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FedCon Sat: Frakes Reveals Star Trek Sequel Set Visit + Shatner On JJ Not Hiring Him + McFadden Hopes For ‘Big Bang’ May 20, 2012

by Henning Koonert , Filed under: Celebrity,Conventions/Events/Attractions,Shatner,Star Trek (2009 film),Star Trek Into Darkness,TNG,TOS , trackback

On Saturday, the third day of this year’s FedCon, Jonathan Frakes revealed he had been on the set of the new Star Trek movie, William Shatner filled not one but two rooms and talked about JJ Abrams not hiring him, while Gates McFadden told the audience about her heroes and said she hoped to join Wil Wheaon on Big Bang Theory. See below for full report.



Jonathan Frakes reveals his Star Trek sequel set visit

In many ways Jonathan Frakes’ second appearance this weekend was a continuation of his first panel with the jokes and comedy, and with Frakes leaving the stage to roam through the audience and even with a sequel to yesterday’s question about "bedroom scenes". The actor-turned-director did however reveal a bit of information that was new: he told the audience that he had paid a visit to the set of the next Star Trek movie and had witnessed a scene with Chris Pine and the villain Benedict Cumberbatch, whom Frakes described as "awesome!"

Jonathan Frakes remembered how friendly DeForest Kelley had been to him when First Contact, Frakes’ debut movie as a director opened. He said that he was very nervous back then when he received a phone call from DeForest Kelley, who reassuringly congratulated him on a fine movie. Someone then indeed had a question about the bedroom scenes Jonathan Frakes seemed so eager to talk about yesterday and the actor summed up all the different species members that Riker had had relationships with.

Asked for a story from North & South, Frakes recounted how he fell in love with his wife during the shoot. According to Frakes, during a weekend trip to New Orleans some members of the company took the then 23-year old, innocent Genie Francis to a strip joint with male strippers, and she was appalled. "And the big flirt I was back then, I asked her if she would like me to get her out of there." Then the first challenge of the young love arose when Genie had an appetite for a grilled cheese sandwich at 3 o’clock in the morning. Frakes concluded: "And you know why we’re still together? Because I found her one!"

Shatner talks buying JJ Sushi, New Documentary Danny Crane & more

William Shatner’s outsized superstar status was underlined by the fact that where convention star guests usually fill one hall, on this evening Shatner filled two. William Shatner’s appearance in the main theatre in front of weekend-ticket holders was broadcast live to a second room where the day-ticket holders were seated. Although the FedCon booklet mentioned that this latter group might not be able to see the actor in person and have the opportunity to ask him questions, a number of people were not aware of this, which led to a bit of discontent. However, William Shatner was nice enough to briefly drop by the second room to at least say hello to those who would not be able to see him in person during his panel.

Shatner first told his audience about his latest projects, among them his his new documentary about conventions which will air later this year in Canada under the title "Fan Addicts" and in the US, where it will be called "Get a Life!" This title is based on his previous book "Get a Life!" about conventions and his discovery that people generally attend "to see each other, and not me – which I had thought all the time."

Shatner then took questions, answering them with grace and wit. Shatner admitted that he had never seen any of the Star Trek shows other than his own. He said he didn’t really know why but it might have been due to feeling jealous or envious. Asked about his idea for an appearance on Enterprise in a Mirror universe episode, he said he couldn’t remember the details. He did remember though having met JJ Abrams for lunch before they started filming Star Trek (2009). Shatner’s comment on that meeting: "I bought him sushi and he still didnt give me a job!" Leonard Nimoy of course did get a job in that movie, on which Shatner opined dryly: "I told Leonard: You’re old when you travel back in time and you’re still old."

Asked about how much William Shatner is part of Denny Crane, he described the character as a "befuddled old man" and joked that the audience would discover during the panel that he and Denny Crane have a lot in common. On a more serious note he then added "No matter how good the actor is, he can only bring himself to the role." and that – as someone who has had to exercise his brain regularly by learning lines and so forth – it was an interesting opportunity for him "to examine how someone’s brain got fried."

Shatner revealed that he had received an offer to appear on "The Big Bang Theory" but had turned it down. Asked why, Shatner replied: "It just seemed like something I shouldn’t do. It was an intuitive decision." A bit later, the actor elaborated on why the part that is closest to his heart used to be Captain Kirk but his heart evolved, Shatner said, and now it is Denny Crane because "saying something as Denny Crane required you to say it on three different levels and you would maybe catch two, certainly one."

Gates McFadden on friendship and inspiration – and hoping to be on ‘Big Bang’

Earlier on Saturday, Gates McFadden had entertained the crowd during her second time on stage this weekend. She started her panel updating the audience on her professional career. McFadden has been working as an artistic director at Ensemble Studio Theatre in Los Angeles for the last two years. There she actually directed Denise Crosby in one play and both women really got to know each other only then since they had hardly any common scenes during TNG’s first season.

McFadden found it a shame that the two of them didn’t get the chance to get to know each other better during Trek since both are sure that they could have been good friends back then. She regrets that the TNG writers didn’t include more material about female friendships in the scripts. In her opinion, this aspect was sometimes reduced to "going to the gym together."

A fun idea was brought up in connection with Wil Wheaton and his recent stints as an evil version of himself on "The Big Bang Theory": wouldn’t it be fun if Gates McFadden played his mother on the show? That prompted Gates McFadden, who loved the idea, to suggest that she as his mother then should be as nasty as Wheaton himself appears on the show.

McFadden’s time on stage ended with a discussion of her personal heroes and the women who inspire her. People like Judy Dench and Hillary Clinton inspired her, she said, in addition to her own mother. Her heroes include the Mercury 7 astronauts specifically and all people who dare to venture out into space and not just pretend to like she did as an actress. She herself would love to go into space for real once before she dies, McFadden said.

On Sunday William Shatner will appear a second time and Walter Koenig and Garrett Wang will take the stage together before FedCon XXI ends with its traditional closing ceremony.

Henning Koonert, TrekMovie’s German correspondent, is one of the managers for The TrekZone Network, a leading German Star Trek website (and TrekMovie.com partner). Henning will be reporting from FedCon XIX, so look for more updates.


1. Peter Loader - May 20, 2012

Be nice to see some more Trek stars on Big Bang Theory.

2. CmdrR - May 20, 2012

Bill’s trimmed down a little, I think.

Wish I could be a totally rich nerd and attend many more of these conventions.

3. Elias Javalis - May 20, 2012

Must Shatner and Frakes age? I wont accept that :)

4. VulcanFilmCritic - May 20, 2012

Mr. Shatner is apparently discussing not being asked to be in the FIRST movie, but has anyone asked him if he will be appearing in the SECOND ST movie? Hmmmmmm…
Well, if J J Abrams asks and he turns down the role a second time because it’s not big enough, then I will be a little miffed.

5. pilotfred - May 20, 2012

looking forward to october when the when the five captain are coming to london

6. Christopher Roberts - May 20, 2012

Frakes got to visit again?!? Awww man. He always gets to just drop by…

7. Landru's cousin, Dandru - May 20, 2012

Shatner is being his usual disingenuous self. He WAS asked to be in the first film–they even wrote him a very stirring scene. But he turned it down because the role wasn’t central enough for him. So the problem wasn’t J.J. Abrams–it was Shatner’s ego.

8. denny cranium - May 20, 2012

As far as Shatner turning down TBBT?
Same thing as in Dandru’s post- Mr Shatner’s ego.
Shatner does look good in those pics by the way.
I admire Shatner’s career greatly- I wish he would take part in projects where he doesn’t have to be front and centre all the time.
Your legacy is secure Bill.
Take a lead from Nimoy- if its a good character – take the job

9. Bird Of Prey - May 20, 2012

McFadden playing Wheaton’s mum in a show, where Wheaton plays himself, while within the show’s universe, Weasley as a fictional character, the whole TNG-series, and therefore also Gates McFadden exist?

My brain hurts! (I am loving this idea!)

10. VZX - May 20, 2012

If McFadden played Wheaton’s mother on BBT, I would have a geekgasm.

11. Thorny - May 20, 2012

Nitpick: Shatner’s character was Denny Crane, not Danny.

12. Montreal_Paul - May 20, 2012

7. Landru’s cousin, Dandru

Unfortunately, they never showed Shatner the scene. I think if he would have read it, he would have agreed to be in it. It would have been a great ego stroke for him.

13. Andy Patterson - May 20, 2012

Fun to see Shatner.

@2 CmdrR

Agree. Lotta things I’d do if I were rich.

14. Valenti - May 20, 2012

And in the mean time, John de Lancie and Patrick Steweart were at the Dallas Comic Con. :P

15. Valenti - May 20, 2012


16. William Kirk - May 20, 2012

@7 – Shatner was NOT asked, it was confirmed on the web for several times…

17. Shamelord - May 20, 2012

The anecdote about DeForest Kelley reassuring Jonathan Frakes reminds me why he is the one Star Trek actor I would have liked to meet above all. You’re still missed Mr. Kelley!

18. Adam C - May 20, 2012

touching bit of info about DeForest Kelley and Jonathan Frakes

19. Red Dead Ryan - May 20, 2012

William Shatner still seems a bit bitter about not being offered a role in the first movie.

As for Jonathan Frakes, its cool he got to visit the set and witness a scene between Chris Pine and Benedict Cumberbatch. I bet he and J.J are good friends. I wouldn’t mind seeing Frakes appear on/direct an episode of “Fringe”. Or “Hawaii Five-O”. That would be cool!

And it was also classy of DeForrest Kelley to give some advice to Frakes!

20. Magic_Al - May 20, 2012

They wrote a scene but apparently decided against Shatner before he ever read it. I don’t think he would have turned it down. It was well-written and he would have felt competitive with Nimoy. He’s appeared as Kirk in video games and TV commercials. Nimoy is usually the harder one to get.

21. Prince of Helium - May 20, 2012

Gates…. still hot.

22. PEB - May 20, 2012

Kind of off topic here, but i’m watching Inception for the umpteenth time and realizing just how wrongly-used Tom Hardy was in ST Nemesis. He’s an incredible actor (as some Trekkies couldnt admit then) and he really knows how to dive into a good rich character. Such a waste of great talent.

-Sorry for the random outburst Anthony but I had to get that off my chest.

23. Anthony Thompson - May 20, 2012

16. William Kirk

And he was NOT asked to the Takei wedding. Right…

“confirmed on the web”. Are you kidding, homeboy?

24. Brevard - May 20, 2012

Shatner felt he shouldn’t be a part of The Big Bang Theory on an intuitive level? Hmmmm…This from the man who was okay with killing off Captain Kirk because it seemed the right thing to do. I’m a big fan of Mr. Shatner, but sometimes I think he can make really bad decisions. As evidenced in much of his career outside of Trek.

25. Keachick - rose pinenut - May 20, 2012

I am not sure where to put this, but I notice on the Twitter board that Trekmovie is asking a Dutch tweeter for translation of an interview he did with Chris Pine in Cannes. I don’t know if it is the same interview as this (see below). I used Google translation software to translate into English.

‘The Guardians have the task of protecting children from all evil. Can you describe them as a kind of superhero?’
(Chris Pine answers):
“I think that’s a good characterization, yes. It’s always reassuring to know that secret superheroes who protect us and help of fears and threats to come. In your childhood that the tooth fairy and the sandman. For adults example, there are The Avengers , with their big guns and arrows and tight outfits. While it is unfortunate that somewhere adults can no longer believe in the same uninhibited way as children. ”

‘You yourself will soon be seen again in the role of another superhero, namely Captain James T. Kirk in the new Star Trek movie.’
(Chris Pine answers):
“It is true that we are almost finished recording the new movie. But I dare James Kirk is not really a superhero name. He belongs in the list at home with John McClane from Die Hard or Indiana Jones . They are really ordinary men who by chance end up in an extraordinary situation. And every time it is interesting to see how they deal with it go.”

BTW, I loved the reference to adults preferring their superheroes to have big guns and arrows and to be wearing tight outfits…LOL!!!

The translation of the entire Dutch interview appears on the Chris Pine in Cannes thread on this board.

26. Charla - May 20, 2012

#2 I feel your pain CmdrR!!

To Anthony and crew, Great article with lots of good information about Frakes, Kelley, Shatner and McFadden! Thanks :D

#22 I really like Tom Hardy too, as well as the movie Inception- I have watched it probably 4 times (not as much as ST 09 of course lol) I didn’t realize Tom Hardy was even in ST Nemesis. Guess I will have to watch it again now, darn it have to watch another Trek movie again! haha

27. MJ - May 20, 2012

“Shatner first told his audience about his latest projects, among them his his new documentary about conventions which will air later this year in Canada under the title “Fan Addicts” and in the US, where it will be called “Get a Life!” This title is based on his previous book “Get a Life!” about conventions and his discovery that people generally attend “to see each other, and not me – which I had thought all the time.”

For all of you Shat worshippers — get ready for the cruelest joke of all on you, when Shat himself makes fun of you for $$$ in this “mocumentary.”

“Shatner admitted that he had never seen any of the Star Trek shows other than his own. He said he didn’t really know why but it might have been due to feeling jealous or envious. ”

What a pompous jerk!

28. Keachick - rose pinenut - May 20, 2012

I assume that Jonathan Frakes meant that only Benedict Cumberbatch was “awesome” in the scene he saw him with Chris Pine. Surely, for the scene to really work, both actors would need to be “awesome” in their respective parts. I agree, from the little I have watched of Benedict Cumberbatch (watched my second Sherlock episode last Friday), he is really good, however what people should remember is that often an actor can only be as good as who they are acting with. One can often bring out the best in the other, or not.

I find it *interesting* that, after casting around for actors like Benecio Del Toro and others, JJ Abrams would select a “pasty white Englishman” Benedict Cumberbatch to play the main guest character for the movie. JJ Abrams needed people who could work well, be a good match, for the new cast they had already, who are very good actors. This would be especially important that he find the right people to play the two main lead actors, Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto. To me, getting someone of the calibre of Cumberbatch just shows how good Pine and Quinto really are at their work.

With modern makeup, prosthetics, whatever and post-production techniques, they can make these actors look anything they want. However, BEING those characters, whoever they might be, requires the skill of a particular actor.

29. Keachick - rose pinenut - May 20, 2012

Charla – Tom Hardy is the reason I might choose to watch Nemesis. Tom Hardy is on our TV screens in NZ at the moment, appearing as Heathcliffe in the latest interpretation of the Emily Bronte classic, Wuthering Heights. He is so very good. Interesting to note that Tom Hardy is often criticised by Americans for not having his teeth fixed, especially the crowded, crooked bottom teeth, yet in Wuthering Heights, looking the way he does made the character all the more convincing.

Besides, Tom Hardy has the most gorgeous lips in the universe. Chris Pine beats him on gorgeous (blue) eyes, but not quite in the lip department. Sorry, Chris. Oh, and while I am in this…er…um state, I have to say that Damon Lindelof has the most gorgeous looking brown eyes! and damn it, wouldn’t you know it…these guys were all born under the sign of Virgo!…sigh.

30. Keachick - rose pinenut - May 20, 2012

Edit: Damon Lindelof is Taurus, not Virgo. I keep getting him mixed up with Alex Kurtzman, not sure why. Kurtzman is Virgo (b. 7 September).

31. MJ - May 20, 2012

Keachick, thanks for clearing up for me the Tom Hardy teeth and lip situation, plus Linddelof’s and Kurtzman’s zodiac signs…not knowing the answers to these questions have been causing me to lose sleep at night. :-)

32. Basement Blogger - May 20, 2012

Thanks Henning. Excellent report. Good to hear from Jonathan Frakes. Though I wonder where he got the grilled cheese sandwich at 3:00 a.m. Always good to hear from William Shatner. And the bonus is to hear from Gates McFadden. Remember the great scene in “Generations” where she there’s a close up of her lovely face. The Klingon women remark how repulsive earth women are. That was funny considering we earthmen find Gates, a beautiful woman.

33. Mike - May 20, 2012

Is Garrett Wang going to complain again how Shatner showed him up at a previous convention? Even though I don’t think Shatner was as ugly as Wang claims. While Shatner has a huge ego, it’s well earned…what has Wang ever done? Worse Trek character ever!

34. Sonak - May 20, 2012

27 – hear, hear, MJ! He refuses to watch any other Trek (Frakes seemed shocked by this in The Captain’s Summit on Blu-Ray) but expects to be offered a part in the new films. JJ owes him nothing.

35. MJ - May 20, 2012

@34. Agreed. Wang is an entitled idiot who keeps putting his foot in his mouth, who played an unmemorable bit character on a Trek series, who had a track record of being late to the set, who had delusions of grandeur (e.g. asked to have a stunt double as if he was one of the primary characters), and has been quoted multiple times taking potshots at his fellow Voyage actors and crew, as well as other Trek series actors.

At least Shat earned the right to be an a-hole. What did Garret Wang ever do to deserve this platform in Trekdom?

36. Harry Ballz - May 20, 2012

Funny, considering wang is slang for dick. So, Wang is being a………..

…….rather unpleasant fellow!

37. MJ - May 20, 2012


Everybody have fun tonight,
Everybody (Garret) Wang chung tonight.”


38. Landru's cousin, Dandru - May 20, 2012

#30: It doesn’t matter what his sign is. Astrology is complete bullshit.

39. Keachick - rose pinenut - May 20, 2012

MJ – You’re welcome. Any time, mate.

40. Anthony Thompson - May 20, 2012

I get a kick out of Garret Wang. : ) He’s a good-time, affable kind of guy. That’s probably why he gets invited to lots of conventions.

41. Anthony Thompson - May 20, 2012

27. MJ

Hear, hear! And he’s still griping about not being in JJ’s movie – three years after the fact!

42. Basement Blogger - May 20, 2012

I have not heard Garret Wang make the evil remarks everybody says he has. I’m not saying you guys are lying but I have not heard them.

As for his character on Voyager, I liked his character. And not because I’m Asian. He was the little brother, you worried about. Remember how the Borg Quenn threatened Harry. “We’ll see you soon, Harry..” (Unimatrix Zero, part one) If you were a Voyager fan, it made you worry. They’re going after Harry. One of my favorite moments was when other officers warn Kim about Paris in the pilot. Harry says this, ” I don’t need anyone to choose my friends for me.” (Pilot: Caretaker.) That leads to a friendship between Harry and Tom. It also led to many joyous visits to the Holodeck. Loved the second season episode “Non Sequitur” where Harry sacrifices his happy life back on earth to return to his own timeline. Brannon Braga wrote that one.

And if his character was that bad, they would have gotten rid of him. Voyager did that with Kes. Then in season seven, they found a way to move Neelix. I liked Harry Kim on Voyager. He was a good friend to Tom. And as he pointed out, he’s had memorable moments on the adventures of Voyager.

43. Basement Blogger - May 20, 2012

@ 36 37

Hey. Watch it with the names being used to describe a particular male organ. ;-) I like the name Johnson. It sounds bigger.

Bernie Wong aka Basement Blogger

44. Harry Ballz - May 20, 2012


sorry if we gave you the wong impression!

(runs and hides)

45. Thomas - May 20, 2012

Sorry to be off-topic, but if you’ve be never seen this before, you need to go to YouTube and search “Turkish Star Trek”. It’s…astonishing.

46. Basement Blogger - May 20, 2012

@ 44

Ha. I wish I had a dollar for every time our Harry Ballz squirted out bad pun.

47. MJ - May 20, 2012

@45. Wow, I had no idea. Complete sets and everything. Looks like Phase II in Turkish. My, the skirts are so short on the female crew you can see their butt cheeks sometimew…whoops!

48. Harry Ballz - May 20, 2012


A dollar?

When asked how much he paid for his earrings, the pirate responded, “two dollars!”

The person asking the question replied, “two dollars?”

The pirate chuckled and said, “yes, a buck an ear!”

49. MJ - May 20, 2012

@45. In doing that youtube search, came across an amazingly good recreation in India of the final shootout in The Matrix:


@47. Q: What change to you get back from LeBron James when you give hime a dollar:

A: In rerturn, he only gives you 3 Quarters.

50. LizardGirl - May 20, 2012

@34 Sonak
I concur. This is the NEW franchise. If he couldn’t be bothered to care about ANY other Trek franchises then he has no right to them. Kirk is my favorite captain (barely beats out Picard) but then Bill killed him off (was very miffed at that). I don’t want to see him in a JJ Abram’s Trek movie or show if there ever is one. We have a new Kirk. He’s going to have to accept that and stop complaining about it.

I’m not saying that he isn’t an important figure in Star Trek, of course he is–he’s Captain Kirk! What I’m saying is: he can’t accept a supporting role then he shouldn’t be complaining about stuff when it turns out well. Whether it’s with Trek or something else.

He seems to have one foot out the door anyways (very reluctant to be around the actual fanbase). I know a Trekker (in her 60s) who said she met him once. “He’s a jerk” is how she put it. She also met Leonard– “He a darling, he really is”. If either actor would do, then which one would you rather hire? Glad to see Leonard, glad not to see Bill. Sorry.

@45 Thomas
Wow! Um, very interesting to know that they made their own Trek. Pales in comparison to the original, but I guess we should be flattered and take it as a compliment.

51. Red Dead Ryan - May 20, 2012

I like William Shatner a lot. But he did agree to kill off Kirk. Not only that, he took the money and influenced the script with his own ideas, such as Butler the dog and his wife.

He wasn’t offered the role in the J.J film.

Garrett Wang sounds like a total dick. He showed up late for work numerous times. He demanded that he direct several episodes. He suggested recently that “Voyager” should have been more like “Scrubs in Space”. He also said how one time he met Shatner he wanted to punch the 80 year old actor in the gut for not recognizing him!

What a piece of crap! Wang had no talent as an actor, and now he is an emcee/usher at Trek conventions!

52. Tom - May 20, 2012

The one HUGE mistake was not doing the scene with Shatner. JJ dropped the ball with that one

53. Baroner - May 20, 2012

52 – Good to see you still holding the torch, Tom. We love JJ’s Trek and I’m sure the new movie will be great, but the continuing injustice that is the exclusion of Shatner really should end. The man is going to croak soon, and we’ll all have lost the chance to see the original Kirk on the big screen one last time. It not only would be just damned cool, it would also cure the sin of his horrible on-screen death in that tragedy of a movie that shall not be named. The Shat, and Kirk, and the fans deserve better.

54. Lostrod - May 20, 2012


“William Shatner still seems a bit bitter about not being offered a role in the first movie.”

I’m not sure how you got the impression Mr. Shatner was bitter. He didn’t bring it up, someone asked the question and he passed it off with humor.


55. MJ - May 20, 2012

@52 “The one HUGE mistake was not doing the scene with Shatner. JJ dropped the ball with that one.’

Yea, that I am sure has caused JJ many sleepless nights.

;-) LOL

56. Anthony Thompson - May 20, 2012


Turkish Star Trek is awesome! But no redshirts! Gold, blue…green and tan! : )

57. Shilliam Watner (Click Name for Trek Poster) - May 20, 2012

Frakes is Khan!

I like Bill Shatner these days because he’s quite candid about himself at times. But I didn’t want to see him as Kirk again, and still don’t. It only would make sense now to show Nimoy again, since he’s already in that timeline. Though I don’t think they need to bring him back. If they do, it should be for an essential scene, and not some kind of pandering cameo. Bringing Shatner in would seem like pandering to me, too.

Anyway, to me, Shatner stopped feeling like Kirk somewhere after TWOK. He was already turning into Denny Crane without even realizing it. And I think his best work was done as Crane.

58. Harry Ballz - May 20, 2012


Shatner played Kirk up until TSFS. After that, parts of Shatner started to peek through.

Pretty sad that an actor, being paid a LOT of money, couldn’t maintain his most famous character.

Talk about unprofessional! What a hack!

Shatner’s hammy acting for TOS seemed appropriate. It’s only in subsequent reincarnations of James T. Kirk that we noticed the emperor wasn’t wearing any clothes.

This guy should have “hung it up” and retired to his horse ranch in Kentucky long ago!

59. Shilliam Watner (Click Name for Trek Poster) - May 20, 2012

58. Harry Ballz – I respect your strong opinion, but must admit to liking Bill in Boston Legal, and I thought his interviewing skills in Raw Nerve were quite good. I don’t like everything he does, but I don’t want to see him go away. But he’s obviously not everybody’s cup of tea. Shatner’s always been a divisive figure among fans. That says something both good and bad about the force of his personality.

60. Jai - May 21, 2012

Re: #49:

“@45. In doing that youtube search, came across an amazingly good recreation in India of the final shootout in The Matrix:


The lead actor in that video is Akshay Kumar: http://www.santabanta.com/photos/akshay-kumar/8012009.htm. I’ve mentioned him before a couple of times. He’s one of the Indian film industry’s biggest stars.

Akshay has black belts in Karate and Taekwondo. He also studied kickboxing in Thailand. Like Hrithik Roshan, Akshay frequently performs his own dangerous stunts in his action movies.

61. Tom - May 21, 2012

55 MJ

No doubt JJ did not lose any sleep over Shatners exclusion. Can’t argue with the success of the first movie or his career. Just think the scene would have worked and will continually disagree with his choice not to go with the scene. That being said I totally respect his position to make those decisions and if he hadn’t brought Trek back there would be no discussion at all

62. Tom - May 21, 2012

53 Baroner

Thanks Baroner. I will always feel that the scene they had written would have been a nice touch to an already great film. Too bad JJ couldn’t just get something filmed with Bill and include it at some point

63. Landru's cousin, Dandru - May 21, 2012

There was no need for Shatner in the previous film, or in the current one. The man’s very, very old. Kirk died younger than Shatner is, and he’s aged badly. There’s no way to include a scene from him without having it look awful. Plus, Shatner’s importance to Star Trek is not what it once was. TNG and DS9 were both better shows than TOS, and proved that having a leading man who can actually act, and who doesn’t treat his co-workers like crap, is a good thing.

64. Landru's cousin, Dandru - May 21, 2012

Plus, Shatner is a liar whose word means nothing. He claims to have written Star Trek novels that rely very heavily on lore from the other TV series–which he now says he’s never watched. So we KNOW he didn’t write those novels- (Garfield and Judith Reeves-Stevens did) since it would have been impossible for him to do so. Just like we know he didn’t write the Tek novels (Ron Goulart did) and we know he didn’t write Believe (Michael Tobias did). So if Shatner says he wasn’t offered the role, I automatically assume he was offered it and turned it down.

65. Grand Lunar - May 21, 2012

So McFadden is a space fan as well? Cool!

I hope she does get to fullfil her wish.

You hear that, commercial space companies?
Make it happen! Doctor’s orders!

66. Danpaine - May 21, 2012

63 & 64. Landru’s cousin, Dandru – May 21, 2012

Unfortunately, you left out one very important point in your unnecessarily spiteful comments – that they are YOUR opinion only.

Thanks for not trying to speak for all of us. Regards.

67. Harry Ballz - May 21, 2012


Shilliam, thank you for your measured and reasoned response.

You should have been a diplomat!


68. Captain Peabody - May 21, 2012

That Deforest Kelley story is completely awesome. Awesome that Kelley, despite probably wishing he could be acting in more TOS movies (a wish he expressed on his deathbed), went to watch the new TNG movie right around its opening, was able to enjoy it and appraise it fairly despite his private feelings, noticed that it was directed by a first-time actor/director, and then personally took the time to call him up and offer his sincere congratulations, reassurance, and support.

There have certainly been “classier” and better actors on Star Trek, but Star Trek *never* had a kinder and better gentleman than DeForest Kelly. God bless him!

69. LizardGirl - May 21, 2012

@64 LC,D
I work in a library and I HAVE noticed that Bill Shatner’s name appears on many Star Trek novels as if he were an author. I’m not sure how that works. Does he own part of Star Trek (TOS)? Maybe he deligates book writing to others? Is he entitled to profits from these novels because his name is on them? I’d like to hope he’s had some decent involvement in this and not just…

70. Shilliam Watner (Click Name for Trek Poster) - May 21, 2012

67. Harry Ballz – While I always believe truth lies somewhere between two opposing sides, and rarely ever with one side exclusively, it is not always easy being diplomatic. If it’s an issue about which I have strong feelings, then my diplomacy can be compromised.

But I will endeavor to always argue using only logic and reason, and never personal attacks.

71. Red Dead Ryan - May 21, 2012


Agreed! DeForrest Kelley was the glue that helped solidify the Kirk-Spock-McCoy dynamic and helped ground an often silly (sometimes campy) show into a believable, humanistic depiction of the future. He was a really good actor who brought out the best in Nimoy and Shatner.

I never got to meet him, but I hear there were no kinder people than Mr. Kelley. He is, and always will be, dearly missed.

Dr. McCoy has to be considered one of the most underrated pop culture characters of all time. When mainstream media talk about “Star Trek”, they mention Kirk, Spock, Scotty, and Picard. No one mentions McCoy.

Which is a damn shame. DeForrest Kelley has never gotten the due credit he deserves (outside of Trek fandom, of course).

72. Lostrod - May 21, 2012


My understanding is that the ST novels credited to Mr. Shatner were a collaborative effort with the other writers. He provided his vision of the story and they filled in the details.

Even Arthur C. Clarke did this with several novels bearing his name. Tom Clancy is another good example.

No need to be hateful to Mr. Shatner as Landrus Cousine appears to relish in doing.


73. Shilliam Watner (Click Name for Trek Poster) - May 21, 2012

69. LizardGirl – Writing fiction of any kind, writing of any kind, for that matter, is very difficult. Celebrity authors commonly use ghostwriters. It’s a pretty standard practice in publishing. Like the general population, actors, athletes and politicians, etc. don’t have the discipline, time or schooling necessary to produce a book on their own. Thus, a ghostwriter, or at least somebody who carefully edits and/or collaborates on the work.

Shatner does not own part of TOS. He would, however, probably get a flat upfront fee and a percentage of sales from any book carrying his name as the author. The ghostwriter was most likely given a one-time fee for their effort. I can’t, however, be sure of any of this in regards to Shatner books. I’m just referring to standard publishing contracts.

It is the publisher’s belief that Shatner’s name adds interest and value to the work, and that’s what they are paying for, whether they are right or wrong. His involvement may indeed have been only the use of his name.

Of course, this is all assuming Bill uses ghostwriters, which I can neither confirm nor deny. Maybe he DID write them all, though I am doubtful of that.

74. Azrael - May 21, 2012

I don’t get all the hate directed at Garret Wang on this board, nor do I agree with those calling Ensign Kim the “worst ST character ever”. I think if those people (who mostly seem to be the ones who said they didn’t watch Voyager anyways) had actually stuck with him they would have been pleasantly surprised. Besides which the worst ST character of all time is Capt. Archer, duh, there’s no way for anyone else to possibly be worse. People need to leave poor Garret alone and pile more abuse on Bakula, he deserves it.

75. Ruue - May 21, 2012

I agree with #63 and #64.

Plus i must say, in my opinion, Shatner is a self-obsessed, ignorant and rude sucker. The fact that he has never seen ANY of the other shows proves once again what an egocentrical and disrespectful being he is. furthermore it shows that he doesn´t have a clue what Star Trek is really about:

NOT Kirk, NOT Picard, NOT the Enterprise or Starfleet, its about hope, tolerance and the desire to seek out to better oneself.

76. Shilliam Watner (Click Name for Trek Poster) - May 21, 2012

74. Azrael – How nice it would be if we “piled abuse” on nobody, and instead just offered logical, reasonable, critical opinions. It is completely subjective whether Ensign Kim or Captain Archer were the “worst” characters in Star Trek. There is no empirical evidence with which you can support your supposition. When we get abusive about it, our arguments lose any validity and only invite further abuse from those who disagree with you.

But maybe that’s what you want – a fight. If so, you’ll have to look elsewhere than to me, but I’m sure there are plenty of people who will accommodate you. Enjoy the fight!

77. Ruue - May 21, 2012

P.S. Wang aka Ensign Useless is by far the worst character of Star Trek on par with Wesley and Janeway

78. Azrael - May 21, 2012

@76. Actually I was aiming for satirically humorous, and borderline sarcastic, but I’m used to being misunderstood. If your going to critizize me though you should really say something to RDR and the others who were using their subjective opinions about Mr. Wang to pile the abuse on him well before I even came into this thread, but I guess you want to fight with me, too bad I don’t.

79. Shilliam Watner (Click Name for Trek Poster) - May 21, 2012

78. Azrael – Having not read every post here, I wasn’t aware of the other comments to which you referred. I was simply referring to your comment that we should heap abuse on Bakula, and suggesting a better way to go about it if we wanted actual, constructive conversation. I would say the same thing to the others you mentioned.

I’m sorry you felt singled out. But there was no intent on my part to start a fight, as I clearly stated. If it makes you feel any better, I believe Bakula was quite wrong for the part of Archer, though I generally like him in most of his other roles.

80. Azrael - May 21, 2012

Fair enough Shilliam, no hard feelings.

81. Keachick - rose pinenut - May 21, 2012

Nobody needs to pile abuse on anyone.

82. MJ - May 21, 2012

I don’t think anyone is piling abuse on Wang — descirbing his own actions, as reported in the public domain, in and of itself covers what a jerk the guy is. It’s not like any of us are making up anything about him. He has dug his own hole.

83. MJ - May 21, 2012

@75 “Plus i must say, in my opinion, Shatner is a self-obsessed, ignorant and rude sucker. The fact that he has never seen ANY of the other shows proves once again what an egocentrical and disrespectful being he is. furthermore it shows that he doesn´t have a clue what Star Trek is really about:”

Well said!!!

84. MJ - May 21, 2012

@74 “Besides which the worst ST character of all time is Capt. Archer, duh, there’s no way for anyone else to possibly be worse.”

Archer certainly didn’t hit a home run is his portrayel of the first Enterprise starship captain. He lacked the gravitas of the other Captains. Even though I am not a Voyager fan, I will acknowledge that Janeway did come across a legitimate Trek Captain. Bu contrast, Archer always came across as a bit of a letdown as a Captain. He could have made a good first officer, like a Riker, but was not Captain material.

Is he the worst Trek crew member ever though? I don’t think so. I don’t think Ensign Kim is the worst either though — but my criticisms there were focused on the jerk behavior of the actor playing him.

FYI — I think Neelix and Kes tie for the worst Trek series main characters ever, with George Takei coming in next.

85. Azrael - May 21, 2012

Thats just it MJ, I dont believe that Garret dug any hole for himself (to use your expression), and there are several comments above that don’t talk at all about anything he did or said, they just insult him based on someone’s opinion. But thats it for my stale-a** lecture today, catch ya later.

86. Red Dead Ryan - May 21, 2012

Look, we laid out the reasons why Wang is a douchebag. And why Kim as a character sucks. It’s not just an opinion, its a fact.

Sorry if the truth hurts.

87. MJ - May 21, 2012

@63 @64

Dandru, I couldn’t agree wiht you more on Shatner. It seems he is finally saying stuff publically that those of us who saw through the smokescreen all along really knew — that he is jealous of the other Trek series and that he is willing to cash out his Trek fame on the backs of the large pecentage of fans who still worship him (i.e. through his new “Get a Life” mocumentary which is going to make fun of all those great fans of his).

Fortunately, where Shat is concerned, I have been wearing the “They Live” sunglasses on him for a long time, and am not surprised that this is all coming out now:


88. MJ - May 21, 2012

@85. Read the previous posts Azrael concerning what has been a series of jerk behavior quotes and actions by Wang. What else is there to discuss. You are perceived by your actions and words, right or wrong.

If you want to beleve that he is a misunderstood guy, go for it. But you don’t have any real information that I see here to provet that point to me?

89. Azrael - May 21, 2012

I read all of the posts, and continue to do so, I saw no proof of anything in there, just some people being insulting for no good reason, no amount of re-reading will make it come out any different.

90. Red Dead Ryan - May 21, 2012


Dude, if you’ve bothered reading previous articles on TrekMovie featuring Garrett Wang, then you’d know that we speak the truth. Wang himself admits to being late numerous times. He demanded to direct episodes without bothering to learn how. At a recent convention, he said he’d like to punch William Shatner in the gut. That last bit was from TrekNews.Net.

You can convince yourself otherwise, Kofi Annan, but the fact remains he is a total jerk.

91. LizardGirl - May 21, 2012

Thank you for your appreciated (nah, not really) opinion.


Thank you for explaining my questions in a simple and logical way. (I actually mean it!) :)

92. MJ - May 21, 2012


* Reported to work late on the set numerous times

* Said he wanted to punch William Shatner because Shat did not immediately recognize who he was

* Suggested the studio should provide him a stunt double and that he could become the action star of Voyager

* Made statements showing petty jealousy of Mulgrew and Beltran.

* “Pulled a Takei” by bitching and moaning about how his make-believe character should be given a promotion

* Falsely claimed he was the first actor in Trek history not allowed to direct an episode.

* Repeatedly showed ridiculous bitterness when he was not invited on TV shows like the primary stars, Mulgrew, Picardo and Beltran.

The above is all available on the web (some of it on this site) if you care to spend a little bit of time researching this.

93. Red Dead Ryan - May 21, 2012

Wang claims to have voluntarily quit acting but we all know he didn’t have the talent to make it in Hollywood. He got the role on “Voyager” only because the producers at the time weren’t good judges of talent, as witnessed by the initial hiring of Genevieve Bujold, who sleepwalked through her filmed scene.

Wang benefitted from “Voyager” producers’ “let’s pull unknown hacks off the street and hire them” strategy.

There’s a reason why he hasn’t starred on any shows or been in any movies ever since. He stinks as an actor. That simple.

94. Shilliam Watner (Click Name for Trek Poster) - May 21, 2012

Having only seen Wang in Voyager, I prefer not to judge his ability, because other than Picardo, I wasn’t impressed by anybody on the show. That leads me to believe that many of the lackluster performances were often a result of the on-set atmosphere and poor creative dynamics, along with everybody being out of new ideas and being burned out from having produced literally hundreds of episodes of Trek already.

If ever Star Trek needed a break, I believe it was then. They should have ended Trek with DS9 and stayed away a while. IN MY OPINION.

And while I think Wang has indeed expressed a “sour grapes” attitude and has a chip on his shoulder, we need to remember that opportunities for Asians in American cinema and TV have been, and still are, pretty wretched. Nearly every other minority seems to have made better progress than Asians. Not sure why that is.

Anyway, that’s how I see it.

95. DS9 IN PRIME TIME - May 21, 2012

I wonder if anyone asked shat why he and wang dong get along

96. Harry Ballz - May 21, 2012

95. “why he and wang dong get along”

Everybody “wang dong” tonight!

97. MJ - May 21, 2012

@94. Dude, that is just shameful that you infered the “race card” to either explain Garret Wang’s actions or garner sympathy for him — actually, I am not sure why you are bringing up at all in the context of this guy just being a jerk?

This is about the guy’s behavior and actions — period.

98. MJ - May 21, 2012

@93 “There’s a reason why he hasn’t starred on any shows or been in any movies ever since. He stinks as an actor. That simple.”

There are a lot of bad actors out there doing work. It seems more obvious to me that the reason he is not getting work is because the word has gotten around that he doesn’t show up on time, is a bit of a malcontent, and is not a team player.

A-listers can get by with behavior, and maybe even a few B-listers, but a C-lister in Hollywood exhibiting bad behavior is DOA on future work.

99. Harry Ballz - May 21, 2012


Perfect, let him play a corpse on a CSI show! Let’s hope his acting isn’t a little stiff!

100. Shilliam Watner (Click Name for Trek Poster) - May 21, 2012

97. MJ – I’m making an attempt to understand the psychology of a person I only know about from quotes from a handful of articles. I’m trying not to jump to conclusions. “Playing the race card?” No, just trying to figure out where the guy is coming from. In case you didn’t notice I’m not defending his behavior, but offering my analysis of his personality and possible motivation. That’s my approach, you have yours.

It may be all about behavior and actions to you, but it’s more complex to me. In my world, there are very few people that are just “jerks” and he’s not exactly extensively covered in the media, so I prefer not to jump to stark black and white conclusions. You choose to do otherwise. That’s fine with me. I’m sorry my approach isn’t fine to you, but I’ll not argue with you about it unless your rebuttal is measured, reasonable and logical.

I won’t get emotional with anybody who wants a fight here. You’re gonna have to play on my turf.

101. Shilliam Watner (Click Name for Trek Poster) - May 21, 2012

Oh, I would like to ad that I DO think Wang’s response is punkish, and not at all necessary, and I NEVER defend that kind of attitude, you guys should know that by now. Let’s make no mistake there.

102. MJ - May 21, 2012

@100 @101

Well, your earlier post could certainly be perceived by some as inferring that race played some role. I thin any objective person would see that in that post of yours. Yea, it came across as playing the race card to me. Obviously, you didn’t mean that, but that is what I think a lot of people (without your additional added explanations now) would think.

Just trying to be honest with you.

103. Shilliam Watner (Click Name for Trek Poster) - May 21, 2012

102. MJ – Not a problem.

104. Azrael - May 21, 2012

I’m kind of surprised at you MJ, I clearly remember you bluntly and amusingly refusing to look stuff up on a previous thread that someone else said would support his point. If its ok for you, then its ok for me.

RDR, I think that comment was way out of line, and totally unneeded, I would never stoop so low as to call you a *shudder* politician.

Aside from that, so what if Garret is a jerk, so are a whole bunch of other actors (including many of my favorites), nothing special there, which is what I meant when I said he did not dig any hole for himself. I was not saying he wasn’t a jerk, I was saying that seems to be almost a prerequisite to be an actor so it is immaterial here.

I don’t expect either of you to agree with me, and I am moving on to something else now.

105. MJ - May 21, 2012

@104 “I’m kind of surprised at you MJ, I clearly remember you bluntly and amusingly refusing to look stuff up on a previous thread that someone else said would support his point. If its ok for you, then its ok for me.”

You’ve got it reversed. That person refused to look stuff up that I was recommending, not me.

106. MJ - May 21, 2012

@104 “Aside from that, so what if Garret is a jerk…”

Good, you agree with us now. I believe that is what the main point was here. Now we are all in agreement.

New topic?

107. Montreal_Paul - May 22, 2012

86. Red Dead Ryan

Here we go again… “the world according to Ryan.” *rolling eyes*

108. MJ - May 22, 2012

@107. Maybe he is hoping that you will finally see the light…i.e. “Ryan’s Hope”

109. MJ - May 22, 2012

For those not paying attention, I will repeat the facts one more time concerning Garret Wang:

* Reported to work late on the set numerous times

* Said he wanted to punch William Shatner because Shat did not immediately recognize who he was

* Suggested the studio should provide him a stunt double and that he could become the action star of Voyager

* Made statements showing petty jealousy of Mulgrew and Beltran.

* “Pulled a Takei” by bitching and moaning about how his make-believe character should be given a promotion

* Falsely claimed he was the first actor in Trek history not allowed to direct an episode.

* Repeatedly showed ridiculous bitterness when he was not invited on TV shows like the primary stars, Mulgrew, Picardo and Beltran.

110. Iowagirl - May 22, 2012

Aw, a mere 1 hour’s drive away from FedCon, and still I couldn’t make it… life interfered (that’s what you get from getting a life…). Thanks for the report – Mr. Shatner seems to have been his usual delightful, witty, snarky self – spanning two stages this time! (Cue any small-minded comments re “spanning” at this point …:))

Mr. Shatner looks great on the pics, and I’m sure it was a very enjoyable day with Bill, Denny and The Captain!

111. Robman007 - May 22, 2012

“Said he wanted to punch William Shatner because Shat did not immediately recognize who he was”

I thought that was because of the way Shatner treated him in general…the same way Shat seems to treat all Trek fans at times..no eye contact, doesn’t say a word, look of annoyance at signing autographs for 75 a pop, plus the wipe his hands off after shaking dudes hand, right in front of him.

Shatner should just out and say he is not a fan of Sci-fi, is not much a Trek fan and that it was only a job and a way to make more money, instead of the constant inconsistant comments he makes regarding the shows

112. Robman007 - May 22, 2012

Great example of the bad shat behavior was at the 2011 EmeraldCity Comicon. Dude had way too much to drink before hand, and I was not the only one who noticed he was not 100% sober. I would have rather spent the money I did to get him to sign a copy of “The Return” on getting a signature from Frakes and Spiner. Those guys were a class act and a ton of fun.

113. Red Dead Ryan - May 22, 2012


Again, MJ and I laid out the facts. But you obviously haven’t read what we posted because you’ve been too busy rolling your eyes.

114. Red Dead Ryan - May 22, 2012

Yeah, sounds like Shatner has been a jerk at times. But at least he has talent. Something that can’t be said for Wang.

115. Montreal_Paul - May 22, 2012

113. Red Dead Ryan

Actually, I did read what you wrote. THAT is why I rolled my eyes. All I ever read from you and MJ are negative comments – always argumentative, always opinionated, always nasty.

I actually met Shatner when he spoke in Montreal at McGill University. He was gracious, funny, engaging and not as pompous and people make him out to be. Wang just seems bitter because his show ended and he was typecast after that. Does that make him an ass? Just because you read something about people – that isn’t who they are. If I were to go by that with what I read from you – you come across as a pompous and rude person. But I don’t know you and I won’t say that is who you are. I don’t know your everyday persona – I just see what I read here. Know what I mean?

116. MJ - May 22, 2012

@115. Jesus, dude, I take excpetion to you taking this to a personal level with Red Dead Ryan. He just disagrees with you, and you can’t seem to let that go. And I make a little joke — which was obvioius to everyone as a joke, and you freak out on me.

Lighten up! This is posting by some fans on a web site. You are not in high school, and this not a grudge match. You are taking this to a mean-spirted level that is not doing yourself any credit here.

117. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - May 22, 2012

Re: Mr. Kelley

It was wonderful to read about Mr. Frakes’ interactions with Mr. Kelley. You know, he did an episode of DS9 once, and he was just great in it. I was a bit surprised that this actor, known for his work as an iconic and legendary character, played the small part of a man just passing through. Now I understand that it speaks to who the actor was as a person.

Apparently, Mr. Kelley and Mr. Nimoy (TO ME) have shown themselves to be both kind, caring, and gracious. They have been (and Nimoy still is) willing and giving enough, after having had their time to shine, to step to the side and share the limelight, as well as their wisdom, with other younger and upcoming actors/producers/directors so that they can have their time to shine too. How lovely.

Re: Mr. Shatner

Well, my mother likes Mr. Shatner as Kirk, and so I can appreciate anyone’s love of the character. He did fit the role, and I can’t really imagine anyone else playing the original Kirk. Having said that, I do think that he may have done his best work as Denny Crane. Perhaps that is because there wasn’t much acting to do for that role, according to his statements about having much in common with the character. As a joke, I wouldn’t be surprised if at the end of his sushi lunch with JJ he said “William Shatner.”

118. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - May 22, 2012

@MJ #116

I don’t know about this particular situation, and I haven’t seen it from you, but Ryan does tend to attack people with his posts, and he routinely does it unprovoked. I have personally read where different people asked where the mods were with regard to some of his posts, particularly the ones where he’s allowed to say something ___ist, and, to his credit, he usually comes back with an apology for those.

I know we’ve all had our moments, and some of it comes down to, as you say, needing to “lighten up” and realized that we are on a board posting with other people that have different views. But – some of it also comes down to not appearing to actively pursue conflict with taunting and/or abrasive posts, or even demanding that people leave just because he doesn’t agree with them. It works both ways. *shrugs*

119. Keachick - rose pinenut - May 22, 2012

#74 – “People need to leave poor Garret alone and pile more abuse on Bakula, he deserves it.”

MJ – If you were referring to my comment at #81, this is what I was referring to.

Azrael – Scott Bakula does not need to have abuse piled on him any more than anyone else does. I thought he was fine as Captain Archer. Since opinions vary as to which actor played the best whoever, piling abuse on a particular actor/any actor is just mean and stupid.

120. Azrael - May 22, 2012

@119. As I already said, within TWO posts of that message, I was using Satire and Sarcasm. This means none of that was meant to be taken seriously, if you guys can’t figure it out, it is not my problem, now stop talking to me Kea, you pissed me off royal the other day with your anti-american rant and I do not want to converse with you any more.

121. MJ - May 22, 2012

@119 @120

Please don’t drag me into your cat fight.

122. Keachick - rose pinenut - May 22, 2012

How an actor behaves in his working or personal life often has little to do with performances seen on film or on stage. They are, after all, ACTING. Think Chris Pine as Padriac (The Lieutenant of Inishmore). If Chris had done any of the stuff that Padriac did, he’d be doing time at some psych ward within a secure penitentiary.

A reference was made to bad characters (in the poster’s opinion) – ie Neelex, Kes and George Takei. As far as I know, there was no character named George Takei in any of the Star Trek iterations, however an American born Japanese actor called George Takei has played a character called Hikaru Sulu, navigator of the USS Enterprise. I have no idea how much alike or not Sulu might be to the actor who played him.

I know all this is obvious, but I do think it is important to separate the characters from the actors themselves.

I had always understood that William Shatner saw the work he did in Star Trek, as with any other film or television work he did as an actor…, as simply that – work. It was a means to an end – primarily paying off mortgages, taking care of his daughters and keeping horses. Taking care of horses as they need and deserve takes money, a LOT of money.

It does seem strange that he has not watched any other Star Trek. I suspect that he has watched more than he lets on. I’ve always intuited (rightly or wrongly) Shatner to be an honest person (if somewhat abrasive at times) and not given to sycophantic behaviour. If he does admit to see all the Star Trek then he will get asked what he thinks of the stories, characters, production etc. If he says that he does not think much of some series, character or the way he/she is played, then he’s in for it – the knives will out and in. So he tells a little white lie in order to not have to perhaps big porkies later, which would really grate on him…

Just presenting another perspective on the issue. Of course, there is no law anywhere that says that William Shatner has to watch anything at all!

123. Keachick - rose pinenut - May 22, 2012

Azrael –

First of all – Satire and sarcasm do not always read well on message boards such as these. This is because most of satire and sarcasm is of a visual and verbal nature which cannot always be properly translated into what is written media only. The problem does not lie with me. All too often, people do make nasty comments about others and they are not satirising anything. BTW, sarcasm is negative in nature, can be amusing, but bottom line, is simply concealed anger.

Secondly – You do not want me to talk to you again because of my anti-American rant. I did not make any nasty or underhand comments towards you or anyone else here. I commented on an electoral system that didn’t seem quite right. I am not alone in my concerns here; many of your own compatriots are also concerned.

However, you are being rude to me. I guess the First Amendment does not apply to non-US citizens, even though, as I pointed out, the actions of your President and Congress can very much affect the lives of not just American citizens, but those living outside the USA. I doubt the same applies to the actions taken by politicians in other smaller nations, like NZ. With power comes responsibility.

124. Azrael - May 22, 2012

@121. I won’t try to drag you into anything MJ. The only reason I was arguing with you to begin with is because your fun to argue with (sorry if that makes me an a**), and I have no intention whatsoever of arguing anything with certain others ever again. I wont even respond to posts directed at me from those I won’t talk to so no worries of me dragging you into anything.

125. Red Dead Ryan - May 22, 2012


It’s funny how you accuse me of unprovoked attacks on others, when you have done the same to Keachick on numerous occasions. You seem to have a self-righteous streak yourself, but you’re too busy pointing out everybody else’s faults.

But yeah, I’ve said some over the top things on this site. It’s just that some comments I read really piss me off. There are a lot of trollers here who think they can get away with hateful remarks.

126. MJ - May 22, 2012

@123 “Secondly – You do not want me to talk to you again because of my anti-American rant. I did not make any nasty or underhand comments towards you or anyone else here. I commented on an electoral system that didn’t seem quite right. I am not alone in my concerns here; many of your own compatriots are also concerned.”

This is a Star Trek message board. It is both off-topic and in poor taste to take potshots at other people’s countries here. Remember, for illustrative purposes, when I took some potshots at New Zealand in response to your anti-U.S. post, how upset you got? Same deal!

While we all within our own countries like to complain and get upset with politics, nobody likes it when foreigners take cheapshots at other’s countries. And you have a bit of history of having a chip on your shoulder regarding the USA in some of your pasts posts on this website.

127. MJ - May 22, 2012

@124. We are cool !

128. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - May 22, 2012

Ryan, if it makes you feel better to call me “self-righteous,” then okay. We all have faults, and I’m certainly not pointing out everyone else’s. I would love for you to show me where I have “attacked” anyone here unprovoked. I can stand by everything I have said on these boards, which is more than some can claim for themselves, including you. This is not a judgement, just a fact. I am not trying to be mean so please don’t take it that way.

You are right; there have been some people that have come by saying very hateful or mean things. But lobbing that same hatefulness back doesn’t help anything. We all get frustrated sometimes, as I mentioned about myself when I had a conversation with Shilliam on another thread, but your behavior is a little to me. Perhaps it is just your way, and so that is why I tend to give you your space, and so far you’ve given me mine. This might be a good practice all the way around.


129. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - May 22, 2012

Word missing – The second paragraph should say “… but your behavior is a little different to me>”

130. Keachick - rose pinenut - May 22, 2012

As I said to Azrael, I was not making any derogatory comments to anyone here on this site and yet now this person decides they do not wish to communicate with me because I express an opinion about an electoral system of a superpower. I did not take a cheap potshot. And yes, MJ, I did get upset when someone made some inaccurate comments about NZ’s historical and present contributions to world security and peace (which included the NZ Armed forces). I said so and why, but I did not ever refuse to acknowledge or speak or be spoken to by the person making those inaccurate comments. Not so with Azrael. Just who are you, Azrael? Honestly? Really?

If I remember rightly, my original comment was in reply to a question posed by someone here on this site (different thread). Also Bob Orci was posting as well, and politics was part of the discussion, including how George Bush Jnr came to be president for a second time. Azrael chose to bring up his attitude to my comments on this thread and in so doing went right off-topic, using my comments on a completely different thread, as a reason to dismiss me when I respond to him on the topic here, something which everyone is discussing here, on this thread, up until right now.

Frankly, if you want to read only what yourselves think, then perhaps you should not come to a board where foreigners might be contributing. So, even if I read something here to do with American politics, even when it is under discussion with Bob Orci present, I can’t make any comment because I am not a US citizen. Well, that’s good to know…(read sarcasm).

For some reason, part of me actually, truly believes that America is the world’s greatest representative of democracy, justice and civilisation per se yet – look at all the ick stuff I read on what is largely an American worldwide web. A lot of it is not edifying at all, including what I am replying to right now, on an American site, run by Americans and whose posters are mostly Americans. I grew up on watching a lot of American television shows – dramas and comedies, including Star Trek, where notions of democracy, freedom, justice, equality were the ideas/values talked about and I assume, lived by. The shame is that I still hear the talk, but don’t see much of the walk at times, either by politicians/leaders or from ordinary people…

I’m sorry if this upsets some people, but I also feel upset right now. Silly really, I know, but there it is.

Oh, and btw,
@ Chris Pine – You’ve made your point about having the freedom to do something that is legal in a public area – ie smoking (Chris and girlfriend were sharing a cigarette at a Cannes celebrity function within the confines of a hotel on the balcony outside). I believe that some of the laws (in parts of the US and UK, possibly even in NZ) are nuts and unfair to people who are actually not doing anything illegal. Good for you for making a stand.

Now, can you stop smoking, please? Why spend all that money and energy on getting your house nice, getting your teeth “perfect”, learning your craft (acting and now producing), improving the health of your skin etc, only to ruin it by long term smoking. Very dumb. Chris – You ain’t that dumb surely. I lost an uncle to lung cancer. He was a heavy smoker. Chris – it is not worth it. It really isn’t! Please…

Anyway, I love ya, no matter what.

PS I have never smoked. Couldn’t get how to do, a bit frustrating because I thought I would look so cool. Everyone else did, including my younger sister who smoked from the age of 12… She gave it up completely when my second son was born.

131. MJ - May 22, 2012

@130. Well, all I can say to that diatribe (with more politics) is:

“Apology accepted, Captain Needa.”

132. Keachick - rose pinenut - May 22, 2012

I have nothing to apologise for, MJ. Lose the sarcasm or whatever it is you have going on here.

Sorry, if it bothers you that I try standing up for myself. I did not bring up politics on this thread. Azrael did, by referring to a previous post on another thread. Get it.

133. MJ - May 22, 2012

Wow, look what the cat dragged in here:

#1. “The NZ Elections Results. The NZ elections results are equally fascinating, and indeed a whole team went from Fiji to examine that elections, as it is hoped that our future electoral system should be similar to theirs. In NZ also, the results were not that proportional (see the table with some of the results). The National Party received 45% of the votes, but 48% of the seats. Worst of all was the major injustice to Winston Peters and his NZ First Party which received 88 thousand votes (4%), but no seats at all (0%). In contrast, two parties which received less than 20 thousand votes each, were able to get at least one seat in Parliament. Note also that racial constituencies also exist in NZ’s proportional system, favouring the indigenous people. The Maori Party won its 5 seats in Maori constituencies with only 46,894 votes- just a half of the votes won by NZ First. Winston Peters is not shouting that the electoral system in NZ is grossly unfair and let us have military coup. Of course, NZ ought to be thinking about changing their electoral system.”

#2. “Twelve Sikh groups in New Zealand have issued an angry statement over their being linked to alleged voter fraud in South Auckland. The statement, from Sikh Council of New Zealand secretary Verpal Singh, came as two men aged 36 and 39 appeared in the Manukau District Court yesterday charged with forgery after a police inquiry into alleged voter fraud. They were granted interim name suppression but Mr Singh says the identities of the men are well known within the 10,000-strong Sikh community in New Zealand.”

Wow, New Zealand has a weird electoral system and has had recent voter fraud as well. Who would have thought.

Not only that, but if you read #2 above carefully, you will see that a Sikh with the name “Singh” is involved in the voter fraud. Could this possibly illustrate that Khan Noonian Singh started his rise to power by taking control of the New Zealand government?

134. MJ - May 22, 2012

@132 “Lose the sarcasm or whatever it is you have going on here.”

Really? You don’t recognize that line? Come on, everybody knows that line.

135. dep1701 - May 22, 2012

Dear Anthony Pascale,

Why don’t you just terminate this thread now? What was supposed to be a report on a Star Trek event and the stars attending has turned into some sort of back-and-forth series of personal attacks on actors and an insult fest between a small but very prolific group of recurring posters on this site.

This seems to be a pattern lately whenever certain Trek alumni are mentioned in any article ( ie: Shatner, Beltran, Berman,Wang, Takei, etc…).

The odd thing is that even though Takei was not brought up in the article proper, he still somehow got dragged in and insulted. I find this “attack” mentality by some so-called fans irritating and disgusting. To add to that the uncivil discourse is saddening… and tedious.

I remember when Trek fans in general used to enjoy gathering together and discussing differing opinions in a civil manner. Yes there were the occasional jerks in person, but they didn’t get the opportunity to take over and ruin the entire discussion. It seems as though the ability to resist snark and insults has eroded thanks to the anonimity of the internet.

I won’t name names but there are certain folks who post here very often who seem to have the same axe to grind everytime any particular actor’s name is mentioned. It has become tiresome, annoying and boring. Everyone is entitled to their opinion…right or wrong…but these posters just belabor the same points.

I used to enjoy reading the comments sections. You could glean some interesting info and POV’s, but wading through the sea of nastiness to get to the good stuff is enervating.

I’d hate to see the ability to add to and comment on the articles disabled, but it might make the site a more pleasant place to visit. Or perhaps you could set up a separate forum section where these “fans” could set up their own “Shatner Is A Jerk”, “Wang Is A Dick”, “Berman Ruined Star Trek”, or “J.J. Abrams Sucks” threads and spew venom to their hearts content without having to make the rest of us who just want a civil discussion read it over and over and over again.

A Fan of The Site…but not necessarily a fan of the fans

136. Red Dead Ryan - May 22, 2012


“Not only that, but if you read #2 above carefully, you will see that a Sikh with the name “Singh” is involved in the voter fraud. Could this possibly illustrate that Khan Noonien Singh started his rise to power by taking control of the New Zealand government?”

Nicely explains how Keachick has referred to the new Khan (Benedict Cumberbatch) as “her cucumber”!

137. MJ - May 22, 2012

@135. Sheesh, and I thought I was an elitist know-it-all?

dep1701 — thanks for taking “thought-policing” to a whole new level. Your remarks here make me feel like Winston Smith in Orwell’s “1984.”


138. Red Dead Ryan - May 22, 2012


A Fan of The Site…but not necessarily a fan of the fans”

Hmm, yet here you are, a fan complaining about other fans!


139. MJ - May 22, 2012

@138. Perhaps he is an Organian?

140. Red Dead Ryan - May 22, 2012


Or a two-faced “moral values” politician?

141. MJ - May 22, 2012

@140. You know, RDR, you really got to stop the “venom spewing”…you are a good guy, but the “venom spewing” gets messy, espcially at mealtimes.

For myself, I need to stop enervating. I’m not sure what that is, but I know it is something that I need to find a 12-step program to help me stop doing it.

142. Red Dead Ryan - May 22, 2012


Alright, I will stop spewing venom…..but I’m not sure I’ll be able to resist Wang-bashing! :-)

143. Harry Ballz - May 22, 2012


You don’t need us for THAT!

144. Red Dead Ryan - May 22, 2012

Yeah, you’re right….I could go solo, but what would be the fun in that?

145. Keachick - rose pinenut - May 22, 2012

Wow, MJ, you really don’t get it, do you. Oh well, never mind.

What is interesting here is that instead of an informed and intelligent resident of the US explaining aspects of the Electoral System that I did not understand and therefore concerned about, in simple terms (if that’s possible, given the vagaries of any political system), people like you and Azrael just bitch at me with one of you refusing to communicate with me over anything at all. This is not instructive nor is it kind. It is now my husband, a born and bred NZer who has never been to the USA, not any of you, who told me about the Electoral College, which had something to do with why George Bush Jnr became president again. I’m not sure how it works because I don’t think we have anything like this here.

Your quotes about the NZ elections seem old and not written by anyone who is that familiar with MMP nor with the Treaty of Waitangi (1840) which is meant to protect certain rights of the indigenous Maori people. Like any system, it can be complicated and is not perfect. Certain changes have been made to the MMP voting system, which is relatively new to NZ. The first MMP election occurred in 1996. Voters in the 2011 election not only had the opportunity to vote for two politicians but also for the electoral system they preferred. MMP won out of five possible election system options.

I am explaining this to you, because I feel that this is how misunderstandings can be avoided and is simply a better thing to do.

I am aware that this is a Star Trek board and not a politics discussion board, however, no matter how much we may wish to avoid the subject, it does come up.

Frankly, it is you who always seems keen to take a potshot on whatever/whoever, if you can, MJ.

146. Keachick - rose pinenut - May 22, 2012

Also, I was not the one calling the election of George Bush Jnr a fraud (corruption?). Bob Orci did. And he is not an immigrant. He is an American citizen so has more right than I to say what he thinks of the American political system, since he also has to live within it.

147. MJ - May 22, 2012

@145. Thanks for proving my point for me. Yes, you understand much better than I the complexities and local conditions of your politics than I do, so you take offense to me drawin criticims of your country based on incomplet information, and don’t like me taking what seems to you like potshots at New Zealand…as you yourself just said to me: “it is you who always seems keen to take a potshot.” Yep, that’s exactly how I see your analogous criticisms of the USA.

I know exactly how you feel! Point Proven!!!

PS: By the way, I love New Zealand and plan to travel there for a 3rd time in the next couple of years. My posts critical of New Zealand here are meant for the sole purpose of proviing a point on how we should NOT presume to be taking political potshots at each others’ countries within posts that are suppose to be covering Star Trek on this website.

148. MJ - May 22, 2012

@146. And as I recall, Anthony stepped in to remind Bob gently that he should refrain from bringing up political topics here. You may want to heed Anthony’s advice yourself. You do have a history at taking potshots at the USA, and a lot of us are wise to it at this point.

You mentioned that you have never been to the USA. I would encourage you to plan a visit here, as I think you will find that we are not that much different from people in New Zealand. I have been to New Zealand twice, and by visiting a place, it becomes more real, and you get to know the people better, and are thus much less likely to believe preconceived notions about a country based on the media or internet conjecture.

149. MJ - May 22, 2012

@142 @143

One could argue that there is a causal relationship between wang bashing and venom spewing. ;-)

150. LizardGirl - May 22, 2012

There are some who love Bill, some who don’t and some who fall in between. Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion. As for me….

Before knowing much of anything besides TOS I loved the guy. I have to say I’m more exasperated (and a little disappointed) than anything.

My first post here was a response to the article’s quoting Bill about JJ Abrams not giving him a job. I know that Bill was probably saying this in a humorous way (not bitter or complaining). I just don’t want to see him in the new Trek franchise. So I said as much.

Also, I was a little annoyed that he had an opportunity to appear on The Big Bang Theory but didn’t for some reason (it’s an awesome show! why not appear?!). If Leonard could then why couldn’t he?

I think of Katy Perry’s Hot n Cold lyrics. He wanted a movie appearance in Star Trek (when he doesn’t really love the franchise anymore, if ever–maybe just tolerating it at this point), he’s all good for his own TV shows or reoccurring roles. But didn’t want to guest star? A wonderful opportunity to reinsert himself into current pop culture–squandered! Maybe he didn’t want to be in a show where there are characters that are Trek fans. But it’s not real so I don’t see how that would be a problem.

As someone who’s still kind of new to Trek but loves it (fanatically!), it’s a hard reality pill for me to swallow (that he’s just tolerating the whole thing). His role as Kirk is near the very nucleus of this whole thing but he rarely talks about it, won’t voluntarily entertain or reminisce about it, or address the magnitude of influence he’s had on STAR TREK. He’s one of the originals for crying out loud!

I like seeing actors from the original cast find work and succeed in their career. I also like it when they are gracious and kind to ST fans and the franchises (not abusive, callous or begrudging). If I can’t see that with my own eyes (through news, interviews or articles), then I feel they shouldn’t keep exploiting that avenue. Hence my strong stand against Bill appearing in any of the new Trek movies. You’re in or you’re out. Do you like us or do you dislike us? Can’t have it both ways in my opinion.

Again, don’t get me wrong. I think he’s a great actor: funny and decent, if not a little pompous. But I do NOT wish to see him in the new Trek movies because THAT franchise is VERY to my heart.

151. LizardGirl - May 22, 2012

Edit: VERY close to my heart!

152. MJ - May 22, 2012

@150. Outstanding and eloquent post. I wish I could post as well as you on issues like this rather than coming across petty sometimes as I am prone to do with my rapid fire stream of thought approach. Well done!

153. Harry Ballz - May 22, 2012

149. MJ “relationship between wang bashing and venom spewing”

OMG, I am so offended!

You’ll be hearing from my lawyer who is with the law firm of Spitz+Swallows!

154. Keachick - rose pinenut - May 23, 2012

MJ – I have been to the USA twice, both as stopovers unfortunately. The first time was to Los Angeles (three days) and the other, on the way back to NZ from London, in San Francisco. I had actually wanted to do a three day stopover in New York, but I could not afford it at the time. I said that it was my husband who has never been to the States, just to British Columbia, Canada, briefly.

Incidentally, if I came into a lot of money (hahahaha), my first three travel destinations would be South Island, NZ (been there as a kid but not since, except to Chch and Dunedin for a couple of days), California, then onto the UK! I miss England, despite its crowds. I was made to feel very much at home in Wales – my maiden name is Welsh and the people recognised it immediately and said “so you have finally come home!” …

155. MJ - May 23, 2012

@154. A bummer you can’t get to South Island much — it’s my favorite place on the earth along with Yosemite National Park, California.

156. dep1701 - May 23, 2012

“@135. Sheesh, and I thought I was an elitist know-it-all?”

Proving my point. First reaction; name calling.

“Hmm, yet here you are, a fan complaining about other fans!”

Yes, I am. However, I did not make it personal by singling out one individual. Go back and read the entire thread again. It didn’t take long for it to turn from a polite discussion of the subject to a heated argument about the personalities involved here, then into a three to five person “catfight” ( someone else’s description, I might add…not mine) complete with insults.

” thanks for taking “thought-policing” to a whole new level. Your remarks here make me feel like Winston Smith in Orwell’s “1984.”

Although I see your point, I’m not advocating censorship. I just don’t understand why our passion about a science fiction series has to turn people so rude to one another. Isn’t it possible to discuss these actors, crews, shows, events, etc… without fans being so ugly to other fans? If you want to include me in that list, so be it, but my original post was meant to perhaps make the people doing the name calling stop and think about how they were coming across. It makes us all seem small-minded, petty, and juvenile. I’m just glad that my post gave everyone something to agree with each other about. It seemed like you all started playing more nicely with each other again after you got through knocking me. Believe it or not, I really didn’t mean to offend anyone. But when every other thread here turns into a mean spirited slag fest it gets old.

“For myself, I need to stop enervating. I’m not sure what that is, but I know it is something that I need to find a 12-step program to help me stop doing it.”

Just so you’ll know, ‘enervating’ means very exhausting and energy draining. Not trying to be a smart ass ( although I’m sure someone here will call me one ), but I was trying not to use the word “tiring” again.

Apologies for coming across as the thought police ( I did like being called an Organian though ), but if everyone would just take a breath before they fired off those oh so pithy and personal attack posts, the world would be a nicer place.

157. Lostrod - May 23, 2012

#91 – lizardgirl

Thank you for your appreciated (nah, not really) opinion”

Sorry – my comment about hate comments was not directed at you. I was replying to your question about Mr. Shatner’s role in his novels. The bit about the hate comments was referring to comments by someone else who brought up the novels as an excuse to call the actor a liar.

Sorry for the confusion.


158. MJ - May 23, 2012

@156 “Proving my point. First reaction; name calling.”

Hey Einstein, I don’t think so. Look up the term “self-deprecating humor.” Nice try! (and please don’t tell me that humorously calling you “Einstein” is now name calling). :-)) (FYI – I am joking with you hear — this is suppose to be funny, OK?)

“Although I see your point, I’m not advocating censorship. I just don’t understand why our passion about a science fiction series has to turn people so rude to one another.”

Dude, your are just way oversensitive and take stuff that you read on this anonymous posting Trek web site way too fracking seriously. If you are losing sleep at night and some people being too critical here, and if this drives you writing open letters to Anthony complaining about most of here who are just having some fun debating (which sometimes gets heated, so big deal), then my conclusion is the you are taking what you see here in these posts WAY, WAY TOO SERIOUSLY !!!

“Just so you’ll know, ‘enervating’ means very exhausting and energy draining.”

Exactly — if this really bothering you so much that you are mentally expended, then I would recommend you either lighten up, don’t read posts anymore, or get some therapy. Seriously dude, THIS IS NOT REAL LIFE here — come on, man!

I will add thought that we all should have a goal here of being less rude — I am with you on that and will try to be better.


159. MJ - May 23, 2012

Sorry for the typos above, and “hear” should be “here” in my first paragraph, and “thought” should be “though” in my last paragraph.

160. LizardGirl - May 23, 2012

@157 Lostrod
Thank you for clearing that up. I was like “are they calling me hateful?”. But yeah, I’m all good now. I’m sorry if I did come across as mean. I really didn’t mean to.

Hey guys, let’s all just be friends again? *_*


161. Lostrod - May 24, 2012


No problem, LizardGirl!


162. dep1701 - May 24, 2012

@158 :

Maybe I am overly sensitive, but I’ve worked retail for 18 years and just see so much uneccessary rudeness in real life that it bugs me when I’m trying to relax and see it on a website that’s supposed to be fun and entertaining. I post on other chat sites and other groups seem to be able to carry on spirited debates without resorting to short tempered insults. It just seems that lately no one can post an opposing opinion here without it degrading into a pissing contest. I can have a strong opinion too, but I try ( maybe I don’t always succeed ) not to be nasty about it.

I’m not talking about good natured jibes and in jokes…those I expect. But I remember when I first started reading posts here in 2006, and the level of discourse just seemed more civilized. I liked reading the posts. Like I said, often there was additional info in the exchanges that wasn’t contained in the articles. But lately it just seemed like you couldn’t read an article about Shatner or Takei without it turning into a feud.

I do notice that since I upset people with my ‘open letter’ people are actually apologizing for coming across as mean…

If it made anyone slow down and think twice about how they were coming across then I made my point ( and that’s really all I wanted to do ).

Peace to you as well.

163. MJ - May 24, 2012

@162 “but I’ve worked retail for 18 years and just see so much uneccessary rudeness in real life…”

OK, now you’ve got me feeling sorry for you. I can’t imagine having a job dealing with the public ever workday for 18 years. Yea, that would suck!

I’ll try to be nicer on these boards. Part of the problem that you have to realize it that we go for months at a time sometimes without any real news on the movies here, and a lot of us have posting on this site as a MAJOR HOBBY, and we spend hours a week here….so we bicker a lot. I don’t really take it all that seriously when we bicker, but I can see how some might get the wrong impression.


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