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Star Trek: Phase II “The Child” Online Now + Mini-review April 7, 2012

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Fan Productions,New Voyages/Phase II,Review , trackback

The popular Star Trek: Phase II fan series has released its first episode in a year with "The Child." This new episode was adapted from a script written for the original (unproduced) "Star Trek Phase II" series from the seventies with the original co-writer returning to direct. You can watch the episode and get download links below, plus read the TrekMovie mini-review.

 

Star Trek Phase II’s "The Child" streaming now

The Star Trek Phase II episode "The Child" has been released. This is the seventh episode from the popular fan series. The episode has been adapted from a script written by Jon Povill and Jaron Summers for the original Star Trek: Phase II in the seventies. That script was later re-written for use on Star Trek: The Next Generation. Producer James Cawley approached Jon Povill to return the episode back to its origins on the original Enterprise. The episode features Anna Schnaitteras the Deltan crewmember Isel and introduces the young Ayla Cordell as Irska (Isel’s child).

Here is the official description:

While the Enterprise passes through a strange energy cloud, a mysterious light force enters the ship and impregnates Ensign Isel who, within days, gives birth to a baby girl, Irska. The child grows up at a tremendous rate and while she appears to be human, it is feared she could endanger the ship after a strange alien spacecraft appears and puts everyone in jeopardy….

You can watch the entire (52 minute-long ) "The Child" episode streaming now on YouTube (and via the embed below):

You can also get download links http://www.startreknewvoyages.com .

Mini-review

"The Child" is another strong outing for the Phase II crew. The story is classic Star Trek, seeking out strange new life forms, and it has a message as well.  Povill’s direction is solid, although (like most Phase II episodes) it feels a bit bloated and they probably could have shaved off five minutes to bring it more in line with standard original series running time. Also

The core team of actors for Phase II continue to improve, especially John Kelley as McCoy, who has much of the work in this episode. Cawley himself provides one of his best performances as Kirk in this episode and Brandon Stacy’s Spock is impressive. The one thing that seems a bit out of step (and this is true for all of Phase II), the characters of Kirk and Spock seems more like a members of an ensemble than the hero stars of the show. Of the two guest stars, the young Ayla Cordell is surprisingly effective playing the rapidly growing and mysterious alien child. As for Anna Schnaitteras, I felt she didn’t really have the range to handle the heavy load required of her for this episode where her character is so central.

As usual, the production is top notch and very professional. With the lone exception of sound editing for the bridge sequences (they can’t seem to get rid of that echo), every aspect of the production delivers what you would want from a Star Trek production. Worth special note are the special effects provided by Tobias Richter, Juvenal Vique and Pony R. Horton.

While there are still element of "hey lets all play Star Trek," for the series, Phase II’s "The Child" still shows that it is the best of the fan productions.

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Comments

1. Harry Ballz - April 7, 2012

Boy, you’ve got to admire their dedication to Trek!

2. Elias Javalis - April 7, 2012

Thank god for guys like Cawley! Cause they keep the “engineering” of our franchise up and running!!

3. Landru's cousin, Dandru - April 7, 2012

To be honest, I think this is pretty weak. Sure, the production values are high, but the acting, right across the board, is awful, as is the script. “The Child” was one of Trek’s worst entries, and this version does nothing to change that.

4. Craiger - April 7, 2012

Just curious, I wonder how they can keep doing this in today’s economy? They can’t get any profit on this right?

5. Brian Holloway - April 7, 2012

@ Craiger……we cannot and do not make any profit from this venture. Everyone from cast to crew to visitors who drop by do this completely out of their own pockets and out of love for Trek. And yes….teh economy DOES effect us and hinders our ability to do more than one episode a year (in most cases….with pick ups and reshoots as needed). James is a consumate professional and is conscious of the time involved but he also is such a rallying point for the group, we all are very willing to continue to support PHASE II for as long as we have life. To the fans and supporters of PHASE II, I can only say “thank you for your support” and we definitely welcome your feedback, without which we could never continue to grow and improve.

LLAP,
Brian Holloway
Make-Up Supervisor
Star Trek: PHASE II
RetroFilms Studio

6. Buzz Cagney - April 7, 2012

I never cease to be amazed at what this team creates. Congratulations!

7. Brevard - April 7, 2012

I’ve tried to watch these episodes, I really have. But, sheesh, the acting is just so darned bad. Usually 5 minutes in, I just can’t take it anymore. The production values, sets, special effects are all top notch. Spend some more time on the acting.

8. Landru's cousin, Dandru - April 7, 2012

Brevard: That’s the problem I have. This cast is uniformly awful–cardboard, stiff, little emoting, and half the time looking like they’re trying not to laugh. So unprofessional, which is a shame since the sets and effects are fantastic.

9. AJ - April 7, 2012

I still have the bad taste in my mouth left after TNG’s “The Child” aired in 1988 during the writers’ strike. This ‘version’ was a pleasant surprise.

I’ve gotten used to the acting abilities of the regular cast, and, with obvious improvement over the past few years, they no longer take me out of the viewing experience.

I thought the Xon/Spock dynamic was interesting, and it is worth developing going forward.

I am curious to know exactly how much this finished product differs from how Jon Povill imagined it would turn out in the mid-seventies.

10. fansincesixtynine - April 7, 2012

Thanks to Mr. Cawley. That was fun, and the shots of the Enterprise were wonderful. No, it wasn’t Emmy-award winning acting across the board, but it was enjoyable.

11. NCC-73515 - April 7, 2012

I did mind the acting in the first episodes, but I find nothing to be picky about in those last ones.

12. Holger - April 7, 2012

Kudos to the entire Phase II crew. I enjoyed this episode a lot. Superb effects, solid acting. In particular, I liked how Brandon Stacy is growing into his role as Spock.

13. denny cranium - April 7, 2012

I was looking forward to this but ultimately I’m disappointed.
It felt choppy and disjointed. Has Povill ever directed before?
The young girl was excellent.
The actress playing her mother tried but fell short in places.
Mr Cawley did his usual good work. The actor who plays Spock is quite good.
John Kelley as McCoy is excellent.
I think this is one of these episodes that looked good on paper.
Getting it from the page to the screen it fell down.
Perhaps it didn’t have the budget the other eps had?
That’s the challenge of making episodic tv.
Sometimes the finished product isn’t what one hopes for.
Mr Cawley and crew:
Thank you for all of your hard work. Your love of star trek is evident.
I eagerly await the next installment.

14. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - April 7, 2012

it may not be Prime time network quality. But it is a close as you can get. Great Job Phase 2 team.

15. OtterVomit - April 7, 2012

For folks like me who grew up on TOS and find most contemporary Trek to be lacking, these episodes are a godsend. I don’t care if the acting isn’t on a Hollywood level, the spirit is there in full force and I can honestly say I look twice as forward to these as I do anything else Trek-related in the works right now. Keep up the great work, Phase II!

16. Holger - April 7, 2012

Re 14: The original TOS run had its share of bottle shows. So I would say The Child fits in nicely with this tradition. I like the story more than Is There In Truth No Beauty, another classic bottle show.

17. Magic_Al - April 7, 2012

I rewatched the TNG version of “The Child” after watching this, and found the episodes generally too different to compare, since the TNG version was really only based on the general premise. There was one thing I liked better in the TNG version, which is also, ironically, an element the original Phase II script would have had that was missing from the New Voyages/Phase II version: the interaction between Troi and Riker is presumably what would have been between Ilia and Decker. Since, in order to preserve continuity with TMP, New Voyages/Phase II changed IIlia to a different Deltan and there’s no equivalent of Decker/Riker, we miss out on the dynamics of an ex-lover adjusting to the situation. Where the TNG version is weaker is how the child ties into the threat the ship faces.

18. dan - April 7, 2012

8 mins in…I had to turn off….the acting alone was soooooooo bad!

19. Rob Rostad - April 7, 2012

Can’t wait to watch this! It’s loading up now…

20. Trek! - April 7, 2012

Space:1999′s “Alpha Child.” ‘Nuff said.

21. John - April 7, 2012

The bad acting just takes me out of these episodes. Sorry.

22. Spocky - April 7, 2012

Hire some good actors!

23. Thomas - April 7, 2012

I posted this in the April 4th Cumberbatch thread, but it was posted late last night, and I didn’t want it to be ignored. Since the closing of Star Trek: The Experience, people here have suggested the creation of a full-sized Starship Enterprise attraction as a replacement Trek Mecca for fans. Well, Ain’t It Cool News has posted a story about people planned (and feasibly designed) a full-sized Enterprise for Las Vegas, and why it didn’t happen. You can see the story here:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/54805

24. CmdrR - April 7, 2012

This one is a great improvement in many areas… and yes, that includes the acting. The direction is the most improved here, as Povill has learned not to lean to heavily on cover shots that expose clumsy blocking or overemphasize a few large bellies. No, it’s not perfect. But, it’s the best new TOS we’ve got.

25. Kobayne - April 7, 2012

Not the strongest story the Phase 2 team has done but still very well done and better than most anything network television puts out on a weekly basis.

Along with #9 AJ I really liked the Xon/Spock dynamic. I hope it’s something the producers carry forward.

People complaining about the acting. I really think it has improved over the years and the fact these good people do this for nothing, no pay whatever but for the passion I can get over the fact. Story in my opinion is what really matters.

But at the end all I can say is thank you cast and crew of Phase 2. I love what you all do!

26. CmdrR - April 7, 2012

20. Trek! – April 7, 2012
Space:1999’s “Alpha Child.” ‘Nuff said.

Didn’t that ep go a very different route?

27. StPeteRickster - April 7, 2012

Considering we have NO OTHER new trek episodes, am enjoying this thoroughly.

Have seen everyone they’ve done and have been very surprised. Some are good enough to be on TV (‘World Enough and Time’ and ‘To Serve All My Days’) and while the acting IS somewhat stilted, at times, I can certainly overlook that minor issue.

The stories are excellent, the effects are superior to TV and Movies.

If I EVER win the lottery, I’ll be wanting to make a LARGE donation to help them along. Would LOVE to be a special guest villain or something to that effect, just to get MY name stamped on Trek History.

Netflix or YouTube are looking for NEW programming to fund and furnish to its subscribers, why not this??

Really enjoy the effort and time put into these. At one a year, you certainly leave the audience wanting more….

Keep up the Good Work!!!

28. Kathy - April 7, 2012

I really appreciate and applaud the efforts of James Cawley and all the other actors, writers, staff, etc… You have to be a big fan in order to do all this work for free. However, this episode for me was just so, so. It seemed to be disjointed in parts and the acting was a bit stiff. I really wish James would stop snarling and screwing up his face when he says his lines. Brandon Stacy and John Kelley have their parts right. Jonathan Zungre as Chekov needs to watch his accent as sometimes I just cannot understand what he is saying. Patrick Bell as Xon is an interesting character and could use more development. The special effects have gotten better and better. I do look forward to each and every episode to feed my need for warp speed.

29. BringBackKirkPrime - April 7, 2012

I think it was great. Keep up the good work!!!

30. Fez - April 7, 2012

@27 if you want to help out P2 you can always donate to the cause or you can contact us thru the website and volunteer for one of our shoots… there is one in June, the 16th-30th. And thank you for your continued support of watching our episodes

Jaime Sanchez (Fez)
Star Trek: Phase 2

31. Anthony Lewis - April 7, 2012

Can’t get enough of the guys who watch this expecting great acting.

1. Most of the acting in the original Trek is considered by most to be cheesy by today’s standards

2. These are fans who love the show, they are only doing it because they love the show. Hiring real actors takes away the fun of it. They aren’t trying to make the best Star Trek show, they are trying to make the best show they can do.

Personally I can watch the show for what it is. And it is still a little shocking to see people who read “Fan Production” and walk in with “the acting better not suck”. I know what I’m getting into and I know what to expect.

32. MJ - April 7, 2012

Not bad, but a number of the male crew have distractedly large hairdos? I recommend Crawley mixes in a trip to Supercuts for those guys the next time he shoots an episode.

33. MJ - April 7, 2012

@20 “Space:1999’s “Alpha Child.” ‘Nuff said.”

Good point! In case anyone wants to compare:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C6fRieyn6Q

34. Patty Wright - April 7, 2012

@17… an Ilia/Decker element was not part of Jon’s original script, which he only edited slightly for us. A dance illustrating the mother/daughter relationship was a MAJOR part of it but it was too long for our episode. Hopefully you’ll get to see that moving piece when a “long director’s cut” is released later.

35. Linda Falvo - April 7, 2012

Spocky – “Hire some good actors!”

What part of “this is a FAN FILM PRODUCTION” do you not understand???? We are the only fan film I know of who actually DOES hire some of their actors and that’s primarily because they’re members of SAG.

And, I happen to think they all do a DAMN GOOD JOB!!

St Pete Rickster -

ANY donation is needed and accepted gratefully. Even $5. So if you can handle a small donation that would be wonderful. And, of course, P2 would be THRILLED with a larger donation if you win the lottery. :D

Please…this is a FAN FILM … and we do the best we can under circumstances you could not imagine if you tried! While everyone is entitled to their own opinions clearly we have the support of some real heavy hitters (John Povill and David Gerrold as directors and Walter Koenig, George Takei, and Barbara Luna to name a few!) who would have had nothing to do with us if we were as crappy as some of you say.

Linda Falvo
“does whatever needs to be done”
Star Trek Phase II

36. Nano - April 7, 2012

I really enjoyed the episode, well crafted! I only have one question, isn’t Phase II suppose to represent a refit Enterprise? Looks too much like the original Constitution Class!

37. StPeteRickster - April 7, 2012

Although am on disability and money is tight (for everyone), I’ve donated $10 to the ‘Studio and Utility Expenses’ on the main page.

I hope it helps and I am glad to be able to hopefully continue your voyages, as many of us really benefit and enjoy your work.

Thanks for being SUPER fans that go WAY above the line of duty.

BTW, appreciate the offer on the shooting, but am in St. Pete FL and I don’t get out all that much. If you ever find yourselves down this way, drop me a line. Would love to meet and help entertain any visitors.

Thanks to everyone and Best of Luck,

rick

38. Captain Rik - April 7, 2012

I really enjoyed the episode a lot. Of all the episodes so far, it felt most like an original TOS episode. The story might not be the greatest one, but it was better then a lot of the original episodes. And the acting keeps improving, so no complaint here. I think making it better and better each time is part of the fun and challenge in makeing those. Keep them coming!

39. Canadianknight - April 7, 2012

Personally, I think people need to back off on the “acting sucks” stuff.

This IS a fan film… and the PASSION therein is exceptional and noticeable throughout.

As a professional voice-actor, I think these guys produce amazing stuff… and I wish to hell I lived closer so I could get involved. :)

Phase II crew… you guys are amazing.

To me, there were only two (minor) flaws in this episode.

1. McCoy’s nurse.. she did well, but her accent is difficult to understand at times.

2. Some background noise (I think during act 3) where footsteps and such were rather noticeable.

Minor stuff… keep it up gang… and Live Long & Prosper!

40. Larry Talbot - April 7, 2012

The poster says “A Jon Povill Film.” Cool!

41. MJ - April 7, 2012

@39. But obvious thinks like getting a couple of the male crew some haircuts to reduce the ridiculous Justin Bieber-like hairdos — those improvements could easily be made.

42. MJ - April 7, 2012

And BTW, I have supported them financially.

43. Tony F - April 7, 2012

41 This was a 1970′s not a 1960′s show we are Continuing the voyage …the haircuts fit the time period if the show was on in the 70′s you can bet that is what they would have had for haircuts…..

44. MJ - April 7, 2012

@35. Linda, it is kind of sappy to get so defensive and whiny about some valid criticisms. I think most of us really like this, but we have comments to offer as well. That is what this is here — a comments board — so you are getting comments across the board. It is what it is.

45. MJ - April 7, 2012

@43, If that was the case, then explain to me please why in this cast shot from Star Trek The Motion Picture, taken in 1978, does not show huge heads of hair on the cast, excepting Uhura’s Afro:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:St1-cast_publicity_shot.png

And here also is the animated series shot from 1974 — again, excepting Uhura, I am not seeing the huge hairdos on the male case that we see in some on the characters in this episode of Phase II:

http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/d/dc/Animated_crew.jpg

Nice try, but BUZZ! Sorry, but we have Trek in the 1970′s references as show above which directly refute your point.

46. jr - April 7, 2012

The best acting was by ‘the child’… nice job.

47. Tony F - April 7, 2012

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Xon_%28David_Gautreaux%29_from_%22Star_Trek_-_Phase_II%22.jpg

Try again
This is the screen test shot for Xon
I think he needs a HAircut

48. MJ - April 7, 2012

@47. A test shot for someone who never was on a single episode of Trek. I give you full cast shots from 1974 and 1978.

BUZZZZZZZ!!!!

49. Sebastian S. - April 7, 2012

Well done, James Cawley and the Phase II team! ;-D
I gotta say, I enjoyed P2′s “The Child” better than the TNG version. As usual, I’m deeply impressed with the passion and pure love of the game that oozes from every pore of these fan films. These episodes sport gorgeous production value, yet retain the 1960s-era charm of TOS. The attention to detail (costumes, sets, TOS music, etc) makes me just grin with geek awe….

As for the episode itself, the Enterprise crew felt more like an ensemble in this story than the usual dominating troika in TOS (from what I understand, that’s what Roddenberry originally intended). Some really solid acting (particularly Ayla Cordell, who played Irska). I’d have to say that “The Child” and “World Enough and Time” have been my personal favorites so far, but they’re all good in their own unique ways.

And to any naysayers out there? If you think you can do a better job then raise your own money, ready your own scripts, build your own sets, assemble your own casts, create your own VFX, and put your money where your mouths are. Otherwise, sit back, and appreciate these labors of Star Trek fan-love. I think they’re terrific!

Again, as a lifelong TOS fan, I’d just like to say thank you very much, STP2 for making the dream of a ’4th season’ a reality.
Live long and prosper! ;-)

PS: Looking VERY forward to “Kitumba” as well… that one looks to be amazing!

50. Captain_Conrad - April 7, 2012

Well done! The VFX have improved to a point where they are almost on par with the CG effects of the Original Series!

Episode wise, it was pretty well written. Had a good original series feel, which I liked. I wish you guys would write for STO. I have yet to experience a mission like this…

The acting was good. Obciously not quite SAG worthy, but of course I don’t expect 100% professional actors. Compared to other fanwork I’ve seen, this is in fact the best!

Overall, I enjoyed it. I hope to see a vinigette (forgive spelling) with Mr. Zon going back in time to the 60s and turning out to be one of the Beatles.

51. Patty Wright - April 7, 2012

The only two characters with long hair on our series are Peter and Xon, friends fresh out of the Academy, and their hair is based on Xon from Phase II. (see Tony F’s link above.) You will see their hair get shorter in future episodes as they become more seasoned officers.

@40… crap! How did the original draft of that poster get released somewhere?! English is a second language for the artist and he thought that was how to indicate that Jon directed the film. Neither he nor his company, Paxdyne, are production companies for this episode.

So glad everyone is enjoying the episode! They are so much fun to make!

And we just keep ramping it up by adding more and more pro actors – James Cawley, Brandon Stacy, Jonathan Zungre, Bobby Quinn Rice, Kim Stinger, Anna Schnaitter, Ayla Cordell… James won the Golden Icon award for best actor in a web series but it looks like he’s got some serious competition this year with our other cast!

52. MJ - April 7, 2012

@51. Patty, thanks for the explanation! Keep up the good work!

53. MJ - April 7, 2012

@49 “And to any naysayers out there? If you think you can do a better job then raise your own money, ready your own scripts, build your own sets, assemble your own casts, create your own VFX, and put your money where your mouths are. Otherwise, sit back, and appreciate these labors of Star Trek fan-love. I think they’re terrific!”

Again, this a a “message board”. The Reverend Jim Jone’s Kool-Aid board is on a different web site – that is where you need to go if you want to be somewhere where everyone agrees with everyone.

People disagree frequently on these boards — stop being so fracking over-sensitive about it. Also, please donate to Phase II as I have done if you appreciate it — they need fan financial support.

54. Mark Anton - April 7, 2012

Not the most exciting episode that Phase II has delivered, but it was certainly a high quality edition to the series that I love and eagerly anticipate. I too noticed some audio problems on the bridge, and a lot of the scenes seem to appear a little darker than they should. I had no problem with the acting, and I thought the girl who played “The Child” did a very nice job. Of course, I always enjoy James Cawley as Kirk. He loves playing this role, and I definitely believe that this guy is the captain of the Enterprise. The special effects were quite often beautiful– I love seeing the shots of the TOS Enterprise, and I for one am very glad they did not change it. John Kelley is such a welcome presence in this series– I wish he wasn’t leaving. I’m curious why Uhura didn’t appear in this episode; of course, she wasn’t in all of the original episodes either. Congratulations to everyone involved in this episode. I can’t wait to see the next one, but unfortunately I guess we’ll have to.

55. Tony F - April 7, 2012

MJ
Thank you for the Donation!
Rest assured well put it to good use!

56. Tony F - April 7, 2012

John Kelly is not leaving …He will be back on the E in June

57. MJ - April 7, 2012

@55 No problem, Tony. FYI — I just sent you guys another $10 installment.

58. Sebastian S. - April 7, 2012

53. MJ

“Again, this a a “message board”. The Reverend Jim Jone’s Kool-Aid board is on a different web site – that is where you need to go if you want to be somewhere where everyone agrees with everyone.”

I was expressing MY opinion.
I did not single anyone on this site out for ridicule (as you so often do). I said naysayers (I was not being specific). I simply suggested that if one thinks they could do better on their own time and money, then one should do so.

If you don’t like my post? Fine, but there’s no need for you to insult other people’s posts and opinions. You’re NOT a moderator.

59. claypool2011 - April 7, 2012

Really enjoyed the episode.

One question, was that Wil Decker wearing the non-Enterprise department badge? heard “Decker” once during that scene, but it wasn’t really clear (am I forgetting somethign from a previous episode?

The non-Enterprise department badge kind of threw me.

Great job as always!

60. MJ - April 7, 2012

@58 Nor are you a moderator. See, we agree on something! :-)

I would urge you to perhaps concentrate perhaps a bit less on constantly chastising others opinions here that disagree with yours, and instead apply your energies towards a donation to the Phase II team. They need our financial support.

61. Sebastian S. - April 7, 2012

#60.

I never tried to be. I’m as entitled to my opinion as you are to yours. Why don’t you drink a nice glass of your OWN Kool-Aid, sport?

“I would urge you to perhaps concentrate perhaps a bit less on constantly chastising others opinions here that disagree with yours, and instead apply your energies towards a donation to the Phase II team. They need our financial support.”

As for the donation? How do you know I have or haven’t? Oh, but I guess that’s why you’re here; to tell others what to do…..

62. claypool2011 - April 7, 2012

Guys, seriously. Can we discuss the episode? I’m less than interested to read your pissing match.

63. El Chup - April 7, 2012

So, am I understanding this discussion thread correctly that it is a crime to dislike New Voyages/Phase II?

Jeez, whatever happened to the forum of public opinion?

I think what these guys do should be applauded. The effort to keep classic TOS going, the quality of the effects, costumes and sets, all well beyond any other fan production out there. The scripts that they have adapted, fantastic. But, personally, I find the quality of the acting, casting and vocal sound mixing to be utterly woeful, and, for that reason alone, I have found myself unable to watch their episodes continuously.

Whilst I accept that a fan production must always be viewed in a different context from something made for commerciality, the fact is that fan films are still put out there for public consumption. It is therefore logical that the public have a right to determine whether or not they like the production without being told in a childish and condecending manner to “go do better with your own money”.

Just my two penneth worth…..

64. MJ - April 7, 2012

@61 “Oh, but I guess that’s why you’re here; to tell others what to do…..”

You mean like saying:

“And to any naysayers out there? If you think you can do a better job then raise your own money, ready your own scripts, build your own sets, assemble your own casts, create your own VFX, and put your money where your mouths are. Otherwise, sit back, and appreciate these labors of Star Trek fan-love.”

I mean, if that is not trying telling others to do, then what is? LOL

This reminds me of something Jack’s classic character said in A Few Good Men:

“I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way.”

65. MJ - April 7, 2012

@63 “Whilst I accept that a fan production must always be viewed in a different context from something made for commerciality, the fact is that fan films are still put out there for public consumption. It is therefore logical that the public have a right to determine whether or not they like the production without being told in a childish and condecending manner to “go do better with your own money”.”

YEP !!!!!

PS: See the post I just put in above — I think Sebastian would prefer you just said “Thank You” and went on your way. :-)

66. Red Dead Ryan - April 7, 2012

I gave the new episode a 7 out of ten. The crew have done better stories before. I think this episode dragged on a bit too long in places. Would have been more effective as a 42 minute show, I think. Anyway, the production is top-notch as usual. The guy who does the visual effects deserves a ton of kudos. The space scenes look better here than on the “Star Trek: TOS Remastered” Blu Rays, which aren’t bad either. As for the acting, well, it usually takes a couple of minutes to get used to it but once I do its really good for what it is. James Cawley is no William Shatner, but then again, apart from the Shat himself, who is? Sure, these guys and gals aren’t going to top the original cast, but they do have the talent to be taken seriously as performers. That is what counts. They put in a lot of heart and soul, and it shows in these episodes.

And yeah, it really pisses me off when some of the haters here demand that James Cawley and co. step aside in favor of “professional actors who have real talent”. I mean c’mon, show some respect. If you don’t like the acting, that is fine. But stop with the rude condescension. It isn’t helpful.

These people put in a lot of blood, sweat and tears to bring us new Trek adventures. They do it for free, we watch it for free while CBS is gracious enough to allow this endeavor to continue.

Finally, I must express my gratitude to the cast and crew of “Star Trek: Phase II”. You folks do fine work. Keep it coming, and I’ll keep watching!

67. MJ - April 7, 2012

@66. Good review, RDR — I agree with your comments on the episode. But, I think you have been bitten as well by over-sensitivity bug to negative comments here. In reviewing all previous posts, I only count 4 out of 66 (6.5%) 0 that just blatantly complained about the bad acting – those posters were Brevard, Landrau’s Cousin, John and Spocky.

When you only have 6.5% of the posts being definite detractors in a perhaps rude way, to me that is a sign, especially on this site, that highlights how very positive a response this episode and the Phase II teaming are getting.

68. Red Dead Ryan - April 7, 2012

#67.

True, but that 6.5% should be criticised for not offering constructive criticism instead of just finding fault with the production staff. This kind of nonsense drives me nuts.

Anyway, MJ, I appreciate your thoughts on my comments!

69. Landru's cousin, Dandru - April 7, 2012

Hey, I did say the production value was great. My problem with Phase II is that it’s so badly acted. Sure, I realize they do it for free, and that they’re fans with a passion, and I applaud them for that–but recognizing that doesn’t make bad acting any better. These performers are awful, whether or not they’re paid.

70. Lt. Dakin - April 7, 2012

I thought this was John Kelly’s best outing yet. Brandon Stacy was awesome in the post mind-meld scene- and it was even more powerful in context that by itself when that scene was sneaked sometime back.

I generally enjoy Peter Kirk, and I can’t not like Xon known of the ’70s development of Phase II before it turned into TMP.

Just curious– who was the communications officer? What was the choice on not having Uhura?

And were scenes reshot to not have Arex and given to someone else?

I enjoyed this version of THE CHILD once I got past the first act and a half of thinking I knew where this story was going. Better than TNG, although as someone said above, I think it could have been trimmed a little and I think it could have come out of act 1 and 2.

Thanks for the superb effort.

71. Sebastian S. - April 7, 2012

# MJ

“PS: See the post I just put in above — I think Sebastian would prefer you just said “Thank You” and went on your way. :-)”

Great! Now you’re putting words in my mouth…

72. Patty Wright - April 7, 2012

@54 No, Uhura was not in all the original TOS episodes. She was missing from quite a few of them. Our “Uhura” (Kim Stinger) took a “real job” and her time available to film became limited. We chose to use her for a major part in “Kitumba” so we tried to save up her “vacation time” for that. It’s one of the realities of filming a non-profit fan film: rather than asking her to spend her time off flying her all the way from LA to sit around and deliver a couple “hailing frequencies open” lines in October, we brought her back for an actual acting part the next year. She’s pretty amazing in “Kitumba” and I think the character has a lot of growth in that episode. I, for one, am sick of seeing the “captain, I’m frightened!” version of the female Starfleet officer and I am glad I was able to give Kim the opportunity to bring Uhura to another level. (all my opinion, you’ll have to judge yourself in the episode when it is released.)

@59 Yes, that was Decker. Why he is on our E you’ll have to ponder yourself. No “production” answer revealing future plots, etc, will illuminate his presence there.

And “for the production” we thank everyone who takes the time to comment and give us constructive feedback. These kinds of responses are the best way to improve and we welcome them! The good is always appreciated and make it feel worth all the blood, sweat and tears, but the bad help us grow. Do we need to solve a “darkness” issue with YouTube or do we need to flood the bridge with more lights? Is someone’s delivery in one scene too tight or over the top? Is a character arc going in a good direction or a place best detoured immediately? (People should notice that Peter has become “just one of the crew” here.)

And, yes, we agree with the AWESOME VFX work of The LightWorks and Tobias Richter, as well as the work done by Pony R. Horton and Juve Vique. We were actually told some of the shots in “Kitumba” couldn’t be done – what you’ll see will blow your minds away! (I still say that the VFX from that episode could be released all on their own without accompanying plot and people would leave the theater cheering!)

And thanks to everyone who is able to give us some financial support. We’re the only fanfilm group that actually pays a mortgage, and we’ve got a lot of ambitious filming coming up!

73. Patty Wright - April 7, 2012

@70…. Arex was supposed to replace someone else. We need to shoot some greenscreen work in order to complete the CGI required to make him look right and we didn’t have time for this release. He’s still walking around our ship with M’Ress, so look for him in future episodes.

See the explanation of why Uhura was not in the episode at all. In the teaser, “Ensign Zhara” is apparently the 3rd shift communications officer this week. I’m assuming she wanted to see this thing through having been there when they first encountered the problem.

and, thanks: I think with more time everyone is really growing into their roles. It occurs to me that our original TOS actors got to do that rather quickly, with filming every week!

74. claypool2011 - April 7, 2012

@72 Patty, now that I think of it, a few of the scenes came through as a little darkly lit. I watched the 720p MKV version.

I can’t really recall seeing that kind of lighting problem in the past, so I assume it was an artifact of the encoding. For the most part everythign looked great.

Thanks for the response regarding Decker. I will have to re-watch after the holiday. The department badge DID look a bit familiar, but I can’t place it.

I really enjoyed seeing more of the Phase II uniforms creeping into the production. I would say that I didn’t think the one Peter was wearing when he handled Navigation was necessarily appropriate, but I do remember it from one of the concept sketches of the TMP bridge, so clearly that’s just an off-the-cuff reaction.

75. Jack - April 7, 2012

Man, Peter Kirk is cute. :)

76. Fez - April 7, 2012

As opposed to filming once or twice a year

77. Patty Wright - April 7, 2012

@74 Peter’s overalls are actually some of the original “Phase II” uniforms obtained from Paramount/CBS that the production owns. As I’ve explained elsewhere, Povill’s desire was to show the crew reporting to the bridge quickly from off-duty activities to illustrate the sense of urgency. He suggested jeans and t-shirts (think of Kirk wearing “Go Climb a Rock”) and gym outfits, etc. James went with the “casual” uniform variant from Phase II – so if you sense it is inappropriate attire for the bridge, Povill’s vision was realized. :-)

78. Gary Evans - April 7, 2012

The lighting is dark in many scenes because of creative choice. Particularly the “night cycle” scenes. It is neither a lack of lights nor skill – just a conscious choice of the director and writer(s). The Gaffer implements lighting as directed by the Director and Director of Photography. The studio has in excess of 50 Kilowatts of light professional equipment! The lighting is pro quality from Mole – Richardson, ARRI and Bardwell-McAlister (B&M). I

When that is not enough the production will rent HMI, HPL or other lighting from companies in cities such as Boston, Schenectady, New York or nearby Vermont.

Please be VERY specific with your criticism(s). If you deem acting is bad, PLEASE tell us in your terms why that seems so to you. That can, perhaps, give Phase II ideas how to improve even with the volunteer actors. That is useful; just saying the acting is bad doesn’t help too much.

Someone asked about financing. The principal photography was autumn 2008 – just as the economic crisis hit the world. The production is funded by donors, by crew and by cast. Phase II seeks fan support at our website, forum and other venues. It is a Phase II Team efforts, plus help from some fans who care, that makes these productions possible. That is true of MOST of the Trek fan productions, BTW!

This message board is administered by Anthony Pascale, so he (or his editors) moderate the responses. He also contacted Phase II for specific information to use in his reports – including links. Anthony, thanks again for reporting our efforts to the Trek fans.

\V/_

79. MJ - April 7, 2012

@77. Well, Povill was not omniscient nor perfect — it sounds like you all may have gotten a tad carried away with trying to do everything he suggested, even where it didn’t make common sense or was inconsistent with what we think of as commonly accepted starfleet regulations…e.g. t-shirts and gym outfits being acceptable on the bridge of a starship.

The guy wasn’t perfect, and we all have some dumbass ideas now and then. This one wacky idea of his should be a throw-away.

80. TrekMadeMeWonder - April 7, 2012

Very enjoyable. It had me staying up way past my bed time.
Cawley did a good job this time around. He continues to improve as Kirk.
He should really cut back his hair for the Kirk role and wear a toup for the Elvis thing.

Good episode, though. Its really nice to see The Original Series, correction Phase II, sailing on to new adventures. Please keep it going!!!

81. dmduncan - April 7, 2012

I agree with the review on the problem with the echoes. That stands out to me.

But you can always dub it in a studio as well. That’ll fix it. A common practice in shooting film with MOS cameras. Just as long as you record sound while you are shooting so you have something to synch the dubbing to. (ALWAYS record sound when you are going to dub later, no matter that the recoding will be dumped. One of my student films I accidentally erased the soundtrack. I tried having the actor dub his lines in one of NYU’s projection rooms. ImPOSSible without having something for him to synch his words to. That was a hard lesson.)

So if you have a access to a good recording booth or you can make one, you can get rid of that echo.

I know that complicates things. Happy happy joy joy.

82. Ryan Thomas Riddle - April 7, 2012

I have to disagree with most of Anthony’s mini-review — although, it was neat to see my name in the end credits of this episode, under the Production Club. However, this isn’t a strong outing for PII. However, Anthony hits on a major problem with PII and its script, particularly this episode, Kirk and Spock take a backseat to the other characters. Moreover, Kirk isn’t a problem solver like he was in the original series.

Kirk is REACTIVE not ACTIVE in the PII stories. He doesn’t ever put two and two together. Others do it and he plods along. He makes no decisions. He takes no risks. Hell, Abrams and his cohorts get Kirk even though the “true fans” blast ST ’09 for getting the character wrong. No they got him right.

Kirk in the Abrams film was a problem solver. He was able to deduce that the “lighting storm” in space was the same as the one that destroyed the Kelvin. He saw things that the others didn’t, like Spock. Much like in the original series. Sure, his youth and how he came to Starfleet changed. But at the core, Kirk was still Kirk in the movie. Unlike in most fan films, where Kirk is more Picard than Kirk, allowing problems to be solved rather than actively solving them.

83. Bryan - April 7, 2012

I am such a fan of Phase II and I especially can’t wait for Kitumba and Mind-Sifter… extra kudos to the special effects team… amazing stuff. Watch this in the highest resolution you can find… try youtube downloader which lets you download the video at full 720p

84. Bryan - April 7, 2012

p.s. true Star Trek spirit… appropriating the Speed Racer helmets and turning them into engineering gear!

85. Patty Wright - April 7, 2012

@82 I agree with you about a lot of the scripts we’ve filmed, but I don’t agree that Kirk is reactive in Enemy: Starfleet. I don’t think he’s reactive in the upcoming Kitumba either, though he’s pretty much a vegetable in Mind Sifter.

86. Tony F - April 7, 2012

Im sure Ralph Miller did the best he could with what he had to work with
James could have chose to have the Audio ADR’ed in those scenes This surly would have delayed the release by months more and not realy added that much to the episode…
if you could undertsand the actors then the story is being told and that is the main goal…Hoinestly I know every audio issue we have and why
I have an Audio Engineering background and I did alot of the sound on set but not all…
and I cant speak to the audio I did not do
but if you ever heard the rough cut you would know what an amazing job Ralph Miller did to pull the audio together… We have different people volunteering their time to boom mic some have never opeerated a boom before in their life …yet we allow them to learn and to be part of trek history ..and to HAVE FUN!..

87. Dan - April 7, 2012

They need to raise money to hire better actors…seriously!

88. dmduncan - April 7, 2012

86. Tony F – April 7, 2012

You guys all do a fantastic job.

89. Jack - April 7, 2012

88. Amen.

90. Ryan Thomas Riddle - April 7, 2012

85. Patty Wright – April 7, 2012
@82 I agree with you about a lot of the scripts we’ve filmed, but I don’t agree that Kirk is reactive in Enemy: Starfleet. I don’t think he’s reactive in the upcoming Kitumba either, though he’s pretty much a vegetable in Mind Sifter.

Unfortunately, I have to disagree with you about “Enemy: Starfleet.” Kirk does stuff in the episode, taking “action,” going after the enemy vessel and boarding her. However, the actual problem solving and the actual decision to disrupt subspace isn’t made by him, it’s done by others. He’s absolved of any real, solid decision making by the alien government giving him the OK. It really cuts the dramatic tension and the weight of the decision on his shoulders. In other words, Kirk doesn’t roll the hard six like he did in so many original episodes, where he took matters into his own hands, such as “The Apple” or “A Taste of Armageddon” or “A Private Little War.”

91. Commodore Redshirt - April 7, 2012

I admire the work that has gone into this production, but this is no where close to anything above amateur.
Special effects…A ;64
Set design … B+;
Costumes …A-;
Acting … D;
Script …C;
Lighting …C-;
Sound …C+;
Effort …B+;
Overall …C+

The concept is good and so many production elements are first rate … but I just can’t get past the poor acting, unnatural lighting, and a script that screams “re-write”.

92. Utility Belts Are Cool - April 8, 2012

Best line: “She’s coming, doctor.”

93. MJ - April 8, 2012

@82 “Kirk in the Abrams film was a problem solver. He was able to deduce that the “lighting storm” in space was the same as the one that destroyed the Kelvin. He saw things that the others didn’t, like Spock. Much like in the original series. Sure, his youth and how he came to Starfleet changed. But at the core, Kirk was still Kirk in the movie. Unlike in most fan films, where Kirk is more Picard than Kirk, allowing problems to be solved rather than actively solving them.”

Good point! I really hadn’t thought about it in that way before, but you have hit on something key here that makes sense to me.

94. MJ - April 8, 2012

@92. Thanks for reconfirming to us all why utility belts are not cool.

95. Al Hartman - April 8, 2012

I enjoyed the episode, and especially enjoyed the ability to see Jon Povil’s original script brought to the screen as he intended.

Yes, some of the actors aren’t as good as some of the others… But, these are fans who spent tons of money, and made a huge effort to get to the sets to be in the show. They will forever have the memory of actually being in the Star Trek Universe.

If you step back to realize that this is the WHOLE POINT of Phase II — to give fans the gift of making Star Trek, and being in the show… maybe you all will be less critical of the acting.

James is very generous in allowing people of all skill levels and abilities to contribute to each show.

I got to be an extra in Kitumba, and whether any scene I’m in ever makes it to the final cut, I’ll be forever grateful for the opportunity. Though, I never saw myself as a Klingon… *smile!*

I’m just happy to see new Trek that respects the TOS era being produced. I enjoyed the show a lot. Mainly because I watched it without expectation, and in the spirit offered.

96. Al - April 8, 2012

James still looks too much like Elvis

97. Ron Albanese - April 8, 2012

Like looking like Elvis could ever be a bad thing!

98. La Reyne d'Epee - April 8, 2012

All I can say is…there are some mealy-mouthed old codgers on here!

I’ve never seen one of these before and I’ve just watched it. I thought it was great, especially considering that these are essentially amateurs. (That means doing something for the love of it, remember)

With regard to the criticism of the lead actor James Cawley, I wouldn’t fault his acting, but his physicality is very different from either Shatner or Pine, and this is probably the thing that some can’t see past. He’s more hawkish and severe, whereas Shatner/Pine are charm and swagger. With regard to Spock, less is definitely more, he needs to turn it down a little. In the end, these are different people, they can never completely duplicate the original in every way. Indeed, should they?

Anna Schnaitteras and Ayla Cordell both excellent.

Effects were largely flawless, go back and look at one of the original episodes and this is undoubtedly considerably better than they ever were…

Well done to them, the more opportunties they have to work on these, the better they will get.

Last word, it’s completely spooky seeing sets and hearing sound effects and music that reproduce the original so perfectly. Superb!

:D

99. Davexbit - April 8, 2012

Great Work on the “The Child”! I am always overwhelming impressed that “fans” come together out of love of the series and dedicate their talents, hard work, enthusiasm and funds to create an extension of the Original Series for me as a watching fan can continue to enjoy.
The production and effects are incredible and the acting feels more like an ensemble and “naturalistic” then ever before. Your starting to feel the connection between the veteran actors of Cawley’s ensemble. The actors who play McCoy, Spock, Scotty and “The Child” did an incredible job.
If I may be so bold my only advice for improvements would be tighter editing and for the writers to allow McCoy to be more of the humanitarian he is. His deep beliefs in “humanism” and right to life is what fuels his passion, not a bitchy bedside manner. The actor in this episode has evolved this character then he ever has in any other episode.
Tobias Richter…wow is all I can say. His effects are better then the original without isolating the original. The detail, camera angles and pacing really add to the story and production values.
As always, a huge “Thanks” to all the crews and dedication for creating yet another amazing episode of Star Trek Phase II.

100. Nick Cook - April 8, 2012

I’m still surprised by how many people still get James’ name wrong. It’s Cawley, folks, no ‘r’. :)

And honestly, the acting’s so bad you need to turn off? I just can’t get my head around that one.

101. La Reyne d'Epee - April 8, 2012

Last last word, I’m only having a kid if I can come back as a Deltan, gestate it over three days and have it grow up in a week.

^_^

102. Parosu' Grasu' - April 8, 2012

Well I enjoined this episode a lot and appreciate all the hard work put into it. The girl-actress was excellent and her mother as well. All the other actors have improved a lot and I’m sure the will do the same in future episodes.

We Trekers/Trekies cant thank you enough for all your hard work!

Keep doing it :)

103. The Original Spock's Brain - April 8, 2012

Congratulations and thank you to James Cawley, cast, and crew of Phase II.

You’ve made real the dream that all uber Trek fans had as kids and shared it with the world. Well done!

104. pilotfred - April 8, 2012

an enjoyavle phase2 episode not there best by far however still beat most voyagers episode

keep up the good work

105. denny cranium - April 8, 2012

to all the posters who are criticisng those that “dare” to leave any negative reviews-
Most of us that left any constructive (I hope) criticism measured this episode by the bar that Phase 2 has raised on its own.
When one compares The Child to the other episodes aired it (in my opinion) falls short. But THAT”S TELEVISION. When one episode doesn’t turn out to what is hoped for you move on to the next one.
As many others have posted the production values are excellent. The special effects are incredible,
The acting is okay for the most part. My issue is basically with the story. It probably looked great on paper. It just didnt translate well to the screen for me. I’m not sure if it was the directing or the editing I’ll have to watch it again.
I do appreciate all of Phase 2′s efforts and I don’t question their dedication or work ethic. I’m off to make a donation for the next production. If you’re able to please donate to them.
Again thanks to the Phase 2 crew for everything that you do.I appreciate it.
Your love of Star Trek is evident in all of your eps.
That’s why Star Trek works on TV when one episode doesn’t go over as hoped you just look forward to the next one.

106. KirksBrother - April 8, 2012

The acting is terrible, really!!!

107. Ryan Thomas Riddle - April 8, 2012

You know, I can forgive acting, bad staging, camerawork if the story was worthwhile and engaging. However, “The Child” like it’s TNG counterpart and the original 70s script just isn’t engaging. The same problems that plague those stories is still present in this version. A few more rewrites, some more polish to solve obvious flaws would’ve gone a long way to making this a really strong, dramatic story with Kirk facing the moral dilemma of possibly having to kill a child to save his ship.

Other than Kirk being reactive in the story. The other major flaw is that there is no sense of urgency in the story. Things just happen, very much like the TNG version.

108. Nick Cook - April 8, 2012

@105. Denny, I don’t think anyone has an issue with constructive criticism (well I don’t anyway). Constructive criticism is invaluable. We all learn and improve by learning from our mis-steps. It’s the non-constructive criticism that people take issue with.

Personally I think at least some of the people who just say the acting is bad, can’t get over seeing different actors in the familiar roles.

Is the acting perfect? Nope, but is it truly awful? Not by any reasonable level of assessment. IMO of course. ;)

I’d agree with some of the criticisms of the script. The TNG version had many of the same issues.

109. Richard the Lion Hearted - April 8, 2012

OMG What a bunch of bit**ing and moaning. I sorry that does not live up to your standards these guys work hard to keep “the five years mission ” going. As I have said before “any chance to be aboard the Enterprise” is my motto.

110. Red Dead Ryan - April 8, 2012

#109.

What the f@ck are you talking about? These fan productions, (at least “Phase II”) are entirely appropriate for kids. Heck, a lot of fans started watching various Trek series when they were kids, and in some cases, there were episodes far more “adult” then what you’re seeing here. These guys are just trying to relive some of the good old days.

And yeah, I don’t need some government entity censoring or rating internet productions. That will only stifle creativity. It will become as drab and boring as television. I think it should be up to the individual to determine what he/she feels is approrpriate. Not the networks, and not the government.

111. Red Dead Ryan - April 8, 2012

Never mind my post at #110. The post I responded to got deleted.

112. Quatlo - April 8, 2012

I enjoyed this episode. Especially good acting work by Anna Schnaitteras and Ayla Cordell. They seemed much more into the story than the others, which was appropriate. Good job by all, be proud.

113. Michael Hall - April 8, 2012

Damn. As a Phase 2 fan and former crew member, I had high hopes for “The Child.” Unfortunately, for a number of reasons in my view the episode just doesn’t work. There were enough issues with the script, acting, and direction that I haven’t time to go into them all, but most disheartening was that even the professional gloss I’ve come to expect from Phase 2 since “World Enough and Time” is largely absent. The episode is almost bereft of energy or dramatic momentum; it’s underlit, stagey, and the choice of TOS music used in almost each and every instance is either overly melodramatic (as when Isel announces her pregnancy) or jarringly works against whatever emotions the scene is trying to convey. It seems hard to believe that this show was put together by the same people behind the wonderfully slick and fun (if minor) “Enemy: Starfleet.” That looked and played like a real TOS episode, if not a great one. “The Child” is more reminiscient of early Phase 2 shows like “Come What May” or “In Harm’s Way”: certainly admirable for the effort that went into producing them (not to mention the love and commitment to keeping Gene’s original vision alive), but lacking some very basic prerequisites to competent filmmaking, let alone the kind of storytelling that was Star Trek at its best. @ 107 has it exactly right, here:

“A few more rewrites, some more polish to solve obvious flaws would’ve gone a long way to making this a really strong, dramatic story with Kirk facing the moral dilemma of possibly having to kill a child to save his ship. . .
Other than Kirk being reactive in the story. The other major flaw is that there is no sense of urgency in the story. Things just happen, very much like the TNG version,”

That said–and, believe me, I take no pleasure in saying any of it–for all my disappointment in “The Child,” as others here have pointed out it’s just one episode. I’m very confident that the producers will take the feedback they receive here and elsewhere under advisement, and get the series back on track.

114. wtriker1701 - April 8, 2012

First of all: Kudos to The Cawley Entertainment Group!
I always enjoy the love, the hard work and the enthusiasm you put in your outings.

They are amateurs! Indeed they are. Let’s not forget that fact. But, as one poster above put it right: to be an amateur means to be a lover, a devotee to that what you do. So that’s, what any critic should be reminded of – a lot of them/us are, of course, aware of that fact, aren’t they?

I have enjoyed every outing of yours, since – they are clearly the result of a labour of love for TOS – to this day with WORLD ENOUGH AND TIME being the closest (regarding me) to having a feel of a professional production. I felt, it hit the park every second of screen time, getting the best out of each of you.

With all that said – I think THE CHILD could have needed a little script trimming here and there. Example? Here it comes:
The Teaser: As freshly impregnated Crewwoman Isel exits her quarter and runs into Kirk and Chekov – well, it’s fun to have Cawley/Kirk say his snarky “Deltans!” – the script could have demanded to let her fall unconscious right there in the corridor to give Kirk the opportunity to get to her, regretting his his earlier comment – and then have her deliver her “I’m pregnant” to him – instead of McCoy. I feel it would have made Kirk’s feeling of responsibility for her safety (and the rest of the crew later on) much more present.
And I tink it would have presented (imho) a stronger ending for the Teaser.

The actors have done a magnificent job on this one – but Irska simply steals the show! James Cawley’s Kirk sometimes does a routinely Kirk on the show, but it’s exactly in his scenes with Ayla Cordell where he truly shines. (It reminds me of his interactions with Sulu’s daughter from WEAT – same attitude, same enthusiasm). Far away from Going Through The Motions. I remind all of you: it’s critcism by amateurish to semi-professional standards. So the love put in all over there is clearly seen by me.
Oh, and John Kelley should also be mentioned: His best outing, yet!

The Visual Effects – just WOW! They seem to meet professional standards – imho.

So far, I’ll always look forward of another entry of Phase II – as the people behind it truly give all they can do, and that’s LOVE! And it’s so much more than many of us would deliver.

(Regarding the acting: I’m a stage actor myself – an amateur – so I think I know what I’d expect when I see other actors.)

Thanks for reading this!

115. The Fox man - April 8, 2012

Great work. The story could have been better but the production values and acting were convincing. I really enjoyed it and had a TOS feeling. It was a mediacore TOS episode in my eyes. Regarding the story I prefered the blood worms episode and the other installments, but nevertheless it felt like real Trek for me.

116. Johnny - April 8, 2012

I thought this was great! I really enjoyed it. It’s great to see people who actually know star trek and respect it create it

117. Johnny - April 8, 2012

This is star trek not that rubbish the other 3 produced

118. The Observer - April 8, 2012

I, too, am on disability and managed to donate.

119. Al - April 8, 2012

One problem is that nobody on the show is really either good looking or characterful looking. Too pudgy, too lumpy, too bland

120. Hugh Hoyland - April 8, 2012

I’m interested in what FX program is used for the special effect shots.

Will give a review of “The Child” after I finish watching, but from what Ive seen up to now, so far so good! :)

121. SuperBat - April 8, 2012

The only criticism I’m going to mention is that Cawley STILL has the facial mannerisms and expressions of Ace Ventura/Jim Carrey.

C’mon, man. Excise that from your soul and channel some Shatner instead.

122. Michael Hall - April 8, 2012

@ 120–

Not to speak for anyone in the production, but from what I’ve read and seen firsthand Maya and Lightwave have been used to create elements for the space shots, while compositing software like After Effects and Nuke is used for motion graphics work, phasers, mattes, etc.

123. MJ - April 8, 2012

Let’s face it, it is Cawley’s baby, and he wants to play the main guy, Kirk. In a perfect world, he might step back from that a bit, and find an actor who would be a better fit for it. But this is literally “his ship”, and if he wants to be the Captain, then he’s going to be the Captain, so there is not really much a point in hoping for a change there.

I mean, hell, if I was running that production, I’d probably put myself in the Captain’s chair as well…who wouldn’t want to be Captain Kirk?

124. MJ - April 8, 2012

@122. Michael Hall, I trust you opinion on visual effects. The dead bodies that Dexter dispatches of on your show are really realistic, so I really trust your opinion on this.

125. Patty Wright - April 8, 2012

@121 – interestingly enough, when James DOES “channel Shatner” it’s when we get the MOST complaints. An actor has to make the character his own, or he’s just an impersonator. I don’t think anyone wants to watch any TOS show where the Captain just struts around pretending to be Shatner. There is only one Shatner – that would come off as a parody.

126. Quatlo - April 8, 2012

I predict that young actress will have a successful acting career if she chooses to pursue it. She stole this episode. The camera lens likes her and the feeling seems to be mutual.

The actors who portrayed Scotty and Spock did good also.

Some friendly critique: They could easily lose the Peter Kirk and Xon characters as they only serve as window dressing and add way too much extra story that gets in the way of the plot – or vice versa.

Nearly the entire cast (with the exception of the young actress) would benefit immensely from some volunteer pro hair stylists or barbers and some physical conditioning. Cawley’s synthohair should be donated to a Nashville museum.

The cut-in closeup shots on the bridge between Kirk & Spock had noticeably different lighting and Spock bang length.

Darren’s main view screen graphics were sharp and detailed – too much so, actually. Toning down the crispness just a tad would add realism. Remember how great Lee Cole’s screen graphics were in STTMP. They beat anything else other than some of the “2001: A Space Odyssey” stuff.

Lastly, lay off the dad-gum red alert sound effect – please. It is one of the worst Trek artifacts of all. Nobody could function with that blaring air raid siren blasting away. I know it is symbolic to TOS, but some details can be upgraded or at least toned down.

All that matters is the end product was good enough to make it go by fairly quickly and nearly cringe-free. It is the best Cawley product to date IMO.

Good job and thanks to all for your efforts and care that went into the production.

Lastly, to 101 and 92 – excellent commentary.

127. SuperBat - April 8, 2012

Patty, I’d rather a Shatneresque performance to what Cawley is doing now.

As for wanting to play Kirk, I’d absolutely want to were I in charge of a production like this.

However, I love the character of James T. Kirk more than my own need to play him or my own ego. So I’d either:

A) get some acting lessons

B) find someone who can do the job better than I can.

128. DeShonn Steinblatt - April 8, 2012

I’m amazed how many trekkies are on disability or otherwise unemployed. Seems half the fanbase is completely dependant on the Democratic party.

129. MJ - April 8, 2012

@128. Well that certainly beats being dependent on the other guys…you know, the ones who laugh at public gatherings about sick people who need being taken care of.

130. Pony Horton - April 8, 2012

@128, Maybe one major reason so many of us are on Disability is that most of us are grandparents, or at least old and creaky enough to be.

Sad fact is some of us develop severe health problems as we age.

131. AnotherScott - April 8, 2012

I think this was an above average episode for the series.

About the lighting, yeah, I tried increasing the brightness on my screen a couple of times. Simulated day time or night time may prompt different lighting, but there’s no reason for anyone to be working in the dark. Most of us don’t keep our rooms dimly lit at night! It just made it difficult to watch. And sometimes it really does look like an error. Like, what’s the black blob in the lower left of the frame at 14:00? In general, in any video production, we typically expect to be able to see everything clearly unless it’s an exterior night scene.

As for the acting, it was a mix. I think the captain and the doctor (who may be the only ones who have been with it since the start?) have made significant strides. They used to bug me a lot, and now hardly ever. ;-) In fact, I think much of their work now is actually quite good.

I think Chekov was particularly good in this episode, consistently natural yet still full of personality. I was also largely impressed with the young girl, who seems much better than your typical child actor.

(As an aside to another commenter, I had no problem understanding Chekov at all. But some of the nurse’s lines were difficult, or even a complete mystery.)

Sometimes “bad acting” can be hard to pin down, it’s just a sense of something unnatural, sometimes in a line reading, sometimes in a mere facial expression. Or even just the ability to generate empathy from a general sense of likability, which seemed a bit lacking in the Isel character.

But since someone asked for specifics, I’ll go for some of the low hanging fruit here.

8:38 “Sir, it’s a baby” was a poor acting choice IMO, in that the tone was not one that would be used to address the Captain, there should have been some hint of deference to authority in the delivery. It doesn’t help that, for some reason, it sounds like she stomped her foot when she said it. ;-) But even apart from that audio quirk, it came off as an inappropriately argumentative whine that I found distracting.

Although I liked much of Spock’s acting, I found his articulation weak at times. i.e. “trust and nurture an infant” at 8:45. And especially in the big description of the vessel starting at 13:40 including “shell surrounding a field of” and “analogous to dark matter” (try to hear the word “to” in that one, then imagine Nimoy saying it). Bits of “the detectable wavelengths” get kind of swallowed, even more the case with with “there appeared to be some in that cloud.” Nothing deadly there, but the sum total of all of it made it a bit hard to follow in real time. And that continued, with phrases like “exactly duplicates the alloy of our hull,” I found “alloy of our hull” hard to get (and there appeared to be no T in “exactly”). Then he talks about “a controlling life form that our sensors are failing to detect” but you never hear the word “our.” It comes out like “thattuh sensors.” A bit later, “it has made no hostile gestures” comes out more like “id as may no hostile gestures.”

Part of this is, I think, I’m expecting to hear more formality *especially* from a Spock, and this one tends to sound kind of casual. Even things like saying “sesERs” instead of “senSORs” contribute to that, I think. We expect, if anything, a heightened clarity from Spock, indicative of the precision of his mind.

(Vulcan Xon was similarly sloppy in his articulation when he suggested “a mind meld with Iurska.”)

The doctor seemed to garble a line at 12:30 as well. Either he was saying “in an unsuspecting host” or “in unsuspecting hosts” and I can’t tell which. This kind of thing sounds minor, but like I said, I’m going for the low hanging fruit, and the first rule is articulation. It takes the viewer out of the moment if he’s not sure what he heard.

At 8:50, when Kirk says “it’s not just human nature we’re talking about here, it’s Deltan nature as well,” i think that based on the distinction being made in the thought, the first utterance of the word “nature” should not have been so overly emphasized. Yes, this is absolutely a tiny nitpick… but it was enough to jar me when I heard it spoken. It struck me as a dissonance between the intent of the words and their delivery. Another minor nitpick but one that jarred me at the time… at 12:30, he says a sentence with the word “almost” twice, which sounds like a messed up reading that should have been corrected. But maybe that was something in the script that managed to get through.

At 18:15, I don’t know what the navigator says. “And how is the beautiful Irish good today?”

Anyway, this is already too long. My point is, even before you get to great acting, you should at least deliver the lines clearly and coherently.

And I only wrote that because of the request for some specifics. All told, I really did enjoy the episode. Far better than “Blood and Fire” though not as good as the one with George Takei which remains the high water mark.

132. MJ - April 8, 2012

@127. DeShonn, you hit the nail on the head. I was trying to indirectly say what you said in my earlier post, but now that you have put in squarely in the open I would have to say I agree with you that Cawley in the lead is just not cutting it as Kirk, and this is an ongoing issue with the production. The guy should be commended for bring Phase II to us fans, but now perhaps would be a great time for him to step back and let a better actor take on the role of Kirk. Taking that step would be the ultimate expression of his goal to improve the show, wouldn’t it?

133. MJ - April 8, 2012

In my post @131, I was actually responding to Superbat, not DeShonn. Sorry folks for any confusion there.

134. "Check the Circuit!" - April 8, 2012

I have to admit I get a kick out these episodes. The production values are staggering. It looks like it was shot in 1970, down to the lighting and evolving hairstyles.

Some suggestions:

Keep pushing on the acting. Peter Kirk and the mother felt the most relaxed and natural to me. Daughter was pretty decent too. As newer additions to the cast, maybe there is a better casting process now? John Kelley seems to be the most improved of the established cast. Wish James Cawley relaxed a bit more throughout. When he has to become “intense” Kirk, he’s forcing grimaces and sneers.

Give Xon and Peter Kirk haircuts. Can’t imagine the current styles meet regulations.

Put some carpeting down on the bridge. Might help with echo AND stop the floorboards from squeaking. (Everytime time someone takes a step, it drowns out the dialog.

The Music Editor does a really good job 90% of the time. But watch the overly dramatic “stingers.” They were cheesy in 1967 and they’re somehow worse today.

Just my two cents…and worth every penny. Looking forward to the next episode.

135. Hugh Hoyland - April 8, 2012

122 Michael Hall

Ah thanks, not really familier with those programs. Will check em out though.

136. Michael Hall - April 8, 2012

Well, it’s a big, big subject. Have fun.

137. Rob Rostad - April 8, 2012

I think that Cawley is great as Kirk. He’s obviously a leader and seems to be a pretty charismatic guy in life, and it shows in his portrayal. He’s solid. The new Spock is fantastic, if a bit understated and glum. Much better than either of the other Spocks. After WEAT just I can’t get behind the new Sulu. He’s not great, and frankly, the previous actor won me over during that scene where Sulu’s daughter from Caliban got to see her father as a young man before she died…Fantastic. They should have called the new actor Running Bear…

138. Rob Rostad - April 8, 2012

An earlier comment suggested that maybe John Kelly’s coming back to the role of McCoy after Mind Sifter…Can anybody confirm this?

139. DWNicolo - April 8, 2012

Great job Phase 2, keep on keeping on.

140. Shilliam Watner - April 9, 2012

Not my cup of tea, but wow, these guys really work hard on this thing. Some of you are pretty hard on these people. If it’s not for you, fine. It’s not for me, either, but I’m not about to bash them for not being professional quality when we’re talking about a fan production here. You can’t measure them against big budget, well-casted Star Trek. That’s unfair.

I recognize that they did a great job. What a lot of hard work! I say bravo!

141. Tobias Richter - April 9, 2012

@120 – I did the outer space scenes and the light entity scenes. Those were done using Maya for the 3D part and Fusion for compositing. The transporter effects and most of the set extensions were done by Pony – I think he is using Lightwave for 3D and Aftereffects for compositing.

142. captain_neill - April 9, 2012

Congratulations on another excellent production.

The Phase II fan films really succeed in capturing the feel and universe of TOS.

143. Red Shirt Diaries - April 9, 2012

Another vote here for going a different direction with Kirk. Cawley should be commended for getting things going here as the first Kirk on Phase II, but it is time to bring in a better actor to play Kirk now, with Cawley directing and producing the whole operation — which is his strong point, no doubt.

Tobias and Pony — awesome job on the special effects!

144. Nick Cook - April 9, 2012

@ 131. AnotherScott

I tip my hat to you Sir. This is the sort of discussion I want to see about the acting. Much more helpful than the flyby “acting sucks” comments.

145. SpocksBrain - April 9, 2012

These guys need to raise more money so they can hire decent actors. The actors here are terrible!

146. Duane Boda - April 9, 2012

WOW….that was a very good episode.

The story was well told and very thoughtful

in how it unfolded and told. It was superior

in all respects (acting could be stabilized)

The alien ship was quite unique in its design.

Young lady who was suppose to be the alien

child was very charming and it was a nice added

touch at the end when she came back to say goodbye.

147. denny cranium - April 9, 2012

Despite some of the comments regarding the episode its still better than some of the 3rd season eps

148. AnotherScott - April 9, 2012

re: msg #137 “I can’t get behind the new Sulu.”

Was the navigator supposed to be Sulu? Wow, I completely missed that. They never said his name (that I noticed, anyway), so I figured Sulu was off with Uhura somewhere. ;-)

Just checked the credits, yup, Sulu. Boy, to me, he didn’t read as Sulu at all. In fact, I half expected the guy who was in the Captain’s chair at the opening to not survive the episode, except it was the guy then in the nav position who had the red shirt.

This Sulu read more to me as a character closer to Kevin Riley.

Sulu seemed inappropriately at ease here. No one but Kirk should even *consider* treating that seat so casually, and I think Sulu wouldn’t make that “mistake.” It is a position of honor, and it is also important that its non-Kirk occupant communicate his authority (and his respect for the position) to the others on the bridge, even in his body language, and I feel Sulu would have displayed that sense of command. The Bernstein character was not treating him with the proper respect, but neither was Sulu’s demeanor demanding of it.

I also don’t buy Sulu’s lackadaisical attitude toward the anomaly, but he was somewhat hemmed in by the writing there. In fact, that’s why it made more sense to me thinking this wasn’t Sulu, because I felt Sulu would not have behaved as this character did. My thought was that the writer made it not-Sulu so he could get away with making him a bit of a screwup. (Besides, it’s night, Kirk is sleeping, and we know that Sulu is generally on the same shift as Kirk, we’re seeing the “night shift” here.) The opening bugs me more now that I know it is indeed supposed to be Sulu and not some jerk who got lucky. At a minimum, the actor could have seemed to be giving his options more serious consideration than he appeared to be giving them, and maybe then it would have played as more Sulu-like.

(p.s. — and thanks for the compliment, Nick!)

149. Patty Wright - April 9, 2012

Given the reactions we get to replacing somewhat “minor” actors like Sulu and Chekov, I can just imagine what a nuclear storm of crap would explode if we announced that we have re-cast Kirk.

I am always amazed at how people on the internet almost never consider the person they are talking about may actually read their posts, and if they do consider that they still say things they would never say to a person’s face. I’d like to see ONE of you walk up and have the balls to say “James, dude, you suck…quit already!” You wouldn’t, because it’s simply rude and simply bullying. Yes, you guys that say that are bullies, nothing else. “I’d like it if you relaxed more” is constructive.

Constructive, okay. Bullying should NOT be allowed on any page of the internet – discussion threads, forums, blogs, etc. It’s time it was stopped. Not only kids are bullied, adults are too. Just read this thread.

And I am certain that I speak for the entire Phase II production group – cast and crew – when I say IF James ever did cave to you bullies and re-cast the role, he’d be filming the new guy sitting in the Captain’s chair alone. Because when James steps down from playing Kirk, the cast and crew likewise step down from working on the production at all.

He’s not Shatner, it’s true – but he is Kirk. On the ship and in real life. And that is probably why he has a production crew that would bail without him on screen, which Shatner could never claim.

150. Daoud - April 9, 2012

Patty…. it’s okay! Breathe! :)
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James is enjoyed by all of us who know the full story of ST:NV and ST:P2 from way back years ago to now. Has it been about 10 years now? Wow. Before long, there will be another fan production with a different yet familiar face portraying Kirk and people can compare. I think that the Cawley series will shine far and above any others in the long run.
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Of course I wish James wouldn’t scrunch up his face with “grit and determination” quite the way he does… but he is consistent in it! :) And if someone watches *all* the episodes from 0, 1, 2,…. and then watches The Child, I think the conclusion is James delivers a very consistent version of Kirk. Some people don’t like it though. Just because they’re boisterous about it doesn’t make them bullies. They can’t do any injury emotional or physical to James. He’s solid.
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Let’s save calling people “bullies” for true physical, emotional, and verbal abuse. If someone delivers childish, mean-spirited criticism, that’s what it is. Read the review of Broadway plays ever? There is no law requiring constructive criticism. At least not yet. Let karma take care of those folks.

151. Destructor1701 - April 9, 2012

Why is Chekov in red now?

Another fantastic episode.

I felt the writing and characterisation stumbled badly in “Enemy: Starfleet”, although the effects were astonishing.

But they are back on form here. While the resolution didn’t move me as strongly as “World Enough And Time” (in my opinion the high water mark, so far – water that came from my eyes!), it still beat out pretty much all the rest of the episodes, putting it, I’d say, on a par with the Blood and Fire 2-parter.

I’m a big fan of the “Big Dumb Object” sci-fi trope, so the appearance of the cylinder really thrilled me. It’s design was _awesome_, and I loved how mysterious it was. As someone who was familiar with the TNG version of the story, it’s arrival was a big surprise.

I also really liked Xon’s unknowing Spock-baiting, and Stacey’s superb reaction – a palpable suppression of the *human* urge to snap back at him for what came across as a put-down, but was probably innocent. I’d love to see more scenes between these two, with Spock perhaps opening up to Xon as the only other Vulcan (as far as we know) on board.

We may be surprised… was Xon inspired to join the academy by Spock’s ground-breaking decision? Was there a rush of Vulcans on Spock’s heels? Would this explain the USS Intrepid?

Scotty’s accent has improved markedly, although there is still room for refinement. He was the most unbearable aspect of some earlier episodes – but in this one, he brought charm and warmth, and a few laughs… exactly as Doohan did. Fair play to the actor – who’s name temporarily escapes me.

JT Tepnapa as Sulu, although he didn’t have much to do in this episode, is unfortunately miscast, if you ask me.

I can understand if the previous Sulu (I refer to the actor behind young Sulu in World Enough And Time) was unavailable, but I felt he brought much more believability and pathos to Sulu – capturing his youthful exhuberance, stoic determination in his work, and his emotional depth effortlessly. An easy match for Takei’s stellar performance in that episode.

I’ve seen Tepnapa in other fan productions, and he is certainly an able young actor – fit for many a role – I just can’t see him as Sulu. Perhaps he will change my mind in a future episode, but I don’t think it likely. If there’s one piece of advice I’d give him, it’s… “Smile less.”.

Cawley has inhabited Kirk’s skin for so long now that I no longer see an Elvis impersonator on the bridge – I see captain Kirk… although I agree with others that he could snarl and scowl a little less often.

Doc John has moulded his own, totally believable McCoy. It has shades of Kelley, and even Urban, but it is his own interpretation, and that much more “true” because of it. I _loved_ his (Indian?) nurse in this episode. her accent was gorgeous, and I have always enjoyed the multiculturalism of Trek.

On that score, Kudos to Chekov for nudging Keonig’s rather characiturish accent closer to a genuine ruskie twang.

The story was nice, although I felt TNG did a better job of establishing the character of the child – giving more time to his gestation, birth, and development.

There were some plot elements I found less than believable – for example that the Enterprise would just cruise in space doing nothing for more than a week, cylinder or no cylinder.

Or that Isel could have known that the baby’s “Father” was “Pure Light”, despite being asleep. Ok, so Deltan mental abilities, yadda yadda, but then when she explains it to Kirk, he reacts as if the light-balls were common knowledge.

Despite these nitpicks, and one or two others (The Enterprise really didn’t look like it was travelling through the cloud at light-speed – although the visuals were stunning!), the story hung together well, and Scotty in particular served very well to endear Iirska to us.

I missed Uhura, but DAYUM! that girl who’s taken her post is good-looking. Network-TV good-looking! More of her, please. :)

Overall, I give this episode an 8 – solid. It needs at least a point between it and WEAT – which I consider one of the best Star Trek episodes ever made.

Well done, all! Keep it up. I hope Kitumba’s well-publicised difficulties haven’t left too bitter a taste in your mouths.

152. J.D. Fine - April 9, 2012

I think the Phase II cast improves with every episode. The special effects are wonderful. I wish the bridge scenes were not so dark and I wish the sound of people walking was more quiet. The crews steps are very loud. If they have the time they should consider voice over work to make that pesky echo go away. I wish they could produce more episodes because they are keeping trek alive. They are the best fan series out there hands down. Thanks so much James and crew.

153. Daoud - April 9, 2012

Chekov is now Chief of Security, hence red.

154. Chuck H - April 9, 2012

I just want to say a big ‘thank you!’ to the Phase 2 team. It’s great to have the opportunity to view more episodes of the original series, which I think ended way too soon. Your eye to detail on the sets & special effects are outstanding, and for non-career actors, you guys do a heck of a job. In fact, I think the acting from the primary characters (Kirk, Spock. McCoy, Scott) has improved dramatically. Some of the ‘bit part’ actors can get a little iffy at times, but I can easily forgive that. The scripts have been very good & I like your version of The Child much better than TNG’s. Keep up the great work & thanks again!

155. Thakin Gisdead - April 9, 2012

Mother Hen has spoken. No independent thought or commentary allowed, otherwise you are labeled a bully. Really? Why is the “mouth ” of P2 so angry all the time? Does it matter if James sucks or not? Does it matter if he takes acting classes or not? Does it matter that he doesn’t shave his side burns to be accurate? Does it matter at all? If you are having fun playing Trek, then go have fun.

156. Hugh Hoyland - April 9, 2012

#120 Tobias Richter

Ah okay, Maya I have heard of. Those FX are motion pic quality IMO so job well done.

As money is a little tight at the moment I usa Blender for any animation I do.

157. Alex Prewitt - April 9, 2012

While this particular story didn’t grab me like some others–TSAMD, WEAT, it was quite enjoyable. Nice direction–and terrific effects. Not so enamored with the new Sulu–but I will give his performance some time to grow on me. So happy to hear that Doc John is coming back!! Patty–for continuity sake–are you reshooting McCoy footage from Mind Sifter? No disrespect to the fill in actor–but John owns this role!
Great work people–I’m stoked for what’s coming up.

Alex

158. Shilliam Watner - April 9, 2012

149. Patty Wright – Online I think we call them “trolls” but I agree with expressing one’s opinion in a constructive manner. Like I said, P2 isn’t my cup of tea, but having recognized how hard you guys work on this, I’m not about to start bashing you. Not when I see clearly how much hard work goes into the productions. I’m willing to bet that any of the trolls here couldn’t do anything near what you guys are doing.

Try to ignore them, and to any of your cast and crew whose feelings are hurt by these comments, try to remember that those doing the hurting are more than likely angry, unhappy, unfulfilled people who possess an unhealthy feeling of ownership over Star Trek.

Be well!

159. wtriker1701 - April 9, 2012

@ The ever fighting the good fight Patty Wright and @ Everybody who even thinks “James sucks!”:

Calm down! Seriously, all, please, take slightly a step back!

Criticism, sometimes a bit harshly formulated or presented, is all part of having drawn attention, of having gone public with ones idea(s). It’s like the light that attracts the moth – it can’t resist flying into it.

So, Patty and all of Phase II’s Production Crew: You’ve done so far an AMAZING JOB by bringing out episodes that would have been lost to whatever screen they are presented, otherwise! YOU take the time, the effort, the love – and you just don’t do it for yourself – but you bring it out to the public! We all are extremely grateful for that, as we are also grateful for TPTB that they allow Fan Productions to be – well – produced AND shown.

So every outing, be it by Cawley Entertainment Group, Farragut, The Exeter Guys (Gosh, I’m excited to see their last entry [The Tressaurain Intersection] in full – as I think it represents the best Fan Production besides World Enough And Time)- everyone of us comes across one of those productions (surely not all of them… but with time…), and everyone has his/hers opinion about it. It might be enthusiastic, it might be desastrous – but ALL OF YOU draw attention – AND attention IS what you get. And I’m very grateful THAT you draw attention, THAT you go through the lengths of producing such endeavour!

So, when I said, I sometimes have the feeling, James’ going through the motions in some scenes, wherein in others he truly shines (with his OWN Kirk interpretation!) – it’s from an actor’s POV, where you might see or fail to see subtext being handled. That said, I know, it comes from being the proverbial Atlas, who carries the whole production on his shoulders! No matter, HOW much help he gets, HE’s the one in the center of all that’s being said and done – and sometimes one can realize it through his acting – where his thought seem distraught a little bit, or where he almost desperately doesn’t want to attract the audience too much so others can shine beside him.

So – at the end of the day, where critics shouted out loud, where people enjoyed wholeheartedly what they’ve just seen, where WE were given the chance to watch what otherwise NEVER would have been seen: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING THIS!

(And given, those shots were being produced 2008 and many others followed since then, we will all be there for the next wonderful experience under the name PHASE II – they are coming, and it’s a wonder – everytime!)

Oh, and one tip for post production of the next episodes: Is it nessecary to dogmatically follow a script when a professional writer/director is involved? If cuts could trim or tweak sequences – why not do it…? ;-)

This remains a love letter to all fan productions out there! Keep the good stuff coming! We are thirsty!!!

160. Kor the Klingon - April 9, 2012

Yes, microphone presence continues to be a challenge for the Phase II crew. And the footfalls on the bridge are louder than from the original series (that was always a problem then). It’s not just echoes that are a problem, the acors need to be closer miked.
Jon Povill did a nice job of directing, but I would have preferred a new episode rather than a remake of the same story we’ve already seen.

161. Michael Hall - April 9, 2012

” Yes, you guys that say that are bullies, nothing else. “I’d like it if you relaxed more” is constructive.”

Agreed–and if there’s anything I despise in this life, it’s a bully. Sure hope that my own very critical comments re “The Child” didn’t come across that way, since that’s the furthest thing from what I intended.

162. Captain Dunsel - April 9, 2012

I think the CGI stuff is getting a bit “cartooney”. Exterior space shots were muchbetter in previous episodes. Other than that great effort!!!! I also agree with Anthony on the ambient sound problems on the bridge set-plus the sound of the lift doors closing shut is very cardboard sounding (should have been muted).
Keep up the great work!!!

163. MJ - April 9, 2012

@159 “So, when I said, I sometimes have the feeling, James’ going through the motions in some scenes, wherein in others he truly shines (with his OWN Kirk interpretation!) – it’s from an actor’s POV, where you might see or fail to see subtext being handled. That said, I know, it comes from being the proverbial Atlas, who carries the whole production on his shoulders! No matter, HOW much help he gets, HE’s the one in the center of all that’s being said and done – and sometimes one can realize it through his acting – where his thought seem distraught a little bit, or where he almost desperately doesn’t want to attract the audience too much so others can shine beside him.”

Exactly, which is why Cawley should probably take a step back, continue as the great creator of this Enterprise that he is, and bring in another actor to play Kirk in a non-distracted fashion. There would be no shame in that! Hell, he’s the modern online Rodenberry to me — he doesn’t need to play Kirk anymore!

– Best Regards, MJ, multiple-time donor to the Phase II Project

164. MJ - April 9, 2012

@149 “And I am certain that I speak for the entire Phase II production group – cast and crew – when I say IF James ever did cave to you bullies and re-cast the role, he’d be filming the new guy sitting in the Captain’s chair alone. Because when James steps down from playing Kirk, the cast and crew likewise step down from working on the production at all.”

Wow, I am really sorry and disappointed you all feel that way! :-(

165. Shigg 'Ole Bitt - April 9, 2012

The novelty of this has really worn off now hasn’t it.

166. Simon - April 9, 2012

I think this script demonstrates one weakness of TOS: the lack of strong female leads/regulars. The fact that it was happening to crewman “x”, someone we have never met before and will probably never see again, never lets us fully vest our emotions with the character. Contrast this with the TNG version and Deanna Troi. We knew Troi, we liked her, and as an audience we felt her pain (empathic pun intended) at the end when Ian sacrificed his human form and left her. With TOS we pretty much had Uhura and that’s it, and we really never got to know her very well. Rand was gone after the first season and Chapel popped up every now and then, but they weren’t part of the regular cast.

167. Michael Hall - April 9, 2012

Personally, I think Cawley does quite well by the role at this point. He’s a pretty charismatic guy in person, and that manifests in his take on the character. I most like the way he emphasizes Kirk’s compassionate side, which comes off particularly well in the scenes where he’s dealing one-on-one with another crew member. (His talk with Isel where we learned more than we ever knew before about Deltans was, IMO, the best thing about “The Child.”)

What’s amazing to me is the attitude of certain individuals that Cawley has some sort of obligation to step down from the role for what they consider to be the good of the project, and that he might well consider doing such a thing based entirely on their opinion of his performance as Kirk. In the end, it’s his particular take on a character which will always be associated first and foremost with one particular actor, and rightfully so. But it’s no less valid an interpretation than, say, Chris Pine’s, or even Kevin Pollack’s for that matter. :-)

168. MJ - April 9, 2012

@166 “In the end, it’s his particular take on a character which will always be associated first and foremost with one particular actor, and rightfully so. But it’s no less valid an interpretation than, say, Chris Pine’”

You are joking, right? There is nothing wrong with amateur actors, of course, but comparing them to established A-list actors is an unfair comparison. If you go down this road, you are only setting up Cawley for more critiques, and I don’t think that was your intention here.

169. PoppySpocky! - April 9, 2012

The acting is terrible.

170. Shilliam Watner - April 9, 2012

166. Michael Hall – Your point about people asking Cawley to step down is a great one. Like I said above, too many people have a strange sense of ownership over Trek. Their angry and reactionary comments illustrate this. I can’t imagine getting so bent out of shape over a fan production. I didn’t pay to see it, I had no expectations. In the end, it didn’t work for me, but I certainly wouldn’t get angry about it.

171. MJ - April 9, 2012

@169. Speaking for myself, I am not angry. I love Phase II, and just made another financial donation to the production company. I made a couple of suggestions on how they might think about improving the production, but now I see a bunch of people frankly freaking out, getting oversensitive, and starting name calling.

172. Michael Hall - April 9, 2012

@ 167 –

Well, I don’t get the impression that Cawley particularly minds such ‘critiques,’ so long as they’re more substantive than “You suck!” and don’t self-importantly request that he step down from the starring role in his own production.

As for comparisons, with Pine it’s difficult because I’m unfamiliar with his other work and the role of Kirk in the 2009 movie was so poorly conceived and written. In fairness, my guess is that given a script which portrays Kirk as anything other than a self-involved arrogant ass, he’d probably do every bit as well as James Cawley. :-)

173. MJ - April 9, 2012

@171, Well Dexter, you get extra credit here I guess for making this more about your boring never-ending slamming of Trek 09…I wouldn’t have expected anything less from you…keep up the good work!

174. Sebastian S. - April 9, 2012

#149. Patty

First a thanks to you and the entire P2 crew!
I really enjoy these VERY much! I am always looking forward to the next episode. It continually amazes me what you guys come up with. And your production values continue to impress. I think it’s cool that the uniforms are at that ‘transition point’ between TOS and the original 1976 aborted Phase II television series. Nice bit of continuity. You guys don’t miss a detail (right down to Xon’s long wavy hair and Chekov’s red security uniform, indicating his rank change in ST-TMP).

And regarding James Cawley’s Captain Kirk?
I like his Kirk. It’s the same way I feel about Chris Pine’s Kirk; it’s different, but the essential character is still there. IMO, Kirk is like Sherlock Holmes or James Bond. There are probably many way to interpret the role and yet still arrive at the same conclusions of the character. I’d personally prefer it if he did Kirk as long as he could. He’s doing a fine job, IMO. A lot of people who swore the TOS characters could never be recast ate serious crow after ST09. I feel the same way about STP2 (which is done solely for love of the game…).

I’m also very much looking forward to “Kitumba.”
Reading the synopsis (in the book “Star Trek Phase 2: The Lost Voyages”) it sounds like a Klingon version of Bernardo Bertolucci’s “The Last Emperor” (a movie I very much enjoyed). Wishing you and all of the P2 crew all the best as you embark on the continuing ’4th season’ of the starship Enterprise….

175. wtriker1701 - April 9, 2012

Not to be mistaken:
With all the things I said about James Cawley’s acting – I still think he is PERFECT for the role of James T. Kirk in this production, and he demonstrated that most of the time. NO NEED to step back from the role!

I merely, merely meant for the future productions of Phase II, that the team members around him should watch over his shoulder from time to time. I know, it’s not easy when you’re vitally engaged in a production, so there have to be people to take care and responsibility for others, who are engaged otherwise. And that doesn’t always mean, it has to be the directors alone.

It’s never an easy task to be objective, when you are engaged in a project. So sometimes it might be helpful to try to keep an open eye (and mind) during production, even if the shooting schedule is tight.

To be clear: James Cawley, you are (at least for me) the best TOS James T. Kirk out there besides William Shatner!

’nuff said!

176. Red Shirt Diaries - April 9, 2012

Just to be clear, for a fan production, I think Cawley is a passable Kirk, though his smugness and smart-alic types of looks irritate me from time to time when he shows that side of his portrayal of Kirk (whereas Shatner and Pine are good enough actors to make that seem charming, Cawley just can’t do that convincingly).

I don’t how though so many people above can illegitimately compare his talents to William Shatner and infer he is an equal to Chris Pine…that is utterly ridiciulous. Compare the performances side by side and you will conclude that Cawley is a credible amatuer/dinner theater type of actor suitable for fan productions (and very good at them), while Shatner and Pine are supreme actors who have mastered their craft and have the gravitas and “it factor” to play Kirk on the big screen.

Say he is a decent amateur actor and I will agree with you. Tell me he owns the role like Shat or Pine and you will have me laughing in the aisles — that is just not convincing at all, and it makes we wonder how many of the posts here are from members of the Phase II production team?

177. Patty Wright - April 9, 2012

150, 155, 159…… sorry, but “you suck, let someone else do the role already” IS bullying. It’s not constructive, it’s not thoughtful, it’s just plain MEAN.

And, yes, I will ALWAYS stand up to bullying – no matter who it is directed at. You think it doesn’t bother James the same way it bothers anyone that kind of excrement is thrown at? He’s not an android.

No one, including me, is freaking out. If you didn’t throw the knee-jerk “you suck” crap, I am not talking about you.

Actual criticizms, comments and thoughts are always welcomed – they don’t have to be positive. But they DO have to be THOUGHTS to be welcomed. I want to thank everyone who took the time to leave such thoughtful comments – the good make us feel like we did something with our vacation time worthwhile and the bad help us figure out what to do differently next time!

164 – if you are sorry and disappointed the crew would leave if James wasn’t playing Kirk, than you don’t understand anything about Phase II at all. Without James, there may be new TOS episodes filmed in that studio building, but it would not be anything like Phase II and we all may as well each go work for a fanfilm that is closer to our homes.

Including (176 no one is hiding their participation here) Brian H, Fez, Linda and Tony F, Gary E, Al H, Pony H and Nick C.

178. Tony F - April 9, 2012

There will be nothing filmed without James Cawley
at least you wont see me anywhere near the place
I am there to have fun with my friends…
James Cawley is the most important of them
(not to say I dont love all of you)
But James is the Captain of the Ship of the production of the studio
and anything else he wants to captain
Mark Strock calls him “The Boss”
and he is
so if the Boss decides not to open shop
Ill stay home.
Im there for him
and when he asks for something I dont give him stories or excuses why it cant be done..its done ….and he knows it…
No James Cawley
No Production
Ill be on STRIKE
untill he returns

179. Daoud - April 9, 2012

Patty, in #150, I said nothing terrible about James. I like him in the role, and always have. My comments were thoughtful. I do not like being lumped in with your impressions of what *others* said about James. I don’t like it one bit. It’s very pushy.
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Bullying is when someone ABUSES. No one is abusing James. I grew up with a major physical disability. I was picked on, I was called abusive names. I was bullied. I was pushed into a ledge and had a rib broken. I was kicked once and fell to the ground hard on the head. As a child, I suffered from being bullied.
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For you to compare someone saying James’ *acting* “sucks” to true physical, emotional and verbal abuse is not just wrong, it is IRRATIONAL.

180. Pony Horton - April 9, 2012

Daoud, while I cannot speak for Patty or anyone else at P2, I can say that while constructive remarks, even if they are negative, are important and do help us improve our work; but simply trolling the web and making baseless, hit-and-run, mean-spirited and snarky type of remarks that offer no real solution or well-considered observations, as some have done here, is not only a waste of our time as creators of the Work, not only is it incredibly hurtful, it also sheds a bad light on Star Trek fans, and all serious fans of media arts.

We come together from all over the world, on our own dime, to not only enjoy making our “own” TREK, but also as an actual, if informal, teaching facility that gives many young (or not-so-young) film making hopefuls a chance to make not only a semi-professional film, but a STAR TREK film at that. There are very few production units doing that today.

That so many feel the need to make remarks in a hurtful, snotty, spoiled-rotten manner that makes me wonder if they’ve ever been properly socialized at all with normal humans, is bewildering to me, but most of all, it deeply hurts the feelings of a lot of well-meaning, earnest artists and craftspeople who give a great deal of themselves for nothing other than the joy of it for themselves and anyone who wants to watch.

Being truly constructive in one’s remarks is great, even if they are critical of our finished work. We rely on that, and appreciate it.

But the cowardly, sniper-style of trolling, baiting insults is, simply, bullying. The end result is that it actually hurts the feelings, and therefore the health (in some cases), of those it is directed at, solely to make the person making the remarks feel powerful and superior to the people they target.

That’s pretty-much what bullying is.

I agree that our shows have moments that could be better. Many people feel this way. Please tell us where we need to improve! But don’t blame Patty or others when they get sick and tired of anonymous cheap shots from the darkness.

Even though it may be just a little fly, if it keeps bugging you, it’ll eventually become nothing more than an annoying buzz. And eventually that buzz gets responded-to with a smack.

181. theevolved1 - April 9, 2012

I have yet to watch this episode from Phase II but I plan to watch it soon (excited for it too I might add) and I will return and post my thoughts later.

But after reading about 10 comments into this topic I became totally disgusted and felt had to say something now.

First off…. I want to say Congrats to the Cast and Crew of Phase II!!! Your work is always top notch and clearly you put all of your heart and soul into these episodes and it shows. Although I am only a recent college grad, I have had the opportunity to work on a few productions and I know the level of commitment it takes for these people to do what they do. So they deserve all the respect in the world because they are doing it on their own time and for no pay. And if I lived closer I would gladly give my time to help them because I believe what they do is amazing!

Secondly I just want to say that you people need to stop complaining… These people are doing the best that they can do. It seems to me that you are all forgetting that they are not doing this for profit. They are doing this with the best resources they have to work with. They are doing this to have fun and to keep the spirit of Star Trek alive. They do this out of their love for Star Trek and to bring entertainment to other fans. So try and remember that before you start complaining because I do not see any of you stepping up and trying to do what these people have done.

182. Greenberg - April 9, 2012

I’d like the Deltan chick to pleasure me with her boots

183. Greenberg - April 9, 2012

176,
are you daft? Pine couldn’t act his way out of a paper bag.

184. Ah, Forgive! - April 10, 2012

THANK YOU JAMES. Thank you to everyone who works on this. Phase II always brings a smile to my face.

To all the detractors: These aren’t Paramount employees. This isn’t their job. This is a small group of fans spending a crapload of money to have fun with their friends in their free time. Posting the footage online is just them sharing their fun with us.

I’ve loved everything they’ve done because it’s new, FREE Star Trek. If someday they make something I don’t like, I won’t watch it.

How people can justify firing off cruel insults at what is essentially a charity for trying to give people free presents is beyond me.

185. StPeteRickster - April 10, 2012

re:
“128. DeShonn Steinblatt – April 8, 2012

I’m amazed how many trekkies are on disability or otherwise unemployed. Seems half the fanbase is completely dependant on the Democratic party.”

That is CRAPOLA on so many levels.

First off, I was a die hard Trekkie DECADES before I got injured.

As for the crack about the ‘Democratic Party’ – No one on the ‘FoxNews is the New Bible’ side of the aisle seems to notice what the FOX NETWORK pumps out.

The vast majority of those cultural things you decry the MOST are being BLASTED out on FOX TV.

You all are being played, Rupert Murdoch is playing BOTH sides against the middle and quite brilliantly, I might add.

I am just smart enough to notice that fact and seek entertainment in other areas, such as here. And that was $10 CASH I donated, and for me, $10 goes a long way. That’s one less trip to visit a friend this month, but its a damn good cause.

This is NO PLACE for politics.

The one thing we can all agree on is we watch and enjoy Trek for the future without THIS BS, and we hope and pray that it may somehow come to be….

186. Daoud - April 10, 2012

Pony, you don’t need to lecture me.
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I’m a fan of everything the crew has done, and I’m a big fan of James’ leadership in making it happen.
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I have forgotten that in public relations, you’re also amateurs, too. I would gladly volunteer in that regard. Be a duck. Let negative potshots roll off your backs. Take what you can from the useful criticism here, and simply ignore the rest. For a few people to take shots at Phase 2 for acting here is in a public forum. It’s not like anyone is seriously trolling. If they were doing that, they’d be doing it on YOUR fora, on your website. Anyway, serious trolling is passé. Troll Kingdom petered out about 10 years ago during Enterprise’s run. For those who make a potshot, invite them to do better. Invite them to Ticonderoga. They won’t show… but if they do, maybe they will learn.
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And also…. what you’re doing isn’t novel. I was part of a fan film production from 1978-1981 that produced a 50-minute ‘new episode’ using an unusued real Phase 2 script. I’d have no problem with that super 8 mm baby being loaded online (if I had it–I’m trying to track it down) and receiving full face criticism. My Dr. McCoy was as good as I could make it. So, if a bunch of high school seniors and young adults could under the direction of a couple high school music and art teachers could spend a lot of our own lucre, raise money, build sets, shoot scenes, edit film, dub dialogue and do special effects in 1980, exhibit it to the public and laugh off any criticism… I think you can too.

187. patty wright - April 10, 2012

Daoud, I wasn’t lumping you in with them…I specifically said anyone who’s comments didn’t say “you suck” alone wasn’t being referred to. In my last post I was talking about the subject of bullying and referenced back to the people who had spoken on the subject, your 150 being one of them.

And on another subject, I personally like “complaints”! To me it shows the fans have come to hold us up to a high comparison standard and expect a lot from us. That’s a pretty heavy compliment in my opinion!

Thanks again everyone for your support and taking the time to comment. This episode had an added challenge of having a child on the set. That meant filming to 3 am and 5 hour turn arounds couldn’t happen and we had to have a licensed social worker on set to meet SAG rules. Ayla has been on stage practically her whole life but I think this was her first role with a camera. I personally think she did an amazing job in this and am impressed we managed not to drop any lights on her head in the process. For that matter, Zoe did a good job too and was quite the little trooper!

There was a beautiful dance sequence the director felt was integral to show the intense relationship between mother and daughter (kind of the love scene in The Enterprise Incident set to music). It had to be cut because it slowed down the action but, hopefully, it will be released separtely.

I think all the producers share the feeling that we’ve drifted from “big three” stories (perhaps because we’ve been using TNG and P2 scripts) and it’s been talked about considerably…probably inspired by James’ edict that our episodes are going back to that, as it pretty much defines TOS as a show. (The “big three” also defining their roles, starting with Kirk being the action hero) I’m not sure why, but this is one thing it seems difficult for modern writer’s of TOS to master. Very few of the submissions I get don’t feel like TNG with the names changed. It may be because the majority of Trek fans now grew up watching TNG or it may be because we as fans love the secondary characters so much we want to see them have bigger roles.

One consideration that fan films have to make is making it worth the actor’s time to give up paid work so it becomes a catch 22. Bigger roles than traditional TOS or lose the character occassionally. While most of Uhura’s screen time involved saying “hailing frequencies open” it’s not really fair to make someone take two weeks out of their work life to do that. So, unfortunately we have to make a choice with episodes like this…and, though she was missing from 14 TOS episodes we’ve gotten a lot of complaints she’s not in The Child. Again, that either shows people do hold us up to meet TOS standards or it shows fans just love the regular crew.

Speaking of which, while Arex was expected to take his post in this episode, he ended up not getting back from leave in time and we didn’t want to delay the release. He and M’ress are still on the ship somewhere so you can expect to see them in future episodes, like their fellow TAS crewman Walking Bear.

188. Pyroboy - April 10, 2012

Did you know Walking Bear loves Little Wagon? Wait…..That was Running bear! Sorry!

189. Fez - April 10, 2012

No that was Little Bear on Nick jr…. LOL

190. Red Dead Ryan - April 10, 2012

The people who work on “Phase II” absolutely do have a right to respond to the bashing that goes on here. These folks are people like us, not Hollywood elites. They don’t make millions of dollars, they PAY out of their own pocket just to feel the joy of portraying the next phase of TOS. They do damn good job in that regard.

And nobody here has the right to ask or tell James Cawley to step down. This is his production. If you don’t like his acting, that’s acceptable. I don’t think he’s the greatest either, but considering all the hard work and resources he puts into it, I can’t blame him one bit for sitting in the captain’s chair. I’d probably do the same in his position. And most of you would, too.

191. Rodney - April 10, 2012

RED ALERT!! You need to reinforce that bulkhead in Sickbay where the comm is mounted (at 13:06). It’s about to buckle! Same with McCoy’s lab table at 22:50. Good production overall, as usual, and entertaining despite it’s minor flaws. Sets and visual effects are top notch. I love the way the SFX team has updated the screen graphics on the ship. I don’t even have any complaints about the lighting, as I think it’s both more realistic and artistic the way they do it (similar to TOS). Prior episodes of Phase II even use the “light across the eyes” trick from TOS which I think is very theatrical.

After following this web series for several years I think it’s time for James Cawley to move on to a more natural version of Kirk and stop trying to impersonate Shatner. To me, the facial expressions and other Shaterisms take away from everything else and sometimes make all of this seem like a contrived way for a grown man to play make believe. He plays the character very well for the most part and his is still the best acting of the regular cast, although in this episode the guest “stars” were even better. If all the actors just try to play the parts as themselves with a small hint of the personality we expect from TOS then I think it would come across less as amateur impersonations. The most frequent complaint of this series over the years has been the acting, so I hope that they either get the current actors more training or bring in new ones with more acting experience. I’m sorry if this seems cruel to the current actors because I love that they have tried really hard to make an enjoyable product for Trek fans. I REALLY like Phase II and want it to get the respect it deserves and this can’t happen unless the acting is improved overall. If a major TV network were to produce a new series based on the TOS characters/era the actors they chose would be held to the same scrutiny so it’s not unfair to do the same with Phase II.

Some of the problem with the acting is due to the scripting. For instance, Scotty never used so many Scottish words/terms/phrases so please stop forcing it down our throats that he is from Scotland (i.e. “lass”, “wee bit”, “canna”). We already know that. Can’t he just talk with a “wee” accent? Again, the more natural the interpretation by the actor the better it will come across on screen, in my opinion.

I agree with someone above about the bridge dialogue, because it needs to be re-dubbed to remove the echo and make all the voices sound at the same volume.

This series has improved over the years and I appreciate that they take fan input and press ahead with producing even better episodes in the future. Long Live STAR TREK, in all its forms!!! I can’t wait for the next episode of Phase II and wish they were on weekly! Good job to all the cast and crew.

192. Tuvok - April 10, 2012

No offense meant to anyone here personally, but the over-the-top defensiveness from some of the Phase II crew, along with the near-religious devotion to James Cawley as the actor playing Kirk, rings to me like a distirbing cult of personality type of situation.I think some people were just honestly suggesting that maybe they recast Kirk, but the atomic-level response from the crew kind of floors me here.

I wish Phase II was more about Star Trek and less about putting Cawley in the captains chair. Cawley is the defactor leader of this, and should continue to be so, but for folks to respond with such hate to any suggestion that he recast Kirk reeks of overkill and is a rouge response. Phase II is James Cawley whether his plays Kirk or not, so this would not be a slam on Cawley to recast the Kirk role; in fact, it would show that he really wants to take Phase II to the next level.

193. Magic_Al - April 10, 2012

Well, I just hope nobody gets discouraged by criticism, no matter how appropriate or inappropriate some of it may be. In a way the negative energy could be as inspiring as the positive. The intensity is a measure of success. The prolonged lack of an official CBS series means some people see Phase II has having picked up a dropped baton. That baton is also a lightning rod. It’s actually an amazing thing, that a fan production is able to draw reactions that, no matter how hot or cold are probably no more so than some things Rick Berman or J.J. Abrams have received from time to time.

194. Azrael - April 10, 2012

No offense Patty but I agree also that saying James “sucks” is not, and never will be abuse. Now I don’t watch you guys stuff (tried to watch WEAT but I just couldnt get into it) and I appreciate what you guys do, insofar as living a Trekker dream, but when you say “I’d like to see one of you say that to his face” makes me want to do just that, simply because I can. I dont even care if James is reading this, heck I hope he does, you guys have been massively overreacting to minor criticism and bandying about the words “abuse” and “bullying” for no reason. The only people who have fallen under that catagorization are obvious trolls and shouldn’t be taken seriously to begin with.

There is certainly no law that says that “nobody can critcize James” and there never will be. Personally I hope you guys do well in the future, but dont challenge me to tell James he sucks, cause I am a$$hole enough to do it just for fun.

195. Dr. Cheis - April 10, 2012

It looks like they ran into an issue with distributing the High Definition version:

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We have previously distributed large high definition (HD720p) versions of The Child, as well as additional audio and video material, using SugarSync in order to handle the massive load on our servers (due to hundreds of simultaneus downloads).

Unfortunately, we have been instructed to cease using SugarSync as a distribution system as it requires a free registration:

“The files cannot be hosted _anywhere_ that requires a user to register to gain access to them even if that registration is free. We at Phase II cannot require user registration to access the episodes so we cannot allow a mirror site to have that requirement. This is a CBS/Paramount issue and as we value that relationship, we follow the rules they set for us without fail. We cannot allow the files to be hosted in a way that will jeopardize our standing with CBS/Paramount.”

We have therefore removed the SugarSync links from this site and we will be looking for alternative means of offering the HD content. We apologise for any inconvienience caused.
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http://www.startrekphase2.de/en/4x07_the_child.html

I anticipate months before this gets resolved. =\

196. Dr. Cheis - April 10, 2012

@195 (Me) Looks like fortunately that wasn’t the only HD mirror out there.

197. tom vinelli - April 10, 2012

I’m sorry , i just can’t watch this series. I tried, really tried , and i couldn’t do it any better , but the acting is just horrible, sorry guys

198. DestinyCaptain - April 10, 2012

So, that’s Decker with the sunburst on his shirt???

199. Fez - April 10, 2012

Hey Guys, can’t we all stick to the Episode now?

Here are some great points that you guys may or may not have been aware of:

The non-dance sequence, which I have seen and is beautiful hopefully it gets released

That of course, ENSIGN Zahra is on duty and Kirk calls her Lieutenant several times

The TMP-Movie Era radiation suit were used as were the TOS Enviroment suits from “The Naked Time”

Future episodes following “The Big 3″ rather the ensemble cast approach (a la TNG, DS9….)

In future episodes, we’ll see Arex (i know he was supposed to make his debut, but maybe next time), M’Ress and Walking Bear (in Mind-sifter)

There is a starting point, and converse

Jaime Sanchez (Fez)
Star Trek: Phase 2

200. Fez - April 10, 2012

@198 Maybe….

201. Sebastian S. - April 10, 2012

I for one (speaking ONLY for myself) would hate to see the Phase II folks reading these threads get discouraged. Doing something this ambitious with no payment except audience gratitude and donations can NOT be easy.

I would just like them to know that I am a real FAN of these P2 episodes and sincerely hope no one from P2 is dissuaded from any future endeavors based on what they read here. Perhaps some on these boards have honest criticisms and I understand that, but I think one should bear in mind that when people volunteer their time and effort into a totally non-commercial artistic enterprise, it takes very little to be discouraged and the whole thing could just crumble into dust. It’d be very easy to want to quit something like this if you felt you’re weren’t being appreciated….

I can understand constructive criticisms but (IMO) comments like ‘so-and-so sucks’ is NOT constructive. “Sucks” is not a nice word; not something you should say to someone who is offering you something (not like a movie you pay to see in a theater). I think we could all afford to be a bit more polite and mature with our critiques and phrase them as if we were talking face-to-face with these guys. After all, the P2 guys are Star Trek fans just like us (and as human and vulnerable as us) and they are making these for us.

As these are all-volunteers, the acting will not be of big-budget motion picture caliber, but all the same? I appreciate these actors for who they are and what they try to bring to the table. After a while, I tend to lose myself in the stories anyway. And the gorgeous production values certainly assist me in that. It continues to amaze me that those sets, VFX, lighting and costumes are not studio-sanctioned…

So, to any of the P2 folks reading these boards? As a fan of your works, I’d ask you to please not lose heart and continue your mission. As Prime Spock said in ST09, “Do what feels right…”

Live Long and Prosper, guys! ;-)

202. lostrod - April 10, 2012

I’m watching it now. Really quite good.

My big question is why Crawley kept the Elvis sideburns for filming.

As dedicated as he is to Star Trek, why couldn’t he lose the burns for filming? A bit distracting.

Overall, I’m very impressed. Please lower the nit-picking on the acting a notch.

Regards.

203. Herb Finn - April 11, 2012

I have enjoyed each and every episode and they get better and better!

Hope another episode released this year.

204. Gary - April 11, 2012

I’ve enjoyed watching all the episodes and I am amazed by the production values and technical proficiency.

I didn’t care for this episode all that much, though, because I feel as though I’ve seen it before, if you know what I mean.

The bridge looked a bit dark and there seemed to be some audio problems there. But the acting is certainly better by the regulars, especially by JC. But, please, JC, stop grimacing so much.

If it weren’t for the 16:9 and top-notch special effects, I’d almost think I were watching a show from the 60s. It’s also clear that JC is not married, because no wife would let him spend the kind of money he (probably) does on his hobby.

I look forward to the next episode.

205. Mitch Kennedy - April 11, 2012

If you have to defend your work this much, there’s something wrong. The more I read from people representing P2 the less I like it. To date, no episode has been better than World Enough and Time. P2 seems stuck in a rut and while some things have improved because of new technology, most of it has not. And again, the more I read from the shows disciples, the less I care about this cult niche.

It would be better just to release your episodes, and ignore the comments. You obviously can’t deal with the truth, so you should just stick to your fan-cult followers on your own forum.

206. Pyroboy - April 11, 2012

202: Like every other Cast and Crew Member at Phase 2, We all have real Jobs. James real Job Is Performing Elvis. He Even performs during His “off Days” During our Phase 2 shoots. So……No Sideburns = No job = No Money.

207. Patty Wright - April 11, 2012

202 – these are not the “Elvis sideburns”. James won’t appear as Kirk with the muttonchops (since TSAMD). In fact, we filmed only one scene from Mind Sifter with him in it because that was an issue. (in that scene we covered the mutton chops with wax, latex and a lot of blood, because Kirk had been tortured for days. The covered sideburns actually added to the makeup, making his face look distended and swollen)

You are probably noticing that he doesn’t “point” his sideburns any longer – that is an attempt to show the transition from TOS to the 70s Phase II.

208. Thakin Gisdead - April 11, 2012

Whatever happened to this: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1796708800/buck-rogers-begins

oh yes, this is what happened:

Published On: Thu, May 5th, 2011
Featured Articles / Lifestyle / Splash Page by Brandon Jones / Television / Television News | By Brandon Jones
Gil Gerard: ‘Buck Rogers’ reboot is dead

In the age of remakes and reboots, a Buck Rogers project would seem like a no-brainer. Unfortunately, after speaking with Erin Gray and Gil Gerard, I cannot offer fans any hope.

“Buck Rogers Begins” was set to be an origin story as laid out in the comics, explaining how Lucas ‘Buck’ Rogers was propelled from World War I, into a future Earth in the 25th Century. Gerard and Gray were set to play Buck’s parents and Bobby Rice will be Buck.

“My daughter was set to be Buck’s girlfriend”, Erin Gray referencing her daughter Samantha portraying Madison Gale.

“The story begins in the early 1900s, pre-World War I and then continues to the modern time to remake the series”, Gray continued.

Gray cited “lack of funding” and “production savvy” as reasons the project fell apart. Gil Gerard wasn’t as kind:

“It’s done. Done. It’s the victim of incompetence.”

His harsh words continued stating that “The trailer is all to show of it. I don’t hold any hope for it.”

This is a long way from Gerard’s original comments when the project began: “This is the story I wish we had been able to tell.”

Buck Rogers appears to be stuck on the sideline as Hollywood cranks out superhero and sci-fi adaptations for newer audiences.

209. Patty Wright - April 11, 2012

Gerard left the production after filming for the first shoot ended: he has no idea what is going on, except perhaps regretting not having a bigger role in the “production” end of things.

A Buck Rogers Begins game was just released for ITunes about a month ago.

Kickstarter was not the right option to go with, and other funding options are being explored.

210. Mitch Kennedy - April 11, 2012

Wow, someone send that comment to Gerard – it’s a bold faced lie. How are you going to continue without Bobby Rice? Why are you perpetuating this charade that this project is at all alive. Hasn’t karma bitten you hard enough this year?

I maintain that after the stunt Cawley pulled with JJ Abrahms, CBS should put a bullet in your production.

211. Michael Hall - April 11, 2012

Wow, Mr. Kennedy. Seems like you’ve got a large burr there under your saddle, cowboy, or some particularly large axes to grind with your talk about ‘karma’ and J.J. (sic) Abrahms. What’s the deal?

212. Gary Evans - April 11, 2012

I do want to state again I wasn’t at the principal photography for TC.

I WILL state that Ralph Miller does a great job considering what we MUST have filtered. We have good equipment. The issue is a studio next to a busy road, at the foot of a long hill with train tracks 100 meters behind!

We get car, truck, motorcycle, train whistles, train diesel engines, train wheels on the track, noisy mufflers, trucks with big engines downshifting to climb the hill, Jake Brakes on the downhill lane, about 1,000 Harley bikes passing in waves and the occasional Archie Bunker toilet flush! That is the reality of “Quiet On the Set!” at the studio. Ralph cleans up the audio to a fantastic degree, IMO! Kudos, Ralph!

Sure Phase II would like to move to a quiet studio. However, on a muddy-water budget we can’t even afford a Muscatel studio, LOL! In that area a modern, quiet, heated, air-conditioned building would run about $14 per square-foot per year, plus NNN.

I do NOT relish the work to reopen the studio for the June 2012 photography.

Yes, Phase II makes mistakes – we are not perfect (and I hope we never are!) We are about having fun again, and sharing what we do with people – gratis. Constructive critiquing is great BUT we always know a certain percentage will behave like trolls. So be it!!! I don’t post much here, likely my last post regarding the Child. The constructive critiques have given me some insights which I appreciate.

I defend the crew and cast, imperfect as they may be, because I see the efforts and enthusiasm that goes into accomplishing the task NO matter how long it may take. They make the effort worthwhile with which to be involved!

We are New Voyages Phase II and, WE make Star Trek for the fun of it!!!

213. DeShonn Steinblatt - April 11, 2012

211.

And he’d really like to know, Mitch, because no one on the interwebs has a bigger burr under his saddle when it comes to new universes.

214. Patty Wright - April 11, 2012

210… Without Bobby Rice? What the heck are you talking about? Bobby is on board, available and raring to go…. for Buck Rogers, Phase II, Wild Wild West… anything we offer him. He can’t wait to come back, in fact.

And Gil is well aware he’s not part of the producer group. You are not making any sense.

215. Lostrod - April 11, 2012

# 210

What stunt are you referring to?

216. Red Shirt Diaries - April 11, 2012

@209 “Gerard left the production after filming for the first shoot ended: he has no idea what is going on, except perhaps regretting not having a bigger role in the “production” end of things.”

For example, like a person involved in the effort insisting to to play Kirk when they aren’t really all that great in the part? :-) Just saying!

217. Psychonaut - April 11, 2012

210. Mitch Kennedy,
“I maintain that after the stunt Cawley pulled with JJ Abrahms, CBS should put a bullet in your production.”

Mitch, what are you talking about, can you elaborate on this?

I did hear stories of a stolen tunic falsely passed off as an original series shirt…

218. Oktoberfest - April 11, 2012

The Phase II crew has done it again, the episode is wonderful. How cool is it that Jon Povill directed? I know that the Great Bird is smiling from on high. Hopefully, Paramount understands that this effort keeps the dream alive and stokes the fire, making us all want more from both James C. and JJ. Thank you!

219. Red Shirt Diaries - April 11, 2012

@205 “…the more I read from the shows disciples, the less I care about this cult niche. It would be better just to release your episodes, and ignore the comments. You obviously can’t deal with the truth, so you should just stick to your fan-cult followers on your own forum.”

Yea, the level of defensiveness and bullying is out of control with this group. Using the term “fan-cult” certainly fits here, given that the crew has basically threatened to shut everything down on Phase II even if Cawley himself were to decide to make the change for an better actor to play Kirk. This is fanatical behavior — they really don’t seem to want constructive criticism.

Cawley himself should post here to reign in his out-of-control crew. I don’t see him putting up with this type of behavior?

220. Red Shirt Diaries - April 11, 2012

@217 Psychonaut, you question of the stolen tunic lead me to this:

http://www.madwulf.com/OGAMCostume.htm

Wow, this is very, very disturbing.

221. Starflight Attendant - April 11, 2012

@220 If true that is beyond disturbing, it is downright criminal!

@210 and 217 Someone please answer the question from Mitch Kennedy and Psychnaut!

222. Psychonaut - April 11, 2012

http://www.madwulf.com/OGAMCostume.htm
Red Shirt, that’s a very revealing story…

It still doesn’t explain the “Stunt” with JJ Abrahms that Mitch @210 mentioned.

Although, this leads me to believe that there may be more skeletons in the closet and perhaps some bodies buried in the backyard as well.

223. Anthony Pascale - April 12, 2012

This thread is going off topic and getting personal and so I am just going to close it out.

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