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Quinto: Star Trek Sequel Script Still Evolving January 25, 2012

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: ST09 Cast,Star Trek Into Darkness , trackback

For most of the time the last Star Trek film was in production, Hollywood was working under a Writer’s Guild strike. This time that isn’t an issue and, according to actor Zachary Quinto, the writing team is taking advantage of the opportunity to make changes as they are going along. More details below.

 

Quinto: Star Trek script is evolving

At the Producer’s Guild Awards in Hollywood, Star Trek’s new Mr. Spock talked to E briefly, contrasting how things are different with the script for the sequel:

 "It was the middle of December and finally I had to be like, ‘We need to read the script,’" Quinto said, with a smile. "They waited a pretty long time, but that’s because they were working on it. There was a writer’s strike the first time so they weren’t able to let the script evolve. Now it’s really changing…on a regular basis."

While not unusual for a feature film, edits to the script during shooting is a change for this team and Star Trek. JJ Abrams first Star Trek film went into production on November 7th 2007, one day after the Writer’s Guild went on strike. Abrams worked closely with writers Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman in a mad rush as the deadline closed because they all knew they could not change anything once the filming began. In fact, Abrams later noted how this constraint caused some frustration. The strike was lifted in February about a month before shooting ended on the film.  

Quinto talks co-stars and Spock hair

Regarding the start of Star Trek production, Quinto noted "it’s been an incredible return to that world." He also said of his new co-stars :

All of them (Benedict Cumberbatch, Peter Weller and Alice Eve) have folded in so beautifully and brought a whole new level of intelligence and sensitivity"

The actor also talked a bit about one of his less favorite parts of shooting Star Trek, the effect on his hair, noting "My eyebrows are shaved and I do my hair in a way that people don’t know I actually have my horrible Spock hair."


Zachary Quinto arriving at the Producers Guild Awards on January 21st, 2012 in Hollywood


Star Trek director JJ Abrams with Quinto at PGA Awards 2012

And here is Getty Images video of Quinto on the red carpet:


Comments

1. Craiger - January 25, 2012

In that photo he looks like Clark Kent.

2. Jefferies Tuber - January 25, 2012

‘Folding in’ with BC implies that he’s not a distant character that would share minimal screen time with the key crew. Maybe BC and PW are both Vulcans?

3. NCM - January 25, 2012

Bring on the Vulcans! Always fun to hear from and see pics of gorgeous ZQ.

4. Trekker5 - January 25, 2012

#1,Craiger,I agree! Looks like he might dash off at any time and go save the day! :) Anyway,this don’t worry me;I just thank God they are filming!!

5. Hat Rick - January 25, 2012

Great interview. The eyebrow and hair thing… one suffers for art! ;)

6. Trekkermaster - January 25, 2012

My comment must have fell into a blackhole… anyway, this is always good news they have the opportunity to improve the movie as they go…

7. Bucky - January 25, 2012

How did Nero’s incursion cause Spock’s facial hair to grow seemingly more rapidly than his prime counterpart?

8. Martman - January 25, 2012

Cant wait for the first “on set” pic !!

Come on JJ,, hand someone a camera!

:oD

9. Khan was Framed! - January 25, 2012

I watched the Day of the Dove last night & realized what a dead ringer Peter Weller is for Kang in both face & voice.

I reallly hope he’s a Klingon in this.

10. Bucky - January 25, 2012

I hope Weller’s playing a descendant of his character from Terra Prime! Wheels within wheels. NX-01 lives!

11. Browncoat1984 - January 25, 2012

Yes, Zachary Quinto would make a great Clark Kent/Superman and I bet he would be as good if not better than the recent Tom Welling in the role. They shoulda cast him in the next Supes film!

12. 750 Mang - January 25, 2012

Thank God. Keep working on the script until the thing is in the can. The dialogue in ST09 was awful. I’ll give the brain trust the benefit of the doubt because of the strike, but this time there will be no excuse. #WittyBanter #WatchStarTrekII #Don’tMinseWordsBonesTellMeWhatYouReallyThink

13. Bucky - January 25, 2012

There was a bunch of great dialogue in Star Trek. I will admit that “I am Spock.” “…bullshit.” is one of my favouritest Trek dialogue exchanges ever.

14. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - January 25, 2012

Hey Bob Orci. Are you evolving the Script.

15. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - January 25, 2012

Quinto does look like Clark Kent. he would make a pretty good Supes.

16. Jack - January 25, 2012

12. Although I still cringe at how Shatner delivered some of those lines. Don’t mince words, indeed.

17. jas_montreal - January 25, 2012

Khan is evolving.

18. Demode - January 25, 2012

Abrams looks like Quinto’s “mini-me” in that picture :)

19. NCM - January 25, 2012

Good grief! I just watched the red carpet video on this thread. Unbelievably obnoxious ‘press.’ Can’t imagine having to stand in front of such a crowd–and we’ve sometimes, here, criticized these actors for how stiff they look in still shots from such events. Talk about lens flare. I’d want to start spraying rubber bullets into a crowd like that.

20. saavik001 - January 25, 2012

19 – LOL! too true!

21. Aurore - January 25, 2012

Quinto: Star Trek Sequel Script Still Evolving

“Now it’s really changing…on a regular basis.”
______________

Excellent news.

@The writing team.

“Sugar plum” , remember those words, gentlemen….

22. Khan was Framed! - January 26, 2012

Somebody please stop selling thick frames to Hollywood; it hasn’t been hip to be square for like three weeks now.

@11 Couldn’t disagree mor;, Qunito isn’t square jawed enough & doesn’t exude the authority needed for Superman.

He would just be another Brandon Routh.

Superman has been & it’s looks like continues to be done all wrong; it should only ever be set in the 1930’s where his type of hero belongs & the actors they cast are way too young. He should be about 35-40 as he was in the 1950’s tv series & the fleischer cartoons which defined that character.

The same is true for James Bond; that series should never have left the 60’s cold war era.

23. Vivien - January 26, 2012

Oh my God, oh my God!! His exebrows are gone!!! Spock is officially back. :) Huhh…I waited for this moment so long to capture him as Spock!!

I want to message to Mr. Quinto, that his SPOCK hair is the sexiest thing on this world…Besides his SPOCK eyebrows. My boyfriend has the same style and it is not nerdie or something. Be proud to play a character like that. And be proud that you play wonderfully!

24. Spock/Uhura Fan - January 26, 2012

Just lovely!!!!! :-) :-) :-)

25. Tanner Waterbury - January 26, 2012

You know ZQ is playing Spock again when he starts wearing those hipster glasses again.

26. Peter Loader - January 26, 2012

I wonder if Benedict Cumberbatch is playing a Vulcan bent on revenge.

27. MC1 Doug - January 26, 2012

Now mind you, I LOVE “Star Trek – The Motion Picture,” but I hope this film’s script isn’t evolving on a daily basis like the 1979 classic did.

28. VulcanFilmCritic - January 26, 2012

I think having the opportunity for some changes to the script is probably a good thing. If something that works on paper just isn’t working in front of the camera, then you need the flexibility to change it. I guess that means that the script will involve a lot of human interaction in addition to complex action sequences.

Gee, I wonder if the actors were allowed time for rehearsal before filming?

29. roger1701 - January 26, 2012

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160721786626

I want that ship!

30. Hat Rick - January 26, 2012

It would be pretty awful if one day after the close of principal photography, ZQ discovered that his eyebrows had decided to take a vacation from growing back. (I wonder if there are such things as prosthetic eyebrows, and why he wouldn’t be wearing them in public? Maybe the art of artificial eyebrows hasn’t been perfected.)

On the other hand, it would guarantee that he would want to continue to play Spock for quite a long time thereafter.

Or at least that he would wear a certain style of eyewear (see photos in article) for an equivalent period thereof.

;-)

31. VZX - January 26, 2012

I would love to see a random pic from the set, like maybe a grip setting up some rig or something.

C’mon, give us something!

32. boborci - January 26, 2012

31. Let me talk to JJ

33. andrew - January 26, 2012

Im having anxiety attacks just watching that video of Zach on the red carpet get his picture taken 10,000 times in 30 seconds.

34. Do You Wanna Dance - January 26, 2012

I don’t know about you, but I might not mind a permanent Spock eyebrow look. The bowl-cut hair, well, that’s a different story.

35. Picard's Fish - January 26, 2012

@32 Please do, Bob :)

36. Robert Karma - January 26, 2012

New Star Trek projects cause distortions in the space-time continuum for me. The time spent anticipating the new movie or series seemed to pass ever so slowly. I remember reading the newspaper as a kid back in the late 70’s to look for stories about ST:TMP and the thrill of seeing that Nimoy had finally signed on to reprise his iconic role of Spock. Fast-forward 30+ years and time still passes at a crawl for me waiting for the premiere of the latest Star Trek. Yes, we now have the Internet to keep us informed of the progress of the movie but it doesn’t effect the relative passage of time. Once the film is released then the space-time continuum jumps to warp speed as life returns to normal. I just hope that this film is worth the stress of the anticipation otherwise I may have to make the jump to the Mirror Universe. Strangely enough in the Mirror Universe I don’t have a goatee.

37. NCM - January 26, 2012

@32: Yes, please, but something recognizable as action around Trek filming.

38. Tanner Waterbury - January 26, 2012

@32

At least something on a set already seen… since its not so secret anymore.

39. jas_montreal - January 26, 2012

@31

Please.

40. CJS - January 26, 2012

Bob’s going to send us a picture of a lens flare.

41. Commdore Mike of the Terran Empire - January 26, 2012

Thanks Bob Orci for Trying. You are the best.

42. Aurore - January 26, 2012

31. VZX.

Way to represent, VZX !!!

:)

43. Sebastian S. - January 26, 2012

Interesting about the script ‘evolving’ even after it’s started filming. I know that because of the last strike, the script for ST09 was essentially locked and that movie turned out pretty good.

It’ll be interesting to see what little evolutionary changes occur this time around (I assume Quinto means there might be some improvisation this time?). I’m officially intrigued…

And it looks like Quinto also found the perfect pair of glasses to hide his partially shaved eyebrows this time as well….

;-D

44. Buzz Cagney - January 26, 2012

How about a picture of one of Cumberbatch’s pecs, Bob, just to see if he is measuring up as Khan? ;-)
Nipple at your discretion.

45. Jeyl - January 26, 2012

“There was a writer’s strike the first time so they weren’t able to let the script evolve. Now it’s really changing…on a regular basis.”

First everyone says “The script is amazing” now it’s “we’re changing the script on a regular basis”. Of course that’s how making movies works. Even Robert Wise made changes to the “Day the Earth Stood Still” script. I just think it’s funny when the film makers, actors and producers praise the script before production, yet it goes through so many changes on a regular basis.

46. Daoud - January 26, 2012

@40: I expect him to come back of a picture of the dailies:
http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/4/46991/1164306-white_super.jpg
Of course, he’ll note “we hadn’t turned on the projector yet”.

@36: Shades of ’79 all over again, indeed! Wonder if there will be an Untitled Star Trek Sequel Happy Meal, though?

@10: Weller as Kang? Interesting. They did have a full Klingon helmet and outfit set up. “Imagine Star Trek’s greatest rivals… working together in a common cause… to defeat an alien civilization that will if allowed to spread will end the galaxy as they know it….”

“Captain Kirk having stopped Nero, is given a special mission to pick up and take [insert Weller CEO character here], head of a powerful Klingon conglomerate suspected of being behind Nero’s escape from Rura Penthe and his easy destruction of the Federation fleet at Vulcan, to Vulcan jungle world P’Jem for an inquest by the Vulcan High Council. Kirk is one of the few people available who would have known nothing about any fleet conspiracy, so he is the ideal man for Pike to send on the mission. Another passenger is Dr. Elizabeth Dehner [Alice Eve's character], a Federation psychiatrist/mentalist expert and the Vulcan (or is he?) Stonn [Cumberbatch] — a rescued prisoner from Rura Penthe with an inexplicable story of capture, torture, and escape. But on the way, they encounter a vessel crewed by aliens from a strange new world…. Together, adversaries must come together to prevent those aliens from ending the galaxy as they know it.”

47. Spock/Uhura Fan - January 26, 2012

@#32

If possible, can the cast, or someone from the cast (say, someone wearing a blue shirt with pointy ears :-)) be in the distant, blurry-fuzzy, background? That can’t be giving up too much, can it? If it helps, pretty please with a cherry on top. :-)

Thanks.

48. Spock/Uhura Fan - January 26, 2012

@#45

From what I can tell, I like you, but I can tell you must have been a grinch in a former life. ;-) I’m just joking around, so no offense.

49. Chris Pike - January 26, 2012

32. boborci – January 26, 2012

31. Let me talk to JJ

Please don’t TEASE Bob!

50. Orly - January 26, 2012

Bob please feel free to post some photos of Cumberbatch. Fangirls are dying for new info,

51. Anthony Thompson - January 26, 2012

I would imagine that there were a few *wink-wink* “improvizations” during the filming of the 2009 film. After all, Bob was on set (as a producer) during the filming of that movie.

52. VZX - January 26, 2012

32. Yo, that would be sweet. Thanks, Brah.

42. merci!

53. Hugh Hoyland - January 26, 2012

Bob ask JJ if we can have a least a little hint as to what role Cumberbatch is playing, besides just “the bad guy”. ;)

54. Captain Hackett - January 26, 2012

Last night Leonard Nimoy tweeted that he was invited to visit the Star Trek set and he hoped that he would visit there next week.

55. KGF MD - January 26, 2012

thanks for talking to the fans bob

56. Montreal_Paul - January 26, 2012

Bob is going to post a picture of his coffee cup on set somewhere. ;)

57. KGF MD - January 26, 2012

[IMG]http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w372/KGFMD/Mr_Orci.png[/IMG]

58. CmdrR - January 26, 2012

Klingons, yes. But, interesting Klingons. Not rock-brained war-monger Kruge. Give is Grand Illusion-esque Kor.

59. boborci - January 26, 2012

45. As a matter of pure logic, the two are not mutually exclusive.

60. KGF MD - January 26, 2012

The truth is that photo above of Mr. Orci is not on the set. (sorry) It is from just after the Hollywood premiere of his first Star Trek film. That is me with Mr. O.

Hello Mr. Orci,

Once upon a space-time we had our photo taken together at the Hollywood premiere of your first Star Trek Film. I was there with my wife on tickets we got from JJ for our charitable contribution to The Liberty Hill Foundation. I am proud of that photo and hope we can do that again for the new film.

My wife and I also tried to work background on the first film but our schedules did not work out. We hope to try again for the new film. When looking at Hollywood OS and Central Casting though there is nothing that looks promising. What is a fan to do?

KGF MD

[IMG]http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w372/KGFMD/Mr_Orci.png[/IMG]

61. Trekker5 - January 26, 2012

#32,Bob,please do talk to JJ about it!! We would love that!! P.S. We would love anything else you could show us as well!! :)

62. filmboy33 - January 26, 2012

@BobOrci,

How about a pic of Benedict Cumberbatch in costume? About time you let that proverbial cat out of the bag, don’t you think?

You tease us and only show a snippet fo a costume, but it would be good to know at least an idea of what direction this sequel is going. Besides the usual “it is grander in scale” or “it is epic”. Come on guys, give us something fun to chew on for awhile.

63. Starfleet's Finest - January 26, 2012

So nice to see Quinto’s appearance change! Just another reminder that things are moving right along!

@ Mr. Orci:
So things are being ever changed to the script and all right now, is there ever a point where you will just leave the script as is? Like do you give yourselves a date and say “ok, this is the way we’re going to leave this” and move on or will you keep tweeking things until the 11th hour as it’s being filmed?

Not being a smart-aleck just genuinely curious of the writing procedure. :)

64. kgf md - January 26, 2012

Everyone be quiet now and we may overhear Bob talking JJ in the background.

65. Desstruxion - January 26, 2012

Give Spock a mullet.

66. Hugh Hoyland - January 26, 2012

Bob off topic here but have you had any news or thoughts about directing something yourself?

I remember reading something about that in the past.

67. Dee - lvs moon' surface - January 26, 2012

ZQ soooo Cool……..

……………… boborci… please, just talk to JJ…. :-) ;-)

68. VZX - January 26, 2012

65. Wow. Just, wow.

69. Lt. Bailey - January 26, 2012

I just hope they do not have any delay to the shooting with these re-writes or edits.

70. Royal Canadian Institute for the Mentally Insane - January 26, 2012

RE/ #32; a blurry-cam shot of a coffee cup reported to have been sipped by JJ Abrams as he reviewed a script revision.

71. Royal Canadian Institute for the Mentally Insane - January 26, 2012

Re/Klingons * Has it been established that we’ll see TOS style Klingons or bumpy-head Klingons? I know ENT went out and retconned everything all up.

We used to write stories where the Klingons we saw in TOS were one race and the ones we saw in TMP were another (both part of the Empire) — even came up with a backstory that involved the Klingon logo itself; the three spires used to all point up until a civil war started by the third race (who decimated the smooth-head elite race world) disheveled the Empire; the surviving race was the warrior class (the bumpy heads) who eradicated both the smooth-headed Klingons and the third race. The warrior class considered the third race dishonorable, and the spire was turned downward in shame.

72. Commdore Mike of the Terran Empire - January 26, 2012

Hey Bob Orci. How about a Pic of J.J Doing a Lens Flare for the new Trek Movie.

73. Phil - January 26, 2012

I think it’s more telling that no one had seen the script until mid-December. It’s a moral victory, all be it a small one….

74. crazydaystrom - January 26, 2012

In the future…

2012/2013 will be thought of as golden years of widescreen sci-fi. It’s a great time to be a Trekker, a science fiction fan and a fan of superhero movies! And I am all of the above!

Now if only CBS would get up off of it’s corporate duff 2013 could be a gold-pressed latinum year! ;-)

75. Daoud - January 26, 2012

Fire phasers?
http://www.ifc.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/010512-cumberbatch-star-trek-2.jpg

76. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 26, 2012

Yes, those thick black rimmed glasses that Zach is wearing is to hide those “Vulcan brows”.

#32 – Please Bob, do not tease us. I have no idea why it would be so hard to get all the main cast and guest actors TOGETHER on a Trek set and get a photo of them, either in costume or not and post the pictures here. I realise that having some of the guest actors in costume/make up might give the “secret” away before time, hence a photo of all the actors in their regular 2012 clothes. Better than nothing. I think people posting here would agree with me, surely?

You need to do it now before Chris Pine takes off to the UK this Sunday? to promote the upcoming This Means War film with Reese Witherspoon and Tom Hardy at the UK premiere on Monday, 30 January.

These pictures can’t happen soon enough…

Please Bob Orci. Please, JJ Abrams – make it happen!

77. Capt Krunch - January 26, 2012

Kirk and Shinzon together in the UK… Is Hardy playing a Chris Pine clone in this one….hope he does a better job than that fiasco that was Nemesux….
#32..Bob, give us something like the Enterprise construction teaser…maybe re-construction of the engine room….just kidding!

78. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 26, 2012

Bob Orci – Where is Chris Pine? I assume he is on set now being “my captain”.

Although, Chris Pine has not said so much as “boo” to media in the last year, he did show something definitive in that papz caught him wearing a hoodie with Kirk like blonde hair sticking out from under the hoodie. The rest of what I could see of his hair appeared quite dark, but then again, hard to tell… I guess a picture can *say* more than lots of tweets that say actually nothing. I like the Pine style. We ‘pinenuts’ have been posting, saying to Chris to show us a sign that our Captain fine Pine/Kirk will be beaming in very soon and I take it that this was a sign he was giving us. I know, this is more likely a fangirl fantasy on my part…oh well…I make no apologies…:)

There was another poster on another thread (sorry – I cannot recall the name) who said that his girlfriend had given him a “get out of jail free card” if he ever got to meet his favourite actress, Zoe Saldana. Well, my better half and I have come to an arrangement. We have given each other a “get out of jail free card” – me for Chris Pine and him for Liv Tyler. Now I have this notion that a lot of feverishly hard work is being done to get pigs to fly. So far no success, but with sustained hope and patience…

79. Phil - January 26, 2012

76. It’s hard because the performers are only at the studio when they are needed. If Chris Pine, for example, doesn’t start shooting for a month, he may not even be in LA at all.

80. Azrael - January 26, 2012

@22. I thought Routh did a great job in Superman Returns, and Im about halfway to not wanting to see Man of Steel because they stuck superman in the stupid looking “updated” costume.

81. Orly - January 26, 2012

Bob How about posting one line from the film. On Sherlock Cultbox and Digital Spy used to post script teasers for each episode which would drive fans wild tryign to work out what the lines meant. Its a good way of getting fans excited.

82. Jay - January 26, 2012

#71 I’m sure they will have ridges. That is the way they are suppose to look. Gene always said that that was how he always imagined them looking (the way they appeared in the TOS Movies). The only reason they didn’t look that way in the TOS series was because of budget and time constraints. That is the only reason. Not because of some goofy story that Enterprise came up with that most dismiss.

From the deleted scenes from 2009 Trek, you can see that JJ was following the same canon that says Klingons have ridges. (Yes I know they had helmets but it makes no sense to put the ridges on the helmets if they weren’t on their heads)

The problem is that those that are too hard core can’t seperate canon from simple special effects/make-up or budget limitations.

83. Jay - January 26, 2012

#2 I wouldn’t read that much into such a small comment. They could have shot one scence together, or simply both been at the studios shooting separate scenes on the same day.

There are any number of reasons why they would talk and socialize. I don’t think it in any way hints at what kind of role or character he is playing. Or Weller.

84. Hat Rick - January 26, 2012

I think that it would be neat if ZQ’s disguise-a-Spock look caught on and every hipster from L.A. to Paris wore exactly those glasses.

In that case, I’d think seriously about opening up a concession stand at the next ST convention selling cheap (but legal, of course!) knock-offs, no prescription needed. (Since it would just the frame.)

You, too, can look like Undercover Spock!

A winter hat like the one worn by Spock Prime in COTEOF (TOS) to cover up his Vulcan ears would make the look complete.

What a great fashion trend that would be, I’m almost sure. Yup.

Hipsters of the world, unite!

85. NCM - January 26, 2012

@77: Aye, aye. Would be a much appreciated nod to obsessed fans who have long supported the franchise and are clamoring for anything and everything:).

86. Dr. Image - January 26, 2012

@80- Routh was the one with the stupid “updated” costume! But- the new one… really needs the red underwear after all.
I hope they get someone else to shoot the cast promo shots this time. Those over-processed ones from the first movie were HORRIBLE.

87. chrisfawkes.net - January 26, 2012

As a promotion why not sponsor several primary schools in one area offering to provide a hairdresser to give any willing student a Spock hair style.

Parent permission of course and all willing participants also get a set of ears.

Maybe that works out better in my head than could be practically possible but i wonder if that could get kids of that age into playing star trek in the school yard apart from the obvious publicity.

88. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 26, 2012

OK – Where was there a lot of bad dialogue in Star Trek 09?

Gosh, the stuff I read here sometimes, what with people still obsessing and hating Star Trek TV series and movies that are years old and have little, if anything, to do with this alternate timeline where this movie series is taking place. Sometimes I have had the feeling reading various posts over time that for some people spending US$10 (NZ$16.50 adult ticket price here) and not having a movie meet their expectations is the *worst thing that has happened or could happen to them.

Then there is all the talk and controversy on threads like “Star Trek: The Next Generation – The Next Level” blu-ray with people nitpicking over minor details…

And then there are people like me who would love to get her hands on any new DVD set of all TOS episodes at an affordable price and playable on region 4 DVD players. No point ordering from Amazon as they only sell (as far as I know) region 1 DVD/blu-ray movies etc.

I guess it is the way of the world. Just saying…sorry, but the self-indulgent bs I read here sometimes is really quite sickening. Makes me a bit angry sometimes, that’s all.

*(Get yourself kneed in the nuts and have a 50kg sack of pool salt chucked at you – and end up with incurable low to high levels of chronic pain, weight gain, heart problems and insulin-dependent diabetes AND a ruined career as a result…and then come back to me bitching about a wasted $10 movie ticket.)

89. joe merrick - January 26, 2012

ALL TREKKERS UNITE TO BUILD IT. A REAL ENTERPRISE.

All Trekkers Unite To Build A Real Starship Enterprise.

This is to put forward the proposal for the construction of a real Starship Enterprise.

Starship construction project.

The objective is to gather human resources together so that a real world Starship Enterprise could be constructed.

Here is the formal proposal:-

ALL TREKKERS UNITE TO BUILD IT:-
A REAL ENTERPRISE.

I have a great idea.Why don’t all we trekkers unite together and build a real STARSHIP ENTERPRISE on the ground?

Building it on the ground it will cost less then in space.

The cost will about a couple of billion dollars at least and of course we will not be able to launch it into space until someone develops anti-gravity,a gravity shield or a new propulsion system to lift it into orbit.

(What’s happened to that gravity cancellation technique that used a spinning superconducting disk discovered by Eugene Podkletnov? It was found that any object weighed less above it?).

The best version to build would be STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE version 1701A or the STAR TREK GENERATIONS ENTERPRISE-B version.

From a practical constructional viewpoint building the Enterprise – B is more realistic as it has a thicker and more massive supporting neck for the primary hull.

Aesthetically also it is very pleasing and beautiful to look at having a grace and stately majesty as evidenced by the film.

It would be fully functional in every respect within the limits of current technology and would be self supporting by turning it into a very famous tourist attraction to rival that of the pyramids with people actually staying inside it like a hotel.

To be totally honest, technology is really close to completing construction of such a vessel. True it may not have All of the Capabilities that those of Star Trek as far as Transporters, phasers or shields right now. The Hull could be completed, some of the services on board could be provided, like turbo-lifts and assorted computer functions to simulate a star trek themed environment.

Just imagine what an awe inspiring sight it would be and what it would look like properly lit at night.

It would be an amazing sight and people would come from all over the world to visit it and stay in and pay for it.

Now some of you will say its too difficult to build but if sea going ships like the dream princess and other cruise liners can be build for around $600 million then it should not be difficult to build a fully functional STARSHIP ENTERPRISE – B for a couple of billion dollars.

SO LETS GET TOGETHER AND TURN FANTASY INTO REALITY.

Just think what an inspiration for the star trek ideals and vision such a construction would represent.

Now you will say where are we going to get the money to build such a expensive ship.Well there are plenty of millionaires and billionaires who could be persuaded to invest in such a business venture and some of them may even be star trek fans.

We should get some seed money together first by setting up a web site and approaching various well connected business people to contribute and invest in the idea.

It should be sold as a business venture idea and Paramount would be obligated to help as well to bring it in to fruition as Gene Roddenbury’s original contract had a clause that Paramount would help if anyone came to them to bring the ideas into reality.

So let’s get to work on the technical plans for the building of the STARSHIP ENTERPRISE and the business plans for bringing it into reality.

This is a serious idea and I invite discussion and ACTION from all people who would like to help build a real STARSHIP ENTERPRISE and make the dream into a reality!

90. AJ - January 26, 2012

87/Keachick:

Hang back and chill for a bit.

Worse things happen to people than the $10 ticket.

Getting overly upset over alleged comments on Trekmovie and elaborating the way you have is a bit too much IMHO.

If this forum is where you feel best venting, you are welcome in LIVE CHAT, where we’re ‘all ears,’ to quote the first Ferengi.

91. NuFan - January 26, 2012

You have nuts, Keachick?

92. AJ - January 26, 2012

88:

joe merrick:

Why invest in ENT-B/A on such a grand scale, when it’s the original which is so iconic?

And why would customers want to live on a ship where, as it’s said, ‘they really packed ‘em in’? Why should we pay for food from a synthesizer when real food is so much better? And will my family and I live in cramped bunks?

93. Bob Tompkins - January 26, 2012

It is always***ALWAYS*** a terrible sign when a movie is being written as it is being filmed.
We are in for something of a train wreck here- you heard it here first.
All the signs are pointing away from this being a viable movie.
If this isn’t a franchise- killer, Paramount must get rid of these guys and find their muse, someone who is willing to devote their professional career to Star Trek for several years, not hopping from a multitude of projects and revisiting Trek when their schedule allows.
Trek is unique in movie annals. It needs to be treated that way.

94. boborci - January 26, 2012

93. You r nuts.

95. boborci - January 26, 2012

81. Warp Speed;)

96. boborci - January 26, 2012

Oh, wait. We might have to rewrite that line as tbe script evolves.

97. boborci - January 26, 2012

Directing? I once asked Harrison Ford if ever wanted to direct since he obviously knows enough to do it. He quoted Bob Hoskins, who said, “Directing is like getting pecked to death by a thousand penguins.”

It may be too much of a real job for me, but never say never;)

98. PEB - January 26, 2012

I’m glad that there’s evolution in terms of the script. Might not remember correctly but I thought you guys wanted to make a few changes but could only do minor things because of the writer’s strike. Looking forward to another great movie!

99. PEB - January 26, 2012

oh and Quinto…good lord he’s hot!

100. Montreal_Paul - January 26, 2012

93. Bob Tompkins –

I agree with boborci… you ARE nuts! I work in the TV/Film industry in Montreal, we are ALWAYS doing rewrites of scenes, adding lines, changing things while we are filming. It is all part of the evolution of a script. It is one thing having the script done before the shoot, but once principal photography starts, there is always room to ad-lib, improve or tweak scenes. Bob Orci can back me up here – it’s all part of the biz!

101. Dee - lvs moon' surface - January 26, 2012

#97. boborci………….. I’m still waiting for WTP, too…. :-) ;-)

102. Todd - January 26, 2012

Rewriting dialogue and scenes is one thing, that makes sense and is par for the course. The lack of ability to do that is probably what crippled the Bond film Quantum Of Solace. However, if the story is ‘still evolving’ and your villain/antagonist/whomever(KHAN!!!) while still not being confirmed by us is also not totally confirmed amongst yourselves, then that would make me extremely nervous. I’d like to assume I can trust that this is not the case. :)

103. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 26, 2012

#97 – No, my better half has, although I propose to buy some of the other kind of nuts when I go shopping later…

#90 – No more so than what I have read written here on the various threads since I came here nearly two years ago, and those posts were all about a fictional TV and movie series. I said that reading some of the stuff and the way people express themselves makes me think that, eg the $10 ticket they bought or what Rick Berman was supposed to have done to the Star Trek franchise, people making death threats (now that’s a different kind of nuts again) etc etc etc were some of the worst things that ever happened to them. I may be over-the-top, but at least I am talking about my family’s REALITY, not about make-believe science fiction.

Sorry if what I wrote bothers you, AJ, and others perhaps…sometimes I just feel irked.

As I am sure Bob Orci will confirm, the main plot/story remains the same. However, there are many different ways of saying and/or showing something, giving accent to one aspect, minimizing another or vice versa. The actors are sort of like puppets, but thinking puppets within the parameters laid down for them by the overall script and director’s wishes but even so, they may have “room to manoeuvre” as it were and sometimes it is even welcomed by writers/directors… Have I sort of got it right, Bob Orci?

104. saavik001 - January 26, 2012

The majority of the actors haven’t seen the script until recently, plus reheaseals will make things flow better/differently. It is a evolving process and scenes will be rewritten to the actors strengths and input.

105. punkspocker - January 26, 2012

Wow, after reading some posts (aside from the meanies) it does make you think about ticked off vulcans, another spock-centric film! Cool!

106. MJ - January 26, 2012

Seems to me like the LA Times article was right after all.

107. boborci - January 26, 2012

106. It was. After its correction.

108. Dee - lvs moon' surface - January 26, 2012

LOL…..

109. Phobos - January 26, 2012

Seeing Quinto in that video is exciting! Mr. Spock is coming back. Woohoo!

110. dmduncan - January 26, 2012

Apocalypse Now, one of the best films ever made, was constantly evolving during its entire production, and that process created a unique masterpiece of cinematic art. A real high point for the medium.

Revision during production is GOOD. Shows they are thinking, adapting, and finding inspiration during the actual process of making the movie.

111. dmduncan - January 26, 2012

And look at that photo. Doesn’t Zach look like a stretched version of JJ Abrams?

112. Commdore Mike of the Terran Empire - January 26, 2012

Hey Bob. Are you still going to use Anthony Pascales name and BND’s name in the new Movie.

113. VZX - January 26, 2012

Heh. Teaching is also like getting pecked to death by a thousand penguins.

Wait, so are good directors just gluttons for punishment?

114. VZX - January 26, 2012

Y’know, I thought that all movies are constantly evolving during production. I mean, is a movie ever really, truly considered to be finished by its creators? I think that they just stop working on them when they have to, but never finished. The story can even have drastic changes during the editing.

115. Todd - January 26, 2012

105. Maybe Benicio really turned down the role because he didn’t want to shave his eyebrows…?

116. NCM - January 26, 2012

103. Keachick – rose pinenut – January 26, 2012:

“I may be over-the-top, but at least I am talking about my family’s REALITY, not about make-believe science fiction.”

And all this time, I thought Trekmovie was a place for obsessed and over-the-top fans to talk about make-believe science fiction.

117. Bob Tompkins - January 26, 2012

@boborci-
Thanks for the thoughtful appraisal. I am nuts, but in a good sort of way.
Here’s a little more thoughtful appraisal for you.
Never a good idea to start without a polished script and Zachary Quinto’s statement that the script is ‘evolving’ scares hell out of me.
Much of Star Trek: The Motion Picture was written and filmed ‘on the fly’ and we all know how that one turned out. The only part that was well-planned [but poorly executed for lack of time] were the SFX….
Alien 3 was a horrible movie, the film having started without a finished script.
Men in Black 3 started out the same way and it doesn’t look hopeful.
I maintain my stand that Trek needs a full timer at the head of the project.
4 years between films is too long; Paramount is going to have an uphill battle to generate interest at the level of the first effort and get butts back in the seats. If the movie isn’t top notch every step of the way- well, history speaks for itself.

118. P Technobabble - January 26, 2012

I don’t see any problem with revising, rewriting or whatever right up to the final day of shooting. Is there really any difference between a script that’s been finished for 5 months, or one that “evolves” right up til the end of production. Either way, its 120 pages of blueprint and dialogue and you couldn’t say a finished script was any better than an evolving script until you’ve seen the movie anyway.

119. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 26, 2012

#116 NCM – Yes, Trekmovie is the place to talk about Star Trek but of course, you know that and you know that I know that. Please, I am fairly certain you understand the context in which I wrote those words you quoted, as well as the other words in my posts at #88 and #103 being commented on here, so therefore I take this comment to be unsympathetic and sarcastic.

I guess it further proves my point about many people often being overly emotionally indulgent (esp. where murderous anger is expressed) towards some of those responsible for having brought us various incarnations of Star Trek, a work of fiction.

I am not looking for pity or whatever

120. Orly - January 27, 2012

Personally I hope they are rewriting the script to give Cumberbatch a meatier role. Something for him to get his teeth into. He’s too good an actor to have a nero like role.

121. Bob Tompkins - January 27, 2012

118- I sincerely hope that the new Star Trekl is the best movie I ever see in my life. The odds are against that at the moment, in terms of a brief history of moviemaking.Nonetheless, I will still be there for the midnight showing on the first day providing my health does not crash further, rendering me unable to travel or worse ; I will be searching for reasons to like the movie regardless of the plot holes, much as I did with this group’s first effort.
A movie is normally rewritten because something isn’t working. To know that something is amiss this early in the filming process, or this late in the writing process often isn’t a good sign. Moviewriting by committee usually isn’t a good thing either particularly if there are several committees involved; I don’t imagine this is the case with Star Trek 2013 or 2014 or whenever they get around to releasing it.
That boborci felt threatened in any way by my opinion and made such a snide remark about my mental health took me by surprise.
It does not in any way affect my feeling about his past work, which I generally consider among the best.

122. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 27, 2012

#121 Bob Orci called your post at #93 nuts because it did seem that way. As far as I know, you really have no more of an idea of how the movie is written by Bob Orci, Alex Kurtzman and Damon Lindelof than anyone else. What are these “several committees” that you talk about?

“It is always***ALWAYS*** a terrible sign when a movie is being written as it is being filmed.
We are in for something of a train wreck here- you heard it here first.
All the signs are pointing away from this being a viable movie.”

This is just silly catastrophizing. The main story and dialogue is already written for the movie. What is being talked about is making some variations as to how some scenes might be done or what a character may or may not say, look, do… The Star Trek sequel story outline is NOT being rewritten! This is just a normal part of the television/movie making process. It happens everywhere, even when they were making TOS episodes. How hard is that to understand?

123. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 27, 2012

“20th Century Fox has lost its bid to have “This Means War” downgraded to a less-restrictive PG-13 rating, with the MPAA Ratings Appeals Board today upholding the “R” (for “some sexual content”) originally assigned to the forthcoming action/comedy. The decision will undoubtedly have a negative effect on the film’s box-office, given that no one under the age of 17 will be admitted without an adult accompanying them. How much of an effect, of course, is another question entirely.

Starring Reese Witherspoon, Chris Pine, Tom Hardy and Chelsea Handler, “This Means War” centers on two CIA operatives (Pine and Hardy) who go to battle over a woman they’ve both fallen for (Witherspoon). Directed by McG (“Charlie’s Angels”, “We Are Marshall”), the film is slated for release on February 14th.”

As someone else mentioned, McG’s “gritty”, violent Terminator Salvation only got a PG-13 rating, but this movie gets an R rating. Of course, without actually seeing the movie, I cannot say for sure whether This Means War deserves to get an R rating, but somehow I suspect it does not. If saying a few too many “F’ words or something like that represent “sexual content”, then the MPAA are nuts and the board should be sacked.

I am sick of violence yet LOVE making is censored.

Roll on 14 February 2012!

124. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 27, 2012

Correction: Apparently Terminator Salvation was rated R by the MPAA for its violence.

125. Bob Tompkins - January 27, 2012

122 I am expressing displeasure of the delays we have faced in getting this project underway at abiout the time it was originally set to release because the boyos were busy with other projects. Star Trek is an afterthought to them when it should be the first item on their plate.
Now we get word the script is unpolished and being rewritten; I didn’t get the idea it was being tweaked in a minor way. It is evolving, which to me suggests substantial changes very early in shooting.
When I speak of movies by committees, the quality of a movie usually depends inversely in quality upon the number of credited screenwriting teams. 1 team is OK, 2 teams is oh-oh and 3 or more teams of writers is usually ‘put locks on the doors to keep people from walking out of the theater’.
I understand that sometimes an actor says ‘My character wouldn’t say that’ or ‘wouldn’t react that way’. Usually the writer tells the actor to do it the writer’s way or occasionally the line will be tweaked.Sometimes the director or writer tells the actor to express displeasure with a line with the deivery of the line or an expression; make the audience wonder.
I have read many ‘making of’ TV and movie books and listened to actor interviews and the actors more often than not when they complain about a line are told by someone higher up to just ‘Eat me.- just say the goddamned line and let’s get the next setup……’
If Star Trek 2013 is moving forward with an incomplete or a weak script, the movie will indeed be in trouble and no amount of CGI will save it.
|I suppose we will see who is right in May of 2013- or December of 2013- or May of 2014.
I hope it’s you.

126. Vulcan Soul - January 27, 2012

This guy voluntarily wears these horrible oversized black-framed glasses that scream “faker” all the way and then worries about shaved eye brows and horrible hairdoes. What an airhead…

127. AJ - January 27, 2012

TOS was famously edited/re-written quite often by Gene Roddenberry on location. This news is no big deal.

128. Chris Doohan - January 27, 2012

97

I’m sure your directing would be as good as your writing… you should do it.

129. Jay - January 27, 2012

#93 Absolutely not true. Maybe that’s your opinion, but in fact it is pretty normal for there to be changes to a script during production.

130. Jay - January 27, 2012

#102…. It sounds like you are jumping to conclusions and making assumptions that are simply unsubstantiated.

131. Jay - January 27, 2012

#117 You are giving examples of things that simply aren’t the case here. They didn’t start filming without a finished script. Saying that the script is evolving does not mean the story was not finished.

You are way over reacting to a pretty normal and insignificant comment.

132. Phil - January 27, 2012

Scripts get tweaked all the time in production. If they get into it a bit and conclude what they are doing is horrible, then a consultant gets called in. Carrie Fisher has made quite a name for herself doing this work.

133. Phil - January 27, 2012

@93. Someone willing to devote several years of their career exclusively to Trek has a thankless job. Ask Rick Berman…..

134. Aurore - January 27, 2012

…You mean…THE Carrie Fisher?…

So…you had to refer to THAT consultant….here?

And, that was… totally innocent on your part, Phil, of course.

I like it .

On the other hand, may the strenght be with you….

:)

135. Orly - January 27, 2012

Cumberbatch would never sign up to anything unless the script was good. He values his long term career too much. If he’s happy then I’m happy.

136. Xai , “Star Trek : The Pursuit of the Wasscally Wabbit” - January 27, 2012

Regarding #125 and other posts.

Really? While it’s your opinion and I get that, but …wow. Bob Orci is a very good and prolific writer. He’s done this a few times before. Other than being a fan like the rest of us, what are your credentials for all this knowledge of movie writing you are sharing?

137. Daoud - January 27, 2012

If Jeff Dunham’s Walter were a real person… he’d post curmudgeonly at Trekmovie about the movies, no?
.
Hey, how about a cameo role for Jeff Dunham! :)

138. boborciq - January 27, 2012

Bob Tompkins –s orry to hear about your health. To make you feel better, i’ll give you a more thoughtful response.

First, this movie is by no menas written by committee. It has been written by ONE team. Me, Alex, and Damon. Thanks to the protective umbrella of the success of our first movie and JJ Abrams, we get less studio intereference than almost any other production around. This process is the OPPOSITE of script by committee.

As for a full time trek staff, you should know that we have been working on the video game, the comics, and the story for the last two years. Trek has never been far from our minds. And we were doing all of that without even having a deal with the studio to do so (and our deal is only for script. all other stuff is pro bono to make the universes consistent). We were acting in good faith.

The reason the script wasn’t finished until recently is mostly for strategic philosophical reasons. We were not willing to turn anything in until we knew for sure that we had a start date, based on JJ’s availability. If we had wrtitten the script a year ago and it sat on the shelf, it would not have been current. Nothing messes up a script like it sitting on the shelf, because then everyone does get time to second guess and wonder, and then movies fall apart.

Finally, you should know the story hasn’t change, the structure hasn’tt changed, and the action sequences haven’t changed. Most changes are minor. The changes II suspect Quinto is referring to are the character interacctions as we fine tune the level of their various friendships. How well they all know each other and what they’ve all been through off screen is a nuanced yet essential part of the actors understanding where they are coming from with each other. While discussing the exact same plot elements, what they’ve been through colors their attitude toward each other. And given that the time past in real life is different than the amount of time passed in the movie world, it takes a polish to get it just right. That’s what poilshes (a legal contractual word in our contract) are for.

Does any of this mean the movie will be any good? No. But if it’s no good, it will be because we were wrong to execute exactly what we wanted. Not because we changed our minds or someone changed our minds for us.

Feel better:)

139. boborciq - January 27, 2012

as an interesting addendum, the weirdest kind of changes comme from how JJ wants to move the camera. Thanks to advances in film making, we can move the camera around the ship in ways you couldn’t before — so sometimes lines will chaange or even who says them may change based on their position on the set relative to the coolest choreography of the camera moves. Keeps you on your toes as a writer for sure, but is is fun and worth it.

140. Aurore - January 27, 2012

Boborciq?

I hope it’s you, Toto.
Since reading 138 & 139 was extremely informative, as far as I’m concerned.

141. Aurore - January 27, 2012

Toto = Mr. Orci

:)

142. boborci - January 27, 2012

oops. How did that get in there?! ipad keyboard not alwys the best!

143. Aurore - January 27, 2012

…..And he calls himself a writer…..

Quick! Someone call Miss Fisher to the rescue!
NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:))

144. Jay - January 27, 2012

Too bad Bob Orci has to dignify such minority oppinions with a response. But alas….

To me everything Orci said was common sense… but I guess not to everyone.

145. Jay - January 27, 2012

One thing that this issue highlights is how there are some people that will take any grain of salt comment given by a member of the cast or crew about this movie and build Mt. Everest out of it.

146. Aurore - January 27, 2012

….Or…… were you giving us a clue?

Will the The Next GeneratiOn character named Q (?) be in the sequel ?

Is that IT ?!

147. Aurore - January 27, 2012

Mmmmmmmmmm…..
Your silence is deafening Mr. Roberto Orciq.

:))

148. Chris Doohanq - January 27, 2012

I know, I have that same problem

149. Admiral Archer's Cheese Bagel - January 27, 2012

148

I can relate!

(In my own pe-Q-liar way)

150. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 27, 2012

Thank you, Bob Orci, for your explanation of the writing and film making process.

#144 – “Too bad Bob Orci has to dignify such minority oppinions with a response. But alas….”

I don’t agree, Jay. It is quite possible that Bob Tompkins was not the only person confused. It was good of Bob to explain in order that all of our understanding and perceptions are confirmed or otherwise. Bob Orci did this some weeks back when a number of people got confused about the meanings of “final draft”, “another draft” etc, especially me, which prompted me to believe he had started working on a draft for the next Star Trek movie, hence my posting of a portion of my own Star Trek story outline. Ooops…

I am grateful for his input.

151. VZXq - January 27, 2012

Minority opinions? Really? This is the stuff I love to read! Anything that a movie creator can explain about the film-making process is, well, fascinating to me. I’ve read several books on the subject and greatly appreciate Bob’s interactions with us, especially this last one.

I’m looking forward to these crazy-cool camera pans and angles! While I’m not a fan of the shakey-cam, I do like the dynamic use of the camera that JJ uses. I like all the Speilberg homages he uses as well, like the “character look up in awe” shot.

152. Jay - January 27, 2012

I don’t think he was confused…. i think he was just using that small comment by Quinto as “proof” in his mind that this film is headed for disaster and used it as his window to rant about how the current brain trust is ruining Star Trek.

It’s sad when someone as busy as Orci has to take time out to explain such simple and elementary aspects of the project because some few, but very vocal, fanatics take things so far out of context.

153. Jay - January 27, 2012

#151 I don’t mind insight into the movie making buisness… i enjoy it.

I was refering specifically to someone making a mountain out of a throw away comment that an actor makes in a public appearance. Going on and on and on about how the movie is headed for disaster, and how obviously the writers don’t have a clue because they “still” haven’t finished the script…etc. etc.

That is not the same as just “Hey guys… here’s some inside info on how Star Trek, and movies in general get made.”

154. NanoTechDudeLA - January 27, 2012

I agree with Aurore in 146. – Mr. Orci is so into it that he has subconsciously given us a massive clue – Q!!! :):):)

Thanks Mr. Orci for your time, that post was enlightening! I wish you the best of luck and give us the best Trek movie ever!

Back to work now, this dissertation MUST be ready by 17.01. next year :D

155. AJ - January 27, 2012

I’ve been vocal about how frustrating the delays had become, both in 2008 and last year. Unless the headline points to delays, however, this is just business as usual.

In 2007/8,they complained that the strike hindered their ability to tweak on-set, and how necessary a part it is of what we finally see on screen.

156. Anthony Thompson - January 27, 2012

146.

Mr. Cumberbatch as ‘Q’? makes a whole lot more senses than Khan! And, frankly, is more intriguing!

157. Hugh Hoyland - January 27, 2012

In writing a screenplay I actually find if I “shelve” it for a SHORT period and then go back and take a look at it, I can see it a little more clearly.

158. Anthony Thompson - January 27, 2012

Excuse the typos above.

159. Anthony Thompson - January 27, 2012

157.

Another reason Bob didn’t mention above is that they wanted JJ’s input, too. Which wasn’t possible until he completed his ‘Super 8′ project. Hence, the outline.

160. Aurore - January 27, 2012

“…Mr. Orci is so into it that he has subconsciously given us a massive clue – Q!!! :):):)”

“Mr. Cumberbatch as ‘Q’? makes a whole lot more senses than Khan! And, frankly, is more intriguing!”
______________

….And, this, ladies and gentlemen is how rumors get started.

Take note, people…..THAT is how you do it…….

Now, I’m waiting for an article on this clue that was subconsciously revealed to us…..

I’m telling you, it’s a great time to be a Star Trek fan.

161. NCM - January 27, 2012

@119: Not unsympathetic, and wouldn’t suggest that this isn’t the place to vent about RL situations: just think taking a swipe at people for using the board as it’s intended while assuming high ground (as any “at least I…” statement announces) is…uncharitable.

162. NCM - January 27, 2012

138. boborciq – January 27, 2012

Lots of cool details and good info.–yes, some, but certainly not all easily assumed, and it’s nice to hear: “Trek has never been far from our minds…pro bono…good faith.” Yay, Team!

boborciq, you really should write more often!

(…a shame antagonism seems to bring forth the best responses. Hope incentives are better on the job)

163. Daoudq - January 27, 2012

This could be the new 47!
.
Thank you Roberto, that was a most excellent read. Any chance that after this sequel, that Pocket will be able to re-do those alt-universe novels? That might help between the sequel and the threequel. Especially if you and Alex and Damon could coordinate comics, the game, *and* novels set in the universe. I’ve never gotten into the Star Wars Expanded Universe primarily because it was always the Star Trek Universe that I wanted expansion of….

164. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 27, 2012

#161 – So is some of the stuff said about JJ Abrams, Bob Orci, Rick Berman etc etc very uncharitable as well…just saying

165. VZXq - January 27, 2012

153. Oh, ok. I see your point. My bad.

BTW: I’m guilty of the same thing: make a mountain of a small comment made by a cast or crew member. I’m currently trying to crack the Da Vinci code in Bob’s last long comment, there’s a clue in there somewhere!

166. originalTOSTOSFan - January 27, 2012

Everyone is speculating that they are remaking a Khan film. I really hope not. The only way it would make sense would be to remake Space Seed, and that was not one of Kirks finer moments.

Here is a really horrible thought… some here suggests some of the new guest stars are vulcans… suppose they are remaking STV….

Again, horrible though and I am really just joking. I think they are smart enough to let that go…

167. Red Dead Ryan - January 27, 2012

Q is not going to be in the sequel. The guys have already said no to non-TOS characters/villains. And I don’t think its going to be Trelane either. That character was annoying, and the episode he was in was boring.

#166.

No one has suggested a remake of “The Wrath Of Khan”. It can’t happen yet because in the new timeline, he still has to meet Kirk, and Kirk has to deal with with him, if they do indeed encounter each other.

The only part of “Space Seed” the writers would need to (at least somewhat) duplicate is his discovery, and first meeting with Kirk. And even then, it could be different from the TOS episode.

There are many different possibilities for the character of Khan in this new timeline.

168. N - January 27, 2012

It’s good that they want to perfect it, which I’ll be optimistic and assume is because they’re dedicated to it. I mean, that original draft of First Contact is awful but from it eventually came the best Trek film…
I really hope the alternate reality is strong enough to stand on its own and didn’t rely too heavily on the tether to the Prime Universe, XI is a good parallel universe story – almost as good as Parallels plot-wise, my biggest fear is that left to their own devices the writers will churn out something like Transformers or Cowboys and Aliens again, no offence. Though the coffin nail in them was probably Spielberg :P
Hopefully it’ll do well so that the franchise doesn’t go on hiatus again or worse. Then in a few years someone can pick up from where Trek-Trek left off.

169. Aurore - January 27, 2012

“Lindelof: We love Trek too, but we want to also blaze our own trail here. The idea of just kind of playing cover songs and classics again – we feel like there has to be a little of that, but there has to be a lot of original music in the set list to be worthy of your time and attention. You don’t want to see a remake, you want to see a new movie.”

http://trekmovie.com/2011/06/11/star-trek-sequel-writers-give-script-update-promise-no-remake-talk-vulcan-arcs-more/
___________

This, to me, means no Khan whatsoever.
And, I don’t expect to see any The Next Generation characters, either.
Which reminds me…..

143. Correction.
to the rescue = to the res-Q

170. NCM - January 27, 2012

Aurore, you are a link master. Thanks, and keep ‘em comin’.

171. Orly - January 28, 2012

I think its lovely of Mr Orci to come on this board to respond to comments. Its a shame there are so many debbie downers on here though. I loved the last film but truthfully I’m only really interested in the new film because of Benedict Cumberbatch who I’m a big fan of. The star trek fanbase is new to me and I’m shocked at how sour it is. So much bitterness and negativity on forums. Orci must be fed up of seeing so much hysterical criticism. Head to the Sherlock fandom and you’ll see how happy and positive it is. Its a lovely place to be (e.g on Tumblr)

Personally I wish Mr Orci could just do a short Q&A with the webmaster of this trekmovie website. He can then respond to fans in a controlled structured way.

172. La Reyne d'Epee - January 28, 2012

89. Been done already. Orci posted it on his Twitter. It runs on canoe power tho.

173. Jim Nightshade - January 28, 2012

Nice of bob to converse with us–i cant afford an ipad but its nice to know that apples touch screen keybord is as lousy as my 200 dollar android tablet and im not the only one with the typo problem….hah i also thought thst cant be bob he suddenly doesnt know how to spell….im more cnvinced than ever bob n company are aming the best choices to make trek movies–they really do care about the story, genes franchise and us…carry on sir bob…and a big thanks….

174. Jack - January 28, 2012

139. Boborci.

Cool. Thanks for that.

Does that normally happen in films — the tweaking of lines, I mean. I’d think that sometimes hearing an actor say a line might give you a different perspective on how well that line works. Or you might get a sudden flash of a way to better convey what you’d meant to? Even if it’s just word order. Or is that normally verboten, making changes, say if the writers aren’t on set?

Any worries that taking lines from one character to give to another might lead to an over-publicized feud in, oh, 40 years or so?

175. P Technobabble - January 28, 2012

121. Bob Tomkins
Based on past experience I would agree that rewriting late in the ballgame is not a good thing. But I also feel that one cannot determine when a good idea will strike. The film has started shooting, there’s a lot of energy in the air, and maybe one of the writers wakes up in the middle of the night — (do you even sleep, Bob Orci?) — and they have one of those “eureka!” moments, seeing something they hadn’t seen before, or coming up with a new line that hadn’t been thought of. In other words, unless some superior power drops in and says “No more changes!” the opportunities for new ideas never ends. I’m not saying this is the case, but imagine the opening sequence of Trek09 not being thought of until a week before shooting? We wouldn’t want that sequence to have been ignored simply because the script was supposed to be “locked in” months prior. I think the difference between these writers and the writers of TMP, for example, is that these writers are not battling with each other over the concept or who gets credit for the screenplay.
And I wonder how much the “perfectionist” has a hand in all this? I think we all have a desire to make something perfect, and we can’t let it go until we really believe it is as close to perfect as we can get it. I’m sure these writers are no different.

176. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - January 28, 2012

Thank’s Bob Orci for your response. I for one was never concerned about the little rewrites and such. In anything a little touch up here and there is a good thing and it also shows that you care about the work you are doing. Keep up the good work Bob. Again. No Pressure.

177. Dee - lvs moon' surface - January 28, 2012

boborci mentioned the game Star Trek … in an article posted on January 25 at tgdaily they note, an information from the THR, about the involvement of Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto in the development of the game design….

source: http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-entertainment-features/61024-star-trek-game-on-track-for-st2

178. Anthony Pascale - January 28, 2012

ignore that article from TGDaily. If you notice the THR source has been removed. It was outdated info – the guy quoted doesn’t even work for Paramount anymore

179. DeShonn Steinblatt - January 28, 2012

168.

No

180. Chris Doohan - January 28, 2012

160

That was my first thought as well, but I doubt it. Just a typoq

181. Aurore - January 28, 2012

“That was my first thought as well, but I doubt it. Just a typoq”
_________

Yes. I know.

But, on a thread about evolving script, I felt like being “creative”.
So, starting a rumor seemed like a good idea…

The blame lays on Mr. Quintoq.

:)

182. Dee - lvs moon' surface - January 28, 2012

#178… OK!

183. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 28, 2012

Re the Star Trek game being designed to be played on XBox-360 and PS3 and having Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto doing voice-overs for the Kirk and Spock characters –

Is this still happening? I have also been under the impression that the games would be available (in the US) around about June 2012.

184. Dee - lvs moon' surface - January 29, 2012

#183. Keachick…

I have no idea what happened with this information … I have filed the two original articles about it … TRH’s article and the article of tgdaily.com … But AP is saying to us ignore the article of tgdaily.com, at least …

Why is it so difficult to get real information about everything that refers to Trek sequel?….. Why???…. :-) :-)

185. jeannieSpock - January 29, 2012

Regarding Benadict Cumberbach. Did anyone notice the startrek references in ‘The Hound of the Baskervilles’ episode of the of ‘Sherlock’?.
The lensflares, the ‘Brewery’ engine room, the medic who is in love with Sherlock (Nurse Chapel) and Watson even called him ‘Spock’ in one scene.
2 weeks after it aired it was announced that Cumberbach would be in StarTrek. Someone was giving us hints I believe.
I bet JJ is mad that he didn’t get him in 2009 when he was first casting for Spock. Quinto is OK but not really ‘brilliant’ and doesn’t really have the class of Nimoy. However, Cumberbach, a much better actor, would have given a fabulous new set of dimensions to the character. Wouldn’t it be great if they cast him as the ‘evil’ Spock (from TOS Mirror Mirror)!! Uhmm – let’s see.

186. N - January 29, 2012

Nah, Quinto is the perfect Spock.

187. Spock/Uhura Fan - January 31, 2012

@#186

Very true. And a gorgeous one at that :-)

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