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First Impressions of Star Trek: The Next Generation – The Next Level on Blu-ray January 20, 2012

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: DVD/Blu-ray,Review,TNG Remastered , trackback

The "Star Trek: The Next Generation – The Next Level" sampler disc comes out on January 31st and TrekMovie got an early review copy. Closer to release, our home video editor Matt Wright will be doing a more detailed review with more technical stuff, but I wanted to share my initial thoughts on this major project in the world of Star Trek. 

 

First Impressions of Star Trek: The Next Generation – The Next Level on Bluray

The Star Trek in HD project is being done just in time for the show’s 25th anniversary in 2012. I can still remember my excitement sitting down to watch the premiere in September 1987 – and yelling at everyone in the room to "Shut up! Star Trek time!" I felt a twinge of that enthusiasm as I put the four-episode "Star Trek: The Next Generation – The Next Level" disc into the Blu-ray player, but there was also a bit of trepidation.

Since the release of the original Star Trek series on Blu-ray, I have noticed that my other Trek DVDs felt a bit less satisfying. Watching the shows on an HD TV made them feel a bit dated, and this seemed especially true of TNG. It was even worse catching episodes playing in syndication and the transfer available streaming on Netflix was no better. After years of hearing how difficult it was going to be to bring the show into the HD future (and possibly impossible), I was concerned that this Blu-ray wasn’t going to cut it. However, shortly after "Encounter at Farpoint" started playing, all my concerns were put to rest. 


Blu-ray image: The USS Enterprise-D "Encounter at Farpoint" (Click to Enlarge)

If anything, the remastering of Next Gen into HD is even better looking than the original Star Trek. The colors are more vibrant, but not jarring. The details are astounding and make you want to keep on pausing to make sure you don’t miss anything. This goes for both the live action shots, as well as the remastered visual effects shots. Unlike the original series in HD, this time CBS have remastered the original filmed effects, and then used CGI much more sparingly (primarily replacing effects which were originally done on video). In the end the effects shots, especially of the Enterprise and other space scenes, are just astounding and really bring the show into the 21st century (or 24th century).

Of course some will say that the show was never meant to be seen at this level of definition, and there is an element of truth in that. Like with the original series in HD, sometimes you will see more detail than intended. So some of the makeup can seem a bit much (especially Spiner’s Data) and sometimes you can see rough edges or other less than 24th century perfection to set dressings or props. However, these are minor and in a way part of the fun of reviewing the show in HD, as is trying to spot little details in the famed Okudagrams.


Blu-ray image: Brent Spiner as Data from "Encounter at Farpoint" (Click to Enlarge)

Also worth highlighting is the sound, which has been remixed in 7.1 DTS-HD. I was surprised at how much this (combined with the updated looks) created a more cinematic experience. However, if you want to listen to the original stereo audio, you have that option as well. 

As for the four episodes in the set, you get the two-part pilot (“Encounter at Farpoint”), one of Ron Moore’s great Klingon episodes ("Sins of the Father"), and Patrick Stewart’s acting tour-de-force in "The Inner Light." It is hard to get any two fans to agree as to what four episodes are most worthy, but these are certainly a good selection and show off the HD transfer quite well.

By the way, the 13 seconds of "Sins of the Father" that had to be upscaled (because original clip couldn’t be found) was apparent, but not too bad. However, it did highlight what a monumental task CBS has taken on to go into the vaults to find each little film element and reassemble them for the HD transfer. My hat is off to them for taking on this complex (and expensive) project. Bringing TNG into the HD world will ensure that the show lives on and will be appreciated by more people in the future. I suspect that over the coming decade, it will become harder and harder to sell standard definition shows into syndication and they will also be less and less appealing to younger audiences who expect everything to be in HD.


Bluray Image: Klingon skyline from "Sins of the Father"

As for special features, that isn’t what this teaser disc is all about. The only new thing was a trailer for the Season 1 Star Trek TNG Blu-ray set, which does appear to have some new special features. You also get a couple of previously released promo spots (one for TNG Remastered, and one for the Star Trek PADD iPad app

All in all, watching Star Trek: The Next Generation on Blu-ray makes me feel like a kid again. I just can’t wait to review the entire series in HD. The first season of Star Trek: The Next Generation on Blu-ray can’t come soon enough (it is promised for later this year). Until then, it is worth picking up "Star Trek: The Next Generation – The Next Level" sampler disc, which you can pre-order from Amazon for $14.99.

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Comments

1. John from Cincinnati - January 20, 2012

What about a coupon for the first season for those who buy the sampler disc?

2. Justin Olson - January 20, 2012

Good stuff Anthony.

Did CBS happen to give you 1080p versions of these two images:

http://www.startrek.com/uploads/assets/articles/03c1b3b37760d498047fc26942765ff3847fd08b.jpg

http://www.startrek.com/uploads/assets/articles/4967e141777eed0352c29ebe2f68e95f186eb30c.jpg

3. SFC3 - January 20, 2012

I wasn’t expecting special features.

4. rm10019 - January 20, 2012

Looking so good, can’t wait for the disc to show up!

5. "Check the Circuit!" - January 20, 2012

It’s too bad we have to sit through the first 2 seasons before getting to the good stuff.

6. Anthony Pascale - January 20, 2012

CBS hasnt given those over yet but I’m sure they will soon enough, and possibly more. We are working on getting an exclusive clip too. All in good time. Release is still 11 days away

7. captain_neill - January 20, 2012

Sounds great. Next Gen is one of my all time fav shows and I can’t wait to see it in HD.

8. Anthony Pascale - January 20, 2012

as for S1 coupon, it would be nice, but I doubt it. If you can wait, then wait. That’s understandable. Of course only one of these episodes is on S1 so you will have to wait even longer to get the other two in HD.

9. rm10019 - January 20, 2012

Thanks Anthony, fun sharing your memories of that day in 1987! I took a trip with my brother to a friend’s place in NJ because it was airing one day earlier there!

Saw DeForest Kelley the next day at a convention and got to thank him for doing the pilot!

10. Aqua - January 20, 2012

This is wonderful.

On another note, it’s incredible that Enterprise isn’t out on Blu-Ray, especially since it was filmed on HD and is still broadcast that way.

11. Darrell - January 20, 2012

I ordered it even though I don’t have HD. I consider it a vote for getting Star Trek back on TV!

12. Phil - January 20, 2012

“Of course some will say that the show was never meant to be seen at this level of definition…..” Yeah. it’s best to leave the science a bit on the fuzzy side here…

On the other hand, the model of the big E-D (Ed?) looks really good…

13. Hat Rick - January 20, 2012

Star Trek: Everything Old is New Again!

:-)

14. Commdore Mike of the Terran Empire - January 20, 2012

Thanks Anthony. It will be fun reading your Take on all 7 seasons of TNG>
Back in 87 when Tng forst came on I had my VCR ready and i was on Pins and needels waitinf for the show to start. I kind of feel that way again with Tng H.D Will be a lot of fun.

15. Commdore Mike of the Terran Empire - January 20, 2012

While the 1st season of Tng was ok. It did have a couple of Great Eps. Arsenal of Freedom,Skin of Evil and The Neutral Zone and Conspiricy are ones I am really looking forward to on Blu-rey.

16. Commdore Mike of the Terran Empire - January 20, 2012

It will be interesting to see Lt. Remick’s Head Explode in H.D Lol.

17. Rekkert - January 20, 2012

Anthony, according to images available at blu-raydefinition.com some space shots were replaced by a digital Enterprise made by the great Tobias Ritcher (who has confirmed it here: http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/showthread.php?77687-NCC-1701-D-USS-Enterprise/page8 )

Apparently while they prefered to keep the original shots, some were just not available or didn’t looked good enough on HD (this last bit seems to be mostly true about the shots where the inferior 4ft model was used).

http://www.blu-raydefinition.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Star_Trek_TNG_Next_Level_09.jpg

http://www.blu-raydefinition.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Star_Trek_TNG_Next_Level_21.jpg

18. Sebastian S. - January 20, 2012

Looks beautiful.

Kind of makes me wish I were as passionate about the show as I used to be, but sadly I’m not. Even if I had a BR machine (my wife and I are this close to getting one), I’m not sure I’d plunk down that kind of money to watch a show I’m simply not that crazy about anymore…

Now, if they restore DS9? You got a deal! ;-)

19. Dr. Cheis - January 20, 2012

Ah, so only the video effects are being redone in CG. I was confused about that for a long time. It’s too bad they couldn’t do that sort of thing with TOS. The old painted phaser beams were hard to look at.

20. Pensive's Wetness - January 20, 2012

it beats wasting money on Star Wars 3D…..

21. sean - January 20, 2012

#17

All I see are a bunch of people saying they *think* it’s Richter’s work, I don’t see him confirming it anywhere.

22. Craiger - January 20, 2012

Still wish all the Trek series would be remastered in 1080p 16×9 with no black bars.

23. Rekkert - January 20, 2012

#21

He only hinted it (most likely he can’t confirm it yet because of some legal stuff), but he was the one that posted the pictures. Besides, on the next page a guy (who was apparently pretty bored) counted the lit and unlit windows on the ship and they matched those of Tobias model, that had a different pattern than the original model.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/409060_282446935148913_100001508260548_818142_1799882942_n.jpg

http://www.blu-raydefinition.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Star_Trek_TNG_Next_Level_21.jpg

http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92457&d=1315058449

24. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - January 20, 2012

20 well if you dont want to “WASTE” money on Star Wars 3D thats your loss, Phantom menace looks stunning in 3D.

25. JP - January 20, 2012

#15: I think you’re the only person in the universe who thinks “Skin of Evil” is a great episode :P

26. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - January 20, 2012

22 what part of respecting the artists intent do you not understand?
it seems like every Trek TNG Bluray article your going on about wishing they would have changed the aspect ratio of the show.
The show was shot and composed with 4X3 in mind, adjusting the aspect ratio from 1.33:1 to 1.78:1 would alter the mood and setting of scenes from the way the Director and Director of Photography intended.

Its just as bad as cropping a 1.78:1, 1.85:1, or 2.35:1 aspect ratio movie to 1.33:1 in the SD era.

Nope you just want something that fills your screen, without any regard to how it will alter how that scene looks and plays out.

They adjusted the the aspect ratio ever so slightly to 1.34:1,but if they would have done anymore than that, they would have risked ruining the artistic intent of the talented film makers who shot and framed specificly with 4X3 in mind.

27. DeShonn Steinblatt - January 20, 2012

I don’t like it when you can see every little flaw. Spoils the magic.

28. Anthony Pascale - January 20, 2012

Guys, this is just first impressions review. I will go more in depth on the CGI with my interview with the Okudas. But unlike TOS-R, that is really not the big deal of this release. This release is trying to match TNG exactly, even if they use some CGI. That is different than TOS-R, which had more leeway, especially with repetitive establishing shots which were common in TOS

29. Rekkert - January 20, 2012

#28
I know that Anthony, and I know (and applaud) that they really are trying to keep the style, it’s just that as I never read even a single line about the CGI on this site I might point it out.
Sorry, and definitively looking forward for the interview!

30. Red Dead Ryan - January 20, 2012

Good review, Anthony!

This makes waiting for the next Trek movie a bit easier. We’ve had TOS Remastered released on Blu Ray a couple of years ago, and now we’re getting TNG Remastered as part of the 25th anniversary of the show!

31. Justin Olson - January 20, 2012

Here’s Tobias Richter’s own animation of his CGI model (be sure to select 1080p):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZlUa_araWY

32. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - January 20, 2012

#25. I said great Ep for season 1. It was a good ep.

33. Rocket Scientist - January 20, 2012

31. Justin Olson: Thanks! I’m not the Enterprise D’s biggest fan, but that just brought a tear to my eye!

34. CarlG - January 20, 2012

@31: I hate that guy, he’s too frigging talented, it’s not fair! :)

35. BeatleJWOL - January 21, 2012

Blu-ray.com has their review up, with screenshots.
(720p resized screenshots if you’re not registered (it’s free), 1080p screenshots if you are [all .jpg, though, so not QUITE Blu quality)
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Star-Trek-The-Next-Generation-Blu-ray/30189/#Review

36. Matt Wright - January 21, 2012

It sure does look like Tobais’ work. I’m really glad they used his models, since he does an amazing job. I’m not surprised he was brought in. We know Doug Drexler was consulted with, and Doug has had Tobais contribute to the Ships of the Line calendars, so there is an existing relationship there.

37. captain_neill - January 21, 2012

The effects work they did with the remastering of TOS was brilliant and the new effects added a freshness and opened the doors to what can be achieved. We were able to see what was only implied.

Howver, going back to the orginal film and taking away the ‘video haze’ to the episodes which was apparent more so in the really early episodes, is r ealy exciting. I feel like I am going to see Next Gen the way it was when it was first shot.

ANd since Next Gen is more recent I am glad they are keeping the model shots and looking forward to seeing them in the detail they should have been in.

38. Jeff - January 21, 2012

Your review makes me wonder if the missing 13 seconds from Sins Of The Father was on purpose to highlight the difference of video to HD, thus validating the effort they are putting into this. I would not be surprised if these ‘missing’ seconds are integrated when that season is released. Looking forward to the sampler and the full seasons!

39. Jack - January 21, 2012

So, yeah, it’s remastered, but I agree that the new effects work needs to be clear in these articles. I’d got the impression from recent stories that the effects hadn’t been touched.

40. Bart - January 21, 2012

It looks like Tobias Richter has been quite busy lately :) It appears his CGI Enterprise-D is being used in TNG remastered. Perhaps they will also use his latest work for the episode ‘The Measure of a Man’

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zszr74Z6jg&list=UUeoXnh_AMvp1JvP1YRN3UgA&index=1&feature=plcp

This is the existing shot:
http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s2/2×09/themeasureofaman025.jpg

Now that would be awesome!

41. New Horizon - January 21, 2012

>39. Jack – January 21, 2012
They’ve said in pretty much every story that the existing effects were being recomposited from the original filmed elements and only replaced by CGI when absolutely necessary.

>40. Bart – January 21, 2012
Personally I don’t find replacing physical models with CGI awesome. If they still have access to all of the original film elements, I would much prefer to see the physical models rather than a CGI replica.

42. spock - January 21, 2012

They didn’t put any extras on the disc??? Too bad they didn’t have any promo stuff, like they released to the web for TOS when it was being worked on.

43. JeanLuc - January 21, 2012

Finally… the 4 foot model (the ugly-prise) is history.

That shot from Season 5 shows the classical approach of the 4 foot model… it’s redone in CGI with the GENERATIONS CGI model of the Enterprise which itself is based on the 6 foot model used in the first seasons!!!

That was my hope, that they would finally correct that!!! The series will have one coherent Enterprise from episode 1 to episode 178.

Thanks for that. That made my day!!!

44. Trek Or Treat - January 21, 2012

Shoot.

I had myself convinced that I didn’t need this upgrade… that my dvd’s were just fine. But now I want this bad.

(sigh)

45. Alex - January 21, 2012

Those shots do NOT look like the model was replaced by CG.. not at all.

46. New Horizon - January 21, 2012

43. JeanLuc – January 21, 2012

Sorry to disappoint you, but they’re not replacing all of the 4 foot enterprise shots. They did the one with the bird of prey and the one with the enterprise dropping out of warp. There are pictures of the 4 foot still being used in the episode.

47. Craiger - January 21, 2012

#26, Their was only one other article that I posted in so what’s your problem with me posting in both? It’s not like they had four articles on this subject and I posted in them.

Also if they had HD back then I am sure the Director would have shot in 16×9 HD in the 1:85:1 aspect ratio.

48. Kirk, James T. - January 21, 2012

Already pre ordered mine for £6.99(!!!!!) on amazon.co.uk – can’t believe I get four episodes for just £6.99!!!!!!!!! Looking forward to it however, I’m gonna get the DVD box set too just because thats the original.

TNG has always been “my” Star Trek and I’m looking forward to it becoming as iconic as TOS over the next decade.

49. Greg2600 - January 21, 2012

Glad the CGI is minimal. I think models look better anyway, even old ones.

50. Laughing Man - January 21, 2012

And it is for sure CGI, cuz someone else on another site counted the windows that were lit and not lit, and the two 1701-Ds do not match up. So the 1701-D and the BOP in Sins of the Father are with out a doubt new CG shots, but they dont take you out of it, because they are near exact recreations of the original shot.

51. Mark Lynch - January 21, 2012

@48
Ordered mine too, on the 14th of December… Really looking forward to viewing it so that I can decide whether I want to get the full seasons on BR.

Hell, who am I kidding? Of course I will want them!

But I will most likely be prepared to wait a while (ie price drops) to get them.
Unless they will be superbly priced from the outset that is.

52. the Dogfaced Boy - January 21, 2012

26. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow – January 20, 2012
22 what part of respecting the artists intent do you not understand?

You can get the artist’s intent on VHS.

53. New Horizon - January 21, 2012

>52. the Dogfaced Boy – January 21, 2012
You can get the artist’s intent on VHS.

That’s lame. The point of restoring a show should be to restore it, not revise it just because we can. CGI replacement is the new Turner colorized classics. It’s disrespectful to rip out the work of all the artists who worked on the show. If the live action is going to be restored and lauded…so too should the model work that the artists busted their butts to pull off during the original run of the show.

54. Jonboc - January 21, 2012

Looked forward to that premier in 87 myself. What followed has to be the most disappointing and excruciating 7 years ever. This disc serves as a fine example of TNG’s problem, in a nutshell. Such potential during the show’s run, with nuggets like The Inner Light and Yesterday’s Enterprise…but sadly, the lion’s share of episodes were pedestrian formula television…so far off the benchmark set by TOS, so radically different in tone and structure, for myself, they’re not worthy of repeat viewing… HD or otherwise. When the “best of” volumes begin to roll out, and the cream of the crop is brought together, I’ll be first in line…but the hit-to-miss ratio is so staggeringly lopsided for this series, I’ll have to pass on the season sets.

55. Ensign RedShirt - January 21, 2012

26- danielcraig

Don’t waste your time trying to educate him-he’s not interested in aspect ratio or artistic intent.

If people need to see it in a distorted 16×9 image press the zoom button on your tv and have fun. The rest of us will enjoy it the way it was meant to be enjoyed.

56. New Horizon - January 21, 2012

54. Jonboc – January 21, 2012
Completely different experience for me.

I grew up on TOS, but TNG was also a huge staple for me. I appreciated it for what it was and enjoyed the different tone. Not every episode was an absolute winner, to be sure, however I almost always took something away from each episode…generally, there were ideas that gave my spine a little tingle and made my teenage mind think “what if”.

@Anthony

How does that CGI enterprise at the beginning of The Inner Light look in motion.

57. VZX - January 21, 2012

22. Craiger: How is that even possible? IF you change the ratio, then you either loose the top and bottom of the image, thus cutting the tops of their heads off, or you stretch the image and they all look, well, stretched out. I am no expert on these things, but I do not find why that is so hard to understand.

Anyway, this looks great. If I had the money, I would so get the season sets. I hope the fam gets it for me for Christmas!

58. Trekboi - January 21, 2012

Can someone confirm if they replaced any shots of the enterprises with a cgi ship & if they were the 4 foot model shots replaced?

59. the Dogfaced Boy - January 21, 2012

53. New Horizon
“>52. the Dogfaced Boy – January 21, 2012
You can get the artist’s intent on VHS.

That’s lame. The point of restoring a show should be to restore it, not revise it just because we can. CGI replacement is the new Turner colorized classics. It’s disrespectful to rip out the work of all the artists who worked on the show. If the live action is going to be restored and lauded…so too should the model work that the artists busted their butts to pull off during the original run of the show.”

The artist’s intent was for it to be shown on ’80 TV. Hence, Data’s makeup. It is a flawed work when viewed in HD. What’s wrong with toching Data up a little to make him look more real, the original artist’s intent.

TOS kind of has a charm about it because it was from the sixties. The small screen doesn’t work for TNG. I personally can’t watch it.

Why I would like to see is a director pan the screen for me. They can probably do it better. A lot of modern day shots are done with hand-held cameras or mounted cameras that can mimic that.

But you may be right. Watching it on a big-screen TV may be disrespectful to the artist’s intent.

60. Craiger - January 21, 2012

I think its neat remastering old TV Shows and Movies to modern standards. I know this one has pillar bars but look at this Three Stooges An Ache In Every Stake in Color instead of B&W. Their will allways be both points of view the purists who don’t want old TV Shows and Movies messed with and ones that do. I read that Friends was shot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVPLqvbSkyk

61. Craiger - January 21, 2012

To continue my Friends comment it was seeing a Friends on BluRay might be coming at Amazon and he seemed to think they could do Friends in 16×9 and it wouldn’t need to be Cropped.

62. Craiger - January 21, 2012

http://www.amazon.com/Friends-Blu-ray-Jennifer-Aniston/dp/B0013AE66A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1327163676&sr=8-1

63. the Dogfaced Boy - January 21, 2012

61. Craiger – January 21, 2012
“To continue my Friends comment it was seeing a Friends on BluRay might be coming at Amazon and he seemed to think they could do Friends in 16×9 and it wouldn’t need to be Cropped.”

Since it will be shown in HD, I hope they cheat a little on the original artist’s intent, and do a few more close-ups of Jennifer.

64. Allen Williams - January 21, 2012

The don’t need to crop or distort the image for 16×9. There is a lot of footage in each frame that has never ever been seen. In fact they could do a hybrid 16×9 and 4×3 in one set just by projecting black bars over the sides optionally. blu-ray is smart enough to do that. the 4×3 version would be nearly identical to the original dvd release in terms of what all is shown. the only difference would be the resolution. personally i would turn the black bars off. having sides where not much is going on is better than black bars.

I’m against cropping, but since it isn’t needed to get a 16×9 version give us the choice.

65. Allen Williams - January 21, 2012

and for the record 4×3 in a world full of 4×3 TVs is NOT and NEVER will be artistic intent. shooting 16×9 in a 4×3 world is(babalon 5). hell if today a show was shot in 9×16 (sideways) even that would be artistic. dumb, but artistic. if TNG was filmed today it would be 100% CGI effects like enterprise (the nx-01 itself was very well done, however in their last episode they had the ent-d and that sucked) it would also be shot for 16×9. Who knows today’s 16×9 shows might even be shot with 2.5×1 in mind for the next generation of tvs.

66. the Dogfaced Boy - January 21, 2012

64. Allen Williams – January 21, 2012

You might run in to a boom here and there. Too bad they don’t have the technology to CG it out.

67. Greenberg - January 21, 2012

Can’t wait to see slutty Troi in HD.

68. Rela - January 21, 2012

I said that before, but I will say it here too.

It would be much better if they are remastered TNG in the same way as TOS.
Re-mastering of TOS was perfectly done.
Now every planet looks different, each mate painting looks different. We got new ships. We see the Enterprise from many different angles.

And the TNG will all look the same. Bad effects will look just as bad only now in high definition.
We will watch the same scene of Enterprise in space for hundred times reused. Same planets reused for a hundred times.
Same Class Starship that act many different aliens ships. Matte paintings reused for hundred times.
Two inconsistent Enterprise model will appear again throughout the whole series.
I’m not happy. They should have offered more than just high definition.

69. Craiger - January 21, 2012

CGI 1701-D, DS9, Voyager and Runabouts all the way!!!

70. New Horizon - January 21, 2012

68. Rela – January 21, 2012

Any of the old blurry CGI planets, like the one seen in Sins of the father…will be updated. You have seen the sins of the father clip haven’t you? It’s completely new.

http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/compare/sins2_hd.jpg

As for your opinion on the matter, I can see where you’re coming from and I respect it but I have to be completely honest when I say that I’m extremely happy that they’re not replacing everything with CGI. If I were the original artists who put all of that blood sweat and tears into trying to get those new shots filmed and composited on time for a weekly show, I would certainly hope that my work would get a chance to be seen in HD along with the costumes, sets, lighting and performances.

Sorry, but when the original filmed elements still exist and can be recomposited with modern tech, it would be wrong to replace it all with CGI. It would be a huge slap in the face to the folks who helped make this show what it was. Their work deserves to be seen in HD too.

71. Tom - January 21, 2012

Was going to wait for the release of the full season 1 but these images got me so excited I went on amazon a pre ordered the sampler disk too! Can’t wait for this – I for one will be buying all seasons and should they ever release DS9 or VOY I’ll be buying them too!

72. the Dogfaced Boy - January 21, 2012

I haven’t watched TNG for some time now. I have all the episodes that I dubbed on to VHS tapes for archive purposes. I plan to dig them out and watch them some day.

I’ve seen bits and pieces of them here and there but have not stuck through it for the whole episode. They just seem so dated with the 4X3 framming.

I don’t remember that the special effects were that bad. This is post Star Wars era effects. They should be pretty good and most of them are preserved on film. That said, why not do it right. I love what they did with TOS.

Not to harp on the subject of aspect ratio but the CGI done for TOS were did for 16X9. You know eventually, they will use the wide screen shots.

73. New Horizon - January 21, 2012

73. the Dogfaced Boy – January 21, 2012
That said, why not do it right. I love what they did with TOS.

Replacing other artist’s work is “doing it right”?

As has been explained many times before. TOS did not have access to original filmed elements for the space shots in their original non-composited form. They only had them in their degraded, finished form. The same reels of film were used over and over again in TOS so by the time they got through to the 2nd season, the stock footage was getting pretty washed out and scratched up. Even if the old non-composited TOS footage was found, chances are it would have been beyond repair. CBS had no choice with TOS. With TNG, all of the original non-composited elements have been painfully preserved and kept in storage for 25 years. The technology for re-compositing those same effects are far ahead of what they had to work with back in 1987. The effects are not only going to look clearer, they’re just going to look that much better due to the higher quality compositing techniques.

With all of that original footage having been stored, I can’t see how this could be any less than the right way of doing it. It’s preserving the show and the work of the artists behind it.

74. Craiger - January 21, 2012

I wonder what Trek fans who thought Enterprise looked to advanced compared to TOS and now TNG is starting to look dated with its tech? Even the computers today are more advanced then the LCARS system. I think upconverting TNG to Anamorphic 1080p Widescreen would not make TNG and post TNG shows not look as dated even replacing the models and computer effects with modern CGI.

75. Steve - January 21, 2012

I’d buy every episode of DS9 and Voyager in blu-ray (yes, knowing that I’d be getting some pretty crappy early seasons of both shows…) But TNG? No way. Remastered or not, it just doesn’t hold up. Too many episodes of Trekno-babble problems with Trekno-babble solutions, too many misunderstood aliens who really don’t want to hurt us, too many episodes focused on little kids, etc…

Was watching “The Other Side of Paradise” on the TOS blu-ray recently, and was stunned to clearly see the prosthetics of Spock’s ears. It just jumped off the screen. High Def is awesome!

76. Craiger - January 21, 2012

#75 I still sometimes wonder how, even thought I liked TNG, attracted a general audience with the technonable and survived ratings wise? Voyager was worse.

77. the Dogfaced Boy - January 21, 2012

76. Craiger – January 21, 2012
You have to remember at the time, TOS was hughly popular from the reruns. Everyone had watched it at some point. TNG was not shown in prime time, most people did not have cable yet and there was only the three networks.

Where I lived, it was shown Saturday night at 7:00. We’d watch it before going out. People would sometimes say “It’s not that good, but I still watch it”. I think they had enough good shows to keep people watching, under the circumstances.

78. the Dogfaced Boy - January 21, 2012

73. New Horizon – January 21, 2012
“Replacing other artist’s work is “doing it right”?”

I don’t think that should be the deciding factor. The deciding factor should be, do the shots hold up?

We’re talking about a TV show. They are disposable. Some of them are good enough to stand the test of time, most of them are not. If you can up-date them and keep them entertaining, great! If you can’t, they disappear.

79. Craiger - January 21, 2012

That’s a good point, not having 1,000 channels to compete with.

80. Ensign RedShirt - January 21, 2012

Wow. The willfull tech ignorance and lack of care for other people’s work is really sad.

TNG is a product of its time, as are all works of art. If you want revisionist filmmaking, I refer you to George Lucas. Because, you know, all those fx revisions he’s done for the last 15 years have gone over really well…

81. Craiger - January 21, 2012

Didn’t Lucas say if he had the tech back then that is how he would have done the original SW movies anyway? You could look at redoing TNG that way.

82. Matt Wright - January 21, 2012

#74 Craiger — please stop using the term “Anamorphic widescreen” you clearly do not understand the term.

If you mean conversion to 16:9 (the shape of all HDTV’s), then say that.

When refering to home video “Anamorphic Widescreen” is essentially a dated terminology from the DVD era when the standard did not allow the use of the full horizontal DVD resolution for a widescreen image without special authoring. For more see: http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/anamorphic/page2.html

Anamorphic can also refer to the lenses used by the director when they shoot a film at 2.35:1 ratio.
For more see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anamorphic_format

Either way, the term is incorrect for this situation, because TNG was never shot with anamorphic lenses and there is no such thing as “anamorphic widescreen” video for a native HD format like Blu-ray or broadcast HDTV.

83. Phil - January 21, 2012

Caught Robocop on Netflix last night. Entertaining, but man, THAT looks dated….

84. New Horizon - January 21, 2012

78. the Dogfaced Boy – January 21, 2012

> I don’t think that should be the deciding factor. The deciding factor should be, do the shots hold up?

Whether the shots hold up shouldn’t be ‘the only’ deciding factor, but it is one of many to consider.

CGI should be a last resort.

>We’re talking about a TV show. They are disposable. Some of them are good enough to stand the test of time, most of them are not. If you can up-date them and keep them entertaining, great! If you can’t, they disappear.

I don’t believe anyone’s work is disposable. Sorry.

The show is what it is.

85. Romulus - January 21, 2012

The screenies look impressive but the lack of a coupon towards series1 smacks of the screwing fandom for more cash.

86. Disinvited - January 21, 2012

This’ll date me but I grew up with FRACTURED FLICKERS and WHAT’S UP TIGER LILY?; so I don’t object much to people making new works of art out of copies of the old. My problem is when attempts are made to palm it off as somehow better than the original or equatable to it. It’s not – it’s something different.

An HD picture of the MONA LISA might be the finest photograph that ever existed but it just isn’t the same thing. I’m not saying that photograph has no value – just that it isn’t the same as restoration nor should it be thought of as such lest the powers that be use that as an excuse to destroy the originals to save on the cost of storing and preserving.

87. the Dogfaced Boy - January 21, 2012

80. Ensign RedShirt – January 21, 2012
“Wow. The willfull tech ignorance and lack of care for other people’s work is really sad.

TNG is a product of its time, as are all works of art. If you want revisionist filmmaking, I refer you to George Lucas. Because, you know, all those fx revisions he’s done for the last 15 years have gone over really well…”

So…. Lucas was uncaring of his own work of art. Bringing him up, kind of defeats your point. But it does raise another point.

Are you saying an artist cannot touch up their own work? I think DeVinci could could have later decided to paint a mustache on the Mono Lisa if he wanted to. (As long as he did it before it was sold, that is.) Actually we’re really only talking about repainting the Mona Lisa.

The originals still exist.

It would be great to have the original TNG in HD and the version I would like to see, too. And we probably will. You’ll get what you want now. I’ll get what I want later.

But back to your point, yes, bad art is bad art, regardless of where the original idea or source material came from.

88. the Dogfaced Boy - January 21, 2012

86. Disinvited – January 21, 2012

Aah, you posted your Mona Lisa comment while I was writing mine.

Yoko Ono once said, and I paraphrasing, “I’m not saying the Mona Lisa is not good art but maybe it should be made into a teeshirt”.

89. BeatleJWOL - January 21, 2012

Relax, guys; when the Blu-ray comes out you can just zoom in on the image so it fills your tv. It’ll come out pretty much exactly the same as if they cropped it for widescreen.

@78
“If you can up-date them and keep them entertaining, great! If you can’t, they disappear.”

That’s exactly what’s happening, it appears; most of the original model footage is being reinstated, but a few choice scenes that don’t look quite right and never looked quite right are being updated slightly via CGI while still maintaining all the best parts (composition and design) of the original shot.

90. AJ - January 21, 2012

I have to agree with the opinion that season one is going to be a hard purchase to make. I’ll buy it, watch “Heart of Glory” and the one with the neck-bugs, and have a look at the Romulan ship at the end, and then shelve it.

Season One is a tough slog after “Farpoint.” No matter how HD improves the viewing experience, TNG really didn’t get its legs until the following year.

Let’s hope the supplementary material is top-notch.

91. Bobbygaga - January 21, 2012

I can’t wait to see such TV classics like When The Bough Breaks, Angel One and Justice in HD.

92. RAMA - January 21, 2012

91. Actually there are some mattes and FX I’d like to see from those!

93. Gregster - January 21, 2012

Good heavens! That this project was even considered is beyond amazing! Thousands of individual film elements will be scanned and assembled. Special effects shots will be painstakingly recomposited or recreated in high definition. All of the soft, washed-out images, and the annoying chroma noise and other video artifacts will be banished forever from these classic Trek episodes. By all accounts and reviews the work is well worth it. And STILL, people grouse about this scene or that ship. The screenshots look like publicity stills and STILL they complain!! This is a great time to be a Star Trek fan!

94. Patrick R - January 21, 2012

Agreed, Gregster.

95. New Horizon - January 21, 2012

For anyone who doesn’t quite understand the difference recompositing the original effects with modern tech can make, check out this scene. This is all from original footage, rescanned and recomposited.

Just mouse over for the comparison.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/104123

CGI has a place if the original footage is lost, damaged, or simply horrific looking even after being recomposited, but somehow I doubt much of the recomposited material will look bad at all. Between being rescanned at HD resolution and completely recomposited with modern computer software, this stuff is going to rock.

96. Bobbygaga - January 21, 2012

@ 92. You saw through my sarcasm. In a all seriousness I can’t wait to watch Datalore just to see if they have updated the CGI on the Chrystalline Entity. Not to mention the exploding body parts in Conspiracy.

97. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - January 21, 2012

wow it saddens me how many people are of the mind set of craiger and dogfacedboy when it comes to perserving OAR.

and just dont seem to get it, but then again they have never made anything along the lines of a movie or television show, so they only care that they fill up their tv sets I guess.

You guys would probably be ok with Day the Earth stood still,or The Thing From another world being cropped to 1.78:1 as well, just so it would fill up the screen instead of being being Pillar Boxed and perserving its original aspect ratio.

you want it to fill your screen hit your freaking zoom button, luckily for those of us who want OAR thats what we get!

98. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 21, 2012

Doing all this with the TNG Star Trek series may well be part of an ongoing desire on the part of many in Hollywood to preserve and, if possible, update existing film. Clearly Star Trek would qualify given its longevity and fanbase.

Many actors/producers/directors, like Clint Eastwood, have actually set up a fund or charity in order that a lot of film rotting in archives be properly preserved and given an “ear and facelift”. They see this as being essential to the preservation of our culture.

99. the Dogfaced Boy - January 21, 2012

97. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow – January 21, 2012
“wow it saddens me how many people are of the mind set of craiger and dogfacedboy when it comes to perserving OAR.”

I’m talking about making the product viable to today’s market.

“you want it to fill your screen hit your freaking zoom button, luckily for those of us who want OAR thats what we get!”

And I’m not talking about zooming or cropping. I’m talking about using modern technology to reframe each shot. I’m watching the Battlestar Galactica marathon from a few weeks back. The camera does not stay still for a minute. It’s up, down, left, right ,pan in , pan out, …

When a person walks across a sound stage, part of the soundstage goes out of the shot. Modern technology can keep that part there. It doesn’t change. The data that creates it can be used to keep it in the shot. The same for any scene. A lot can be done to recreate a camera shot and make it wide screen.

I’m not much of a fan of 3D but let’s take it to the next step.

Are you sayingif they had the technology, you would not want a holographic presentation where you could walk on to the set? “Yeah, you really can’t do it. It shot in 4/3. It’s just not right.”

100. Red Dead Ryan - January 21, 2012

Geez, guys, let’s just watch the TNG Remanstered Sampler Blu Ray when it comes out before we start bitching and nitpicking!

Sheesh! I’ve read several reviews on this, and going by what I’ve read, I think we’re going to be in for a real treat!

101. sean - January 21, 2012

#99

The product is quite clearly already viable in today’s market, that’s the point of this entire endeavor. And honestly, TNG reruns (the old crappy video-sourced versions) are still quite popular, even without the HD effort. Going back and Lucasafying them seems like overkill.

102. the Dogfaced Boy - January 21, 2012

101. sean – January 21, 2012
True enough. I got lost by trying to prove my point. I’m tempted to pick up the disc. I just have a problem with the 4/3 and I don’t think hitting the zoom button will help. I don’t want a randomly cropped up version either.

I guess there’s still no word on a broadcast? I remember the the old days here with TOS, seeing the new ones every week. There was grumbling at the start about the changes.That gradually changed to people wanting more done.”Why didn’t they fix that?”(The Kirk tombstone was correct as it was, though. Gary Mitchell was no a god. He was not perfect.”

103. J.A.G.T. - January 21, 2012

Wow, the show “aged well” concerning the special effects. not bad!

104. LoyalStarTrekFan - January 21, 2012

TNG is my favorite Star Trek show of all time and I’m looking forward to seeing TNG in HD. I am delighted that CBS decided to keep the original style special effects instead of recreating each special effect shot as, imho, this simply didn’t work well with TOSR as some shots looked like cartoons and fake. I have seen the screenshots available on TrekCore and those screencaps have convinced me to purchase a Blu-Ray player and enjoy TNG in true HD. The only thing I’m debating is whether to wait for the first season or to purchase the sampler disc first. In any case I highly recommend picking up this set.

“Welcome to the 24th century!” -Capt. Jean-Luc Picard

105. Tony Todd's Tears - January 21, 2012

In answer to the question “Did the old version really look that bad?”, I’ve gone back and looked at my DVDs and on Netflix, and yes, the comparison is completely accurate. The old version does look that bad. We just never noticed it.

It’s not a knock on the creators of the series. Just the technology of the time. Today’s HD technology looks the 1 Inch video tape of the 1980s look like stone knifes and bear skins.

106. Red Dead Ryan - January 21, 2012

I hope they are going to remaster every shot in HD, unlike in TOS, where there were a few shots every now and then that clearly weren’t redone. Those ones looked no different from the standard dvd shots.

And yes, I do know there is thirteen seconds of “Sins Of The Father” that aren’t going to be remastered because of lost film.

I just hope its more consistent than the TOS Remastered, which overall, was excellent, but as I said, some scenes look like they were forgotten.

Also, Anthony put up a “TNG Remastered” tag at the top of the webpage. All the details are there, including aspect ratio.

107. BeatleJWOL - January 21, 2012

@99.
“I’m talking about using modern technology to reframe each shot. I’m watching the Battlestar Galactica marathon from a few weeks back. The camera does not stay still for a minute. It’s up, down, left, right ,pan in , pan out, …

When a person walks across a sound stage, part of the soundstage goes out of the shot. Modern technology can keep that part there. It doesn’t change. The data that creates it can be used to keep it in the shot. The same for any scene. A lot can be done to recreate a camera shot and make it wide screen. ”

We don’t even know when they’re going to be finishing the work they’re doing, and you’re suggesting that they use still frames and pan-and-scan (remember that?) and other sorts of digital trickery (not that I’m completely opposed to digital trickery, but on NEW things rather than screwing around with things that were perfectly fine to begin with)? We wouldn’t see TNG on Blu-ray for another 10 years, if that.

You find me or direct me to a restoration/remastering of an older television show that digitally recreates the soundstage in order to keep the show in 16:9 widescreen and I will quit posting on TrekMovie for a week, maybe longer. I don’t doubt that the technology to do such things will exist at some point but I’ve never known anything that makes use of it.

108. Trekboi - January 21, 2012

Artistic Intent?
The special effects modelers gave up that right when the knowingly crated a visually different & inferior model to use & show along with the original model footage- how they thought that could have two different ships & not destroy any believability & suspension of disbelief with a clunky, chunky star wars cluttered paneled look model you can see the seams on!
It’s Hidious!

I can understand a 4 foot model was more flexible to shoot around for complicated shots so they would want to keep the action shots with movement but not the “beauty” shots!

I can ‘t believe they would spend the time to re-composit the Hidious 4 foot model behind things like the inner light probe when they could have used the shots of the 6 foot model or a new CGI model?

Unbelievable waist of an opportunity to give the space effects some much needed consistency & credibility!

109. Red Dead Ryan - January 21, 2012

Ah, the bitching continues……..

Sometimes I wonder if Trekkies will ever be happy!

110. the Dogfaced Boy - January 22, 2012

AND ANOTHER THING…
107. BeatleJWOL – January 21, 2012
“You find me or direct me to a restoration/remastering of an older television show that digitally recreates the soundstage in order to keep the show in 16:9 widescreen and I will quit posting on TrekMovie for a week, maybe longer. I don’t doubt that the technology to do such things will exist at some point but I’ve never known anything that makes use of it.”

Get those guys who did that basketball video. Remember the one where the basketball bounced full steam down the court and got shot into the basket without any players on the court. I think they could do it.

111. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - January 22, 2012

99 you just dont get it, do you and thats sad, and whats funny is your probably one of the people crying the loudly at Lucas and all the changes he made in the star wars saga.

Ill say it over and over again thank god they have preserved the OAR of the show. too bad if you dont like Pillar Boxing.

I cant wait to watch this next week projected on my Optoma 1080p HD33 projector on my giant screen in Theatre room.

112. JeanLuc - January 22, 2012

They should really get rid of that 4 foot model. Simply replace it with a CGI version of the Enterprise-D!!!

They did that in at least one flyby, why not in the rest of the shots?

-”Unbelievable waist of an opportunity to give the space effects some much needed consistency & credibility!”-

Agreed. That’s a continuity issue I always hated.

113. New Horizon - January 22, 2012

112. JeanLuc – January 22, 2012
>They should really get rid of that 4 foot model. Simply replace it with a CGI version of the Enterprise-D!!!

Simply? Simple would not even enter the equation. That’s years of extra work.

>They did that in at least one flyby, why not in the rest of the shots?

The model for that shot is a hybrid of the 6 foot and the 4 foot. The engineering hull is based more on the 6 foot and the saucer is based on the 4 foot. So while it might look better than the 4 foot, it’s still not consistent with the rest of the shots.

The show is what it is….like the 4ft or not. I prefer the 6 ft myself, but there is years worth of footage for the 4ft model. Whether it’s inferior or not, that’s what they used and the original filmed elements still exist. It would be pretty lame of CBS digital to toss the work of the folks who made next gen in the garbage just to put their own stamp on it. Next Gen is not their show, they have simply been entrusted with restoring it. It’s their job to preserve it, not re-envision it.

If the filmed elements had all been lost…then sure, they would have more leeway…but the filmed elements exist. So they should have the decency to respect that.

Sucks for them that they were hired to do a job that requires them to slavishly restore someone elses work, but that’s what they’re being paid for.

114. Trekboi - January 22, 2012

It’s not about the original effects teams & protecting their ego- it’s about what’s best for the show & keeping it alive & replacing the inferior 4 foot model for a CGI ship that matches & doesn’t draw attention to the fact it’s a different model.
The original effects team should be happy to let their work go to let someone with better technology re do it for the good of the show & new audiences who expect more today.
The old dvd’s will always be there & the purists can watch them on the it old 4:3 television sets & stay in the 1980′s- let the rest of us have something new

I really hope they plan to replace all the 4 foot shots the season box sets in time & just left some of the 4 foot shots in the sample disk due to time.

115. Voniatko - January 22, 2012

Can’t wait for this and evem more later seasons to come –
Yesterday’s Enterprise in full HD remastered….yumx

I only recently bought all DVD sets from Amazon….year after they announce this….nevermind, need to get it all again and help US economy a little I suppose

116. RYEMAN - January 22, 2012

Check out the Trek Core website!

Loads of images of TNG in HD, including the new CGI enterprise where the original film elements are lost. Whoever did the re-working is a legend as it looks like the original model work.

Superb

http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/index.html#s1bon

117. Trekboi - January 22, 2012

As for the full or widescreen debate look at YouTube; “Star Trek TNG – SD-HD Comparison” it shows the possibilities

118. Greenberg - January 22, 2012

TOS-R was awful. Instead of dated 60′s ship models (which matched the dated 60′s sets, by the way) we got crap CG that could’ve easily come from a fanfilm, which is dated *only* a few years later.

119. sean - January 22, 2012

Extreme Trek geeks know the differences between the 4ft and the 6ft. 99% of the people that watched TNG and will watch it again in HD will have no idea the model is different.

Repeat to yourself, ‘It’s just a show, I should really just relax.’

120. the Dogfaced Boy - January 22, 2012

111. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow – January 22, 2012
“99 you just dont get it, do you and thats sad, and whats funny is your probably one of the people crying the loudly at Lucas and all the changes he made in the star wars saga.”

I bought the 6 set blu-ray of Star Wars about a year ago, on a lark. I still haven’t watched it yet. I’m not a big Star Wars fan. What’s supposed to be the issue with it, new CGI? I probably will not notice the difference. I only watched the originals once or twice. It was state of the art special effects at the time and pretty much revolutionized the medium. I wouldn’t think they would have been too bad.

I would notice if the discs were formatted for the small screen. I certainly would not have bought them had I known.

121. the Dogfaced Boy - January 22, 2012

Okay, before someone thinks I’m full of crap from my 120. post, I ordered the Star Wars set in February ’11 and received them in September.

122. Craiger - January 22, 2012

Here’s some person’s attempt at a CGI widescreen 1701-D leaving spacedock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l0V0kNZJwc

123. tubular_trekkie - January 22, 2012

There appears to be a lot of confusion regarding whether some shots are CGI or the original model work. If the shots look like a massive improvement or are lit differently “it must be CGI”. Not necessarily I’d say.

One shot that’s been repeatedly mentioned is the one of the Enterprise and the BoP from ‘Sins of the Father’. If you look at this shot on blu-ray.com’s review, the Ent-D has some very minor white speckling on it. According to their review of the blu ray the live-action footage also has this white speckling that appears very intermittently on the print, more noticeably on Farpoint (this is quite noticeable on some of their screen grabs). I don’t honestly know why a new CGI shot would have that on it. The BoP may still be CGI of course seeing as it does look so different to the original SD shot of the same scene.
Just thought I’d mention that as food for thought.

My take on any changes is very much based on being in the ‘purist’ camp. I’m with New Horizon – I think CGI should be a last resort and I’m uncertain about the merits of making any changes to the content; even to fix obvious ‘gaffes’. The primary objective should be to preserve the show as much as possible.
However, I think there has to be a little bit of compromise here. I can already see minor changes that are simply unavoidable given that they have to recomposite the film elements, and they have also apparently fixed a certain ‘error’ in the VFX in Farpoint… Not ideal I think, but provided they acknowledge and explain these amendments, perhaps with an awareness that the finished result isn’t exactly ‘how it was’ that would be a good approach. Retconning the history of the program, or trying to claim that alterations represent ‘ how it should have been from day one’ would be disappointing IMO.
Anyway, despite reservations this will be worth buying simply to see the live-action footage in 1080p. ’87 Jean-Luc Picard in HD will be brilliant!

124. DS9 Forever - January 22, 2012

Hopefully the process will become easier as they restore more episodes, perhaps making it more likely we’ll get DS9.

125. Count - January 22, 2012

Hey folks, guess what? Turns out they are CG replacing the enterprise in a fair few shots. Like that D/BOP shot from sins of the father. Guess what else? They’re using TOBIAS RICTER’S (The guy who made the fan version of the JJPrise before ’09 even came out). Enterprise-D mesh. He built it last year on scifi-meshes.com and clocked in at just under 1 million polys.

It looks better then the studio model even. Dunno whose doing hte other CG models for the blu-ray tho.

126. Aussie Ian - January 22, 2012

That Youtube link to the Three Stooges in colour was great! As a fan of the stooges since early childhood, I had trepidation about clicking the link ……….. would colour enhance or detract from the charm of the original?

I was pleasantly engaged and found that if you like something enough, you overlook the changes that follow. Kind of like a marriage …………. you marry a woman who has starved herself a bit on the wedding day to look good for you and photos and after a few years, there are small moons in orbit of her backside.

Do you divorce her because she has no longer retained her 4:3 ratio hind quarters, having expanded to buying underwear in widescreen sizes?

If you do and express your reasoning, then others think you fickle ……….. if you don’t then you spend the rest of your days looking at something that no longer holds your interest like it used to.

A lot like Star Trek purists isn’t it? 3 Stooges fans too …………… they’ve all been dead for decades and people will still get heated over whether Curly or Shemp was the better third stooge. It never ends and it won’t end for Trek fans any time soon. Ratio, CGI, Remastering – all subjective topics with no difinitive answer.

So getting off the fence, what is my own personal opinion? Lose the big bummed wife and keep the Star trek collection of course!

127. Aussie Ian - January 22, 2012

* Definitive

128. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - January 22, 2012

126
OAR is always the way to go has nothing to do with being a star trek enthusiast. why do you think certain directors take their names off of movies that have been cropped for Television? cause the altered aspect ratio is not their intended way for you to watch the movie be it on the big screen or at home.

directors fought for years to get the studios to open their eyes and make OAR available for people to watch at home.

129. DS9 IN PRIME TIME - January 22, 2012

Anthony do you know how much each season will cost once they do come out?

130. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - January 22, 2012

129 they havent announced it yet, though a poster on bluray.com has allready posted a link to the official artwork for season 1 that was just revealed a few days ago.
the current speculation among bluray enthusiasts and insiders is that it will be in the price range of the TOS blurays

131. BeatleJWOL - January 22, 2012

@126
Hey. I want my fat girl AND my Star Trek. Jerk. :p

132. Phobos - January 22, 2012

Thank you CBS and Paramount.
I have been dying to get TNG in Blu-ray.

All of the series should be on Blu-ray,

133. Mark Lynch - January 23, 2012

From what I have read on Sci-Fi Meshes site, I would not be surprised if Tobias Richter has a hand in helping Paramount with whatever CGI work is needed on this HD upgrade for TNG.

Good luck to him, he is a long time trekker and a great CG artist.

134. Ryeman - January 23, 2012

TrekMovie, TrekMovie…..sigh.

You used to be the ‘go to’ site for the latest news, info etc…

You are way behind on the latest data!

http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/index.html#sfin_ex

135. CaptRobau - January 23, 2012

It’s an exclusive so they can’t use it is my guess.

136. Dr. Image - January 23, 2012

Season 3. That’s the one I’ll buy. The best, IMO.
Tobias Richter should have been around to re-create the classic E for TOS.
His E-D looks incredible!

137. Simon - January 23, 2012

Funny how STAR TREK, a franchise that embraces the future, has so many luddite fans insisting physical models are “always” better than CG ones.

Sad, especially when they’ve probably seen countless CG models and objects in films and TV they had no idea they were CG and not “real”.

138. New Horizon - January 23, 2012

137. Simon – January 23, 2012

It’s not a matter of physical models being ‘better’ than CG, it’s a matter of the physical models being a part of what made the show what it was. It’s also a matter of there being 7 seasons of Next Generation vs. 3 seasons of TOS. A project of this size is going to have a very limited time and budget. Having to reassemble every episode in the editing room, and doing all of the other post production work essentially means TNG is back in post again. To recreate all 7 seasons effects with CGI and expect it to be good, let alone passable, is pretty unrealistic. TOSR was finished at a break neck pace, and it shows quite often with the inconsistent CGI. At least with TNG in HD, the poor buggers recompositing the FX have some breathing room so if they do have to replace some missing FX with CGI, they’ll at least have some time to do a good job on it.

There is nothing wrong with a good chunk of the model work in TNG, it was amazing what they pulled off on a television budget. The results of the modern compositing techniques have been rather stunning. I don’t see any need to go back and do it all over again just because ‘we can’. If pieces happen to be missing, then great…they’ll be replaced. Best of both worlds.

139. Red Dead Ryan - January 23, 2012

It’s too bad they auctioned off most of the physical models. They really do belong in a museum. Nothing against those who were fortunate to be able to get their hands on one, but a museum or travelling exhibit allow for more people to enjoy them, as well as for a potentially safer and more secure environment to keep them.

I mean, what happens if the owner of the six foot Enterprise D model accidentally smashes it? What if his house burns down? What if someone steals it? What if his crazy wife drops it on the drive way and runs over it with her car as a way to get back at him?

140. Vultan - January 23, 2012

Physical models look better on most occasions because the filmmakers are forced to use them as something… well, physical and not animated. There’s nothing wrong with CG textures and lighting these days. They look great, but until they learn—or case may be, discipline—themselves in how to make a ship ACT like the human brain would perceive a giant space ship to act (meaning moving through space like a battleship and not a fighter plane), physical models are still going to look—I mean, ACT—slightly better.

141. OneBuckFilms - January 23, 2012

137 – A lot of the time, physical model shots do tend to be better than CGI.

Star Trek ’09 was fantastic in the ship effects, but those effects are far more expensive and intricate that those made for TNG.

Re-compositing and rebuinding the episodes the way they are is probably the only real viable way to get the extremely well produced, 7 season show into the HD realm.

Sometimes things are missing, or elements simpyl were not made on film, or just do not stand up at Hight Definition resolution.

From what I can see, the work is superb all around.

The fact that there was debate as to whether some of the replaced shots were re-composited, or recreated, is testament to the quality of both the original work and the recreated shots.

Also, the approach here was not to create all kinds of new shots, and show new things, ala TOS Remastered, but to approach this as a conversion, with only occasional corrections.

This is the appropriate, and most economical way to do it, and also the most respectful fo the original episodes, IMHO.

142. Trekboi - January 23, 2012

Physical models Do Not always look better- for example the 4 foot “Hidious-prise”
Leave all the 6 foot model shots in, some of the far away 4 foot shots but CGI the others & get rid of all the close up 4 foot model shots
They are ugly & obviously a different model up close

143. Trekboi - January 23, 2012

You can’t have a “beauty” shot of an Ugly ship.

It served it’s purpose on 1980-90′s primetime network SD TV but it’s not good enough for HD TV

144. captain_neill - January 23, 2012

143

I happen to love the Enterprise D.

145. Craiger - January 23, 2012

Imagine the 1701-D looking like this shot if they had this technology back then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9Rj-r25OTk

146. Simon - January 23, 2012

#138 – I am not proposing to replace every model shot with CG. However there are a number of dodgy model shots throughout the run of TNG that can stand to be replaced. Example: most of the modelwork in “Descent, Part II” is terrible, the worst in the series.
“Best of Both Worlds” – the Enterprise is supposed to be taking heavy damage…yet there’s not a scratch on her. A drawback of using both stock footage and not being able to mar the expensive studio model. For most of the third season of the series ENTERPRISE the ship is trashed. They couldn’t really do that with the physical models.
You want to talk movement, well take the opening shot of Act I “Yesterday’s Enterprise”. It’s a great camera shot, yet they look like plastic models. The Enterprise-C herself is supposed to be nearly twice the size of the Excelsior yet does she look like a massive ship that’s only second (at the time) to the Galaxy class?
BTW: did you see (in person) the studio miniature of the Romulan Warbird? I have and it’s terrible (drilled holes for the “windows”). That is one model I don’t think will stand up to HD scrutiny and should be redone.

147. sean - January 23, 2012

#134

You do realize this article predates those articles? Meaning Trekmovie was first?

148. the Dogfaced Boy - January 23, 2012

134. Ryeman – January 23, 2012
“TrekMovie, TrekMovie…..sigh.
You used to be the ‘go to’ site for the latest news, info etc…
You are way behind on the latest data!
http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/index.html#sfin_ex

147. sean

And they quote Trekmovie for clearing up the screen shape question. The ad is in widescreen but the show was in 4/3. I guess they realized an ad in 4/3 would not be very impressive.

149. Red Dead Ryan - January 23, 2012

#146.

The Enterprise C was meant to be only slightly bigger than the Enterprise B. Go look at the Encyclopedia. Enterprise B=467 meters. Enterprise C=526 meters.

Also, while I haven’t seen the Warbird in person, I have seen close-up shots and the model looked fine to me. Sure, there’s going to be some slight imperfections, but the same holds true for the various physical “Star Wars” models. The imperfections are usually too small to be seen on screen anyway.

Also, the cgi Enterprise D in “Generations” is obvious due to how the light reflected off the ship, and the coloring was slightly different from the model. The shot of the Enterprise D escaping from the shockwave was cgi. It stands out.

150. Simon - January 23, 2012

#149 – The CG 1701-D in GENERATIONS was only used for the warp shots and that was it. The whole thing is distorted.

Warbird imperfections are fine for a 480i TV screen. A 1080p picture on a 50+ inch screen? Yikes.

The Enterprise-C may be 526 meters but does the model look like it? Nope. The Enterprise-B in GENERATIONS looks massive, and BTW *all* shots of it where the Nexus ribbon is in the frame it was CG. It still looks massive when the “lightning bolt” strikes the secondary hull, and that shot is still CG.

151. Trekboi - January 24, 2012

#144 I love the D too but the 6 foot model not the inferior 4 foot mess.

they need to replace shots that are not up to HD standards, mistakes & inconsistancies without pandering to the purists.

152. Red Dead Ryan - January 24, 2012

#150.

That may be because we had more close-up shots (as in the camera almost touching the hull) of the Enterprise B than the Enterprise C, which we saw mostly from a bit of distance, except for the “Military Log” scene after the title credits.

But it may also have something to do with the types of cameras used. It could be that a widescreen movie camera does a better job of making things look bigger than a 4:3 camera does, though I don’t know, as I know nothing about filmmaking.

153. pucochamp - January 24, 2012

Is it just me or does Season 7 look considerably better in its original format than the other seasons? It looks crisper, and the lighting is greatly enhanced over the early seasons. I remember the special effects like phasers were a lot better in season 7 too. I wonder if the HD upscaling won’t be as impressive for season 7. Still excited for the set, however.

154. THX-1138 - January 24, 2012

Mongo love Enterprise D. Mongo get bluray TNG when it come out. Mongo have big TV with big surround. Mongo not able wait to see TNG with prettier picture. Mongo love TNG.

155. Simon - January 24, 2012

#152 – there is no “camera” in a CG shot. The majority of the Enterprise-B shots in GENERATIONS are CGI. She still looks massive. My point is that in CG she looks just as good or better than any physical model of the ship. They may want to consider replacing the cheesy Enterprise-C model with a decked-out CG version, because for me she’s the worst Enterprise.

156. Bart - January 24, 2012

Trekcore has posted some more screen caps of Encounter at Farpoint, including the saucer separation.

This shot appears to have been cgi-ed as well…

http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/exclusive_images/Farpoint/Farpoint10c.jpg

The windows on the neck are arranged different, the escape pods are more detailed and so are the transporter buffers.

The other shots from the saucer separation appear to be the same…

157. Red Dead Ryan - January 24, 2012

#155.

The only cg shots of the Enterprise B that I’m aware of are when the ship is in the nexus.

I’m pretty sure the B was a model at space dock, as well as when it left the nexus.

158. Simon - January 24, 2012

#157 – It is a model there, but once she leaves the drydock it’s a CG ship until the slow pan across the damaged secondary hull with Chekov, Scotty and Harriman staring off into space from deck 15 (the warp shot is a stock shot of the Excelsior warping by from THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY).

Betcha all you “models are ALWAYS better” folks didn’t know that!

159. Chris Freeman - January 25, 2012

Are they CGI’ing all the black posterboard they taped over the rear bridge consoles to reduce glare in season 1 and 2?

160. tom r - January 30, 2012

the credit font really needs to be changed before they realise full seasons, it’s looks cheap, computer-gamish, nothing as classy as it did on TNG.

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