Bryan Fuller & Bryan Singer Talking About Teaming Up For Star Trek TV Show February 3, 2012
by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Trek on TV , trackback
Of course much of the talk here focuses on the new Star Trek movies, but we here at TrekMovie never forget that Trek was born (and can be argued, was at its best) on television. Over the last few years many have talked about a desire to bring Trek back to TV, and now its being reported that two of these Hollywood hotshots (both named Bryan) are thinking of teaming up.
Report: Fuller and Singer considering teaming up for new Star Trek series (but don’t expect anything soon)
TrekMovie has previously reported that both Bryan Singer (director of X-Men, Valkyrie, producer for House) and Bryan Fuller (writer for Star Trek Voyager, creator of Pushing Daisies, Wonderfalls and Dead Like Me) have both (separately) shown interest in bringing Star Trek back to the small screen. As it happens the two fans of Star Trek are working together on a reboot of The Munsters (now titled Mockingbird Lane) for NBC.
And now AICN is reporting that the two have "discussed the possibility of pooling their resources to take a new corner of Gene Roddenberry’s multiverse to the small screen."
It is interesting to learn that the two are now thinking about Star Trek together. That being said, it appears that there are currently no plans at CBS to bring Star Trek back to TV in the short term. Indications are that such a project would not even be considered until after the release of two Star Trek films from JJ Abrams, if not three.
Star Trek fan and director Bryan Singer’s cameo in "Star Trek: Nemesis" (2002
The previously reported approaches for the two regarding Star Trek have been very different. In 2005 and early 2006, Singer was involved in a plan to pitch CBS & Paramount on a new show set in the year 3000 with a Federation in turmoil trying to return to the glory days (see TrekMovie exclusive details on "Star Trek Federation"). That plan was shelved before pitching to CBS once it was announced in 2006 that JJ Abrams would be making a new Star Trek feature. Also, in 2007 Singer told TrekMovie that his schedule really didn’t have room for a Star Trek TV show. Fuller has also spoken a few times about his desire to return to the world of Star Trek on TV. A couple of years back TrekMovie spoke to Bryan Fuller about his idea for a show, which he envisioned would be set in the new movie universe, but not on board the USS Enterprise.
There are a lot of challenges for bringing Star Trek back to television. Genre shows have always struggled on network TV. In addition, a space-based sci-fi series is a costly endeavor. This cost issue is what has kept LucasFilm from moving forward on plans for a live-action Star Wars TV series (recently revealed to be titled Star Wars: Underworld), although they hope to be able to make it work sometime this decade. And then there are the multiple parties involved, with CBS owning Star Trek on TV, but Paramount owning assets and rights related to the new Star Trek films (which would be needed if a series was set in that universe).
With such an expensive, complicated and potentially risky endeavor, it is certain that CBS would want some big name creative talents behind the show like Singer and Fuller, so that could only help to make it happen.
Bryan Fuller at Comic-Con – could be teaming up with Singer for Star Trek pitch
I want my Trek TV
I have often said that television is where Star Trek is at its best, and so I am hopeful this project grows into something. And there are others in Hollywood who would be interested in bringing Star Trek back to TV, including former Star Trek: Enterprise runner Manny Coto (currently working on Dexter). However, with the new movies going at Paramount, I know that Trek on TV will likely have to wait. One caveat to that, is an animated series. I think, like with Star Wars: The Clone Wars, such a show could be used to tie in with the new movies and tell stories between films (not unlike the new Star Trek ongoing comic books). Star Trek co-writers Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman have talked about such a project, but there has been no real talks so far to make it happen.
TrekMovie will continue to monitor this and anything related to Star Trek returning to TV.
POLL: How do you want your Trek TV?
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I’m in. i think after watching my fill of netflix star trek i am ready for new episodes. i prefer it take place in the tng/ds9/voy era. may 8 years after nemesis happened. no new universe
after Trek 3 then yeah id like a new series – Trek 3 out 2014 or 2015 then a new tv show around 2016 (50th anniversary!)
surely tv SFX will be near movie quality in the next 5 years
Steve-o…I am in too. But I am a serious original series fan. I would dig a series with the orginal crew, but modernized.
Steve-O, when is your next movie coming out?
I’d be willing to see what they could come up with!
They’ve both have had interesting ideas for a new TV show, which I’ve found fascinating. I’m sure the two of them can come up with an exciting Star Trek TV show, regardless of era and universe (although I wouldn’t mind a return to TNG-era, post-Nemesis, prime universe…)!!
@1 i think Prime trek is pretty well covered with 5 tv shows and 10 movies
and no more TNG era (unless its the TNG era of the alternate universe) – heh maybe they could reboot TNG
Whatever happened to syndicated sci-fi/fantasy shows? They used to be a staple of Saturday nights on local TV in the ’90s.
I would be all in for it. I hope these guy’s can make it so.
what about a tng era, that takes place in the new universe?! i just got tired of hearing people bitch about prequel continuity with ENterprise. lol
*gets really excited*
“such a project would not even be considered until after at the release of two Star Trek films from JJ Abrams, if not three. ”
*totally let down*
I guess it’s better than nothing, but saying a new Trek TV *might* be considered in 4 or 5 years doesn’t really mean much. I can only hope that the 50th Anniversary inspires people to get Trek back on TV.
@ 6. Orb of the Emissary. AGREED!
I would prefer a show which takes place in the original universe but after the Voyager/Nemesis era. There is no need to use the alternate universe for the cool effects and great action if that were the case. Moving into the future past Voyager would offer the opportunity to bring in new technologies and advancements which would make it very cool in itself.
I am hoping it will not take as long as the 3rd new movie to get a TV series up and running. It would be nice if they were released in tandem simply because of the hype and new fans which the 2009 movie brought in. The 2009 movie had a great turnout for a trek movie, it appealed not only to trek fans but fans of sci fi and action movies. There are people I know who were not fans of Star Trek and are already looking forward to the next movie. If the next movie is a huge success then it will turn even more people over and the anticipation of the 3rd movie AND a new TV series would simply solidify those new found fans and please the long time Trek fans.
#2
If the next Trek film is coming in 2013, don’t count on Trek 3 (per se) until about 2016 or so.
I’m fine with anything. just want new trek on tv
You know what I’d honestly like to see “converted” for series TV? StarBlazers, aka Space Battleship Yamato. It’s got the right storyline for a great series if redone a la the re-imagined Galactica series. A long story thread, lots of human drama, potential for battle and effects, etc.
I saw the movie not long ago — got the Blu-Ray; well worth seeing but seemed rushed because it was a season’s worth of show crammed into a 2 hour movie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bmkBAFuL5M
I would bet on an Animated Trek being greenlit first.
Let’s face it, Trek NEEDS to be on TV. There is simply no way you can have the kind of character sketch pieces Trek is known for during a 2 hour movie. Trek is in the characters, the details. Even if this effort falls through, I hope we’ll see the Enterprise on our home screens soon.
Definitely TNG era, post Nemesis. Hands down. There’s so much more story to tell there.
Star Wars: Underworld will be the litmus test. If that is successful CBS will jump all over getting Trek back on the small screen. Until then, don’t hold your breath…..
A future incarnation of the new universe by necessity limits the earlier adventures. How could Vulcan be hypothetically destroyed in Star Trek V for example if it’s still about in TNG? The point of Paramount’s new universe is to blast that convoluted history away!
Quite honestly, if CBS tries to muscle in on Paramount’s nascent revived franchise it’ll be lawyers at dawn!
added poll on universe
I’d love to see another Star Trek series, but I think it is hugely unlikely. Trek only returned to television in 1987 because of the untapped potential of the syndication market, where Paramount saw a way to make a profit on what would be an unquestionably expensive show outside of the restrictive network environment. That market is today all but gone, the void filled by cable networks like USA, FX, and TNT, but due to market fragmentation none of those networks have anywhere near the capital or audiences to justify a new first-run Star Trek series. Only the big networks (and even then, probably only Fox and CBS) really have the resources to try. But CBS has no need for an expensive risk like Star Trek Series 6, and they’re unlikely to hand the franchise to a competitor (ABC’s and NBC’s repeated failures in genre television make them unlikely to be interested, anyway.) Another possibility would be HBO, Starz or Showtime, but that would introduce a whole bunch of problems in reaching Star Trek’s intended audience. I just don’t see it happening, sad to say.
Definitely the original universe, post-Nemesis. Actually, they’d never do it but I’d love if they pretended Nemesis didn’t happen. Or the events of Trek09. Just set it 10 years after Nemesis would’ve occurred.
As much as I would love to see a continuation of Prime DS9, I think a new TV Trek would be far more succesful if it piggybacked on the back of the success of the new movies and was set in that universe. Otherwise the non die hards might switch off to it.
I think Trek can excel on the small screen as long as the right people are behind it (Duh!)….and I see no reason why it can’t be done at the same time as the movies.
Prime Unvierse ;) and link with tne Movies 2009-2013
Always thought that the post TUC era was the ripest for exploration. Still have a frontier aspect, not all magic-box replicator tech, and also you have plenty of intrigue going on at the end of century 23. Plus you have the whole Harriman scenario, earning the Enterprise name back to where it was before he lost Kirk.
I found the categories confusing. I voted Prime U, but by that I meant TOS’–missing years or some such. I’d be just as happy with JJ-verse. I loved Picard and Data, liked Janeway and the doc., but the best of Trek, for me, is Kirk, Spock, McCoy.
It’d be worth waiting several years to get a good new Trek series on TV.
I’m curious as to why the costs must be such an obstacle. Has Battlestar Galactica not been a success? –BSG gives the viewer more to chew on in one show than TOS offered in a season, but much as I enjoy it, and like several of the characters, none of the characters or their relationships resonate for me as my favorite threesome have.
I’d like to see the fall out of the destruction of Romulus in the prime universe. Maybe set it 10 or 20 years later. That way you could have guess stars from TNG, DS9 and Voyager pop up from time to time.
I would like to see either one of the following if this actually ever goes forward:
-An animated anthology series featuring stories from across the Trek universe. Prime, mirror, reboot universes all included in various mini-series style story arcs. An “Enterprise” Romulan War mini-series, followed by a “Titan” one, followed by a “DS9″ story, followed by a “Kelvin” one, etc. A great way to use the voice talent pool of former casts, as well as cover up for their present ages.
-A live action series set either on the Kelvin or on the Enterprise C. I think a story that is eventually leading to the doom of the ship which we all know is coming would make for some very imaginative story telling & give fans more history for a ship & crew that has peaked our interest in the past.
But regardless of mine or any fan’s idea of what a new Trek series should be, all I really want is new Star Trek on my TV every week.
The drought has been long & painful for all of us.
Prime Universe all the way, its my preferred universe and will always be my Trek.
I wish we could get some soft of confirmation from CBS that they wont do a new Trek TV Series until after the second or third movie? Does anyone know if the movies will end at number 3 or go beyond that? I think splitting up Paramount into two separate divisions was a mistake. It’s too confusing. I think they they would be able to talk to each other better as one. Especially with Trek. I wonder if now CBS has to wait to get permission from Paramount to greenlight a new Trek TV series?
Trek was on TV for 18 years straight from when I was 12 until I was 30. I grew up on Trek and had gotten used to it always being on. Now I watch it on Netflix and have watched the entire series’ of Voyager, DS9, and working through Enterprise now. After 7 years I’m ready for another series.
BUT….I do not want it in the new movie universe. We live in an age of too many remakes/rehashes and I’m all about doing something fresh and new….IN the prime universe, which is the universe I’ve grown to love in the past 2 decades.
I don’t think you have to do TOO far into the future. In fact, you can successfully blend the two franchises together by developing a story about how the Federation has to help pick up the pieces of a devastated Romulan Empire post destruction of Romulus where there is now a fundamental shift in power in the quadrant (a term used so many times in the shows) and how that shift plays out. Possibly the Kilingons agressively take advantage. Oh wait….isn’t this the storyline of ST:O? hahah….perhaps they are on to something!
Also I know this article says Orci and Kurtzman were interested in an animated Trek TV series but what about Orci and Kurtzman for a live action Trek TV series?
Anthony:
You wrote: “One caveat to that, is an animated series…”
A caveat is a warning, such as the phrase ‘Caveat Emptor,’ or ‘Buyer Beware.’
Your sentence implies Paramount/CBS should steer clear of a new animated series, whereas the rest of the paragraph says otherwise.
You could say “One thing they could consider is an animated series” assuming that was your point.
Here endeth the lesson.
Really – I don’t want anything else “reenvisioned” or “reimagined” or “rebooted”. And I certainly don’t want ANOTHER series set in the TNG/DS9/VOY era. Something running parallel to TOS or the original cast movies might be cool. I mean – Starfleet is only one portion of the Federation. What about all those colonists that kept getting wiped out by the alien probe of the week? Does the Federation have a spy organization like the CIA? Might be interesting to explore some of those stories. And maybe it should be a something with a season-long story arc instead of so episodic.
I hope that something will come out of this new plan. Over the past years, many people came forward with their own ideas on how to bring Star Trek back.
J. Michael Straczynski, the creator of Babylon 5, put forward his idea in this 14 pages outline in cooperation with Bryce Zabel, creator of Dark Skies, back in 2004
Star Trek: Re-Boot the Universe
http://bztv.typepad.com/newsviews/files/ST2004Reboot.pdf
What I liked most in this outline the idea of placing a “mystery at the very core of the Star Trek universe”. To not just have your usual mission of the week, but an outreach plot throughout the series.
In any case, I hope someone at CBS will make the call soon & not wait until the second or third movie are out.
The lack of a space based TV series, should make it easier to greenlit a new Star Trek series in the prime universe now.
No children, no robots (androids, rock beings, etc.) More realistic uniforms and fleets of ships.
I’d prefer the 24th century (TNG post NEM/DS9/VOY era) and wouldn’t even mind an animated series set whenever, but I will leave the ideas up to these two guys. Making it in a different era (not necessarily a different universe, timeline, whatever) than the current movie franchise would make it possible to run them at the same time. This is important to me because as everyone here knows JJA is slooooow at bring out his Trek films. TNG/DS9/VOY each had an ensemble cast that works much better on TV than in the movies. Let JJA and Co. handle the films and the Two Bryans handle the TV end of it. I would actually prefer an annual Trek miniseries.
Mongo think Star Trek on TV good. Mongo think that should be like TNG was to TOS.
Take place in Prime Universe. Take place 80-100 year after bad nemesis movie. Take place on Enterprise ship.
New crew new adventure. Focus on explore. Maybe whole rest of galaxy. Maybe start to explore outside galaxy. Maybe explore different universe or dimension. But make show be place to show what it mean to be human.
Even if some character not human.
#26… Yeah!… ;-) :-)
I’d like to see a series set in the Prime Universe, but to freshen it up a little, set it a few years after the TNG era. I notice that people liked the last film because it freshened up the franchise. Well back in ’87 TNG did the same thing. It worked, why not do it again. Perhaps 70 years, which would allow for a few cameos by certian characters (Vulcans and other long lived species for example. Geordie copying Scottys transporter buffer trick might be pushing it). That said any era would be great, if it were set in the new timeline I’d probably sulk for a while but I’d still watch. Most importantly is that any new series it written and cast well and in the spirit of star trek (ok bag
of worms because every person has their own idea of what that spirit is!j
Which universe? Don’t care. As long as its intelligent, exciting and (at least a tad) provocative, I’m there. And after what Fuller delivered with the exquisite PUSHING DAISIES his return to Trek is something I’d absolutely love to see!
Decades of Trek now and more to come!!
As the song goes-
‘There before and now once more I’m bouncing around the room!’ ;-)
If its true, its the best damn news I have heard in a long time.
#22
I believe Battlestar was considered pretty successful on Syfy, even if it only ran 4 seasons. It had Ron Moore at the helm……woah….could you imagine him teaming up with the 2 Bryans? That would be one heck of a show!
#27
I think if you tried to go into a “past” era between ST6 and ST7, you’d run into all the continuity issues and complaints you had with Enterprise. You become too confined in your story telling because you have to make sure you not only need to conform to past events, but future events as well. I say post everything, so that you can open up the storytelling and not worry how it ties to future events.
If memory serves, it wasn’t so long ago that Bryan Fuller announced his desire to return to Trek and that he had an idea for a series. I wonder if this potential series is that idea.
In any case I want them to start tomorrow. You know, after a good night’s sleep.
I agree with #42.
Prime universe, set after TNG. In essence, a NEXT Next Generation. I’d say maybe 40-50 years, which would still allow plenty of time for change, and allow cameos from TNG/DS9/VOY cast if wanted (of course ENT cast could appear via holograms/recordings as well, like Cochrane in Broken Bow).
The tricky question is how to make the series unique. TOS was the original, TNG jumped ahead in time to a new era, DS9 set the story primarily on a station, VOY showed a journey home in the depths of the unknown, and ENT showed the origins of Star Trek connecting it to our near future. A new series would need to have some kind of quality that makes it worthy of our attention and not just a retread of the past (much like seasons 1 & 2 of TNG mostly retreaded TOS concepts, and seasons 1 & 2 of ENT retreaded TOS and TNG too much).
Oh I see Fuller’s Trek wish is mentioned in the article. How did I miss that?
I’ve said it before and I will say it again: MANNY COTO…. Star Trek is at it’s best on TV. ST movies tend to revolve around a bad guy. The TV show (TOS) made you think. No technobabble, just pretty straight forward story telling. Bring it on!
Most fans believe the best iterations of TREK do not require fleets of ships and space battles/jaw-dropping planetscapes, but good characters and storytelling.
It’s easy to get caught up in space-battles. They take up time, for one, and enhance good stories when well-executed. I prefer a good battle of wits across the viewscreen, though, to just shots of ‘splosions in space.
After 3 movies are done (the movies should always be TOS from now on), a new TV show set in the 24th century original universe; set however many years its been since Nemesis at that time.
We don’t need a TNG reboot. Any future TV series should be something new. TNG is now just one of several spinoffs.
Sometimes I wonder if Trek has already been rebooted enough? I mean they tried rebooting TNG with Voyager and then again with Enterprise and now with the reboot movies. Also what type of new Trek on TV would appeal to a general audience? Would they like something like the Romulan War for an action based Trek?
I think we should have a Star Trek series in homage to Apple and Steve Jobs. So, all the crew will walk around the ship with their iPads, always connected to MSN and Skype (to help current audiences to identify with them), and the ship will be USS Jobs. And of course, every episode would have some bad-ass trying to blow Jobs to bits. *That* will get major ratings! :-P
Just to be clear, inside sources at CBS have told me EVERYONE has pitched CBS for the next Star Trek TV series. Singer and Fuller have no better a shot than Bad Robot or Orci/.Kurtzman or (fill in the blank).
@Thorny, you are nuts if you think a Star Trek TV show is “hugely unlikely”. It is a certainty.
#50 – I think that is not what a general audience would want. Wasn’t one of the reasons that the general audience didn’t like Trek in the first place is that thought it was too intellectual for them and boring with all that technobable?
Loken do you know if CBS is waiting for the third movie is out before considering a new Trek TV series? Does Paramount/CBS not want to oversaturate Trek like they did the last time?
Okay, I will admit that I’m a huge ass kisser when it comes to all things Star Trek. I don’t love everything but like virtually all of Star Trek. That being said, Anthony Pascale has said many times that Star Trek belongs on television. AMEN! Our captain of this website has said on television, more complex stories could be told. AMEN! Yes. The prior five series had deep stories being told. Star Trek is smart science fiction.
CBS owns the television rights. And so far Les Moonves has shown little love for science fiction. First, I think Star Trek should cast a role for his wife Julie Chen. I’m not kidding. He would never cancel a show with his wife in it. Second, do not put Star Trek on CBS. Put it on SyFy (Ugh, I hate that moniker.) or Spike or AMC or TNT. It’s just like when TNG came out. No network nonsense. Syndication was okay.
STAR TREK BELONGS ON TELEVISION.
I don’t see how anyone could argue that Trek wasn’t at its best on television. I like some of the films quite a lot, and founds moments to enjoy in just about all of them. At the very least they’ve always been an opportunity to visit old friends, with the added bonus of a production gloss that can’t be achieved on a TV budget. But I wouldn’t trade all of them put together for “City on the Edge of Forever,” “The Inner Light,” or “The Visitor.”
There is no need for repetition.
No more spinoffs. Start from Scratch.
Ive been saying on here for years that Bryan Singer should be given the reigns of a new star trek series/movie. He is a excellent director and understands the Trek Universe, and what its about.
And I vote post TNG era prime universe
I’m not chomping at the bit for a new series just yet. Maybe after the third rebootverse movie comes out.
These guys keep thinking that if they keep talking to the sf press about doing a Star Trek series that maybe it will happen. That is not the way Hollywood works.
We already have three shows about a version of the Enterprise, 1 show about Deep Space Nine, and 1 on Voyager…. The one subplot that worked well was time travel…… WHY NOT have a Time Ship in the year 3000 that fixes problems set in the prime universe of TOS/TNG/DS9?! Existing footage from the earlier series can be used in this new series! I would LOVE to see such a show, a cross of Trek and Quantum Leap, perhaps! Tweet me if you love this idea!!! :D
Me want Star Trek and Firefly!!!
It absolutely must not be animated, set in the year 3000 or set in the new universe. Why are all the writers so god damn afraid of the canon? If you’re going to write Star Trek then do the research and just make it fit with proper canon. An animated show can’t properly capture Star Trek and we risk the over-the-top storylines of TAS. The new universe is such a cowards way out and besides, it would be far more interesting to see how the quadrant is being affected with the destruction of Romulus at the end of the 24th century.
You could do a new universe reboot of the Next Generation, except leave out baldy, Riker, Troi and the Crushers, and have Sisko as Captain, with Data, Worf, Kira, Georgi, Yar and Odo playing major roles on the Enterprise.
#65
This. Anything that’s well written will succeed. Period. The excuses of obtaining audience through “familiarity” is getting old. You can’t look at the lackluster results of the past Trek movies (sans FC) and blame it on the fact that the audience was growing tired of the current canon. If those movies had been better written I think things would be different right now.
Audiences want fresh and new, but studios/networks are afraid to death of it. Sadly, we live in bad TV/Movie times right now.
I don’t care which universe they would use. Just give us a new ship and crew. That whole exploring strange new worlds thing could be dusted off, too. Been awhile.
I remember this news from last year.
Wasn’t crazy about Singer’s Trek TV idea. Actually NOT a fan of Star Trek returning to TV unless it is something very different from what we’ve had.
Endlessly reiterating the TOS theme with new crews, new ships, new characters, new stories, reminds me of the story of Sisyphus, an adaptation of which would make a good ironic pilot episode for such a “new” series.
If you want that theme, redo TOS, do something completely different connected to the Star Trek universe, or just…leave it alone.
I voted for Prime universe. Love Bob Orci and the new Movies. But want Prime on T.V
I say have it in the prime universe and set just after Spock went into the black hole. Also can deal with the aftermath of the Romulan Destruction.
A show in the reboot universe would be pretty cool, in continuity with the movies and all. I’d like to see it.
I’m not counting on a TOS reboot for TV. If not, then we’ll probably get Star Trek: The Next Next Generation, or some such.
Not what I’d tune in for.
Is it too late for a Capt. Sulu or Capt. Riker series?
Probably…
I’m cool with a new series, but first, I would love to see something special, like a 10-part anthology series. That would be a good way to tell good stories set in the original PRIME timeline, and possibly tell a new story in the Abrams timeline. The stories could also have a common thread (or a macguffin) that ties all the ANTHOLOGY stories together.
Just for fun, this is how I would set it up:
1) and 2) A two part episode, dealing with the Romulan-Federation war, set on board Captain Archer’s NX-Enterprise.
3) An original episode set onboard the (60s style!) USS Enterprise, with Bruce Greenwood as Captain Pike and Zachary Quinto as a young Spock. Recast the female ‘Number One’. Dress them in the original 60s uniforms, and have it set in the PRIME universe, as a true prequel to The Cage.
4) An episode set onboard the USS Excelsior, starring Takie as Captain Sulu, with and Koenig as Chekov (as First Officer). Also have Christian Slater in a role as the ship’s helmsman (he was in Trek 6), and have Tuvok (pre-Voyager) as the Science Officer. Give Uhura a cameo as a Director at Starfleet, giving Sulu orders via viewscreen about the episode’s mission.
5) An episode set onboard the USS Enterprise-B, staring Alan Ruck (Cameron!) as Captain John Harriman. Set it 10 years after Generations, and show Harriman is a seasoned Captain with more confidence. Simply redress the Excelsior bridge set for the Enterprise-B bridge. Give Sulu a cameo, by having him talk to Harriman over viewscreen.
6) Jump to the 24th century; an episode set onboard the USS Titan, with Captain Riker and Troi. Have Wesley Crusher as an officer, and Tuvok (post-Voyager).
7) A DS9 episode.
8) A Voyager episode, focusing on 7 of 9.
9) and 10) Star Trek: Countdown: Film the prequel comic to the Abrams movie, that is set in the PRIME universe. Film it as a two part “prequel” to the 2009 film, and have Nimoy, Stewart, Spiner, Dorn and Burton appear. Tie up the loose ends to the TNG films, and flesh out the new movie more. (Would also be a good way to use the Nero/Klingon footage that did not appear in the film.) At the end of the episode (like in the comic), show that picard and everyone in the prime timeline is still A-OK! ;)
TrekMovie has previously reported that both Bryan Singer (director of X-Men, Valkyrie, producer for House) and Bryan Fuller (writer for Star Trek Voyager, creator of Pushing Daisies, Wonderfalls and Dead Like Me)
Oh god NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Lets get something out in the open….Shatner..Stewart…Dorn..Spiner..Burton..Frakes..are done..lets move on to something new
@Craiger, yes, CBS will wait till after the 3rd JJ film, which should be around the 50th anniversary of Star Trek. :-)
Although it might be confusing for viewers, I don’t see any other reason why the movies and any new series have to occupy the same universe.
Also, if revisiting TNG era is ever done, please do younger Picard on the Star Gazer instead of Picard on the Enterprise D.
Keep any new series in the newly established universe. Stories in the old universe are done. The series should be set after or along side of present Kirk and co’s film adventures. This is where the guts of the new show lies in an evolving Federation.
I want to see Star Trek in the Prime Universe and have Starfleet explore another galaxy. It is time to move beyond warp drive. “Wormhole Drive” is now the new way to travel. In Star Trek the movie, while the refit 1701 engines were still unbalanced, they created a worm hole while moving at warp. so no one should cry we are ripping off Stargate Atlantis on wormhole drive. Also, Kirk’s crew almost went to the Andromeda galaxy. If Star Trek is to go back to exploring and seeking out new life forms and new civilizations, either finish exploring the rest of the Milky Way galaxy and them move to Andromeda or to another popular galaxy that main stream America knows about.
With Singer there would definitely be gay characters. But JJ has a much better record with tv.
What about a prequel to “Enterprise”?
Dunno, I’m not sure they can do one based on Star Trek 09. Maybe a series based on the “Lost Voyages” between STMP and TWOK. Or a revived Phase 2.
Yes,yes,yes,yes!!! :) But soon please!! Before JJ’s end-of-the-world show becomes real!!!
Loken, Does Paramount only plan on doing a Trek movie trilogy or would they countine on with the reboot movies? If so I guess we wont be seeing a new Trek series until 2018? I could imagine the CGI effects then.
I want to see a new series indeed. I wouldn’t mind one set in JJ’s alternate universe, even on another ship, as long as its consistent, and we get to see this universe’s version of events that were mentioned in TOS but we never got to see, unfold.
I would also really like to see a series set in the prime universe, that is sort of a prequel to TNG, and a bridge from the end of the TOS/Movie era. That of course meaning that I want to see Jean Luc Picard’s legendary 22 year period as Captain of the U.S.S. Stargazer unfold on the TV screen.
After 5 series and over 500 hours of televised Trek i think it’ll be hard to make a show that isn’t just treading the same old ground and concepts that the previous series have covered ad naseum.
If they make a new show it’ll need to be radically different in concept to what’s come before if its going to hold people’s interest. Alien of the Week or Spatial Anomaly #247 just won’t cut it (That’s why Enterprise died an early death).
If they can bring something truly new to the franchise then I’m all for it, but if they don’t then I don’t think they should bother because it’ll be creatively stale and bankrupt. And that’s a one way ticket to early cancellation.
JP – Great post! I think that sums up how or if Trek comes back to TV.
I’m so in need of new Trek TV, if they could get Manny Coto & a great writing team that an come up w/ new ideas I think would be great. But I really don’t believe that Trek on CBS or another network would work, I wonder how fast Star Wars: Underworld will lose an audience & be cut. I think it would have to be on cable (not Syfy since they don’t have actual sci-fi shows anylonger!) Like a USA or TNT or something.
I personally thought that Singer’s and Rob Burnett’s idea for a new Trek series was pretty spot on. It could use some tweeks, but it understood what Rick Berman didn’t…that the storytelling model for tv had moved on past TNG. Time to move on with it.
As for those who think Trek won’t ever return to tv again….c’mon. It is only a matter of time. No, it won’t be syndicated, because that market is dead. And it won’t be a network because as many have pointed out, the big four networks just don’t do genre stuff. It almost never works there. Where genre material thrives is on cable. And that is where Trek belongs now. F syndication and F the networks. So 20th Century.
But the Bryans need to WAIT. Let the Trek movies be on their own for awhile while the movies are running. It has only been seven years since Enterprise ended an 18 year run of constant Trek on tv. As others have pointed out, 2016 is the perfect time to return to tv…it’s Trek’s 50th, by then I imagine the movies will have a trilogy under their belt, AND it will be cheaper to produce. Best to not rush this.
37. Ahmed Abdo – February 3, 2012:
“J. Michael Straczynski, the creator of Babylon 5, put forward his idea … in cooperation with Bryce Zabel, creator of Dark Skies, back in 2004
Star Trek: Re-Boot the Universe
http://bztv.typepad.com/newsviews/files/ST2004Reboot.pdf
What I liked most in this outline the idea of placing a “mystery at the very core of the Star Trek universe”.
Ahmed, thanks for posting that link. How sad that it didn’t happen. I also loved their idea for the “mystery,” and I think they got it right about Trek/TOS’ success. The new movies are a great consolation, but like many fans, I think Trek is best on TV.
At #91
“Enterprise” didn’t fail because of its stories. It failed because it was on a crap network, never really given a chance by Paramount, and because a small but highly vocal group of Trek fanboys decided that they were going to hate it because they didn’t get the series “they” wanted to see, and took their needless and unjust bashing to the internet, making the show seem like it was less popular than it really was amongst the Trek fans, and in the process ruining it for everyone else. This sort of bickering among the fans is one reason why the general audiences think Trek is for nerds/geeks/etc, and won’t give it a look no matter how good it is. George Lucas recently had similar remarks to say about some of the Star Wars fans.
And as far as retreads of older stories goes, that has been the norm in all of TV and Movies for a long while now. All possible ideas and plot elements since the birth dawn of TV and movies, and even since the dawn of writing, have already been told and there is nothing really new to tell or do. Everything is always going to be a rehash/retread/recombination of plots/stories/etc, that have already been used over and over. I’m not speaking of only Trek here, but all forms of entertainment in general.
The 24th century era is a hot potato that no studio could bank on. 20 years of that particular “take” on the Trek universe wore out it’s welcome with interest dwindling to near nothing by the time Nemesis rolled around. For a studio to even entertain the idea of bringing Trek back to television, the series would need to ride the coat tails of the awareness…and fondness, the new movie has generated. Something completely different runs the risk of alienating everyone… but another crew, aboard a another starship… in the universe created by JJ and company, is both timely and familiar to those desirable demographics the studios cater to. But I don’t see JJ letting others play in his universe…at least not until the movie run is over. I would love to see Trek back on TV in full 1080 HD glory, but I don’t think it will happen any time soon.
The conventional wisdom says you can’t do the TV show while you are showing movies in the theater because it will dilute the audience. What?
With four years between movies, there’s plenty of pent up demand for ST to tap.
The conventional wisdom says a sci-fi show is too expensive. But the fans have been making movies in their parent’s basement for years. And Star Trek on TV is a different animal than in the movies. TOS and TNG were basically taking heads anyway, so how expensive is that?
The conventional wisdom says we need new stories set in a distant future but within the Trek universe. So if there are no recognizable characters from the old series (aside from the occasional long-lived Vulcan) why even bother calling it Star Trek? It becomes then STINO (ST in name only).
Hey Paramount, you’ve got three generations of the most loyal fans in the history of the moving image, so throw us a bone! Please keep at least one foot rooted in some part of either the TOS or TNG timelines.
The conventional wisdom says the audience is fragmented. Fragmented? Star Trek fans? In the 1980′s, when there were several franchises running at the same time and there were movies, Star Trek’s audience was about 30,000,000 per week (globally.) What kind of cable show pulls in those numbers today? Even by network standards that’s healthy.
A cable show like “Inside the Actors Studio” pulls in about 400,000. Maybe “Top Chef” a million or so. Even 20% of Star Trek’s old audience would be a blow-out.
Too bad all media is ruled by those who believe in the conventional wisdom and the only people who need to be pleased are shareholders.
If visionaries had listened to the conventional wisdom we would not have Apple computers, Amazon.com, “Star Trek,” “2001:A Space Odyssey,” the Impressionists, Beethoven or America.
#96
Nemesis failed at the box office because it was released at a stupid time against serious competition, and it involved a thinking persons story that was deeper and more philosophical in a classic literature sense, as well as darker than many fans were comfortable with. And again the “never will be pleased” fanboys took their bashing to the net and made the movie seem less popular than it ended up being. There was nothing really wrong with the movie. It was a good thought provoking and emotional story about human behavior.
The rest of what you said, I do mostly agree with.
At #97
Well said!!!
Nemesis tanked because it was a TERRIBLE MOVIE.
There was everything wrong with the movie. It was a painfully obvious attempt to rip of TWOK, right down to the ‘best character sacrifices himself to save ship’ moment.
And the ‘Data is dead, but there’s a new character for Brent to play in the next movie’…..what an insult to the fans.
New TV Trek series – great!! Of course this means banning JJ Abraams from the set!
Don’t care. More Trek, Please!
Especially w/ an awesome brain trust like Singer & Fuller!
Love 2 C more Starfleet Academy!
@ 99: Ditto!
If Bryan Singer’s involved? Don’t hold your breath.
He’d been promising Battlestar Galactica fans a revival since 1998. Even after the brilliant Ron Moore version ended in 2009, Singer dredged up his idea for a BSG movie. As of last year, he was huffing and puffing about it, but now? It’s dead (again; this makes three times he’s promised a new BSG project). ST fans? Don’t wait up.
Something shinier will turn up (like another movie project) and he’ll forget all about Star Trek. Just like he did with BSG (three times).
“Star Trek” is a science fiction television show that combines exploration, humanism and theories of futurism and science. It’s a show that can spend an hour following around a nebulous alien-space cloud and watching a crew of resourceful, courageous individuals solving the riddle posed by such a being.
I agree with Anthony- television is Trek’s first, best destiny. The movies (original crew, TNG, and now Abrams) are great spectacle and worth being made, but we will not get these experimental, thought-provoking stories in a $130 million tentpole film. Trek needs TV. TV needs Trek. I hope whatever the concept, it allows the series to return to form. Incidentally, Battlestar Trek (which Singer’s story sounds like) is not what I’m hoping to see.
45. The Chad…
Universal/Sci-Fi Channel lost their shirts on BSG. It had one year of decent ratings and a lot of awards, and then was a money pit. That’s why it was canceled.
54. Loken…
I wish I were wrong, but I’m not. Another Star Trek television series is a pipe dream. Television is all about money, and there is no way Trek will earn a profit, even if a network can be persuaded to fund it… and after “Enterprise” that’s hugely unlikely. The CBS/Paramount complexities are just another nail in Trek’s TV coffin. Sad to say, it isn’t going to happen.
@99 Thanks for your support.
Sometimes I wonder if I’m totally off-base, but if I were running Paramount, I think I’d want to make money for the company. Isn’t Star Trek an easy way to do this? As Nimoy and Shatner discussed in “Mind Meld,” Star Trek merchandising alone is a billion dollar industry. Still.
#95: Tom, I respectfully disagree. I think its stories were exactly why it failed. It was the same style and content as Voyager. Which might have worked out if more time had passed between them. But given how soon ENT followed VOY it was “too much of a muchness”.
I’ve seen Enterprise’s failure blamed on the premise, the theme song (who cares about the theme song?!?), etc… I don’t think any of that ever matters as long as the stories are fresh and strong. And that is where I feel the fault lied with Enterprise.
p.s. and truth be told I actually liked the theme song…
Not another universe. Unless it’s the Mirror Universe in which case that could be fun, evil for the sake of evil characters, that yellow pattern on a ship with more weapons than windows…but then too much MU could spoil it.
But then there’s a problem isn’t there…Prime (and best) Universe has longevity, a devoted fanbase and arguably some of the best storytelling of the past 50 years to ride on but the Alternate Reality (can we give it another name like Universe B or something?) has the potential to grab a wider audience which could lead it to make more money.
I like XI I’m not one of the new Trek haters, but I just don’t think it’s solid enough to last as long.
I’ve said it before but I want a series on one of them 29th century timeships, the Wells class is a wonderful design, imagine the possibilities…
I also think a new series faces the same challenge the new movies do and that’s appealing to a broader audience than the ever more fractured (and shrinking) core Trek fanbase. Make a series that is too “inside baseball” and it’ll have a tough time generating the kind of ratings it’ll need to have legs.
97. VulcanFilmCritic – February 3, 2012:
Well said. I share your Trek passion, but I suspect we lack the insider information which has meant doom for tele. Trek for too long.
I love how people rip the new movies in one breath, then talk about using the destruction of Romulus for a new “prime” trek storyline…
I hated the destruction of Romulus thing, it worked for that one story but for the future of the universe…that and the daft red ball :P
Then again, it could be just as easy to believe that that was never the Prime Universe, just the future of the Alternate Reality and it was all just a pre-destination paradox contained within that one universe.
For the next TV series, I would like to see a reboot of a hybrid of TGN and DS9 within the new Trek Universe. I would set it aboard the Enterprise, but would remove the characters of Picard, Riker, Troi and the Crushers, and have Sisko as Captain, with Data, Worf, Kira, Georgi, Yar and Odo playing major roles on the Enterprise. I would also completely redesign the awful looking “pregnant guppy” TNG enterprise into something much more representative of 24th century technology.
“Universal/Sci-Fi Channel lost their shirts on BSG. It had one year of decent ratings and a lot of awards, and then was a money pit. That’s why it was canceled.”
Bullshit. The decision to call it quits the fourth year was entirely that of the producers. While BSG was never a ratings powerhouse, it garnered a great deal of critical praise and attention to a network that had primarily been known for running old genre shows that no one much cared for in the first place (e.g. “The Invisible Man”) and schlocky TV movies-of-the-week. Sci-Fi’s execs would have delighted to have the show go on for another year or two, but Ron Moore and David Eick decided that the story had properly run its course. I disagreed with a number of things they did with the show that final year, but putting a period on the series while it still seemed relevant wasn’t one of them.
(“Caprica,” on the other hand, was very unceremoniously canceled after its first season, due to low ratings. Meanwhile, the finished “Blood and Chrome” prequel pilot sits on the shelf while the Sci-Fy brass decide what to do with it.)
Which brings us back to the notion of a (yet another) new Trek series. As a lifelong fan my first impulse (Pavlovian reflex?) is to support such an idea–but after hundreds of episodes set in this particular fictional universe, does the concept (whether set on a starship, or a space station, in the Milky Way Galaxy or halfway across the cosmos) have anything new and relavant to say to today’s audiences, while somehow remaining faithful to the spirit of the original? I’d like to think so, but after the 2009 movie color me pretty skeptical.
13 episodes with Shatner, Nimoy and William H Macey (substituting for Kelly).
Start off with an event aboard the enterprise to honor these three men when something happens that takes the 13 episodes to resolve. Kirk must eventually retake control of the enterprise with he is initially reluctant to do in order to save the universe.
I’d watch that.
The following series can be where we are now used to the new crew as they take over from there.
#115: “The decision to call it quits the fourth year was entirely that of the producers. ”
That was a piece of spin-doctoring that was put on it to save face.
I love the new BSG passionately, but you’re crazy if you buy into that little piece of studio PR.
@118. As much as I hate to agree with Dexter (Michael Hall), he is 100% correct. It was completely the producers call to end BSG when they did. And it felt like the series had run its course by then — it didn’t seem like they needed another season. Good call by the producers of BSG.
V just flamed out, and you really are not going to find anyone willing to cough up 3MM an episode for another visit to the TNG or ENT universe. Network TV is dying, and they are going to try to get the most band for their buck, which usually means reality broadcasting.
Warehouse 13′s doing quite well for itself, if the writers of that made a Prime Universe Trek series…world peace happens.
@116 “13 episodes with Shatner, Nimoy and William H Macey (substituting for Kelly).”
LOL
@120. If Network TV is dying, then why are 95% of the top rated shows in the Nielsen Ratings on the three major networks? It may be a trendy pop culture statement to say that network tv is dying, but that is simply not reality.
As long as Rick Berman isn’t within a light-year of the production, any new Trek they come up with will be fine with me.
#123
Good point. Plus, if network TV is in such bad shape, why are its stars (such as pre-”winning” Charlie Sheen) making so much money? Someone has to be watching in order for the networks to justify those enormous salaries.
Creativity in television though—well, that does seem to be on life support.
#115. Michael.
Agreed. Well said. ;-)
123, MJ…
Uh, what else would the Neilsen ratings be rating?
It is very much reality that Network TV is dying. Just look at the ratings of the Top 10 shows in, say the 1980s compared to today. “The Cosby Show” was pulling ratings of 34 million a night for a few years. Today’s top scripted show, “NCIS” gets barely half that. But the cost of making these shows has not gone down, they’ve gone up, that’s a lot fewer people watching the Top 10 shows today, and a lot less the networks can charge their advertising customers. The networks are dying. One (The CW) will be gone within a few years. Another (probably NBC) will be defunct (or radically changed) shortly thereafter.
Bryan Singer?
Good God No!
The man personally screwed up the Superman franchise relaunch!
Don’t let him anywhere near Trek!
This guy couldn’t direct traffic!
Not crazy about the Straczynski plan either.
@128 He’s good with X Men though, I mean First Class is better than XI.
Check this out: Cosimo Fusco has a very Ricardo Montalban-ish Khan look. Even sounds like him.
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2702607872/nm0299289
Yes?
I guess STO will be my TV series for now
I say a new show should take place in another galaxy. Away from the Federation, in a totally unexplored part of the universe. A Federation starship is somehow swept/pulled into an anomaly leading to a foreign galaxy. The anomaly disappears, stranding the ship in a totally different and truly alien part of the universe. There is no way for the ship to get home, so they are forced to survive on their own. By making alliances. Or by living on alien worlds for periods of time.
The concept would be a little bit like “Voyager”, but there wouldn’t be any crutches for easy stories such as the Borg, or any ability to contact the Federation.
We could get to see some totally bizarre aliens unlike anything depicted before, and there would be NO canon to adhere to. It could take place in any century. This concept would force the writers to excercise the old noggin and come up with entirely new aliens, concepts, and stories.
id watch a series done during robau’s time either on his ship (replacing hemsworth with a different actor) or on another ship that would allow you to explore events before and after the narada showed up. its a ripe time for exploration, modern stories, and it’ll allow for the connection to be made to the film(s). i appreciate seeing so much passion in other posts but i just dont see a point in revisiting the post tng era when it seemed like the public and many trek fans had fatigue during ds9, voyager and on. dont get me wrong, i’m a fan and i watched ds9 and voyager and enterprise but speaking candidly, it wasnt all pretty or necessarily really good stuff. ds9 was a mirror for humanity, its flaws and the issue of what war does to us as a whole. voyager seemed like a big ball of technobabble, and enterprise never found its footing until right before it was taken off the air. while tos stories were great, you cant tell stories today the same way. tos brand of storytelling was relevant during its time as was tos films, and tng. they stand out as the best of trek. and i bet if ds9 was on when enterprise was on, the war theme wouldve provided high ratings.
i’m starting to rant…basically, i want trek back on tv, when the time is right. but i’d be happy to continue on in the alt universe with original, smart characters and stories.
@127 “Uh, what else would the Neilsen ratings be rating?”
I guess you have never head or cable/satellite tv??? If the networks were dying, how come very few cable shows compete? You are confusing the downturn in the economy (which is forcing advertising rates down) with the reality that most people still watch a lot of TV. But despite the fact that their are a lot more channels, guess where the shows are most people still watch? On the 3 major networks.
And big deal, so the CW is failing. Can’t recall if I ever have even seen a show on that supposed network. LOL
130.
Uh, Matthew Vaughn directed X-Men:First Class, not Bryan Singer.
oh and sto is why im not a big fan of post tng either. the ship designs all look like a mutated version of the enterprise e. everything is elongated or there’s ‘anti-borg’ armor plating. say what you will about jj’s enterprise but she, the original series ship, the a, b, c and even d say ‘star trek’ when you see them. everything else just feels like they ran out of ideas. the nx-01 included. a new series will need a practically new team to keep things fresh (fresh, not crazy).
@136. Singer produced it though, and the movie was largely his vision.
@137 “oh and sto is why im not a big fan of post tng either. the ship designs all look like a mutated version of the enterprise e. everything is elongated or there’s ‘anti-borg’ armor plating. say what you will about jj’s enterprise but she, the original series ship, the a, b, c and even d say ’star trek’ when you see them. everything else just feels like they ran out of ideas. the nx-01 included. a new series will need a practically new team to keep things fresh (fresh, not crazy).”
Agreed. The Enterprise started going downhill beginning with TNG Enterprise abomination designed by Andy Probert. What is the hell was he thinking???
#139
Would you have preferred Ralph McQuarrie’s version of the Enterprise? Okay, it was for TMP, but still, we could’ve gotten so much worse than Probert.
http://trekmovie.com/images/tmpentmcq.jpg
Talk about YIKES!
No, but here’s an Enterprise I have always wanted to see made real:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B001DYQO4I/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&s=miscellaneous
Bryan Singer would be an excellent choice to helm the TV division of Star Trek. With ‘House’ winding down, he can devote resources to the Franchise. Bryan Fuller has a good record with Trek.
A 30th Century setting would not interfere with the movie franchise in the least. A passing mention of Kirk and Spock and the gang in a new series would not harm the Abrams version in the least. It would be akin to our references to King Arthur- they would be that far removed from that era.
Go for it CBS.
Enterprise X, anyone?
141. MJ – February 4, 2012
I recall that poster in theaters leading up to the release of TMP. I wonder if that had anything to do with the redesign for ‘Phase 2″; I don’t recall seeing that in any books that reference it, however….
My thoughts were like PEB @134, but apparently we’re in the minority.
I think the “sweet spot” is in the new continuity, during the Kelvin era. Everyone liked that part of the last movie. I have not seen a single comment to the contrary.
Unfortunately, I think that Thorny @127 could very well be right, but I also would love to see quality science fiction move to the best dramatic cable networks. HBO or Showtime are the only venues I consider worthy at this point. But for that to happen, the scripts would have to meet the bar set by the best shows on them.
For me, the best point of reference would have to be True Blood, because it’s such an excellent mix of the supernatural with true drama. I would be in heaven to see Star Trek reemerge with that level of writing, but I fear 95% of the fan base would reject it.
Star Trek was once ground-breaking, but now, most fans just want it to remain consistent with its past. It’s like eating at MacDonalds (not that I ever would): the clientele doesn’t expect it to be a five-star meal, as long as a Big Mac always tastes exactly the same as every other Big Mac they had eaten.
I can only really see a totally brand new science fiction series happen on one of the premier cable networks. I’d be wishing them good luck, but not necessarily expecting success.
Oh, and I’d want to see anything Fuller and Singer could put together. I wouldn’t call them a dream team, but I would trust them to do a good job.
Ultimately, however, I’d hope Bad Robot would do it, and they’d be the most competent team to write a new-universe, Kelvin-era TV show.
@133
You are on to something there, I’m a big fan of TNG / DS9, probably because those are the trek I grew up with. But everyone will have their own preferences and having the ship isolated from previous cannon will force it to create its own cannon, that can bring in new fans without making the old one feel leftout (which is where I feel JJ whent wrong).
The important thing is it needs to have good writing staff as thats what made trek.
I do think it shoud be post TNG / DS9 / VOY as Roddenberry was always moving forward with developing the srory. Tng brought the main bad guys, Klingons into being friends, DS9 had the Ferengi become more tolerant of the “humans” and showed the chance of building better relations with the Cardassians. Nemisis showed the start of peace with the Romulans.
For me ST was always about people bettering themselves, dynamic Charaters that grow and develop throughout the show, (Worf showing respect to the Romulans in Nemisis after hating them for so many years, Data constantly becomming more human…etc). A united humanity working together for the sole pourpose of bettering themselves, whithout the corruption of money or corporations (another slip up of JJ showing brands in his movie).
To me any new ST series needs these values to keep it true to what Trek is, rather than generic cameos by people that have done their contribution to the franchise (not that I would mind a few tasteful ones one said series had established itsself). The movies and T.V. series also have always been better seperated from each other, thus each can go on without interfearing with the other.
My last little suggestion is we have had a French captain, a black captain and a female captain, think ots time we had an aloen one (but not a Vulcan, that would be too obvious).
Don’t let Bryan Singer anywhere near Trek. I agree with #128. How many more of the best franchises in the World can this hack screw up.
Unless Abrams and his team take their movies back to the prime universe in a way that sets up a possible TV show set within the 24th Century then the prime timeline is pretty much exhausted of fresh ideas. As much as I love it, there’s no where really left to go without it becoming irrelevant. Abrams universe seems much more in tune with the world today and since that’s what Trek was about, I think remaining in the new universe will offer up far more chances to relate to a new, younger generation that Star Trek could really do with. I think as soon as JJ Abrams has finished with his movies (1, 2 and 3) it should return to the TV screen.
I think an animated series set in the new universe in the same vein as Star Wars: The Clone Wars would be an excellent addition to the Trekverse and broaden Star Trek’s appeal to the all important younger generation.
CBS can chuck all the blu-ray at the 5 original TV series and they still won’t really appeal to a large enough audience comprised of younger fans (15 – 30) coming off the back of the Abrams movie so an animated series followed by, once the movies are wrapped up, a new live-action series would be fantastic.
As for the people leading the TV series… Bryan Fuller yes, Bryan Singer no.
I think JJ Abrams Bad Robot company should really be in control of the creative future of Star Trek – that doesn’t necessarily mean JJ Abrams being involved directly with any more Star Trek but I think his team of people are so much more aware of what kind of TV works in the 21st century than Singer or Fuller.
My Ideal team taking on another new Star Trek TV series would be:
Executive Producers
Roberto Orci
Alex Kurtzman
JJ Abrams
Bryan Burke
Writers
Manny Coto
Bryan Fuller
Tie it in with the final JJ movie and possible animated series, air it on a TV channel that isn’t CBS but a channel that has a far reaching audience.
Finally…
Call it….
Star Trek: The Next Generation
Ok we’ve had this title before but I think it’s a logical progression of the alternate universe! First came Kirk, then comes Picard.
Ideally you’d love Tom Hardy playing Picard, Tom Hiddleston as Data and well who knows who you’d get playing the rest.
We join the crew of the USS Enterprise – D on the continuing missions. Its worked so well with Battlestar Galactica and Star Trek that I think it could work really well with TNG. You could also include some characters from DS9 too and by the time JJ Abrams has finished with the movies, TNG will be as iconic as TOS.
I’d do it. I’d do it like Ron Moore’s Battlestar Galactica and make it something new, fresh and original using the characters that were enjoyed by the then ‘next generation’ of Trek fans.
A Modest Proposal: A Star Trek Anthology Show
The only reason why a new Star Trek has to be set in a particular time frame is because of cost. To save money on sets and a dedicated set of costumes and such. Also you want to hire a particular set of actors who will presumably click with the viewers and voila a hit is born. But maybe this isn’t the proper model for the post-modern era.
Look, you already have a huge universe full of pre-existing characters beloved by all. Why not use them? But not all at the same time. You could zip around from time period to time period, or stick within a particular time period for a season. Starfleet Academy and it’s headquarters would be the only constant “set.” There might also be a Vulcan set and a generic planet set. I guess there are also generic 19th and 20th sets at Paramount. Everything else might be green screened.
Each story could sort of stand alone, as in “The Twilight Zone” but the characters are all linked to the Trek Universe.
The conceit of the show is a reporter or an historian who wants to interview the crew of the Enterprise about their adventures. Each episode would be “narrated” by the particular guest star, rather than having a captain’s log, and would concentrate on that character as it is his or her memories.
The bulk of the action might take place between TOS and TNG, say 10-15 years before TNG at Starfleet. Pick an actor, say Michael Dorn. Ask him about what it was like to be the first Klingon at Starfleet and we flash back to the actual story, mostly acted by a younger version of the TNG crew. Of course some of the TOS folks like Dr. McCoy and Spock are still alive, so you hire actors to play these parts from time to time.
The interviewer could be doing this job over the course of his entire life (and that could be a very long time depending on his species), so he might be interviewing people from other franchises. The only franchise that is sort of off the table, in this model, would be “Enterprise.” Sorry.
By not having a set group of actors, no one could demand huge salaries. It’s more like a rep company. Their contracts would be like those of Walter Koenig. Basically, we will use you when we need you. This keeps costs down.
The risk is that by not having a particular group of actors, we won’t click with them, but we already click with the characters. It’s the stories that get us to watch, not slavish fandom. The stories are about the future, but they are really about us and the human condition. This kind of project requires an enormous amount of writing skill but I think it could be done.
Look, I tune into “Fringe” from time to time and I really don’t care a whit about the actors anymore. I basically don’t like any of them. It’s just the story of an alternate universe that’s interesting.
150. VulcanFilmCritic – February 4, 2012
The logistics of an anthology series of this sort would be staggering. Standing sets is how a series’ cost is defrayed and amortizesd. The bridge of a single ship, the promenade of the space station, the little areas they get to build out as the series progresses, the ‘bottle shows’, having a cast you can depend on and as their characters develop become easier to write for… I thought years ago that an anthology was the way to go as Voyager wound down. Anthologies are too expensive these days unless everyone from the get-go on the acting/ directing side of things agrees to work for less money, [the unions take care of the cost of the rest]. A new ship and a new environment and a new cast every week isn’t conducive to financial success.
I would go for a feature-length movie, or mini-series, on television to send off the Prime Universe. Something the movie after Nemesis could’ve been about. Something like an Undiscovered Country swansong for the 24th Century, with some elements of the 22nd and 23rd in the mix.
A bumpy road to peace being made with the Romulans.
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Film opens in 2387 with scenes involving the destruction of Romulus. Possibly Nimoy back as Spock, if that can be worked out. That’s your big Praxis moment that sets up a chain of events for the rest of the story.
Many years have passed (it’s possibly the eve of the 25th Century) and an older bearded, Admiral Picard is teaching a class at Starfleet Academy about early Federation history. What the organisation is about. Why it exists. Why it came about in the first place.
Next scene with Captain Riker aboard the Titan, on its way to the new Romulan Homeworld – Quirinus*, to provide aid and resettlement… continue peace dialogue with Ambassadors onboard. It’s suddenly attacked and destroyed, while an away team are on the surface.
Picard, seizing the opportunity to get back to being on the Enterprise, rushes a round-up of TNG characters. But some can’t make it… Worf is within the Klingon Empire but promises to provide assistance, at a point near the Neutral Zone. LaForge is Captain of his own Galaxy class, the Challenger and not due back from exploring the Gamma Quadrant for several months.
So the Enterprise-E is pulled out of mothballs and sent out with whoever is available. Admiral Picard advises, with an all-new character as Captain (he’s probably going to die as is the tradition), Miles O’Brien takes over Engineering, Tuvok at Security/Tactical, an EMH in sickbay (maybe the VOY one, since he’s given full rights as an individual) and Deanna Troi, career paths having forced her marriage to Riker apart at this point.
One or more of the Crusher family and B-4 (whether or not, he’s Data) don’t make it aboard in time but are seen briefly in transmissions to the Titan or the Enterprise. Offering assistance, tracking down information and passing it along, in little scenes.
Surviving Titan crewmembers including Riker are being held by the Romulans, and about to publically excuted in a broadcast in front of the whole Star Empire. Diplomacy appears to win through when Picard arrives. A breakway military fraction (possibly led by Sela or a Tomalak figure) having been using the capture of the Starfleet Officers as leverage to meet with the new Romulan goverment and expressly with people from the Federation in attendance. There they present some shocking secret evidence they obtained, that threatens to derail negotations to incorporate the Star Empire into the UFP.
It’s historic footage taken at an event instrumental in the formation of the Federation, depicting a key moment in the Earth-Romulan War. That allows Captain Archer to put in an appearance from two centuries past. He’s shown giving orders to destroy a Romulan flotilla carrying dignitaries trying to broker peace, just days before the Federation charter was signed. (A moment Picard had been showing earlier in class.)
Picard (plus a couple of others advising) are kept in enemy hands and agrees to take part in a trial against the Federation. Some slimy Romulan prosecutor dredges up all the wrongs the alliance of worlds has ever allowed to happen… including the destruction of their homeworld. Various attempts by humans to keep the Vulcans and Romulans apart.
Meanwhile the Enterprise, with Riker in charge has been ordered back into Federation space. The crew (that’s O’Brien, Tuvok, the EMH, among others) race against time and across the quadrant, to bring Picard the proof he needs. Going up against some strong opposition to find what they’re looking for.
There’s a stopover at DS9 to retreive information (for a price naturally) from Quark on the whereabouts of an extremely eldery Andorian, who can provide eyewitness testimony and evidence, needed to sway the Romulans.
They go through the wormhole, to the other side of the Galaxy and the last known place their objective has been living. Meanwhile a few cloaked ships have been secretly monitoring the Enterprise’s investigations – shadowing her all the way on her journey to DS9.
The trial continues with Picard now beginning to defend the Federation’s actions down the years. Always coming down to a prosecution decrying it as history having been rewritten by its human founders.
There’s a clash between the Enterprise-E and (Sela’s or the Tomalak kind of leader’s) Romulan ships, in trying to get back to Quirinus. This is the moment when Captain Geordi LaForge’s ship, the Challenger comes into play. Having made surprise reappearance to join the battle. Still outnumbered, the Galaxy-class is disabled and the E’s survival looking unlikely… they are ordered to hand over their “guest” and his evidence. It’s at this moment, Governor Worf arrives with the Bird of Prey backup he promised.
In the end, Picard is able to provide proof that the historical records about Archer’s actions at the heart of all this, have been forged. For the Andorian brought by the Enterprise-E… is Shran – doing all this to repay one final debt to his long dead ally. More than that to have the upper hand on him.
It’s all been a conspiracy, designed to ensure what’s left of the Star Empire would launch into one final war with the Federation. To keep a once proud empire from joining their Vulcan brothers, on their enemy’s terms.
And in return, the Prateor reveals some classified information concerning Ambassador Spock’s fate. A last recorded final transmission or message received from the Vulcan a lá “The Immunity Syndrome”. From that and the ship’s telemetry, the new mix n’ match Enterprise-E crew are somehow able to determine that Spock survived the supernova which destroyed Romulus, making it through to the other side of the Red Matter black hole created to stop it.
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* Quirinus being the name of a new capital planet survivors fled to in the Romulan Star Empire… Probably not such a catchy name, but it continues a Roman mythical influence – it being the name of a deity Romulus was supposed to have become after his death.
Star Trek Legacy, because it effectively criss-crosses all the generations within the same plot. No time-travel. From a TOS character at the start, to TNG/VGR ones coming together, some unseen ENT to fight over and a dash of DS9. A lot taken from the sixth film, because it’s the perfect example how to do a last hoorah and say goodbye. While I’ve tried not to rely on anything that can’t be shown in the film itself.
I suggested it over in a thread where somebody brought up how they’d handle the last TNG movie. And I had some spare time to organise my thoughts into a story with a beginning, middle and end. Rather than a list of stuff I’d like to see, just to throw out there, in a random order. In-universe motivation to back up how I can pick and choose a few ex-Voyager crewmembers, throwing them on the Enterprise is perhaps sheer fan fiction. But hey, they’re in Starfleet and have to obey when an Admiral comes knocking. I see maybe O’Brien being at a stage in life, Molly all grown up and Keiko off Earth for some reason – able to go running off for one last adventure. The Enterprise-E at one of DS9′s docking pylons is something I’ve wanted to see, while they check in on Quark.
I never felt the TOS was fully explored. TNG or any other iteration felt like a different thing to me than the potential the original series had. It always seemed we veered off of that intended direction.
If they did anything away from the JJVerse, which I don’t care for, then I say go.
#133 Red Dead Ryan ………..Sure why not.
Lets get real here, the next Trek project will be the reboot of TNG – the question is which path it will choose? TV or Movies?
I have always thought a new show based on Star Trek 09 was the best way to go. But from my understanding they cant do it. Could be wrong of course.
I would want to see that show for sure.
If they do a ST09 TV show at least all the sets are made (though they would need a standing engineering set for starters) but I would bet 10 million quatloos that new actors would be cast in the roles as every actor on ST09 would still be pursuing film careers.
Glad to see the ‘Prime Universe’ scenario getting so much love in this vote at the moment.
Personally, I’d prefer to see a CONTINUATION of the ‘Prime’ crew’s original 5-year mission than anything else…but I guess that’s unlikely as these guy’s will probably prefer to over-redesign everything for a whole alternative crew’s shennanigan’s instead. They may as well make a ‘Galaxy Quest’ series if that’s the case…
I just hope they wrap it up with some decently atmospheric music throughout, whatever they come up with, if they get the greenlight.
‘Prime Kirk’ still lives!
I still think that a “Starfleet Academy” series could work on TV. Think of it…
- Hot teens in space
- Every episode a lesson-learning storyline opportunity
- Based at the academy there is an opportunity for endless cast rotation
- Based at the academy there could be a reduced emphasis on space missions and their costly special effects
- Did I mention hot teens in space?????
@152 – that wouldve made a pretty good final TNG movie.
but id have very much liked to have seen Nero wipe out TNG right at the start of ST09… have been cool if theyd sort of tied in with the Countdown comic and at the start wed seen Nero destroy the Enterprise E…..start off straight in with Patrick Stewart and the TNG guys in a desperate battle blown up trying to prevent Nero from stopping Spock Prime before they both get pulled into the blackhole…then the opening credits ‘S T A R T R E K’…..then Kelvin destruction/birth of Kirk (although itd have been bit repetitive having the Kelvin destruction scene straight after)
it wouldve established just how powerful Neros ship was in the face of 24th century Federation technology and really wouldve hammered home just how badass Kirk, Spock etc are in eventually stopping Nero…plus itd have given TNG a proper send off after the lame one in Nemesis and therd have been some revenge there for TNG killing off Kirk Prime!
160. Kind of you to say, but reading all that back a few hours later… perhaps not. Blatant Undiscovered Country rip-off isn’t it? Back to the drawing board.
I can’t say either of those series pitches appealed to be honest. Final Frontier (that cartoon idea) or Singer’s Federation. Just not a fan of pushing everything on into the far-far future. I’d prefer Trek technology to stay recognisable and rooted in the familar.
I guess I’d reboot the 22nd Century, and all those characters from Enterprise… minus the Temporal Cold War. Just about everything that went wrong there, can be put right by removing that aspect and allowing the show to as primitive as fans expected, because there are no factions polluting the timeline with advanced tech.
Rather than an anthology of episodes…. an anthology of unique SEASONS could work, or half-seasons. There are many top actors who would do a 13-episode season, as the commitment would have a limited span and not interfere with movie projects, etc.
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I love anthologies, but if they were more like mini-series, it could be fresh every year.
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Also, if you go far enough in the post-TNG future…. I hereby invoke another part of MWI of QM. The wave functions like to recombine. If you’re in the year 2500, the Prime Universe and Movie Universe might be almost indistinguishable.
What Enterprise started to get right, too late in its run, was delving into the Birth of the Federation. Selected stories before Season 4, mostly the Andorian/Vulcan conflict shows, but too few and far between. There’s a still a great idea there, which didn’t go far enough in setting up what is a constant feature in Star Trek. Trouble with all the ideas cooked up, is they’re dystopian and involve the Federation falling apart… which simply isn’t true to this franchise’s ideals at all. Go back far enough, and you can start off with a grim situation and turn that around into a positive one, with different aliens banding together for protection and mutal interest. Whereas the other way round, is just fundimentally against Gene Roddenberry’s concept.
Not really sure why Brian Singer thinks he’s qualified to helm anything Trek related… He completely messed up Superman, allowing his “gay/liberal” side to bleed over to the character–making him a dead beat dad who left the world for 6 years (you don’t think Supes couldn’t tell if he planted a seed in Lois before leaving?? come on now)…Letting Superman sit outside the window and STALK his ex (great role model tendency there), and literally no classic fight scenes at all for the iconic character.. Sorry, don’t trust Brian Singer… I can see it now, you’re gonna have a gay helmsman, and navigator character, side by side… I have absolutely nothing against people who are gay, but when auteurs feel they need to shove certain tendencies in our faces, I think that’s crossing the line…. I think it would make a hell of a lot more sense to have Bob Orci/Kurtzman/Abrams to develop Trek for TV.. they at least deserve a shot at it considering it was their story and vision that got Trek back into mainstream culture successfully.. It’s their baby as far as I’m concerned… Lastly, do we really want a Trek series set in some timeline we don’t give a damn about?? Cause that’s probably what you’ll get with Fuller/Singer… Abrams was smart enough to realize what made Trek tick was the loved characters…Who wants new ones? Heck, I’d even be down with making a Titan series with Frakes and sprinkling in appearances from the Next Gen cast… At least do something with familiar faces, and tell some more great stories with those actors while they’re still around and kicking..
Sorry, Ladies. If you want your Prime Universe, go play STO… you’re prime universe died at First Contact, burhahhahahahahahhahahahhahaahahhaaaaahahhahahahahahahahhah Hahhahahahahhahahahahahah *cough Cough cough Weez Cough cough*
seriously, you wouldn’t have ENT had FC not monkeyed with things the way they did… hell, FC is the blame for ST2009′s intial look of the Kelvin (Nero did the rest) since ENT’s look is why the Kelvin looked the way they did…
man i need a beer, after thinking about this… o.O
Re: 141. MJ
No, but here’s an Enterprise I have always wanted to see made real:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B001DYQO4I/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&s=miscellaneous
Perhaps if you asked Tobias Richter nicely he would have a go…
135… MJ… “I guess you have never head or cable/satellite tv???”
I already wrote that basic cable programming is killing network TV, but it is generally not one network like USA that is doing it, it is USA, TNT, AMC, and FX together that are siphoning off revenue that was exclusively network revenue pre-Next Generation. It is the death of a thousand cuts that will do in the big networks. And there are some shows that are making an impact, like Jersey Shore, which routinely outperforms NBC and the CW, especially in the all-important young adult demo. But the weekly “Top 20 shows” report you read in USA Today or TV By The Numbers is only measuring network programs, they’re not counting basic cable. They might have an aside like, “… and in Basic Cable news, the return of “Justified” pulled a…” but that’s it.
#164
Because gay liberals believe in leaving the planet for 5 years? What on earth are you talking about?
Back to the prime universe, please. All the talk that the Prime Universe is exhausted or out of story angles is sad to hear. Is it really so daunting to imagine a show that introduces new races, new antagonists, and new stories? It has been done before and can be done again. One thread I would like to see followed is a scenario where the Romulans have learned what really happened during “In the Pale Moonlight” and all hell starts breaking loose from that.
@167 “I already wrote that basic cable programming is killing network TV.”
There you go again with completely false information. Check the fraking Nielsens. I think there are like only two cable shows in the Top 25.
Enough with the pop culture preconceived notions…let’s stick to the facts and figures and not conjecture please. And please stop using the CW as an example — that has never been a major network.
Advertising is down because the economy is down.
Personally, Enterprise had a good TOS feel in it’s first few episodes, then it quickly morphed into the TNG ethos. If they had lost T’Pol, let Archer develop (or have) a spine, and let the stories develop that TOS swagger they would have probably had a winner on their hands. In my opinion, of course….
I would not mind seeing pre-Federation earth again, but I would suggest they start over. Yeah, I know the Canon-istas will blow a gasket over this, but the producers would need to make the decision to ignore Enterprise. What little pre-Federation canon that was presented in TOS is more then sufficient to provide a good framework for a series without having to force feed specific events to tie into the future….
No to Bryan Singer. The only movie of his that I’ve seen and thought was great was “X-Men”. I didn’t care for “X-Men 2″ nor “Superman Returns”.
He’s an overrated director.
Let Manny Coto have it. He earned it.
#172 – What if they really started over from scratch with Trek on TV? They could ignore the Trek TV prime and new movie Universe alltogether. Say set it a few months after the Federation was founded and the send the new Enterprise out gathering new members for the Federation. This way they could ignore that their wasn’t any Enterprise Dadelous Class ship.
The Enterprise wouldn’t even have to be a Dadelous Class ship. It could be the Federation sends out a fleet of Constitution Class ships one being the new USS Enterprise. They could even have an updated Constitution Class design.
Anything new would take place in the new universe. The idea would have to be to get people to simply accept that the new universe is here to stay. and save the scriptwriters from having to read and watch every bit of trek history to make sure they get it right.
It won’t effect the stories in a negative way one iota. It will just disempower some trekkies from complaining about canon and that is going to be better for all of us.
The new movie has now set the tone. You cannot go backwards. You want to redo all those classic Trek shows? No, leave them alone. If Trek is going to come back to TV, you have to follow the line with the movies. They’ve started over by doing what they did, changing the time line. Now you can also start over, creating new stories. Or if they redo a story from the original, the outcome could be different. The one thing they need to keep is the HOPEFUL message. When they brought war into the story lines, the original crew always found a way to AVOID going to war, because it wasn’t an option, meaning, they knew the consequences of war. I am tired of the “warlike” mentality that had invaded what TREK actually stood far. Peace and a hopeful message. There will always be conflict, but all our war in universe between races, that was always avoided. If anything, let’s use PRIME TREK as a means to learn the lessons of the past. Bring in actual Science Fiction Writers (which they did) to write the stories. And continue to show those characters in the BEST Light, not their worst.
Manny Coto is the man to bring it back. He’d do TREK better than anyone!
I like Trek but I am surprised it survived with Roddenberry no conflict rule? Wouldn’t that have made Trek boring if they stuck to that rule?
164: Yeah, as a big Superman fan, I was extremely disappointed with Superman Returns. I think it was a classic case of allowing one man make too many decisions, in other words very little check and balances. That said, I do trust Bryan Singer, as long as he is kept in check. After all, X-Men 2 was an amazing movie.
I appreciated Singer’s effort with SR, but there were many things that greatly bothered me about it (like Big Blue’s offspring).
Anyway, I have high hopes for this endeavor. I am sure it will at least be decent, and I would be happy that Trek is back on TV, where it belongs. But, as Thorny keeps on saying, I am not sure it will find a decent home, so it might not even happen.
You did a great job with x men bringing us back from the ugliness that was Batman and Robin. Then you just destroyed Superman. Killed him. Worse than Doomsday could ever dream of. Please stay away from Star Trek.
We’ve had many, many, many hours in the Prime-verse, I wanna see what the JJ-verse has to offer. But, overall, I just want my Star Trek back on TV (whichever continuity is legally possible). Movies are fun and all but it’s really a TV show more than a movie franchise to get it’s best efforts.
And put it on cable. Network TV is basically only pulling in good ratings for sporting events and reality TV shows. Fiction has time to breathe and doesn’t need to be in the Top 20 shows on cable.
It would be set in the JJverse guys hate to burst your bubbles
1st the JJverse is the franchise they would not create something else that distracts from that franchise
2nd and more importantly they could reuse the sets, props and costumes
Sorry no more Next Gen era blandness for you
For those who like the idea of the story staying in the original timeline, I like that as well. Despite three series set in that era, so much was left unsaid, unfinished, and undone. That era, together with that of TOS and its movies, has a rich history that could use some additional exploring in a series.
One of the reasons I’m so open to an animated series is that it could easily be an anthology of stories from every known era plus it opens the door to flashbacks and flash-forwards as well as truly alien species and worlds.
Still, I’m not closed off to the idea of one set in NuTrek’s time as long as it was a JJA production set elsewhere (i.e.: on Earth, a space station, or a different ship).
In short, just do it. Make a TV series or miniseries that is of a high quality with Trek as the backdrop not the reason for the show. I’ve always felt that the best Trek episodes could’ve taken place in other settings because the plot, the acting, and the direction were all top notch.
Much like several of you ,I’d prefer a TNG/DS9/VOY timeline series (prime universe that is).
However, it is highly unlikely that this is going to happen. The so-called “new audiences” having seen ST11, 12 and 13 would have no clue what that is. They’d be confused as all.
There is such a rich history and time frame between ST:OS ending of its 5-year mission to where is picked up at TMP…which has never been covered on film or television. So I can this working in favor of the Bryan’s proposal. Remembering that there was chatter a long time ago about giving Sulu a series relating to Excelsior…..which was dropped.
The new series does not have to necessarily involve an Enterprise…there were so many other vessels in Starfleet that can be covered and talked about.
What might be interesting would be a Starfleet mission series, covering three-five different ships, and enter twining them throughout the series…it might a huge cast, budget and FX might be big too – but look at Battlestar, Terra Nova, etc, and their budgets – it is possible.
#150
Cool idea!
Maybe the “historian” could be from an alien culture – trying to gain an understanding…
Maybe by going through archives of personal logs…
Nu!verse, please. The rest has all been done.
I would like to see one of the new universe and one of the prime universe. Although not at the same time like they did with Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis, or like they are doing with NCIS and NCIS L.A.
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Capt Crash:
A series spanning such a small sliver of time would quickly fall into Ron Moore’s perceived canon limitations theory, where what we know about the Trek universe limits story possibilities (Manny Coto never got the memo). Going between TOS and TMP, since we know so much about both time periods, would remove dramatic tension. We know, for example, that any threat to the Federation will fail.
Also, Enterprise was always ‘the flagship.’ Would other ship missions be as interesting as what the E was sent to do in either series? “Yes, Captain DeSoto, we understand. Please move off, as Enterprise is on its way. Captain Picard DOES have a special relationship with the High Council. Please go into high orbit, and offer assistance if necessary.”
Prime Universe. If Doctor Who can maintain all it’s continuity, so can Star Trek.
Oh my God! I’m so happy to see that the poll is showing Prime Universe.
After learning that Snookie had written a New York Times bestseller, I was crushed… but perhaps there is some hope for humanity after all.
I would set a new TV show in the Prime Universe with the first scene being the aftermath of Romulus being destroyed, and the Jellyfish disappearing into the singularity. I really want the series to follow the political and social fallout from those events, with the Alpha Quadrant being in turmoil.
The Star Trek: Online story would be an interesting one, but I would like something edgey and dark. Deep Space Nine is my favourite Trek series because it is an ongoing story line, not episodic, it is also dark and meaningful – BSG style Trek would be ideal! But it would have to be set after Nemesis and linking in with the end of the Countdown comic would be awesome…
Even though the Series will probably be released after the third feature film (probably in 2016 [50th Aniversary!]) I believe that a TV series set in the prime timeline could still work. Having the first episode link with the events mentioned in the first movie, it still keeps it relevant with the movie-verse, however it continues the story for the real fans. Fans who need that Prime Universe to continue moving forward… (we all switched off when the franchise decided to start over with Enterprise, when we were all screaming for a Titan series)…. it would be a success as it would be carried forward by the majority of trek fans, who are hungry for Trek to return to the small screen.
Let the movies and Paramount continue to show us JJ’s vision and present the ‘mainstream’ Trek with the original characters. Let CBS give us a return to Trek on TV.
Either way… Trek will return to TV, I just hope it is done sensibly and takes the views of the fans into consideration… otherwise, it won’t be watched.
193. Maybe Russell Davies is available.
@192. There really should not be any reason why a series could not be set in the timeframe between the end of the FYM and TMP. Space is big, and if the Federation maintained a fleet of a dozen or so Constitution Class ships it’s safe to assume that they were deployed far enough apart to be allowed wide lattitude to “explore strange new worlds”.
I’m trying to recall if Kirks Enterprise was ever referred to as a flagship. I know the officers and crew referred to her as the finest ship in the fleet. A flagship, by defination, would be carrying fleet commanders, or possibly have command of a small fleet of starships, which would make Kirk and the captains of the other Constitution ships flag officers. Just because we didn’t see them operate in this capacity doesn’t mean they didn’t. It also means that the other commanders didn’t have access to their own adventures…..
Any other support for Prime Universe but much, much later? I’d like a chance to escape from the labyrinth of continuity/canon in the TNG – Nemesis time period. I don’t really care about learning about the history in the interim, and it would be neat to see a much different take — like an English thriller set in the victorian period vs. one set in the 40s vs. one set now — on the universe, and not just new crew in identical situation.
I think Enterprise missed the boat, visually and storywise,, in showing us stuff we’ve never seen before. It had nearly both feet in everything that had been made before it, and there wasn’t much room for new.
I just had an interesting thought. Maybe the next movie is going to get into what in the heck was going on in the Laurentian system, where most of the Federation starships were engaged?
“I think Enterprise missed the boat, visually and storywise,, in showing us stuff we’ve never seen before. It had nearly both feet in everything that had been made before it, and there wasn’t much room for new.”
Agreed. If any of the new series should have been focused more on “exploring strange new worlds,” it should have been Enterprise. Enterprise should have gone back to a more primitive TOS types of stories rather than just be used to provide more subtext to future Trek politics and characters.
#164.
That is quite possibly the most ridiculous thing I’ve read in this whole thread. How is being a ‘dead beat dad’ a ‘gay/liberal’ idea, anyway??
That would seem to be a dumb heterosexual one; most deadbeat dads I’ve seen and known are straight. And I’ve known a couple of gay parents who are absolutely devoted to their kids.
First off, any left-wing, pro-gay (??) ideology of Superman Returns would be the writer’s fault, as Byan Singer did not WRITE Superman Returns; he directed it. I thought his direction (a nice homage to Richard Donner; a straight guy, by the way) was one of the few successful things about that movie. But the script and the casting of Lois weren’t so great (partly Singer’s fault, true)
However, given Bryan Singer’s many on-again/off-again (off at the moment) attempts to do a TV/movie revival of Battlestar Galactica (the most recent movie talk was last year), I don’t have faith that he will bring the necessary commitment to successfully do a Star Trek series (which has nothing to do with his status as a ‘gay/liberal’ ; that’s just absolutely foolish). He has too many other ideas on his plate, most of them movies (which tend to pay better).
But a gay/liberal ‘agenda’ of Superman Returns is just stupid….
How about a series set in 2245 about the early voyages of the Enterprise NCC-1701 under the command of Captain Robert April with his wife Sarah as Chief Medical Officer and a young Christopher Pike as his First Officer? The Enterprise would look as she did in the Pilot Star Trek episode “The Cage”, NOT Abrams monstrosity with the Bridge, Corridor, Transporter Room, Briefing Room and Captain’s Quarters all recreated. The less-advanced Sick Bay from “Where No Man Has Gone Before” could also form part of the sets.
Cast? Gil Gerard as Captain April, Erin Gray as Doctor Sarah April, Teen Wolf’s Tyler Hoechlin who bears a strong resemblance to Jeffrey Hunter as Commander Pike.
I think a TV series about eh ffirst five year mission of the Enterprise under her original Captain would be a ratings winner.
#202 – With today’s SFX you think people would watch a modern Trek where the Enterprise looked like it did in the 60′s?
I want to see a Star Trek TV show set in the NuTrek universe with the Jonas Brothers and Demi Lovato cruising through space in the newly commissioned USS Explorer NCC-1967 with Joe Jonas as Captain
I think we need a Star Trek show that begins with the birth of FTL capability and moves on from there
# 202, I don’t care much for your casting, but I love your idea. I would love to see a raw, gritty, retro look at April’s early voyages, maybe even in a Daedelus class ship, taking place in the new timeline. An edgy retro-cool look at the exploration of this new frontier called deep space would do alot to erase the less- than- perilous feeling that Archer’s adventures delivered week after week. Space needs to full of the unknown and awe again, as seen in TOS, with danger at every turn. Lay off the soap opera storylines couched in technobabble and deliver imaginative creative tales of the fantastic, wrapped in gritty deadly realism, and do it with a sense of humor and you’ll have a winner. I think a series based on the Kelvin, or a similar ship in that era would work as well.
#203
I don’t know about the ship, but people seem to be willing to watch actors dressed like it’s the ’60s. Trek ’09′s candy-colored uniforms and miniskirts—say no more.
#206
Love the idea of a Daedalus class ship on a maiden voyage; kind of what I’d hoped ‘Enterprise’ was going to be in 2001. The Romulan Wars book series (there are three of them) give a nice explanation for the ‘retro future’ look of the 23rd century starships, with their physical buttons, and clunky tapes, etc. It begins with ENT’s 4th season idea of the Romulans being control system hackers (ala the 2003 Cylons). The starfleet of the 22nd (and apparently 23rd) century “looked backward for protection.”
But yeah, I’d love to see a pre-TOS ST series with a clunky old Daedalus class ship, taking place in the 2160s or later.
With Bryan Singer involved, I wonder if this means we’ll have our first gay starship captain?
Probably not.
The studio wouldn’t have the balls to make that kind of forward-thinking decision, and most Star Trek fans aren’t as open-minded as they’d like to think they are. If they already freak out over the presence of a gay person on the bridge, their heads will explode over a gay person giving orders.
I’m now in Season 6 of DS9 and quite honestly, I would really to be back in this world. As enjoyable as the new movie was, I really just dig Prime Universe Trek.
Some of you guys are really hung up on the gay thing. I naively hoped that if there was any group of people that would be above all that homophobic nonsense it would be the Trek fanbase. Unfortunately not.
IDIC is not a city in China…
Tranya
Warning for trolling.
Everyone else, lets not derail this into another pointless political or sexual preference debate that i have to close/delete/etc.
Singer’s Superman movie was real bad, so I don’t want him going anywhere near Trek.
204. rebecca – February 4, 2012
I want to see a Star Trek TV show set in the NuTrek universe with the Jonas Brothers and Demi Lovato cruising through space in the newly commissioned USS Explorer NCC-1967 with Joe Jonas as Captain
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Best idea I’ve read tonight.
Would be interesting to set it in the prime universe after the destruction of Romulus… The ramifications would be massive…. Perhaps the federation is now so big its bogged down by too much bureaucracy and its enemies choose to take advantage..
I’ll be thought crazy for this, but here’s my idea…
Prime Universe, but slightly tied into the Abrams reboot. I want to see a show which begins just weeks after the destruction of Romulus. Being a fan of Stargate Universe (thus why I expect to be thought crazy), I’d like to see a more serialized approach, with a similar gritty tone and visual appearence as SGU.
I’d love for the series to have semi-self-contained episodes, but always against the backdrop of several plot lines. Among these plot lines should be the following:
- The humanitarian crisis of dealing with the newly displaced/endangered Romulans. (Biggest deal for me)
- Federation investigation of the cause of the star’s explosion. (Which I have a fascinating idea for). (Second-biggest idea… or tied with the previous)
- The investigation into the disappearance of Nero and Spock (A smaller point. I wouldn’t want to get too caught up in the Abramsverse, but Spock was a big deal, and his disappearance should be acknowledged)
- Dealing with other species trying to fill the power vacuum left by the Romulans (a chance for some lesser-known races to vye for power)
- Development of faster-than-warp propulsion to allow for exploration of increasingly deeper space… space which includes truly alien (SGU-esque) species and situations.
Basically, After TOS, we were thrown into TNG. Instead of another 100-year leap, I’d like to actually *see* the transition from late-TNG era into the NEXT next generation. And it has to feel big… historic in nature.
I think that a new TV series could be in either the Prime or Trek 09 universe. But, I would prefer the Trek 09 one. It is more wide open and not as constricted as the Prime one, even if you start after Nemesis.
I think a small ship show, but within the time frame of Kirk and company, would be great. That way the movie cast could do cameos once in a while, maybe even Nimoy. Maybe even base it on the Vulcans finding a new home? There is so much gold to mine in the Trek 09 universe, that’s what I want to see. IMHO.
As I posted earlier, I’d like to see a new series take place on a Federation starship stranded in another galaxy. No way home, no way to contact the Federation, and no familiar races/enemies/allies in sight. The show could be set in any time frame, and as it goes on, the ship would take increasing damage and wear and tear. Which would result in the ship looking quite a bit different as the series progresses since the crew would have to make deals and alliances with local aliens to survive.
The series could feature a crew made up of Klingons, humans, Romulan, Xindi Insectoids and Aquatics, as well as other non-humanoids. Gorn too.
I think the next series should show the most diversity amongst the crew. CGI has come a long way, and the costs associated with that as well as the physical make-up have gone down significantly since “Enterprise”.
Xindi Aquatics and Insectoids, Gorn, Tholians, Species 8472 so many opportunities to explore a non-humanoid (and fully cgi) crew member. God a Species 8472 crew member would be good.
I think the best candidate for a gay character is the security chief/tactical officer, you instantly break down any stereotyping on the part of the viewer, but there wouldn’t be a big deal made about it because in the 24th (I still say 29th is the best choice) century there’d be no such thing as gay or straight.
Personally though I think it would be interesting to see an insight into the four Andorian genders, have an unconventional sexuality. Star Trek has always been very rigid in that sense.
And whoever wrote that line in that DS9 episode, I think it’s Honour Among Thieves, “don’t tell me you don’t like girls” should be shot.
#214-I’m glad you agree with my idea. Joe Jonas as Captain Adam Foster, Nick Jonas as First Officer Jack Foster, Kevin Jonas as CMO Thomas Foster and Demi Lovato as Communications Officer Lt. Rosario Santos
#220.
Pretty sure dmduncan was being sarcastic.
Because that is a pretty dumb suggestion. Yeah, that would work out real great! (Sarcasm).
Reminds me of the “Seinfeld” episode where George suggests to George Wendt of a potential “Cheers” story revolving around a setting outside of the bar, or when he suggested to Corbin Bernson that an episode dealing with a lawsuit over a dead cat would be great.
They could do what ‘The Wire’ did and have a different focus for each season. Could be one way of keeping the series fresh over multiple years and avoid stagnation.
CBS wants money only. We want Trek only. Should be a deal. Waiting is a boring thing. But they make the decisions. I am just happy, great fan-productions are out there like Star Trek Phoenix etc. They show what is possible with even less money, if the spirit is right ;)
223.
The spirit is willing, but the coin is weak!
Well let’s hope four years doesn’t pass between a second and third film, then, assuming they do a third. I want trek on TV a whole lot more than the movie screen. Please, Bob Orci, don’t make us wait as long for the third film. In fact, call it quits after number two, even if it makes four hundred billion dollars.
No disrespect, I enjoyed your film hugely, own the DVD and have watched it at least five or six times. But I want a new TV series. A movie every four years isn’t enough for me.
I am salivating at a new PRIME star trek!!!
I’d love some new prime Trek!
Anyone else notice something hinky going on with the site today? A tone of script about a timezone error. O.o
@152
Not bad! lots of thought, a few missing pieces but that can be taken care of.
Anthony, what is going on with the site, there is something really screwy happening. Huge amounts of text everywhere about some kind of timescript error.
For some reason the website forgot the timezone setting and freaked out. It felt misplaced in time, somewhat like Picard in All Good Things. I believe it is working now.
As long as Jon Hamm is the captain and we return to good 60′s values, I don’t care who makes it.
New series, with new crew in prime universe. :)
I think we can forget anything happening in the prime universe, certainly in the ‘near’ future. As long as the movies are profitable, anything Trek related will happen in that universe. Guaranteed. And if the day comes that the movies stop being profitable, or heaven forbid, lose money, Trek will be put to rest again.
*If* there is a return to TV for Trek, it’ll either run in parallel to the movie timeline, or be set in the future of the movie timeline. A few of you mentioned going to the future for new whizbang technology, but if that’s the focus the series will die. The focus on techno-babble is what killed the TV franchise in the first place (Voyager). If there is a return to TV, it needs to go back to being focused on the characters first, and the stories themselves a close second. The ‘tech’ should be invisible, or at least not drilled down to the smallest bit of detail. Nerds like that, but nerds alone to not a good neilsen make.
TNG did it best. The tech was there, and it wowed us, but it wasn’t in your face the way it was with Voyager. DS9 did a pretty good job with that as well, and so did TOS. Another good example is Moore’s BSG (although a wee bit more detail about the tech stuff wouldn’t have hurt). I even think that Enterprise did a good job with this as well, but they totally dropped the ball on the ‘close second’ aspect – stories (at least until the 4th season, but it was too late).
I seriously doubt we’ll ever see Trek on network TV again. If it does come back to the small screen, it’ll be a cable network, or perhaps something like Netflix/Hulu.
Of course they could make the show and not say what universe it is set in and keep the trekkies debating over it for years.
This is what I want to see.
http://www.billpturner.com/tree-trek.html
233. NX-01 – February 5, 2012
“I think we can forget anything happening in the prime universe, certainly in the ‘near’ future. As long as the movies are profitable, anything Trek related will happen in that universe. Guaranteed. And if the day comes that the movies stop being profitable, or heaven forbid, lose money, Trek will be put to rest again.”
Yeah, I agree with this. Studios are so predictable and transparent. There is no way they would be willing to set a new show in the old Prime universe. Remember, the last movie in that timeline, Nemesis, performed horribly. And the Enterprise TV show was canceled in just 4 years. The studio does not cater to a small percentage of vocal fans, they just want to produce what will give the bigger bang for their buck. A sure thing.
if they are afraid of network TV they can always got to syfy or fx. look at series like sanctuary, walking dead, falling skies. they are all niche but because they get revenue from cable/sat subscriptions they can afford to have less of a neilson rating (which unfortunately the only thing advertisers look at and therefore kills shows). while i liked the old 20-30 episode seasons, i would compromise for a shorter season like most cable and premium (HBO, Starz) channels are doing now because it provides a better story with less filler and a higher quality because they can spend the same 20 episode budget on 13-15.
193. Jeyl – February 4, 2012
Prime Universe. If Doctor Who can maintain all it’s continuity, so can Star Trek.
Agreed. I’ve always said that. Not in those words necessarily but I’ve always thought it could be done. Lazy writing and lame excuses aren’t what Trek needs.
See, I don’t think the question is whether or not Star Trek can maintain continuity. Theoretically you can keep Gilligan’s Island going for hundreds of years.
The question is whether what you will then have, will also be worth watching.
My answer to that question is no.
I’m not a Dr. Who fan, and just because it says Star Trek on the label doesn’t mean I will mindlessly keep watching.
221. I don’t care what you think of my suggestion. If you think it’s dumb then it’s your problem. I think the Jonas Brothers and Demi Lovato in their own Star Trek TV show set in the NuTrek universe is an excellent and amazing idea. I have always wanted to see Joe Jonas as a Captain of his own Federation starship and Demi, Kevin and Nick as part of his crew. I always wanted to see them explore space on their own TV show and I want that to happen. dmduncan said it was the best idea he’d ever read and I agree with him. I don’t care if he was sarcastic or serious or not. Because I think a Jonas-Lovato ST show could work one day. And I want 4 them to wear the Starfleet movie uniforms. If you don’t think they can act then screw you. I don’t really care what you think!
#240.
Sorry, but you forget that the Jonas brothers’ five minutes of fame are long over. Nobody remembers who they are, except you. Not to mention that I have no idea who the hell this Demi Lovato is. What are you going to suggest next? Justin Beiber as Khan? Give me a break. You’re probably the same “fan” who suggested Lady Gaga should be in the sequel.
Geez, I though Spock/Uhura Fan’s ideas were stupid…..
@241. I am with you on this one. While I do know who the Jonas brothers are I only know because of South Park (much like the only reason I ever heard of Snookie) and I would never want Star Trek profaned by their presence (or Gaga for that matter).
I am willing to see ST: phoenix in a TV show. And the year that it is in.
Nothing against the bloke but Singer should not be allowed within a single sector of Star Trek.
He managed to screw up the golden opportunity of updating Supes and much of his remaining directing resume leaves little to be desired IMO.
The fact he had a cameo in ST: Wrath of Nemesis pretty much says it all.
PS- didn’t the Jonas Bros get eaten by a large whale? Or was that another directorial gem by Prof. Singer?
Mmmmwoahahahaha.
Just watched Super 8 for the first time last night. Loved it. Now there’s a man who can direct- Slusho an’ all!
Peace, Earthlings!
MJ… It isn’t ‘false information’. Simply compare the ratings of the Top 25 shows in 1987 (the year Paramount aproved ST:TNG) to those of the Top 25 today. Network viewership is down by half. The great majority of that lost audience is now watching Basic Cable and Pay Cable.
Whistle past the graveyard all you like. The numbers don’t lie. Broadcast Network TV is dying.
Superman returns had many good moments. Playing Luthor comically when we had seen him portrayed as a smart man on tv was a big mistake and the crystals storyline pure dumb.
But some of the character moments. Saving the plane when he didn’t always see what was going on as well as he still had to contend with the laws of physics were very well done.
People can make mistakes but superman was only one example and that with more than a few redeeming features.
The guy that wrote Nemesis also wrote Hugo, probably the best film i have ever seen.
246.
I’m afraid I agree. Viewer numbers overall are down as there are too many entertainment options for viewers these days, such as online gaming, Youtube, Netflix, Hulu, etc.
I think within 10 years (or less) the idea of broadcast scheduled television over several ‘major’ networks will be as quaint as black and white, wood-paneled ‘box’ TVs are in the age of color/stereo HD flatscreens.
Pretty soon TV ‘scheduling’ will be more akin to a date when a new show or movie is available to be downloaded to your PC-integrated entertainment system…
Oops. Apparently the post I replied to disappeared on me; oh well, the point is the same anyway…
And chrisfawkes?
I saw “Hugo” last weekend and it was simply amazing. Totally agree with you. I was so glad I caught this one in the theatres and in 3D; it’s a high tech salute to the oldest style of movie-making and a wonderfully radical departure for Martin Scorsese (not one dead mobster or ‘f**k you’ in the whole movie… ha ha). My wife and I really enjoyed this one. It’s a treat…
I believe Trek on TV has always been better than on the big screen. And I believe Trek on TV has always been best with a starship Enterprise exploring strange new worlds. And I think the TOS era was the most exciting era.
But this doesn’t work anymore, unless you move to some rebootiverse. And even more seriously, after 5 TV shows it seems that all the stories you can tell within a traditional Star Trek framework are already told. So you’d have to go for some fresh perspectives and approaches, like Caprica or Stargate Universe did, for example. I fear then it will cease to be Star Trek. To say the least, I can’t imagine getting excited by a show set on a desolate Federation colony on the fringe, with a protagonist suffering from some personal trauma, at odds with his colleagues, trying to protect his 10y old son in frequent raids by tattooed Romulan marauders behaving like a drugged street gang.
#240 -#241. Demi Lovato is a hot young singer-actress who’s on the road to recovery and Jonas Brothers’ five minutes of fame aren’t over, they are poised to make a MAJOR COMEBACK in 2012, if you guys don’t want to see them in Star Trek THAT’S YOUR FREAKING PROBLEM,OK? I don’t come up with stupid ideas and suggestions. I want them to be part of ST and explore space in their own ship and look good in their Starfleet uniforms! I’m a diehard ST fan and want to see Jonas Brothers in their own ST TV show somehow! please please please give them a chance, because I know they can do it and pull it off. And please don’t say they can’t act. Just give them a chance to prove Trekkies and critics wrong.And please, no hating or I WILL HAVE A FIT!
#241-242. You are full of crap! The Jonas Brothers are full of talent. They can act, sing, and dance and are amazing musicians and songwriters. I want to see them in Star Trek one day. If you don’t want to see them too bad! I want to see Joe sit in the captain’s chair of his very own Federation vessel and protect his crew and keep them safe. I can see him say Space.. the final frontier, and all those other classic ST lines. Now if you don’t agree with me, that’s TOO BAD! I DON’T CARE WHAT YOU SAY!
If rebecca isn’t trolling, faith in humanity down by 60%
I wonder if a largely (but certainly not solely) Earth-based show could work, since the constant ship exploring formula is what people seemed to be tired of. An early 25th century series set in the Academy could work, maybe Red Squad (though not like the arrogant, annoying and all-American ones in DS9).
The main cadet characters could also not be human, there’s been far too many human main characters, the focus could be on them being a minority species by Federation standards, a Romulan, a Cardassian, a Gorn (because Gorn are cool) and maybe one of the characters could be Miral Paris.
Oh dear lord, make that 80%
I would like to see some Trek themed mix between Firefly and PlanetES. No Enterprise, no Starfleet Crew, just a bunch of workmen in deep space.
I find Rebecca’s ideas no less plausible than those of middle aged men hoping for yet another spinoff yet again drenched in canon. Get real.
Star Trek 2009 premiers on FX on 2/14 at 7PM Eastern / 6 PM Central time.
251. rebecca – February 5, 2012
I like your idea, Rebecca. I know some people think it’s crazy, but I don’t. I think it’s cute. And if Star Trek were not so crazy serious about itself, we would have all kinds of versions of it, like the Spiderman, or Batman, or Superman franchises have. And yes, maybe even a version of Star Trek like what you suggest. It might do extremely well.
So you just keep thinking what you think, and liking what you like. :-)
#239 . I hate it when ppl make fun of me and say “OHHH, A JONAS BROTHERS STAR TREK SHOW IS A BAD IDEA!!!!!” WELL IT’S NOT, OK! BECAUSE I THINK IT’S A BRILLIANT AND EXCELLENT AND AMAZING IDEA. BELIEVE ME IT COULD WORK!
Rebecca, ok we get you like Jonas Brothers, but this is really a Trek site not a Jonas Brothers site. I can’t they aren’t a fad yet just like boy bands would be a fad.
258. oh why thank you, so much, for agreeing with me. A Jonas Brothers Star Trek show set in the NuTrek movie could attract the 18-34 age crowd, and be a ratings winner! Joe Jonas would be an excellent and elegant and graceful and polite and stylish starship captain. He is experienced, qualified, well-trained, and fit and well-suited 4 the role. He has commander/leader-type experience, and has the look of a Starfleet commander. I can see him sitting in the captain’s chair on the bridge of the Starship Explorer looking all calm and serious and looking at his crew at their stations on the bridge.
259 STOP SHOUTING. And if you’re going to be so defensive about your right to share your opinion then you can’t be so aggressive towards different opinions. Your logic is that it’s a good idea purely because you think it is, and if someone disagrees with your opinion you just go all caps rage on them.
I think we might be feeding a Troll, with Rebecca. Not sure, though.
263 I am, very very sure. That or a 9 year old.
260.Look, I understand this is a Trek site and not a Jonas site, but if you don’t like or agree with what I have to kindly please stay out of it. I don’t mean to be rude, but stay out of it. OK? don’t mean to hurt your feelings! And I have my own opinions and suggestions like everyone else ! And if the Jonas Brothers want to do a ST show it’s up to them.OK? bye.
Saying the same thing over and over again in a thread is considered spamming.
259. rebecca – February 5, 2012
I don’t like it when people make fun of me either.
And I do believe that a Jonas Brothers Star Trek show could work. It could actually make a whole new generation of Star Trek fans. It would be a fun thing to see and create, I think.
263 AND 264. I am very sorry that I typed in rage in Caps Lock. Won’t Happen Again. And if you call me a troll EVER again I will kick both of your butts, is that clear?
A hypocrite to boot. Delightful.
@rebecca You are a troll.
Dmduncan now you are feeding the Troll unless you are being sarcastic?
259. I most certainly agree with you, and if the show is a hit it can run for 5 6, maybe 7 seasons at the earliest so we can see Captain Foster and his Explorer crew explore strange new worlds and seek out new life and civilizations every week, that would be really fun and exciting to see. And also, please tell #263 and #264 not to call me a Troll ever again because it mean, hurtful and insulting and very rude. That’s also called bullying.
@N-no you are. If you call me that again I will seriously kick your ass
How? You’re just an internet troll.
@N and YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE.
@N-STOP CALLING ME A TROLL!
Now you’re just parroting me, you’re not a creative troll.
My emotions are not being yanked by her suggestion so I don’t perceive Rebecca as a troll. Nor am I being sarcastic. If Star Trek were less rigid as a franchise it would be comparable in the number of permutations it has to Superman or Batman without every version trying to be consistent with every other version. Some of those versions might be cartoons that appeal to kids, and other versions would have other demographics.
I see no reason why Star Trek must always target the cranky old fart demographic.
If Paramount and CBS were less paranoid about it, there would be plenty of Star Trek to go around.
239. Please tell #263 and #264 to stop calling me a troll and a hypocrite. They are bullying and hating on me, just because I want a Jonas Brothers Star Trek TV show! So please tell them to kindly leave me alone! Can you please do that for me?
278. Thank you for clearing that up and defending me. I appreciate it. I am glad you agree with my ideas, opinions and suggestions.
I don’t think someone is troll if they succeeding in being annoying, it’s more in the attempt to be, and spamming ridiculousness.
Not every Prime Universe enthusiast is old, I’m 20.
If her trolling is serious then I’ll just say, making a Star Trek series specifically targeted to the niche audience of 9-14 year old girls that salivate over disney pop just makes no sense.
Sometimes trying to make things that are so different in such a long running franchise is a bad move, look at how badly Star Wars has fizzled out.
I like the idea of Jon Hamm in a Trek series. Maybe it’s just because his current show is set in the ’60s, but I could definitely see him standing on the bridge of a starship.
281. N – February 5, 2012
My point is that Star Trek is so stagnant that when we do get some, everyone is dead serious about how it turns out and wants a say in the process, which tends to still the waters even more.
I’m tired of seeing the TOS premise rebooted with a new set of characters a hundred years in the future or a hundred years in the past. That takes it too seriously in my view. But if you did a version of the premise for an entirely different demographic — even if I didn’t watch it I wouldn’t mind it.
Why does every version of Star Trek always have to be for us?
In my view, canon is reaching out and choking the franchise like a skeletal hand from the grave.
It’s good stories and characters that people remember, that attract them to a show in the first place. Whether it’s set in the 23rd, 24th, or 30th century, on a starship, a space station, or a… police callbox, live-action or animated or… puppets on strings, it really doesn’t matter to me.
Trek has survived [and will survive] on good writing. Plain and simple.
283. I can imagine Joe Jonas as a Starfleet captain-gold command outfit and all- standing on the bridge of a Federation Starship. what do you think.
281: “I don’t think someone is troll if they succeeding in being annoying, it’s more in the attempt to be, and spamming ridiculousness.”
But there’s probably a demographic that would actually tune into watch a Jonas Brothers Star Trek show, so it isn’t absurd. Whether or not there’s enough of them to support a show with that type of budget is an entirely different matter.
But I’m guaranteed to watch as well when Taylor Swift guest stars as an Andorian folk singer.
I LOVE Taylor Swift!
@ rebecca. You are completely entitled to your (wrong) opinion, but you are seriously being a major D-bag right now. I have every bit as much right to hate the Jonas brothers as you do to like them, and since this is an ongoing posting thread, I do not have to stay out of it if I disagree. I have every bit as much right to respond to you as you do to me, notice however that my messages are politely written and contain no capslock shouting, at the very least you need to be more polite. Also, telling people to shut up or you will kick their ass is very much trollish behavior, bordering on flaming in my opinion, and something to avoid at all costs. Now then having politely and calmly stated my reaction to your extremely impolite responses to me (and others) I am now done with this conversation. Goodbye.
#286
“But I’m guaranteed to watch as well when Taylor Swift guest stars as an Andorian folk singer.
I LOVE Taylor Swift!”
Amen to that! She’s just…[sigh]… wonderful.
Oh, sorry, lost my train of thought. ;)
281. I was not spamming and typing ridiculousness, so shut up. Jonas and Demi Lovato are not with Disney anymore. They are all adults so they can do other projects that don’t have anything to do with the Mouse House. If they want to do a Star Trek show say in , the 25th, 26th century, that’s fine by me.
Lets not let this get derailed.
Rebecca calm down and warning for trolling
284. Vultan – February 5, 2012
And quite simply, I don’t much care for the characters other than the TOS ones. TOS WAS the best premise and set of characters to write stories for, in my view. I tuned out of Enterprise before the 4th season, so I’m watching it now. And though it’s better than it was, none of the characters is iconic. Unlike the crew of TOS.
What is the single best episode of 4th season Enterprise? Opinions?
#287 I am so sorry 4 being a D-bag and 4 telling ppl to shut up or i will kick their butts. And also sorry 4 the capslock shouting it won’t happen again. And I am very sorry 4 being impolite and 4 my trollish behavior. and 4 your info, I am not a douchebag and I don’t care if you hate the jonas brothers, if you do that’s your problem. Oh, and one more thing, you are impolite and a douchebag, ok?So please don’t butt in! I only say what I think and what I feel, and if you don’t agree, then back off me!
@292. The second part of the Mirror Universe story, when all of evil Archer’s plans came apart and evil Hoshi took him out. Or, the third part of the Augment storyline, when Arik Soong decided that artificial intelligence was the proper direction for him to take. At least those were my favorites.
290. Stop calling me a troll please I feel so hurt when ppl call me that
@245 “MJ… It isn’t ‘false information’. Simply compare the ratings of the Top 25 shows in 1987 (the year Paramount aproved ST:TNG) to those of the Top 25 today. Network viewership is down by half. The great majority of that lost audience is now watching Basic Cable and Pay Cable.”
If that were really the case, then we would expect to say about 50% of the Top 25 rated shows in the Nielsen’s on basic cable. Instead, only a couple of shows on basic cable typically make the Top 25. So again, you can do the the pop culture conjecture you want, but the actual data simply do not support your arguments.
286. I would LOVE to see Taylor Swift as an Andorian Folk Singer! She can really rock it! I just love Taylor Swift! She’s flatout beautiful!
#297 – Rolls eyes.
#291
I think some of the TNG and DS9 characters have become—or are becoming—icons of sci-fi (see some frequent, many times tongue-in-cheek mentions in popular culture these days), but yeah, the TOS characters are the standard. And will always be.
As for best episode of Enterprise season 4, I’ll go with “In a Mirror, Darkly.” I also liked the Augment storyline. Notice at the end when a certain character crawls across a destroyed bridge. Hmm… wonder where they got that idea…?
#291 and #299 A lot of depends with what you grow up with though doesn’t it? I was born in 1991, I can’t connect with TOS or its movies at all. However I hold TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT in high regard.
Best ENT season 4, In a Mirror Darkly, easily but the augment, Romulan and Vulcan storylines re all great. Their season 5 ideas were pretty good too, I’d loved to have seen their origin of the Borg Queen story, especially since they planned on bringing Alice Krige back for the role.
Some of you folk need to undergo the Kolinahr. This would be a much more civil place of discussion and debate.
I think Star Trek is just like Star Wars as they both have a fragemented fanbase. Their are some that like old Trek – TOS and some that like new Trek TNG, DS9 ect.. Same thing with Star Wars some fans say the prequels are better than the originals. That is Trek’s biggest problem, which is why you need something like the reboot movie and do that same thing for next Trek TV series.
But doesn’t that just create another faction, if you will, that can risk splintering a fanbase further?
Since XI came out I’ve not seen many people refer to TOS as Old Trek and the rest as New Trek. Generally everything pre-XI seems to get called Old Trek now.
How can the reboot movie be called old Trek when it doesn’t look like TOS and has a young cast and todays SFX?
Even Sheldon on Big Bang Theory didn’t like the new Spock.
@dmduncan do you see Joe Jonas stepping onto the turbolift onto the bridge and stand on it looking around at his crew doing their jobs? And can you imagine him in Kirk’s gold command outfit sitting in his chair looking at the viewscreen telling the navigator,”One half impulse power! and then saying take us out and Engage!”
I didn’t say that, I said people refer to everything pre-XI as old Trek.
Again with Joe Jonas? Can we get back to the original topic please?
Not this troll again.
308. I don’t mean to be rude, but I can talk about Joe and the Jonas Brothers all I want. So stay out of it please. I was asking @dmduncan, not you.
Sorry, N, I misread that. However I still think TNG and post TNG as new Trek because they could set a new series post Voyager in the new movie timeline.
The thing is Rebecca this is a topic about the next Trek TV series and not about Joe Jonas stop trolling this topic.
309. you call me a troll again you’ll be asking for it.
You’re a troll, “rebecca” now go to some disney website, more people will agree with your opinion, right now you’re a niche within a niche.
Kids, play nice.
312. I understand that this is about the next ST series, ok? And my opinion is that I want a Jonas Brothers ST TV show.
“I would LOVE to see Taylor Swift as an Andorian Folk Singer! She can really rock it! I just love Taylor Swift! She’s flatout beautiful!”
Well there you have it. (sigh)
Geez, now Rebecca has a twin with #317 posting.
We got the hint a while ago, it’s stopped being funny now.
Oh god it’s multiplying!
@dmduncan please help me! they’re calling me a troll again and telling me to go to some disney website
Well, it’s definitely NOT up to the Jonas Brothers if a new “Star Trek” series is put on the air. That decision belongs to CBS. And if a Jonas “Star Trek” does happen, I guarantee that most Trekkies will feel alienated and leave, while other mainstream demographics except tweens wouldn’t even bother with it because the Jonas brothers are all about glitz and glamour with no substance. They are part of the problem with today’s music. And Taylor Swift might be fine as a country artist, but that don’t mean she’d be a good Andorian. Sorry.
#292.
All of them….except for the terrible “These Are The Voyages…”.
@dmduncan Do you think Trekkies will feel alienated and leave once they watch a Jonas Brothers Star Trek TV show? And do you think they are all glitz and glamour with no substance? And I don ‘t think they are the problem with today’s music, what do you think?
Geez Louise!
There are three things I can think of off the top of my head that I DON’T ever want to see in “Star Trek”:
Tom Cruise
Spock and Uhura getting married and having kids
The Jonas Brothers
I swear if any of these things happen, then they might as well just bury the whole franchise for good!
I look forward to any form of TV Trek.
In my opinion that is where it is strongest (that and novelisation).
It hopefully will NOT be directed by Mr Singer…as for Mr Fuller – wary the techno-babble beast (and the numerous incontinuity errors).
Manny Coto would be good for a new Star Trek show. Not sure about directors though.
Best ENT of S04? would have to be “These are the voyages”…….mmmwoahahahahahahaha – my bad, I keeeed!
I really liked the augments and mirror universe episodes. I also really liked the Xindi arc (probably not exactly for the arc itself but also for the Xindi themselves and the reasonably unique-to-Star Trek alien lifeforms – and for this last comment I await a serious bashing from all and sundry.
Remember, revenge is a dish that is best served cold…or was that gazpatcho?
peace out, Trekmeisters :)
Anthony really needs to ban Rebecca and any of her twins from posting. This thread is really going off topic. Plus purge all of Rebecca’s and her twins posts from this thread.
Actually, I shouldn’t be angry at the suggestion of a Jonas “Star Trek”. The chances of that happening are virtually nil, so I’m going to stop worrying about it.
324- you know what! Screw you! they ARE my suggestions and my opinions and if you don’t agree with them too bad! everyone has a right to dream uo their own scenarios! Freedom of liberty and speech, baby! And I don’t really care what you think! I want to see the Jonas Brothers in their very own Star Trek TV show someday and that’s final!
RDR – That might as well be Muppet Babies in Space. LOL.
Yes Craiger, she’s so hot. And the jonas brothers. I mean if you don’t judge people by the way they look, well how else would you? Hey let’s just add vampires and wolverines. Now that will sell!
#330 Really again Rebecca?
327 and 328 You, Craiger and Anthony will never ban my posts from this website. And there’s nothing you can really do about it. So complain all you want cuz I’m here to stay.
I’m new here.
@dmduncan help me!
Somebody talk to me
What if the next Trek series was based on this new Enterprise?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI1GY2KWBTU&feature=related
331. yes again haha
All Trolls should be ignored.
For all TOS has given us, there is surprisingly little shown during the original 5 yr mission. Just those three seasons. I’d be nice to see more.
333. please tell Anthony,Craiger and Azrael to stop calling me a troll. Please? Cuz I didn’t do anything at all.
333. please tell Anthony,Craiger and Azrael to stop calling me a troll.
ALL RIGHT, I QUIT!
Forget all this talk of these guys and even JJ. Looking at the Avengers trailer on the Superbowl just now makes me think Joss Whedon may be the man to helm this project.
I QUIT!
Does “rebecca” not realise who Anthony is? :P
Mr Red Dead Ryan, I agree with every word you’ve said. “These Are the Voyages…” is not canon in my opinion, not just because it’s abysmal but for how contradictory it is too.
#345.
Most of the episode took place in a Holodeck, so I guess one could argue that Trip’s death was in reality a “glitch” in the programming!
To get back to the original topic, people are criticising Singer’s work as a director, as showrunner he’d most likely only produce and create storylines, which he is very good at (see: First Class) and even if he directs in it, it wouldn’t be often considering all the other work he’d have to do.
How many episodes were directed by Rick Berman?
RDR – Don’t some fans consider Demons/Terra Prime the Enteprise series finale?
@346 I’ve always viewed it as fictional, just a program to help with command decisions or whatever. Like the one Troi used to get her promotion. Both involve the chief engineer dying coincidently.
I say retcon the whole damn thing, wasn’t it only made as a “goodbye” (or middle finger) to the fans after ENT was cancelled? I’d be surprised if it was always planned considering how strong Terra Prime was.
@348 Yes. I certainly do.
#348.
I think most fans do, myself included.
“These Are The Voyages…” would have worked better as a midseason episode. The twenty-fourth century portions should have taken place on the Titan, during peace talks with the Romulans, and the holodeck program should have dealt with how Archer signed the Coalition Of Planets treaty with the Vulcans, Andorians, and Tellarites. That portion could have been used by Riker as a reference and inspiration for his talks with the Romulans. Nobody would have gotten killed, and it would have fit in with canon a lot better than trying to tie everything into “The Pegasus”.
N, I had and idea to tie the Xindi and the Romulan War. The Xindi feeling remorse for what they did to Earth that they became Earth’s Alies during the Romulan War. Or another way would have been to have the Romulans instead of the Xindi. The Romulans could have launched a premeptive strike against Earth. Then have Archer and crew trying to find out who attacked Earth.
Oh yeah, I’ve always felt ripped off when the episode DIDN’T depict Archer’s speach to the audience. One of the most pivotal moments in the fictional Trek history, and we were denied.
speach=speech
DAMN TYPOS!!!
RDR – Or for the series finale have Riker aboard the Titan wondering if he was still ready for command and Troi would have suggested going to the Holodeck and look at what his hero Captain Archer did during the Romulan War
rebecca! – Nobody is “butting in”. This is a public board where people can come and express their views and what’s more, they can come from all over the world! People have the right to agree and disagree with whatever is written here.
The Anthony you refer to is the owner and moderator of this site, Anthony Pascale and he is the only person who can delete anyone’s posts or ban them from posting to this site.
It is the way you are expressing yourself which is getting you called a troll. It is the way people have come to understand as to how genuine trolls behave. If you do not want to considered a troll, then stop writing like one!
#324 – You forgot to mention never wanting to see Kirk and Spock in a hot tub together…:) Oh dear, just so many things you don’t want to see and yet other do…sigh. What to do?…;)
Re: Star Trek on TV (actual thread topic) – Right now, I couldn’t care less whether another TV series get made or not. My focus is on the present movie series, its production and potential success. As for Jonas Brothers being in Star Trek – who knows? Why not?
Unfortunately, the only time that I have managed to see the Jonas Brothers perform was when they were guests on the Ellen (DeGeneres) Show and it was hard to hear their performances over the screaming of hysterical female fans. The music was nothing terribly bad nor great either… sort of like much of today’s music, which is why so many bands popular in the late sixties and seventies are busy reinventing their careers at the moment and some of them being rather successful as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonas_Brothers
#355.
Yeah, that’s another interesting idea. The episode had a good concept, but it was executed badly. I wonder what they were thinking (or drinking) when they wrote it?
One more Trek TV show idea, just do one about the Romulan War. They could have that all mapped out because that story has a begining, a middle and an end. However most Trek fans know how the Romulan War ends so would it still be cool to watch and would the general audience like it. They could do it like Band of Brothers, even though I never saw that series. It could be a perfect series not too short, not too long because I think the War only lasted five years.
Just curious wouldn’t exploring strange new worlds get boring again with meeting the forehead alien of the week or anonmaly of week again? We had six series dealing with that already.
I’d also like to see in a future “Star Trek” movie or episode, an homicidal android who crashes his shuttlecraft into a Starfleet Police Station, and subsequently wields two phaser rifles to gun down everybody in the building in a bloody massacre, ala the police station massacre scene from “The Terminator”. :-)
#358.
You really ought to see “Band Of Brothers”. Great mini-series. Tom Hardy was in one of the episodes for a few minutes. Do watch “The Pacific” as well.
RDR – Not that much of a WW2 fan. Even growing tired of WW2 Video Games. Allthough I am kind of a History buff.
I guess I shouldn’t have said WW2 fan and something like not interested that much in WW2 anymore. Shouldn’t be a fan of any War except maybe if its in Trek because that’s entertainment.
#362.
Yeah, I’m with you on the WWII video games. But the series I mentioned are a must-see, as they were produced by Steven Spielberg and Tom Hanks, both of whom collaborated together on “Saving Private Ryan”.
#363.
What about “Star Wars”? I know “The Phantom Menace” will be re-released in 3D soon. Not sure if I’m going to see it though.
Exploring strange new worlds is Star Trek.
Not a fan of the SW prequels either. Full of canon errors. In the SW originals Leia only remembers her real mother when she was wrong be she died after Leia’s birth in Episode III. Jar Jar Binks was terrible. Didn’t like the Clones turning on the Jedi either. Sometimes I watch the Clone Wars and that is why I don’t like the Clones turning into the StormTroopers.
#365
If they cut it down to just the lightsaber fight at the end, I’d watch it.
#366, That’s one thing I forgot that is mainly Trek’s motto.
Apparently, George Lucas is resurrecting Darth Maul in “The Clone Wars”.
Lucas isn’t doing anymore SW movies and I think is retiring because of the so called nitpicky fans.
@352 That’s interesting, it would stand to reason the Xindi would help Earth, especially as they could be threatened by the Romulans too.
And Archer could get a Xindi crew member who he gives the medal thingy to which eventually gets past down that Xindi’s family until the officer that serves on the Enterprise-J.
@366 And those worlds are not always literal, which adds depth to Star Trek.
Pretty lame excuse on Lucas’ part. Puts out an inferior product, then blames the fans and takes his toys and goes home. Maybe he should have listened to them (us) after Episode l.
http://collider.com/george-lucas-retiring/138622/
@373. Huh? I really enjoyed Red Tails.
Interesting article. If Lucas wants to go on to something else, well that’s cool too, but man, imagine if the creators of Trek took issue with the neurotic fans here. We’d all be guilty of ending Trek at least a half a dozen times by now.
375. Wasn’t referring to Red Tails.
Which creators of Trek? TOS-TNG, DS9-ENT or XI?
Any/all. I mean Berman is public enemy #1 around here
356.You’re right, This is a public board where everyone from all over the world have a right to agree and disagree and speak their minds about a certain topic. So sorry, And you are right , Anthony Pascale is the owner of this site and he has the right to delete posts and ban them from this. You’re right, the way I expressed myself and the things I wrote were very trolllike. And I am very very sorry for what has happened here tonight. My sincerest apologies to Mr.Pascale and to all the online Trekkies on this site. What I did tonight was wrong and will never happen again. And I’ll never say that you butt in again, cuz you guys have a right to speak your minds. Love, Rebecca, DieHard StarTrek Fan
If I had to pick, it would be a show set 100-200 years after the Prime Universe stories…despite the fact that I love JJ Abrams Trek.
Which I find ironic considering Berman managed the most amount of Trek, the Trek I grew up with and what I consider the franchise’s golden age. My earliest memories from childhood involve DS9 and Voyager, they made an impact on me as a child, I like to think I gained my creativity and inspiration from them.
#372
“And those worlds are not always literal, which adds depth to Star Trek.”
EXACTLY!!!
295. First and Foremost, Mr.Pascale, I am so so sorry for expressing myself and typing like a troll.It will never happen again trust me, my sincerest apologies, to you and your online Trekkies and your site. I feel so so bad 4 what has happened here tonight. I promise you it won’t happen again.
I can see why fans would like to see what happens after TNG etc, the 24th century, but it always seemed to lack the mystery of space vibe which I enjoyed so much in TOS. It all seemed too colonized to me.
Much like the ’09 movie, I think a new series has to get unstuck from the franchise’s canon if its going to have a snowball’s chance in hell of succeeding in today’s tv market.
381. Yeah, I’m older and grew up watching Trek in the early and mid seventies so that’s where my taste lie. Did like DS9 however. I’m not sure what to think of Berman though, and so I yield to the later-day fans on this matter.
#373
I think the main problem with Star Wars is somewhere along the way it became exactly as you describe it—a “product.” Everything since the opening scenes of “Phantom Menace” have felt like a long line of mass-produced, kid-friendly, by-the-numbers, focus-group approved products cranked out of the big George Lucas money-making machine.
I haven’t seen “Red Tails” yet. Hope it’s better.
“I like to think I gained my creativity and inspiration from them.”
Right on. I feel the same way …about TOS of course.
Kolinahr.
What would be really cool, in the interim, is if someone took the audio elements of the existing Star Trek animated series (primarily the voice acting by the original cast) and created new (up-to-date) CG-based animation to match the audio. Some of those stories were quite good, and most typical TV viewers have never seen those episodes, or even know they exist. They could create new theme and incidental music, although I personally thought the old cheesy music they used repeatedly in every episode was “catchy.”
And if not a full “Hollywood” effort, maybe it could be done as a “fan” effort, like Star Trek Phase II.
Yup Vultan. A line of toys, happy meals, etc. Getting angry at the messengers is hardly appropriate.
Trek from another B&B? No thanks.
And ESPECIALLY from any Voyager writer.
A USS Kelvin prequel series? Maybe, though.
Might have to go a bit farther back than Kelvin. I’d hate to have someone other than Hemsworth as George Kirk. But, Faran Tahir might be available though for a 5YM series as Robau. Just a different first officer would be needed.
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Step it back to 2222, so you’re 11 years before George Kirk dies, and then you open the possibility to ending the Kelvin series with a great finale… it would finish with the arrival of George Kirk as first officer!
Look, I wouldn’t mind them doing the TOS characters again in a new series. I accepted and liked it in the last movie, and I would like it if they want back and did them again, with a whole new canon. I think that’s the best way to do it. I’m not sure how that idea will be received here. I bet some of you really hate the idea, but I just can’t imagine a new cast of completely unfamiliar characters.
I love the characters of Kirk, Spock and Bones. Love Scotty. I also have nothing against Sulu, Chekov and Uhura, but they were never truly explored. A new series could do that. Take Star Trek where it’s never gone before, but with some familiar trappings. Surprise and delight us. Push the envelope. Take some chances.
I think that’s the problem I had with Voyager and Enterprise, is that I never thought they took real chances.
Anyway, a lot of you will probably hate that idea, and I don’t mind if you disagree with me. I just request that if you do, please argue your point with respect for another Trek fan.
It’s all about Kolinahr, man. Kolinahr rules.
I have never seen the TAS television series. I’m not sure if the animated Star Trek series ever got screened here in NZ, but I cannot recall seeing or hearing anything. Perhaps seeing an updated CG-based animation with the original audio would be good. If it was done well, one of the networks might consider getting it and screen it here. I suspect it will be FOUR, the channel which screens most of the more for adults oriented animated series, like South Park. I like that idea!
I am going to remember this thread fondly.
But which Kelvin would you like to see? The Kelvin from the Prime Universe would be different, since some post-TOS events shaped pre-TOS events, there would two, possibly vastly, different Kelvins.
I’m going to repeat the fact that I’m an advocate for a 29th century series, exploring time as well as space can offer some unique storylines, and be tied into XI if necessary by repairing Nero’s incursion (shifting it to another universe as well as another time) or following the storyline that the Hobus supernova wasn’t meant to happen, cue temporal conspiracies or a better executed temporal cold war or something, the pilot could be the mission to save Romulus.
The new movie universe can continue since the shifting of the black hole would have to happen to first in order for their to actually be a future, and with a new universe created it has its own unique past and future and then saving Romulus so the Prime Universe can continue as it was meant to.
396. Keachick – an animated series would really worry me. Too often it seems that animated drama falls short of achieving what live action can do. I think it has something to do with the fact they record each character’s dialogue at a time, and the actors never really get to interact. Action will be well, done, but when it comes time for true drama, especially something moving, I just don’t see it working.
But hey, I’m always willing to be pleasantly surprised. It rarely happens because I’m such a grouch, but I can always have hope.
I’m also not fond of an animated series, I don’t think it could achieve as much.
@395 Respectfully, as a fellow Trek fan, I have the opposite opinion, I can’t imagine re-connecting with new actors portraying characters that I as a viewer became emotionally invested in, especially if those actors can’t do the character justice. I’d prefer new characters, getting to know them, developing that investment, the surprises, the good times, the bad. A well written and well acted series can bring so much, I want to become immersed. I want something that can make me think and make me feel.
I am talking about the suggestion made by another poster about updating the animated Star Trek that has already been made in the 1970′s. Animation has come a long way since the sixties and seventies.
“I am going to remember this thread fondly.”
Which part?
261,
go write some fanfic.
Jean-Luc Tiberius Sisko @216
You’re not crazy, I agree any new Star Trek TV should be much darker and grittier than anything thus far in the series. Really, only the new continuity stands any chance of doing that, because it already has a much darker tone (I don’t mean the bridge!).
I’ll say it again: “These are the voyages of the starship Kelvin” – man, what I wouldn’t give to see that!
401. Keachick – I know what you were talking about. I was just trying to explain my trepidation about animation, start a dialogue. Animation has indeed come a long way, but I’m not convinced it can pull off the emotion that a Star Trek show needs. I’m more than happy to be proven wrong, and would support any effort that would bring Trek back to TV, judging it only after I had seen it.
I found going darker completely turned me (and it seems most of its audience) off Stargate when it went that way with Universe.
66 I agree with you a series set post destruction of Romulus and Remus would be awesome,They could even have Denise Crosby return in a recurring role status as Sela
220, would they even allow 3 brothers to all serve aboard the same ship, I mean what happens if they go into battle and something happens and all 3 are killed.
Can some one get rid of that rabid Troll rebecca?
I think Jonas is hot too but thats no reason to put him in a star trek show- grow up & you will realise life is bigger than your latest teen media pawn.
Hey Rebecca, how about Donnie Osmond as Khan?
@398 N
I agree with you.
Not many folk here seem to like the thought of Star Trek taken to the 29th/30th century but I would love to see it.
You could crank up the technology and push it further forward and do all sorts of crazy stuff.
I also am probably in the minority when I think it would be quite cool to see a darker and grittier kind of Trek but still allowing for the camaraderie and positive feel of the original. Now that sounds impossible doesn’t it?
Can’t have your Kirk and eat it I suppose.
I would also like my TV to pass me a beer without having to get up to the fridge while all this is happening. If we could have this all happening by next weekend that would marvelous.
Cheers now and thanks a lot in much anticipation.
“beer is a drink that is best served cold”
:) peace out my crazy Trekmonkies
@406 – I have found a lot of people do like SGU, but they are *just* fans of SGU, and not the other Stargate shows. Sorry, but SG-1 and Atlantis are regarded as cheesy by a lot of science fiction fans who are into other shows.
Me, I have seen all the series and I think there’s good stuff in all of them, but in my opinion SGU is way more serious and realistic most of the time. I’m on my second pass through the series now, introducing it to my GF and she’s into it, but she can’t stomach much of SG-1.
I think the failure of SGU to attract viewers has more to do with the overall failure of SciFi / SyFy to be a viable network. They’ve dropped the ball with almost everything they had that was good. God forbid Star Trek should ever be in the hands of those asleep-at-the-wheel SyFy execs!
Some interesting ideas on this thread. Here are my own suggestions:
1. Set the show a few decades after DS9, perhaps in the immediate aftermath of the destruction of Romulus. The main storyline focuses on life at the very top of the Federation: the Presidency. It could be like a 25th Century version of The West Wing, but with more action, and of course plenty of Machiavellian interstellar intrigue and power politics.
The lead role of the Federation President could be played by Bruce Greenwood, as Christopher Pike’s grandson. Or maybe Tony Todd as “President Jake Sisko”.
2. The other option is to go into the past of ST history, and make the show all about The Eugenics Wars. Retcon the timeframe so the conflict is merged with WW3, set it in the 2040s, show the Augments seizing power all over the world, and pit Colonel Green against Khan Singh in a fight for global supremacy.
Make sure Manny Coto is involved, and let him really take the gloves off. Imagine the dark, thrilling vibe of the entire show being like Enterprise’s “In a Mirror, Darkly” two-parter, or the very best of DS9 and Ron D Moore’s BSG. And there’s your exciting epic.
If you wanted to include an extraterrestrial angle and a nod to the previous spinoffs, you could also have a secondary plotline about the Vulcans observing events spiralling towards the inevitable global thermonuclear war, and engaging in increasingly heated debates about whether they should intervene or stubbornly stick to the Prime Directive. Similarly, you could show a young and increasingly disillusioned Zephram Cochrane in the background somewhere, on the path towards developing warp drive (just why was he so cynical and so different to what the TNG crew in First Contact expected him to be like ? Just how did he end up knowing how to modify a nuclear missile ? Maybe he was originally a Werner Von Braun-type scientist in Green’s military).
But the main story focuses on the worldwide fight for domination between Green and Khan. The writers should learn from the mistake made by Ron D Moore on “Caprica”, where the fantastic final episode was how the otherwise-slow-moving show should’ve been right from the start.
So, in “Star Trek: The Eugenics Wars”, make sure the backstory is gripping from the very first episode, show it initially as a conspiracy thriller in the context of increasing global upheaval, end the first season with the demagogue Green rising to power (and managing to convince hundreds of millions of people to support him) and Khan and the rest of the Augments simultaneously seizing power worldwide, and take it from there. The show could have huge scope for BSG-style allegories for contemporary issues, “big picture” politics and philosophy etc.
Obviously the story ends (5 seasons later ?) with Khan and the surviving Augments fleeing Earth on-board the Botany Bay in the aftermath, Green put on trial for crimes against humanity and war crimes, and Cochrane taking refuge in that nuclear missile base. But the hook is finding out what actually happened on a global scale before that.
Show us what caused humanity to finally learn the right lessons and change direction towards the glittering future of Kirk’s 23rd Century.
Animated Trek done ala Clone Wars ?
It MIGHT work, it might not, we don’t know as it’s never been done with Trek
Yes it was done with Wars, but not with Trek, not really sure how it would be received by fans & the general public
Like Clone Wars it needs a movie / pilot episode, see how the ratings / BO are for that, then if the ratings are good or it makes some $ at the BO that counters the $ of making an all CGI animated Trek, then go for a series
- HOWEVER -
The biggest hurdle is Leslie Moonves ( you remember him don’t you ? ) he HATES all things Sci-Fi, Star Trek most of all, with the passion a a trillion burning suns, and he is the BIG BOSS of CBS / Viacom who won’t put the $ up for new Star Trek as he’s fine w/ getting $ off of the current library of shows & episodes he owns from the Viacom split
Now while it would be nice if Trek were back on TV, it’s not gonna happen under Leslie Moonves’ watch, and he’s not an old coot by any stretch, so no hoping he’ll die anytime before Trek’s big 5-0 rolls around y’all
As for bringing in young actors / actresses into a new series, why not ? Gotta start ‘em young if your going to do a multi-year running show, so bring in who’s hot right now, let ‘em show that have the ‘chops to do Sci-Fi / Fantasy and if they can’t cut it, move along & get someone who can, they should audition like anyone else in Hollywood would
Who knows maybe these young hot actors / actresses will surprise us ?
We just need to give ‘em a chance to break out of the preconceived notion that all they can do is what we’ve seen them do before….
Frank Welker [sp] would only be doing cartoon voices if folks didn’t give him a chance to do voice work for Live Action films, right ?
Someone make a show about how five friends, all trekkies were duped into thinking the old timeline still exist and how each processes the news when they find out from an old physics professor that this was never going to be possible.
One may jump off a building, another has to work through some marriage issues,One turns bitter but eventually finds peace after joining a cult, another eventually discovers life after finally turning off the tv and walking out of his bedroom, and one goes to jail for stalking William Shatner.
Now that could be some good television.
KEACHICK: You can watch all of TAS at no cost via startrek.com
I presume it runs over the internet in NZ no problems, but am not sure. Check it out and let us know?
BRYAN, BRYAN, what is bryan? I would rather have Brian Griffith produce Trek. A team of Seth MacFarlane and Manny Coto producing would be FAR superior. Get David Goodman on board too, and Naren Shankar. There’s a team.
That’s what I get for watching the Super Bowl, I miss a perfectly good thread and a teen aged rant…..odd as it sounds, TOS captured the imagination of very young people back in the 70′s, so, even if she’s a bit immature (and not a troll), it’s actually good to see some young blood here.
Rebecca, if you have a point, make it. Also understand that freedom of speech does not mean you have a right to be heard, or your opinions accepted as truth. If your thought got shot full of holes, accept that it might have been a bad idea, and move on.
@205. Somehow I don’t see James Cromwell doing series TV. It also presents a sticky problem of if you want to tie that series into the concept of the Vulcans not letting us into space for the next hundred years – recall that bit of canon was established in ENT.
Is it too late to bring back my old suggestion of a Star Trek anthology series? ;)
P.S. Wasn’t the Rock’s acting debut on Voyager? ;-) again
If ‘Star Trek’ resumes, go with what works: Prime universe. Federation space. 80 years later. New Enterprise, new crew.
DS9 began the ratings fall, VOY & ENT accelerated it.
You can’t even find those shows in syndication anymore.
This is the most humorous comments section I have ever seen on this site. Hey folks, just remember: it takes all kinds….
@416
Seth McFarlane and Manny Coto. A dream team for Trek right there…
It is likely that all the special effects work would be CG, so we need to get someone like Daren Dochterman or Tobias Richter for the ship work. along with Mike and Denise Okuda who are walking Trek encyclopedias. All we then need are writers that understand how to fuse science fiction with good drama. Obviously some decent actors would help too…
@414
How long until Leslie Moonves steps down or is perhaps forced to resign due to some inappropriate behaviour? Come on people! the evidence is there, we just have to plant, er, find it… ;-)
I know everyone has their hopes and thoughts on a new show, but I like to be more realistic in my speculations.
IF animated: it would be a Kirk and crew show on the Enterprise, but it would not be canon. The uniforms, ship, etc., would be different, more action styled. It would be in the Trek 09 universe. Think of the animated Transformers Prime show. It is not the same universe as the Bay movies. It would probably air on HUB, or possiblely Cartoon Network.
IF live-action: It would also be in the Trek 09 universe, but with a non-Kirk crew. It would feature some type of premise-gimmick, similar to how Voyager was “lost in space” or DS9 was a station near a wormhole. In other words, it would not be just a ship show like TNG. It could air on CBS, but most likely Syfy or syndication. I highly doubt it would end up on the CW since it would be too high profile.
LOL at the Bueller Honda advert, Vults. Very good i thought.
I am in for a tng era, search copyright for star trek frontier, i have made some good progress on the story and characters since its copyright was made, fuller and singer could like it i believe. i have changed names of characters and uncreased set layouts and more script ideas.
it would be great!
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AJ, one thing that killed Star Trek was UPN. Here in Cincinnati, it was hard to get. UPN which had Voyager and Enterprise was on a dinky station which had very little power in Cincy. I’m sure British Naval Dude who lived in Cincinnati fought hard to watch it but the average viewer probably gave up.
Availability killed Enterprise
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UPN#Availability
I just watched “I Borg” again. No action. All talk. Fascinating ideas. Anthony is right. Star Trek belongs on TV. The ideas in “I Borg” would have a hard time in the movies because of the need to satisfy teenagers who want big explosions. Maybe if CBS would put Star Trek on AMC, TNT or SyFy would it flourish.
I’d love to see something fresh. Not the same again. Why not set in the future? A destroyed Federation. No more Starfleet. All dark an gritty. Humans are scattered or slaves of the alien entities that won the war. But a young lieutenant Kirk on board a freighter learns about humanitys past. He sets out to find a crew and discovers the wreckage of an old Federation starship, the USS Enterprise. Together they embark on a mission – to restore the Federation and bring back hope to humanity. Something like that…
I don’t want Bryan Singer anywhere near star trek.
I rather wait until the Supreme Court crew finishes their third movie then Paramount Studio and CBS can start new Star Trek series in a few years after the final movie.
We need to avoid saturation of the franchise.
I’ve realised that my earlier comment (#413) is probably far too long ;) Here’s a shorter summary:
1. Set the show a few decades after DS9, perhaps in the immediate aftermath of the destruction of Romulus. The main storyline focuses on life at the very top of the Federation: the Presidency. It could be like a 25th Century version of The West Wing, but with more action, and of course plenty of Machiavellian interstellar intrigue and power politics.
The lead role of the Federation President could be played by Bruce Greenwood, as Christopher Pike’s grandson. Or maybe Tony Todd as “President Jake Sisko”.
2. The other option is to go into the past of ST history, and make the show all about The Eugenics Wars. Retcon the timeframe so the conflict is merged with WW3, set it in the 2040s, show the Augments seizing power all over the world, and pit Colonel Green against Khan Singh in a fight for global supremacy. Make sure Manny Coto is involved, and let him really take the gloves off. Imagine the dark, thrilling vibe of the entire show being like Enterprise’s “In a Mirror, Darkly” two-parter, or the very best of DS9 and Ron D Moore’s BSG. And there’s your exciting epic. The show could have huge scope for BSG-style allegories for contemporary issues, “big picture” politics and philosophy etc. Let’s see the full scale of the devastating global events that caused humanity to finally learn the right lessons and change direction towards the glittering future of Kirk’s 23rd Century.
Anyone interested can check out #413 for the rest of my thoughts.
Do we know if their are only going to be three movies? If so I guess that could be Paramount and CBS’s plan, wait until the trilogy is over and do a new Trek TV series. How long they should wait after the trilogy to air a new series and not oversaturate Trek again like they did the last time.
430: I never liked that phrase “saturation of the franchise.” I look at other things like Batman, Law & Order, CSI, etc., that are currently being made in multiple media and yet are still going strong. The most successful is probably Batman. The Caped Crusader can be found in comics, a mega-successful video game, ultra-successful movie trilogy, animated shows and direct-to-video movies. I don’t think Batman is suffering from “franchise fatigue” at all.
But why does it work for Batman and not for Star Trek from early 2000s? I think the answer is quality and differentiation. Star Trek had too much of the same thing. In each of Batman’s various incarnations, they have their own canon. Star Trek’s creators had to worry too much about continuity.
That said, maybe a Star Trek tv show should be another reboot.
#433
Good point. I never thought Trek was getting “over saturated,” just stale.
I think it should be set in the future so as suggested by the Enterprise show, we see a battle with the Enterprise J and the Xendi fighting together against those time altering aliens that were creating the expanse.
Gawd, I’d love to be involved in this in any capacity.
Everyone says that the Abramsverse clears the way for new stories without continuity issues clogging creativity.
That is, if it retroactively also rippled backward. There is still plenty of continuity to be dealt with before Kirk’s birth in the STAR TREK universe.
For 5 series and 10 movies, with minor exceptions, the continuity was held tightly. I’ve always felt the notion “continuity issues clogging creativity” was a poor excuse. Especially when you’re dealing with a man who created “LOST”.
So far as I’m concerned, the fact that the Romulans were visually identified by a Federation crew decades before anyone knew what they looked like, and the fact that a ship that met those same Romulans was more advanced looking than anything seen even in the 24th century, I’d go with the whole new universe being a whole new universe right from the get go, based on an already existing universe.
.Which is, quite simply, a remake.
hello i am from france, my english is a little carzy, so please be nice when i make my mistake!
i wonder, who will have the part of darth vaders in next star trek film? i hope that it is tom cruise or somebody nice and big.
greeting from france!
438
Jerry Lewis?
410 ha ha ha, now there’s a Khan casting idea i can get behind lol
@438.
Richard Lewis?
434: Vultan.
Yeah, that’s the word I was looking for: stale. Too much of the same thing.
434 – But in some markets DS9 was on OPPOSITE Voyager… that is over saturation, or think of it as dilution of your franchise.
That should never have been allowed to occur.
438: Etes-vous serieux?
C’est quoi ce charabia que tu racontes?
#443
Not so much over saturation, just really dumb scheduling.
The perfect candidate to play a new captain is Oded Fehr.
We the public, were oversaturated with Bermaga Trek.
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However, we were *starving* for more Coto/Gar’n'Judy/David Goodman/Ron Moore/etc. Trek.
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If Coto had been given a season 5, it would have been… *glorious*.
I’m thinking that any new series that CBS will make would involve non-TOS characters. Paramount owns the rights to the TOS characters, and wouldn’t allow CBS to use them. I suspect that from now on, the TOS characters will be strictly big-screen material. Paramount will just recast the roles of Kirk, Spock, McCoy and co. after several movies. CBS would have to use other characters.
@438. Um, Darth Vader is not in Star Trek, he is in Star Wars.
@449 Yeah, so were R2D2 and the Millennium Falcon…oh wait.
How about this?
Young Commander Jean-Luc Picard & his friend, Lt. Commander Jack Crusher are assigned to their first day of duty on the USS Stargazer, under a new Captain.
The story of how Picard becomes a Captain & the events leading to Crusher’s death are chronicled from there.
It would be interesting but I don’t think it has enough depth, sounds like it would only just make flashback episode to me. James McAvoy would have to play the young Picard in either case, he channelled Patrick Stewart as Professor X perfectly towards the end of First Class, he’d make an authentic Picard too.
@450. Not sure what you are referring to here, other than the supposed presence of R2 in the debris field when Enterprise gets to Vulcan in ST2009 (which I have never found one shred of confirmation of), I certainly have never heard anything about the Falcon being in Trek. If I am wrong please drop me a hint of what I should be looking at.
MF is in First Contact, during the battle with the Cube.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/File:Akira_and_Millennium_Falcon.jpg
“According to Voyages of Imagination, the Animated Series was officially removed from canon at Gene Roddenberry’s request in 1988.”
So TAS was canon before 1988 and the only Star Trek that won an Emmy award for best children’s television series, even though the series wasn’t just aimed at children, but families. I am not sure why Gene Roddenberry had it removed from being accepted canon, but it was stupid. What an ass! Many people, including Gene R. did not really take animated film seriously as they do live action, thinking that it is just meant for children. However, when one looks at all the wonderful animated movies etc, it seems a rather foolish notion not to take the medium as seriously as live action.
With the advances, people are taking it more seriously and seeing animation as not just being simple entertainment for the kids, despite the fact doing good animation requires a lot of artistic skill. This has been a cultural perception or perhaps, misconception.
Apparently, I believe that animation has long been a popular way of telling stories dealing with adult themes, many very violent ones, in places like Japan.
Perhaps, I am mistaken, but I am sure that I read that Paramount/CBS(?) franchise owners have reinstated the series as being canon because it appears on film. I hope so.
I was agreeing with a suggestion made by another poster on this thread which was that the TAS series be upgraded with the latest CG etc and receive the same kind of remastering that TNG and other Star Trek series are receiving.
Ahem. If I may return to the Jonas Brothers/Demi Lovato Star Trek idea for a moment, please?
The idea that you have three brothers, not only serving on the same ship, but on the same bridge. That’s actually an atypical Star Trek premise that you could build some drama around.
Any new Star Trek series, if it isn’t going to be a reboot of TOS, needs some new premise that will offer some dramatic CHARACTER material. Not just bland characters zipping around space discovering stuff while technobabbling the viewer into a slack jawed drooling trance.
Earth 2 could easily have been a new Star Trek show premise. A series based on the actual colonization of a strange new world. Similar premise to Terra Nova, which seems to be working. It has the obligatory dinosaur scene in each episode to remind you where you are, but it’s the characters and the premise that make it work.
I would like to see a new Animated Series. As far as Live Action, I’d use the characters of Kirk and crew and start them in a third Universe. You’ll need new actors anyway. That way they can update the previous timeline getting rid of things like the Eugenics War in the 1990s and maybe start it in the 25th century. That way they can use updated real world events from the past 40+ years in the background history.
#438: How do you say, “Obvious troll is obvious” in French?
This site is getting trolled quite a bit more than normal the past while.
dmduncan you have contradicted yourself, having…things like the jonas brothers would give you the blandest characters ever and leave 9 year old girls in a slack jawed drooling trance. Franchise dead.
Why is it always the Kirk and co reboot, they’re extremely overrated characters. Too many reboots, too many Kirks, at least Generations kills him twice to make up for it.
IMHO if one wanted to have a group of (actual) brothers on the bridge of a starship it would be a very bad idea to use a group with unproven (and doubtful) acting skills. A better idea if one wanted to go that route would be IMO to cast Jerry and Charlie O’Connell, who at least have a long acting pedigree and an established fanbase (not composed of children). Heck even the Baldwin brothers would be a better pick (and I don’t even like them). Or even better you could cast the Freeman siblings Cassidy, Clark, and Crispin. Cassidy of course being better known as Tess Mercer/Luthor from Smallville, Clark is better known as Officer Ketcham in Beverly Hills Chihuahua, and Crispin is best known (to me) as the voice of Red Arrow on Young Justice and the voice of Will Turner in the Pirates of the Caribbean video games.
This entire discussion has become a science fiction story itself. And it just keeps getting more bizarre. I’m not sure if I should remain and gape at the twitching corpse, or leave :-)
460. N – February 6, 2012
dmduncan you have contradicted yourself, having…things like the jonas brothers would give you the blandest characters ever and leave 9 year old girls in a slack jawed drooling trance. Franchise dead.
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No contradiction, as I had previously pointed out that there’s nothing wrong with having different permutations of Star Trek for different age groups, in the same way that you have various cartoons for Batman or Superman. You just scale it down. Right now I’m talking about Star Trek for a mainstream crowd, as opposed to a niche crowd. The context has changed.
“Why is it always the Kirk and co reboot, they’re extremely overrated characters.”
YMMV. To me, every new set of characters for each new series was progressively less interesting. Certainly nothing in Star Trek on TV was nearly as brilliant or exciting to me as the BSG reboot or Firefly.
And TNG (the best of the new Treks, I thought) was about as inspired as the time period in which it ran — TNG was born during a time of relative peace and quiet, certainly in comparison to today and the 1960′s; a brief war in the gulf and a bunch of political loons thought and acted as if The Utopia was upon us. Same is true of TOS, which reflected the cultural upheaval of the 60′s, and probably also part of the reason why it’s still more interesting. The original idea was a strike of lightning in a time of cultural electrical storms.
Correction/463: “Certainly nothing in Star Trek on TV” since TOS,
I should have wrote.
What if they rebooted Trek again on TV after the movies set it on the Enterprise 1701 no bloody A,B,C,D or E and set it in TNG’s time frame? Maybe it could the Grandkid’s of Kirk and crew from Abram’s movies?
The reason that 3 brothers on the same ship and bridge is a premise to me is because that gives you some dramatic material to work with. The Brothers Karamazov in space. There’s a family dynamic that colors how the stories are told. And I mention Dostoevsky there intentionally to indicate the dynamic can be very interesting. It doesn’t have to be soap opera.
Whether you like that idea or not, that’s the TYPE of thing I mean by a premise, where interesting things come out of THAT relationship between the characters that you wouldn’t otherwise have.
And it doesn’t have to be that. That’s just the sort of dynamic to look out for. Of course, if the brothers are also brothers in real life, that makes it interesting off screen as well, from a publicity standpoint.
Don’t freak out. The chances are very slim you’ll ever see the Jonas Brothers in that type of show, even if that particular premise were produced.
The Jonas Brothers may well be consigned to a professional hell in which they are perennial teenage heart-throbs, largely because people cannot change how they see other people, even if the people they see, do themselves change.
dmduncan please stop posting like Rebecca enough with the Jonas Brothers, I hope they become a fad.
I like the brothers in space idea. Not so sure about the Jonas Brothers though. Actors need not necessarily be related to play convincing siblings.
@463 YMMV? TOS does reflect it’s time, it’s like a pollyanna drug trip. Too colourful, too daft, and that soft focus thing yuk. You may find it interesting, film like all art is a subjective medium, but it’s ridiculous and boring to me.
I also can’t see how TNG is “New Trek” but then it’s older than I am so it’s obviously going to be a little difficult.
@466 If teen heartthrob is now synonymous with having 9 year old girls screeching over you, like twilight…
@467 I thought they were a fad, past tense.
I want to see something new, new ship, new characters with their own stories to tell and unique lives to be explored and invested in. Why is it so farfetched to think somebody will come up with something that isn’t rehash?
@466. Okay, how about the Baldwin brothers, then? The Quaid brothers could be interesting, too?
#470 – What about just one Baldwin brother – Adam as Captain? He was great in Chuck as John Casey.
@471. Adam Baldwin is not related to Alec, Billy or the others, the identical last name is coincidental, but there is no familial connection. But Adam would be a great Starfleet captain, just look at his character on Firefly (Jane).
@470. I already suggested the Baldwins up at 461. :)
Don’t forget Darth Vader & Miss Piggy in Star Trek: The Motion Picture during Spock’s space walk inside V’ger
470. “The Quaid brothers could be interesting, too?”
Good luck in Canada chasing down Randy, who turned into his character from Independence Day.
I have seen Piggy & Vader in the film but I’m still looking for the Millenium Falcon & R2 D2…
466. What do you mean the chances are very slim that the Jonas Brothers will be on their very own Star Trek show? I want that to happen 4 real.
Shouldn’t trolls stay under the bridge?
@477. Well, unless you have three to five million an episode to drop on sci-fi television broadcasting, the likelihood of any Star Trek making it’s way onto TV anytime soon is slim.
Oh come on there WILL be a new Star Trek TV show . NOT NOW, But in 2016 OR 2020
459. JP – February 6, 2012:
“#438: How do you say, “Obvious troll is obvious” in French?
This site is getting trolled quite a bit more than normal the past while.”
…and we can expect it to get worse unless people stop feeding willy nilly and wanker.
We wonder how teen girls get lured into hell knows what by middle aged men on the Internet. Go to TM to see middle aged (and every age) men/women get lured into troll land by a teen prankster (or perhaps by a middle aged malcontent posing as a lovesick teen).
I am now convinced “rebecca” is a balding, overweight 45 year old Texan virgin named George living in parent’s basement.
Rebecca, how about they bring in Donnie Osmond to play Khan?
#483.
If they do that, then the punchline will be “KKKHHHAAAAANNNNNIIIIEEEEE!”
that’s it. I quit. FOR GOOD!
479. Phil – February 6, 2012
Was really impressed that BSG stayed on as long as it did. A minor miracle. In every department, actually.
481: “…and we can expect it to get worse unless people stop feeding willy nilly and wanker.
We wonder how teen girls get lured into hell knows what by middle aged men on the Internet. Go to TM to see middle aged (and every age) men/women get lured into troll land by a teen prankster (or perhaps by a middle aged malcontent posing as a lovesick teen).”
Reminds me of when Howard Stern sent Stuttering John to an audience with the Dalai Lama, and Richard Gere was calling on people to ask questions.
When he called on Stuttering John, the questions were stupid. Of course. That’s why he was there. To try to cause embarrassment so that other people who were “in” on the joke could laugh. And this made Richard Gere very uncomfortable.
But not the Dalai Lama, who calmed Richard Gere down and answered the questions he was being asked as best he could.
Suddenly, what Stuttering John (and Howard Stern) were doing wasn’t funny.
The moral? Anybody can pretend to be anyone on the internet. They may be who they say they are, or they may be pulling a Howard Stern prank.
But the joke is never on the person who answers honestly.
The Dalai Lama is also above swatting flies, but that doesn’t mean he sets out Kool Aid.
487. NCM – February 6, 2012
The Dalai Lama is also above swatting flies, but that doesn’t mean he sets out Kool Aid.
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Sorry, NCM, but I’m not following your train of thought. Who is setting out Kool Aid and for whom? You lost me.
@488: dmduncan:
I’m saying that we don’t need to encourage nuisance. If trolling is suspected, I think ignoring it is taking the high road, not engaging it. The latter will, of course, encourage inappropriate behavior–that’s not doing anyone a favor.
Good night, dmduncan.
Darker and gritty: I’m there. Animated Trek: not so much. Like it was said earlier, it would lack the dramatic and emotional punch necessary for riveting storytelling.. Space is a scary, vast and lonely place. I think it should be depicted as such.
463. dmduncan. Very well said.
We already have too much dark and gritty in so many television shows and movies. Star Trek always tried to provide a ray of hope, light…
It still can, maybe more so, in contrast with a more “real” depiction of the human condition.
How can we acknowledge and overcome our shortcomings if we can’t recognize ourselves in the storyline?
#492
Well put, Keachick.
DS9 handled darkness well enough. Anything darker would seem… eh, too dark for my tastes anyway.
“This is bat country!”
I had a friend in the nineties who said if you got a bunch of Ross Perot supporters in a room, a fight would break out inside of 10 minutes. I sometimes feel that way about Trekkers. Star Trek means different things to different people, with its incarnations spanning nearly five decades.
@484 “If they do that (case Donnie Osmond as Khan), then the punchline will be “KKKHHHAAAAANNNNNIIIIEEEEE!”
Remember, he’s a little bit Khantry, and she’s a little bit of rocket and roll.
444.VZX,
No wonder “trolls” flourish.
They seem to be giffted with the ability to lure people into revealing their talents.
So, NOW you make whole sentences in French? And, what’s more to someone you consider a troll ???
I’m offended.
But, “seriously “, do you really post from North America ( since, I assume that’s where you live )? You could be posting from one of my neighbours’ house, for all I know, all the while sending people, on this board, greetings from…… The United States……….’See what I mean?
:)
498: Aurore,
Wait, what?
I apologize if I offended you. I didn’t call anyone a troll. I’m not a fan of that term. I do live in the U.S.
Je ne comprende pas.
Hi, VZX.
A few hours ago, I might have offended dmduncan (… ahem…Hi, dmduncan. Did you read my last post on the “Metamorphosis thread” ? ).
And, now, you seem to believe that you have offended me. The internet can truly be a place for misunderstandings, at times.
VZX, you did NOT offend me, and I did notice that you never call anyone a troll. I did , I should not have. What I typed in 498 was said in jest. “Lame”? Possibly ; it was a… half joke if you will.
:)
Not sure they could make another Trek TV show work. Perhaps there’s already been one too many trips to that particular well.
If they tried it I’d give another vote to the idea of ‘Star Trek: The Next, Next Generation’. A new Enterprise, new characters, new stories, new aliens and out on the frontier exploring again. Maybe give the callbacks to previous alien races and situations (the Borg, the Ferengi, even the Romulans and Klingons) a rest. Not saying they should never be featured or referenced again, just shift the emphasis to new stuff.
…There was one point I was serious about, though.
Some posters appear to have believed that the person you were addressing was from France. Of course, he* might have been. But, then again, he might have been from another place. How could we possibly know, for sure ?
* Pierre is a male name, however, on the internet “Pierre” could be anyone…
@198.Jack
Excellent summation right there. Any new Star Trek needs to create new ‘history’, not endlessly join the dots of the old, already well developed continuity from the Berman years.
#503, 198 – That’s a good point, Trek on TV should do the same thing the reboot movies did and start from scratch with a new history. That way they could start it from either the late 2100′s with the Romulan War or later with the 2200′s or the 2300′s.
500. “The internet can truly be a place for misunderstandings, at times”.
Sheesh, I know what you mean. My sarcasm, on occasion, has been underestimated here. (@317, 330) But I blame myself. I need to turn it up a notch, leaving no doubt as to my truly nefarious intentions.
SEYMOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You’re back!
Where have you been ?!
Ah…Nevermind that ; it’s good to see you, again.
“But I blame myself. I need to turn it up a notch, leaving no doubt as to my truly nefarious intentions.”
…Well, I blame myself too ; I need to be more careful when I type…
You go on do your nefarious stuff, seymour. I support you, and, stand on your side.
@504. Craiger.
Ah, no, that’s not what I meant actually (and I don’t think it was what Jack@198 meant either.)
I’d rather see them go further into the future away from the TNG-Nemesis time period. When I said let’s create new ‘history’ I was thinking of new developments/events/continuity in the ‘future’; stuff that doesn’t need to keep referring back to canon established on TNG or DS9 etc. I suppose my use of the word ‘history’ could have been confusing here – sorry!
BTW, I think this could be done, given enough vision and imagination. The Ferengi, the Cardassians and the Borg were all new creations on TNG not present in TOS (despite attempts at ret-conning). The types of stories and the character-work on TNG did become quite different to what we got on TOS as well.
New types of stories not based on existing backstories could be devised; new aliens (perhaps made truly alien with CGI and not just people with bumpy foreheads!); more realism with respect to character drama and more danger and mystery. I think TV Trek could be modernized again, in much the same way that TNG was an ‘update’ of TOS.
OK, Aurore, I get it.
This guy, though, was just trying to get a rise out of us. “Oh, let’s mess with the Trekkies and ask if Tom Cruise is playing Darth Vader. Oh, I’m such a badass.”
That’s almost as bad as the Jonas brothers thing. Almost.
Anywho, Aurore, you’re cool.
507…
Yeah, I remember working on a similar thing with this one guy for fun in the 90s. We were going to place the show another 100 years after TNG with more advanced tech. It’d be called Time Trek and be based heavily on time travel. The new Enterprise would be a time-ship. It was fun.
Anyway, I do not think that doing a show in the far future post-Nemesis will work. It should be based in the Trek 09 timeline and timeframe since that is what Joe Public is now aware of. Since there is so much risk in creating a TV show as expensive as a new Star Trek, you gotta play it safe. The target audience should NOT be us. It should be the general action movie-going public (16-35 years old).
Aurore! Girl, I knew you’d be there for me! Never doubted it. But I can’t talk right now …plotting…plotting…
I’d say there are some things that need to be considered on any new Trek (TV show or otherwise):
The technobabble definitely needs to be kept to a minimum. Characters standing around ‘explaining’ how they’re going to configure the deflector to emit a micro-nano-tachyon-energy-thingumy-watsit beam became very tiresome in the end. A few sciencey sounding bits are okay if they genuinely develop the plot, otherwise make the dialogue just normal dialogue.
Make the aliens and the alien planets a bit more weird and/or dangerous. Bermaga Trek started to feel too cosy and safe after a while – sort of pat and predictable, like another day at the office or something.
Anyone else find that these couple of aspects need a rethink if Trek is to come back to TV successfully?
I am so under-appreciated. But I’m working on something that will change all that from now on. I will rid the world of the jonas brothers and their corporate masters once and for all and exile them on a remote, ice-covered planetoid. BAWHAWAH! Ahem Or something like that.
511. I think you nailed it. One reason why I did not regard TNG very highly.
@509. VZX.
A time-ship idea might be interesting in theory. All of time and space to explore… Although that could be an expensive show to produce and might end up resembling Doctor Who in some respects! Besides, in practice I think it would prove too tempting to keep visiting earlier Trek eras and then of course we’re back to convoluted continuity shenanigans. Not a good idea at all IMO.
I fear you’re probably correct about the future direction of Trek on TV. A tie-in with the Abrams film would probably make the most sense at this point in time. That wouldn’t be my preference, but I’ve already had ‘my Trek’ so I can’t really grumble. ‘The Next, Next Generation’ might still come to fruition given enough time (and money) further down the line.
489. NCM – February 6, 2012
@488: dmduncan:
I’m saying that we don’t need to encourage nuisance. If trolling is suspected,
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Oh man, if I had half a cent for every suspicion I ever had!
I think two valuable things to think about came out of this discussion, regardless of who rebecca is.
1. It pointed out that any new Star Trek show needs to have some engaging premise. In that respect, the Jonas Bros was merely a particular stimulus that led to that abstraction.
2. There are some “adult” Trek fans who think Star Trek is exclusively for adults, and that even the suggestion — the SUGGESTION!!! — that a version could be made for kids, or a particular group of kids, will make those “adult” Trek fans behave like kids.
I’d say the joke, ultimately, is on those who were trying to shut rebecca up. Only AP and rebecca can do that.
514:
We think a lot alike. Scary. I agree about my Time Trek concept: it would get crazy and expensive and bascially be Dr. Who is space. But my point was that a new show placed in the Prime Universe is very risky. The Bryans (or whoever creates the show) should not cater to the fans. While I would love nothing better than a show based on the Enterprise-H or I or K, it is just not the safe way to go for the studio.
Hey, an Abrams-verse show could work very well. It would also be great for the show-runners to not be tied down by 50 years of continuity. I just don’t get why so many people are against it. It’s not my preference, but I’ll take what I can get and hope for the best.
500. Aurore – February 7, 2012
Just went there! I have never felt insulted by anything you’ve ever said to me!
491. moauvian waoul – aka: seymour hiney – February 6, 2012
Thanks!
Okay, there really was no reason to be piling on Rebecca like that. JJ and his crew made a movie with the intention of reaching a younger audience, it’s that younger audience that will ensure that Trek hangs around for a while. For all the sneering about the Jonas Brothers, how many wrestlers and pro athletes did guest shots on Trek?
Time Trek? What, Dr. Who and Quantum Leap didn’t explore that enough? The problem with that is that while you could look past FTL as a prop tool, the entire premise of a time traveling ship hangs on your ability to time travel…and not mess with history. It’s just way to gimmicky, and if anyone writes a story about 30th century Federation time police “fixing” the past, it begs a huge moral question, who decides what gets fixed? This has been a failing of Trek for a while now, that science is not in need of ethics.
A series on the J would be cool, it’s a nice looking ship, but I’d still like to see a Wells class hero ship.
@509 You do realise there are some of “us” in the 16-35 age range, right?
@516. VZX.
An Abrams-verse show might be fun (I enjoyed Trek ’09), but what is it going to consist of I wonder? Not Kirk/Spock/McCoy, at least not at the moment, as that’s what we’ve got at the cinema. Expanding out from that might be less risky than going with the Enterprise-H in the 25th century (in the Prime Universe or whatever the cool internet kidz are calling it lol), but we’re still going away from the core concept of the franchise again.
I suppose it does depend on what you think that core premise is. To me iconic Star Trek is a crew on the Enterprise exploring space, encountering aliens and generally telling high concept sci-fi stories, often dealing with real world issues.
Yes, we’ve had Federation politics and soap opera mixed in from time to time plus some action and pure camp, but without this rationale there is a danger you can end up with insular, continuity-obsessed fan-fic.
The notion that every conceivable story that could be told in the Trek-verse should be told in order to ‘fill in gaps’ and basically engage in ‘world-building’ I personally find rather tiresome. Similarly, trying to come up with a theme or a quest or a story arc for the show that goes outside the core premise is not really ‘Star Trek’ – it’s a spin-off designed to appeal to an existing fan base.
Could a spin-off of Abrams Trek work? Perhaps, given that the first film was very successful. But then of course the spin-offs success might be too closely tied to the success of the film series. Finding a way for such a show to stand independently might prove quite difficult I think.
I’m all for trying to get kids into Trek, I just don’t agree with the idea of the Jonas Brothers. That would be pandering to a small demographic, in my opinion. The 9-13 year old age group made up mostly of females, who’d move on to other things pretty quickly anyway. And there is no guarantee that the Jonas fans would automatically follow the brothers on a Trek show. The Jonas fans might be turned off, and feel that the brothers jumped the shark. And Trek fans, as well as the mainstream, might feel the same way about Trek.
RDR – Didn’t all Trek in general except for TNG only get a small demographic? I think the only mainstream Trek was TNG. Didn’t they lie about the number of letters being sent into NBC to save TOS and it was smaller then they said? I think they even said in the 60′s their was only a small number of Scifi fans also. DS9, Voyager and Enterprise never really appealled to the mainstream audience right? The next Trek series needs the mainstream audience just like the new movie got in addition to the Trek fans. However I don’t think the can pander to the Trek fans complaints if their would be any twoard any new series.
519. Phil – February 7, 2012
OMG: Yeah, I did agree that a Time Trek show, while interesting, would not work. I was just using it as an example.
If they want a new, yet familiar universe, why not do a Mirror Universe series, I mean look how good IaMD is, a modern Second Terran Empire series could be so dark and so fun.
#523.
Yeah, that’s true. TNG did quite well in the ratings, but it was syndicated, something that doesn’t happen anymore. TOS got a small, but hardcore audience during its run on NBC, but after it became syndicated in the seventies, the ratings grew exponentially. “Deep Space Nine” always had solid ratings, but nothing spectacular, and below TNG’s numbers. “Voyager” started out well, but peetered out eventually. Ditto for “Enterprise”.
The mainstream would be needed for a new Trek series. You can’t pander to the Trek fans either. But that doesn’t mean the studio should ignore the fans. It all has to be a balanced strategy. By staying true to the ideals and ideas of Trek, but also to modernize it, to mould it into a twenty-first century culturally relevant icon.
‘rebecca’ is a sockpuppet, guys, who is laughing every time the Jonas Bros. becomes part of the discourse. Why not have the Monkees guest-star?
Okay, I doubt that CBS is going to license Trek to Disney to build a series around the Jonas Brothers, so everyone needs to take a real long deep breath. If they chose to pursue a pure acting gig, auditioned for and won the role it wouldn’t be any more or less believeable then JJ picking CP and ZQ to lead his re-boot. I seem to recall that prior to those roles being cast, the only actors considered as serious contenders on these boards were A-listers. Besides, TNG survived with Wesley Crusher, who’s only purpose was to be the kid magnet.
Scok puppet or not, where is the harn in considering a Trek vehicle aimed at a younger audience? Several regulars here scream about the need to reach a younger audience, but even a tounge in cheek suggestion unleashes open hostility.
521. tubular_trekkie
While I don’t agree fully agree with your core Star Trek concept, I do agree that the world-building is tiresome. We have about 500 hours of produced TV in the prime universe. As someone said, it became stale.
Craiger is right. It needs to appeal to as wide an audience as possible. While my favorite Trek is DS9, I know that would never work now. Star Trek has lasted as long as it did because of its wide appeal. A new show should maintain that as much as possible.
528 Phil:
An animated Trek show would be the perfect method of attracting a younger audience.
The problem with trying to attract a younger audience is that they may be all you attract, especially if it’s aimed at children. The same can also be said when people try and attract the general audience, as the general audience is fickle, if you target the general audience of today will you still be able to hold the interest of the general audience of tomorrow?
531. I think it is a balance game. Sure, you can go for that small niche, but the audience will be small. Then again, there is a market for it.
I wouldn’t worry with trying to attact a younger audience. An animated Trek show similar to, say, Justice League or even Young Justice, would be fine. Keep the stories smart with adult themes but sprinkled with the action and sci-fi spectacle with some character development would be perfect.
@530. Possibly, but there needs to be something to hold that audience once they get past the cartoon years. There is a reason Geroge Lucus is developing Star Wars for TV, and I’d bet it’s because he knows he can’t keep repackaging Episodes 1-6 forever. There is a 100 year gap between TOS and TNG worth exploring. We don’t need to just look to canon for guidence on what to do, otherwise the only brave new world we will get is endless suggestions about doing “the Romulan war, ooooo, space battles”.
I always get a bit angry when I see a 4-year-old talking ‘Star Wars.’ My 8-year old loved Star Wars from about 4, because of toys and constant reiterations both on TV and screen. Also, R2D2 and Yoda seem to captivate kids with their oddly cuddly cuteness.
We had several kids in the house last month. I have a plastic light-sabre, a gift from my son. I know what it is, a twelve-year-old visiting identified it immediately, and most a recently, a 4-year old said “Wow! A light sabre!” I gave it to him. Gave himself a black eye with it when his dad showed him how to open it.
The 4 Playmates Enterprises went unnoticed.
Trek is a tough sell to kids. I’ve tried with my two, 11 & 8. Just like that “Onion” video about how Star Trek fans complained that the new film was fun, there is not that light-heartedness or sense of fun for fun’s sake that Lucas brought to his original trilogy. We fans walked out of ST09 worrying about the Vulcan diaspora and the engine room’s design instead of being so happy R2D2 was still alive in Episode IV. Kids buy dolls of R2D2 and Yoda, and adults spend $3,000 on handmade Enterprise models with lights, storing them in boxes.
It’s not a criticism of either property.. Kids do get into the Trek usually by catching a cool ep, or going to the cinema with their parents. But, when they socialize in school or camp, it’s Star Wars. I had to watch ‘Revenge of the Sith’ on Spike TV with my son a few years ago because his entire 1st grade class was planning to. I thought to myself: “That’s the one where Darth Vader mass murders a school-full of children before getting chopped up by his mentor,” but I went with it.
That was certainly NOT for children, but the marketing just keeps ‘Star Wars’ alive through the generations. ‘Star Trek’ releases a film, does some marketing, releases the DVD and a few toys. They sell out for resellers on eBay, and then the marketing machine goes away until whatever’s next: No support. It’s not treated as a property, but now, on a film-by-film basis. We’re not selling ‘Star Trek,’ but ‘Star Trek XII.’
A step-change in the direction of how the series is marketed (supported by money, of course) would get younger viewers involved. A thoughtful and action-packed cartoon with appropriate merchandising would be a superb way of getting our kids into the fold as well. It’s the adventures of those guys from the movie, and off we go.
AJ, for that step change to occur, someone, somewhere needs to be thinking more with their marketing hat on then with their canon hat. I’m not saying ignore it, but a bit less emphisis on Prime Directive and a bit more of the thrill of exploring the unknown would help. Like it or not, Star Wars was a story arc (well, two, actually). Renegades throwing off the opression of the evil empire. Trek movies had their villian of the week, but TNG was basically a day at the UN, without the corruption. Kinda hard to market that. I know some 18-19 year olds who still chase each other around with their light sabers. Probably not unlike we did when we were kids, except with toy six shooters or ray guns. The market is there, it just needs to be reached. As long as the franchise remains true to itself, I really don’t care of the stars of the next TV show were singers as kids.
I think a Trek show for kids would need to have a budget like Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, and stories that were simple, perhaps with moral lessons that were clearly spelled out; perhaps with a starship crew that was populated with teens, older than the demographic it is aimed for, but not adult. When I say you’d have to scale it down, that’s the sort of thing I mean.
But if you look at Batman, you can buy Batman Legos. I’m not aware of any Star Trek Legos. If they were ever made, they were also probably not popular. If Star Trek were cool to kids I think you would see those Legos. I looked on eBay before writing this, and I found someone selling CUSTOM Star Trek character Legos. Whaaa? Yeah. That’s something Lego would be doing if it made money sense to make them. Instead it looks like somebody is custom manufacturing them. No doubt for ADULTS!!!!
There are also plenty of Batman cartoons, and that campy show from the 60′s.
And yet despite all that, you also have Christopher Nolan’s very serious ADULT endeavors with the franchise.
Star Trek really doesn’t have to be exclusively one or the other, just like Batman doesn’t.
531. N – February 7, 2012:
“…the general audience is fickle, if you target the general audience of today will you still be able to hold the interest of the general audience of tomorrow?”
Exactly. When has a general audience kept anything alive and thriving through decades? When has general appeal expanded anything beyond a first run or a third sequel? Maybe someone can come up with a few good examples, but then compare those to the longevity and incarnations of Trek.
One might argue Star Wars is kept alive by the masses; but I think it’s the sci-fy fan that has staying power–and the audacity to lay some level of claim on a franchise:).
Also, you have to remember that Star Wars WAS envisioned by George Lucas as a children’s story. He wanted to make the sort of serial adventure story he remembered listening to on the radio as a boy.
537: “Exactly. When has a general audience kept anything alive and thriving through decades?”
But where else are you going to get new fans from? You can’t clone them on a Paramount sound stage. And fans don’t come out the womb ready made, either. So you have to appeal to general audiences to make new fans.
@537 Good point about the first run thing, so many series’ ratings plummet after the first season.
Warehouse 13 seems to be the beacon of hope for sci-fi television nowdays.
535
Phil:
You make a good point about the PD and the Federation. TOS never sent Kirk & friends back to Earth until TMP. I think keeping the Federation at arm’s length (a bunch of bureaucrats) with no more of the “United Earth/UFP” schlock that made series seem anachronistic once it became ‘important’ in TNG would allow the series to flow better, especially for younger people. It was the 1960s ideal translated poorly for audiences in the late 1980s and 1990s. In the end, who cares if the Federation is united or not? Just don’t even go there, and tell a good space yarn with good characters and meaningful stories, with references to the UFP for the purists.
Huh, Fuller and Singer, and if set in the same nu-verse trek, you could see the Abrams crew get producer credits.
From Bryan Fuller, Bryan Singer, and JJ Abrams, all listed as executive producers, that is a slug line of producer credits that would be hard for a network to pass up.
How old was Chekov in Trek 2009? 17. Which made Starfleet Academy his high school. I’m guessing he was not the only 17 year old, or 13 year old when he started. Just for giggles, if the Federation were sending out ships on extended missions, a majority of the crew would be very young. They are healthier, and expendable. A ship full of late teens, early 20′s is very possible. Most of the younger officers would be late 20′s, early thirties.
539. dmduncan – February 7, 2012
” But where else are you going to get new fans from? You can’t clone them on a Paramount sound stage. And fans don’t come out the womb ready made, either. So you have to appeal to general audiences to make new fans.”
I think sci-fi fans are largely ‘hardwired’… We’re all born with certain propensities. Some will be engineers if given the opportunity/exposure, but they’ll never be writers–no matter what–and vice versa. The masses will never be sci-fi fans. You might draw them in with a movie like Trek 2009, but the masses won’t clamor for a sequel; only those with an affinity for SF will and only if you appeal sufficiently to them–get ‘em hooked and they’ll never let go; and they’ll pay to see the prequel and the sequel so many times you can count each fan as a four-pack and then some. Will it be enough? Depends on how much ‘has’ to be made, how often to make it ‘worthwhile’–which is why there’s a limited supply of good sci-fi.
I wonder how many Scifi fans their are now as compared to when TOS debuted?
@543. Respectfully I dissagre, Chekov in ST2009 was more like Dougie Houser MD, he was stated to be a “wiz kid” or prodigy. Starfleet Academy is the equivalent of a University not a High School, Chekov having graduated at 17 means that he probably graduated High School at 13, and then entered the Academy. I am sure if you were to ask Mr. Orci you would get a similar answer.
Keachick – I think Star Trek can be dark and gritty and show an optimistic light. I don’t think they can try to recreate the tone of the past series’ because it will look too derivative. I think they have to come out swinging with something really different, yet still Star Trek.
That’s just how I feel. Not saying your view isn’t valid. As I’ve said previously, I will support any attempt to bring Trek back to TV in any form or tone, and will judge it only after I’ve seen it.
@544. Arthur C. Clarke was both a highly successful Sci-Fi writer and the person who figured out the “geosynchronous orbit” that our communications satellites use (look it up). In fact many of the very best Sci-Fi writers were also scientists, engineers, and so on, heck Robert Heinlein was an Olympic Gold Medal Fencer, a member of the US Navy, the inventor of the water bed, as well as the originator of the concept “Waldo” for remotely controlled robotic manipulating arms, as well as about 60 other concepts and inventions (seriously go check me on it). So I have to disagree that an engineer would not be a writer “no matter what”. Not trying to start an argument, just can’t agree on that point, still I do think some people have a natural affinity for Sci-Fi (myself for instance).
Star Trek needs a rest. I say, after Abrahms has his films, give the franchise a break for ten or fifteen years. No movies, no TV shows. It needs a breather.
549. kitamurafan – I can’t agree with you. I might be dead in ten or fifteen years. I want some Trek sooner than that.
#549 – Good point, what if Paramount told CBS all they want to do is a reboot movie trilogy after that they will put Trek to rest again for long time?
I assumed Alternate Chekov was just a first year cadet that had been shoe-horned onto the Enterprise with all the others. They were all cadets apart from Pike and Spock.
@522. You could be right on that, I may have been interpreting the scene wrong, but Chekov was referred to as an Ensign (IIRC) while Uhura was still called a Cadet (again IIRC), and it is this I was basing my earlier statement on.
I’m fairly (I could be wrong) sure that Uhura was called Lieutenant at least once, at the end Chekov is wearing the same red cadet uniform the others were, as opposed to the black one the officers wore.
549:
kitamurafan:
These days, massive franchises wink out after six episodes.
Star Trek is more of an institution. I want more, like ‘Shilliam Watner’ said, before I get too old or die.
I am also sick of JJ Abrams’s approach to Star Trek: Delays BOTH times, and no info for fans as he goes into production. Bryan Singer, for whatever it’s worth, did video diaries of the ‘Superman Returns’ production, which were a great insight into the craft, and into what was also a secretive production.
JJ gives us -shite- a nice round goose-egg. Combined with his delays, it goes to show that STAR TREK needs a George Lucas; someone who can run it without being busy with ‘Alcatraz’ mysteries and Spielberg tributes.
Thank goodness his finished product makes the grade, and then some.
JJ Abrams is not a bad director, style wise, though his little signature things he shoves into all his stuff are boring, imo.
What Trek needs is decent writers, they did an okay job with XI but looking at the rest of their work, makes me a little paranoid about the future of the franchise.
Singer can come up with great stories and Bryan Fuller has writing credits on some amazing episodes, including Relativity coincidently. I’d say they have the potential to keep Trek going and please the fans. It may not be too much of a long shot to think they might hire Moore and Coto to write a couple of episodes.
Whatever happened to that other series that someone was apparently planning, by the way? Y’know the one definitely set in the Prime Universe.
@ 548. Azrael – February 7, 2012:
Aha! Azrael, by “Some” I meant “Some”; as in ‘Some will be engineers…, but will never be writers…’ I did not mean to suggest absolutes like ‘All’ or ‘None” (it’d be absurd to say that no one can be both engineer and writer). On re-reading my post, however, I see how the meaning could be misconstrued (you weren’t just looking for an argument, were you?;). Let it be known that English is justifiably classified as one of the world’s most difficult languages.
How can anyone not admit a jonas brothers themed trek is not an inspired idea? Maybe we can also do the live action star wars show with the cast from Glee… that would be cool as well.
Star Trek: The Musical!
@ 557. Nah, not trying to argue (didn’t I say that?), and I can see what you mean given your clarification. No offense intended NCM,
@ 558
Can we please not re-start the Jonas argument?
This discussion has lot all relevancy. I move on to other things. See you later.
555.
“Thank goodness his finished product makes the grade, and then some.”
Exactly.
I loved those Ble Tights Adventure network diaries at the time — and then I saw the film. They’d shown the best parts of the thing. And, they were basically just DVD “look at what a great job we did” extras released beforehand. But they really shed light on the fact that the film was pretty much all hype and (mediocre) art direction without any substance…
They went to great lengths to get the elevator doors and the cornfields right but they got the story wrong.
Plus, Singer doesn’t really know what to do with women in his movies.
I much prefer the Abrams approach. Focus on making a decent movie. Save the marketing for later.
And, come on. Superman was delayed forever.
Why do fans deserve or need shot-by-shot updates and spoilers? I just don’t get why that’s such a big complaint — the guy doesn’t personally owe us anything, other than what any filmmaker, arguably, owes everybody — a good movie. We’ll pay to see the darned movie like everyone else.
That drove me nuts last time — all this griping on here about them keeping it a surprise. “How dare they not tell me what’s going to happen!” What’s the point of Christmas morning if you’ve been watching them design, manufacture and wrap the darned present (and reading endless commentaries on the process) for the 12 months before? If it’s good, it’ll be good — no advanced hype will change that either way.
Now, some clever teasers and a great poster – well, Trek ’09 had both.
560. Azrael – February 7, 2012
@ 557. Nah, not trying to argue (didn’t I say that?), and I can see what you mean given your clarification. No offense intended NCM,
Yes, you did say that. I guess even my emoticon failed to convey that I was making light… Not offended at all.
We need something new to talk about. Hope to find you all (or most of you:) on an exciting new thread, soon.
562:
The “Superman Returns” airplane scene in IMAX 3D was quite mind-bending. Even in 2D, it’s the only scene worth watching from the film as a sort of quick pick-me-up.
As for ‘Star Trek,’ a photo, at least, would be nice. A poster, even. ‘The Hobbit’ has taken the video diary thing up a few notches to discuss the new technologies, etc. But we all know how that film ends because the book came out 75 years ago.
Thinking about it, I’m amazed that when a director/producer with the name recognitation or clout comes along and goes public that they are thinking/working on a treatment for Trek, these guys usually find universal scorn on these pages. Okay, if Speilburg and Singer suck, who would you like?
AJ – Just imagine if that was a real reboot with Superman making his debut with that airplane rescue scene? How would that baseball fans really react to seeing a flying Alien for the first time?
@565. Coto. Ron Moore. Maybe even JMS.
566:
Craiger: The scene was fine as is, in the context of paying tribute to Richard Donner’s interpretation of Superman (“Statistically speaking…” etc.) and his meeting Lois again. Taking it as a continuation of I & II, I accept that Christopher Reeve’s brilliant performances there were rich enough, and the 2 films well made enough, to convey the ‘wow, a flying alien’ thing.
My major complaint was the comic use of Lex Luthor, again, played once again by a brilliant actor, and his obsession with real estate, etc. They should have amped the kid up some more, or just quashed the Lois-has-a-family-with-Cyclops storyline altogether.
Bryan Singer had a decent “X-Men” film, and he IS a fan of Star Trek. I think these two should go for it.
As for Superman, Zack Snyder ain’t exactly on a hot streak right now (except for that animated thing about owls that my kids LOVED), so we must wait and see.
Also, Singer brought some more real lore into the ‘Superman’ film: Proper heat vision, and using the energy of the yellow sun to recharge. No throwing out plasticky red squares, freezing breath, or anti-gravity rays coming out of the fingers. Though I may need a fact check. Harry Ballz is a bigger Supes-head than I am.
I think, as OCD Trekkers, we would all appreciate that level of attention to detail.
@565 THANK YOU! it’s like, these are the guys with industry clout and know how to produce films and tv that grab huge audiences and are fun to watch.
I have my issues with Singer’s Superman film and its problems were really clear but hands down, his X2 is the best of the entire X-Men franchise & he’s made other good films outside of that. I didnt like the premise that he had for a Trek tv show but I think he has the ability to tell stories on a weekly basis that speak to people and have a message without beating you over the head with it (which is what television Trek should do).
At the end of the day, I just hope that they can steer clear of the prime universe unless they were to use it as a mirror universe which would be freaking awesome. Other than that, I just dont see the point to revisit that in a brand new television show and no it’s not because I dont like the prime universe or anything like that. It’s just because at this point and time, we’ve started on a different path so why not stay on that path and create new stories. Television writers have shown time and time again that they cant produce anything seemingly fresh in the prime universe without hardcore Trekkies and casual viewers alike saying ‘hey, I’ve seen that before on TNG or TOS!’ And on top of that, there was something a little frustrating about watching Nemesis and there being a blatant Wrath of Khan story from start to finish. You cant blame that on a JJ type director because while Baird was directing and he didnt know a thing about Star Trek, he wasnt the guy who came up with the story -a big time Trek fan wrote it and veteran Trek actors and producers didnt raise the red flag until post promotion for the film. So what is the future of Trek going to be? Taking steps backwards or hopefully moving forward and trying something fresh and far reaching while still staying under the tent of Star Trek?
565. Phil – February 8, 2012
Thinking about it, I’m amazed that when a director/producer with the name recognitation or clout comes along and goes public that they are thinking/working on a treatment for Trek, these guys usually find universal scorn on these pages. Okay, if Speilburg and Singer suck, who would you like?
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In my case (the only case I can truly speak for), it isn’t the person at all. I like Bryan Singer. I liked Valkyrie, X Men, and Superman Returns. I think he’s a talented director.
But I DON’T like his idea for Star Trek.
I think Star Trek really needs a different type of show. If it’s too far removed from what the title Star Trek implies, then it doesn’t make sense to call it Star Trek except to relate to the Star Trek universe. But I’m actually ready for a show where “Star Trek” reads in a smaller font under the main title.
I do have an idea for something different, so I’m not just groping in the fog for I don’t know what.
@569. The Freeze Breath power has been a staple of Superman for a long time, granted they discarded it after the Crisis on Infinite Earths, but they brought it back in the last few years (at least before the “new 52″ which I havent read so I don’t know on that one) so it wouldn’t be out of place IMO. As for the TK used in Superman IV (IIRC) to repair the Great Wall, I have no idea where that came from. Ditto for the cellophane S shield used in Superman II.
572:
Thanks, Azrael. I always thought it was supposed to be more of a force-breath, like Zod and Friends use in “Hooston,” Idaho to “blow them a kiss.”
@573. That’s just straight Super-breath in that scene, which Superman has as well, they are basically different applications of the same ability AFAICT. Oh and your welcome.
Happy birthday John Williams. The great composer is 80 today.
AJ, I still don’t see how Superman Returns takes place between Superman I and II because Kate Bosworth looks much younger than Margot Kidder.
Also Metropolis looks like modern day New York instead of 80′s New York.
Craiger, Returns is supposed to take place after Superman II (according to Singer) and he discarded III and IV in terms of his continuity.
Sorry I meant II and III. However Lois still looks way younger and modern day NY in Superman Returns than in Superman II.
@579 Carry an immortal’s child for 9 months, and maybe it’s very rejuvenating??
569. AJ “Harry Ballz is a bigger Supes-head than I am”
Yes, well…{cough}…..thanks, AJ! Everything you rattle off is correct. None of that crap ever showed up in the comics, which is a good thing since Supes already had enough powers as it was……SHEESH!
576:
Craiger:
Most would see Superman Returns occurring after Superman IV, Quest for Peace. I see ‘Returns’ as a tribute to Dick Donner’s films (I & IISE), and I discard Supermans III & IV as kind of poop.
582. AJ “kind of poop”
“Hey, watch it, fella! I got a picture of my mom in my wallet!”
http://justjared.buzznet.com/photo-gallery/2626618/tom-hardy-chris-pine-war-premiere-10/
Who does this person remind you of? (Just posted to JustJared 40 minutes ago).
AP – since Bob Orci and co won’t post the latest pictures of the cast/characters from the Star Trek set, I have to find my own latest pictures to post here of one of the actors.
569. Isn’t the heat vision/yellow sun etc. all just part of Superman and is known by the general public — I mean, unless you start making new shit up, randomly (the telekinesis, the finger rays, the plastic expanding S, the super-brick-laying-magic power of S4), well, it’s hard to get the basics wrong…
I don’t care whem they set it (though I’d love to see the 60s era Trek return – there’s just something about all those cool retro designs), but can we please return Star Trek to it’s sci-fi roots, with plenty of social commentary. Leave the action and ‘sexed up’ Trek to the movies…
#586 – Action and ‘sexed up’ is what the general audience wants, with a good story second. They wouldn’t care about the 60′s retro look.
Any new series would have be done in a style like the latest action and superhero movies.
I agree in concept with user Rebecca’s ideas as to future Trek casting, but also agree with those that disagree with her. Mixed feelings on the Jonas Brothers/Demi Lovato casting in future Trek have inspired another idea: Cast from that basic demographic, if not those specific people. To the detractors of this idea…to oppose Disney/Nickelodeon celebs as potential Trek actors/actresses does the same thing po culture does to us Trek fans: overly generalize and stereotype an entire group based on a flawed perception, which goes against Gene Roddenberry’s basic tenet behind Trek: that all people could find common ground and work together for a better future.
Making a better future Trek no longer lies in the familiar; we as viewers need to practice what we preach. To make a better future for Trek, we need to embrace new ideas and new directions…and be open minded to all potential sources of casting.
Also: to those against Jonas Brothers/Demi in theory being casted in future Trek, JJ and crew already dipped into the Disney till; the 2009 Trek film had David Henrie from Wizards of Waverly Place as one of the Vulcan students who bullied child Spock. The precedent has been set. Jonas Brothers? Idk. Demi? Possibly. Based on career paths/directions though it’d be more likely to see Vanessa Hudgens or someone along those lines. I could see Hudgens playing a young Ilia maybe.
Also: Hollywood is more interconnected than people think it is nowadays. For instance Chris Pine starred with former Disney star Lindsay Lohan in a movie called Just My Luck, after which Pine’s career soared and Lohan’s tanked. Lohan reportedly got attacked in a bar by someone named Jasmine Waltz, who reportedly at one point dated Chris Pine. Pine is also, from what I’ve heard, friends with former Disney star Hilary Duff, who is friends with Demi (who also is friends with Hudgens) who former reality star Kristin Cavallari (also friends with Waltz) is also friends with. The list goes on from there…suffice it to say Hollywood is very much interconnected and anything is possible. Disney/Nickelodeon ‘pop culture’ actors in Star Trek? It could happen. Eventually it will happen. Numerous Trek actors have been in Disney/Nick shows and shows with Disney/Nick actors/family of Disney/Nick actors as well. George Takei is in the Nick show Supah Ninjas. Hailie Todd (who played Data’s daughter Lal in TNG’s ‘The Offspring’) played the mom in the Disney show that propelled Hilary Duff to fame, ‘Lizzie McGuire’…years later Brent Spiner was in Hilary’s non-Disney film with her sister Haylie called Material Girls. Stephen Collins & Catherine Hicks (Decker from TMP & Gillian Taylor from The Voyage Home) starred in 7th Heaven, which Haylie Duff also was in for a time. As I recall Tim Russ was also in a Disney show or two in his time. Biggest Trek/Disney crossover: JJ Abrams himself when he collaborated with Doctor Who runner Steven Moffat on Tintin for Disney. From this we got Benedict Cumberbatch in the next Trek film and through Moffats connections to Russell T. Davies, a reference to get Noel Clarke, Mickey Smith from Davies’ era as Doctor Who runner, in the next film too. Davies also ran Torchwood Miracle Day, which had John de Lancie (Q) & Nana Visitor (Kira Nerys) in it.
Sure this seems like a rant, but it’s meant to show that we as Trek fans need to be completely open to ALL sources of potential Trek casting, so long as the potential cast members in question actually have talent.
Oh and lest we not forget that Simon Pegg had a role in Davies Era Doctor Who and likely referred Moffat to work with JJ on Tintin.
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I don’t think ‘rebecca’ was a real poster. Suggesting that the Jonas Brothers star in ‘Star Trek’ is akin to suggesting the Scooby Gang guest star. It was a joke, and not a very good one. The debate is moot.
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Jack: Who knows? I think back in 1938, Superman could jump to great heights and lengths, and the flying came later. I think it depends in what era you grew up. I take the heat vision/yellow sun/force-breath stuff for granted as well.
I also take the Marlon Brando origin story as my canon, regardless of how silly it is: An advanced long space-worthy humanoid race in complete denial that their sun is going to explode within days? In essence, it was a brutal dictatorship.
As someone wrote earlier, DC re-invents its stable of heroes every once-in-a-while, so who knows what today’s readers take as given? Haven’t read Superman since he battled Spiderman.
AJ – What about Lois looking younger post Superman IV in Superman Returns?
@591. Well, that’s just dismissive now…..
77: A “Star Trek” anthology TV series. Not bad, eh?
589 “JJ and crew already dipped into the Disney till; the 2009 Trek film had David Henrie from Wizards of Waverly Place as one of the Vulcan students who bullied child Spock” well, that’s another explanation why that’s the worst scene in the film. On top of horrific dialogue.
Any scenes with Clarke in them will be the worst in XII, that much is obvious.
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The scenes of young Spock on Vulcan are almost directly inspired by the one ep from TAS, “Yesteryear,” written by DC Fontana as a wonderful clarification of Amanda’s reflections of Spock’s youth in ‘Journey to Babel.’ which she also wrote. It’s one of those sacred sparkly canon cows.
While the dialogue may have sounded somewhat choppy, I agree (it’s a bunch of kids after all), I thought it worked.
Well yeah, children and acting do not go well together but for me, what they say is just as bad as how they’re saying it. I always skip that scene.
The scene with young Kirk has problems too, it feels out of place, but in saying that Trek hasn’t really explored Earth other than Starfleet HQ. I think the only time a 24th century vehicle was ever shown was that hover limo in All Good Things.
I loved Superman returns, I cried in the opening credits, I felt like it was 1978
The Jonas Brothers in command of a starship? Why stop there? Why not have that other boy band the Hanson Brothers as Klingons? Instead of fighting hand to hand, they could out sing each other to death.
Or better yet, have those other Hanson Brothers (the ones from “Slap Shot”) as Klingons! Not only do they bring their own weapons, they already look like Klingons.
Gold.
“sing each other to death” if they sung, the only casualty would be us. No living thing should ever go through that level of torture.
599. Exactly, the credits and the theme song were the best parts of the movie.
I agree that Star Trek is best on TV when it can tell intelligent stories and explore morality in a way that does not translate to movies. Also, Enterprise failed in part because of the lack of deep characters coming together in an ensemble cast but more importantly because it did not move forward in time. Star Trek must move forward. I think a new Star Trek show would be a huge popular and financial success and even more so if young actors are allowed to explore the kinds of issues that Roddenberry did.
they should make the new Star Trek series be about young kirk and his crew. and they should call it Star Trek: A New Generation.
A series around the Terran Empire, the Terran Rebellion, the Alliance, and the Terran Federation would be an awsome idea. It will bring a new, yet familiar aspect to the franchise. It would be able to expand on the Mirror Universe story arcs already used in TOS and DS9 and help forge that universe into what we can only read about in non-cannon novels.
As far as a struggling Federation some 600 years in the future, that has already been done in Gene Roddenberry’s Andromeda. Great show, but has been done.