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UPDATED: JJ Abrams Denies Star Trek Sequel Villain Rumor December 2, 2011

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Rumor,Star Trek Into Darkness , trackback

Director JJ Abrams has already confirmed he is considering Oscar-winning actor Benicio Del Toro to play the villain for his Star Trek sequel. There has been a lot of speculation regarding what role he will be playing and now there is an unconfirmed report on who he would be playing. See below for the possible spoiler. [UPDATE: JJ Abrams has denied the rumor]

 

UPDATE: Abrams denies Del Toro as Khan rumor

UPDATED: Late Friday afternoon Latino Review reported that a source has told them that Benicio del Toro will be playing Khan Noonien Singh in the 2013 Star Trek sequel. However, on Friday evening HitFix got a comment from JJ Abrams saying the Latino Review report was "not true."


Ricardo Montalbán as Khan Khan Noonien Singh in "Space Seed" and actor Benicio del Toro now rumored to be up for part of Khan in the Star Trek sequel

First played by Ricardo Montalban in the original Star Trek episode "Space Seed" in 1967 and the 1982 film Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, the character of Khan is probably Star Trek’s best known bad guy. Khan has been at the top of the list of possible villains ever since producer Damon Lindelof revealed (in the Star Trek 2009 DVD commentary) that the team had considered adding a post-credits scene showing Khan’s sleeper ship, the SS Botany Bay.

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Comments

1. TheTim - December 2, 2011

He tasks me….

2. Brett Campbell - December 2, 2011

Yuck.

3. I'm Dead Jim! - December 2, 2011

Oh brother! Here we go…

4. Red Dead Ryan - December 2, 2011

(Sings to the tune of Elton John’s “Can You Feel The Love Tonight?”)

“Khan you feel the love tonight?….It is where we are!”

5. Brett Campbell - December 2, 2011

I’d rather have him as a Gorn.

6. Sean - December 2, 2011

I hope not….don’t destroy my favorite ST movie by doing a remake….I hope del torro is a Klingon

7. Chelsea - December 2, 2011

Sincerely hoping that this rumor isn’t true. We have an amazing Khan movie, and JJ can do whatever he wants with the new movie, so why use Khan again?

8. NCM - December 2, 2011

I thought I was completely against the Khan re-visitation; So I’m “tasked” to explain the dizzying jolt of excitement I just experienced!

9. Brett Campbell - December 2, 2011

Do these guys eat re-hash browns for breakfast? How about EARNING a paycheck, “powers”-that-be?

10. Brett Campbell - December 2, 2011

7 – Because these guys are not nearly as creative as they have hoodwinked a number of fans that they are.

11. MartianRogue - December 2, 2011

First I should just say I do enjoy the Khan character and love both of his previous appearances in the Trek Universe very much. But IF Khan is the villain than i’ll be incredibly disappointed. The whole goal of Abrams & Co. reboot of Trek was to give them the freedom to do something different. If they just go back to Khan, than what was the point of the reboot in the first place?

Is Khan the safe choice? Is there a gaurantee of success there? From the very start of Abrams-Trek the guys involved kept talking about Khan. And talking about Khan as if Trek began and ended with him. If they go with Khan in their sequel, i’ll have very little to no interest in this movie, honestly. Pass.

12. Lousy Canadian - December 2, 2011

It would be more interesting if they came up with a new original character rather than recycle them. Then again, so many characters were portrayed over and over again when franchises were rebooted. So I guess I’m going to keep my mouth shut and wait for confirmation, as well as seeing how this villain will be portrayed. Del Toro is a great actor and I can’t wait to see what he can pull off for this movie.

13. Brett Campbell - December 2, 2011

11 – “Is Khan the safe choice?”

Of course it is! That’s why they’re making it.

Risk … risk ain’t their business! That’s why they’re on board with this.

Let’s hope it’s a red herring and a publicity stunt to maintain fan interest during the interminable wait for the next movie.

14. Andy Patterson - December 2, 2011

@1 well put

@10 well put

@13 and well put. And funny.

15. Inside The Production - December 2, 2011

Need I say more? That Alice Eve is the Borg queen and not a female love interest and certainly not new to the canon? And you all denied my information…. last laugh?

16. Brett Campbell - December 2, 2011

14 – Thank you. Won’t Kirk’s “Khan” yell be just awesome in 3-D?

Oh … let’s spell that “Con!”

17. AFort - December 2, 2011

Bring on Khan! I like this if true!

18. Yob Benami - December 2, 2011

Sigh. What happened to originality? This if true will be very disappointing.

19. Brett Campbell - December 2, 2011

15 – She’ll be Khan’s wife, who dies, and sets him on vengeance against Kirk. It’s Trek by numbers.

20. Jason - December 2, 2011

did they reboot the franchise just to do the same thing all over??

i hoped Del Toro woild play a klingon or something.

21. Jason - December 2, 2011

i mean, that was what they spent four years thinking about? a new khan story?

someone save us

22. Brett Campbell - December 2, 2011

20 – “did they reboot the franchise just to do the same thing all over??”

Just another example of Nietzsche’s theory of eternal recurrence.

23. Inside The Production - December 2, 2011

19 —

Incorrect. I already stated this much further back when everyone said that Del Toro couldn’t possibly be Khan. He is. This sequel is all about keeping the information from leaking. Khan teams up with the Borg queen to take down the Enterprise, which gravely injures his mentor in the opening sequence of the film.

24. Drake1701 - December 2, 2011

Please no.

25. Anthony Pascale - December 2, 2011

“Inside the production”
Please change your name and stop using this site to spread your rumors. If you have a legit tip, send it in to the tipline. But the comments are not here for false rumors

26. Brett Campbell - December 2, 2011

23 – Got any proof that you are “Inside the Production”?

And if you are, and are giving spoilers, JJ is going to saute your nads.

27. Red Dead Ryan - December 2, 2011

#23.

“This sequel is all about keeping the information from leaking.”

Yeah, that’s worked out real well, I’d say! (Sarcasm)

Kinda like closing the barn doors after the horses ran loose!

In your case, loose lips sink ships!

28. I'm Dead Jim! - December 2, 2011

Well, if this is true, remember that it will likely not be a TWOK remake but a Space Seed remake. However I am with a lot of the comments above. I’d rather not see Khan (be original) and that Del Toro would make a fine sophisticated Klingon.

29. Brett Campbell - December 2, 2011

25 – Well that clarifies that, re: 23.

Thank you, sir!

30. spb - December 2, 2011

Of course he’s playing Khan. They went with a new, no-name villain last time… this time they HAVE to go back the Established Villain Well.

That, and there’s NO originality left in Hollywood. Way to go, Abrams & Co.!

31. Josh Heinrichs - December 2, 2011

I seriously hope that this rumor is as true as the one about the riddler being the baddie in the next Batman film. Seriously? Kahn again? This is what took your over four years to write, a Kahn re-telling? Please, please one of the writers come on TrekMovie and debunk this nasty rumor.

Besides, Del Toro looks much more like a Klingon then he does Kahn of all people.

32. The Lensman - December 2, 2011

I hope this is crap, because I liked the reboot and the new possibilities it presented us with. Making a second Star Trek 2 movie be about Khan is in no way interesting to me.

And to echo Jason above…it took four years to come up with Khan? Seriously? Geez, I’m in the wrong line of work.

Guys, if you’re not going to do anything new with the new universe you created, then move on and either let someone else do it or let it die. We had two series worth of craptacular retreads that ended up killing that iteration of the franchise.

At least we had seven years of TNG and some DS9 before we hit serious retread territory and you seem to be doing it after two measly hours worth of nuTrek.

Again, I’m hoping this is a bs story.

33. Hans Thielman - December 2, 2011

No Khan do!

34. Keachick - rose pinenut - December 2, 2011

http://collider.com/star-trek-2-villain-khan-benicio-del-toro/130066/

This is another article which is talking about some source saying Del Toro will be Khan, but they also give good reasons why it is a bad idea.

Honestly – JJ, Bob, Alex – I can’t believe it. Tell me it ain’t so!

Frankly, I think it is just a Latino site who wants to see an Oscar winning Latino play a role made famous by another good Latino actor some 30 years ago. The problem is that Khan is not Latino. Even his name should tell people that.

Frankly, the best thing that could happen to the Botany Bay (while all the crew are *asleep*) is that the ship gets gobbled up by that planet killer thingy. The End. Del Toro plays the Klingon who sees this weapon and believes it to be a new Federation weapon proto-type. He and his warbird barely escape the mall of this huge weapon but he does and goes back to report what he has witnessed, along with his half-baked, unsubstantiated conclusion. The stuff of all *good* sci-fi war stories – any excuse for a space battle and intrigue and death and shit.

Meanwhile the planet killer goes on its merry way, only to be gobbled up by one of those rogue supernovas and the supernova disappears, never to be seen again.

How is that for an *original* story?

35. Odkin - December 2, 2011

Typically Hollywood.. Look for more of the same from “Man of Steel”, which is doing the same thing with General Zod – replacing a perfect, definitive performance by a charismatic stage actor with a mumbling moping method actor.

Expect this movie to be all about selling the toys. Look for Klingons, Borg, and Khan all mashed together in another brainless shoot-em-up.

36. Ensign RedShirt - December 2, 2011

Latino Review is a dubious source, at best. Take it with a grain of salt.

That being said-should this turn out to be true-it’s very disappointing. Completely unoriginal.

37. Weerd1 - December 2, 2011

Leakage? From an Abrams film? Only if he planned it.

38. Jay - December 2, 2011

Heck yeah! I LOVE IT! I can’t wait to see Del Toro’s take on the character.

39. Lt. Daniels - December 2, 2011

If its Khan then make the movie about Space Seed and Wrath of Khan mixed the two stories together some way. All happening at the same stardate when Kirk and Khan first met, it still could be called Wrath of Khan.

40. Odkin - December 2, 2011

Funny how people are upset that a Latino is playing a character with a Sikh name , but never mention that “Jean Luc Picard” doesn’t exactly scream “British”.

41. Driver - December 2, 2011

James Cawley could have come up with something better. Shame on J.J. and Co. if this is true.

42. Red Dead Ryan - December 2, 2011

I find it ironic that many of the same people who are against Khan, who was only seen in one episode and one movie, are more interested in seeing the Klingons, who’ve been DONE TO DEATH in every friggin’ incarnation of Trek on tv, and most of the damn movies already!

Remember, these guys have to maintain interest from the mainstream. They obviously feel (if the rumors are true) Khan would work best to improve audience numbers and to put a new, more modern spin on the character.

I mean, how many Jokers have we seen? Mark Hamill, Caesar Romero, Jack Nicholson, and Heath Ledger, all of whom played the character with some similarities, as well as differences.

And for those of you saying a new Khan would be in poor taste after Ricardo Montalban’s death, the producers had already recast the original characters. Two of which (McCoy and Scotty) were originally portrayed by two actors (DeForrest Kelley and James Doohan) who died a number of years prior to the reboot. So that precedent has already been set.

Besides, it is quite possible that while we will have a familiar villain, we could have a totally different storyline from that of “Space Seed” and “The Wrath Of Khan”.

I can’t wait to see where they go with Khan, if it’s true they are going with him’

43. Admiral_BlackCat - December 2, 2011

Best news I’ve heard in a while. Since the sequel was announced I said bring on Khan! I can’t wait to see what Orci, Kurtzman, JJ and crew do with such an iconic character. My mind races with all the possibilities above and beyond the typical Space Seed remake.

And of course they were going the Khan route, after the wild (financial) success of The Dark Knight starring most iconic batman villain how could they not.

44. dmduncan - December 2, 2011

Ha! Well, Bob did say they did the story they always wanted to do, and Khan did always seem to be the foremost story in their minds, based on what they did reveal of their thinking.

45. Khan was Framed! - December 2, 2011

Well duh…

What do you think those first conversations about rebooting Star Trek all about?

” We can bring Khan back, or Harry Mudd, we can show Kirk fall in love & conceive a son with a hot model/actress”

The previous movie was an obvious vehicle to get to this point. I have accepted it & moved on. I hope all the “no Khan”ers out there do too.

This was inevitable.

So..Prometheus looks alright….

46. Beachhead - December 2, 2011

I thought Abrams, Orci, and company had confirmed that Khan was not going to be the villain?

47. claypool2011 - December 2, 2011

If this is true, I won’t bother with the next movie. I’m already a little angry that Trek has been kept off TV for so long.

If they were going with this, the long wait is inexcusable.

Please give Trek to someone who doesn’t have 6 or 7 other plates spinning at the same time.

48. draderman - December 2, 2011

STAY… OR GO!
But do it because you want to!

49. Gary S. - December 2, 2011

Latino Review is often wrong.

50. Charles E. Pratt, Jr. - December 2, 2011

I’m of two minds. I had really hoped for an all new Star Trek adventure. All new as in not revisiting the Prime Star Trek timeline even if in a fractured way. I’ve been complaining that, to my way of thinking, a reboot should be used to shake the shackles of 40+ years of canon and start over fresh and new “going where no man has gone before”. It seems to me that we haven’t boldly gone in a new direction in a loooong, loooong time. So, in that sense I’m very disappointed if these new rumors are true.

However, Benicio Del Toro is an awesome actor and if anyone can bring intelligence and menace to a new interpretation of Khan, he can do it!! (Please don’t let KHAN be a one-dimensional villain who snarls and twirls his mustache, so to speak. Pleeeeease! Give the guy some layers and motivations! )

If anyone can pull it off though the new TREK team can. I hope!

So, in summary, I’m disappointed but very hopeful if these rumors are true. I can’t kid you guys though, I’ll be there on opening night as excited as a kid on Christmas morning! I just hope I get the present I want!!

51. Mark Anton - December 2, 2011

It obviously could be good having Khan back, depending on what exactly they’re planning to do. But it certainly has the potential for a “been there, done that” kind of movie. And for a revamped film series that has barely just begun, it would could certainly give the appearance that the writers are lacking in fresh ideas and falling back on the success of others.

52. Chelsea - December 2, 2011

Update: YES! Thank you JJ for squashing this rumor quickly.

53. Ran - December 2, 2011

Terrible if true.
J.J. and co. does not have the qualities to bring life into the Khan character.

54. The Great Bird of the Galaxy - December 2, 2011

Don’t believe it! The name of the character he would portray if he were to sign on would start with a K- but not Khan. And you might expect to see an ancient race of well known ‘peacekeepers’ involved with the plot, as well.

I offer this speculation as fuel for the speculative fire.

55. dmduncan - December 2, 2011

So is JJ confirming the story is NOT about Khan?

56. dmduncan - December 2, 2011

I wish that update were written a little more clearly as in exact words JJ was told, asked, and his response.

57. Will - December 2, 2011

JJ obviously has him picked for a different role.

That of an evil time travelling Uncle Jesse.

58. Vultan - December 2, 2011

I’m hoping this isn’t true, but I won’t be surprised if it is.

Just check the resumes of the “Supreme Court.” Remakes are their bread and butter. Plus Hollywood is in the midst of mining the past fifty years for every single profitable idea. Khan may be the latest nugget in the pan.

“Dar’s gold in dem dare hills!”

59. The Great Bird of the Galaxy - December 2, 2011

Speculation is such an ‘Errand of Mercy’

60. Thorny - December 2, 2011

I’d prefer this movie not bring in Khan. I still want to see a movie that’s mostly about the Enterprise crew and not have them overshadowed by the villain. Let the new cast stand on their own for one movie, then go to Trek’s best known, most dynamic villain.

That said, I’ve long suspected this would be a Khan movie. The pressure to go Khan must have been enormous from the studio (with visions of Dark Knight clouding their judgment) and on the writers who want their shot at Trek greatness (they missed a little with Trek 2009, which was a good movie but not a great one.)

I hope the fact that it took four years to write the inevitable Khan story means they’ve come up with something that’s both original and true to the Khan character, but I just don’t see a clear path to that goal.

61. Simon - December 2, 2011

I’m sure everyone here thought Christopher Nolan was a hack after bringing back the Joker for the umpteenth time for THE DARK KNIGHT. After all, after so many versions of the Joker what could he possibly do?

Same thing with Khan, he was in one movie 30 years ago and 1 TV episode 45 years ago. That is so many times and so recently!

(sarcasm)

62. Red Dead Ryan - December 2, 2011

Well, secrets are very rarely kept in Hollywood, even with the best security methods, so we’ll have to take J.J Abrams’ denial with a grain of salt.

Usually a rumor pops up, a producer or director denies the rumor, but the rumor ends up being true anyway. Case in point: The Joker in “The Dark Knight”. Chris Nolan initially denied the rumors, but eventually admitted it.

63. James - December 2, 2011

Latino Review is very reliable actually. Even ThinkMcFlyThink.com is backing them up on it. And J.J. Abrams is lying guys sorry. It’s literally part of his job to do so. Just like Zack Snyder lied about General Zod being the main villain in Man of Steel. J.J. Abrams isn’t going to say ‘Oh yeah you got me, it’s Khan.’ This even makes sense based on what Variety said about the main villain being familiar to Trek fans. And Alice Eve’s CHARACTER is probably new to the canon, just like Nero, but her RACE probably isn’t.

64. MartianRogue - December 2, 2011

so very, VERY, glad Abrams is saying this isn’t true. very glad indeed.

65. The Great Bird of the Galaxy - December 2, 2011

Please don’t make me spell it out. His resemblance to the role is undeniable.

“Jim, this man is a Klingon!”

KORRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!

66. Simon - December 2, 2011

PS: Judging by the opinions on this board before the last film came out Abrams & Company are better off NOT listening to fans. If they did the last film would have been an absolute disaster.

67. Chain of Command - December 2, 2011

I’d still love to see them do something that was not only action oriented, but extremely smart and thought-provoking. Star Trek is more than just the “Wash, Rinse, Repeat” bad guy stuff that has been presented in all the films for the past 20 years..

Time to “Boldly Go”. Leave the evil, ,maniacal bad guys who are pissed for no reason to the James Bond series.

68. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - December 2, 2011

Hey Bob Orci. can you just tell us that Del Toro won’t be playing Khan. That would clear all this up. Please!!!!!.
Great having Anthony on here again telling people what to do. Glad to have you back Anthony.

69. Vultan - December 2, 2011

Hey, if they really want to snag the mainstream audience, forget about Khan! Get a REALLY popular villain. Get a legend….

Get Mr. Rooney from “Ferris Bueller’s Day Off.”
C’mon, is there anyone who doesn’t like that movie?

70. dmduncan - December 2, 2011

So now JJ is lying? Why? This has got to be the most secretive production team in the history of Star Trek, but if someone gets it right it seems silly to me to go on record DENYING it if you felt like speaking about it.

I mean, to say “no comment” or to say nothing at all I can understand.

But I would not understand DENYING the truth of it if in fact it were true and someone got it right and you, as the director, felt like addressing the issue. I wouldn’t understand it mainly because this is STAR TREK, not the PENTAGON. In fact, we perhaps know more about what DARPA is doing than what JJ is doing with our franchise.

But I cannot say JJ is lying without evidence of that. I need more than somebody’s cynicism to conclude that.

I take him at his word right now.

71. James - December 2, 2011

You guys also forget, anything they do is new for the general public. The main target demographic for this reboot series is “Joe Popcorn” and not fans. This reboot series is for new fans and has created new fans rather anybody likes it or not.

72. boborci - December 2, 2011

Having deja vu. So will you when i tell you that i can deny nothing because the next rumor that comes along, if i dont deny it, indicates it may br true. Actually difficult for me to watch and not be able to say anything useful. But fun, too.

73. Gary A. Neumann - December 2, 2011

oh bob ;) !!! Saludos!

74. Keachick - rose pinenut - December 2, 2011

JJ Abrams is quoted as saying “not true”. That is good. I, for the record, have not been one of those saying that they should not redo Khan because of the death of Ricardo Montalban. Actually I would think that Del Toro may see it quite an honour if he was asked to play such an iconic character who was played so well by the late Ricardo Montalban. However, I believe that Del Toro is not playing Khan for totally different reasons.

What people get confused about is the difference between having a movie dealing with one or more of a number of races, as opposed to an individual and his small group. The Klingons in the TOS 23rd century had an Empire and were a definite force to be reckoned with. It is like doing a movie dealing with the time of the Cold War and failing to mention the Soviet Russians.

Now that JJ Abrams has said who Del Toro will not be playing, I don’t suppose there is a chance in hell that he will be reveal who Del Toro will be playing. Oh wait, he should probably first tell the actor himself. Why would you want to sign on THAT dotted line when you don’t know anything about who you are playing, other than he’s some bad dude? Yes, but how bad – deranged? a psychopath? a sadist? a con man? I think that Del Toro surely knows who he is playing by now but he can’t say. Only don’t go asking him. That’s not fair.

Now, Bob Orci and co. – remember that group photo of the magnificent seven or better still our super 8 for Christmas.

See it as a way of compensating us for our undying patience, understanding, loyalty and non-abusive and uncritical comment…hang on, scratch that “non-abusive and…” bit, but you know what I mean…:)

75. Harry Ballz - December 2, 2011

Just because you Khan do something doesn’t mean you should!

76. Admiral_BlackCat - December 2, 2011

Harry, too bad you Khan’t take back that comment. It was kinda lame. ;)

77. Gorn Born - December 2, 2011

Why can’t Paramount put out some non-spoiler description of who the villain(s) is (are) so that we can know this basic information and just move on? Unless there is some major spoiler about knowing who the villain is, how is releasing this information any different from telling people who the villain is going to be in the next Batman/James Bond/whatever movie?

It gets very irritating that they (Abrams, or whoever) play these games constantly.

78. dmduncan - December 2, 2011

72. boborci – December 2, 2011

But according to HitFix JJ is denying. He said it was “not true” according to them.

79. Viking - December 2, 2011

#72 Bob – you just love coming here and poking everyone with a semantic stick, don’t you? LOL

80. Keachick - rose pinenut - December 2, 2011

#63 – “And J.J. Abrams is lying guys sorry. It’s literally part of his job to do so.”

Really? I thought JJ Abrams’ job, in terms of Star Trek, is to produce and direct. I had no idea that Zack Snyder and JJ Abrams are the same people or that one would naturally copy what the other does.

“J.J. Abrams isn’t going to say ‘Oh yeah you got me, it’s Khan.’ This even makes sense based on what Variety said about the main villain being familiar to Trek fans.”

What is this obsession with Khan? He is not the only villain familiar to Star Trek fans. There are any number of other bad guys from the TOS era. It does not make any more sense than assuming that the villain is any other character. Everyone is guessing at this point, including the paparazzi media! I think that the one character we know now that Del Toro will NOT be playing is actually KHAN. Great!

Yes, Bob – I suspected that you are having fun with all this…:-) with everyone trying to work out who Del Toro and Alice Eve will be playing.

Hey, is *Del Toro’s older mentor a woman, by any chance? It is an unfortunate fact that women have proven themselves to be either very good or very bad people and everything in between, just like men. So how about that character being an older woman?

81. Commodore KorTar - December 2, 2011

Hey Bob, I know you cannot confirm or deny any rumors at this early stage in production, but can you at least tell us how long before we know Del Toro has or hasn’t signed on, and when the villain role will be revealed?

82. Bucky - December 2, 2011

Abrams is cagey and evasive. He never flat out lies. Think for a second, if it was Khan then wouldn’t this be remembered, and hounded, about on the press tour for the flick for, like, forever?

83. dmduncan - December 2, 2011

Look. It’s possible that HitFix is lying. But giving them the benefit of the doubt, they quoted JJ as saying “not true” with respect to the rumor that Del Toro was playing Khan.

Now, if Del Toro IS playing Khan, then it’s hard to wriggle out of that being a lie. If he is lying, well as lies go it’s not a monumentally important one.

But I think the unspoken “rules” of the game are that if a secret is breeched you either say nothing at all about it, or if you elect to speak you speak the truth.

Otherwise I think it’s a violation of fairness. Again, it’s about Star Trek, so it’s not a big deal. But if he lied then he at least deserves a nougie…maybe even a strong wedgie.

84. Viking - December 2, 2011

Bob, the most important question that’s never been answered is: how many fermentation tanks does it really take to contain the Enterprise’s anti-matter? :-)

85. James - December 3, 2011

@79Really? I thought JJ Abrams’ job, in terms of Star Trek, is to produce and direct. I had no idea that Zack Snyder and JJ Abrams are the same people or that one would naturally copy what the other does.

Don’t be a smart ass. Christopher Nolan has lied too. It is literally PART of the job description to deny and lie about something you want to be kept secret for now. Zack Snyder isn’t the only one who has done this so the “same people” remark holds no water. Lots of actors, producers, and directors do this in the industry. Yes it’s possible that this time J.J. Abrams isn’t lying, but don’t hold J.J. Abrams as some saint film maker that would never lie about anything while working in the industry. Plus Latino Review said to expect rebuttals and denials so we’ll see I guess.

86. Capt. of the U.S.S. Anduril - December 3, 2011

In the words of Michael J. Fox as Marty McFly, “No. Oh please, God NO! Oh please, please God no! This can’t be happening! This CAN’T be happening!”

87. Admiral_BlackCat - December 3, 2011

If Del Toro hasn’t officially signed on to star in STXII then any comment on what character he will be playing can, in fact, be considered “Not true.” He can’t play Khan until he signs, so JJ might not be lying.

88. James - December 3, 2011

Lots of other film makers have lied and nobody questioned them about it after wards, strangely enough lol, at least not to my knowledge.

89. TrekMadeMeWonder - December 3, 2011

This forum has made me feel s-o-o-o-o much better.

Please no K-man. Please something original, or fix the universe. Please.

OK. Here’s my compromise, If we have to have the K-man, then let them fix the universe too!

90. Johnnyb807 - December 3, 2011

@BobOrci I think your comment (#72) formed a perfect circle, or if not perfect per-se, then at least I could calculate the value of PIE off of it. In light of you having stepped on your dick by commenting on the TrekMovie forums during ST: 2009, I totally get it. I made a similar comment to yours about Deja Vu on Facebook and David Gerrold responded by calling it, “Deja Re-Vu” or something to that effect. Couldn’t help laughing at that. Nice guy that DG by-the-by, not nearly as curmudgeonly as he would have you think. Since ST: 2012 (I’m gonna call it 2012 cause 13 is bad luck dude & I got a sailors superstition thing workin here) is barely in pre-production I look forward to reading exactly how circular you can get in the next 2 years, LOL. Incidentally, the ST: 2009 Kirk scene got me pretty emotional just by reading it. It was emotional enough to get to see Spock Prime one last time, so reading the Kirk Prime scene … I had a hard time keeping it together. You were right, it would have worked. Because of your position on that scene, I sometimes think that YOU personally understand US; meaning the heart and soul of those who value Star Trek & why it means so much to so many. I can’t speak for The Many or even The Few, but just the one…and I CAN say that I trust you to protect what has become so dear to all of us. After all, It has meant enough to so many that they are still telling stories in the Star Trek Universe 45 years later. No pressure though ;) …

91. Johnnyb807 - December 3, 2011

@BobOrci I think your comment (#72) formed a perfect circle, or if not perfect per-se, then at least I could calculate the value of PIE off of it. In light of you having stepped on your dick by commenting on the TrekMovie forums during ST: 2009, I totally get it. I made a similar comment to yours about Deja Vu on Facebook and David Gerrold responded by calling it, “Deja Re-Vu” or something to that effect. Couldn’t help laughing at that. Nice guy that DG by-the-by, not nearly as curmudgeonly as he would have you think. Since ST: 2012 (I’m gonna call it 2012 cause 13 is bad luck dude & I got a sailors superstition thing workin here) is barely in pre-production I look forward to reading exactly how circular you can get in the next 2 years, LOL. Incidentally, the ST: 2009 Kirk scene got me pretty emotional just by reading it. It was emotional enough to get to see Spock Prime one last time, so reading the Kirk Prime scene … I had a hard time keeping it together. You were right, it would have worked. Because of your position on that scene, I sometimes think that YOU personally understand US; meaning the heart and soul of those who value Star Trek & why it means so much to so many. I can’t speak for The Many or even The Few, but just the one…and I CAN say that I trust you to protect what has become so dear to all of us. After all, It has meant enough to so many that they are still telling stories in the Star Trek Universe 45 years later. No pressure though ;) …

92. Keachick - rose pinenut - December 3, 2011

There is nothing to fix!

What makes the lives of people living in this alternate universe, including these main characters, less valid, important and valuable? If the universe is fixed somehow, do these people in this timeline die? If so, then attempting to “fix” it would be tantamount to genocide on a massive scale.

93. Keachick - rose pinenut - December 3, 2011

#88 Barely in pre-production? I don’t think so. There has been “soft-prep”, as Bob Orci described it, going for a good part of this year and once JJ Abrams officially signed on as director in September, then pre-production proper started in earnest. It is less than six weeks now from when filming is meant to start.

I trust that all will be ready to start filming proper by 15 January 2012, Bob. I hope there have been hiccups/delays nor will there be. The puffles need to be in those two trailers by 1/15/12 as well…:)

13 is only bad when it occurs on a Friday – Friday the 13th – Black Friday.

A baker’s dozen means 13 as in one for good luck or in case the baker miscounted and he had only baked 11 instead of 12.

94. boborci - December 3, 2011

84. the fermentation tanks merely supply booze for the crew and have nothing to do with antimatter.

95. TrekMadeMeWonder - December 3, 2011

Hmmm, Keachick. Spock was often happy to recite the line “the good of the many outweighs the needs of the few.

Think of ST09 for a second.

They blew up Romulus. They blew up Vulcan. and yes, they blew up the whole timeline.

That’s what they need to fix. For the good of the many!

And as for the Genocide thought. Your words made me think about Picard in “Best of Both Worlds.” Not good enough, damn it!” We all know where Picard stood when the big decision was made. And I only quote this Next Gen ep because it was one of the FEW that were watchable.

96. T.'. - December 3, 2011

OK, he’s not playing Khan, but apparently its a well known ST character. I’m thinking that means one of the following:

1. Kor — My number one choice, meaning we get “Errand of Mercy” redux, perhaps the entire TOS Klingon “arc”
2. Gary Mitchell — Gary could be what we haven’t had in years, an ongoing ST adversary, if he manages to survive a new version of “Where no man has gone before.”
3. Commodore Decker — Doomsday Machine, dig it!
4. Romulan Commander — From “Balance of Terror”, natch, but this is unlikely, given they just did a Romulan adversary in ST 2009.

Now, if anyone is reading IDW’s series, we might be able to construct some hypotheticals from the stories they are recreating from TOS.

T.’.

97. Anthony Pascale - December 3, 2011

But Bob, isn’t it dangerous to have Scotty in such close proximity to that much booze?

98. TrekMadeMeWonder - December 3, 2011

Boborci, I trust that will be enjoying all of this discussion because for all the time you have had to come up with this storyline, it will most certainly be one of the most enjoyable Star Trek movies ever to watch.

Or else.

99. boborci - December 3, 2011

Thats why they keep it away from engineering!

100. T.'. - December 3, 2011

#94– Starfleet’s unfortunate flirtation with mass, multi-species alcoholism continues.

T.’.

101. Bart - December 3, 2011

Missing the science fiction in Star Trek we had during many TNG episodes… Now it is only about a villain, a new love interest for Kirk, Khan… Please, Star Trek is more than that.

The most succesfull episodes and mivie didn’t even have ‘a villain': the voyage home, the better TNG episodes. Even the Borg started as a mysterious force, a hive mind, until they messed it up an decided to have the Borg Queen as a villain.

Please ve creative and make some truely good science fiction!

102. Jim Nightshade - December 3, 2011

ah HA bob orci n anthony-So that is what scottys lil ale-inn buddy keenser is doing on top of the fermentation tanks–hes like an oompa loopa making booze instead of candy! and i thought he had no real purpose u know like jar jar`…maybe they are making wine too check keensers feet are they purple?

103. Diggin up bones - December 3, 2011

Hell, why not Khan? We’ve got a new Kirk, a new McCoy, etc. Why not a new Khan? I kind of like seeing classic characters brought back to life. Like Pike. And you never know what’s gonna happen to them this time around (see Vulcan, planet of).

104. Lord Garth, Formerly of Izar - December 3, 2011

Watching the Name of The Rose whilst half asleep gives me a headache

And this gives me a headache

105. Metzner - December 3, 2011

• The Orion Syndicate as the villains
• Large all-star cast as well as many cameos
• More planets
• Larger space battles with more starships
• Kirk having better fighting skills
• Kirk having several human love interests played by Hollywood’s most beautiful young actresses
• The Star Trek theme music from the Insurrection end credits used at the end

106. Will_H - December 3, 2011

While I think he would make a good Khan, I don’t think there should be another Khan. I hope the fact that he’s denied the rumor means that we’re safe from Star Trek II: the Reusing of Khan.

107. njdss4 - December 3, 2011

“No! Oh, please God no!” – Marty McFly

108. Mork from the planet Ork - December 3, 2011

In the picture at the top of the page he looks so much like a TOS Klingon to me. Hopefully he will be Kor, Kang or Koloth. A retelling of Trouble With Tribbles would be cool, he could get Avery Brooks & Terry Farrell to wander about in the background too. ;-)

109. GO - December 3, 2011

The problem here isn’t whether or not the villain in the upcoming sequel is Khan or not.. it is that a villain is even being considered to begin with!

Make Star Trek what it’s supposed to be. Good, cold, thinking Sci Fi with a shot of humor.

The “tequila cocktail” concocted for the 2009 movie may have been fleetingly pleasant (simply for the reason that we got to see our beloved Enterprise crew resurrected in all its youth and glory), but plot-wise it was a shambles and I, for one, suspect it won’t stand the test of time as well as the older Trek classics have.

Please. No villain!

110. GO - December 3, 2011

That was of course meant to be “The problem here isn’t whether or not the villain in the upcoming sequel is Khan” period (“or not” slipped in at the end by mistake).

No villain!

111. Bart - December 3, 2011

No villain!

112. Trekkie626 - December 3, 2011

He just looks so much like Jon Colicos, my money is on Kor.

113. Basement Blogger - December 3, 2011

@ 69 Vultan says,

“Get Mr. Rooney from “Ferris Bueller’s Day Off.”

Ha, ha, ha.

114. Basement Blogger - December 3, 2011

You know J.J. Abrams wants his Star Trek to be like Star Wars. How about Jar Jar Binks as the villain.?

115. CmdrR - December 3, 2011

What a waste of four years on our parts, if all they’re going to do is remake a movie we already love.

116. Devon - December 3, 2011

“What a waste of four years on our parts, if all they’re going to do is remake a movie we already love.”

Which they are not doing.

117. Brian L - December 3, 2011

For much the same reason I didn’t see the reboot I see no solid reasons in this article for seeing the sequel

118. Mel - December 3, 2011

Good to hear, that he won’t play Khan. Hopefully he also won’t play a Klingon. Klingons were done to death in Star Trek. I don’t want them in the movie.

119. Em - December 3, 2011

Hey brainless morons who don’t know enough to question what you read…..
They aren’t going to redo Kahn .

120. Hugh Hoyland - December 3, 2011

Im saying its Khan 100% I’ll bet money on it! And if Bob doesnt say anything about this post it confirms it without doubt! ;]

Or I could be wrong and hes playing Kang…….or an Orion slave girl.

121. Derf - December 3, 2011

@96 good post; dusting off some cobwebs. Balance of Terror would be fun. Errand of Mercy would actually be a pretty interesting choice with everything going on in the world, lot of little things they could explore within the context of that story.

And with ‘all’ the choices, they get to tell it differently after they introduce the characters and we all say “ah…this one!”, and then it doesn’t go as we expect. Seems like you could ask a lot of “What if Kirk made a different choice back then?” or “What if something prevented the person that made the crucial decision before from being in the right place at the right time and someone else made the decision?”

Or…he could be the Horta. /shrug

122. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - December 3, 2011

Del Toro will play Andorian Shran. He is not dead yet.

123. P Technobabble - December 3, 2011

On the one hand, I don’t think Khan will be the villain.
On the other hand, I could be wrong.
If it turns out that Khan is the villain, I’m pretty confident we won’t be seeing a remake of TWOK. I don’t think this movie would look anything like that movie. If Khan is the villain, I’m pretty confident the writers have already taken into account some of the “don’t put Khan in” sentiment that’s been going around for a year or so. This is precisely why, if they decided to go with Khan, they would take this in a totally different direction.
If Khan is not the villain, my attitude is “Yay!”
I think we have to expect lots of misdirection and denying the denials kind of stuff coming from the Court anyway.
No matter, when the film FINALLY comes out, I’ll be there…

124. ripleyaeryn - December 3, 2011

I’m happy that Benicio Del Toro won’t play Khan. Another less popular villain would be better for the sequel.

125. Magic_Al - December 3, 2011

I think Khan could be done, but it would have to be different and good on its own merits. Like the Pegasus being found by Galactica, Star Trek is arguably incomplete without Khan and Kirk facing off. Canon would seem to require that Khan’s reappearance would be a remake of Space Seed, not of The Wrath of Khan. There’s no revenge motive and so no Moby Dick quotes. What Khan represents is an opportunity for a great actor to play a great character. The many attempts to copy Khan in Star Trek movies were lacking partly because they mimicked only Khan’s later, unstoppable obsession. Space Seed featured a more rounded Khan: charming, seductive, confident, ambitious, admirable in dark ways. The Khan of The Wrath of Khan is powerful but also pathetic, throwing away everything for nothing. It would also change things up to have Khan be played by an Indian actor to match his written ethnicity. Anyone with a Spanish accent will be playing Montalban playing Khan.

126. Ted C - December 3, 2011

JJ and his writers are pretty creative guys. I doubt they would simply rehash something that’s already been done. I think someone is pulling these rumors out of their TWOK.

127. somethoughts - December 3, 2011

Since it’s not Khan, It most likely will be a TOS Rebooted Klingon or
Decker.

128. somethoughts - December 3, 2011

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Matt_Decker

USS Enterprise vs USS Constellation epic battle

129. Jamziz - December 3, 2011

Just make sure he’s got a more tangible back story this time around (that perhaps isn’t explained through 3 minutes of flashbacks and inserted dialogue) !

130. BitterTrekkie - December 3, 2011

Kinda late for Trek fans to start complaining about doing retreads of beloved characters now don’t you think?

131. Craiger - December 3, 2011

I read one of the comments over at Latino Review and it said the Synder denied Zod wouldn’t be in Man of Steel and Nolan denied the Joker wouldn’t be in Batman and he said looked what happened their. If they do decide to take this route and redo classic TOS episodes for the movie series I am torn between been their done that and would it be cool to see a new take on it?

132. Gordon Ramsey's knife - December 3, 2011

Ya know wat would chaff Lucas’s azz….James Earl Jones as computer voice

133. Peon - December 3, 2011

I really hope Latino Review is incorrect, actually. Benicio, who I like a lot, is not who I would’ve picked for Khan. Khan’s supposed to be from India and Ricardo Montalban was able to pull it off, despite being Mexican. But now, why pick another Mexican actor? You guys couldn’t find an Indian actor that matched Khan’s profile in THIS day and age? Come on man!

134. Weerd1 - December 3, 2011

Breakaway Andorian trying to take advantage of the destruction of Vulcan?

135. Roobydoo - December 3, 2011

Long shot — Del Toro as Stonn and Ms. Eve as T’Pring.

136. Phil - December 3, 2011

I’m trusting, praying that the writers, producers, studios, and anyone and everyone in management knows that the fastest way to ensure that there is never a Trek 13 will be to dust off an old episode of TOS and make a movie out of it for Trek 12. If they do the opposite of everything that has been suggested here, everything will be fine. If they don’t, you end up with Green Hornet.

137. alec - December 3, 2011

Khan’s been done to death: over and over again. Let’s have the Klingons. They hardly appear in any of the shows or films. Space Seed and TWOK are really good; so let’s stay away from them. No stories there left to tell…!!!!!!!

Why pay X million to a big A-list star and then hide him in makeup?

Why avoid Star Trek’s best villain, by a mile, who’s only appeared twice? If the joker and blofeld are ok to revist, why not Khan, the genetically engineered super-baddie?

Why not accept the fact that a story with Khan in it would be no more of a rehash of an old story than one with any Klingon or gorn. It would be a new story with semi-familiar characters; i.e.., like everything else in this timeline.

reports can get things wrong. JJ can tease and surprise. All in all, I hope Khan is in Star Trek 12.

138. Phil - December 3, 2011

The Khan rumor has been largely fueled by the message boards. Everything that has come out of management has suggested fresh material. Think about it, a foreign language paper needs background for an entertainment story, and they Google BDT – what do you suppose pops up, hundreds of comments about Kahn. You bang out a quick story, don’t bother to fact check it, and suddenly rumors have been confirmed. Not.

139. Harry Ballz - December 3, 2011

94. boborci

“the fermentation tanks merely supply booze for the crew and have nothing to do with antimatter”

Bob, if the crew drinks enough of what’s IN those tanks, won’t that lead to WHATSITMATTER?

140. Eric Cheung - December 3, 2011

What happened to the possibility of not having a villain per se? It looked promising that this might be a film where the conflict is driven by something else, a problem to solve, be it scientific, political, or internal.

I still think a slightly episodic movie a la Master and Commander, or Judgement Rites or A Final Unity would’ve been a good movie to do, setting a tone of normalcy to subvert later.

Also, as was said in 131. Ricardo Montalban was cast as Khan in the 60s because it was an era in which ethnic veracity wasn’t exactly a high priority. Alec Guinness Mickey Rooney were still playing Asians, so it was lucky this was Star Trek and they were used to casting people that weren’t white or we wouldn’t have gotten Montalban!

Now Khan is said to be a mix of Earth’s ethnicities, but from Northern India. Benecio Del Toro is an incredible actor, but surely there are no shortage of incredible Bollywood actors who have the presence and gravitas to pull it off, one who would even be the worldwide box-office draw that could help the international box office.

141. Paul - December 3, 2011

JJ & co are smart enough to know using Khan would be a poor idea I trust them all to come up with something more original than that they have no need to revisit TOS anyway as that universe was altered so why bother just give us new & original everytime!

142. navamske - December 3, 2011

The irony is that although he was played by a Latino actor, Khan is actually a South Asian. So casting another Latino in the role doesn’t really make a lot of sense.

143. Platitude - December 3, 2011

No remake of Khan, just Klingons. Please and thank you.

144. VZX - December 3, 2011

Dang, I hope so. I’m cool with re-doing villains that make sense, such as Zod in Man of Steel and Joker in Dark Knight, but Khan just doesn’t lend itself to being redone. I mean, first of all having a villain hell-bent on revenge and destruction is too much like Nero, so why do it again? Also, how would they give Khan a reasonable motivation to go after Kirk in a short time in the movie?

I’m also not a fan of the Borg rumors. I still say Klingons make sense. A whole lot of sense. It it what the general public knows about Trek, and that what they are going for.

Maybe Del Toro will be Arne Darvin?

145. DaiMonRon - December 3, 2011

I read somewhere (probably in the comments on this site) that the Tribbles were going to be featured in the sequel (probably a rumor).

However, since then, everytime I look at del Toro, all I see is Syrano Jones!

Now, I know that the Jones we all know and love from the prime universe isn’t exactly a villian, but imagine the twist JJ and Co could put on him and the Tribbles…..

146. Quatlo - December 3, 2011

The alternate universe bunch have better priorities. The building of any interstellar conveyance definitely should place emphasis on proper ethanol production. They also grow their own medicinal herbs. Synthahol and synthacannabis be damned to the infernal realms.

147. Harry Ballz - December 3, 2011

144. “synthacannabis”

Well, I’m sure by the 23rd Century, the GREEN MOVEMENT will be very popular!

148. Captain Peabody - December 3, 2011

I think del Toro would make quite a good Kang, of a nastier, Augment-virused, Soviet-Style Klingon Empire. Or, you know, some other Klingon with a new name. But I can definitely see the Klingon in him.

149. Admiral Archer's Prize Beagle - December 3, 2011

97: Don’t even get me started on Scotty!!!

99: Bob, you can keep the fermentation tanks out of engineering, but you can’t keep the engineer…

(Just sayin’)

150. SciFiGuy - December 3, 2011

I’m hungry for some Del Taco…

151. Nano - December 3, 2011

99% oppose the Khan in the next film, it’s time for a “Occupy the Bridge” movement.
Please Bob categorically deny there is NO Khan – Please

I would much rather see Eagle Eye in space with Gary 7 and some crazy Spaceship chase through the Alpha Quadrant :)

152. NCM - December 3, 2011

boborci;

It would do no harm to back JJ and deny the rumor (if it’s without merit). You could add that you won’t confirm/deny any further rumors, and be sure we’ll remind each other of your pledge from here on out; voila, you’ll be off the hook!

It’s a win-win proposal, and if that’s not enough, it’s the season of giving. Don’t pass up this gift giving opportunity! We need something. We’ve had so little… waited so long! Forget, for the moment, how undeserving we are and appreciate our one fine, shared quality: loyal devotion to Trek.

Please, don’t make me beg:)

153. Viking - December 3, 2011

99 Bob – probably for the best. I bet that l’il fella Keenser would be a handful if he found out where the taps were. :-)

154. ctcraig - December 3, 2011

Not a fan of a Khan reboot. But what if it’s not Kirk who frees the sleeper but someone else, “years ago”. And now this Khan is a match for this new Kirk

155. chrisfawkes.com - December 3, 2011

Khan was in the first Abrams film, they just named him Nero. Not to mention the last team named him Shinzon.

Lets not rewrite wrath of Khan for every trek movie to ever be made from now on.

I do hope they don’t do it but sometimes the obvious is not obvious to the guys making movies. For example, Iron man 1 pitts the hero against a villain in an Iron suit also powered by his super energized ring thing. Iron man 2 pitts the hero against villains in iron suits powered by his super energized ring thing.

No one, not the director, not the producers, non of the actors stopped and said “hey, this is the same story we did last time”.

If Ironman 2 had been a team production for the apprentice somebody’s butt would have been fired for what anyone would have thought were bloody obvious reasons. I’d love to have heard the blame shifting in that board meeting.

156. Odkin - December 3, 2011

THERE IS NO KHAN
BUT MONTALBAN!

157. chrisfawkes.com - December 3, 2011

@75

LOL

158. Captain Dunsel - December 3, 2011

@72 boborci

We have located an actual photograph of Bob Orci, considering the question of ST rumors…

http://crayfisher.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/schultz.jpg

159. the Dogfaced Boy - December 3, 2011

I was hoping they would use Khan AND have a completely original script. If they can’t do an original script because they are using an established character, then, since they are using Kirk and Spock, they must just be renaking 2009 anyway.

160. Buzz Cagney - December 3, 2011

#69 anybody? Anybody?

Seems there isn’t, Vults. ;))

(great movie. I haven’t seen it in a few years. I heard the music used during that somewhat surreal Gallery scene the other day. Does anybody know what it is called by any chance? Its kind of haunting and just reminds me so much of that film)

161. Wes - December 3, 2011

Let the Khan rumors fly again and thanks to JJ for making them untrue. Khan Noonien Singh is a character that is best left in the past, and I have said this CONSTANTLY! Ricardo Montalban is the only actor who could play him and that a new Khan would destroy everything Montalban tried to do in the television episode and the movie, which consistently ranks as one the best, if not the best, Star Trek movie. I still think the villains in this one are Klingons and we have Del Toro playing a very familiar Klingon… Kor. Now, that character deserves a new twist and even though John Colicos did exceptionally well with the role in both the original series and Deep Space Nine, it deserves new life.

162. Vultan - December 3, 2011

#157

Is this the song, Buzz?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1gEzv0FJNs

“Bueller…? Bueller…?”

:D

163. Ivory - December 3, 2011

Glad it’s not Khan. My guess is that he will be one of the Kligons from TOS.

164. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

138: “What happened to the possibility of not having a villain per se? It looked promising that this might be a film where the conflict is driven by something else, a problem to solve, be it scientific, political, or internal.”

Lorenzo’s Oil in Space? I’m sorry, but that just sounds too much like a TV episode. I don’t think anybody but a subset (Star Trek fans) within a very small subset of average moviegoers (Star Trek fans) is interested in that.

Where does conflict come from in real life? Solving a scientific problem may be wonderful, but that’s not universal enough material for a big budget movie, and it’s unlikely to yield circumstances whereby the full range of dramatic possibilities and expression of human emotion can be explored in a way that has broad appeal.

When the hands and cheers go up at Mission Control after a Mars lander successfully touches down, that may be extremely dramatic and satisfying to those who gave so much of their life and time to make that a reality, but it is much less so to the majority of people who didn’t devote what they did to it, so the interest there is not as broad, and Star trek needs to have broad appeal to average moviegoers.

The Genesis device was great. But you still needed Khan to make the wrath.

Even TMP was about an entity that was villainous in its ignorance. Stories about anthropomorphic conflict sell because it’s one of the most important things we have to deal with in our lives.

Instead, I hope that how the conflict gets resolved, whomever Del Toro is playing, is different than it ordinarily is in typical bad guy films.

165. Vultan - December 3, 2011

#157

I also found a video of Benicio Del Toro trying to decide whether or not he’ll be in the next Trek movie. Check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdcFYNe9U7A

166. DeShonn Steinblatt - December 3, 2011

I don’t know. Latino Review has a considerably better track record than Hitfix.

And I find it suspicious that Bob won’t confirm what his co-creator is alleged to have said.

167. Phil - December 3, 2011

@ 161…I thought Apollo 13 was a pretty good movie…..

168. Caesarjon - December 3, 2011

My bet is Abrams will invent a new character. No one ever heard of Nero before the remake.

169. Rico - December 3, 2011

So JJ says he is not Khan. That’s pretty good confirmation to me. Benicio would make a good Klingon!

170. Vultan - December 3, 2011

#161

And don’t forget “The Right Stuff.”

Space exploration, scientific problems, human drama, government satire, and not a baddie in sight.

171. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

164. Phil – December 3, 2011

Sure. Apollo 13, $172 mil lifetime gross, and made more interesting because it was based on a true story. There’s lots of good movies like that. I’m aware of that. It’s also not on my list of favorite movies. And there’s no chance for a sequel. So Star Trek has a different list of considerations to be mindful of.

You can always do a Trek fan’s wetdream of a sequel, and then Paramount, Bob, Alex, and JJ have to live with the consequences.

172. Vultan - December 3, 2011

Well, there goes any chance of an “Apollo 14.”

173. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

The Right Stuff. Another “true” story movie that doesn’t have to worry about a sequel. $21 million gross domestic.

When a Star Trek sequel turns in that kind of box office, then the next sequel gets made by Roger Corman.

174. Jamesspock1 - December 3, 2011

Khaaaaaannnnnnnnn. Why am I not suprised?????????? Re hash, remake, lack of Imagination, and so on, if that whats it turns out to be !!!!!!!!

175. Vultan - December 3, 2011

#170

Wait, I thought the last three Trek movies were made by Corman…

176. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 3, 2011

So now which is the rumor, that he is playing Khan or that he isn’t? Now Bob, by verifying JJ you aren’t devulging anything he has already revealed. So what say you?

177. DeShonn Steinblatt - December 3, 2011

116.
Never claim you didn’t see Star Trek 1. It reveals how the fans have no effect on the box offfice.

178. Buzz Cagney - December 3, 2011

#159 YES, thats it, Vults. Thank you my friend.
I’ve been on iTunes and I can’t seem to find the instrumental only version. Is it available do you know?

179. richpit - December 3, 2011

It might just be me, but I think JJ deserves a little more respect for being original and creating good, thoughtful characters.

He created Alias, a great show with amazing characters. He created (or co-created) LOST….another fine example of originality and great characters.

I know there’s another example, but I’m drawing a blank.

180. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

169. Vultan – December 3, 2011

No realistic chance. Feel better? Apollo 13 was made in 1995. 16 years ago.

Of course you could always try to raise the funds on Kickstarter to make it yourself, if you want to prove me wrong.

181. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

172. Vultan – December 3, 2011

#170

Wait, I thought the last three Trek movies were made by Corman…

***

Oh! So then you actually didn’t SEE the last three Trek movies? That explains a lot.

182. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

173: “Now Bob, by verifying JJ you aren’t devulging anything he has already revealed.”

Aah, but by refusing to comment on JJs REPORTED denial, Bob raises doubt about the veracity of the HitFix claim. That Bob will not back up his director at least creates the IMPRESSION that HitFix is wrong, which may be what the slippery Boborci intends. ;-)

So we always seem to end up back where we started. We put a few points on the Scoreboard of Facts, but the day always closes with the points coming back OFF.

183. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

Bob is a ninja using smoke bombs and mirrors, which he probably picked up from David Copperfield in Vegas. ;-)

184. Vultan - December 3, 2011

#175

I don’t know, Buzz. You might try iTunes or Amazon for the soundtrack.

185. Vultan - December 3, 2011

#177

I was joking. Try investing in a sense of humor.

186. jas_montreal - December 3, 2011

@boborci

If Khan is the villain in the sequel, then i will forever love you guys !

KHANNNNNNN

187. Khan was Framed! - December 3, 2011

As long as the Borg NEVER appear in a movie against Kirk, I’m good with any TOS bad guy.

Starfleet simply haven’t explored far enough to encounter them at this point in history. That shouldn’t be rewritten just because the Kelvin was destroyed.

So no TNG bad guys please! Yes to Khan. Yes to Harry Mudd. Yes to Kor. Yes to the Gorn, as long as they look like Gorn, not that horrible version done in the deleted Rura Pente scenes of ST’09.

188. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

Well, for whatever reason, these guys are really secretive about Star Trek , and JJ is secretive about everything. Why? Well, it’s fun to be the protector of the secrets, but there’s a also a good creative reason involved as well.

Keeping what you are working on secret creates the energy and motivation you need to do your best work. And since they have a tight group of secrets keepers to bounce ideas around within, they can reflect and accelerate that energy off each other into the sort of tightly focused sense of purpose that makes great things happen.

So I think they need to do things this way. And again, yeah, it’s fun watching us scurry around with all the clues and non clues to see what we make of them.

Fun for us too, no?

189. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 3, 2011

dmducan, so Bob’s trying do damage control then? Undo what’s been done. Just when we were getting somewhere.

190. number6 - December 3, 2011

So they’re remaking Khan?

191. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

182. Vultan – December 3, 2011

#177

I was joking. Try investing in a sense of humor.

***

So was I. Sarcastic humor, same as yours, but still humor.

192. Pierre - December 3, 2011

Viral marketing.

Works great.

193. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

186. moauvian waoul – aka: seymour hiney – December 3, 2011

dmducan, so Bob’s trying do damage control then? Undo what’s been done. Just when we were getting somewhere.

***

Bob has been an excellent keeper of the secrets because he’s smart and he knows what we can do with a little bit of confirmed information. It’s actually a compliment to how smart he thinks we are that he refuses to confirm or deny the slightest detail of any rumor.

194. James Cathcart - December 3, 2011

To Bob Orci…

I cannot fathom the amount of discipline it must take to keep your peace when you see so much silly speculation about your story.

Your tongue must be constantly traumatized with all the biting it must endure.

I salute you sir…good luck on this monumental project, and thanks for all your hard work. Trek is in the best of hands.

195. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 3, 2011

dmducan, ” It’s actually a compliment to how smart he thinks we are that he refuses to confirm or deny the slightest detail of any rumor.”

That’s only because he hasn’t met me.

196. boborci - December 3, 2011

191. Thanks! Tis bitten indeed!

197. Harry Ballz - December 3, 2011

179, dmduncan “but the day always closes with the points coming back OFF”

dmduncan, you’re suggesting Bob Orci is telling us, the fans, to BACK OFF? :>)

198. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 3, 2011

I’ve tried to prove it here nearly everyday. After I secure that walk-on spot in the movie, he’ll be convinced. If that doesn’t work I’ll set the self-destruct mechanism on th bridge Remind me again… 000 Destruct something or other.

199. Harry Ballz - December 3, 2011

Bob knows that we know if he tells what he knows we will know….well…err..nothing!

200. Harry Ballz - December 3, 2011

Bob, I don’t think worlds will collide if you can maybe share with us……did the name Del Trame (BND) make it into the script?

201. Joe Sidney - December 3, 2011

191- Yes!

202. Phil - December 3, 2011

@ 168. Apparently Apollo 18 was not that successful. Damn conspiracy movies.

Tell you what, I’ll promise not to discuss Trekkies wet dreams if you won’t, too….

203. Vultan - December 3, 2011

#199

Maybe if Apollo 18 had been about a secret Soviet mission to the Moon, it would have been more successful (or at least more believable). Covering up a Saturn V rocket launch is like trying to hide an elephant behind a thimble.

204. Harry Ballz - December 3, 2011

200 POSTS AND WE STILL KNOW NUTHIN!!

205. Phil - December 3, 2011

@210. Nonsense! We know we can’t hide elephants behind thimbles!

206. Shamelord - December 3, 2011

@201. Del Toro will play the son of Khan. Now we know something!

207. Harry Ballz - December 3, 2011

204.

Phil, for that elephant crack, all I can say is……….tusk, tusk.

208. Vultan - December 3, 2011

#202

:D

Setting it behind ye olde Iron Curtain seems like a no-brainer when it comes to secret space missions. There’s all sorts of urban legends of “lost cosmonauts” and the like. And then there’s this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almaz

209. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

Speculating about the sequel IS silly. But it’s a silliness this site was created to indulge.

If you would all rather discuss the possible consequences of the National Defense Authorization Act instead, I would be happy to go there too. I sense, however, that’s inappropriate to do here. So I guess I’m S.O.S. — Stuck On Silly.

Then again, I listened to a speech recently from some guy who died a while back quoting an Athenian lawmaker who said citizens shouldn’t shrink from controversy, and I knew he was right.

Trekmovie is within society and counts citizens among its members. So what should be the discussion? Is Trekmovie a little bubble of insularity in a world roiling in change?

210. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

195. moauvian waoul – aka: seymour hiney – December 3, 2011

dmducan, ” It’s actually a compliment to how smart he thinks we are that he refuses to confirm or deny the slightest detail of any rumor.”

That’s only because he hasn’t met me.

***

LOL! You gonna try that again, will you?

211. Hat Rick - December 3, 2011

Just read the article. Okay, that’s probably a “no” for a WRATH OF KHAN (2013).

Whew. Glad that’s over with.

212. Nick Cook - December 3, 2011

I could see Del Toro as Khan, but I’d honestly rather see him as Kor or maybe Kang. The idea of a Khan re-tread doesn’t thrill me, so hopefully JJ is being honest in his denial. :)

Wait and see I guess.

213. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

If I sound a bit grumpy, I apologize. Busiest time of year for me, the past two weeks have been punishing, and the NDAA mentioned above isn’t helping me to relax. I suppose life would be easier if I just didn’t care, but I find it hard not to.

Probably one of the benefits I find visiting here is to speculate sill-ily about something that makes me more hopeful.

214. boomer13 - December 3, 2011

Khan or no Khan. Just nice to see Star Trek back on the screen.
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215. Harry Ballz - December 3, 2011

213.

Gosh, dmduncan, it’s hard to distinguish when you’re grumpy! :>)

216. Craiger - December 3, 2011

I don’t get the been their done that with Khan? Isn’t that the same thing with people wanting Del Toro to play Kang or Kor? That’s been their done that also. What’s the difference?

217. Craiger - December 3, 2011

It’s either been their done that or come up with an all new villian.

218. MJ - December 3, 2011

Hey Benecio, how about laying off the pot during the filming of the ST film. Dude, no offense, but some of your photos scream “pothead,” :-)

219. Adolescent Nightmare - December 3, 2011

Rumors are exciting!

220. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

215. Harry Ballz – December 3, 2011

213.

Gosh, dmduncan, it’s hard to distinguish when you’re grumpy! :>)

***

You mean I don”t sound different? I hope so. In reality I’m much more stressed, but if I don’t sound different then I’m successfully leaving it “outside,” which makes me feel better right now!

Thanks Harry. And if I misunderstood what you meant, please do me a favor and keep it to yourself. ;-)

221. PJays - December 3, 2011

This Khan debate reminds me of an old debate from 2008. That is when they decided to recast Kirk & crew. That turned out ok.

For me, they can use Khan. I just want a good story. To me, Khan is a character, not a story. Hopefully he is introduced differently. Maybe the Klingon find him or something like that.

Either way. Being on the new movie!

222. PJays - December 3, 2011

Sorry. That was suppose to be, “Bring on the new movie!”

223. Harry Ballz - December 3, 2011

220.

dmduncan, I don’t think anyone here could ever be disgruntled or put off by your singularly unique clarity of thought. You are one of a kind!

(that’s a compliment, by the way)

224. Christopher Roberts - December 3, 2011

Please no Khan.
Please no Khan.
Please no Khan.
Please no Khan.
Please no Khan.

225. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - December 3, 2011

Ok Bob Orci. If we dumb our selves down would you at least tell us if Khan was going to be in the movie.

226. Dee - lvs moon' surface - December 3, 2011

OK … I believe in J.J. Abrams … … … … :-) ;-) …………… a bit…………

227. Chingatchkook - December 3, 2011

Khan or no Khan, I couldn’t care less. It won’t stop me from going to see the movie one way or another.

I’m betting that Del Toro would be a Klingon. He even looks like one without the makeup.

228. NCM - December 3, 2011

@209 & 213 dmduncan: I know what you mean – and it’s difficult not to bring it to this board because 1) here we discuss things that matter to us and 2) we realize that the things we discuss here are of no real matter — while what’s passing for reality in our real world seems at times surreal:-{

Getting back to the crux of the matter, please don’t encourage boborci to be All Stoic Master of Secrets. Surely he’s much smarter and, more akin to his profession, a better entertainer as Orci Oracle.

229. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - December 3, 2011

Khan no Please!.
Khan no Please!
Khan no Please!
Khan no Please!

230. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

223. Harry Ballz – December 3, 2011

And taken as such! Thank you, sir. I really appreciate that.

231. VulcanFilmCritic - December 3, 2011

I don’t mind Khan. I would like to see a flashback to the Eugenics Wars (which were supposed to have happened in the late 1990’s.) But if the rumor is true, I object to the knee-jerk casting of another Latino into a role that should be filled by an Indian.

The lack of sophistication regarding casting in the late 1960’s can be forgiven, but today to go back to the type of casting prevalent in the early days of Hollywood is beyond dumb; it’s downright racist!

If you’re going to use Mr. Del Toro, would it be a crime to have him play a LATINO? How about a Latino who happens to be one of the genetically engineered supermen who happens to be aboard the S.S. Botany Bay? Now that I WOULD like to see.

Perhaps J.J. Abrams IS telling the truth. We will revisit the S.S. Botany Bay, but Khan will correctly be played by a Sikh (who just happens to resemble Ricardo Montalban) and Mr. Del Toro will be portraying a NEW villain. One more in keeping with his own brand of smoldering sensuality. Perhaps in this universe, Khan becomes a hero, rather than and anti-villain.

232. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - December 3, 2011

To Khan or not to Khan that is the Question!.

233. Cervantes - December 3, 2011

This is great news…if J.J. is telling the truth that is…

Even a Klingon-based storyline will be preferable to a rehash of a character that’s been done so well already.

234. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

228: “Getting back to the crux of the matter, please don’t encourage boborci to be All Stoic Master of Secrets. Surely he’s much smarter and, more akin to his profession, a better entertainer as Orci Oracle.”

I can only surmise why they are so secret.

From my own experience, there is a danger in telling someone your idea and finding them to be underwhelmed. That kind of reaction could sap your own motivation. And there could be many reasons why someone doesn’t think the idea is as great as you do. You could be telling them at a bad time and they just aren’t seeing it as clearly as you are, or they may only be nodding and giving the appearance of listening and understanding, when really they do not.

There could be many reasons why the reaction you get is not a fair appraisal of your idea WITHOUT meaning that your idea is bad. But if you get that kind of reaction, then whatever the reason, fair or not, there is a danger that it can change how you treat the idea, and the energy that you bring to it.

So I do think it is a good idea to be very guarded for as long as possible, just from the standpoint of doing the best job you can do as the writer or director or designer, or whatever.

235. jas_montreal - December 3, 2011

Please Have Khan !
Please Have Khan !
Please Have Khan !
Please Have Khan !
Please Have Khan !
Please Have Khan !
Please Have Khan !

236. Khan was Framed! - December 3, 2011

I dunno.

I’ve been asking myself for years now, would a Space Seed redo with a twist to the plot be a good movie?

And no matter how I envision the plot in my mind, I always answer yes.

This is one of TV & Cinema’s most iconic bad guys of all time.

If these guys can inject a little bit more of the spirit of the original series into their film & give us a visually stunning re-introduction to Khan, I say go for it!

We’ve reopened the TOS can of worms, let’s dig out the juiciest one for part two.

But for part three, please go with Giamatti as Mudd. He’d be amazing.

237. NCM - December 3, 2011

@234 dmduncan – No, no, no! Please stop saying that out loud and in such a serious tone:) Bob needs encouragement … and so do some of us:]. I think orci has to be far more confident than you give him credit for being. Look, if they’ve committed to Khan or any of the other approaches we’ve raked over the coals here, then he has to be either demoralized (by your estimation) or he can barely contain his glee, because he knows he’s going to blow our socks off with the sequel – whether it remakes Khan, or Kor, or anything but the Gorn, tribbles, or Harry Mudd.

238. Keachick - rose pinenut - December 3, 2011

#95 – “yes, they blew up the whole timeline.”

No, they did not blow up any timeline. Another separate new timeline was created and runs along with the original prime time line. This new timeline is where this Trek crew and the various populations inhabiting the many planets now live and breathe. Both universes lost a planet each.

Romulus was devoured by a natural cataclysmic event, which prime Spock was unfortunately too late to prevent. There was no guarantee in the case of Romulus that Spock’s red matter would have worked. Fortunately, it did, otherwise more planets in the prime universe would have been destroyed by the supernova. Vulcan was deliberately destroyed in the newly created timeline by an uninformed crazed, grieving Romulan who had lost EVERYTHING he ever knew and loved. I do not condone Nero’s actions – not one bit. However, what’s done is done.

So what makes one planet’s destruction worse than another? What makes one universe OK/real but another universe not so OK/real, especially as they are presented in this Star Trek movie series?

Somehow I do not think destroying this newly created timeline (if it were possible) qualifies as “the good of the many outweighs the needs of the few.” Anything but!

239. MJ - December 3, 2011

If you all are right, then would JJ directly and on record deny Del Toro is playing Khan???

240. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

237. NCM – December 3, 2011

Oh, I don’t think Bob is demoralized. Like anybody else I think he can be. And if anything can demoralize a writer, I think it’ll be the sorts of things you read in here once you give people a clue about what you are working on and they don’t like it. And I would be very surprised if they didn’t all have the feeling that they are working on something great. They should feel that way, and that is the very feeling I think needs protection.

In fact, Klingons, Khan, Mudd, Talosians — we’ve pretty much covered the options and comments have been filed on all of them, and there have been unpleasant reactions to them all. So whatever story they are doing will probably be one of those options, so Bob probably already knows who is going to complain and what the complaint will be!

But I don’t know any creative person who just gushes the details of their works in progress, and I don’t do it either.

241. MJ - December 3, 2011

NCM, what is the point of debating Bob Orci’s psychological state? I am sure the guy is doing just fine, and does need affirmation here.

242. Basement Blogger - December 3, 2011

Bringing back khan after Star Trek II is considered the best Star Trek movie is a mistake. That’s like remaking a classic and yeah, Hollywood does that. See “Pyscho” remade in 1998. That did not turn out well. I believe J.J. Abrams denying the story that he’s Khan. And let’s face it. The writers on the Supreme Court are very creative people. They want to play in the Star Trek universe. Look at the upcoming video game. It’s a new story. I trust the Supreme Court that this new movie will be a new story. Though a big budget film version of “The Doomsday Machine” would be cool.

The only details I really want to know is if they use a scientific theory I’m not familiar with. Then that way I can research it before the movie comes out just in case the writers decide to skimp on the exposition. See “Source Code” which was an excellent film by the way. But it helped to know something about quantum mechanics. You see I’m a blogger not a physicist. :-)

243. MJ - December 3, 2011

i meant “does not need affirmation here”

244. MJ - December 3, 2011

@242. BB, JJ has confirmed its not Khan. Why is everyone here still saying Khan???

245. Jai - December 3, 2011

I actually came to the same conclusion as VulcanFilmCritic did in #231 while I was chewing this over today. JJ said that Del Toro won’t be playing Khan. But he didn’t say Khan isn’t going to be in the movie.

I’ve suggested this Indian actor before, but here he is again for Trekmovie newbies. This guy is a huge superstar in the Indian film industry, he’s won awards for his performances (most famously for the role of the greatest emperor in Indian history, and previously for the role of a charismatic villain/anti-hero), and he also happens to be a Punjabi just like our friend Khan Noonien Singh.

Here’s a photo of him glaring into the camera. You can just tell it’s Khan silently plotting his conquest of the galaxy (or, in a major twist, turning out to be the unexpected hero of the hour):

http://www.pinkvilla.com/node/140648

And here’s one just for the ladies. Us guys will maintain a stoic macho silence, apart from muttering that this guy makes us look bad and we need to hit the gym a bit more often:

http://blamenews.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/45.jpg

Admit it, folks; that second photo has “genetically-engineered superhuman” written all over it…

246. MJ - December 3, 2011

@245 “JJ said that Del Toro won’t be playing Khan. But he didn’t say Khan isn’t going to be in the movie.”

Hmm…that is a bit of a stretch. Del Toro is the high profile expensive actor they court to play the bad guy in Trek 2, but they are bringing in some Bollywood unknown to play Khan?????

247. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

Sure, there could be multiple bad guys and Del Toro is to play one, but he won’t be Khan, but Khan is still in the movie as, or not as, a bad guy played by someone else. But it doesn’t feel like a high probability to me.

248. Jai - December 3, 2011

MJ, re: #246:

“but they are bringing in some Bollywood unknown to play Khan?????”

There are a couple of recent precedents for foreign actors who weren’t previously well-known in the US being cast in lead villain roles in major Hollywood films, eg. Inglorious Basterds and Casino Royale, and proving to be big hits.

Also, there are about 1.6 billion South Asians around the world, and Hrithik is already very famous in that population. “Unknown” is a relative term ;)

But I guess it ultimately depends on what JJ & co’s priorities are.

249. FortWorthJoe - December 3, 2011

Here’s my guess. Del Toro plays Khan’s father. We get an unknown, or virtual unknown to play a much younger Khan than the one we knew, and maybe Kirk is somehow involved in Khan’s father’s death. Hence, Khan being pissed at Kirk once again, in this alternate Trek timeline…

250. NCM - December 3, 2011

245. Jai – December 3, 2011:
Jai, I always enjoy your posts! (But are both pictures of the same actor?).

241. MJ – December 3, 2011
“NCM, what is the point of debating Bob Orci’s psychological state? I am sure the guy is doing just fine, and does not need affirmation here.”

MJ, what is the point of asking a question about a question you believe to be pointless? You must be sitting in a dark room, facing a locked door, with nothing but a computer for company:) Anyway, you affirm the point I intended to make to dmduncan.

251. Keachick - rose pinenut - December 3, 2011

Actually, I wondered if in fact they had already found someone to play Khan (if he was going to be in the next movie) and were keeping that very under wraps. I mentioned this possibility a few days back on another thread. Benicio Del Toro is expected to play a main villain and I just think he looks like a TOS Klingon. It was the first thing I thought of when I first saw his picture.

#122 – Yes, I agree that they might cast him as an Andorian – have him painted light blue with antenna. The Vulcan and the Andorians were enemies who, at best, managed a very uneasy peace (ST:Enterprise).

They had better make sure that the body/face paint is a good batch this time, unlike the batch they painted on Rachel Nichols (Gaila)… CP knows all about that paint…:)

252. DeShonn Steinblatt - December 3, 2011

244.

Because if that was really JJ Abrams who emailed that fanboy site, it would be the first time in his career he has done that.

Remember, our boborci has already made mention of the fake boborci over at AICN.

253. the Dogfaced Boy - December 3, 2011

249. FortWorthJoe – December 3, 2011
“Here’s my guess. Del Toro plays Khan’s father. We get an unknown, or virtual unknown to play a much younger Khan than the one we knew, and maybe Kirk is somehow involved in Khan’s father’s death.”

FortW, you do know that the young Khan and his father lived in the 20th century and Kirk lives in the 22nd century?

254. VulcanFilmCritic - December 3, 2011

@245 Jai. Wow! That guy IS Khan! And it’s so much more interesting to see a new face than to look for who’s currently “hot.” I bet he’d be sensational.

@ 246 What’s wrong with casting a foreign unknown actor? Have you forgotten about these previously unknown foreign actors: Ingrid Bergman, Peter Lorre, Claude Raines, Audrey Hephburn, Max von Sydow, Bela Lagosi, Peter Cushing, Cary Grant, Yul Brenner…etc.

And what’s wrong with Bollywood? Or the Chinese Opera? Or the South African stage. Why close our minds to most of the world’s talent?

255. MJ - December 3, 2011

@254. As usual, you are missing the point…

The point is that they since they are hiring an expensive award-winning actor to play the nemesis in the Trek sequel, that if Khan is going to be in the movie, he sure as heck will be played by Del Toro, not a relative unknown outside of India.

(ps: Bring on your personal attack response if you must — I am expecting nothing more from you on this)

256. MJ - December 3, 2011

@253 ““Here’s my guess. Del Toro plays Khan’s father”

They are not bringing in Del Toro to play a second-hand support role to an unknown Khan…Del Toro is being brought in to play THE VILLIAN.

257. boborci - December 3, 2011

Its really me at aicn.

258. the Dogfaced Boy - December 3, 2011

207. Harry Ballz – December 3, 2011
“204.

Phil, for that elephant crack, all I can say is……….tusk, tusk.”

If you’ve ever worked in the circus, you know you need to stay away from that elephant crack.

259. boborci - December 3, 2011

Im so ashamed.

260. MJ - December 3, 2011

@259. That JJ lied about Khan?

261. boborci - December 3, 2011

But i am touched by some if ya’lls concern for my cOnfidence!

262. MJ - December 3, 2011

“cOnfidence”

I knew it. this is basically saying KHANfidence — that is why you had the “O” capitalized.

Thanks for the clue, Bob. It will be interesting to see how JJ backpeddels on his fib.

263. Keachick - rose pinenut - December 3, 2011

#245 – Jai – you are a bad man…:)! I have not been in favour of seeing anything of Khan in the sequel and then you put those two pictures of that Indian actor dude before me…Whoa! Perhaps a little too muscly for me but very nice all the same. Yes, they are the same person, NCM. Who cares what his name is?or if he’s from Bollywood or whatever?

How is his English? Remember there are also a lot of English speaking people or those who are very well acquainted with the English language going to see this film, all going well.

If the Bad Robot team are going to have a little bit of Khan in the movie, they could do worse than get Hrithik Roshan along for an audition, at the very least.

Of course, CP”my captain” is my very favourite obviously, but I am not oblivious to the other nice attributes that other men may have. It is just my nature and I make no apologies for it.

264. Vultan - December 3, 2011

The reason some fans want to see Kang or Kor in the movie instead of Khan is because Khan has already been used in a movie, and an excellent one at that. But he’s not the only K-man out there.

As for me, if they have to go back to a TOS villain, I’d rather see them go green—Gorn!

265. MJ - December 3, 2011

Vultan, all, see Bob’s clue above — Khan is definitely in the movie.

And you can bet the house that Del Toro is playing him despite JJ’s disinfo.

266. the Dogfaced Boy - December 3, 2011

264. Vultan – December 3, 2011
And I’d add that I would prefer him to not be cgi’ed. Give me a gorn just like the one in Arena, tongue noises and all.

267. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - December 3, 2011

I think we should all go back to this point when Star Trek 2009 was getting preped and see what they were saying about the movie then and see about the comparesons to this one. Hmmmm

268. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - December 3, 2011

Hey MJ and the Dogfaced Boy. Have Gorn in it and title the new movie.
Star Trek The Gorn Identity.

269. the Dogfaced Boy - December 3, 2011

You read my mind. I was about to say I’d like to see Matt Damon as Kirk, per your 267 comment.

270. Vultan - December 3, 2011

#265

You might be right. I don’t know what to think at this point…

#266

Agreed! No school like the old school dude in a rubber suit.
And that goes for Godzilla, too!

271. the Dogfaced Boy - December 3, 2011

270. Vultan – December 3, 2011
Well, they can get rid of the zipper and the blinking eyes in the remasted version was okay.

272. MJ - December 3, 2011

plus, have a moving mouth and move just a tad bit faster.

273. MJ - December 3, 2011

Just upgrading the quality of the Gorn suit to something along the lines (in terms of quality) of what Louis Gosset Jr. wore in Enemy Mine would be great.

274. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - December 3, 2011

You know. The Gorn would be a great thing to explore in Trek 12. But please do not make the gorn like Enterprise did. That was very Disapointing.

275. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

257. boborci – December 3, 2011

lol. What I read of it, I knew it was you. It sounded like you. But what’s to be ashamed of? Be mad as hell and stop taking it anymore. Besides, you can always go back and read some of the things I’ve said in here if you want to feel better by comparison. ;-) And I’m still not ashamed!

261. boborci – December 3, 2011

Nobody jumps into their pants two legs at once. It always surprises me when some people think that success or fame or profession makes those who have it impervious to criticism.

276. NCM - December 3, 2011

261. boborci – December 3, 2011

I take “cOnfidence!” to emphasize CON rather than Khanfidence, especially after boborci’s coy admission that he is imposter-orci on another site.

Boy, feels like someone’s enjoying toying with us.

277. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - December 3, 2011

This is for Bob Orci.

By Grabthar’s hammer, by the suns of Warvan, you shall be avenged!”.

278. Red Dead Ryan - December 3, 2011

We really won’t know for sure who Del Toro would be playing if he is indeed cast in the sequel, and we won’t know who the villain is until filming starts. And Khan is still a possibility. Del Toro hasn’t been cast yet, and J.J Abrams isn’t going to say “no comment” on the matter of Khan because that would be almost confirming that Khan will be in the sequel, while they obviously would not confirm anything yet by saying “yes, it’s true”. So the only logical answer to give would be “no”.

So it’s quite likely that we’ll still be playing the guessing game until at least late January.

279. MJ - December 3, 2011

@278. YEP! But also see Bob Orci’s clue above.

280. MJ - December 3, 2011

@277 “By Grabthar’s hammer, by the suns of Warvan, you shall be avenged!”

Just watched Galaxy Quest again the other night….it gets better with time!

281. NCM - December 3, 2011

261. boborci – December 3, 2011

“Nobody jumps into their pants two legs at once. It always surprises me when some people think that success or fame or profession makes those who have it impervious to criticism.”

If boborci wrote the above, where are the typos?:) It doesn’t sound like anything I’ve read from our embattled but beloved writer. But whomever said it, perhaps it bears repeating.

boborci, your conspiratorial mind makes skeptics of us all.

282. MJ - December 3, 2011

You know, I think it would be cool is someone tried to make a Galaxy Quest TV series…a serious version.

283. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - December 3, 2011

Ok Bob Orci. Let’s have a little fun. How about naming one of the Federation Star Ships the U.S.S Protector. Named after the NSEA Protector, from Galaxy quest.

284. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

Actually, I did jump into my pants both legs at once, once. It hurt so much I never did it again.

285. MJ - December 3, 2011

@283, Given we already have in Trek 9 the line, “Cadet Vader, U.S.S Hood,” I think that would be cool!

286. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - December 3, 2011

I just bought galazy Quest on Bluray. lot’s of fun to watch. Wish they would have made another movie or even a Series.

287. MJ - December 3, 2011

@283, Given we already have in Trek 2009 the line, “Cadet Vader, U.S.S Hood,” I think that would be cool!

288. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - December 3, 2011

Hey Bob Orci. How about a series named Galaxy Quest. You know. From the Movie.

289. Vultan - December 3, 2011

#273

Yep. The creature and makeup effects in Enemy Mine were darn good. An ’80s version of the Gorn would be fine with me. CGI, even the super advanced CGI used in Avatar and the like, just doesn’t have the same… weight (I guess that’s the right word) as practical effects.

290. the Dogfaced Boy - December 3, 2011

Seeing that Bob is reading this tread, after MJ’s comments and mine, he’ll now feel obligated or pressured to write a gorn into the script. Well Bob, I hope you don’t mind me calling you Bob, as far as I’m concerned, you guys just do your movie the way you see fit.

Well, just one thing. If you’re doing Klingons, NO RIDGES. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, NO RIDGES. That’s all. Thanks.

291. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

281.: “If boborci wrote the above, where are the typos?:) It doesn’t sound like anything I’ve read from our embattled but beloved writer. But whomever said it, perhaps it bears repeating. ”

Not sure I get your meaning, NCM. You don’t think that’s Bob because he’s thanking people for concern about self doubts he might have?

Look, I’M very confident and I have them at times too. I don’t see how you can be a decent human being without them.

292. Keachick - rose pinenut - December 3, 2011

Matt Damon has too bland a face and voice to be a good Kirk. Chris Pine has just the right subtle qualities to be Kirk.

I seem to be missing something here. How is Bob Orci confirming that Khan will, in fact, be in the next movie?

If we are going to go down the “star” route, then clearly this is a Pinto film. Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto are the main “stars” of these Star Trek films and everybody else are supporting actors, even Benicio Del Toro, Tom Hanks or any other “big name star” they may get on board to do the sequel! Some might even suggest that since this is about the captain of the Enterprise, first and foremost, that the only real “star” of the film is and should be Chris Pine. Much as I like Chris Pine, I still think that it is a Pine/Quinto movie.

Frankly, once we see all these actors in their costumes and make up, on their planets, space ships, tugboats, whatever, then who these people are in real life and where they come from, doesn’t matter one little bit and there is a big problem if it does. What really matters is who they are and what they do in the story – whether they do a good rendition of a – Klingon, Khan, Andorian, bitch or sweetheart, Starfleet crew member, captain, first officer, Menosian (new, non-canon race); do they fight well or fight badly – you name it. That is why the person’s, that Jai suggested could play Khan, name or where he comes from is not that relevant. It is just that he may be able to play a very credible Khan (if that character does appear in the sequel).

293. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

Being in TV the way Bob is, he plays a relatively powerful role in society. I hope to GOD he has the appropriate doubts at the appropriate times.

In fact, I am cOnfident that he does.

294. Red Dead Ryan - December 3, 2011

#284.

“Actually, I did jump into my pants both legs at once, once. It hurt so much I never did it again.”

Yes, but have you ever tried jumping OUT of your pants? That would really impress the ladies! :-D

295. Anthony Pascale - December 3, 2011

boborci is the real Bob Orci, we accept no substitutes here at TrekMovie.com

296. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

292: “I seem to be missing something here. How is Bob Orci confirming that Khan will, in fact, be in the next movie?”

Emphasis on the “O” in cOnfidence sounds more like Khan-fidence. It’s no more revealing than anything else.

There’s still a high likelihood, in my mind, that Del Toro will be Khan, but part of the game here is obfuscating the clues so that we don’t know which ones to trust.

297. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

OH that gives me a great idea!

298. the Dogfaced Boy - December 3, 2011

292. Keachick – rose pinenut – December 3, 2011
“Matt Damon has too bland a face and voice to be a good Kirk. Chris Pine has just the right subtle qualities to be Kirk.

I seem to be missing something here. How is Bob Orci confirming that Khan will, in fact, be in the next movie?”

Aaah, Bob Orci said “cOnfidence”. What, is that reading in too much?

Commodore Mike mentioned these pages back in day when the first movie was getting ready to shoot. Damon was brought up then as a possible Kirk. I think most of us here are happy enough with Pine as Kirk.

299. JaneGrey - December 3, 2011

Didn’t anyone else notice? It’s BOTANY Bay, not “Botony”.

I know. I’m nitpickey.

300. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

294: “Yes, but have you ever tried jumping OUT of your pants? That would really impress the ladies! :-D”

You’re right, it does! But I only practice that in rooms with very high ceilings now. Getting my head unstuck tends to dampen the effect.

301. rm10019 - December 3, 2011

Or if the question posed was if he was playing ‘the villain Khan’ or if he is playing ‘Khan’. Khan may be an ally in this new timeline, so JJ would not be lying by saying Del Toro wasn’t playing the villain Khan

302. Hugh Hoyland - December 3, 2011

I dont mind if Khan is the protag in the sequel, either way you know this movie is going to be BIG, exciting and fun! I honestly get that vibe! :]

Cant wait for 2034! Yes! ;]

303. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

Actually I’m hoping more that it isn’t about Klingons. I AM cOnfident that THEY are all cOnfident that they have a winning story.

We’ve been talking about the Del Toro news for weeks now, so without being told he was playing Khan we’ve all had the chance to adapt to the possibility.

So whatever the role, they’ve already blunted some of the force of any negative reaction by this gradual release of information. When the announcement of who Del Toro is playing is officially made — which I expect will be on the screen when we are watching the movie — we won’t be disappointed.

304. the Dogfaced Boy - December 3, 2011

299. JaneGrey – December 3, 2011
“Didn’t anyone else notice? It’s BOTANY Bay, not “Botony”.

I know. I’m nitpickey.”

No. Right of you to point that out. But you have to be careful, correcting Anthony’s typos. He can go back and fix them.

That’s when you look like the nit.

305. MJ - December 3, 2011

@299 “Didn’t anyone else notice? It’s BOTANY Bay, not “Botony”.

You are correct using all caps, it is actually an acronym:

Balls
Out
Trek :
Astronaut
Noonian’s (space)
Yacht

306. MJ - December 3, 2011

@303 “Actually I’m hoping more that it isn’t about Klingons. I AM cOnfident that THEY are all cOnfident that they have a winning story.”

LOL Agreed, DM. I am with you for a change, “my old friend.” :-)

307. MJ - December 3, 2011

If it is Khan, I think they should have him lost in space in the year 2090 — obviously the 1990 thing never happenned….moving forward, they should just pretend it was always 2090, and the TOS episode was a mistake.

308. the Dogfaced Boy - December 3, 2011

307. MJ –

Yeah, it was that Y2.2K bug that was screwing up all of the computer dates at the time.

I can’t remember for certain but I think ST:Enterprise used 1990 as the date of the eugenics wars and just played it like it was all underground/classified activity.

Surely someone here will know this. Shirley, maybe you know?

309. Adolescent Nightmare - December 3, 2011

Didn’t Bob ask if somebody was impersonating him? And then he said he had to change his aintitcool password. I could swear I remember that.

310. Anthony Pascale - December 3, 2011

what typo?

;)

311. boborci - December 3, 2011

290.lol

312. the Dogfaced Boy - December 3, 2011

310 – Alright!!

Way to go, Anthony!

JaneGrey needs to check her glasses. :)

313. the Dogfaced Boy - December 3, 2011

311. boborci – I thought my little bit of humor went by unnoticed but here, it got noticed by Him, himself. Cool!

314. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

@309: “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone…”

If JJ fibbed the denial, he gets a nougie. Bob is elected to deliver said nougie. For his sins, Bob has to eat 4 ounces of salt water taffy. I volunteer to administer said taffy, and to inspect for proper complete consumption.

Now, when the subject of Khan first came up way back, I was surprised at how many fans kept suggesting Latino actors to reprise the role of Khan, a Sikh. It didn’t make sense to me, and I got into some arguments over it.

Now if Bob was directing I think Bob would be more considerate of our opinions on casting, but he’s not directing. And JJ is not really a fan of the franchise.

Looking at JJ’s TV work makes me tend to think he thinks in the same way as those fans I mentioned did, so when I see him make the choice of Del Toro, I see him choosing a Latino — who is also someone he always wanted to work with, and who the script now gives him the chance to work with — for a role that he thinks should be played by a Latino, in the same way that many Star Trek fans thought that the Latino actor who formerly played Khan had to be replaced with another Latino actor in the same role to do their memory of that role justice.

I don’t agree with that logic, but being director has its perks, one of them being that you get to make choices like that with nobody talking you out of them.

315. Keachick - rose pinenut - December 3, 2011

Hey, don’t call me Shirley!

#290 NO RIDGES! you say. I have just read on another site where a poster said that Del Toro was unattractive, unlike Klingons. I took that to mean that *she* was enamoured by those manly Klingon forehead ridges…

OK – Which Klingon males look sexier – the ones with ridges or the ones without?

316. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - December 3, 2011

This is for Bob Orci.

By Grabthar’s hammer, by the suns of Warvan, you shall be avenged!”.

317. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - December 3, 2011

Bob. We have your back here at Trekmovie.

318. MJ - December 3, 2011

Yea, even though I bitched about Bob and Supreme court during their “procrastination period”, it was like a family bitch session….I love the guy!

319. Basement Blogger - December 3, 2011

Okay, I’m confused. J.J. Abrams says it ain’t Khan. Bob Orci puts out spells confidence with cOnfidence. (@261) MJ, thinks it could be Khan. (@262) I;n going to scream. Khaaaaaaaan! Um, sorry.

Did we ever figure out what to name the deflector dish?

320. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

Caveat emptor: I may be totally wrong.

321. MJ - December 3, 2011

It’s Khan and Del Toro will play him. If I am wrong, I make a promise to never make a negative Shat post ever again on this web site….that is how sure I am about this! :-)

322. Basement Blogger - December 3, 2011

If I can quote Rick Perry. Sorry, oops. Bloody typos. 319 should read “Bob Orci puts out a clue and spells.” Sorry, Bob for the puts out without the clue part. And of course, it should read, “I’m going to scream.”

323. Adolescent Nightmare - December 3, 2011

I’m going to impersonate George Lucas and insult Star Trek. Maybe I can start a fan war.

324. Kevin Hou - December 3, 2011

@321 – speaking of the shat, can we get him to sing ‘major tom’ in the picture?

325. Keachick - rose pinenut - December 3, 2011

#314 I hope you are wrong, especially about the casting of Khan (if the character is actually going to be in the film). It would be an idiotic thing to do, especially given the person who might be available to play that part (Jai’s comment #245).

Jai has been commenting over time about this issue. I really had not been paying that much attention, because I don’t really want to see Khan in the movie at all. However, I did agree that if a suitable Indian actor could be found (Jai had suggested one or two), then the casting people should go for that person. I hope that you, Bob Orci, had been paying attention (a potential audience of 1.5 billion people is pretty big). India is also among the countries keen to explore space…

326. the Dogfaced Boy - December 3, 2011

315. Keachick – rose pinenut – December 3, 2011
“OK – Which Klingon males look sexier – the ones with ridges or the ones without?”

Kang was always my favorite Klingon. I don’t think it had anything to do with him being sexier. But he was married to Barbara Eden and he played Kurt Russell’s father on the Lost in Space show …, well the one with Kurt Russell.

I went to see The Motion Picture with a fairly large group. We were all like, “Man, why did they have to change the Klingons?” It wasn’t that we didn’t like the ridges, it was that we liked Klingons the way they were in the TV show.

327. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

319. “Did we ever figure out what to name the deflector dish?”

All we know is that it’s an acronym spelled R.E.V.N.G.E., they lose control and can’t turn it off during a crucial scene, and that unlike other deflector dishes, according to Scotty, which can be repaired “when hot” (slang for “when operational”), “the R.E.V.N.G.E is a dish best serviced cold.”

325. Keachick – rose pinenut – December 3, 2011

I don’t know anything more than you do. Or, I don’t know that I know anything more than you do.

328. Keachick - rose pinenut - December 3, 2011

Sorry – still not getting the cOnfidence bit to mean Khan. I thought it was a typo – pressed on the caps lock by accident, then realized, but didn’t go back to correct the mistake.

Yeah, that was it, eh, Bob?! Yes or No
Since you are here now, I take it that the third draft is finished. Yes or No

There are two questions here. Both require a yes or no answer. If to either or both questions the answer is no, then an explanation(s) is required in clear concise English, otherwise I have it on good authority that the Commodore will be asking for your agoniser!

I hope you did not get any chills. I believe it is getting a bit cold there now, so you need to take care of those drafts.

329. MC1 Doug - December 3, 2011

I am not ready to discount JJ’s denial nor am I ready to believe the villain will be Khan (even though it seems likely).

I don’t want to see rehashes of old stories…

330. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 3, 2011

Remember when Star Ttek was about the future and not the past?

331. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

BTW, I think Neil DeGrasse Tyson is great, but I think he missed the point on drilling into Vulcan, so I just defended that aspect of the movie as well, here:

http://trekmovie.com/2011/12/02/watch-stephen-colbert-and-neil-degrasse-tyson-debate-science-of-star-trek-2009s-red-matter/#comment-4239630

332. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 3, 2011

Just drove 40 miles over a mountain pass in the snow and back again to see Hugo. Yes, it was in 3D and what a wonderful picture. Splendid.

333. the Dogfaced Boy - December 3, 2011

330. moauvian waoul – aka: seymour hiney – December 3, 2011
“Remember when Star Ttek was about the future and not the past?”

Yeah, 23rd century is so been done.

334. chrisfawkes.com - December 3, 2011

How about Kirk and crew encounter a Borg cube. Suddenly from nowhere Picard and crew arrive from the future to take on the Borg but are destroyed. Implying both arrived from the future.

Now we have the Borg in Kirks timeline. Have them contact the borg from that timeframe as well and the story revolves around how Kirk identifies the menace they pose to the universe and how he destroys the lot of them despite less sophisticated technology.

No matter how you dice it, the Borg were the best trek villain ever created.

335. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 3, 2011

210 dmducan “LOL! You gonna try that again, will you?”

Over and over again. It’s all I got.

336. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 3, 2011

“Yeah, 23rd century is so been done”

Only parts. Like to see the rest. You know, the part without Khan?

337. the Dogfaced Boy - December 3, 2011

Oh yeah, I keep meaning to say. Khan, yeah, yeah, cool. But shouldn’t Spock be doing everything he can to go back in time and stop Vulcan from being destroyed? I mean, Edith Keeler must die so the timeline doesn’t change but ….

338. Maxwell Everett - December 3, 2011

Maybe this is going to be “The Wrath of Joaquin.”

He was Khan’s bodyguard. If you remember, Khan nearly died as they tried to wake him in “Space Seed”… what if, as a surprise to the fans, Khan dies right in the first few minutes of the movie when the Klingons board the ship first. Joaquin then becomes the de facto leader of the Botany Bay augments. They take over the Klingon ship and eventually do battle with the Enterprise.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Joaquin

339. Harry Ballz - December 3, 2011

So, some of you here think Bob Orci is purposely spelling words wrong to leave clues?

I, personally, think he has typos in his posts becuase he’s drunk when he shows up here!

He’d HAVE to be bombed to listen to most of this crap!

340. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

338. Maxwell Everett – December 3, 2011

That’s a good one. And I’d expect that kind of serpentine maneuver from Boborci.

341. Keachick - rose pinenut - December 3, 2011

#94 So you intend the keep the “fermentation tanks”. The Scotsman and the doctor will be pleased, for medicinal reasons, of course…:) I guess, in this alt universe, we will be hearing variations on the song, “What shall we do with the drunken sailor?” This is all very good. Can’t wait.

#152 – “It’s a win-win proposal, and if that’s not enough, it’s the season of giving. Don’t pass up this gift giving opportunity! We need something. We’ve had so little… waited so long! Forget, for the moment, how undeserving we are and appreciate our one fine, shared quality: loyal devotion to Trek.
Please, don’t make me beg:)”

I share your feelings. It might be easier for him to give us a gift of a group photo of the Star Trek cast assembled on the bridge than actually tell us anything pertinent about the next movie, no matter how minor or insignificant it might be. It is all too clear that I am going to have a serious chat with this man, Roberto Orci…

Oh cripes. I’ve just had a thought. The group photo can’t get taken on the Enterprise bridge because JJ Abrams won’t allow it because it is top secret, even though there is probably not a single thing that has been changed, but he’ll have us think, but maybe… So the intrepid cast will be assembled in the Paramount backlot or even the parking lot, just so long as everyone is not put against that wall, the one wall CP knows all about…:). Whatever, the background will be as boring as shit, but photoshopping is a wondrous technology which means that they can have our lovely cast standing on a lawn in front of San Fransisco Harbour and the Golden Gate bridge (makes sense – since SF Headquarters are meant to be in San Francisco). I think we won’t see any of the cast in ST costumes, even though for some nothing will have changed, but you know, JJ, he’s all for keeping ‘em guessing…

Bob – sounds like a good plan. Now, make it so!
Good man!

Found the Pinto puffles yet? No time like the present…eh Bob?…;)

342. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 3, 2011

Does seem odd that Spock is suddenly okay with the tragedy that has befallen Vulcan. Not sure how to handle that one. If he tries he has to fail, and if he doesn’t even try, well that’s different than the Spock-o we’ve come to know.

343. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

335. moauvian waoul – aka: seymour hiney – December 3, 2011

lol!

344. Basement Blogger - December 3, 2011

@ 332

Totally agree that Hugo in 3-D was a wonderful film. Martin Scorsese has elevated 3-D to high art. Just think how a blind blowing Star Trek movie FILMED in 3-D will look. And if it’s deeper as the Supreme Court has said it will be, we’re in for something really cool.

Here’s one of my favorite scenes from Hugo, posted on Paramount’s YouTube account. The kids drop a box of sketches on the floor. As they fly in the air, they come alive. In 3-D, it was pure magic.

http://youtu.be/CX35WGxTQrQ

345. the Dogfaced Boy - December 3, 2011

338. Maxwell Everett – December 3, 2011
“Maybe this is going to be “The Wrath of Joaquin.” ” I thought about that too. But that would be pretty cold on Khan, as great as he was, evil though that may be, to let him die of freezer burn.

346. MJ - December 3, 2011

@325 “I hope that you, Bob Orci, had been paying attention (a potential audience of 1.5 billion people is pretty big). India is also among the countries keen to explore space…”

Yes, I remember the extra hundreds of million of dollars that Star Trek The Motion Picture made from India with the huge ticket sales due to Persis Khambatta having a major role in that film. :-)

347. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

334: “No matter how you dice it, the Borg were the best trek villain ever created.”

I agree half way. I think they were the best villain concept, but the low budget execution, while acceptable to TV and the times, falls far short of what the Borg could be on the big screen.

The only thing I like less than snarling TNG Klingons is spandex wearing humanoid TNG space zombies.

348. Keachick - rose pinenut - December 3, 2011

Why, Harry, are you bombed when you show up here? Then again, if you are – that’s you, and only you, because nobody else says (as far as I know) that about themselves.

349. Maxwell Everett - December 3, 2011

345. the Dogfaced Boy – December 3, 2011

Well, they could always leave Khan in suspended animation on the Botany Bay when they Joaquin and the others abandon it. Maybe he’s afraid of Khan and doesn’t want him woken up? Therefore Khan’s still “out there”… maybe he’ll be woken up in this timeline, maybe not?

350. Harry Ballz - December 3, 2011

Time for an embarassing admission. Way back when the Voyager episode to introduce Jeri Ryan was first broadcast, and early in the show while she was still just in the background walking around as a Borg drone, I rermember thinking, “WOW! LOOK AT THE BODY ON THAT BORG!”. Her amazing figure just jumped off the screen at me. I wondered what was wrong with me as I felt pretty warped thinking a Borg was hot! Then, by the end of the episode, when they had 7 of 9 walking around in the skintight catsuit, with her giant gazongas sticking straight out, I started to feel normal again. Whew!

351. Harry Ballz - December 3, 2011

348.

Yes, Keachick, I’m pretty loaded by the time I drop by here every night.

Hey, I don’t pick on YOUR hobbies!!

352. Captain Karl - December 3, 2011

Wow….sooooo much drama over something that cannot be confirmed or denied. We all love good speculation, gossip seems to drive society these days, just as much as people wanting to be proven right on what they believe to be true…so they can say, “see, I told you so!”

Let boborci & company work (although we do seem to provide a good laugh for him) and let’s not jump up and down getting all excited over rumors. We’ll have plenty rumors come and go in the next two years (okay not exactly 2 years, but until 2013 at least) and some will be outrageous and others will be just plausible enough for people to get in a frenzy over…lol

353. the Dogfaced Boy - December 3, 2011

348. Keachick

Uuhhh….

354. Keachick - rose pinenut - December 3, 2011

MJ – Yeah, that photo of Del Toro at the top of this thread does not do him justice. Where on earth did you dig that up, Anthony? Benicio does look like he might be on something or more likely, is just very tired.

355. the Dogfaced Boy - December 3, 2011

I always thought Benicio looked like a tough guy Brad Pitt.

356. Harry Ballz - December 3, 2011

353.

Thanks, Dogface!

(hic)

357. dmduncan - December 3, 2011

Wow — wonderfully cathartic thread with all the confessions we are making.

358. Keachick - rose pinenut - December 3, 2011

#346 – Persis Khambatta was playing an unknown character in that film. If an Indian actor, who is also well known in his own country, plays another well-known character, then the odds are a lot better. The reality is when people go on about getting big name stars etc, there is only so much they can do, if the story is not so good.

Therefore, it always comes back to the overall quality of the story, then the actors, then the special effects etc. Without a good story and good acting, then the fancy special effects can become a bad and expensive joke.

#339 – “I, personally, think he has typos in his posts becuase he’s drunk when he shows up here!
He’d HAVE to be bombed to listen to most of this crap!”

OK, I guess I was taking you too seriously, but you are assuming that Bob Orci must be drunk when he comes and that most of what is written here is crap. Some of it probably is. Then again, what some might consider crap, others might consider a good idea.

BTW, Harry, what’s your “poison” tonight? Is it night right now in Canada? Is it very cold? Is there snow? I like to know what it is like, how it might feel now in other parts of the world, time and weather wise.

359. StarShipGuru72 - December 3, 2011

Del Toro could be COLONEL GREEN !

Remember that classic Trek episode with Abraham Lincoln? In that episode we learn that Kahn was not the only tyrant on the loose during WW3 (a.k.a. the Eugenics War). India had Kahn. America had Colonel Green. What if Kahn died during WW3 and it was Colonel Green that escapes the 21st century? Could it be that the Enterprise crew of the JJAbrams-verse meet the historical legend Colonel Green instead of Kahn? Compare Del Toro’s look to that of the actor that played Colonel Green. Interesting, eh?

360. DeShonn Steinblatt - December 3, 2011

309.

That is the night I was refering to.

361. Maxwell Everett - December 4, 2011

359. StarShipGuru72 – December 3, 2011

Maybe… but Khan couldn’t have died during WWIII because the timeline split in the Abramsverse occurred when Nero popped up in 2233. In Star Trek lore, WWIII lasted from 2026-2053. Khan slipped away aboard the Botany Bay in 1996.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Khan_Noonien_Singh
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/WWIII
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/George_Kirk

362. Harry Ballz - December 4, 2011

358.

It is 2:09 AM here in Toronto. It’s a cool clear night. No snow. I am consuming a good amount of white wine. Nice.

363. Keachick - rose pinenut - December 4, 2011

Harry, enjoy your wine. I guess you don’t need to get up too early, it being Sunday morning there.

It is 8.20pm Sunday night here. It is still light, going into dusk. I am looking down the barrel at domestic chores and nine year old needs to get up early to go to school. No wine for me tonight, I’m afraid.

Anyway, have a nice night and wine. “I approve of hobbies…” (Which Star Trek TOS episode is that from and who said it?)

364. boborci - December 4, 2011

328 thats right. I dont correct typos unless they get in the way of my meening. Dig?

365. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 4, 2011

And so exactly what was your meening?

366. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 4, 2011

hey Bob, they’re all asleep. whisper it to me.

367. boborci - December 4, 2011

And i dont hide clues like da vinci code style. Any clue i would give would be conveyed by the neaning of my words, not by faulty punctuation or caps mistakes.

368. the Dogfaced Boy - December 4, 2011

Anthony corrected his typo earlier. So,,, was “cOnfidence” supposed to be “Khanfidence”, “confidence” or “khant you just wait til the movie comes out”?

369. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 4, 2011

Bob, me thinks you enjoy this a tad too much.

370. boborci - December 4, 2011

366. Ok. I will whisper it to you. If JJ really said what he said, then he is telling the truth.

371. boborci - December 4, 2011

Plus do u know hiw harf it us to spell weell on a damned ipone?

372. MJ - December 4, 2011

@339 / Harry Ballz “So, some of you here think Bob Orci is purposely spelling words wrong to leave clues?”

Oh Ballz and Khunts alive, why not? :-))

@367 “not by faulty punctuation or caps mistakes.”

Exactly Bob. It was not faulty. And I Khan’t wait for the new movie ;-)

373. Harry Ballz - December 4, 2011

Aw, c’mon, Bob…you can give us some crazy obscure clue that we can chew on for months.

374. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 4, 2011

If he said it. Hmm. I see.

375. the Dogfaced Boy - December 4, 2011

Ha ha, Bob just texted me a clue.

He said, “In the dark of night look for the bright of day”.

I think I know what it means!!

You Harry Mudd fans are going to love this!

376. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 4, 2011

371. Yess, i m useing 1 write noow.

377. MJ - December 4, 2011

@375 If you don’t mind me asking, why would Orci being sending you private texts with clues?

378. the Dogfaced Boy - December 4, 2011

Why’ed you ask me that?

379. MJ - December 4, 2011

Well, you mentioned Bob sent you a text — see your post 375?

380. the Dogfaced Boy - December 4, 2011

Well, I’m just asking because the answer to that is in the clue too. Look at the capital letters, alternate meanings of the words, synonyms, puns…. Let me know when you think you’re close and I’ll tell you the rest.

381. the Dogfaced Boy - December 4, 2011

377 – I’m just joking dude. With people looking for clues, I just made it up.

382. Harry Ballz - December 4, 2011

380.

Hey, once you finish pulling off into a kleenex, get back to us!

383. the Dogfaced Boy - December 4, 2011

Hold that thought Harry. I think I got a live one here.

384. dmduncan - December 4, 2011

370. boborci – December 4, 2011

366. Ok. I will whisper it to you. If JJ really said what he said, then he is telling the truth.

***

Well I tend to believe that HitFix didn’t get the “not true” wrong. It’s only seven letters. Hard to screw that one up even if they were iPhoning it in.

Okay Bob. Which Klingon is Del Toro playing?

385. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 4, 2011

Got it! Thanks Dogface. And to think it was so obvious all this time. Shesh.

386. Harry Ballz - December 4, 2011

383.

Here, fishee, fishee…….. :>)

387. MJ - December 4, 2011

Good one, Dog Faced Boy — you had me really working there!

388. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 4, 2011

Wow, everyone’s up. Don’t you kids sleep?

389. dmduncan - December 4, 2011

388. moauvian waoul – aka: seymour hiney – December 4, 2011

If you can stay up this late, I can too.

390. Harry Ballz - December 4, 2011

388.

Never.

391. MJ - December 4, 2011

@384 “If JJ really said what he said, then he is telling the truth.”

LOL. Reminds me of Clinton trying to define the definition of “is”.

Bob, you let it slip that it is Khan…your backpedaling is not fooling me, but I see you purpose here of creating confusion so that JJ doesn’t ask for your ass on a plate for letting the secret out.

WINK – WINK

Khaaaaaaan!

392. Harry Ballz - December 4, 2011

389.

Seeing which guy can “stay up” the longest is a losing proposition.

393. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 4, 2011

But dmducan, I’m cheating. I’n in mountain time.

394. the Dogfaced Boy - December 4, 2011

I don’t know. I think I’d better call it quits. I’m not usually such a smart ass. I apologize tonight because I’m denying everything tomorrow.

395. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 4, 2011

You’re just up really early. That’s it.

396. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 4, 2011

You mean I didn’t figure it out Dogface? Or am I too close to the truth?

397. dmduncan - December 4, 2011

Time, time, time. Been working on “The Philosophy of Time” for 15 years. If it gets rejected, i am burning my computer, building a small log house on some hill in South Dakota where the flying saucers fly and the spooks and the Sasquatch play, and never coming back.

Word up, yo.

398. the Dogfaced Boy - December 4, 2011

396. moauvian waoul – aka: seymour hiney – December 4, 2011
“You mean I didn’t figure it out Dogface? Or am I too close to the truth?”

Oh, I think you’ve got it but we can’t come out and say it. I’m not sure everyone here can handle the truth. (Sorry. Couldn’t resist.)

399. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 4, 2011

Okay dmducan, you win. But tomorrow I’ll ask you, does time have a philosophy, and what is it?

400. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 4, 2011

Right on Dogface. Best keep it to ourselves and watch the spectacle unfold.

401. dmduncan - December 4, 2011

I win? Yay! What’s the prize?

In answer to your query: yes, it most certainly does.

402. UMA Fan - December 4, 2011

I would love to see a new fresh take on Khan but I would be disappointed if they don’t try to ask an Indian actor for this Indian character. Back in the 70s, I can understand there weren’t a lot of them and it wasn’t easy to get any good indian actors for American television. But now it’s silly that they would cast someone to play Ricardo Montalbhan instead of the actual Khan character.

403. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 4, 2011

Bleary eyes! Okay, then what is it? I’ll check it out in the AM.

404. dmduncan - December 4, 2011

Here’s an interesting fact: Skull and Bones operates on what they call Skull and Bones time, which is five minutes faster than clocks elsewhere. Anybody want to theorize why? Anybody care? Anybody still up?

405. dmduncan - December 4, 2011

403. moauvian waoul – aka: seymour hiney – December 4, 2011

Ha! Nutshell version is 40 pages! You’ll have to get the book!

406. Aurore - December 4, 2011

“Anybody want to theorize why?”

No.
I want you to do so. Which will allow me to have breakfast while reading your post on the issue .

Some people can eat AND type. I’m afraid I can’t.

407. dmduncan - December 4, 2011

Aurore! So happy to see you! Have I really stayed up so late to meet you waking up?

408. MJ - December 4, 2011

@406 “Which will allow me to have breakfast while reading your post on the issue .”

Let me guess what you are having for breakfast? Ice cream, right?

409. MJ - December 4, 2011

@402 “I would love to see a new fresh take on Khan but I would be disappointed if they don’t try to ask an Indian actor for this Indian character.”

Guess what, he’s a made-up character in a made up future! This ain’t Ben Kingsly playing Gandhi here, dude! LOL

410. =A= - December 4, 2011

hey no way i dont want Khan Khan that enough. he is dead in movie period!

411. Keachick - rose pinenut - December 4, 2011

#364 Wow Bob – you answered my question and gave an explanation. Thank you.

How about the second question – have you completed the third draft yet? Yes/No

BTW, if you are having trouble when typing on your iphone with spelling, I can offer you the use of an old Windows XP with CRT screen and a 20 year old IBM keyboard. They work fine – the keyboard needs a little nursing occasionally with typing of the letters *t* and *y* but that’s fine. They say that patience is a virtue. It is clunky, but spells brilliantly. Just say the word, Bob, just say the word!

;)

While I have your attention (let’s hope), we had an interesting conversation at dinner about what I refer to now as the Pinto puffles – you know, the puffles that Chris and Zach are supposed get… because there are four puffles, someone thought that they should be called the Squintok or perhaps more accurately, the Spintok puffles. It’s just that we *girls* got the giggles… S stands for Spock, pin for Pine, into for Quinto and k for Kirk.

412. Aurore - December 4, 2011

Bonjour, dmduncan!

“Have I really stayed up so late to meet you waking up?”

‘Looks like it!

413. Aurore - December 4, 2011

“Let me guess what you are having for breakfast? Ice cream, right?”

Well, folks, I think we have reached a consensus ,here; that man knows everything!

:)

414. dmduncan - December 4, 2011

Bonjour, Aurore!

And goodnight!

Perhaps I will see you later, when the table will be turned, as they say.

415. Aurore - December 4, 2011

Sleep well, dmduncan.
See you later…Perhaps.

:)

416. Captain Gorn - December 4, 2011

#371: I hope you don’t use your iphone to write the script.

*imagines*

Kirk: Mr. Solo, take us put, wart factor too.

Sulu: Aye Sis, warp facto two.

417. Marshal - December 4, 2011

I’m going to be unpopular and suggest that re-imagining Khan may not actually be THAT bad.

As noted, Khan is without doubt one of Trek’s greatest and well known villains. The Wrath of Khan undoubtedly is a classic and fans are worried that it will be tarnished if an awful, terrible re-make was made. Newsflash! It already has been made, it was called Star Trek: Nemesis. But even if a re-make fell flat on its face, it wouldn’t stop Wrath of Khan from still being awesome. And some may say that failing to re-imagine Khan successfully in the same way Kirk and Spock, etc, were re-imagined, was a missed opportunity.

Besides, if Batman fans had had the same qualms some Trekkies have about classic villains or Jack Nicholson’s great performance in the original Batman movie, then we would never have got Heath Ledger’s amazing take on Joker in The Dark Knight. Yes, original performances are great, but whose to say an equally good, or (eek!) better performance isn’t possible. I’m sure many Trek fans didn’t put that much faith in Pine or Quinto. But even if their depictions will never match the originals in the hearts of Trek fans, they are impressive, original depictions nonetheless, worth taking the risk to see. The same could be said of Khan.

I personally don’t mind either way. If Khan was left alone, fine. If Khan was re-made and done well, great. If Khan was re-made and messed up, I’d be out for blood as much as any other Trekkie, but I’m willing to put a bit of faith in the people behind these movies, that they are fully aware of how high-risk Khan would be and that they would HAVE to get it right. But then Kirk and Spock were as high-risk as they come, and they managed just fine.

BTW, I personally wouldn’t mind Tel Toro playing Khan. Ricardo Montalban did a good job passing off as an Indian Sikh (more so in Space Seed than Wrath of Khan). Del Toro, kinda looks like he could pass for Indian, in that photo at least. Still, what’s the deal JJ? 1.2 billion Indians on the planet, and you can’t find ONE to play an Indian?

418. VulcanFilmCritic - December 4, 2011

Maybe Khan doesn’t look like the Sikh parents he is spawned from because genes from other races have been spliced into his DNA in order to “improve the race,” just as today we might splice in the genes of a tangerine into a grapefruit or a hamster into a tomato in order to make “improved” genetically modified produce.

Villains usually reflect the nightmares of their times. In the 1960’s many writers were still haunted by fears of the Nazis and totalitarianism. Star Trek has done this over and over, and Khan is an oblique way of asking, what would have happened if the Nazis had won and eugenics was legal?
By casting a person of color rather than a northern European type, we could explore this question without the political baggage associated with Germany.

Today the question of eugenics has become almost moot. Parents can find out the sex of their children and abort the fetus if they don’t like the answer. This is a practice that is more common in China than here due to the one child law. This had led to imbalances in the numbers of boys and girls (whole villages with a preponderance of men and orphanages filled with female children.) They are even talking about doing gene therapy in utero here in the states.

The only character on Star Trek who might have had some creepy genetics was Spock, but today one might postulate all kinds of nightmares based on what the eugenics movement might do. Perhaps this new Khan (can I refer to him as neo-Khan?) will be a reflection of today’s weird science. It is after all science fiction.

419. Keachick - rose pinenut - December 4, 2011

Nemesis was not a remake of Khan. Shinzon is nothing like Khan. I never thought for a second that I was watching a Khan make over. Where do people get these ideas from? I read them before and they don’t make any sense to me at all. Perhaps the only thing that Khan, Shinzon and Nero have in common is a desire to exact revenge for real or imagined wrongs. Shinzon’s rationality was the most questionable. However, they are different people, their own persons, dealing with and coming from different circumstances.

Acts of revenge/vengeance are derived from very powerful negative group of emotions or one or two overriding emotions, the main ones being grief, anger, hatred, envy/jealousy, sense of loss and abandonment. It is no wonder that stories of revenge/vengeance are so common.

Note to Bob Orci –
Nero’s reasons for his revenge were not that well explained in the movie, well that is according to my 16 year old. I had to explain stuff that other people who were not familiar with any of the Star Trek backstory may have had difficulties understanding. I have probably watched every single Star Trek (TV episode and movie) ever made at least once, so I know that Vulcans and Romulans were enemies, even though they are genetically related. There were centuries of mutual distrust and possibly even hatred between them. Vulcan becoming part of a large federation of planets made Romulans even more uncomfortable, whereas for Vulcans, they probably felt safer.

However, most non-Trekkie film goers would not have known this and so would have found Nero’s behaviour just so silly and off-the-wall. To me, I understood where he would have been coming from, because I knew about those considered by a high proportion of Romulans to be their enemies. Prime Spock was working on reunification but that had not come about fully, when Romulus was destroyed by the supernova.

Please give careful consideration to a concise backstory for those who are not so familiar with Star Trek, as most of us are here.

420. Captain Gorn - December 4, 2011

You know, I think more time has been spent talking about the sequel’s villain than any other aspect of it (except maybe engineering). As the Supreme Court said once “It’s not about the villain.”

You’d think people would be talking about Kirk, Spock, or the Enterprise – but no, it’s all Khan this and Khan that.

Personally, although I’d prefer no Khan, I really don’t care as long as the movie’s good. I mean, the movie could have not a trace of Khan and still be utterly awful, or it could have Khan as the villain and still be amazing. It depends more on the story and the character development than one who the villain is.

Until I have any reason to do otherwise, I trust them to make an awesome movie.

421. Marshal - December 4, 2011

419. Firstly, obviously Nemesis was not an official re-make of Wrath of Khan, I was making a joke at that awful movie’s expense. Maybe you should watch the Plinkett review of Star Trek Nemesis on Youtube and see just how many ‘homages’ to Wrath of Khan were in that movie. They copied so many elements from WoK it was more or less a crappy attempt to replicate WoK successful formula, an attempt that happened to fall right on its face.

Maybe people get these ‘ideas’ because they happen to be true and most people can figure it out.

Just because Shinzon wasn’t like Khan, doesn’t mean that Nemesis the movie didn’t try the replicate the elements of WoK the movie. WoK wasn’t just about Khan the villain, he was one part of the equation, that resulted in a great movie.

422. Keachick - rose pinenut - December 4, 2011

Abortion of female feotuses is also very common in India, possibly more so than in China. Women in China who are unmarried and get pregnant are forced to have an abortion, as are married women who already have a child and get pregnant again. So much for women’s liberation. Forced sterilization is also common in China and in Tibet girls as young as 14 are forcibly sterilized. Everyone knows that the Tibetan race is not the same as the Chinese race, so that reeks of slow genocide. Of course, China is not the only country culpable here. Amerindian women (both in north and south America) often face the same perils as Tibetan females.

Personally, if they must have Khan…groan, then I would prefer him to be played by a good, credible Indian actor. If Khan in Space Seed was supposed to be a Punjabi Sikh (who had clearly gone off the rails because of the eugenics crap), then have someone who looks like a Punjabi Indian to play Khan. It is really quite simple. This is not the 60’s anymore. Some things can be improved upon.

– Some things can’t be improved upon though – like Lt Uhura’s SF uniform issue mini-skirt and go-go boots…:)

Benicio Del Toro just looks so much like Kang (Michael Ansara). He does not look anything like Ricardo Montalban – different skin tone, different facial shape and features.
How long does it take to work out if a person can play a part or not, negotiate for greenbacks (more than I’ll ever see in a lifetime) and sign a contract?

423. VulcanFilmCritic - December 4, 2011

Well, they’re in “negotiations.” We can only hope that the fates somehow prevent Mr. Del Toro from ever donning the ponytail and the jacket with the exposed pecs. That he never utters purple prose from Moby Dick or Milton. That he never berates women and then decides to change their hairstyles.
Khan was one of a kind, and I personally agree that this character should
R.I. P. along with Mr. Montalban.

But…if he is totally re-imagined, then perhaps someone else can play him. NOT ANOTHER HISPANIC, though.

Otherwise Star Trek is not science fiction; it’s not smart; it’s not inspiring.
It just becomes a rather dumb movie franchise that’s not about anything but a defunct TV show from the 60’s.

424. Keachick - rose pinenut - December 4, 2011

#420 – “You’d think people would be talking about Kirk, Spock, or the Enterprise – but no, it’s all Khan this and Khan that.”

I hear you. For more than two years since coming onto the Internet, there has been this Khan obsession. Of course, this thread we are on is about who the villain is being revealed and then squashed by the movie’s producer/director. Frankly, to me, Khan is little more than a fly that falls in someone’s soup – if only he was. I am so sick of reading that name. I can’t watch TWOK because I am so Khanned out, truly.

What is there to say about Kirk? Lots of people think that he was promoted too early in the last movie. Despite the fact that he saved the Earth by working out what Nero was up to, some thought he was still too inexperienced to be a captain with his own ship. Part of me agrees with this. I think he may find it quite tough, with him carrying an abnormally heavy burden of responsibility and of needing to prove himself worthy of his position. This could take its toll. I have not seen, let alone, read any of the Ongoing(?) comic series that deals with re-imagining some of the early TOS episodes where nuKirk and Spock are put through their paces, in order to see how well the Kirk character is portrayed and how he copes etc.

What to say about Spock? With the loss of his planet, and his mother, I see this Spock as coming to some personal crossroads. By the end of the movie, we see that he has remained with Starfleet and has offered himself as First Officer of the Enterprise. It was clearly a decision that the bridge crew, especially Uhura, were happy with. If the comics are anything to go by, it seems that Spock remains with Kirk and the Enterprise so far and he and Kirk get to do stuff.

However, I do think it is possible that Spock may leave on a sort of sabbatical, (Alice Eve’s role as his temporary substitute?) so that he can properly come to terms with what has happened. He decides to reconnect with the surviving Vulcans, play his part in rebuilding a new Vulcan world, whether it is within a scientific area and/or procreating with a suitable Vulcan woman. Hopefully he is able to successfully procreate, in spite of his human DNA.
Spock also needs to find a way (Kolinahr ritual or similar) to help him cope better with the fluctuating and powerful emotions that haunt him – from angry, violent outbursts to times when he is crying uncontrollably. As Sarek said, Vulcan emotions can sometimes be stronger than human emotions… I’m not sure where this leaves Uhura, but I think she is fairly reasonable with Spock, especially given the circumstances. Friendship is what counts.

I don’t know when or how they find their way (esp. a young Captain James Kirk who is working hard to prove himself) to discovering the Menosian system but I hope they do one day, before they are too much older, battered, bruised and disillusioned…

Somehow I don’t think that the K/O/L writing team are going to make this alternate universe a particularly pleasant place necessarily, but you can’t have darkness without some light, because then nothing can become and grow.

Another long post…oh dear, oh well…

425. Jai - December 4, 2011

NCM, re: #250:

“Jai, I always enjoy your posts! (But are both pictures of the same actor?).”

Yep, they’re both pictures of the Indian superstar Hrithik Roshan.

MJ, re: #346:

“Yes, I remember the extra hundreds of million of dollars that Star Trek The Motion Picture made from India “

Actually, ST09 was a huge hit in India. There’s a massive cinema-going audience for Hollywood movies in that country, especially in the large cities.

426. Jai - December 4, 2011

Keachick, re: #263:

“How is his English?”

Hrithik Roshan’s English is very good. He was interviewed on CNN and Britain’s Sky News a year or two ago. You can check out the video clips on this comment I posted here a while back: http://trekmovie.com/2011/07/26/lindelof-star-trek-now-full-time-job-for-himself-orci-kurtzman-abrams/#3717958 (it’s comment #160 on that thread).

(The comment immediately beneath that also includes a couple of short clips of his most famous awardwinning movie performance, so check that out too: http://trekmovie.com/2011/07/26/lindelof-star-trek-now-full-time-job-for-himself-orci-kurtzman-abrams/#3717965).

Re: #358:

“If an Indian actor, who is also well known in his own country, plays another well-known character, then the odds are a lot better. The reality is when people go on about getting big name stars etc,”

That’s right, although here’s the twist: On a global scale, Hrithik Roshan is an absolutely huge superstar (much more than Del Toro, in a sense), and not just among the worldwide South Asian diaspora either. He’s already known in Latin America too; Hrithik actually won an award in Brazil for his movie performance as the historical Indian emperor I mentioned earlier.

Bollywood movies are also very popular in the Middle East, Africa and (yes, I was surprised to hear this too) apparently China as well.

Plus there’s the recent precedent of Christoph Waltz in Inglorious Basterds, like I also said. Waltz was not exactly a well-known actor in the US, but he was still cast as the main villain, and ended up winning an Oscar.

A couple of established Bollywood superstars are already making headway in Hollywood. After Slumdog Millionaire, Anil Kapoor bagged a major recurring role in 24, and he’s now starring alongside Tom Cruise in the next Mission Impossible movie. Also after Slumdog Millionaire, Irrfan Khan (who had already starred in the Angelina Jolie movie A Mighty Heart) had an acclaimed recurring role in the TV drama In Treatment, and he’s now starring as one of the villains in the next Spiderman film.

As a lead actor, Hrithik Roshan is currently a considerably bigger Bollywood star than either Anil Kapoor or Irrfan Khan.

427. Bobby - December 4, 2011

Khaaaaaan!!!

http://www.khaaan.com/

428. PJays - December 4, 2011

I noticed that the Ridges debate is started if the Klingons should appear.

I think the Klingons should be the way they were meant to be shown (plus the way Gene Roddenberry wanted them to be) with their Ridges. They did do battle with the Narada in the last film. So it would not be hard to believe that they got the cure from there & end up with getting their Ridges back earlier than the prime universe.

I thought they looked great in the deleted scenes. If you hadn’t seen them yet, it is worth checking out!

429. Jai - December 4, 2011

VulcanFilmCritic, re: #254:

“@245 Jai. Wow! That guy IS Khan!”

He sure is ;)

It gets even better: In terms of his persona, body language, dialogue delivery etc, Ricardo Montalban’s portrayal of Khan in Space Seed (not TWOK) was pretty much an exact combination of Hrithik Roshan’s two most famous awardwinning performances. And Hrithik even bears a striking physical resemblance to a slightly-younger version of Montalban, as you might have noticed.

Make sure you check out the video clips via those two links I mentioned above too.

Re: #418:

“Maybe Khan doesn’t look like the Sikh parents he is spawned from because genes from other races have been spliced into his DNA in order to “improve the race,” just as today we might splice in the genes of a tangerine into a grapefruit or a hamster into a tomato in order to make “improved” genetically modified produce.”

Good point, although many Sikhs (and Punjabis in general) do actually look a lot like Montalban in Space Seed ;)

By the way, “Sikh” is a religious affiliation, not a race or ethnicity. The majority of Sikhs are Punjabis, but the majority of Punjabis are not Sikhs.

Khan’s original religious background was Sikh, but his race/ethnicity (notwithstanding possible genesplicing) is South Asian. Or Indian, if you want to be more specific. Or Punjabi, if you want to be really specific about the exact geographical/linguistic group ;)

430. chrisfawkes.com - December 4, 2011

Given that it has been four years between films they could have skipped Kirk getting the enterprise right at the end of last movie and started this one four years later with Kirk being promoted.

Here is something that i would like to see factored into the film. The fact that elder Spock would have undergone intense questioning by starfleet to bring them up to speed of upcoming events that will provide them with advantage.

So any wars etc will be averted by Starfleet having that advantage.

Not suggesting Nimoy return but a nod to such an advantage would seem appropriate.

Also what does this mean for the relationship with the Romulans now it is known they will be wiped from existence, as will Klingon and Earth if they cannot find a substitute for red matter. Or perhaps that is a matter for another time.

431. Trekboi - December 4, 2011

Does anyone remember the guardian of forever rumors from the last film?

I really hope they don’t re do khan & instead try to “boldly go where no one has gone before” & do something new & original, perhaps explore strange new worlds new civilizations…

432. Jai - December 4, 2011

Bob Orci

I know it would be very unfair to ask you directly about anything Khan-related, so I completely understand if you’d want to maintain a discreet silence about this, and I don’t expect an answer (actually you definitely shouldn’t say anything at this point). But if Khan is going to make an appearance in the Star Trek sequel (or the movie after that), please do take a look at the video clips of Hrithik Roshan via the links I’ve supplied in #426. He’s definitely worth considering for the role.

433. T'Cal - December 4, 2011

Give it up, boys and girl. No matter what JJ does with the sequel, we’ll be in line opening day. If it’s good, we’ll be back in line a few more times. If not, we won’t return…until the next film.

434. T'Cal - December 4, 2011

I’m sure that somewhere in this group is at least one girl…

435. Marshal - December 4, 2011

@ 432: May I ask, are you a female of South Asian (Indian?) ethnicity by any chance? Because that would explain your obsession with Hrithik Roshan being cast as Khan.

I’m of Indian ethnicity myself and I am familiar with Hrithik Roshan and he does look the part of a younger Khan. However although he is generally a better actor than most Bollywood/Indian actors, that is not necessarily difficult to achieve as most Bollywood actors are downright terrible, and I don’t believe Roshan would be able to pull of a role of this magnitude.

I would love to see a person of Indian origin playing a re-imagined Khan since the role is Indian (though I wouldn’t be too fussed if someone from another ethnicity managed to pull off Indian well). However, Bollywood is the LAST place on earth one should look to find a actor with enough talent and ability to pull off this sacred Trek role. Bollywood acting is itself focused on melodrama and overacting, and even though Montalban was brilliantly melodramatic in TWOK, any Bollywood actor approaching the role from this angle would reduce the character to farce.

Although it would be cool to see a well-known Indian actor in the role, I would much prefer to see an unknown Indian-origin actor who has the talent and ability to pull off Khan well, then a shoo-in Bollywood name for the sake of higher box office in oversees territories, but who would ultimately butcher the role.

436. VZX - December 4, 2011

370. boborci – December 4, 2011
366. Ok. I will whisper it to you. If JJ really said what he said, then he is telling the truth.

So, this seems like a confirmation to me. If so, and there is no Khan, then: Awesome sauce!

Now, just get Nichelle Nichols to do the computer voice and I will be content.

437. boxker - December 4, 2011

I would love to see Khan again, doesn’t have to be this movie, but it did I wouldn’t mind. I’m glad the powers that bee, didn’t say hey we already saw Joker in a Batman movie, lets never ever use him again. As long as it was written well, I don’t mind seeing him again at some point

I DO understand that with time limiting what you can do with movies, it’s probably better to add new wrinkles, however; I don’t think anyone could deny that Khan is in the back of their minds, wondering how things would play out in this universe. On that note, it’s fair to say that I am also interested in what’s going on with Kang, Koloth, etc. I Definitely would love to see how Balance of Terror would play out on the big screen, although one could surmise that it didn’t happen at all, since Nero change the Federation’s knowledge of the Romulans.

Either way I’m not going to be the Star Wars fans the complain about the prequels, yet they went to the theaters and bought them when they were released on various media, I’m gonna go see the movie. I’m gonna see the movie even if they put Harry Mudd, in it, and I don’t like that character.

438. Captain Gorn - December 4, 2011

@424: There’s definitely a whole lot of stuff they could do in the sequel as far as character development goes. That’s what I really want to see. The villain’s purpose should be to move the story and the character development along, not become the story himself.

I’d love to see how Kirk’s handling all the responsibilities of command, and how Spock’s handling Vulcan’s destruction. Also, McCoy needs more screen time. All that sort of thing is way more important to me than who the villain is.

I’m hoping for some nice moral dilemmas in the movie which Kirk will have to deal with, and hopefully grow as a character while doing so. If Khan can provide those moral dilemmas, then fine. But I don’t care overly much whether he’s in the movie or not (though I’m hoping for not).

439. SirBroiler - December 4, 2011

People who call a new universe telling of the Khan story a “remake” are really missing the point and the possibilities.

440. Damian - December 4, 2011

If they redo Khan, it will seriously cause me to drop my respect for the new team a notch or two. The Khan role was played and written to perfection. You can’t outdo perfection.

I thought Star Trek (2009) was ingenious, the way they created a reboot with a sequel, and a prequel, all at the same time. I have high hopes for the 12th film. To redo Khan indicates to me they couldn’t come up with a fresh villain on their own. It just reeks of lazy story telling to me. There are far to may “redo’s” out there today, one of the reasons I don’t go to see many movies these days. I want a fresh story, no Khan, and frankly I’m not all that interested in seeing Klingons or Romulans (except maybe in some supporting role).

I realize at this point, the main plot of the story is done, and no one is going to care what little old me has to say. I honestly hope JJ Abrams comment is the real deal and not just damage control. For now, I just hope the “leak” was a publicity stunt. If so, it seemed to have worked here as we are closing in on 500 comments.

441. Greenberg - December 4, 2011

The guy has a serious problem around his whole face area. I hope he’s not in the movie because I will have a hard time sitting through any long scenes with this guy.

442. Andy Patterson - December 4, 2011

@350 Harry Balls

” by the end of the episode, when they had 7 of 9 walking around in the skintight catsuit, with her giant gazongas sticking straight out, I started to feel normal again. Whew!”

Harry, you make me chuckle.

443. section9 - December 4, 2011

Oh, yeah, right. Khan hooks up with a Borg Queen without getting assimilated….

Because he’s KHAN, you know, and he’s bad that way.

Who’s writing this bullsh*t?

Oh, sorry @boborci! So, how much are we paying Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner for their walk-on/cameo scenes?

444. dmduncan - December 4, 2011

Okay, I’m done. It’s been fun whipping up drama speculating about the sequel, but I’m calling it quits on doing that. No mas! No mas!

445. Adolescent Nightmare - December 4, 2011

Do you think there will be a official announcement of who Benecio is playing? I don’t. I think they will keep it a mystery as long as they can.

446. Adolescent Nightmare - December 4, 2011

Do all klingon names start with K in TOS? Why?

447. Quatlo - December 4, 2011

Y’all missed Orci’s encrypted spelling clue, “Ya’ll” @ 261. Do not use one dimensional thinking.

448. Quatlo - December 4, 2011

350: Harry Balz – I felt normal too being impressed by her two enormous talents (with props to my good buddy Joe Bob Briggs).

449. Aurore - December 4, 2011

444. dmduncan – December 4, 2011
Okay, I’m done. It’s been fun whipping up drama speculating about the sequel, but I’m calling it quits on doing that. No mas! No mas!
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Is that your way of saying that there will be no theorizing regarding Skull and Bones time, from you, on this thread?

Got it .

I’ll probably have to buy your book on the subject, then…

:)

450. dmduncan - December 4, 2011

449. Aurore – December 4, 2011

Bones time will be a blog post. Philo. of Time more involved than that, but will let you know when ready!

451. captain spock - December 4, 2011

u- know bob i have to watch what i tweet to you on twitter.com, it ended up on on of my trek bbs .. the one i asked you if the klingons & tribble were going to be in st:12. & you denied that one.
waiting for you or JJ to slip something nice & juicy out . it will happen sooner or later ..LOL

452. AJ - December 4, 2011

446:

I think there is part of the Klingon command structure (ship command) that favors the letter ‘K.’

Worf, Mogh, Maltz, Martok, Baytchik, Gowron, Duras, etc. All famous Klingons, no “K”

Kinda like K-Mart vs. Walmart

453. Travis - December 4, 2011

This is great!!!… We finally get to see Khan when he flees Earth in 1996 ( i hope they show this at the very beginning of the film ). I do think that if Khan is the villian then i dont think it will be a remake of ” Space Seed ” or ” ST II “… I think a new kind of story line involving Khan. Eitherway The Klingons are not the badass of Star Trek… Khan always was and thats why JJ Abrams is denying the report because its TRUE!!!!!

454. Spock/Uhura Fan - December 4, 2011

I could see Spock visiting his people to stay connected, but when he told Spock Prime that he needed to help rebuild and stay with his people (but humans are his people too), Spock Prime told him that he could be two places at once. That makes me think that Spock Prime, having a wealth of knowledge, wisdom, and experience that only age can give will be doing that. He basically told young Spock that he didn’t have to shoulder that burden because he still has his life to live and he needs to be free to do that.

As for reproduction, well, I’d love to see Spock, Uhura, and baby make three. ;-)

But I’d prefer it in whichever movie will be the last film. Still, they could get married. A Starfleet wedding would be fantastic!

On villains, I don’t really care who the villain is as long as it is done well and we get to know more about the members of the Enterprise crew and the villain gets good development.

455. Craiger - December 4, 2011

If the script is done why keep the villian top secret? Wouldn’t announcing the villian gain more interest in the film? Of course it could have the opposite effect.

456. Craiger - December 4, 2011

Also they have already announced the bad guys for Man of Steel and The Dark Knight.

457. Gary S. - December 4, 2011

#447Bob Indicated he was having trouble spelling while using his iPhone.
Hardly what I would calll an encrypted clue,just a spelling error .

458. Harry Ballz - December 4, 2011

397.

Time is nature’s way of making sure everything doesn’t happen all at once!

459. Harry Ballz - December 4, 2011

442.

Glad to oblige, Andy!

460. Harry Ballz - December 4, 2011

448.

It’s a good thing you keep abreast of these things, Quatlo!

461. NCM - December 4, 2011

397. dmduncan – December 4, 2011

Time, time, time. Been working on “The Philosophy of Time” for 15 years.

Let’s hope it’s been worth your time and that your respect for the same precludes the possibility that you were up in the wee hours just to kill time. But if you”ve been working on existential questions of time for a long time (bit of a time machine, are you?), then maybe you’ll take the time to tell me what Thoreau meant by killing time “without injuring eternity.” Sounds cerebral, but does it mean anything, or did he just have too much time on his hands?

462. Keachick - rose pinenut - December 4, 2011

#454 The young Spock would not be going to new Vulcan for the main reason of helping rebuild because he knows that prime Spock is there already and is more suited to doing that. He is there to reconnect and take time out and deal with issues arising from the devastating events and hoping that Vulcan disciplines may offer solutions that other mental disciplines cannot. There will no doubt be many other Vulcans in similar situations. I guess I am curious as to how the writing team would deal with this issue, since they created the whole scenario in the first place.

sabbatical – “any extended period of leave from one’s customary work, especially for rest, to acquire new skills or training, etc.” Traditionally, a sabbatical is a year, but it does not have to be that long.

Bob Orci?

I know it may sound radical, even a bit off to some, but given Vulcan population numbers and the slow reproductive cycle of Vulcan women, there is no reason why Spock could not father a child to a Vulcan woman and to Uhura. Both would be mixed race children. Some Vulcans might object to such racial *impurities* but hey, that is their problem. If both of Spock’s children are female, they may carry enough of the right human DNA to have a reproductive cycle closer to that of human women…
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As for prime Spock being quizzed about the future and what he knows about Klingons, Romulans etc – I’m not sure he would want to say too much. Besides he is telling of the prime universe’s past, which is not necessarily going to be this alternate universe’s future.

The problem is – if you didn’t do this, then that wouldn’t have happened, however you still don’t know what would have happened if you didn’t do the thing that you now regret. Knowing the future is really not much different from not knowing the future because which future are we talking about – the road taken or the road not taken? The best prime Spock could do is to provide a guideline, but people in this alternate universe are still stepping out into an unknown future, just like they did in prime Spock’s universe of the past.

463. Harry Ballz - December 4, 2011

“As if you could kill time without injuring eternity”

I think the meaning is fairly straightforward….

To “kill time” usually means to waste it or to do nothing. Since every living thing is able to contribute or, at least, influence the environment of their existence, it would injure or, say, do a disservice to the universe/eternity if they did nothing. Even a slug leaves a slimy trail that another may slip on and fall.

If it really all comes down to “cause and effect”, then every living thing owes it to eternity to “take up the cause” and, thus, by action, have an effect.

Now, break up into groups and discuss.

464. Red Dead Ryan - December 4, 2011

#454.

Spock and Uhura getting married? And having a child together?

Uh, no thanks dude! That’s one of the STUPIDEST ideas I’ve read on this site in a long time!

Let’s try to keep the characters true to themselves, shall we?

465. Red Dead Ryan - December 4, 2011

#463.

“Even a slug leaves a slimy trail that another may slip on and fall.”

Hence, the genesis of slapstick comedy!

466. Khan was Framed! - December 4, 2011

Perhaps part of JJ’s answer was a cleverly worded truth without confirming anything about the plot.

He may have been denying that Del Toro “will be” playing Khan, because he hasn’t signed yet.

At this point that’s “not true” because a deal has not been struck.

Facts such as Khan being in the film are side stepped in his answer as it’s out of context, he may simply have been reporting the truth as it stands at the time he was asked.

There is no denial of the character of Khan being in this film in his answer what so ever.

467. Christopher Roberts - December 4, 2011

I have to laugh when the idea of Khan as a good guy in the Abramsverse comes up.

Go back and actually watch “Space Seed”.

468. Christopher Roberts - December 4, 2011

Try ENTERPRISE episodes “Borderland”, “Cold Station 12″ and “The Augments” while you’re at it.

Alec Newman as Malik, and he’s practically channelling Khan, particularly the wrath filled one of later years.

Khan is an empire-builder who thinks the whole of humanity should be ruled by genetically engineered Augments.

He’s about as likely to be defrosted and intergrated into the Federation, as James Kirk is likely to take orders from an Admiral named Napoleon, or Hitler, or Bin Laden.

469. Keachick - rose pinenut - December 4, 2011

#464 -You, of course, know all of what Spock (or Kirk, for the matter) is or has the potential to be, as in being “true to themselves”?

Spock/Uhura Fan was not being stupid at all and neither am I. Just because these characters appeared not to want or have the opportunity in the prime universe to be married and/or have children, does NOT mean that this necessarily has to apply in this universe.

For all we know, prime Spock might have had a wife, and even a child, back in the universe he came from. Prime Spock knows that he can’t get back to that universe and that may be a grief for him along with seeing this alternate Vulcan being destroyed. There is only so much that can be told in a story, but just because a certain event or relationship is not mentioned, does not automatically mean that it cannot have happened or could not happen.

Both Kirk and Spock have enormous potential to be great people and do all kinds of things in their professional and personal lives, including have an ongoing relationship and even a child or two. Why is that so hard to imagine? They are not eunuchs; they have taken no vows of celibacy/chastity and nor should they have to nor should Kirk and Spock have to act as if they have. Spock has more reason now than anyone to investigate the possibilities of parenthood.

470. NCM - December 4, 2011

@463: Yeah, that seems to be the prominent theory, and I was sorta joking, but, to be honest, I’m not sure he meant to imply that squandering individual opportunity is akin to abusing the universe. Anyway, kinda sorry I brought up, as I realize I’m really no longer interested in yielding brain space to Thoreau.

471. Spock/Uhura Fan - December 4, 2011

@# 462 – Keachick

I think it would be interesting to see where young Spock’s story goes too. I don’t know if he would need to go on a sabatical in this film or not considering that it probably won’t be picking up right where the last film left off to explain the aging of the actors, and to give us a real Enterprise story, skipping the rest of the ‘getting to know you’ phase for the crew. I would think that young Spock would have taken time off shortly after the events of the last film, unfortunately off camera. JJ is known for doing flashbacks well with Lost, so we might see a bit of what happened during that time too.

Spock getting 2 women pregnant can work for me because we have 2 Spocks. :-). Spock Prime can father a child with a Vulcan woman to help populated the race, and young Spock can stay to Uhura by faithfully only having children with her after they get married. That would be my hope. :-)

I agree that quizzing Spock Prime could only help to an extent. The timeline was altered, and so now we don’t know what will happen. It’s just that with Spock prime we have a better idea.

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@#464 read dead ryan

You are rude and inappropriate. There are better ways to disagree than with name calling, but I guess you’re not above them.

And by the way, the idea is not “STUPID” and it is totally being true to THESE characters. You haven’t successfully explained once how it’s not, probably because it is… Good day, sir.

472. Who - December 4, 2011

Wait all this time for a reboot of GREAT franchise, and GREAT charactors to watch a remake of The Wrath of Kahn? That would totally suck, we don’t want to see Kahn ever again!

Those rumors stink, and if true would stink even more! Write a story that is in keeping with the original premise of the TOS….sheeeesh

473. The Unknown Poster - December 4, 2011

I am all for Kahn but I think he shows up in the 3rd movie.

The Sequel ends with the camera panning to the lonely vastness of space, zooming in on a tiny ship and the name on the side…you know which one. Roll credits.

474. MJ - December 4, 2011

@471 / Spock/Uhura Fan: “red dead ryan, you are rude and inappropriate. There are better ways to disagree than with name calling, but I guess you’re not above them.”

Name call aside, I agree with RDR that the Spock/Uhura marriage/baby thing you came up with is one of the worst ideas I have ever seen on this website…nothing personal, but your idea is really wacky and is bound to generate a lot of comments like RDR’s.

475. AJ - December 4, 2011

This is still ‘Star Trek:’ i.e. Spock and Uhura do not get married and make babies. The ‘what’s it about?’ of ST09 was the friendship between Kirk and Spock ‘which will define them both.’

I predict the writers will either keep Spock/Uhura in the background, or they will have the lovely couple break up for practical purposes.

There is only so much lip service the writers will pay to the changes which occurred due to their ‘alternate timeline’ device. That was the last film. Now they have a clean slate to portray our favorite characters in fresh new stories, hopefully during the Five-Year-Mission. These characters, as they were portrayed in TOS, are the reason the film series is being made in the first place.

476. Spock/Uhura Fan - December 4, 2011

@#469

Very true. Thank you.

A change, even a small change, in events can alter the choices a person makes in life and who they meet and how they meet them. That doesn’t usually make them an entirely different person just because they make a different choice based off of having lived a somewhat different life under slightly different circumstances. I’d be happy to see both Spock and Kirk have families. Maybe in this timeline, knowing what it’s like to grow up without his father, Kirk will do a great job at balancing parenthood should he choose to have a child or two. That would be nice.

Spock and Kirk met under different circumstances in this timeline and it looked like they were not going to he friends until Spock Prime corrected that.

477. rogerachong - December 4, 2011

JJ only said that Del Toro is not Khan. That does not mean that Khan in any form will not make an appearance in the next Star Trek film. Del Toro could be another villian with Khan playing a minor role in this film in order to set him up to play a larger role in the third film. Maybe Khan role may go to a Bollywood star or not, as some have suggested. Still early days, but Khan can possibly help Kirk in this film and things go bad for him unintentionally. Kirk is sorry but Khan still goes for revenge in this film or the next. The discussion and speculations are at times more entertaining than the upcoming film release. Have fun.

478. MJ - December 4, 2011

Don’t be surprised if Kirk’s brother Sam appears (and probably dies, serving a plot purpose) in either this movie or the next one.

479. MJ - December 4, 2011

Keachick, of course those family things (kids, different characters hooking up, etc.) would occur in a real 23rd Century world, but this is Star Trek, not Desperate Housewives or Modern Family, so I’d just as soon not have to see much of the “family stuff” in the movies.

480. Spock/Uhura Fan - December 4, 2011

@ MJ and Aj

I can respect the fact that you do not like the idea, but I and others do. It’s not wacky at at, it’s just not something you’re used to. I never said that I wanted the movie to have Spock/Uhura front and center for the whole film, but they also should not break up or be shoved in the background in my opinion.

How does Spock being in love and eventually having a family with Uhura take all of the focus away from his friendship with Kirk? I’d argue that it doesn’t. To suggest that all these characters can do is work and have platonic relationships unless it’s Kirk having his ‘fling of the week’ is very one dimensional and shallow to me.

I’m not interested in that because I think that there is an opportunity to tell a story with a few more deeper personal elements involved, stretching beyond friendship and flings. What’s so wrong with love? I understand that it’s a Star Trek story about the crew and their travels first and foremost, but I do believe that there is an opportunity for more.

If there isn’t, then someone on the inside of what’s going on with these films should say so so I don’t waste my time. It was this possibility that drew me in in the first place. If we’re just going to see stories told the exact same way they were told on the tv show from the 60’s, than for me it’s just a waste of an opportunity to do more.

481. Spock/Uhura Fan - December 4, 2011

Desperate Housewives??? If you think that’s what was being suggested then I think that you’re missing the point.

482. MJ - December 4, 2011

The point is, I don’t need the family stuff in my Trek. Certainly that was an extreme example that I was using to make my point.

483. Craiger - December 4, 2011

What about combing Space Seed and Wrath of Khan into the sequel but also showing how Khan escaped Earth in 1996? What if Khan and his people made it to Citi Alpha V and awoke from suspended animation their? Maybe the Klingons discover them their then Khan uses the Klingon ship to escape Citi Alpha V and plot to regain control of Earth? Or the USS Reliant discovers Khan and his people and they take control of the Reliant?

484. Polly - December 4, 2011

Noooooo Khaaaaaaannnnnn!!!!

485. Dee - lvs moon' surface - December 4, 2011

I loved seeing the relationship of Spock and Uhura in Star Trek … but they get married and have children… I’m sorry, it’s not my expectation… Star Trek is not a soap opera… it’s scientific adventure… forever…

Well… just my point of view…. :-) :-)

486. Spock/Uhura Fan - December 4, 2011

@#482 – MJ

And I may not need some of the stuff you’re into – But the real point is balance. That’s the point and that’s also what would be realistic, seeing how these characters try to find balance in life in all ways and not just work and work relayed things. I don’t need to see all of the one dimensional stuff.

487. dmduncan - December 4, 2011

Just saw Hugo. Another great movie about the magic of movies, right up there with The Stuntman and Cinema Paradiso. The scene where Melies discovers movies for the first time felt like a scene right out of my own childhood, and it reminded me that, above all, movies are at their best when they are fun.

Let each and every Star Trek movie capture that youthful sense of adventure and possibility, and I will be a fount of gratitude.

Bravo, Martin Scorcese!

488. Spock/Uhura Fan - December 4, 2011

@485 – Dee

If all it takes is “I do” and a child to make one’s life a soap opera then you must not be married or have any children as a way to maintain a non-soap opera life. Doesn’t that just sound a bit illogical to you.

If that’s all it takes then all of our parents and their parents lived out a perpetual soap. :S.

489. mr hom. - December 4, 2011

I trust these guys to make a good movie, khan or no khan.
Thanks bob and good luck.

490. ensign joe - December 4, 2011

All JJ said was “Not true.” It was never said what exactly was not true.. Possible “certain point of view” situation here folks..

491. Will - December 4, 2011

I think they should take Star Trek in a completely different direction.

Make it one part love story, one part a story of discovery, one part a story of friendship, and one part a journey through the stars with Del Toro playing the part of Federation Chaplan Rodriguez- the wise learned, widely traveled, and very personable missionary from Seti Alpha Five.

But secretly Chaplan Rodriguez is an amnesiatic Kahn who has forgotten who he is. With the help of the crew of the Starship Enterprise he finds himself again before being killed by Kirk.

Call it: To Boldly Go.

Theme song by Peter Gabriel.

492. Spock/Uhura Fan - December 4, 2011

That’s a movie I would watch, Will. Thank you.

493. Aurore - December 4, 2011

450. dmduncan – December 4, 2011
449. Aurore – December 4, 2011

Bones time will be a blog post. Philo. of Time more involved than that, but will let you know when ready!
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As Toto used to say; “Noted”.

494. Keachick - rose pinenut - December 4, 2011

Interesting how these guys bring up TV shows like Desperate Housewives, Modern Family and Harlequin romance novels, as if to say that I/we only watch and read this kind of thing. What is really *funny*, and sad, is that I don’t watch Desperate Housewives, Modern Family, 90210 etc and I have not read a romance novel, not even a Harlequin. I find the assumptions made by some people on this board amazing and so off.

I agree that neither Kirk or Spock’s personal relationships should be centre stage in the Star Trek movie, but let’s at least allow them some personal time for them to have hobbies and love lives (after all, Picard loved reading, listening to various musical styles, but mostly classical and was into archeology.. and somehow always managed to end up in the sack with that attractive female archeologist who was only ever just this side of the law).

What did Kirk ever do or listen to, play as in an instrument and/or sport? Much the same for Spock. At least, we got to see Spock play his Vulcan lute…

All we saw was them working and we are supposed to believe that these are intelligent and emotionally balanced individuals, living this way. All I can remember seeing is Kirk lying on his bed in his quarters tired and alone. What kind of life is that? Occasionally, he got to “do it” with an Elaan (of Troyius) or a pretty slave girl on Bread & Circuses… Whoopdeedoo.

Oh, but the burden of duty and responsibility and being married to his first love, the Enterprise! Oh please. Give me a break. Do you people realize how wanky that sounds. No wonder so many people think that Star Trek is a bad joke and nerdy. It is because of nonsense like this, believe me or not.

495. Chris Doohan - December 4, 2011

If they did bring back Khan, he could actually meet Chekov before Seti Alpha VI. Then, we could just believe that The Wrath of Khan was set in a different time-line as well.

I never forget a face

496. Aurore - December 4, 2011

“No wonder so many people think that Star Trek is a bad joke and nerdy. It is because of nonsense like this, believe me or not.”
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I believe you.

497. Basement Blogger - December 4, 2011

@ 487

Dmduncan, I’ve been singing praises of Hugo in 3-D since it came out. I’ve written on the 3-D Star Trek thread and this thread. Paramount has put out one of my favorite scenes on its YouTube channel. I’ll post it again since my previous post is way up the thread.

Scorsese has created a masterpiece. I hope the Supreme Court saw it, think about the 3-D visuals they can create for Star Trek. And before I forget, there is a Star Trek connection to Hugo. The screenplay was written by John Logan who did the screenplay for Star Trek: Nemesis. (2002)

By the Aurore, Scorsese’s Paris is lovely whether its CGI or the real thing.

Clip from Hugo. The kids drop some sketches which come alive.
http://youtu.be/CX35WGxTQrQ

498. Craiger - December 4, 2011

Their showing Towering Inferno on FMC right now.

499. Spock/Uhura Fan - December 4, 2011

@ Keachick

I believe you too. The stigma, whether people here believe it or not is that Trekkies and especially Trekkers are intellectually overdeveloped and socially and emotionally underdeveloped. I believe that some here would say that’s a good thing, but to me it certainly isn’t balanced.

Sad, because for every person that is that way I’ve one or two that isn’t.

500. Basement Blogger - December 4, 2011

Why are we debating Khan? Bob Orci just told us at @ 370 that J.J. Abrams is right. So, it’s not Khan. I think, unless I missed a Bob Orci clue. Did he leave a clue on the grassy knoll? :-)

501. Dee - lvs moon' surface - December 4, 2011

#488. Spock/Uhura Fan…

Well, I wasn’t talking about real life… I was talking about fiction… just two hours of fiction in a movie theater… like I said is just my point of view about a kind of fiction… not my real life, by the way…

:-) :-)

502. MJ - December 4, 2011

Keachick, what are you talking about — you have practically written love letters to Chris Pine on these boards? Have your forgotten all that? :-)

503. MJ - December 4, 2011

@499. “The stigma, whether people here believe it or not is that Trekkies and especially Trekkers are intellectually overdeveloped and socially and emotionally underdeveloped.”

Stigma? This is our strength!!!

504. Chingatchkook - December 4, 2011

I kind of think that it’s brilliant that Bob Orci and JJ are leaving some questions in the air that it could be Khan. It kind of misdirects any speculation about which villian Del Toro would actually be playing.

A brilliant bit of misdirection, if you ask me :-)

505. Dee - lvs moon' surface - December 4, 2011

494. Keachick…

“No wonder so many people think that Star Trek is a bad joke and nerdy. It is because of nonsense like this, believe me or not.”

Well, I think many people think that… because they think trekkers confuse fiction with reality… but who cares about what “many people think” …

Don’t hate me because I think different… I also want to see a bit of emotion in Trek sequel … but someone needs to get married to that happening…??

:-) :-)

506. Craiger - December 4, 2011

One thing I forgot Abrams filmed Klingon scenes in the reboot but deleted them maybe that’s how we can base Klingons possibly being in the sequel?

507. dmduncan - December 4, 2011

497. Basement Blogger – December 4, 2011

Hugo was great. I love movies about movies. I did not know it was a theme of Hugo, I didn’t know anything about it, so it was a nice surprise to see Georges Melies show up as a character, and Ben Kingsley was fantastic as him!

Paris was beautiful! And it had a “bad guy” who turned out not to be so bad in the end.

Every so often I see a movie that reminds me how much I love movies. Star Trek 2009 did that for me, and nothing else I can think of really since then, until Hugo.

508. dmduncan - December 4, 2011

Honestly, I don’t really think Bob is misdirecting us. I think he just can’t say anything, and he probably doesn’t know what the truth is about what JJ said to HitFix.

Each time a new fact is released, like that Del Toro is considered for a role or that Alice Eve has been signed, they are just too vague to lead to any sure conclusions. We could go anywhere with such basic facts. Alice Eve could be anybody. So could Benicio Del Toro.

I personally don’t want to increase Bob’s stress level because he’s reading things he can’t adequately answer. Even though the speculation game is part of the fun in coming here, I think I’m just going to wait for facts to be revealed from now on, because there’s other fun things to do here besides that.

509. MJ - December 4, 2011

@261. Again, in post 261, Bob said:

“But i am touched by some if ya’lls concern for my cOnfidence!”

There it is – the Khan clue. Since that post, Bob has necessarily needed to provide some misdirection so that he doesn’t get in trouble with JJ and the studio, but his initial clue here said it all for me. It’s Khan, and Del Toro will be playing him.

510. Hat Rick - December 4, 2011

Uh-oh. Has the truth outed, like that damned spot in King Lear?

;-)

511. Hat Rick - December 4, 2011

^^ Macbeth, I mean. D’oh!

512. JP - December 4, 2011

I’m more convinced than ever that “Inside the Production” was cooked up by boborci and Anthony to misdirect us from the real story/characters that are going to be in the film.

513. VulcanFilmCritic - December 4, 2011

@454, 462 Spock/Uhura Fan and Keachick

I read a statistic that while Star Trek games and the movies attract predominantly male audiences, over 80% of fan fiction is written and read by women.

I once ventured into that soapy world once and picked the shortest story I could find at FanFiction.net. It was all about Spock’s baby living on board the Enterprise. Spock was married to James Kirk and he was running around trying to get the groceries he’d need to make dinner because his sister-in-law, Number One would be arriving at his cabin soon and….(well you get the picture.)

Now I applaud the burst of creativity at these websites, but it is obvious that the author had inserted just a little too much of herself and her busy day into this story which was presumably about Star Trek. I couldn’t make it past page 3.

Star Trek was written by men who had served in combat, but was humanized by a woman, D.C. Fontana. It is not a soap opera, much as many female fans would like to turn it into one. It is an action-adventure show, predominantly written by men. So let’s keep it that way.

Perhaps in your mind, you yourself would like to imagine what it would be like to marry Mr. Spock, most of us would NOT like to see this. Almost all action heros get really boring once they tie the knot. And then what?

Does Spock have to get up in the middle of the night to change the little green thing’s diapers and give him a bottle? No problem. Mr. Spock sleeps with his clothes on. In fact, he hardly sleeps at all.
Does Mr. Spock have to worry about getting a mortgage? No problem. The S’chn T’gai family has lots of land on Vulcan.
Does Mr. Spock have to deal with intrusive, pesky in laws? No problem. He can simply do a mind meld through the walls instructing them to leave.

Oh please. Don’t do this. Just say no to the whole Mint-Chocolate Chip Thing.

514. Jerry Modene - December 4, 2011

Maybe del Toro will play Joaquim? ;)

515. Keachick - rose pinenut - December 4, 2011

MJ – It was a typo. Bob does typos all the time.

#505 – I don’t want to see anyone get married either. Not ready for that. I’d just like to see a nice relationship develop between Kirk and girlfriend – they have a special bond which makes them feel connected (perhaps psychically) even when they are apart. The audience get to meet her and understand their developing mutual affection. It is not central. It is just there in the background, just as any Spock/Uhura relationship should be there, in the background.

#502 – My expressing a certain affection towards Chris Pine is a separate issue. It has nothing to do with the idea that Kirk is “married” to the Enterprise, his only true love etc, which people here have put forward. That is weird. I realize that the Enterprise represents an important part of Kirk’s life, but it’s a ship, a ship with a crew, most of whom Kirk does not know, nor is ever likely to know, partly because there are so many of them, many move on to other ships/assignments and because he keeps his distance most of the time, as the captain. Apart from Spock and Bones basically there just seemed to be nothing, no one else in Kirk’s life (TOS).

This group of writers need to treat James Kirk better and with more respect than has often been the case in the past.

The last I heard, Chris Pine is a real person who happens to play a character I love. He is not a ship, an inanimate object. I guess I must appear a bit emotionally “challenged” sometimes – no one is perfect. It could be described as a quirk. I just hope that if Chris Pine ever reads anything I write that he won’t feel embarrassed or offended in any way, because that is not my intention. I have never met him. I’d like to meet him one day. However, I doubt he would care in the least if he met me or not. Just another blushing female with nervous sweaty hands…such is life.

516. dmduncan - December 4, 2011

513: “I once ventured into that soapy world once and picked the shortest story I could find at FanFiction.net. It was all about Spock’s baby living on board the Enterprise. Spock was married to James Kirk and he was running around trying to get the groceries he’d need to make dinner because his sister-in-law, Number One would be arriving at his cabin soon and….(well you get the picture.)”

That’s hilarious. Also why I say fan-fic is great to play out all your personal fantasies in, but Star Trek on the big screen has to have more universal appeal. Twilighting Star Trek isn’t going to work for Star Trek. It certainly isn’t going to work for me I can tell you.

Those fan fic types of stories I think come from the desire to live in that world, to have the normalcy of daily details in that universe surround you. Which is okay. I wanted to be Paul Atreides riding sandworms on Dune for a long while.

517. Keachick - rose pinenut - December 4, 2011

#513 I can’t speak for Spock/Uhura Fan but you don’t really understand me at all. You do know that the Vulcan Tuvok of Star Trek Voyager had a wife and family back on Vulcan. Had it not been for events that plunged Voyager into the Delta Quadrant, then without doubt, Tuvok would have taken time away to visit his family. I mean, that’s what people do. Any healthy, normal society allows for family time, rest time and work time.

You make everything seem so mutually exclusive, so one dimensional and somehow deficient. What I am trying to do is to encourage a better balance be shown between work and personal time, even for captains and first officers, especially for captains and first officers.

518. VulcanFilmCritic - December 4, 2011

@517 Keachick: “Any thy, normal society allows for family time, rest time and work time.”

Who ever said Mr. Spock was “healthy?” Even by Vulcan standards he’s a little neurotic. And that’s the way I like him.

519. VulcanFilmCritic - December 4, 2011

@516 dmduncan

The “Twilighting” of “Star Trek!”

Indeed. LOL

520. On Vacation With Landru - December 4, 2011

I feel the need to point out that there are also female fans who do not want their Trek Twilighted. =p I still feel the need to scream “TMI ALERT!” when the whole Pon Farr thing comes up.

I think what ST is in a lot of fans heads is best left to fanfic and off the screen. ST is at its best when it has universal appeal and it fails miserably whenever it tries to focus too much in one direction – action/romance/drama/comedy, etc. Most fan wishes and actual fanfiction need to be very one dimensional unlike the multidimensional storylines you get when multiple people are involved in the storyline.

Also, I will very nearly laugh my butt off if all this chatter has been based on a simple typo. I hope we find out soon because I could stand to lose a few pounds. =D

521. Vultan - December 4, 2011

Yep. There’s nothing more that I’d like to see than Kirk and Spock and the boys taking a break between missions to go bowling. Or how about Uhura chatting with the gals in Enterprise’s beauty parlor, telling everyone how old pointy ears forgot their anniversary. Work and personal time. Yep.

I smell a best picture Oscar…

522. Spock/Uhura Fan - December 4, 2011

@ #501 Dee

Okay, so you like your fiction to be what I would call very imbalanced and unrealistic with very limited character growth, if any, while it appears as though you think that I like soap operas, which I don’t. Still, I respect that that’s your opinion and the fact that you are entitled to it.

@ #503 MJ

Well, you proved me right. ;-). That’s fine by me, but some would say that this is also the source of imbalance.

523. Spock/Uhura Fan - December 4, 2011

@513 – Vulcanfilmcritic and others

For the record, the Fanfic story you laid out was over the top to me and I would not have liked it either. In it, it is apparent that the writer just wrote out whatever they wanted and that ended up being an imbalance of another kind.

I cannot speak for others, but I’m not asking for Twilight, and I’ve already said so. There have been married couples on Trek and people raising their children and having families and it worked. What I think made Star Trek 2009 work on a more mainstream way was the fact that it WAS more balanced and so it appealed to a larger audience. And there are some people here that still seem to have a hard time taking that.

All I want is for the added and enhanced elements that provided that better balance to me to continue to grow along with the storyline and not get cut or starved off because some of the purists can’t take a sci-fi exploration story that also has things like love and feelings in it. Believe it or not, it is possible to write s balanced story. ST2009 has already proven that. I just hope they prove that again.

524. Spock/Uhura Fan - December 4, 2011

#521 – Vultan

Oh my, that’s not what I’m asking for, especially not in movie format. In a series where you have something like dozens to well over a hundred episodes to tell a story, then yes, there is time for more conversations like that, although Uhura doesn’t strike me as the chatty beauty parlor room type.

Still, I remember both times in the theater when I went to watch Star Trek 2009 that I along with the audience gave a fond little laugh when Kirk asks Spock “So, her first name’s Nyota?” and Spock declined answering in his Spock-like way. Now this was all about Kirk not getting the first name of a girl he liked after trying and then finding out that she’s already taken and with another guy. I applaud the way that it was done, and it didn’t come off as soapy to me.

525. AJ - December 4, 2011

Kirk’s entire arc throughout TOS, and, as such, pieced together by the subsequent films, was the loneliness of command, the ‘no beach to walk on,” which leads to “I’ll die alone.” The actual death of Kirk in ‘Generations’ is a non-sequitur.

Kirk’s ‘marriage’ to the Enterprise is a fundamental part of that character’s soul, as is Spock’s dedication to him in that role. In TOS, McCoy was also in there shaking things up as the conscience of what were the Big Three main characters.

“Love and feelings” have always been a huge part of Star Trek, but it has never been about Love & Marriage, though TNG attempted to rescue the Troi/Riker relationship with questionable success, but it was a light humorous subplot.

526. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 4, 2011

Didn’t mind the Spock-Uhura thing too much. But getting married and moving to the suburbs? Yeah, no.

dmducan, another movie I enjoyed almost as much as Hugo was Midnight in Paris, a romantic comedy by Woody Allen -so you know how that turns out.

527. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 4, 2011

The “cOnfidence” remark was the original ruse. In a whisper he walked it back later by agreeing with JJ.

528. dmduncan - December 4, 2011

526. moauvian waoul – aka: seymour hiney – December 4, 2011

You mean Spock sitting on his morning toilet reading the Starfleet Gazette with the door open, while Uhura rubs on the deodorant isn’t IMAX worthy eye popping 3D material?

529. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 4, 2011

IMAX yes! 3D? Not so much. I prefer scratch n sniff.

530. dmduncan - December 4, 2011

529. moauvian waoul – aka: seymour hiney – December 4, 2011

Scratch n sniff! Ooh, read that scene again. It’s pretty odoriferous.

531. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 4, 2011

Now add used diapers and we’re onto something. Academy material I tells ya.

532. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 4, 2011

Isn’t love grand?

533. Spock/Uhura Fan - December 5, 2011

@AJ

I am not asking for it to be about a marriage, but marriage is a natural – heck even a logical step when someone is in love, and it doesn’t have to happen right away, especially if there are to be more subsequent films.

Kirk’s dedication to the ship and Spock’s dedication to being first officer can both exist along side real personal lives. There are men and women that lead every day and they carry the weight of that responsibility alone even though have spouses or significant others. A half Vulcan man can be a dedicated First Officer and have a best friend and also have a healthy relationship with his girlfriend/fiancee/wife.

People can joke all they want but that’s not smelly or soapy garnering mock Oscar success, that’s a recipe for real success, and it’s already been proven with this first film.

534. MJ - December 5, 2011

@515 “MJ – It was a typo. Bob does typos all the time.”

You go right on believing that, Keachick.

PS: You have to do a special key plus the letter to capitalize any word on a iphone or any computer keyboard — it is extremely unlikely that you could accidentally put a capital letter in the middle of a work with all small lettters as a typo/mistake.

535. MJ - December 5, 2011

@527 “The “cOnfidence” remark was the original ruse. In a whisper he walked it back later by agreeing with JJ.”

No he didn’t. What he said about JJ was not definitive — read what he said again.

Bob is trying to backpeddel here now so as to create confusion, as he understandably doesn’t want to be blamed for leaking this out.

536. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 5, 2011

sure you kHan.

537. Odkin - December 5, 2011

I love how the female posters want to take everything that made Star Trek great and change it.

Both Kirk and Spock have made their choices in life. Kirk is married to the Enterprise. His various sexual escapades are mistresses. Period.

Spock is a Vulcan. He has human in him, but “nobody’s perfect”. Being Vulcan is his choice. That means he surpresses whatever he might feel about Chapel or anyone else. It hurts his little green heart sometimes, but it’s what he has to do.

Sorry this sounds sexist, but self-denial, discipline, and desire to “be alone” are MALE traits. Clearly Rose and Spock/Uhura just don’t understand how anyone can think this way.

It’s the utterly sterotypical example of a woman who loves someone who’s just perfect, and can’t wait to change him.

538. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 5, 2011

But which is the truth and which is the ruse? A-hah!

539. boborci - December 5, 2011

really? A capitalized O is a clue? I thought I was the cOnspiracy theorist!

540. boborci - December 5, 2011

534. You have to erase something and then your phone thinks you are starting a new sentence, and thus capitalizes it.

541. Odkin - December 5, 2011

IT’S Krazy How A Nutty bunch of die-hards won’t let something go.

542. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 5, 2011

Oh sh@t, Bob’s back.

543. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 5, 2011

So um, Bob, we were just having this discussion, perhaps you overheard, and so, without giving anything away…who’s right?

544. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 5, 2011

I knew it!

545. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 5, 2011

On to something else… Can you make the next movie scratch n sniff?

546. boborci - December 5, 2011

545. In space, you cant smell a thing.

547. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 5, 2011

Damn, you’re right.

548. Andrew - December 5, 2011

Bob, I just finished watching the last movie again and it was so good I had to watch it again with the commentary. I just want you to know that even though it’s gonna be four years in-between movies, watching the first movie you guys did makes me confident that whatever direction you take with the series is going to be well worth the wait.

549. Aurore - December 5, 2011

“I read a statistic that while Star Trek games and the movies attract predominantly male audiences, over 80% of fan fiction is written and read by women.”
_______

I “knew” a man who had been among the 20% of fan fiction male writers, at some point in his life. He once boasted to me thusly:

“I used to write fan fiction when I was 13, 14…”

Today, while I’m busy typing my important suggestions for the Star Trek sequel to Mr. Abrams, on the internet ( Spock and Uhura, Renesmee, Giovanna, Marie-Françoise, James Tiberius Kirk taking off a pink bathrobe before entering a shower unit, and so on and so forth…), I wonder where he is….I think his name was David…Linuf or something………….NO! I remember now; Damon Lindelof.

I wonder what has become of this loser, these days…

:)

http://trekmovie.com/2011/11/04/damon-lindelof-excited-to-reunite-with-j-j-abrams-for-star-trek-sequel/

550. Aurore - December 5, 2011

497. Basement Blogger – December 4, 2011

Bernie, you’ve been singing the praises of Hugo for days, now.
We don’t agree on everything, but, as far as movies are concerned, I know you’re standards are high. So are mine.

I’ll watch Hugo as soon as I can. And, I’ll get back to you on it.

551. MJ - December 5, 2011

Bob, I understand the need for the backpeddling here. WINK-WINK

(what would be the chance that the typo with the Capitalization would by “cOn” when the topic is Khan…come on, I was not born yesterday)

552. MJ - December 5, 2011

Again, it’s human nature here. Bob is probably thinking, “shit, I went to far with this clue…got to backtrack here now.” I understand that — I’d be doing the same thing if I was Bob.

553. Aurore - December 5, 2011

550. Correction.
you’re = your

554. Keachick - rose pinenut - December 5, 2011

#537 – “Kirk is married to the Enterprise. His various sexual escapades are mistresses. Period.”
Funnily enough, a guy (from another site) commented on how Kirk couldn’t seem to love properly and was fickle. It was this MALE who saw Kirk’s behaviour as being sluttish.

“Sorry this sounds sexist, but self-denial, discipline, and desire to “be alone” are MALE traits. Clearly Rose and Spock/Uhura just don’t understand how anyone can think this way.
It’s the utterly sterotypical example of a woman who loves someone who’s just perfect, and can’t wait to change him.”

You’re damned right. It is sexist and it’s bullshit. Self-denial, discipline and desire to “be alone” are HUMAN traits!

Anyway, this is an alternate universe. Nobody has to be “married” to anyTHING or anybody. Spock does not chose to be Vulcan in this alternate timeline – he bravely choses to be SPOCK – a vulcan/human being!

BTW, for the record, neither Spock/Uhura Fan nor myself ever likened what we are saying to any Twilight or any other romance movie, television programme, novel or fan-fiction. That is all your doing (other posters on this board), your presumptions, your projections, your fears!

555. VulcanFilmCritic - December 5, 2011

@549 Aurore: “I wonder where he is….I think his name was David…Linuf or something………….NO! I remember now; Damon Lindelof.

I wonder what has become of this loser, these days…:)”

Did he write “Slash” in those days? Please say no.
So which one of the guys is responsible for the smooch on the transporter pad?

556. Aurore - December 5, 2011

“Did he write “Slash” in those days? Please say no.”

Are you willing to accept a….”Maybe”?
I do not know the answer to that question, but…does it really matter?

:)

“So which one of the guys is responsible for the smooch on the transporter pad?”

It’s the guy who deserves a : “Merci, monsieur”, from me.

557. Admiral_BlackCat - December 5, 2011

Variety is now reporting that Peter Weller of Robocop fame will be co-starring in the sequel. Maybe he’ll be the “older supporting character” to the antagonist.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118046987

558. Gordon Ramsey's knife - December 5, 2011

557…..He has been picked to play Boothbe’s father

559. Scioto - December 5, 2011

woohoo! A remake of the episode ” Space Seed”. Can’t wait to plunk down almost ten dollars to go watch that! You go JJ!

560. Aurore - December 5, 2011

“I used to write fan fiction when I was 13, 14 and now I’m getting paid to write fan fiction, and it’s getting made. It does not get any better, literally.”

:)

561. VulcanFilmCritic - December 5, 2011

@557. Admiral_BlackCat. Thanks for the tip about Peter Weller.

Hmmm…an interesting choice. With those extremely chiseled features and cold blue eyes, and also his role in Robocop, I doubt he’s going to play a mensch.
Let’s see: Android? Nah. Too pat and too close to Robocop.
Mad Eugenics guy? Perhaps a holdover from the neo-Nazis? Yeah. I’d buy that…for a dollar.
Andorian? He’s got the look. Just add blue paint and horns.

I doubt they’d waste him for just another Starship captain or a member of the admiralty.

562. VulcanFilmCritic - December 5, 2011

@557. Admiral_BlackCat. Thanks for the tip about Peter Weller.

Hmmm…an interesting choice. With those extremely chiseled features and cold blue eyes, and also his role in Robocop, I doubt he’s going to play a mensch.
Let’s see: Android? Nah. Too pat and too close to Robocop.
Mad Eugenics guy? Perhaps a holdover from the neo-Nazis? Yeah. I’d buy that…for a dollar.
Andorian? He’s got the look. Just add blue paint and horns.

I doubt they’d waste him for just another Starship captain or a member of the admiralty.

563. Captain Hackett - December 5, 2011

Peter Weller – a great addition to the new movie!

He appeared as John Frederick Paxton in Star Trek: Enterprise.

564. chrisfawkes.com - December 5, 2011

The ultimate insult would be to bring Khan back but not Shatner.

565. Gordon Ramsey's knife - December 5, 2011

Bringing back Shatner would be like bringing back Sean Connery to do 007…

566. Shatner_Fan_Prime - December 5, 2011

Peter Weller for Captain Garth of Izar!!! :-)

567. Hugh Hoyland - December 5, 2011

My guess is still Khan, with a twist! And yep I’m geeking out about it. Either way I think all Trekkers will love it.

Dang I cant wait. :]

568. Bryan - December 5, 2011

I have to say if they decide to do a Movie with Khan I simply won’t watch it. There’s already been an episode and a film focused on Khan and frankly I want to see some new stuff. The whole purpose of the Rebooted/Revised/ Alterniqual is to create a new vision, new storys and new audience.

Enough is enough. It took Rick Berman 5 years worth of shows to damage Star Trek in people’s opinions… JJ will have done it in 3 hours.

569. falcon - December 5, 2011

Damn, there’s a lot of comments in this thread.

Here’s an idea, and if it’s been covered before, sorry, but I wasn’t going to sift through 568 comments.

How about if Khan Noonien Singh is – wait for it – a fellow Starship captain? Don’t make him a genetically-engineered Superman bent on ruling the world, but make him a normal man with a lot of power at his fingertips, a lot of ego, and a bit of a Napoleon complex – and an axe to grind. The Federation is figuring out what to do in the wake of Vulcan’s destruction, and Khan wants to exact revenge on – well, whoever gets in his way.

Yes, it’s derivative (Capt. Tracy in “The Omega Glory,” Commodore Decker in “The Doomsday Machine”), but it puts a familiar character with familiar character traits in an unfamiliar situation. Hell, just for grins have him kidnap Chekov and put a bug in his ear. And while Starfleet has another “confab” to figure out what to do with the errant commander, Kirk & Co. decide to take decisive action.

No Genesis device, no Mutara nebula, no Carol Marcus (well, okay, maybe a little Carol Marcus – but no wet-behind-the-ears infant David), and no Regula One space station.

But maybe a little “KHAAAAAN!”

570. Estel - December 5, 2011

Has it been posted yet? Robocop is in the next Trek:

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118046987?

571. Roobydoo - December 5, 2011

Buckaroo meets Trek. I like it!

572. Spock/Uhura Fan - December 5, 2011

@#537 – Odkin

I didn’t change anything. In the last film, if you watched it, Spock chose Uhura and was advised by Spock Prime to do what ‘feels right’ as opposed to just being you average Vulcan. I’m glad for that and that is what I said I liked and would like to see more of.

So, no Keachick and I are not trying to change the characters, but you and some others do seem to want to box them into your fantasy or perception of who they are. If anything, we are asking that the be allowed to continue growing so that they can be more of who they are instead of cutting themselves off from parts of themselves that in fact are themselves if you follow. They should be allowed to have full lives instead of being boxed in to what happened with different versions of themselves in another life. I signed on to this Trek to see the difference in choices that these characters make that ultimately defines who THESE characters are in this timeline. It seems to me like it’s people like yourself who are trying to take something great (Star Trek 2009) and change it to fit a story that’s already been told before several decades ago.

573. number6 - December 5, 2011

Or have Shatner play Khan.

574. Travis - December 5, 2011

@ Spock/Uhura Fan: You really do think the relationship between Spock and Uhura is going to go to the next level???… Can i ask you a question and not to be rude… Have you seen TOS before???… Have you seen star Trek before the 2009 feature film???… Yes marriage and children does happen in the Federation but not during the 23rd century… Espically during Kirk’s time as captain. The Federation did NOT allow family members nor Children aboard Federation starships during this time period… Reason???… Because the Federation was at a tense period between the Klingons and Romulans. There was no peace tready bewteen either sides and conflicts was too high. During middle 24th century during Picard’s tenture as Captain of the Enterprise-D is when familes and childen were allowed aboard starships… Different time and Federation. Now as to Spock and Uhura… Not going to the second level, not getting engaged, and not getting married and most def. not having kids. The writers and Star Trek Fans ( like me ) arent going to risk losing Uhura to motherhood… Sorry but it ant happening :).

Now to you other fans who dont want to see Khan…. Look Khan belongs in this reboot of Star Trek. Yes, I think he’s more of a violent enemy to Kirk than the Klingons will ever be. If not for Khan then Star Trek franchise and Star Trek II would NOT have put star trek on the map and the second, highest gross film behind 2009 film. But may i remind you fans that still TILL THIS DAY… Star Trek II is still the MOST popular film in the movie franchise and the most watched. Del Toro fits a perfect Khan and believe me it will make this sequel take off just like it did in 1982 with The Wrath of Khan. Remember this well… When Nero came to the 23rd century… he DID NOT change the entire timeline… esspically the past!. A example: When nero came thru and changed the timeline it only changed the forward time… So Captian Archer Enterprise NX-01, Voyager 6 from Nasa, S.S. Botany Bay… They never changed… Which means Kirk will find and wake Khan… You fans can not stop this from happening… its already writtin!!!!

575. Travis - December 5, 2011

This is a quote from JJ Abrams, a interview to MTV about the Sequel and why JJ more than likely will pick Khan…. Abrams told MTV, “[Khan and Kirk] exist — and while their history may not be exactly as people are familiar with, I would argue that a person’s character is what it is,” Abrams said of the notion that his Khan could be just as evil, even if Kirk never stranded him on Ceti Alpha V. “Certain people are destined to cross paths and come together, and Khan is out there… even if he doesn’t have the same issues.”

576. LWR - December 5, 2011

why not have it be Kahn as a Re-imaging of the Space SEED episode( I have to agree with #28, it cannot be a revision of TWOK since Kirk has not met Kahn yet, not to mention Kirk is young and not old and fat). remember that Joker was Batman’s greatest villian and that turned out kind of successful don’t you think? Just envision Space Seed with the right actor, script, and MONEY behind the production….

577. Ensign Ricky - December 5, 2011

I hear Peter Weller has been signed on.

578. LWR - December 5, 2011

…and yes, in #576 I spelled Khan wrong. my typing dyselxia at work.

579. Captain Hackett - December 5, 2011

To no. 570

It has already posted here at no. 557. :)

580. Trekman_dave - December 5, 2011

Web link to Peter weller http://m.totalfilm.com/news/peter-weller-joins-star-trek-2

581. Estel - December 5, 2011

@579

Dammit!!! :P

582. Jai - December 5, 2011

Marshall, re: #435:

“are you a female”

No, and if you’d actually bothered reading what I’d written on this thread before you posted that predictably trollish comment then you’d be aware of that.

“Because that would explain your obsession with Hrithik Roshan being cast as Khan.”

The “obsession” is in your own mind. It’s also a curious choice of words coming from someone who describes Khan as a “sacred Trek role”. Iconic, yes; important, absolutely; but describing a fictional sci-fi character as “sacred” really is taking things a little too far.

Since last year, a couple of regular Trekmovie commenters, occasionally including myself, have made suggestions about casting choices for Khan when the subject has come up. My own contribution to the discussion has been very infrequent; as other Trekmovie regulars (including Bob Orci) know, I’ve actually said outright that I have no interest in belaboring the point.

On a handful of occasions, I’ve suggested one actor who I think would be a particularly good fit for the role, and I’ve provided reasons for why this is the case (mainly for the benefit of the Star Trek sequel’s writers & producers), but I’ve also previously suggested other non-Indian actors. If it’s going to be an older Khan then there are obviously suitable veteran Indian actors for that scenario too.

Ultimately, Star Trek is JJ, Bob Orci and Damon’s project, no doubt they have various priorities and ideas they want to focus on, and I’m sure they’ll also thoroughly research any potential candidates for the role of Khan. On top of that, there’s the matter of the actors involved a) being interested in the role, and b) successfully making it through the auditions. All the rest of us can do is provide friendly suggestions and then leave the decision up to Bob Orci & co.

So don’t worry; in the highly unlikely situation of Hrithik Roshan potentially “butchering” the role, he won’t make it through the auditions in the first place. If Hrithik is successful in getting the job, then it’s a good idea to remember that Bob Orci and his team’s previous excellent casting decisions demonstrate that they know exactly what they’re doing. Give them a little more credit.

We’ll have to disagree about the rest of your comment, given that there are already a number of well-known Bollywood actors who are now making headway in Hollywood with very prestigious roles in major films. Attempting to promote an obsolete, inaccurate and patronising picture of the situation does a huge disservice to those actors and also to anyone else from the Indian film industry that has the potential to break into Hollywood.

583. Sam - December 5, 2011

Wow! Lots of discussion going on here. First I think some are blowing what spock/uhura fan was saying about the romance out of proportion. As someone who enjoyed the relationship in the first film and who hopes it will continue, no I dont think Spock and Uhura need to get married or have babies in order to show that they are in a committed long term relationship. However, I dont think a brief discussion about them possibly getting married, or having children ( perhaps in the last film) is equal to the whole film suddenly being about marriage and parenthood. I think that any decent writer would be capable of showing two committed in love adults balancing out both thier professional and personal lives. A few minutes of screen time being used to show that these two characters are very much together and plan on making it for the long haul will not detract from the rest of the film exploring and developing other relationships and or any obstacles the Enterprise crew might face.

For me personally I dont think we will see marriage or children and I dont think we need to. That would probably be something better explored on tv then in a film. however, I do hope we see that these two characters are very much together and what that they have is real and true and meaningful to them. I believe that doing all of this is possible with a few scenes or as a minor subplot, and doing so does not mean that trek has to become a soap opera or overly romantic. it also doesnt mean that we cant focus on who these two characters are as individuals, as starfleet officers, or what thier connections are like with other members of the crew.

Now as to the villian of the film, I hope we see someone other than khan. while I love the character, I feel that in an alternate universe the writers have the ability to explore things that have never been seen before and thats part of the excitment to me. Seeing new angles when it comes to familar characters and bringing in new elements would make for a great sequel. I thoroughly enjoyed what Orci and everyone involved did with the first film and have faith that they will make the next one even better.

584. boborci - December 5, 2011

It was either gonna be Peter Weller or Ernest BORGnine.

585. Jai - December 5, 2011

Peter Weller would be great in the sequel. Fantastic addition to the cast, if the rumour turns out to be accurate.

Re: #575:

“Abrams told MTV, “[Khan and Kirk] exist — and while their history may not be exactly as people are familiar with, I would argue that a person’s character is what it is,” Abrams said of the notion that his Khan could be just as evil, even if Kirk never stranded him on Ceti Alpha V. “Certain people are destined to cross paths and come together, and Khan is out there… even if he doesn’t have the same issues.”

It’s difficult to tell how to interpret that. The first part seems to say that Khan’s basic character is “as evil” as it supposedly was in TOS and TWOK. The second part says that Khan “doesn’t have the same issues”. Hmm, isn’t the second part contradicting the first ?

I’ve always found it weird when people describe Khan as some kind of Hitler-type incarnation of evil. He’d obviously gone nuts by TWOK, but the Space Seed version was nothing like that. Khan is more of an anti-hero at that stage. Kirk is even shown as admiring Khan as a historical figure. ST canon actually describes Khan as the most benevolent of the autocrats who seized power.

This is what the Wikipedia page on Khan says:

“Khan had been both the most successful conqueror and the most benign ruler of the group, ruling a more than a fourth of the world’s area across Asia to the Middle East from 1992 to 1996 with a firm but generally peaceful hand until he was deposed.”

And this is from the Star Trek Memory Alpha page on Khan:

“From 1992 to 1996, Khan was absolute ruler of more than one-quarter of Earth’s population, including regions of Asian and the Middle East. Considered “the best of tyrants”, he severely curtailed the freedoms of his subjects, but his reign was an exception to similar circumstances in Earth history – lacking massacres or internal war.”

That actually makes Khan a latter-day version of Alexander the Great or Julius Caesar. He’s not Hitler or Bin Laden; not by a long shot.

This actually raises an interesting question. Given Khan’s place as a towering figure in Earth’s history, it was a little strange that the Enterprise officers didn’t recognise him the moment they saw him and especially as soon as Khan opened his mouth. It would be like JFK turning up and nobody recognising him either. But I guess it would have ended up being a much shorter TOS episode if they’d dealt with that little plot hole ;)

586. Gary S. - December 5, 2011

#583
I agree with your entire post .
Well Said Sam.

587. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 5, 2011

I don’t know, maybe Uhura and Spock should have kids. We could watch them grow up and have their own adventures, a la the Pebbles And Bamm Bamm show. It can be called, wait for it: Star Trek: The Next Generation. Runs and hides, falls down, has convulsions.

588. Adolescent Nightmare - December 5, 2011

If Khan is ruled out does that mean tribbles are ruled in?

589. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 5, 2011

584. boborci –
“It was either gonna be Peter Weller or Ernest BORGnine.”

You’re terrible.

590. Lt. Dakin - December 5, 2011

Amazingly, Peter Weller guested on Enterprise.

591. Stephan - December 5, 2011

@boborci:

Hey bob, can you tell us how many “big stars” still have to be cast? I am asking because I am still waiting for the “A-lister” that shoud pull us Europeans into the cinema. Especially here in Germany someone is needed to catch attention!

Greetings,

Stephan

592. alec - December 5, 2011

Star Trek 12: the tribble uprising.

Innumerable tribbles spawn and the Klingons, who deep down want to be loved and can’t understand why the tribbles don’t like them, send fleet after fleet of ships after them. It’s a representation of our limited resources, our infinite desires, and our ultimate self-defeating materialism.

Or how about Trek’s greatest ever villain. Khan! Khan! Khan! I want Khan to come back.

593. Borgminister - December 5, 2011

@584

You are EVIL!

594. Vultan - December 5, 2011

Peter Weller! Awesome!

And Ernest Borgnine may very well be some kind of cyborg. The guy is in his nineties and doesn’t look much older than 65 or 70. Would be cool if he was in Star Trek. He was great in Disney’s “The Black Hole.” You know, the one without the red matter. ;)

595. John from Cincinnati - December 5, 2011

Doing a Star Trek movie without Khan would be like doing a Batman movie without the Joker or a Superman movie without Lex Luthor.

596. John from Cincinnati - December 5, 2011

or a Star Wars movie without Darth Vader

597. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 5, 2011

Star Trek is soooo much more than Khan. Our scope is shrinking.

598. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 5, 2011

Fell like I’m stuck on a Habba-trail.

599. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 5, 2011

Star Wars is a saga, a single story, with the same villains. The others are comic books.

600. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 5, 2011

Fell should be feel. These phones! Right Bob?

601. lostrod - December 5, 2011

Hmm.

What if Peter Weller will be playing a Borg?

His Robocop experience will come in handy :)

Regards.

602. Rod of Rassilon - December 5, 2011

To quote JJ “kirk died”

Ans so the fupp did Khan, khan is dead

D. E. A. D. = K. H. A. N.

603. Aurore - December 5, 2011

497. Basement Blogger – December 4, 2011
_________

The movie will be released on December,14,2011, here.

604. VulcanFilmCritic - December 5, 2011

@576 LWR. Interesting contrast. Star Trek XII and “The Dark Knight.”

I seem to remember JJ Abrams being quoted as saying he wanted to make a “dark” movie like Christopher Nolan did with “The Dark Knight.”
I didn’t interpret that quote at the time a s being a literal re-imagining of Khan, as the joker was in “The Dark Knight.”

So referring back to “Space Seed” which is not exactly “light” fare, how dark can we get with the original material?
What secret does the SS Botany Bay hold? What could Khan possibly do that would be darker than taking over the Enterprise and dominating the galaxy?
Mutilating the Captain? (Pike)
Torturing Uhura in front of Spock?
Actually kill someone? Sarak perhaps

And what would the tie-in be with a jungle planet?
Maybe something like “Heart of Darkness” where the relatively young and idealistic crew of the Enterprise are asked to do something really harsh and repugnant, like terminate a megalomaniac superman like Khan with “extreme prejudice.”

605. captain_neill - December 5, 2011

601

Weller was great as John Frederick Paxton on Enterprise. And to me the only RoboCop.

606. SciFiJunky - December 5, 2011

With the addition of Peter Weller, perhaps the new movie will link back to the two part Enterprise episode he guest starred in? Cloning was a plot point with T’Pol and Tucker’s baby so maybe Weller is a clone of the original Paxtton and BDT is a rogue starship captain in league with the terrorist organization Terra Prime?

607. Keachick - rose pinenut - December 5, 2011

#584 Now that was no typo! Tease!…:)

Peter Weller is to play the mentor to Del Toro’s character. Khan in Space Seed did not have a mentor, but it is more than likely that one of the Klingon commanders from TOS series could have had an older mentor.

#602 At this point, neither Kirk nor Khan is dead, unless the writers have Khan die earlier in this alt. universe than in the prime one.

608. Bart - December 5, 2011

You fools who want a villain: you are everything that Star Trek is NOT! Narrowminded thinking that only a ST movie can be great with a villain or Khan, please…

NO VILLAIN!!!!!

609. John from Cincinnati - December 5, 2011

If Kirk is dead than what role is Chris Pine playing?????????

610. Gary Makin - December 5, 2011

@boborci – or Ernest Borgsevenofnine.

611. John from Cincinnati - December 5, 2011

608. “You fools who want a villain: you are everything that Star Trek is NOT! Narrowminded thinking”

So, you are describing yourself then?

*Newsflash* Star Trek has villains! Klingons, Romulans, Gorn, M5 Computer, Nomad, Trelane, Q, The Borg and Khaaaaaaaan!

You see, Star Trek was created to be an action/adventure show so that usually takes, Villains. The concept here is Protaganonist versus Antagonist. (Antagonist – synonym Villain)

612. Jefferies Tuber - December 5, 2011

Weller looks Vulcan.

613. Shannon Nutt - December 5, 2011

For whatever reason, I’m thinking Klingon when it comes to Del Torro, and Starfleet brass when it comes to Weller.

614. Simpleton - December 5, 2011

Peter Weller has been castes according to trekweb.com

615. Vultan - December 5, 2011

Star Trek usually doesn’t have “villains” in the classical sense—meaning the evil snarling baddie who must be destroyed at all costs, like with Star Wars and other things. They’re usually people/creatures with their own agendas, or case may be “programming,” that doesn’t line up with human morality.

In other words, they’re often more human than the humans of Roddenberry’s future utopia, and are often used to illustrate modern humanity’s—our—failings. That’s one of Trek’s greatest strengths, and if it doesn’t have that moral center, that lesson, then it’s not really Trek any more.

It’s “Trek-a-war-a-lactica, Part Two.”

616. Spike - December 5, 2011

The story is not up on here yet but Peter Weller just joined the cast of the next Star Trek.

617. Keachick - rose pinenut - December 5, 2011

Some of us don’t necessarily want Star Trek to be about fighting the bad guys, but there is no doubt that Star Trek has had its share of “villains”, whether they are individuals or an Empire (Klingon). Often those considered “villains” by Starfleet and Federation for various reasons can be the same reasons given by those who consider SF/Federation to be bad. I am thinking of the comment made by Gorkon’s daughter in ST:TUC about the Federation and humans.

618. Craiger - December 5, 2011

I got the action segment from the sequel since Bob said Borgnine would be in it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO_Bfdbc_pE&feature=related

619. Christopher Roberts - December 5, 2011

616. What? As John Frederick Paxton?

620. Craiger - December 5, 2011

#610 Probably as that older father figure to Del Toro’s part.

621. Craiger - December 5, 2011

619 Probably as that older advisor figure to Del Toro’s part.

622. Craiger - December 5, 2011

My 620 post can be deleted sorry, I responding to the wrong person.

623. Christopher Roberts - December 5, 2011

Cheers, Craiger! Even so… Peter Freakin’ Weller. Woo-hoo.

Probably in heavy alien make-up as a Klingon or a Romulan, so no chance to reference ENTERPRISE.

Unless Bob Orci or anybody had given some thought to *cough* *cough* getting Scott Bakula for a cameo!

624. ME!! - December 5, 2011

They’ve stated it’ll be an established character from the Trek universe and that it isn’t Khan. My money is on one of three characters…

1. Kor

2. Koloth

3. Kang

…but not the storylines associated with any of them. Clearly, from the dialog in Trouble With Tribbles, we can ascertain that Koloth has a history with Kirk. They obviously know each other. If I had to venture a guess of the three, I’d say Kor, however it could be any of them since the Abrams-verse is in flux.

625. Spock/Uhura Fan - December 5, 2011

@# 574 Travis

Okay Travis, can I ask you a question? Did you read my previous comments saying that this kind of living started in TNG’s time period in the prime timeline, and then I said that in THIS timeline it is different because again IN THE STAR TREK 2009 MOVIE at the very beginning we she Kirk’s father as the first officer of the USS Kelvin – and guess who’s living ON THE SHIP with him – HIS PREGNANT WIFE. He died saving her while she was in labor giving birth to their son, James T. Kirk.

So, your theory as to what kind of living can and cam’t happen in this timeline have already been blown out of the water by the actual 2009 film.

And yes, I do think that Spock and Uhura getting engaged can happen. As for a baby, there is such a thing as birth control/contraceptives, and what makes you think that they haven’t had sex already? You know what, nevermind. I withdraw this last question because I already know what you are going to say because I’ve already heard it and debated it before and I don’t feel like going in circles.

626. Spock/Uhura Fan - December 5, 2011

@#583 Sam

Thank you for actually reading and understanding what I have been saying.

627. Spock/Uhura Fan - December 5, 2011

And as an add on to my #626 post, I do hope to see a wedding or at least know that they’ve been married by the last film, preferably with a little flashfoward of them with their future child.

628. Spock/Uhura Fan - December 5, 2011

And as an add on to my #625 post, I do hope to see a wedding or at least know that they’ve been married by the last film, preferably with a little flashfoward of them with their future child.

629. Spock/Uhura Fan - December 5, 2011

Something happened. Post #628 is the correct post.

630. Anthony Pascale - December 5, 2011

It should be noted that only I (and other contributors) can edit our own typos. boborci is in the same boat as the rest of you guys…his live on forever.

RE: conspiracy theory re: “Inside the Production”
Um no. Dont feed the trolls. That is what they want.

This happened last time around and I want to be more vigilant this time as other sites follow our comments section and sometimes write articles based on comments here. So there will be no more faux “insiders” posting here, just real insiders like Bob.

However, the tipline is always open for anyone who has a real (and verifyable) scoop.

631. Admiral_BlackCat - December 5, 2011

Thanks Anthony. Glad to see you active again around here.

632. Harry Ballz - December 5, 2011

Peter Weller would be dirt cheap to cast! How about a big name TALENTED actor?

633. dmduncan - December 5, 2011

584. boborci – December 5, 2011

It was either gonna be Peter Weller or Ernest BORGnine.

***

Now that is freakin funny.

634. dmduncan - December 5, 2011

If I see the family life of Spock-n-Uhura in this movie I will hurl an intense divergent flow of projectile vomit.

635. NCM - December 5, 2011

There’ll always be an abundance of shows, movies exploring life’s great balancing act – family, work, personal growth…, but good action adventure sci-fi is a rare opportunity to indulge in fantastic escapism; which, at least in part, explains why so many of us can hardly wait!!

The Waltons earned accolades and a large following, but I doubt there are similar forums speculating about the next great family drama – for many of us, it could be around the dinner bell.

I don’t think most men or women (XX chromosomes talking, here), go to sci-fi movies to see heroes, villains, and aliens balance their lives.

Rather than wish Spock to find balance in family, as surely most of us do so well, perhaps we should seek balance as he does – through mediation.

636. Yammer - December 5, 2011

nymag is claiming that del Toro is out but that he was up for Khan.

Which slightly annoys me — I love Trek09 and I trust the new gang but I don’t quite see how Khan would be a good idea. Too iconic.

637. NCM - December 5, 2011

584. boborci – December 5, 2011

It was either gonna be Peter Weller or Ernest BORGnine.

Bob’s a tricky one. Notice borgNINE! That’s it! That is it!! Weller, a Borg, introduces his Peter (yes, I’m embarrassed) to (Eve’s) Seven of Nine and their offspring, Ernest brings together… train derailed.

638. Aurore - December 5, 2011

“If I see the family life of Spock-n-Uhura in this movie I will hurl an intense divergent flow of projectile vomit.”
________

No.
You won’t . Not you.

Who are you? Some kind of wuss or a…former Marine?

:)

639. dmduncan - December 5, 2011

638. Aurore – December 5, 2011

I have to choose?

640. dmduncan - December 5, 2011

Subliminal messages surreptiTiously or unconscIously hidden in miscapiTalized words? Oh pleaSe.

641. Aurore - December 5, 2011

639. dmduncan – December 5, 2011
638. Aurore – December 5, 2011
I have to choose?
__________

BeTWeEn (yes, choose!) WhaT aNd (ChOose!!!) wHat?

642. dmduncan - December 5, 2011

Was streaming Neverland, Part 1, on the comp last night (featuring the lovely Qorianka Kilcher, who’s also an awesome activist), and it opens with a quote:

“Second star to the right, and straight on till morning.”

Then I discovered that’s a J.M Barrie/Neverland reference! I didn’t know that; I never read those books.

So when Kirk says at the end of TUC, “Second star to the right, and straight on till morning,” he’s giving the directions for how to get to the land where people never age.

After all these years, I learn a meaningful new thing about TUC. What a wonderful line to have ended the TOS movies on.

643. dmduncan - December 5, 2011

641. Aurore – December 5, 2011

Okay! I have chosen.

644. Craiger - December 5, 2011

Breaking News!!! Del Toro drops out of monetary issues. Also Vulture is saying Khan is the villian.

http://collider.com/benicio-del-toro-drops-out-star-trek-sequel/130440/

645. Aurore - December 5, 2011

“So when Kirk says at the end of TUC, “Second star to the right, and straight on till morning,” he’s giving the directions for how to get to the land where people never age.”

Amazing.

I always loved to think that my seven heroes lived for ever.
So this was a perfect ending,to me. Especially, in light of what you’ve just said.

646. dmduncan - December 5, 2011

Lol! The Collider guy sounds irritated that JJ won’t come clean about the villain’s identity.

Well, if it is Khan, I’m glad Del Toro dropped out. That leaves an opening for Jai’s recommendation of a genuine Indian actor Hrithik Roshan, if JJ is bold enough to consider that route, which I hope he is.

If he is not, I once again suggest Mark Strong as the alternative, who at least has more charisma than Del Toro.

647. Spock/Uhura Fan - December 5, 2011

@ NCM – “I don’t think most men or women (XX chromosomes talking, here), go to sci-fi movies to see heroes, villains, and aliens balance their lives. ”

I think we do, even if that’s not the primary reason that comes to mind. The good movies I have watched had the hero looking for a certain balance for themselves and for the world around them. It’s the evil or enemy that stands in the way and the complications ahead that force the hero(es) to have to deal with those things in an effort to either maintain or create balance (and no, I’m not just talking about Star Wars and bringing balance to”the force,” but that is an example and one of the most obvious).

Usually, part of the tragedy (or in some cases ‘the tragedy’) ends up being that in fighting to balance the world around the hero, his/her/their personal lives end up really out of balance (think of batman’s lonliness and desire to have a life with someone, but Gotham keeps calling every night and his days are filled with recouperating and putting on airs as Bruce Wayne and the responsibilities that come along with that). Almost all of the time the hero wants nothing more than to have something close to a ‘normal’ and balanced life, but the needs of the many always seem to get in the way, and so he/she sacrifices his/her needs as “the few” in order for the many to have the balance that they want and need in their lives.

That doesn’t mean that the hero can’t or won’t get that balance eventually, but it does mean that it is a human need for him/her while he/she puts it off as a necessary sacrifice for a time. Notice I said for a time, and that’s part of the hope in watching those kinds of movies or reading those kinds of stories. In this case, I’m glad that Spock and Uhura are not torchured souls wanting to be together but denying themselves that because there is work to do.

Luckily, as a part of Starfleet, they are not the lone guardians of the planet or peace in space in general. There is an entire fleet to Starfleet that allows them to not have to shoulder most work related burden/responsibilites alone, and that for me is the appeal of the team/crew, the fact that they can all rely on each other to make it and to make the intergalactic realm a better place.

Villains tend to want an intense imbalance of power, resources, and other things that heavily favors them. To me, the conflict arises in the fact that this causes suffering and brutal inequities that the hero(es) have to correct by swinging that balance of power, resources, et cetera out of the villain’s favor and put it back in its place. This, to me, is classic “good guy/bad guy” “hero vs. villain” story telling.

You may not think it’s about balance vs. imbalance on all levels, but really, when you break it down to its simplest form – it is.

648. dmduncan - December 5, 2011

645. Aurore – December 5, 2011

Amazing.

I always loved to think that my seven heroes lived for ever.
So this was a perfect ending,to me. Especially, in light of what you’ve just said.

***

I know, right? Understanding that gives the ending of TUC a new and better feeling. Given the discussion between Kirk and Spock about having grown so old that they are no longer useful, those words, coming at the end, are particularly poignant.

649. Spock/Uhura Fan - December 5, 2011

And I’m still rooting for that engagement in the next film. ;-)

650. Borgminister - December 5, 2011

@644

Good, maybe they can get an A-lister for the role… ;)

651. Spock/Uhura Fan - December 5, 2011

@#634 dmduncan

And I’ll be happy to sit next to you and hold out the barf bag if only I could be so lucky to see that happen by the last film. :-)

Again, they don’t have to move fast, and going off of their characters, I don’t think they’ll have children any time too soon. I do see them getting engaged/married, though.

652. dmduncan - December 5, 2011

651. Spock/Uhura Fan – December 5, 2011

@#634 dmduncan

And I’ll be happy to sit next to you and hold out the barf bag if only I could be so lucky to see that happen by the last film. :-)

***

Oh you can sit next to me just fine. Just don’t sit anywhere within a 15 foot long 30 degree arc in front of me.

653. Spock/Uhura Fan - December 5, 2011

That, I can do. I like to sit farther back anyway so as to take in the whole screen better. Sitting too close puts a crook in my neck from looking up and the screen is too big when I’m that close. So, you’re very safe when it comes to that. Besides, I’ve gotta be there with the bag for you, right? :-)

654. Aurore - December 5, 2011

“I know, right? Understanding that gives the ending of TUC a new and better feeling. Given the discussion between Kirk and Spock about having grown so old that they are no longer useful, those words, coming at the end, are particularly poignant.”

Indeed.

This last scene felt like saying “good bye”, for the last time, to a dear friend.
I was heartbroken, I must say.

Deciding that they would live eternally, made the whole sequence bearable.

655. dmduncan - December 5, 2011

654. Aurore – December 5, 2011

Deciding that they would live eternally, made the whole sequence bearable.

***

And now you know: Kirk felt the same way.

656. Aurore - December 5, 2011

641. Aurore – December 5, 2011

Okay! I have chosen.
_______

Yeah…I know; you will vomit with dignity, I’m sure…

:)

657. Aurore - December 5, 2011

“And now you know: Kirk felt the same way.”
( Thanks to you )

Got to go.

Good night, dmduncan.
Good night, everyone.

658. dmduncan - December 5, 2011

656. Aurore – December 5, 2011

Yeah…I know; you will vomit with dignity, I’m sure…

:)

***

Que bella! Mwa mwa mwa mwa!

Good night Aurore!

659. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 5, 2011

dmducan, you’re going to empty your stomach huh? Got you beat pal. Not going to stop with my stomach…so steer clear! Consider yourselves warned. :O

660. dmduncan - December 5, 2011

659. moauvian waoul – aka: seymour hiney – December 5, 2011

Okay bud, we work together on this one. Here’s the plan. I’ll cover the front, and you cover the rear.

661. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 5, 2011

Got it! In the field of battle I yield to your stratagem. :)

662. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - December 5, 2011

Yeah TUC wouldn’t have been the same without that line. It was the perfect ending.

663. NCM - December 5, 2011

647. Spock/Uhura Fan – December 5, 2011

@ NCM – “I don’t think most men or women (XX chromosomes talking, here), go to sci-fi movies to see heroes, villains, and aliens balance their lives. ”

“I think we do, even if that’s not the primary reason that comes to mind. The good movies I have watched had the hero looking for a certain balance for themselves and for the world around them. It’s the evil or enemy that stands in the way and the complications ahead that force the hero(es) to have to deal with those things in an effort to either maintain or create balance (and no, I’m not just talking about Star Wars and bringing balance to”the force,” but that is an example and one of the most obvious).”

I was referring to the more narrow, domestic confines of balance around which I thought the discussion centered, but you make good points, and I concur with the broader view.

664. Aurore - December 6, 2011

“dmducan, you’re going to empty your stomach huh? Got you beat pal. Not going to stop with my stomach…so steer clear! Consider yourselves warned. :O”

“Okay bud, we work together on this one. Here’s the plan. I’ll cover the front, and you cover the rear.”

….Wonderful.

If after the North American premiere I hear people say ; “The whole thing stunk!!!” , I’ll know who to thank .

Yup, I’ve been warned, that much is certain…

:)

665. Spock/Uhura Fan - December 6, 2011

Thanks, NCM. I spike about both because one affects the other and vice versa. To only speak about the narrow confines in the case to me is like only speaking about the air in the room. That’s fine if we are to live our lives in that room, but that’s not how people really live. Even maximum security inmates get an hour out each day…

To only focus on, or even worse, to expect someone to live in that box (regardless of what the box is) is just very unrealistic am imbalanced to me. That’s exactly what I’ve been speaking against.

Now, of course I’m a huge Spock/Uhura fan, but does that mean that I want Spock and Uhura: The Movie? No. That would be out of balance too, and that is not what I have been asking for (even though, not to be rude, some people, not you, still have comprehension issues surrounding that fact).

I love the whole team, and I want to see the whole crew and for them to all get some focus. I’d like to see different friendships explored as well as the crew as a whole, and of course, my personal favorites – Ms. Uhura and her beloved Mr. Spock. :-)

666. Keachick - rose pinenut - December 6, 2011

I have also been saying what Spock/Uhura Fan has been saying. My personal favourite is James Kirk, but it applies to both. The reality is that after 79 episodes and several movies, we know little about these people, other than they are a captain and first officer/science officer respectively. Spock attempted the Vulcan Kolinahr and plays a lute. Kirk got a woman pregnant, (she took the baby from him), plays 3-dimension chess and he likes riding horses. The riding horses came later in the piece, probably William Shatner’s suggestion. I suppose that’s something.

However, Kirk was shown to be little more than just a starship captain with the heavy burden of duty and responsibility that does not let up, even though SF and his own officers give him opportunities to take himself off occasionally. The writers might as well as had Kirk with his own flagellation whips (whatever those things monks used on themselves in the middle ages), so that there could no confusion that Kirk was indeed a masochistic martyr. It seems that so many people here like that and want to see it repeated in the alternate universe. Yes, I guess they are kind enough to give Kirk some T&A occasionally, so that he, at least, can relieve himself of the build up of those manly tensions.

Sheesh.

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