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Kurtzman: Enterprise Crew ‘Still Working Out Kinks’ + Cumberbatch Is ‘Magnetic’ April 4, 2012

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While promoting his upcoming movie People Like Us, Star Trek sequel co-writer producer Alex Kurtzman has also been talking Trek, revealing that crew of USS Enterprise is still on their journey to becoming the bridge crew we knew. He also talks about the ‘magnetic’ performance of Benedict Cumberbatch. Excerpts below

 

Kurtzman: Enterprise Crew ‘Still Working Out Kinks’ + Cumberbatch Is ‘Magnetic’

Alex Kurtzman is starting the promotion for his directorial debut People Like Us (see first trailer released last week). But since Kurtzman is also a co-writer/producer of the Star Trek sequel, he obviously talks some Trek too. Talking to MovieWeb, Kurtzman offered this update on the progress for the sequel currently in production:

"The movie is going unbelievably well. J.J. as usual is crushing it, he’s doing an amazing amazing job. I think as much as we put all of our love and effort into the first one, there’s even more in this one and he is really, he’s such an exacting and beautiful director. What I watch him do, it’s so amazing, he inspires everybody around him and he’s been so utterly true to everything that we all have honored and loved about Trek so that’s kind of where we’re at right now. The finish line is in sight."

While Kurtzman didn’t reveal any plot spoilers, he did offer a glimpse into the journey that the cast has taken since the last film and where they are in the sequel, noting (via MTV):

"…the challenge is that you don’t want to jump too far ahead and assume that just because they got together they’re all comfortable with each other. They’re still all working out their kinks and still becoming the bridge crew that we remember from the series. That’s still very much alive and look, any good sequel is about the challenge that the group faces in order to become the unified team and I think that that challenge in this movie is going to be hopefully amazing."


Kurtzman says the new bridge crew is still getting to know each other in the Star Trek sequel

Finally, Alex gave this assessment of the performance of Benedict Cumberbatch (who TrekMovie has reported is playing the villain in the film):

"He’s incredible. What he does with language is incredible. His training is amazing and he’s so magnetic, he holds the screen in any size frame, he really is a joy to watch."

Alex Kurtzman’s People Like Us arrives in theater on June 29, 2012. The Star Trek sequel hits the big screen on May 17, 2013.


Kurtzman says Benedict Cumberbatch is ‘magnetic’ in 2013 Star Trek sequel

Comments

1. Matt from Bradford Uk - April 4, 2012

Its actually nice to hear from Mr Kurtzman. we don’t normally hear from him in interviews. Unless he is incognito on hear

2. poo - April 4, 2012

First! Waiting on Prometheus till this comes out!

3. Greenberg - April 4, 2012

I just hope he got better dialogue than that poor sap Eric Bana. Don’t waste this guy’s talent, seriously.

4. I'm Dead Jim! - April 4, 2012

I really really do appreciate the Supreme Court’s enthusiasm but get a little suspicious over the excessive dropping of adjectives like “unbelievable” and “amazing”. That’s a lot to live up to. I only hope they can truly make it so.

5. Craiger - April 4, 2012

Why can’t they at least tell us who the villain is? That’s not giving away too much right?

6. Schultz - April 4, 2012

Cumberbatch is dope. I was thrilled when I heard that he got cast.

7. LizardGirl - April 4, 2012

I love Benedict. Just saw him in Warhorse and I was a fan of BBC Sherlock before I even knew he was in the new Trek movie. He really is magnetic and exciting to watch! I want to see more of him!

8. I'm Dead Jim! - April 4, 2012

Oh, I also heard a story this week on NPR about Spanish Language television in the US in which they interviewed Roberto Orci. I don’t remember his position but it sounded like he was involved in one of the networks? I assume that was you, Bob? It truly is “unbelievable” how many pies you have your fingers into. It sounded like your voice, anyway.

9. JS - April 4, 2012

Major man crush on Cumberbatch. Sherlock is my favorite show on TV right now. Follow the language, and she’ll always take you home.

10. Battle-scarred Sciatica - April 4, 2012

@3

have to agree with you there.

TBTB must use him wisely. He is a fantastic actor but i bet he could make the crumbiest script come alive.

We’ll see wont we.

11. rm10019 - April 4, 2012

Maybe BC is playing Magneto ;)

12. KyleH - April 4, 2012

Hi Friends,

As we consider Benedict Cumberbatch’s magnetism…

If you haven’t seen this, it is — truthfully — one of the online postings that has made me laugh the hardest, ever.

Otters Who Look Like Benedict Cumberbatch: A Visual Examination.

Enjoy!

http://redscharlach.tumblr.com/post/19565284869/otters-who-look-like-benedict-cumberbatch-a

13. psychojediboy - April 4, 2012

Why do people seem to think capitalization and punctuation are optional these days?

14. Neumann - April 4, 2012

But more importantly, how’s the pressure?

15. mooseday - April 4, 2012

#7 you should check him out in Tinker Taylor Soldier Spy too … really good in that.

16. Phil - April 4, 2012

I’m hoping this is a decoy comment on Kurtzman’s part. A chunk of the fan base was probably willing to look past the “cadet to captain” promotion, but to suggest the crew is working the kinks out is a hint that they took that really weak componet of the last movie and decided to build a story around it. That would be really bad. Really, really bad.

17. china - April 4, 2012

KyleH needs to get out more.

18. boborci - April 4, 2012

That was my Dad on NPR, who is a marketing and advertising expert.

19. Dilithium_doublebock - April 4, 2012

Still working out Kinks?
Oh well … people are strange.

20. boborci - April 4, 2012

I think what alex means is that they are al still getting to know each other.

21. Phil - April 4, 2012

Charles Dickens visited the US and the Perkins School for the Blind – NPR did a piece on this and my cousin got her 10 seconds of fame for the NPR segment. (She is a librarian at the school).

NPR is a great place for these kind of human interest stories, by the way….

22. DP McGuire - April 4, 2012

I loved the dialog from Nero in the first one. It was very real and believable. Why do people think that the bad guy has to be a great communicator. That is just silly. It was a breath of fresh air that he didn’t talk us all to death with his brilliant prose.

23. Bennie - April 4, 2012

@boborci Bob i am looking forward to see this movie and i am sure you guys are doing a fine job. Live long and prosper!
Greets from Holland!

24. boborci - April 4, 2012

23. Greetings! Thanks for vote of confidence. What’s the weather like right now?

25. boborci - April 4, 2012

22. LOL!

26. Jeyl - April 4, 2012

“J.J. as usual is crushing it, he’s doing an amazing amazing job.”
“he’s such an exacting and beautiful director.”
“What I watch him do, it’s so amazing”

And I’m sure we’ll have plenty of opportunities to hear more of your praises when you do the commentary track. This is going to hurt.

27. Oh No, Odo - April 4, 2012

How is Spock and Uhura making-out the “bridge crew we remember?”

Uhura barely talks to Spock as far as I remember. And where is Christine Chapel during all this?

28. Keachick - rose pinenut (F) - April 4, 2012

“Hi, Christopher…” Loved the Romulan/Aussie accent. I always get the giggles when I hear how those lines were delivered. Anyway, since no one actually knows how Romulans sound when they speak English, how does anyone know that some might not sound like an English speaking Australian?…:)

It is good that the writers/producers are enjoying their work on the new Star Trek movie. I hope it is the same for the actors and others. You tend to enjoy doing something, even if it is a lot of hard work, when you know the final product is a real winner – good story, good acting, good props etc etc…

The new Star Trek movie sequel – *Only* 13 months 12 days away from release date!

Please Bob Orci/Alex Kurtzman – any date yet for the release of People Like Us for Australia and NZ? Thank you.

29. Dilithium_doublebock - April 4, 2012

@19 disregard
That was the Doors not the Kinks

30. Phil - April 4, 2012

@20. Getting to know each other, personally, I understand. My concern stems from the comment about the “crew” working out kinks – in today’s Navy, decidedly much lower tech then a 23rd century starship, these guys qualify and train extensively before being turned loose on a ship. When a trained crew rotates in, those guys are ready to go. There have been plenty of stories build around training exercises, so I’m not that concerned – heck, several of the TOS movies were built around them….

31. rm10019 - April 4, 2012

Sadly Nurse Chapel was stationed on Vulcan in this universe… Please let this new take on the classic characters have its chance!

32. Josh S - April 4, 2012

Did you film any scenes set in the Federation or StarFleet Headquarters for the new film? Best.

33. sunfell - April 4, 2012

You’d be surprised how many Star Trek fans there are at NPR. I heard that segment yesterday, and thought it was ‘our’ Bob, too! I mean, how many Roberto Orcis can there be in LA, right?

Our Bob is the junior (thanks for clearing that up on Twitter, too- Bob!).

Whatever happens with this movie, I am sure it’ll be fantastic.

I do wonder if some of the principal filming is winding down- Zach Quinto was silent for nearly 3 months, then suddenly uncorked a volley of Tweets. Kind of nice to hear from him again.

34. CarlG - April 4, 2012

@26: Nobody is forcing you to buy the thing, poor baby.

35. Gradus - April 4, 2012

“Working out kinks….”
Kirk and Spock still can’t agree on a safe word.

36. Buzz Cagney - April 4, 2012

#15 and Starter for 10.

37. holly - April 4, 2012

I hope Cumberbatch has some good lines. Not worth having a great actor as a baddie unless he has something to get his teeth into.

38. Vultan - April 4, 2012

#36

Have you seen “Tinker Tailor” yet, Buzz?
Or “War Horse”?

Just wondering what you thought of them.

39. Dennis Bailey - April 4, 2012

#26: “This is going to hurt.”

Only if you’re determined to make it so.

Alternatively, you could go do something you enjoy instead. Then we all win. ;-)

40. porthoses bitch - April 4, 2012

Everytime I see that photo of Cumberbatch I think he’d make a great Dr. Who (he kind of reminds me of Tom Baker)….on that subject wouldn’t David Tennant make a great Q.

41. Craiger - April 4, 2012

If Cumberbatch is Khan I wonder how great he would do Khan’s speech at the end of TWOK? They could maybe combine Space Seed and TWOK but not have Spock die. Then have Pine say KHANNNN!!!!!!

42. Craiger - April 4, 2012

Sorry should have said Also instead of Then have Pine say KHANNNN!!!!!

43. Craiger - April 4, 2012

Forgot to add if the villain is Khan.

44. DS9 IN PRIME TIME - April 4, 2012

@boborci

Bob when can we expect to see some sort of trailor for Star trek?

45. Agotnes - April 4, 2012

#27
In the first film we hear Bones speak to a nurse
Chapel off screen.

46. I'm Dead Jim! - April 4, 2012

@18 It was a great interview, Bob. Amazing how much you sound alike, at least based on my memory of hearing you in interviews and on the Trek 09 commentary (which I think is hilarious!).

47. I'm Dead Jim! - April 4, 2012

@12 Ha ha! I’m not sure who has the most talent there, the otters or Cumberbatch! :-)

48. Killamarshtrek - April 4, 2012

@24 Bob Orci

I live in England (near Holland) & the weather is CRAZY! Last week we were all sunbathing in the low 20′s. Today, half the country’s come to a stand still under a blanket of snow! Have you been using Proto Matter on your movie? It’s like the Genesis Planet here!!

49. Bucky - April 4, 2012

If Cumberbatch is good with language, one can logically assume that he’s playing the Excalbian replicate of Lincoln!!! Who, in the JJ-verse through some sort of tragic backstory, has been twisted and deformed into a being of Pure Evil!

50. Bucky - April 4, 2012

I’m not kidding, just picture how goddamn awesome it would be if the movie opens up with Cumberbatch as Lincoln, floating in outer-space and giving the Enterprise an evil glare.

51. Jack - April 4, 2012

22. Agreed. Heck, he could have just gone “arrrgh!” like a pirate the whole time and we probably wouldn’t have noticed.

52. Deflector Dish Guy - April 4, 2012

Lense flare lense flare cliche trek related one liner short skirt BIG CGI EFFECTS….

Ugh, please bring back real Star Trek, and not this Abrams fake nonsense.

53. SciFiJunky - April 4, 2012

Benedict Cumberbatch will own the sequel! He is amazing. So glad he was cast. If you haven’t seen him portraying Stephen Hawking in the BBC biography of the theoretical physicist, I highly recommend you watch it.

The entire film is on YouTube: http://youtu.be/3PNd1rldj0k

54. Craiger - April 4, 2012

How is the general public receiving Trek now after seeing the first Trek reboot movie? I was discussing this in the main chat thread. It almost seems they have forgotten the first reboot movie because they aren’t exactly buying Trek merchandise or demanding a new Trek TV series. I think maybe it is fading? Don’t get me wrong, I liked the reboot movie just curious about the general public’s perception of Trek now. Do they still think its too geeky, nerdy and intellectual?

55. Mike C. - April 4, 2012

More than just trekkers went to see it. I don’t think there will be any problems. Plus, if its good there will be buzz. No pressure.

56. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - April 4, 2012

Hey Bob. Are you and Alex going to Write the next Trek Movie.

57. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - April 4, 2012

I for one can’t wait till next year. It will be very Exciting!!!. I Plan on seeing it at least 12 times. Maybe more if Bob Orci Wrote a really great Movie.

58. Battle-scarred Sciatica - April 4, 2012

@36 Buzz

The wife and I watched Starter for 10 just the other day.

Good movie. Cumblesnatch was great in it.

We also just watched Vic and Bob and the Star Trek Theme at the beginning of one of their Shooting Stars episodes from last year – I must find a link for it, it cracked me up big time!
Angelos Epithemiou is so much funnier than George Dawes!

I digress……..

59. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - April 4, 2012

Hey Bob Orci. Any Idea what the Name of the Star Trek Movie is going to be.

60. NCM - April 4, 2012

12. KyleH – April 4, 2012: “As we consider Benedict Cumberbatch’s magnetism…”

Are you saying he has animal magnetism?

61. NCM - April 4, 2012

I find AK’s comments very encouraging. I don’t think he could sound more sure of this film, more excited about it, or more sincere.

62. Trekker5 - April 4, 2012

I can’t wait to see Mr.Cumberbatch on the big screen! :) I have high hopes that if he’s like that say he is he will be awesome in the movie.

63. Jeyl - April 4, 2012

39. Alternatively, you could go do something you enjoy instead. Then we all win.

Yeah, but watching a movie with a commentary track on and listening to a bunch of guys sitting around doing nothing but praising each other can be an interesting experience. For instance, did you know that the apple bit during the Kobayashi Maru test was NOT a reference to Kirk eating an apple in Star Trek II? Also, they refer to Star Trek II as an episode, not a movie.

64. Jack - April 4, 2012

Let’s hope they don’t mention the Vulcan “Empire” onscreen.
;)

@54: “How is the general public receiving Trek now after seeing the first Trek reboot movie? I was discussing this in the main chat thread. It almost seems they have forgotten the first reboot movie because they aren’t exactly buying Trek merchandise or demanding a new Trek TV series. I think maybe it is fading?”

Dude, I don’t think the general public would do any of those things (buy Trek merchandise or demand a new series), no matter how much they might have liked the first movie.

Heck, I’d say a lot of average TOS/TNG fans don’t do those things either.

65. Jack - April 4, 2012

PS. I agree with the concerns over working out the kinks. If they mean personal relationships, well, fine — they were professional on TOS but you didn’t expect them to be sitting around a campfire roasting marsh melons. But, yeah, they should know damned well what they’re doing…

66. Vger23 - April 4, 2012

I’m happy to see that, for the most part, all of the whining pretty much just gets ignored by everyone else.

67. VZX - April 4, 2012

Question: How much time has elapsed between the two movies? Will it be four years like real time? I ask, because after working for four years together will the whole “getting to know each other” be realistic?

Yeah, sure, we can always learn more from each other, but this may seem a little bit too much after four years. I would think, by now, they would be as familiar with each other as the crew displayed in TOS.

68. Jack - April 4, 2012

66. What whining?

69. Captain Karl - April 4, 2012

@22 yes, how many movie villains wasted so much time monologuing with the hero tied up when they could have just kept the dialogue short and killed the hero? We need more villains who have less talk and more action!

70. Jack - April 4, 2012

PS. I’m definitely looking forward to this movie. I just worry a little some time. And, talking about these things, well, that’s why we come here, no?

71. Red Dead Ryan - April 4, 2012

“…working out their kinks…”

You mean Spock and Uhura’s relationship has already hit the rocks? :-)

72. SpencerJayK - April 4, 2012

Dear boborci,
Alex talks about the amazing job JJ is doing on TREK. How do you think Alex did in the “Captain’s chair” on WELCOME TO—eh hem, excuse me, PEOPLE LIKE US? Are you proud of him?

73. Dee - lvs moon' surface - April 4, 2012

All the guys of Trek sequel are magnetic … including boborci … look at the link below … is really you, Mr. Orci? … I loved it…. ;-) :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCpKU6J2WSU

74. Keachick - rose pinenut (F) - April 4, 2012

#63 LOL So you think it would be better if we had a commentary where they were bemoaning each other’s better or stink writing skills; how JJ couldn’t get a paper bag to open on occasion so bad were his directing skills at times; how someone was so pig ignorant while another was too nerdy/nitpickety etc and oh and what’s more, one of them says “Thank God, you finally did something about that damned hickey…”. Ahh, such edifying stuff, to be sure (read sarcasm).

I am not sure whether to believe Abrams or not when he says that getting Kirk to eat the apple while doing the KM simulation test had nothing to do with the TWOK scene. Seeing Kirk bring out the apple like that instantly reminded me of the TWOK scene. I suspect JJ may have been kidding us here…

75. Red Dead Ryan - April 4, 2012

#74.

The thing about Jeyl is, she’ll try to build a straw man (or even invisible man) arguement to try to justify her hatred of the Supreme Court guys. Nothing she says concerning the reboot series should be taken seriously.

I honestly think she’s one of those people who enjoys being miserable. That’s fine, but I think the rest of us would prefer her to be miserable somewhere else because I, for one, don’t want to be miserable.

76. Viking - April 4, 2012

#20 boborci – “I think what alex means is that they are al still getting to know each other.”

Some relationships are farther along than others. A scene where Kirk walks in on Spock while he’s wearing Uhura’s underwear on his head wouldn’t be out of the question. :-)

Pon farr, my ass. Spock’s gone junkyard dog on us. LOL

77. boborci - April 4, 2012

72 alex rocked it hard.

78. saavik001 - April 4, 2012

53. SciFiJunky – Thanks for the link! I’ve been looking for Hawking for awhile now! Can’t wait to see Cumberpatch in Trek next year!

79. Keachick - rose pinenut (F) - April 4, 2012

#77 Just so long as the chair didn’t tip over or does that require Chris Pine to make a running leap at the chair?…:)

No news yet about downunder release date for PLU?

80. USS Enterprise C - April 4, 2012

77. Bob: When can we expect a teaser trailer… a *JJ approved*on-set picture, or the announcement of the title? an answer to one, none, or all three would be awesome. so excited to hear more!!

81. Chasco - April 4, 2012

#27 How is Spock and Uhura making-out the “bridge crew we remember?”

I was wondering that too.

And maybe Chekov could give Scotty his brain back?

82. Buzz Cagney - April 4, 2012

#71 Oh god I hope so. I really, really, REALLY hope so.

83. Buzz Cagney - April 4, 2012

#58 I haven’t seen Vic and Bob’s Trek skit. :D Would like to, those boys are barmy! lol

Talking of Cucumbersnatch have you seen his full name? Benedict Timothy Carlton Cumberbatch. “For when one normal name just isn’t good enough” :D

84. Buzz Cagney - April 4, 2012

#58 BSS did you ever see Vic and Bob’s Carry On sketch? That had me in tears!

85. La Reyne d'Epee - April 5, 2012

40. Porthoses Bitch, just wondering if you knew that Benedict did indeed consider taking over the Dr Who role after David Tennant? Apparently after discussing it with Tennant he decided not to…

86. La Reyne d'Epee - April 5, 2012

58. Battle-Scarred Sciatica If anyone in the world could play a convincing alien with no prosthetics, it would be Matt Lucas.

87. Toonloon - April 5, 2012

Ben is magnetic! LOL! He’d love that. He’d probably say something about sticking to a fridge.

That was a great comment about his training. Benedict and I went to the same drama school so it is absolutely gobsmacking to hear such a talented man like Mr Kurtzman compliment LAMDA in such a generous way.

I really can’t wait to see this movie. I love that the crew are yet to settle in.

I feel that is sometimes a problem with re-boots or sequels. Most of the fun is setting up the story in the first movie, then the sequel comes along and because everything was established in the first movie, things feel kind of bare. Ghostbusters 2, Quantum of Solace, etc… so glad to hear the direction that the creatives have taken with ST:II

88. trekman_dave - April 5, 2012

Can we just have the name for the film, please?????

89. JRT! - April 5, 2012

I keep hearing about certain actors not getting along on set this time around as last time they weren’t that famous,now that they are there’s some ego clashing,lol! Hope they’re all friends.

UK has GREAT weather TODAY! At least where I am right now. But I leave soon to go back to the craptastic country I actually live,unfortunately. Be back there tomorrow morning. Can’t WAIT to be back in the US in July though!

Have fun y’all! J-R!

90. Daniel - April 5, 2012

Am I allowed to post an email address here? I need to contact a man who posts here sometimes. I think I can help him with a project and maybe he can help me.

91. Daoud - April 5, 2012

@88: Well, with the shifting of WELCOME TO PEOPLE to PEOPLE LIKE US… maybe it’s to clear the “WELCOME” out.
.
Star Trek: “WELCOME ABOARD”? “WELCOME TO KRONOS”? “WELCOME TO KHAN”?… hahah.
.
On a Sirius note, I wish Bob could let us know some plot non-sequiturs (no, not the Voyager episode!)…. things like the insertion of in-references such as Delta Vega, Nurse Chapel, a ship called Yorktown, “I’m givin’ her all she’s got”, etc.

Maybe this time there’s a USS Beagle (triple in-joke with TOS’s Bread and Circuses, and Archer’s dog both in ENT and ST’09), or we fly past the moons of Nibia, or past the Antares Maelstrom??? C’mon Bob, how about something that doesn’t involve the plot you could mention?

Or things you *didn’t* use, but would have liked to work in?

92. Jannek - April 5, 2012

Amazing, amazing, amazing…

93. boborci - April 5, 2012

91. Let’s see. USS Exeter gets an honorable mention. How’s that?

94. VZX - April 5, 2012

Careful, Bob. We fans might figure out the entire plot based on that mention. The “Mystery Box Police” wouldn’t like that.

95. Hugh Hoyland - April 5, 2012

That spec script I wrote had the USS Exeter in it, and the captain as the bad guy, but I changed it to a Klingon ship. :(

96. Landru's cousin, Dandru - April 5, 2012

#27: “Uhura barely talks to Spock as far as I remember.”

Then you remember incorrectly. Spock and Uhura interacted all the time–and in the early episodes, she often flirted with him. Heck, they even performed duets together in the rec room. The romance in the 2009 film was a natural extension of that dynamic.

97. Landru's cousin, Dandru - April 5, 2012

Bob Orci: I think you guys did a fantastic job with the first film. I know you take a lot of flack over some elements of it–and some of that flack I agree with, such as inexplicably having Delta Vega parked 10 feet above Vulcan instead of where it’s supposed to be–but I personally loved the movie. It had heart. It had humor. It had action. It had romance. It had in-joke references. It had Nimoy. It had perfect casting for Spock and McCoy. It had excellent special effects. it had a wonderful soundtrack. And it had emotion. Sure, it also had Chekov being the wrong age, Kirk being promoted from cadet to captain, the Enterprise being built in Iowa and so forth–but I can overlook all of that since it’s a new timeline (Delta Vega being above Vulcan… that’s not so easy to overlook). I say, keep doing what you’re doing and the next film will hit it out of the park.

98. Adolescent Nightmare - April 5, 2012

Isn’t anybody going to whine about Exeter being mentioned? Come on. I know you can think of something.

99. SoonerDave - April 5, 2012

@96 The romance in the 2009 film was a natural extension of that dynamic.

Absolute nonsense.

The Spock-Uhura relationship is the most contrived, inauthentic element of the whole film. Uhura’s most “flirtatious” line in all of TOS was (approximately) “Tell me how your planet looks on a moonlight night,” to which Spock replies, “Vulcan has no moons.” She answers “I’m not surprised.”

*That* was great character interaction. Not Spock and Uhura playing the transporter grope-and-grab.

Mind you, I liked Abrams Trek reboot, saw it several times, enjoyed it, and I understand it won’t follow the original exactly, but the Spock-Uhura nonsense, destruction of Vulcan, the DragsterPrise redesign, and Budgineering were all needless and silly decisions – mistakes all, in my book.

Yep, I can thoroughly enjoy something and recognize its faults. Illogical. Totally illogical. Yet so it is.

100. Azrael - April 5, 2012

@99 “Absolute nonsense”

In your opinion, not mine.

101. Dennis Bailey - April 5, 2012

#99: “The Spock-Uhura relationship is the most contrived, inauthentic element of the whole film.”

Absolute nonsense.

It was great. :)

102. SoonerDave - April 5, 2012

@101 @100

IMHO, there’s *no way* you can reconcile the Spock-Uhura idiocy with the pretense of worrying about the authenticity of these characters. Why bother with the Trek pretense *at all*? Let’s just all sit down and watch a bunch of “Bachelor” reruns if all we’re wanting is an arbitrary romance.

Spock is grabbing Uhura in the transporter, in the turbolift, but guess what, that isn’t Spock anymore. Not even close. I get that this is a reboot, I get that things are different, but when things are *so* different merely for the sake of difference, you’ve lost the whole point of what made those characters unique and special in the first place. That they *did* do such a fine job of persisting the basic essence of those characters elsewhere is a testimony to how good the film is – that this particularly ridiculous element of the story did not diminish the broader film.

103. Red Dead Ryan - April 5, 2012

Unfortunately, I think we’re going to be stuck with the romance. Just like the Budgineering, and the cheap, toy-like props. I get the sense that J.J isn’t going to change many things simply because we don’t like them. He doesn’t listen to the fans, which I actually think is a good thing. Its just that we’ll have to tolerate some decisions that we might not agree with. And yeah, Bob might come to chat with us, but I suspect most of the fan requests that we make get shot down by J.J anyway.

104. Buzz Cagney - April 5, 2012

I’m with you, SoonerDave.
I’d have preferred that they hinted at a relationship. Left us wondering and guessing. That would have been so much more interesting. But then the modern audience doesn’t do romantic intrigue anymore. They just want it all laid out for them. Such a shame. I think the writers really missed a trick there. We could have been going into the next movie wondering if they’d actually got together or not. Think of programmes such as Moonlighting. They got season after season based, to a great degree, on that.
Myself, personally, i’d prefer no romance between the main characters. I believe anybody that wishes otherwise really does not ‘get’ them. Spock’s mystery has been greatly diminished as a result. What I think of nUhura is best left unsaid.

105. Craiger - April 5, 2012

SoonerDave – You forget Spock hasn’t purged all emotions and done the Kholinar yet during ST 09. In the Cage Spock smiled.

106. Craiger - April 5, 2012

I forgot to add I think they based the Spock-Uhura relationship of ST 09 on The Cage with Spock smiling.

107. Red Dead Ryan - April 5, 2012

#104.

Well said! During TOS, Spock was unable to love (under normal circumstances at least) because his human and Vulcan sides of him were in constant battle. It was him being an “outsider”, if you will, that made Spock so endearing. He was popular among female fans because he chose to isolate himself from love.

For me at least, its the Kirk-Spock-McCoy relationship that matters. That’s why “The Original Series” still resonates so strongly for so many of us today. You don’t really see that dynamic among tv or movie characters anymore. Which is a damn shame.

108. VZX - April 5, 2012

Not for nothing, but how awesome would it be if the teaser poster was the exact same thing as the one used on trekmovie, with the ghostbusters II ghost hand coming out the side?

109. Phil - April 5, 2012

@103. I would not suppose that JJ hasn’t looked over Bob’s shoulder when he has been looking over the message boards. I’d also not assume that Bob is busy scribbling down all these suggestions to “fix” these productions. This is just my opinion, but I think Bob (and anyone else involved) uses these boards for more of a broader overview of the market, and to keep a finger on the pulse of the franchise….

110. Ruue - April 5, 2012

Nice to hear stuff….but what we really want is

- a movie title
- a bunch of official making of pics
- a plot synopsis

bring it on guys!!!!!

111. Craiger - April 5, 2012

And the bad guy’s name.

112. Marshall McMellon (inventor of the Marshmellon) - April 5, 2012

@ 97- as a result of the Delta Vega conundrum raised by the latest film- I simply decided that “Delta Vega” must be some kind of Star Fleet/Federation jargon for an unnamed planet with a breathable atmosphere but inhospitable climate. Works for me. :)

113. Azrael - April 5, 2012

You should watch the movie again Dave. Spock doesn’t “grab” Uhura at any point in the film. In fact even when they kiss he just barely touches her (quite fitting for a member of a society with an aversion to physical contact).

114. Chain of Command - April 5, 2012

Benedict Cumberbatch.

Such an unwieldy name LOL

Hope he is awesome in the new film.

115. Jack - April 5, 2012

109. I don’t think we are the market, nor should be — other than us being fans of films, period…

PS. There’ve been no complaints, really, about secrecy here today. Which is too bad because I wanted to mention that bit about the cast of the Avengers being accompanied in interviews by press people who tell them which questions they can and cannot answer, just to keep them from spilling the beans. And that movie’s out in just a few weeks.

112. Was that ever mentioned “officially” ie by Bob on here before? I thought I’d remembered him suggesting that, long ago. Maybe not. Maybe it was someone else. Maybe you. :) I know it appeared in the comics.

I don’t think pointing this stuff out (although, yeah, it’s been pointed out repeatedly) or asking about it is automatically whining. It’s interesting to know why they decided to “change” (arguably) some of these things (For example, I still don’t remember seeing anywhere that the Enterprise was built in space). You’re right, most of them don’t really matter. Some things — like, say, the Vulcan empire (mentioned in the comics) are interesting to bring up, partially because they might significantly change aspects of the story, or, heck, they might not… And, if there are mistakes, well, it would be awesome to hear somebody in the production acknowledge that, although I know some here would never let them live it down. But attacking change simply because it’s change (Kirk has hazel eyes! There are no pipes in engineering [not true]!)

116. Daoud - April 5, 2012

@91 “We are very pleased!” Thanks Bob for offering that up! Anytime you use one of the ship names that Gene, Gene, D.C., and Herb crafted back in the mid 60′s, an angel earns its wings.

I just hope if you get any flak for mentioning Exeter that they don’t “re-trace-y” it to you! Wouldn’t want them to ‘yangk’ your chain too much… or keep you off all the ‘comm’ lines. (Is the Exeter‘s theme song the theme song from F.A.M.E. perhaps?)

@112 I’ve got a great physics ret-con on Delta Vega. In your “UFP Phonetic Alphabet”, instead of “Victor” for V, which suggests a bit too much combat… “Vega” is used for V. V is the symbol for velocity, which you’ve got when you’re coming out of warp or going into it. So, most Federation systems have a planetoid of sufficient size, approximating Earth-Mars mass which is used to change (delta) velocity using a sort of slingshot effect. (We do the same thing for real by using Jupiter with spacecraft to get a slingshot.) So, most Federation systems with warp traffic have a “delta vega” world. Bah-dah-bing.

Then again, it could be a failed interstellar casino operation… Delta Vega Vulcan, Delta Vega Barrier, Delta Vega Ferenginar…. you know… you could expect to see Chevy Chase soon in “Delta Vegas Vacation”! We all knew Cousin Eddie (and his portrayer, Mr. Quaid) was an alien after all!

117. Phil - April 5, 2012

Just a though, for the on-line investigative type, is it possible to research where Paramount buys it’s domain names from? There might be a clue there for a possible title of the pic…..

118. boborci - April 5, 2012

116. I like that.

119. Phil - April 5, 2012

Delta New Vegas World – loosest slots in the galaxy!! Has a ring to it now….

120. Bird Of Prey - April 5, 2012

@ 5 – The villain is of course Spock’s famous ancestor, Sherlock Holmes (played by Benedict Cumberbatch)! He is teaming up with his ex-archenemy Prof. Moriarty (played by Daniel Davis), who has been brought back to life via advanced TNG-era holo-technology, salvaged from the Narada. ;-) ;-)

121. Azrael - April 5, 2012

@boborci. Hey Bob, I was just looking over the credits listed for you and Alex out of curiosity and I saw a little show called Jack of All Trades on your list. I was not aware you worked on that show, and it was one of my favorites when it was on, its really awesome to know you had a hand in that too.

122. boborci - April 5, 2012

121. Thanks — we were the show runners on that little thing. Fun times!

123. Keachick - rose pinenut (F) - April 5, 2012

#102 – “Spock is grabbing Uhura in the transporter, in the turbolift, but guess what, that isn’t Spock anymore.”

In your dreams, mate, in your dreams. Spock does not grab anyone, nor does he grope. Nor does Lt Uhura do these things. Spock responds to her overtures of affection and comfort by returning an embrace. Very different from what has been described on this board.

Grow up, people!

124. Battle-scarred Sciatica - April 5, 2012

@84 Buzz

I love all Vic and Bobs stuff. Pure mental genius.

One favourite sketch would have to be the live comic relief sketch when they were singing “can’t live; if living is without you” whilst drinking 20 pints. Brilliant! You could see them stumbling around the back of the stage in the background a while after.
There are so many brilliant sketches though.

There should be a USS Reeves and Mortimer in the next flick.

Wife and I just watched ST 2009 again last night.
It’s still a good movie.
One thing that is growing on me is the different development dynamic of the triumvirate compared to TOS.

I love that word….triumvirate. I think I might use it more often…

Peace out, Trek lovers.

Xxxxxxxx

125. Vultan - April 5, 2012

#122

That was a fun show! Any chance of working Bruce Campbell into Trek…? But not as a red shirt. He already died in “Congo.” Don’t need to see that again.

126. Daoud - April 5, 2012

@122,125… Oh to have Bruce Campbell as Koloth…. or Trelane. How “camp” would that be. Rings a “bell” though!
.
Agreed that “Jack of All Trades” was riproaring fun. Sort of a Spongebob for grownups. I love the parodying of Napoleon so much….

127. Landru's cousin, Dandru - April 5, 2012

#99: “Absolute nonsense.”

No. What IS absolute nonsense, however, is your condescending and superior attitude. Lighten up. It’s people like you who give fandom a bad name.

128. Battle-scarred Sciatica - April 5, 2012

I thought the only reason Spock smiled in The Cage was because his character was not fully developed or realized yet.

If Gene would have had his way he would have been red, have fiery ears and have a plate for a stomach which absorbs all known energy.
He would also have kept a female number one but he had already too many rejections from NBC as it was “too cerebral”, lacked adventure and action. NBC disliked the fact of the female second in command and the demonic fella with the pointy ears who would probably offend religious groups.

Hey, that’s what I read anyway!

At least there are different shaped hoops for Bob and co to jump through these days.

Cue those Trekkers that wish to rip apart my comments…..3….2….1….

:)

129. Azrael - April 5, 2012

@128. While Gene may not have really developed Spock’s character at the point of filming The Cage, the footage was used during “The Menagerie” after Spock was established as a logical being, with his smile intact.

130. VZX - April 5, 2012

Bruce Campbell would be a perfect Koloth or Trelane! Great idea! I remember Jack of all Trades and Cleopatra 2525.

Anyway, Daoud, I like your ret-con idea on Delta Vega. But how does it explain how Spock Prime could see the destruction of Vulcan as depicted on screen? I have an idea: this was viewed through the mind-meld which might have a dream-like effect on remembered events, distorting reality a little. Or something.

131. porthoses bitch - April 5, 2012

@85 hadnt heard that….tennant always speaks fondly of his time as a time lord…maybe he was beginning to feel the pressure of typecasting ? The doctor meeting Sherlock would be an awesome thing. The new Dr is pretty cool..but he’s not tennant..watch the eoisodes with the weeping angels great stuff.

132. chris pike - April 5, 2012

#99. SoonerDave – April 5, 2012

Very well said there, my take almost exactly on the 09 film…

133. holly - April 5, 2012

Its true that Cumberbatch spoke to Tennant and then decided not to go for the job. The role can be VERY typecasting and comes with a lot of fan baggage.

134. holly - April 5, 2012

Cumberbatch would be the perfect Doctor when the film version of Dr Who is finally developed. David Yates said he wasnt going to film it until 2015.

135. Battle-scarred Sciatica - April 5, 2012

@129

So was the character Spock fully developed by the time of “The Menagerie”?

I think that there was quite a lot of development yet to be made by that time.

Anyway, I liked the fact he smiled. there has to be some mystery after all.

Oh these are just my opinions. It doesn’t mean I am right.

Keep on Trekkin’

:)

136. Battle-scarred Sciatica - April 5, 2012

@129

you are right he would have been well developed by the time of The Menagerie.

well, whatever. TOS is by far the greatest Trek IMHO and I shall be enjoing both The Cage and WNMHGB tonight.

Luckily I have a wife who enjoys Trek almost as much as I do!

I’m not convinced she would admit to that though. LOL

Anyway, back to STO….

137. Jack - April 5, 2012

Just rereadthe NYT review of Trek ’09. It’s good.

Like I’ve said before, I hope they don’t pay too much heed to our gripes here. Star Trek as a whole isn’t breakable (trying to not be a jerk and mention, say, Voyager). I am hoping though that there’s moments where an elementary/middle/high school/university teacher can point to to illustrate a lesson, or say, see here’s a movie that got x right ;).

138. SpikedCanon - April 5, 2012

Peter Weller is Captain Tracy

139. Vultan - April 5, 2012

Roger Ebert’s review of Trek ’09 isn’t as flattering:

“Star Trek” as a concept has voyaged far beyond science fiction and into the safe waters of space opera, but that doesn’t amaze me. The Gene Roddenberry years, when stories might play with questions of science, ideals or philosophy, have been replaced by stories reduced to loud and colorful action. Like so many franchises, it’s more concerned with repeating a successful formula than going boldly where no “Star Trek” has gone before.”

Right on the money, Mr. Ebert.

140. Azrael - April 5, 2012

@139. Respectfully I dissagree, Mr. Ebert has never given a good review of any Trek film, so for him to pretend that he ever had a positive viewpoint on Trek during the “Roddenberry years” is just a pure fake a** b—- move, and aside from his weird looking plastic face, is enough for me to never listen to him again.

141. Battle-scarred Sciatica - April 5, 2012

@139 Vultan

I hadn’t heard (or read) that review.

A very realistic review I would say.

Although I much enjoyed ST 09 there was nothing the viewers hadn’t really seen before in the Hollywoodised melting pot of sci fi movies.

I suppose as sci fi in TV and movies aren’t quite in the the same stage of infancy as they were in the early 60′s it will take something REALLY special to push that “run of the mill” mark.

I still say something like the Culture novels (or something even more thought provoking) need to be brought to the silver screen.

Unfortunately it’s “bums on seats”, etc.

The Hollywood 2 hour whore machine keeps on churning ‘Em out!

142. Vultan - April 5, 2012

#140

Not so. Go back and look at his reviews of other Trek movies. He likes some, dislikes others, much as fans do. Here’s a couple for example:

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19911206/REVIEWS/905089998/1023

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19861126/REVIEWS/611260301/1023

143. Vultan - April 5, 2012

#140

By the way, you can’t say you “RESPECTFULLY disagree” with someone then say they have a “weird looking plastic face.”

144. JohnnyB807 - April 5, 2012

@BobOrci I have complete faith and confidence that the new Star Trek movie will be chock-full-o-awesome-sauce. Truly. That being said it always makes me chuckle a bit to see how thoroughly everyone supports everyone else. I’d imagine that if any of the cast or crew went to go drop-a-deuce and we asked how it went the answer would still be the same: “They were amazing” , “A brilliant piece of work” , “Such a perfectionist” LOL …

145. NCM - April 5, 2012

@140: Surprised and disappointed you’d make such an extremely distasteful comment–nothing remotely respectable about it.

146. Battle-scarred Sciatica - April 5, 2012

@140

Respectfully, I find your comment quite disrespectful

@144

Your comment is wonderfully put.
You truly are a superb artist! LOL ;)

147. JohnnyB807 - April 5, 2012

@146 You sir are a true scholar and gentleman LOL ;)

148. Azrael - April 5, 2012

@146. Perhaps but it was not directed at anyone here. The only people I was trying to be respectful towards was those here, not Mr. Ebert. Also thanks to a little thing called freedom of speech I can say whatever I want to whomever I want, without having to be concerned for a moment about how they feel about it.

149. Battle-scarred Sciatica - April 5, 2012

@148

That is true enough. The comments section is for comments and there is such a thing as freedom of speech.

There was however an incongruity with your phrasing throughout the comment.

Whether the man had 2 heads, looked like John Merrick or was an Adonis has absolutely no relevance to his written review and can be considered quite insulting.
I feel there is no room for personal insults in any form and on any site.

I find it pays to be respectful to all.
You can still have your comments without personal slights.

Again, this is merely my opinion.

Everyone is welcome to their own.

*drags soap-box back to cupboard under stairs*

Peace out Treksters.

150. Azrael - April 5, 2012

@149. True yourself. I know his look has nothing to do with the review, I just cant get past how bizarre he looks, I will (out of respect for those here) attempt to refrain from commenting on such things here. Peace

151. Battle-scarred Sciatica - April 5, 2012

@150

Fair play, my friend.

152. Jack - April 5, 2012

Ebert keeps moving the target in his Trek reviews — one is too talky, the next isn’t talky enough etc. In his review for Trek 09 (which I wrote him about — he put the email and his response in his movie answer man column) he complained that , really, without saying it, that it wasn’t the sci fi he remembers from his youth — the alien drilling platform (not a space elevator, Roger) should have been held by a cable of elegant fullerenes, the movie handled black holes the wrong way etc, all while ultimateky saying he found the movie enjoyable, greatly entertaining and exhilarating. His beef was that it was space opera, while Roddenberry’s Trek regularly dealt with philosophy and science (except I don’t think it often did) — but Trek really always has been space opera (it may touch on some of those things, but it’s about the people). It ain’t 2001, or Solaris…. or Azimov.

And, yep, I know I’m a little heavy on the side of The-Intellectualism-of-Trek-is-overstated… my real feelings about it are a bit more… uncertain.

153. Jack - April 5, 2012

@148 “Also thanks to a little thing called freedom of speech I can say whatever I want to whomever I want, without having to be concerned for a moment about how they feel about it.”

Yeah, that’s not what freedom of speech actually means.

154. SoonerDave - April 5, 2012

@127

Ahh, yes, dare to have a contrarian opinion that doesn’t join the chorus of sycophantic praise for Trek 09 and you’re “condescending,” and you “give fandom a bad name.” Who, in reality, should lighten up?

I stand by my comments 100%. I am not some myopic loyalist who drools at anything just because it has the words “Star Trek” on it. I can enjoy it, but I can be objective and realize the things that merit criticism. The Spock-Uhura relationship in Trek 09 is absolutely one of those things, because the relationship is demonstrated in a way that betrays the essence of Spock’s character – an essence that made the character worth preserving. Now he’s virtually as hormonal as Kirk.

You think that makes me condescending. The reality is that it makes me objective. If you don’t like that, that’s your prerogative, but to pretend Spock-Uhura relationship, even to the point of Uhura leveraging their relationship to gain her assignment to the Enterprise, (where a conventional description of Spock as “whupped” would be entirely appropriate) is a denial of a huge flaw in this realization of these characters. For heaven’s sake, we’ve turned Uhura from a groundbreaking African-American woman in a major leadership role to one who used sex to get a preferential ship assignment. That’s progress?? That’s authentic??

The notion that we can’t say anything critical of Star Trek without having insults hurled is *precisely* what really DOES give “Trekkies” a bad name. If we can’t be honest about the flaws in these productions, even while we enjoy them, then we’ve taken fandom a huge step backwards, and we all seem like shadowy reflections of folks of every bad, stereotypical fan characterization that’s ever been made.

But what do I know? I’m just a condescending jerk, right? Geez.

155. Jack - April 5, 2012

I wonder if some people get a little protective when they see Bob Orci’s on here.

And, since I continue to be all over the map on my opinion of Roger Ebert’s review — part of why it bugged was because there was truth to it. And just because some previous Treks played it relatively safe, well, what’s wrong with hoping that this one will go “where no Star Trek has gone before”.

The last one’s mission was to reel in an audience and shake off associations of Shatner and 40-year-olds living with mom (and to shake off the last decade of nediocrity). I don’t think it was the travesty some suggest here. But I do think the direction is to go forward and tell a hell of a story, rather than trying to recreate what’s been done.

Ps. Y’all know that Ebert had most of his jaw removed because of cancer, right? He can’t speak, had myriad painful and ultimately unsuccessful reconstructive surgeries, and now wears a prosthetic jaw. As annoyed as I was that Ebert killed my Trek buzz with higher expectations than most reviewers (who just seemed thrilled that it wasn’t bad), I still worship the guy (and often disagree with him). There are few better writers out there….

156. Vultan - April 5, 2012

#154

SoonerDave, you wouldn’t be from Oklahoma, would you?
Just wondering, from your screen name and all…

By the way, you make some excellent points.

157. Vultan - April 5, 2012

#155

I’m all for going forward and doing something new and different, which is why I don’t think it was such a great idea going back and recreating the original series’ characters.

Sure, there’s a certain novelty and fun factor seeing those characters back in action, like any fan production, but by doing so you set yourself up for a continual comparison to a classic series rather than being truly free of all the Trek baggage and telling a great, interesting story.

Strangely enough, by setting it in a new universe they free themselves story-wise, which is great! But by using the original characters they’re locked in a certain pattern of expectations—a creative Kobayashi Maru if there ever was one.

158. dmduncan - April 5, 2012

There are great stories left for the TOS characters to tell. The best is yet to come. Potentially, anyway.

And speaking of reviews. Here’s one of James Cameron’s Titanic that is hilarious. John Gates (Destination Truth, my new favorite show) tweeted it and I retweeted. Have a look.

http://jezebel.com/5898432/i-re+watched-titanic-so-you-dont-have-to-youre-welcome

159. dmduncan - April 5, 2012

John Gates lol! JOSH, not John.

160. dmduncan - April 5, 2012

Aye. That review makes my side hurt.

161. Vultan - April 5, 2012

#158

The thing that irritates me about Titanic is the way they begin nearly every sentence with the other’s name:

“Jack…”
“ROSE…”
“JACK…”
“Rose…”
“Jack… I won’t let go…” [ker-plunk]

162. Battle-scarred Sciatica - April 5, 2012

@158 DM

That was possibly the funniest reviews I have ever read.

Just the subtitle had me in stitches: “I re-watched Titanic just so you don’t have to. You’re Welcome” had me in fits. Brilliant.
A review not for the faint hearted.

James Cameron is a 15year old girl. LOL

Thanks for that.

More please.

:)

163. Red Dead Ryan - April 5, 2012

I like James Cameron as a director. Not everything he does is perfect, but his movies are definitely entertaining. “Titanic”, which I used to love, is probably his most flawed film. I think it could have been about fourty minutes shorter, and the romance was kind of cheesy, though both Kate Winslet and Leonardo DiCaprio were good. The supporting cast was great, and the sequence of the ship sinking as well as the survivors in the water was well done.

JC’s best movies are “The Terminator”, “Terminator 2: Judgement Day”, and “Aliens”. “Avatar” would be next. “True Lies” was good, but I’d put it next to “Titanic” in the pecking order.

James Cameron will be remembered as one of the greatest directors of all time. I just don’t understand the hate that is directed at him.

164. dmduncan - April 5, 2012

@162: That IS the funniest review I have ever read.

@163: Well…this is not hate, Ryan. This is laughter.

I think James Cameron will be remembered as a great technician.

165. Battle-scarred Sciatica - April 5, 2012

@163 RDR

I agree with you about Terminator and Aliens. Great movies.

I didn’t like Avatar at all. Too cheesy. Overated in MY opinion. But that’s just my opinion.

I just suppose people have different tastes.

It would indeed be a boring and dull place if we all liked the same things.

166. Battle-scarred Sciatica - April 5, 2012

Isn’t it almost the 100 year anniversary of the Titanic tragedy?

167. Vultan - April 5, 2012

#164

Agreed. Like George Lucas, Cameron is a great technician, but when it comes to their writing skills… eh, not so good.

168. Red Dead Ryan - April 5, 2012

The director’s edition of “Avatar” is the best version. We get some more background details on Sam Worthington’s character’s background. And we get to see Earth as an over croweded urban sprawl.

BTW, “Avatar” is the best looking movie on Blu Ray right now. Simply spectacular looking.

That, along with the BBC Earth documentaries like “Life” and “Planet Earth”.

169. Red Dead Ryan - April 5, 2012

#167.

You could do worse than Cameron’s writing skills. Though I will say he hasn’t been at the top of his game since T2. “Avatar” is a classic, and one of my favorites, but it is flawed, unlike the near-perfect “Terminator” films and “Aliens”.

170. Red Dead Ryan - April 5, 2012

croweded=crowded

DAMN TYPOS!!!

171. dmduncan - April 5, 2012

Of Cameron’s movies I think the only one I can say I like right now is Aliens.

I almost liked The Abyss — until he slapped a totally cornball ending on the thing.

Re George Lucas. Lucas is NOT a bad writer. Look at his early work. Good stuff there. And you have to always keep in mind that Star Wars was conceived as a children’s type of story. And Star Wars WAS brilliant. At least as much as Raiders of the Lost Ark. Both beautiful pieces of work for their genre. Unforgettable, really.

172. Red Dead Ryan - April 5, 2012

#171.

Just curious if you’ve ever seen “The Clone Wars” cartoon? There’s some pretty good storytelling right there. I think George Lucas learned from some of the criticisms of the prequels. Heck, Jar Jar Binks is even tolerable in the series, unlike in the movies. The animation is top-notch, and the show does a good job in appealing to both kids and adults.

173. dmduncan - April 5, 2012

@172: I saw The Clone Wars, the true cartoon from 2003, not the CGI animated series.

I loved it.

174. BaronByng - April 5, 2012

154. Whoa there. You’re entitled to not like the movie, but I think you’re doing so by judging the movie by unfair criteria. One of the major themes is change – radical change is inflicted across many characters’ backgrounds and lives. *Some* aspects are similar to the characters we knew; other aspects are completely different. Spock definitely has more of a chip on his shoulder and he doesn’t bear it entirely stoically — and you know what, that makes him *more* interesting. If you like Perfect Plastic People you can play with the action figures; real people are flawed, inconsistent, hypocritical even. That is to say, alive.

Spock loses his entire PLANET. That never happened in TOS. Who are we to say how he should react? In fact he behaves as stoically as he *can* given the circumstances, tries to soldier on bravely, where anyone else would have had a meltdown on the spot. He’s been trained to keep his naturally ‘stronger’ emotions in check his whole life – imagine the pressure buildup just underneath his skin at that point (that Kirk later forces to the surface).

One last point: this thing about being “whupped”. Wow. Now there’s a comment that belongs back in the 20th century, not in the 23rd.

Uhura has always been brilliant, mindful, witty, and self-possessed. Spock, the instructor, legitimately didn’t want favoritism to color either of their careers – human nature being what it is, some might not take either of them seriously. (“She only got that position because…” or “He’s an easy A if you treat him right?”) That kind of thing really happens in schools. She decided, damn the torpedoes, I want the career posting I deserve, and got it. Is she being too “uppity” or “out of her place?”

It’s also a plot point – if she was posted to the Farragut she would have been dead along with the entire class of 2258. It’s sheer luck – or in some drafts of the script, ‘history healing itself’ – that is bringing the TOS crew together against all logic ;)

175. Vultan - April 5, 2012

Clone Wars is so-so. Better than the prequel movies. But if memory serves, Lucas is executive producer not writer or director on those. His work seems to fly when he has a rough idea and lets others run with it, such as Lawrence Kasdan and Irvin Kershner doing Empire Strikes Back, but when he’s running the circus, we get Jar-Jar Binks with a numb tongue (among other things).

176. captainkirk - April 5, 2012

Alex Kurtzman doesn’t actually exist. In one of the interviews on the ST 09 dvd when he is busy talking Bob Orci’s mouth is moving slightly, like if AK was a dummy. And he is almost never interviewed alone. This I believe is the first time in several years. This is the real conspiracy.

177. Jack - April 5, 2012

@154. For heaven’s sake, we’ve turned Uhura from a groundbreaking African-American woman in a major leadership role to one who used sex to get a preferential ship assignment. That’s progress?? That’s authentic??

Exactly.

178. Toonloon - April 6, 2012

^ That’s a bit reactionary. It was Spock who brought sex into it by not giving her the assignment she’d earned because of how it might “look”. She was quite right to demand the position she deserved. No pun intended. :)

179. captain_neill - April 6, 2012

I have to admit I think they turned Uhura too much into a bitch in the last movie. Zoe Saldana did a good job in her performance but she did not come across as likeable as Nichelle Nichols to me in the role.

It’s the same with Simon Pegg, fun to watch in the movie but he was not Scotty.

In regards to the next movie I will say that I am looking forward to it, yes there are things Abrams did that as a Trekkie I hated hm doing, a la, destroying Vulcan, changing things, and going more Star Wars with it but I will admit he made a fun movie. I just hope he doesn’t change anything else with this movie.

To be honest I will always prefer the Prime Universe and Shatner and Nimoy will always be the best and only Kirk and Spock to me, but I think I can still enjoy the new movies, although not in same way but I can still enjoy them.

I have my fingers crossed that Star Trek XII might feel more like Trek this time.

180. Buzz Cagney - April 6, 2012

#113 they don’t have an aversion to contact- they just wait 7 years then go at it like, well, someone who has waited 7 years.

It does make me chuckle that some on here seem to think pairing up S and U was some kind of stroke of genius. It was just a lazy and easy thing to do, imo. It would have been far more clever, as I said above, to hint at it. To suggest it. To tease us with it. Are they? Aren’t they?
I guess the guys had a few minutes to fill between the ‘splosions.
Not that I don’t enjoy ‘slosions though. And not that I didn’t enjoy, for the most part, the film. Cos I certainly did.

181. La Reyne d'Epee - April 6, 2012

134 Holly I read there’s a battle brewing between Yates and Moffat, we’ll see if it gets anywhere!

163 RDR I love most things Cameron, for me Titanic is at the bottom in more ways than one. A spectacular piece of cheese.

182. captain_neill - April 6, 2012

I think some decisions made in Star Trek XI were made to make it simply more appealing to the mainstream, hence the love subplot.

183. Soonerdew - April 6, 2012

Vultan, Yes, I’m from Oklahoma. Love it.

@174

Please keep in mind that, overall, I very much LIKED and ENJOYED Trek 09. I really did. Watched it several times, own the BluRay, etc. But I make no pretense that’s its perfect, and make no apology for calling out what I think are clear problems or flaws, and that’s where I with the Spock-Uhura business.

184. Daoud - April 6, 2012

Waitaminute. nuSpock assigned Uhura to another ship because he didn’t want to be accused of favoritism… EVEN THOUGH SHE qualified with highest placement to BE on Enterprise.
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Her pointing out to Spock it would essentially be illogical for him to place her elsewhere was a logical argument, not one based on sex. And she certainly proved her worth in deciphering the Romulan communications, the Klingon 37 ships, the Narada signature, etc.
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Spock didn’t put her on Enterprise because he was having sex with her. He wanted to put her on (Farragut? Yorktown? which was it) because he was in a relationship with her. He put her then on Enterprise in *spite* of the situation.
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There’s no sign beyond a fascination with each other anyway… up to the point where frickin’ Vulcan’s destroyed. That kiss on the transporter platform very well could be the first?? Right, Nyota?
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As for James Cameron, I think he’s a great director. But as a human being, he’s kind of a douchebag. Ask Linda Hamilton and others.

185. Twilight Trek - April 6, 2012

The one thing I really missed in the 2009 movie was the color of TOS. Honestly, I hated ship interior in 2009. TOS enterprise is the best because of how colorful it is. Yeah the 2009 Bridge had some color in it if you look closely but the impression on screen is you pretty much are staring at a mostly white sterile bridge. The camera didn’t capture the color at all. The whiteness and pale blue of the bridge make it feel less like a home and more like a cold doctors waiting room. I”m guessing that will never change in the new movie and that just sucks.

186. Marshall McMellon (inventor of the Marshmellon) - April 6, 2012

@185- Yeah. I agree with the sterile-look issue you bring up. What it really made me think of was a ‘Clean-Room’ at a medical supplies manufacturing plant I once did temp work in. LOL!

187. Boborci - April 6, 2012

144. true. so lets get real. jj was kinda condescening the other day, and Damon was obviosuly ina bad mood. and pine and quinto are so competative it coud destroy the movie ;)

sound better?

188. Ahmed Abdo - April 6, 2012

@187 Boborci, lol, yep that is more like it ;)

btw, can you give us any update on the other major sci-fi that you are producing, Ender’s Game ?

189. Jorg Sacul - April 6, 2012

way back to #130… David Tennant would make a superior Koloth (and Trelane, too). Bruce Campbell would make a great starship captain, like say, Garth. LORD GARTH.

190. Boborci - April 6, 2012

188. Ender’s Game is going great. Everyone is amazing!

i keeeeeed.

seriously, though, we have been shooting in New Orleans. the difficulty is that most of our cast is under 18, so we have less time to shoot with them than we are used to. it means we have to really be well prepared, which luckily, thanks to our AD and Director, we are.

We are making this movie using a lot of new techniques in production that i cant wait to discuss when the time is right.

it is so cool to be with Harrison again. he is hilarious. we were at the kraft services hot dog stand the other day, and he said, “this is a big movie …. we should have Grey Poupon…”

191. Ahmed Abdo - April 6, 2012

@190 Boborci,

Thanks for the update. I honestly can’t wait to see Ender’s Game.

I was more excited when I heard that Harrison Ford will be in the movie,
Mr. Ford is a true legend & I will watch any movie that he is in.

Since the movie is coming in 2013, I think that we will have to wait for a while to see a teaser, correct ?

192. none - April 6, 2012

#179

how is Uhura a btich?

She turned kick down and was mean to Kirk because she was smart enough to know that Kirk was a womaniser and was hitting in her for the purposing of sleeping with her and when she turned him down Kirk starts having sex with her roommate.

Uhura handled Kirk( who is the self proclaimed ladies man) the way any decent intelligent woman will do

Kirk is the bitch for constantly harassing her and trying to get her into bed.

Uhura was a 3 dimensional character in the 09 film because she showed different sides of her character

She was snobby to Kirk

Affectionately loving and emotional to spock.

She was strong headed and determined to get a well deserved place on the enterprise. A place she earned for being a great student regardless of her personal relationship with a teacher.

.Remember the scene when Spock beats Kirk up? she was in tears and when he left however she continued to assist her crew in taking down Nero.

NuUhura is one hell of a woman. she is no bella swan from twilight neither is she a padme amediela from star wars who needs a man to survive.

193. Jack - April 6, 2012

Wow, Ford and Viola Davis. Good cast.

194. Vultan - April 6, 2012

#183 Soonerdew

Cool. So am I.
Keep on Trekkin’.

195. treksturbation - April 6, 2012

I had two reactions to Star trek 2009:

*yawn* and zzzzzzzzzzzz………

196. Daoud - April 6, 2012

@195: and you come here to Trekmovie to erm… excite us with that yawn and snore?

@192: I think Uhura in time will have nothing but respect for Kirk. He is earning it “scene by scene”. I can’t imagine Bob and Alex and Damon missing having an “arc” across the three film sequence of Uhura becoming Kirk’s most loyal officer…. She should end up in the same frame of mind as Uhura in Star Trek III. That sequence with Mr. Adventure… Nichelle is so perfect in that sequence.

@Bob: when in New Orleans, be sure to get to the Farmer’s Market in the French Market complex http://www.frenchmarket.org/
(if you’re not already using it for some shots….)
It’s a great place to be around lunchtime!

197. Red Dead Ryan - April 6, 2012

Yeah, the two descriptions on this site used for Uhura that really piss me off are “bitch” and “ho”. I mean, one can disagree with how the character of Uhura was written (like I do, at least in regards to the romance) but to use words like “ho” and “bitch” really reeks of sexism and plain old ignorance. Like someone upthread said, if someone in the last movie was acting like a “bitch” and a “ho”, it was Kirk, who not only used Gaila, but tried to get Uhura to sleep with him.

#195.

Luckily, you have the option of continuing your “treksturbation” in your mother’s basement while the rest of us enjoy the sequel at the theatre a year from now.

198. Daoud - April 6, 2012

@197…. Well, Gaila might have been using Kirk too. ;)
It’s not easy being green!

But seriously… referring to Uhura in such terms as some people are doing is really offensive. And just because Kirk flirted with Uhura in a bar doesn’t mean he was trying to get horizontal with her. Some people just like to flirt, and both versions of Kirk seem to have that in common. Jim Kirk in this universe is even more confused, with his father dying at his birth, and his mother off in space gallivanting between the stars during much of his childhood. And compound that with big brother issues. Heck, there’s no reason Cumberbatch’s character couldn’t be Jim’s older brother… well, except for the fact George Samuel Kirk, Jr. has just turned up in the midquel comic series Bob’s shepherding.

199. dmduncan - April 6, 2012

175. Vultan – April 5, 2012

I don’t know WHY some people think The Empire Strikes Back is better than Star Wars. I could not disagree more vehemently. TESB was a good followup to a groundbreaking movie, but it failed to evoke powerful emotions in the same way in me. Star Wars was able to capture the FEELING to me of what it would be like being this farm boy on a desert planet who becomes the savior of the rebellion and the hope of the future.

It’s rare when a film does that, and does it so well.

200. Keachick - rose pinenut (F) - April 6, 2012

#198 – Thank you. Men and women flirt with each other all the time and bars tend to provide the best circumstances for that to happen. In fact, cadet Uhura appeared to be enjoying the banter she and Kirk had going. It all turned to “custard” when the four burly redshirts interfered.

The other aspect was that we saw Kirk with Gaila (Gaila seemed more than willing) THREE YEARS LATER after the bar incident. Kirk appeared not to know that Gaila was sharing the room with Uhura. It is likely that Gaila and Kirk may have used his room on other occasions. There was no indication how long he and Gaila had been together nor the nature of the relationship, except that Gaila had formed some kind of emotional attachment. We never got to hear how Kirk felt, so it is all (mean-spirited) projection on the part of posters here as to what and how Kirk felt and behaved.

(I ignore deleted scenes as being irrelevant to the main story and characterisation)

Kirk was no more a bitch/ho than Uhura was. They are both healthy, focused, well intentioned younger people with emotional and physical needs just like any other human being.

201. dmduncan - April 6, 2012

I wonder why they are filming Ender’s Game in La instead of LA?

202. Keachick - rose pinenut (F) - April 6, 2012

#187 – Hang on, Bob. The rumours circulating were that Quinto and Urban had a quarrel with Quinto storming off set in a huff or was it a rage? Now our Quinto/Spock is dissing his “captain” Pine/Kirk as well. What to do?…:)

However, it does sound like the famous triumvirate are getting stuff sorted just fine?!…;) I don’t know whose idea it was to have Vulcan destroyed, but one or more of you guys need to have a good long chat with the Keachick!

The way I see it – clearly Spock needs to take a sabbatical and the character played by Alice Eve needs to be his temporary replacement as first officer. A difference of opinion will ensue between her and Kirk, with her finally walking out on him from his private *ready room*(?), saying the words, “Screw you” to which he will almost instantaneously reply, “Now that I could do”.

Make it so, Bob!

203. Vultan - April 6, 2012

#199

I enjoy them both for different reasons, but I think Empire is placed higher because of its darker tone and twist ending—that’s unfortunately no longer a twist for anybody because the line has become a catchphrase.

Lucas did direct the original; there’s no doubt about that. But he did get a lot of help with the script, mostly from Gloria Katz and Willard Huyck.

Apparently, the prequel trilogy was all Lucas. And it shows.

204. OMNI - April 6, 2012

I’ll bite. The bad guy is Captain Ron Tracy of the USS Exeter, and that would explain the Starfleet uniforms on the bad guys.

205. boborci - April 6, 2012

201. Tax breaks! Shooting Los A has gotten so expensive!

206. Ahmed Abdo - April 6, 2012

@205. Boborci,

I guess that is why lot of American movies & TV shows are shooting in Vancouver, Canada

207. Daoud - April 6, 2012

@205. Bob: And.. .the food’s hella better, and the music is danceable.

@204. OMNI, Ron’s bad in every universe it seems! :) Of course, in Treklit, OMNI’s a bad guy, too! :)

@203. Vultan, that Empire can’t stand alone is its problem. Star Wars is the superior intellect, as you don’t need any prequels or sequels to completely enjoy it. Empire makes no sense without Star Wars, and the minor chord at the end isn’t resolved until the coda of Re{turn|venge} of the Jedi.

@202. Well, if Alice Eve is this universe’s Carol Marcus… he already may have in this universe, too! But I have this sneaky feeling that Bob having Dr. Elizabeth Dehner *not* get on board in the comic series midquel is a major major clue. You know… we *NEVER* heard officially the name of Leonard McCoy’s wife…. you don’t think…. oh boy…. why have we in 40plus years never considered that Dehner could be McCoy’s ex-wife?

@200 Keachick, that’s exactly what I thought. Sometimes folks seem to think a movie takes place in exactly an equal increment to screen time. Nutty, I say. Kirk on a motorcycle at a bar near Riverside, Iowa is a long way away from Kirk as a cadet with three years under his bio-belt. Kirk’s also quite a bit older than Uhura. That colors the give-and-take a bit too, I imagine. We still have nothing on what Kirk did from say about age 17 to age 22 in this universe. I’ve always liked the thought of nuKirk having spent a 4 year tour in the merchant marine service as an Able Spaceman… sorta like O’Brien in TNG.

208. Vultan - April 6, 2012

#207

Uh, yeah… and a ham sandwich isn’t a ham sandwich without the ham. So what?

209. Craiger - April 6, 2012

Bob are you and Alex interested in doing either a live action or animated Trek series? Or would either of those be too expensive right now to do? I wonder if a new Trek TV series can’t be done until the economy improves?

210. Jack - April 6, 2012

I’ve never read the book, partially because I’d only heard of OSC’s opinions of gays….

hmmmm.

211. dmduncan - April 6, 2012

205: Very interested to know more about the new production techniques you mentioned.

212. dmduncan - April 6, 2012

I loved Ender’s Game. Great book. It isn’t a simplistic propaganda piece for anything, so nobody should let their opinion of Card’s views outside the book deter them from reading the book.

213. Keachick - rose pinenut (F) - April 6, 2012

Forgive my ignorance – but what/where is “La”? And who is “OSC”?

I always thought that Lt Uhura was not that much younger than James Kirk, especially in this alternate universe. Spock is older than both of them.

214. dmduncan - April 6, 2012

213

La = Louisiana
OSC = Orson Scott Card, author of Ender’s Game.

215. Red Dead Ryan - April 6, 2012

“The Empire Strikes Back” is the best of the bunch because it gives the characters more depth, the visual and special effects were better, space itself was depicted on a bigger scale, and there were a number of twists and turns in the storyline, including Han and Leia’s romance, and Darth Vader’s revelation that he is the father of Luke Skywalker. We also saw our heroes, Luke in particular, struggle to greatness. “A New Hope” was epic. “The Empire Strikes Back” is even more epic.

216. Craiger - April 6, 2012

RDR, what about ROTJ?

217. Red Dead Ryan - April 6, 2012

I like “Return Of The Jedi”. It was a fitting end to the saga. I know a lot of folks have a problem with the Ewoks, but I’ve never had a problem with them. Sure, they look like George Lucas teddy bears, but they showed a lot of resolve, courage, and resourcefulness in helping to defeat the Empire.

218. Vultan - April 6, 2012

I like Return of the Jedi.
Probably the best episode The Muppet Show ever did.

219. Red Dead Ryan - April 6, 2012

Yeah, some of the aliens in Jabba’s Palace looked like they were created by Jim Henson.

220. Jack - April 6, 2012

212. I’ll check it out.

214. Thanks! I abbreviated his name because I wasn’t sure if it was hyphenated and was too lazy to check).

217. I still can’t call Star Wars “A New Hope,” just Star Wars, or “The First One” :)

I still like Jedi – but the characters, other than Luke, were kind of secondary to what was going on (& I still cringe every time I hear his super-serious “I am a Jedi” voice).

Gosh, I hope it’s not Captain Tracey… Never liked that episode.

221. Seany-Wan - April 6, 2012

@boborci – In honor of the first Star Trek film, will there be any engineer’s named Cleary on board? Yes, it’s my last name and I’m being shameless…

222. dmduncan - April 6, 2012

@215: Not for me. The second best. Maybe. If the characters have more depth it’s only because it’s an additional episode where we get to see some more of them doing and acting different ways, not because it was scene for scene an improved movie in character development compared to the original.

TESB just felt like an action movie, up until the end when Vader revealed himself. Then I felt what it was like to be in Luke’s place. But by then the movie was over — whereas Star Wars managed to sustain that experience for me over its duration.

So I guess TESB really lacked the focus of a main point of view and, through that, the feeling of how it was to have that point of view, which in the first movie belonged to Luke Skywalker, and which also enabled it to convey the heart and soul of one of its main characters.

TESB never duplicated that for me for any of its characters. Because TESB was bigger, it was also more scattered, and that was a weakness compared to the first movie. And all the WOW! of SPFX and spaceships doesn’t replace for me the experience of connecting to that world through one, or several, of its characters.

TESB, for all its SPFX and plot twists lacked something more elemental — and more important.

So in my book, the sequels got progressively weaker. Although I do not dislike ANY of the Star Wars movies including the newer ones which I still think have much to recommend them. Or, to paraphrase Billy Beane:

There’s Star Wars, then there’s The Empire Strikes Back, then there’s fifty feet of crap, and then there’s James Cameron.

223. NCM - April 6, 2012

Looking forward to Ender’s Game, and to boborci sharing more details about that movie–I know almost nothing about it. Loved the book, but read it so long ago, the story will be almost new to me.

224. Jack - April 6, 2012

223. Agreed. I never fully understood the “best of the series” votes for Empire. I got wher they were coming from, I think, but I didn’t agree. I still like the first the best. I watched Empire recently for the first time in years, and found myself fighting not to fast forward through the battle of Hoth, the chase of the Falcon and, well, even some of that light saber battle with Vader. All the talk that it was darker (yes, Vader’s Lukes father, he’ll be tested, etc.) — meh. And, yeah, I wanted to be Luke in the first one (I was 7) and, yeah, in the next two I wasn’t really thrilled with the guy. He seemed like a different character — and it wasn’t just the shorter hair and the scars.

Scattered, I think, is exactly the right word for it.

The third one was family-movie fun. It looked fantastic. The pace was great. It tied up all the loose ends. It was a fantastic ride. In that way, it reminds me a little of Trek 2009.

The characters weren’t really human beings anymore (Han, especially, was just a guy with lines), and, you’re right, there was no connecting to them.

225. Jack - April 6, 2012

Yet another PS: I’m a big fan of Hanlen’s Trek reviews:

TOS: http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/tvshow/star-trek,62/

TNG: http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/tvshow/star-trek-the-next-generation,102/

226. Vultan - April 6, 2012

The problem with Star Wars for me is the whole Jedi thing—just never interested me that much. I’d rather watch three movies about the scoundrel space pirate who shoots first, Han Solo. Seemed a more interesting character than a farm boy with a sword.

Space Balls got it right.

227. dmduncan - April 6, 2012

I think TESB is where the emphasis on cool machines, strange creatures, and alien landscapes took over, whereas in Star Wars those were all just things that were wrapped around the story of this kids AMAZING adventure.

Remember, people thought Lucas would fail and that Star Wars would bomb. Nobody had any idea of the phenomenon that Star Wars would become.

Afterwards I think the wrong elements of the first movie started getting singled out as the cause of the movie’s success and amplified for the sequels. And so the characters became LESS interesting (Luke Skywalker in particular) and we started getting a cinematic showroom for next year’s Christmas toys.

Every Star Wars movie has flashes of greatness. But none, in my view, managed to be so utterly brilliant as that first movie. Just remember Alec Guinness! His brief but wonderful performance CONVINCED me of the reality of the galaxy beyond Tattooine that he once lived in as a great Jedi Knight. It was the greatest special effect of them all, because it made me use my imagination.

You know? In a movie that was creating groundbreaking special effects to depict a galaxy of strange worlds, it had the genius to still tell you to USE YOUR IMAGINATION!

228. Vultan - April 6, 2012

#227

That’s true. I remember watching the original as a kid and hearing Guinness casually mention things like the “Clone Wars” and wondering what that was. And then there was his wonderful, spiritual description of the Force. It really made you believe there were greater things out there….

And then we got Roger-Roger, Yippee and Midichlorians. Yep. Way to let the air out of a balloon, George.

Can we have the mystery back?

229. Ahmed Abdo - April 6, 2012

#228

Yeah, someone else, other than Lucas, should try bringing the early mystery & magic back to the Star Wars universe.

I still hope for a new trilogy that will bring these sense of wonder.

It is kinda sad that not many space based movies or TV series are being made these days.

230. Thomas - April 7, 2012

Since the demise of Star Trek: The Experience, many people have suggested the idea of building a life-sized Starship Enterprise in Las Vegas or some such location, thinking it would be an incredible attraction. Well, Ain’t It Cool News has a story about how such an attraction was indeed planned (and feasibly designed) for Las Vegas, and why exactly it didn’t happen:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/54805

231. VZX - April 7, 2012

It’s neat how the topic of Star Wars got onto a Trek website.

I have always like the first Star Wars movie far more than any other. It was just a great adventure movie. It was a very straight-forward, Joseph Campbell hero’s journey story. The movie was just lightning in a bottle accident.

The Empire Strikes Back really just fleshed out the story and characters more, though. I think that quality-wise it is the better movie between the two, I just prefer the first one. But the entire Yoda and Luke scenes were magic. Return of the Jedi was a kids’ movie.

The prequels suffer from far too many things. But, like someone said, the prequels had no identifiable ship like the Millennium Falcon and no scoundrel like Han Solo. That was their first mistake among many.

232. Daoud - April 7, 2012

BENEDICT CUMBERBATCH IS PLAYING A JEDI!!!!
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See, makes perfect sense. It was time to combine the universes anyway. That explains his surviving a Vulcan Neck Pinch with his Jedi Mind Tricks!
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Cool idea for an Epic Rap Battle Of History… Vulcan Mind Meld v. Jedi Mind Trick.
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Or not.
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@218. You have a problem with puppetry? Can’t wait to hear what you thought of Yoda. Or Rygel in Farscape. Unfortunately, the Screen Actors Guild doesn’t have many aliens available, so we have to make do.

@DMD. Piling on James Cameron is such fun! I like the “Terminator Rule”: The number of terminator movies must keep pace with the number of Cameron wives. Oh, and my favorite fan edit of Titanic is the one that completely removes Jack and Diane (ok, Rose) from the film except for a few scenes and focuses on Victor Garber’s character. (But keeping Jack dying even though there are many more pieces of flotsam around.)

@Keachick. LA has a lot of in-jokes in the US. Sure, there’s Los Angeles and Louisiana, but there’s also “Lower Alabama”. And some folk in Arkansas will kid that Louisiana is just “Lower Arkansas” and that’s why Louisiana’s abbreviated LA. I don’t know if there’s a joking or kidding rivalry between North Island and South Island among Ennzedders, you’ll have to tell us!

@231. Someday I hope George Lucas re-edits the Prequels. He can replace the ghetto talk of Jar Jar with “smooth talkin’ Billy Dee Williams” using his “hittin’ on Leia Lando voice”.

Since I was older than most of you when ESB came out, my key problem is that I hear Miss Piggy speaking when Yoda speaks. Frank Oz is great… but…. he’s not perfect.

233. Jack - April 7, 2012

233. I hear Grover. :)

234. dmduncan - April 7, 2012

Amazingly, nobody seems to have done a Hitler rant redub from the Downfall movie regarding James Cameron’s career.

(OR one where Hitler is informed that JJ chose not to put Shatner in the first Star Trek movie. (And then ANOTHER one where Hitler is informed that Shatner won’t be in the sequel either!))

235. Keachick - rose pinenut (F) - April 7, 2012

#232 – People from Auckland get called JAFA by people traditionally living just south of the Bombay Hills, although with boundaries changes recently made, my sister now lives in Waikato Province, not Auckland Province anymore. The South Island is called the Mainland. I’m not sure how it got the name. The South Island is slightly bigger than the North Island.

JAFA means Just Another F*cking Aucklander… I remember reading an article which stated that the *problem* with Auckland is that it is a really attractive city/province to be in. It is also home to about a quarter of NZ’s entire population. I think that about two-thirds of the population lives in the North Island. Yes, there is some joking rivalry that goes on, although sometimes the Mainlanders can get a bit nasty with it. It is to do with economics – Auckland is wealthier (people – business and industry), but most of the power that runs NZ comes from the South Island’s hydrodams…

Auckland is as much a city of trees as it is of large modern buildings, industrial estates, residential homes and people. Trees/plants from virtually all corners of the globe do well here, even the big Arizona type desert cacti. Who knew? Always thought Auckland would be too wet/damp/humid and not hot enough for such plants to survive, but I can personally attest to the opposite. The pair stand at twice the height of our house and still regularly flower and fruit.

OMG – where was I? (sorry for the ramble)

236. Harry Ballz - April 7, 2012

Keachick

you remind me of the story….the businessman is having a drink with friends on the dock, next to where his yacht is moored. One friend points at the name on the back of the yacht and asks, “why did you call your yacht JAFTICA?”

The businessman answers, “simple, it’s an acronym for ‘just another f*cking toy I can’t afford!’”

237. Trek Lady - April 7, 2012

@192 “Uhura handled Kirk( who is the self proclaimed ladies man) the way any decent intelligent woman will do”

Sorry but as a “decent, intelligent woman,” I would never need to lower myself to using insults about having sex with farm animals to handle any man…

Just saying.

238. Battle-scarred Sciatica - April 7, 2012

@232

As you are mentioning Benigeserit Cumblehatch and Star Wars together because I was watching Star Wars just yesterday and if you look carefully at the Cantina scene I am sure he is standing there smoking a pipe at the bar as AG is busy cutting that geezers arm off.

Now how the buggery bollocks did he manage that?

Over to the JAFA’s (weren’t they the symbiotic hosts for the young of the Go’ould in Stargate SG1? LOL :)

Mainlander, out!

239. Keachick - rose pinenut (F) - April 7, 2012

#238 – They were the Jafar in Stargate SG1.

JAFA has been around for about 30 years – these Mainlanders have no respect…:)

I agree with you, Trek Lady. Uhura referring to Kirk as having sex with farm animals was something I’ve had to get used to because when I first heard the comment, I was a little amused but more offended. Up until then, it was all good natured banter and (sexual) innuendo, but mentioning bestiality took it “below the belt” – a comment that was definitely not called for in the circumstances shown in that particular scene. It was an “Oh, what?” moment. What I did like was the way Kirk responded, despite the fact that she was being downright offensive to him in a way that he had not been to her.

Curiously, some parallels can be seen in This Means War where FDR Foster (played again by Chris Pine) gets projected on and, as a result, insulted by Lauren. Women have often been stereotyped by men in negative and unflattering ways for a while now. I guess some feel that it is now a woman’s turn to do similar to an unsuspecting male. Tit for tat stuff, I guess…UGH!!!

240. Battle-scarred Sciatica - April 7, 2012

@239

Hee-hee-hee.

I can be quite disrespectful when needed…LOL ;)

Good ol’ good natured banter. You can’t beat it!

241. Keachick - rose pinenut (F) - April 7, 2012

While we are on the subject of the notion of Kirk being a self-proclaimed ladies man, where in all of Star Trek did Kirk ever make such a (personal) statement? He has often proclaimed himself as being the Captain of the Enterprise, as being representative of Starfleet and the Federation, but I cannot recall any place where he has said or really insinuated that of himself. Just because a young Kirk says “Hello, ladies” when he sees other female cadets walking past does not maketh a “ladies’ man” in the way I infer most people, including myself, understand the term.

If indeed Kirk is known as the ladies’ man, it is more surely because he has been called that by others. In order to be a genuine ladies’ man, I would think that he would need to have what attracts a good many women to him and that would tend to go beyond just being good looking. He can only be a so-called ladies’ man because women let him be that. Does that make him/her/them sluts or whatever other derogative labels that people love to give others? Frankly, No, not necessarily so at all!

There has never been any suggestion, at any point in his life before or after joining Starfleet, that Kirk has been accused of any kind of sexual assault. In other words, Kirk seems to understand what “No” means and accepts it.

Perhaps, this may be one of the reasons why he is/has always been “my captain”.

242. Keachick - rose pinenut (F) - April 7, 2012

Message to Bad Robot – Bob Orci…

My younger son has just bought the entire first season of Fringe on DVD. I did not realise just how good the programme is, especially when I can now watch it uninterrupted by constant advertising and/or it being screened fairly late when I am tired. He hopes to get the entire collection of Fringe episodes.

Just thought I would tell you. Thanks for making a really good television series. Very cool.

243. Jack - April 7, 2012

237. …who’s drunkenly hitting on you, repeatedly in a bar?

Actually, it is kind of not-so-ideal-version-of-starfleet-like for the cadets/officers to be treating the locals with general disdain for just being local. But, it’s probably exactly what would happen.

242. It’s a good show.

244. Azrael - April 7, 2012

@ 239. Sorry Kea but Jaffar is on Alladin. On SG-1 they were indeed called the Jaffa.

245. Jack - April 7, 2012

This falls into “because it was written that way” territory, but Trek ’09 is on TV now, and, yeah, I know red shirt/suit and all, but I’m still wondering why Olson is written/played as such a moron. THIS is the guy Pike/Starfleet picked as Chief Engineer of their “newest flagship”?

We’d mentioned Ebert’s reviews earlier, and he doesn’t have a lot of patience for “because it was written that way” explanations, it’s hard to tell if he’s deliberately missing the point or if he just didn’t pay attention (I like to think it’s the former) — such as, blink and you’ll miss it explanations of why heroes are using swords/fists instead of rayguns (see his review of John Carter), or why the transporter wasn’t working here, why communications were out etc. — some times he’s a little unforgiving. But it’s a good reminder to check one’s settings on one’s Trek rationalizer.

Found this on a Trek fan site while googling random nonsense earlier. Many similar lists exist out there (not to mention the pretty fantastic TV Tropes). But this one is fannish, short and Trekky:

http://www.fastcopyinc.com/orionpress/articles/common_story_flaws.htm

246. Keachick - rose pinenut (F) - April 7, 2012

#244 I am a JAFA, not Jaffa. Come to think of it, so is Karl Bones McCoy Urban as well…LOL It’s all in the spelling, as in – canon is not a cannon. …

247. Jack - April 7, 2012

And, for all my gripes, it’s still a hell of a thrilling movie. The bit where the Enterprise comes in at the end, guns blazing, the phaser fight on the Narada (even though the shots started about a full second too late after they beamed in :) )…

248. none - April 8, 2012

241

Kirk has a reputation with the ladies and it is something he takes pride in. In 09 film which is roughly about 110 minutes Kirk flirted with roughly about 4 women including galia and uhura.

It is quite obuvous from galia’s behaviour and Uhura telling him to leave their room that it was not the first time that Kirk has been caught in the women’s dormitory.

lastly Kirk saw Uhura as a challenge and that is one of the characteristic that man who love to shameless chase women have…N krik is definitely that character.

When most people saw the trailer, everyone including myself all assumed that Kirk was having sex with uhura although we could not clearly see there faces.

The fact that we all assumed it was kirk/uhura in bed without even seeing the film first goes to show how we judged Kirk character subconsciously

249. Trek Lady - April 8, 2012

248 “The fact that we all assumed it was kirk/uhura in bed without even seeing the film first goes to show how we judged Kirk character subconsciously”

And that you were subject to preconceived notions. :)

250. none - April 8, 2012

249 nope

just going by a person’s reputation

251. Trek Lady - April 8, 2012

250 Um… judging a person based upon their reputation *IS* applying preconceived notions, yes?

252. P Technobabble - April 8, 2012

Just back from a fabulous time in Nashville (!) Think I saw Kirk honky-tonkin’. Came out of each bar with a different lady.

253. Red Dead Ryan - April 8, 2012

Engineer Olsen was of those morons you’d picture seeing on an episode of Spike’s “1000 Ways To Die”.

254. Azrael - April 8, 2012

@251. Kirk has always, always been a womanizer, where do you think all the jokes about Tim Allen’s character on Galaxy Quest came from?

255. none - April 8, 2012

254 you are so right…there is always the phrase among nerds that the only womanin the galaxy that Kirk has not hit on yet is princess leia from star wars.

I think that show Kirk reputation with women.

256. Keachick - rose pinenut (F) - April 8, 2012

What does “womanizer” mean and is there a female version and what is her name?

Having a “reputation” does not always make a fact.

257. Red Dead Ryan - April 8, 2012

#256.

“Womanizer” means a sex-addicted male who cannot keep “it” in his pants because he likes to bang every hot chick in site.

A female equivalent is “slut”, “whore”, “ho”.

258. Red Dead Ryan - April 8, 2012

site=sight

DAMN TYPOS!!!

259. Battle-scarred Sciatica - April 8, 2012

@245

thanks for the link Jack.

i do enjoy this kind of stuff.

it just makes you remember that in the end its all just story telling!

its just how you tell it.

also: at the very end of the page it has the TOS Enterprise port decal which i am having as a tattoo for my 40th birthday on Wednesday! If only you knew how long it has taken me to find the right images for that decal.

Phew-ee!

260. Azrael - April 8, 2012

@257. I might not go that far in my definition, but then again even when Kirk was hobbling along leaning on McCoy after saying “I think I’m leaking” he kept trying to turn and follow various women who passed them. Also his reaction when Galia said “Jim, I think I love you.” goes to this point as well, most guys or girls (AFAIK) don’t respond to that kind of statement with “That is so weird”, at least not while still in the bed with the person.

Other fictional characters that I feel approach Kirk level prowess with women are:

Arthur “The Fonz” Fonzerelli (Happy Days)
Dan Fielding (Night Court)
Dr. Robert Chase (House M.D.)

261. Trek Lady - April 8, 2012

@251. Kirk has always, always been a womanizer, where do you think all the jokes about Tim Allen’s character on Galaxy Quest came from?”

I never said a thing about Kirk being a womanizer or not. I said people who assumed he was banging Uhura upon seeing the trailer were judging him based upon their preconceived notions – those preconceived notions result from his “reputation” as a womanizer, which you admit to using to form your opinion.

I haven’t suggested anything you haven’t admitted to yourself, so I am not sure what the issue is.

I personally would call Kirk a “ladies man” as opposed to a womanizer, but his “way with the ladies” was actually one of the things that always bothered me about his character. However, that was considered to be indicative of a classic “hero” at the time the show was filmed, so like the skimpy female costumes, I kind of have to give it a pass.

262. Keachick - rose pinenut (F) - April 8, 2012

I actually think that Kirk was able to keep it in his pants more often than not.

Whore/ho is another word for prostitute, I believe, as in a female who charges for sexual services. As far as we know, Kirk never charged for his sexual liaisons, so therefore whore and ho are inappropriate terms for the female equivalent of James Kirk.

Slut actually used to mean untidy, unkempt woman in the manner in which she dressed and kept house. The sexual aspect came later but somehow has stuck. Sluttiness, I suspect, can take within many a monogamous relationship.

It could be that who Kirk is, is someone who appreciates womankind in varying degrees depending on the individual (mental, emotional, physical, spiritual), along with her inherent sexuality and makes the most of any opportunity to experience intimacy with a consenting like-minded woman. Now that is how I see and appreciate him.

263. Red Dead Ryan - April 8, 2012

#260.

Don’t forget about the ultimate man-whore, James Bond.

264. Azrael - April 8, 2012

@262. The term whore is used a bit more widely in common speech here in the US, as an example there is an episode of South Park called “Stupid Spoiled Whore Video Playset” which takes a hard run at Paris Hilton, and AFAIK she has never actually been paid to have sex. That is just one example.

Concerning Kirk, calling him a man-whore is not meant as a slight of any kind, I refer to my best friend as a man-whore regularly because he fits the title as I use it. He has an endless succession of girlfriends with no real intention of settling down, and he is not good at monogamy, at all. He is a great guy and a very loyal friend but these are the facts of his life, and even he calls himself a man-whore at times. He goes a bit farther than Kirk IMO, but he doesn’t have the same level of “aesthetic quality” to his conquests if you follow me.

@263.

Lol, also Tony Stark (as my brother recently said “Tony is actually the playboy that Bruce Wayne pretends to be”). The guy from Good Luck Chuck qualifies also.

265. Thomas hathawy Watson jr - April 9, 2012

I will hold my opinion until the movie is released. I have seen this before. People expecting the second one to be better than the one before it. Star Trek is an impossible endeavor, where the sequel albeit probably good. May not be able to live up to the first. Each director has their own interpretation, of said vehicle. They miss the core of it’s essence. Gene Roddenberry said it best when he first pitched the idea to the studio big wigs A wagon train through the heavens. People like to give it some social event when all it was was a ship filled with life forms seeking and finding adventures through out the galaxy. It was fun. We’ve screwed it up so much with social messages that we have forgotten it is nothing more than Adventure.. Romance..

266. Basement Blogger - April 9, 2012

Thomas hatawy Watson jr. says “We’ve screwed it up so much with social messages that we have forgotten it is nothing more than Adventure.. Romance.” (265)

That’s not correct. It wasn’t the audience that said there were social messages. Nichelle Nichols (Uhura) got Gene Roddenberry to admit that he was doing “morality plays.” Link to clip from PBS Pioneers of Television.

Second, Roddenberry wanted a grand entertainment but he also wanted a series that had substance. See letter by Gene defending “The Cage.” TrekMovie story below.

Third, there were multiple episodes throughout the years that were clearly metaphors for what was going on in society. Let’s just use TOS for examples?

1. Let Be Your Last Battlefield. Social commentary- Race

2. The Devil in the Dark. Social commentary- Tolerance

3. A Taste of Armeggedon. Social commentary- War

4. The Doomsday Machine. Social commentary- Arms control

5. A Private Little War. Social commentary- The Viet Nam War

6. The Omega Glory- Social commentrary- The Cold War;

Conclusion. Yeah, Gene Roddenberry wanted grand entertainment. But he wanted a science fiction show that had substance. As Leonard Nimoy says often, Star Trek worked on many levels. As a child, we enjoy it for its adventure. As we got older, we found out the show had something important to say. Link. Video showing the 1973 New York Trek Convention. Check out science fiction writer Issac Asimov’s comments saying the show was more than just adventure but about social commentary Trek writer D.C. Fontana says Trek had shows about social commentary. (4:00 minutes in the video) Check out Nimoy’s comments at 5:40.

1. Link. Video clip from TrekMovie.com. Nichelle Nichols says Roddenberry told her he was making morality plays.
http://vimeo.com/18926725

2. Link. TrekMovie story. Roddenberry defends “The Cage” and noting he wanted a show with substance.

http://trekmovie.com/2010/11/30/letter-of-note-gene-roddenberry-defends-star-trek-the-cage-pilot/

3, Trekmovie story with video from 1973 New York convention.

http://trekmovie.com/2011/03/05/video-of-the-day-report-from-1973-star-trek-convention/

267. P Technobabble - April 9, 2012

Always wished Asimov had written a Trek episode. Along with all the other great ones of the time — Heinlein, Dickson, Scheckley, Leinster, etc.

I recall several writers — Silverberg and Farmer come to mind — who pitched for the first movie. Would’ve been interesting to see what some of these guys would have come up with.

268. Battle-scarred Sciatica - April 10, 2012

@267

I agree. If only Asimov had written a Trek episode (or any of the other greats).

Theodore Sturgeon did well though.
If you haven’t read his work, check out More Than Human – an excellent story and most probably much inspiration for Julian May and her Pliocene Exile and Galactic Milieu novels which (to me) are still possibly the greatest set of well put together science-fiction books ever written…

…Oh shit I wish I had never said that….

…Now I’m in for it…

269. Nick - April 11, 2012

I just hope that I don’t have to put up with JJ’s love of “light flares” this time around. And turn down the lights on the Bridge – I can’t see anything past the glare. LOL

270. ST fan - April 11, 2012

@ 269
I don’t agree, I loved the light flares! they made the movie look more real. I mean, you would probably see those lights in real life right? That’s what I love about it. JJ, keep the lights! another thing that i love about it is that JJ uses a lot of props and stuff instead of just using the computer. It actually looks real unlike the star wars prequels, when almost the entire movie is made out of computer. Can’t wait! 13 months and 6 days to go!

271. Jack - April 11, 2012

Borrowing from a year-old slideshow over at Entertainment Weekly, I’m hoping they consider just not referencing the first movie at all, say like Batman Begins, Star Trek II, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.

The “what happened to you wife” stuff was the weakest part of MI:4, but they handled it a lot better than they could have and it didn’t sink the movie.

Don’t: Build your sequel’s plot around dense, impenetrable bureaucracies

Do: In general, it pays to tell a simpler story… (Mad Max, The Dark Knight)

Don’t: Bend over backwards to resurrect dead characters (I might be talking to you, Star Trek comics).

Don’t: Overload on continuity

272. ST fan - April 11, 2012

271, Star Trek has been refreshed. They could easily make at least a third movie after this on and it would be fine. In fact, JJ could probably make six prequels that lead up to the older movies, or it could even be sort of seperated from the older franchise. Whatever JJ does it will be astonoshing.
I am also not the least worried about the plot for the next film. The last movie left people in suspense so much! The plot will probably be something about the vulcans and whoever this unnamed villian is he’s sure to be exciting! I can’t wait to see Zachary Quinto in action!

273. Spock/Uhura Admirer :-) :-) - April 12, 2012

@#71 Ryan

No, more like Spock and Uhura worked through the grief of him losing his mother and home planet, and they came out stronger for it.

Ahem, and the wedding invitations are being sent out to…

;-)

274. Jack - April 12, 2012

Abrams wanted chess master in his movie (to, the article’s writer says, play a chess master from (sic) a galaxy far, far away ;) ), but the visa couldn’t be worked out?

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=8070

275. ST fan - April 13, 2012

@#273 lol, I agree, I hope we see their relationship evolve more the sequel!

276. Keachick - rose pinenut (F) - April 13, 2012

Once again, James Kirk is likely to lose the chance for a real love life because most of the time will be spent on Spock and Uhura…Personally I am not happy that possibilities get compromised, especially when I consider that James Kirk got a fairly raw deal in this respect in the prime universe. In the other universe, Spock was averse/couldn’t less about romance or sex but now he’s getting the lot. I guess it doesn’t matter because everybody *sees/knows* that Kirk, in both universes, is just some womanising SOB anyway, except that it is not so at all, not at all!

I hate this shite!

277. Cosmicjackson - April 13, 2012

Interested to see who Cumberbatch is playing. I personally think he is Garth of Izar!

278. Martin L - April 16, 2012

I am rather hoping Cumberbatch will play “Q”.
I think he has the right acting ability to bring this character to life brilliantly.
Moreover, we can then call him cu(Q)-cumber-patch! :-)

With the time-line played around with in the last movie, I think the Q Contiunuum may have something to say about how the timeline is changed, and who’s ‘right’ it is to do so.

Just an idea on the table! :-)

279. ST fan - April 16, 2012

@277,
That’s who I was thinking too, but isn’t Garth a human? I shows in the leaked photos of the screening that Cumberbatch is overpowering Spock when they’re fighting. If he was Garth he wouldn’t be able to overpower Spock would he?

280. Mr. Pizzaman - April 16, 2012

How about a young Khan?? He is an augment, magnetic and superior…

281. Cosmicjackson - April 18, 2012

Captain Garth is Human but was given the ability of cellular metamorphosis by the inhabitants of the planet Antos IV which basically gives him the abiltiy to shape shift. He could easily overpower Spock if he wanted to.
Whom Gods Destroy.

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