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2nd Trailer For Prometheus – written by Star Trek’s Damon Lindelof March 19, 2012

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Celebrity,Lindelof,Prometheus , trackback

The annual Wondercon was held over the weekend and one of the big events was the reveal of the second trailer for Prometheus, the sort-of Alien prequel written by Star Trek sequel writer/producer Damon Lindelof. Check it out below along with a cool viral video for the film.


Prometheus Trailer – remind anyone else of "The Chase"?

Here is the Prometheus trailer that was shown during Wondercon (plus the international version).

Prometheus director Ridley Scott has noted that theme of clues hidden in ancient civilizations about the origin of man was inspired by Erich von Daniken's 1968 book "Chariots of the Gods." However, I am also getting a bit of a vibe from  Star Trek: The Next Generation's "The Chase" (which was inspired by Carl Sagan's "Contact").  Let's not forget that Lindelof is a big fan of TNG and he is not above borrowing from he show. Four years ago he talked to TrekMovie about how the pivotal Lost episode "The Constant" was an homage to TNG's "All Good Things."

Trailer for TNG's "The Chase"


Cool viral video for Prometheus – should be model for Trek sequel

Also of note, a couple of weeks ago Fox released a very cool viral video to promote Prometheus. The video conjectures a future TED conference talk with Guy Pearce as Peter Wayland talking about where his company is headed and the future of robotics.  

Damon Lindelof confirmed that this scene actually isn't in the film, so it is just an in-universe bit of viral video promotion. Hopefully as a producer on the new Star Trek film, Lindelof can make these kinds of things happen for the sequel. As director JJ Abrams is famously concerned about secrecy, these kind of viral promotions could be something that can be down, while not actually showing parts of his super-secret movie.

Prometheus comes out June 8, 2012.



1. Harry Ballz - March 19, 2012

This movie looks friggin’ epic!!

2. LongIslandTrekster - March 19, 2012

So much secrecy so much time to pknder what this movie will be like! I am #1 FOR A CHANGE!

3. NCC-73515 - March 19, 2012

another trailer:

4. CAPT KRUNCH - March 19, 2012

It looks awesome, but I thought AVP 1 looked good the first time I saw the trailer….through in the ALIEN scream sound effects and it’s all good.
Just have to wait and see…

5. Vultan - March 19, 2012

Hard to believe this is only Ridley Scott’s third science fiction movie, the last being Blade Runner back in the early ’80s.

Welcome back, Mr. Scott!

6. Basement Blogger - March 19, 2012

I loved TNG’s “The Chase.” Probably the most Roddenberryesque of all TNG episodes. That show had a great ending with Picard and the Romulan commander’s last words.

Prometheus looks similar but it obviously has a darker vibe. Where Naomi Rapace says “We were wrong” indicates that it wasn’t a signal to find us but perhaps something darker. And there is some Alien DNA in the trailer. Looks like a face hugger in he scene.

Still looks awesome. And Ridley Scott filmed in 3D. With his visual style, one wonders if this will surpass Scorsese’s “Hugo” or Wim Wender’s “Pina” for 3D effects.

7. jon1701 - March 19, 2012

Looks great.

Worried that the trailer(s) are giving away the farm a bit though…

8. USSEXETER - March 19, 2012

It’s been done……….Alien anyone?

9. Blake Powers - March 19, 2012

#1 agreed… EPIC!!!

10. Vultan - March 19, 2012


Ridley Scott anyone?

11. USSEXETER - March 19, 2012


12. Basement Blogger - March 19, 2012

Hey TED actually exists. Stands for Technology, Entertainment and Design, Their slogan is “Ideas worth spreading” You learn something new everyday.

As Anthony pointed out, they hosts conferences; it looks like a virtual think tank.


13. Michael Hall - March 19, 2012

Frankly, I’m looking forward to this way more than I am to the Trek sequel.

14. njdss4 - March 19, 2012

I hope the trailer didn’t give away the whole movie. If it ends with “and then they stopped the aliens from getting to Earth”, the trailer just ruined a good chunk of the movie.

15. Drew - March 19, 2012

The Lost episode is called “The Constant”, not The Contestant

16. Khan 2.0 - March 19, 2012

theres also a heavey Alien v Predator vibe to those trailers…

17. Khan 2.0 - March 19, 2012

theres also a heavey Alien v Predator vibe to those trailers…

AvP done Prometheus style:

18. Basement Blogger - March 19, 2012

@ 8, 10, 11

You did see the egg cases on the floor in the chamber. There was also a scene of he dead alien’s gun like device from the 1979 movie; the one where Dallas goes up to and says it looks like something burst out of his chest.

So let’s speculate here. It’s got Alien DNA storylines. Yeah, the trailer gives a lot away. Scientists think it’s an invitiation but it’s not. With that big human face, is this a Twilight Zone moment? You know, “How to serve man?” It’s a cookbook. Maybe men were to be the seeds for the Aliens? Still looking forward to this film even if we can guess what’s it’s about.

19. Chris H - March 19, 2012

TED is a wonderful real-life source of wonder.

In the meantime, the International trailer is so much better than the US one.

20. Jack - March 19, 2012

TED’s been criticized for being way too corporate, so it’s a telling choice.

Saw the trailer this weekend and it, well, apart from some neat CGI, it looks like every “it’s a trap!”/he’s killing us off one by one/we thought it was awesome but it’s gonna kill everybody on Earth” SF movie ever. That said, mosttrailers usually look like they’re from movies we’ve already seen because all we see in them are the explosions, chases, and lines like “we were wrong!” and “Oh my God!”

Of course, I’ll be going to see it.

21. crazydaystrom - March 19, 2012

I believe this film will cause many of us Trek fans to look at Trek films differently. There’s a grand and epic feel to the trailer that I’ve always wished for Star Trek. They came close with ST’09 but not quite.

Still, very much looking forward to ST:What’s It Called?. But right now it’s ALL Prometheus for me!

22. mojomonkey - March 19, 2012

Looks great but I doubt it will perform very well.

23. Mark Lynch - March 19, 2012

If you don’t think this film will make mega bucks, then I don’t know what to say to you. This is Ridley Scott, one of the best directors of all time. You know, Alien, Blade Runner, Kingdom of Heaven. To name just three. This film will be one of the best films of the year, if not the best. Word of mouth will spread this film like wildfire.

If you want to see as epic a Star Trek as can be then just watch ST TMP TDE

Prometheus is going to set the bar very, very high. I hope Star Trek is up to the challenge…

24. PEB - March 19, 2012

Just my oppinion but TMP was not epic. It was made to feel grand but it ultimately was a little flat. Scott seems to know how to mix the cerebral with the intense action and keep the epic level at an ultimate high. It’s something Trek just has not done as of yet.
And I’m an uber Trek fan, not a troll.

25. crazydaystrom - March 19, 2012


I have, several times. I own it and I love it, more than most Trek fans, I believe.

And I’ve always preferred the TMP uniforms to the WOK-TUC style.

Just sayin. :-)

26. Jeff O'Connor - March 19, 2012

Looks damned good.

27. NCC-73515 - March 19, 2012

oh and the first minutes of iron sky were officially released: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX2cS8wvQHI

28. Khan 2.0 - March 19, 2012


maybe Trek 2 will be a little influenced by PROM – as often happens with certain SF movies being heavily influenced by ones which being made just before or around the same time.

especially with sharing one of the writers

hopefully Trek 2 will be steeped in horror and eeriness (like alot of the early TOS eps)

29. Khan 2.0 - March 19, 2012

Star Trek FC trailer Prometheus style

30. Battle-scarred Sciatica - March 19, 2012

Old news.

Must try harder.

Prometheus does look awesome…unlike the second-hand sci-fi news generated here….

31. Red Dead Ryan - March 19, 2012

“Prometheus” looks soooooo promising! Can’t wait to see it! However, if it sucks, these trailers will go down as some of the biggest “teasers” of all time. And while Damon Lindeloff may be a fan of TNG, I really doubt that he was borrowing from “The Chase”. Ridley Scott wouldn’t stand for that.
Scientology more likely.

Anyway, I thought that Guy Pearce was doing a dead-on imitation (though obviously unintentional) of Hugo Weaving in the TED video! His vocal inflections and facial mannerisms were eerily similar to Weaving!

32. Red Dead Ryan - March 19, 2012

Oh, and Guy Pearce does look a lot like a slightly younger version of Hugo Weaving in the TED video.

33. crazydaystrom - March 19, 2012

#28 Khan 2.0-

Maybe. ‘A little influenced by’ would be fine. ‘Derivative of’ would not.

34. Keachick - rose pinenut (F) - March 19, 2012

Why is everything so dark in these trailers? Is this how the whole movie is going to be – with me struggling to see who and what the hell was going on for a large part of the time, if I could be bothered. What – there is no power, no lighting on the ships, no natural light etc? The dark lighting has put me right off.

35. Red Dead Ryan - March 19, 2012


Have you even bothered to watch the first two “Alien” movies? They were quite dark. Because the idea was to depict horror, suspense, and claustrophobia. The darkness allowed the xenomorphs to stalk the crew members in the dark, while not spoiling their appearance for the audience.

“Prometheus” is continuing with the dark, eerie, claustrophobic feel of the original movies. That is what it’s meant of convey.

You know, for someone who complains about the bitching on this site, you sure do a lot of it yourself.

36. Vultan - March 19, 2012


It’s a horror movie. They tend to be dark.
See: “Alien.”

37. Jay - March 19, 2012

I’m confused why people say that it looks like Alien. It is Alien. It’s kind of a prequel to Alien just like Trek 2009 was a prequel to Star Trek in a way.

It doesn’t lead directly into the original Alien movie, but it is set in the same universe before the events of that movie.

38. Jay - March 19, 2012

By the way, it looks amazing.

39. RetroWarbird - March 19, 2012

I honestly got more of a Galactica reboot-vibe. Not that synthoids are unique to humanoid Cylons or anything, it’s just more recent in my mind thanks to NetFlix. Blade Runner … Alien … all kinds of Anime. Comics. It’s not a new concept to sci-fi, or real-life at this point.

But Wayland’s got some obvious parallels to Graystone.

40. Dee - lvs moon' surface - March 19, 2012

I have followed everything about “Prometheus” … I have high expectations with the film … so my fingers are crossed … I do not expect disappointment… ;-) :-)

41. Mel - March 19, 2012

Why do the people assume, that the star map is an invitation? I hope someone in the movie considers at least, that it could be a warning. ;-)

42. Goosenecked Fan - March 19, 2012

Bite your tongue!! This movie is going to own The Chase!! It’s Ridley Scott!! THA MAN!!! No one directs science fiction like Ridley…except maybe James Cameron. But I was not impressed with Avatar.

Prometheus is the most awaited film of the year for me.

It’s going to rock and it comes on me birthday! What a birthday present, huh? :-) Oh, yeah! I’ll be there…3D, Imax, the whole enchilada baby, yeah!!!!

43. Hermioni - March 19, 2012

Contemplating both, the trailer(s), as well as the very interesting and rather unambiguous Peter Wayland TED-piece, I do wonder about the filmmakers´ possible intention to guide the audience towards an understanding of the film as a tale of the literal and/or metaphorical consequences of hubris…

44. Red Dead Ryan - March 19, 2012

“Prometheus”, “The Dark Knight Rises”, “The Avengers”, “The Hobbit”. 2012 could go down as one of the best years for sci-fi/fantasy ever.

45. Jack - March 19, 2012

37. Hey, I hadn’t realized it ws set in teh same universe — I mean, I know it had started out with the intentions to be a prequel to Alien, but I thought someone, Scott presumably, decided to axe that. I hadn’t realized it was still set in that universe.

46. Cervantes - March 19, 2012

Awesome marketing on this so far.

Looks like this involves a truly ‘cerebral’ and ‘exploratory’ vibe to it.

And all wrapped up in *properly*-filmed native-3D, rather than a second-class ‘conversion’ afterwards.

Now *this* is how it’s done. Movie of the year I predict, and well done Ridley!

47. Vultan - March 19, 2012


So, you’re saying—you don’t know, Jack?

Sorry. Couldn’t resist.

48. Jay - March 19, 2012

#45 I know there were conflicting things said. But I think Scott just doesn’t want it to be labeled. Just like Abrams kept saying that Trek 2009 wasn’t a prequel.

It obviously has to be in the same universe if it has the same Alien creatures and the same ship from the first Alien movie with the “space jockey” guy and everything.

It would be like having a movie with Starfleet and the Enterprise and say it wasn’t in the Star Trek universe.

49. NCM - March 19, 2012

I grew up watching horror flicks and was so “hardened” that Alien was the first movie that really scared me, after age 6. After Blair Witch Project, I swore off creepy films and never looked back; but now I’m looking forward–to Prometheus!

Yeah, the trailer does seem to give away too much, but the film looks promising.

Glad your back, Anthony.

50. Davexbit - March 19, 2012

Wow, that video clip of Guy Pierce; very impressive. It would be nice if Trek did a new series that would have this kind of “epicness” and “adultness” without losing the optimistic tone of what makes Trek…Trek. Not necessarily dark in tone but adult. The newer Battlestar Galactica had that, it got a bit dark and soap opera like at times but wow…damn good Sci-Fi. It would also be nice to feel the grandeur of the universe something the 09 Star Trek movie and a large budget did. Scale is so important when your selling a story in space.

51. Keachick - rose pinenut (F) - March 19, 2012

Geez, RDR, you’re at it again or at least, coming at me. I just want to be able to see more than I can see because the scenes seem so darkly lit.

Yes, I have seen some of the Alien movies, but I don’t remember them being a dark in lighting as the trailers depict Prometheus as being. That’s all. I don’t need it all to be lit up like some Christmas tree, just a little more light on the subject.

I hope the Star Trek won’t be darkly lit the way most of these other movies appear to be, nor do I want lens flares everywhere either.

Since you have accused me of bitching because I have expressed an opinion that is clearly not popular, I will also mention that I have never really liked Denise Crosby much, nor her Trek characters Tasha Yar or later Sela. She irritates the crap out of me. I don’t know why. She just does. She is probably a very nice lady, but there it is…

Happy that I have now given you more to bitch at me about, RDR!

52. mojomonkey - March 19, 2012

#23 Blade Runner & KOH were both huge flops. So was Robin Hood. And several other of his films.

Now, I LOVE Ridley Scott, he’s made some of my all time favorite films (which includes Blade Runner, KOH & Robin Hood).

But PROMETHEUS is making the same mistakes as John Carter (an excellent film that has suffered the same fate as Blade Runner in 1982)

1. Ads tell you nothing about characters.
2. Ads tell you nothing about story.
3. Ads throw images at you that are meaningless out of context.
4. Ads assume audience is familiar with an existing property. This is a fatal mistake. All young people I know (under 30) either haven’t seen “Alien” or think it is slow, boring, old fashioned and not at all scary. Middle aged SF fans don’t make movies into hits.
5. Assumes audiences know what “Prometheus” means and can equate it to a complex back-story that they don’t know anything about, thanks to the ad campaign. Sorry, SF fans and Alien buffs might be able to work that one out, but to the average movie goer its just a big word that’s hard to pronounce, attached to a poster with a big stone head.

Serious SF usually tanks at the B.O. After John Carter, I think audiences are going to be pretty wary about another strange looking SF epic. The closest we’ve come to a “hard” SF hit recently was “Avatar” and Cameron did everything but chew the audience’s food for them. Scott ain’t Cameron, he’s not gonna hold anyone’s hand and explain the movie to them. Heck, he won’t even let the posters or trailers explain anything! This was originally supposed to be a 2-part, 4 hour epic, which began at the dawn of time! Now reduce that to 2 hours. Audiences will be lost before the beginning credits fade out. And it’s up against The Dark Knight Rises, which will *own* the summer, and Avengers, plus other highly anticipated movies, amidst an ongoing economic depression. Long, dark, cerebral SF movie = disaster this summer.

I’m predicting (maybe) a $45 million opening weekend then a steep decline. Count in the predictably brutal reviews, as this is a “prequel” to a beloved movie that film buffs — i.e. critics — are protective of, and we have another casualty of the Summer of the Sci-Fi Flops, as I’m sure the media will be calling it in September.

53. Ivory - March 19, 2012

Looks amazing

54. Jack - March 19, 2012

52. The ‘tanking’ of John Carter was the story within hours, but it’s a big budget film released in March. I liked it, frankly — the movie. It was fun. I wonder if, yeah, had they really emphasized the characters and (absurdity of the) premise of the story in the marketing (it is over the top and silly, and old-fashioned and fun) and some of the goofiness, and, yeah, if they’d called it John Carter of Mars and hadn’t emphasized the Martian script in the posters etc. (which really had nothing to do with the movie — the mystery/hieroglyphics were a really minor part — well, then maybe more people would have seen it. It really isn’t serious SF at all (there’s a giant lizard/frog puppy, for Pete’s sake), but it was (at least in the early stuff) marketed that way. It’s almost family fare — well, for older kids and teens at least.

Roger Ebert gave it one of his reviews where the gripes have nothing to do with the actual movie.

The trailer for Prometheus makes it look really, well, like films we’ve seen (including Alien) — Scientist/hero showing power point presentation of mystery/ team assembled to explore mystery/ someone discovers mystery isn’t what it seems to be/ someone discovers mission and backers’ motivations ain’t what they seem to be/ crew gets pegged off one by one/ pretty girl remains…

So maybe they’ll turn it on its head. Or maybe it’s all in the details.

47. Exactly. :) And I usually don’t.

48. Cool. I honestly hadn’t been following Prometheus at all, other than seeing little blurbs in those “most anticipated movies of” lists. Same with Spider-Man and DKR. I’ll go see ’em all — but I don’t want spoilers (and am not as obsessive about ’em as I am about Trek). It makes sense that it’s set in the same universe.

55. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - March 20, 2012

I enjoy Alien and Aliens, but honestly Ridley Scott’s original “space miners” version of Alien hits all the right notes for me, and I do prefer it to James Cameron’s “Vietnam in space” vision for Aliens.

Prometheus promises to be truer to the original than any of the other entries in the series.

Don’t get me started on the ridiculous AVP movie(s) – I only suffered through the first one because the video game of AVP was awesome (much better than the crap they threw at the movie version).

56. Chris Pike - March 20, 2012

Yep Prometheus ticks all the boxes all right – also like the way the prod design is very close in feel to Alien but subtly updated, a goal missed unfortunately in Trek 09…and, best of all, Ridley Scott

57. Khan 2.0 - March 20, 2012


AvP wouldve been alot better and more respected if theyd just set it in space post Alien 3 or 4

The sea vessel they travel to Antarctica in could have been redressed to be a space ship and instead of the exterior sea ship FX breaking through ice it could’ve been traditional space ship FX in a starfield. They could have been space archaeologists on their way to an ice planet where signs of life had been found buried under the ice (so very much like Prometheus in that regard).

i bet it wouldve cost the same too

58. Robert H. - March 20, 2012

Hoping this will be the 3rd good Alien movie with Alien and Aliens being the first 2 good ones.

59. Cosmo Kid - March 20, 2012

#44 That would be amazing – Hats off to that. Although 1982 may have something to say about it!

60. mojomonkey - March 20, 2012

#54. Yeah, JC is fun and family friendly (and STILL playing folks, if you’re interested in a huge SF epic that’s actually good, go see it on the big screen, where you will be richly rewarded by its quality and attention to detail) but I still think it’s a serious SF film:

1. The overall tone is dramatic, not comic.
2. It follows the implications of its imagined cultures through, to the point of showing Tharks eliminating their weak offspring etc. a trademark of true SF.
3. The technology was clearly worked out in the smallest details and has an apparent mechanical logic that elevates it above the generic “jump in the spaceship and punch the completely impossible & unexplained light speed engines!” type of space movie.
4. Again, unlike generic space-set movies, JC portrays multiple layers of a consistent alien culture (Tharks) with customs, language, religion etc.
5. The film includes some really heady, cerebral content by way of the Therns, real Arthur C. Clarke stuff. A really commercial family film would have been content with showing them as generic “bad guys”, what’s in the film is actually quite complex and if you see the movie more than once, you can start to piece together a highly detailed interior logic to their actions.
6. Most importantly, JC leaves the audiences to work out most of its details, unlike a generic space movie where the audience has everything explained to them (usually with appalling Hollywood “science”) which makes for a more demanding viewing experience.

Compared to the usual raft of generic genre movies set in space, or alien invasion stories, John Carter is definitely more aligned with serious SF like 2001 : A Space Odyssey and Blade Runner, although it is also lots of fun and includes some fantasy elements (life in mars, swashbuckling adventure etc.) but so did Frank Herbert’s “Dune” :)

61. Pensive's Wetness - March 20, 2012

someone on Macross World speculated that Prom is more akin to a failed British TV show, that the Space Jockie created Man for farming with Xenomorphs, making an army if you will….

62. Vultan - March 20, 2012


You’re really placing John Carter in the league of 2001 and Blade Runner? O…kay…

63. Mark Lynch - March 20, 2012

Blade Runner was a flop? Okey Dokey…
Kingdom of Heaven (Directors cut) is a phenomenal film. Not totally historically accurate, but a great film nevertheless.

Alien was a defining movie of its time. That’s why people still talk about it today.

Ridley Scott is not perfect, but he’s damned good. What I would give to see him direct a Star Trek film.

64. Caesar - March 20, 2012

Nope. Don’t care about this at all. I’ll go see John Carter again.

65. Keachick - rose pinenut (F) - March 20, 2012

I go see what appeals at the time, if I have the money. I think I can be as good a *critic* as any of these so-called professionals and it’s my money I am spending, not theirs.

I suspect that I could have my son encouraging one or other of us to go see Prometheus with him when it comes here. He actually has more disposable income than we have, but…oh well – kids grow up way too fast so we should make the most of it.

66. MJ - March 20, 2012

@62. I’ve seen John Carter twices and will probably see it again. It’s a great movie! I don’t put it up there with Alien and Blade Runner, but it is certainly right up there with say a Tron: Evolution or a Harry Potter movie.

Kingdom of Heaven — the Directors cut — is one of my favorite movies of all time.

67. mojomonkey - March 20, 2012


Yeah I agree about KOH:DC, but it didn’t do very good upon release & got mixed/bad reviews.

Blade Runner was definitely considered a bomb when it came out. It cost about $30 million and it made about $30 million and received mostly bad reviews on top of being rejected by the SF community, which much preferred ST2 that summer. The stink around BR persisted until the first “director’s cut” was released on DVD and the book “Future Noir” was widely read. There was a long, slowly growing awareness of BR’s excellence & importance over something like 12 years. We BR fans were a lonely lot in the 1980’s and early 1990’s, it took a very long time for the film to be appreciated, even *after* it had been ripped off by every music video, tv commercial & album cover on earth. And he followed BR with “Legend” which was an even bigger flop. For a while, he was considered a one-hit wonder (Alien). Black Rain was profitable but Thelma & Louise in 1990 saved his directorial career.

Ridley has produced only a handful of “hits”. What makes him great is the quality of his best work.

I’m looking forward to Prometheus buuuuut: I’m disappointed that he’s getting into the sequels game. ST, love it tho I do, would be a waste of Scott’s talents. I’d father see him tackle a different PKD novel, or Harlan Ellison, Octavia butler, Robert Silverberg or Frank Herbert. Enough with the retreads already!

68. Vultan - March 20, 2012

Anyone seen Ridley Scott’s first film, “The Duellists”?

It’s a little rough around the edges in some places, but it’s amazing how Scott was already so adept with his craft, especially the cinematography and action sequences. And it’s even more amazing when you compare this film to “Alien” a few years later—truly worlds apart.

Anyway, if you haven’t seen “The Duellists,” I recommend you do. And I don’t mean just for the sake of being a Scott completist. It’s a good movie.

Hard to find on DVD, you can see (most of it) on youtube:



69. THX-1138 - March 20, 2012

I have read a (supposed) script draft for this and the trailer looks like it is in line with what I read. There is a pretty major plot point that isn’t exactly being hinted at that if true, will blow people’s minds a bit. I certainly hope what I read was accurate.

Totally looking forward to Prometheus.

70. With Fans Like These - March 20, 2012


Disney’s John Carter is “Actually good” and we will be “Richly rewarded”???


Thanks for entertaining me with your comment.

71. Battle-scarred Sciatica - March 20, 2012


…and now you must divulge….

72. mojomonkey - March 20, 2012

#60 Have you actually seen the film?

It is beautifully made, highly entertaining, and faithfully represents a classic of SF literature.

As for Disney’s pissing all over it – they wrote it off before it came out, the execs who greenlit it are all gone. Studio politics and egos got in the way of what might have been a huge hit for them.

Glad you got a laugh, tho, I’m sure I’ll be equally entertained by something you post in the near future.

73. MJ - March 20, 2012

@72. That is a great point! In the theater opening weekend that I saw the movie at, the audience clapped at the end. There are all of these people here and elsewhere that are “driking the Kool-Aid” that is a bomb based on the poor business the movie is doing.

See the fracking movie people — then comment on it!

74. Goosenecked Fan - March 20, 2012

#52 — The trailers for Prometheus are very similar to the trailers for ALIEN. Yes, they are cryptic trailers, but the point is to make folks curious enough about it to go see it.

75. mojomonkey - March 20, 2012

#74 I’m afraid that doesn’t really work anymore. We’ll see opening w/e, and best of luck to Prometheus if it’s really good, but that style of ad campaign is clearly not working at this time.

Read this (and be depressed)


I think they’re banking on things that aren’t viable in the present market, like curiosity and patience.

Remember, we’re all people interested in SF and science here. Most people just aren’t. They want to be entertained by escapist entertainment. And in the present social climate many only want to get behind sure winners, like race horse handicappers. Sad, but a reality at this time.

THX: If you post spoilers, please give fair warning, I don’t want to know *anything* before going in, beyond the trailers.

76. Jai - March 20, 2012

The viral campaigns for Prometheus are cleverly embedding various easter eggs for fans to try to crack, like this one from a few weeks ago: http://www.prometheusnews.net/movie/viral-mystery-1-solved/ . The level of detail hidden in plain sight is quite ingenious.

Apparently efforts are also underway to crack the password for the “locked” parts of the Weyland Industries website. I’ve just noticed the “timeline” section of the website is now available too, so somebody on Ridley Scott’s team is obviously enjoying themselves tinkering with it ;) The TED video with Guy Pearce is also a nice touch.

See, this is how you keep fans interested, whilst still not giving too much away about the storyline. Definitely a better approach than all the cloak & dagger games underway with ST12.

Maybe somebody on JJ’s team should consider setting up a fake Starfleet website, including videos (Bruce Greenwood being “interviewed” as Christopher Pike ?), information about the post-ST09 state of the Federation and major Starfleet missions, and “locked” sections about top-secret Starfleet campaigns which fans can either try to crack or that gradually become publicly visible as we get nearer to ST12’s release date and more information about the film’s storyline is released. That sort of fun stuff.

ST12’s PR team should consider re-thinking their strategy, because they’re really not making full use of current technology to entice the potential audience. Fine, they’re already publishing graphic novels, but that’s still a pretty niche market. And “leaking” photos which may-or-not-be-staged is a fairly basic approach when you consider the alternative digital marketing opportunities available in the age of social networking, Youtube viral videos, and the internet in general.

Well, at least Damon Lindelof can think it over, since he’s already familiar with all this via Prometheus.

77. Jai - March 20, 2012

^^Sorry folks, I guess that should obviously be “ST13″, not “ST12″.

78. Azrael - March 20, 2012

@60. I will never watch John Carter, there are 2 reasons for this.

1. John Carter is a Confederate soldier, remember that part of the trailer, and Confederates should never be the hero of any story.

2. The original John Carter novels contain such a pervasive mix of racism and slavery that the mediocre Sci-Fi hiding behind it can’t even be seen.

79. Goosenecked Fan - March 20, 2012

#75 — Well, if it’s a hit great — if not, I’m OK with that too. Blade Runner was NOT a “hit” when it came out either but it stands as one of the great, classic SF films. Hit or not, I’m sure Prometheus will be there — right alongside ALIEN and Blade Runner — as a landmark SF film.

I might add, I count Ridley’s film Legend as a great classic film too — albeit, as a fantasy film.

Box office means nothing to me, but I suspect this will be a huge hit. No reason for it not to be.

80. Goosenecked Fan - March 20, 2012

#78 — Seriously? HAHA!!!

I didn’t want to see it because it looked like Prince of Persia to me…maybe the guy who plays Carter and the Prince look kind of similar.

Confederates couldnt be heroes? The Civil War was not about slavery alone…

81. somethoughts - March 20, 2012

I hope star trek looks as good as this, I love the look of the ship, shots of space and the cool scenery. I love how they showed and talked about ancient civilizations and displayed those cool looking tablets, one shot showing the Annunaki gods and our solar system in the background.

Mystery in space with lots of awesomeness, well done Damon!

82. Azrael - March 20, 2012

@80. No Confederates can’t be heroes, ever, and I don’t care at all who disagrees with me.

83. Goosenecked Fan - March 20, 2012

#81 — It’s gonna rock!!!

Like Confederates! :-)

84. Vultan - March 20, 2012


An Ex-Confederate can’t be the hero, huh? Well, thankfully Clint Eastwood didn’t think so when he made the excellent Outlaw Josey Wales.

Also, I believe ERB made Carter a Confederate because a man with a heavy, shameful past is more interesting, and finding himself on the right side of another cause (on Mars) is more meaningful a character (and story) development.

85. Basement Blogger - March 20, 2012

On the John Carter issue, I liked the movie. It’s not great. Confusing narrative and lack of exposition hurt it. I mean you don’t get any motivation for Mark Strong’s character. They fight with swords when they have guns? And that nineteenth century art direction for Mars?

Still it’s a pleasant time waster. Cool looking six limb aliens. Liked the action. Good performances. William DaFoe’s voice is barely recognizable. And Michael Giacchino’s score is great. His music is lush. epic and romantic.

86. LordCheeseCakeBreath - March 20, 2012

Way more interested in this! Can’t wait!

87. mojomonkey - March 20, 2012


I can understand your position (#78).

But let me say a few things in defense of ERB & JC:

ERB’s racial chauvinism is far removed from actual xenophobic racism. While I’m sure most ST fans have always been enlightened in this way, Burroughs wrote Princess of Mars in 1911 and Tarzan Lord of the Apes in 1912. However, racism wasn’t an integral part of his design. In POM there is definitely a bias for “civilized” societies vs. “savage” societies, but Burroughs transcends this idea in a number of ways (probably against his own innate prejudices at the time).

“The original John Carter novels contain such a pervasive mix of racism and slavery that the mediocre Sci-Fi hiding behind it can’t even be seen.”

To begin with, there was virtually *no* SF at the time. Beyond Verne and Wells, the genre had yet to be created. Wells was far worse than Burroughs in this regard. Wells was educated and literate, and subscribed to the misguided (and misnamed) ideas of Social Darwinism. Read his story Food of the Gods. Burroughs was a layman writing an escapist romance set on another planet.

Firstly, Burroughs eventually outgrew his views held over from the 19th Century (Wells never really did). As primitive as POM is to us now, Burroughs broke new ground for SF in ways that are still informing the genre. His Martians aren’t monsters invading the earth, they have their own culture, language, traditions, beliefs, aspirations, feelings and history. Burroughs drew a direct line of correlation between native Americans and the Tharks, and while John Carter is appalled by the “savagery” of the Tharks, by the end of the story, he has discovered aspects of their culture to admire in comparison to that of civilized “man”. Whatever traces of racial chauvinism exist in the first two Barsoom stories disappear pretty quickly in the series.

The original concept for Tarzan was that of heredity – if you drop a naked, infant offspring of English nobility in the middle of the jungle, just by virtue of his heredity, he will end up ruling everyone else. Burroughs himself saw the absurdity of that idea as he went on & rethought it completely. The ultimate “moral” of Tarzan is that civilized man is the savage, not vice versa, and far more dangerous than any animal.

This is all very rudimentary to us looking back from the 21st Century, but it was long before any kind of movement for equal rights or the concept of “alternative” ways of life being equal to that of “civilized” white society.

#84 John Carter is not in any way ashamed of his service in the Civil War. The bottom line is that in 1911, the Civil War was long past, and the idea of a Southern gentleman having adventures was appealing to readers of magazine fiction. Before the story is even finished, Carter is situated in upstate NY and almost no mention of his Virginian past is ever made again. I think Burroughs just changed his mind. Indeed, Carter says, “I can hardly remember my childhood, it seems I was always a man.” His past was a bit of “historical” coloration that ends up being irrelevant to Carter’s past. He ends up marrying a red Martian woman and having a four armed green Martian as his best friend!

#78 Princess of Mars introduced many elements of serious SF that are still with us. Yes, it is outdated in many ways, but the concepts are still fresh. SF authors still try to jibe their fiction to current scientific knowledge, still use imagined alien cultures to explore human experience, still invent alien languages to create a layer of “reality” etc. Wells was more a science-fantasist, and unless you read Verne in French, you would have had no idea of the importance scientific accuracy played in his books, which were heavily abridged and poorly translated into English. Burroughs definitely made a major contribution to SF.

I hope you can get over your own bias and enjoy this film one day. It is nothing like Prince of Persia, which I shut off after 15 minutes. Visually, it is on par with 2001 : A Space Odyssey and Blade Runner, it is a real wonder to behold, fanatically detailed, an incredibly well realized “world”.

88. Vultan - March 20, 2012


Excellent points. But I was referring to the popular perception of the Confederacy as a “heavy and shameful” part of American history rather than Carter’s own in-universe perception.

In any event, there was quite a bit of fiction in the first quarter or so of the 20th century situated around Civil War veterans from both the Union and Confederacy (See: “Gone with the Wind” etc.). I assume it was just a matter of nostalgia, as strange as that sounds, for the war and its veterans, just as we see fiction centered around WW2 and other modern wars and their respective generations today.

89. THX-1138 - March 20, 2012

I won’t post ANY spoilers, particularly if I can’t truly verify them. But all you need do is a Google search and you’ll probably come up with the same thing I saw.

90. MJ - March 20, 2012

Yea, seriously @78? Come on, how silly now. Grow up, would you?

91. mojomonkey - March 20, 2012

#88 Thanks, your wording is better than mine.

#89 Okay, thx, I’ve become a real “spoiler-phobe”. I find I have a better time at the movies when I don’t know the plot, budget or what the critics are saying. Just me and a story in a darkened theater…

92. N - March 20, 2012

John Carter? Isn’t that the avatar rip-off that’s just green instead of blue? Why you’d want to rip off something as awful as avatar I don’t know, but hey it’s a mad world.

I am really looking forward to Prometheus, I’m not sure I have huge expectations about the script though. But for all I know maybe Lindelof is actually a pretty good writer by himself.

93. Vultan - March 20, 2012


John Carter was written about a century before Avatar, long before Star Wars, Flash Gordon, Buck Rogers, and Superman. The movie resembles other things probably due to the fact that many things over the decades have taken a page (or more) from Edgar Rice Burrough’s original stories.


94. MJ - March 20, 2012

@92, “John Carter? Isn’t that the avatar rip-off that’s just green instead of blue? Why you’d want to rip off something as awful as avatar I don’t know, but hey it’s a mad world.”

My goodness, I have run into some big time morons on this board, but N takes the lead now as the penultimate moron!

Hey “Einstein,” John Carter was written a century before Avatar.

“I am really looking forward to Prometheus, I’m not sure I have huge expectations about the script though”

Hey duche bag, like at this point based on the dumbest comment I have ever read on these boards, I am suppose to care about your critique of the Promethius script? LOL

95. Hugh Hoyland - March 20, 2012

I will be seeing John Carter for sure.

Now to this, I cant wait until the movie comes out, seriously I havent wanted to see a flick so bas since Star Wars PM.

96. Azrael - March 20, 2012

@87. Thanks for giving me a few facts about ERB that I was unaware of. I still am of the opinion that Confederates should never be portrayed as heroes, but it works for me so that is all I care about in that regard. I don’t like Wells either, though I have read most of Jules Verne’s books. I also sometimes read EE Smith and John W Campbell (to name a few early SF authors). I have issues with Smith, as he uses ethnically based material, but it isn’t extremely prevalent, just a few lines every so often. To each their own I guess.

97. Goosenecked Fan - March 20, 2012

#87 — Interesting post. I’ll check out JC just based on what you wrote…to compare it 2001 and Blade Runner — that definitely piques my curiousity.

98. Hugh Hoyland - March 20, 2012


I dont know about that supposed leaked script. In the opening scene when describing a planet it says INT. PLANET. Its talking about the surface of the planet.

But could have been an honest mistake.

99. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - March 20, 2012

@ 57 Khan 2.0 – Yes, what you’re saying is true. Actually, I’d go even further: the AVP movies should have just followed the story of the AVP game — it was actually pretty decent (and set in the future like movies 1-4).

@68 Vultan – Yes, the Duelists is a decent movie… a little anachronistic at times, but so is Gladiator, and nevertheless, both manage to be entertaining. I like how Harvey Keitel played his part especially, and Keith Carradine as well.

100. MJ - March 20, 2012

@96 “@87. Thanks for giving me a few facts about ERB that I was unaware of. I still am of the opinion that Confederates should never be portrayed as heroes, but it works for me so that is all I care about in that regard. I don’t like Wells either, though I have read most of Jules Verne’s books. I also sometimes read EE Smith and John W Campbell (to name a few early SF authors). I have issues with Smith, as he uses ethnically based material, but it isn’t extremely prevalent, just a few lines every so often. To each their own I guess.”

My goodness, how do you wake up and face the day every morning. If you look at the world throught the eyes of victim, then guess what, you are a victim. This old style thinking about race is unhealthy. Move on dude.

101. DS9 IN PRIME TIME - March 20, 2012



102. Vultan - March 20, 2012


Yeah, those are two actors I was surprised to see in a movie about 19th century France, but nevertheless I enjoyed their performances. And that last shot of Keitel on the hillside at sunset—wow. Beautiful, simply beautiful.

103. Azrael - March 21, 2012

There is only one race, Human. Thus the specific use of the term “ethnically” instead of “racially”. Obviously you completely missed my point. But it’s not worth my time to explain it to you.

104. Jai - March 21, 2012

It looks like a reminder about some basic facts regarding the Confederacy and the Civil War is necessary.

Confederate Vice-President Alexander Stephens declared that slavery and “subordination to the white race” was the “natural condition” of African-Americans and that it was the “immediate cause” of secession in his “Cornerstone Speech” in March 1861. He also said that the Confederate Constitution and the Confederate Government were fundamentally based on exactly the opposite principle to “all men are created equal”, especially African-Americans compared to white people:

“The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the “rock upon which the old Union would split.” He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with; but the general opinion of the men of that day was, that, somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away… Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon it—when the “storm came and the wind blew, it fell.”

Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition.”

Individual Confederate states made similar declarations, eg. Mississippi’s declaration of secession stated, “Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery”.

I’m aware of the risks of Godwin’s Law, but replace the word “negro” with “Jew” in Alexander Stephens’s speech, and imagine the whole thing is in German. Now imagine a sci-fi story where the hero is a German officer who fought for the Third Reich, is not in any way ashamed of his service for that regime, and finds himself transported to some alien planet.

So it’s entirely understandable why some people would be very hostile to the idea of Confederates being portrayed as heroes, even in fictional stories.

105. Vultan - March 21, 2012

If I recall correctly, John Carter was not a member of the Confederate congress nor any sort of legislature. He was a simple soldier.

And if you want to narrow your field of acceptable fictional characters even more, consider the atrocities committed by the US Army on Native Americans. So I guess we can cross the blue coats off the list as well….

Oh, and what government did many Native Americans in Indian Territory fight for in the Civil War? The Confederacy.

A crazy world, isn’t it?

106. mojomonkey - March 21, 2012

#105 Great points!

Let’s not start painting the past one color. Hindsight is 20/20.

If we followed Azreal’s dictum to its logical conclusion, we wouldn’t have “Schindler’s List” or many other fine stories. Sometimes, it is beneficial to see things from an opposing point of view.

If I remember correctly, in the original Star Trek, women weren’t allowed to be starship captains. Times change and fiction changes with it.

107. Jai - March 21, 2012

Mojomonkey, re: #106:

“Sometimes, it is beneficial to see things from an opposing point of view.”

Ironically, that’s exactly one of the points I’m making. Patronisingly dismissing other people’s (often valid) objections in these situations isn’t the right attitude to have.

I’m not accusing you of doing this, by the way, and your comment #87 is correct in that the issue is sometimes quite nuanced and complexed.

“Times change and fiction changes with it.”

Yes, fortunately.

108. Jai - March 21, 2012

^^”complexed” should be “complicated”.

109. Jack - March 21, 2012

I guess I mispoke about serious SF — I meant “serious” in that no fun way, more that it was marketed as a heavy, serious movie. And all that is there, as has been pointed out, but it’s also not, say, the Chronicles of Riddick.

110. Azrael - March 21, 2012

@106. You arent following anything from me.

@105. I am, as I mentioned on another thread, a member of the Oglala Lakota tribe so I don’t need anyone to tell me who my ancestors fought for during the Civil War. I am also descended from Benedict Arnold so I am certainly not looking at my ancestors through “rose-colored” shades.

Just to be clear, I am not interested in any fiction in which the hero is a Confederate, a Nazi, a member of al-Qaeda, or any other group that teaches and supports hatred and oppression of others.

I never said that any of these groups were not a valid source of fictional characters, just not Heroes, use em for villains all you want.

111. mojomonkey - March 21, 2012

Azrel: I respect your position and I certainly have my own versions of it: don’t even *ask* me what I think of “Lolita” :P

But when you speak of groups that preach hatred and support oppression, that’s just about every human society at one time or another. Actually, right now, America is home to many hate groups, who are protected under the constitution, and is home to many corporations that are no better than Southern slave plantations. Yet I am not evil. This is one of the reasons Roddenberry added a Russian to TOS and a Klingon to ST:TNG, to show that individuals can stand apart from the collective. And like it or not, many of our real world “heroes” weren’t spotless.

Just some surface-thoughts on the issue…

112. Vultan - March 21, 2012


Well, forgive me. I didn’t see your autobiography on another thread. The only reason I pointed out that Native Americans like the Cherokee (my tribe) fought for the Confederacy was to illustrate the shades of gray—no pun intended—when it comes to history… and people. That’s all.

And a fiction writer will apply those sort of shades to a character he or she creates, disregarding the cardboard cutout “hero” and “villain,” usually in an attempt to create something interesting and realistic. Any sort of prejudice or bigotry perceived from the author may in fact be their own worldview—or not. You pretty much have to research each author to find out… that is, if it interests you.

113. Vultan - March 21, 2012

Since the Nazis have been inevitably brought up, check out the story of boxer Max Schmeling. He was a heavyweight champ who fought Joe Louis in the 1930s. He was Hitler’s decorated Nazi strongman, the pride of German—Aryan—athleticism and manhood, and a hero to his people.

Oh, and he also secretly helped two Jewish children escape Europe at the risk of his own life, and after the war became friends with Joe Louis—even paid for part of his funeral expenses.

Again, shades of gray.

114. Keachick - rose pinenut (F) - March 21, 2012

#110 – Not to mention that conscription tended to be the done thing on all sides of any conflict.

115. somethoughts - March 21, 2012


I swear USA tried to take over Canada and burn our Capital down at one point, that’s why we moved it to Ottawa, it’s a much longer walk, I could have sworn Canadians torched down your capital in vengeance.

Yes let’s not go there, hatred sucks and it’s much easier to filter out the bad to look only at the good and vice versa.

Poor native Indians…

116. dmduncan - March 21, 2012

John Carter was awesome.

110: “Just to be clear, I am not interested in any fiction in which the hero is a Confederate, a Nazi, a member of al-Qaeda, or any other group that teaches and supports hatred and oppression of others.”

“I never said that any of these groups were not a valid source of fictional characters, just not Heroes, use em for villains all you want.”

Hau kola. What about George Washington and Thomas Jefferson? Heroes or villains?

117. dmduncan - March 21, 2012

And Prometheus. Uh. Such a great looking movie thus far. Ridley Scott’s movies have been letting me down lately. He looks back on his game with this one.

118. Azrael - March 21, 2012

Look, I won’t apologize for expressing my beliefs, or for holding to them, but I will apologize for allowing myself to derail a thread because I, A. Like to argue, and B. I am somewhat of a militant anti-hate group type. I condemn all hate groups, no matter where they originate, or who their targets are, and I do not believe that hate speech should be constitutionally protected.

So like I said sorry for getting into all of this here, in a thread for an article that has absolutely nothing to do with this stuff AFAICT.

119. mojomonkey - March 21, 2012

I’m hoping Prometheus is longer than 2 hrs. I just want a good SF epic. It’s been so long. Something really meaty.

120. dmduncan - March 21, 2012

Well if you hate hate, you are not anti-hate. If you set out to destroy evil, you become evil.

The only way to defeat evil is by not being evil. Very hard to do. Many many people think they can use evil for good. And those people end up being the most wicked, the most damned of all.

121. Vultan - March 21, 2012


Ben Franklin rocks!

As for Washington and Jefferson—hmm, I’d say a little from column A and a little from column B.

Bringing us back around to the movies, you can say the same about “Birth of a Nation.” On one hand, it’s a great technical achievement in cinema. On the other hand, it’s utter racist garbage.

122. dmduncan - March 21, 2012

121. Vultan – March 21, 2012

There is often some form of beauty in many wicked things. And those are usually the components that draw people in to them. It’s kind of funny to me when people think bad things always come labeled as such for their safety.

Quite often they come mislabeled as things that are good for you. Because bad sh*t doesn’t really care if you are honestly and accurately informed.

123. somethoughts - March 21, 2012


It’s the fabric of the universe, generation and destruction, order and chaos, ying and yang, positive and negative, matter and anti matter, push and pull, good and evil etc.

I wouldn’t be surprised if each galaxy is alive and part of a greater link/being.

124. Goosenecked Fan - March 21, 2012

#120 — “Well if you hate hate, you are not anti-hate. If you set out to destroy evil, you become evil.

The only way to defeat evil is by not being evil. Very hard to do. Many many people think they can use evil for good. And those people end up being the most wicked, the most damned of all.”

Interesting…i’ve never thought of it that way before. Thank you…

125. Jack - March 21, 2012

I haven’t read the original. As it is, it’s a bit of a tale of redemption, no? And again, were the majority of confederate soldiers fighting for ideology or because of geography? I don’t know. And, yeah, I can’t make excuses.

118. This is exactly why I like coming here. This is a good conversation. No derailing has happened.

126. Mattyb - March 21, 2012

@ #29 Loved the Fc trailer Promethus Style. Looked very epic actually

127. somethoughts - March 21, 2012

This is why at the end of Star Trek 2009 Kirk was so awesome in offering to help Nero. Spock should have agreed with Kirk and cue into Nero refusing help then dying in the black hole and not being fired upon by the Enterprise.

128. Vultan - March 21, 2012



An entertaining movie, but the “morality tale in space” must’ve been… cloaked.

129. Keachick - rose pinenut (F) - March 21, 2012

There are some people who posted on this site and said they thought that Kirk should not have offered Nero a choice but should have beamed him and whoever remained of the crew aboard the Enterprise to stand trial and pay for their crimes once the Enterprise returned to earth. They say that he let Nero off too easily. Yet another perspective…

130. Red Dead Ryan - March 21, 2012

Nero was too dangerous to risk beaming onto the Enterprise. Kirk made the offer to save Nero and his crew, knowing full well the madman would reject it. Kirk then had no choice but to fire on the Narada after Nero rebuffed him.

Plus, Nero had already escaped from Rura Penthe. And even if they did capture Nero, how would the Federation put him on trial? Wouldn’t the Romulans try to get their hands on him as he has knowledge not just of the future, but also of advanced Borg technology?

131. mojomonkey - March 21, 2012

>>And even if they did capture Nero, how would the Federation put him on trial? Wouldn’t the Romulans try to get their hands on him as he has knowledge not just of the future, but also of advanced Borg technology?<<

Ugh, even the 130th posting on a Prometheus thread 4 years after the movie, fans can invent *better* storylines than the nonsense we got in the movie :P

132. MJ - March 21, 2012

@118 “Look, I won’t apologize for expressing my beliefs, or for holding to them, but I will apologize for allowing myself to derail a thread because I, A. Like to argue, and B. I am somewhat of a militant anti-hate group type. I condemn all hate groups, no matter where they originate, or who their targets are, and I do not believe that hate speech should be constitutionally protected.”

Militant anti-hate group? Isn’t that a Catch-22? Love is the opposite of hate, dude. You don’t use hate to stop hate — check out Iran for an extreme example of this. See the Spielberg movie, Munich, for another great treatment on this. And preventing freedom of speech is a very slipper slope..who is the police and judge on what qualifies? You?

133. Vultan - March 21, 2012

I think a better ending would’ve had Nero captured, then taken to a faraway Fed prison where a Vulcan counselor (perhaps Spock Prime) sits down and begins asking Nero about his feelings.

Death by psychobabble!
And a fascinating ending. ;)

134. somethoughts - March 21, 2012

Back in the 80s the bad guys get away or kill themselves tripping or falling etc, optimus would never execute his opponent, tranformers 3, a better fate would have been to deactivate/freeze prime n megatron. When did our heroes become cold blooded killers :)

135. MJ - March 21, 2012

Some folks hear need to read their history books better. Read about all ethnic and/or national groups in the 19th century, and you will find bad behavior and blood on most groups’ hands in spades, and that includes Native Americas, the Union, etc. So if you really read up on your American instead of citing pop history platitudes, you would find that, by your limited definition, there are not many heroes of any ethnic groups to go around in the good old 1800’s.

136. somethoughts - March 21, 2012

A good ending to st09 would have been nero being beaten in a kirkfu n spockfu 2v1 and spock delivering the vulcan nerve pintch and nero accidently falling into the red matter and have him being sucked into oblivion while kirk and spock space jump back to the enterprise before being sucked into the black hole

137. Jack - March 21, 2012

127. Indeed. Although, one could argue that, by firing, they were making sure Nero didn’t end up somewhere else in time… but, meh. And wasn’t it kind of obvious to anyone who’s seen a movie that, yes, they shouldn’t be quite so close to a black hole/singularity (although, arguably, had they trued to pull away sooner, maybe the same thingwould have happened).

138. dmduncan - March 21, 2012

To me it looks like there’s been a progressive slide since the 60’s toward the unregulated passions that shows up in the coarseness of public dialogue and in the indulgence in cinema of feelings of self righteous violence. It feels good to be bad for good. Call it Dirty Harry Syndrome.

Which doesn’t make a whole lot of logical sense…but then making too much sense will get you shunned. Which is not exactly the sought after result of a movie or TV show.

People get pretty much what they ask for. And mostly they ask for bum wine.

139. somethoughts - March 21, 2012

Lol bum wine

140. MJ - March 21, 2012

@138. Well put, DM.

And to any haters of haters, I would also add another Dirty Harry reference:

“A man’s got to know his limitations.”

141. Vultan - March 21, 2012

Yet somehow Batman didn’t allow the Joker to fall to his death—well, this most recent time he didn’t. Anyway, I was glad to see Nolan didn’t forget the whole vigilante vs. crime fighter moral struggle of the character. And hey, it was done without Hollywood shunning all those involved. Hmm, go figure.

Still though, in Batman Begins he allows Ras al Ghul to die. “I won’t kill you. But I don’t have to save you.” Yeah… that still doesn’t sit quite right with me. Otherwise a good movie.

142. somethoughts - March 21, 2012


Yea, spiderman also didnt kill his foes, burglar, tripped and fell to his death,green goblin died at hands of his own blades, doc oct died saving the city, black costume evil spidey tried to kill sandman.

143. somethoughts - March 21, 2012

In batman begins, batman was still pretty raw, discovering himself. I will conclude, quinto spock is also very raw and still dealing with his emotions under wraps, as he lost his mother, home world and 99% of his race.

144. Jack - March 22, 2012

138. I’llregret posting this, but, say, for example crowds cheering after, say, a terrorist leader is killed wihout a trial…

145. Hermioni - March 22, 2012

@#138 dmduncun – March 21, 2012March 21, 2012

“… the indulgence in cinema of feelings of self righteous violence. It feels good to be bad for good. Call it Dirty Harry Syndrome. …”

dmduncun, if I may say so, from where I sit you have just captured in a most succinct manner one of the core emotional functions of a great many (not only US) action genre mega-productions.

146. Red Dead Ryan - March 22, 2012

Osama Bin Laden had to be killed. Keeping him alive for a trial would have resulted in a huge PR nightmare. Would you have him stand trial in a civillian court, where he could hijack the proceedings and espouse his hate propaganda and rally his followers? You’d have to not only keep the media away, which would be difficult to do legal-wise, and the amount of security needed would be enormous. Then people would complain about the cost. Unless you held it at the Hague, but then there would still be opposition to that idea. Or what about a military tribunal, which many human rights activists have shunned for it’s lack of Miranda Rights?

As for people cheering Bin Laden’s death, well, that was their right. And completely understandable.

Anyway, as for Dirty Harry Callahan, I thought that the reason why he was “bad” was because he had become disillusioned and cynical of the justice system for not doing its job properly. Dirty Harry believed that the court system was more concerned about the rights of the accused rather than the rights of the victim.

147. MJ - March 22, 2012

RDR, I was talking about people who hate people who speak things they don’t like or label a class of people as hateful, with the specific example of hating a civil war vet common solider. As far as terrorists go, yes, release the Seal Teams and take care of them — to terrorists I would say, “go ahead, make my day!”

Dirty Harry did what he thought was right within a corrupt system; he wasn’t killing people out of hate for the haters…he was taking down scumbags of all races and types of people….different topic.

148. mojomonkey - March 22, 2012


Ha ha, I can see what you mean.

But in the hands of a good SF writer that could have been a much more provocative and interesting storyline. You have the heroes of the day 2/3 through and then — they have to deal with a really serious, morally challenging, difficult situation that can’t be fixed by blind good luck and blowing things out of the sky and would force them to *really* interact as characters. Not that I expect anything like that JJA’s black and white, cowboys/indians style of space adventure story.

149. Red Dead Ryan - March 22, 2012


I wasn’t responding to your post specifically. But yeah, I agree with you..

150. Vultan - March 22, 2012


Yup. Totally agree.

I also lean in agreement that Bin Laden should’ve been taken out instead of imprisoned—probably best for all of us. Though I’d be lying if I said I didn’t have mixed feelings about the matter.

As for Nero, like the Joker, it’s all set within a fictional universe. If Trek can get away with fantastic things like red matter and warp speed transport and time-travel alternate universe black holes, I think it can also get away with taking the moral high ground, serve as an example of the way things should and, maybe one day, could be.

151. La Reyne d'Epee - March 22, 2012

I am going to be entertained yet again by Ridley Scott.


152. Philip Dunlop - March 22, 2012

I haven’t been this excited about a movie since… well… Star Trek.

153. Azrael - March 23, 2012

Hey btw Dmduncan, good job getting the right language for my tribe. :)

154. Captain Ransom - March 23, 2012

no way the new trek movie will even approach the epicness of prometheus.

WHAT HAPPENED TO SCI FI MOVIE NEWS?? i don’t even look at this website anymore because of that.

155. montreal_paul - March 23, 2012

154. Captain Ransom
” WHAT HAPPENED TO SCI FI MOVIE NEWS?? i don’t even look at this website anymore because of that.”

Ummmm… you’re here now, aren’t you?

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