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William Shatner: Star Trek Costar Complaints Are “Nonsense” + Preview Of Bill On ‘Psych’ November 20, 2011

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st100On Friday William Shatner was a guest on CNN’s Piers Morgan Tonight. Topics ranged from politics to his latest book, but there was a good amount of talk of Star Trek where Bill talked about how his history is "like a cape" and how he does care about the "enmity" some of his Trek co-stars have carried all these years. Watch video clip of the interview below, plus preview of Shatner on the next episode of Psych.

 

Shatner: Star Trek like his "cape" + Costars "enmity" is "nonsense"

When Piers Morgan got around to talking about Star Trek he asked Shatner if he was "sick of it." Bill said no, noting:

SHATNER: …to me it’s like a cape that’s following me. I don’t know — how did the king get to be crowned? You know, or was it the queen that was wearing the long cape? I mean, someone has got to be lifting it. …It’s there. It’s behind me and it’s part of why I’m here essentially.

Morgan also pressed Shatner on how many of his Star Trek co-stars have been critical of him…

MORGAN: Were you surprised that they all started piling in — he stole all my great scenes. He nicked my best lines?

SHATNER: They didn’t have great scenes. They didn’t have good lines. There was nothing to nick. But I was shocked. I was interviewing. And I said, well, thank you. Great interview. Good night.
They said, well, wait a minute, don’t you want to know how much we despise you? What are you talking about? I thought I was loved.

MORGAN: Do you care?

SHATNER: I care that somebody in this world dislikes me. And I care that the enmity has carried over to the point of where we’re talking about it. It’s absolute nonsense.
I mean, we’re going to die. Go out the way you came in, with a little innocence. You know? It’s ridiculous.

Watch the full Star Trek discussion:

Shatner on Psych This Wednesday

On Wednesday November 30th William Shatner appears on the USA comedy drama Psych. In the episode "In For A Penny" Bill plays the father of Detective Juliet O’Hara (Magie Lawson). Here is a promo and a clip with Bill.

Thanks to Hollywood2NY for YouTube clips

Comments

1. Harry Ballz - November 20, 2011

Here we go again!

2. Odkin - November 20, 2011

Unfortunately, because the interview is on CNN, and by the despicable fraud Piers Morgan, no one will see it.

3. VulcanFilmCritic - November 20, 2011

The “they” who said, don’t you want to hear about how we all hated you was Nichelle Nichols. And she wasn’t hawking a book; she was being interviewed by Shatner for HIS book! So why would she make something like that up?

Frankly, although I love the Captain, I can’t stand the man playing him and I’ve had a grudge against him since 1967. I won’t bore you with why. Suffice it to say, nothing he has done since has dissuaded me from my initial opinion, one I share with George Takei and the late James Doohan. I just don’t like the man, either!

4. Lostrod - November 20, 2011

Well, before we start with the bashing …

He was asked the question, he didn’t bring it up. He answered pretty straightforward – he pointed out just how rediculous it is for parties to drag this out.

He recognizes his and his costar’s mortality. It’s time to let it go while there’s still time.

It reminds me of a documentary I watched on YouTube last night about the death of Andy Gibb at age 30. He was estranged from his older brothers Barry, Robin and Maurice Gibb (AKA The Bee Gees). They all admitted they hand words with their younger brother the day he died and they regretted they had not had the chance to end on a happier note.

I hope this story has a happier ending.

Regards.

5. El Chup - November 20, 2011

^ Actually she was hawking a book. Beyond Uhura came out shortly after she was interviewed by Shatner, with Takei’s, Doohan’s and Koenig’s all following shortly thereafter.

Not saying Shatner is holier than thou, but, at the same time, I do sometimes wonder why the others are always reated as if they are angels. Indeed, I have met all them quite a few times and while Nichelle is absolutely delightful, Takei, although a thoroughly nice guy, seems a bit full of himself, and Koenig and especially Doohan, could be rather gruff to talk to.

6. Buzz Cagney - November 20, 2011

I really feel i should apologise for Piers Morgan. What a slimey sod he is. Thanks for taking him off our hands, America, but honestly, what were you thinking?

7. Starbase Britain - November 20, 2011

Deforest Kelley didnt despise him. He and Nimoy became great friends with the shat. come on piers do your research mate.

I think this story of the cast hating him has ballooned over the years. Its old hat. Move on.

BTW The Shat looks great……Shat for Prime Minister.

Greg

United Kingdom

8. Bringbacktrekagain! - November 20, 2011

THis is getting old….okay so yeh apparently people like to continue to rub in their sentiments. Okay enough already, you’ve voiced your opinions get over it! Despite all that, Star Trek worked for what it was. I liked every single actor. I’ll miss them someday. I already miss some.

9. Vultan - November 20, 2011

#6

Didn’t Jeremy Clarkson deck Piers Morgan a few years ago?
Can’t say I blame him.

10. What is it with you? - November 20, 2011

I always find it interesting that Deforest and Nimoy never said these things about Shatner. When you work as a lead on a network show you essentially have no life-Shatner was regularly taking the full brunt of the workload, while the rest of the cast (other than Deforest and Nimoy) had only a few lines. it’s not like he spent oodles of time with them over the three seasons the show was on.

Are you best buds with everyone you work with? Cut the man some slack.

He never had a bad word to say about them before they started in on him. I’m sure thy weren’t perfect either.

Who’s the one with class here?

11. Adama - November 20, 2011

Nimoy seems to be a good and intelligent man and Shatner is one of his closest friends… I trust Nimoy opinion of him, and De never said anything against the Shat… Thats enough for me.

12. Towerpower3000 - November 20, 2011

#5

James Doohan was not gruff to talk to. I met him and he was the nicest of all the cast, bar none. I think sometimes he actually wanted to be Mr Scott. He loved fans and loved the show. He was a great guy. Let’s not say something that was not true. Meeting him was one of my fondest memories of the cast.

13. MJ - November 20, 2011

Why can’t the guy just admit that he has been a total a-hole over the years to much of the Trek supporting cast and apologize for it.

@10. Hey Einstein, when you have a a-hole who is leading your football team, he is not going to be an a-hole to the lead RB and WR, but if you are an offensive lineman, TE, or kicker, you are going to get treated like crap. This is exactly how it worked in Trek with Shat and the supporting cast.

14. Charla - November 20, 2011

Agree BBTA~~ I don’t need to know who was mad at who and why. The actors all worked on screen together nicely. Wish they could get past their differences because life is too short. But we as the audience don’t know the entire story from both parties.

15. MJ - November 20, 2011

I will say say one thing regarding this Shat interview. It looks like Shat is finally laying off Taco Bell and Mickee-Dees — he is looking pretty good in contrast to some other appearances the past couple of years (e.e.the pink tee-shirt where his gut looked like a Horta has attached itself to his midsection).

16. The Realist - November 20, 2011

9. Vultan – November 20, 2011 – Yep Clarkson = LEGEND, just thought I’d put it out there!

17. Harry Ballz - November 20, 2011

I think the resentment to Shatner may have come from him stealing the few good lines the supporting cast were given. Supposedly, any of the original scripts that would have Uhura or Scotty saying a key line to move the story forward, Shatner would go to the director and insist that such an important line SHOULD be spoken by the Captain, being the leader and all. Pure selfishness in wanting to be front and centre at all times. Now that Shat is old rich and fat, he appears to have mellowed a bit, but the same egocentric behaviour is strongly evident.

18. SciFiGuy - November 20, 2011

Walter Koenig is the one I met three times and each time he was…well…not nice.

19. Captain Hackett - November 20, 2011

I watched the interview a few nights ago and I thought it was great.

Piers Morgan told the Shat that he loved Star Trek. Real cool! :)

20. Magic_Al - November 20, 2011

If the series had run longer or Phase II had happened, the four supporting actors would have seen their characters develop more because the writers eventually would have been reaching deeper into the barrel (also Nimoy would have been mostly absent from Phase II).

21. Andy Patterson - November 20, 2011

@4

“It reminds me of a documentary I watched on YouTube last night about the death of Andy Gibb at age 30. He was estranged from his older brothers Barry, Robin and Maurice Gibb (AKA The Bee Gees). They all admitted they hand words with their younger brother the day he died and they regretted they had not had the chance to end on a happier note.”

I remember that whole Andy Gibb thing. The one thing about that that I remember was that Victoria Principle, whom he was dating at the time,….and in her prime I might add,….told him it was either drugs or her. He chose drugs. Wow!

As to Shatner and the rest of the cast being hurt or feeling slighted, …I’ve heard him say in the past he’s sorry if he hurt them. In even went on to say he may have been single minded in his protection of his character and furthering the show. These days it seems he doesn’t even want to mess with it and doesn’t even try that route. I understand that. It’s over and done. Obviously that wasn’t good enough for some.

22. MJ - November 20, 2011

@21. Exactly! Which it why it was such a travesty that Shat would not attend Jimmy Doohan’s funeral.

23. The Unknown Poster - November 20, 2011

Its interesting to note that the two cast members who did not hate Shatner were the two main co-stars who’s acting, presence and stroke would have ensured they remained top-billed.

So is it just a coincedence that the ones who hate him are the ones who weren’t top stars? I think those whiners fail to understand that Shatner, Nimoy and Kelley were the stars of Star Trek. The others were supporting cast members and if they didnt get top lines and top scenes it’s just the way it was, especially in the movies when you dont have enough time to devote to the bit players.

24. MJ - November 20, 2011

@23 “Its interesting to note that the two cast members who did not hate Shatner were the two main co-stars who’s acting, presence and stroke would have ensured they remained top-billed.”

I’ll mention this one more time: when you have a a-hole who is leading your football team, he is not going to be an a-hole to the lead RB and WR, but if you are an offensive lineman, TE, or kicker, you are going to get treated like crap. This is exactly how it worked in Trek with Shat and the supporting cast.

25. Thomas Jensen - November 20, 2011

I’ve met Mr. Doohan and he was a fun and great guy to be around. Most of what I know about the cast was by him. And he wasn’t badmouthing anybody back in the day.

That was in the early 70′s and he was speaking at a local Jr College. Shatner, Nimoy and Kelley were the big three and the stories revolved around them. I find the complaints and stories about Shatner by the cast to be annoying and really, I’m sure Shatner didn’t much care about the supporting cast, he wasn’t on camera with them as much as it seemed. But he was the point man in the series with all the lines, time on set, etc. It’s classless for the continuing complaining. I’ve seen recent interviews him him and he’s not the same guy he was as a young man.

The main thing is: do we really have a good movie coming up and are they going to serve beer in engineering?

26. Cato the Llama - November 20, 2011

The way I see it, even by Shatner’s past admittance, he was kind of a jerk to them. In their positions, I too may have been rather mad. BUT . . . unless there is something so terribly mind-numbingly awful he did that they are not mentioning, it may be time to let it go.

Really.

How many deckades does it take before one drops a grudge against someone being an egocentric attention-whore? How many of us have worked with/for someone like that? Are we going to need to publicly denounce that person for the next 50 years?

Shatner has already admitted he didn’t always treat people right. I don’t know what more he could do for them — build a monument or statue commemorating the tragic loss of the extra attention they could have gotten?

Just sayin’ . . .

27. MJ - November 20, 2011

@26. But that’s the problem, his supposed contrition is really a series of smart-ass like quips and thinly veiled sarcasm that continue to demean the supporting cast today. If I really believed he was sorry than that would be a different story.

Just sayin ‘. . .

28. 750 Mang - November 20, 2011

Shatner’s a jerk. So what? Everyone that worked with him got paid. I’ve worked with a lot of jerks. I lived. I don’t want to hang out with the guy, I just like Star Trek.

29. chrisfawkes.com - November 20, 2011

Shatner is spot on. Outside of Himself Kelly and Nimoy the rest were glorified extra’s. The show never revolved around them.

How many extras get a well paid 40 year run?

Shatner has nothing to be sorry about and these guys really do need to move on. For goodness sake there are real issues in the world but all these guys can think of is Shatner is more popular than they are.

30. MJ - November 20, 2011

@28 “Shatner’s a jerk. So what? Everyone that worked with him got paid. I’ve worked with a lot of jerks. I lived. I don’t want to hang out with the guy, I just like Star Trek.”

I don’t disagree with this statement. It’s some of the other fans here who fawn all over him and drink the Shat Kool-Aid that bother me.

@29 “Outside of Himself Kelly and Nimoy the rest were glorified extra’s. The show never revolved around them.”

By omission here, you infer that its OK to give him a free pass to treat everyone like crap except Nimoy and Kelly. Sorry, but I don’t agree with that.

31. Jonboc - November 20, 2011

…years of subsequent fan adulation and convention appearances, sitting high atop the Trek pedestal, apparently has an unusual side effect of making supporting cast members forget that their names were in the closing credits, not the opening credits….if they were even there at all.

I wonder if the wonderful character actor who played Otis on The Andy Griffith Show hated Andy Griffith and Don Kmotts for getting the lions share of dialog? Or if the guy who played Hop Sing in Bonanza went to his grave fuming over all the lines Lorne Green had? I kinda doubt it.

32. Harry Ballz - November 20, 2011

31.

Yes, but on the other hand, I highly doubt Lorne Greene treated Hop Sing like shit!

33. Red Dead Ryan - November 20, 2011

Yeah, Shatner is no saint, but let’s be honest here, without him, “Star Trek” wouldn’t be what it is today. It was Shatner who gave his character that special something that has made Captain Kirk one of the giant icons in all of sci-fi.

I can see why Takei, Koenig, Doohan and Nicholls might not love the man, but its been 45 years. Time for all of the still living cast members to make peace.

On the other hand, there is absolutely no excuse why Garrett Wang should be telling everybody how much he’d like to punch Shatner in the gut. Wang needs to realize that had it not been for the Shat, he’d be working at McDonald’s right now instead of being an emcee/usher at Star Trek conventions.

34. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 20, 2011

I guess no matter how often someone apologizes for any hurt they may have caused, there will be some who will never accept it. They are in love with being able to hate someone and receiving an apology would mean that they would have to lighten up a bit so they just twist and turn instead. Never were truer words spoken than “Haters gonna hate”.

I will strenuously attempt to ignore this thread from now on. So sad, sad, sad.

35. Trekkiesincebirth - November 20, 2011

I like William Shatner and I also like Captain Kirk. Shatner is a funny, active and fascinating man. Kirk is it, too. May both of them live long and prosper.

36. Buzz Cagney - November 20, 2011

#9 yes he did indeed, Vults. I’d have paid good money to watch that!
Morgan is a mean spirited individual. When he was the Editor of paper over here he posted a paparazi outside a guy called Ian Hislop’s house for day after day simply because Ian mocked him on a TV panel show (Have I got News for You). He really makes my skin crawl.

37. Buzz Cagney - November 20, 2011

#22 bullshit. Where is it written that you must attend an ex-work colleagues funeral. Indeed, where is it written that you must get on with colleagues at all? It is of course nice if you can, but its highly unlikely that you will get on with everybody.
If Bill had gone to Jimmy’s funeral the likes of you would have been calling Shat a hypocrite.
Besides, I thought that Bill and Jimmy and Walter patched up their differences on the Generations set?

38. Red Dead Ryan - November 20, 2011

Well, CNN has recently fired Joy Bahar. One can only hope Piers Morgan goes next.

39. chrisfawkes.com - November 20, 2011

@30 “By omission here, you infer that its OK to give him a free pass to treat everyone like crap except Nimoy and Kelly. Sorry, but I don’t agree with that.”

That’s a silly thing to say. There is no evidence he did treat anyone like crap. You pretend to know more than you do.

40. MJ - November 21, 2011

@38. Agreed. Piers Morgan is a clown. Replacing Larry King with Piers Morgan is akin to the replacement this year (due to injury) of Peyton Manning with Curtis Painter for the Colts in the NFL.

41. Chasco - November 21, 2011

Not sure why people think that DeForest Kelley didn’t have a problem with Shatner.
News flash, people: DeForest Kelley stopped talking to Shatner for a number of years after Shatner laughed in Kelley’s face over the accidental death of Kelley’s beloved dog. That’s the kind of guy Shatner is.

And isn’t it interesting that whenever he’s asked this question, he always conveniently forgets that he and Jimmy patched up their differences before Jimmy died.

One other thing: this has somehow got to be about “stealing the lines”. That’s just one symptom of the man being a jerk. If someone you work with is a dislikeable control-freak manipulative sh*t (and yes, I’m working with one right now) then whatever you say to try to explain to someone else why you dislike them always comes across as something petty.
It’s not about the lines. It was never about the lines. It was about the way Shatner was and is.

42. MJ - November 21, 2011

@33 “On the other hand, there is absolutely no excuse why Garrett Wang should be telling everybody how much he’d like to punch Shatner in the gut. Wang needs to realize that had it not been for the Shat, he’d be working at McDonald’s right now instead of being an emcee/usher at Star Trek conventions.”

Garrett Wang couldn’t hold up William Shatners jockstrap. Wang is probably the single worst actor EVER to play a regular character on a Trek series…and he thinks he is a big deal…LOL

@39 “There is no evidence he did treat anyone like crap. You pretend to know more than you do.”

Huh??? There is significant evidence — have you not been exposed to an of this history??? Check out just one example here in how poorly Shat treated Doohan in his last days:

http://trekmovie.com/2010/12/09/george-takei-william-shatner-refused-to-appear-on-stage-with-james-doohan-at-farewell-con/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD3HwsFc7bY

DEPLORABLE !!! And this is just one instance…there are numerous instances out there as “evidence”…do I really need to cover the entire history of this here again?

43. MJ - November 21, 2011

@42 “Not sure why people think that DeForest Kelley didn’t have a problem with Shatner. News flash, people: DeForest Kelley stopped talking to Shatner for a number of years after Shatner laughed in Kelley’s face over the accidental death of Kelley’s beloved dog. That’s the kind of guy Shatner is.”

Jesus Chris, that is horrid!!! This is a new one I hadn’t heard, and I thought myself to be an expert on Shat’s bad behavior. You learn something new every month though when you take on the burden of going against accepted populate beliefs and really get down to the details of researching the true behavior of pop culture icons who are worshiped by so many through rose-colored glasses.

“It’s not about the lines. It was never about the lines. It was about the way Shatner was and is.”

Yep! Chasco, I hereby award you a pair of genuine “They Live” sunglasses. Harry Ballz and I found these years ago, and through wearing them, you can see Shat for what he truly is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inZUDMGJsKo

44. Mike Thompson uk - November 21, 2011

“Not sure why people think that DeForest Kelley didn’t have a problem with Shatner.
News flash, people: DeForest Kelley stopped talking to Shatner for a number of years after Shatner laughed in Kelley’s face over the accidental death of Kelley’s beloved dog. That’s the kind of guy Shatner is.”

Well I’ll just have to take your word for it. Certainly contradicts Shatner’s love for dogs and horses.

All I know is that DeForest only had good words for Shatner like the joking at seeing him in Generations. Shatner at the conventions I’ve been to only had good words for De.

Good to see Bill so happy, is that a new toupee.

45. Victor Hugo - November 21, 2011

Since Star Trek is something of a religion to us, is not to be surprising that any little gesture is multiplied by the infinite. At the end of the day, they are just regular people.

46. mk - November 21, 2011

I thought De Kelley had a Chihuahua that accidentally died by running into a sprinkler? It was too bad that his dog died, but honestly, that is a bit funny!

And I don’t know whether Kelley stopped talking to him for years – I think it was shorter than that.

As far as the Doohan’s last convention incident – yes I’m sure Shat is not a nice guy, and he also has a strong fear of death/illness etc. so I’m sure that was behind some of his behaviour. But the whole story is from Takei after all, using it for publicity, so who knows exactly what happened.

Ultimately Shatner was probably a big a$$hole but everyone is benefiting from it now with the publicity etc., so I don’t see what the big deal is.

47. CmdrR - November 21, 2011

1 – Harry, it’s just like Einstein said… if you could build a telescope powerful enough, you could see backwards in time, and someone would be bitching about Shatner.

48. VulcanFilmCritic - November 21, 2011

The gang of four (or five) were not the only ones who had a problem with Shatner. Read “Captain’s Logs” and pay attention to what the directors said about Shatner counting lines to make sure that he had the most.
Read about his bullying of the directors and about his self-importance. Nimoy was no saint either, writing memos and going behind everyone’s back to speak to the producers directly about his character. One director goes so far as to blame the demise of Star Trek on these two stars, who would rip a script to shreds in order to make sure their character came out on top. They could no longer get good scripts. And Gene Roddenberry was not around to control them.

It’s not a pretty bedtime story, kids, but it’s probably closer to the truth than what the stars say about the situation now.

Also read “Inside Star Trek” to get a view from the producer’s angle.
And lastly, if you haven’t OD’d on Star Trek history read Harlan Ellison’s prolix introduction to his original teleplay for “City on the Edge of Tomorrow.” In that book, he describes how Shatner initially stroked then bullied the writer into giving him more lines.

Look, I’m not interested in everyone “just getting along.” I couldn’t care less about feeling good about the actors themselves. The only thing that matters is the work they left behind. That is the art. How that art was made, and how it ultimately fell apart is far more interesting than a bunch of old men kissing and making up.

49. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire. - November 21, 2011

Long Live The Shat!.

50. Schiefy - November 21, 2011

I believe there is enough blame to go around for everyone involved (“it takes two to tango”).

Shatner may or may not have tried to reconcile with his co-stars but that all should have remained amongst themselves. They all can take some blame for this topic continuing after 40 years unless they have simply run out of things to talk about and/or know it will get attention each time it is brought up.

After 40 years I am also sure that everyone’s memories are being revised, exaggerated, or embellished with each telling. And let’s not even begin to talk about how the media itself propagates and adds its own “details” each time they report on this.

I do think some of the stars have been jealous of Mr. Shatner–after all, who has consistently worked in the spotlight over the years? If his co-stars were equally talented actors then you would have thought they would have done more headlining roles over the years. I do not intend to demean or belittle any of the stars and what they have contributed to the world of Trek in their iconic roles but just making a couple of observations.

One thing is obvious here–Roddenberry’s vision of the future might still be further away then anyone thinks if even people who had the opportunity to live and breathe in his “world” cannot get along better. Maybe we all have something to learn here about how hard (or impossible?) the world of Trek is to live out in our present (and perhaps DS9 was closer to this reality of all the series?).

51. Horatio - November 21, 2011

Shat is right… with the exception of Jimmy Doohan the rest of the lesser cast didn’t have that many great lines or scenes. The vast majority of the episodes were centered around Shatner, Nimoy and Kelly.

If Takei and Koenig have issues they should blame the writers.

52. trekker 5 - November 21, 2011

Actually #2,I watched this on TV,well,I DVRed it anyway,not that watch CNN,I do not. And #38,I agree with you!

53. Hat Rick - November 21, 2011

Bill and George should just shake hands and be done with the whole enmity thing already.

Come on.

54. I'm Dead Jim! - November 21, 2011

@18 I’m not saying that you are wrong about Koenig but I had a very pleasant experience with him back shortly before “Generations”. He was very nice but then maybe even the Shat can have a good day.

Takei may come across as full of himself but I think he is good to the fans. Met him twice.

I don’t personally know anyone who has had a good experience meeting the Shat but I know some who have had bad ones. But I agree with him that it is best for everyone to just let it go.

55. John from Cincinnati - November 21, 2011

No matter what the reasons are for the co-stars discontent with Shatner is, the fact of the matter is the longer this “grudge” against him lasts, the more they look like bitter, angry, haters.

Life is short, just be happy and enjoy it.

56. Neal - November 21, 2011

I think Shatner has every right to say he is tired of it. He’s 80, he doesn’t want to the constant drama over his shoulder. Yes he is pompous, arrogant, selfish, and has the ego the size of the universe but the grips of the supporting cast is ego’s as well. The thing is, ST:TOS was not an ensemble show like TNG was. It was about the adventures of Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. Everyone one else was there to support them and to support the support the story in the way they were needed. Hence why the are called…the supporting cast.

As far as them not get the best lines or whatever, I remember them having plenty in movies. Scotty had some great one line quips that I remember as much as I do the big lines from Kirk and Spock,. I know I am tired of hearing it. Its unneeded drama. He’s 80. Just be done with it already.

57. SciFiGuy - November 21, 2011

#54 — You must have caught Koenig on a good day. The times I was around him he was snippy (not just with me) and generally acted like he’d have rather been anywhere but the signings I was at…

58. Bruce Banner - November 21, 2011

D’s dog was three inches tall and ran into the sprinkler head in his yard. Come on, picture that and tell me its not funny.

59. Patrick Gleeson - November 21, 2011

@ 51

I agree that the ensemble cast had fewer lines / scenes, but the whole 40 year old animosity stems from their belief that Shatner insisted that choice lines that *were* originally written for them were appropriated by Shatner at his insistence.

60. I'm Dead Jim! - November 21, 2011

@57 Ya know what? I was working for a local TV news station at the time and that could have been a factor in his pleasantness. Still, I was chatting it up with him like a fanboy behind the scenes and he was cool with that.

61. CmdrR - November 21, 2011

Trek is by no means unique, when it comes to actors with big egos in 60′s TV..
Michael Landon demanded budget-obliterating amounts of close-up during Bonanza’s last years.
Fred MacMurray’s contract called for him to work 65 days a year (he took weekends off, an that counted!)
And a decade earlier, there was Vivian Vance’s famous comment to a great-with-child Lucille Ball: “I’d tell you to go f*** yourself, but I see that Desi has already handled that!”

Let’s face it, small egos don’t survive in Hollywood. Learning about Shat’s behaviour is kinda like poking your nose into the Chinese kitchen. (I must remember to explain that expession to AdmrR; she of Chinese heritage.)

Anyway, from all I’ve read, Shat (and Nimoy) were doing their jobs and not there to make friends. I understand jealousy, but it was NOT a modern series with equal parts for all. It was a star-driven 60′s tv show. The ratings depended on us wanting spend time with Kirk/Spock/McCoy and to a lesser degree Scotty. The others were largely window dressing. I love these folks like family, but that’s the truth of it.

62. Greenberg - November 21, 2011

What a laugh. Nichols was just trying to sell books, Takei’s up his own hole, Koenig is a hypocrite (his private attitudes to Trek are hilarious), Doohan was two-faced. None of them seem to have ever understood the idea of an ensemble cast, or to have any real appreciation for what they were able to help create – even if their individual contributions were small. It’s not what you do, it’s the way that you do it…

63. sean - November 21, 2011

Can we find something new to joke about with regard to William Shatner beyond his weight? We get it, he got old and he got fat. The jokes are lame and stale. Come up with new material, it’s not as if the guy doesn’t offer up an endless supply of goofy things to make fun of.

64. La Reyne D'Epee - November 21, 2011

Shatner is a wayward, random old bugger and I love him for it.

65. Kev -1 - November 21, 2011

At the end of the day, these are regular people with the same quirks and emotions we all have.

66. MJ - November 21, 2011

@48 “The gang of four (or five) were not the only ones who had a problem with Shatner. Read “Captain’s Logs” and pay attention to what the directors said about Shatner counting lines to make sure that he had the most. Read about his bullying of the directors and about his self-importance…if you haven’t OD’d on Star Trek history read Harlan Ellison’s prolix introduction to his original teleplay for “City on the Edge of Tomorrow.” In that book, he describes how Shatner initially stroked then bullied the writer into giving him more lines.

Well said VulcanFimlCritic. Conveniently, all the Shat apologizes here have pretty much ignored your post though.

67. Robman007 - November 21, 2011

I had two encounters with Shat. One was at the live recording of s**t my dad says finale, and he was amazingly great, interacted with the audience a bit (listened to my story when I told it) and was awesome to watch perform in person. Just amazing.

The 2nd was at the emeraldcity comicon, and he was a bit off that day, it seemed. Not too friendly, not too talkative and couldn’t be bothered to say a simple hello or thank you or smile in a picture and was outshined by Jonathan Frakes, Brent Spiner and Bruce Boxleitner. Got Shatner’s signature on a hardcover 1st edition copy of the novel “The Return.” That was cool.

I would prefer to remember the 1st experience..the 2nd is hard to forget since it came at about $150

68. Robman007 - November 21, 2011

@66…I’ve also heard he is a complete and utter doucher to folks when the cameras are not around or he is not on set…I know a couple folks who had some run-ins with that behavior.

69. Todd Culver - November 21, 2011

William Shatner continues not to care about Star Trek. It’s all hullabaloo to him

70. Shatoupee - November 21, 2011

I saw Shat at DragonCon this year and the entire hour he was on stage was spent promoting his books, Captains docu, CDs, games, online krap, etc.—one big commercial. Boring!

71. SciFiGuy - November 21, 2011

#60 — Makes sense! LOL!!

72. SciFiGuy - November 21, 2011

The fact is, it was the 60′s. TV was different then and series were based around two or three strong characters. The secondary characters never had much to do back then. They didn’t really write episodes around each character in a series then…that was VERY out of the norm if it happened. That was true into the 70′s and 80′s as well.

So, the supporting cast — as pointed out elsewhere here — should really take their complaints to the writers…I really don’t think Shatner was calling the shots on the scripts with regard to number of lines, etc.

Maybe he tried to or maybe he did on rare occasions, but I doubt that was happening often…just my two cents.

73. MC1701B - November 21, 2011

54. Walter Koenig made my three-year-old cry. That is the sum total of what I need to know about the man.

George Takei was perfectly sweet to the same kid, as well as to me the other two times I met him. Nichelle Nichols is one of the nicest and most gracious human beings walking the Earth.

74. Lostrod - November 21, 2011

Hmm.

Nothing new here. Statistically speaking. 14% of the posts so far are from MJ. 100% of those are Insults of Mr. Shatner. Only thing new is his repetitive use of a-hole. That’s a bit juvenile.

MJ obviously has a lot of time on his hands based on his exhaustive research into the Mr. Shatner’s supposed moral misdeeds and his (by MJ’s standards) physical failings. Maybe MJ expects Mr. Shatner to apologize for growing old?

Yep. I’ll gird myself myself for the ritual “Shatner worshiper” charges …

Regards.

75. fansincesixtynine - November 21, 2011

What I’ll never understand is “WHO CARES?” I loved Captain Kirk, but couldn’t care less about William Shatner’s personality. If I met him, I would say “thank you sir for creating a hero to me,” and leave it at that. What is the relevance of these actor’s private lives?

76. Red Dead Ryan - November 21, 2011

After reading all of the posts, it seems to me that every member of the TOS cast acted like jerks at some point in their careers. And a number of them have big egos, apparently.

Therefore, I find it interesting that MJ calls out William Shatner, but none of the other cast members. George Takei, in particular, seems to have it in for Mr. Shatner. Probably out of sheer jealousy. Pretty sad.

None of the other members of the other casts seem to have the same issues. Except for Garrett Wang, who not only stinks as an actor, but has been acting pretty obnoxious lately. Where does that guy get the ego? Outside of seven seasons of “Voyager”, the dude has accomplished nothing!

Wang and Takei must be best friends or something!

77. MJ - November 21, 2011

I am not a big fan of Takei either….a really overated actor. I can’t stand Garret Wang either…Wang is a condescending know-it-all with delusions of grandeur…this of Lostrod as an actor on Trek, and you have Wang. :-)

78. MJ - November 21, 2011

or as I meant to say: think of Lostrod as an actor on Trek, and you have Wang. :-)

79. MJ - November 21, 2011

Others who have agreed with me here on Shat or voiced concerns about him in the posts on this article:

– VulcanFilmCritic
– Shatoupee
– Robman007
– I’m Dead Jim!
– mk
– Harry Ballz
– Chasco
– Mike Thompson uk

Wait a minute though, Lostrod would infer that it is just me who is focused on Trek….BUZZ…time to revise that theory, Lostrod.

80. MJ - November 21, 2011

argh….”focused on Shat.”

81. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 21, 2011

“Statistically speaking. 14% of the posts so far are from MJ. 100% of those are Insults of Mr. Shatner.”

MJ – this is actually what Lostrod said. He did not infer that it was just you who was focused on being negative about William Shatner. Please read a person’s post properly before making false assertions. Do you know what 14% means?

The world is full of a-holes and frankly, the biggest a-holes are the ones who constantly go on about other a-holes or who they assume are a-holes.

I’m not sure whether there is a log or a speck in my eye. Honestly.
Do you any of you know for sure which you have?

I really wish the trekmovie staff would not publish anything about William Shatner because it seems to always turn into a big hate-fest, no matter what the topic.

82. MJ - November 22, 2011

@81 You are well aware that Lostrod is always out to attack me when I criticize Shat, so stop pretending such innocence here. :-)

83. MJ - November 22, 2011

Besides, I completed Shat for finally losing some weight. He’s looking pretty good right now, relatively speaking.

84. Jack - November 22, 2011

‘They didn’t have great scenes. They didn’t have good lines. There was nothing to nick.’

Yep.

It’s funny how he vaccilates, seemingly, depending on the interview, between wanting understanding and saying, “this is f&&king crazy,” And of course, it’s hard to tell when he’s kidding.

At this point, I wish they all, including Shatner, would show a little dignity, acknowledge it was a long time ago and, generally, tell anyone who keeps asking the damned questions that the bloody feud has been documented and… enough, already. It’s become the bit players’ claim to fame in recent years — “Shatner stole our spotlight.” “He wasn’t a team player like Patrick Stewart”

Seriously, they were glorified extras, and hired for their ethnicity and looks, except Scotty. Heck, those anonymous Con guys (I think one was the daughter from the Cosby Show) from TNG could make similar complaints.

85. Jack - November 22, 2011

And, regarding Harry’s (smart) comment above — yep, Shatner was an egomaniac. But so are almost all bloody actors. Heck, the others’ complaints are equally self-centered (heck, they got paid regardless, but, yeah, they’re actors and, by definition, they want bigger parts). They weren’t making Star Trek because they wanted to better humanity — they wanted work, and money, and fame. And there’s nothing wrong with that. hell, Takei lobbied for a bigger part… and that could have meant him getting lines tah tcould have otherwise gone to an extra (who could have made money bitching about Takei on the convention circuit). Yep, lots of speculation, just like the majority of the comments here).

I still find it interesting that these discussions over Kirk’s parts all happened off the set, at the office and behind the scenes… the actors have said they didn’t even know this was happening right at the time and that Bill was always cordial, friendly and professional on set. The feud developed after the damned show was over and they had a lot of time on their hands. Had Kirk been stopping filming to say, “Sulu shouldn’t say that!” — well, that would have been something else.

Bottom line — who cares?

86. K-7 - November 22, 2011

All, Lostrod ALWAYS shows up when MJ is commenting on Shat. His showing up to defend Shat and take carefully veiled potshots at MJ is as dependable as Uncle Sam demanding his money every 15 April.

Lostrod and MJ are like the half-white/half black guy in TOS, with one white on the left side and one white on the right side, and with both fighting a pointless war that will never end. The only difference between these two guys is that Lostrod pretends to be be reasonable and above the fray, while MJ in much more direct; but make no mistake, they are the same animal.

87. Dom - November 22, 2011

Shatner was the star of the show, pure and simple! He was ably supported by the excellent Leonard Nimoy and Deforest Kelley. The rest of the cast were lucky they got the prominence they did. George Takei is probably the last person who should complain about his appearances: he took off to act in a movie for a third of the show’s run! It’s sad that a bunch of people who once played some extremely memorable minor characters are so bitter about acting in three seasons of a TV show nearly 50 years ago!

88. SciFiGuy - November 22, 2011

#73 — Koenig made your 3 year old cry?! What happened? My wife met George Takei at the Clinton Library…he was just another visitor…not there for any signings or anything — and he was super nice to my wife and she even took her picture with him. Strangely, no one else there seemed to recognize him…lol!!

That’s pretty accessible and nice if you ask me. Quite the opposite of Koenig!!

89. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 22, 2011

I think it’s the luck of the draw on the day when you meet an actor/celebrity as to how they will respond to you. You just have to hope that the day you get to meet your favourite actor/character, that he/she is in a good mood and has not got a headache or something and/or overly worried or stressed, whatever. The other factor to consider is your own emotional expectations and long carried projections that you have about the way a certain person would be like, only to find them dashed somewhat.

Certainly they are getting good money and it does help if they can maintain a polite and cordial demeanour, but unfortunately, that may not always be possible. I guess that is why Chris Pine sets boundaries, but still manages to be polite about it most of the time. It should be common knowledge by now, that with regard to Chris Pine, that you don’t go seeking an autograph or other special attention when he is in a restaurant enjoying a meal. If I know this, on the other side of the world, then there is really no excuse for other people. If he does get surly, then it is because his boundaries, which have been made public, have been violated.

If only other actors were as clear, or perhaps they are – it’s just that joe-public does not pay attention when it doesn’t suit him. Of course, some actors may well be rude a-holes, but not all.

90. nscates - November 22, 2011

@-86

LOL! Wonderful observation! They both do seem to be pretty invested in this topic.

91. MJ - November 22, 2011

@86 @90

I realize that I am part of the butt of this joke, but I must admit, I do act like Loki (overzealous and passionate) and Lostrod certainly act like Beal (pretends to be reasonable, but us really nuts). Funny!

92. Christopher Valin - November 22, 2011

Am I the only one here who saw Koenig on Shatner’s talk show, where they made up and Shatner offered to get him a part on S#!t My Dad Says? Maybe it was just for the camera, but they seemed pretty genuine.

93. Thorny - November 22, 2011

31. Hal Smith, who played Otis Campbell, only appeared in about 30 episodes over ten years of The Andy Griffith Show, so it isn’t the same as Takei, Nichols, and Koenig on Star Trek, who were in most episodes when they were regulars.

A better comparison would be Frances Bavier as Aunt Bee, who did appear in most episodes (many more than Don Knotts, in fact) and it has since been revealed that she didn’t like Griffith very much.

94. JKP - November 22, 2011

Those supporting cast members were blessed to be a part of ST and it’s made them a ton of money more than they would have ever seen in their lives playing bit parts on any other show of the era.

They should shut up and be grateful for that and quit bitching because the star of the show was the star of the show.

Enough is enough. Enjoy your fame and money.

95. DS9 IN PRIME TIME - November 22, 2011

no one cares anymore. they are friends its all media hype

96. Vultan - November 22, 2011

#93

From what I’ve heard, Frances Bavier didn’t get along very well with anyone. Then again, I’ve also heard that Andy Griffith is pretty far from Andy Taylor in real life—closer to Lonesome Rhodes (“A Face in the Crowd”) than anything else.

Oh well, TAGS is still fun to watch, as is Star Trek.

97. Lostrod - November 22, 2011

#86 K-7

“All, Lostrod ALWAYS shows up when MJ is commenting on Shat. His showing up to defend Shat and take carefully veiled potshots at MJ is as dependable as Uncle Sam demanding his money every 15 April.”

Actually, I showed up first because I could see what was coming. Even Harry had a premonition :). Thank you, Harry for your restraint.

When I did post later it was to point out the obvious – that MJ would take any opportunity to insult Mr. Shatner. I think we can agree that calling someone an “a-hole” qualifies as an insult. And multiple times at that. A bit of overkill.

I enjoy many of MJ’s observations on this site. I do try to balance his posts out when I have time. However, I have no illusion that I can match him one to one.

The “Let This Be Your Last Battlefield” allegory was interesting, but not accurate because MJ is not my enemy. Rather, the insensitive insults of Mr. Shatner are. Particularly when the insults are about personal appearance and unrealistic expectations of how someone should look at age 80.

And lastly – how do you know MJ are not really the same person and just posting this virtual sparring match for grins?

Regards.

98. MJ - November 23, 2011

@97. Beal, I retract my use of the term “a-hole”. What I really mean was “rectally challenged.”

Best Regards, Loki

99. MJ - November 23, 2011

@97 “I enjoy many of MJ’s observations on this site. I do try to balance his posts out when I have time. However, I have no illusion that I can match him one to one.”

Thanks, I think??? :-))

100. K-7 - November 23, 2011

Lostrod, no, I am not MJ. Perhaps you are Keachick?

101. Red Shirt Diaries - November 23, 2011

Is anyone else having some posting issues here today — the system is behaving strangely and is not accepting some of my posts?

102. K-7 - November 23, 2011

#103. Maybe it is because you don’t know what the hell you are doing? :-)

103. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 23, 2011

K-7 – Don’t get into that. With me, what you see is what you get. I do not hide behind other aliases. I am Rosemary, Keachick, Keachick – rose pinenut.

I have no idea who Lostrod is, other than what I read here, just like you.

104. Keachick - rose pinenut - November 23, 2011

#101 I’ve had that in the past. Sometimes you have type in your name and email address all over again in the “Say it” box and then it will go through. I’m not sure why this happens. Perhaps AP might know. Since this post has come through, check to see if you are using a word that is not allowed in this weird system – they don’t have to be swear words. For example, an alternate spelling, but perfectly valid, according to good dictionaries, for a person from the Philippines beginning with the letter “F” caused all my posts to “disappear”. Go figure.

105. Lostrod - November 23, 2011

#100 K-7

Sorry for the typo. I was asking what if MJ and were actually the same …

Although Keachick and I do seem to agree on many things, particulary in regards to personal insults, we are not the same. I barely have the time to post as one person, much less two. Although I hear that does happen.

Is that what the term Sockpuppet is referring to?

Regards.

106. MJ - November 23, 2011

@105 / Beal

Beal (Lostrod), the problem with charging people here with sockpuppeting is that is breeds mistrust in everyone posting here. I recommend you stick to the facts, and stop trying to use convenient excuses to bail you out of weak arguments against me that are not going you way.

Trying to distract all of us from your weak arguments by making claims like this is a poor tactic that we can all see through. I therefore urge you to stick to the facts in making your case here for Shat — as poor as those arguments might be, at least they have some valid basis for discussion.

– Loki (MJ)

107. Lostrod - November 23, 2011

#106 MJ

For crying out loud, MJ – do you read posts before you respond? I did not charge anyone with sockpuppeting! I simply asked what it meant and if was related to people signed in more than once under different names.

And what’s with “Beal”? You can’t simply say “Lostrod”?

I have no intention of “distracting” anyone. Since we do you speak for “all of us”?

I wouldn’t have to make a case for Mr. Shatner if you didn’t insist on jumping into every article about the actor with tour usual obsessive insults.

I really would not like to get into another back and forth with you. It’s a waste of time. However, Please do not accuse me of something I plainly did not do.

Read before you post.

Regards.

108. MJ - November 23, 2011

Sorry Beal — I apologize.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family!

– Loki

PS: You did bring up sockpuppetting in response to K-7 which seemed directed at K-7 and I: “And lastly – how do you know MJ are not really the same person and just posting this virtual sparring match for grins?” You were the one who brought this up, not me, or K-7 or Keachick?

109. Lostrod - November 23, 2011

#108 – MJ

Well I think I understand why you called be “Beal”. I assume you were referring to the character in “Let This Be Your Last Battlefield” TOS episode. However, the character’s name was “Bele”. Is that what you meant?

Without belaboring the point, I was simply asking about the meaning of Sockpuppeting? That is not the same as accusing someone of the practice, so I think you were out of line on that.

If you re-read the post and the subsequent repossess to K-7 I think you will see what I mean.

Lastly, the comment about you and I being the same person was a tongue and cheek response to our friend K-7 who pointed out that I always appear when you post. Me thinks you read too much into it.

At any rate, my comment about liking most of your post still stands. My objection has always been that you tend to go overboard with the personal insults of Mr. Shatner.

Now, can we move on? Lots of other topics on Trekmovie!

Regards.

110. Lostrod - November 23, 2011

#108 – MJ

Yikes! I forgot – Happy Thanksgiving to you, your family and the rest of the gang here!

My daughter bought me a home brewing beer kit for my birthday and we’re working on our first batch (more involved than I thought).

I’m thinking of coming up with a Star Trek themed label such as:

BORG Beer
Or
Bele Beer

Any suggestions?

Cheers!

111. MJ - November 23, 2011

@110. OK, peace Lostrod, and I hope you and your family have a great holiday weekend.

I did check the internet, and it seems that there are mutliple spellings for Beal, like Bele (as you suggested) or Beale? Perhaps “Beale” my be the correct one? Not sure?

Anyway, it has been fun as usual, and I hope you can take some of my posts here with a grain of salt.

Best, MJ

112. Lostrod - November 24, 2011

#111 – MJ

Likewise, MJ.

BTW – the “Bele” spelling I got from Wikipedia at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_That_Be_Your_Last_Battlefield

Today I remembered I had purchased the ST PADD app and it also spells the name as “Bele”. “Loki” is also spelled as “Lokai”.

Regards.

113. The Unknown Poster - November 25, 2011

These people are, what, in their 70′s? Some have died. The fact they keep harping on Shatner who is a million times the star they will ever be is either a tremendous “work”on their part to stay in the news or they are shockingly immature, bitter old fogeys.

Perhaps is Shatner wasnt who he was then Star Trek would not have become the global phenomenon it did and no one would care enough about the supporting actors to ever print their complaints. They made a lot of money off Shatner’s star power and performance as Captain Kirk.

You have a select few people with every reasonable potential to have been jealous at being cast in an “ensemble” only to see 3 of them get top billing whining about Shatner. And sure, Shat has admitted to not being the most humble of guys back in the day. But how many of his other co stars have complained? If I recall, he was well thought of on Boston Legal. When did Nichols or Takai win any awards?

Sour grapes. And very, very sad. Hopefully they can find some peace and comfort in the wealth that Shatner helped create before they die.

114. RobB - January 27, 2012

I find this petty bickering to be almost as entertaining as the TOS and I’m sure that is the point. Nothing sells better than sex and controversy. The fact that Snow White’s dwarfs have been bitching about her for decades is just pathetic. The “rift” and complaints sound similar to disgruntled employees and show petty jealousy more than anything. William Shatner worked for over 4 years on T.J.Hooker and none of those people have made corroborating statements.
William Shatner built his career from zero in one of the most competitive industries in existence. Sour grapes from people who have lived off of ST Conventions while Bill had multiple acting projects and did not have the time, need or interest to jump on a weekend red eye after working 12-14 hrs days to attend ST related events instead of spending the little time he had with his real family. Shame on the glorified extra’s for vilifying a working actor who chose to work on his career instead of chatting up Star Trek.

115. Nora van Wyk - May 30, 2012

Billy Blackburn stated on the original Star Trek series dvds that Bill Shatner was always up and very nice to him and all the extras. He further stated that Bill never took any scenes away from him. He was glad that he could show the film that he took with his movie camera to show how Bill was full of fun and that it was not as serious as some of the supporting cast had said. Nichelle herself had said on camera how Bill was for the interracial kiss and angry that those people were against it. She also said how he caught her and took her home when she fainted. So for her to say that they despised him is despicable in itself.

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