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Star Trek: The Next Generation Season 1 Blu-Ray Available For Pre-Order – Details & Links For USA, Canada, UK, & Germany May 22, 2012

by TrekMovie.com Staff , Filed under: DVD/Blu-ray,TNG Remastered , trackback

Star Trek: The Next Generation is finally headed your way in HD. Season one comes out on July 24th and today the set became available for pre-order (For around $78 in the US). Find out how to reserve your copy of this exciting release below with links for the USA, Canada, UK and Germany. [UPDATED]

 

 

Star Trek: The Next Generation Season 1 Blu-ray Pre-order available

The first Blu-ray season for Star Trek: The Next Generation comes out July 24th. The six-disc set includes HD remasters (in 1080p and 7.1 DTS audio) of all 26 episodes, plus brand new special features (see below for full details). The official retail price (according to CBS) is $118.00 in the US (which is actually a little less than the MSRP for Star Trek: TOS Blu-ray Season 1).

You can pre-order the set at discounted prices. Walmart is selling it for $78.86. UPDATE: And Amazon has matched the Wal-mart price of $78.09.

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The set is also available for pre-order at Amazon sites around the world.

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SET DETAILS

The STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION – THE FIRST SEASON Blu-ray set will be available in 1080p with English 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio, English Stereo Surround, French Mono, Japanese Mono and German Mono (with the exception of “Encounter at Farpoint” which is in German Stereo). The discs also include English SDH, French, German, Castilian, Italian, Japanese, Danish, Dutch, Finnish, Norwegian and Swedish subtitles. The Blu-ray is not rated in the U.S. and rated PG in Canada.

The disc breakdown is as follows:

Disc One:
Episodes
• Encounter at Farpoint
• The Naked Now
• Code of Honor

Special Features
• Episodic Promos
• Energized! Taking The Next Generation to the Next Level (HD)
• Star Trek: The Next Generation Archives: The Launch
o Introduction to the Series (1987)
o Promo #1
o Promo #2
o Promo #3
o Season One Promo

Disc Two:
Episodes
• The Last Outpost
• Where No One Has Gone Before
• Lonely Among Us
• Justice
• The Battle

Special Features
• Episodic Promos

Disc Three:
Episodes
• Hide and Q
• Haven
• The Big Goodbye
• Datalore
• Angel One

Special Features
• Episodic Promos

Disc Four:
Episodes
• 11001001
• Too Short a Season
• When the Bough Breaks
• Home Soil
• Coming of Age

Special Features
• Episodic Promos

Disc Five:
Episodes
• Heart of Glory
• The Arsenal of Freedom
• Symbiosis
• Skin of Evil
• We’ll Always Have Paris

Special Features
• Episodic Promos

Disc Six:
Episodes
• Conspiracy
• The Neutral Zone

Special Features
• Episodic Promos
• Stardate Revisited: The Origin of Star Trek: The Next Generation (HD)
o Part 1: Inception
o Part 2: Launch
o Part 3: The Continuing Mission
• Gag Reel
• Archival Mission Logs
o The Beginning
o Selected Crew Analysis
o The Making of a Legend
o Memorable Missions

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Comments

1. George Zip - May 22, 2012

Sorry, but I’ll say it again: wake me when Season Three is available.

2. THX-1138 - May 22, 2012

I love TNG.

But I own TNG on DVD already. Cost me $200. To own it again on an admittedly better format for a minimum of $552.02 would make me rather unpopular on the homefront.

Instead, I’ll rent it. Hastings will have it. I hope.

3. Mike M. - May 22, 2012

seriously!? $78? I’m sorry but that’s bull. Most blu-ray tv seasons range between $35-50.

I dunno why Paramount feels the need to have ridiculous prices for their Star Trek sets. They did the same thing when the dvd’s came out

4. AJ - May 22, 2012

It’s tough to get excited for Season One, because, even if one is a completist, buying it means feeling obligated to watch it, and it’s slim pickins of quality Star Trek for sure. “Bags of mostly water!”

I agree.

Season three.

5. cpelc - May 22, 2012

So Wal-Mart’s everyday price is $89 which is cheaper than the Amazon pre-order price. So much for them honoring the MSRP, but we’ll take it.

6. Anthony Pascale - May 22, 2012

When you are Wal-mart, you can pretty much do whatever the hell you want.

BTW, I am not above imploring those who are to buy, to click the links here. It costs the same as going direct but a tiny tiny commission gets sent to the TrekMovie SDCC fund….send me to Comic Con!

7. T'Cal - May 22, 2012

At $35-40 a season, I would’ve bought them to replace the DVDs I have that replaced the VHS tapes I had before that. But since Paramount is charging such a steep price plus they didn’t remaster this series like they did TOS, I’ll pass. Too greedy. I’ll watch them on Netflix if they make it. Otherwise my DVDs will more than suffice when played on a good Blu-ray player and viewed on a name brand flat panel TV. Viewed that way, it’s worlds better than how we eagerly viewed them back in the day broadcast in analog on tube TV.

8. T2 - May 22, 2012

I remember paying $119.99 for Season 1 back in 2000 or whatever it was. Now they want me to do it again? I was all for this, but now I better preorder or just forget about it. Most other dramatic 1-hour, 20+ episode tv series on Blu-Ray cost $30-$50 per season.

9. The Troubled Tribble - May 22, 2012

Paramount has always suffered from chronic greed.

10. Anthony Pascale - May 22, 2012

I know $80 is pricey, but it is actually less than TOS S1 Blu-ray when it was first available for preorder 3 years ago. Also remember that TNG HD remastering is a MUCH bigger project. As we have reported, this is not your typical run the show through the HD machine and crank it out type of thing. They have to re-edit each show from the original film components. They are essentially redoing post-production with 25 year old elements they have to go out an find. That’s not cheap. Its a lot more costly than even TOS.

And double dipping is always painful but this is not the same as VHS to DVD…from watching it, this feels like a whole new show. And i have seen some of the new special features, they are very good.

11. Red Dead Ryan - May 22, 2012

Yeah, its a bit pricey. But CBS did spend a ton of money to restore and remaster the episodes. And they did do a good job. I think I will pick it up. I think I’ll pick it up at Wal-Mart or Future Shop.

Remember, the “Twilight Zone” Blu Ray sets are selling for around $95 each in stores. In Canada at least.

12. Red Dead Ryan - May 22, 2012

The original TNG, TOS dvds (as well as DS9, VOY and ENT) were all well above $100 per season when they first came out ten years ago.

13. Red Dead Ryan - May 22, 2012

TNG season sets were selling at $130 each when they first came out. In Canada. The TOS Blu Rays were about $75-85.

Some stores like Future Shop, will probably have a three day discount where they knock off around $10.

14. Ensign RedShirt - May 22, 2012

I’m definitely not one to defend Paramount or any other studio, but the price point here doesn’t surprise me much. The amount of work required to get these HD-ready costs A LOT of $$$, much more than a simple remastering job. Comparing the price to a season set of LOST or Fringe, which were shot in HD to begin with and require little or no remastering or tweaking, is not fair. These shows are being rebuilt from scratch, specifically for this format.

Now if you wanna complain about prices Paramount charged for the ORIGINAL DVD sets, then I’m with ya. They were a total ripoff.

15. Allen - May 22, 2012

Considering the work they’ve done, I think its a reasonable price. In 2009 I said I would happily pay $200/season if it would help get them started. So this is a bargain and its sales will encourage them to keep going. I want all 28 seasons of star trek on blu-ray (or better). 3 down, 1 soon to be owned, 24 to go.

16. Justin Olson - May 22, 2012

Remember that you can report lower prices to Amazon on each product’s page.

17. DavidJ - May 22, 2012

Oh please. If you actually went out and paid full price for those original, ridiculously expensive DVD sets– with video quality that wasn’t much better than VHS– you have no one to blame but yourself.

At least this time we’re getting an opportunity to see the show in a way it’s NEVER been seen before, with a sharp and beautiful, HD quality picture, and effects that almost look brand new.

I’d say that’s more than worth 80 bucks.

18. darkwing - May 22, 2012

And where I’m at, 80 bucks is about the average price of blu-ray seasons for shows with 24-ish episodes per season. Granted, there are cheaper ones around, but 80 bucks seems very reasonable to me for this project

19. Anthony Pascale - May 22, 2012

Well Amazon’s $91 price is exactly the same as it was for TOS S1 Bluray 3 years ago. But I would not be surprised to see their USA price go down to closer to $80. The Amazon global prices are closer to that and they are being undercut by Walmart. Remember if you preorder from amazon and they drop the price, you get the lowest price they use before shipping.

20. Ensign RedShirt - May 22, 2012

#17-

Agreed on the DVD sets. I bought one season, saw how lousy they looked, and waited years for the prices to drop before I’d buy another one. This, on the other hand, is a different story. I think this is priced fairly.

21. Ken - May 22, 2012

i will buy every season, just to ensure ds9 gets the same treatment.

vote with your wallet, people! it’s the good ole US of A!

22. James T. West - May 22, 2012

Can’t wait to rediscover this show! Can’t believe its been 25 years!!! I am so old!

Undeniably the best episode of season 1? 11001001! Gonna watch that one first!

23. MJ - May 22, 2012

$78

LOL LOL LOL

Ha! Ha! Ha!

:-)) :-)) :-))

24. MJ - May 22, 2012

This ain’t the original series. Wait just 3-4 months and these will be close to the $50 range — I guarantee it.

25. John - May 22, 2012

Will I be able to buy this from iTunes?

26. lt1701e - May 22, 2012

Yup, I would have gotten it if it was 60 or even 70. but 90 screw that noise. im a huge star trek fan but im not supporting paramount or cbs if they are going to screw the cusomers.

27. Jeyl - May 22, 2012

How much HD film didn’t make it?

Two Seconds.

Ha! Count me in.

28. Shannon Nutt - May 22, 2012

$50 was and will be my limit for each season. I don’t care how much $$$ Paramount spend to restore these, asking that price for a 25 year old TV show is CRAZY. Studios have paid just as much to restore older shows (like paying for music rights – not an issue with TNG) and still charged a reasonable amount. I’ll just watch ‘em on Netflix until the price goes down. My guess is retailers are going to be stuck with a TON of these, because you have to be pretty die-hard (or have plenty of extra cash) to justify dishing out over $500 to get all seven seasons.

29. Christopher Roberts - May 22, 2012

I expect to be very old, and what’s more… FLAT BROKE, by the time poor cousin of the franchise, ENTERPRISE makes it to Blu ray. *sigh* But what the hell, there isn’t a Star Trek I don’t like. Yes. Even seven years of Voyager, missing each and every one of those wormhole opportunities to get home sooner, and put me out of my misery!

Aside from Original Series reruns, NEXY GENERATION was the start of a love affair. “Encounter at Farpoint” looked stunning in HD and it somehow added new lustre to a story I’d seen so many times, I honestly didn’t want to sit through it ever again! But there are some great episodes hidden away in this year…

“Too Short a Season” is the kind of thought-provoking old school Trek I expect to never get from this franchise again. Consequences and bad deeds will inevitably come back to bite you on the arse. Swap Admiral Kirk for Jameson and Neural in the Zeta Boötis system for Mordan IV – then you’ve got a flip side of the coin of “A Private Little War”. US arming of today’s freedom fighters, who become tomorrow’s bad regimes.

“Conspiracy” is one I really can’t wait to see in all it’s HD gory glory.

“The Neutral Zone” is heavy with a Romulan presence, despite only being a B-plot to a drama about cryogenic survivors from the 20th Century – and despite the fact they don’t appear until the end.

“Heart of Glory” was the first time Worf came to the fore and if they hadn’t siezed this opportunity, he could’ve been written out of the Star Trek franchise as easily as Tasha Yar I suspect. No Deep Space Nine, or witty one-liners on the big screen.

“The Big Goodbye” is fantastic and there’s nothing I don’t like in this 50s film-noir homage.

Bound to be others I’ve never taken much notice of, up for reappraisal… just because the old 80′s videotape gause has been lifted, for me to see the finer detail.

30. Bob Tompkins - May 22, 2012

I waited on TOS blu-rays and eventually Frys discounted them to $49/season during a 1 week period at their Indianapolis store– once again proving patience is a virtue that sometimes pays off in real money.

31. Rocket Scientist - May 22, 2012

Definitely a costly proposition, but I’m willing to wait for a good deal. They can’t price ‘em this high forever!!

32. Browncoat1984 - May 22, 2012

FRACK YO PARAMOUNT! The most I’ve EVER paid for a season of a TV show on Blu ray is $40-50! Price gouging the fans AGAIN because they can. Shows how much they really care about the fans. I would’ve even bought this at $60 but you’re asking $80-120 a season for a 20 year old series?! I bought GAME OF THRONES from HBO for $34 for season 1!

Can we fans start some sort of a petition to get them to release this at NORMAL Blu Ray prices for a season of a TV show?!

33. Radioactive Spock - May 22, 2012

6. Anthony

BTW, I am not above imploring those who are to buy, to click the links here. It costs the same as going direct but a tiny tiny commission gets sent to the TrekMovie SDCC fund….send me to Comic Con!

LOL.

It’s pricey but I can’t resist. I’ll do my part to get you to Comic Con :)

34. Commodore Z - May 22, 2012

If it was just a crappy upscale to HD, I’d say NO WAY to double-dipping. But this is almost a whole new season, if the quality of THE NEXT LEVEL is any indication. As long as they keep up the quality of the HD, I’ll be first in line. It’s pricey, but I already started saving!

35. Commodore Z - May 22, 2012

By the way Anthony, have they said when DS9 will be coming out in HD? Can’t wait for that one, too.

36. Juancho78 - May 22, 2012

I do not understand why CBS, excluded from this release the material in Spanish Latin (subtitles and audio). The DVD of the “fan collectives” contained these options. A shame!

37. Shilliam Watner (Click to see Darth Vader's zipper) - May 22, 2012

There’s a lot of Trek I don’t own on DVD because it’s always been so expensive. I’ll wait a while to find these used. I’ve only paid 70 bucks for entire series, not one season.

I need a new computer first. And the new Photoshop. Too many things to buy, not enough money to buy them. Truly, the Human Adventure.

38. Shilliam Watner (Click to see Darth Vader's zipper) - May 22, 2012

Oops, sorry. Forgot to change the URL. Try it now.

39. Great Scott! - May 22, 2012

11% “not interested”? 11% of TrekMovie.com readers not at all interested, in any way, even if the price drops the right amount, and they had a Blu-ray player? Just. Plain. Not interested? Ok, whoever picked that should be kicked out!

40. Jim Nightshade - May 22, 2012

yes everybody support trekmovie n anthony—everything trekmovie has links to i always do that–most recently the ads for the logans run tv series dvds—-i bought most but not all of my star trek dvd series used at gamestop stores for about 24 bucks a season—the few i couldnt find paid full price but onky when the price went down to about 50-60 bucks a season…
i think the retail price this time is reasonable for all the work it took them n the results really are breathtaking..

41. BeatleJWOL - May 22, 2012

Folks, if you’re waiting on TNG-R to drop to $50, you’re going to be waiting a long damn time. Maybe after all seven seasons are released and people are tossing full series sets on eBay for less than $200 or $250, but that’ll be, what….2015?

42. captain_neill - May 23, 2012

To those in the UK it is also available for pre order on play.com. This is where I pre ordered it from.

it was £54.99 when I ordered it, it has dropped to £50.99 now. At the minute this is only £5 dearer than TOS was on play but when I preordered them they were over £50.

43. jliebe - May 23, 2012

32. Browncoat1984
Game of Thrones also only has 12 episodes or so per season. So if you compare it with 25 episodes or so of tng it’s not as speedy anymore isn’t it? ;)

44. J.A.G.T. - May 23, 2012

And once again I cannot help but gawk at the awesomeness of the matte paintings used in that show…

45. MJ - May 23, 2012

@43. Yea, but does TNG have 12 episodes in Season 1 worth watching? I think maybe 6 or 7 were really good. Game of Thrones nails every episode as great!

46. MJ - May 23, 2012

@41. It will be be approaching $50 by October. TNG is not going to get the buzz that the iconic TOS got on Blu-Ray. It is not in the same class of interest by the public as TOS. I’m not saying this to upset anyone, but this is just a fact.

47. captain_neill - May 23, 2012

The thing is at £50.99 on play.com, it still is cheaper than what I paid for the DVD boxsets ten years ago.

48. Saiyan - May 23, 2012

Ah it’s a bit steep. I already own them all on DVD and I’m not sure it’s worth it just to see it all in a deeper colour because that the only real difference. It’s a shame they didn’t redo some of the space shots completely like they did in TOS-R at least that way it might not been something I’ve haven’t seen before.

49. Saiyan - May 23, 2012

Typo’s abound in my last post sorry i’m writing from a phone on a train :) I meant to say “at least that way it might have been something I haven’t seen before”

50. Frank169 - May 23, 2012

@10. “And i have seen some of the new special features, they are very good.” I think this secrecy in regard to the bonus features is counter productive PR. Do the bonus features contain the original, never before seen interviews with cast & crew from 1987 from the vault of “Rod” Roddenberry, shot on film (!) and remastered in stunning HD? Such an exclusive has an inevitable influence on the price tag but should also be communicated as such, IMHO.

What the screenshots reveal, however, is neither the original work of the directors of photography nor their intentions or picture composition. Why?
The DPs expected the outer areas of the images to be trimmed by the overscan of 4:3 TV sets, especially the areas above the heads of the actors (sometimes featuring microphone booms) and below their feet (position markers, that stray piece of carpet near Data in the opening scene of “Encounter at Farpoint”), so original audiences never noticed such flaws nor watched a bad picture composition.
On a next generation HDTV (didn’t the HD Teaser say “reborn for the next generation”?) with no overscan and 1:1 pixel mapping (inevitable to watch TNG with the best picture resolution possible) you’ll see those areas and possible flaws the DPs never wanted you to see.
HAD CBS / Paramount decided recreate the 4:3 TV set overscan by trimming those areas at the top and bottom, this would have been a gesture of respect for the DPs and yielded a wider 4:3 picture, still a far cry from full widescreen (1.78:1), but with the pleasant proportions of familar postcards and photos (1.5:1).

51. Pointing Out The Obvious - May 23, 2012

78 dollars? I think not. Its not worth that much.

Blue-Ray box-sets for TV shows go for around 50 bucks, they’re only taking advantage of fans with this, typical CBS bull.

52. New Horizon - May 23, 2012

>7. T’Cal – May 22, 2012
>But since Paramount is charging such a steep price plus they didn’t >remaster this series like they did TOS, I’ll pass.

Uhm, yes…this is remastered exactly the way TOS was. What you’re referring to though is the replacement of the effects with CGI. That was something they had to do because the original ship elements were not available for recomposition in their original form. With TNG the separate layers for the ship elements are available, so they can recomposite them with modern techniques. You’re NOT getting the exact same effects you got when TNG was first released. Compositing has vastly improved. Lighting looks better, I can’t see any matte lines either. Plus each episode has to be re-edited from scratch, with all the sound and music cued edited back in. This is a much bigger job.

53. New Horizon - May 23, 2012

>51. Pointing Out The Obvious – May 23, 2012
>78 dollars? I think not. Its not worth that much.
>Blue-Ray box-sets for TV shows go for around 50 bucks, they’re only taking >advantage of fans with this, typical CBS bull.

Sure, if the tv shows only need to be scanned and slapped on a disk. These episodes are being rescanned, re-edited and re-composited. The show is basically back in post production all over again. This is a HUGE undertaking. With that knowledge in hand, you should actually be surprised that the sets are being made available by some outlets for 80 or less. I’m certainly surprised, but I’m also happy be cause i would not have bought the sets if they weren’t in the 80 price range…even though I am fully aware of the amount of working going into them, I can’t justify or afford more than 80 / season. Considering I know people who paid close to $1000 for the full 7 seasons of TNG when they came out on DVD, which I refused to do, this is a rather good price.

54. T'Cal - May 23, 2012

52. New Horizon – May 23, 2012
>7. T’Cal – May 22, 2012
>But since Paramount is charging such a steep price plus they didn’t >remaster this series like they did TOS, I’ll pass.

Uhm, yes…this is remastered exactly the way TOS was. What you’re referring to though is the replacement of the effects with CGI. That was something they had to do because the original ship elements were not available for recomposition in their original form. With TNG the separate layers for the ship elements are available, so they can recomposite them with modern techniques. You’re NOT getting the exact same effects you got when TNG was first released. Compositing has vastly improved. Lighting looks better, I can’t see any matte lines either. Plus each episode has to be re-edited from scratch, with all the sound and music cued edited back in. This is a much bigger job.

Blah blah blah. TOS-R looks and sounds amazingly better than TOS. While TNG-R is clearly better than TNG, it’s not as big of an improvement for me to get me to pay that much $$.

55. Danpaine - May 23, 2012

Half.com, a year from now.

But since it’s season one, maybe just a rental. And, maybe not.

56. New Horizon - May 23, 2012

>54. T’Cal – May 23, 2012
>Blah blah blah. TOS-R looks and sounds amazingly better than TOS. While >TNG-R is clearly better than TNG, it’s not as big of an improvement for me >to get me to pay that much $$.

blah blah yourself. I’ll take recomposited shots of the existing physical models over rushed CGI any day.

The CGI in TOS:R is passable, but in terms of quality it’s all over the board. I don’t know what you’ve been watching but TNG:R looks magnitudes better than the original product. Like I said months ago, I would not pay over 90 dollars for this, but if it’s coming in at 80…that’s extremely reasonable for the work they’re doing.

57. Trekboi - May 23, 2012

$80usd doesn’t seem that odd- the Original series Bluray is still $125

When the Star Trek TNG/DS9/VOY boxsets came out on DVD in Australia they cost $235 each & were in Hidious “Collector’s” packaging (that I eventually threw out)
You could find them at the chain stores for around $190
The Original Series & Enterprise were between $120-150 each, I got mine as they were released at $118 each from K-Mart.

I eventually got the rest years later during a mega Star trek Box set sale held by Target, K-Mart & Big W for $80-90 each

Any news on dates & prices outside the U.S.?

58. Caesar - May 23, 2012

I’ll go as high as $60 for this release, I think. But $80 is too much for me.

59. Captain of the USS Monte Carlo NCC-1986 - May 23, 2012

tell you what you do – go get a blu-ray burner, order from netflix and rip to blu ray and then….oh wait, is that Illegal??? LOL

60. Captain of the USS Monte Carlo NCC-1986 - May 23, 2012

In 2006-07 i worked at a place and some dude had gotten the DVD’s of TNG and Enterprise and made copies of all the discs for all of us who wanted them to back it up in case he lost it, so ended up with a set copy from him, this time around i think i will buy this on Blu Ray since i have a Blu-ray player. Only lost one DVD disc in all of that so far after 6 years of having them ;)

61. NCC-621 - May 23, 2012

Sounds like they are pulling out all the stops for this one. Happy to spend $80 for TNG good ness in HD. I will be pre-ordering this!

62. Thorny - May 23, 2012

Sorry, I’ll pass. I have to side with those saying TNG-R isn’t a great enough improvement. They really should have done at least some new effects so we weren’t looking at the same stock shots of the Enterprise at warp all the time. But they didn’t. I bought the sampler set, and except for one or two moments, I wasn’t impressed. Sharper and brighter? Yes, but not $80 worth.

63. captain_neill - May 23, 2012

I am actually counting down the days till this comes out.

Can’t wait. To see my fav TV show look this incredible is amazing.

64. Damian - May 23, 2012

It sounds like this comes down to how much you like The Next Generation. If you loved it like captain neill, you’ve already pre-ordered it and ready for season 2. If not, then you won’t. That’s really the way of anything you buy. I think the price is where it should be for a new release with the work that was required for TNG. MJ is right, the price for new copies will eventually drop, but it probably will not be until all 7 seasons are released (of course, you may find used and private sellers selling for less).

For myself, I’m not going to spring for season 1 right away. As much as I loved TNG like I do all Star Trek, I do have all 7 seasons on DVD already. Right now I’m watching my TOS-R DVD’s and my DS9 DVD’s. When I cycle back to TNG, then maybe I’ll start picking them up and maybe get a good deal.

I will say, of all the series on DVD, TNG did look the poorest on DVD and seemed to be the show with the most to benefit from an HD conversion.

Enterprise is the one show they could probably release on HD with a $50 or less cost, since it was already done in HD. I’m kind of surprised CBS didn’t just go ahead with Blu-Ray since they would have to do nothing except slap it on the discs.

65. bytesaber - May 23, 2012

I think you are all nuts. Quality HD work like this is very rare. In fact, I’m not aware of any projects that have been similar in Television HD transfers. To think a studio would go back to 25,000 reels and endlessly hunt for each clip to recreate exactly how the composite masters were spliced is fantasy. The fact that the original film elements even exist is alone a miracle. There were dozens of takes for every scene, and the mind numbing work to recreate the show from scratch is a vast project. This simply does not happen in the industry. However CBS has done it.

You are not getting an HD transfer of a previous master made decades ago. You’re getting a new 1st generation master with new post production work from scratch for effects, music, and audio. As for effects, you are getting new crisp beautiful “original” effects done in CGI to keep the show solid and not the path of Lucas. They even hired someone from the original production of the show to work with the effects to keep it in tune with the show. If you do not appreciate this type of work, then you do not want to buy this.

Based on my understanding of how much work has been involved, I was expecting a price tag over $100.

66. The Chad - May 23, 2012

The oh so famous quote, “I payed all this money for the DVD’s, I’m not double dipping. OMG how will I live with two sets of the same thing????”

Used DVD seasons are going used on Amazon for $20-30. Just sell your DVDs and apply the proceeds toward the Blu-rays to cut the cost a bit. I know it’s a wild concept, but it just might work!

And FYI, technology is forever changing…you’ll buy these again when the next format comes out.

67. Planet pandro - May 23, 2012

My master plan is to try to be patient/ use Netflix until Christmas, and hope someone else buys them for me. That way I’M not re spending.

68. Harry Ballz - May 23, 2012

$78??

How much is that in quatloos?

69. Damian - May 23, 2012

65–I have to agree with you there. I don’t think the naysayers quite get the amount of work that had to be done here. This was a painstaking process. Granted, I’m not buying them out of the gate, but that’s mainly because I’m just not watching TNG right now. When is cycle back to it downt he road, then I’ll start buying them. There’s plenty of Star Trek for me to watch in the meantime so I can wait and maybe I’ll catch a good deal (Amazon sometimes runs specials around Christmastime).

66– I wonder what will be next (3D transfers?). Picture wise, it doesn’t get much more perfect than HD. Already it’s almost like looking at God it’s so perfect.

68–or gold-pressed latinum

70. Jonboc - May 23, 2012

believe me, once it’s finalized, the end product is stamped out onto silver platters! ad- infinitum,for pennies on the dollar. The profit margin for ANY DVD is huge. It’s just a little easier to be violated when the retail is under $20. I’ll have to pass.

71. Anthony Pascale - May 23, 2012

I will just say that TNG in HD is a unique sort of project. It really cant be compared to buying a season of a show like Game of Thrones. But it is worth pointing out that even with those types of sets for shows that are already in HD, the cost/episode is still cheaper with TNG. Amazon and Walmart are selling the 10 episode Season 1 of GoT for $44, which works out to $4.40/ep. And it was $55 at launch, whereas TNG is $78 for 26 eps or $3/ep. Yes GoT has longer run times, but you are still paying more/minute. So sounds like someone needs to start yelling at HBO for ripping them off.

But in reality its all apples and oranges comparing converting 25 year old show with 26 eps/season that was never mastered in HD before to a modern show with a short season that was broadcast in HD.

It may or may not be worth it to you to pay, but to say x show cost y, therefore you should charge less just doesn’t make sense. How many shows from the pre-HD era even get Blu-ray transfers? It is certainly rare and I dont think there has ever been another show that has the same kind of complex remastering process of redoing post-production from original film elements like TNG in HD.

So again, decide if you can afford it or not, but the notion that this show should be priced like the latest season of Game of Thrones or even CBS’ CSI Miami, is just not applicable.

72. Jon - May 23, 2012

I’m so with you on this, Mr. Pascale. The amount of work that obviously went into this project is stunning, and therefore worth a little extra, IMHO.

Honestly, I doubt I would have bought these sets if not for this work as I would otherwise have been content to probably own just a couple of seasons (say Season 3 and 4 which I consider to be the best).

I pre-ordered the set from DVD Empire…they have it for $80, free shipping and no tax for my state.

I would be very surprised if Amazon does not come down in price as the release date gets closer. If they eventually beat DVD Empire’s price, I’ll cancel that order and get it from Amazon. Easy enough to do in this day and age…

And folks, if you’re willing to wait a little bit, most sets come down a month or 2 after the initial release. I remember the TOS Blu-ray sets going for $40 at one point…maybe a month or so after the release date as a couple of retailers had sales :) .

73. MJ - May 23, 2012

@71. Yes, but the amount of hard work, timing and care that went into this is not the determining factor of what price the actual market will bare, at least beyond the first initial few weeks when all of the hardcore fans who don’t care about price will buy it.

I just don’t think over the long term you will see the same sort of selling numbers for TNG-HD as we saw for the TOS-HD, and I would expect then that this is going to force steep price reductions on this within 3-4 months. You have a smaller market that is interested in this (versus TOS-HD), and then you have a lot of people who have a passing interest, who will in now way pay $80 to $90 for a single season of this.

I am sticking by my prediction that the price for this will be down close to the $50 level (definitely lower than $60) by October of this year.

74. MJ - May 23, 2012

@66 “And FYI, technology is forever changing…you’ll buy these again when the next format comes out.”

There would not be much of a point, picture quality & pixel-wise, waiting for a future format. Blu-Ray is about as good as you would ever get these based on the quality of the original source negatives, etc.

75. Anthony Pascale - May 23, 2012

I agree that the free market will bear what it will bear. My point was that this project is not like the latest CSI box set. CBS is not going out of their way to gouge Trek fans. There is a reason behind the premium. There was a lot of debate on this project at CBS. Its no accident that they didnt dive right into TNG after TOS. Once they realized they couldnt just crank it out easily or even with something comparable to the complexities of TOS HD, they knew they would have to sink A LOT of money into it and there was a debate on whether or not it was worth it. I for one am glad they took the risk, and I hope it pays off.

And I actually think that there are more TNG consumers than TOS consumers these days. It feels like that from polls we have done and from fan interactions i have had online and at cons. I certainly dont think it is clear that TOS > TNG when it comes to potential marketplace. It is at least even, but my bet is TNG would have more. I think CBS sees it as a bigger market as well.

Time will tell. THe big difference here is that S1 of TOS is fantastic and S1 of TNG is seen as not the best of the series. Problem is, S3 wont be out until 2013

76. MJ - May 23, 2012

@69 “I have to agree with you there. I don’t think the naysayers quite get the amount of work that had to be done here.”

That’s great that they spent all the time and care on this project. But that is not the major factor that will determine the market. Beyond the initial sales in the first few weeks to the hardcore faithful who don’t care about price, price will be the determining factor. Sure, the quality needs to be high and the reviews good for people to be interested — but that had better be the case in any Blu-Ray set being sold in the plus $50 range.

77. MJ - May 23, 2012

@75. I agree that it is open to debate. My opinion is that TOS is “iconic” and “international” and maintains a huge market (> TNG) that does not dissipate much over time. But I acknowledge I could be incorrect.

Let’s let the sales figures determine this. We will know in a few months.

78. Justin Olson - May 23, 2012

@50. Frank169:

TNG is being presented on Blu-ray using the “35mm TV Transmitted Area” which is 0.792 by 0.594 inches (20 by 15 mm) on the negative. That is the SMPTE recommended practice according to the standards outlined in SMPTE 96M-2004 (Motion Picture scanned areas for Television)

http://www.techstreet.com/cgi-bin/detail?doc_no=smpte|96m_2004;product_id=1250048

(You don’t need to buy the PDF… just trust me : ^)

79. EFFeX - May 23, 2012

Considering I don’t own TNG in any format, this is great for me. I’m definitely looking forward to purchasing this. It’s actually cheaper than I originally thought it would be too.

80. Mike M. - May 23, 2012

I suppose I was hoping for a price that I could actually afford and $78 is definitely not in that window.

81. Red Dead Ryan - May 23, 2012

I don’t think it’s wise to argue with Anthony over this issue. He does a lot of research to get the facts straight.

Sure, season one of TNG might not be that great, but there are still some good episodes. And while the remastering might not make some of the stories better, the new visuals will freshen things up quite a bit.

Heck, TOS season three sucks (for the most part, there were still a few good episodes) but its still enjoyable to watch for the visuals and for eps like “The Tholian Web” and “The Enterprise Incident”.

82. New Horizon - May 23, 2012

I paid 125 dollars plus taxes for season 3 of TNG on DVD. That was after it had been out for quite some time as well. It’s the only season I ever purchased because I simply couldn’t justify paying over 100 dollars a season for 6 more seasons, especially when I knew it wasn’t going to look all that much better than the VHS tapes.

100 dollars + is still too much for me to justify on a single season, but when I weigh the amount of dedication and work going into this project, I can justify 160 dollars a year for two seasons. I don’t buy any extras throughout the year, so this would be my yearly treat.

83. MJ - May 23, 2012

@82 “I paid 125 dollars plus taxes for season 3 of TNG on DVD.”

Wow dude, you got completely ripped off. Amazon has it new for $47 now, and you can get it used multiple places for less than $25.

I’ll say this though, you are kind of double-dipper they are counting on.

@81. Well, we shall with the sales figures.

84. Shilliam Watner (Click to see Darth Vader's zipper) - May 23, 2012

I would never dispute the amount of work that went into the revitalization of TNG, nor would I dispute the need to charge the price they’re asking. I have no idea what their costs for this were, and if the price is fair based on that cost. It IS, however, too pricey for me to buy very soon. That is something I can’t dispute when I look at the other things I need to buy first.

It will be a while before I will buy any new seasons, unfortunately.

85. New Horizon - May 23, 2012

> 83. MJ – May 23, 2012
>@82 “I paid 125 dollars plus taxes for season 3 of TNG on DVD.”
>Wow dude, you got completely ripped off. Amazon has it new for $47 now, >and you can get it used multiple places for less than $25.

Yes, I KNOW you can get them for that much now but at the time that was the cheapest I could buy it. This was around 2003 we’re talking about here, a few months after the DVD’s had been released, not just a few months ago.

Also, I’m hardly a double dipper. I only bought ONE season out of SEVEN.

86. Thomas Jensen - May 23, 2012

Hide and Q, The Big Goodbye, Hide and Q, Datalore, 11001001, Heart of Glory, The Arsenal of Freedom, Skin of Evil, Conspiracy and The Neutral Zone.

…That’s all I can take of the first season. The rest, aren’t watchable. I’ll wait for further seasons.

87. Anthony Pascale - May 23, 2012

Commodore Z
By the way Anthony, have they said when DS9 will be coming out in HD? Can’t wait for that one, too.

There has been no word or rumble even on DS9. The only thing I do know is that as part of searching for film elements used in TNG they have had to also look in the DS9 archives…like in some cases effects shots were reused in DS9. I doubt they will think about DS9 until they are well into TNG and only if TNG is doing well.

The more obvious release is Enterprise. That is already in HD and could be released tomorrow. The fact that they are spending huge money to make TNG Blu-rays makes me feel that it has been determined that it isn’t worth it to put Enterprise on Bluray – although it is available for HD streaming on Netflix and Amazon and CBS.com, but i’m pretty sure thats all 720p, but still better than the DVDs

88. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - May 23, 2012

7
you are wrong CBS(remember its not paramount people its CBS)put in even more effort and work into the restoration of this than they did with TOS, which itself had more work than done on than other shows would have seen done.

you people amaze me, CBS puts in hundreds of hours of work, to restore and preserve such a well loved series to ensure it will be watchable for generations to come and 60 percent or more of you moan and whine about the cost.
get over yourselves allready, would you have rather they just did a highlander or a farscape and thrown 1080i upconversions on a bd disc and called it a day? geesh the the appreciation of some of you on here is absolutely mind boggling.

89. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - May 23, 2012

87 TAS is also ready to go for a bluray release as well.
I have a feeling if TNG goes well, they might start releasing Enterprise seasons, and a complete series for TAS.

In fact Trials and Tribulations is in 1080p on the season 2 tos bluray.

90. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - May 23, 2012

oops sorry i meant more trouble with tribbles anthony.
obviously trials and tribulations is the DS9 epsiode which is also on the TOS season 2 BD but only as a 1080i upconvert

91. Frank169 - May 24, 2012

@78. Sorry, but that’s exactly the issue: The screenshots are NOT just showing the actual “35mm TV Transmitted Area” but they also show all the extra areas the DPs expected to be trimmed by the overscan of a 4:3 TV set.

You can just compare the season one HD screenshots with the SD screenshots from the DVDs at Trekcore (identical in size and image area). I rewatched my DVDs on a 4:3 TV set and guess what? Neither do you see that stray floor carpet piece at the bottom near Data at the beginning of “Encounter at Farpoint” nor do you see the microphone at the top in the engineering room scene in “Where No One Has Gone Before” (and neither did Phil Farrand, author of the Nitpicker’s Guide for Next Generation Fans notice because the overscan of his 4:3 TV set trimmed those areas containing production equipment or flaws just as the DPs expected and relied on).

Admittedly, fans that are completely unaware that their HDTV’s still have a factory default overscan setting won’t notice but for those among us who prefer 1:1 pixel mapping / overscan off (for optimal picture resolution) and have next generation Full HDTVs we will not only be watching a picture composition unintended by the DPs (with extra space above the heads and below the feet) but possibly notice a lot of flaws the DPs didn’t expect us to see.
I really hope that CBS / Paramount reconsiders their 4:3 presentation choice before final mastering of the second season of TNG on Blu-ray.

92. Christopher Roberts - May 24, 2012

Alternatively if like me, you’ve got a Panasonic TV… you could always go into the ‘Advanced Settings’ menu and select 16:9 overscan. That takes a fraction off the top and bottom of the screen.

93. S - May 24, 2012

I’ll buy it to support the product. We won’t get a season 3 unless season 1 sells well.

94. Damian - May 24, 2012

One thing I think people should think about.

If the Blu Ray for TNG does well, you might get DS9 and other series on Blu-Ray as well. If we can show CBS that there is still a market for Star Trek, they might just take it a step further and may look at a new TV series, which many fans seem to want.

On the flip side, if the Blu-Ray does poorly and they have to drop prices, it goes out of print, whatever, you can forget DS9 ever being put on Blu-Ray.

Further, I think CBS would probably conclude there is not much of a market for Star Trek on TV.

In other words, IMO, if the Blu-Ray does poorly, I think you could forget seeing Star Trek on TV again for a very long time.

95. Mitch - May 24, 2012

I never purchased TNG on DVD, I just got them from Netflix. I have since been watching Trek on Netflix and am thoroughly excited to be able to purchase the Blu-Rays. Part of this has to do with me being able to afford it (and having some stray Amazon certificates lying around) today.

I think that the price is reasonable considering the effort they are putting into restoring the series. Will I be watching the retailers to see who is providing the best deals for the remaining seasons? Absolutely. I put off buying the series for almost 10 years, it’s time to treat myself to TNG in HD.

I completely understand where some of you are coming from when you say the price is high, but each person has their own threshold as to what they are willing to pay to purchase TNG. Some of you have done it once already with the DVDs. Let each person agree to disagree on the pricing of the sets… either way it’s set in stone for this release and if you want to purchase it right away like me, do so. If not, I hope it goes down to a price that enables you to purchase it at some point in the near future.

96. James T. West - May 24, 2012

I wouldn’t count on Netflix. They don’t have Deadwood in BluRay, only SD DVD. That’s the only example that quickly comes to mind.

I’m fortunate enough to have some expendable income, so I will be getting this set. Its the only way I could truly enjoy this wretched season is in a brilliantly remastered format, and I admire the time, expense, and painstaking effort that they put into this project. There are only 8 or 10 episodes I can stomach from this season, even less in S2.

My Highlander “BluRay” sets SUCK!

97. THX-1138 - May 24, 2012

OK, stop with all this blame nonsense.

If some of us decide we aren’t going to spend money on Trek merchandise this one time don’t go hanging the death of Trek on TV around our necks. If it takes Bluray sales to get Trek on TV then Trek is already dead.

I won’t be held hostage by a movie studio or production company in any way shape or form. I buy things based on what I want or need, not in the hopes that I can get stuff in the future.

And just to lend some speculative perspective, you bluray TNG purchasers ought to know that in less than ten years time there will probably be some 4K version released or some 3D conversion or some other as-yet-unseen medium of video upgrade. If you don’t buy all of them will it still sound the death knell of Trek on TV or any future release of video product?

98. MJ - May 24, 2012

@88 “you people amaze me, CBS puts in hundreds of hours of work, to restore and preserve such a well loved series to ensure it will be watchable for generations to come and 60 percent or more of you moan and whine about the costget over yourselves allready, would you have rather they just did a highlander or a farscape and thrown 1080i upconversions on a bd disc and called it a day? geesh the the appreciation of some of you on here is absolutely mind boggling.”

I find your condescending post offensive. People who have already bought the VHS and/or the DVDs are being asked to double and even triple dip for $90. Sure it was time consuming and expensive, but I can guarantee you the cost was far less than any new TV production of a major TV show from last season, and you don’t see those shows charging $90 for the Blu-ray, do you?

Stop the lecturing — if you want to be a sucker and pay $90, by all means go for it, but stop whining about how the rest of us have to join you as a patsy for the corporate types at CBS who are trying to bleed as much money out of this as they can. They are not charging $90 initially for this because of all the hard work they put in — they are charging $90 initially for this because they know there are enough suckers out there who will pay whatever price they charge in the first couple of weeks to buy this. The rest of us will wait a bit until the price is reasonable — deal with it!

My original opinions here were based simply on my view of the market and pricing for this, but if people are going to try to make others feel bad because they don’t think it should cost so much, well I have problem with that!!!

99. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - May 24, 2012

Ha ha thats funny MJ,
I have bought the VHS tapes and the DVD sets , and yes the effort by the restoration crewwas much greater for this than what is seen for releasing the bluray of a major new production from last season.

I am not talking down in my post, which for the record is something you are notorious for doing in other threads my friend.

I am just speaking my opinon that alot (not all) of the posters crying about the price , are saying the hard work and energies put into by these crews of restoration workers, are not worth the cost. I also can guarentee you like tos on bluray these sets will on first week sales be in the 60-70.00 range. you can allready pre order it from wal mart for 78 bucks amazon will match that soon, like they do when buyers let them know the lower price out there.

If someone cant or doesnt want to buy cause its seriously is to much for them thats one thing and understandable, but for the ones who are acting like they arent getting anything for the money or that CBS is only setting the price at what it is cause they are being greedy or miliking it for all its worth, you clearly have no idea what goes into something of the magnitude that it took to get these restorations made in the first place.

CBS could have merely done what was done for the BD releases of Farscape and Highlander did, and just thrown on 1080i upconverts onto the discs and released them, looking like crap, with out any effort and energy being put into the release. but they didnt they choose to preseve this popular series in a manner that generations will enjoy for years to come, and make it look as young and new as it ever looked.

nothing in my post above was trying to make members feel bad, if they cant afford it they cant afford it but those members like post 7 who was the reason why i made my statement in the first place when he clearly has no idea what he was talking about when he stated that “They didnt even restore the series” then yeah i am going to comment on that.

so you deal with tha!

100. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - May 24, 2012

MJ
even though from its initial pre order prices ranging for 80-109.99 for each season of tos on blu when it came release week the prices both on line and instore do what they always do for new releases they went on sale.

I paid 54.99 at Best Buy for TOS Season 1 on BD from best buy when it was released first week on April 28 2009 (due to a signage price error in some stores some people even paid 44.99)
I paid 59.99 for TOS season 2 on BD sept 22 2009 from best buy
I paid 54.99 for season 3 on BD on December 15 2009 from best buy.

Keep in mind I also paid for the TOS season 1 HDDVD set, which when it was released was more than double the price that the pre orders are currently set at.

so I quadruple dipped it, but guess what for ME PERSONALLY each purchase was worth it cause i get enjoyment out of it.

101. MJ - May 24, 2012

@99 “you clearly have no idea what goes into something of the magnitude that it took to get these restorations made in the first place.”

Actually, I have a completely educated idea about what has gone into these, as I have been following this story since it broke a year ago. Again, I ask you, do you really think the budget that this careful budget and outstanding restoration they have performed on TNG Season 1 would exceed any major TV’s show produced last year’s overall budget?

No, I don’t think any of us believe that.at all. And since TNG has already made tons of money in two previous format releases — VHS and DVD — then the obvious question would be why is the price of this so much more than any new releases of Blu-Ray for TV shows. E.g “Persona of Interest – Season 1 Blu-Ray pre-order is available on the internet for $60, 1/3 less than TNG.

I’ll tell you why? It has nothing to do with paying the salaries of the great staff who carefully restored this (and who we all commend), it is because there are enough suckers out there who will pay the steep prices the first few weeks. The market early on will bear this ridiculously high price — that is why it is priced so high.

So, really, you and the other fans who will willy-nilly behave like consumer zombies and pay whatever price they set on this, with your well-meaning, “oh they worked so hard on this, and we need to buy it to ensure Season 2,” — well, your inability to refrain from common sense (by paying whatever price they will charge) it what is causing these high prices. So you are part of the problem, not par of the solution, to these high prices.

102. MJ - May 24, 2012

@100. Exactly! You, and no offense intended, are the kind of impulse-buying fan who forces these prices unnecessarily high for the rest of us who were born with our “common sense gene’s” intact.

“Please sir, may I have another?”

:-)

103. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - May 24, 2012

102
Impulse buying fan, ha you clearly don’t know me.
I plan out every home video purchase i make, I am great at tracking down the best prices.

you realize that pre ordering this from amazon today, you dont get charged till its shipped, and even then you get charged the lowest price it reaches durring that pre order period, amazon is great about price matching retailers or even bettering them. give them a few days once they are aware of walmarts price they will match it.

you do realize the home video market for catalog releases is in jeapordy right now right?
studios are gettting less and less worried about releasing catalog titles on bluray now adays, because the sales just arent there.

just look at what sony has done with As good as it gets they arent even bothering to release it themselves, they licensed it out to this third party who is notrorious for releasing catalog movies on bd and dvd barebones with no special features, because sonys catalog sales of movies is very poor. this company relaseing as good as it gets is doing so for 29.99 plus 5 dollars shipping. you want to talk a rip off or being greedy take a look at the the twilight time release of As good as it gets 34 bucks for a popular movie, and only made availble through twilight times distributor Screen Archives.

As much as i love as good as it gets I refuse pay 34 bucks for a movie, that had it been released by sony or licenesed to someone like mill creek or echo bridge would only cost in 10 dollar range.

These star trek TNG releases are getting lots of love and care being put into them, and yes i will happily pay 55 to 70 bucks for them, and by pre ordering now, i will have it release date, and when the price drops between now and july( and it will drop) then i will automaticly get that best price that amazon has, and if for some reason someone else has it cheaper in the sunday ad prior to release, i can simply cancel my pre order, and go to the store that has the best price.

104. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - May 24, 2012

oh and mj i have never ever paid msrp on any home video releases, anyone who does can only blame themselves if they dont bother to keep track of prices on things they want to purchase.

105. MJ - May 24, 2012

OK, just don’t expect me to buy these for $78 to $90 because “they worked so hard and took so much care on them,” or “we need to buy them at this steep price to ensure Season 2,” as those are not the reasons that they are priced so high. They are priced that high initially, because initially, there are a set of Trek fans will pay nearly whatever price they set these at. They’d sell a fair amount of these in Week 1 if the price was $150 — a sizable minority number of fans I believe would just use the plastic to get it in week one.

Also, I am not sure where you are getting your information from but “sales of Blu-ray discs in 2011 topped $2 billion for the first time, up 19% from 2010. But DVD sales dropped 20% to $6.8 billion.”

Sorry about As Good As it Gets though. I haven’t run into the problem you describe with Blu-Rays, and I have a collection of nearly 350 now. I was an early adopter of Blu-Ray from nearly when it first came out.

106. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - May 24, 2012

lol catalog sales are in the crapper unfortunately/
And I have been a bluray owneer since day one, and now have well over 1000 titles on bluray. i get sometimes up to 10 new bd releases a week.
thats what i like to collect.
I dont know if you frequent the bluray online forums, but if you dont take a look at places like bluray.com or dvdtalk, and youll see sales numbers and stats from industry insiders and youll see some of the discussusions on those trends.yes bd sales are on the rise but packaged home media on the whole is way way down.
there in lies the problem unfortunately.

107. Justin Olson - May 24, 2012

Frank169
Sorry, but that’s exactly the issue: The screenshots are NOT just showing the actual “35mm TV Transmitted Area” but they also show all the extra areas the DPs expected to be trimmed by the overscan of a 4:3 TV set.

The TV Transmitted Area by definition includes the overscan area because it is the area to be broadcast. If you overlay a typical TV/Academy (1.33:1/1.37:1) ground glass from the viewfinder of a 35mm motion picture camera over the exposed film image, it confirms that what the camera operators were framing for is, in fact, the image we have on blu-ray:

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/605/sttngframegroundglass.jpg

http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1×01/farpoint_hd_455.jpg

Per SMPTE standards, the TV Transmitted Area includes overscan, action and title safe areas within it. The objects you sometimes see on occasion in the frame that shouldn’t be there are the fault of the production crew because they were supposed to keep ALL of the TV Transmitted Area clear, not just the area within action and title safe. But sometimes things are overlooked — especially when making a TV show with about eight days to shoot an entire episode.

You are right in the sense that they didn’t worry too much at the time because many TVs back then had excessive overscan, but even then there were many sets that would have seen some of the overscan area. What you are seeing are mistakes from 1987, not mistakes created today. CBS is not doing anything wrong by showing the TV Transmitted Area on Blu-ray. Again, that is the SMPTE recommended practice.

108. MJ - May 24, 2012

and this for the first quarter of this year…i.e, the most recent data:

“consumer spending on Blu-ray jumping 23 percent compared to the same period last year.”

“Analyze This”

:-)

109. MJ - May 24, 2012

Now I can see why you will soon have 4 versions of TNG….10 discs a week…dude, congrats on your income! :-)

I make good money too, but have 3 kids and a mortgage, college fund..the whole enchalada. :-)

PS: Even if you got the bucks, I don’t get the logic with buying new releases when they come out. Just waiting several months and you nearly always save at least 30%.

110. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - May 24, 2012

something i want to point out though about amazons price right now they have the msrp wrongly listed as 129.99, so thats part of the reason why amazons price right now is about 12 dollars more than wal mart.

111. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - May 24, 2012

107 actually based on my income i am classified as low to middle income, but for now i have no wife or kids, so i like spend my extra money i have left after bills, rent, and savings on something that gives me enjoyment my home theatre. I figure enjoy them now while i can afford them, cause one day when i have a family there will be other more important priorities!.

112. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - May 24, 2012

ps and just cause i can buy up to discs a week doesnt mean i am spending a fortune.
for example last week i picked up 11 titles of those most of them were new catalog releases put out by Mill creek (a low cost 3rd party distributer that disney licesnses out a number of their touchstone/hollywood pictures releases to.)

Holyman 5.99
Duets 5.99
New York stories 5.99
Terminal Velocity 5.99
Born Yesterday 5.99
White Squall 5.99
Before and After 5.99
DOA 5.99
History of the world in 2 hours in 3D 14.99
Rampart 14.99

altogeather about 75 bucks for 10 blurays of movies that i enjoyed and will bring me enjoyment again.

And its not every week that i get 10 new releases. for exaple this week I only picked up Red Tails for 19.99

113. MJ - May 24, 2012

@112. Well OK, so what were we disagreeing about here anyway? LOL

114. Red Dead Ryan - May 24, 2012

#112.

Most of those movies you mentioned are ones nobody has ever heard of! LOL!

It’s probably why they were so cheap. Straight-to-dvd knock-offs of better, more famous movies.

115. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - May 24, 2012

114 lol how old are you red dead, those were all theatrical releases back in the 90s.

except for history of the world in 2 hours 3D which was a history channel documentary, and Rampart which was theatrical release that was starring woodie harrelson and Signorny weaver .

Holyman Eddie Murphy, Jeff Goldblum, Kelly Preston
Duets Gwenth Paltrow, Paul Giamati, Maria Bello, Huey Lewis
New York stories (funny that you would call a woody Allen movie a straight to DVD kock off)
Terminal Velocity Charlie Sheen
Born Yesterday John Goodman, Melanie Griffith, Don Johnson
White Squall Jeff Bridges( and since when does Ridley scott direct direct to video movies?)
Before and After Meryl Streep and Liam Neeson
DOA Dennis Quaid and Meg Ryan

And whats your point anyways, I was talking to mj giving him a example that buying that many blurays each week doesnt really have to break the bank.

116. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - May 24, 2012

MJ at this point i am not sure lol, I think it was cause you mis interperted the point of my original post about the efforts being put into this release compared to the cost of the release.

and that led to mentioning that the catalog releases of bluray are suffering at this point in time.

117. Red Dead Ryan - May 24, 2012

#115.

No one really cares about those movies. Except for you. Nothing wrong with that. But maybe that’s the reason why they are so cheap. The stores/websites are just trying to get rid of inventory.

I’d be much more impressed if you bought copies of “Star Trek” (Abrams), “Inception”, “Casino Royale” etc. at $5.99. Brand new and on Blu Ray.

118. MJ - May 24, 2012

Guys, for major new releases, I find by just waiting for 2-3 months, I can nearly always get them for 14.99 or less on Amazon, Ebay or Deep Discount DVD, with free shipping…sometimes 12.99 even. For older catalog titles, I buy used on Ebay or Amazon for $8 to $12, including shipping.

119. Red Dead Ryan - May 24, 2012

Even in stores, you can find great movies for under $15. Some under $10.

At a local Zellers (which is closing down to become Target) I bought “Thirteen Days” on dvd for $5.

120. MJ - May 24, 2012

By the way, “IF THE PRICE DROPS” is winning easily in Anthony’s poll.

121. MJ - May 24, 2012

@119. Yea, but I am talking about Blu-Rays. However, even with Blu-Rays, now Wal-Mart has those $5 bins for older blu-rays.

122. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - May 24, 2012

117 your not really familiar with home video distributors are you? lol not that theres anything wrong with that.

just because something is on sale for a low price doesnt mean people dont like it or its not popular or well known it just means that thats the business model that works for that company.

Millcreek is a 3rd party distributer who licenses titles from Buena Vista and Sony and others

they are known for there low msrps the titles they license retail for 9.99 and always are in best buy, target, amazon frys, wal mart in the 4.99 to 8.99 range.
has nothing to do with the quality of the movies, its just that for studios now its more cost efficient for them to offer a number of catalog titles to 3rd party distributors

oh and inception last week was only 4.99 on bluray at best buy, just thought I would through that out there since you mentioned that title.

and you could pick up incredible hulk for 4.99 the week before last also at best buy, and before that you could get titles like american beauty, dances with wolves, casino royale for 4.99 as part of tbest buys upgrade and save program

123. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - May 24, 2012

but mj if you combine togeather the ones who voted yes pre ordering and yes wait for release, then its tied with 38 percent saying they are going to own it on release and 38 percent saying if the price drops.
:)

124. captain_neill - May 25, 2012

At least one every 6 months is easier than one per month for the old finances.

I can’t wait for season 1 on blu ray.

125. captain_neill - May 25, 2012

Did the American copy of the TNG sampler come with a voucher to get some money off Season 1?

Over here in UK you can claim £5.00 off your purchase, which covers the cost of the sampler.

126. Frank169 - May 25, 2012

@ 107. I stand corrected but your conclusion is wrong. “This tolerance (i.e. overscan areas) is the difference between TV Transmitted and TV Safe.” (https://www.cameraguild.com/member-resources/techtips/protecting-your-vision-on-film.aspx).
What we have on the DVDs (and the upcoming BDs) is the TV Transmitted image. The only people ever (intended) to see the TV Transmitted images had been the TNG postproduction crew and the TV broadcasters using professional monitors without overscan.
What the audiences did watch on their 4:3 TV sets (regardless whether it’s a TV broadcast or the VHS/LD/DVD video signal as it’s the TV set that performs the overscan trim) was the TV Safe area and that’s what the DPs could expect and rely on.

A correct example is “Sins of the Father” on the Next Level BD as the image had be reformatted by trimming the overscan areas to reconstitute the original viewing experience for a next generation HDTV with 1:1 pixel mapping. Many people not understanding the overscan issue (including myself at first) criticized CBS / Paramount for that, but rather than provide an explanation or education (Jim Cameron did this for TERMINATOR 2), CBS / Pramount has instead decided to go with the TV Transmitted images and that’s wrong if you claim you respect the original work and intentions of the Directors of Photography.

A compromise could have been to at least trim the overscan areas at the top and bottom of the image to reconstitute the original image height as intended by the DPs and thus erase what could be considered as poor work by the DPs, i.e. noticable microphone booms or position markers on the floor and that infamous piece of stray carpet near Data.
Again, an active overscan of your HDTV will just do that but at the expense of optimal HD picture resolution.

127. Damian - May 25, 2012

97–All I’m saying is CBS is a business. There’s a lot of people here clamoring for DS9 on Blu-Ray. But if TNG on Blu-Ray does poorly, why would they put DS9 on Blu-Ray? They’re in the business of making money.

By not means does this mean the death of Star Trek. But before CBS decides to spring for a new Star Trek TV series (which costs tons of money), they are going to want to know there will be a market for it. If sales are poor for the other TV series, they may decide it’s not worth the investment.

This isn’t me trying to blame the non-buyers for killing Star Trek. It’s just the facts of life. If you don’t like TNG, or don’t like the cost, no one says you have to buy it. But if it does poorly, I’m not expecting CBS to take too many risks with Star Trek for a while.

128. Damian - May 25, 2012

Also, no one should feel held hostage. I’m confident the entire TNG series will be released on Blu-Ray so I don’t think season 3-7 rely on good sales of season 1 and 2. I think CBS is intelligent enough to know season 1 and 2 were not TNG’s best and will probably not sell as well as the later seasons. I’m not even concerned about people waiting for normal sales that occur.

My point is mainly if the entire series on Blu-Ray has poor sales where they end up in the bargain bin at the local FYE store, then you really can’t expect CBS to spring more money on Star Trek. It wouldn’t make business sense.

129. captain_neill - May 25, 2012

Why are some people still picky about the widescreen. If the show was shot in 4:3 then it should have that image preserved and not cropped. To me cropping a full frame to fit a wide screen is no diferent than a pan and scan of a widescreen image on film.

To me the only Trek show that should be on Widescreen is Enterprise.

130. Damian - May 25, 2012

129–Agree with you on the 4:3. With my particular TV, it’s easy to forget it’s 4:3 because my TV is completely black. As long as it’s somewhat dark in the room when I watch it, I don’t even notice the bars on the sides.

The show wasn’t shot in widescreen. I’d rather see it as it was really done then some artificial zoom, crops or additions to make it widescreen.

131. MJ - May 25, 2012

@128 “My point is mainly if the entire series on Blu-Ray has poor sales where they end up in the bargain bin at the local FYE store, then you really can’t expect CBS to spring more money on Star Trek. It wouldn’t make business sense.”

Agreed. So what is your point here?

If it doesn’t sell well (I doubt that is going to happen), then of course they will pull the plug. They are in the business of making a profit. Yes, they should not make any more if sales tank….right, so I am not getting your point???

132. MJ - May 25, 2012

“but mj if you combine togeather the ones who voted yes pre ordering and yes wait for release, then its tied with 38 percent saying they are going to own it on release and 38 percent saying if the price drops.”

I think the “wait for release” is a poorly worded question. Wait for realease could just as easily mean “wait until it comes out and then see the pricings…perhaps wait a couple of weeks until it drops.”

You’ve got to admit, that is a poorly defined survey question?

133. Justin Olson - May 25, 2012

Frank169
CBS / Pramount has instead decided to go with the TV Transmitted images and that’s wrong if you claim you respect the original work and intentions of the Directors of Photography.

It all depends on what the directors of photography and camera operators chose as their framing lines. As the article you linked to mentions, many DPs frame using the TV Transmitted Area markings and that’s okay for a 1.33:1 intended aspect ratio… it only becomes a problem if they want to later do a 1.78:1 extraction from the negative because there wouldn’t be enough picture left on the sides (because of the greater height of the image). But that would only work if they filmed the show using a format that centers the 1.33:1 image on the negative (aka Super-35) while also protecting the sides for 1.78:1. TNG was not filmed in this fashion.

If you look at the screencaps above — particularly the one of Picard as Dixon Hill — if they were to crop that image down to Action Safe, there wouldn’t be any headroom left… in fact, part of his hat would be cut off! Here are a few examples with markings over them:

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/7427/biggoodbyeactionsafe.jpg

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2562/lastoutpostactionsafe.jpg

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3268/comingofageactionsafe.jpg

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/8206/11001001actionsafe.jpg

I for one prefer the wider framing that the TV Transmitted Area has… the Action Safe looks far too crowded. I still maintain that the handful of objects you see in the corners of the frame are the result of the original production crew not being fastidious enough. Remember also that they never expected us to be watching this show in high definition and thought that most anomalies would be missed or indistinct in standard definition.

Good examples are the notorious black cards that were used to hide reflections in the rear bridge consoles during the first two seasons… those are going to be VERY noticeable in HD (and those are nowhere near the edges of the frame!):

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s2/2×21/peakperformance114.jpg

134. MJ - May 25, 2012

@133. Justin, you nailed it. I agree.

135. captain_neill - May 25, 2012

TNG will be a hit, it is still a popular show despite what people say here.

136. MJ - May 26, 2012

@135. I agree with you. But it won’t be a long-term hit at $80=$90. But don’t worry about that, as withing two months, once they have collected the gullible fans money who are willing to pay that much, they will reduce costs 1/3 or more, and keeps the sales moving along briskly.

137. captain_neill - May 26, 2012

136

Well TOS is still the same price on blu ray than it was when I got them and I dont see the same happening for TNG.

I am really looking forward to TNG and counting down the days til I get it.

138. MJ - May 26, 2012

@137. Not true. I bought the TOS Blu-Ray six months ago on an Amazon special for $120 with free shipping — all freaking three seasons!

139. MJ - May 26, 2012

@137 “… and I dont see the same happening for TNG.”

Good, so you agree with me then. Cool !

140. captain_neill - May 27, 2012

MJ I meant to say I do see the same happening for the Next Gen. I don’t agree with you I think it wil remain high for a while and I want it now.

On play.com I got seasons 2 and 3 for £45.99, thet are still around that price.

Next Gen season 1 is only £5 dearer and to me tt is money well spent on a show that I love and stil consider my favourite.

Yes the later seasons are better but I want them all.

I already have season 1 on Next Gen pre ordered from the day it was announced and counting down the days.

And because they are reconstructing the episodes more work has gone into remastering Next gen and Next Gen wil lok the way it should have.

141. Nick Cook - May 27, 2012

Pre-ordered mine on Amazon UK.

142. Frank169 - May 27, 2012

@133. Thanks Mr. Olson for providing some graphic examples. I can’t notice any violation of the rule of thumb “not to touch the head” (for actors facing the camera) if the overscan areas at the top and bottom beyond the safe action area were trimmed as the DPs expected and composed for it.
I object your theory that the original production crew wasn’t “fastidious” enough. The floor carpet piece, the overhead microphones in “Where No One Has Gone Before” (engineering room) and “Heart of Glory” (near the bridge viewscreen) and others were all outside the safe action area camera viewfinder, therefore of no concern for the DP and not visible on a TV set with overscan, then and now.
If CBS / Paramount were serious about respecting the original directors’ work and intentions (Okuda interview from January) they should have taken the overscan issue into consideration.

143. Frank169 - May 27, 2012

Does anybody know whether this release will feature a choice to watch at least ILM’s visual effects in space in full 16:9 widescreen (like this option they had with TOS whether to watch it with the original VFX or instead with the new CGI ones)?
When ILM provided the visual effects in space for TNG these were shot at least in 1.85 widescreen (check the “Hint for HD” teaser on the Next Level BD which shows the opening shot of Enterprise-D in full widescreen which is pan & scan in all opening credits of the series). Though this would be an unusual viewing experience (they did something similar for the film BRAINSTORM) I hope we get a chance to see the Enterprise VFX shots in space in widescreen, at least in the bonus section.

144. Joe - May 28, 2012

I’m buying Day One. Cannot watch TNG on my 82-inch TV at DVD quality.

I’m actually surprised this is priced under $80, as I would’ve been willing to pay up to $120 / season.

$80 is the price of five pizzas. Pretty good deal if you ask me.

145. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - May 28, 2012

Amazon has now price matched the 78.86 wal mart pre order price for ST TNG season 1

146. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - May 28, 2012

Also DVD planet is now down to 71.69 for the season 1 bluray set.

147. A Person - May 29, 2012

Dear Paramount Studios Executives,

I am EXTREMELY disappointed in your flawed decision to release the highly anticipated TV show “Star Trek: The Next Generation” on Blu-Ray format with the inferior screen dimensions of 4:3 Full Frame (1.33:1). There was a clear opportunity to restore the series to the proper and modern TV dimensions of 16:9 Widescreen (1.78:1), but instead you chose the cheap way out by forcing consumers to continue to be stuck with worthless square pictures.

I understand that directors of the show at the time were short-sighted and often neglected the left and right side of the frame that falls outside of the 4:3 box, but the truth is that the film still contains this information. As fans of the show we are being denied the full picture by your insistence to continue to gives us a cut up square. I understand the argument that 4:3 was the standard in the 80s – 90s when the show was broadcast, but that does not change the fact the 4:3 is inherently flawed and unacceptable. Even when I had a 4:3 TV in the 90s I ONLY bought films on VHS & DVD if the aspect was in widescreen. The truth is that the inferior 4:3 version of this show is already available on DVD. Why bother with a shinier 4:3 version at all, especially with such a steep price tag?

This is an utter failure by your company to seize on an opportunity to restore one of your studio’s premier properties. 4:3 is ugly and faulty and denies the viewer the whole picture. It would have cost you little to scan the whole image on the film and clean up the few stray objects that were visible in the 16:9 picture. Instead you chose to give consumers the same faulty picture they have had for years. This is utterly useless and a waste of everyone’s time.

I was all set to happily shell out $130 a season for a total of $910 to your company, but I will NEVER pay one dime for 4:3 versions on Blu-Ray. By choosing to leave the show in 4:3 you have lost a potential loyal customer who would have enthusiastically paid full price for a quality product. My only hope is that others stay away from these 4:3 monstrosities and that your company realizes that the only acceptable way to release TV shows on Blu-Ray is with the dimensions of 16:9 Widescreen (1.78:1).

If you decide to release the show at a later date in 16:9 I will happily purchase it. Otherwise you have lost a big sale. Perhaps when you release all 7 seasons in a box set you will reconsider you decision. I can only hope this is the case.

148. Judd Sandage - May 30, 2012

RE- A Person

heh, I feel like I am feeding a troll here but… I am of the same opinon in that if somthing is availible in widescreen, then get it, I strived to make sure that I got widescreen only DVDs cause thats the way the director and everyone else on the production team wanted it, and shot film for it… so it would be dumb to get pan and scan crap just “cause it doesnt have the black bars and I wanna see it bigger” no… but for stuff that was shot in 4:3, edited and shown in a 4:3 medium, granted its kind of annoying to see the bars on both sides on a modern HDTV, but thats the way it was filmed, thats the way the directors wanted it filmed, thats the way everyone at the time did it for TV, so why with the utter hatred for it? drank to much of the haterade there Bro? and to claim that there is plenty of un-used stuff is wrong, there is a bit of un-used but shot film to the left of the main area in the film, but not enugh to do anything with.

Better yet, lets get all the old movies, like gone with the wind, or the wizard of OZ, or metropolis, or the Maltese falcon and shove those in to 16:9, I mean yeah they were filmed in 4:3 but COME ON!!! in this day and age of widescreen? it should be Mandatory Widescreen ALL THE TIME!!!!!!!!11!!!!1!!!11ONEONE111!!!!!!

149. Frank169 - May 31, 2012

@ 148. Plans for an American approach to HDTV were published as early as summer 1987 but anybody’s best guess according to these plans would have been 1.66:1 or 15:9. Whether the TNG directors shot in 4:3 with a possible widescreen extraction in the future is still something we don’t know.

All we do know is that they shot in 4:3 for 4:3 TV sets of that time. I’d be really interested to learn how the TNG directors feel about their work being displayed on a 16:9 HDTV, now. Completely aware of the growing home video market, Stanley Kubrick started to shoot his movies of the 80′s in 4:3 with a widescreen extraction in mind (thus he avoided pan & scan or letterboxing of his films. Reportedly he felt black bars of any kind to be a distraction of the viewing experience).

150. captain_neill - June 1, 2012

what is the difference of black bars at the sides for a 4:3 image on a HD widescreen TV than the black bars at the top and bottom of a 2.35:1 or 2.40:1 image.

I prefer seeing the film or sho as originally shown.

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