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Did Leonard Nimoy Hint He May Appear In Star Trek Sequel? [UPDATE 2] April 27, 2012

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Celebrity,Nimoy,Star Trek Into Darkness , trackback

Since appearing in the 2009 Star Trek movie, Leonard Nimoy has supposedly re-retired from acting. However, while appearing at the landing of the Shuttle Enterprise in New York it appears the actor may have hinted another possible appearance in the 2013 sequel. [UPDATE 2 w/ video]

 

UPDATE: Video of Nimoy from CNN

 

Original story

Is Nimoy hinting at a return to Star Trek?

As reported earlier, Leonard Nimoy was on hand in New York today to welcome the Space Shuttle Enterprise to its new home. And in a brief chat with a couple of CNN reporters (via Airlock Alpha), Nimoy dropped a hint that he might appear in the Star Trek sequel.

CAROL COSTELLO: Could I just say that I admire you? And in the new Star Trek movie [the 2009 version] you had a very prominent role, Leonard Nimoy, and I enjoyed it very much. You’re fantastic.

JASON CARROLL: In fact, Carol, we were talking about that … [to Nimoy] Carol, Carol Costello, the anchor … remember we were talking about the new Star Trek movie. It was great, you did a great job in it. And we were just about talking about that just before … will you be in another Star Trek movie?

NIMOY: Uhh, we’re talking. We’re talking.  

This is a different perspective given by the actor who has said in the past that he has moved on and felt good that he had handed the role to Zachary Quinto.


Leonard Nimoy as Spock Prime in "Star Trek"

There is no video of this CNN/Nimoy exchange available online, but here is CNN’s coverage of the shuttle event with Nimoy’s brief speech.

 

Comments

1. numptee head - April 28, 2012

First last more news please!

2. El Chup - April 28, 2012

As much as I love the TOS crew, if Nimoy keeps popping up it seems somewhat disrespectful to Quinto since it won’y allow him to “comeof age” in the Spock role.

3. Basement Blogger - April 28, 2012

Last week, he had a “cameo” on Fringe’s episode “Letters of Transit.” a wild and emotional episode. He was frozen in amber. So he’s retired? I think our favorite Vulcan wants to keep up with William Shatner.

As far as a role, let’s face it. The subplot of bringing back Vulcan race is interesting since I’m guessing that man now is the big race in the Federation. Also, he could give advice on how to defeat Khan. Yeah, it’s Khan folks. ;-)

The evidence. They wanted a Hispanic actor. That’s sounds like they wanted to match Ricardo Montalban. The leaked footage showed Cumberbatch beat the daylights out of Spock. Choked him with one hand. Remember that Vulcans are stronger than humans and this human was stronger than Spock. Cumberbatch had to bulk up for the role and had his hair dyed black.

I’m guessing that Spock Prime will give his wisdom and end up saying, “Parallel universe (better term than alternate reality), Jim. What worked in my universe may not work in this one.” Of course, Khan could give up his day job of trying to conquer the world by becoming a male stripper. Parallel universe, Trekkers.

4. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - April 28, 2012

I cant wait to see you eat your words number 3 when its not Khan.

5. Spacecadet - April 28, 2012

well, maybe he will appear in another SERIES – in a pilot? i cannot imagine her really WANTS to appear again in a movie.

6. Basement Blogger - April 28, 2012

@ 4

I’ll just say, “I was wrong.” Hey, I’m not perfect. There is evidence to indicate that it’s not Khan. Cumberbatch had pointed sideburns. He seems to have wore a Starfleet undershirt. Could he be a member of Starfleet?

7. Lord Garth, Formerly of Izar - April 28, 2012

SHATNER

I wanna see him throw one last knockout punch

See him lately? He shed a bunch of weight, Someone gotta show Pine how to throw a punch

8. freezejeans - April 28, 2012

#7

Haha. Shatner does indeed look great, and nobody throws a roundhouse-style punch like he does. We do need him back for a REAL finale :)

9. simon - April 28, 2012

yes for gods name bring them back for a proper end of their saga…last movie was not ok as most of you say..pass the torch with respect ..

i want to see kirk teach how leadership is done …punch, flying kicks, proper sitting o captains chair..

10. Aurore - April 28, 2012

NIMOY: Uhh, we’re talking. We’re talking.
___________

Aurore : Uhh, I’m waiting. I’m waiting…

11. CmdrR - April 28, 2012

I would still like a voice cameo from Shat and Nimoy, but… seriously… any sizeable presence in the film would totally rip me out of the alternate timeline (and dis-suspend my disbelief.)

12. Aurore - April 28, 2012

I do not think he would get as much screen time as he did in the last movie.

After all , filming is to “wrap up” soon, and, Mr. Nimoy says they are merely… talking.

13. Landru's cousin, Dandru - April 28, 2012

I think it’s clear that Cumberbatch is NOT Khan.

He’s Joachim.

In this timeline, Khan died in stasis.

14. Landru's cousin, Dandru - April 28, 2012

Joachim:

http://jc1701.com/judsanscott_as_joachim_x.jpg

Cumberbatch:

http://trekweb.com/images/stories/4f053f3219311-1.jpg

Same face!

15. Numptee head - April 28, 2012

Cumberbatch is Gary Mitchell.
It all makes sense now, everything is becoming clear.

16. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - April 28, 2012

Me not trusting Airlock Alpha as any kind of a source aside, it would be nice if he had a nice cameo in the movie. Something related to building the Vulcan colony as a follow up to his Spock being in 2 places at once line. It’d be nice to see him have some kind of a brief interaction with his younger self. I’d imagine that young Spock would be interested in his older self and the knowledge he’d acquired through his experiences, and I’d think that Spock prime would be fascinated by his younger, alternate self.

If it happens – great, if not – come on DVD extras! I’d still like to see original/alternate cast interviews hosted by a certain someone. Yeah, I’m looking at you JJ. ;-)

17. Sheldon - April 28, 2012

Oh no, they sent the wrong Spock!

18. Gold Coast Rob - April 28, 2012

I guess this means the Shat might be back too!

19. Jonboc - April 28, 2012

Interesting…and why not, if Leonard is up to it and he feels the role, as written is worthy. It’s no surprise both Spocks now exist in the same alternate universe…if a good scene can some from it and it flows with the film I’m all for it.

20. Sebastian S. - April 28, 2012

I’m a huge fan of Nimoy’s and meeting him at Comic Con 09 was a great thrill for me, but I have an issue with his appearance in the next movie (if it even happens, of course).

It’d be OK his making a walk-on or quick, two-minute something, but honestly? The training wheels for the new cast came off in the last movie. It’s THEIR movie now; the ‘space; the final frontier’ speech now needs to be read by Chris Pine and not Nimoy. The powers-that-be really need to be careful with using any more TOS cast crutches….

But of course I continue to wish Nimoy all the best, and I think he’s great.

;-)

21. mr. trek77 - April 28, 2012

or a little cameo, like kate´s admiral janeway in nemesis :-)

22. Khan 2.0 - April 28, 2012

@20 – it’ll never be ‘THEIR’ movie..or ‘THEIR’ star trek like TNG as they are portraying the original characters. impersonating them if you will (like Routh did with Reeve in Superman Returns)

if the FX tech was available to make old or dead actors seamlessly young again for an entire movie (like it will be in years to come) theyd have made ST09 with the original actors…

e.g – a young ‘Twilight Zone’ era Shatner trying to chat up a smokin hot Nichelle Nicolls at the bar before ‘Cage’ era Jeff Hunter breaks up the fight…a ‘Cage’ era Nimoy in front of the Vulcan high council …a ‘Gunfight at OK Corral’ De Kelley talking to a young Shat in the shuttle etc

maybe in a few years someone on utube will do that

23. T'Leba - April 28, 2012

@16 Me not trusting Airlock Alpha as any kind of a source aside, it would be nice if he had a nice cameo in the movie. Something related to building the Vulcan colony as a follow up to his Spock being in 2 places at once line. It’d be nice to see him have some kind of a brief interaction with his younger self. I’d imagine that young Spock would be interested in his older self and the knowledge he’d acquired through his experiences, and I’d think that Spock prime would be fascinated by his younger, alternate self.

I so agree. I do hope their is a brief interaction.

24. Lostrod - April 28, 2012

More location shooting news:

http://www.onlocationvacations.com/2012/04/28/new-details-about-the-star-trek-shoot-in-northern-california-this-week/comment-page-1/

Regards.

25. Frank Jay Gruber - April 28, 2012

I have heard Leonard say “We’re talking, we’re talking” a few times over the years to blunt the disappointment engendered by outright denial. I vividly recall him responding to the question of whether he would direct another Star Trek movie after IV this way.

Perhaps we should not read too much into this until something more substantive is heard.

26. VOODOO - April 28, 2012

Nimoy and Shatner will close out Abrams trilogy with at least cameos…Mark it down!

27. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - April 28, 2012

I for one would love to see the Shat and Nimoy on the big screen as Kirk and Spock one more time.

28. Sebastian S. - April 28, 2012

22. Khan

Thanks for making my point.

In your post, you said Brandon Routh was just filling in for Chris Reeve as Superman? Well, older generations tend to say that Reeve was just filling in for THEIR Superman, George Reeves (from the 1950s series). And fans of the ’40s serials say Reeves was just filling in for Kirk Alyn….

You gave a textbook perfect example of what I was trying to say; each generation of ST fans (and more open-minded older fans) will come to embrace each new interpretation of the characters; provided they’re done well and with respect. Star Trek, James Bond, Sherlock Holmes, Superman, whatever.

I think the TOS cast did it their way, and the ST09 cast did it theirs. And I (for one) really enjoyed what the new crew did in the last movie and can’t wait to see more…

29. Trekker5 - April 28, 2012

#12,Aurore,hi how are you?! :) I would love to see Mr.Nimoy in another Trek,maybe their talking about him being in the next one. Which is like,1,000 years from now,but still. :)

30. GG - April 28, 2012

Bob? LOL Bob-O? Come out, come out, wherever you arrrre :) I suspect Bob Orci will not have any comments in this particular post :)

31. Milf lover - April 28, 2012

#22 Khan 2.0 – Now that is what I’d like to see & it will happen eventually!

32. Aurore - April 28, 2012

“I have heard Leonard say “We’re talking, we’re talking” a few times over the years to blunt the disappointment engendered by outright denial.”
__________

I was not aware of that.

In any case, in this instance, I personally believe that Mr. Nimoy could have answered that he would not be in the sequel. If, indeed, there was no chance of him being in it.

For, for months, after the sequel was released, he did not hesitate to state that he was more than ready to stop playing Spock. Going so far as to say “I want to get off stage. I do not think it [ playing Spock] would be fair to Zachary Quinto…”, or some such statement.

You are right though; we should not read too much into this recent statement. For now.

33. Aurore - April 28, 2012

29. Olivia.

How do you do, Olivia?

“I would love to see Mr.Nimoy in another Trek,maybe their talking about him being in the next one. Which is like,1,000 years from now,but still. :)”

We’ll see, my dear…We’ll see…

:)

34. drum-van - April 28, 2012

maybe he already filmed a scene during the ’09 shoot that could be used as a cameo in the future. just in case his health would not permit him to film it in say 2015, or whenever the 3rd installment might be filmed. for that matter, maybe shatner has as well. wouldn’t that make for an emotional close to the j.j. trek trilogy. that would certainly lend “logic” to the comment that he might appear again but technically still be retired.

35. Aurore - April 28, 2012

Correction. 31.

after the sequel was released = after Star Trek 2009 was released

36. Greg2600 - April 28, 2012

What apparently the ONLY TOS Trek actor they give a crap about is Nimoy???

37. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - April 28, 2012

#30. Bob Orci is in Hiding. Something about a Conspiricy here at Trekmovie.

38. Aurore - April 28, 2012

“maybe he already filmed a scene during the ‘09 shoot that could be used as a cameo in the future.”
________

As Roberto Orci would say…”Maybe”.

:)

39. VOODOO - April 28, 2012

It should be noted that Nimoy did not say that he would be in the film that is close to wrapping shooting. If he is in it, it would only be a cameo at this point or perhaps the coda of the film/after the credits as is common these days.

I wouldn’t be shocked if they are arleady looking at the third Abrams (and possibly last Abrams/ST film.

40. psb2009 - April 28, 2012

Notice how Mr. Nimoy has let his hair grow longer than the crew cut he’s been wearing lately- prep for a role?

41. alec - April 28, 2012

As Spock would say, ‘There are always…possibilities’. And if Star Trek 2009 is..life from lifelessness…I must return here..again.

42. VOODOO - April 28, 2012

Alec- I’m sure your a great guy, but that ^ sounds really dorky : )

43. jesustrek - April 28, 2012

en serio regresa Nimoy, eh Orci ? no hagas enojar al guerrero klingon que llevo dentro :)

Saludos

44. ster julie - April 28, 2012

“We’re talking” could mean a live chat via subspace, a pre-taped message, etc. (I’d LOVE to hear a list of things Spock Prime tells his other self to avoid, STARTING WITH THE S.S. BOTANY BAY!!!

45. Dr. Image - April 28, 2012

IMHO,,, he’s IN.

46. drumvan - April 28, 2012

just had a terrible thought. what if spock “young” has to watch spock “prime” die or be killed. maybe mr nimoy is, or has, filmed his death scene (again). the idea of 2 spocks living in the same timeline seems a bit convoluted. it would seem that they either need to “cut bait” with spock prime and not really speak of his existence or have him die or be killed to potentially heal the timeline.

47. Ol Pointy Ears - April 28, 2012

OK;

So LN Spock could be back somehow. I get that. Fine.

But WS Kirk would still not be back for the same reason as ST 11!

Unless they go to the Nexus or its the Emperor Tiberious alt Univs K.

Perhaps…
LN could do a new ST cartoon voice or ST comic in motion scene from in-between the movies.

48. NCM - April 28, 2012

2. El Chup – April 28, 2012:

“As much as I love the TOS crew, if Nimoy keeps popping up it seems somewhat disrespectful to Quinto since it won’y allow him to “comeof age” in the Spock role.”

I agree that Nimoy’s role should remain minimal, as I’m sure it would, but with Trek 2009, we have two Spock’s in one universe. To completely ignore the existence of he who ‘landed’ in the current timeline, and reshaped its future, at least in terms of the Federation/Romulans, etc…, would be odd.

Though I don’t expect the new movie to go into the details, it’s interesting to ponder what role elder Spock would play in the new U. Would he attempt to minimize his effect on this U, and be as tight lipped as a….? Would the Federation want to keep his existence secret–could they do so? What will the Fed. share with aligned governments, the Romulans, etc…, re: details of Vulcan’s destruction and the threat to Earth? Consider the concern to non-Fed. planets, knowing of such a scientist aligning with, possibly arming the Federation with advanced tech-know-how. Well, all of that’s for the books that I HOPE will follow.

49. Red Dead Ryan - April 28, 2012

Honestly, I can’t believe there’s talk of another Leonard Nimoy appearance. Don’t get me wrong, but I was expecting the sequel to feature the new cast only. It’s time for Chris Pine to be Kirk, and the rest of the new actors to transform into the classic characters. The new cast should be carrying the load now.

My fear is, should another Nimoy appearance happen, that the writers are using Spock Prime as a crutch because they have read some of the posters’ comments on this site bemoaning the new cast/supposed lack of respect for TOS, and are trying to placate those few disgruntled fans. Another reason could be that we’ve become so accustomed to cameos and passings-of-the-torch over the years that nobody can’t or won’t step up and say “it’s time to move forward”. One of the problems with Trek fandom is that we like to live in the past. Some people still want more TNG with the TNG actors, others still hope for a TOS reunion movie, even in light of the fact two of the main actors had passed on years ago.

Now, I still don’t think Nimoy is going to be in the movie. But if he is, its a little disappointing. The last movie was the perfect send-off.

50. VOODOO - April 28, 2012

# 47 Disrespectful? Give me a break. Anytime the legendary Leonard Nimoy is involved in a Star Trek project it’s a good thing.

I think Quinto and the entire cast did an amazing job and I look forward to further films with them…That said Leonard Nimoy is always going to be Spock and Wiliiam Shatner is always going to be Kirk. Their participation should always be welcomed

51. Red Dead Ryan - April 28, 2012

#49.

“That said Leonard Nimoy is always going to be Spock and Willliam Shatner is always going to be Kirk. Their participation should always be welcomed”

I’ll refer you to my post at #48.

52. Dee - lvs moon' surface - April 28, 2012

Hmmmmm…. Well, as far as I know… “Spock Prime” and “Young Spock” met a lot lately, during the period of the filming in LA… and Mr. Nimoy visited the Trek sequel set at the beginning of the filming… ‘m just saying… talking….

;-) :-)

53. Hanster - April 28, 2012

I was watching that interview live on CNN. When he said it I took it as a way of concluding the interview…I mean he was just giving the reporter a courtesy response…..almost like he was kidding.

54. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - April 28, 2012

Here is an Idea for Khan.
Enterprise Find’s the S.S Botney bay. Enterprise Takes the Bay into tow and leaves it on Citi Alpha 5 and does not wake them up till the last moment. Khan Wakes up and finds they have landed with no idea he was left there.

55. njdss4 - April 28, 2012

I wouldn’t mind if young Spock just got a quick video message from old Spock saying “Hey, things are fine here. Don’t worry about us.” It’d take 10 minutes to film and would be nice to see in the film.

56. ster julie - April 28, 2012

Hmm… #54. Sounds like a fic I wrote at fanfiction.net. The Vulcns have reorganized into clans/houses, and Spock has been put in charge of all the outcasts (those with genetic defects that might sully the gene pool). Spock Prime runs the house while Spock is on the Enterprise.

Dang. That sounds so lame.

57. Capt Crash - April 28, 2012

It could be that JJ has placed a “gag-order” on good ‘ol Bob-o recently b/c of the all the suspected leaked pics (not that he is responsible or anything) and stuff, keeping him quiet until further notice. It is my understanding that security is real tight on the set, tighter than the previous film.

58. dmduncan - April 28, 2012

ARE YOU KIDDING ME???

Info like this with nothing more just kills me. Makes me want to jump out of my skin.

59. The Unknown Poster - April 28, 2012

I’ve suggested before that this movie might end with a cliff hanger or tease for the 3rd one (perhaps the camera panning space and lingering on the Botnay Bay?).

Get Shatner and Nimoy back for the 3rd and make it an epic.

But production will have to commence as soon as possible. These guys arent getting any younger.

60. Fubamushu - April 28, 2012

I hate to use cliché Internet jargon, but holy OMG!!

I just watched the CNN video on their website with the volume muted. Meanwhile, I loaded up “Klingons” from the Search for Spock soundtrack and scrubbed to the 3:24 mark in the song. Hit play on the video and my iPod.

OMG!! OMG!! OMG!!!

It works so well. So ridiculously well. It is not perfect, and of course you don’t get to hear what Nimoy says, but OMG!!

61. VeratheGun - April 28, 2012

I very much want an update on Spock Prime and what he’s up to in the new timeline. It doesn’t have to be long, just enough to see that he’s okay.

62. Magic_Al - April 28, 2012

^13: There’s Joachim from Star Trek II and there’s Joaquin from Space Seed. The similar names suggest these were intended to be the same character during Star Trek II’s development, but as cast the actor who played Joachim doesn’t look like Joaquin, and without a sci-fi explanation was too old to have been born on Ceti Alpha V and too young to have been on the Botany Bay unless they had kids hidden somewhere.

63. Ivory - April 28, 2012

Red Dead Ryan #49

I couldn’t disagree with you more. Those actors are icons who would add to the project and would not take away from it in any way… The writers and directors seem to agree with me since they asked Mr Nimoy to return in the last film and wrote a scene for Mr Shatner that didn’t make the film because they felt it wasn’t right for the film. Who knows maybe they have a script where he could be fit in organically this time?

What a tip of the cap to all TOS fans (there would be no ST with out them) if Leonard Nimoy and hopefully William Shatner are brought back. TOS fans were neglected so long during the Berman era they deserve this.

64. Sexy Lady - April 28, 2012

Voodoo – I couldn’t agree with you more. I don’t understand how the new actors would be upset if those legendary actors returned one more time. Even casual fans would love it…I think it would be “disrespectful” of the younger actors to not want Leonard Nimoy or any of the other classic actors back.

Just my two cents : )

65. dmduncan - April 28, 2012

49. Red Dead Ryan – April 28, 2012

Honestly, I can’t believe there’s talk of another Leonard Nimoy appearance. Don’t get me wrong, but I was expecting the sequel to feature the new cast only. It’s time for Chris Pine to be Kirk, and the rest of the new actors to transform into the classic characters. The new cast should be carrying the load now.

***

I have never found any good reason to buy that argument.

The new cast is quite clearly carrying the load, and Pine in particular is doing a convincing job as young James Kirk.

If Nimoy’s reappearance is a necessary aspect of the story they are telling, then by definition, it would be a weaker story if he fails to appear, just as it would be if any other necessary element were not included, like SPFX or music.

If that’s what the story needs, then you do it. Plain and simple. And I had thought for a long time that quite a few scenarios would require Nimoy to appear again. So that may be exactly what’s happening.

66. Sexy Lady - April 28, 2012

# 63 ivory

I agree. That would be a wonderful gesture and they would add much to the film. I thought Leonard Nimoy was wonderful in the last film. I nearly cried when he came on the screen…So many great memories of these fellas in those roles. I would love to see them in their signature roles one more time.

67. Buzz Cagney - April 28, 2012

No, if they are going to keep finding room for Nimoy then they must also get Shat in. It’ll start looking like a deliberate snub otherwise.

68. Keachick - rose pinenut - April 28, 2012

What the hell has Khan got to do with this thread? UGH!!!

If Leonard Nimoy is going to make an appearance in this sequel, then William Shatner should also. Leonard already had his “day”. If there is to be another cameo, then it belongs to William Shatner.

Shatner should not play the older James Kirk, though. That would not make sense and confuse audiences. However, he could play an older Kirk relative – one possible scenario just popped into my head as I write this:

George Kirk Snr was inspired by an uncle who loved to travel the stars, perhaps working on a freighter or similar. However, it was lost and all the crew presumed dead. The young Captain James Kirk, on a routine exploratory mission, discovers that indeed his great-uncle is not dead after all…Consummate writers Orci/Kurtzman can take the idea from there, if they wish.

Chris Pine/Captain James Kirk should read the mission statement, “These are the voyages…” from now on!

69. Jack - April 28, 2012

49. “Now, I still don’t think Nimoy is going to be in the movie. But if he is, its a little disappointing. The last movie was the perfect send-off.”

Agreed. And they didn’t kill him off like Kirk in Generations.

It all seems just like these guys (Nimoy and Shatner) are either being polite to, or playing with, reporters who are asking the question…

70. VOODOO - April 28, 2012

Jack #69

What would Nimoy have to gain by being “polite” or “playing” with the reporters? That isn’t his style. If he was 100% sure he wasn’t going to be in this film or another ST film he would simply say it.

As I had stated in a previous post it is possible that Nimoy is talking about the third film in the series as he is clearly not a major player in the one that is currently shooting.

71. ST:EXP - April 28, 2012

Nimoy’s final lines of dialogue with Quinto in the movie…. that was some weird directing.

Didn’t seem like Nimoy’s Spock. He really seemed to rush out those lines and say them very unlike the way Nimoy usually plays Spock. It was very forced.

Also very weird makeup. I know it’s a much older Spock, but it’s only like 10 years past how he looked in Unification.

Why were his eyes so beady? No one else saw this?

72. Frank Jay Gruber - April 28, 2012

32: If Leonard had simply denied being in the next sequel, the CNN reporter might have asked why. That’s a difficult question to answer. If he wants to take the occasional voice-over job (like The Big Bang Theory), he will not want to simply say “I’ve retired”. Even worse, he doesn’t want to accidentally give the impression of being unwanted. Just as if he had said “No, I’m not directing anymore Star Trek films” after Star Trek IV, it would have raised questions. By simply saying “We’re talking”, he’s giving the impression that the lines of communication are open and anything is possible. It’s a truly efficient answer. My guess is the most Nimoy participation we will have in the next film is a voice-over, possibly of the “Space the final frontier” credo.

73. Yammer - April 28, 2012

Sounds like wish thinking from Mr. Nimoy. It would be a distraction to have him looking over Nu-Spock’s shoulder.

74. Paul - April 28, 2012

Its so simple really just get Nimoy in the currently shooting movie & he can easily pull Shatner with him as in this alternate universe ST Generations never happens it does not even need any real explanation Nimoy could just joke you were dead in another timeline like the I’ve been dead before Spock line from ST6.

Getting Nimoy & Shatner back together along with the other TOS actors for 10-15 mins of onscreen time would cost maybe $20-30m more make the movie perhaps 2.5 hours long but add $100-150m+ to the grosses.

Please can someone @ Paramount/Bad Robot make it so it makes perfect sense for you, us the fans & the movie overall TOS crew can have some minor interaction with the new crew they can solve something then hand off or come to the assistance of the new crew with no explanation in the final part of the movie when its looking like the new crew are really not going to make it through.

Imagine the response from the fans & the level of attention/PR/increased awarness. It would take the new Trek into a much higher box office level.

Or better still get the 5 remaning TOS crew back together on a TV special which ever so gently leads into the new movie like they did with ST6/TNG in 1991. The budget for TV would be slightly smaller shoot it in HD sell the Bluray/HDTV rights etc etc generate more hype/box office!!!

75. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - April 28, 2012

I don’t see a problem with a brief cameo if they have it. If they don’t have a cameo, then they should at least have a mention of the efforts in building the Vulcan colony in the film. That only makes sense to me.

William Shatner being in these films does not make sense to me, but I won’t go into that. And just for the record, once again, I have nothing against him. I’m still looking forward to Ms. Nichols being the computer voice if that happens, though. And again, Shatner (and Nichols, etc.) would of course be included if they end up doing the original/alternate DVD extra interviews, so that would be something… I just don’t see him fitting into the films.

I think that the “These are the voyages…” lines should go from Spock to Spock. Quinto has a better voice for it in my opinion, but if it ends up being Pine or whoever else, I won’t get bent out of shape about it. It’s just an intro.

76. Hermioni - April 28, 2012

If I may be allowed the following, personal remark:

Once again, it is this experience of a rather intense reaction of joy and excitement when I read through news items like the one above which truly guides me to a visceral understanding of the fundamentally different ways in which I engage with various portions of the Star Trek franchise.

In particular, my interest/emotional investment in the Prime Verse iterations of the TOS primary and secondary protagonists clearly does represent a matter of the heart. Conversely, my curiosity regarding the potential narrative developments and the possible extra-textual franchise management strategies connected to the Abrams et al. New Verse still equals a mostly intellectual exercise and thus qualifies as a matter of the mind.

77. Phil - April 28, 2012

@49. I suspect the writers know better….

78. Phil - April 28, 2012

Okay, Carol Costello is the most vapid reporter in the entire existence of TV news, so it’s not much of a stretch that Mr. Nimoy would tell her anything to get her to shut the hell up.

I would not be suprised if LN does some voice over work. JJ has demonstrated a willingness to work with people on cameo’s so slipping Spock Prime in in the background somewhere doesn’t take anything away from the movie. Hell, I suspect they would entertain the thought of slipping Shatner in somewhere if ol’ Blowhard Bill wasn’t constantly mouthing off about how they needed him to save the franchise….

79. VulcanFilmCritic - April 28, 2012

@ 71 ST:EXP. Mr. Nimoy is an old man now, and he has emphysema. His voice is a little reedy from time to time, and I’m sure he has some problems with breath control.

As for the hair, in ST 09, he didn’t grow it out into his usual bowl cut, but wore a wig. You can see him in a wig cap in one of the extras on the DVD. This time he seems to be growing his own hair and it’s back to his standard bowl cut. A friend pointed out that he even has tapered sideburns. I’m going to see him at Symphony Space in May, so I’ll get a better look.

As for the beady eyes, you may have noticed that he’s had, let’s say, “a little work done.” He had very deeply hooded eyes and with time those hoods had sagged so low, they almost obscured his vision. He’s had a blepharoplasty, obviously.

As for him coming back, I say, YAAAYYYYYYYY!!!!! Ditto if Mr. Shatner comes back, too. I would be so happy, and I’ll probably be crying in the theater (again) to see these two together.

Like I said, catch the beginning of “Reds.” Not taking anything away from Mr. Pine and Mr. Quinto, but the presence of Shatner and Nimoy in the next film would certainly lend an air of authenticity.

80. Phil - April 28, 2012

@74. Sorry, but that makes no sense at all. Nostalga is nice and all, but there is no way in hell you would get that kind of return on the dollar, and the film would be horrible on top of that. Not even sure why we are having that discussion, as filming is just about done.

81. Walter Kozlowski - April 28, 2012

He could be taking over for Magel Barret as the voice of Starfleet computers.

82. Lostrod - April 28, 2012

More on set photos of Spock. The story says he’s frowning but it looks like a sneeze to me:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2136621/Zachary-Quinto-scowls-set-Star-Trek-sequel.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Regards.

83. Gary S. - April 28, 2012

#82
I think that might be it .
Well played sir.

84. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - April 28, 2012

@#76

Hello, Hermioni. Thank you for posting. I think you bring up a great issue. Okay, so from my understanding of you post, ST09 didn’t make you feel anything. I can appreciate that as your experience. What I like about your post is that it highlights the fact that if one is in love with the originals (or a particular version), then nothing is going to replace that. My opinion is that nothing should try. That is why I like the fact that ST09 made a point of letting us know that these aren’t the Shatner/Nimoy versions of these characters with some years taken off.

Personally, ST09 is more a matter of the heart for me with TOS as the more “matter of the mind” based version. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with either experience, but there are some people (not you, I don’t think) that want to try to force the alternate universe into being the TOS-verse, which would make the trouble of having an alternate timeline utterly pointless.

Thanks.

85. Jack - April 28, 2012

80. Agreed.

This idea comes from the same file as the suggestion that they film that Shatner hologram scene and re-release Trek ’09, with the added scene, in theatres, with the idea that it would make a mint and excite people for the sequel.

The sequel will excite people for the sequel.

Not trying to be insulting, but I really think nobody (outside of here) would care about adding Shatner and Nimoy solely for the sake of adding Shatner and Nimoy. In Generations, there was something neat (in theory) about the generations finally meeting, but what’s the point of Shatner meeting Pine?

I get the nostalgia and how great it would be to see them in character again (even though we just saw Nimoy as Spock). But I don’t think even Shatner seriously wants this — he was just constantly getting asked it because it was an easy, obvious question (“there’s a new Star Trek and you’re not in it. How do you feel about that? You must be so hurt…”).

I doubt Batman fans are demanding Adam West, Michael Keaton or Val Kilmer be in the next Batman movie (I know, I know, Shatner was the first one to play the character).

86. Keachick - rose pinenut - April 28, 2012

Leonard Nimoy no longer has much of a voice. Sad but true – aging is a bitch.

Star Trek’s fantastic “Space, the final frontier. These are the voyages…” introduction were originally Captain Kirk’s lines. They then became the lines of Captain Picard for TNG. They belong to Captain Kirk (whoever plays the character). The captain gives the direction, says these words, not the first officer. Shatner was/is not the only one with a competitive streak. That’s always been as plain as day to me.

I never liked Spock saying those lines in any of the movies, including and especially Star Trek 09. That just didn’t make any sense – here you had the youngest captain in Starfleet on the bridge of his ship and then an old (and sounding it as well) prime Spock does the mission statement. What? Frankly, I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. Just so off – so not Nimoy/Spock’s nor is Quinto/Spock’s place either to be saying these words.

Bring it on, Chris Pine/Kirk!

87. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - April 28, 2012

@#82 Lostrod

THANK YOU!!! :-)

I think it’s a sneeze too. And I love the twitter comments! It looks like it’s time to start visiting Zachary’s twitter page again. How nice. He looks so good in that sleek black shirt – it’s just perfect. :-) I got a little giggle at “Steve Jobs approved,” but he looked great nonetheless.

The article also said that Shatner might make it into the film. Hey – if they find a way to stick him in, then I guess he’s in. So long as I get some good, quality Spock and Uhura, I think I can be at least content with whatever they do. Best wishes to all that are working on the film, and to whoever ends up having a cameo as well. :-)

88. Jack - April 28, 2012

75. Why would Quinto’s Spock recite the “these are the voyages” spiel? It didn’t make a lot of sense in the last one, apart from the handing of the torch. In Star Trek II it was because he was dead. If it’s anyone, it should be Kirk.

And, yet again, it would be great to hear the undiluted TOS version, without “ongoing mission,” “life forms,” and “no one.”

instead: her mission, strange new life and new civil…, and where no man has gone before — man is mankind, humanity, not just guys.

Hell, they kept the miniskirts, they should keep the “where no man” — “where no one” belongs to Picard.

89. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - April 28, 2012

Sigh

Okay, it made perfect sense for Nimoy to say those words. Quinto’s got a better voice for it to me, but like I said, if someone else does it, then someone else does it. Saying the whole “These are the voyages” lines has nothing to do with being the captain to me. All it is is explaining what the journey is about. I’m not going to get bent out of shape if Quinto doesn’t get to do it, even though I think he’d sound better as Spock doing it.

And Nimoy’s voice is still great, regardless… Aging is only a bitch if you let it be that, like the crankiness that seems to come along with clinging to those few blonde hairs that still might exist… :-/

90. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - April 28, 2012

@#88 – See post #89.

Thanks.

91. Bucky - April 28, 2012

Should the characters in the JJ-verse really run to Spock for an infodump every time they hit a wall with a problem they encountered and maybe Spock knows about it?

92. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - April 28, 2012

No. Why would they? I would think that Prime Spock would be busy building the Vulcan colony with his people, and the crew would be out exploring new worlds, etc. Not much chance for getting infodumps there in my opinion.

93. Red Dead Ryan - April 28, 2012

#67.

That’s a good point. If they are going to keep bringing Leonard Nimoy back, then how do they justify NOT bringing back William Shatner?

Also, I was under the impression that the writers have said NO to any more guest appearances from the TOS cast members.

Also, for the next movie, Chris Pine should deliver the monologue.

94. Jack - April 28, 2012

89. Sigh. It’s all about being Captain. Spock said it in II, and he was dead — and the captain of the Enterprise. Otherwise, just Kirk and Picard. ;).

95. Trekker5 - April 28, 2012

#33,Aurore,I’m doing fine thank you for asking! :) You know I was thinking,if Mr.Nimoy is going to be in the 3rd one that would make his Spock older. But by how much I wonder? I forget how old they said he was in the ’09 one,like a 100 in some or maybe more. I know it’s been told somewhere but how long do Vulcans live? I also forget how old Spock’s father was when he died in ST:TNG. But I guess if I knew that I’d know how long Vulcans live anyway! ;)

96. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - April 28, 2012

@94.

Sigh all you want, but no, it’s not. It’s about delivering the intro lines. In TOS and TNG, the captain did it, but that does not make it a law that the captain HAS to do it. Since so many people (here) want them to throw Mr. Shatner a bone, perhaps they could have him do the voice work for that in the next film. That way, no one can claim that he was somehow “overlooked.” And again, I think Ms. Nichols should be the computer voice.

97. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - April 28, 2012

@#95

I think they can live to be 200.

98. Red Dead Ryan - April 28, 2012

The captain should say the monologue. He’s in command of his ship. Chris Pine is the lead actor. End of story.

99. Jack - April 28, 2012

95. He says he’s from 129 years in the future. So, if Quinto’s Spock is 25 (it suggests that he and Kirk are the same age) in Trek ’09 — then he’s 149. He has died and been regenerated once before, so his lifespan might vary either way, but, roughly, don’t Vulcans live well into their 200s?

Sarek was 102, or middle aged, in Journey to Babel. He died about 100 years later (TNG: Unification).

So Nimoy’s character has a good 50 years or so left.

100. Jack - April 28, 2012

I always liked to think that they weren’t just intro lines for the audience, but they were said by the captain (say, in his first log entry upon assuming command).

Yeah, it would have been nice in this last one if Shatner had delivered the spiel (he was indeed captain), but it probably would have been confusing (and he probably would not have wanted to do it). I would have preferred if it had been Pine. He’s the captain.

And no, I guess there is no law that the captain has to say it (even though he always did). I guess Ryan Seacrest could. I guess Keenser could. Hell, why don’t you phone it in. But why?

It doesn’t make a lot of sense for another character to say those lines, unless it’s some sort of tribute (say, the character has died)… but no. It’s what the captain says, always has been.

101. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - April 28, 2012

@ 100

No, it would not have been nice for Shatner to deliver the lines in the last film. Not only would it have been confusing, like you said, it also would have felt out of place to me. Pine reciting those lines would have seemed premature to me. Nimoy was perfect. If you don’t think so, then that’s you. I, however, loved it as a finishing touch on ST09.

I’m not arguing with the fact that a captain has said those lines in the past. I said that much myself. What I also said was that it doesn’t have to be set in stone that the captain says those lines. Why wouldn’t it make sense for someone else to say them?

And this just doesn’t make sense to me:

“I always liked to think that they weren’t just intro lines for the audience, but they were said by the captain (say, in his first log entry upon assuming command). “

Um, but they were intro lines for the audience. Who else do you think they were for, the cast? They tell you what the show is about, essentially. It could have just as easily been a different member of the main cast stating those lines, alternating from episode to episode. It just happened that it was the captain. Okay. I have no problem with that. Like I said, it’s just an intro – a very nice and meaningful one, but still an intro.

And no, I guess there is no law that the captain has to say it (even though he always did). I guess Ryan Seacrest could. I guess Keenser could. Hell, why don’t you phone it in. But why?

Mmmh. That’s pretty much how I feel about squeezing in a Shatner cameo, but at least I would keep in it Trek. As to your question of why, I’d say why not? In my initial post about this, I said that it was no big deal to me who does it, so I’m not sure why we are having this conversation or why people are insistent that is absolutely has to be a captain, other than the fact that traditionally, in the TOS universe, that’s how it worked there. Hmm – see post #84.

Thanks.

102. cd - April 28, 2012

I hope Cumberbatch is not Joachim, I would hope for something a little more original than that. Of course, Nero was original and that didn’t really work.
As far as Nimoy being in the sequel, I say that sounds good. The more real Spock, the better. Quinto’s imitation of Spock is pale at best; he just does not have the gravitas and demeanor that Nimoy had. Of course, neither does Pine, but he is not trying to play his Kirk the same as Shatner, he does his own thing. I am hoping Pine will be able to do a serious Kirk in the sequel, and I am hoping Quinto will be able to bring a little coolness, emotional and otherwise, to his Spock, instead of the puckerfaced whininess he showed in ST09.

103. cd - April 28, 2012

I assume Chris Pine will be Captain Kirk in the next movie. So he should say ‘Space, the Final Frontier…”, if it is said. It seems to fit better at the end of a movie, as opposed to the beginning of an episode. And he should at least do the Captain’s Log line somewhere near the beginning.

104. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - April 28, 2012

@#102

So, if everything you knew was destroyed, and you lost your mother in the process, you think that grieving over that is being “puckerfaced” and “whiney?” – Wow.

From what I saw, up until that point, Quinto’s Spock was very cool and composed. I don’t think any of them, except for maybe Karl Urban, played their characters just like the original. I believe that Karl is the only one that said that he actually made an effort to do so.

To each his own, though.

105. Amish Electrician - April 28, 2012

lots of peeps complain about the brewery engineering room..i think this other this new verison is really more realistic

106. Andrew - April 28, 2012

It could simply just be a cameo. Even just his voice, or a small flashback. I doubt he would be a major character.

107. Keachick - rose pinenut - April 28, 2012

#89 – “Aging is only a bitch if you let it be that, like the crankiness that seems to come along with clinging to those few blonde hairs that still might exist… :-/”

Do you like being rude and provocative? Anyway, you either have a few blonde hairs or you don’t.

“Pine reciting those lines would have seemed premature to me.”

Huh? By the end of the movie, leaving aside the controversy over whether or not he should have been promoted so early, the fact remained that James Kirk had been promoted to CAPTAIN James Kirk. He had command of the Starship Enterprise which meant it was certainly not at all premature for this nuKirk to start off his captaincy by stating those famous words. Not at all premature – in fact, that is what I expected to hear. After all, the Enterprise and her crew was already on her way out – on one of those your voyages through space, the final frontier… It is the captain’s job to set the tone for the crew and audiences!

Oh, and Pine is more than ready and capable of saying those words, especially with that rich mellow baritone voice of his. Just one more thing to love about Chris Pine.

Whether the original or the amended words get spoken is neither here nor there for me, just so long as the mission statement gets said by the captain!

It also occurred in the TNG universe. The mission statement was not used for the DS9, Voyager or Enterprise series. It would not have seemed that appropriate for either DS9 or Voyager, however if they had decided to use those words, then it should have gone Bakula/Captain Archer.

What’s not broke, don’t fix. This kind of got broken when Spock usurped the captain’s prerogative, but that can be fixed up nicely once and for all, come this movie sequel.

108. Dr. Cheis - April 28, 2012

It’s been apparent for a while now that Nimoy has a different definition of “retired” than most of the rest of us. Only he knows what it means to him.

109. Keachick - rose pinenut - April 28, 2012

Edit – I meant – “however if they had decided to use those words in Enterprise, then…”

110. Jack - April 28, 2012

101. Yep, it was for the audience in the same way the Captain’s log was for the audience. What I meant was, it isn’t necessarily an item like a soundtrack or titles that clearly isn’t part of the story, were it all real. It always seemed like part of the universe, to me. It was there because Captain Kirk was describing his mission at the start of his logs. And there’s nothing within it (say “I’m William Shatner, and you’re tuned to Star Trek”) that necessarily suggests otherwise. It’s not like Bob Saget saying “Full House will be right back after these messages.”

“It could have just as easily been a different member of the main cast stating those lines, alternating from episode to episode. It just happened that it was the captain”

Things ‘just happen for a reason.’ Why would it make sense for someone else to read them, or the Captain’s log, unless, like I said, the character was killed off and they were trying to pull off a Trek II moment?

But yes, Spock could just as easily have had orange blood, the tribbles could just as easily have been carnivorous and, well, the phasers could just as easily have been shaped like turnips.

I disagreed with you, you told me I was wrong, repeatedly, and, well, that’s why we’re having this discussion.

To me, it’s always been a big part of Trek that the captain is saying it. It’s not just an introduction to a TV show — it’s what the show is all about.

111. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - April 28, 2012

55 nothing ever just takes 10 mins to film/ Ha Ha
for fun ive worked background on quite a few productions over the years, even a 30 to 60 second scene can take several hours to film. And if you through in a director that likes his cast and crew to rehearse you can look at an entire 14 hour day being spent on a 30-60 second scene, and thats in a movie thats just a straight forward drama or comedy.

112. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - April 28, 2012

this whole nonsense of the fans who want Khan as the villian is as anoying as back in the day when, some of those same fans were clamering for them to find a way to resurect Khan as a villian for TNG.

And those who feel the need to say Khan is to kirk as the Joker is to Batman is wrong. Joker actually had a long ongoing history with Batman over decades of comics, tv episodes and movies. where as in the 25 years of classic trek shows and movies, Khan made only TWO count em TWO GUEST appearances 1 episode and 1 movie. IN the years between space seed and TWOK, kirk didnt give Khan a second thought. Even after TWOK, Khan is never mentioned again, even durring the search for spock or spocks resurection. If JJ did (and honestly i dont believe he has) just go for Khan then its going to bite him the Arse cause there is no way Trek XII is going to stand up to Space Seed let alone to TWOK. Khan is not the Trek equivilant of The Joker

113. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - April 28, 2012

one more thing, to add to number 112 that i made, I wanna give JJ, Orci and crew more credit than relying on Khan to move a story forward. Using Khan in my opinon is more of a crutch than having short cameo by Nimoy.

114. T'Cal - April 28, 2012

They are almost done with shooting, Pine says, and Nimoy is still “talking”? And, no title, trailer, or plot released yet? That’s crazy talk!

115. captain spock - April 28, 2012

zacary quintos must of just got his eye brows shaved the look on his face wow.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2136621/Zachary-Quinto-scowls-set-Star-Trek-sequel.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

116. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - April 28, 2012

@ Keachick

“Do you like being rude and provocative? ”

Only when pushed, but it’s not a preference. I could ask you the same question about how you seemed to attack someone simply for getting older… I don’t start it, but I can dish it back.

As for the rest of your post, that’s your opinion and I am entitled to mine as well. I’d expect that you’d think what you do, and so there’s nothing else for me to say to you on the subject.

Thanks.

@ Jack

>“It was there because Captain Kirk was describing his mission at the start of his logs.”

And I think this is where we disagree, or at least have a difference in perspective. I don’t see it as Captain Kirk’s mission. I see it as the team’s mission.

I highly doubt that at the beginning of every mission log that Kirk actually said that. Perhaps we can say that it was the beginning of one of the early logs, or the first one, and it just got repeated every episode. That makes more sense, but has that been established as fact? It’s a real question because I’m not a big TOS fan, so I don’t follow those kinds of things. Anyway, I always saw it as a separate thing from the mission log, which usually started after the opening with the stardate, if I remember correctly. I haven’t seen TOS in a good while.

Getting back to me seeing it as a team mission, and not the Captain’s mission, I suppose that’s why it doesn’t matter to me who gives the intro. I’ll say once more that it would have also worked for me if the entire main team alternated in doing that intro with the episodes as they went by. Apparently, some people disagree. That’s fine with me, but it doesn’t change my opinion, and I’m not trying to change anyone else’s.

“Things ‘just happen for a reason.’ Why would it make sense for someone else to read them, or the Captain’s log, unless, like I said, the character was killed off and they were trying to pull off a Trek II moment? “

The captain’s log, no. That’s for the captain as it is his/her log. But, the intro to the show doesn’t “belong” to anyone. It’s not really a part of the episode(s), just an introduction to it. That’s why I think any of the team could read it. John Cho has a nice voice. He’d do fine to me too. That just gave me an idea. You know what I think would be nice – if they all did it. What if they all read parts of that intro. Zachary could start it, and Pine could end it, with everyone getting a turn in-between (or at least 2-3 others since there’s maybe not enough to say for all 7 of them, but then again maybe…). I would like that. I don’t expect anyone else to here, but that’s why it’s called my opinion.

“But yes, Spock could just as easily have had orange blood, the tribbles could just as easily have been carnivorous and, well, the phasers could just as easily have been shaped like turnips.”

That’s cute, but what you are forgetting here is that the series, for instance, established that Vulcans have green blood as a rule within the show. It was set as a medical fact of their anatomy. You can say that because the captain read the intro that that is how it should be, but there’s nothing that says that it has to be that way. Again, the intro isn’t even a real part of each episode. That’s why it’s called an introduction.

Think of it like an introduction to a book. The story doesn’t change; the author doesn’t change, but whoever writes the introduction can change a million times and that’s not going to change the book or what the book established about its story and characters. That’s my point. If you see it differently, okay, but that’s how I see it.

“I disagreed with you, you told me I was wrong, repeatedly, and, well, that’s why we’re having this discussion.”

Fair enough. Let me rephrase what I said: In my opinion, you stating that it has to be the captain simply because it’s always been the captain is not an absolute truth unto itself. Is that better?

“To me, it’s always been a big part of Trek that the captain is saying it. It’s not just an introduction to a TV show — it’s what the show is all about.”

Right, and I can appreciate that, to you, that’s what it is. To me, it’s not. Okay, to me, the actual show – as in the episodes/seasons – is what the show is all about because therein lies the content. The introduction is just giving you (as in a potential viewer) an idea as to what the content will be, it is not the content itself.

So, I guess we just see this differently, which is fine by me. All of this for me to restate my initial point – if someone other than Quinto (or the whole cast) ends up doing it, then that’s what happens. I’m not going to get bent out of shape over it. My main interest is in the actual content of the film. As long as they do right by me there, then Houston, I do not have a problem with Pine needing the intro because Kirk is Captain.

Thanks.

117. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - April 28, 2012

Well it’s not Pine himself that needs it (to my knowledge), but you know what I mean…

118. MJ - April 28, 2012

@112 “this whole nonsense of the fans who want Khan as the villian is as anoying as back in the day when, some of those same fans were clamering for them to find a way to resurect Khan as a villian for TNG.”

You are misguided. Several of us have PREDICTED, based on the information we have so far, that Khan will likely be in the movie. This is different than saying WE WANT KHAN in the movie. I hope I am wrong, and it is not Khan, but my prediction stands that it is going to be Khan or some relatted Botany Bay facsimile.

119. Geodesic - April 28, 2012

A Spock on Spock mindmeld could be interesting.

120. Obsidian - April 28, 2012

I hope Khan won’t be in the movie. Enough already. Let’s have the new cast do some new things. Let’s just settle down and hope that they do something original, like Kruge.

121. Keachick - rose pinenut - April 28, 2012

#116 – “Only when pushed, but it’s not a preference. I could ask you the same question about how you seemed to attack someone simply for getting older… I don’t start it, but I can dish it back.”

What is with you? I did not attack Leonard Nimoy simply for getting older. I did not attack him at all. The reality is that he is now 81 years old and his voice is not as strong as it used to be. Not that it matters, but others have noted the same. Someone even commented that Leonard suffers from emphysema. I’ve had family members with that – not nice at all. It makes breathing and speaking difficult. I said that aging is a bitch – that is not an attack on Leonard Nimoy or on anyone else. Aging is a fact of life which we all succumb to if we get to live long enough and this reality does have unfortunate, if not shocking and terrible, consequences for the aging person. I was commiserating with Leonard’s reality.

You, on the other hand, referred to my “crankiness that seems to come along with clinging to those few blonde hairs that still might exist… :-/””. We both know what this comment refers to. You are being personal and rude.

Anyway, why are you so desperate to have Spock (first officer in this film series) say words that only the captain said?

I realise that when Spock spoke those words at the end of Star Trek II, he had been promoted to captain at this stage and had just died. I guess he could speak those words. However, this film series is a different scenario. Besides, it has been a very long time since we got to hear the captain of the Enterprise speak those iconic words. This is Pine/KIRK’s time!

122. Basement Blogger - April 28, 2012

@ 112, 118

I agree with MJ. The evidence (@ 4) points to Khan. I’m not rooting to have Khan in the next movie. We’ve been there, done that. And I agree with long moniker, :-) that Khan is not like the Joker. Long moniker is right. Joker had an ongoing relationship with Batman.

If it is Khan, I’ll still see the movie. But there won’t be any surprises. Khan’s motivation. Rule the earth. That doesn’t sound like the deeper Trek promised by the Supreme Court. That being said, I’ll keep an open mind. The next Trek could be as deep and exciting as The Dark Knight or Inception. .

123. Jason - April 28, 2012

Nimoy should have stopped at his TNG episodes. He only ruins what he original made great at this point. Please Lenard, call it a day.

124. Closettrekker - April 28, 2012

I don’t think the film needs Mr. Nimoy. His role in ST09 served its purpose. The torch has been passed now.

Quinto needs to wear his big-boy ears…

125. Jack - April 28, 2012

Oh dear. I now realize that you and Keachick are often quibbling about who insulted whom. Not sure why I got sucked into all that. You’re correct — there’s no in-series evidence that the captain alone ‘can’ do the mission statement, all we know is, except for Trek 2009 (in which he was a very special guest star), the captain always did.

Well, I hope Pine does it. I know we’ve heard it before in this new series (so, I suspect they won’t repeat it in this one), but I’d still like to hear Pine do it, complete with the original ’60s phrasing.

“Besides, it has been a very long time since we got to hear the captain of the Enterprise speak those iconic words. This is Pine/KIRK’s time!”

I think so.

126. Red Dead Ryan - April 28, 2012

Yeah, I hoped for something new for the sequel, but it certainly appears Khan is the direction the writers are going to go. They could never stop talking about the character, and the episode and movie he was in. They also want a recognizable villain that can put more butts in the seats. That is also why you don’t see brand new villains in superhero movies. They almost always go with the tried-and-true antagonists, like the Joker, Green Goblin, Magneto, Lex Luthor, etc.

127. Shilliam Watner - April 28, 2012

I could picture a scene where young Spock needs some advice and seeks out old Spock. I wouldn’t be against Nimoy in the film, but I certainly don’t think it’s necessary. If he is, they better make it more than gratuitous, but I’m not sure how they can do that. His insertion into the first film, while being very welcome, was a pretty sloppily plotted part of the film. There had to have been a better way to make Kirk and Spock Prime to meet other than the wildly ridiculous coincidence in the movie.

Hey, I loved the film, but I had to excuse a fair amount of problems to enjoy it. Now, every Trek film has had some plot problems and convenient coincidences and miracles to further the story, but Trek09 had some doozies.

Nimoy was very welcome by me in the film. He still plays Spock believably to me, while Shatner’s Kirk stopped convincing me long ago. So I’ll be happy to see Nimoy again if that is the case, but make his scene/scenes. A gratuitous cameo would just be sad.

128. Thomas - April 28, 2012

UPDATE:

Ain’t It Cool News has the relevant clip of Nimoy’s comment available for viewing. Plus, the article’s writer claims to have what he calls “compelling independent confirmation” that is in the movie. See it here:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/55314

129. Shilliam Watner - April 28, 2012

Since we’re arguing here about who should speak the “mission statement” in the next film (assuming they even do that) I would like to posit and observation I’ve had about the film vs. the old cast.

Quinto and Pine do not have the voices of their predecessors. Nimoy’s voice was deep, and have him a presence that’s hard to match. I thought Quinto was very good, but his voice does not have the commanding resonance of Nimoy, and I miss that.

Pine, too, is deficient in the pipes department when compared to Shatner. Though not as deep as Nimoy’s voice, it was still commanding, and possesses its own richness.

Quinto and Pine have average voices. I hope that the intervening four years has given them a bit more gravitas, and we’ll find our cast has matured better into the roles. Star Trek 09 was a great start, but it was a bit too Star Trek 90210. They were kids, and I want to see them play adults now.

But I don’t think the voices will ever the magic of the original actors.

130. NCM - April 28, 2012

I’d say this ‘discussion’ degenerated, quickly, but for that to be true, it would have to have begun with some promise.

131. Jack - April 28, 2012

Heck, the TOS crew survived without advice from their future selves.

132. Spacecadet - April 28, 2012

If he will be there, only in a short flashback. I am not a fan of this “let the old crew appear in the movie of the other generation…” I also think, the first TNG movie should have been without Shatner. He had a great leaving in ST VI and in VII he was just in the wrong time in a wrong place. My opinion only, of course. BUT in Star Trek XI Nimoy as Spock functioned. It was a great script and made sense. In VII they only wanted to reunite the money of the fans of both generations and so they created SOMETHING to let Kirk and Picard join in one movie. In XI Nimoy-Spock made sense. He was a bridge for the new crew to join the Trek-family and he was a kind of a last bow for the original crew.

133. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - April 28, 2012

@#121

You were being rude and attacking, but whatever. The fact that you have relatives with emphysema doesn’t take away from anything. I had an uncle with it. Please do continue on in the ways that I know you will.

I’m not “desperate” to see anyone in particular do the mission statement, so if you need it to be Kirk, then you need it to be Kirk. I don’t think of it as ONE person’s time, but the entire crew’s time. Your obsession with Pine/Kirk has you only interested in him and I get that. I’d be nice if you could stop with the double standards and attacks on anyone that isn’t your favorite, but I know that’s not going to happen any time soon so…

I’m done talking to you about this.

@ #125 Jack

You didn’t get sucked into anything, Jack. Our conversation was separate. I’m not sure how you think that the three of us were having a conversation from looking back on this comment’s section, but your perception is your perception.

Well, I hope Pine does it.

And if I had a choice – I’d pick Quinto or the whole cast. There you go. If someone else does it, then someone else does it. Seems like we keep saying the same things to each other at the end of our posts, so I’m ready to let this go. I’m tired of repeating myself, but thanks for your perspective.

@#130 NCM

Another reason why posting often ends up being a waste of time. Still, sometimes the discussions have promise, and out of those times, occasionally that promise is fulfilled. That’s the bright side.

134. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - April 28, 2012

@ Shilliam W.

Since we’re arguing here about who should speak the “mission statement” in the next film (assuming they even do that)

And that’s the thing, Shilliam. I don’t even know why this was an argument, if that’s what it was. It’s pretty hard to “argue” with someone that I have a preference but if someone else does the statement, then okay. I don’t even see how that’s something to oppose seeing as it leaves the door open for anybody. But, I guess…

135. Aurore - April 29, 2012

” If Leonard had simply denied being in the next sequel, the CNN reporter might have asked why. That’s a difficult question to answer.”
_____________

Of course. He might have.
However, I am still of the opinion that Mr. Nimoy would have been perfectly able to find a way to explain that he would not be involved in the next Star Trek …if he were not to be in it, in some capacity.

I disagree with the notion that it is a difficult question to answer; he did it many times before.

“Even worse, he doesn’t want to accidentally give the impression of being unwanted.”

Somehow, I can’t imagine him being unwanted. But, that is another story…

“Just as if he had said “No, I’m not directing anymore Star Trek films” after Star Trek IV, it would have raised questions.”

In that specific instance, could it be that he did not want to direct any ( in the sense of mediocre ) Star Trek? From what I’ve learned, he was/is very protective of the franchise. Which might be the reason why he did not appear in Generations, for instance.

My point is that “they” were probably talking , in those days. Nevertheless, it might be that he was not willing to commit to participate in just any (Star Trek) project.

“My guess is the most Nimoy participation we will have in the next film is a voice-over, possibly of the “Space the final frontier” credo.”

I agree.
In post 12 I said that I did not think that we would see much of Mr. Nimoy if he were to appear in the sequel.

136. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - April 29, 2012

@#124

“Quinto needs to wear his big-boy ears…”

When didn’t he, and how?

137. Shilliam Watner - April 29, 2012

134. Spock/Uhura Admirer – many people are very possessive about their Trek, and insist it must be a certain way. Sometimes they really don’t like being disagreed with, but sometimes the person disagreeing isn’t all that polite either.

I find that when you match a person’s angry tone, you simply escalate the feelings. I refuse to argue with anybody here because all I’m doing is stating my opinions. If somebody wishes to view that as an argument, there’s nothing I can do about it, but I’ll be damned if I’ll argue back.

Nobody here will ever win an argument with me, because I won’t argue. I am un-defeatable ;-)

138. RenderedToast - April 29, 2012

Prime Spock is in the new universe, so unless there’s no reason for him to be around from a story perspective then he also shouldn’t be ignored for the sake of NOT including him.

139. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - April 29, 2012

@#137 Shilliam W.

Spock/Uhura Admirer – many people are very possessive about their Trek, and insist it must be a certain way. Sometimes they really don’t like being disagreed with…

Thank you, Shilliam. And that’s pretty much what it comes down to: People not liking to be disagreed with, but it also goes beyond that. Disagreement is one thing, but there are instances where someone having their own opinion or preference is seemingly not allowed by some. Still, I believe everyone has a right to post their views, and so I think it is good to continue on doing so regardless of whether people disagree or not.

…but sometimes the person disagreeing isn’t all that polite either.

Touche, Shilliam. Try saying the same thing to the same person over and over again, and it would test anyone’s patience. Perhaps that’s where I end up making my mistake. I usually start out with the patience to explain my point of view, and then re-explain it, just in case I wasn’t very clear the first time, and so on and so forth, until it gets frustrating. That’s when I usually realize that there was no point in posting in the first place, but by then, I already have. Ah hindsight…

Still, I am always polite to whoever is polite to me. I’m only rude to people who are rude (and usually it takes a while to get there), and that’s if I even bother. There are a lot of times I just don’t post.

I find that when you match a person’s angry tone, you simply escalate the feelings. I refuse to argue with anybody here because all I’m doing is stating my opinions. If somebody wishes to view that as an argument, there’s nothing I can do about it, but I’ll be damned if I’ll argue back.

That is why I’m not sure that what you called an argument was in fact an argument, and said as much. I’m happy to state my views, and if someone else thinks differently, then they do – they have a right to their views too. I don’t, however, think that setting double-standards and such is right, but to each his/her own…

Nobody here will ever win an argument with me, because I won’t argue. I am un-defeatable ;-)

You also just saved yourself quite a few gray hairs. ;-)

140. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - April 29, 2012

@#138

Prime Spock is in the new universe, so unless there’s no reason for him to be around from a story perspective then he also shouldn’t be ignored for the sake of NOT including him.

I agree.

141. Shilliam Watner - April 29, 2012

139. Spock/Uhura Admirer – I really only called it an argument out of jest. I thought it interesting how passionate some people are over who might read a “mission statement.”

In the interest of full disclosure, I was on this web site under a different name, and I became caught up in the “arguments” and fought back and generally burned out on it. I went away for a while, then came back with a new name and approach.

Sure, there are still people I’d like to smack from time to time, but now I only try to smack with reason and logic, and no insults or confrontational tone. This isn’t a street fight. If it was I’d be kicking some major ass, but fights here are never really won. It’s not that kind of arena.

So mainly I hope for friendly, healthy debate. I don’t have time for anybody who simply wants to provoke me because of an offending opinion. I find I like it here much more than in my previous, argumentative identity.

142. It's Paramount - April 29, 2012

Anyone ever considered that Prime Spock can locate in the alternative timeline the Nexus and get Shatner out of it. Remember in the Nexus, time has no meaning.

143. Keachick - rose pinenut - April 29, 2012

I repeat (I seem to have to do a lot of that lately) that I did not attack any one. I did not attack Leonard Nimoy. Just because Leonard Nimoy does not sound as good as he once did is not a rude attack. People change over time and yes, the reality of aging is a bitch for anyone who has been alive long enough. You were the one being provocative and rude.

Who speaks the mission statement has little to do with Chris Pine. It is about the captain of the USS Enterprise (the leader of the ship) setting the tone and pace and direction. Please stop confusing the character of Kirk with the actor who plays him. For me, William Shatner’s delivery/cadence was the best ever. Not even Patrick Stewart could match Shatner’s style and rhythm, nor did Leonard Nimoy ever manage to. Chris Pine is an unknown quantity, but he couldn’t do any worse than Leonard Nimoy or Patrick Stewart. It always made perfect sense that the captain was given the privilege of saying these special words, which embraced us with what was meant to be the heart and soul of Star Trek.

Are you getting this, Orci/Kurtzman/Abrams? I hope so!

Often people who can be very obsessed may not communicate anything of their *obsession* at all. Yes, I do like him and I express that. You can stop using my affection for this character and actor as a means of derision and DISTRACTION.

As for your and MJ’s accusations of my practising a double-standard, I think there has been a misunderstanding. It is not about whether the actors say anything at all about this new Star Trek movie, it is more to do with what they say, whether what they say could be at all considered spoilery. Zach’s original comments could be considered a little spoiler which is why I said he should not have said anything about the leaked photos and video. I did talk about discernment that had been shown by both Pine and Cumberbatch.

To illustrate – several different pictures have just been *leaked* and both BC and CP have been out and about, and yet, as far as I know, neither of them have made any comments about these pictures – nothing, zilch. This is what I mean by the actors showing a certain discernment over what can be said about what. Perhaps I did not make myself clear – thought I had. Now rectified.

144. VOODOO - April 29, 2012

AICN has updated their story about Mr Nimoy being in the new film.

The interesting addition to their story is where Merrick states “I also received some compelling independent confirmation that Nimoy is absolutely in the new film”

Remember it was AICN that reported the outline of the ST 09 script well over a year before it hit the screen. These guys seem to have some connections to the ST camp.

145. Buzz Cagney - April 29, 2012

#141 I have a rule of thumb. Make a post. If someone challenges it, reply. Then leave it. You’ve had your say, they’ve had theirs. Move on. If they wish to post again thats up to them but life is too short to keep going at it ;)

I see some of these long rambling posts and, to be honest, just skip on through.

146. Kirk, James T. - April 29, 2012

It depends if the story requires Nimoy to return – If Abrams does a trilogy of films then it may be the right thing to come full circle with his Star Trek movies and bring the Spock arc to a head with the return of Nimoy.

I don’t see this as a big problem – I don’t think he’ll appear in the sequel but he may appear in a third movie…

147. captain_neill - April 29, 2012

As great as it would be to see Leonard back, as he is Spock, the original and best, his appearance I think would have to work well into the story.

I also would have loved to have seen Shatner back but I don’t think the scene they had wrote for him realy worked for me.

I feel happy that Khan will not be revisited as any redo would just be inferior to what came before. Khan is one of the best villains and to me you cant do anything better than what has been done.

148. Christopher Roberts - April 29, 2012

No point in holding out for a Bakula/Archer cameo this time, I suppose? :-)

149. LazarusNine - April 29, 2012

@138: You’re totally correct. There’s no reason to actively avoid showing Prime Spock unless it doesn’t fit with the story. Quinto’s role is not diminished in any way by having OG Spock around. In some ways, they’re two different people, and I think our brains can make the distinction just fine. I think a story involving the redevelopment of the Vulcan culture has the potential to be a rich narrative, as others have said. I’d be quite happy to see OG Spock in a recurring role, but I hope his lines don’t seem as ‘scripted’ as they did in the last one. If I could describe my only real niggle about the latest ST movie, it would be that it seemed almost clinical in its transitions from Point A to Point B, etc. The dialogue was also affected by this approach. Not sure how to correct that as I’m not a scriptwriter, and I don’t mean to detract from what was a very enjoyable experience! Star Trek is/always has been fantastic (despite a few episodes here and there).

150. Buzz Cagney - April 29, 2012

#148 No point that I can think of.

151. Trekker5 - April 29, 2012

#97,Spock/Uhura Admirer ;) and #99 Jack thank you for the info!! I had a thought cross my mind that maybe 200 was the number;again thank you! :)

152. Christopher Roberts - April 29, 2012

150. ssssssshhhhhhhhhame.

153. denny cranium - April 29, 2012

If Spock primes role is relevant to the story or it helps develop new canon I’m all for it.
I don’t want to see Quinto’s Spock reach out to NImoy’s Spock for all the answers.
But if Nimoy’s in it then you know Shatner is going to be all over JJ for a part.
Personally I think the torch has been passed.

154. Sebastian S. - April 29, 2012

# 128. Thomas

Went to the link; it pretty much said he’s in the film, but the proof is pending. But OK, I take it to mean he’s in the movie.

My only wish is that if he is in the film, that his involvement be kept to an absolute minimum. This is no slight against Nimoy (as stated earlier; meeting him in person at Comic Con 2009 was Geek-nirvana for me), but this really HAS to be the new movie cast’s adventure. And it won’t really be so if they continue to have Nimoy serving as the ‘training wheels’…..

I’m not too cool with the idea of Spock prime acting as New Trek “Yoda” so-to-speak; the wise old sage who gives the crew the answers whenever they’re in a tight jam. I’d be more comfortable with a silent, walk-on cameo or perhaps in a video log/recording of some kind where he’s not actually onscreen with the new cast. This really should be THEIR adventure….

155. Dom - April 29, 2012

Just give us a nice little scene with Nimoy and Shatner. No need to explain how the original Kirk is alive: it’ll give fans something to argue about for decades!! ;)

156. nerd@gmail.com - April 29, 2012

It is Khan. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just plain stupid.

157. Sebastian S. - April 29, 2012

# 156

So are people who mock other’s views without substantial proof. ;-)

This is the kind of overzealous fanboy attitude I can’t stand.
It’s one thing to express your views openly and logically (and that’s great), but it just makes all of us fans look bad when some fanboys go all rabid and start in with the name-calling and hurling insults when others fail to yield to their unproven point of view.

We all love ST. But we don’t own it, nor do we speak for the writers. Everything expressed here (unless it comes from Bob Orci) is merely opinion and conjecture and NOTHING MORE.

So let’s cut it out with the name calling and act like adults, OK?

158. The Snob - April 29, 2012

Finally the revelation we we’re waiting for…..

159. The Snob - April 29, 2012

Click on my name to see…

160. Sebastian S. - April 29, 2012

# 158

;-D

Now THAT’S funny….

161. BringBackKirkPrime - April 29, 2012

It would be great to have Mr. Nimoy back, and hopefully the Shat, one more time!

162. Red Dead Ryan - April 29, 2012

#154.

Well said. I agree if Nimoy is going to be in the sequel, it should be for a small scene, maybe just to acknowledge the rebuilding of the Vulcan civilization, or to hand over the Kirk hologram to NuSpock. Other than that, I’d prefer that the sequel continue on with only the new cast.

I understand that TOS-only fans felt shafted during the Berman years, so I get that they still want to see TOS cast members continue to appear in the new movies.

But, for me at least, I think its time to see what the new cast and crew are capable of. And CBS should re-do the animation for TAS for rerelease on Blu Ray. It’ll be like getting something new from the TOS crew.

163. Sebastian S. - April 29, 2012

# 162.

I like your ideas, RDR; especially the acknowledgment of the rebuilding of the Vulcan colony, but yeah I also agree that LN’s scene should be a ‘quickie.’ And (if possible) he shouldn’t directly interact with the new cast in ANY way. It’s their movie…

And I love the idea of a new CG animation of TAS; I’ve always felt that series never really got enough love. Granted, it was pretty cheesy and the animation was lackluster to put it mildly, but some of the stories were really intriguing and I for one would love to see what they could do with it using todays’ tech (ala the TOS remastered editions).

164. NCM - April 29, 2012

133. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) – April 28, 2012:

“Another reason why posting often ends up being a waste of time. Still, sometimes the discussions have promise, and out of those times, occasionally that promise is fulfilled. That’s the bright side.”

Agreed. You’re passionate about your Trek and though I wouldn’t pilot the ship to your full approval, I credit you for staying your course. For what it’s worth, I find you ‘dis’ only when you feel it’s deserved; but posts sometimes are more abrasive than the writer intended (or will own up to) and if you read the threads with salt on-hand, you might find the time better spent and more enjoyable.

Trek on:)!

165. NCM - April 29, 2012

137. Shilliam Watner – April 29, 2012

“Nobody here will ever win an argument with me, because I won’t argue. I am un-defeatable ;-)”

Like your take on the no-win scenario Mr. (?) Watner.

166. Vultan - April 29, 2012

#162

I agree. The new cast can carry the movie.

But I don’t know why some TOS fans would feel slighted by “the Berman years.” Did they miss those episodes with McCoy and Scotty (“Relics” was one of the best!) and Captain Sulu and, oh yeah, “Trials and Tribble-ations” for crying out loud?!

I guess EVERY episode needed a TOS guest star shoe-horned into the story for no good reason, maybe even to the detriment of TOS (yeah, I’m looking at you, ST: Generations). Kirk died on the wrong bridge! :(

167. Red Dead Ryan - April 29, 2012

I think if Spock Prime does interact with anybody in the sequel, logically it has to be with Spock, Kirk, or even McCoy. Actually, a scene involving Nimoy and Karl Urban would be awesome. It would be interesting to see how McCoy deals with the fact that there are TWO Spocks.

168. NCM - April 29, 2012

@167: Hadn’t thought of that; it would be interesting to see McCoy’s reaction. Then again, if the film picks up where it left off, that McCoy/Spock thing is yet to develop.

169. Red Dead Ryan - April 29, 2012

#166.

I think the TOS-only fans just wanted a new show featuring either the TOS crew, or a new crew from the TOS era. And seeing how much of a disappointment “Voyager” was, maybe that era would have been a better route to go.

From the beginning of TNG, to the end of “Enterprise”, there was twenty-five seasons and almost twenty seasons of spin-offs. TOS ended in ’91 with TUC. So people who didn’t like the spinoffs felt left out. Kind of hard to blame them.

170. Jerry Modene - April 29, 2012

I had a thought about Alice Eve’s character, who is supposed to be “new to canon”.

What about her playing Joanna McCoy? We’ve never seen the character (she was converted into Irina Galliulin in “The Way to Eden” rewrites) so she’d be “new to canon” in that sense, but her appearance might give us some very good McCoy-Kirk scenes, especially when Kirk starts hitting on her (which was the plan in the original drafts of “Eden”).

171. Sebastian S. - April 29, 2012

# 170.

My only issue with that would be the age difference; Alice Eve and Karl Urban are only about 10 years apart.

And in an interview, Ms Eve did mention her “Star Trek makeup” she endured on set. I’m inferring that she’s playing an alien (what kind or which one, I won’t even venture to guess).

But yeah, I’d love to see Joanna McCoy in the new movie series somewhere down the road (she’d probably be a ‘tween’ at this point). In the original script for TOS’ “Way To Eden”, the character of Irina was supposed to have been Joanna McCoy (which IMO, would’ve provided far more emotional fireworks for that episode….).

172. dmduncan - April 29, 2012

Are they taking bets on Cumberbatch as Khan/not Khan in Vegas yet?

Most people seem to think it’s Khan. Maybe I can make some cash betting against the odds here.

173. Pensive's Wetness - April 29, 2012

NIMOY: Uhh, we’re talking. We’re talking. About where Hoffa is buried. About where Hoffa is living at. About why the Browns failed to get to the Superbowl in 1986, 1987, 1989. About all the good and really bad lemons written about Kirk/Spock couplings in the past 4 seconds.

Really, he didn’t say sh*t, and people wanna even think he’s gonna be JJ-Trek II? Good grief, let the guy enjoy his retirement. he’s done so much for us, we OWE HIM.

*snorts and smiles* Elway is why my Dawgs failed back in the day…

174. Sebastian S. - April 29, 2012

# 172

One hundred thousand quatloos on Not-Khan…. ;-D

175. BringBackKirkPrime - April 29, 2012

Quote from http://www.aintitcool.com/node/55314 where the clip is available, and Leonard looks and sounds great!
“I’ve also received some compelling independent confirmation that Nimoy is ‘absolutely’ in the new film…working more details which I’ll share with you should / when they come through. “

176. Gary S. - April 29, 2012

Didnt Herc from AICN have a source that told him last year That Shatner was going to be in the film ?
That didnt pan out did it ?
All we have now is the video with the one quote.
Speaking of that, is it true the video identified him
as “Leonard Nimoy,
Former Enterprise Commander “?
If so, so that is HILARIOUS!

177. "Check the Circuit! - April 29, 2012

It makes sense to me that he would be involved in some capacity. Spock Prime is leading the Vulcan colonization (or at least actively involved). Why wouldn’t there be at least a passing mention of it?

Plus I’d always hoped that something would come of the storyline that was originally announced as part of the JJverse series of follow up novels. Spock Prime would have to be of keen interest to those parties interested in his knowledge of the future….those with altruist intent as well as those with more nefarious motivations.

178. Buzz Cagney - April 29, 2012

#166 i thought the episode Relic’s was ok at best, Vults, but the handling of Scotty was poor. I found it all rather sad. They made him a depressed alcoholic. Whilst he had good reason to feel that way having been displaced from his own time and friends i prefer my Trek to be uplifting and positive. And in his dealings with the ever-so-proper LaForge he looked like a fool. No, its not an episode i regard with any fondness.

Trials and Tribble-ations, on the other hand, is simply spectacular.
No other word for it.

179. xenoc - April 29, 2012

#99

No,.Spock Prime doesn’t have another 50 years left.
1. Half Human
2. Bendi Syndrome runs in the family.

180. kremz - April 29, 2012

After hearing some folks saying they want Shat and Nimoy to close out the new trilogy, here’s a question to everyone that has voiced their displeasure of the JJ Trek:

How would you feel if, to close out the trilogy, it included some kind of twist that restored the original timeline? I have NO clue how that would work, I guess it could only involve going back in time to destroy Nero before he could attack the Kelvin?

Just curious.

181. Dee - lvs moon' surface - April 29, 2012

Kirk/Pine on the set…

http://www.x17online.com/gallery/view_gallery.php?gallery=ZacharyQuintoST042712_X17

…. that site knows nothing about Star Trek… “Dr. Spock”???… Hellooo!!!.. but they have the pics… LOL

;-) :-)

182. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - April 29, 2012

@#141 Shilliam W.

139. Spock/Uhura Admirer – I really only called it an argument out of jest. I thought it interesting how passionate some people are over who might read a “mission statement.”

You found it interesting, but I just couldn’t understand it. I guess maybe it’s that sometimes people want a re-run instead of a reboot. If that’s the case with the movie, or any part of the upcoming ones, then that is their prerogative. I just have an issue when it feels like I’m not even allowed to have a preference about what “could be” even though we’re dealing with a different timeline under different circumstances.

Some people take it that seriously, and I know that we all have our things that we are passionate about. Like with myself, I’m sure just about anyone that reads here knows the one thing I’m passionate about with the movies, but I wouldn’t say that Spock/Uhura absolutely have to be an item for the movie. They do have to be an item for me to be interested. Since they were the part of the last film that I enjoyed the most, they are also what I am looking forward to the most. If they don’t make it (and I hope and expect that they do) then there are other things for me to move on to – But I’m not going to post dictation for the producers or writers or anyone else. That’s just not my thing.

I guess what is hard for me sometimes is when it seems like some people are “passionate” about every little thing. I know that everybody wants the movies to be the best they can be, but the creative team also needs the space and the room to work. I know that if I worked on a “reboot” that is based on a popular TV show, I wouldn’t like it if people kept telling me in so many ways that I basically need to remake the show. What’s the point in that? These are supposed to be new adventures done in a new and somewhat different way. My opinion is let’s just let it be that. Sorry for the long reply, but this is an issue that’s been on my mind for a while and you seem like someone I can talk to about it.

In the interest of full disclosure, I was on this web site under a different name, and I became caught up in the “arguments” and fought back and generally burned out on it. I went away for a while, then came back with a new name and approach.

Sure, there are still people I’d like to smack from time to time, but now I only try to smack with reason and logic, and no insults or confrontational tone. This isn’t a street fight. If it was I’d be kicking some major ass, but fights here are never really won. It’s not that kind of arena.

I hear what you mean about burnout. For me, it’s never about fighting, but points of view. I’m always interested in seeing what another person’s point of view is because it allows me to see things in a way that I hadn’t before, and hopefully I am able to do the same for them through discussion. But again, what I end up running into sometimes is people that are not interested in points of view, just dictating the way “it has to be” because “that’s how it was.” And sometimes, come to find out, it wasn’t even like that… That’s usually when I get frustrated, and I’m sure my posts can read that way.

It’s also not about winning to me, either. And I’m not saying that you were saying that it is or was. It’s about people having the right to be heard and to be able to voice their opinions and preferences regardless of whether or not they are TOS fans or the kind of TOS fan another TOS fan thinks they should be. It would be easy to just not post here, but that would (in my mind) equate to being run off. That, I don’t agree with. No one should be run off or made to feel that they can’t or shouldn’t post here.

So mainly I hope for friendly, healthy debate. I don’t have time for anybody who simply wants to provoke me because of an offending opinion. I find I like it here much more than in my previous, argumentative identity.

I continue to share the same hope, and I am learning to identify and not have time for those kinds of individuals as well. Thanks for your insights.

183. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - April 29, 2012

@#145

It’s interesting that you say that. I was tired of the back-and-forth and almost responded to someone yesterday with “TLDR.” Instead, I just learned my lesson and decided to avoid them.

@#151

You’re welcome. :-)

@#164 NCM

Agreed. You’re passionate about your Trek and though I wouldn’t pilot the ship to your full approval, I credit you for staying your course. For what it’s worth, I find you ‘dis’ only when you feel it’s deserved; but posts sometimes are more abrasive than the writer intended (or will own up to) and if you read the threads with salt on-hand, you might find the time better spent and more enjoyable.

Trek on:)!

Thanks, NCM. Luckily, I’ve learned not to expect that some people own up to their abrasiveness, intended or not. And there’s not point in trying to get them to. Some people are going to post how they post, and I’ll just have to skip those parts of the comments. Better spent time indeed!!!

And you keep on trekkin’ back! :-)

184. Battle-scarred Sciatica - April 29, 2012

@43

¿has sido dentro de qué, exactamente?

Dime por favor

185. Vultan - April 29, 2012

#178

Yes, on second thought “Relics” was a bit depressing. But I enjoy seeing Jimmy Doohan play Scotty—in any century, any episode. It’s that simple.

Though I suppose it would’ve been more uplifting to see him put on his old uniform again and lead the Avengers to defeat Loki—eh, sorry, got a little mixed up there. ;)

186. Vultan - April 29, 2012

^ Captain America reference.

187. VOODOO - April 29, 2012

Gary S -

This isn’t fanboy talk. Leonard Nimoy’s potential return came directly from him. AICN was right about 99% of everything they reported about ST 09 including reporting nearly the entire synopsis a year and a half before the film debuted…If they are saying they have independent conformation I would tend to give them the benefit of the doubt.

188. Jack - April 29, 2012

“You found it interesting, but I just couldn’t understand it. I guess maybe it’s that sometimes people want a re-run instead of a reboot. If that’s the case with the movie, or any part of the upcoming ones, then that is their prerogative. I just have an issue when it feels like I’m not even allowed to have a preference about what “could be” even though we’re dealing with a different timeline under different circumstances.”

For Pete’s sake, you weren’t being persecuted for having a view. I just didn’t agree with your argument (and, frankly, your condescension pissed me off after awhile) that it could have been anyone in TOS who read the bloody thing. Like I said, I guess it could indeed have been anybody, but it wasn’t. If you want Quinto to do it, you want Quinto to do it. All I asked is why would Quinto do it? Of course there are no laws saying he can’t.

And, no, it wasn’t just a case of me arguing “it’s always been this way, so it has to be now.” I don’t think I’ve ever argued that on here. If it makes sense and it makes a better story, change it all.

Me, I like the Captain doing it, and it makes sense, in universe, to me. Frankly, I was hoping for a thoughtful discussion because I just didn’t see why it would be Quinto — it wasn’t intended as an attack on you. I just hadn’t ever thought of Spock or Sulu or Uhura doing it.

If you want Quinto to do it, you want Quinto to do it. Instead, you responded telling me I was wrong, and so on and so on. I got annoyed. Finally, I just stopped responding, which I should have done in the first place. A bunch of posts later and you’re still talking about it. And, yeah, I wasn’t talking about being sucked into your discussion with Keachick — it was about being drawn into a really pointless discussion with you…

189. Daoud - April 29, 2012

Why not have Shatner do it at the end. In this universe, we know Kirk could live to an old age…. so these films could be seen as old Kirk reflecting on his “nu” past. (Or, just use TOS’ intro…. they’ve already got it on tape.)

190. Lord Garth, Formerly of Izar - April 29, 2012

Shatner is good for a few more shoulder rolls into judo chops. I just want to see him one more time. He looks good, about the same as he looked in Generations at most angles. The rest can be CGI deaging

The kid has the chick magnet thing down but he fights like a spastic pussy and he always seems to be knocked on his ass

Time for Pine to enter Dojo Shatkirk

191. Jack - April 29, 2012

189. I know, right? Although, me, I’d still like to hear Pine to do it, in that big bold Captain Kirk voice. Maybe they can do it in harmony. I wonder if it would work with Pine — would it just sound campy?

Well, Spock Uhura etc., my apologies if you thought I was telling you that you couldn’t have an opinion, that things couldn’t change or that you were wrong. I look back and I see we both have a bunch of “I just think” disclaimers on our statements.

It’s an interesting question (with no answer, unless they write one) — is it an introduction to the show with no in-universe connection, or is it a mission statement that the Captain (or, yes, someone else) would have read in a log?

I’d thought it was kind of an intriguing thing to discuss.

And yes, you’re correct that it’s the entire crew’s mission, not just the captain’s.

192. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - April 29, 2012

@ Jack

I wasn’t responding telling you that you were “wrong.” That is why I said “Fair enough” and rephrased my response seeing as that was how you took it. I did not say that you in particular were “persecuting” me. I was talking to someone else about my entire experience here with some people, not necessarily you, although I don’t know why after I answered your question about “why Spock,” there needed to be anymore to it. If I came off as condescending to you, it was only out of frustration with your taunts along the lines of “well why not just change everything like the color of Spock’s blood…”

My comments about “pointless” discussions were not directed at you, but if you think our entire exchange was that, then that’s your opinion.

Well, I just read your last post, and thank you for the apology. I appreciate it. I think it’s nice for us to be able to just say what we think, and let that be that. And on the question about if it’s at the beginning of a log, I think that maybe we’ll see. It could also be what Shilliam mentioned about if they even decide to have one. Who knows? They might not have one, or for this universe they might write a new one that Kirk says in the film as the beginning of his first log entry. Seeing as the films are not a series, there isn’t a real need for him to say it more than once. Other officers have their own personal logs too, so perhaps we might hear what they might say too.

I appreciate the discussion and your point of view. Thank you for respecting mine.

193. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - April 29, 2012

Correction: While they all have personal logs, I meant to say professional logs in this instance.

194. Battle-scarred Sciatica - April 29, 2012

“fights like a spastic pussy……”

Mmmmmmwoaoaohahahahahaha.

Now that is brilliant….:)

195. Shilliam Watner - April 29, 2012

183. Spock/Uhura Admirer – Not sure that I have much insight, but I try to be decent. It’s difficult in this kind of forum, where you’re anonymous, not to be tempted to be a major dick at times. People can say some really offensive things here sometimes and it’s hard not to want to flay them.

That’s why, when I came back with the resolve to be more decent, I included my Flickr web site (click on my name if you so desire, you’ll get a cool downloadable Trek poster) so that I wasn’t anonymous any longer. When people know who you are, you’re less likely to be a big dick. That doesn’t mean I won’t take on somebody when I think they’re being hateful, as in the case of trashing Zachary Quinto when he revealed he was gay.

It’s hard not to be sucked in. But it’s possible to fight hard without being unfair. So when I’m here, I now rely more on my debate experience, and less on my fighting experience.

Anyway, be well! See you around.

196. Shilliam Watner - April 29, 2012

As for mission statements, not every Star Trek movie had them. I only remember it happening in TWOK and ST09. Was it said in any of the other movies? I’m really drawing a blank here.

197. Shilliam Watner - April 29, 2012

190. Lord Garth – Yes, I agree that Kirk was kicked around too much. I think we really need to see Pine/Kirk kick some serious ass in the next film. He needs a Bruce Lee moment. He got his brainy moments, but I’d rather not see him rescued by Sulu, Pike, Spock Prime, Spock young, or dumb luck.

198. Sebastian S. - April 29, 2012

# 195

Shilliam

I admire your self-restraint (and your great moniker). Everyone on this site would do better by your example of civil behavior. :-)

While I’m all for free self-expression and opinions (god knows I’ve had a few ‘unpopular’ ones myself), I can’t stand when it descends into name calling, flaming, trolling and baiting. We’re ALL ST fans. Let’s follow in ST’s example and accept other opinions (even when they conflict with our own) and try to be civil to each other (infinite diversity, folks). Honest debates are fine. Disagreements are fine (and can still be civil). We should just treat others here as you would if you were speaking to them face-to-face, that’s all. It costs nothing to do so (and by listening to others, we’re even liable to learn something. Who knows?).

And hey, if MJ and I can patch up our differences and make peace on this site? ANYTHING is possible…. ;-D

199. Jack - April 29, 2012

198. Hear, hear.

200. Jack - April 29, 2012

As for mission statements, not every Star Trek movie had them.

196. Correct. Only II and Trek ’09. Both Nimoy.

Wait, did III? I don’t think so. I remember they recycled that last bit for the opening credits, but I don’t remember the spiel. So, yeah, just the two.

201. Shilliam Watner - April 29, 2012

198. Sebastian S. – Thanks. I hope I can consistently model that civil behavior I’m espousing.

200. Jack – I don’t remember III having the statement. It does seem odd that Shatner never got to say it in the movies, and Nimoy did it twice. But both times it seemed appropriate for him to do it. The first time because he was dead, and the second time because he was handing over the torch.

Except now he’s maybe coming back. Which is OK I guess, but not really necessary. But hell, I still love Nimoy as Spock.

202. Red Dead Ryan - April 29, 2012

Shatner said a variation of the monologue at the end of “The Undiscovered Country”.

203. Jack - April 29, 2012

201. “But both times it seemed appropriate for him to do it. The first time because he was dead, and the second time because he was handing over the torch.”

Agreed. I really wasn’t attacking anyone for suggesting that Quinto do it. I just didn’t understand the motivation — apart from “there’s no law saying the captain has it say it.” I wasn’t raging against change — I just had never thought of Spock, if Kirk was in command under normal circumstances, doing that bit (which probably won’t even be in the movie). I was kind of surprised by the idea — maybe it would work, I don’t know. “Because I’d like to hear Quinto do it” is a fair enough answer. Nor did I intentionally suggest that heck, if we change this, why not change everything — I just didn’t understand the statement that it just as easily could have been any crew member doing the intro in TOS, it just happened to be the Captain.

202. RDR. Yeah. He said that bit at the very end of his entry.

“Captain’s log, stardate 9529.1. This is the final cruise of the starship Enterprise under my command. This ship and her history will shortly become the care of another crew. To them and their posterity will we commit our future. They will continue the voyages we have begun and journey to all the undiscovered countries, boldly going where no man…where no one… has gone before.”

204. Shilliam Watner - April 29, 2012

202. Red Dead Ryan -
203. Jack -

I remember that now. I’d forgotten. Totally appropriate considering it was their last film. thanks for the memory jog.

205. Jack - April 29, 2012

Actually, come to think of it — “someone” doing that intro, overlayed with a few superfast shots from the film, would make a nifty teaser trailer. Especially the juxtaposition of teh hopefulness, and say, some really scary shots of general destruction from the movie…

:)

206. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - April 29, 2012

The video is now up over on aintitcoolnews, of Nimoy saying were taking were talking, when asked he is going to be in another star trek film

207. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - April 30, 2012

You’re welcome for pointing out the video had been posted over there.

208. Dom - April 30, 2012

I don’t want Shatner and Nimoy to close out the ‘trilogy’ as I don’t particularly want a trilogy. The new cast have years in which to play the characters and after a certain point the whole thing can be rebooted again with another new cast.

If the new movie does indeed feature Khan, then I guess Spock Jr can videocall Spock Sr and say ‘Hello namesake! You remember meeting some bloke called Khan?!’ Spock Sr raises an eyebrow and Shatner’s Kirk Sr walks into frame thunderstruck and yells KHAAAAAAN!!’

‘Oh.’ Says Spock Jr. Calls Kirk Jr and orders Khan and his flunkies flushed out of the airlock.

209. VOODOO - April 30, 2012

If there isn’t some kind of denial very shortly I think it’s a done deal that Leonard Nimoy will be back as Spock in either the second or third film. If this is the case I couldn’t be happier.

210. phil - April 30, 2012

quinto is a pris. not the young spock i imagined.

211. Charla - April 30, 2012

RDR- I too think Pine should deliver the opening monologue. He earned it last movie. *crossing fingers!

212. rm10019 - April 30, 2012

Pine should have done it at the end of Trek 09. Good movie, and it would have been a fitting close to the film.

213. filmboy33 - April 30, 2012

My opinion is that there will be a death among the crew of the Enterprise. Not Spock again, but someone else. Spock prime will come to the funeral of said crewmember. I have no idea who JJ and company will kill off, but my feeling all along has been that someone will sacrifice themselves in this film to save the crew.

I mean sure you could do the whole ‘let’s revisit Spock prime at the new vulcan homeworld’. But I think not. I’m placing my bets on a fallen crewmember of the USS Enterprise and a funeral at the end.

214. jeannieSpock - April 30, 2012

Well, I hope it is true! It really looks like Nimoy is part of the new movie. There is a pic of him at the link below. When I first saw it I assumed it was from the last movie – same outfit – thought they had got the pics mixed up. I’ve seen this on several sites now so I think it is Kosher. I was a well kept secret for while anyway. I’m delighted for Nimoy if this is true.
Here’s a link…
http://www.movieweb.com/news/star-trek-2-spock-photos-with-leonard-nimoy-and-zachary-quinto

215. Gary S. - April 30, 2012

#214 Those are the old photos.
All we have are a few cryptic comments of Mr.Nimoy caught on video.
The rest is just a snowballing rumor .

216. Thomas - April 30, 2012

Ain’t It Cool News has done a follow-up to its’ last Trek Story, including information about Nimoy’s potential involvement in the next Movie.

You can read it here, but be forewarned, there are MASSIVE POTENTIAL SPOILERS if you link the link:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/55344

217. Tom - April 30, 2012

If this is true and he is indeed in the movie, how can you not revisit the Shatner hologram scene!!!!

218. The Red Shirt Diaries - April 30, 2012

It would be great if there were a comic/graphic novel made of ST 2009 but with the images of Shatner, Nimoy, Hunter, Kelley etc, in place of the new actors. Imagine the bar scene with a young Shatner and Hunter. That would be cool.
Or better yet a cgi cartoon with the TOS actors!

219. VOODOO - April 30, 2012

Looks like AICN may have broken the story about new Star Trek film again… It should be noted that they even admit that they can’t be 100% certain, but it makes sense to me.

I won’t post any of these potential spoilers, but I for one have very mixed feelings about the villian. I’m not saying it won’t work, but it kind of has a been there done that feel to it.

On the other hand I am quite happy (if true) about one of the major spoilers.

Don’t click on this link if you don’t want to see some potentially pretty big spoilers

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/55344

220. VOODOO - April 30, 2012

216 – Thomas

Sorry Thomas, I didn’t notice that you posted the same exact info a couple of posts back.

221. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - April 30, 2012

@#195 Shilliam

I don’t know, anonymous or not, I think people are who they are. It could be argued that people are more of who they really are when they are anonymous, but regardless, my interest isn’t in identities as much as it is in various points of view. You’re probably right that if people had their true (or at least known) identities attached to their comments that the comments would be more respectful. I would hope that the content would still be the same (just packaged in a more decent and less hostile and demanding way), but who knows.

The other issue is that anybody can say they’re anybody – any real anybody online, so again, it’s not a real issue for me (and I don’t think you’re doing that). The only time it would be (to me) is if someone were doing something criminal or borderline criminal, and then I’d suspect that whoever owns the website would have access to and would report their IP address to the appropriate authorities. It can get tricky when it’s international, though (and that’s not directed at anyone in particular for the record – I feel like I should say that because sometimes people think you’re talking about them when you’re not). Thanks for directing me to your link. I hadn’t thought of clicking on it before, or anyone else’s for that matter.

Do you mind saying who you were previously, or is that something you’d like to stay away from. I’m curious, but I don’t need to know if you’re uncomfortable with it.

That doesn’t mean I won’t take on somebody when I think they’re being hateful, as in the case of trashing Zachary Quinto when he revealed he was gay.

I agree. I avoided that thread for a good while because of what I read on it. He comes out of the closet, and there were people that seemed intent on pushing him back in… It’s a sad day when someone can’t be who they are. Acting should be his job, not his life…

Anyway, so then, I finally decided to post a nice little note of support, and before I knew it I was attacked for basically saying that we’re all human beings and should be treated as such. I think the guy called me “fluffy” or something like that… I held my ground and just basically told him that love doesn’t discriminate.

I recently ran across a quote from C.S. Lewis that states:

“Friendship is born at that moment when one person says to another: “What! You too? I thought I was the only one.””

That’s all of us about something, so I think we should all try to be friendly with one another – and accepting.

See you around as well. :-)

222. The Unknown Poster - April 30, 2012

Those who say the public at large wouldnt care about Shatner in a sequel are nuts. It would be HUGE news everywhere. Whatever theyd pay him would be worth it just for the publicity he’d bring to the movie.

223. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - April 30, 2012

@# 210

You could kind of say that about everybody, but I think they all worked out fine. Well, I’m still warming up to Scotty, but I’m hoping that with this next film it’ll click.

224. Shilliam Watner - April 30, 2012

No, please, I don’t want Shatner. But that’s all I’m going to say because if I get caught up in this stupid argument again I’ll go insane.

225. VOODOO - April 30, 2012

# 222

I couldn’t agree more.

226. Shilliam Watner - April 30, 2012

221. Spock/Uhura Admirer- I wish to keep my previous identity a secret. It’s not that I was a monster, but I DID get caught up too much in the silly fights. But mostly I acted just as Shilliam Watner has been acting here.

227. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - April 30, 2012

@224

Stay strong! As you so eloquently let me know – it’s not worth it. No gray hairs for you today. :-)

228. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - April 30, 2012

@ Shilliam

That’s perfectly understandable, and quite alright by me. It’s easy to get sucked into a vortex, but I’m glad you’re still here. Everyone that has an opinion should be able to state what it is.

229. Basement Blogger - April 30, 2012

@ 4

Sorry, DanielCraigismywookiebitchnow, with today’s story on this site, I’m not gong to eat my words. By the way, I am not rooting for Khan.

If I may paraphrase Spock, use logic. Look at the evidence and you can see why I was right. Don’t let your emotions control you. :-)

230. Scotty - April 30, 2012

There was a good reason to have Spock in the first movie. The writers told Leonard Nimoy that they couldn’t make that film without him.

Leonard Nimoy has said before he would only return to spock if it served a purpose. He turned down starring in Generations, because his part served no purpose and his lines were given to Scotty instead. He served a significant purpose in the first movie, even tho he didn’t have a lot of on-screen time. That purpose has been served, and there’s no reason to bring him back again just to bring him back. I don’t think he would return for a minor role or a cameo. He would only return to the role that he has said goodbye to so many times before (Star Trek II, Star Trek VI, and the TNG Unification episodes) if it served a purpose.

These writers are smart have a good feel on what works and doesn’t work. Finding a way to bring Kirk back didn’t work. We need to remember that they not making these new movies with only us hard core life-long fans. They are are making them for new fans and broader audience. There’s no way it could have the money it did if it were just the original fans. I think they did a great job at earning a new fan base while keeping us originals satisfied.

As far as William Shatner, bringing him back would not be an easy sell and really would serve no purpose. I think the main reasons why Shatner wanted in the movie was 2 reasons: 1) Its hard for him to imagine a Star Trek universe without him (not his character) in it. He never watched any of the other series or movies. 2) He and Nimoy are great friends, but are very competitive (at least Shatner is). I think it really bothered him that Nimoy was getting to be in this big block buster return of Trek and that he wasn’t being included. He still thinks that Nimoy planned to die in Star Trek II knowing that he would come back in III and get to direct.

Having said that, I love both actors and the characters they portrayed. Kirk died (in a lame way) and I would like to remember his character for he was and not try to find a sneaky way of pulling him back in. The latest movie was a great role for Spock Prime and had a sense of finally to it, and I think its a good way to send that character off into the sunset. I think the same people here who say that a new movie with Shatner would make things better are the same people who would say “Wow, the way they brought back his character really sucked.” I think we should appreciate/remember “our” trek and let it retire and allow the new guys to do their thing.

231. nerd@gmail.com - April 30, 2012

157
“So are people who mock other’s views without substantial proof”

I’ve had substantial proof. While it is officially confirmed today, it has been pretty obvious since the beginning. And it wasn’t another’s “view”; you were just plain wrong. I love the fanboy attitude that if you close your eyes hard enough and stick your fingers in your ears, it’ll make the reality of things go away. lol.

232. Dennis Bailey - April 30, 2012

Mr #231 there does a fair imitation of my crummy, supercilious attitude, I’ll admit that much – if I didn’t know that I was me (?) I might think that I’d posted that.

I didn’t, though. Maybe it’s an alternate timeline. LOL

233. Shilliam Watner - April 30, 2012

230. Scotty – If I agreed with you any more than I already do, we’d be the same person. Any effort to bring back Shatner would be so cheap as to be distracting. I’m tired of Star Trek not being able to leave its dead characters that way. When you keep bringing a character back from the dead, it robs that death from any meaningful purpose it originally had.

I don’t think having Nimoy in the new film is at all necessary, but since he IS now in that universe, I’ll be OK with it. However, I don’t see how his appearance could be as vital as it was in the first film, so why do it at all? An unnecessary cameo would just be sad if you ask me. But creating some hackneyed way to bring Shatner’s Kirk back would just result in transparent pandering to a minority of fans who want to see him in the part again.

The first movie proved it can succeed without Shatner, I’d really like to see them move past the original cast completely. But more than anything, I’d like to see a new Trek series on TV. I don’t want just a movie every four years.

234. DS9 IN PRIME TIME - April 30, 2012

I would LOVE to see Mr Nimoy in the new movie!!!

235. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - April 30, 2012

229 , well if it is khan it will show the lack of orginality and creativty on their part. And as I said the argument that some like to use,trying to compare Khan to the joker in why they think the villian in Khan. Khan is not Trek’s equivilant of the Joker. Khan was a two off GUEST STAR,he is not mentioned at all between the years of space seed and TWOK and then after TWOK he is never mentioned again
.

236. Aurore - April 30, 2012

“Mr #231 there does a fair imitation of my crummy, supercilious attitude, I’ll admit that much – if I didn’t know that I was me (?) I might think that I’d posted that.”
____________

Oh. My. God.

So…you really meant it , on the other thread, when you said that you were not above gratuitously etc, etc,…..

I never came across “those” posts, here.
I truly believed that it could be someone other than you…or, as I said elsewhere, that you were expressing long-repressed feelings!

:)

Well, as they say “imitation is the highest form of flattery”.

237. Basement Blogger - April 30, 2012

235

Danielcraigismywookiebitchnow, I agree with your comment that Khan should not be compared to the Joker.

238. LazarusNine - May 1, 2012

This story made it onto the Guardian and TrekMovie is cited!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2012/may/01/leonard-nimoy-spock-star-trek

239. VulcanFilmCritic - May 1, 2012

Is Leonard backing away from his “we’re talking” comment over at The Real Nimoy?

240. Jack - May 1, 2012

Spock-Uhura lover, I’ve been sitting on this for days and gotta say, you’re full of crap.

This ‘how dare you disagree with me, I can’t see why you have to respond to everything I say’… crap, is crap.

I didn’t taunt you and say, hell, why not change everything and give Spock orange blood etc.

You said: “It could just as easily have been any main cast member giving the intro, it just happened to be the captain.”

That doesn’t make any fu**ing sense. Like I said, well, yes, anything could just as easily been anything — except it wasn’t. And then I said, yep, Spock could have had orange blood, except he didn’t. Same as “well, there’s no law that’s saying the captain has to do it.” I guess there’s not, but what does that have to do with anything?

Does that mean Quinto can’t do it? No.

I’m pissed off at you for your long woe-is-me complaint to Watner (which, when I mentioned it you said “I wasn’t talking to you.”) about how you can’t understand people who are against change, etc. Way to be the victim.

If you’ve ever seen anything I’ve written on here, I’ve never complained about them changing things.

I notice looking at your previous tiffs with people, that a lot of them are “you said” and “I said” — I hate that shit, I’ve had to many exes who love that crap — and yet I find myself doing it with you.

If you want to be able to say things with nobody commenting in them, then get a blog and turn off the comments.

241. Jack - May 1, 2012

235, 237. Agreed.

Gotta say, if it is Khan, I’m counting on them to do it well. And I get them wanting to do their version. Nero certainly didn’t cut it — and hopefully they have all that Wrath of Khan copycat stuff (revenge, not-ceti-eels) out of their systems, so we can get something fresh.

I was hoping it would be someone else, but, gotta say, I feel an odd and completely unexpected sense of relief. Not sure why.

242. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - May 1, 2012

Wow. So you went from an apology to that with nothing in-between. Anyway, it was nice talking to you while it was nice.

Take care.

243. Jack - May 1, 2012

242. In between was the ‘you taunted me’ nonsense. Agreed, no more talking.

244. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - May 2, 2012

“In between was the ‘you taunted me’ nonsense. ”

#100 “I guess Ryan Seacrest could. I guess Keenser could. Hell, why don’t you phone it in…”

#110 “Spock could just as easily have had orange blood, the tribbles could just as easily have been carnivorous and, well, the phasers could just as easily have been shaped like turnips”

245. phil - May 3, 2012

shatner is better than this new franchise.

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