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Rumor Control: Cumberbatch Role NOT Confirmed By IMDB + Star Trek Sequel Locations NOT Tweeted January 23, 2012

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Rumor,Star Trek Into Darkness , trackback

There are a couple of Star Trek sequel tidbits floating around the Internets that TrekMovie has been getting emails on and so once again we have done some checking and we have some debunking to do with regards to IMDB and Benedict Cumberbatch and also locations for the film. See below.


IMDB did NOT confirm Cumberbatch as Khan

TrekMovie got a number of tweets and emails about the IMDB page for the Untitled Star Trek Sequel (2013). The issue was that actor Benedict Cumberbatch was being listed as playing "Khan." Many fans were taking the listing as an official confirmation of previous rumors. It was not. IMDB is a fantastic website and resource for any fan of films, however the site does not break news for films in production. It functions somewhat like a Wiki, where anyone can submit an edit to a page (to be reviewed by editors). And in fact after the Khan listing went up, I submitted a number of edits to the page, which have just been implemented. The Khan listing is now gone. I also suggested the addition of Bruce Greenwood in the role of Christopher Pike (officially confirmed) and the removal the note "rumored" next to the casting of Noel Clarke. Both of those edits were also implemented.

However, inexplicably IMDB now has Cumberbatch listed as "rumored". My submitted edit said Cumberbatch was officially confirmed, but that the role of Khan was only “rumored.” Perhaps the editor got confused on that, and this shows unreliable IMDB can be before the release of a film. Let us not forget that back in 2006 IMDB had Matt Damon listed as playing Kirk in the 2009 Star Trek movie.

For his part, director JJ Abrams wont even confirm Cumberbatch is playing a villain, however this has been confirmed by TrekMovie sources (and Variety). Some outlets have reported Khan is in the film, but this is not something that has been confirmed officially by Paramount or by sources. Khan’s name has been heard but there have also been denials so for now we continue to consider it a "rumor." It is possible Cumberbatch is playing Khan, but it is important to note that IMDB was not confirming rumors, only repeating them (and now they are just leaving the character name blank).

IMDB listing now closer to confirmed info, but still a bit off

Star Trek sequel locations have NOT been tweeted

Another thing going around the Interweb is a tweet from Locations Hollywood, a company that does location services (but not for the Star Trek sequel).

This list has been reported elsewhere, however TrekMovie sources say that this isn’t accurate. With the exception of listing Sony Studios (which TrekMovie has already reported), this actually appears to be a partial list of locations from the 2009 Star Trek movie. The Budweiser plant is also expected to be used again for engineering sections of the Enterprise, but that isn’t really news either. As for Long Beach City Hall, that was used for the Starfleet Academy assembly room, and a hanger at MCAS Tustin was used for the academy hangar scene and Vasquez Rocks was used for Vulcan (which was destroyed). As for Dodger Stadium, the 2009 film actually was using the parking lot, but that was mostly due to allowing them to build sets outdoors that will get good sunlight and have real blue skies (saving them from having to add the sky later via CGI). The Dodger Stadium shoot was actually spotted in 2008 by a local news helicopter.

2008 filming of Star Trek film at Dodger Stadium parking lot

There are also locations for the new movie that are not listed above. TrekMovie has already reported that the new movie will be shooting at an LA area museum which will be standing for a famous Star Trek location. There is also the alien jungle location which will be shot somewhere in southern California (originally JJ Abrams traveled to Hawaii to scout for this location). A trusted source also tells TrekMovie that there are other interesting alien locations being shot on location.

UPDATE: Due to TrekMovie’s reporting, Locations Hollywood has since removed its original tweet. In an email to TrekMovie, they say they are going to double check on their source. According to LH, their goal is to “generate interest in projects that film in L.A.” and they want to be sure they are accurate.

Stay tuned to for all the latest on the Star Trek sequel.


1. Darwin5 - January 23, 2012

I’m first and I’m Khaaaaannnnnn

2. ARGG - January 23, 2012

Staaaaar Traaaaack

3. Ensign Ricky - January 23, 2012

Please no Khan.

4. Oddness - January 23, 2012

Whatever it is Mr. Cumberbatch does in this movie should be sure to please. This man can act! I think hes one of the most interesting talents of this time.

5. MJ - January 23, 2012

“There is also the alien jungle location which will be shot somewhere in southern California.”

East LA?

6. Jack - January 23, 2012

Anybody can submit that stuff? So I can list my landlady as Sexy Tellarite #3?

7. Matthew M - January 23, 2012

Can’t believe all you clowns still think it’s going to be Khan. That would be the worse move anyone could make. It’s one thing for a Mexican to play Khan, he did it well being a darker complexion like a Punjabi Indian would have but a lily white English boy as a Punjabi Sikh? No way. What’s next, ‘blackface’?

Wake up people, it’s not happening.

8. MJ - January 23, 2012

@7. I disagree. I have predicted it is Khan from Day 1, and I will be fully vindicated in front of you, Keachick and others when it is confirmed soon.

9. Charles E. Pratt, Jr. - January 23, 2012

I wonder when we’ll have the official movie site going online…

10. Bucky - January 23, 2012

Confirmation at some point would be nice if Khan is in it or not. It’s starting to get a bit silly. These ain’t exactly nuclear launch codes, y’know.

11. MaxxFlash - January 23, 2012

From my sources, Benedict is playing Sybok. Just saying.

12. Anthony Pascale - January 23, 2012


You have been warned, you ignored, now goodbye for flaming

13. Gorn Born - January 23, 2012

Anthony P,

You run a first class site here. Thank you for keeping it user friendly re: booting flamers.

Articles like this are really appreciated. You are a model for responsible rumor control.

14. Basement Blogger - January 23, 2012

@ 5

MJ, ha, ha, ha.

15. Basement Blogger - January 23, 2012

Thanks for the update Anthony P. Thanks for the info on IMDB, I still trust the site, it gives a lot of information on film and the history of actors.

16. Oddness - January 23, 2012

Sybok…Now that might be interesting. Actually having him around could be super interesting. Ben C would be a killer Vulcan or Romulan as a more anti hero type.

It would be a hoot if they simply put Del Toro up to a faux casting call only to make it appear as if wed have version of Khan in this film. Just the kind of fun misinformation tactic I could see JJ using.

17. Anthony Pascale - January 23, 2012

Let me be clear, I love IMDB. I use it all the time. It is a very reliable source of information about films. The problem is some people misunderstand what it is and apply that trust for past films to films in development and believe there are these insiders at IMDB who are breaking news. That simply is not the case. It is, as it says in the name, a database. And as with all databases, garbage in, garbage out.

I got all these emails saying “IMDB is reporting” and “according to IMDB” when really it is “some guy edited the IMDB page to say…”

18. Thorny - January 23, 2012

What’s that “Ensign Spyke” entry all about?

19. AJ - January 23, 2012

Ack! Cant wait until this part of the wait is done with.

20. Peter Loader - January 23, 2012

IMDB’s pretty good. I use it all the time and find it highly reliable.

21. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 23, 2012

I wonder which forest they might use for filming. I just googled forests in California and there are 18 national forests in that state and I also found out that there is a Pine mountain! I am in awe. Fantastic! C’mon, JJ and co, seduce me with some glorious sights of Californian natural beauty, along with some awesome sights from galaxies far, far, far away… I dare ya!

The state of California is about a third bigger than the whole of New Zealand. Just saying.

22. Andrews - January 23, 2012

The racefail that would have to occur in order for lily-white Bernardo Cumberbastion to play the Sikh, Khan, would be omega-level and a complete embarrassment on the part of JJ, Orci, Kurtzman, the casting director, et al. I have enough faith in the Supreme Court that it’s not going to happen.


Besides, they’re probably saving Khan for the third one, as depressing as that is (I want him gone forever).

23. Andrews - January 23, 2012

@10: “Confirmation at some point would be nice if Khan is in it or not.”

No way; it’s continuing to generate buzz and JJ is a troll. Not to mention he lost a lot of interest and goodwill by waiting so damn long to start on the sequel, and he needs all the help he can get to keep interest levels treading water.

24. Chasco - January 24, 2012

“The Budweiser plant is also expected to be used again for engineering sections of the Enterprise”

Seriously? After so much negative feedback, so many pleas for an engineering section with a futuristic feel, and SO MUCH MONEY to spend? They”re going with the s*dding brewery?

25. FarStrider - January 24, 2012

@18 THANK YOU, Thorny. . .I’ve been wondering about that for weeks!


26. boborci - January 24, 2012

Yo, spent the day on set with DamOn and Peter Weller. We couldnt believe how smart, how funny, how warm, and how talented Mr.Weller was. One of the best days, proffessionally, of my life.

27. FarStrider - January 24, 2012

@26 Oh, stop rubbing it in, boborci. . . We already know you have one of the coolest jobs in the world. . . ~___^


28. boborci - January 24, 2012

27. Ha! Let me demystify my job. Being on set, as a writer, is usally BORING!

29. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - January 24, 2012

Hey Bob Orci. Please tell me you guys took the lens caps off for filming.

30. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - January 24, 2012

Hey Bob Orci. Can you confirm if J.J will be using lens flares for this movie as well.

31. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - January 24, 2012

Hey Bob. For some reason I just can’t see you being Bored on a Star Trek set.

32. FarStrider - January 24, 2012

Uh huh. . . I’m sure you are saying that because you don’t want everyone gunning for your job. . . I mean, even the waiters in Hollywood carry scripts around. . .

Seriously though, I know being creative is actually work, it’s good to hear (read) that so far everything is going well. . .


33. boborci - January 24, 2012

30. What can i say? The future is so bright, i gotta … Never mnd.

34. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - January 24, 2012

Oh come on Bob. We all know he is using lens flares lol.

35. Basement Blogger - January 24, 2012

@ 26


Hey, Peter Weller has a Masters in Roman and Renaissance Art (His wiki.) According to his Wiki, he’s working on his Italian Renaissance art history at UCLA. After seeing him in Robocop, he’ s also a crime fighter who’s good with a gun. What a Renaissance Man! If any of you missed his Funny or Die commentary about the proposed statue in Detroit of Robocop, I’ve linked it for you. I forgot. The man can dance too.

36. WillH85 - January 24, 2012

Please no Khan and please no brewery.

37. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - January 24, 2012

IMDB, has its good moments and bad moments, I have a page on there, nothing big mind you just a few small speaking roles and v.o. things I have done in the last 10 years (only stuff that i am actually credited for none of the uncredited crap alot of extras like to do )and None of the credits of mine they have listed for me were submited by me, however they are missing several projects I have a legitmate onscreen credit for, and everytime i try to submit it they fail to add them, Ive even tried contacting them more directly to get them to add them. and on top of that recently they replaced my photo with that of a lady (Mind you I am a MAN) who it turns out had a name similar to mine. It took me a month for them to resolve that issue, all the while they are more than happy to take my imdbpro fee,inspite of their error. And they even have 3 credits on my page that are not mine as well, that I have submited to be removed but they still dont.

Like I said the stuff ive done is under fives on a few soap opera’s and a few dayplayer and V.O. Stuff,small stuff yes, but freaking roles ive recieved a legit on screen credit for, and it just agrivates me to no end,that alot of times that they will let any joe blow fill their page up with uncredited back ground work, but small legit actors who actually have credit on screen get ignored when its brought to their attention.

38. Khan was Framed! - January 24, 2012

My god, can we please get a title for this thing already?!

And it’s ridiculous at this point to continue to hold back Cumberbatch’s character, it’s been weeks now, just tell us he’s Khan.

So sick of this secrecy game.

I need a few decent spoilers to keep me invested.

39. Pat - January 24, 2012

I think thats ahhh star traak enterprise there…geeez

40. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - January 24, 2012

21 when was it said they were filming in a forrest here? I ve read Jungle, not forrest. And a Jungle and a forrest are about as similar as a swamp and a lake.

41. Bugs Nixon - January 24, 2012

I went off IMDB when they changed the layout. I used to be on it all the time, now I barely look at it.

42. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - January 24, 2012

If i had to guess I would probably say it would be somewhere around Malibu state creek park which has been used as a jungle setting before in movies as well.

43. Ibot - January 24, 2012

please no khan, make sth fresh and new

44. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - January 24, 2012

43 I am with you! I thought we were past all these Khan rumors allready.

45. captain_neill - January 24, 2012

Thank God these are rumours.

You would have one angry Trekkie here if the villain turned out to be a redo of Khan.

Khan is one of my fav villains and one of the best movies period and any redo or new take would always be inferior to the original so stay away.

46. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 24, 2012

#40 – No. The meaning of forest, jungle and bush are synonymous. It depends where the word is used, eg.

Bush – term also used in Australia
“New Zealand’s bush is of a different quality: densely forested land, as exemplified by the area around Lake Gunn in Fiordland

In New Zealand, the term has a more specific connotation — that of isolated, heavily forested countryside, as opposed to the open coastal plains and tussock-covered high country. Bush always refers to areas of native trees rather than exotic forests. In contrast to the Australian “bush” it would be impossible to ride a horse through New Zealand bush, and foot travel is slow and arduous, except on walking tracks cut for purpose.

The New Zealand usage of ‘bush’ probably comes from the word ‘bosch’, used by Dutch settlers in South Africa, where it meant uncultivated country.[3]” – Wikipedia

Forest –
” A dense growth of trees, plants, and underbrush covering a large area.
Something that resembles a large, dense growth of trees, as in density, quantity, or profusion: a forest of skyscrapers.
A defined area of land formerly set aside in England as a royal hunting ground.”

Jungle –
“1. (Earth Sciences / Physical Geography) an equatorial forest area with luxuriant vegetation, often almost impenetrable
2. any dense or tangled thicket or growth”

The picture shown of a jungle in Hawaii on the November 20 thread could easily be a photo of bush in our Waitakere Ranges half an hour’s drive from my place on the north west coast of Auckland. I went tramping in a less accessible area there with others a few years back and we could only get through the thick undergrowth by using a machete. NZ’s bush is also referred to as a sub-tropical rainforest.

47. Aurore - January 24, 2012

“…spent the day on set with DamOn……”

ENOUGH with the provocatiOns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


48. Tom - January 24, 2012

#26 boborci

Any plans to spend a day on set with the Shat. There is a wonderful scene that I think should be filmed…

49. Werbwolf - January 24, 2012

I really hope Khan will be in the movie.
Here is how I imagine it to be:

The stars are slowly wandering over the screen and we see a small shadow coming near.
The shadow forms into a longly shaped vessel.
The name will be recognizable. On the hull it says “Botany Bay”
The camera moves slowly towards a door while a lensflare from a nearby star is seen.
Suddenly there is a fast flash of light which moves from the left to the right

Cut to the Bridge of the Enterprise

Sulu: “Captain? We just hit an object while at warp. It was not mentioned in any maps.”
Kirk: “Any damages?”
Sulu: “No sir, but the objekt was vaporized.”
Kirk: “Well, retain course and speed. Can´t have been that important” *biting in apple*

50. TheInquisitor - January 24, 2012

I just want to buy this mofo! I’ve never seen this model before!

51. Rob - January 24, 2012

@#13:Gorn Born

“thanks for booting flamers”

What ever happened to IDIC, sugar plum?

52. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 24, 2012

#49 – Sounds like a good scene to me…:) How about it, Bob? Just make sure that Chris Pine “my captain” gets to bite into a great big juicy sweet apple, if only to annoy JJ…:) How is the Terran apple harvest when this story takes place, btw? You should not neglect the little details, should you? An apple could be very important – I mean, take Adam, Eve and the apple. Need I say more?

53. JIM - January 24, 2012

It could be Khan! Why not?
Just because we trekkies know that there is already a film with this character? But the other part of the audience which isn’t familiar with Trek does not! So, for most of them it would be something new!
I mean, who thought Zack Snyder would come up with Zod? Again? It is another Generation and Khan was good!

@boborci: poor you, getting bored at the set of the next Trek-Movie;)

54. CmdrR - January 24, 2012


…and only 16 more months of guessing, revising our guesses, and decoding fake news.

55. alec - January 24, 2012

I only watched Trek 2009 once at the cinema because of Budgineering. It took me right out of the film and I couldn’t suspend my disbelief. It was really awful. Considering the budget this film had, more than all the original series films combined, that was a huge let down.

I will want to know whether the engineering set has been improved before I go and see this film. Also, if Khan’s in it, I will want to check they’ve done justice to the legend and not destroyed it as the Star Wars sequels did for Vader.

56. Robert H. - January 24, 2012

So Admiral Pike is back, and Khan isn’t. Sweeeet.

57. The Snob - January 24, 2012

#55 You’d really let a movie set determine wether you’d see this film or not..? I mean, I can understand elements like story or character developement, but seriously: a SET..?? And besides: even though the engineering set was a let down, the scene itself (with Scotty inside the tube) was well executed, which is a lot more important than the mere esthetics of the surroundings…

58. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 24, 2012

I’m tired. Get over budgineering. It was/is what it was/is. Besides, I expect to hear lots of chirping wee budgies and Scotty all smiles, what with chirpy birds for company (Keenser got promoted to 1st Officer of the USS Marty Sue, I think) and a fine distillery/brewery at his fingertips…

Stop obsessing about Khan. He will either be in the movie or he won’t.

Gotta sleep now. Going to see Tin-Tin tomorrow.

59. Tanner Waterbury - January 24, 2012

33 boborci

D’ohh horrible pun… By the way, if you see Peter Seller again, tell him a fan really liked him in Naked Lunch, even though it was one weird ass movie…

60. Soonerdew - January 24, 2012

Back to the brewery for Engineering? Disappointing.

61. D for me - January 24, 2012


62. VZX - January 24, 2012

12: Instabanned!

Well, more like warned multiple times, then banned. But banned all the same! I just like the term “instaban.”

63. Picard's Fish - January 24, 2012

Cumberbatch would make a fantastic Vulcan..

64. VZX - January 24, 2012

The future’s so bright, I gotta wear shades that block out lens flares.

I think the bridge crew should wear polarized shades to block out all that light coming straight at their eyeballs.

65. VZX - January 24, 2012

Here’s a big question: Why is there no title yet?

I’ve been saying for awhile that creating a good title for this is harder than trying to find the Higgs Boson particle, but you can’t just leave it as “Untitled Star Trek Sequel.”

Or can you….

66. Dee - lvs moon' surface - January 24, 2012

Yes, great tracks out there that do not lead us anywhere … Simon Pegg about bears, snow, helmets and transmissions … LOL …

and of course, boborci having an exciting day on the set … + LOL

Gosh glad I saw the photos of ZQ in last weekend … He was wearing those geeky glasses but Mr. Spock eyebrows were there…….

and also JJ Abrams was looking good…………… :-) ;-)

67. njdss4 - January 24, 2012

Please, no Khan or brewery.

68. Kenneth Of Borg - January 24, 2012

Hey BobOrci,
Are you using Hollywood OS for background again? How do we get a chance to work on the film?

69. Daoud - January 24, 2012

@63: Explains the darkened hair, doesn’t it.
Sybok, proselytizing the Romulans of the present day help their Vulcan cousins encounters a Terran relic from the time of troubles…. and with support from the shadowy CEO of Soong Industries…. to bring peace to the galaxy…. Yuck!
Maybe we DON’T want the title, we could be in for a SERIOUIS disappointment that makes budgineering look hoppy. Or hops-y.

70. Daoud - January 24, 2012

Shirley, you can’t be SERIOUS.

71. Picard's Fish - January 24, 2012

@69.. watching Sherlock, I keep seeing him as a Vulcan.. the character is not that far off..

72. Aurore - January 24, 2012

….Someone said “sugar plum” somewhere on this thread…

I loved it.

DamOn, how about incorporating those words in one scene?

It’s not too late; it’s the kind of last-minute addition to the script which can make or break the sequel.
I’m talking I’d-like-to thank-the-academy-for-that-award kind of stuff, here.

At least, think about it.

Thank you.

73. VZX - January 24, 2012

That’s cool that Bob is hanging out with DamOn and Peter Weller. Best day professionally of his life? Is that due to how awesome Weller is as an actor? Or, is there something more to that? Yeah, I’m reaching for clues in there somewhere.

I’m sure anytime you get to watch a great actor speak the words you created is amazing. Dang, that’s got to be awesome. I like to imagine it’s like putting your hand in a glove: it gives it life.

74. Aurore - January 24, 2012

“I’m sure anytime you get to watch a great actor speak the words you created is amazing.”


…… And, just imagine Mr. Cumberbatch uttering the words “sugar plum”….


75. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - January 24, 2012

I can kind of understand why some fans want Khan. It seems like a number of fans view Star Trek as a jukebox with all the slots filled, and they just want to keep on dropping quarters in and punching endless combinations of the same tracks over and over, forever (that really makes it “Star Track”).

Me, I got excited that the Bad Robot team was doing ST2009 because I knew it meant a relatively fresh take on the franchise. And they delivered. But at the same time, they kind of had clear obligations to (re-)introduce the characters. Now, for 2013, the Bad Robot team has a chance, finally, to break new ground and go for something truly fresh (while still honoring the spirit of the franchise)… and they’re going to rehash Khan? Really?

Sorry, but that would be the least imaginative move I can think of them doing. I’d still go see the movie, but it would be a huge letdown. They can keep the Enterprise interior and exterior the same as in 2009, that’s far, far down the list of priorities for me (since I mostly liked those aspects anyway).

76. Picard's Fish - January 24, 2012

Khan can be incorporated into the story outside the main villain role

not saying that’s what I want, just saying it could happen.

77. Hugh Hoyland - January 24, 2012

I still cant help but think the villain is Khan. Its just a feeling though, not based on any hard evidence.

Who else Khan it be? I mean Khan on!

78. Hat Rick - January 24, 2012

BREAKING NEWS! Star Trek movie filiming at Cal State Northridge!

(Breaking news as of 2008, that is. ;-) )

It’s amazing what gets reported on that certain interconnected pipeline thingy known as the Internet.

I remember photographing the filming of Star Trek (2009) on the premises of good ol’ CSUN. Where the Oviatt Library stood in as Starfleet Academy.

Long Beach City Hall, by the way, was the headquarters of Federation Council.

What locations could they cast for Star Trek (2013), I wonder?

Some suggestions:

– The Burj Khalifa in an unobtrusive cameo (a la R2D2 in the starship destruction scene in ST2008) as a building in San Francisco;

– A modified version of the Crystal Cathedral (Orange County, California) in a flashback scene in the Vulcan Academy (the CC has lattice-like structures similar to that viewed in the “Live long and prosper” scene wherein Young Spock tells his Science Academy superiors to jump in a lake);

– Parts of Yosemite in a scene from Unidentified Alien Planet, in an homage to Star Trek V (remember that “Go Climb a Rock” shirt Kirk was wearing?);

– Angkor Wat, in a scene relating to the Klingon Home Planet, Quonos; and yes, this is ironic, since the Angkor Wat relates to an ancient civilization whose hallmark is peace, whereas the Klingon civilization is decidedly warlike; and,

– Shard London Bridge (previously known as the London Bridge Tower), in an homage to the sheer Britishness of Star Trek (2013).

Possibly more to come. :-)

Note to producers: Feel free to contact me for more location suggestions, particularly if all-expenses-paid travel is involved. ;-)

79. sunfell - January 24, 2012

Thank you for doing what you can to keep rumors and misinformation about the new movie below the noise floor. It gets tiring to see 2009 stuff recycled as ‘new’ things, and silly rumors about who’s playing whom churned around.

I’d ask for a total ban on Khan rumors- only because they’re totally lame.

On a happier note, Zach Quinto’s company, Before The Door has scored their first Academy Award nomination for their movie “Margin Call” in the Best Original Screenplay category.

80. Trekker5 - January 24, 2012

#26,I just wanta thank you Mr.Orci,for droping in and telling us stuff. I think its really cool that you care! :) As far as this whole website thing,if I want Trek news,I only and always come to Trekmovie! You rock Anthony! :)

81. Aurore - January 24, 2012

“On a happier note, Zach Quinto’s company, Before The Door has scored their first Academy Award nomination for their movie “Margin Call” in the Best Original Screenplay category.”

This is fantastic news!

82. Aurore - January 24, 2012

Hi, Olivia!

83. Hat Rick - January 24, 2012

My life is too exciting and my MD has prescribed a clean dose of tedium. Tedium — the Miracle Drug of the Future.

So anyway, for that reason: May I visit the ST 2013 sites, please, Mr. Orci? Pretty please?

It’s for medicinal purposes only, I promise.

84. Phil - January 24, 2012

Well, there are a couple of arboretum’s in So. Cal, that properly dressed, could pass as jungles. The Endor scenes on ROTJ were shot in northern CA, so that might be a possibility. Of course, what they did in Dodger Stadium was impressive on screen…

85. Hat Rick - January 24, 2012

Southern California has a plethora of scenery usable for just about anything.

I was just at the Los Angeles Natural History Museum this weekend (I was able to get in for free!) and saw the amazing dioramas they have of various kinds of wildlife in their native habitats.

Oh, and they have a new dinosaur hall! (For those in SoCal, go see it!)

It’s great what they can do with the appropriate scene dressing, but I still say that on-location filiming is where it’s at. And one has plenty of that in SoCal.

For example: Mountains — the Lake Arrowhead / Big Bear area. Easily accessible, distance-wise, by SoCal standards of distance;

Oceans — need I say more?

Deserts — Death Valley, a place that people drive by every day by the thousands on their way to and from Vegas; and yes, Death Valley is in California (Inyo County);

Winter scenes — believe it or not, yes, we have plenty of snow-capped mountains, especially these days, with the stupid crazy cold weather;


SoCal is still the film capital of the world. So, to other film locations around the world: “Suck it!” (apologies to Sheldon of TBBT). (Just kidding. :-) )

86. orly - January 24, 2012

Danny Boyle has just confirmed Benedict Cumberbatch is filming in Canada. Boyle had ot go and pick up a best actor award on his behalf and explained Cumberbatch’s absence as filming in Canada.

87. Cervantes - January 24, 2012

Ah, yet another opportunity to voice my opposition to this villian as being a ‘Khan’ reboot! Thanks.

88. orly - January 24, 2012

So the fact he;s filming in Canada mean its a forest setting or snow terrain?

89. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - January 24, 2012

For Trek News. Trekmovie is the best site. Other sites report rumors. Trekmovie report’s fact’s. To trust other sites would be. Illogicle.

90. Phil - January 24, 2012

85. Well, it’s been a bit light on the snow this year. Thinking about it, though, the Indian Canyons outside of Palm Springs might actually pass as a tropical environment, with a little dressing…

91. Jai - January 24, 2012

Good to see that Anthony Pascale is being proactive about debunking the rumours. It’s also great that our friend Bob Orci is here again.

I don’t have a problem with the idea of Khan being in the movie, but Cumberbatch wouldn’t exactly be the right person for the role. Fans automatically assuming that any actor named as the still-unidentified villain will be playing Khan is like assuming that George Clooney would be playing Sisko if the movies were set in the DS9 era and it was announced that Clooney had joined the cast. Remember that Tropic Thunder was a satire, not a documentary ;)

In the 1960s “Space Seed” episode, Ricardo Montalban was very noticeably plastered in “brownface” makeup, presumably to make him look “more Indian”. You can imagine what would need to be done to Cumberbatch to get the same effect. I have difficulty believing Bob Orci & co would even consider pulling that kind of stunt in 2012.

I also doubt Cumberbatch would go along with anything like that; surely he must already be aware that it’s a loaded issue and one that has a particularly nasty history in Britain.

If Cumberbatch is playing a human, I suspect he won’t be Khan but another genetically-augmented leader.

Of course, I could be wrong and MJ in #8 could eventually turn out to be right. In ST09, Farhan Tahir was cast as Captain Robau, a “Cuban who grew up in the Middle East”, even though Robau actually speaks with a Pakistani/Indian accent.

Bob Orci, please note that South Asia isn’t in the Middle East, and the two regions’ accents are completely different. It’s like claiming a character grew up in Spain to explain his accent, but the character actually speaking with a Scottish accent instead.

92. Frederick - January 24, 2012

I don’t want to see ANY old villains or plots recycled… we have the originals. Now that TOS-era Trek is being produced again, give us NEW characters and plots! Here’s hoping for something fresh.

93. EM - January 24, 2012

I would, right now, trade a day of Bob Orci boredom for a week of my exciting job! Maybe even a whole month, if he was really eager to switch. I wouldn’t even attempt to rewrite anything for him. I’d just sit there and be bored aaaaaaaalllllllllllll daaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy loooooooong.

94. Holly - January 24, 2012

Are the Canadian forests being used as a jungle instead of Hawaii. Cumberbatch must be filming Star Trek there if Danny Boyle says he’s filming in that country at the moment @Whatsonstage Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Benedict filming in Canada today so award collected for him by director Danny Boyle, gives choice of long or short version of speech

95. EM - January 24, 2012

Hey, I live in Canada and haven’t seen Cumberbatch anywhere!!

96. The Professor - January 24, 2012

I would pay good money it they really do have “other interesting alien locations being shot on location”.

97. Marshall McMellon - January 24, 2012

Based on my personal experiences with, I take pretty much anything I read there with a couple of grains of rock salt. having formerly been both an actor AND a makeup Artist, I have a listing there. Unfortunately, my listing contains some inaccurate info that I have tried for years to have removed (to no avail). CAN be a useful tool in looking for information about movies, TV shows or actors- but don’t necessarily take it as gospel.

98. Adolescent Nightmare - January 24, 2012

Eyebrows would have been shaved if he were Vulcan. He’s


99. Eric Cheung - January 24, 2012

What is interesting is the use of an LA museum. I wonder which it’ll be? LACMA perhaps? The Getty? Maybe one of the museums in Griffith Park? The ones at USC? The Hammer Museum?

My guess would have to be the Getty, it’s one of the most interesting looking museums.

100. CarlG - January 24, 2012

@62: I’m partial to the word “banhammer” myself. :)

101. Buzz Cagney - January 24, 2012

#91 sounds like a job for Sean Connery!

102. rogerachong - January 24, 2012

Hey Anthony Pascale there is a video up on with Patrick Stewart talking about his experience on TNG stating his collegues thought that TNG would be a failure. It is a really nice post.

103. RumorMill - January 24, 2012

OK, regarding the next Halloween installment, Halloween 3D, I really think they need to recast. The guy who played Michael was horrible. Michael was never that big, and was 100% more scarier in the originals than in that Zombie crap. Loomis was horrible, Laurie was horrible. PLEASE let’s get a new cast. Stay away from Rob Zombie’s mess that he put together. It was a disgrace to the whole franchise.

104. VZX - January 24, 2012

Is it me, or are the Academy Awards just a big popularity contest? Super 8 did not get nominated for anything. Neither did Cowboys & Aliens. I thought they would at least get technical noms like cinematography, art dir, costumes, special FX, etc.

Well, I do like some of the noms. I’ll root for War Horse, I guess. Maybe Hugo.

105. Picard's Fish - January 24, 2012

@94 are they still filming The Hobbit? maybe he’s on location in Canada for this movie

106. Jay - January 24, 2012

When people on here throw around phrases like “everyone hated the engineering sets, so why are they using them again??” you have to remember that is a very small minority you are talking about.

Maybe most people commenting on this website hated them, but that is a very small segment of the audience that saw 2009 Trek.

Keep in mind that not every Trekkie in the world comes to, or even knows of, this website. My uncle grew up in the 60’s and is a huge Trekkie, but never visits this website. He didn’t even know it existed until I mentioned it to him.

Of those people that visit this site, as with all blog sites, very few ever take the time to post comments or engage in discussions. So you have to understand that those of us posting represent a very small segment of the general audience going to see these Star Trek movies.

Having said all that…. no one I know that saw 2009 Star Trek ever made one mention of the engineering sets. They just accepted them as is. Including my uncle.

From my personal experience, it seems that only really hard core Trekkies, and even then a percentage of those, had any problem with the engineering sets. This is most likely based on the fact that they have seen every incarnation of Star Trek, unlike most of the people going to see these movies, and they want to compare and criticize JJ’s movies against all that has come before.

107. Jack - January 24, 2012

11. I was a little bummed that Drive and Take Shelter didn’t get anything. Same with a dangerous Method — loved Mortenson’s Freud. Still haven’t seen Shame. And yet that Tom Hanks film (which I haven’t seen) that’s getting lukewarm-to-bad reviews got a bunch.

Nothing for MI:4, am I right? Read the list early this morning and have forgotten. Too bad. It’s still oneof my favourite films of the year. Transformers (which I’d already forgotten about) got a nom, I think. That was Bad Robot, right?

Would have liked to have seen Karl Urban get a supporting actor nom for Trek ’09. It was a darned enjoyable performance, what there was of it.

108. SirBroiler - January 24, 2012

Khan is definitely “in” the movie, but he’s a corpse – victim of a malfunction in his cryogenic sleeping chamber. When they awaken the crew of the S.S. Botany Bay – Joachim is the default the new leader of the group and he will be played by Cumberbatch

Hopefully that satisfies all the people who don’t want another Khan story.

But who knows really? But let’s send it to IMDB – they’ll post anything.

No way Cumberbatch is Khan. He’ll never pull it off.

109. Jay - January 24, 2012

#55 I have to say … wow! Really?

It is just so hard to believe that someone would only see that great movie one time because they didn’t like one particular set used in the film. That seems to be a very strange reason to not see a movie again.

I mean if you said you hated the acting, story, etc. then fine. But for what was universally aclaimed as a very good movie – let alone Star Trek movie – to not see it again because you didn’t agree with the choice of one set?

As for suspending disbelief. I don’t get that either. Disbelief in what exactly?

The engineering sets looked very much like real engineering sections of a ship. The scale seemed correct and everything. I never knew what was used until after I saw the movie and found out it was a Bud plant. Maybe that’s why I didn’t mind them. I didn’t know ahead of time that they used a Bud plant for engineering.

Anyway, I’m certain your protest landed on deaf ears as evidenced by the huge success of the film.

We should all understand that our complaints and gripes are not going to make huge differences in how the production crew makes this movie. They have a ton of proof that what they did before was a big success and they should stick with it.

110. Jack - January 24, 2012

PS. Ensign Spyke? Did they run out of names? Or is itfrom the Trek generic Riker/Kirk/Pike/Decker-manly-generic-WASP-name generator? A whole planet of names to choose from and we get McKennas, Olsens and Spykes.

111. Jay - January 24, 2012

#75 I agree completely. I’ve been saying the same thing all along.

I expect much more creativity and originality from this production crew/writers than to rehash Khan.

112. Holly - January 24, 2012

@105 He’s not started filming the Hobbit yet and thats being filmed in New Zealand.

Not sure why people dont want to believe Danny Boyle the director. Cumberbatch is filming in Canada.

113. Pensive's Wetness - January 24, 2012

@12 and other lovely peps: wow, just how do you get banned -here-?

LOL i actually like that idea that Khan bites and Joachim is the leader…

@106 +1 in agreement. Beer Plant with new panels FTW…

114. Thomas - January 24, 2012

46. Keachick

As someone who lives in Southern California, I can tell you there aren’t many places around here that could be considered jungle-like. About the only place that springs to mind is the Los Angeles Arboretum, which was famously used on the TV show Fantasy Island.

115. Red Dead Ryan - January 24, 2012

Benedict Cumberbatch would obviously be filming some other movie up here in Canada because “Star Trek” is going to be filmed in California, and “The Hobbit” is being shot in New Zealand.

116. Jay - January 24, 2012

#115 Well, not every location has been confirmed for Star Trek. It’s just rumors.

It’s not like JJ put out a press release and said, “Here are all the locations we are filming Star Trek at.”

So it is quite possible they are filming some part in Canada.

117. "Check the Circuit!" - January 24, 2012

If you took away all the “no Khan,” “no Budgineering,” and “no lense flairs,” comments on this site, they could run it on much smaller servers.

118. Chris H. - January 24, 2012

Good grief.

It’s NOT Khan. If anyone wants to bet me, let’s find a way to exchange contact information. I’ll bet all comers $100.00 apiece that Khan is not in it.

Look at it from the production team’s perspective. If they try and re-tell Khan, what’s the upside? (A) They do a great job, but mixed in with any compliments they get will be remarks about how they had great source material, or (B) they do a so-so job and get criticized for it, or (C) they do a poor job and get lynched for sullying a classic.

It’s a no-win scenario, if you will. And why would WE, as fans, want it? What’s OUR upside? That they might make a better movie than Space Seed or Wrath of Khan? Two of the best all-time Trek stories? Really?

It’s not Sybok either, but at least with ST5 you’re trying to re-tell something that was crap the first time around.

And the idea that Cumberbatch would be Khan is insane on the face of it. Has anyone actually looked at a picture of him? Other than being a human male, he has nothing in common with Ricardo Montalbon — or the Indian Sikh, Khan Noonien Singh — at all.

119. AJ - January 24, 2012

Hey! Anyone remember this article from October 2010?

It’s called ‘Scoop! No Khan In STAR TREK 2. So Who Will Kirk & Co. Face?’ from Badass Digest, and was mentioned on this site. Has it been debunked?

120. Aurore - January 24, 2012

“It’s NOT Khan.”

I made a similar statement, some time agO.

121. Chris H. - January 24, 2012

Since no official script details have been released, then no, it hasn’t been debunked. But as far as I know it was never confirmed by another source, either, and given the age of that article (i.e. before the script was written), I’m dubious.

122. AJ - January 24, 2012

On the basis of that article maybe they’ll make a fine godlike Gary Mitchell out of BC, and de-accent him (a la Alan Rickman in Die Hard).

123. Jefferies Tuber - January 24, 2012

No Khan Do.

124. Kenneth Of Borg - January 24, 2012

Where did the background casting go? On the last film they used Hollywood OS to fill the hall with cadets. Even if they are not working with that size cast this time there must be some nonunion walking around. I have not seen anything obvious on Hollywood OS or Central Casting.

125. Red Dead Ryan - January 24, 2012


It’s pretty clear, though, that J.J Abrams is going to keep the filming in-state, and most likely in Southern California since that is obviously where the sets are located. Not many filmmakers go long distances just to film a couple of scenes only to head back to L.A to film on sets. Just doesn’t make sense to do that. It would be too expensive as well, and the actors/writers/producers/director are also scheduled for other projects.

126. Trekker5 - January 24, 2012

#82,Hi Aurore!! :) How are you? How is France these days? Cold,rainy? Tennessee,well,my part of Tennessee anyway,is 60 and sunny today;by Sunday,snow!! It’s wild around here!!

127. n1701ncc - January 24, 2012

Hey Bob Orci do you really read this stuff or do you like playing us fans. I am sure whatever you and JJ do will be great and maybe this time worthy of statue.

Bored on a Star Trek set now thats hard to believe. For us fans we would never be bored.

Bob how about one small favor…every week a small hint or tidbit given on this site as to what the movie will be about. It would be fun to see what the fans come up with.

128. Christopher Roberts - January 24, 2012

Scott Bakula                                                …         Admiral Archer  (rumored)

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129. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 24, 2012

A lot of work is done in Canada now – it has the landscape and scenery, so it is possible that Cumberbatch is in Canada doing some scenes for Star Trek. Perhaps that is also where some of the other cast are now as well. Filming locations are also kept secret. I also think that Bad Robot like to leak a few red herrings on occasion… Bob could be posting to this site from anywhere, even from here downunder…:)

130. Lt. Bailey - January 24, 2012

With the exception of Dodger Stadium, all they did was list places they used before. Makes no sense unless they plan on revising the first film in some way. My guess is that it is a lot of mis-direction so the fans will not show up at the real locations by either accident or by design.

131. FarStrider - January 24, 2012

@130. They used Dodger Stadium in Star Trek 09. It was where they shot the the space jump/fight on the platform and the run from the snow monster scenes. . .


132. Travis - January 24, 2012

@ 128: Yes ive been hearing that rumor not only for Scott Bakula but also Jolene Blalock ( T’Pol ) as well. From what i understand President/Admiral Archer and T’Pol get to take a tour of the new Enterprise NCC-1701 and meeting Captain Kirk and Spock.

From day one i have been saying KHAN…. Hes the only villian that puts people in seats in a theater. It worked beyond everyone’s dreams in 1982 and it will work in 2013. Think about how Christopher Nolan decided to bring back The Joker in the Dark Knight film… Nobody wanted to see the joker but Nolan’s Joker took over greatly and produced. JJ Abrams in my view wants to do the same thing but he cant do it with Klingons because they have been used too much… Hes wants the best villian in Star Trek to go toe-to-toe with Captain James T. Kirk and that is KHAN.

133. orly - January 24, 2012

Danny Boyle has confirmed to a room full of people today that Cumberbatch is currently filming in Canada. I find it hilarious that you are all refusing to believe this as a Star Trek clue. Go check the whatsonstage website tweets.

134. AJ - January 24, 2012

Considering that Cumberbatch is only recently hired, I would think,due to the time required to apply for and receive a work permit for Canada, that he is there on other prior-arranged business. Unless they are waived for citizens of the Commonwealth.

135. Anthony Pascale - January 24, 2012

I havent heard anything about Canada. I know that the main production is currently here in LA. There may be some second unit stuff, but then that shouldn’t include a main actor like Cumberbatch. For now I assume Boyle is wrong, but i will look into it

136. The TOS Purist aka The Purolator - January 24, 2012

They’re still filming in the brewery, despite the universal hatred and loathing for their ridiculous idea of using that blasted brewery as Engineering? These guys are dumber than I thought.

137. section9 - January 24, 2012

5. MJ – January 23, 2012

“There is also the alien jungle location which will be shot somewhere in southern California.”

East LA?

No. Reseda.

138. Lee - January 24, 2012

What, no Senator Vreenak?! It’s tragic to see the old traditions disregarded. . .

139. Kenneth Of Borg - January 24, 2012

Disneyland Jungle Cruise

140. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 24, 2012

Who says that Khan is the only villain who will put people in seats? I think that is nonsense. Kirk went toe-to-toe with other villains in TOS, one being the Romulan commander played by the late Mark Lenard. That episode was better than Space Seed. This obsession with Khan is over the top.

Here’s the thing for me. Before I came on the internet, I never gave much thought to Khan. We have a videotape of the Wrath of Khan recorded off the television and occasionally someone (usually Luke, the trekkie son) would say, “Let’s watch Wrath of Khan. Haven’t seen that in a while.” so I and my son would watch and say, “Yeah. That’s a cool movie. Forgot how good it was…”. Maybe we would watch it a few more times and then move on to something else, maybe another Star Trek, maybe not.

Now, because I am constantly reading the name “Khan” and all the too and fro-ing with the possible notion of JJ Abrams and co. doing their own iteration of the Khan character (Space Seed era), I am so sick of everything to do with who was basically a crazy nobody/dickhead Khan they found on the Botany Bay.

Any new iteration of the Khan character that possibly JJ and co might bring to this alternate Star Trek universe has been spoiled by the constant obsessional yabber. To coin a phrase used – Please, everybody – Shut the f*ck up about Khan!

Whether Khan is in the sequel or not, it is already a done deal. Paramount signed off on the idea/story line in February 2011, so what we get is what we get, with some possible minor variations. Therefore, give the character Khan a rest, so that if he does appear in the next movie, he’ll feel “fresh” and if he isn’t, then most here won’t look like jackasses for going on about this Khan character so much. So many fun killers here.

It would be really good if, Anthony Pascale, you were able to ban the Khan word from this site… until 17 May 2013! Thank you. That would be just so cool.

141. Anthony Pascale - January 24, 2012

Vreenak was not needed in these cases. These were more issues of bad intel. Vreenak susses out cases of people perpetuating false rumors with intent. He can smell a true FAAAAAAAAAAKE.

142. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 24, 2012

#136 – “Universal hatred and loathing…:” Really? Speak for yourself. Oh and btw – you are not the universe…

143. the Quickening - January 24, 2012


Possible. I read somewhere he could be Khan’s genetic brother, too.

144. AJ - January 24, 2012

The only reasons to film in Canada would be:

1. It’s cold
1b. Natural snowy vistas
2. A moose
2b. A moose once bit my sister

The typical ‘use Calgary or Vancouver as cheaper substitutes for NYC/Boston/Metropolis etc.’ reasons do not apply unless they have to be cold and icy specifically. It’s January.

No jungles, either.

145. Vultan - January 24, 2012

Benedict Cumberbatch as Khan Singh would be the biggest casting stretch since John Wayne played Genghis Khan!

146. Hugh Hoyland - January 24, 2012

If it aint Khan I’ll eat my hat! (which is made of chocolate).

147. Jeyl - January 24, 2012

In the words of Tom Servo…

“Hahaha! Good, good. Back to the rusting sceptic system of this FUTURISTIC SPACE SHIP!”

148. Ted C - January 24, 2012


149. dmduncan - January 24, 2012

26. boborci – January 24, 2012

Wonderful for you, and good vicarious living for us too! So Peter Weller was the right man for the job.

150. Anthony Thompson - January 24, 2012

7. Matthew M

Matthew, we hardly knew ye…(well, I guess we knew you enough). : )

151. Anthony Thompson - January 24, 2012

Anthony P, I think you let drop some info not previously seen here. That is, Bud is back! : ( Perhaps “improved”, as Bob said, but still not the awesome set it could and should be if Ryan Church’s plans (as seen in the “Art of” book) were followed.

152. Anthony Thompson - January 24, 2012

Every motion picture ad campaign these days follows the title with a tag line. Perhaps Trek 2’s tag will be: “This Bud’s for you!”. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr.

153. No Khan - January 24, 2012

Because there’s no out right denial. I bet were getting a Khan cameo in this movie.

154. dmduncan - January 24, 2012

146. Hugh Hoyland – January 24, 2012

If it aint Khan I’ll eat my hat! (which is made of chocolate).


I hope it’s milk chocolate.

155. Shaun - January 24, 2012

#26: “We couldnt believe how smart, how funny, how warm, and how talented Mr.Weller was. One of the best days, proffessionally, of my life.”

the benefit of hiring educated folks, eh? i love watching him on the history channel! like mr. weller, i became educated as an adult. i have a great deal of respect for anyone who goes back to school.

156. Chris H. - January 24, 2012

#132: Hmm, where to start with how wrong you are?

First, Khan did not put butts in the seats. TREK did. Shatner and Nimoy did. The rumors of Spock dying did, big time.

Next…nobody wanted to see the Joker? Are you kidding me? Batman’s #1 villain? It was a mortal lock that he’d get used.

He can’t use the Klingons because they’ve been used too much? What? The last movie to use Klingons in a significant way was…what, Star Trek VI? (The TV series don’t count; the vast majority of movie-goers have never heard of the Dominion War, trust me.)

Seriously, if Khan has so much as a cameo, $100 in your pocket. But if not, $100 in mine. I’m sure we can work out a way to exchange contact information.

157. Chris H. - January 24, 2012

#153: there’s been no outright denial of ANYTHING. There’s been no outright denial of the story about Gary Mitchell; do you think he’s showing up too?

I hereby predict there will be naked lesbian Orion slave girls in the next movie. Since there has not been — and, I’m sure, will not be — an outright denial of this, you can therefore take it to the bank.

158. Trekboi - January 24, 2012

# 49. Werbwolf

Love it!

159. Phil - January 24, 2012

@104. They don’t announce the boring awards at the news conference….

160. Phil - January 24, 2012

@136. Hey, I have no issues with the look of engineering. Several others agree. I doubt the casual fan even cares. You live in a small universe, buddy, if a movie set stirs that much hatred in you.

161. spooky - January 24, 2012

People are still hung up on Khan and Klingons, jesus! If that is the case, then there is really no purpose to this reboot because it would just be a greatest hits remake.

162. Travis - January 24, 2012

@140: KEACHICK: As with other star Trek fans we do respect you opinion on this topic but lets make one thing clear sir… First of all wether or not you Like Khan or dislike him you will see him in this Alternate Universe, Even JJ Abrams who did a Interview for MTV in 2010 said most likely Kirk and Khan will meet in this new Universe. Lets take a history lesson on Time Travel shall we… Make sure you buckle your seat belt for this one.. LMAO. 1st: Khan was born on Earth in the mid 20th Century, He left earth on a sleeper ship named Botany Bay in the year 1996 being frozen in animation. When Nero traveled thru time back into the year 2233 ( mid 23rd century ) Forward on was changed… Not the past. Not Archer, Not the Enterprise NX-01, Not Voyager 6 ( V’Ger ), not KHAN… hence why Kirk will find the Botany Bay, Kirk will wake KHAN… and here we go again. Anything… and i mean ANYTHING that happened before Nero’s arrival will stay the same, Which means sir you will see Khan in the sequel. Thats how Time Travel and the effects of Temperal Mechinics operate.

Now lets go to The Wrath of Khan. To this day The Wrath of Khan is the only film that put Star Trek back on the map after Star Trek 1’s disappointing performace. Till this day in SciFi Villians… Behind Darth Vader as number 2 is KHAN… Where are the Klingons?, Where is that Romulan Commander??… They never made the list!!!… Like i said sir… KHAN puts people in the seats in theater and so will your ASS be planted in a seat… Enough Said :)

163. Craiger - January 24, 2012

I wonder if they are now thinking oh no why did we choose Khan and are trying to keep it a secret. Unless all the fan bickering about blowing up Vulcan and messing with the timeline made them think forget the fans and they will just do what they want to do because the general audience gets more money then the Trek fan base? Allthough Orci and Kurtzman are Trek fans.

164. Craiger - January 24, 2012

If Khan is the bad guy.

165. Hat Rick - January 24, 2012

Did someone mention a museum? They’re shooting in a museum?

Hopefully, it won’t be a “museum piece.” (Rimshot!)

Man, I’m so excited already about this next movie, I want to go see it right now. And then again and again.

And they haven’t even finished principal photography. (They’ve just started it).

In my imagination, I’ve already seen ST (2013) and it is mind-blowing. I’m already anticipating the *second* sequel. Yes, I realize that sounds crazy. But if that’s crazy, I don’t wanna be sane.

166. Walter Kozlowski - January 24, 2012

Yes all before Nero’s arrival is the same past! But after, set in motion an Alternate Time-line! So events in this time-line most likely would take a different course! Enterprise coming across the Botany Bay doesn’t have to take place at all! I Give Bob and the others credit for respecting the Trek we new and loved, yet at the same time will give us fresh stories not limited repeat of events!

167. Craiger - January 24, 2012

#166 Good point. I think alot of fans forget this is a new timeline and they can now do whatever they want with it but respected the old one.

168. Andy Patterson - January 24, 2012

Off subject I know but ,”DANGER,DANGER WILL ROBINSON!! ”

Dick Tufeld, voice of the robot from Lost in Space dead today. RIP.

This is a site that some might appreciate this.

169. Radioactive Spock - January 24, 2012

144. lol. Nice Monty Python reference there.

I would seriously love to see some behind the scenes footage with Trek staff and Trek 2 stars, Weller, Cumberbatch, Eve, etc. Not sure why just yet but this seems to be an exceptional group. Something about it clicks in a great way with me so far.

170. Phil - January 24, 2012

@162. Plenty of people have posted very valid reasons why just remaking the TOS movies with a new crew is a horrifingly bad idea…and I agree with them. If Khan is out there…let someone else find him. New actors, new adventures, if I want to see WOK that bad, it’s on Netflix. No need to remake this.

News flash – ST:TMP was the best performing of the Trek movies until Trek09. Like it or not, when it comes to SciFi villians there is Darth Vader, and everyone else. Walk up to any random and ask who Khan is, and you will hear “Gengis” before “Wrath of” nine time out of ten. The production team seems to know that they need to build on the success of the last movie, which, at least to me means they will not be remaking TWOK now or anytime in the near future.

Oh, and I’m sure you will be hearing from the LADY in New Zealand sometime soon….cheers!

171. Anthony Thompson - January 24, 2012

170. Phil

As I’ve stated previously, you can’t have WOK without ‘Space Seed’ preceding it, regardless. By at least a decade for it to have any resonance whatsoever. That’s why any talk of Khan is pointless.

172. TrekkerChick - January 24, 2012

@157 Not ‘edgy’ enough. They’re going for something that will get a Best Pic nomination… Maybe something with Leonardo diCaprio standing on the primary hull screaming “I’m the King of the Univers-s-s-s-s-s-se!!!” and a plot device about a valuable blue dilithium crystal.

@168. That bites. I remember that, when I was in elementary school and LiS was I production (hey…many Irwin Allen shows in that time period), a lot of the kids – was friends withthought that the Robot was the only cool thing about LiS.

Wait.. The Robot is still the only cool thing about LiS. “Ohhh, the pain!”

173. Red Dead Ryan - January 24, 2012

Again, the “Star Trek” sequel will be filming exclusively in California. That is where all of the indoor sets are built.

If they were going to film it in Canada, New Zealand, or Tunisia, then sets would have been built in whichever one of those locations the film was going to be shot in.

The “James Bond” and “Star Wars” movies are the exception. The “James Bond” movies are cheaper to produce than “Star Trek” and “Star Wars” was paid for and made by George Lucas.

And oh yeah, Khan in the sequel.

174. TrekkerChick - January 24, 2012

@139 Close. Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse. The crew is going to visit the Forest moon of Endor… Just sayin’…

175. Captain Hackett - January 24, 2012

Anthony Pascale,

Can you please confirm that Tom Archdeacon is cast as Ensign Spyke?

Thanks in advance!

176. Phil - January 24, 2012

@171. I agree, but the folks who are adamant that Khan is in the movie will probably argue that the events around “Space Seed” occured offscreen somewhere….which again makes for a horrifyingly bad movie…….

177. Sebastian S. - January 24, 2012

Just saw Benedict Cumberbatch over the weekend in “War Horse”; he had a relatively small but significant role and he was excellent (as usual). I very much love his Sherlock on the BBC reimagined series.

The Budweiser plant is back as engineering. That’s a tad disappointing. Hopefully they can extend it digitally with more CGI set extensions and try to make it look more futuristic. As it was? It looked like… a brewery.

Wish Bob Orci and the team well. With this dream cast of Weller, Alice Eve, Cumberbatch, Bruce Greenwood (Pike is back! Yay!) and even Dr Who’s “Mickey” (Noel Clarke), it looks like ST 2.0 is shaping up to be a winner. ;-)

178. Daoud - January 24, 2012

I don’t think The Guardian would put a false statement in an article, do you?

Cumberbatch is filming some part of Star Trek 2013 in Canada, according to them also:

179. VZX - January 24, 2012

168. Aw, man. That’s a bummer.

Lost in Space was cheesey, but it had its place. The Robot was classic.

180. Aurore - January 25, 2012

..Do you remember when Harry Plinkett said, and, I’m paraphrasing; “They are REMAKING Star Trek, not making ANOTHER Star Trek ( movie )”?



P.S. : Mr. Plinkett listed some of the things the general public is aware of (according to him) when it comes to Star Trek.

He made no mention of Khan. An… oversight?….Perhaps.
I cannot say, for sure . Only a true fan could answer such a query.

( “What could be next “, according to Harry S. Plinkett, is in part II and starts at 34:58 ).

181. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 25, 2012

#173 – Maybe all the indoor sets, especially those of the Enterprise, would be contained within the Sony studio buildings right now, but as with Star Trek 09, there is probably going to be outdoor filming as well. Of all the places outside the USA, I would think that Canada would be the easiest country to organise film crews and get set up. As I said, lots of US television and movies get filmed in Canada. I’m sure getting the appropriate documentation that allows US and/or British citizens to work there was already sorted out by the Paramount/Bad Robot administration. Besides, there are special reciprocal immigration/work permit agreements between countries that have been put in place since they started making the LOTR here in NZ.

BTW, I was only joking about Bob Orci being downunder…:)

182. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 25, 2012

#162 – Re-read what I actually wrote on post #140. What you are saying is irrelevant. I have never disputed the possibility of Kirk and the Enterprise meeting Khan and the Botany Bay in this new timeline. It is just as possible as anything else. What the Space Seed episode told is also irrelevant to what I was saying.

Khan only appeared in one of the 11 Star Trek and died at the end of that movie. So what was it that puts bums on seats for the other Star Trek movies, especially Star Trek’s IV or VI? Certainly not Khan.

I repeat –

“Any new iteration of the Khan character that possibly JJ and co might bring to this alternate Star Trek universe has been spoiled by the constant obsessional yabber. To coin a phrase used – Please, everybody – Shut the f*ck up about Khan!

Whether Khan is in the sequel or not, it is already a done deal. Paramount signed off on the idea/story line in February 2011, so what we get is what we get, with some possible minor variations. Therefore, give the character Khan a rest, so that if he does appear in the next movie, he’ll feel “fresh” and if he isn’t, then most here won’t look like jackasses for going on about this Khan character so much. So many fun killers here.”

183. Treklife - January 25, 2012

Hello everyone, this is somewhat off-topic, but something that just occurred to me. Regarding the character played by Alice Eve (who will NOT be Carol Marcus) which has been stated to be “A character new to canon”. My thought was that this could mean that she is not some completely new character, and much like the inclusion of the name of Kirk’s mother, Uhura’s first name, and Amanda’s last name, could be something pulled from one of the Star Trek novels. Since none of the novels have ever been “canon” then if she played a character from a novel it would be “new to canon”. It’s just a though, what do you say Bob?

184. Aurore - January 25, 2012

126. Olivia.

France is rainy *AND* somewhat cold, these days.
But, I am not complaining…or… maybe just a little bit……


185. VZX - January 25, 2012

184: Aurore. You live in France? I didn’t know that there was such a thing as a French Star Trek fan.

Honestly, I hear that the French consider Trek a less sophisticated show aimed at the lowest common denominator. That’s why it never performs well there. Or, am I way off?

186. Hugh Hoyland - January 25, 2012

154 dmduncan

Oh yeahhh, milk chocolate is the best IMO!

187. Daoud - January 25, 2012

Cumberbatch as STONN? Contractor as T’PRING? Using certain filmic parts between Banff, Alberta and Lake Louise as snowy, mountainous Vulcan-system Delta Vega, where many off-world Vulcans have gathered?
I’m starting to think that “THE WRATH OF STONN” is at hand….
And, if boborci’s around, for future physics reference… have a retcon for Delta Vega from physicsland: when ships warp in and out of systems, gravitational effects of rapid velocity changes theoretically could be simplified if a large planetoid were used as an exchange mechanism, in the same manner Jupiter is used to boost the orbits of the Pioneer and Voyager and the like, or send them outward. The same effect in the other direction slows. So a “delta vega” could be a “change (i.e. delta) in VElocity, Gravitationally Assisted”. So many systems would have a Delta Vega in them.

188. Aurore - January 25, 2012

“Or, am I way off? ”

Hi, VZX.

I’m afraid you are not.

However, I must admit that I only became aware of this fact after I started surfing the internet in search of information regarding Star Trek : The Future Begins.

Up until then, I had assumed that…… *everyone* loved Star Trek ( The Original Series ).


Recently, I even learned, amongst other facts, that, the French dubbed version I discovered in the eighties was made in……….Quebec ( Montréal ), at the end of the sixties.
Since, apparently, no French network was interested in airing the series, at the time.

189. Admiral Archer's Prize Beagle - January 25, 2012


Yes, I was thinking along these lines as well.

Mr. Cumberbatch would make a wonderful Stonn.


Here is an excerpt from my earlier post #594 about that @

#594 Excerpt:

…Spock may very well already be betrothed to another in this Alternate U as well.
If so, how does this affect Uhrura?
T’Pring may have survived the destruction of Vulcan.
And this time Stonn may be out of the picture.

“Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned…”


Here is one way I was thinking it might play out:


1. Unexpected attempt made to harm Uhura

2. Discovery of the following:
a. T’Pring survived extermination of Vulcan
b. Spock was promised to T’Pring as a child.
c. Stonn has not survived the extermination of Vulcan.
d. T’Pring wants Spock.
e. T’Pring appears to be a “conniver” in this Universe too.

3. Uhura does not take the news of Spock’s pre-arranged marriage well.

4. Spock is “compromised” in his ability to deal with this because he is experiencing pon far.

5. Conflict occurs between Uhura and T’Pring and Spock with Kirk and crew caught in the middle while also dealing with another pressing plotline that requires them to disobey direct command orders by Pike.

6. The twist: Stonn actually did manage to survive after all…

One problem with this scenario would be that it would seemingly require less of Stonn on screen, which would be a let down for those of us who admire Mr. Cumberbatch’s work.

Having said all that, I’m still thinking the various castings are also a good fit for a “Conscience of the King” (with Mr. Cumberbatch portraying “Anton Karidian”), as suggested by John from Cincinnati #112 @

On a related note:


Any more word if Tom Archdeacon is confirmed as Ensign Spyke? Still thinking he would make a great Kevin Riley…

190. Pro-Khan-Sel - January 25, 2012

Again, I think my earlier prediction was right. This post will probably be auto-deleted like earlier ones. All because I didn’t like the “Adult” angle star trek took a couple years ago.

191. Phil - January 25, 2012

Man, I feel sick. Really, really sick. Real, gut wrenching, projectile vomiting nausea.. Food poisioning would feel better then reading some of these assumed story outlines…….and my eyes are starting to bleed, too.

192. VZX - January 25, 2012

190. Really? Chill out, dude. It’s only a movie.

193. VZX - January 25, 2012

188. Aurore.

Bummer. Well, we’re glad you are here to represent. I know that there are a few open-minded French folk. Heck, my favoirite author of all time is Jules Verne.

194. VZX - January 25, 2012

187 I like your thoughts on ret-conning the “Delta Vega” designation as generic term for any object that can offer a gravitational speed burst. But how would you explain Spock Prime being able to witness the destruction of Vulcan as depicted in the film? I think it was Abrams or Orci who stated it was “artistic license” shown for dramatic effect, which I’m totally cool with. AND it was shown during a mind-meld: a more dream-like experience where realty has to make room for emotional interpertation of events.

That said, a person could never see a planet blown up like that from another planet in another solar system, nor a planet in the same system. If Delta Vega was a moon of Vulcan, then it would have suffered from the gravitational cluster**** when Vulcan turned into a black hole. I would have Spock watch it on a monitor or something. Holographic imager, perhaps? Ehh, not a big deal.

Wow I ramble. Sorry. Oh yeah, I agree with the chance of a Cumberbatch Stonn.

195. Treklife - January 25, 2012

190. Star Trek was always written for adults. What specific “angle” are you talking about? The fact that Uhura and her roommate were seen in their underwear? Please, back in the 60s Star Trek was known for pushing the boundaries of sexuality on TV farther than any other TV series ever before made (among other things), and faced many protests for it. Lets face it, on sitcoms made just a few short years earlier “parents” couldn’t even be filmed sharing a bed (first ones to do so were Ozzie and Harriet, who were only allowed to do so because they were actually married), hence all the twin beds in those old TV shows. You should really learn your history a bit better before you go complaining about stuff. To sum up then, you are completely entitled to your wrong opinion, bye now.

196. Jefferies Tuber - January 25, 2012

191. Phil – For you: what if Weller is Khan, thawed early, and Cumberpatch is Joachim? But we meet them as the noble colonists in a conflict with the Klingons? xx

197. Jefferies Tuber - January 25, 2012

I maintain that they can’t just walk away from the destruction of Vulcan, and that the Katric Arc scene in ST09 is like the “Remember.” line in STIII–a big easter egg for a future story that saves what was lost.

The Vulcans were driven from their homeland. Vulcans are now vastly outnumbered by their ethnically identical, but culturally distinct brethren the Romulans. Vulcans are now almost entirely dependent on their junior spinoff society–the Humans and their Federation.

Vulcans are now Jews. The metaphor is unavoidable.

198. Spock/Uhura Fan - January 25, 2012

@ #180 Aurore

Mr. Plinkett is funny, but I think he did a fair job. I too really liked ST TMP, but I wouldn’t trade ST 09 (and Spock/Uhura) for it, not at all. :-)

@# 189 Admiral Archer’s Prize Beagle

I am very glad that that’s unlikely. I don’t see why Spock needs to still be engaged in this timeline (if he was engaged in the first place) at all. My guess would be that as soon as he was interested in dating Uhura, he would have broken off his engagement to T’Pring. Seems logical to me. :-)

199. Daoud - January 25, 2012

I think T’Pring was with Stonn all along in both universes. Since Spock didn’t go through pon farr when he was younger, he may have thought his human genes might prevent it. As he became still older, and the Vulcan genes started to increase, we got the unexpected pon farr of Amok Time.
Spock was a Pon Farr Virgin, no?
Adm Archer Beagle… I’m just thinking Stonn, I’m not writing a story…
I looked at Lawrence Montaigne’s picture in makeup as Stonn at:
and can’t help but think about Cumberbatch with black short hair as he was seen with…. and gosh he looks so similar. Spooky! Or… Spocky!

200. Jefferies Tuber - January 25, 2012

Re the Katric Arc: my point is that the scene creates a pretense for any Vulcan in history to be reborn or downloaded. Spock touched his mother’s hand before she disappeared. Any of the Vulcans or Humans present at the Arc’s destruction could have every/any soul since Surak in their corporeal vessel… just like McCoy held Spock until his clone was ready. Any one of the Vulcans present could have opposing ideas of what to do with his Katras vis-a-vis Romulus, cloning, etc. Logic can justify ANYTHING after ST09.

201. Jack - January 25, 2012

191. lol.

Er, no offense anybody?

I really, really hope there’s no love triangle. The problems of three people don’t amount to… etc.

I’m also worried by a quote from Orci (read it somewhere) that they’re listening to the fans and their calls for allegory and current events based stories. And also that he’d been reading The Mote in God’s Eye.

The last time we were told they were listening to the fans, trying to do a (hamfisted worst-of-) TOS-style allegory/message story, trying to deliver a more traditionally sci-fi tale of a conflict between two alien cultures and shooting for more character “moments” we got… Insurrection.

Roddenberry used to talk, years later, about how he snuck current events past the network in that episode he wrote with the Mugatu, which certainly wasn’t Trek’s finest hour. What was the point of it? What was the message?

I’m also hoping that they don’t recycle TOS mainstays like The Planet That’s The Only Source of… (fictional element thath will save billions), or The Beautiful Daughter/Wife/Second-in-Command To the Planet’s Leader and/or The Villain, or the Brilliant. Misguided,, Charismatic Madman/Cult Leader/Scientist. Also afraid of The Deserted Ship/Whe Did Their Crew Go?

I’m also afraid of it being Avatar II. man, I live in fear.

But, Transporters II aside (yes, I know, it made a killing) I have faith in Bad Robot. MI:4 was good. Fringe is mostly good. The first 2.5 seasons of Lost were good. Trek ’09 was good.

I really hope these guys forget homages and Easter eggs and focus pn a great story they believe in. The best Trek (Where No Man Has Gone Before, The Menagerie, Balance of Terror, Wrath of Khan, Devil in the Dark, The Undiscovered Country) told a hell of a story, and didn’t seem to be geared to fans or trying to do more of what worked before.

There’s a reason why Trek’s follow-ups to fan-loved successes (follow-ups like the third season, TMP and most of the odd-numbered films that each follow a success, the first season of TNG, Voyager, Nemesis etc.) don’t work. Some of it’s that “we can do no wrong!” and part is because they try to reduce Trek to a formula and give ’em more of it. They think they’ve figured out what makes Trek great, rather than just looking at the very general ideas that made Trek work (a future where we’re not standing miserably around burning garbage cans but where an international crew works together, Horatio Hornblower in Outer Space etc.) but still focusing on a great, tight story.

In some ways, this next film could be the odd-numbered Trek (Insurrection and Nemesis were 2 odd-number-cursed movies in a row). Trek ’09 was a hit, and now I hope they don’t overanalyse and make the next movie a by-committee Trek follow-up flick.

202. Daoud - January 25, 2012

My only other crazy thought was that M’BENGA is probably a better guess than BOMA for the family man that Noel Clarke portrays. I rather like the idea of M’Benga working with the Vulcans as a doctor, married to T’Pring, with a child. If Sarek could have married Amanda Grayson 30 years previous, who’s to say M’Benga couldn’t?

203. Daoud - January 25, 2012

Benedict isn’t afraid of prosthetics, by the way. Viz. him as Frankenstein’s monster on stage:

204. Phil - January 25, 2012

@196. Well, you need to ask yourself what made TWOK work? Outstanding performance by Ricardo Montalban? The tactical back and forth between Kirk and Khan? Spock dying? If you are not remaking that movie, thenwhy do you need Khan playing any other role? The casual fan won’t care, and the Trek purist will just end up venting all over pages like this that the new character does not meet up to the origional. I bet Katee Sackhoff still gets gets hate mail from fans of the first BSG….

205. Anthony Pascale - January 25, 2012

Tone it down Phil

206. Anthony Pascale - January 25, 2012

Also I have confirmed Star Trek isn’t filming in Canada. It is possible BC is up there for some other reason, or maybe they just got it wrong. So Canadians, stand down on your Cumberbatch Trek watch.

207. Montreal_Paul - January 25, 2012

Damn, I have been scouring the streets of Montreal looking for BC!! All that wasted time! ; )

208. Phil - January 25, 2012

@206. I’m assuming you are referencing 191. Understood….

209. Let Them Eat Plomeek Soup - January 25, 2012

I can’t see Cumberbatch as Khan. I mean, he’s a pale British man as opposed to a very tanned Indian man. No offense to him–I might as well add that thanks to this website I fell in love with “Sherlock” on Netflix.

210. Azrael - January 25, 2012

Re: Khan casting. Please understand that this will be my only comment about Khan.

I disagree with those who think that any new actor cast to play Khan must be of a certain ethnicity. Khan is a product of genetic engineering and as such his name and his (apparent) ethnicity do not have to be connected in any way at all IMHO.

There, all done, that didn’t hurt too bad did it?

211. FarStrider - January 25, 2012

@197 What if the Vulcans are the Palestinians?


212. Phil - January 25, 2012

@211. You might have an arguement for Armenians or Kurds. Not so much Palestinians….

213. Adolescent Nightmare - January 25, 2012


And this will not be the first case of reverse colorblind casting.

214. Aurore - January 25, 2012


“I know that there are a few open-minded French folk.”

…………Yeah. Thanks.


I’m glad you’re here to represent.
I know there are a few open-minded American folks…too.

215. Pro-Khan-Sel - January 25, 2012

no, no, no…It was about the X-rated trek article that was discussed here a couple years ago. I didn’t want to just say it and then get auto-deleted.

216. AJ - January 25, 2012

The obsession here with Khan is driving me bonkers.

Even after JJ confirmed with Del Toro he was not casting Khan for the film, people here are now speculating that a decidedly pale British actor will be cast as a Sikh superman previously played by a dark-skinned Mexican.

While I pin the blame on Abrams for his lame PR abilities and boys-club, tree house codes of secrecy, that IS practically the ONLY thing he has said to date about the film.

Was he lying?

217. Dee - lvs moon' surface - January 25, 2012

Zachary Quinto talked about his eyebrows shaved and Spock’s hair…


:-) :-)

218. Phil - January 25, 2012

@215. I doubt it….

219. Spock/Uhura Fan - January 25, 2012

@#216 Dee

THANK YOU FOR THIS!!! Now the only thing missing are some updated pictures. And I love the haircut, but I can understand why he might think it’s “horrible”. People probably take one look at it with the brows and then the Vulcan signs and ‘live long and prosper’ comments come in a flood. :-)

Off to go picture hunting now… ;-)

220. Spock/Uhura Fan - January 25, 2012

Of course no such luck on finding new Spock pictures, but here’s a really nice picture of Zachary and JJ just a few days ago at the Producer’s Guid Awards. :-)

221. Jack - January 25, 2012

The speculation is driving me a little nuts, just sayin’… But, to each his own. I guess you guys are excited too.

But, come on, why does the guy have to be one of the handful of black characters Trek has seen (and, yep, as I keep harping, TOS was way better at casting multiple races than TNG or Trek ’09)? Can’t he be somebody else? Somebody new?

Why does a blonde have to be Chapel or Marcus? Can’t we get some freshness here. Will the next bald guy cast be the grandpa of J.L. Picard?

Even the unsubstantiated “maybe” “I think” comments on here — like “I think they’re filming in Canada because it’s scenic…”…. well, that’s how rumors get started. And, nobody films in Canada for the scenery alone, they do it because it’s cheaper (or, at least it was when our dollar wasn’t on par with the US dollar). Heck, early in the planning for TNG they were talking about filming it in Canada to save money.

222. Montreal_Paul - January 25, 2012

#220 – Jack

Well said! I agree completely.

223. VZX - January 25, 2012

221. Yeah, I agree with Jack as well. I doubt that the blonde is playing a blonde character.

224. Daoud - January 25, 2012

@221, well a major British paper, The Guardian reported that Cumberbatch wasn’t there to pick up his award, and it was said this was because he was “shooting Star Trek in Canada”. I guess this means maybe they’re over in Ontario, California? Heck, I’m wishing the meeting I have to go to weekend after next were in Ontario, CAnada, rather than Ontario, CAlifornia….
They say that within a 50 mile radius of Vancouver is every alien planet ever seen in a Stargate series though! :) So, it just seems strange that it would be said at an award show that about Cumby.
@223. Alice Eve can play anybody she wants to. =) I would expect she’s on board as someone to catch either Kirk, or McCoy’s eye. Or someone who already had. There’s Dehner, if her not being in the comic was a clue from the boboracle. Could always be someone Kirk had a professional connection with, such as Areel Shaw. I can’t help but think though with Wrath of Khan the key inspiration piece for the Court of how to make a Star Trek movie, that they wouldn’t tell a Carol story at just the right point in prime Kirk’s timeline. I mean, isn’t another boborci statement that made it into Prime Spock’s dialogue about the universe trying to bring everyone to the same points in life and to nearly similar situations?

225. Jack - January 25, 2012

224. Alice Eve can play anybody she wants to.

Agreed! Blonde or otherwise.

Yeah, no, I get that the Canada rumour came from somewhere and wasn’t invented here. I just get crabby, and shouldn’t, about statements/theories getting made here based on conjecture and rumours (like they were filming in Canada for the scenery). Not a big fan of all the speculation as to who these actors will be playing (unless there’s a guessing game I haven’t heard about that’ll get the winner a new BBQ) either. But I shouldn’t be a jerk about it and spoil everyone’s fun — sorry.

Ps. Good to hear from Quinto that the script is evolving. I wonder if the few problems some have griped about in the Trek ’09 script might’ve been solved during filming had there not been a strike.

Just it is evolving and changes can be made, let me put in an order for:

No Khan
No Shatner
More of th Enterprise
No placating the fans
General awesomeness
No clunky moral allegory
Maybe a little skin (these guys are young, let ’em do it now! And, hey, they’ll already be working out like crazy)…

226. Let Them Eat Plomeek Soup - January 25, 2012

Cumberbatch as whatever Lawrence Montaigne could play.

Stonn. Yeeeeeess…

227. Aurore - January 26, 2012

One thing is certain ( to me).

It won’t be Khan Noonien Singh.

I already said it, I know, but, It bears repeating.


228. Max - January 26, 2012

If there’s any truth to the Khan rumors, my guess is that the Botany Bay will feature in the film, Khan will have been killed in some accident or taken into custody by Starfleet — maybe by another ship — and that Cumberbatch will in fact be playing Khan’s second in command, Joachim, as seen here:

229. Christopher Roberts - January 26, 2012

Interesting thoughts about Stonn. Personally I was thinking of an earlier character that TOS actor played.

230. - January 26, 2012

I think if you had a poll as to who we would prefer as a repeat character out of Khan or Sybok the vulcan would pull the most votes.

231. SirBroiler - January 26, 2012

Cool to see some other folks throwing around the Joachim theory. It makes much more sense than Cumberbatch playing Khan.

I happened to catch a showing of TWOK over the weekend and I really focused my attention on Joachim. Aside from when he couldn’t raise the Reliant’s shields, he was really cool, calm and calculated. He persisted in giving Khan sound advice throughout the battle with the Enterprise, right to the point of directly trying to convince Khan to give up on his irrational and emotionally-driven pursuit of Kirk.

“We are free. We have a ship, and the means to go where we will. We have escaped permanent exile on Ceti Alpha V. You have defeated the plans of Admiral Kirk. You do not need to defeat him again.”

I think it would be fascinating to see Joachim taking the leadership role – in what would be a complete departure from the TOS and TWOK Khan story lines.

232. Montreal_Paul - January 26, 2012

The only problem with the whole Joachim theory is that the Joachim from TWOK is NOT the same Joachim from Space Seed.

233. Montreal_Paul - January 26, 2012

Oh, and IO am not talking about the actor that played the part. Joachim from TWOK is actually the son of Joachim from Space Seed whom Khan raised as his own when Joachim Sr. died. Not “exactly” canon… but…

234. SirBroiler - January 26, 2012


First off, you’re right – the books aren’t canon – even though some aspects of the new Trek were taken from previous novels (Like Kirk’s Mother being named Winona). Second, Kirk said in Wrath – “There’s a man out there I haven’t seen in fifteen years who’s trying to kill me” – If Joachin from TOS married and birthed Joachim after arrival on Ceti Alpha V – then he would only be 15 years old (or less) by the time Khan and company escaped from the planet. Joachim in TWOK was way older than 15. Unless augments grow at a “substantially accelerated rate” – :)

“This concludes our proposal”

235. Montreal_Paul - January 26, 2012

Quite a bit in TWOK was conjecture (Chekov; how many years after Space Seed it actually happened; etc.) and (correct me if I am wrong) but wasn’t it mentioned in the Augments episodes of ENTERPRISE that they grow at an accelerated rate?

236. AJ - January 26, 2012

Very funny article from Huffington Post: ‘The Benedict Cumberbatch Situation’

237. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 26, 2012

Gosh, Jack (#225) – Speculation is what just about everyone does here on this site. It’s not like we are being inundated by truck loads of verifiably accurate information about the new Star Trek sequel being made. I did not make up the bit about Cumberbatch filming Star Trek in Canada. I just did what everyone else has been doing for the last three or so years – in this case, speculating as to what could be a credible reason for filming some Star Trek in Canada at this time (a snowy winter), something that I doubt Hawaii or California could provide, without undue difficulty. Why else would they be there, if it wasn’t for the particular scenery that Canada offers (and the cost effectiveness, it seems as well)? Everything else is set up in LA – sort of been since 1966 really. After all, the producers were scouting out Hawaii as a possible filming location and that is NOT conjecture or speculation.

Since Anthony Pascale has confirmed that none of Star Trek is being filmed in Canada, all this stuff is a bit moot. However, there is no reason to think that a part of this Star Trek sequel could not be filmed in Canada, nor any future sequel. I guess it really depends on what the script demands, the do-ability and cost effectiveness.

238. AJ - January 26, 2012

Joachim is not in the film as JJ has confirmed he is not casting Khan. It’s the only hard intel we have on the film apart from cast names and a few character descriptions.

At the end of the day, it’s the desperate speculators who put forward highly obscure characters up for inclusion into this film. Joachim? Lawrence Montaigne’s Romulan Lieutenant? What’s next? Kras? Droxine? Ensign Garrovick? Stonn sounds interesting…for me to poop on!

In our dreams, boys and girls.

239. SirBroiler - January 26, 2012

238 – You don’t have to cast a corpse.

I love speculating desperately. It gives me something to do when I’m supposed to be working.

240. SirBroiler - January 26, 2012

Also one more thing and then I’m done talking about Joachim until they confirm characters…

Again, not necessarily canon, but in the great Khan: Ruling in Hell comic, Joachim is shown as part of the original Bontany Bay crew exiled on Ceti Alpha V. So it still could be a possibility.

You know how much Bob O. loves Star Trek comics.

Okay – no more desperate speculation.

241. Phil - January 26, 2012

Joachim makes no more sense then dusting off any other “C” list character that got ten minutes of screen time on a TOS episode. Simply telling the story from another characters perspective is as bad an idea as remaking TWOK frame by frame. That, and nobody cares.

The best, and most reasonable explaination is that it’s a fresh story. Details to follow……

242. Phil - January 26, 2012

Stonn???? How many lines did HE have in his episode, maybe two? Yeah, that’s a great idea for a movie!! We’ll spend 150MM and sell ten, maybe twenty tickets!!

Meanwhile, in a galaxy far, far away, George Lucus is wondering how to follow up on Star Wars. “I know”!!, he exclaims, “the next story will be about Uncle Owen’s farmhand, Bob-Two-Pee-Four”! “It’s box office gold, I believe!!”

243. Montreal_Paul - January 26, 2012


See my post #232

244. SirBroiler - January 26, 2012


Saw it the first time you posted.

My point is that the books as well as the comics are both not considered canon when it comes to the shows and movies. While the Eugenics Wars books portray Joachim as the son of Joaquin, The Khan comics show Joachim as part of the original Bottany Bay crew. So really they could go any way they want in the new movie – if they even go that way.

245. Aurore - January 26, 2012

“Meanwhile, in a galaxy far, far away, George Lucus is wondering how to follow up on Star Wars. ‘I know’!!, he exclaims, ‘the next story will be about Uncle Owen’s farmhand, Bob-Two-Pee-Four’!’ It’s box office gold, I believe!!’ ”


I say BRIIIIIIING it, Mr. Lucas, sir !!!!!!!

246. Red Dead Ryan - January 26, 2012


When did J.J Abrams reveal he wasn’t casting Khan? He hasn’t said anything on the subject. In fact, they’ve all been pretty evasive.

247. Bob Tompkins - January 27, 2012

Perhaps Khan will appear after the final credit rolls…

248. SirBroiler - January 27, 2012

Also – found this interesting tidbit…

“In the commentary for the Star Trek II director’s edition DVD, Michael Okuda, co-author of The Star Trek Encyclopedia and a consultant on various Star Trek films and TV shows, points out that in “Space Seed”, the character’s name is Joachin (or Joaquin, according to the end credits of “Space Seed”, as well as but that he was accidentally renamed Joachim in the film.”

So in the tv/film canon they are the same person? Oh, the possibilities.

249. Phil - January 27, 2012

@247….floating dead in space somewhere…..

250. Noelle55369 - January 27, 2012

Wots with the ignorant racism? ANY ACTOR should be able to play ANY ROLE NO MATTER THIER RACE!

Didn’t George wunce write that he wanted to play the first Asian D’artagnan? And Nichelle once talk about an African American Othello, which was ALWAYS played by a caucasian in makeup? She wanted the FREEDOM to play a WHITE role not to DENY others.

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