patterson - November 4, 2011

Is he going to speak non-intelligibly like he did in The Usual Suspects?

And to echo others sentiments,yes I miss Star Trek too.

50. marvin - November 4, 2011

Benecio Del Toro would make a great ‘Red Shirt’.

51. Green-Blooded-Bastard - November 4, 2011

“TrekMovie will continue to monitor the situation with the Star Trek sequel and report any updates. ”

…in 6 weeks.

52. CarlG - November 4, 2011

@15: Oh get off your high horse, the concept of an antagonist goes back at least to the plays of Ancient Greece, nothing adolescent about it.

53. The Last Vulcan - November 4, 2011

Here it is. The first photo of Benicio as Khan!

54. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 4, 2011

Why the asumption that Del Toro will play Khan? ‘Cause he’s Hispanic? I mean Khan was Indian, right?

55. Blake Powers - November 4, 2011

I was hoping for Javier Bardem

56. Red Dead Ryan - November 4, 2011

It’s funny how people have brought up the “James Bond” movies. Two things to say about that:

1. There was a remake of “Thunderball”. It’s called “Never Say Never Again”. It featured an aging Sean Connery who should have stayed retired from Bond movies. Him starring in it was the equivalent of Michael Jordan playing for the Wizards.

2. Benicio Del Toro played Sanchez’ psychopathic sidekick in “Licence To Kill”. Underrated Bond film.

Also, the new Trek movies do need villains. Recognizable ones, with recognizable actors to attract foreign and mainstream audiences.

“Star Trek” also needs more of the “Star Wars” swagger if it is to stay relevant. So I’m going to bet that the sequel will have a bit of the “Empire Strikes Back” qualities that made that movie such a classic.

57. Quatlo - November 4, 2011

I was hoping for Hoot The Hoolio.

58. NCM - November 4, 2011

Del Toro looks far more Klingon than Khan, to me, but I’d be disappointed by either – and I almost trust the court to know that the next film has to be more sophisticated than rogue bad guy acting… badly.

If he’s to be a villain, I’d place my bet with a villain we haven’t seen before, or maybe a character completely remade from the Prime universe – maybe one who wasn’t even a bad guy in Prime time. Maybe a continuous, minor, theme in JJ-Verse will be how familiar characters are altered by diversions in J-verse.

So, do we think the next movie will flirt with ideas relevant – and divisive – in our lives today, or will they aim for major escapism (and possibly risk giving us something we can’t relate to)?

59. Inside The Production - November 4, 2011

It’s Khan. A friend of mine has been working with the production for a week and a half — everyone knew about this announcement. Unless something extraordinary happens to take Benicio out of the mix, it’s a done deal.

By the way, Javier Bardem was the original choice. He chose to do James Bond instead.

60. Red Dead Ryan - November 4, 2011


Khan wasn’t necessarily Indian. He had an Indian name, but was played by an Hispanic, Ricardo Montalban. Khan could be played by any actor, if he’s right for the part, regardless of race. No need to be politically correct.

Though Naveen Andrews (“Lost”) would be great as Khan, in my opinion. And he is of Indian descent.

And keep in mind, Nestor Carbonell, who is white, was a leading fan favorite for the role of Khan.

The only two roles that need to maintain racial consistency are Uhura (Black actress), and Sulu (male actor).

61. Red Dead Ryan - November 4, 2011

Damn, that should have read:

“The only two roles that need to maintain racial consistency are Uhura (Black actress), and Sulu (Asian actor).”

62. Tiberius Kirk - November 4, 2011

@13 – Oops! ;)

63. Inside The Production - November 4, 2011

I know most people probably won’t believe me, but watch what happens in a week.

Oh, and one villain? Let’s just say there’s two. And Khan isn’t the main one. Wait ’till you see who they cast as the big one.

64. Red Dead Ryan - November 4, 2011


“Inside The Production”.

Aye. And if my grandmother had wheels, she’d be a wagon!

65. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 4, 2011

Red Dead. You’re opinion is fine, though I’m not sure I agree, though that does cut both ways, and doesn’t really answer my question. And political correctness was not my point

66. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 4, 2011

And Red Dead, that wasn’t meant to be disagreeable. You know how it sounds when you’re writting it, and then when you’re reading it?

67. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 4, 2011

All right Inside The Production, you’re up. We will soon see. (though I do hope it’s not Khan).

68. Phil - November 4, 2011

@63. John Edwards, the guy who claims to talk to dead people, hand picks his audience, so he can walk up to any sobbing woman in the room and proclaim “I sense you have suffered a great loss”. So, you take a bit of a rumor, that has not been confirmed, and back fill in a story on a web site were people may be predisposed to listen. Suggesting that a friend is spilling his guts, when just about everyone on an Abrahms production has signed a confidentiality agreement that would pretty much let JJ hang you by your private parts if you so much a breathed a detail publically. I’ll give you credit for being creative, and not much else.

69. Red Dead Ryan - November 4, 2011


Sure. I have no problem with what you wrote, I just disagree that’s all.

But I’ll retract the “politically correct” statement if it makes you feel better! :-)

70. Phil - November 4, 2011

New rumor…Del Toro will be offered the part of Chewbacca in the next Trek movie…

71. Red Dead Ryan - November 4, 2011


That would be John Edward you’re thinking of. No plural. John Edwards is the now-disgraced former Senator from South Carolina who cheated on his wife, mispent campaign funds, and now is facing jail time.

72. Vultan - November 4, 2011


Trek needs more TOS swagger—cowboy punches, karate chops, Kirk and Spock playing chess, discussing alien politics/strategy in the briefing room and on the bridge—brains AND brawn.

No Star Wars needed.
No “villain” needed.
Trek IV proved it.

73. AJ - November 4, 2011

Kang was always my favorite bad-ass ‘Klingon bastard.’ Michael Ansara nailed it in “DOTD” and managed to do so in DS9 as well in legendary company.

One thing I read about Del Toro is that he really cannot speak intelligible English. Never saw the guy, so, unless it’s a ‘WTF’-style Tyler Perry-type cameo role, I cannot imagine what he’ll do. I’ll leave the ‘imagining” to Abrams.

74. Inside The Production - November 4, 2011

68 —

Once again, I have no ties to the production except for my friend. He has no problem spilling the information because he doesn’t work for JJ — he works for Paramount. Paramount employs him. Will he get into trouble? Probably not. There are so many people walking around Los Angeles will incredible information about upcoming and hotly debated properties. Most keep it to themselves and chuckle while fans debate these issues endlessly. I choose otherwise.

C’mon — ask me a question about the film. I’ll answer the best I can.

75. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 4, 2011

Thank you Ryan, it does ;)

76. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 4, 2011

Chewbacca is in the new movie? I just read that somewhere.

77. Harry Ballz - November 4, 2011


Okay, who is being cast as the other villain?

78. On Vacation With Landru - November 4, 2011

Better question might be WHO is the other villain =p

79. Basement Blogger - November 4, 2011

Thanks Rosario for the news. Because the Trek news I was going to report on comes from a bit in “A Very Harold & Kumar 3D Christmas.” I was going to call the scene from this Christmas movie, “Sulu’s Sword.”” You see Harold (John Cho aka Sulu) gets his “sword” stuck to a frozen pole, “A Christmas Story” style.

I ask Trekkers, was Sulu’s Sword, “Real or CGI?”

80. Inside The Production - November 4, 2011

Let’s ask a better question: what rhymes with morgue?

Male… or female? :)

81. Wes - November 4, 2011


What species are the villians? Are they Klingons? I heard a rumor that the Klingons, who were supposed to be a part of the last film but cut out at the last minute (which were really good, except for the first scene with Nero, when the Narada is captured). Any truth to that rumor that the villains of Star Trek XII are Klingons or are they any other Original Series (or quite possibly Next Gen) villain species that we have seen before?

82. On Vacation With Landru - November 4, 2011

Ugh. The Gorn wouldn’t have me filling a seat on opening night either.

83. Inside The Production - November 4, 2011

It’s not the Gorn. It starts with a different letter… and here’s another hint: the character is female. Imagine that: a male villain and a female villain both battling the crew of the Enterprise. It will be a miracle if this story isn’t as convoluted as the last one.

84. Red Dead Ryan - November 4, 2011


Borg? That can’t be it, because Bob had ruled out non-TOS villains, at least for the sequel.

85. On Vacation With Landru - November 4, 2011

The only thing my tired brain can think of is the Borg and if that’s the case I’ll pop me some popcorn and gladly watch the drama unfold. On the internet, that is.

86. Vultan - November 4, 2011


Khan and the Borg?!
Are you serious?

87. Inside The Production - November 4, 2011

84 —

Guess again. Guess. Again. Ret-con, folks.

88. Captain Hackett - November 4, 2011

Benecio Del Toro is just a perfect choice for the next ST villain IMHO.

89. Vulcan Soul - November 4, 2011

Now I see why they didnt post a photo of Del Toro here… yikes that will be one hell of an ugly villain!

And #80… the BORG queen… I think not! You are a “rhymes with make” ;)

90. Vultan - November 4, 2011


You mentioned a female villain. Does that mean the Borg queen?

91. On Vacation With Landru - November 4, 2011

Oh good, then the Eymorgs are going to come and take Spock’s brain again and it won’t be an issue since there are now two of them. Sweet!

92. Red Dead Ryan - November 4, 2011


Of course, you just admitted that you have nothing to do with the production, in contradiction to your name, and any “info” you may have gleaned is from at best a second-hand source.

93. Inside The Production - November 4, 2011

Or a Borg of the Abrams’ universe. How about an queen that tries to lead a revolution? And the enterprise is ready to stop her… until Khan intervenes. Oh and Kirk has no love interest. It’s Chekov’s turn.

94. Inside The Production - November 4, 2011

83 —

It was metaphorical. It didn’t work. But it’s my name now, so…

95. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - November 4, 2011

Wow!. Real news from Trekmovie. love it. looking good Bob Orci. Looking Good.

96. Vultan - November 4, 2011


Oh, get off it, buddy! You’re pulling our legs… aren’t you?
Please tell me you are….

That story sounds horrible.

97. Inside The Production - November 4, 2011

I’m not. The Queen has been exiled and she’s trying to lead a revolution. It’s a chance for the film to show how politics in a different world work. It’s a duality thing — Khan rules by strength whereas the Queen rules by cruelty and deception.

98. On Vacation With Landru - November 4, 2011


99. Red Dead Ryan - November 4, 2011

Good lord, if Anthony were here, he’d permaban this troll!

And for the sequel, how about something new and original, just for once?


100. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 4, 2011

Ahem, I mean Shirley you jest.

101. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 4, 2011

#87 Org as in Organians?

Phil – there is no script because they don’t want you to see anything. Bob and the team are going to implant the script into the minds of the actors telepathically. It’s that simple,

102. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 4, 2011

La,la,la, I’m not listening, la,la,la…

103. Vultan - November 4, 2011


Uh huh. And did your “friend” read the script or something? You know, that script Abrams probably goes around with handcuffed to his wrist.

Sorry, I’m not buying it… for now.

104. Inside The Production - November 4, 2011

It’s the Borg. Queen is second villain.

105. David Jones - November 4, 2011

I read this and just skipped the rest,,,
Harry what else would they do? They need to keep the general audience and the Trek fans. The general audience knows the Klingons and Khan. If it was a new villian the general audience may think they are going back to Trek that just Trek fans like and they find that boring.”

I’m going to copy and paste that comment whenever I need to reinforce that Abrams has dumbed down the Trek audience intentionally or not.

You sir are not a Trekker, you are a Star Wars fan.

106. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 4, 2011

Kirk with no love interest? Well, that sucks. I guess that is one aspect that is consistent with the prime universe – Kirk both horny and lonely…duh – if, of course, any of this is to be believed.

107. Inside The Production - November 4, 2011

Kirk has too much on his hands. I mean, he has to actually captain two battle plans: one with Khan — who simply cannot wait to kill everyone — and the Borg Queen, who plans to take over the universe after being exiled.

108. Buzz Cagney - November 4, 2011

Oh yes please, Borg would be terrific. Its not like they ended up being the most overused and most easily defeated of all Trek villains.

109. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 4, 2011

Yes, maybe, but the Organians were an underused part of the TOS universe and were as powerful as any Borg queen. The Organians were generally peaceful but with that kind of power at their disposal and pushed hard enough by meddlesome adversaries, well, just imagine what could happen… Also the Orgs can appear in any form they wish. Hmmm

This Borg queen stuff sounds like rubbish, frankly. Anyway, we’ve already seen a film about a crazy Borg queen – First Contact – Picard’s time.

The whole story scenario presented sounds dumb.

110. boborci - November 4, 2011

Hey, everybody. Slow night. What’s new? anything?

111. Gabriel Bell - November 4, 2011

Ha! Let’s hear it from the real “Inside the Production,” Mr. boborci.

112. Harry Ballz - November 4, 2011


If you hadn’t posted such a crappy storyline we might have bought it.

113. bigswingdaddy - November 4, 2011

110. Can you confirm that the next villain is Khan riding piggyback on the borg queen whilst waving a bat’leth and screaming “FRIENDLY ANGEL COME TO ME!!”

Why the silence? I smell Box Office GOLD!

114. David Jones - November 4, 2011

Don’t tell them anything Bob!!!


115. boborci - November 4, 2011


In the words of the immortal George Carlin:

“Pardon me, but I have nothing to say!”

Unless you wanna argue about the Kennedy assassination, of course;)

116. Cygnus-X1 - November 4, 2011

110. boborci – November 4, 2011

hey Bob, they’re saying Roberto Begnini is going to be in the new Star Wars movie. I think he’s playing Starbuck.

117. Jeffrey S. Nelson - November 4, 2011

115. Bob Orci – I hear Stephen King’s new book is about a guy who goes back in time to prevent the Kennedy assassination. Harlan Ellison pitched the idea as the first Star Trek movie back in the day! What are you doing up so late??

118. Rusty0918 - November 4, 2011

I wouldn’t listen to Inside the Production

@43 Pizza – Yeah, you’re not the only one. I dread they’ll go down the Michael Bay route with the sequel, and even worse, the critics will give it universal praise regardless. (Yeah I said it a lot and I’ll say it again.)

@David Jones –
First off you shouldn’t smear Craiger like that. As much as I hate to say it, I do agree with him. Khan is marketable. Now using Khan wouldn’t be a bad idea if they approached the prospect from a different angle. The Klingons are also marketable, although you could easily do something good with them as the villains. Star Trek VI did something wonderful with them.

There was one article on assurance in TrekToday saying that Orci and Kurtzman were going to make the characters in the sequel more like they were in TOS ( And that gives some sense into their thinking, which does incline me to give things the “benefit of the doubt.”

@VZX – Yes they can get away with it. Bottom line, JJ Abrams had a mean propaganda machine with the last movie. He’ll pull the strings of the mainstream media to get the movie universal praise, even if it IS as bad as “Transformers: ROTF.”

Another reinforcement with the Khan article was this: (Some of you might want this guy shot.) Worst thing would be is if we got, like what someone on Trek BBS said who said something similar to what this guy said, “a hybrid bastard child of ‘Space Seed’ and ‘Wrath of Khan.'”

119. Shilliam Watner - November 4, 2011

Don’t know why anybody would assume Del Toro would be Khan? Because he’s of Hispanic descent like Ricardo Mantalban? That’s just silly. Besides, Khan is a Persian name. Del Toro will certainly be fitted with a Klingon headpiece and be one badass motherf#$%er!

120. Buzz Cagney - November 5, 2011

#115 sounds like you are working on a script and need inspiration to me!
I’m on to you!

121. Buzz Cagney - November 5, 2011

I’ve said before, Khan is going to end up being the ships gay hairdresser.
It would explain why Spock never has a hair out of place!

122. njdss4 - November 5, 2011

I don’t know what to think of this. I am personally not interested in any movies that Del Toro has ever been in, but that doesn’t mean I don’t recognize the respect he has earned as an actor. I think I need to hear what role he’d play first.

Just please, no Khan.

123. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 5, 2011

Hey, Bob Orci. How are you? So JJ let you out for a while? I’ve heard that he can be nice that way…:)

Oh gawd no – no more Kennedy assassination stuff, please!

I have just looked up Benecio Del Toro on IMDb – not a bad looking dude actually. I’m sure he could be made to look and sound quite wicked – or not. I can’t see him not taking the role (whatever it is). He needs the money. He has become the proud dad to a beautiful baby girl, called Delilah, b. 8/21/11 to Kimberley Stewart, Rod Stewart’s daughter.

What did I say, Bob? No Khan. No Borg. Please, make it so. Khan may appear briefly, like an annoying fly in the ointment, but not more than that.

And what’s this that Kirk has no love interest? Kirk is really a lover, not a fighter, except when he is running along walls in an attempt to knock down an Andorian…:) – didn’t work, but, by golly, it sure looks cool! I do hope that you are telling Chris Pine to do prep for such scenes that he will need to do in this movie. There are some things that do require repeating…LOL

“What’s new? anything?”

Well, it is November 5th here, 8.08pm and it is also officially Guy Fawkes Night, so when it gets properly dark and if *weather holds, we will be letting off a few fireworks and hopefully getting to see other people’s bigger fireworks displays. The cats will run and hide, hopefully, under our beds, out of harm’s way and the dog will bark and howl, quite possibly, in response or stick her nose where it shouldn’t go. So it should be a good night. Wish us well…:) So, that’s what’s up with us in lil’ ol’ NZ.

*I remember seeing some pictures from Welcome to People outtakes and there was this UNCOVERED beautiful and expensive antique convertible left outside all night. It was a bit of a heartstopper. It was like…whaaaat? Nobody in their right mind leaves a convertible open without its cover on outside during the night here.

I am used to being in Auckland where rain or scattered showers tend to be an inevitability, if not each day, then every other day for most of the year. Don’t see many convertibles here really, come to think of it…

Well, Bob, you did ask “what’s new” etc. How am I going so far?

124. Daniel craigs my wookie bitch now - November 5, 2011

#6 Del Toro isnt in Skyfall, though he was a henchman in License to Kill

125. boborci - November 5, 2011

123.nice report. And happy Guy F night! Have his mask in my trunk, you know, just in case;)

126. Daniel craigs my wookie bitch now - November 5, 2011

123 you seriously had to look up Benicio Del Torro on IMDB?
really, the guy isnt some unknown actor. He has starred in some pretty big movies over the last few years not to mention he won a freaking acadmey award.

127. Daniel craigs my wookie bitch now - November 5, 2011

110 Nothing much Aside from it being 2nd night of the AFI film festival at work. tonight featured “The Lady” which is an excellent film.

Anton was at the theatre tonight as well for “The Young Hollywood roundtable “

128. Buzz Cagney - November 5, 2011

Huh, you celebrate Guy Fawkes night in NZ? I know that shouldn’t surprise me, but it does!

129. Buzz Cagney - November 5, 2011

Bob, leave the whole JFK thing alone- Red Dwarf answered all the tough questions. It was suicide!

130. Red Shirt Fever - November 5, 2011

Stop worrying about Khan!!!!

Lets get serious here who’s going to play Nurse Chapel!!!!!! Someone clearly crazy for Spock not Uhura!!!

131. Shilliam Watner - November 5, 2011

Blake Lively as Chapel!

132. saavik001 - November 5, 2011

Del Toro would make a bad ass Kor…

133. captainkirk - November 5, 2011

In a previous interview Bob Orci said that the villain wasn’t from the first season, and in another Damon Lindelof said the movie wouldn’t be a remake. Therefore he is most likely not Khan or Kor.

134. Rusty0918 - November 5, 2011

Nurse Chapel…second worst TOS character to Yeo-wench Rand.

135. Odkin - November 5, 2011

You know they will do leak-reactive re-writes. JarJar hates to have his surprises ruined. I suspect “Inside” is probably right about the script as written, but between edits and rewrites we will see something different. Hopefully the plot will make more sense than the first movie. Anyway, “Inside” we’ll know the truth about “Inside” in pretty short order.

Again, was hoping for a “character” story with either Mudd or Mirror versions of our heroes, but as I conjectured a few days ago we’re going to get a supervillain and a big space shoot-em-up. Aliens and enemy ships sell more toys I guess. At least hope that the villains ham it up a little bit. I hate seeing scowling, brooding, pouting, angry villains (like Nero) who are either silent or screaming.

136. Captain Gorn - November 5, 2011

Mr. Orci, how’s the script coming? And shouldn’t you be writing it instead of posting here? ;)

137. Herb Finn - November 5, 2011

Kahn would be to obvious,so a strong Klingon villain (Kang?) might now be a bad guess.

138. Odkin - November 5, 2011

Guy Fawkes Day. Although the anti-capitalist anarchist-holes have adopted him, as usual they get everything backwards. Everything they believe apparently comes from the “V For Vendetta” comic book.

Fawkes wasn’t some hero fighting an oppressive government. He was a religious fanatic hoping to install Catholic rulers of England by assasinating King James I. Read that again. NOT a freedom fighter. He wanted the POPE to rule England, that’s all.

Guy Fawkes Day isn’t about admiring him. It’s about pretending to burn him in effigy. Next time you see one of todays vile cretins in their “V For Vendetta” mask, take a moment to consider the irony.

139. Buzz Cagney - November 5, 2011

#138, me, I just the pretty colours and the loud bangs!

140. Odkin - November 5, 2011

KHAN – not KAHN. How can fans not know this? It’s as bad as typing “in cannon” or “Star Track”.

KHAN is the classic villain who should not be revisted by a pale imitation
KAHN maybe owns a deli, runs the IMF, or sings “sweet mystery of life”

141. Buzz Cagney - November 5, 2011

This Del Torro thing sounds like a load of bull.

142. VulcanFilmCritic - November 5, 2011

To cast Benicio del Toro as Khan would truly indicate that this is a mere cliche-ridden action film about a defunct, quirky TV show rather than being about Star Trek.

Just because Ricardo Montalban was a Latino, that doesn’t mean that you cast another Latino as Khan. Khan is a Sikh. If you had any respect at all for the audience and for people of color, wouldn’t you cast someone who at least looks like a Sikh? And is capable of sounding like a Sikh? Casting del Toro as Khan would be so knee-jerkedly faithful to the original, I would have to agree that Star Trek had been zombified.

No, I’m betting that he’s going to be a Klingon. One of del Toro’s recent films was “Wolfman.” I read that he had a personal fascination with this character and was dying to play him. This is a character who demands a lot of transformative skills from an actor, something that’s right down del Toro’s alley. Khan was a beautiful superman. I can’t imagine del Toro, who was born to be a character actor, trying to live up to this kind of perfection.

Also they’ve got all this unused footage cut out of the first movie from the Klingon prison planet. They’ve got costumes and they’ve already done the make-up tests as well.

I think del Toro, Spanish accent or not, would voice the Klingon dialect better than English.

143. Hat Rick - November 5, 2011

I think that one role he wouldn’t play would be a long-lost clone of Captain Kirk who was made to work on a mining planet in his earlier youth.

However, that certainly doesn’t rule out the role of a long-lost super-man who was exiled to a planet that has since switched orbits.

Nor of a friend of Kirk that had enrolled in the Academy along with him and developed god-like powers for some reason, threatening both Kirk and the rest of the JJverse.

144. Alf - November 5, 2011

I heard that del Toro was going to be cast as V’ger.

145. raffie - November 5, 2011

Enough with the cartoonesque Good Guy VS. Bad Guy thing. If that’s really all they can come up with, boot the writers.

146. Rob - November 5, 2011

#147…Agreed. Boot the team if this one isn’t absolutely outstanding. The first one was successful because it was cool, new, non-Rick Berman Star Trek, and because it returned to the classic characters. Any number of other director/writer teams could have done as good or better with the material, and frankly, I’m with a lot of other critics in my suspicion that JJ Abrams is one more flop away from losing his current standing entirely. If I were Brad Grey, I’d hire John Byrne to write the story, and find a director who could get the film made in two years…

147. VulcanFilmCritic - November 5, 2011

@raffle: “Enough with the cartoonesque Good Guy VS. Bad Guy thing.”

I agree. The best conflicts comes from tensions between the crew of the Enterprise, rather than with some “thing” or “bad guy” out there.

148. Alf - November 5, 2011

Yes, enough of this good guy/bad guy thing. Let’s have a riveting “enterprise stuck in a corrosive gas cloud and is only saved at the last minute by Keenser who sacrifices himself to eject the warp core to blow the enterprise clear of the cloud” episode. That will get the audiences pouring into the cinema’s.

149. Hat Rick - November 5, 2011

Wasn’t there a rumor that Javier Bardem was in the running for a role in the next Trek movie? So now it turns out that it’s Del Toro, if reports are to be believed.

Too bad. We coulda had “No Undiscovered Country for Old Men.”

150. Hat Rick - November 5, 2011

Actually, while we’re on the subject of cool people to star in the next Trek film, let me throw in Johnny Depp as a decent choice, IMHO.

Not only does he have name recognition and an association with a name franchise (the “Pirates” films, admittedly on their last (peg)legs, perhaps), but Depp is a great actor to boot. He does “moody” and “weird” extremely well, in addition to “postmodern Errol Flynn.” What more can you ask for?

151. Fantomex - November 5, 2011

@21. Nero had just as good motivations as any bad guy in any movie.

As for what happened with Spock Prime, well, that was all in his mind’s eye. You just didn’t get it.

152. John - November 5, 2011

Yes I agree – enough of this good guy/bad guy thing!

153. Kirk, James T. - November 5, 2011

Sounds like a superb choice, although, I’ve never seen him in anything so if they want to sell Star Trek overseas more, then perhaps they need to consider these famous people types too:

Johnny Depp
Tom Cruise
Brad Pitt
Leonardo De Caprio
Russell Crowe
Christian Bale
Morgan Freeman
Michael Caine
Daniel Craig
Harrison Ford – that would be surreal, Han Solo in Star Trek!
Shia LaBouf

However, Chris Pine and Zoe Saldana have made names for themselves in recent months across the pond in Blighty and with Pine’s comedy coming out next year with Hardy, couldn’t hurt his overseas profile.

As for Del Toro, he looks like an old school klingon to me, more than he looks like Khan – which I’m 100% certain wont be the big bad in the next movie.

I hope Star Trek 2 does as well as The Dark Knight – Star Trek deserves it.

154. Garak - November 5, 2011

I agree with the “Inside The Production”. There may be two villains. I do not recall who said that, if Bob Orci and Kurtzman Akex, they were thinking about the possibility of two stories within the film and one of them would serve to further third. Maybe Del Toro as the Klingon Koloth and another actor kept secret as Khan. Abrams and Co. love to do that.

155. Kojak - November 5, 2011

There may be two villains, really, why not?

156. Kojak - November 5, 2011

the conflict between the characters is one of the most important points in Star Trek, but we need someone or sometinhg who causes it. Khan would be one of those. Even the Klingons could cause doubts about being right or wrong to act that way. “Errand of Mercy” was a fine example.

157. Hugh Hoyland - November 5, 2011

Okay who’s playing the Borg queen? We know who Khan is already.

And if there aint Mayans in it Im gonna be real mad! :]

158. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - November 5, 2011

Get Tom Hanks as Commodore Decker. There can be no other Decker for the new movie.

159. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - November 5, 2011

Hey Bob, Can you tell us if Tom Hanks as either been approached for the new movie or if you have considered him for it.

160. Kojak - November 5, 2011

Tom Hanks could overshadow Del Toro. I do not think we have a celebrity on Star Trek 2

161. John Gill - November 5, 2011

#158: Now THAT is a great idea!!!!

162. Kojak - November 5, 2011

would Del Toro agree to use a Klingon mask and spend hours and hours in a makeup chair?

163. trekman dave - Lets show Anthony we care - November 5, 2011

Nice ideas – thanks Rosario T. Calabria

164. GraniteTrek - November 5, 2011

Well if they’re trying to keep it secret, it’s a villain we already know – why keep secret the name of a new character nobody knows? – and given the Hispanic casting, take a guess who it is.

165. captain_neill - November 5, 2011

Benico Del Toro was in the Bond film, Licence to Kill.

Why do I fear that Khan is going to be rehashed?

166. Bart - November 5, 2011

what is it with this villain thing?? Star Trek is more than good guy vs bad guy. It’s science fiction, you can do anything!! And then come up with a villain is so lame… Where did Star Trek go?

167. Rosario T. Calabria - November 5, 2011

Inside The Production

There is little way of confirming your “insider” status, therefore I politely ask that you leave this thread solely to the news at hand, which is that Abrams wants Benicio Del Toro as a villain in the Star Trek sequel.

Speculation is fine, but we’re months away from the film even entering production and months away still…at least…from it hitting the theaters. It does no one any good to be discussing other villains and story elements that you say will be present in the film without any sort of proof.

So let’s just leave this post to discussing Benicio as a potential villain in Abrams’ Star Trek sequel.


168. The Last Vulcan - November 5, 2011

The Man Of Steel is stocking up on superstars, casting nearly every role to huge name talent, and it seems as it is a formula well worth emulating in Trek. It’s going to draw in the audiences, especially the int’l ones, who couldn’t care less about Trek but only want to see big stars in action sequences. As for Del Toro, maybe he can be the Borg Queen! Don’t get me wrong, I love the Borg and still consider them the best “race” to be featured in Trek, but I’m not 100% sure that boborci, JJ, et al. would go with a Khan/Borg split. Although the thought of placing the Botany Bay at the credits of the first movie may be tipping the hand… but who on this board (other than boborci) knows?

169. Greenberg - November 5, 2011

I couldn’t remember his face. Had to Google him, didn’t I? I regret that decision!

170. N - November 5, 2011

What is it with all the assumptions Star Trek XII will either be Rehash of Khan or Again with the Klingons?

There’s a chance they’ll come up with an original idea.

171. Phil - November 5, 2011

@71. I stand corrected. Add the S, crooked politician. No S, medium, still crooked, though.

172. N - November 5, 2011

I’d like to see Cardassians in XII

173. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - November 5, 2011

I want to see the Gorn and have them appear as they did in TOS.
it could be called.
Star Trek. The Gorn Identity

174. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - November 5, 2011

Let’s get mark Haimel and Harrison Ford to have a brief Cameo in the movie. Ford can play Harry Mudd a Space pirate of sorts and Hamel can play Syerno Jones.
Yes. That would work.

175. Radioactive Spock - November 5, 2011

Khan works if circumstances of his revival steer him into a good guy role for this film, in that he serves his own self interest by assisting Kirk and crew against another threat. That leaves the possibility for his turning bad for later, perhaps due to something Kirk does as a necessity, similar to his being stranded on Seti Alpha V.

Also, why do the nay-sayers seem to be gathering steam on this site? So much more ridiculous flaming than there used to be. Mr. Orci has been beyond cool in his interactivity with us and it seems like some are intentionally trying to aggravate him. Not that they shouldn’t have a voice, but it’s getting out of hand IMO.

176. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - November 5, 2011

Oh and Ford and Hamels ship can be called the Falcon.

177. The Inner Light - November 5, 2011

Is it such a shame that we always need to have a classic villian. Some of the best Star Trek’s ever had no villian. The City on the Edge of Forever, The Trouble with Tribbles, The Inner Light, The Visitor, Star Trek 4 – The Voyage Home, etc.

I could go on and on, but great science fiction doesn’t always need a shoot ’em up classic villian. It is too bad that we’ve gotten to the point that you can’t have a successful movie without the story attributing itself to a “villian.”

178. - November 5, 2011

It would be nice if it was a compelling story that did not have a villain as such.

179. Buzz Cagney - November 5, 2011

#170 well I guess anything is possible.

180. Nano - November 5, 2011

~Trek 1.2~
Is a new vision with endless possibilities, I envision a twisted version of an old favorite, a suave yet wicked Harry Mudd; additionally I’m leaning towards Toro’s character to be Pikes nemesis.
How about Toro the Talosian :) You only see that which he allows.
Our best bet is to seek out Easter Eggs within the comics.
Strictly based on appearance I feel he might be Trelane.
As preference I would prefer like to see a Gary Seven type character.

181. Buzz Cagney - November 5, 2011

#153 Pine and Zoe have made names for themselves here in the UK? Really? Doing what? I must have missed that!

182. Phil - November 5, 2011

Isn’t it amazing that all it takes is one person who is full of s*** to get everyone working up non-existant scripts? Sorry, but having a movie chock full of existing dead Trek villians is just some fan boys wet dream, and we have just been enabling this guy. Even the Del Toro rumor is just that, JJ and BDT had a conversation. Until he’s introduced, it’s just speculation.

183. ripleyaeryn - November 5, 2011

Interesting cast for Del Toro, great actor.

I’d be more than happy if Scott Bakula reprises his part of Admiral Archer and if Chris Hemsworth could come back as George Kirk.

No more Spuhura (heavy), more dream team (Spock/McCoy/Kirk), more character developping and above all, more story about Federation and what’s really Star Trek. First Contact and The Voyage Home are still awesome to watch!

184. Spiked Canon - November 5, 2011

V’Ger comment funny. Hanks comment intriguing. Borg comment ludicrous. Orci comments very Orci. Khan? don’t think so. Organian possibilities are workable. I see Del Toro as Kor. It makes a lot of sense. They can play shootem up for an hr and a half until the Organians step in. Mean while we have all the internal relationship stuff with the regulars. Thoughts?

185. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - November 5, 2011

2 Words.
Doomsday Machine.

186. Harry Ballz - November 5, 2011

139. “the pretty colours and the loud bangs!”

Now, you see, Buzz, that’s where we’re different.

Me, I like the loud colours and the pretty bangs!


187. Nony - November 5, 2011

I’m not as interested in the villain as I am in what the emotional challenges will be to our intrepid crew. The second movie’s gotta have a big heart-wrenching hook, a la Spock sacrificing himself or Han Solo in carbonite!

Bob, if you’re still hanging around – did you ever consider reviving the McCoy-with-terminal-illness storyline from ‘For The World Is Hollow…’? I was watching it the other day and thinking Karl Urban could do wonderful justice to it.

(And to stay on topic…..Benicio Del Toro, I could get behind that!)

188. Nick Cook - November 5, 2011

Del Toro is an excellent actor. I think he’d make a great foil for Kirk and co, so I’ll take this as good news. :)

189. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - November 5, 2011

I think Del Toro will be an Excellent choice. Having an Oscar Winner like him would be a big thing for Trek. Also. With him being an International Star will really help the Overseas Box Office.

190. Aurore - November 5, 2011

Is this what some native English speakers call a “thick Spanish accent”?

In the movie Traffic(2000), he had to speak English, at some point, and, did so with a noticeable accent. But, within the context of the movie, it made perfect sense:

In interviews, however, what I hear from him always sounds intelligible… to me.

191. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 5, 2011

You know Bob, you can knock down a few of these troubling rumors without devulging plot points. I know, you’re concerned about our deductive reasoning abilities.

192. C Mosenko - November 5, 2011

Perhap kahn is found at the end of the movie, this time by the Klingons. And in another 4 years we find out what happens. Or perhaps an evil Gumbie tries to is returned to earth by V’ger.

After thinking about it, I would rate the villans in this order:
1) The Romulan Commander in Balance of Terror
2) Commadore Decker and the Doomsday machine
3) General Chang – ST VI
4) Korr and Kang (tied)
5) Commander Kruge – ST III
6) Romulan Commander in The Enterprise Incident
7) Kahn- Space Seed – ST II
8) The Mirror universe
9) Nomad
10) The mobsters on a piece of the action.

Lots of fun charecters when you start thinking about the many charecters.

193. DeShonn Steinblatt - November 5, 2011

184. Borg comment ludicrous.

Yep. Those ridiculous, asinine space zombies were the spinoffs’ most embarassing and nerdiest low point. However, I enjoy the mindset that is revealed by saying no to overusing Khan but yes to overusing the Borg.

194. Lord Garth, Formerly of Izar - November 5, 2011

For Christ’s sake they better not be doing Space Seed

Maybe for the third picture but it feels like they are aiming for that with this next film.

I also get the sense that they might just be going back to the second incarnation of the original Star Trek II script which had many of the elements we saw in Khan but had a whole additional story that had Khan escaping Ceti Alpha to set himself up as some sort of intergalactic religous fanatic demi-god figure with an armada of followers and ships at his side. They of course dropped all that in the interests of time and budget but the original Space Seed was only 45 minutes long. What is they incorporate that story with that of Khan setting himself up as some sort of larger than life fanatical figure with Rebel Starfleet, Klingonm ect ships and armies at his side for either a huge showdown at the end of the first film or a conclusion in the second with his Ultimate banishment to Ceti Alpha

You heard it here first

195. Phobos - November 5, 2011

I don’t know this Del Toro actor but my first impression when sifting through Google images is that he is unique. Appears to be a good pick.

Here he is giving the Vulcan salute, or almost :-)

Get this movie out for late summer 2012. This waiting thing of waiting years between movies is hard.

196. VZX - November 5, 2011

The Borg?!? Haha, that is so ridiculous. It just shows that Mr. Inside the Production is just enjoying his time trying to get us Trek fans all jazzed over a rumor he is making up.

Really, dude. Really.

Anyway, I just heard a report that JFK is still alive and had cosmetic surgery and remade into Bill Clinton. My “friend” told me so.

197. Phil - November 5, 2011

Nothing wrong with intrigue and suspense to tell a story, though I don’t think Trek has ever managed to pull off this kind of story successfully. TUD probably came close.

198. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - November 5, 2011

Ok. Next Trek should be Space hippies looking for Eden. Yay brother!!!!!

199. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - November 5, 2011

A Remake of let that be your last Battlefied would be kinda kool. loki is still on the run.

200. Aurore - November 5, 2011

“Anyway, I just heard a report that JFK is still alive and had cosmetic surgery and remade into Bill Clinton. My “friend” told me so.”

Now, this is completely off-topic, but, THAT is what I call a worthy subject matter for your new show about conspiracies, Toto…..Oooooh…I can see it !!!

This is gold I’m telling you!!!


201. jas_montreal - November 5, 2011


202. boborci - November 5, 2011

191. Sadly, ruling anything out makes other things more likely!

203. Buzz Cagney - November 5, 2011

how about a pretty loud bang then, Harry? ;-) Sorry, i just realised that reads like some kind of an offer! It wasn’t!

My dog hates the fireworks. For some reason he finds jumping in the bath tub comforting! He’s going to be spending the next few hours in there I think!

204. ster j - November 5, 2011

I vote for the Romulan Commander from Balance of Terror!


How about Benecio Del Toro as Stonn Rosario Dawson as T’Pring?

(He looks more like a Klingon to me, tho…)

205. Shilliam Watner - November 5, 2011

Bob Orci – Have you seen that Stephen King’s new book is about the JKF assassination, and somebody apparently going back in time to stop it? At least that’s what it seemed to say, I didn’t really give the synopsis a good look because King doesn’t do it for me any longer.

Still, maybe you want to option it for a film. Or, since it’s almost a thousand pages, maybe a miniseries…

206. Vultan - November 5, 2011

#151 Fantomex

No, I got it.
Nero was mad at Spock for being late. Spock suffered for it.

Yep… really deep stuff there.

207. Buzz Cagney - November 5, 2011

I’m getting the distinct impression you didn’t hugely enjoy ’09, Vults!
btw loved the tie him to the railway track crack. Good ‘un!

And in other Trek news….

208. Buzz Cagney - November 5, 2011

(and sorry to non-car fans but I just need to say this to Vults- I say TG America for the first time last night. Yup, its not good is it. It has the same good production values as TG:UK but it is rather strained. Won’t be watching it again)
And back to you. ;)

209. Vultan - November 5, 2011


Oh no, Buzz, I enjoyed the movie.
I enjoyed it as much as… “Spock’s Brain.”

Thanks for the link. Interesting stuff.
You might be interested to know that “A Piece of the Action” is still banned in Chicago. ;)

210. Buzz Cagney - November 5, 2011

that should have read ‘i saw TG America….’
I wish you could do edits on here!

211. Buzz Cagney - November 5, 2011

#209 lol at the Chicago one. You are on good form today mate!

212. Vultan - November 5, 2011


Yep. I watched about ten minutes of one episode and that was enough for me. Sure, the original Brit version is scripted in many places… but at least they do a good job hiding it!

213. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - November 5, 2011

Bob Orci knows that if he gives us a Nugget that we will figure it out here on Trek Movie. Right Bob,.

214. Buzz Cagney - November 5, 2011

Indeed, Vults. Clarkson did laugh at TG being awarded a Best Unscripted Programme Trophy at one time!
Right, i’m off to take the boy to watch some fireworks. Speak later. ;)

215. Shilliam Watner - November 5, 2011

I personally liked ST09. It’s easy to point out its story flaws but the other Trek movies had plenty of them as well. I think people just overlook them more because they perceived them as “purer” Trek and had so much love for the cast. Even our beloved TWOK had some pretty stupid things. Like not knowing that Ceti Alpha VI had exploded! Thinking they were on a different planet, not even noticing that one was missing?!

But I’m not going to pick on stupid things here. There hasn’t been a Trek movie where I wished they had done something differently. And time travel ALWAYS brings up serious problems that just simply have to be overlooked for the sake of the story. If you try to explain away every paradox that would become your plot.

No doubt in my mind that ST09 could have been improved, but I enjoyed it very much, saw it three times in the theater and have watched the DVD about five times, so I guess I must have been fairly pleased. I’ve only watched TWOK and First Contact as many times.

I’m “seasoned” enough to have watched Trek when it was first on, though I was too young to understand much. Still, I grew up with Star Trek. The movie could have ended up in far less competent hands.

But mostly, I want Trek back on TV. A movie every four years is not that satisfying.

216. boborci - November 5, 2011

213. Correct. If you were all dumber, i could give more clues.

217. Tony Hardy - November 5, 2011

Well, if Benecio does portray Khan, then that’s great! He has the acting chops and physicality to pull it off and add something new to it. If not, then he’s still a superb choice for any part (Klingon or otherwise) that J.J. casts him in. Regardless, I’m really looking forward to it!

218. Obsidian - November 5, 2011

215 – “But mostly, I want Trek back on TV. A movie every four years is not that satisfying.”

The Wat says it all there. Amen, bro.

Who should be the next Trek villain? Two words: Carrot Top. ;)

219. Enterprise BC - November 5, 2011

Bob, I have great respect for your devotion to secrecy. Even though I’m eager to learn more about this film I think the secrecy actually adds more excitement. And you’re right, if you did give us a hint we’d probably either figure it out or narrow it down, and it’s still too early in the pre-production process for that to happen… right?

220. Vultan - November 5, 2011

I think the obvious choice to play Khan is Bronson Pinchot.
I mean… Balki… Khan… pretty much the same character.

221. RAMA - November 5, 2011

Bob Orci…lots of fans are impatient, but I think that’s a good sign. There’s lots of anticipation for this movie. So once they get over the slowness of the production…a lot of them will be on the edge of their seat.

Now that that’s said…I hope there aren’t any Klingons or Kahn in this movie. lol

222. Keachick (rose pinenut) - November 5, 2011

Odkin – Wow. First of all, I don’t make crass comments about Americans celebrating Halloween in the big way that they do. Halloween is pretty much ignored here, however the opportunity to let off some fireworks and look at the pretty coloured lights is not. I doubt that most people here even know who Guy Fawkes was, what he tried to do and what his gripe was about. Anyway, fireworks go back to the Chinese. I think they had versions 3,000 years ago or something like that. It is not about making some kind of political/religious statement. It is about people having a good time doing stuff they don’t normally get to do…
(The sale of fireworks is restricted to two(?) days before 5 November and there are no sales allowed after that date).

Why Guy Fawkes is bigger here than in the US may have something to do with who migrated to colony countries like the US and NZ and when, and what favourite traditions these people brought with them. It is odd that Guy Fawkes has always (as long as I can remember) been a favourite, since NZ has been predominately Christian-Protestant country, with generally about a third being Catholic-Christans. Catholics also get into Guy Fawkes and manage to have fun as well.

Buzz – Have fun. If only our Shadow were a bit more like your dog. Shadow has to stick her nose into everything, potentially dangerous or not. Where her owner goes, she must as well…:), hence the name.

Chris Pine looked cool and dapper in what he wore for the Halloween party he attended, with the “mystery woman”. Zachary Quinto was cool also in his own – gave me the giggles when I saw what he wore. He would make a good floral poster boy…:)! Seriously, though, I loved the way both of them looked.

I was familiar with the name, Benecio Del Toro, but not much more than that, so I looked him up on IMDb, to get the latest low-down on him. Sorta makes sense, really, don’t you think, Craiger? Lucky I did, because I found out that he has a baby daughter. Cool, ha! He looks like a good choice to play in a movie like Star Trek.

Finally, what is all this race obsession? So what if Benecio is Hispanic and perhaps plays Khan. No doubt it would be better to cast an actor from the Indian sub-continent to play the Sikh Khan, but as I am hoping that if Khan does appear in the sequel, he only gets a small part anyway. I keep imagining that Khan appears the way a fly suddenly falls into your soup laden spoon just as you are about to put it in your mouth… Anyway, we don’t know who Benecio will be playing and it could be that they are casting around for an Hindu/Indian (as opposed to an Amerindian) to play Khan. Maybe they already have him.

OMG This is a long post. Oh well. Must be off for now. Things to do, places to be, blah, blah, blah.

223. Harry Ballz - November 5, 2011

205. Shilliam Watner

“Stephen King’s new book is about the JFK assassination, and somebody apparently going back in time to stop it…..maybe you want to option it for a film”

Hell, Bob can simply option my screenplay of 120 pages on the same premise and save a bundle!


224. Cygnus-X1 - November 5, 2011

I’ll be shocked if they decide to bring back Khan.

I doubt that Bob thinks that trying to resurrect that character that was so brilliantly played by Ricardo Montalban is a good idea. Might as well try to resurrect Humphrey Bogart’s character from Casablanca while you’re at it. Or Marlon Brando’s Don Corleone.

I would love to see Benicio del Toro in any Star Trek role, though. He’d make a fantastic villain…or good guy…or anything.

225. The Sky's The Limit! - November 5, 2011

The funny thing here is that Bob Orci is sitting back laughing his butt off watching this disinformation stream by . . .

Casting Benecio Del Toro is a smokin’ good choice for any character they have in mind. He’s got the chops to pull off any diverse role so, my bet is the villain has nothing to do with any of the Khan histeria that’s plagued us since the last movie.

JMO . . .


226. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - November 5, 2011

boborci – November 5, 2011
213. Correct. If you were all dumber, i could give more clues.

Hey. Now what is that supposed to mean. Oh come on Bob. We can play Dumb. (wink wink)

227. Harry Ballz - November 5, 2011

Dumb? Some of the folk here are about as sharp as a pound of wet leather!

228. Daoud - November 5, 2011

Klingon? Recall Del Toro’s look in Che…

Looks more Klingon to me than Khan.

Of course, Klingons have been augmented with Khan-augment DNA.
‘Splains a lot.

229. Daoud - November 5, 2011

Khan? Clean shaven, hair pulled back… remember his look in Sin City…

How long before people photoshop a few bumps and Klingonize the outfit in the first picture, and Khanize him in the Sin City poster, I wonder…

230. Keachick (rose pinenut) - November 5, 2011

Oh Bob, flattery will get you somewhere, trying to think where right now…:>)

For myself, I work at being dumb, not dumber, but I could be dumber, if that meant you would give us more genuine clues. Does that sound like a plan?

231. garth - November 5, 2011


232. Lt. Dakin - November 5, 2011

I’m for del toro as Kang, Chang, or Kruge

233. steve-nyc - November 5, 2011

Its KHAN!!!! Can’t be anyone else! COOL!!!!!!!!!!

234. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - November 5, 2011

No it’t can’t be Khan. It has to be Something. Right!!!!.

235. VZX - November 5, 2011

200: Umm..yeah! That’s the ticket! And, Marilyn Monroe was remade into Hilary Clinton!

BTW: What did Captain Picard so to Jeordi when the sewing machine broke?
Answer: “Make it sew!”

236. Travis - November 5, 2011

Come on guys…. Think of the alt. universe here.

1:KHAN: We all know that Khan leaves earth and gets frozen in the year 1996. When Nero changed the timeline the change did NOT effect Khan what so ever. The botony bay and its followers stayed the same!!. Why cant you people ever accept this… Learn about temperal mechinics and you will see im right. Therefore Khan more than likely will be in the sequel. You can NOT change the path of the Enterprise nor Kirk and Company… it stays the same.

2: BORG: Ive been reading peoples posts here on the borg and let me say this… Has anybody watched Star Trek Enterprise: Regeration????…. If you have then you will have known or figured out that Picard SCREWED UP!!!. Captain Archer and the Enterprise NX-01 was to NEVER have engaged the borg. There was no record in TOS timeline of Archer engaging the borg until now… What picard has done has changed the path of the borg… possible of making the borg engage Kirk now. The borg was already in the 2009 movie… Read the comic Star Trek: Countdown and you’ll find out. Now your probably going to say that Nero’s presence in changing the timeline had some effect on Archer…. WRONG!!!. Nero only changed the present on the spot to where he landed in the 23rd century… 2233. This change only effects 2233 and beyond… not the past. This means V’Ger, Khan, Captain Archer, this timeline stayed the same until the exact time Nero came into the 23rd century. Which means the New Enterprise and crew does the same important missions… V’Ger comes to earth, Kirk finds the botony bay and wakes Khan. The Borg will come eariler because of their presence in the 22nd century with 24th century technology…. You guys see the pattern… stop denying and accept that V’Ger will be seen again, Khan will be seen again, the Borg will be seen again… because they were NOT affected by Nero’s change to the alt. universe!!!!!…. It all BEGINS AGAIN!!!!!

237. LJ - November 5, 2011

@ 140 Kahn can’t run the IMF, you need a European, preferably French, surname to do that. Maybe Picard. Just kidding.

One person I’d love to see in the new movie would be Michael Dorn as Colonel Worf. Alongside Spock, IMHO, Worf is one of the two most important characters (and his family one of the two most important) in Trek. Look at the parallels: both the first of their race in Starfleet, both aliens trying to fit into a foreign (human) world, both important political figures withing their own powers (Worf becoming a kingmaker three times: Gowron as chancellor, the Kahless clone as emperor, Martok as chancellor), both become interstellar diplomats. Worf is the TNG era answer to Spock, not Data.

Personally, I don’t mind if Khan is there or not. We’ve only had three hours of Khan in how many hours of Trek? He’s hardly an overused character. On the other hand, Q and the Borg are overused (not that it is suggested they will appear). Hell, even Doctor Who made the decision to rest the Daleks (they need more of the Master though).

238. ironhyde - November 5, 2011

Huh.. Benecio del Toro… I really don’t see him as Khan. I don’t see the bravado or articulation of Khan in him at all… Anyway, I truly hope that’s not their choice for Khan, and instead he’s going to be a Romulan, rogue starfleet Captain, klingon, or cardassian. I’m hoping for surprises.

239. dmduncan - November 5, 2011

216. boborci – November 5, 2011

213. Correct. If you were all dumber, i could give more clues.


I promise to keep all my insanely accurate long distance inferences to myself. So go ahead. Hit me. ;-)

240. dmduncan - November 5, 2011

Additionally, I promise to redact all the important words from any post where I might happen to correctly infer the answer, so nothing will be divulged.

241. Christopher Roberts - November 5, 2011

Oh man. I so had my money on Ben Cross as the Romulan Commander… :-)

A young Benicio Del Toro was in a great Bond movie, Licence to Kill.

242. Rusty0918 - November 5, 2011

#236 – Travis, you’re right. There are events that are still yet to happen. V’Ger, the Doomsday Machine, Khan. the whale probe (which sort of throws a damper in Orci’s time travel stuff ), etc. etc. etc.

For your information, I was party expecting a scene where Nero uses the Botany Bay as target practice a la Klaa and the Pioneer space probe in “Star Trek V.”

#230 – Work at being dumb? You mean being a airhead bimbo?

243. LJ - November 5, 2011

Should have added that an actor like Del Toro will add a lot of ‘street cred’ to the next film, as he’s respected by those who like ‘cool’ gangster-like flicks. Good choice, good actor.

Reading a lot of the comments, I got a good idea for the new villain: Guy Fawkes! It is funny how a terrorist has been appropriated by the masses protesting for freedom (and the holiday is nowadays confused with a fight for freedom, when Fawkes & Co.’s aims were, arguably, the opposite), but imagine a religious terrorist in the Trek universe: what messages and lessons could be passed to the audience! I know religion (human religion anyway) has never had much of a place in Trek, for obvious reasons (we are a united society with no prejudices by the 23rd century), but such a story would be relevant.

244. LJ - November 5, 2011

Forgot to say: Happy Bonfire Night, Guy Fawke’s Night, or whatever you call it wherever you are! Good to know that it is still celebrated in other parts of the Anglosphere too!

245. LJ - November 5, 2011

@153 No Shia ‘I kill everything I’m in’ La Boeuf please. Where I live we call him The Destroyer as he ruins things we loved as kids: Transformers, Indiana Jones, etc. Now if it’s someone like Morgan Freeman, Forrest Whittaker, Michael Caine, then you’re talking.

246. somethoughts - November 5, 2011

boborci, I have made a baby boy and is due around December, if you divulge any details, I may name him after you!

247. LJ - November 5, 2011

Actors who could add the most gravitas to the next movie, in my opinion, an absolute wishlist I know: Ian McKellen (Federation President Robert April), Christopher Lee (Romulan Praetor), Helen Mirren (C-in-C Starfleet), Derek Jacobi (Federation or Romulan Ambassador).

248. SpencerJayK - November 5, 2011

Whoever plays it, I just hope more attnetion was paid to the villain in the film. One of my only disappointments with the SUPERB 2009 film was that Nero was written pretty thin…which was doubly disappointing because I thought Orci/Kurtzman did a fantastic job with Philip Seymour Hoffman’s character in MI:3. It totally made sense when Mr. Orci (or Mr. Kurtzman—can’t remember) said that Trek09 was a “hero’s movie” because it was an origin story. I mean, Eric Bana himself famously called the role “a cameo” in an early interview (before the movie came out) and had to walk that statement back a little—that should say it all.

I hope now that the hero’s have been established the Supreme Court felt comfortable spending a little more time on the villain. Maybe the fact that they’re going after an actor of Benicio Del Toro’s caliber is an indication of that…

249. spooky - November 5, 2011

A couple of things: 1. Please, no Khan rehash or something to that effect. 2. Why is it that the Star Trek universe only ever has one threatening villain at any given time?

1. Did they watch Star Trek: Nemesis. That was a Khan rehash, take some notes and walk away. Khan has been done better and briliantly so leave it alone.
2 Wouldn’t you think that a universe as vast as the one in Star Trek would have a multiple number of villains working towards their own agendas. Some coule be collaborating as well.

I’ll keep my fingers crossed that that is not the case here. We will find out more sometime next year. To the writers; shine more light on the classic trek aliens that never got a shot in the films. I personally would love to see possible stories set around; Andorians, Gorn, Tellarites, Tholians, Iconians, Voth, and Q. As for the possible casting of Benecio Del Toro, this does not automatically mean that he is playing Khan. If he is just another cut and dry villain, then that is too bad.

250. alec - November 5, 2011

He would fit with khan. please. please. No more klingons, etc…

251. somethoughts - November 5, 2011

Benicio Del Toro played the wolfman eh?

Does this mean Benicio Del Toro is to play a Klingon?
That would be pretty bad ass.

252. dmduncan - November 5, 2011

Is anyone keeping score about the number of rumors we’ve had over the past few years? Klingons, Talosians, Khan, Borg, Gary Mitchell, Trelane, what else? Basically means it could be about anything. Doesn’t feel like we’re getting closer to an answer…feels like we’re getting farther away.

Heck, Bob was probably the guy who called that Brazilian site using his Kermit the Frog voice and dropped the rumor about Klingons.

It’s a conspiracy to disinfo Trekkies! Occupy Bad Robot!!!

253. dmduncan - November 5, 2011

Right. No more Klingons. Just like the Vulcans have a sister race — the Romulans, the Klingons should have one too called the Gluons. The movie should be about the Gluons. Definitely.

254. dmduncan - November 5, 2011

Cuz that’s just how Star Trek rolls. Tired of Klingons? Why then just paste that knobby forehead on some other race and give ’em a different name. Voila! What was old is new again. Trekkie heaven.

255. Christopher Roberts - November 5, 2011

254. Kazon. Ugh.

256. dmduncan - November 5, 2011

How about some new villains? Like Sarcastians. Y’know, they’re not so much bad guys as just total jerks. That would be different.

257. dmduncan - November 5, 2011

I just wish JJ would get off that secret toilet he has and make the announcement. You know? “We have seen the bad guy…and he is us…”

258. Dee - lvs moon' surface - November 5, 2011

#222. Keachick…

Maybe Chris Pine, was there… in the “sushy Halloween party” with naked woman on the table… searching for a scene that boborci wrote…

You know a party with green women… “Kirk y las mujeres verdes”… maybe Benicio del Toro will participate in this scene… LOL… but I think never boborci would confirm this for us here… but we are genius and we figure it out!…. +LOL

Hi, Mr. Bob Orci… Good to see you here again!!!….. :-) :-)

259. DeShonn Steinblatt - November 5, 2011


No, we’re getting very, very close. Del Toro rules out everybody except Khan or, possibly, a Klingon. However, a thickly accented Klingon is very unlikely whereas a thickly accented Khan is, well, Khan.

260. Harry Ballz - November 5, 2011

256. “Like Sarcastians”

Yeah, right! Like THAT would ever happen!


261. VA Mhoram, USS Garroting Deep. - November 5, 2011

I think they got it right with the last movie, and they will get it right with this one too. I’m not concerned with who the villian is or if there is one at all. I just want to go to the box office, buy my ticket, and sit in the theater with Trek on the big screen, and lose myself in it for a couple of hours. And I just hope that the movie has the right mix to make it popular enough so that there will be a next one. And another after that. And so on. Forever. JJ and company, to me, have kept the heart of what made Star Trek mean so much to me and my family. I am in thier debt.

262. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - November 5, 2011

Star Trek has Boldly Gone Where no man has gone before in a Wink of an Eye and of course it was the Children who shall lead but then Space Seed bread Bred and circus and then there was That Which Survives and it brought on The Dooms Day Machine which led us to Let that be your last Battlefied. That in Turn caught The Enterprise Incident which led us to The Ultimate Computer and it caused us to visit the Menagerie in 2 parts. After that visit we had to endure Platos Stepchildren and his Obsession with The Naked Time. After we were clothed we took some Shorleave. After that was up we ran into I Mudd and his Mudds Women and after a Tryest we got caught in a Tholians Web. After we got out we got in to A Peice of the Action. After that we took a trip and went to Tomorrow is Yesterday and after we returned we took a short trip to Amok Time. Then went on over to the dark side and it was a Devil in the Dark. Then to a little trip and went into a Ballence of Terror. After that escape we had a Day of the Dove. But that was not as pleasnt. But with Spocks Brain we had a Return of the Archons. They took us to a place in which the Immunity Syndrum took hold. All in all The Cage kept us from having to bad of a time. After that escape we went out to a place Where the World is Hollow and I have touched the Sky. Then returned to and had a new Assingment Earth.

263. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - November 5, 2011

Ok Bob. see I can play Dumb. Now how about a couple of Trek 2012 Tidbits. Please!.

264. AJ - November 5, 2011


Benicio Del Toro is now cast as the gruff, but lovable and zany intergalactic “Soup Nazi” in the Enterprise’s galley.

Spock’s life will never be the same as he is constantly denied the ‘best Plomeek Soup west of 8th Avenue’ for breaking the “rules” in line.

Spock: “Excuse me sir, there is a multi-legged creature crawling on your shoulder.”

Del Toro: “Really? NO SOUP FOR YOU!”

Spock: “Jim?…”

Kirk: “I’ll get you the soup. One Plomeek, and a chicken sandwich and coffee. There really is a bug on your shoulder…”

Del Toro: “Chicken sandwich and coffee?!…NO SOUP FOR YOU!”


265. dmduncan - November 5, 2011

Klingons are Star Trek’s quintessential trouble causers. I like Klingons. I like Khan too. In fact, I liked all the rumor options except for Trelane.

And with my luck guess what the movie ends up being about?

I shaddupa my face!

266. dmduncan - November 5, 2011

Wait. I’m not done yet. I’m unshaddupping.

The president of the United Federation of Planets is assassinated, and Kirk and company are in the crowd when it happens. Spock follows the evidence to radically different conclusions from the official ruling, and the crew of the Enterprise finds themselves targeted by the same people who engineered the president’s murder.

Stonewalling by powerful officials, a trail of suspicious deaths, Dick Cheney’s angry head barking orders from a jar.

Just some of the things you can expect to see…

267. Greg2600 - November 5, 2011

Why does there have to be a villain? Star Trek is not a comic book.

268. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 5, 2011

213. I don’t know Bob. I’m pretty dumb. Witness?
Just whisper it to me.

269. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 5, 2011

You see? I meant 216

270. dmduncan - November 5, 2011

I agree with seymour hiney. I think you are way overestimating our intelligence.

I think it’s safe to say that if you removed all the vowels and then spelled every word backwards, none of us would be able to figure it out.

Go, Bob. Let’s do this thing.

271. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 5, 2011

Yes, we get it. The events from the movies may occur again to our crew. But some of us don’t want to pay good money to watch them again. New universe/new ideas.

272. Let Them Eat Plomeek Soup - November 5, 2011


Hasn’t practically every episode, movie, and fan-made creation had a villain (unless it was some sort of heavily romantic plot)? I don’t mean the moustache-twirling kind–any kind.

But yes, now we have real news again. Hooray!

273. Gigastazio - November 5, 2011

Everybody, play dumb.

274. Rusty0918 - November 5, 2011

Well, as with villains…it all depends.

As with the Supreme Court saying that it woudln’t be a remake, well…depends on what you call a remake. They said the last movie would not be a reboot, but to most of us, it was. Don’t take what they say at face value. They could easily give us a hybrid bastard child of “Space Seed” and “Wrath of Khan” and pass it off as not being a remake.

My gripe is not that whether the movie will be bad or good, but if if they go the “Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen” route (vile, putrid, mindless, sexist, racist, offensive), will the critics, no matter how bad the movie really is, give him universal praise? With what they got away with in Trek XI, I can believe just about anything.

Another point about Khan. As much as I don’t want to see the most possible scenario (the cobble together of “Space Seed” and TWOK), keep in mind that TWOK doesn’t have the same prestige as “The Empire Strikes Back.” That’s one of the reasons they got away with that fanservice in Trek XI, and they could get away wtih it again.

275. rm10019 - November 5, 2011

Looking forward to more developments!

276. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 5, 2011

Yeah Bob, if you’re not gonna to listen to me, you should at least listen’a dmducan. What’s a matt’a? You don’t trust us?

277. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 5, 2011

“Everybody, play dumb.”
Too late.

278. Bilderberg Group Trek Fan - November 5, 2011

Finally some sequel news!

279. Aurore - November 5, 2011

Mr. Orci, I just had the most brilliant idea!!! (Yes, again!)

Instead of saying “Fascinating”, in the sequel, Spock should say “Organic”.

If you think it’s the dumbest idea you’ve ever heard, start sharing some spoilers with me.That ‘ll teach me.

I’ll feel, insulted, deeply offended, of course, but, I’ll survive.


280. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 5, 2011

#242 If you had been paying attention to what I wrote, you would see that I was directing my comments to Bob Orci. I guess your rude comments towards me only goes that you don’t have to be a bimbo to be an even dumber airhead.

And you are who, exactly?

281. MC1 Doug - November 5, 2011

I’m with you, Greg.

Let’s try something really different this time around, ESPECIALLY a real engineering deck!

282. the Quickening - November 5, 2011


I seem to recall an episode of the first television remake of THE TWILIGHT ZONE that featured a story about a professor, or someone, going back in time to view the JFK assassination. King and Orci are a little late.

283. Bilderberg Group Trek Fan - November 5, 2011

It would be great if they could find a role for Shatner in the sequel.

284. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 5, 2011

Edit: #280 “only goes that…” should read “only goes to show that…” My “airhead bimbo” brain goes faster than my fingers on this 20 year old IBM keyboard – “waste not, want not” used to be the catch phrase.

Now, on to replying to a lot more pleasant and interesting a post

#258 Dee. Yes, I wonder. You could be onto something here. The latest rumour has been confirmed by me..:>) that Bob Orci is leaving clues in part of his script about Kirk, Benecio and green women in NYC and it is up to our fine Pine to find the missing part of the script. Unfortunately, CP seems to be a man of few words. Bob just doesn’t trust that we can all be so incredibly and undeniably dumber than dumb or else he would have had someone more vocal find the script and the clues contained therein.

@Bob Orci – Trust, my dear man, trust is the key and we are trustworthy. We won’t tell a soul even if it “kills” us.

Everyone in agreement here? We can be both trustworthy and so very dumb! We will make a concerted effort to live up to this current assessment of our attributes.

285. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - November 5, 2011

Bob Orci. You can Trust us all here. We Promise. We Really Do!!!!!!!!!!.

286. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 5, 2011

To some of those who ask why the race of someone is so important in Hollywood movies:  The fact that a few wondering this do not live in the US may or may not be at play here.  A. Hollywood has a legacy of outright discrimination and misrepresentation of many races and nationalities.  2. People prefer their race portrayed properly. It’s important to them, especially when they’re a minority and public opinions can shape policy and atittudes and have real consequences. Something that those in the majority may never experience, the pride of seeing a familiar chracteristic or custom. Also there may not be many actingvjobs out there for the less “mainstream” among us.  And D. For the sake of realism, which I also think is important. 

Not trying to start a fight or change the subject. Just clarifying

287. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 5, 2011

Anyway, please no Khan.

288. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 5, 2011

Come on Orci, listen to Commodore Mike! I mean the guy’s a friggin’ Commodore!

289. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - November 5, 2011

Hey Bob. What is we all agree to take Dumb Pills. Please!!!!!

290. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 5, 2011

All right Orci, I’m done being nice! You shall feel my wrath!
Am I getting warmer?

291. JP - November 5, 2011

You see, Kirk and Spock get stranded on Earth. Earth of 1955. Where after a chance encounter with Kirk’s great great great great great great grandmother, where they almost sleep together, they come upon an eccentric scientist who claims to be able to send them back to their own time if they can get Kirk and Spock’s shuttlecraft up to warp 88 using 1.21 Jiggawatts.

Del Toro will star as Biff.

292. Hat Rick - November 5, 2011

Come to think of it, it would be very odd if the next Trek movie were to star Del Toro as Khan, given that it seems there is a bit of a disinclination to re-do Wrath of Khan. (Although, wouldn’t that be a hoot, using modern technology to create an asteroid that becomes a living world. Etc.)

A nightmare scenario: What if Del Toro is to play Harcourt Fenton Mudd?

293. Adolescent Nightmare - November 5, 2011


294. Trek Nerd Central - November 5, 2011


295. JP - November 5, 2011


296. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 5, 2011

What’s with all this talk about Madeline Kahn? No offense to her numerous fans here, but will she really make the best villain?

Unless of course… “Kirk and Spock Meet Young Frankenstein!”

297. Aurore - November 5, 2011


298. Dee - lvs moon' surface - November 5, 2011

Ok guys I’m sorry… but I’ve reached my peak playing the dumb here all the time… I have already given the best of me doing this … my best performance… if Mr. Bob Orci did not realize that… I can not do anything else… LOL…

:-) :-)

299. JP - November 5, 2011

The crew is on the bridge when the camera whip pans to one of the officers near the back of the bridge. The camera reveals… Will Riker. See he’s doing some soul searching on the holodeck and…

300. Red Dead Ryan - November 5, 2011

The sequel will feature two villains, a shadowy puppet master and his enforcer apprentice. The puppet master is manipulating the bureaucratic nature of the Federation Council for his own agenda, while the enforcer assassinates opponents of his master. The Ferengi are the “enemy” while the Federation President orders the resurrection of the eugenics project to create a powerful army of genetically engineered supersoldiers to fight against the army of androids employed by the Ferengi Alliance who have invaded Betazoid out of sheer greed. The leader of the Alliance is the shadowy puppet master, pulling all the strings in a galactic power play which will result in the downfall of the Federation, and the creation of a repressive Empire…….

Nothing is known about the Federation President, except that he is generally considered to be a nice guy who is well respected for his charisma and charm, and his motivations are generally assumed to be for the common good……

All of this takes place in a future not to distant from now, in a galaxy very, very much like our own…..

Heh heh heh……….. :-D

301. Capt Crash - November 5, 2011

Evening Bob…… my question regarding the next movie here; will the ending of the movie contain a story arc for the second sequel or will this one be more or less an isolated story in the vein the first one?
You can give that much can’t you?

302. Red Dead Ryan - November 5, 2011




303. JP - November 5, 2011

@ 300: is thattaway pal :P

304. N - November 5, 2011

#249 Only if Thoians and Gorn look the way they did in ENT, my only complaint about XI was that they didn’t give the Romulans their ridges, whether that was because they were lazy or not I don’t know.

A Voth story would be wonderful, I always felt they had so much potential. But in all honesty I don’t think the XI team would know who the Voth are :P

305. Vultan - November 5, 2011


I do! I do!

They were descended from the dinosaurs, right?
Yep. That was one of Voyager’s better episodes (and more intriguing aliens).

306. JP - November 5, 2011

The ones from “Distant Origin”?

307. Red Dead Ryan - November 5, 2011


A Voth story might be an interesting idea to expand upon, but as a movie, it probably wouldn’t work, or be of much interest to the mainstream audience.

If they do another show, however, the Voth could be expanded upon. And perhaps their planet is shared with their dinosaur cousins, some of whom were rescued shortly before the mass extinction.

Although the Voth live in the Delta Quadrant, so it would be unlikely we would see them again, unless the Voth settled on numerous other planets in various other locations, such as the Alpha and Beta Quadrants.

308. Hat Rick - November 5, 2011

Okay, I admit it. I have “inside information” that the next villain will, in fact, be Harry Mudd.

There. I said it.

309. N - November 5, 2011

#307 Very true, a film would need to rely on its audience having specific knowledge.
Though there’s nothing to say that after the Voyager encounter some might try and find their true home. IIRC the Voth were nomadic weren’t they?

I guess there’s a lot that would only really work in the future of the Prime Universe, personally that’s when I’d like to see a new series with the Endgame/All Good Things/The Visitor uniforms.

A race I always wanted to see explored (and wrote a fanfic about) is the Fen Domar.

As for XII, as I’ve said, Cardassians are on my wish list. I wonder what TOS era ships would’ve looked like.

310. Rusty0918 - November 5, 2011

OK…keachick, sorry, I didn’t quite get what you said. I don’t typically go through every post in this thing. I understand now and I apologize for the offensive remark.

As with the Voth, forget it.

311. dmduncan - November 5, 2011

Well my own sources say that the story does revolve around a sleeper ship full of 20th century characters, but the person most of interest is someone for whom there appears to be no historical record, and who goes by the name of William Jefferson Cramsnatch.

312. JP - November 5, 2011

It’ll go like this. Kirk is off in a shuttle craft doing a test flight when all of a sudden he gets shot through a wormhole. He wakes up on a ship. A living ship! Full of strange alien lifeforms. The movie revolves around him looking for a way home.

The ‘B’ story will revolve around Scotty (catch the reference) leaping through different time periods trying to make right what once was wrong and just hoping that his next leap will be the leap home.

313. N - November 5, 2011

Star Trek: The Butterfly Effect?

314. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - November 5, 2011

Star Trek. Gorn in 60 seconds.

315. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - November 5, 2011

Star Trek Incedious.

316. AJ - November 5, 2011


Has it been decided yet if the film will be done in some sort of 3D? That’s not a big reveal.

The stuff Peter Jackson is doing today on “Hobbit” sounds like a potential step-up in quality. Can you tell us?

317. Tony F - November 5, 2011

Since he cant be named it must be Lord Valdemort!

318. OMNI - November 5, 2011

Is Del Toro playing Baalok?!?

319. JP - November 5, 2011

Chekov breaks the warp 10 barrier and becomes a space salamander. Throw in a ship battle because its a movie and not an episode… Del Toro can play Chekov in salamander form.

320. Viking - November 5, 2011

‘boborci, I have made a baby boy and is due around December’

Al Czervik : “Hey, everybody! We’re all gonna get laid!”



I’m alright
Nobody worry ’bout me
Why you got to gimme a fight?
Can’t you just let it be?

321. Harry Ballz - November 5, 2011

Ruffles have ridges, NOT Romulans!

322. Mel - November 5, 2011

I really, really hope he won’t play Khan or a Klingon. I don’t want them in the sequel!

323. Dan - November 5, 2011

Benicio Del Toro will be the mumbling Khan! The dude mumbles everything he says. The guy got an oscar for mumbling!

324. NCM - November 5, 2011

boborci said the new comics will hint at what’s to come – hard to imagine how they could hint at something that would be completely new or unforeseeable to us. Therefore, I think we’re in for a rehash of something familiar.

They might do an excellent job with a remake – remake is the approach for the comics, which they’ve said will tie in with the film, but I’d hoped for something that would show Trek born anew, with a future not bound to Prime’s past, not just re-imagined.

I also like the idea of crew tension/grappling with challenges more thought-provoking than bad guys vs good guys; but if they’re looking to cast a villain… yeah, Del Toro or some such as a Klingon, or Khan… I’ll still buy all the comics and see the first available showing of the movie, but…. Damn it all, I don’t wanna be dumb, I just hope to be wrong.

325. Keachick (rose pinenut) - November 5, 2011

Our Bob Orci has disappeared again. That man is such a tease…:>)

Anyway, a question for Bob –

We are pretty sure that the Klingons are going to feature somewhere in this film, so –
Will Pine/Kirk have to eat Klingon garghh. He realises he must do this as a way of lifting “tapu” to allow a certain temporary peace to take place between the Enterprise and a Klingon vessel in order for the two adversaries to achieve something that both their survival depend on?

326. Shilliam Watner - November 5, 2011

My defense of Khan in the next film:

In Khan’s first appearance, he was an extremely formidable foe. Until he fought Kirk. Apparently his genetically engineered strength was lacking in the back and shoulder area, because Kirk beat him down with a plastic rod. A freaking, plastic rod!

It was one of the most anticlimactic battles in science fiction history.

In TWOK, Kirk and Khan never even occupied the same room! Khan would have wanted revenge for the plastic-tube-beating-down he took from Kirk! That had to have been festering in him for those fifteen years marooned on Ceti Alpha V. There is no way Khan would have been satisfied with a ship-to-ship battle. His superior intellect would have informed him that battling an experienced space jockey was stupid, and that his best way of defeating Kirk would be a physical battle. His chest alone was mightier than all of Kirk!

So I think we’re due a REAL battle between Kirk and Khan.

Not that I’m advocating for Khan in the sequel. But just in case it happens, isn’t this the best way to look at it? Their first meeting could finally be done right.

Just in case that DOES happen, I’d like to ask Bob Orci to NOT consider the inclusion of feeble plastic tubes in the film. Such things are not realistically a good weapon against a genetically engineered superman.

Make it a good battle, please. Kirk spent too much of ST09 getting the snot beat out of him. Sulu should never have had to rescue Kirk from that silly Romulan. Though it was a good moment for Sulu. Very studly. Kirk, on the other hand, was rather buffoonish.

327. Rusty0918 - November 5, 2011

#326 – Who is to say the rod was plastic?

NCM – That’s quite possible. Yeah, I woudln’t be surprised if we did get a remake. Yeah, JJ said it wouldn’t be, but I’ve learned NEVER to take what he says at face value.

I really hope I’m wrong about my predictions, but at this point, it doesn’t look like it.

328. JIm - November 5, 2011

Too early in the timeline for Khan. Does the sequel really need a super villain? Cant the Klingons be enough for a sequel? Where does this leave my campaign for Tom Hanks to be cast as Commodore Decker? So many questions… Such little time!

329. JP - November 5, 2011

I only have one thing I want from a new movie: No more super powered enemy ships that are 10 times as big as the Enterprise. It always strains credibility. Plus they’ve done it two movies in a row (Narada and Scimitar). It’s getting old, fast.

330. freezejeans - November 5, 2011

216. boborci

Is Del Toro playing Lloyd Christmas or Harry Dunne?

“Hey! Wanna hear the most annoying sound in the world? AAHHHHHGIIIIIIINNNNNGHHHH!!!”

331. AJ - November 5, 2011

The film needs a big-star reveal.

You’ve got the entire cast of “Harry Potter” available. Schwarzenegger’s getting busy. Christopher Walken also seems to be around…

332. Gold Coast Rob - November 5, 2011

Nobody’s asking the most important question, is William Shatner in the movie?


333. Harry Ballz - November 5, 2011


in all honesty, I’m hoping for something along the lines of Doomsday Machine/Arena

Give us that with an edge to it and you will have knocked it out of the park!

334. Shilliam Watner - November 6, 2011

327. Rusty0918 – I’m to say it was plastic ;-)

It had no weight to it, and even if it did, the back and shoulder are two areas of the body with dense muscle, and can take a lot of force. I’m sorry, even for the 60s, it was a really lame fight. By today’s standards, it really really sucks. At least, that’s how I see it.

So if Khan does show up in the sequel, I want something that makes me grit my teeth and grip the seat.

Don’t get me wrong folks, I’d rather not see Khan in the sequel. I’m just saying that if he does, I’d like them to do the best they can. And I’d rather not proclaim the film a failure or success until I’ve seen it, no matter what plot details we find out over time.

I’d just rather not hate something ahead of time. It’s like saying I’d hate London without ever having visited it. I’ve seen thousands of photos of London, watched hundreds of movies with London as a location, read a lot about London’s history, but until I was actually there, I really would have no idea what I’d think about it.

Nobody knows if this film is going to be a stinker or not. Some would rather think it a turd, some would rather think it a rose. I’m not going to decide until I’ve seen it.

Oh, and by the way, I really really liked London once I went there, even though I dislike large cities and lots of people.

335. Harry Ballz - November 6, 2011


336. Inside The Production - November 6, 2011

So people really don’t believe me, huh?

How about this: Chekov’s love interest is a Borg. Take that to the bank.

337. - November 6, 2011

@216, i’m pretty dumb, how about an email.

338. - November 6, 2011

Del Torro does look a bit like Ricarrdo Montalban

339. - November 6, 2011

336, my love interest is a borg, same for many people here i suspect.

340. Buzz Cagney - November 6, 2011

#334 but as we could clearly see Khan was more inclined to work those pectorals. What a mistake that turned out to be, eh!

341. Buzz Cagney - November 6, 2011

#334 good shout Mr Ballz

342. Buzz Cagney - November 6, 2011

sorry, good shout at 333 Harry!

343. Inside The Production - November 6, 2011

I see how hard it is to convince the Trekker’s in her. Hm. I cannot provide proof other then my word, so there is only my information to go on.

How about the female Borg — Chekov’s interest — is named Valena?

344. Hat Rick - November 6, 2011

I take back what I said about Harry Mudd.

The REAL villain is a talking cell phone — er, communicator — that makes snide and sassy remarks.

Harry Mudd is simply a victim of dozens of communicators that inexplicably go off around him, rendering him a henpecked husband and/or purveyor of androids.

And Del Toro plays him, for some reason.

You heard it here first, folks.

Oh, and they renamed the character Marry Hudd. Something about royalties.

Shh — don’t tell anyone, though. It’s a secret.

345. Driver - November 6, 2011

To #s 001-344 What EVER! Like WTF^%@# People. OMG. You’re all OTL.

346. Drew - November 6, 2011

Benicio del Toro will play William Shatner. Trust me, I am in “the industry”

347. VulcanFilmCritic - November 6, 2011

@286 moauvian waoul: ” A. Hollywood has a legacy of outright discrimination and misrepresentation of many races and nationalities. 2. People prefer their race portrayed properly.”

I thoroughly agree. Many, many minority actors have decried the lack of parts for ethnic minorities in Hollywood, and when a role finally comes up, it goes to the same actors over and over. How many times have Denzel Washington or Morgan Freeman been cast, when some fresh faces might be in order.

And the reason today is probably not overt racism of the 1930’s to 1950’s but laziness, ignorance, and fear on the part of studio heads and casting directors.
They want “bankable” stars in the roles, not fresh faces, no matter how talented they are. They might be willing to take the risk with a new white male face (e.g. Christopher Reeve or Toby Macguire) but with the ethnics, they go to the same old, worn, cliched Rolodex.
The same argument could also be made about women, especially women of a certain age and many character actors who get pigeon-holed by lazy casting directors. Hollywood’s only use for an actor as fine as Australia’s Hugo Weaving is to cast him as costumed villains in fantasy and sci-fi films. No serious roles for him here!

It’s hard to imagine today how revolutionary Gene Roddenberry’s casting decisions were: a bald Canadian actor, an obviously ethnic looking Jewish guy who played mostly TV Indians, an African-American Dunham dancer and singer, an over-the-hill southerner who’d played mostly bad guys, a Japanese-American at a time when Germans and Japanese were still considered the enemy and a Russian.

But Star Trek 2009 had a very retrograde view of race. Instead of pushing the envelop as Roddenberry and Desilu did, they relied on tired formulaic casting: an MTV-like mixed race actress for an African and a Korean for a Japanese. Although no one will say so in the media, I have heard many African-American and Asian fans express dismay at this step backwards.

348. William Kirk - November 6, 2011

to 346. Ha ha ha, great :-D :-D

349. Captain Gorn - November 6, 2011

@347: Walter Koenig isn’t Russian.

350. VulcanFilmCritic - November 6, 2011

@349 Sorry. I stand corrected but you get my drift.

The point is that Star Trek should not be lazy in it’s thinking about race and ethnicity. Or religion.

I would love to see a scene on another starship where we see the tough-looking captain turning around in his chair to issue an order to his science officer, say Mr. Eid. As he turns we see that the captain is wearing a yarmulke, and his science officer is obviously an Arab, probably Muslim.
Or the other way around. Captain Eid issues an order to his science officer, Mr. Levine and as he turns to view his scanner we see the yarmulke attached to the back of his head.

Why can’t religious diversity be addressed in Star Trek? Religion is not going to go away in 200 years. Like the Vulcan I personally “do not believe in angels;” I’m an atheist. But I’d sure like to see Star Trek address all kinds of diversity.

351. somethoughts - November 6, 2011


I think because its boring, that is why I never liked ds9, I prefer the explore sci fi ideas and relationships instead of what the characters religious attire or beliefs are.

352. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - November 6, 2011

Oh Bob Orici is watching us. I’m sure he is laughing at all of our Superior Intellect.

353. somethoughts - November 6, 2011



354. the Quickening - November 6, 2011


So DS9 didn’t explore relationships? No TREK series explored relationships more than DS9. The whole point of the show was to push the creative envelope of STAR TREK, not give us the same ole tired retread of TREK stories and concepts some fans seem to only want. I’ve said it before, fans were just as responsible for the demise of TREK as the TPTB.

By going the route of producing so much TREK at the same time, it was imperative to explore the entire TREK fictional universe by producing diferent kinds of TREK series, rather than feed us the same crap over and over. DS9 was one of the few things Berman and company got right. If the themes of faith, belief, redemption are not your bag, fine. I think you cut yourself off from one fantastic TREK series.

355. dmduncan - November 6, 2011

336. Inside The Production – November 6, 2011

So people really don’t believe me, huh?



356. Commodore Adams - November 6, 2011

Wish list for Star Trek 2013:

Set phasers to kill, I want some people vaporized in the next movie.

Ruthless, antagonizing, bloodlusting Klingons.

Since the Bridge, Transporter room, and Sickbay sets have been built, I would humbly request a proper warp core engineering. Chambliss has some impressive concepts.

You could argue that TOS never showed a warp core, although true, main engineering was not located near the warp core, but it was there when you look at the cross-section schematics.

I don’t think these requests are too daunting. Again, just requests. Regardless I am sure I will love the movie, can’t wait!

357. dmduncan - November 6, 2011

So none of that good humor or those pledges of stupidity squeaked so much as a vowel outta Bob? Damn.

358. somethoughts - November 6, 2011


DS9 wasn’t star trek, the designs were horrible, the show sucked so much they had to borrow Worf from TNG and had to create another puny small ship the deviant just so that they can travel somewhere instead of being stuck on a stupid looking cardassian space station. The series borrowed heavily from WW1 and WW2 themes, it was a nice attempt at a different spin on a popular franchise but it was no Star Trek.

I can honestly say GR would have smacked RB and Ira Steven Behr

If I can only take one Star Trek series with me to a island, it would be a toss between TOS and TNG. Voyager, Enterprise and DS9 can’t stand on their own.

If you liked DS9 or thought it was so awesome and it never got a movie deal, then good for you, just not my cup of tea.

359. Gorn Born - November 6, 2011

@Inside the Production: You are a troll, and a jerk. Please take your little fantasy spoilers to Aint It Cool or some other place with less classy posting standards than here.

@boborci: Obviously you can’t give any clues to plot points, but you guys have stated that plot clues will be seeded into the “Star Trek Ongoing” comic book story line. Can you at least tell us if it is too early to start looking for the clues in the comics, or should we be looking already?

360. somethoughts - November 6, 2011


361. VZX - November 6, 2011

Question for Bob Orci:

How come the Sick Bay is not called the Sick Bay in your Star Trek movie? It is always referred to as “medical.” Is it so Joe Public knows what it is?

362. dmduncan - November 6, 2011

@354: I love themes of faith and redemption. No series did it better than Battlestar Galactica, the ending of which was profound, at least for those who got it.

DS9? I wasn’t feelin it.

363. Red Dead Ryan - November 6, 2011

I’d like to see some cool merchandise to go with the sequel this time. The Playmates action figures weren’t that good. I’d like to see some other company make them this time. But more importantly, I’d like a “Making-of” book chronicling the behind-the-scenes activities of not just the sequel, but the first movie as well.

As for the movie itself, less romance and more casualties. Lots of people getting blown up, vaporized, eaten, etc.

I’d also like to see more Karl Urban/Dr.McCoy. Karl Urban is a better actor than Zoe Saldana, and McCoy is a more popular character. Not to suggest that Uhura gets pushed into the background, its just that the real triad comprises of Kirk, Spock and McCoy.

364. VZX - November 6, 2011

@ somethoughts: Well, to each his own, but DS9 is my favorite show of all time. I liked the fact it was on a station and didn’t go anywhere. To me, it was more dangerous that way, truly on the frontier. I wasn’t crazy about the Dominion war arc, but there were so many cool eps that came from that.

Roddenberry originally stated that Star Trek was like “Wagon Train to the stars, a space western.” I think that DS9 is the most western-like of all the Trek shows. And that, to me, is awesome.

You didn’t care for it and that’s fine, but many people did.

365. VZX - November 6, 2011

@Red Dead Ryan: Why would you want to see people getting blown up? No offense, but that’s kinda messed up.

But I do agree with you about the action figures. They sucked. Toys R Us still has them by me and they can’t give those things away.

366. dmduncan - November 6, 2011

Think I’m kidding about BSG? Islanded in a Stream of Stars. Ask yourself what a Bob Dylan tune from the 60’s was doing playing a pivotal role in a SF show ostensibly about humanoids from another part of the galaxy. Coincidence? Just a cool idea? Nope.

367. Red Dead Ryan - November 6, 2011


I agree with you about DS9. Though I was more in favor of the Dominion War.

368. S. John Ross - November 6, 2011

Another one with a villain. Effing joy.

369. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 6, 2011

357. No. I guess we’re hoplessly brilliant. ;)

370. Jai - November 6, 2011

VulcanFilmCritic, Moauvian Waoul:

Speaking as someone who is actually Indian and is also a Sikh, I’d like to thank you for speaking up on this thread. As I’ve said before on Trekmovie, the world’s billions of non-white people are not interchangeable, despite what some people here seem to think. It’s also ST canon that Khan Noonien Singh is from an Indian Punjabi Sikh background.

That doesn’t necessarily mean Khan has to be played by an actor from exactly the same background, but it does mean that he should be played by someone who at least looks reasonably like Ricardo Montalban, rather than some random guy “from any non-white background”.

My own suggestion for the role of Khan was this actor: ,

However, if JJ wants Benicio for the role of the villain (who may or may not be Khan), then I guess JJ wants Benicio. I guess we’ll find out soon enough ;)

371. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 6, 2011

I’d like to see more carnage in the next movie as well. Messed up? I don’t think so. Space is a scary place and the dangers should be conveyed. Hey, you got your realism in my fiction.

372. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 6, 2011

And thank you Jai and VulcanFilmCritic, though I just some dumb white guy. Yup, very dumb Bob.

373. Jai - November 6, 2011

DMDuncan, re: #367:

I love BSG too; along with DS9, it’s my favourite sci-fi show of all time.


“Think I’m kidding about BSG? Islanded in a Stream of Stars. Ask yourself what a Bob Dylan tune from the 60’s was doing playing a pivotal role in a SF show ostensibly about humanoids from another part of the galaxy. Coincidence? Just a cool idea?

Sorry buddy, I’m afraid it really was a coincidence and something the writers (mistakenly, in my opinion) just thought would be a “cool idea”. Ron D Moore really liked that tune and had wanted to find an excuse to include it in one of his shows. So, he crowbarred it into BSG. It was at that point that many fans (including me) think that BSG started jumping the shark, apart from the brilliant “Gaeta’s mutiny” arc.

It’s the same reason Ron Moore threw in that “150,000 years later” curveball. The writers admitted that they’d been making BSG’s entire story up as they went along, and they’d painted themselves into a corner with the whole Hera storyline, so the only way they could explain her supposed significance was to suddenly make her “Mitochondrial Eve”. It would have made far more sense for the story to have taken place “15,000 years ago”, given all the references to classical Greco-Roman culture and ancient Indian religion throughout BSG (hell, they could even have included an Atlantis reference at the end), but unfortunately all that ended up going out the window.

Quite a missed opportunity – a very good show that would otherwise have been a truly great one. Some important lessons for our friend Bob Orci and his colleagues, I think.

But, BSG was still head and shoulders above pretty much everything else in the sci-fi world, and it was fantastic until the start of the final season.

374. dmduncan - November 6, 2011

374. Jai – November 6, 2011

Someday the essay I am writing about it may be published along with my other writings. Suffice it to say for now that I do account for what appear to be coincidences on the surface that you mention. The thing is that we are perhaps even most of the time unaware of what is roiling under the surface layer of consciousness. Example:

And it’s those deeper layers that we do not consciously access where the great ideas come from.

What they did may seem accidental, but it fits together so perfectly to dramatize a profound philosophical idea that to call it accidental in the context of a show that dramatized precisely such accidents, would be accidental poetry of a very high order. So while I wouldn’t dispute any of the show-makers’ claims about what they thought about what they were doing, I would — and do — challenge the idea that there was nothing more to it than that.

Also, it was a cool idea to put in All Along the Watchtower, but I argue that it is more than only that, and it wasn’t which song they used as that they used one we were familiar with from our own culture as a way of reiterating the powerful theme of that show.

Such is the beauty and mystery of art!

375. Vultan - November 6, 2011

BSG… yeah, I miss “The Beast”—the Pegasus…
That crew was so screwed up.

376. dmduncan - November 6, 2011

@374: “The writers admitted that they’d been making BSG’s entire story up as they went along, and they’d painted themselves into a corner with the whole Hera storyline, so the only way they could explain her supposed significance was to suddenly make her “Mitochondrial Eve”.”

Precisely! They took away their options and had to do what they did!

“It would have made far more sense for the story to have taken place “15,000 years ago”, given all the references to classical Greco-Roman culture and ancient Indian religion throughout BSG”

I disagree here. I can’t state it directly without giving away the premiss of my piece which I am not quite ready to do, but it goes deeper than that they were the forerunners of earth’s cultures. You could dispose of all the angels/demons theme without losing anything if that were the case and made it a straightforward explanation of how we got the culture we have. But it’s the angels/demons idea that takes it to another level. Or at least one of the things. Not the only one, but certainly one of them.

In fact, and again coincidentally, everything I had been thinking about at the time about the meaning of existence I had found being dramatized in that show. Was I recognizing something in the show I was thinking about independently, or were these subtle ideas making their way into my conscious experience from the show itself, without such an intent from the show’s producers?

All I know for sure is that the evidence is there, in the show. Hopefully I will be able to point it all out coherently, and also why I think it is profound.

377. Gary S. - November 6, 2011

#374 DId the Writers ACTUALLY admit they painted themselves into a corner.?
If so, do you have a link to that interview?
I would like to read it.

378. dmduncan - November 6, 2011

370. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney – November 6, 2011

357. No. I guess we’re hoplessly brilliant. ;)


If we were brilliant we would have been able to trick Bob into releasing clues. Which we failed to do. Ergo, we are stupid.

What more proof than that does Bob need?

379. dmduncan - November 6, 2011

Regarding Khan; let’s just see if it’s even about Khan. Benicio Del Toro was never on my radar for that role. I favor an actual Indian actor be given first shot. But we also have to acknowledge that Bob is one member of a creative team and that this may be JJ’s call. Even if it is about Khan. I could see Del Toro as a Klingon, but I’m having trouble with him as Khan. He would have to own that role to pull it off. Also, he doesn’t look like a genetically engineered superman. Granted, Ron Perlman didn’t look like Hellboy, but Khan isn’t a big red guy with a stone hand either. He’s human, just like Del Toro.

380. SciFiGuy - November 6, 2011

Better not be Khan. Orci and crew can kiss off four ticket sales if it is.

381. Odkin - November 6, 2011

Whether this film includes Borg or Khan or not (and I somehow think it may), I hope Orci and JarJar remember that Kirk is the HERO of this film. TNG was an ensemble show, and weaker for it. TOS was a HERO show.

Whatever you think of Shatner, he always made sure that Kirk got the last word. That he was the MOTIVATOR for what happened. That no one got the better of him. The supporting cast resented this because it appeared motivated by Shatners’ desire to be the star, but it was the right thing dramatically for the captain of a ship.

Kirk needs to be the star. Spock and McCoy need to be his confidants and helping hands. We love the rest of the crew, but face it, they’re “staff”. Almost Extras. Only Scotty really comes close to breaking into the inner circle.

382. KHAN 2.0 - November 6, 2011

ive never had any problem with Khan being in the sequel…they wouldnt have him discovered by the enterprise (maybe the klingons instead), he wouldnt have any 15 year vendetta against Kirk,

funnily enough early reports about The Wrath of Khan erroneously said Khan was leader of the klingons….plus in Trek II khan mentions the old klingon proverb…maybe that was a prelude to a tantalising glimpse into another reality where he is their leader or adversary?

only slight problem is Nero was very Khan like (but then again he was Wrath of Khan like, not Space Seed Khan like)

383. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 6, 2011


(scratches head) Dunno.

384. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 6, 2011

Actually I think Del Toro would make a much better -mumbling Harry Mudd.

385. dmduncan - November 6, 2011

So many fans want this movie to go in so many opposite directions that some fans are not going to like every choice made. And some fans are not going to like any choice made. Let’s just try to be fair. Bob isn’t going to be behind every decision. The movie also has a director too, and if he is set on something that’s probably what we’re going to get.

The long honeymoon phase with the idea of the sequel is about to be over and we’re going to have to get used to the actual decisions that were and are going to be made. So the being married phase is about to begin, and some fans are going to want an immediate divorce.

I’m going to stick with it.

386. Will_H - November 6, 2011

I can only pray its not Khan.

387. NCM - November 6, 2011

I’ve never asked boborci, the Oracle, a question; so maybe I’ll be granted just one answer: What might we hope for a time frame for announcing a release date? (Notice, plenty of wiggle room.)

To my fellow gallery of dumb: The new movie has to be released in June, July, or December, right – isn’t this a requirement of big budget, block-buster hopefuls? The sets and casting are mostly done; so, is it naive to think the film will be released in December, 2012?

388. Charley W - November 6, 2011

I like the Garth idea….

They aren’t going to pay him the BIG bucks he’ll ask for, just to be a redshirt.

389. DeShonn Steinblatt - November 6, 2011


Extremely naive.

390. somethoughts - November 6, 2011

If you guys had to write and create the next Star Trek movie, who would you select as the opponent to test Kirk and Crew? Klingons! Not the Viking Klingons of TMP and TNG but the Mexican looking Klingons of the TOS series.

Since this is a alternate reality/reboot, I would choose to reboot Klingons and put in Khan as some sort of easter egg/tease for part 3 to the fans of Star Trek.

Benicio Del Toro is Klingon Kor imo

391. somethoughts - November 6, 2011

Benicio’s voice does sound like Khan though, either way, should be epic.

392. Vultan - November 6, 2011

Benicio Del Toro as Kor the Klingon? Yeah, I can dig it.

“It would be glorious.”

393. somethoughts - November 6, 2011

Nice clip of Benicio del Toro

394. Andy Patterson - November 6, 2011

Have him be Dr. Sevrin and have a modern day band of space hippies as his followers. It could sound.

395. Nomad - November 6, 2011

#13 etc. Yep – dissappointed to hear about ‘the villain’ as if it was a requirement. It has a popcorn ring to it. Little left to distinguish Trek from any other franchise. I’ve been waiting 30 years for a Trek movie with some exploration in it. You know – a strange new world or two. That’s what the vocide-over says they do, but they never do it! Why not?

396. Mark Lynch - November 6, 2011

Why oh why is it “Must have a villain” for Star Trek movies?

Some the best Star Trek films have not had a villain per se.
Star Trek III – TSFS
Star Trek IV – TVH
Star Trek VI – TUC

I’ll grant you that Star Trek – TWOK is an exception…

It’s a good thing that there is a wealth of older and better Star Trek stuff available on DVD/Blu-Ray

397. Vultan - November 6, 2011


I agree with you that Star Trek doesn’t need a villain to be good, but Commander Kruge and General Chang were two of the baddest hombres Trek ever produced.

398. Vultan - November 6, 2011

I just wish Kruge had been given more backstory, something to give more depth for his hatred of the Federation and dreams of conquest. Maybe something a little more than the angry alien out to blow stuff up.

Anyway, I thought Christopher Lloyd did a great job with what he was given. Definitely not an easy act to follow, that Khan fella.

399. lodownX - November 6, 2011

Garth of Izar

400. C Mosenko - November 6, 2011

We will get what we get like it or not. Some of us will love it, some of us won’t. Just like every other movie. In 2013 we will find out.

401. Hat Rick - November 6, 2011

Actually, come to think of it. Del Toro looks a bit like Anakin Skywalker in ROTJ when he took off his mask. (Minus the scars, of course.)

Wouldn’t it great if the next Star Trek incorporated Darth Vader as the villain? Provided, of course, that the next Star Wars incorporated the Borg as the baddies.

Parity of franchises and all that, you know.

402. T'Cal - November 6, 2011

Well, I work for a SPFX company in Hollywood and Benicio Del Toro came in the other day with a picture of what looked like Ricardo Montalban’s chest from TWOK and he ordered a prosthetic chest piece. It was a rush order. He even said, “Skip the chest hair!”

God! At this rate, they might not be ready for next summer!!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGH! Make the damn movie already!!!

403. Sebastian S. - November 6, 2011

I thinking Khan (very likely) or a Klingon (equally likely). Del Toro is an amazing actor (loved Usual Suspects and his Wolf Man) and I would welcome his presence in almost any movie.

But while I would love to see him in Star Trek, I just hope the next movie is not a simplistic, ‘good guys meet bad guys’ plot. Star Trek had villains now and then (true), but it wasn’t always dependent upon black hat heavies for conflict or drama. In fact, some of it’s best (“City on the Edge…”, “Tomorrow is Yesterday” “Voyage Home”, etc) had NO villains in the traditional sense.

If the next ST movie has a traditional villain, I hope it’s ‘just a phase’ that it’ll eventually grow out of…

404. Red Dead Ryan - November 6, 2011

Look, for “Star Trek” to do well at the box office, the movies need bad guys. Recognizable bad guys played by recognizable actors. Action, space battles, humor. Those are the ingredients. Exploration? Not so much. Because these films are being aimed at the mainstream and “Star Wars” fans as much, or even more so, as they are for Trekkies. I don’t think the next movie will give us fans what we want necessarily, but what we need. And what we need is a Trek film franchise that is as well known as “Star Wars”.

And for the day when Trek returns to television, the writers and producers will be looking toward what “Star Wars: The Clone Wars” and “Battlestar:Galactica” have done for sci-fi on tv. They won’t be looking at what the previous series have done except to avoid the mistakes made by previous writers and producers.

The Trek that we had known and loved, in particular, the first ten movies and six series, is now a thing of the past. Trek has had to change with the times, and J.J Abrams is the man leading the change. Just as James Bond had to adapt to the style of the Jason Bourne franchise, “Star Trek” has had to move a bit in the direction of “Star Wars”, the undisputed leader in all of sci-fi.

405. Commodore Adams - November 6, 2011

We know that the negotiations were going on this weekend. Do we know if he has accepted the role?

406. Craiger - November 6, 2011

#404 RDR, well said. I just hope we don’t get a 90210 Trek TV series and some people think the new Galactica turned into a soap opera during the later seasons.

407. Bilderberg Group Trek Fan - November 6, 2011

#404. I doubt we will see another Trek TV series until after the current series of movies runs its course.

Incidentally, I ran into Mr. Del Toro by coincidence at the Air France lounge at Frankfurt am Main a couple years back. He was very approachable and we had a brief conversation.

408. Vultan - November 6, 2011


Then it’s not Star Trek anymore.

It’s TrekaWaralactica, professional name of a pretty old schoolmarm who found more profitable work on her back.

409. Bilderberg Group Trek Fan - November 6, 2011

#404-Mark Lynch. But Star Trek III and VI both had villains???

410. - November 6, 2011

The City On The Edge of Forever had no villain yet despite limited effects of the day is still a great watch because the concept and story were so good.

I would love a remake of that episode for the third Trek but more so would love to see the idea that setting up a complex problem with catastrophic results unless solved does not have to have a villain.

411. Odkin - November 6, 2011

Reading up more on Benicio Del Toro I’m particularly struck by his lack of successes and by his participation in leftist idealogical roles. In other words, he appears to be one of the politically annointed ones who must be sponsored and patronized by liberal Hollywood, despite any record of “delivering the goods” at the box offices. Examples:

– “Traffic” – anti-drug war anti law enforcement propoganda
– “Fear and Loathing in las Vegas” – glamorizing the despicable Hunter Thompson
– “Che” – glamorizing communist murderer Che Guevara. Del Toro on several ocassions personally expressed admiration of Guevara.
– Upcoming in “Savages” another Oliver Stone propaganda film, this time about pot growers.

Given Orci’s expressed leftism, I wouldn’t be too surprised if Khan gets turned into a misunderstood, persecuted crusader for human rights, trying to bring peace to the world but hunted and exiled into space by hate-filled Americans and evil corporations.

412. MJ - November 6, 2011

I would not be too shocked if we learn soon that they will shoot a two-part movie back to back here. Remember, the actor’s options for Trek 2 and 3 will expire in 2014, so there would be financial pressure to get two movies done before that deadline, or risk having to pay substantially more to re-sign the cast.

413. MJ - November 6, 2011

@411. I doubt Orci has much input into casting choices.

414. AJ - November 6, 2011

Girls and Boys,

A “code of honor” would be nice here. Some of us love to “make pretend,” including myself.

1. Link all rumors directly to articles raising or supporting/denying them
2. In all honesty, send any real leak rumors to, I guess at this point, Rosario or Kayla before posting because Trekmovie is committed to being a team-player in this game, rather than a detective agency. Trekmovie ‘plays the game’ with JJ’s camp better than anyone, and gets those little ‘scoops’ we all cherish.
3. If your info is unsupported by anything, keep it in your beat-bank and go get a taco.

415. Anthony Thompson - November 6, 2011

411. Odkin

No politics here, please.

416. MJ - November 6, 2011

@409. Agreed — Star Trek III and VI both had villains…not sure what weed Lynch was smoking when he claimed that they didn’t…LOL

417. MJ - November 6, 2011

@414. It would also be nice if Kayla herself followed your proposed code…i.e. not label a large group of Trek fans as hateful people.

418. Allenburch - November 6, 2011


419. The Unknown Poster - November 6, 2011

“That would be so freakin lazy and lame. It really does seem like they are trying to emulate the Dark Knight with bringing it what THEY think is the classic Trek villain in Khan (like how Joker is Batman’s classic nemesis). But, that is what THEY think. And THEY are so wrong.”

It’s not what THEY think. It’s what I think too. And THEY are right.

420. Adolescent Nightmare - November 6, 2011

If it’s true they would not tell him who the character is then it must be a name they worry the public would recognize. That means it could be Khan, or perhaps Khan. Or possibly Khan. And if not any of those then it’s definitely Khan.

421. Bilderberg Group Trek Fan - November 6, 2011


Here’s a FACT — neither of you KNOW what they think.

422. Aurore - November 6, 2011

“Actually I think Del Toro would make a much better -mumbling Harry Mudd.”

I’m so disappointed in you, seymour….
No… “pizza” for you, tonight.

423. boborci - November 6, 2011

387. NMC

Magic 8 ball says, “ask again later.”


424. MJ - November 6, 2011

@423. Universal Translator Output:

Summer 2013

PS: Orci, you guys do great Trek movies, but you guys couldn’t do anything swiftly if father time hit you on the head and called you papa.

425. Rusty0918 - November 6, 2011

Yeah, I’m pretty much convinced now that the next story will be a Khan story. But that’s not necessarily a bad thing. It all depends on how it’s done. It could actually work.

Anywho, here’s what I think we’re going to get for the sequel:
1. Klingon ships have testicles that shoot.
2. Railing deaths and brick walls to go with the Budweiser Engineering.
3. Yeoman Rand 2.0 – now with breast impants, even more dimwitty. She’s a Hooters waitress (or worse) when Kirk recruits her to the Enterprise as a yeoman. Annoying and offensive as heck.
4. There are two dumb alien crewmembers that are offensive and horrible comic relief a la Jar Jar Binks from the Star Wars prequels and Skids and Mudflap from “Transformers 2.”
5. Vile, putrid sex humor, racist humor, and jokes.
6. Kirk is even more of a douchebag in the sequel and has no respect for anyone but himself. Even more of a Mary Sue than he was in Trek ’09.
7. Unnecessary gratuitous sex for the sake of it (Spock/Uhura for no reason).
8. Vapor thin plot – terrible dialogue
9. Unecessary unrated director’s cut for Blu-Ray/DVD

Yes, Transformers 2 quality, but with a twist. JJ Abrams will once again marshall the mainstream media and critics to his side, with a propaganda machine that Adolf Hitler would be proud of. It will get 100% on Tomatometer and win the Best Picture Oscar, even if it is a piece of dreck. It will oust everything else in the box office.

Critics of the movie, no matter how right they are, will be labelled as being so vile they should be killed, to the extent where the mainstream media will encourage NuTrek re-education centers and to put anyone who dislikes the movie to death. People will be encouraged will be hired to hunt down and kill anyone who doesn’t like the movie. There will be bonfires held to burn everything else Trek that’s not Trek ’09 and the sequel. There will be a secret police to help deal with the problem and eliminate the opposition.

OK – the last paragraph had some hyperbole. But still…

426. somethoughts - November 6, 2011

bob my son will be born before I hear anything confirming the next villain or storyline ;P

427. MJ - November 7, 2011

@425. Sorry, but you post is just not as funny and cute as you obviously think it is. BUZZZZZZ

428. Rusty0918 - November 7, 2011

Well it wasn’t supposed to be. I can seriously at least believe that if it’s like Transformers: ROTF, it could still get stellar praise.

429. dwfan - November 7, 2011

@425 hope you weren’t going for clever

430. Harry Ballz - November 7, 2011


Bob, my son will be born as well before I hear anything, and, hell, I’m not having children!

431. Rusty0918 - November 7, 2011

#425- No I wan’t. I was actually talking about what I was dreading. Hopefully they won’t go this route but…you never know.

432. Rusty0918 - November 7, 2011

OOPS I meant #429 – No I wasn’t.

I wasn’t trying to be funny or clever. I was talking about what I was dreading.

433. MJ - November 7, 2011

@432. Well, if you are serious, then with all due respect, you are nuts! Adolph Hitler propaganda machine? Klingon ship testicles? Racist humor? Hooters version of Rand? Gratuitous sex between Uhura and Spock?

I think you’d be better off sticking with a story here that you were trying to be cute and funny, but it just didn’t work out. :-)

434. Spock/Uhura Fan - November 7, 2011

#354 – The Quickening

Amen. ;-)

435. Spock/Uhura Fan - November 7, 2011

@#425 – rusty0918

I think everyone is free to their opinions and speculations, but that’s a bit too over-the-top.

I think we should all remember that we’re just talking about a movie here. If any of us ends up not liking it, then it certainly won’t be the end of the world.

I think that your comparisons are offensive, but that’s you I guess… That said, I also did not like Transformers 2. I thought skids and mudflap were horrible and disturbingly offensive. I could not believe that this was a film that Spielberg was attached to, but he wasn’t the director, and that’s who the writers reportedly said they were taking their direction from.

Personally, I believe in Mr. Abrams’ abilities. I don’t want gratuitous sex, but I DO want a Spock/Uhura bedroom/love scene because I think it would be meaningful for the onscreen progression of the characters (as a couple) and that it could be done in good taste.

436. dwfan - November 7, 2011


i have no problem with most your list of dread.* you don’t want star trek: revenge of the fallen. i don’t think anyone wants that. your list is not why i took exception to your post. it was that making hitler proud ‘twist’. nearly threw me off the site.

*7. i wouldn’t storm out of the theater and demand a refund if there’s spockura intimacy in the film.

437. adam smith - November 7, 2011

Firstly they have said before that they would love to do Khan but want to stay away from re-making every scenario from TOS. So while Khan is a slight possibility it will be nothing like “Space Seed”.

Secound, the klingons will be a more prominate part of the sequal. They have said that from the begining.

So a female lead villian would most likely be a klingon woman. It could even be a female version of Kor, or Kang. This is not an alternate timeline it is in fact an alternate reality so a female version of these two characters is very possible.

I for one hope that the story and characters are new ones. I think just having the enterprise crew be the same as tos is enough. Lets see new worlds and new villians or problem scenarios that do not have a specific villian would be good as well.

438. The Last Vulcan - November 7, 2011

SCOOP: Del Toro to play Valena the Borg! Now that’s gonna be one helluva love scene with Yelchin! :P

439. VulcanFilmCritic - November 7, 2011

Regarding @425 Rusty, it’s called HYPERBOLE. And he has a point. Several actually.
The new Star Trek has sought to be iconoclastic at the same time as being faithful to the original. Not an easy job. Some of the ploys have succeeded and some have not. I welcome experimentation on the part of the film makers, but I too hope they don’t go too far off base.

440. theone - November 7, 2011

Okay, a new face. After weeks of no news we get a bradcrumb again. Thank you so much! Argh.

441. Kojak - November 7, 2011

Abrams does not need to recreate Kor, but someone like him and kill in the end. Kor is a commander, he would not engage in personal combat.

I wonder, Bob Orci, if you have a title ready for the next movie

442. Athlan - November 7, 2011

@ 15

I am with you on this! I’m sick of this good-guy versus bad-guy cliché. Star Trek is about _EXPLORING_ not fighting!

But I suppose Abrams and his team are not to blame here, as Hollywood is most likely demanding a villian. As far as I know, _every_ Star Trek movie so far had one, from V’Ger to Nero.

443. Spock/Uhura Fan - November 7, 2011

@# 439 – Vulcanfilmcritic

We all know what hyperbole is, and no one is saying that he/she did not make any points regardless of whether or not their validity is dubious.

To me it seems as though the point that others and myself were making (and I can at least speak for myself with certainty) is that hyperbole or not, much of what he/she said was in poor taste, and some of it, like the Hitler comment, was pushing the line if not crossing it.

Once again, I think we are all free to our own views and speculations. While some people are free to be “hyperbolic” in their posts, other people are free to disagree with how that is done.

444. Victor Hugo - November 7, 2011

46. Star Trek was always big in Brazil and Argentina.

“Jornada nas Estrelas” in portuguese, “Viaje a las Estrellas” in spanish.

Even my grandma knows it.

445. Spike - November 7, 2011

Like it or not. You have to admit…If he is Kahn, he’s perfect.

446. Dee - lvs moon' surface - November 7, 2011

#423. boborci…

… and something about Welcome to People… the release date???…is everything OK with the movie… there are a lot of disturbing rumors… I hope they are wrong!…

:-) :-)

447. Admiral_Bumblebee - November 7, 2011

So the movie is basically about a villain threatening someone or something and who is being defeated at the end – wow, we didn’t have this pattern for a loooong time…

I had hoped that this movie would not have a villain as this pattern has been done to death…

But ok… The first thing I thought when seeing Benicio Del Toro was that he would be great for the role of Trelane…

448. Anthony Lewis - November 7, 2011

Rusty0918 #TrollFail

449. John from Cincinnati - November 7, 2011

Ooh la la let the conjecture begin!

Koloth (“Edgy” version)
Kor (“Edgier”)
Trelane (with an “Edge”)

450. somethoughts - November 7, 2011

This news is such tease as Benicio Del Toro could play;

1) Khan
2) Kor
3) Gary Mitchell
4) Trelane
5) Talosian

I think the only thing this eliminates is Benicio Del Toro being a rock Horta heheh and Mudd since Mudd is fatter

451. somethoughts - November 7, 2011


You know you want one, do it lol

452. Phil - November 7, 2011

“Does anyone remember when we were explorers?” – Jean Luc Picard

453. jgk - November 7, 2011

Why does Star Trek need a villain? Some of the best episodes of both TOS and TNG featured stories that had no villains or for whom the villain is, in the end, not: the Horta, Amok Time, City on the Edge of Forever, The Inner Light, Who Watches the Watchers? — all have no true “villain” –

Look how each of the last few Treks has ended:
Generations: Picard, Kirk duel Soran on a platform
First Contact: Data, Picard and the Borg Queen duel in the engine room/platform
Insurrection: Picard and Villain duel on an orbiting platform
Nemesis: Platform
Trek XI: Yes, unfrotunately, it all comes down to a platform on Nero’s ship

See a pattern here?

454. Jai - November 7, 2011

Gary S, re: #377:

Sorry, I should have clearer when phrasing my comment. Members of BSG’s writing team said that they’d made the storyline up as they’d gone along. However, they didn’t say that they’d “painted themselves into a corner” specifically about the Hera storyline; all of that became obvious from various other interviews and articles about BSG at the time, especially the revelations about what had actually been going on behind the scenes. A number of major plot points about quite a few issues were left unresolved, not because that had been the intention all along but because the writers didn’t actually have a detailed “plan” for the story direction (despite what the opening credits said about the Cylons, ironically).

BattlestarWiki has a mass of information about this, so you may want to start with their webpage on BSG’s final episode and then take it from there. If you have a lot of spare time then ploughing through the Sci-Fi (now “SyFy”) website’s official Battlestar forum would also tell you a lot about what happened. Ron Moore and his wife commented there regularly at one point, so there’s plenty of information about their viewpoints and motivations too, in their own words.

455. boborci - November 7, 2011

446. Nothing wrong with WTP, thans for asking, just trying to look at the tea leaves and pick good release date!

456. Jai - November 7, 2011

DmDuncan, re: #374 & #376:

Aha, I think I know where you’re going with the philosophical angle and the links to BSG. I won’t give the game away since you want to keep it under wraps, but it’s definitely an interesting interpretation.

Personally I though the “15,000 years ago” explanation would have been the prefect way to finish the show; it would have linked very nicely with the Atlantis myth along with what we know to be our real ancient human history, especially the classical civilisations around the world. More poignant and relatable for the audience, perhaps. I get the “other explanation” proposed by Ron Moore (especially since I know he reads a lot about history, including ancient Indian religions and philosophy), but that kind of mindbending metaphysical angle may have been a little too “out there” for BSG’s purposes, especially as a lot of the story had already become overly convoluted during the final season.

Anyway, I wrote a short bit of fan-fiction at the time describing my own “alternative ending”. I posted it on the Sci-Fi BSG forum and people there seemed to like it. I’m pretty sure you’ll enjoy it too, so check it out (you’ll need to scroll down to comment #689 by “JaiUK”; also read the last paragraph in my comment immediately preceding that one for a brief explanation):

Let me know what you think.

457. Jai - November 7, 2011


Hold on, there’s more. Another interesting twist to the way that BSG’s finale ended up: Ron Moore commented quite frequently on the official Sci-Fi (now SyFy) BSG forum, and after the show ended (with all the resulting fireworks between the polarised fans), he mentioned that he’d considered an alternative ending depicting the Galactica landing in Central America.

Ron Moore specifically talked about all those huge, mysterious, unexplored mounds that are apparently located in that part of the world, so he’d considered showing the Galactica buried under one of them, with modern-day scientists discovering the silhouette of the Galactica while they were performing deep subterranean sonar/infrared (I can’t remember exactly which) tests on those mounds. It’s a shame BSG didn’t end that way either; it would’ve been another nice touch, and it’s another way to link the story to real ancient civilisations, including pyramids around the world etc.

There’s another twist to BSG (okay, there are lots of twists, but bear with me): Remember Bill Adama’s speech right at the start, during the mini-series, when he said that the one question the Colonials never asked themselves is whether humanity actually deserved to survive ? Since they basically committed civilisational suicide after they reached our Earth, the answer to Adama’s question was ultimately “No.”

Dark, dark stuff ;)

458. Jai - November 7, 2011

Bob Orci,

First, some jokey stuff:

Since DmDuncan is trying to extract the identity of ST12’s villain from you, here’s a way for you to give us some hints without the Trekmovie gang having to resort to the online equivalent of waterboarding you (or metaphorically tying you to a chair and forcing you to watch “Sex and the City 2” on a 24-hour loop – I suspect the latter is worse):

1. If the villain was ordering a dish of his favourite food, would it be live wriggly alien worms, or saag paneer with tandoori naan ?

2. If the villain was saying “hello” in his own language, would he say “Q’Plah” or “Kiddan” ?

Okay, I’m just kidding ;) Here’s some serious stuff:

You should really consider including some of BSG’s cast in ST12 or Secret Cabinet. Probably not more than one of those actors & actresses, otherwise that might get weird and confusing (unless you plan to include lots of in-jokes in Secret Cabinet, like Boston Legal did). However, James Callis was fantastic as Baltar and really deserves another major role. Edward James Olmos (as the President ?) or Tricia Helfer would also be great additions.

Oh, speaking of Boston Legal: Like I’ve suggested previously on Trekmovie, James Spader would be outstanding in a suitable role in ST12 or Secret Cabinet too. He was phenomenal as Alan Shore in BL.

Just some friendly suggestions.

459. its me - November 7, 2011

i love star trek – the last movie and i think, bob is one of the most talented people. it is our luck, he is involved in the franchise, now. BUT i do not understand how it is possible, we will see sherlock holmes 2 this december. the premier date of the first sherlock movie was in germany in the begining of 2010, while star trek was shown in the midst of 2009 and they have just not really begun with shooting! sherlock holmes 2 will be a hit once again, i am sure. quality there was / will be possible AND they are fast. why is that not possible for star trek, too? you know, i am a very hungry star trek nerd and i am tired to repeat all the series again on my dvd-player. i need new stuff ;) trek was always a tv show. there were times, when i was able to see one new part each day! now i have to wait about 3 years for one new story! aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

460. Odkin - November 7, 2011

@448 Anthony Lewis
“Rusty0918 #TrollFail”


461. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 7, 2011

422. “I’m so disappointed in you, seymour….
No… “pizza” for you, tonight.”

Wait! What? What I’d do this time? I really do like Del Toro. “Usual Suspects” is one of my most recommended movies. I enjoy his work and think this is excellent news, unless they reduce his part to something like Bana’s. What a waste. Also, I’m one of those who don’t want Khan again, or any other theme or villain we’ve already seen on the big screen. Mudd could be intriguing if done in a new light and with added depth, IMHO.
See? So, uh, can I have some um, pizza? Don’t be that way Aurore. Just a little piece?

462. Nomad - November 7, 2011

It’s probably not Khan at all and Orci & co are probably smirking as they watch us get our knickers in a twist here.

463. the Quickening - November 7, 2011


Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but to say DS9 wasn’t TREK is so laughable, it doesn’t warrant a discussion–at least from me.

464. intel 1 - November 7, 2011

# 15 & 20

I don’t understand what you don’t like about having a villain. Every good story needs a protagonist and an antagonist. Would you like for Kirk, Bones and Spock to sit in a circle, hold hands and sing Kum Ba Yah?

465. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 7, 2011

“Nothing wrong with WTP, thans for asking, just trying to look at the tea leaves and pick good release date!”

Yes Bob, but which year?

466. I'm Just Sayin' - November 7, 2011

Sorry guys…for those who want to see Harry Mudd…I ain’t feeling it. He was a goofball in TOS and no matter what year you “remake” him, he would still be a goofball.

467. Kahn 2013 - November 7, 2011

What did people expect? I mean you really think as much as JJ Abrams and the Supreme Court gush about Wrath of Khan that they would NOT use Khan as a MAJOR Villain in one of their movies??? Hell it makes good business sense to use Khan for the new generation of Trek fans. I have no problem with it because it will be an alternative take on it. Since Wrath of Khan is considered by many to be the best of the original Trek films it seems like a no-brainer to me. Just sayin’! I look at it kinda like when Heath Ledger played Joker in The Dark Knight. A lot of people said that nobody could top Jack Nicholson from Batman ’89. Well……. So a new Khan will be nice and will hype people up and create controversy. Debates and nerd raging will be the norm for years to come after this movie is released. Bravo! Bravo! Bravo!

468. I'm Just Sayin' - November 7, 2011


469. Jay - November 7, 2011

Don’t understand the mentality that having a “bad guy” is somehow not real Star Trek. Where do you get that from?? Have you seen Star Trek? Almost every episode of TOS had a villain.

As for conflict among the crew/good guys. We had that in the 2009 film. Did you not watch? There was a villain and there was plenty of internal conflict between Spock and Kirk, between Spock and himself. on and on.

It amazes me how self-proclaimed keepers of all that is “real” Star Trek want to bash what was one of the best encarnations of Star Trek ever done just out of reflex. They hold dear to TOS, but hold all kinds of contradictions as to what “real” Star Trek is when those ideals clash with what actually aired on TOS.

I have always loved Star Trek, but I’m not blinded enough to not be able to admit that some of TOS was just gawd aweful!! And there were canon holes big enough to drive an aircraft carrier through. How anyone that professes to love TOS can criticize 2009 Star Trek as not being canon or “real” Star Trek is mind blowing.

470. Admiral_Bumblebee - November 7, 2011

#464 Some of the best TOS and TNG-stories didn’t have a villain. Star Trek was not solely about defeating a villain, let alone kill him in the end.

The Voyage Home didn’t have a villain and was one of the greatest movies of the series.

But somehow it seems that we always see the same story over and over. Villain appears, does something bad, heroes rush in and defeat him.

Is this really all there is in storytelling nowadays?

471. rm10019 - November 7, 2011

NOWADAYS? Um storytelling hasn’t really changed much in thousands of years…. its the ability of the writer and filmmakers to use those time honored narrative traditions to make us care about the characters in whatever situation they decide to put them in.

472. Jay - November 7, 2011

#471 Exactly.

#470… Guess we will have to agree to disagree. Voyage home was ok. Fun, light hearted movie. A typical low budget feel good movie shown around Christmas time. Not what I would like to see the next Star Trek be.

Yes there were good episodes and good Trek movies that didn’t have a villain, however they were blockbuster type big movies. They were like Voyage home described above.

For me, those are best left to television. If they want to bring back Star Trek on TV I’m all for those kind of stories where you can tune in week after week and follow the characters.

However, we are talking about movies and the movie buisness. One of my biggest complaints about most of the Star Trek movies has been that they could have just as easily been a TV episode. There was nothing special about them (effects, story, cinematography, etc.) that rose to the level I expect when paying $9 to see it.

2009 changed that. The first few Star Trek movies and then 2009. In between were a bunch of low budget glorified TV episodes.

So, yes, like someone else sarcastically said, you can make a movie about the Enterprise getting stuck in a toxic cloud and spend 2 hours trying to understand the clouds motivation and barely escape with your lives, but it will probably be the last Star Trek movie made if you do.

473. Aurore - November 7, 2011

“What I’d do this time?”

Playing dumb for the cause is one thing.
Your post in 384 is another matter altogether .

I wish I could say “fair enough” , however, only a TRUE fan could have asserted what you boldly did, seymour. And, seymour, I really hate to … “break it to you” , as it were, but, you are not.

OK. Deep breath; neither am I.

P.S : There are 24 hours in a day. Why am I stating this? No reason in particular.

474. Dee - lvs moon' surface - November 7, 2011

#455. boborci …

“Nothing wrong with WTP, thans for asking, just trying to look at the tea leaves and pick good release date!”

OK.. thanks… so… just good vibes… :-) :-)

475. JP - November 7, 2011

Seeing as Bob likes conspiracy theories. Here’s one:

I think “Inside the production” is actually an alias used by boborci to misdirect us all from guessing the real happenings in the script.

You can’t fool us Bob ;)

476. Rusty0918 - November 7, 2011

AnthonyLewis and Odkin, and others who admit.

Yes – I did cross a line with the Hitler comment on propaganda. It was too strong a word and I’m sorry about it.

Granted what I said was over the top, but I was trying to raise a point that something could be vile and putrid as “Transformers 2″ but marketed correctly, could be made out to be a masterpiece.

1. Klingon ships with testicles that shoot – this was obviously a reference to the robot testicles in “Transformers 2,” whicn many admit was a sick vile and horrible gag.

2. The Yeoman Rand with fake boobs, nose job, pastic surgery, etc. waitressing at a Hooters – this actually came out of an idea on Trek BBS which I compared the original one to a Hooters waitress and someone said it was good product placement for the sequel – Rand being such. Yeah it would be absurd, but then again, so was Kirk’s promotion from cadet to captain. Hence, I could see it happening. “Transformers 2″ had a college that looked like a Playboy mansion.

3. Annoying Jar Jar Binks like characters – you have to admit Keesner was dangerously close to becoming one of these. And again, if they could promote a cadet to captain in one swoop, who knows?

4. The gratuitous sex for the sake of it – just putting it in there to sell stuff is a pitiful excuse.

5. Kirk being even more of a douche. There was a lack of character development in the first film. He doesn’t seem to mature one bit. OK, there might have been that scene at the end where Kirk offers to help Nero, but…you never know. I fear they’ll turn him even more obnoxious and more of a jerk.

6. Vile putrid humor. I’m not against humor in the movie, but it’s got to be in good taste. “Transformers 2″ was chock full of this.

Yes folks, I did exaggerate and some of my speculations were over-the-top. But I was trying to get my point across that there are possible signs that this is where the franchise is going. And if you market and push a movie in the right way, you can have critics make it out to be an Oscar worthy masterpiece, even when it should be a Razzie worthly piece of crap. Red Dead Ryan’s point about doing this to make the movie sell further strengthens my point that they’ll probably go all Michael Bay out in the sequel.

The sequel might not be like what I dread, and hopefully my assumptions will be wrong.

477. N - November 7, 2011

#475 wait a minute they’ve actually finished a script already?! I know so many films go through development hell but this has been developer hell. That or Orci & co are actually intelligent snails.

478. Gary Makin - November 7, 2011

Star Trek 5 would’ve worked better had Sybock been more villainous. It should’ve been darker, as originally planned. Insurrection was also meant to be darker, and had a tone imposed on it. Look what happened.

Now some of you want to impose things on Trek 12, rather than just going with the needs of the story?

A good story is all that’s important; villain or not. Dark or not.

479. ME!! - November 7, 2011

No Khan. Please…no Khan in Star Trek “2”.

Benicio playing a klingon would be cool or some crazed mad man, but please, for the love of Star Trek, NO KHAN!!

480. DS9 IN PRIME TIME - November 7, 2011

i dont care what they do i just want to see some new damn star trek!

481. Rosemary - November 7, 2011

I am hoping that this post will show here. I have tried contacting admin. with no success. Here goes.

482. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - November 7, 2011

So Bob Orci is now relying on the Magic 8 Ball and Tea leaves for Release of Trek 2012. Hmmm. Ok That works with me.
Hey Bob. What else are you using

483. Buzz Cagney - November 7, 2011

#467 i just got around to watching The Dark Knight last week. I preferred Nicholson’s Joker myself.

484. Rosemary - November 7, 2011

I am pleased to hear that there are no problems with Welcome to People. Hopefully, we here will be the first to know the release date for this movie, won’t we, Bob?…:)

It seems that so often Australia/NZ are the last to find out movie release dates for that part of the world, especially if they are not movies where the release date occurs on the same date throughout the world. Don’t forget us downunder. We might be small, but we still like our movies…

485. Rosemary - November 7, 2011

By the way, I was Keachick (rose pinenut) but for nearly 24 hours now, none of my posts under that name and (unseen) email address appeared here, hence the change. So far so good.

Anyway, I was getting sick of Keachick and my full first name is Rosemary, for better of worse.

486. n1701ncc - November 7, 2011

Hi Boborci…I think everyone is off base on the Khan idea. I see Del Toro playing Mudd, Gary Mitchell or Charlie X.

I really like Mudd. You makke Harry Mudd into a joker like character from the Batman movies, I think you would have a smash especially if you dont kill him off. He can be one of those characters that keeps coming back

Gary Mitchell – might be good but he is a one and done character with no lasting effect. He will appeal to us older Trekkies but dealing with a god like villian I just dont see it

Charlie X – Not bad could have influence the all out war between Klingons and the Federation but again he is a one and done character.

I vote Harry Mudd…Khan should stay in the Prime time line

487. BillyBoy - November 7, 2011

Why do people keep spelling the name “Kahn”?? Look at the DVD case again. The villian in TWOK is KHAN. Mr. Orci, if you’re reading this, I sure hope the villan is NOT Khan.

IMO, I am really tired of Hollywood going the safe route and rehashing the SAME bad guys over and over again… apparently the villian the new Superman movie will be… General Zod. And last time around it was Lex Luthor! Not only could they use an original story, but they have dozens of bad guys from the comics that have yet to be explored on the big screen. Yet they only use stuff from the Christopher Reeve era movies. Batman does the same thing with Catwoman and the Joker. Enough is enough.

For Star Trek, if it were up to me, I would really go with the concept of the adversary being a unknown “thing” in space rather than an individual. Come up with something new. There are tons of great episodes that didn’t have a “bad guy”. As someone else pointed out, the idea of a revenge seeking psychopath going after earth and planning to destroy a planet before he/she gets defeated on a platform has been used in the last five films. The Klingons were also way over used in the first six films so I don’t want another mustache-twirling Klingon as the baddie. The idea of a “thing” causing the central crisis was only used in Star Trek I and IV, so by the time of the twelfth movie we’re over due for that. Star Trek IV worked great without a bad guy. Del Toro would be fine in the movie as some antagonist characther but not as the main “bad guy”

488. Planet Pandro - November 7, 2011

I guess my big question is: IF BDT is playin Khan, how do they plan to cover his backstory? I believe we were told that the ST09 timeline divergence occurred when Nero went thru the black hole…and events before that were no different from established canon. Khan in ST:II mentioned rising to power in 1996 i think? How will that be dealt with without being totally anachronistic and weird? Or will Khan’s takeover of “most of earth” just get scooted ahead to the mid 2040’s and we’ll just consider it a retcon? I’d like to coin a term to deal with such issues. We can call it an Orci/Kurtzman Variation. As in: The timeline was moving along fine until an Orci/Kurtzman variation caused a disruption in the space time continuum and Nero attacked the Kelvin.

489. Vultan - November 7, 2011


Why so serious, Buzz?


490. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - November 7, 2011

We Khan do with out him for the nxt movie.

491. Phil - November 7, 2011

@485. Everyone should be Phil for a day.

492. Harry Ballz - November 7, 2011

Benicio Del Toro?


I know they want good foreign box-office, but, seriously, is that the best they can do?


493. Gary Makin - November 7, 2011

Hey Bob, how about Dick Cheney as the villain?

494. NuFan - November 7, 2011


Hah! Yeah, it’s Khan.

495. Harry Ballz - November 7, 2011


Only if he plays The Penguin!

496. Samuel Argh-all - November 7, 2011

No Khan. Not even close time-line-wise. Still early days in stardate land. Probably a Klingon. Our problem? We know too much about the Trek omniverse, and pre-Worf mean scary Klingons take a lot of willing suspension of disbelief. We’re not remaking the first season of Kirk/Spock/McCoy oh-my, but we do have the whole Paramount Trek legacy mythos to sort out, with the Spock intervention taken into account from Jay-Trek….so does that lead us back to accidental pre-Montalban Khan encounters? God, I hope not.

We’ve all gotten a little too clever. My bet: Del Toro is a half-generation older than Chris Pine, so why not a starship captain that REALLY doesn’t like Kirk–pathologically so (you gotta think that Kirk pissed off a LOT of more experienced officers early on….he certainly did so with regularity as the mythos expanded)–and makes deals with proto-bad-actors from the ominverse? Sells himself as a mercenary to the Klingons/whomever just to nail Kirk? Lots of bad seed psycho-drama, battle scenes….hell, maybe he has some real Corbomite….;) Gotta think we’re done with Khan re-treads. Please, please….don’t bury Del Toro in rubber prosthetics. I’d rather see him as a Kirk who didn’t get to be Kirk….and gets disasterously pissed. Yeah, yeah…..all this has been done too. But….. it’s human, it’s Shakespeare, and everyone can relate. Let his hubris get him attached to some galactic nasty that won’t let go once the deal is made.

497. Bilderberg Group Trek Fan - November 7, 2011

#492: Hairy Balls
“Benicio Del Toro?
I know they want good foreign box-office, but, seriously, is that the best they can do?”

Are you kidding me? Del Toro is huge over here in Europe, plus he is an outstanding actor. Have you seen any of his films?

498. Rosemary - November 7, 2011

How do you know Del Toro won’t be playing a Vulcan or a Romulan? Gosh yes, I think he would look very good as one of those people. Maybe he plays a surviving Vulcan, so pissed off by events, that he does a “Sybok” and makes a wee bit of trouble…Perhaps he IS Sybok, the two Spocks’ forgotten and disgraced older half-brother!


499. Harry Ballz - November 7, 2011


Yeah, I’ve seen his work. M’eh! Tell me, is Daniel Day Lewis popular over there?

500. Bilderberg Group Trek Fan - November 7, 2011

In the new Trek film I would like to see some allegory on the American interventionism crap that the rest of us in the world have had to put up with over the past decade.

501. Bilderberg Group Trek Fan - November 7, 2011

#499. Oscar winner Daniel Day Lewis is from Europe. Sorry, but I’m not getting your comment? Was it supposed to be funny?

502. Odkin - November 7, 2011

In the new Trek film I would like to see some allegory on ingratitude by third rate planets who are only free due to the blood and treasure expended by Starfleet. Suppose they start feeling superior because Starfleet has made it possible for them to live a comfortable life without sacrifice. Maybe Starfleet teaches them a lesson by withdrawing it’s support and protection, so that they have to live in the real universe of threats and enemies, and have to adjust their spending and thinking accordingly.

503. Harry Ballz - November 7, 2011


No, I’m not trying to be funny. Just because Daniel Day Lewis is from Europe, doesn’t mean he is necessarily popular in Europe. Based on that logic, every actor born in America would be popular in the USA. Most aren’t.

So, my question stands……if Daniel Day Lewis was cast in the next Trek movie, would that improve it’s box-office take overseas?

504. Odkin - November 7, 2011

I though “Inside the Production” said that the BORG were the real enemy and Khan was just making a supporting appearance, maybe in setup for the next movie.

I see hundreds of comments above about Khan. How do we feel about the Borg?

I despise the Khan idea but am OK with the Borg. PROVIDED they are portrayed as the mindless, unstoppable hive zombies and NOT as tools of a supervillain queen. Boy, that sure ruined them for me.

505. Red Dead Ryan - November 7, 2011

#500 and 502.

Knock it off with the politicking. Or get a motel room if you want to do argue with each other. Just don’t do that here.

506. Bilderberg Group Trek Fan - November 7, 2011

#503. Following your logic, Lady Gaga should be cast in the next movie since she is popular everywhere, right?

507. Allister - November 7, 2011

Benicio Del Toro! The mumbler- sorry overrated actor in my book

508. Harry Ballz - November 7, 2011


Hey, you’re the one who started with Del Toro being “huge over here in Europe”, which can only mean “popular”, right?

So don’t try to twist my words.

Del Toro is a Spanish-speaking, James Dean clone who mumbles like a Marlon Brando wannabee. Not good enough, damnit!

509. Bilderberg Group Trek Fan - November 7, 2011

#505. OK., no more politics. Besides, I shouldn’t look a gift horse in the mouth. Some of my assets are tied to American defense and pharmaceutical stocks, which have made a lot of Euros this past decade for my partners and I.

510. dmduncan - November 7, 2011

Can somebody please hose the bait off the docks? It stinks in here.

511. AJ - November 7, 2011

Find a way to cast Rowan Atkinson, David Hasselhoff and Jerry Lewis, and Europe is a slam-dunk!

512. Marc Henson - November 7, 2011

Okay, I haven’t read all of these posts because for God’s sake I don’t have the time, but so many of you say you “Miss Star Trek.” What does that mean exactly?

Yes, I understand that not every Star Trek episode had a villain in it. But most of them did. I think that Star Trek has always been about good vs. evil in a way, or setting things right. The Voyage Home was the only film that didn’t have a villain. Even the motion picture had V’Ger. And if you don’t consider V’Ger a villain, fine, but that was a long and somewhat boring film.

By the way, I love Star Trek…so don’t question my status as a Star Trek fan…I’ve seen every episode and TV show, I’ve edited the Memory Alpha wiki and I’ve even written books myself about Star Trek and fan fiction.

I personally don’t see how they could make a film without a villain, unless they’re going to change formats again. Trek 11 was an action film, with epic fight scenes and stunts. J.J. Abrams playing off that…that much is obvious. It goes like this,

The Motion Picture was pretty much a “journey” kind of film. It didn’t translate well on the big screen, but if it was shorter it would have made a good episode of Star Trek.

The Wrath of Khan was an action film, with a little suspense…for the most part, Star Trek has been like that ever since…in the films at least.

The Voyage Home took a break from that…and yes, the film was an amazing movie, even if you couldn’t get past the fact that it was like the hundredth time they traveled back in time, you’d have to admit it was a good movie, especially for not having a villain. The probe was basically the antagonist, but not a villain as its’ intentions were not to destroy earth.

First Contact was really where the action starts to heat up…while all the other films were just minor action films, First Contact came out the same year as Mission Impossible I believe, which kind of set a new standard for action films. Not sure, but that may have been what happened. First Contact had zero gravity action scenes and stuff like that that hadn’t been done before. Insurrection didn’t really bring anything new action-wise, but Nemesis had that Argo buggy scene and Data jumping into space and lots of other action scenes. I really didn’t mind the film even though it got a lot of negative reviews. Yeah it was a little inaccurate and not very true to the characters, but as an action film and the all around story, it was very good.

Then the Star Trek film from JJ came out and it blew all the others away as an action film. I don’t know guys. A movie without a villain this soon in JJ’s tenure could spell the end of the franchise. Yeah, I loved Star Trek 4…but I don’t know if a story like that could be done in a summer action film. I’m sure I’d love it, but I’m not so sure about everyone else.

513. Red Dead Ryan - November 7, 2011

I just hope the name “Benicio Del Toro” isn’t being deliberately thrown out there as a red herring to distract us from J.J Abrams choosing Tom Cruise instead, because it would be a huge mistake to have Cruise in the sequel.

Del Toro isn’t a bad actor, but there are better options. Javier Bardem and Daniel Day-Lewis are two examples.

514. MJ - November 7, 2011

Oh please, your anti-Cruise rantings again, RDR? You sound like me talking about Shat when you comment on Cruise. And Cruise wasn’t even brought up here by anyone?

515. Vultan - November 7, 2011

— Javier Bardem is busy with the next Bond movie, “Skyfall.”

— Daniel Day-Lewis is probably too busy preparing to play Abraham Lincoln in Spielberg’s… [wait for it]… “Lincoln.”

Keep looking, guys.

516. Harry Ballz - November 7, 2011


dmduncan, are you implying that I’m a master baiter?

517. dmduncan - November 7, 2011

516. Harry Ballz – November 7, 2011


dmduncan, are you implying that I’m a master baiter?


Not unless you change your screen name to

Former CIA Official with Inside Knowledge of the JFK Assassination Star Trek Fan


Majestic 12 Founding Member Star Trek Fan

518. Red Dead Ryan - November 7, 2011

I’d like to see Cillian Murphy in a Trek movie. Very underrated actor. Great in “28 Days Later”, and as Scarecrow in the Chris Nolan “Batman” movies.


We’re talking about who we’d like to see/not see in the sequel. So me bringing up Tom Cruise is quite appropriate.

519. Dee - lvs moon' surface - November 7, 2011

#485. Rosemary… LOL

I prefer Keachick… but… ………

What happened? Why Keachick was banned here?… something is wrong…….

:-) :-)

520. AJ - November 7, 2011


God, Harry, looks like we need a bigger hose,,,

521. NCM - November 7, 2011

423. boborci – November 6, 2011
387. NMC
Magic 8 ball says, “ask again later.”

8-ball and tealeaves have no place twixt orcioracle and dumbdevotees;)

522. Red Dead Ryan - November 7, 2011


I also seem to recall that Anthony had warned you to stop your Shatner-bashing which you were doing on threads that had nothing to do with him.

You keep proving yourself to be a hypocrite, and as such, lose whatever remaining credibility you have with each accusation you lay against me.

523. Harry Ballz - November 7, 2011


I don’t like talking about my past. :>)

524. Rosemary - November 7, 2011

I cannot recall seeing any of BTD films but will watch the Usual Suspects which I believe is a good movie and one of his more recent films. However, he isn’t a bad looker and I can see him playing a Klingon, Romulan or Vulcan.

On the link to an interview with Del Toro kindly posted here, I thought he spoke as good an English as anyone else brought up in Puerto Rico/USA. He said he was sent to a boarding school in Pennsylvania when he was 13 years old. He did seem very shy though, but nice.

525. Harry Ballz - November 7, 2011

I hear that a movie is going to be made about the life of Grace Kelly and that Reese Witherspoon is campaigning to play the lead.


That would be like casting Moe Howard of The Three Stooges to play the lead in a movie about Clark Gable!

526. Nomad - November 7, 2011

I have no problem with action, space battles and humour but that doesn’t mean you have to leave everything else out.
Exploration seems to me to provide ample opportunity for action and space battles; it needn’t alienate a mainstream audience if it also includes dealing with unknowns. Why keep on saying ‘to explore strange new worlds’ if you never flipping do it?

527. MJ - November 7, 2011

@522. Anthony who? :-)

PS: You really do take me way too seriously. Chill out!

528. Red Dead Ryan - November 7, 2011


Yeah, but the sad part of it, though, is the possibility of Witherspoon getting an Oscar nomination for the role, if she does land the part and the movie gets made.

Witherspoon, unfortunately, is considered a Hollywood darling, just like Julia Roberts!

529. Red Dead Ryan - November 7, 2011


I’d say you take yourself too seriously and everybody else you happen to disagree with, you don’t take seriously enough.

530. Aurore - November 7, 2011

Well, Benicio Del Toro’s name certainly got people talking….debating…..baiting, and,…….Wait….wait…….

……….LORD HAVE MERCY, seymour!!!
Please, tell me you’re not mumbling angrily somewhere in the land of the free.
Tell me you did not seriously believe I was throwing a tantrum because you had an…………..OPINION???!!!

I’ve said it , in the past, and I’ll say it again; I want a good movie . “Period” .

531. dmduncan - November 7, 2011

530: “Please, tell me you’re not mumbling angrily somewhere in the land of the free.”

Mumbling angrily somewhere in the land of the secure. We’re rebranding.

532. Red Dead Ryan - November 7, 2011

Well, I just checked out a recent Trek convention report on TrekNews.Net.

Apparently, Garrett Wang has a grudge against William Shatner. Shatner apparently gave Wang a half-hearted handshake, didn’t make much eye contact and afterward wiped his hand on his shirt. Wang was not amused. He told the convention-goers that he’d love to punch Shatner in the belly.

Wang also said he suggested to Rick Berman about the need for more action and comedy on “Voyager”. Berman ignored him, and Wang remains pissed, even tthough he himself was guilty of showing up late to work numerous times during the time “Voyager” was on the air.

Wang was also upset that he didn’t get invited to the premiere of J.J Abrams’ “Star Trek”.

Is it any wonder this douchebag is merely an emcee at Trek conventions, and no longer an actor? Sheesh!

533. Aurore - November 7, 2011


Tell me you’re not mumbling angrily in the land of the secure!

534. Red Dead Ryan - November 7, 2011

Garrett Wang also suggested that the next Trek series be a comedy, “Scrubs” in space!

With suggestions like that, I’m not surprised that no one listened to him!

He seems to have grown a big ego, and needs to remember his place. He’d be working at McDonald’s if it hadn’t been for Paramount!

535. MJ - November 7, 2011


I don’t know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

536. MJ - November 7, 2011

@534. Well, we agree on this topic. Garret Wang works as a moron when he’s not busy being a bad actor.

537. MJ - November 7, 2011

@528. My god, how on earth did you find a way to bring in your old and tired Julia Roberts hate into this email….haters gonna hate, right? :-)

(please don’t freak out — just having fun with you, RDR)

538. Dee - lvs moon' surface - November 7, 2011

#525. Harry Ballz…………..LOL

I guess now I want to go sleep in the kitchen sink where Chris Pine is sitting with Reese in This Means War………….. I had this feeling twice today….++LOL

:-) :-)

539. Jonathan - November 7, 2011

@25 View to a Kill was a remake of Goldfinger. Don’t let anyone tell you it wasn’t. Instead of Auric Goldfinger irradiating the world’s gold supply to make his gold more valuable, Max Zorin was going to destroy the world microchip supply to make his microchips more valuable.

The worst part is, the same woman played Moneypenny in both films… 24 years apart….

540. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 7, 2011

Aurore, “SEYMOUR!!!

Tell me you’re not mumbling angrily in the land of the secure!”

No, I was begging.

541. NCM - November 7, 2011

458. Jai – November 7, 2011

Bob Orci…
Since DmDuncan is trying to extract the identity of ST12’s villain from you, here’s a way for you to give us some hints without the Trekmovie gang having to resort to the online equivalent of waterboarding you (or metaphorically tying you to a chair and forcing you to watch “Sex and the City 2” on a 24-hour loop – I suspect the latter is worse):

1. If the villain was ordering a dish of his favourite food, would it be live wriggly alien worms, or saag paneer with tandoori naan ?

Thanks for the humor, Jai.

I happen to love saag paneer (please don’t tell me it’s typically something only force-fed to constipated youth).

542. Rosemary - November 7, 2011

#541 What?

I took Jai to mean that if the villain was a Klingon he would ask for his favourite plate of garghhh (whatever spelling) – those live wriggly alien worms OR if it was Khan, he would ask for saag paneer with tandoori naan, ie a favourite Indian/Sikh dish.

Anyone know what a favourite Romulan or Vulcan dish might be? because that is what I think Benicio Del Toro’s character would be asking for.

Oh, to be a fly on the wall in certain places right now…sigh.

543. Rusty0918 - November 7, 2011

#539 – Funny – I know one review said it had a plot ripped from “Superman: The Movie.” That is it involved faults and bombs. A “View to a Kill” was one of the, if not the worst Bond movie ever made. But yeah, I see the “Goldfinger” rips too.

For that matter, “The Spy Who Loved Me” had a lot of elements ripped from “You Only Live Twice” (I enjoy both and the former is one of the two Moore Bonds worth watching – the other being “For Your Eyes Only.”) – both were directed by Lewis Gilbert. But I have to admit that it rehashes quite a bit from the previous one.

544. Rosemary - November 7, 2011

Dee – Oh dear. So you prefer Keachick to Rosemary (my actual name). I suppose Rosemary is a bit dull. After all, it’s just a herb that sits there in the ground. I guess it is all a matter of how you and others prefer to think or “see” me as either –



545. Charla - November 7, 2011

Wow I sure have missed alot!

OK, for starters….

1) 411 Odkin…. Please stop.

2) 412 MJ… Great observation and very plausible! WOOT!

3) 415 Anthony Thompson… I second that motion!!

4) 423 … BOB!! So glad to see you back!! Looking forward to WTP as well! Double WOOT!

5) 485 Rosemary… glad I eventually checked here, I didn’t know you have had troubles logging on. Glad your still here! :D

6) 491 Phil… LOL that would be too funny! Anarchy on!! :D My husband when he worked at the Sheriff’s office knew a corrections officer who would call everyone he met “Bob” even women and anyone he met. It was hilarious because he seemed serious when he did it which made it even funnier.

7) 500 & 502 Bilderberg and Odkin… Pleeeasse

8) 509 Bilderberg… Thanks for agreeing to stop and good for you regarding your fortune!

9) 518…RDR I liked Cillian too. He was also in another one of my favorite movies “Inception”- good actor.

Ok caught up for now. Good to see everyone again and the site being more active!

546. Charla - November 7, 2011

544- Rosemary… you should use whatever you like! The bird is really cool looking but also I like the spice Rosemary and use it often as I’m sure others do. So it’s not dull at all!

Curious, what is the “pinenut” connection or meaning?

547. MJ - November 7, 2011

The problem with changing your “internet name” on these boards is that many people will not realize it and mistake you for a new poster.

548. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 7, 2011

…Begging for some PIZZA.

For those not familiar with Del Toro and are interested in watching some of his movies, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas with Johnny Deep was one of my favorites. Warning: it’s trippy, but I enjoy Hunter S Thompson’s work.

549. MJ - November 7, 2011


I must confess, that one I first say this link with the word “bush” at the end, I smiled and hoped to see your…….well, you get it. :-))

550. Vultan - November 7, 2011


Trippy indeed… but a lot of weird fun to watch.
Have you seen “Rum Diary” yet?
I haven’t.

551. Odkin - November 7, 2011

So…. how ’bout that Borg question?? Why is everyone so obsessed about DelToro and ignoring “Inside The Productions” allegations about the real villain being the Borg?

552. Basement Blogger - November 7, 2011

Benicio Del Toro is a fine actor. Remember him as a henchman in the James Bond movie “License to Kill.” (1989) But please no mustache twirling bad guy. Been there, done that. And after all, this is Star Trek. It’s supposed to be intelligent science fiction.

553. Rose (pinenut) - November 7, 2011

#546 “Pinenut” is the term used to describe people who are Chris Pine fans. We are Pine nuts, as in nuts about (Chris) Pine…:)

Of course, it is probably quite coincidental that pinenuts are actually nuts that you can eat.

However, it is not coincidental that the name Pine originally came from the name of the tree. The Pyn(e) people got their name because they lived in or around pine forests and one or two because of their very long, lean stature (Anglo-Saxon name). Any of you think of anyone we know with that physique?

Dee no doubt saw one of the comments on the CP board earlier where someone wrote that he had become a sucker for conifers since seeing Star Trek 09…:) True! LOL.

Chris Pine should in no way feel insulted by any of this. Honestly, where would we be today without those beautiful pine trees, which grow almost anywhere, grow so tall and true, make fine houses and beautiful furniture?

Of course, I know he is not a tree nor am I a nut. But you know what I mean…

554. dmduncan - November 7, 2011

551. Odkin – November 7, 2011

“Why is everyone so obsessed about DelToro and ignoring “Inside The Productions” allegations about the real villain being the Borg?”


First, I wouldn’t call it an “obsession” so much as staying on topic which is, after all, Del Toro.

Second, Damon Lindelof said there would be no Borg. What’s to discuss? I know who Damon Lindelof is. Who’s the guy who posts anonymously as someone inside the production? Any poser can do that in a place like this.

555. DeShonn Steinblatt - November 7, 2011


Because the rest of us live in the real world.

556. N - November 7, 2011

Y’know I still have faith they’ll come up with something new instead of rehashing Khan and Klingons. And if they can’t come up with something new, then they really should get a different job.

557. Rose (pinenut) - November 7, 2011

I’m still Keachick everywhere else. I suspect there was a glitch with the email account – failed to recognise it for some reason, although it had been for more than a year. It was an account name that we took with us when we changed our ISP provider. Anyway, I changed it to the actual email/account name of our actual provider now and all seems to be working OK…

I’m working on our old computer with the 20 year old keyboard, so if you see an absence of the letters T or Y (upper and lower case), you’ll know I am using the older keyboard and sometimes I just have to nurse the old dear along…

558. dmduncan - November 7, 2011

“The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.”

Ecclesiastes 1:9

559. dmduncan - November 7, 2011

Just sayin

560. NCM - November 7, 2011

@551; ITP is being obnoxious. The last film didn’t have funds for any semblance of a Vulcan fleet – not even a destroyed ship, let alone ‘another blinking light,’ as I think boborci put it. They didn’t have time to flesh out Bones’ character, to develop the triad, for characters to grow, etc… The court has said they’ll build relationships between the crew, next – they’ll also have to further or end the S/U relationship…; and this ghost poster would have you believe that the next story will have time, funds, and will to develop Kirk, crew, Khan, Borg Queen-boinking-Chekov, presumably a plot, special effects… Furthermore, despite the actors not even having read a script, some guy working on pre-production has been privy to all manner of details, including a coming romance…

But, ‘Borg?’ you ask. I loved the Borg. They were original, and just creepy enough. They took Trek to a new level – also loved the Borg Queen. Yet, like the Klingons, the Borg have been done.

I’d be happy to see both Borg and Klingons again on the small screen, but I think New-U, big screen Trek needs to blaze a trail where no one has gone before.

561. Harry Ballz - November 7, 2011

What about actors like Gary Oldman, Christoph Waltz or Michael Fassbender?

Are they popular enough for the much vaunted foreign box-office?

562. billiam - November 7, 2011

@236, the Enterprise doesn’t necessarily find the Botany Bay. Kirk was made Captain years earlier in this universe. So the Enterprise may not even be in that sector of space when the Botany Bay passes through it. Khan could drift in space forever in this universe.

563. Harry Ballz - November 7, 2011

See, picking a mumbling brooding Spanish guy is so friggin’ obvious…..kind of like casting for a French waiter in a movie and picking someone who comes across as arrogant and rude. Well, DUH!

What’s the sense of a reboot if you can’t try for something a little different?

564. Vultan - November 7, 2011

It’s true that there’s “nothing new under the sun”… until someone comes along with a different mindset. Unfortunately, those types—the true visionaries—are few and far between, even in the creative field.

I’m hoping for something truly new and original out of this creative team, but one look at their resumes, particularly the writers, doesn’t exactly instill a great deal of confidence. More likely than not it’s going to be a rehash of some sort, but at least—fingers crossed—it will be an entertaining one.

565. Harry Ballz - November 7, 2011


Are you saying Khan would be…………..LOST IN SPACE?

(runs and hides)

566. Vultan - November 7, 2011


“What’s the sense of a reboot…?”

The same reason everything else is being rebooted.

567. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 7, 2011

550. Yeah, Vultan I saw it last weekend. It was good, but I expected something a bit different. It’s more like an origin movie; how he becomes the Hunter S. we have come to know, how he “finds his voice.” Still it wasn’t bad. I’m a fussy moviegoer I’m afraid. Johnny Depp says he wants to do more movies about Thompson.

568. Vultan - November 7, 2011


Sounds good to me. I’d rather see Depp do that than make a thousand more pale-face Tim Burton movies.

569. boborci - November 7, 2011

566. Money seems like an obvious motive IN HINDSIGHT after we made a successful movie, which few predicted. The real motive was simpler: we, as trek fans, wanted to see the continuing stories of Kirk and Spock and Bones and Scotty and Uhura amd Chekov. Period.

570. Rose (pinenut) - November 7, 2011

Wasn’t there a comment made by Zachary Quinto about how he would have get very fit, do lots of cardio because of lots of running… to do? I seem to think that there was also some comment about Quinto/Spock being more emotional?

That the younger altSpock would be more emotional is understandable, given what has just happened.

One possible scenario could be that Uhura notices just how very moody Spock is getting, often being cold and distant. Then one day he just lets loose, maybe it is coming near to the time of Pon Farr (he and Uhura are sort of prepared for it), however now he is overcome with tremendous passion and lust for her and goes too far, overwhelming her, even hurting her. He retreats and somehow manages to find some equilibrium and apologises to her, but she is more injured than he realises… and Kirk and McCoy learn about it. Spock also finds out that he has an older half-brother that his father, Sarek, did not tell him about.

This sets Spock off again and this time he steals a shuttlecraft and goes in search of his brother, Sybok, who apparently was not on Vulcan when it was destroyed. Enter Del Toro as Sybok and the two brothers are angry and do some plotting. Quinto/Spock even grows a goatee. At this point, nobody knows how *bad* Spock and Sybok have become, but they’re bad boys…Spock kills Stonn and then tells T’Pring to eff off. That’s Pon Farr dealt with.

How am I doing so far?

Meanwhile Kirk and the Enterprise tell the Federation and Starfleet that finding Spock and Sybok is their job and Kirk is then off “to seek out new life, new civilizations, to boldly go where no human has gone before”, right inside an extraordinarily beautifully endowed Menosian woman…

How am I doing so far?

571. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 7, 2011

568. Or worse, another Pirates flick.

Good answer Mr. Orci. Yes, good indeed.

572. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 7, 2011

Hey Bob, what are the odds the movie can make it to theaters before 2013? You can answer that, can’t you?

573. NCM - November 7, 2011

Harry, where’s your happy face and usual good humor? Sounds like someone got you by the short-hairs tonight. Hope it’s all sorted out by morn.

574. Bilderberg Group Trek Fan - November 7, 2011

#569. Mr Orci, keep of the good work! Trek 09 is my favorite film of all time!

Incidentally, Star Trek is popular and is a frequent topical discussion point among my friends and associates here in Zurich. And back in my hometown of London, well, you know how we Brits love Trek.

Looking forward to #2, Bob!

575. Vultan - November 7, 2011


I was talking about the studios’ motives behind the growing amount of reboots coming out of Hollywood, not the writers.

Your love of the characters is evident. No need to explain.

576. Aurore - November 7, 2011

” The real motive was simpler: we, as trek fans, wanted to see the continuing stories of Kirk and Spock and Bones and Scotty and Uhura amd Chekov. Period.”

This is all fine and good but……..What the h*ll happened to Sulu in your statement?!
Are you sure, you are true Star Trek fans?


577. ensign joe - November 7, 2011

@ 569 boborci

Don’t forget about the Enterprise! She is a character too!

578. Harry Ballz - November 7, 2011

573. “Harry, where’s your happy face and usual good humor?”

NCM, if we have to wait 4 years between Star Trek films, I have little patience in thinking the Supreme Court might get the next one WRONG!

There are so many GREAT storylines possible for the next movie, I don’t want them pandering to an audience who thinks Jerry f*ckin’ Lewis is a comedic god!

579. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 7, 2011

So Bob is it A. 100% You can take that the credit union.
2. 50/50 Still better than anything you’ll get in Vegas.
D. 0%. Don’t hold your breath kiddo.
or 3, I mean 5. How much money you got on you?

580. Rose (pinenut) - November 7, 2011

#569 boborci – Finally, the truth will out itself, no matter what!

Star Trek 2009 needed to make money and so will this sequel need to as well. But that is not the main point of the exercise in making more Star Treks. People who love Star Trek, in all its carnations including this one, know that!

BTW, tell me people, what is it that pays your power bills, water bills, car bills, food bills? Like the studio don’t have the same bills to pay and more?

581. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 7, 2011

578 How ’bout an audience that prefers Snookie (sp?).

582. Harry Ballz - November 7, 2011


I assume you misspelled and meant NOOKIE? That would be a big audience!

583. Aurore - November 7, 2011


Begging for some PIZZA ,somewhere, in the land of the secure, seymour?

Never on my (foreign) watch…


584. Rose (pinenut) - November 7, 2011

People pulling themselves by the short and curlies because it is revealed that a Hispanic, Benicio Del Toro, whose English is not the best, according to some, is likely to be cast as a villain, is a bit out there now, isn’t it? You know, I always thought I wandered around with my “cup half empty” instead of “half full”, but gee, not anymore, not after coming to this and other sites over the past couple of years. Good grief.

585. Charla - November 7, 2011

553- aka Keachick, Rosemary,rose pinenut, lol- PINEnut should have been a big clue for me!! DOH!! I hadn’t given it much thought until your posting this week. *blushing*

561- Harry, I have heard of and like Gary Oldman too- he has done a wide range of work and done it well to boot. The other 2, I am not familiar with, so I will have to do a search on them.

569- Bob, the Supreme Court’s admiration for Trek was so obvious! I seriously almost dreaded going, I just didn’t like a few of the previous movies. (more a TOS fan but enjoy TNG too) After watching ST’09 I was floored by how much fun and excitement ST ’09 exuded!! It had to have been risky on a few levels. Glad you guys took the helm and it paid off.

586. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 7, 2011

Nookie? Yes, of course. Speaking of which, I could sure go for some PIZZA.

587. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 7, 2011

As for Khan, I don’t give a FLYING… Oh, hey Aurore. What’s a nice girl like you doing on a thread like this?

588. Aurore - November 7, 2011

Hi, seymour!

“Oh, hey Aurore. What’s a nice girl like you doing on a thread like this?”

Isn’t it obvious?
Improving my interpersonal relationship skills, together with my English, BABY!!!!!!!!!!!


589. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 7, 2011

Improve your English? It’s better than mine!

590. Rose (pinenut) - November 7, 2011

Nobody willing to comment on my naughty little story. I actually started out being serious, but then, I dunno…Everything and everyone is so PC. Why can’t we have Spock go AWOL and Kirk get to experience the ‘BIG BANG’?

How about it, Bob? No?

I know, Benicio will play one of those rogue hippies with a dark, sinister agenda. He will talk “yogi-isms”, mumble something about *nulis (which nobody believes, not even him), play banjo, ukulele and sing. Can Benicio sing? Well, here’s his big chance!

* but we know what they are, because I have told you all…I hope you’ve been paying attention, especially you, Mr Orci. Any idea what that agenda might be, Bob? Not sure right now, but it’ll come to me…:)

PS I haven’t been smoking or drinking anything, not even a (pine)nut. Honest truth. Cripes – imagine what I could be like if I did…:>)

591. Vultan - November 7, 2011


Funny, all those bills existed before the reboot craze, and the studios still managed to get by… on all those millions. Poor guys.

But I really can’t blame ’em for wanting to make as much dough as possible. That’s capitalism, baby! They’ve tapped a gold mine—the past—and I doubt we’ll see an “Occupy the Backlot” protest movement anytime soon. ;)

592. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 7, 2011

…As well as your interpersonal relationship skills.

593. MJ - November 7, 2011


Harry, what have you got against Jerry Lewis? He is one of the funniest guys of all time.

I agree that you seem kind of grumpy today.

594. Harry Ballz - November 8, 2011

Maybe tomorrow will lead me to sweetness and light. Wouldn’t that be refreshing!

595. Harry Ballz - November 8, 2011

I guess I’m sick of the entertainment industry pandering to the lowest common denominator.

Look, I know Hollywood is where ART meets COMMERCE…………………….

Too bad ART left town 20 years ago.

So sad, on so many levels.

596. Harry Ballz - November 8, 2011

Bob could make a mediocre movie, appealing to the unwashed masses.

Or, he could make a classic, a film destined to be talked about for decades.

Chances are either film would make a shitload of money.

Bob, I dare you to do better.

597. Rose (pinenut) - November 8, 2011

#591 – While everyone appears to moan about all the reboots etc, people still go see the movies, if only out of curiosity in order to see what the latest set of film makers have done with an idea. There are also some stories that people want to see and hear over and over, albeit perhaps updated and refreshed a bit.

The reason I went to see Star Trek 09 was curiosity. I had heard very little about any new Star Trek movie, so when it was advertised on TV here, the same as what you all would have seen, it certainly caught my attention. I had no idea what to expect (in a picture taken of all the cast, the one who was Kirk wasn’t even in the captain’s chair in the middle – I was somewhat puzzled by that), but I still wanted to see what these new people did with my Star Trek. I was pleasantly surprised.

Look at how many people want to see many of the original characters from the TOS series appear somewhere in this film series. While some scream for new stories, characters, ideas, other want to see the familiar, just done in a slightly different way. Frankly, with skill, I don’t see how a combination could not work. However, with such a combination, I do think that telling a new story with new adversaries/villains/allies etc should take greater precedence.

Frankly, I don’t understand the silly sarcasm.

598. Rose (pinenut) - November 8, 2011

This is what was on the IMDb Untitled Star Trek Sequel message board, posted 8 minutes ago – re the character Benicio Del Toro will play

Yep. Thats right. A Borg.
Just got done talkin’ w/my bud who helps with cgi & he was told to start working on Borg images.
Unfortunately, there is no link to this. I can’t even say his name because he would be fired immediately. He doesn’t even know what the actual script is really about. He was just told to start working on the Borg images.
I am stoked about this!!”

Bob? Come on, is there any truth to this? How big a role is it, if true? The rumours have just started and will no doubt increase.

No Khan. No Borg. They are ugly, horrible beings. There is already too much of this type of stuff. Can’t you guys write about anything beautiful, whimsical, extraordinary? There is nothing extraordinary about the bloody Borg. They are all a bunch of space creeps dreamt up in someone’s torrid, deranged and sick mind. Why do so many writers, producers, whoever want to drag filmgoers down into their bottomless hell hole pits that they have fallen into, instead of begging for someone to pull them out into the light of beauty and love?

I realise that I am in a strange space tonight, but not all that I am saying has no meaning or sense. Does anyone understand what I am trying to say here?

599. MJ - November 8, 2011


Just checked out this guy on IMDB. Here are some examples of his other non-Trek posts:

“And again agree…Did you see her tata’s in The Messengers 2? Smokin’ hot girl…”

“I used to be addicted to meth for a year back in the mid 90’s”

“Hi Jessica, I am watching Sex & Death right now & had to look you up on here. Thats cool that you post on here. I was hoping to find some more movies with you in them. I don’t understand why you don’t have anymore films since S & D. Hope I get to see a LOT more of you soon cutie;) ”


600. Charla - November 8, 2011

597- I was in school in ’09 and didn’t watch much TV- so I didn’t see any trailers but one and that was of the mysterious man welding atop of a ship that I took as being the Enterprise. I really liked the mystery surrounding the movie and succumbed to my teens wanting to see it on the big screen. So glad I did! :D

601. Charla - November 8, 2011

598- Rose- I understand, but I would take this information with a grain of salt… seems like he is seeking attention. No one is going to know who the villian is at this point, he wants to be the man in the know. LOL

599- MJ – Sounds like a great guy!! NOT!!

602. Vultan - November 8, 2011


That wasn’t sarcasm. I really don’t blame these guys for wanting to make a little more money… and a little more… and a little more…

But c’mon, let’s not be kids here. As Harry said, art left town 20 years ago. Star Trek was brought back for the same reason GI Joe was brought back… and Robocop… and Red Dawn… and Battleship… and Day the Earth Stood Still… and Drop Dead Fred… and Arthur… and Transformers… and V… and Hawaii 5-O… and Charlie’s Angels… and….

See a pattern emerging here?

603. Charla - November 8, 2011

602- Vultan, The only pattern I see is that those you listed are not in the same category as Star Trek- It has endured for 45 yrs! yay!

I get what your saying with the others though…

604. VulcanFilmCritic - November 8, 2011

@599 Rose (pinenut) : ““Borg!! Yep. Thats right. A Borg.”

I hope this isn’t true as well. Mixing up the various denominations of Trek is not a very good idea. Because it really confuses the story line. I think the Borg are a compelling lot but keep them out of the TOS universe.

A cynical attempt to generate more fan interest often leads to a somewhat bland and confused product. Each of the incarnations of Trek is its own mythology.

Just look at what happened to the Spider-Man franchise when, bowing to fan pressure to incorporate Venom into the storyline, we ended up with Spider-Man 3. Sheeesh! A confused mess with way too many villains: Venon, Sandman and Hobgoblin/Harry. Please do not try to please all of the people all of the time.

If there is to be a villain (or major antagonist) don’t include others. The emotional impact from these stories derives from our IDENTIFICATION with the villain. These stories help us to deal with the villainous within ourselves. And usually we can only deal with one at a time. (Mudd-Who hasn’t lied? Mitchell and Khan-Who hasn’t been guilty of hubris? Klingons-Who hasn’t been aggressive? Miranda- who hasn’t been jealous?
We could run through all of the seven deadly sins and find Star Trek villains that personify all these sins in ourselves.)

Therefore, the best villains are those who have a good deal of character development. And if we can be tricked into somehow liking or admiring them before they reveal their true “evil” intentions (often just character faults) then so much the better.

605. robert - November 8, 2011

Kahn, but not the storyline from ST II Wrath of Kahn, but the storyline from the original TV series where the Enterprise comes upon the derelict ship adrift in space with Kahn and his cohorts in stasis, then McCoy awakens them and they try to take over the ship.

606. tony - November 8, 2011

Just a reminder, JJ said the sequel would not be a rehash of Wrath of Kahn. And that it would be a new story. So I doubt that benny boy will be Kahn.

607. Hugh Hoyland - November 8, 2011

In my mind I dont think a reveal of the villain at this point would be a big mistake or hurt the film in the least.

Actually it may cause some closure for many of the fans who seem to have a lot of pent up frustration about this, that or the other concerning the sequel and how it should be in their worlds.

I mean heck we knew who was going to be the bad guy in the Dark Knight at the end of the first Batman movie. And we know who its gonna be in the next one. I doubt it will impact the movies success one bit.

And IMO I would not be suprised or disappointed in the least if it is in fact Khan, if its well done it will kick MAJOR arse! :]

608. Hugh Hoyland - November 8, 2011

P.S. Save the Borg for Star Trek. 3 :]

609. kinooruen - November 8, 2011

Benicio as Khan, Benicio as Kor, Benicio as Gary Mitchell… kripes I just want something original, not a retread of every antagonist that Shatner-Kirk ever went up against.

610. Jai - November 8, 2011

NCM, re: #541:

“I happen to love saag paneer (please don’t tell me it’s typically something only force-fed to constipated youth).”

Ha ha ;) No, it’s a very popular classic Punjabi dish.

Rosemary/Rose (Pinenut), re: #542:

“I took Jai to mean that if the villain was a Klingon he would ask for his favourite plate of garghhh (whatever spelling) – those live wriggly alien worms OR if it was Khan, he would ask for saag paneer with tandoori naan,”

That’s right, but NCM was correctly alluding to how the spinach in saag paneer can sometimes have certain…er…digestive effects on some people.

But it is very tasty. Also goes well with stuffed parathas as an alternative to tandoori naan.

Dammit, now I’m hungry. Khaaaaaaaan !

611. Jai - November 8, 2011

DmDuncan, re: #554:

“First, I wouldn’t call it an “obsession” so much as staying on topic which is, after all, Del Toro.”

Good point. Enough from me about Punjabi cuisine or BSG.

612. Spiked Canon - November 8, 2011

Don’t forget the timeline. We are 10 years before the events of TOS would’ve happened. Mudd is probably still married. Khan is in a different quadrant. Borg (obviously) don’t know of human’s existence. There will and CANNOT ever be a remake of a TOS episode because of these points. It doesn’t mean a character or 2 will show up but the stories will be totally different

613. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 8, 2011

I seem to remember Mr. Orci stating that the villain would be someone from TOS. Maybe there are two then. Either way, Del Toro as a Borg would be a waste. Much like Bana was as Nero.

614. Dee - lvs moon' surface - November 8, 2011

#553. Rose (pinenut)… OK… It’s Good… remind your mood…

……….I think the bird is very interesting… I liked…. by the way…
I also went through “strangers moments” on the internet yesterday…

:-) :-)

615. David P - November 8, 2011


616. Dee - lvs moon' surface - November 8, 2011

Talking about Benicio del Toro… well, whatever the character that the producers want him to interpret in the film… is done, right?… if they are selecting the cast is because all the characters are already in the script… I can not be complaining about speculation… and make it clear I’m not criticizing anyone here… this is about me… I want to know what is actually… is being annoying wait for it…

The way is to be confident on the choice of the director and producers of the film… and let time pass and see how it looks in the end… go and having fun with the rumors that are coming…

:-) :-)

617. Rusty0918 - November 8, 2011

#612 – I don’t think the writers care about the timeline that much. They’ll make things meet earlier if it suits them. Like Khan.

618. VZX - November 8, 2011

I am against Khan, but other than that I really don’t care who the villain is. It could be someone new or one from TOS. I just hope that there are some more references to TOS like there were in the Trek09 movie, like Nurse Chapel, etc. Some more Easter Eggs for the fans. (I hope for a Kor reference)

619. n1701ncc - November 8, 2011

BobO. How can you miss out in re creating a character that can be just like a Lex Luther or the Joker. Harry Mudd was a comical fool in TOS. In this timeline he could be fanical mad man. Its perfect and it keeps the story line going.

The TOS fans speak up I think we have a great opportunity to define a real evil character.

620. Rosemary who wants to fly like a kea - November 8, 2011

We have gone from having only one computer to having three in a matter of days. Famine or feast around here, to be sure. I am using my sons’ computer at the moment, the one I have using for about a year since the parents’ one *died* (parents have only enough money to pay for food, gas, boring stuff like that) but sons have disposable incomes (courtesy of a generous grandfather). The name on this one is Rosemary.

I agree that Kea(chick) is more interesting, especially once I read up about the bird, after I had started using the name. Keas put a whole new spin on the term “bird brain”. I am informed that apparently the NZ kea alpine parrot is considered to be the fourth most intelligent creature on earth, including humans – goes like this – human beings, dolphins and chimpanzees, bears, keas… I have been thinking about using another pseudonym based on a plant or animal, which means bird, that are unique to NZ (NZ has only one indigenous mammal – small bats). I have thought of using the kea’s closet relative, the kakapo, but they are flightless and very rare (last count 96 on the entire planet) but they are some interesting quirks of their own, can be very long lived and have the most beautiful plumage. Thing is – I want to FLY! Another possibility is Tui, but I’d be constantly reminded of a lady I knew who died of leukemia at the age of 33, so maybe not.

Kakapo –

Tui –

I know – this is all soooo off topic. Sorry – couldn’t help it. I guess I am compensating in some way at the very notion of the possibility of ugly Borg or whoever will take up a good part of the Star Trek sequel. There is just so much more to life – good, beautiful!

621. Rosemary who is dumber than dumber than dumb, Bob - November 8, 2011

Please excuse my missing and incorrect words. Just woken up. I was going to say that you guys are bright enough to work out why I mean but then again…don’t let Bob Orci know this or else we can’t hope to get any clues at all…sigh.

622. Commodore Adams - November 8, 2011

@ 569. boborci

Its encouraging to hear you say that but in the end, don’t you have to capitulate to the Paramount executives? They obviously want to make a great movie, but money comes first. If they say “we want this”, do you have to give them that or do you have some pull with the Paramount executives and are able to convince them that your idea is better?

Would be gold if writers had some pull with the executives, to know that not every corporation in this world is controlled by geriatric males behind the scenes.

Oh, and don’t forget to vaporize some people :D


623. Phil - November 8, 2011

Come on, we have all had this discussion before “I really want to see in the next movie”?? No, I’d like to see a clever, creative effort at telling new stories, and not some loose rehash of some movie or episode from a long, long time ago. Explore some area of the Trek universe we HAVE NOT seen before, and it will be great! BDT, or any other actor can be an antagonist without actually having to be a villian, and if done properly, will fit nicely with what we know.

624. Dee - lvs moon' surface - November 8, 2011


I’m completely in love with Tui… he is my favorite… but it is definitely… something “Avatar”… I love blue… so…

:-) :-)

625. Rosemary - November 8, 2011

This was posted to the Untitled Star Trek Sequel IMDb board 8 hours ago. Check out the picture of Benicio Del Toro. Who does he remind you of? To me, he looks just like the Klingon Kang in the TOS TV series (played originally by Michael Ansara)! The plot thickens…

626. Vultan - November 8, 2011


Well put, Phil.

627. Rosemary - November 8, 2011

I keep wondering what a “villian” is…:)

628. Rosemary - November 8, 2011

Kang – Star Trek TOS

629. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 8, 2011

Dee – Yes, I agree the tui is beautiful and the bird also has a beautiful singing voice and is able to mimic sounds like the ring tone of a cellphone. People have actually been caught out that way, including my father-in-law – for real. No bull…:) People who think that animals/birds don’t have a sense of humour clearly have not met the indigenous birds downunder.

Kakapo are interesting in that it seems if you get them as chicks you can train them as you would a puppy. They are pretty smart, but then they are parrots (the world’s only flightless parrot) and closely related to keas.

Suddenly I get this image of James Kirk taking his young beagle down to a planet with him for R&R (now Kirk will receive this beagle from Archer and/or Pike, won’t he, Bob?) and when he comes back with what he thinks is his dog, what is transported up is a kakapo which answers to the dog’s name. Scotty is of course manning transporters. Another transporter bungle by Scotty? What’s with this alt-universe Scotty? Naturally, all gets quickly sorted out and no harm done to either animals, except that both the dog and the kakapo don’t think much of Scotty’s abilities and are more than a little vocal about it!..:)

630. dmduncan - November 8, 2011

611. Jai – November 8, 2011

Oh hey, it’s okay to drift a bit. We all do that. But the guy called staying on topic an “obsession,” which seems a bit unfair to me.

631. SciFiGuy - November 8, 2011

I’d rather see that glowing pinwheel whirlygig that feeds on hate from Day of the Dove as the next “villain” rather than Khan!! Or hell, even Kara the iMorg!

632. boborci - November 8, 2011

622. It’s the nice part of also being the producers.

633. Dee - lvs moon' surface - November 8, 2011

629. Keachick…

I heard the Tui singing… in this site link below… it’s really beautiful…

:-) :-)

634. Dee - lvs moon' surface - November 8, 2011

#625…Rosemary or Keachick… this is already making me dizzy… LOL

… about Benicio… when I read the first articles on this subject… I immediately thought Klingon… because this is the first impression that the look of Benicio brings me… so this may have happened with the producers, too…

….but they should know Benicio beyond the movies and better than me … so, they know that he can do another villain, too… after all he is a good actor……….. well, we’ll see if Benicio is interested in Trek sequel…

:-) :-)

635. Harry Ballz - November 8, 2011

Interested? Like he wouldn’t JUMP at the chance!

636. Dee - lvs moon' surface - November 8, 2011

#635.Harry Ballz …

if you are saying…. LOL… I want to know everything for sure… but boborci does not want to say anything…

:-) :-)

637. Phil - November 8, 2011

Note to self – don’t put text in brackets….

638. Kevin H - November 8, 2011

@569 boborci – The real motive was simpler: we, as trek fans, wanted to see the continuing stories of Kirk and Spock and Bones and Scotty and Uhura amd Chekov. Period.

You left out Sulu. Oh My!

Bad enough that in the other franchise, Uncle George L made the trade federation guys asian caricatures lulz

639. Red Dead Ryan - November 8, 2011

Geez, it looks more and more apparent that we’ll be seeing those dang Klingons again! I know they’re popular, and well known even by non-Trekkies, and I understand that a villain is need, but c’mon!

Instead of using a lesser used villain like the Gorn or Tholians, we’re going to be watching yet another Trek film filled with Klingons!

How can “Star Trek” possibly move forward when it chooses to KLING-ON to the past?

640. Red Dead Ryan - November 8, 2011


Bob’s “Star Trek” film, which earned almost $400 million worldwide, and is the highest grossing Trek film of all time, gives him and his fellow writers and producers, the clout to convince Paramount to go with his script ideas.

Success allows for that. Do you think Warner Bros. dares to interfere with Christopher Nolan’s filmmaking process after his films made almost $2.5 billion dollars for them?

Uh, no.

641. Shawn - November 8, 2011

Mr. Orci,

Are there going to be more space battles in the sequel? I thought the opening sequence (space battle) was one of the best parts of the film.


642. NCM - November 8, 2011

Bob Orci, you must have Gorn-thick skin to put up with all of us – talk about appealing to the masses… We are often whiners and clueless critics and we rarely express appreciation or mention what we love about Trek. We’re all here because of you and your team and while I think there’s a wealth of valid criticisms (you could have done a lot of things, but you could not have done them all), you made one helluva movie and built a future for Trek.

I appreciate your comments and think anyone here who would now question your status as Trek Fan Extraordinaire is… well now, in deference to the tea drinkers here, I can’t say “un-American”…

643. Lostrod - November 8, 2011

#561 – HB

“What about actors like Gary Oldman, Christoph Waltz or Michael Fassbender?

Are they popular enough for the much vaunted foreign box-office?”

I dunno. Gary Oldman wasn’t able to help the 1998 reboot of Lost in Space …


644. MJ - November 8, 2011

@625 @629

Please, enought with the constant name changes. Please pick one and stick with it. It was cute at first, but now it is giving me a headache. :-)

645. Harry Ballz - November 8, 2011


Yeah, but a great actor nonetheless.

646. Red Dead Ryan - November 8, 2011

Gary Oldman should be recognizable from the Chris Nolan “Batman” films. He’s a great as Commisioner Gordon.

Can’t remember if I’ve seen him in any of his other movies, though.

By the way, if he ever reaches the age of 100, people will start calling him “Very” Old-Man!

647. Harry Ballz - November 8, 2011


Oldman was the villain in Air Force One and played Lee Harvey Oswald in JFK.

648. Red Dead Ryan - November 8, 2011


I saw “Air Force One”, but couldn’t sit through JFK.

649. dmduncan - November 8, 2011

Oldman’s Dracula: The best.

650. VZX - November 8, 2011

I just got Coppola’s Dracula on Blu ray….Oldman is quite possibly the best working actor today…..

651. dmduncan - November 8, 2011

Coppola’s Dracula, great movie. “I have crossed…oceans of time…to find you.”

652. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 8, 2011

Gosh. The things that will give people headaches these days…oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

Well, Bob, does Benicio look like Kang? Is he Kang? Be honest now. Can’t you just say Yup or Nope? We’ve all sworn to trustworthiness, haven’t we? Some of us have even resorted to taking “dummy/trust” pills to ensure no vow breaking…

I hope it does not mean that Kang will be a central character, but to not have Klingons (or mention) does not make that much sense, since the Klingons were a significant force with similar space travelling and other technologies, a culture driven to conquest of new worlds and dependent on dilithium crystals the same way Starfleet is. Khan was just one of a small ship load of genetically engineered snots who nobody knew what to do with.

Anyway, Benicio playing Kang fits nicely in with my own story, where the Enterprise encounters a Klingon ship. Now I know the Klingon captain’s name…:)

653. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 8, 2011

Yes, Oldman would be a great pick for Trek.

654. Vultan - November 8, 2011

Gary Oldman’s latest film is “Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy.” It hasn’t opened in the States yet, but I’ve heard it’s doing well in the UK.

Anyway, I’m looking forward to it. Looks like a good old-fashioned spy caper.
Here’s the trailer:

655. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 8, 2011

Interesting Vultan, I’ll keep an eye out. I think the first movie I saw Gary Oldman in was Rosencrantz And Guildenstern Are Dead. I enjoyed it but don’t remember much since it was back in the 80’s and I haven’t seen it since. I believe it was a twist on Hamlet. I’m going to have to find it again.

656. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 8, 2011

Gary Oldman also played Sirius Black in Harry Potter. He was a good guy in that. Tom Hardy is in Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy as well.

Anyway, the first week of November is gone. When can we expect to hear the Quinto gnashing of teeth as his bushy brows are being shaved and plucked? Maybe the same time we hear something similar from Benicio Del Toro, Ben Cross and others? I wonder – will Ben Cross as Sarek be in the sequel (not a big part, though)? What about Bruce Greenwood as Pike?

So many questions, so few answers. Patience, patience is the key, so I am told.

657. Mascaw - November 8, 2011

I think he would make an excellent villain in the new movie. Just please no khan. I can see him as Kor or Kang but as much as I loved the wrath of khan Ive seen it,several times. Though id love to see the enterprise throw down with a klingon d-7 cruiser. Cant wait for the movie though, whatever it turns out to be.

658. Cygnus-X1 - November 9, 2011

Maybe del Toro is going to play Will Riker from an alternate universe who comes back in time to work together with the Enterprise crew as they come together to save Earth. But this time there won’t be conflict between Kirk and Spock. Everyone will get along. Though Kirk will feel a tinge of resentment because Riker is horning in a bit on Kirk’s role as the ultimate lady’s man aboard the Enterprise. But Kirk is a pro after all and decides to channel his rage into his lifelong hobby of stamp collecting. And in the end the Enterprise crew plus Riker defeat Khan and his Borg Queen Girlfriend, and with his dying breath Khan curses the writers for having resurrected his character after the singular performance by the late Ricardo Montalban, and then Riker turns to the camera and with his big grin says, “See, I told you it wasn’t me,” and winks. The End. And the title is…

“Enterprise + 1″

659. Bilderberg Group Trek Fan - November 9, 2011

#643. Lostrod, I find Gary Oldman to bit hit and miss. What would you think of Michael Emerson from Lost and Person of Interest for a role in the next Trek film?

Lost was not big here in Europe, but I now working my way thought the DVD’s. Emerson seems like an underated error.

660. Bilderberg Group Trek Fan - November 9, 2011

Sheesh Lostrod, I need a coffee break here mid-morning in Zurich given all my typos above. Here is my corrected sentence — sorry, but we have been working night and day on the Greek finanical crisis here.

Lost was not big here in Europe, but I am now working my way though the DVD’s. Emerson seems like an underated actor.

661. Janice - November 9, 2011

Yes—what about Bruce Greenwood as Pike??
He’s the one I definitely want to see back!! Absolutely definitely!!

662. billiam - November 9, 2011

@565, yes, he would be Lost In Space! I remember reading that the executives wanted to make TOS more like Lost In Space. They’d finally get their wish! Would make perfct sense then to have Gary Oldman!
Gary Oldman also played Sid Vicious in Sid and Nancy. Was great in that.

663. Commodore Adams - November 9, 2011

@ 632. boborci

Gotcha. Thanks for the affirmation.

All the best with this endeavor, I wish you full sails and a clear horizon.

664. Travis - November 9, 2011

@612:… I think you should read the Star Trek Timeline again buddy because you are so wrong.

1: Prime Timeline Enterprise launches 2245… Kirk takes command 2258.

2: Alt. Timeline Enterprise launches in 2258, Kirk takes command 2258. TOS timeline is on track.

3: Read the new Star Trek comics and you will see they are being re-done using the new TOS characters… Therefore IT ALL BEGINS AGAIN!!!!!!

665. AJ - November 9, 2011


When do we get the first of the on-line video diaries?

Peter Jackson just did one from New Zealand showing actors in costume, sets, details of the new 3D camera technology, and interviews with the two Tolkien artists as they assist with production design.

Yes, everyone already knows the plot of “The Hobbit,” yet the excitement is no less palpable. The Hobbiton sets are excitingly exactly the same as they were in the LOTR films, as are hobbits, dwarves, Gandalf and Elrond. But it is jump-up-and-down exciting, especially with Peter Jackson’s nerdy yet god-like presentation in his local NZ brogue.

Why don’t you guys take a chance and do the same? Show us the crew and Apple Store Bridge, and you guys can all take turns narrating. It’s more exciting than the ‘wall of silence’ approach. It builds anticipation and makes us happy.

666. Harry Ballz - November 9, 2011

665. AJ “makes us happy”

….and, Bob, you KNOW how much we like to be happy!

p.s. we hope you managed to work the name of our friend Del Trame (BND) into the movie.

667. Harry Ballz - November 9, 2011

Oh, and Bob, just because my last post was #666, please don’t consider that to be a devilish remark!

668. Jamziz - November 9, 2011

All I ask for is:

– Character Depth
– Scale with respect to the Trek Universe (felt like I was on a set for most of the last film)
– More background (i.e. more politics, more humanitarian messages, more TREK!)

I want to see a future that I will envy and wish I lived in. If you can evoke that feeling in the audience the sales for this film should be unbelievable, but more importantly you will have done good.

669. Lostrod - November 9, 2011


“#643. Lostrod, I find Gary Oldman to bit hit and miss. What would you think of Michael Emerson from Lost and Person of Interest for a role in the next Trek film?”

Yes, Mr. Emerson was excellent in Lost, although I have not seen Person of Interest yet. Would love to see him crossover to Trek. Perhaps as a shifty Federation official or politician.

Can’t quite picture him as a Klingon though :)


670. Marshall McMellon - November 9, 2011

I’m voting Klingon. He’s got the right look for a TOS era Klingon.

671. NCM - November 9, 2011

News is growing stale. Something new, please…?

Bob, you could keep us entertained by challenging yourself to feed us crumbs that aren’t newsworthy; like whether or not Enterprise uniforms will be any different in this film (I disliked the uniforms; not because they were boring – cadets can hardly expect flash – but because they simply ‘did nothing’ for the guys who wore them.

672. dmduncan - November 9, 2011

Well look at the headline photo of Benicio. He’s already got the ridges in his brow, and the calculating squint in his eyes.

673. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 9, 2011

I have already requested photos of the actors assembled together on the bridge of the Enterprise in uniform (costume) and appropriate makeup of the characters they are portraying and/or in their own clothes as they are as actors.

@Bob Orci and co. –
A pre-Christmas/Holidays present photoshoot would be nice; something to treasure. Perhaps it might be too much to ask to see the captain’s quarters with Pine/Kirk in them; or a peak at part of Engineering that we did not see in Trek 09; or the Briefing Room; or Benicio Del Toro in full costume revealing his character! OK, if it is all too much – just give us some nice pictures as per the above paragraph. Now you can do that, can’t you?

Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto are both back in LA – just start with them!

674. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 9, 2011

#665 – “especially with Peter Jackson’s nerdy yet god-like presentation in his local NZ brogue.”

Local NZ brogue, as in accent? I detect none. He sounds how all English speaking people should, free of any accent/brogue… However, he does come from Wellington; he is not a JAFA like me; maybe a cause for concern, maybe not…Hmmm? …:)

675. S. John Ross - November 9, 2011

#380, #386 and others: Twice in a row, you mean?

676. Harry Ballz - November 9, 2011

672. dmduncan

“Benicio…already got the ridges in his brow, and the calculating squint in his eyes”

Yes, and the James Dean-like smirk/pout that all Klingons are famous for!


677. Aurore - November 9, 2011

“Improve your English? It’s better than mine!…As well as your interpersonal relationship skills.”

…Then, stick around on this very informative thread (site) , and, learn…with me.

Here, the meaning of life itself may well be revealed before our eyes in a matter of minutes, now…

678. Harry Ballz - November 9, 2011

Aurore, well, aren’t we the optimistic one?

679. Aurore - November 9, 2011

“Aurore, well, aren’t we the optimistic one?”

Sweetness and light is my middle name.
(Modesty? ‘Don’t need no stinkin’ modesty!)


680. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 9, 2011

Yes Aurore, go ahead. I’m listening.

681. Aurore - November 9, 2011

You, go ahead; gentlemen first.
(Gotta go. See you later)

682. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 9, 2011

But what about the “…then, stick around on this very informative thread (site) , and, learn…with me. Here the meaning of life itself may well be revealed before our eyes in a matter of minutes, now…” part?

683. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 9, 2011

Lost in Space was a miss. Nothing Gary Oldman could about that.

684. Harry Ballz - November 9, 2011


mw, what, you expected a woman to stick with one train of thought for more than a minute?

(runs and hides)

685. spooky - November 10, 2011

Well, after reading a good chunk of these comments. I think it is going to be a long wait. So I have this to say after thinking long and hard about TOS. Since this is a reboot of the TOS format; guns will be blazing and beds will be creaking, you know the drill. So, we will not be seeing any Picard style diplomatic maneuvering in this TREK, no one talks his way out of these movies. This is likely to burn out by movie 4 but that is okay for now I suppose. Anyway if that is the case, bring on the explosions, nakedness and fight sequences, don’t forget the TOS fight themes. One thing I think you Bob and co. all missed was the triad of Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. I hope to see the beginning of that in this movie. I felt that was sorely lacking in the 09′ movie. I know you guys wanted to add a few twists here and there but, c’mon. That is STAR TREK fer crying out loud. As for the secondary characters, it would make sense to connect those characters in a similar fashion, tier one, tier two, tier three etc. of their own triads or quadriads, err, not that I am telling you what to do. I am sure you have something cooking there along those lines or other. A few more things of contention. Someone mentioned Vulcan lacking a starship fleet. I have to agree with that, where the hell were their ships in the 09′ movie. All I saw was a tiny little light in the background during Spock’s beam down. Don’t these guys have advanced sexy starships? What the heck were they doing in that cave anyway?! It looked like they were all peeing or something. Sorry, getting a bit off topic here. Gosh, let’s see some classic TOS Aliens; Tholians, Andorians, Gorn and so on. I never did get to see a shuttlecraft flying low over a stampede of alien creatures running through an alien serengetti. I did however see a stampede of lens flares mucking about the movie. I thought I was having a migraine attack, jk. I was very critical of the 09′ movie awhile back, I have had time to resolve my gripes to a point. Still, I felt that the science of it was too silly and plot convenient. Flying in and out of blackholes; those blackholes conveniently destroys nero’s ship yet, didn’t he exit out of one?! Skydiving through the Vulcan atmosphere without burning up, and sound in space when its needed was an okay touch. Hire a science adviser this time around or snatch up the cool ideas from science based television programs such as; TLC, DISCOVERY CHANNEL, HISTORY CHANNEL. They have cool ideas about our galaxy, space anomalies, stars, galaxies, time, space travel, colonization, etc. that could be borrowed or incorporated into TREK. There are these things called magnatars that could be a cool idea for TREK. A magnatar is a star that has collapsed to the point of a super small dwarf star but has strong mass; gravity and a powerful electromagnetic field that could destroy a planet. This could play a possible doomsday scenario for our heroes to resolve in a movie. As for casting, I don’t mind Benicio Del Toro being in the movie. I just don’t like retreads of sacred material. In my mind, Khan is probably dead. I imagine that the blackhole that Spock opened up to swallow the supernova from the prime timeline opened up in various places shortly after nero and spock went through it, it was probably spitting out that supernovae matter for awhile and at which point somewhere along that line, Khan’s botany bay happened to come across one of these ejections and he and his crew were essentially roasted in this alternate universe before Space Seed even occured. So in ending, seeing as I am now rambling and no one will probably read this, I say. We are passionate about Trek, do us right and we will love you to death.

Do us wrong, and… heh heh heh. “rubs his sniper gun” :D

Not a real sniper gun, its loaded with sarcasm and negative words I swear! BTW… I’m a lover not a fighter, actually I am a fighting lover by nevermind, Goodnight. :)

686. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 10, 2011

I just found this. Look at the release date, although it did say it could change!

“Chris Pine talks Captain Kirk, Star Trek 2 growth

Star Trek actor Chris Pine has revealed how he hopes to see his character, Captain Kirk grow in Star Trek 2 and how he hopes to see this done. Chris also admitted that he had full faith in everybody associated with the movie to make it happen and work better than he could imagine.
Pine explained, “I don’t know. I look forward to his development and bringing to light all his idiosyncrasies and thinking up new ways to surprise people with this character. I just trust Damon Lindelof and Bob Orci and Alex Kurtzman and J.J. Abrams and everybody behind it to create another good story, because they’ve already done it.” He added, “I appreciate Kirk’s humor and I think that’s a legacy from Shatner’s Kirk, from the original and only Kirk, which I would love to bring into the future incarnation.” Star Trek 2 is expected to be released on August 16, 2012 but this could yet change.
#Star Trek 2 #Damon Lindelof #Bob Orci #Alex Kurtzman #J.J. Abrams”

Bob Orci – Can you confirm or otherwise?

687. Aurore - November 10, 2011

“But what about the’…then, stick around on this very informative thread (site) , and, learn…with me. Here the meaning of life itself may well be revealed before our eyes in a matter of minutes, now…’ part?”

Here it was seymour, and, as expected, it was made clear to you in a matter of minutes, while I was having breakfast:

“mw, what, you expected a woman to stick with one train of thought for more than a minute?”

That was lesson number 12 on the path of unveiling the meaning of life, seymour.
There’s much more to come, of course.

So, keep an open mind; gaining real knowledge requires as much.

Stick around.

688. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 10, 2011

#685 Well, I read your ramble. One little correction: Kirk, Sulu and Olsen did not skydive from space into the Vulcan atmosphere. They left the shuttlecraft once Pike had flown them from the Enterprise into the atmosphere where they could not burn up.

Dee – I have seen some more pictures from that Halloween Party that our CP and his mystery lady went to. So, the lady on the table was a real woman and was naked, apart from the food delicately placed on various parts of her body. The expression on the Pine face said it all as he looked at the camera while picking sushi up with chopsticks from the well endowed attractive young woman lying on the table…So LOVE it! (Where did you get these pics? OK, perhaps I won’t ask.)

Now for a scene like that in Star Trek. I dare ya, Bob!

689. Califlaman1976 - November 10, 2011

Benicio is about to become the only actor to have played a role in the two longest consecutively running series in hollywood history. James Bond and now star trek.

690. Aurore - November 10, 2011

” Star Trek 2 is expected to be released on August 16, 2012 but this could yet change.”

Lesson number 2 : keep the faith .


691. Califlaman1976 - November 10, 2011

690 it.was officially reported a few weeks back its not being called star trek 2.

692. Califlaman1976 - November 10, 2011
The link to above referenced article

693. Aurore - November 10, 2011

“690 it.was officially reported a few weeks back its not being called star trek 2.”


But, until we have a title, referring to the upcoming sequel as “Star Trek 2″ will do, as far as I’m concerned.


Thank you for the link.

694. The Last Vulcan - November 10, 2011

#690, in August, the movie will still be in post. ZERO chance. Xmas ‘12 at the earliest IMHO.

695. Aurore - November 10, 2011

“#690, in August, the movie will still be in post. ZERO chance. Xmas ‘12 at the earliest IMHO.”

We’ll see about that, won’t we?
If you are right, I’ll say this; Christmas 2012 sounds good to me, too.

It’s the *2012* I like the most in your comment as well as the one in 686…

696. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 10, 2011

“Here it was seymour, and, as expected, it was made clear to you in a matter of minutes, while I was having breakfast:”

Wait, so I missed it again? I never get these zen riddles; damn it!

Harry don’t get me into any trouble. I have that nasty habit and I trying to break it.

697. Adolescent Nightmare - November 10, 2011

In Spanish Del Toro means


698. Harry Ballz - November 10, 2011

Heh heh heh…….:>)

699. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 10, 2011


700. Aurore - November 10, 2011

699. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney – November 10, 2011

…OK. Enough.

When I said “stick around on this very informative thread (site) , and, learn…with me” , I meant that “knowledge” would come from reading the articles and comments, on the site.

You are not in any kind of trouble.
….Unless if you feel like bringing up that “Benicio Del Toro as Harry Mudd” nonsense, again…


701. Commodore Adams - November 10, 2011

Just read an article by Garrett Wang saying he was not invited to the Star Trek 2009 premier. Would be nice for the next movie if the cast members of all Star Trek series were given invitations to the 2013 premier. It would be a great sign of respect.

702. Danpaine - November 10, 2011

701. Commodore Adams – November 10, 2011

Agreed as to the invites, but as to Wang specifically, he’s doing a lot of whining lately. Perhaps due to the fact his career blows and he has no talent.

703. AJ - November 10, 2011



Peter Jackson’s English sounds exotic to me, being from New York City, and his narration conveys the desire to really, really get you psyched for the movie.

The “wall of silence” approach we get from JJ conveys, as they say, “two fingers, right up your nose.”

704. Jay - November 10, 2011

While I would love it if the movie were released in August 2012, I have a hard time believing they could possibly meet that date.

I don’t wan them to rush this movie into release, and if they aren’t starting production until January at the earliest, it seems nearly impossible to release the movie a short 8 months later.

705. KingRalph4BestFIlmEvz! - November 10, 2011

I think they should get John Goodman to play Khan and have Kirk have to make friends with a women he spurned (played by Rosanne Barr) in order to seduce Khan and leave him on the gangster planet from TOS.

Del Toro is probably going to reprise his role from Fear and Loathing in the new Trek and Spock will find him in the bath electrocuted with White Rabbit playing.
It’d be ‘interesting’ indeed.

706. Phil - November 10, 2011

Hey…what happened to Inside the Production? Not inside anymore?

707. Craiger - November 10, 2011

Trekweb scoops Trekmovie again. Star Trek sequel should premier in 2013. Abrams is working on it now.

708. Craiger - November 10, 2011

I wonder depending on secrecy of the sequel maybe Trek sites like this wont see much in Trek news until 2013 then traffic on Trek sites will slow down to such a point that people like Anthony wont really care about running Trek sites anymore?

709. Vultan - November 10, 2011

Ah, so Anthony didn’t wish the sequel into the cornfield after all?
“It’s good that you did that, Anthony. Real good!”


710. Craiger - November 10, 2011

I also can’t blame Anthony anymore for not keeping up with this site if their wont be that much news to cover anyway with the sequel that far off. I wonder if their isn’t that much general Trek news anymore anyway?

711. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 10, 2011

AJ – Please, don’t take me too seriously. I was joking around. To your ears, Peter Jackson and I have an accent, but you can’t hear your own accent. To my ears, you would be speaking English with an accent, but I can’t hear my own accent. Do you get my meaning here? It’s normal, natural and perfectly OK.

No, given that filming is to start in January, I don’t think the movie will make it to screens by August next year. I think it was an old interview but this information is still floating around out there. There are some people who seem surprised that the sequel has not been filmed yet. It seems that, as per the link provided here by poster #707, next December will be out too…sob, sob, sob. Oh the wait, the long, long, long wait!

Is Peter Jackson the exception, rather than the rule, when it comes to updating fans with the progress of the Tolkien films that he is making? Do other directors like James Cameron and Christopher Nolan share the filming process with fans as well? Just wondering…

712. Dee - lvs moon' surface - November 10, 2011

673. Keachick….

Well… ZQ returned to LA for Halloween… then was back to NYC for a fashion show and returned to LA again… I think he really is getting ready to get inside a spacecraft…. LOL

:-) :-)

713. Dee - lvs moon' surface - November 10, 2011

673. Keachick….

And… ZQ is also preparing a short film about a dog……maybe with Noah………………………. about Trek sequel?…. ………..only boborci knows……I guess……….:-) :-)

714. Aurore - November 10, 2011

“Would be nice for the next movie if the cast members of all Star Trek series were given invitations to the 2013 premier. It would be a great sign of respect.”

It would be nice if I were given an invitation to the premiere.
It would be a great sign of…….well, it would be a great sign, that’s for sure.

Just sayin, Toto…Just sayin…


715. NCM - November 10, 2011

676. Harry Ballz: Benicio… “James Dean-like smirk/pout”

I noted the sultry pout, too – thought it Pitt-like pout.

Harry @ 684: “…you expected a woman to stick with one train of thought for more than a minute?”

By this, you meant to compliment the invaluable ability of the female mind to efficiently multitask, no doubt?

716. NCM - November 10, 2011

708. Craiger – November 10, 2011

“I wonder depending on secrecy of the sequel maybe Trek sites like this wont see much in Trek news until 2013 then traffic on Trek sites will slow down to such a point that people like Anthony wont really care about running Trek sites anymore?”

Craiger is right, Bob! The fate of this site, if not The Franchise itself may depend on you leaving a crumb trail for us – lest we must wander off to other pointless but more gratifying pastimes: {

717. Harry Ballz - November 10, 2011


of course, no doubt *cough*cough*. women rule the world, we all know that!

Q: What’s the difference between a man and an annuity bond?

A: An annuity bond matures!

718. Hugh Hoyland - November 10, 2011

2013 eh? Sheesh! Well I’ll still be there to see it either way, hopefully tickets wont cost 1000$ by that time. :]

P.S. Bob dont you think it would be cool to at least let us know for sure who the villain is? Please we (I mostly) cant wait that long! :]

719. Jack in London - November 10, 2011

Renegade Starfleet captain?

I liked him in Che, but ain’t a fan of, well, him in pretty much everything else he’s done. I don’t see much depth there — apart from the constant damaged, soulful gaze in every role.

I really, really hope it’s not Khan. I also hope it’s not a snidely whiplashy villain, like Nero was. Or a villain at all, really.

But, heck, I’m wrong all the time… and if it works, I’ll be thrilled.

720. Daniel craigs my wookie bitch now - November 10, 2011

I was at the premiere but of course i was projecting the movie. :)

721. Disinvited - November 10, 2011


Whether you were referring to the 2013 premiere or not, I suppose one could say you were projecting the future?

722. Phil - November 10, 2011

…assuming filming starts in January is assuming quite a bit with no script.

723. Aurore - November 10, 2011

706. Phil – November 10, 2011
Hey…what happened to Inside the Production? Not inside anymore?

Probably busy printing my invitation for the premiere.

That’s what my invisible friend ; Outside The Production, just whispered to me.

724. Harry Ballz - November 10, 2011

My friend, Out Of Production, said he was out of business!

725. Aurore - November 10, 2011

“My friend, Out Of Production, said he was out of business!”

‘Care to provide me with a link to a credible source to back up that assertion, sir?

…….That’s what I thought…..

726. Craiger - November 10, 2011

NCM, I think we all got too spoiled on info about the first Trek reboot movie and I am now not sure if we should just little tidbits this time, like who the main villian will be and who will play him or them and maybe that’s all we should know? Looking back I wonder if would have been better seeing the new Enterprise and Trek Universe look watching on screen for the first time instead of online?

727. Harry Ballz - November 10, 2011


Thank you for proving all French people ARE rude!

728. Craiger - November 10, 2011

By online I mean the photos of the Enterprise, the Shuttles and the uniforms.

729. Red Dead Ryan - November 10, 2011

Well, it looks like I’m one step closer to being correct about the Summer 2013 date! It just needs confirmation.

Of course, there could be a few bumps along the way such as a number of potential hit projects that the supreme court guys can’t resist, script problems, lawsuits, etc.

Hold onto your asses!

730. Harry Ballz - November 10, 2011

This thread keeps going, while the others wither on the vine.

Funny how we all congregate in the same spot.

Kinda sad, really.

731. Red Dead Ryan - November 10, 2011

Well, there is TrekNews.Net, where news is actually being posted. Nothing earth-shattering, but at least its something.

732. dmduncan - November 10, 2011

It won’t be called Star Trek 2? Good idea. I say follow the trend, like Transformers: Dark of the Moon, or Quantum of Solace. You obviously identify it as Star Trek, and then come up with some short phrase keyed to some important moment within the story. Perhaps a title that encapsulates some synecdoche within the story if such can be found.

733. NCM - November 10, 2011

Not summer 2012, not December 2012, ‘ a potential release in 2013′ (thanks for the link Craiger – @707) … ARGH! With Anthony AWOL, former morale officer Ballz sounding doom, it feels like our little ship is adrift.

Ever wonder what we’d all look like if we actually met in one place?

734. NCM - November 10, 2011

717. Harry Ballz;
“of course, no doubt *cough*cough*. women rule the world, we all know that!”
Q: What’s the difference between a man and an annuity bond?
A: An annuity bond matures!

Surely you jest. If we ruled the world, it wouldn’t be such a mess (kidding; don’t come after me).

On men and maturity; it’s a good thing women love five year olds; no matter how big they are, their manners, or their inability to load a dishwasher;)

735. Harry Ballz - November 10, 2011


If my morale is the thing keeping this ship afloat, God help us all!!!!!

736. Harry Ballz - November 10, 2011


If women ruled the world?

Yeah, sure, I can see it now………………………

Britain: “yes, we’re calling to see why you bombed us”

Brazil: “oh, I think you know why……”

737. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 10, 2011

Aurore, “You are not in any kind of trouble.
….Unless if you feel like bringing up that “Benicio Del Toro as Harry Mudd” nonsense, again…”

I just didn’t want that bad egg Harry Ballz helping me to get into trouble here since I’ve changed my evil ways and have since repented.
The Harry Mudd comment was made because I don’t want to see Khan and I’m a desperate man.

738. Harry Ballz - November 10, 2011

“Come, mw, come over to the dark side….”

(sorry, everyone, for the SW imagery)

739. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 10, 2011

They don’t call me Seymour Hiney in the mirror universe for nothin’.

740. Harry Ballz - November 10, 2011

In the mirror universe, wouldn’t that be Yenih Ruomyes?

C’mon, reflect on THAT!

741. ncm - November 10, 2011

Craiger @726; I only entered the blogosphere this year. No idea what I missed in the lead-up to Trek 2009. I knew nothing but what I’d read in reviews and seen in trailers before seeing the film. For better or worse, 2009 awakened my semi-dormant Trek enthusiasm – what to do with that enthusiasm, now!?

742. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 10, 2011

NCM. That picture of the “Ship of Fools” looks like something out of “Where The Wild Things Are” which, coincidentally, would apply to us as well.

743. AJ - November 10, 2011



I understand the English linguistic stuff. No worries.

I remember Bryan Singer did “Superman Returns” web diaries.

What is clear with Peter Jackson is that he is bringing willing fans right down into the nitty-gritty to where we get to watch Elijah Wood dressed as Frodo watching dailies. All we get here is 740 messages from people speculating about Ben Del Toro, who will probably, in the end, be this film’s equivalent of John Larroquete in TSFS.

744. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 10, 2011

So Harry, I googled Yenih Ruomyes and the lead heading read “Seymour is deceased.” Creepy. But I still don’t follow. Damn you Harry, it won’t translate. Norman Coordinate!

745. Bilderberg Group Trek Fan - November 10, 2011

I have a hunch Del Toro will be playing a Klingon.

746. Vultan - November 10, 2011


Del Toro as Chocolate Maltz?

747. Buzz Cagney - November 10, 2011

#730 not me Harry, I lost interest in this thread days ago. I only popped in to see if anybody had come to any decision as to whether he’s going to be a Klingon, Khan or just another Join the Dots villain.

748. AJ - November 11, 2011


“Del Toro as Chocolate Maltz?”

Do it! Do it! Do it!

749. AJ - November 11, 2011

Come to think of it, bring Larroquete back! He was pretty great as Maltz.

I stand as the 1% who wants John Larroquete in the new film!


750. Vultan - November 11, 2011


Larroquette was awesome in such a small part. Great voice—

“I DO NOT deserve to live.”
“Fine. I’ll kill ya later.”

751. Daniel craigs my wookie bitch now - November 11, 2011

721, I was talking about Trek XI, I was the projectionist who screened it for the L.A. premiere, as well as Star Trek Nemesis, Insurection and first contact which was the first movie premiere (trek or otherwise) i was projectionist on.

hopefully i’ll be the one who projects star trek XII but who knows i may be retired by the time it finally hits the screen lol

I just screened the premeiere of The Adventures of Tin Tin tonight

752. Daniel craigs my wookie bitch now - November 11, 2011

that would be the North American premiere of The Adventures of Tin Tin, the closing night of the AFI film fest

753. Harry Ballz - November 11, 2011


Huh, a BUZZ KILL, as always!


754. Aurore - November 11, 2011

“Thank you for proving all French people ARE rude!”

(………At least, he did not publicly humiliate me by referring to our …lack of… hygiene………Thank God!!! )

Mr. Ballz,

I apologize for my rudeness.
But, don’t be prone to generalizations; you’re obviously better than that!
*I AM* the one being rude, here.

Leave my people out of this.

Thank you.

755. Aurore - November 11, 2011

“The Harry Mudd comment was made because I don’t want to see Khan and…”


You’re definitely not in any kind of trouble, with me…so far…

756. Aurore - November 11, 2011

“I just didn’t want that bad egg Harry Ballz helping me to get into trouble here since I’ve changed my evil ways and have since repented.”

“Evil ways”…
Mmmmmm………I knew you had something to say, earlier….An interesting tale to tell, if you will…

Go ahead seymour; I’m LISTENING.


757. Captain Hackett - November 11, 2011

Star Trek movie in 2013

758. Aurore - November 11, 2011

….Yenih Ruomyes and Yrrah Zllab certainly are evil doers, in the mirror universe.

That’s a a well known fact.

759. Aurore - November 11, 2011

757. Captain Hackett – November 11, 2011
Star Trek movie in 2013
Thank you for the link.

760. Aurore - November 11, 2011

OK, Toto, Mr. Orci,

It’s apparently official now…You may come out from your hiding place, now.
I’m fine.


761. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 11, 2011

Interesting, no. Unfortunately my evil has been on display here for all to read. As for stories… I’ve had a few. Not many regrets though.

762. Aurore - November 11, 2011

” As for stories… I’ve had a few. ”

…..Yes……yes….that much is clear, Ruomyes.
‘Care to share some of them, or, at least, one of them? Please?
Unless, of course, something happened to your train of thought since you posted your comment in 761…

Hey!Stuff happens.

763. NuFan - November 11, 2011

2013 was always known. Denial doesn’t change anything, but I do want to award 500 extra denial points to the people who say it won’t be Khan. And 1000 extra denial points to the one who said he will play a Talosian.

764. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 11, 2011

Well there was the time I was driving cross-country and I hit an elk, and an animal rights type gal got out of her car and assaulted me…
Then the time I drove off a cliff in eastern Oregon and escaped without a scratch. And all those forest fires, and working in Italy on a dig, and the deserts of Utah, and the usual stories of growing up in NYC…
We’ll just have to save them for a more appropriate forum…

765. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 11, 2011

Your turn Aurore. :D

766. Aurore - November 11, 2011

Thank you for your reply, seymour.

“We’ll just have to save them for a more appropriate forum…”

Indeed ; if someone had asked me a question similar to the one I asked you , my (one-line )answer would have been; “We’ll just have to save them for another reality”.

I got lucky I guess…

767. Aurore - November 11, 2011

“Your turn Aurore. :D”

Oh! 766 “happened” while you were sending 765!


768. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 11, 2011

Aw, come on…

769. Aurore - November 11, 2011

Well, there was the time I … hit someone who had put their finger in my ice cream( I’m not speaking figuratively, here).

I’m so ashamed.

That’s one story.


770. Harry Ballz - November 11, 2011

#754. Aurore

“I AM the one being rude, here”

Well, the French cheese stands alone, eh?

“Leave my people out of this”

Many say THAT, in fact, is what Moses said to the Pharaoh!


771. Harry Ballz - November 11, 2011

“ice cream”??

Funny nickname for it!

772. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 11, 2011

Why did someone put their fingers in your “ice cream” and exactly what do you mean by “hit”?

773. Harry Ballz - November 11, 2011

When I think of ice cream, I think smooth, creamy………oh, wait.

774. Aurore - November 11, 2011

“Why did someone put their fingers in your ‘ice cream’ ”

Probably because they could. And, thought they would get away with it.

“…and exactly what do you mean by ‘hit’ “?

Something akin to what you had in mind when you said “…an animal rights type gal got out of her car and assaulted me…”


775. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 11, 2011

You have some strange customs in your part of the galaxy. I imagine he was the last to try that. Did you at least know him? If we ever assemble a raiding party to cross into the Neutral Zone I’m going to stick by you.

776. Red Dead Ryan - November 11, 2011

Boy, this thread sure has turned downbeat in a hurry.

777. Bill Lutz - November 11, 2011

Lord Darth Kang, Dark Lord of the Klingon Sith?

778. Craiger - November 11, 2011

NCM, you are so right the new fans Trek got with the 2009 will probably have lost their enthusiasm for Trek by the time the sequel comes out. The probably now think Paramount is passing on the sequel.

779. somethoughts - November 11, 2011

We are all fooled, its a Q type movie with benicio as trelane. Odds are someone named his character in this thread :)

780. Adolescent Nightmare - November 11, 2011


781. Bucky - November 11, 2011

Salt Vampire! The human form of Bones’ ex wife. Hell-o! Now that would open up a lot of dramatic potential.

Say it with me, people, like Tinkerbell we can make it reality if we say it all at once, “Benicio Del Toro will play McCoy’s Ex Wife”.

782. Craiger - November 11, 2011

Stewie Griffin as the villian!!

783. AJ - November 11, 2011

One thing’s for sure:

This is the longest talk-back thread Del Toro has EVER had. Anywhere.

784. AJ - November 11, 2011

Benicio Del Toro on the Colbert Report in 2009:

785. NCM - November 11, 2011

@757 Captain Hackett, thanks for the link.

786. Craiger - November 11, 2011

AJ now I not so sure if Del Toro is the right choice if he likes Che Guevara and is Guevara is one of his heroes.

787. Marc Henson - November 11, 2011

I think there should be a Star Trek villain that for once isn’t played by a human actor…maybe a completely CG character or a convincing puppet. There’s too many stinking humanoids in Star Trek! I wish the aliens looked more…well, alien. I like Star Trek better than Star Wars, by about a zillion lightyears, but the thing is, even I must admit the aliens in Star Wars are more alien looking….except for the fact there are aliens that look just like us and are also actually even referred to as humans that live in another galaxy years in the past…yeah, that doesn’t make sense to me either, nevertheless you know what I mean…the aliens are just more alien looking.

But anyway, I can see Del Toro being just about anybody. With makeup and costumes he could be who knows who. I can definitely see him as Khan…and I know a lot of people don’t like the idea that he may be, but I really don’t think it would be bad, considering that since this is the rebooted timeline, it doesn’t have to be a remake of “Space Seed.” They can do just about anything with him. He could be discovered by Vulcan refugees instead of the Enterprise. Who knows, I just thrown that out there.

But if he’s a Klingon I suppose that’s cool too. If he’s Kor that’d be awesome.

788. NCM - November 11, 2011

@784 AJ; Thanks for the link. Maybe we can entertain ourselves, here.

Now I definitely think Del Toro looks like a slightly fleshier, dark haired Brad Pitt; but I like him better.

789. MJ - November 11, 2011

Number of Trek articles on the past three days: 7

Number of Trek articles here the past three days: 0

Question for all — when will will know when it is time to bail on this site? When Anthony doesn’t show for another month? What is the end-game?

790. NCM - November 11, 2011


Craiger, Del Toro didn’t say he found Che heroic. He seemed to be trying to make the point that the movie is of interest, in part, because of historic relevance. Dicaprio’s playing Hoover, but he clearly doesn’t think Hoover was a hero.

In any case, love of the charismatic bad guy is as American as the hotdog (and if the dog originated in China, I don’t care to know it).

791. Aurore - November 11, 2011

“Did you at least know him?”


…I… expected a few questions about my ice cream.

The answer to your shocking question is… yes, to some extent ; we certainly got “acquainted”, in a special way, on that fateful day…

He seemed much more surprised,and, amused than hurt, by the way…
So no worries.


792. MJ - November 11, 2011

@790. Huh? What is a Craiger? I never commented on Che?

793. MJ - November 11, 2011

@787 “I think there should be a Star Trek villain that for once isn’t played by a human actor…maybe a completely CG character or a convincing puppet.”

Kirk: “Mr. Spock, I’d like you to meet our new Ensign who will be supporting you as a junior science officer. Mr. Binks, this is Commander Spock”

794. MJ - November 11, 2011

@791 WTF?

795. Phil - November 11, 2011

BDT as an antagionist is fine – NOT an evil Harry Mudd, NOT a gay Klingon, NOT a Horta, NOT Jar Jar, NOT a cloned Gary Mitchel, NOT a German Finney, NOT a rebel Romulan, just an antagionist, and I’ll trust the writers to create a complex character that keeps everyone guessing.

796. Aurore - November 11, 2011

“BDT as an antagionist is fine – NOT an evil Harry Mudd, NOT a gay Klingon, NOT a Horta, NOT Jar Jar, NOT a cloned Gary Mitchel, NOT a German Finney, NOT a rebel Romulan, just an antagionist, and I’ll trust the writers to create a complex character that keeps everyone guessing.”


797. Craiger - November 11, 2011

MJ I thought of something is Anthony married? If so maybe his wife had a baby and because of that he doesn’t have time for this site anymore? If so he should say that in a post that this site is done.

798. Craiger - November 11, 2011

Also Anthony maybe getting burnt out reporting Trek news. Gustavo over at Trekweb said that in a recent post and he was thinking about not reporting Trek news anymore.

799. Rusty0918 - November 11, 2011

#793 – Or Ensign Skids and Ensign Mudflap. Or worse. They walked a fine line with Keesner. I hope we don’t get any Jar Jar Binks crewmembers on the Enterprise in the sequel (or Skids/Mudflap).

#795 – I’d be VERY surprised if they do that.

800. Harry Ballz - November 11, 2011

800 posts about an average actor, who is being considered only because of concerns over foreign box office revenue. Sad. It sure would be nice if they cast an actor because of TALENT!

801. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 11, 2011

But why NOT an antagionist like an evil Harry Mudd who’s just a complex character that keeps everyone guessing? WHY NOT??????????????????

802. somethoughts - November 11, 2011


Have you seen Traffic, 21 Grams, Che or Wolfman?

I must admit Benicio will make a fine Klingon, Khan or Omnipotent being.

The last choice would be Decker or Gary Mitchell.

Star Trek WHERE None HAS GONE BEFORE 2013 May 9th
Captain Kirk worries when his friend, Gary Mitchell, is transformed by the galaxy’s edge into a powerful psionic being, endangering the ship, crew and beyond.

803. Phil - November 11, 2011

@800. You mean like harrison Ford or Tom Hanks?

804. Phil - November 11, 2011

@802. Here’s the ending…
Capt. Kirk has dashed into the radition room in engineering to fix the problem keeping the ship from going to warp. BDT, to prevent himself from dying from exposure, locks Kirk in the room and proclaims “the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many”. Spock, relieved that the rookie Captain can no longer make more stupid mistakes, promotes evil BDT Captain, launching a reign of terror across the galaxy.
Hey, how about that, a script! Lets fill in a few details and start filming!!

805. somethoughts - November 11, 2011


Shots of the Enterprise, iBridge, Beerginerring, panties, explosions, yelling, music, sound effects, reflective lighting and i think we got a winner.

Moral and ethical dilemma, shake spear heart warming speech then credits and bam $400million. Then you wait another 4 years for part 3 and wonder if Khan will be in the last film.

806. Phil - November 11, 2011

Ensign Khan will be in the third installment, on board the USS Plot Device. He’s going to get sucked through a hole in the hull defending the ship from an unproved attack by the USS Enterprise. It’s an important turn of events because his body slams into the Enterprise’s windshield, breaking it and sucking Spock to his doom….

807. somethoughts - November 11, 2011

Kirk shifts forward and backward through time and Benicio as Trelane gives Kirk a puzzle he must solve or else Troi and Worf would not be wandering the halls on the Enterprise D waiting for Picard to ask what’s the date, the date.

808. Admiral_BlackCat - November 11, 2011

They’re going to remake Catspaw! It all makes logical sense. BDT played a werewolf, so for STXII he’ll be a giant black cat that threatens the crew!

809. Daniel craigs my wookie bitch now - November 12, 2011

Speaking of Gary Mitchell/ retelling of where no man has gone before. one of the guests the other night at the premiere we hosted for” The Artist” was Sally Kellerman

810. Bilderberg Group Trek Fan - November 12, 2011

#800. Hairy Balls, yea, we get it, you don’t like Del Toro. Really, how many more posts do you need to get that point across? We get it, OK?

811. Harry Ballz - November 12, 2011


Just trying to stimulate a dialogue, BGTF. I’d be interested to see what others here think would be good casting to attract foreign box-office. Any thoughts yourself?

812. Bilderberg Group Trek Fan - November 12, 2011

Cate Blanchett, but I suppose you think she is overrated as well?

813. Vultan - November 12, 2011

Ken Watanabe.

814. Aurore - November 12, 2011

“Just trying to stimulate a dialogue…. I’d be interested to see what others here think would be good casting to attract foreign box-office. Any thoughts yourself?”

Tony Leung Chiu-Wai and/or Chow Yun-Fat.

815. Aurore - November 12, 2011

…Li Lianjie ( Jet Li ).

816. Harry Ballz - November 12, 2011


Not at all. Cate Blanchett is supremely talented. Please stop with the sarcastic tone.

817. Aurore - November 12, 2011

“801. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney – November 11, 2011
But why NOT an antagionist like an evil Harry Mudd who’s just a complex character that keeps everyone guessing? WHY NOT??????????????????”

You got me there.

I’m just prejudiced against Harry Mudd. “Sad” but true story.
Why not a totally NEW antagonist, WHY NOT?????????????????????????

818. somethoughts - November 12, 2011


The two leads in the original departed, infernal affairs.

Andy Lau and Tony Leung.

819. somethoughts - November 12, 2011



820. somethoughts - November 12, 2011

Tony Leung would have been my choice for Kor

821. Dee - lvs moon' surface - November 12, 2011

Anton Yelchin said:

“I have no idea what Benicio del Toro is playing. I read online, like everybody else, that he’s been having conversations with J.J. No idea what level that’s at. J.J. won’t even tell him what role it would be. That’s J.J.!”

“I would be honored to be on the same set with Benicio del Toro in ANY role. If that works out, it’ll be great.”


822. Craiger - November 12, 2011

These constant breaks stinks. Trekmovie stinks for news, Trekweb is the place to be now for Treknews. Then when someone comes back to pist a few articles no one ever asks them what’s going on. Anthony has really let this place go to crap. Anyone going to remove it from their bookmarks?

823. somethoughts - November 12, 2011


New antagonist like soran, ruafo, shinzon or nero?

824. somethoughts - November 12, 2011


What do you expect them to report on? What jj or boborci had for lunch and if the script is ready? Once they start shooting and script in hand, maybr we will get more news, until then buckle up and rock n roll

825. Craiger - November 12, 2011

#824 Well this is supposed to be the source for all Trek news not just on the sequel. Maybe their isn’t that much general Trek news anymore to report on? I guess general Trek news is news on old Trek and I sometimes wonder if I care about old Trek anymore?

826. Phil - November 12, 2011

There is no news on any site, just speculation – no script, no greenlight, no schedule, no release date.

827. Aurore - November 12, 2011


New antagonist like soran, ruafo, shinzon or nero?

By new antagonist, I meant someone (we) I have not seen before.

Someone I would have trouble comparing to Soran, Ru’afo, (Shinzon)* or Nero, that is to say, an antagonist I would actually “fear”.

I liked Nero’s character, but, after what occured in the opening act, with Robau, I must admit that, I did not take him too seriously. Moreover, I thought that, despite the horrific nature of the crimes he perpetrated, our beloved crew had it too easy with him , so to speak.

Therefore, in the sequel, If there is to be an antagonist , I would like to read fear,and, maybe, despair,hopelessness, on James Tiberius Kirk’s face, at least at some point in the story . I want to experience something similar to what I felt, as a child, when I believed that, for the first time, an old American movie would let me down, with regards to its expected happy ending, as I watched the very last minutes of North By Northwest.

*In my opinion, Malcom McDowell’s talent was wasted in Generations. The same could be said about Frank Murray Abraham in Insurrection.

I never saw Nemesis.

828. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 12, 2011

Aurore, I’m fine with that, and I get it. Mudd’s not my favorite either and that question wasn’t directed at you. It just seemed like the rant I was referring to was a bit …adament. And I hadn’t even brought up the role of the “gay klingon” yet.

In the spirit of dialogue, who are some of your favorite actors Harry? I am curious since I’ve considered my standards somewhat high…but maybe not.

829. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 12, 2011

Besides Aurore, I don’t want no trouble.

830. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 12, 2011

I too am hoping for a new antagonist. I want the stories to continue, not to serve as some nostalgic romp, rehashed in some new way. Just seeing our old heroes will accomplish enough of that. Let’s see what’s out there.

831. Phil - November 12, 2011

Soran, Ruafo, Shinzon and Nero were lightweight villians. What they lacked in gravitas they compensated for with technology they thought gave them an edge. Then it just became a question of how they were going to be blown up. There really wasn’t anything about these guys that caused our heros any concern, generated any fear, self doubt, or created any reason for the audience to care about the outcome of the story. If I have a criticism of Trek 11, the writers really didn’t set up a story that caused us to wonder about the inevitible outcome, or to even care that much about the characters. They absolutely have to do that this time, or the franchise becomes self parody, again.

832. somethoughts - November 12, 2011


I can hear boborci saying, its not about the villain :)

I do fantasize about a true joker type maniac causing problems for star fleet, heath ledger as a frozen joker from earths past would be awesome.

I would like to see the huge size and scope of starfleet where you feel lost and immersed in. Lets see some of that amazing technolgy, flying cars, hoverboards, mag rails, smart clothes. The opening battle sequence in first contact was ok but could have been larger and more grand.

833. NCM - November 12, 2011

830. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney – November 12, 2011

“…new antagonist. I want the stories to continue, not to serve as some nostalgic romp, rehashed in some new way. Just seeing our old heroes will accomplish enough of that. Let’s see what’s out there.”

Oh, well said, seymour!

Nevertheless, they’re obviously committed to whatever they’ve undertaken, so all that’s left, now, is execution. Let’s hope they can wow us with whatever choices have been made – before a significant number of us are laid to rest.

834. somethoughts - November 12, 2011


Yea I agree, out of the bunch the worst had to be ruafo and the whole fight scene at the end of the movie with the aging picard vs villain became comical. They changed what made TNG awesome into this picard and data thing where picard fist fights the villain at the end.

835. Red Dead Ryan - November 12, 2011

Good lord, I hope the sequel DOES NOT feature the stupid Harry Mudd character!

He’s the worst character from TOS.

I been hoping that we’d see either the Gorn, or the Tholians, but it appears its going to be seeing the damn Klingons again!

Four years between films, and the rumors are that the villains are going to be Klingons…..AGAIN!!

836. Red Dead Ryan - November 12, 2011



837. somethoughts - November 12, 2011


Hopefully it would be the intelligent mexican looking klingons from tos not the stupid viking klingons in tmp and tng

838. Vultan - November 12, 2011

Mexican Klingons?
Ay caramba!

839. Harry Ballz - November 12, 2011


mw, first of all, to be perfectly clear, I DON’T WANT A VILLAIN in the next movie. I much prefer a Star Trek story where our heroes are fighting a CIRCUMSTANCE, a la Doomsday Machine or Immunity Syndrome. Much more interesting.

But, if there must be a villain, then get an acting giant for talent. I’ll give you two names as an example, neither can do it because one is too old now, the other is busy doing a Spielberg film…….Anthony Hopkins and Daniel Day-Lewis.
Think back to the TALENT AND CHARISMA both men showed in Silence of the Lambs and No Country For Old Men. Brilliant!

The producers should hunt high and low for actors of that ability. Not just average actors who have enjoyed some lucky breaks at the box-office!

It’s too bad common sense isn’t so COMMON in Hollywood!

840. dmduncan - November 12, 2011

827: “*In my opinion, Malcom McDowell’s talent was wasted in Generations.”

In my opinion, Malcolm McDowell’s talent was wasted.

And I loved the character of Harry Mudd; nice to see there’s still pirates in the 23rd century. But I don’t see Harry as a lead “bad” guy. He’s just an interesting character in the Star Trek universe and not, as I see it, a real source of epic conflict, because Harry is a likeable rogue who just isn’t that bad.

841. dmduncan - November 12, 2011

839: “.Anthony Hopkins and Daniel Day-Lewis.
Think back to the TALENT AND CHARISMA both men showed in Silence of the Lambs and No Country For Old Men. Brilliant!”

Daniel Day Lewis was in No Country For Old Men? Did I run to the rest room during that scene?

842. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 12, 2011

Phil – Are you doing some sort of trolling? There is a script/story (words are interchangeable according to Bob Orci), it was greenlit by the big boys (Paramount) in February 2011. Without a proper script, there cannot be official pre-production taking place because no one would know what props and models to make, sets to build, costumes to design and make, what kind of locations to scout for – all the sorts of things that are going on now and all of which takes real money to do.

Bob Orci spoke about “soft-prep” and that, I believe, was about drawing various draft designs for Starfleet and alien ships, simple models of aliens species, designs for various parts of the Enterprise we have not seen yet, like captain’s quarters, different kinds of clothing/costumes etc…
It is quite possible that some of these ideas were just awaiting the director’s approval, before they could go ahead and make the “real thing”.

I wish that JJ Abrams and co were more like Peter Jackson in the way they approach film making and fans, but they are not the same people. They also live in different parts of the world, English speaking, but with different cultures notwithstanding. However, it would be nice, even courteous, if one of the Bad Robot team did tell some things that, by now, would be a certain for the sequel.

BTW, I do not know everything and I have no wish to appear superior, which is what one poster said I did and commented on how they hated my “ramblings”, “nonsense” etc. What I wrote above comes from my interpretation of events so far told to me by *reliable* media reports and Bob Orci himself, sort of common sense stuff really. Perhaps I have things wrong, but that would be due to the fact that not all the facts have been presented to me.

843. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 12, 2011

Right on NCM. Right on.

somethoughts, I think the intelligent Klingons were supposed to resemble Genghis Kahn, not Pancho Villa.

844. dmduncan - November 12, 2011

Christopher Plummer was great as Chang. It does make a difference when you have an actor that imagines a depth of reality to the character that the script may not necessarily speak about.

That said, I can’t really knock Del Toro’s work because I’ve never thought he stunk in anything I saw. I’ve never seen anything he was in and thought he was the problem with the movie, so I can’t say he’s a bad fit for Star Trek, especially without knowing what role he is being considered for.

I don’t really see him as Khan. I don’t think you can beat a good Indian actor in the role of Khan to complete the authenticity of the role, but if you absolutely for whatever reason are not going to go that route (and that may be JJ’s call), then I don’t think anyone is better right now at playing charismatic villains than Mark Strong, which is ironic given that it’s a relatively new image for him, since he had played romantic leads for most of his career.

But again, the question is who did the director see in mystery role X when he read the script? Benicio Del Toro, apparently.

So, let’s hope it’s for a role that he fits better than Khan.

845. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 12, 2011

Harry, I agree. I really don’t want there to be some big bad villain in the movie. I would rather there be a natural cosmically occurring adversary that has almost everyone on the hop, including the Klingons. Maybe the Klingons under the command of Kang (Del Toro) start out as “villains” but when they realise that occurrences were not Starfleet’s doing, stop being the enemy, at least for now…hence my scene with Kirk having to eat garghh as a way of proving to them that he is not the aggressor here. What do Klingons need to do to prove their non-aggressiveness and also “lift the tapu”?

Google – nz tapu.

846. dmduncan - November 12, 2011

And also, JJ is not the sort of Star Trek fan that we are, so things like who fits a given role better may not make the same sort of sense to him that it makes to us, because he’s not as IN to Star Trek as we are. He’s navigating by what he wants to see as a filmmaker who is also being guided by ONE HUGE FAN in particular, but even so his decisions are not necessarily going to track with the fans’ own reasons for wanting a, b, or c.

847. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 12, 2011

Yeah Harry I’m with you. I don’t want a villain per se either. I’m holding out hope that by adversary, they are leaning for a character this isn’t necessarily “bad.”. Perhaps there is an understandable conflict of interest. As for Mudd, I agree with dmduncan that he would most likely be a secondary nuisance. There’s just not enough there and it’d be a stretch.
Malcom McDowell was a good pick. So was Eric Bana. Both were poorly executed. I hope Del Toro wouldn’t suffer the same fate.

Both of those would be formidable foes Harry.

848. Harry Ballz - November 12, 2011


dmduncan, you’re right! Brainfart! I meant Daniel Day-Lewis’s brilliant and powerful performance in There Will Be Blood.

Thanks for pointing that out, ya &*#$@&!!


849. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 12, 2011

That’s too funny. I knew what you meant. I was never good at paying attention.

850. Harry Ballz - November 12, 2011


I’m sorry, I missed that! what were you saying again?

851. dmduncan - November 12, 2011

848: “Thanks for pointing that out, ya &*#$@&!!”


852. NCM - November 12, 2011

Harry @839 and everywhere else:]


Ralph Nathaniel Twisleton-Wykeham-Fiennes – And he’s Brit-born!

He’s got huge talent – even if it may be obscured by the Voldemort mask (not sure; not a HP fan).

Remember Schindler’s List, The English Patient, Constant Gardener? Who’s doling out the points and how many do I get?

853. Harry Ballz - November 12, 2011


funny thing, about 5 years ago, I stood next to Ralph Fiennes outside a Starbucks in Yorkville. He was attending the Toronto International Film Festival. A couple of fans (older couple) were chatting with him. Nobody else was around at the time. He was very polite and cordial with them. Seemed like a nice guy.

854. Bilderberg Group Trek Fan - November 12, 2011

Take away “A Clockwork Orange” and McDowell has had at best, a steady if unspectacular career. He’s overrated.

855. NCM - November 12, 2011

Nice story, Harry, but is that all ya got? I thought I’d scored! You were prompting us to come up with someone who’s an excellent actor, who might also be a draw for our friends across the pond. I was up all night working on the assignment. If 853 is your polite way of saying you don’t even find Fiennes up to the task, I appreciate your return to the light side, but… really?:}

856. Bilderberg Group Trek Fan - November 12, 2011

#813. Yes, Ken Watanabe would be outstanding.

857. Bilderberg Group Trek Fan - November 12, 2011

#816. Sorry Hairy Balls for the use of sarcasm. Of course I have not seen any evidence whatsoever in any of your entries on this website that employ sarcasm. ;-0

858. NCM - November 12, 2011

@857: Hmm. “Hairy Balls.” Guess you’re uppin’ the ante, Buildabridge. Can’t say that you’re not entitled, but, paraphrasing Rodney King, ‘Can’t we all just get along?:{ This is what happens when we’re left adrift too long. We start chewin’ on each other.

859. Harry Ballz - November 12, 2011


He’d be ok


You got that right, muchacho! :>)

p.s. it’s HARRY BALLZ! I hate it when people get the spelling wrong!

860. Vultan - November 12, 2011


Yep. Watanabe has the gravitas for a Trek adventure—good guy, bad guy, or a little of both—doesn’t matter. He can play it.

861. Vultan - November 12, 2011

He was great in Letters from Iwo Jima and made The Last Samurai bearable to watch. Tom Cruise in 19th century Japan. Ugh.

862. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 12, 2011

850. Huh… Now I don’t remember.

863. Aurore - November 12, 2011

830. seymour.

“I too am hoping for a new antagonist. I want the stories to continue, not to serve as some nostalgic romp, rehashed in some new way. Just seeing our old heroes will accomplish enough of that. Let’s see what’s out there.”

‘Love your comment.

832.”I do fantasize about a true joker type maniac causing problems for star fleet, heath ledger as a frozen joker from earths past would be awesome.”

If this comes to pass, get ready for the inevitable “JJ Abrams is a Star Wars/ Batman fan” comments, then.

“I would like to see the huge size and scope of starfleet where you feel lost and immersed in. Lets see some of that amazing technolgy, flying cars, hoverboards, mag rails, smart clothes.”


840. dmduncan.

“But I don’t see Harry as a lead “bad” guy. He’s just an interesting character in the Star Trek universe and not, as I see it, a real source of epic conflict, because Harry is a likeable rogue who just isn’t that bad.”

Yes, sir!

864. Jefferies Tuber - November 12, 2011

BDT is many things, but he is not a genetically-engineered superman. He fits with the Mongolian-influenced Klingons from TOS and STO9.

865. Harry Ballz - November 12, 2011

840. “Harry is a likeable rogue who just isn’t that bad”

Aw, thanks!


866. Harry Ballz - November 12, 2011

Zoe Saldana just broke up with her fiance. They were together 11 years. Gee, an actor, who finally makes it big, breaks up with the partner who was with them through thick and thin all these years. Huh! Typical!

I think Saldana is starting to believe her own publicity.

She should take a look in a mirror…….she ain’t that hot!

867. somethoughts - November 12, 2011


We don’t know all the details, I would like to give her the benefit of the doubt, maybe he cheated on her or simply wasn’t happy.

868. Harry Ballz - November 12, 2011

Maybe……..or, she has an ego the size of Chicago, like every other actor in Hollywood.

869. MJ - November 12, 2011

@861 “He was great in Letters from Iwo Jima and made The Last Samurai bearable to watch. Tom Cruise in 19th century Japan. Ugh.”

Good god, man, you are sounding like Red Dead Ryan? :-) What’s next, Julia Roberts slams? Haters gonna hate, eh? LOL :-))

870. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 12, 2011

Maybe he was jealous of Zoe’s success and she could not take it anymore. That also happens. Some men find it hard not to be the main “breadwinner”, not to be in the lead most of the time. Just don’t know. It’s all a bit sad really.

871. Craiger - November 12, 2011

Harry what actresses do consider hot and have talent?

872. MJ - November 12, 2011

@866. Yes, she’s that hot. What crack are you smoking up there in Toronto this weekend? Del Toro sucks? Zoe’s a jerk and is not hot?

Did your dog die or something???

873. MJ - November 12, 2011

@870. Did it ever occur to any of you that when people are together for 11 years and don’t get married, that THERE IS A REASON FOR THAT??? LOL

874. MJ - November 12, 2011

@868. When has she ever shown that? You are making this all up? It’s like like Shat, who we have 4 decades of recorded evidence that he is an egotistical jerk. Why pick on Zoe…becuase she broke up with her boyfriend for reasons completely unknown and private?????????????

875. dmduncan - November 12, 2011

Or maybe they broke up because they were together 10 years before he proposed to her, and setting a date made them both realize that they didn’t really want to marry each other, so it was time to move on.

876. Aurore - November 12, 2011

Mr. Ballz,

Always complaining, eh?
(posts 1 , 11& 29)

Fear not, sir, for there is ACTUALLY something worth reading in 15 :


877. Harry Ballz - November 12, 2011

Okay, okay, I take it all back! Zoe Saldana is sweetness and light personified, alright??

She can do no wrong! Her poo doesn’t stink! She can walk on friggin’ water!


878. Adolescent Nightmare - November 12, 2011

Only his friends can call him Ben. The rest of you may address him as


879. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 12, 2011

I don’t know, but since when is marrage the answer?

880. Harry Ballz - November 12, 2011

I stand by what I said at post #839. If there is a villain to the next movie, cast an actor with great acting chops and buckets of charisma. Someone who jumps off the screen and grabs you by the throat. Not one of these flash-in-the-pan mumbling method actors, who constantly look down at their shoes and appear embarrased to be in the frickin’ film! Great acting has always been someone a bit larger than life with that special “something” that the camera picks up. Very few actors in Hollywood have it.

We’re not looking for a “reasonably good” actor, we want a SPECTACULAR ONE!

881. Harry Ballz - November 12, 2011


Marriage isn’t a word, it’s a sentence!

882. DeShonn Steinblatt - November 12, 2011


I think you mean Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Emphasis on the vowel.

883. Vultan - November 12, 2011


MJ, I just didn’t like Cruise in that movie. He seemed miscast to me. A little too slick and modern for that era. It felt like he was there just to attract a Western audience, because Watanabe could’ve easily carried the movie himself.

I liked Cruise in a lot of other movies—Top Gun, Rain Man, Mission: Impossible, Collateral, Valkyrie, etc., etc.

No hate here. Same goes for Julia Roberts. I don’t think she and Cruise are the greatest actors in the world, but they’re good enough (for me) on most occasions.

884. Craiger - November 12, 2011

Schwarzenegger or Bruce Willis.

885. somethoughts - November 12, 2011


Kevin Spacey as a azzhole admiral or vulcan would work.

886. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 12, 2011

“Marriage isn’t a word, it’s a sentence!”

Yeah but you can get out early for bad behavior.

887. Aurore - November 12, 2011

“She can do no wrong! Her poo doesn’t stink! She can walk on friggin’ water!”

…….She can also part the waters and multiply bread, sir, don’t you EVAH forget it!!!


888. Harry Ballz - November 12, 2011


And you wondered why I wanted to crucify her??!!

889. MJ - November 12, 2011

@877. Nobody is saying that, Harry. Maybe just stop making up and conjecturing stuff about her when you have no info to go on, that’s all I’m saying. It’s not like Shat, where you and I both have solid evidence that he’s a jerk. Where is your evidence that she was mean to this guy?

890. MJ - November 12, 2011

@888. Sheesh, please go back to your confusing ice cream remarks…at least those were somewhat funny.

891. MJ - November 12, 2011

meant @887

892. Aurore - November 12, 2011

@888. Sheesh, please go back to your confusing ice cream remarks…at least those were somewhat funny.

I did not agree with Mr. Ballz, and, was playfully mocking him.
He understood that.

My ice cream remarks were only confusing to you because they were destined to another poster.

893. MJ - November 12, 2011

Ah, it is all clear to me now…thanks. ;-)

894. Aurore - November 12, 2011

“Ah, it is all clear to me now…thanks. ;-)”

Do not mention it!


895. MJ - November 12, 2011

Is this what it comes down to, folks…we are so bored out of our wits with no new Trek news on this once great, but now mediocre and fading website that we are now making up stuff just to keep the conversation going?

896. somethoughts - November 12, 2011

Apple pie, that is all.

897. Aurore - November 12, 2011

Ice cream, THAT is all.


898. Craiger - November 12, 2011

MJ makes me wonder if the current sequel is actually introuble because this site doesn’t have any current Trek news. Maybe Anthony knows something we don’t? I wonder Paramount has given up on Trek possibly because they are having trouble with the story? Or the current people incharge got great success with the reboot that they are currently in high demand for other projects that they don’t have time for Trek anymore? Or that Trek is expensive to make in this economy?

899. Harry Ballz - November 12, 2011

You know the best part with ice cream? Just as it’s starting to melt, you keep licking it all up until it’s finished!

Anybody got a cigarette?


900. Craiger - November 12, 2011

Well their is Android Ice Cream Sandwich coming out soon for Phones and Tablets.

901. Aurore - November 12, 2011

…Apple pie with ice cream on top…..

902. Harry Ballz - November 12, 2011

I don’t mind being on bottom.

903. Craiger - November 12, 2011

This thread will make 1,000 posts soon. Strange chatting a dead site like MJ said.

MJ, this site was popular once. I guess Anthony thinks he still has loyal followers of this site that they will stick with him even during long breaks and he doesn’t have to worry about site traffic?

904. Aurore - November 12, 2011

“I don’t mind being on bottom.”


905. Craiger - November 12, 2011

I want to be post number 1,000. LOL.

906. somethoughts - November 12, 2011


Lol pancho villa, maybe taco bell can have a tos mexican klingon combo special.

I recall the tos klingons were due to lack of budget having to use shoe polish and drapes and were written as usa russian allegory and had a hint of asian influence. Klingons became the main tos adversery simply due to budget as romulan and vulcan makeup was costly and time consuming.

If boborci and company are rebooting the klingons, that would be awesome.

907. MJ - November 12, 2011

Enough with the Ice Cream shit.

No, don’t go there please, Harry.

908. MJ - November 12, 2011

@906. If the are rebooting the Klingons, I hope they start over from those cheesy Klingons that were shown in deleted scenes on the Trek 09 blu-ray. Those Klingon’s stunk.

909. MJ - November 12, 2011

@898 “MJ makes me wonder if the current sequel is actually introuble because this site doesn’t have any current Trek news. Maybe Anthony knows something we don’t?”

How about we all face reality. This site is on autopilot, as Anthony has pretty much checked out for personal reasons or whatever, but it too chickenshit to be straight with us all about it.

910. Harry Ballz - November 12, 2011


I scream, you scream, we all scream for…….ah, never mind!

Hey, is tomorrow Sundae?

(runs and hides)

911. somethoughts - November 12, 2011


This but with twin blades of energy and teleportation/cloaking abilities.

The twin blades are designed like this, with Benicio in Wolf Form

Here is Benicio in Klingon form with full armor

912. JP - November 12, 2011

From MJ in post 909:

“How about we all face reality. This site is on autopilot, as Anthony has pretty much checked out for personal reasons or whatever, but it too chickenshit to be straight with us all about it.”

Or maybe he’s too busy with his personal stuff to worry about a website right now. MJ, lets say you had a family member pass away. How important would updating your website be after that? If Anthony has checked out for personal reasons, how about we give him the space and the respect to deal with his personal situation. And then when he’s ready to come back we wish him well and show him a little gratitude for his years of service running this site.

913. MJ - November 13, 2011

You may be new to the site. Anthony has pulled his “weeks-long disappearing act” now time and time again since December of last year. The days of cutting him slack are long gone from my point of view. All I am am asking is for him to give us some direct communication just stating that this site is now a part time thing for him and is no longer the source for info on the new movie…because we all know that except for some Bob Orci intermittent appearances (which tend to focus on everything but Trek), this site is no longer all that topical.

Actually, I really wish Anthony responded here by scolding me and punishing me with a week-long banishment from posting, as that would show me that he was still paying attention and THAT HE ACTUALLY GAVE A SHIT about this site still. :-(

914. JP - November 13, 2011

I don’t think he owes us any explanation. I think he deserves his privacy. I’ve been coming here since the site started out of my own free will and continue to do so. Nobody is twisting our arms to come here. And hence I don’t feel I’m owed an explanation if the site runner decides to walk away. Would it be nice? Yes. But required? No.

Unless I was paying to access the site, I don’t see any reason to be upset if the creator decides to take a sabbatical. It takes all of 10 seconds to come to the site, see there’s no new news, and move on to something else. I don’t understand your sense of entitlement…

915. MJ - November 13, 2011

The top of this web site says:


If this is your web site, and you are going to proclaim that on the top of your main page, and you are going to charge advertisers for space here, then you need to deliver if you are to maintain any credibility for Trek fans and advertisers alike to believe that you are the best source for new Trek news.

As I mentioned above, this is not just one sabbatical…this is multiple times now that the creator of the site proclaiming “THE SOURCE FOR EVERYTHING NEW IN TREK” has gone AWOL

Yes, I would like an explanation. Otherwise I would request the header of this site be changed to more correctly read:


Like I said, I would be super-happy if Anthony read my post here and responded to me by kicking my virtual ass….that would be welcome, as it would show he cared and wanted to continue this once great web site that we all loved, and that now we miss and grieve for a return to its glory days.

916. JP - November 13, 2011

Hypothetical situation: Lets say Anthony was going through a long painful divorce. Or lets say back in December he was diagnosed with cancer or some other life threatening disease. That would certainly account for his long and repeated absences. And if one of those things were going on I don’t think its yours or mine or anybody else’s business. As far as I’m concerned he’s well within his right to keep those matters private. Neither you nor I have any right to that information. At the end of the day its just a website. Put that up against a man’s life and the website starts to feel pretty trivial. Have you tried considering it from that perspective?

917. Basement Blogger - November 13, 2011

MJ, let me say I appreciate you inviting Anthony P. to kick your virtual ass. I hope Anthony is okay. But my friend and fellow Trekkers, let’s just hang out until the the U.S.S. Trekmovie’s warp core breaches and goes critical. There are some people still manning the ship. Kayla. Rosario.

Call me a big ass kisser. Yeah. I liked Star Trek (2009) but was critical of it. And I admit I like almost all Star Trek. Exceptions? Star Trek V. TOS “Spock’s Brain” which I like watching for comedy. But I like Star Trek and that includes Rick Berman’s Star Trek. Sue me.

With all my problems and the world’s problems, I’m going to sleep and dream of a world created by Gene Roddenberry. Yeah, I know he’ s just a man. But I like the thought that money ain’t important and there’s something like Starfleet exploring strange new worlds and new civilizations. BOLDLY GO TREKKERS.

918. Garak - November 13, 2011

I understand that trekkers are anxious for news about star trek 2, but we know that keeping an important site like this is hard. We all have our personal problems, work, family. No one gains anything by doing that, just have the pleasure to publish news about what we like for people who appreciate the same. I’m sure Anthony is a trekker far as we are and he has a personal commitment (not professional) to publish news for all fans. This is just entertainment. Although he has problems to solve, I’m sure he will be present with news. After all, we don´t have anything important right now.

919. Craiger - November 13, 2011

I am with MJ. I wouldn’t blame Anthony if he has some family issues or other projects going on and doesn’t have to time for this site anymore,or he is burnt out on reporting Trek news, he should at least post an article on it. Post something like “Do to other commitments he no longer has time to run this site and it will be shutting down, thank you for you support over the years.” Without us loyal followers of this blog their wouldn’t be any Anthony wouldn’t have gotten his contacts at Paramount, Also like MJ said this is supposed to be “The Source For Everything New In Trek.” I think it would be common courtesy to let us know if we should even come here anymore and delete this blog from our bookmarks.

920. Craiger - November 13, 2011

Gustavo over Trekweb even did that, he posted a message on Trekweb’s forum that he is not sure he wants to continue with Trekweb after the sequel because he is getting burnt out reporting Trek news. He said he could change his mind but still wasn’t sure about reporting Trek news anymore.

921. Aurore - November 13, 2011

771. Harry Ballz – November 11, 2011
“ice cream”??

Funny nickname for it!
I missed that comment.

Mr. Ballz, you remember the part when I said that I wasn’t speaking figuratively in 769?
It meant that it was REAL ice cream:

( I would not want you to be confused…)

922. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 13, 2011

My grandmother used to make her own homemade icecream – full cream, sugar…

923. MJ - November 13, 2011

@921 “Gustavo over Trekweb even did that, he posted a message on Trekweb’s forum that he is not sure he wants to continue with Trekweb after the sequel because he is getting burnt out reporting Trek news. He said he could change his mind but still wasn’t sure about reporting Trek news anymore.”

EXACTLY Craiger. Gustavo behaved like A MAN in doing that. It is common courtesy, and the sign of a mature individual.

924. Gary S. - November 13, 2011

Are you suggesting that Anthony is not handling this in a mature way ?

925. Gary S. - November 13, 2011

#914 Maybe Anthony doesnt want to close the site .
Hence , no such statement .

926. NCM - November 13, 2011

No one’s owed an explanation: No one’s obligated to use a tissue or to open a door for another, either. These are matters of respect and courtesy.

As someone pointed out, it takes seconds to check and see there’s no news on the site: It would take seconds to post something saying; ‘Taking time off, but plan to maintain site and periodically post material,’ or “Life is intervening; no desire to discuss, but haven’t given up on site,” or “It’s been fun, but I’m done. Please play elsewhere.”

927. Red Dead Ryan - November 13, 2011

I thought MJ was going to refrain from criticising Anthony. I thought that he finally accepted that long absences were now part of the deal here at this site. But now he’s gone back to whining and bitching, and calling out Anthony!

And I think I might have to agree with Harry Ballz about Zoe Saldana. I did like her at first, but she seems to have developed a big ego since the first movie. Statements about how she’d like to “get it on” with Spock in the sequel, kick guys in the balls, and make Uhura into an action heroine go against what the character was in the original series and movies. She’s a communications officer!

Saldana really needs to go back to watching the original series to get what the character is supposed to be about!

928. Craiger - November 13, 2011

I thought one of the reasons Anthony created this site is to let Trek fans have access to the people who were incharge of old and new Trek? That is what makes this site so special is that the Trek fans can chat with the people incharge of former and current Trek. If Anthony doesn’t keep this site up the people incharge of old and new Trek wont post here anymore because they might think Anthony has abandonded this site and doesn’t care about it anymore. I think think this site is the one except were it would be expected to be maintained and updated all the time.

929. Harry Ballz - November 13, 2011


Thanks, Ryan!

930. Craiger - November 13, 2011


931. Harry Ballz - November 13, 2011


Yes, Craiger, I’ve already seen that trailer…..AND I DON’T CARE! The popularity of Star Trek over the years is in no small part because of the relationship of Kirk-Spock-McCoy. Like a BLT. Classic! You take out the Tomato, replace it with Rhubarb, and what do you have? CRAP!

Don’t f*ck with what works!

932. somethoughts - November 13, 2011

Has Benicio signed yet with JJ? Anyone know?

933. Craiger - November 13, 2011

Harry I think we had the start of the Kirk-McCoy-Spock relationship in the reboot with at least Kirk-McCoy in these scenes.

934. DC - November 13, 2011

Benicio Del Toro is an inspired choice.

Hopefully they won’t make a mockery of Khan, if Khan is to be the villan of course, but Benicio Del Toro is a fantastic choice FOR a villain. It’s safe to say I’ll be going to see this movie.

935. somethoughts - November 13, 2011

I think it’s safe to say anyone posting here on this site will see the movie :)

936. The Last Vulcan - November 13, 2011

I’m here on a Sunday evening, watching the pile of money on my desk which I have repeatedly offered to buy this site outright from Anthony, and still waiting for a response… sigh… :)

937. Craiger - November 13, 2011

AirlockAlpha report on the movie. Paramount confirms Star Trek sequel in 2013.

938. MJ - November 13, 2011

@938 “AirlockAlpha report on the movie. Paramount confirms Star Trek sequel in 2013.”

Cool. So AirlockAlpha is like the source for everything new in Trek. :-)

@928. Tom Cruise. whoo hoo, hoohoo, hoo, hoo
Julia Roberts. whoo hoo, hoohoo, hoo, hoo

939. Craiger - November 13, 2011

Acutally Trekweb provided the link. :)

940. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 13, 2011

906. You’re right. The Kingons represented the Soviets and the uneasy peace and occasional skirmishes, the cold war. Their appearence however was not Russian but more represenative of the Mongol Hordes. As evidence: the darker skin color, straight black hair, leather strapped clothing and Fu Manchu facial hair. :ID

…Did someone mention ice cream??

941. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - November 13, 2011

And Mongolia was seen as part of the Soviet sphere of Influence. Mexico, not so much.

942. Vultan - November 13, 2011


I like your Daffy Duck impression, MJ.


943. freezejeans - November 13, 2011

1,000 comments or bust! Has this ever been achieved here? Been visiting since it was started, but don’t remember this many comments on a post. Awesome :D

944. MJ - November 13, 2011


945. Harry Ballz - November 13, 2011


Yes, we’ve shot past 1000 posts a few times, but it’s rare. Let’s do this thing!

946. Basement Blogger - November 13, 2011

I understand why Zoe Saldana would want a more action packed Uhura and see her get it on with Spock. Women’s roles have changed since the sixties. There’s more equality. And it might help with the woman demographic for a more active role for Uhura. That’s not art but hey, Star Trek has to make money. The more money Star Trek makes the more Star Trek.

But with an expanded role for Uhura, will we lose more Dr. McCoy? I think most fans want more McCoy. He gets the funniest lines. He’s part of the Kirk-Spock-McCoy troika. And I agree with his bleeding heart idealism even if he loses the argument. I hope the Supreme Court finds a way for more McCoy if they increase Uhura’s role.

947. Basement Blogger - November 13, 2011

@ 943

We’ve gone way past that on the record setting thread. LINK. It now sits at 2338 posts with Harry Ballz and Commodore Mike playing with each other. I know Harry wants that thread for his personal man cave posting site. But Harry, no one goes over there anyway.

But I say on December 17, 2011, we all go over there to celebrate the one year anniversary. After all, we did that because Anthony P. took an extended vacation, just like he’s done this month. I hope it’s a vacation. Because we all wish Anthony P. well.

948. Vultan - November 13, 2011


(Ah, that takes me back. Glorious Saturday mornings…)

949. Harry Ballz - November 14, 2011


Fine, let everyone in! See if I care! :>)

950. Aurore - November 14, 2011

“…Did someone mention ice cream??”

……….A cause worth fighting for…..

951. Harry Ballz - November 14, 2011


Me likey!

952. Aurore - November 14, 2011

“Me likey!”

Stay away from that…. um… picture if you want to live…


953. Harry Ballz - November 14, 2011

Wow, you just made my banana split!

954. Aurore - November 14, 2011

“Wow, you just made my banana split!”

Sheesh, please go back to your Zoë Saldaña remarks, at least, those were somewhat…less confusing…with all due respect, sir.


955. Scioto - November 14, 2011


956. Craiger - November 14, 2011

Harry check out what happens at 4:04.

957. Hugh Hoyland - November 14, 2011

I’m wondering iF Del Toro would play a better Kang or Khan, hmmm. :]

958. somethoughts - November 14, 2011

Maybe khan genetically alters klingons to give them their ridged foreheads and brute strength

959. Harry Ballz - November 14, 2011



960. DS9 IN PRIME TIME - November 14, 2011

I need more news… this going away for weeks at a time kills me!

961. rm10019 - November 14, 2011


962. Craiger - November 14, 2011

963. Aurore - November 14, 2011

Correction . 863.

I should have edited two quotes differently :

832.”I do fantasize about a true joker type maniac causing problems for star fleet,… ”

If this comes to pass, get ready for the inevitable “JJ Abrams is a Star Wars/ Batman fan” comments, then.

And :

840. dmduncan.

“But I don’t see Harry as a lead ‘bad’ guy. He’s just an interesting character in the Star Trek universe and not, as I see it, a real source of epic conflict, because Harry is a… rogue who just isn’t that bad.”

Yes, sir!

If Harry Mudd makes it into the sequel, hopefully, he’ll be written as a character I’ll find likeable.

For now, I only agree that, he is a rogue who is not that bad.
Prejudiced Trekker gonna be prejudiced…against “poor” Harry Mudd….

Undoubtedly, but, understand that, I’m not proud of it.


964. rm10019 - November 14, 2011

^ lol ‘hater’ reference made me laugh

965. Harry Ballz - November 14, 2011


Petty AND pretty? Huh!

966. Red Dead Ryan - November 14, 2011

Kirk-Spock-McCoy. The core of “Star Trek”. That simple. If they want to give Uhura more screen time, fine, but let’s maintain some consistency. Just because times have changed, doesn’t mean we have to throw everything that worked in the ’60’s away. Plus, I’d bet good money that most female fans are big fans of the triad. I mean, think about it, Spock, the stoic one, is the hardest to get; Kirk is a symbol of masculinity, both strong and gentle; and McCoy is the humanist, the advocate for compassion and is good with his hands, according to Jadiza Dax.

And once again, I say no Harry Mudd. He’s a poor man’s Joker.


LOL! You tell ’em, Harry!

967. N - November 14, 2011

What’s with all the joker references? He was one of the worst excuses of a villain I’ve ever seen.

968. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 14, 2011

It could be that Kayla has decided not to give a Science report for now. Perhaps there is no new interesting news to report and/or she got tired of the general griping and incessant bitching about her “Haters gonna hate” comment. I mean, who can blame her really? In fact, who can blame any of the contributors of new threads? There is always someone who will bitch about it being no real news, “is that all you can do” type stuff?

I think they may have got a message that we really don’t want to read yet more rumour, conjecture, quotes from actors who clearly know nothing but who, maybe, like to hear the sound of their own voices and so are honouring us by only telling us something they know to be definitive. Otherwise they remain quiet. We can’t have it both ways.

It’s pretty obvious that there is no news about the progress of the sequel – none that Bad Robot/Paramount are prepared to release to this site or media.

I don’t think we should be looking to Anthony, Kayla, Rosario and co for anything of substance. However, Bob Orci could post something here…

How about it, Bob?

969. Red Dead Ryan - November 14, 2011

I would also add that the philosophical debates during TOS between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy lent some emotional resonance that appealed to women.

Plus a strong female character need not always have to be of an action heroine variety. A woman who can stand up for herself, do her job well, be good friends with the crew, make tough decisions and defend her convictions is what it’s all about.

Humor can be a source of strength too, for both men and women.

970. Red Dead Ryan - November 14, 2011


Well, the Joker is a character who is so psychopathic, and so strange, that Batman has to resort to extreme tactics to defeat him. The Joker is also sadistic, mad, and represents the opposite of Batman. No other rogue has pushed Batman further to the edge than the Joker. Plus he’s so damn fun to watch, whether it is the Caesar Romero version from the ’60’s show, the cartoon/video game version voiced by Mark Hamill, Jack Nicholson’s over-the-top psycho, or Heath Ledger’s anarchist, the Joker represents one of the all-time greatest bad guys.

971. Jack in London - November 14, 2011

Triad, schriad. They were the three main characters and they received top billing, and the biggest salaries. Yep, there were some great scenes and discussions over the years… and I want to see all three of them interact, but, heck, again, in the best Trek, they aren’t constantly together as a trio. Kirk typically interacted with each seperately more often then as a pair, apart from bridge scenes. Am i quibbling? Yep. Again, I worry when Trek gets broken down into formula by folks on here – “it must have the triumvirate” “we need allegory” “we need a message” it needs to work as a coherent story. The best Trek never feels like it’s checking off boxes — the worst of it does.

I’ll be sad if McCoy is kept as comic relief. Urban’s Bones was fun to watch, but he was dangerously close to being a parody.

972. Dee - lvs moon' surface - November 14, 2011

It seems that changes are happening in everyone’s life… observation that deep… LOL… Bob Orci and Alex Kurtzman left the Dreamworks… Zoe ended a relationship… Chris Pine left their agents…

source about CP:

…………..and Trek Sequel only in 2013…………………………………

:-) :-)

973. NCM - November 14, 2011

@927: RDR; “…She’s a communications officer!” Yes, she is. And Spock’s a somewhat geeky genius scientist, and sometime action figure. Saldana enjoys playing action roles and I’ve no problem with her desire to update Uhura – Would we rather she say ‘Captain, I’m frightened.’? But, I am with those who want the triad front and center.

974. Craiger - November 14, 2011

Chris Pine ditches current agency that represents him for another. This article says he is on current negotiations to play Kirk. I guess with the signing of a new agency maybe Pine has to renegotiate his contract with Paramount? Again Trekmovie misses another Trek news story.

975. Craiger - November 14, 2011

Sorry missed Dee’s post.

976. NCM - November 14, 2011

953. Harry Ballz – November 14, 2011

“Wow, you just made my banana split!”

Know how to split a banana? You finger it.

It’s an industry term!

To split a banana in three equal lengths, peel it and press a finger into the the center of one tip. Increase pressure, and… voila. Cover with ice cream, any flavor will do, whipped cream, hot fudge, uh…, nuts and a cherry… Who thought-up this dish?

977. crazydaystrom - November 14, 2011

Hmmm, I wonder what it would be like to make the 977th post on this thread.


978. Phil - November 14, 2011

@974. That dosen’t sound right. All an agent is is a representative of one party or another. My understanding is the main cast signed three picture deals, an actor changing agents mid contract would not dissolve an existing contract.

979. Thomas - November 14, 2011

I have to agree with those who say “No Harry Mudd”. Honestly, he’s not that interesting a character, and would have to be radically rewritten to translate to modern audiences. I always thought the way Roger C. Carmel played him was rather cloying, then I happened to catch him in an episode of The Patty Duke Show where he played the head of a vanity press, and I realized “That’s just Harry Mudd in a business suit.”

980. Phil - November 14, 2011

Again, no Mudd, Mitchell, Finney, Styles, Stonn, Khan, or anyone else. Dusting off an old character is just begging for comparisons – that’s a rat hole no one wants to see this production go down. New characters, please!!

981. somethoughts - November 14, 2011

Yes new characters like those seen in DS9, Voyager and Enterprise, rollseyes hehe

Stick to what works, give us a modern take on Khan, Klingons and anything else you can re-imagine

982. Bilderberg Group Trek Fan - November 14, 2011

#974 ++Chris Pine ditches current agency that represents him for another. This article says he is on current negotiations to play Kirk. I guess with the signing of a new agency maybe Pine has to renegotiate his contract with Paramount? Again Trekmovie misses another Trek news story++

An observation from afar. Some on this website the past few days have pretty much inferred that Zoe Zaldana is an uppity bitch for breaking up with he boyfriend and saying she wants more action and love scenes as Trek. So where is the same outrage from those folks who were saying that Zoe’s ego was getting too big in regards to Pine dumping his agent…i.e. Pine’s career is really taking off, so he must be getting a huge bloated ego to fire the agent that helped him get there after all those years of climbing to A list, eh?

What is that I hear? Did someone say “Double Standard”?

983. rogerachong - November 14, 2011

People change agents all the time it is no big deal, On to 1000.

984. rogerachong - November 14, 2011

Benicio Del Toro as the Horta see him chew through rocks and spit it out the aft port.

985. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 15, 2011

The article said that Chris Pine has not employed another agency. However, he still has the same manager. Who knows what his reasons are? The SBD Agency is huge and they have a lot of other actors on their books.

One thing that I have noticed though is that his name often appeared on short lists of actors thought most likely to play superheroes like Captain America, among others. I have read and heard him say that he does not want to play superheroes in spandex and has never been a fan of comic books. The latest has been Robocop. This seems at odds with what I have read about his own preferences for roles he would like to do. Just saying…

986. n1701ncc - November 15, 2011

A gay Klingon… thats just way off target. Horta not even a chance. Now Harry Mudd has possiblities. Ruthless , joker like character that will drive Kirk nuts and Spock will be able to logically defeat. Khan should stay home …he was meant for the Prime time line…

I will send another thought …. Trelene the young Q….

I would also like to see a lead into the next movie just so we have an idea what is to come.

987. Dee - lvs moon' surface - November 15, 2011

CP has not left his agency because of his ego… he could have done that after the success of Star Trek and he did not, chose to continue with their agents at the time… but things change… he must have had a good reason now… professional, for sure!

:-) :-)

988. rogerachong - November 15, 2011

“Star Trek: Metamorphosis” how say ye. Kirk and crew meet Zefram Chochrane aka Benicio the bull on a distant planet and have to rescue him from an electrified cloud who inexpicably falls in love with Spock. This pisses off Uhura who in this timeline is in the shuttlecraft minus the boring female diplomat. Our four main intrepid heroes escape but now the enterprise and crew face off against the creature in space hell bent on destroying them and next all federation planets in a jealous rage. Hey I’m not being paid to write this thanksgiving turkey.

989. rogerachong - November 15, 2011

And since my writing fee is of no account here’s another. “Star Trek: Who Mourns For Immortals” Benicio plays the god Zeus who resides on a distant planet named Valhalla and is pissed at humankind. In historical times they walked amongst men and now they make their awesome return. The federation with the Enterprise at the lead are tasked to defeat their army. Another epic with great battling set pieces and Kirk gets a chance to save the day by romancing one of the female gods, lets say Andromedea. If you really want it good just add that fancy immortal bow that shoots energy arrows and other god-like weapons. A truly epic film with swords, sandals and phasers. At the end there is a twist and Khan shows up and saves the day. In the next film “Star Trek: Khan Lives” he turns evil and corrupt so Kirk and the Enterprise team have to match wits with him as he seeks to sieze the immortals weapons in order to rule the universe.

990. MJ - November 16, 2011

It is rather interesting that RDR and Harry Ballz have not come down on Pine for firing his agency that way that they came down so hard on Zoe for breaking up with her boyfriend and making a few silly comments about Uhura’s character (as if Shat and others had never done that, LOL). Yes, this does seem like a double-standard.

991. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 16, 2011

The fact is that Chris Pine no longer using the SBD agency and Zoe breaking up with her fiance are really none of our business.

The agency was mentioned in this article and in it his attitude. This was in 2009 after the success of Star Trek. As Dee said, things can change. We don’t know what, however this is more than two years later, 2011. Very interesting article, btw, and one I think a lot will find quite illuminating. I certainly did.

992. DestinyCaptain - November 16, 2011

Y’know the problem with all this speculation about what role this guy would play? It’s all based on the notion that ANY of the principals involved with production know TOS-Prime. I have seen or read very little that leads me to believe this. Orci is a TNG fan. JJ is a WARS fan. I have a feeling they know as much about TOS as Braga does… and that ain’t much. They have heard of Khan and that’s about it. They can pay just about any assistant to go through TOS episodes and pull little things like planet names and such to sprinkle around in the movie to make people THINK they know TOS, however if you watch Trek 11, there’s a lot of TNG terminology in there. I don’t think this is an indicator that they know TOS on anything other than a superficial level… Oh, and Del Toro is awful. I have yet to see him in anything that he adds value. Usual Suspects is very good in spite of his presence in it…

993. rogerachong - November 16, 2011

I’m still waiting for the rest of the casting news how about Rand and Chapel.

994. rogerachong - November 16, 2011

A jungle planet in the sequel could indicate a rescue of someone in danger at the start of the film.

995. Craiger - November 16, 2011

Klingon home planet for the Jungle Planet?

996. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 16, 2011

Maybe they want to film in Hawaii because part of the story actually takes place in Hawaii! A flashback scene that Kirk has of doing a survival course in a jungle like environment as a 20 year old. He does it well, thus earning him some of those high scores on the aptitude tests.

997. rogerachong - November 16, 2011

I hope it is not just Jungle Fever or Spocks tropical honeymoon a la Twilight Breaking Dawn.

998. Harry Ballz - November 16, 2011


999. Harry Ballz - November 16, 2011


1000. Harry Ballz - November 16, 2011


1001. somethoughts - November 16, 2011

OMG I missed 1000 post! /facepalm

1002. somethoughts - November 16, 2011

wells since Harry cheated ;) i’ll consider myself as the 1000th post :)

boborci love you, when we see the movie, I can’t wait to say omg I remember posting that idea!

1003. Harry Ballz - November 16, 2011

Cheat? I changed the conditions of the thread!

1004. Harry Ballz - November 16, 2011

I would say the main difference between the two franchises is………..

Star Wars is about Good versus Evil.

Star Trek is about exploring what’s out there AND the human condition.

1005. somethoughts - November 16, 2011


Your argument precludes the possibility of a no win scenario.

A poster cannot cheat death!

1006. somethoughts - November 16, 2011

nuStar Trek is about making Star Trek accessible and respecting what came before and satisfying as many trekkies/trekkers as possible while maximizing profits for Paramount to ensure Star Trek 3 and beyond.

Making TOS cooler with fantastic heart warming scenes and omgwtfpwnbbq just happened, shed a tear, lump in throat, mouth open in awe, wet pants, wet shirt, wet face and a big smile and standing ovation at end and a fist pump as music of TOS blares with end credits and off to to post how much we love the movie and how much we love the court.

1007. Harry Ballz - November 16, 2011


Whoops! Wrong thread!

1008. Aurore - November 19, 2011

Correction. 827.
occured =occurred.

1009. adrian - November 30, 2011

benicio can’t be khan, khan is suppose to be indian. hollywood tries to cast ethnically correct these days, mostly. only reason they cast ricardo back in the day was because hoolywood hated most ethnic groups and continuity. still happens today but not as much. there are plenty of indian actors to choose from bollywood and mainstream america, and indians are invogue in hollywood ethnic class. but be sure they are indian and not pakistani, we hate pakistanis. they hide terrorist. is represented by Gorilla Nation. Please contact Gorilla Nation for ad rates, packages and general advertising information.