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PHXCC2012 – Death of Kirk, ‘Mythology’ Of Star Trek, Twilight Zone, Galaxy Quest + more [PHOTOS + VIDEO] May 27, 2012

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Celebrity,Conventions/Events/Attractions,Shatner,TOS , trackback

The Star Trek highlight of Phoenix Comicon on Saturday was William Shatner who delighted the packed crowd with stories from his life along with some of his insights into his career path, the nature of fandom, the mythology of Star Trek, how his Star Trek novels are actually autobiographical, and more. He even showed how he pranks stewardesses by reenacting his famous Twilight Zone episode. See below for highlights, quotes, photos and the full video.



William Shatner appearing before a capacity crowd of 5,000 fans. Bill was his usual avuncular self, but also got serious at times. We have photos, highlights and full video of the event. Check it all out below (including a must-see story about Bill reenacting his look from Twilight Zone "Nightmare at 20,000 feet"  when he flies.


Some selected quotes:

"He had a little tummy when he played me – a little pooch in his stomach – and I thought that was kind of mocking"
– Shatner on Tim Allen’s portrayal in Galaxy Quest

"Like with riding, I’ve only recently discovered how to act. I have been acting since I was six years old, but it is amazing about how you get older and physically less capable, your ability to distill the knowledge grows so that you know what to do, you can’t just do it as well."

"The actor just feels, brings up, remember, allows to penetrate and permeate the body. And without thinking, like riding the horse, without thinking, no thought, just feels. The actor feels the words, feels the feeling. And allows it to come out through whatever means it will come out. And that’s the art of acting that I have only recently discovered."
– Shatner on how when you get older you learn how do to things (from riding horses, to acting, etc)

"Twilight Zone? Science fiction? I don’t do science fiction, I am a Shakespearean actor…so I do this show and it is essentially me and this Czechoslovakian acrobat in a furry suit pretending to be a gremlin on the wing of an airplane. I thought, I just came off of Marlow and Tamurlaine the Great and I’m doing this thing looking out at this idiot on a wing…my career is wrecked before it even begins! I thought"
– Shatner on working on Twilight Zone

"There are universals, and it doesn’t matter what it looks like. Our special effects in Star Trek – looking back now with the computer generated effect that they have now and what JJ Abrams can do with the new movie – are ridiculous. Sometimes the set would shake when they opened the door and the director would say "would you mind bracing that, just put another nail in it for god’s sake." But it didn’t matter what it looked like. That is why we are here. It’s not for the sets and the special effects. We are here to celebrate our love of Star Trek because of the stories and the meaning."
– Shatner on 60’s shows like Twilight Zone and Star Trek compared to today

"I started to do my documentary ["Get A Life!"] and what I have discovered blows my mind. It turns out that we are all here [at a convention] because of the mythology. We lack a mythology in today’s culture. We don’t how to explain our lives. You can talk about religion and to religion is to many people a mythology that gives you explanation…We are here to celebrate this mythology of Star Trek and you are here to celebrate the ritual of a mythology. The cast, perhaps the captains, are there heroes of that mythology. And the wearing of the uniforms and the getting of the autographs and putting on [your head] the omelet that looked like Klingon – all that is participating in the ritual because it is what we love. It is our explanation of our lives for that moment. And the people that don’t know this are the poorer for it. So what looks to the outside world as "who are these Trekkies/Trekkers – what do they want?" They don’t know the secret that I discovered as part of this
film. We are here as part of a cultural myth. And it all makes sense."
– Shatner on what he learned making "Get A Life!" documentary

"’The Transformed Man’ was a failure because it wasn’t very good."
– Shatner on his 1968 debut album "The Transformed Man"

"The franchise of Star Trek is jealously guarded by the people at Paramount and at this point I think it is JJ Abrams – holding on to and not letting it get out of hand. But somehow they let me go with some novels. In fact on the death of Captain Kirk, I played the death and did it and I walked up to the producer Rick Berman and I said "I have an idea on how to bring him back" and I wrote a treatment and they turned it down but they allowed me to write the novel called "The Return." So I wrote the novel and it well received and successful and so they allowed me to write others. So then I began to write stories about Captain Kirk that involved me – Shatner. The journey that Shatner was going through…how Shatner felt about death in my life, how Shatner felt about the aging process and the desperate grasp onto youth and not wanting to a moment to go by without living it to its fullest. I began a series of novels that are autobiographical. I didn’t realize it fully until some time later. So when I came up with what stories to tell about Captain Kirk, they were the stories of me and my marriage, and the death of marriage and the love and enmity and the stories of things that happened to people I knew…So if you read any of those novels they are things that either happened to me or I thought about."
– Shatner on his series of Star Trek novels







NOTE: Due to unforeseen circumstances, we were not able to cover the Wil Wheaton "story time" panel.

More to come + live coverage

On Sunday there is a Star Trek TNG mega-panel with Michael Dorn, Marina Sirtis, LeVar Burton, Wil Wheaton and Brent Spiner. TrekMovie will have a report on that later.

For live coverage:

Photos and text by Anthony Pascale, video by Nai Wang


1. Harry Ballz - May 27, 2012

Shat looks young in that photo!

2. Vultan - May 27, 2012

Shat was great in “Nightmare at 20,000 Feet,” but I think John Lithgow did him one better in the movie version—the only segment of that movie worth watching, in my opinion.

3. CmdrR - May 27, 2012

Bill is pure entertainment.
Keep going, you!

4. Battle-scarred Sciatica - May 27, 2012

@1 Harry

I agree.

He must be on the same medication as Levar.

He looks great.

5. Andy Patterson - May 27, 2012

Love the Shat!

@2 The Vic Morrow segment was the most entertaining segment to me.

6. Vultan - May 27, 2012


To each his own.
But I don’t think Vic Morrow would agree.

7. Harry Ballz - May 27, 2012


Vultan, there’s no need to cut his head off over a simple remark.

8. brady - May 27, 2012


Love, Sheldon

Call me

9. Vultan - May 27, 2012


Oooo… It’s been 30 years, Harry, but I still feel like saying: “Too soon.”

10. Quatlo - May 27, 2012

Vic Morrow directed some of the best episodes of COMBAT! and was well liked among the other actors on the show as well. Nimoy and Morrow were friends back in the day. I don’t think it’s very funny at all to joke about his death in any context. Shame on you Harry, that was lacking class to the max.

11. Jack - May 27, 2012

7. Ouch!

Er, that’s what he sai…

Jesus. Sorry.

I didn’t read his fan book(s?) – but I wonder if Shatner ever realized that guest actors involved in the show get that same level of fan attention at these things, I think just for being part of something that gave fans a bit of hope about the future (and I think we mostly realize that it was just a job for them like any other)… am I wrong and just haven’t noticed the captain worship?

Maybe we don’t realize it was just a job and the actors weren’t setting out every day to make a statement about humanity and the future…

12. VulcanFilmCritic - May 27, 2012

How does Mr. Shatner know what JJ Abrams can do with CGI in the new movie?

After 45-plus years of his selfish, narcissistic personality, I would think that if he were NOT in the new movie, he would be so pissed that he would never mention it. Don’t want to see it! he would protest, but now he’s awfully chatty about the “new movie” isn’t he? Hmmmmmmmmm….
Do we have another slip here?

Leonard Nimoy is “just talking” to the folks involved with the movie, because he talks to them “all the time,” and now the Shat Man is uncharacteristically mentioning “the next movie.”

They’ve gotta be in the next movie. Like the death knells of a disintegrating starship full of astonished Vulcans, I CAN FEEL IT!!!

13. Dee - lvs moon' surface - May 27, 2012

Great article Anthony Pascale… thanks… Mr. Shatner “rocks” again… ;-) :-)

14. son-of-shatner - May 27, 2012

Itake it not a Shatner fan
Then why are you here?
Oh hang on, Bill was in the Original series and is a BIG part of what made it sooo good. But of course you won’t accept that.
I guess your only here for the all the latest news on remakes/reboots with better CGI. Story not important.
Bill survives, as does original Trek.. where will Pine etc be in 40 years??????

15. VulcanFilmCritic - May 27, 2012

@13 son-of-shatner
Is English your first language? If not, then maybe you didn’t understand what I was implying by my post.

16. Keachick - rose pinenut - May 27, 2012

I have not watched the video in full yet, but I take it that William Shatner was not rude to anyone and was merely being fairly honest about his motivations etc. I think it would be hard for him not to mention something about how this series of films is being made, special effects wise, when he is talking about how things were done on a 1960s Star Trek set. This is just a mean bit of nitpicking, VulcanFilmCritic.

Much of what is expressed in fiction starts with how the individual writer/actor is feeling. It is those feelings expressed in a creative, fictional manner which can give substance and meaning to a work of fiction. Otherwise, it would be flat.

As far as narcissism goes, Shatner probably fits in where the majority of the human race sits. The real narcissists are the ones who do a lot of harm to others. Shatner is not one of those people.

I am not sure what Pine has to do with this thread. Nobody knows where (Chris) Pine will be in 40 years, but then nobody knew where Shatner would be either.

17. Dario (from Argentina) - May 27, 2012

Again, thank you for uploading these videos and photos! From someone that cannot attend many of these cons. I appreciate it.

18. VulcanFilmCritic - May 27, 2012

@16 Keachick This is William Shatner we’re talking about. Right?
Not narcissistic?

19. Killamarshtrek - May 27, 2012

Did anyone see the ‘Shat’ on ‘Have I got news for you’? Very surreal, check it out on BBC iPlayer

20. VZX - May 27, 2012

I’m glad you guys cover the conventions so well, now I don’t have to pay to go!

21. MJ - May 27, 2012

Sheesh, can’t someone as rich as him do better than wearing a XXXL $10 shirt from Target, and maybe tuck it in as well? I mean, the guy looks like he just off a bus trip from Wichita to Dayton.

22. Vultan - May 27, 2012


Thank you, Joan Rivers.

23. Jonboc - May 27, 2012

When you’re in your 80s and look that good and have that much energy you’re entitled to wear whatever you want!

24. MJ - May 27, 2012

@22. Well, the late John Candy, who was a very large man like Shatner, always did his best to be reasonably well-dressed in public. You have to really have a huge ego I guess if you are that large, to show up in public in “fat pants” and cheap ill-fitting t-shirts. If I was out to dinner in public and my dad dressed like that, I would be embarrassed, and I would not be surprised to hear snickering around us at dinner.

25. MJ - May 27, 2012

@23. My grandfather, may he rest in peace (died at 90 years old a few years back), fought in WWII, and he would never have dreamed to dress like a fat slob in his 80’s, when he was still very active as well.

26. Hat Rick - May 27, 2012

Bill is a national treasure! Make that, international.

27. BeatleJWOL - May 27, 2012


I hope you enjoy being dressed no less than business casual everywhere you go.

Some of us enjoy dressing ACTUALLY casually. Oh, and y’know, that other thing: comfortably.

28. Sebastian S. - May 27, 2012

Personally, I don’t really care how Shatner looks; he’s 81 years old. He’s made it. He’s earned the right to dress however he likes.

If I had his kind of money? I probably spend all day in a bathrobe and slippers…. ;-D

As a matter of fact, I’m not rich and I still dress casual most of the time.
I live in California; what the hell? ;-)

As for his Twilight Zone segment? I actually prefer his second episode, “Nick of Time” better (a nice cautionary tale against superstition). In both Star Trek and “Nick…” he was taking advice from a guy with pointed ears…. ;-P

29. Harry Ballz - May 27, 2012


Sorry about that, guys!

30. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - May 27, 2012

Long Live the Shat!!!!!!

31. MJ - May 27, 2012

@29. John Landis, now there is one of the greatest scumbags in movie history.

32. Buzz Cagney - May 27, 2012

Here we go again. Shat isn’t Nimoy. Shat isn’t Stewart. And Shat isn’t MJ’s dapper deceased Grandad.
Shat is Shat. And i do believe that is his right!

33. gilberto - May 27, 2012

Hard to believe he’s 81. He could play a 60-year-old Kirk anytime! What can be done do UNDO Star Trek Generations?

34. MJ - May 27, 2012

@32 I never claimed that Shat didn’t have “the right” to go around dressed like Al Bundy.

35. MJ - May 27, 2012

@33 “Hard to believe he’s 81. He could play a 60-year-old Kirk anytime!”

Just when I think I am perhaps going overboard on Shat, a post like this reenergizes me and confirms my belief in what I am saying here! :-)

36. Red Dead Ryan - May 27, 2012

I don’t want to see anymore old guys trying to recapture the youth of their characters in any further movies. There is a reason why younger actors (with the exception of Simon Pegg, who is 42, though I suppose he acts younger) were brought in for the reboot.

“Star Trek” was starting to feel more like “Jurassic Trek” in it’s latter stages on the big screen.

37. gilberto - May 27, 2012

I’m not being “nice” to Shatner. I mean, look at the man!! “S– My Dad Says” showed how sharp his mind is, and how “clean” his acting can be. Working for television is way more tiring than making movies. He has the stamina. But does CBS have the guts to bring him back as Kirk? Hollywood has an extreme prejudice against olderly people. Only J.J.Abrams’ clout could bring Nimoy back, I suppose. Of course I loved the Star Trek reboot (and I hope it’s just the first of many in coming decades), but I’m sure NOBODY will get tired of seeing Shatner as Kirk and Nimoy as Spock. They’re good even when the script is bad (as in ST 5 – “Not in front of the Klingons.”).

38. MJ - May 27, 2012

@37. Well this proves certainly that two people, looking at the same thing, can draw remarkably different conclusions. I see a red-faced 300 pound guy…sorry, but that is not the Captain Kirk I remember.

39. Red Dead Ryan - May 27, 2012


“S–My Dad Says” was cancelled after one season. Shatner was acting as himself in it. I saw a couple of episodes and they stunk. It was canned because the show sucked, and Shatner had done better work in the past.

Some of us prefer seeing the new cast take the lead. William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy gave us iconic characters. We’re grateful for that. But at some point, the Trek franchise has to move forward.

40. gilberto - May 27, 2012

I agree that we have to move on, that’s why I said I hope this will be the first reboot of many to come!!
I’m NOT saying he should run and fight as Kirk. He could just be an older kirk, teaching at Academy, writing a book, rediscovering his old friendships, I don’t know. I just think it was a shame not to let his character live and age. He has the stamina to do whatever he wants, and he has continually proved it. Of course he’ll never be brought back, mainly because he will never accept a cameo, and Hollywood will never give a “go” to a multi-million-dollar project to a person who could simply die of old age in the middle of the production. That’s how Hollywood sees older actors. Oops, 3:18 a.m. in Rio! Time to nigh nigh!

41. Keachick - rose pinenut - May 28, 2012

#18 – I said no more narcissistic than most other human beings. Some just learn to hide that side of their natures better than others. It depends how the narcissism is defined. When I think of William Shatner, I think – Captain Kirk of Star Trek and horses. When I think of Leonard Nimoy, all I immediately think of is Spock, and more Spock.

Why does Leonard Nimoy have to be on the set of the making of the sequel if he has so much confidence in Zachary Quinto’s ability to be a good Spock? In a site where speculation is the most common of occupations among posters, I have speculated that the reason that Leonard Nimoy is around the set is that he can’t let go of the Spock character and doesn’t think that anyone else can play him like he did, so much in love he is with his Spock and his abilities.

One could say that William Shatner is miffed because he is not part of this Star Trek film series. However, on the other hand, although part of him might want to be there, he knows it is time to move on and let a younger man take the reins, has the confidence that Chris Pine will do the Kirk character justice and just lets Chris get on with it.

There are so many different ways of looking at a person’s actions and what they say, especially when not everything is totally transparent.

42. MJ - May 28, 2012

@41 “Why does Leonard Nimoy have to be on the set of the making of the sequel if he has so much confidence in Zachary Quinto’s ability to be a good Spock? In a site where speculation is the most common of occupations among posters, I have speculated that the reason that Leonard Nimoy is around the set is that he can’t let go of the Spock character and doesn’t think that anyone else can play him like he did, so much in love he is with his Spock and his abilities.”

What do you base this on? With Shat, we have years of quotes and comments that pretty much proves he’s an egoist who can’t let go, but with Nimoy, I don’t see anything he has said that supports one iota of your conjecture here.

Nimoy is a class act who deserved to be involved in the reboot; I can’t say the same for Shat. I think this conjecture that basically infers that Nimoy visited the set for some selfish reasons has no basis in reality whatsoever.

Please don’t try to give Shat a free pass by claiming that Nimoy has essentially the same motivations — that is not going to fly here with a lot of us.

43. Greenberg - May 28, 2012

VIC: I knew I asked for a short haircut, but this is ridiculous!

44. Greenberg - May 28, 2012

yeah – too bad no one gives a shit. Go open a window.

45. Christopher Roberts - May 28, 2012

I always thought, tweek this a little bit, and Ashes of Eden & The Return would make great animated Star Trek.

Not so much a series, more the odd feature-length animation based on the Shatnerverse novels. Sort of in the spirit of WB’s various Batman and other superhero efforts on DVD. Sort of Clone Wars in what are potentially lost entries in the film series.

The Ashes of Eden is perfect. While mostly set between VI and the Generations opening scenes, it’s framed at the beginning and end, with Spock visiting Kirk’s grave and Starfleet carving up the Enterprise’s saucer section – removing any evidence for Veridians to find. It also has that moment set during Kirk’s younger days going up against the Vampire Cloud. I’d get Chris Pine to provide the voice for that part. Various TOS cast members back in their roles, with likely impersonators for Scotty and McCoy. It was done as a graphic novel and I loved that the villain was human and an old rival of Kirk’s. Pulling the Enterprise-A out of mothballs and having it go down fighting, IIRC against Excelsior and the rest of Starfleet.

Then do The Return but some adjustment here and there to make it better. I like its mix of Kirk and Spock alongside a TNG crew (split between differing new assignments after Generations) plus Bashir & Quark putting in a cameo. The female Romulan with a grudge against Kirk, enough to go grave robbing and use him in her plan is a solid idea. Even the alliance with the Borg is interesting, going along with her aim – have Kirk conditioned enough to kill Picard. At this stage in TNG, they would want their one weakness – the knowledge he retained as Locutus, taken out. That’s a novel way to tantalise the Kirk v Picard crowd, even if it’s a showdown we’re ultimately deprived of. I’d probably rework this to include the launch of the Enterprise E somehow, given it’s set between TNG films – rather than the Defiant-class ship that’s temporarily given the name toward the end. Plus the Borg homeworld being the machine planet V’Ger encountered is perhaps one element of fanwank too far. I’d continue to keep the Borg Queen out of this… as the book did. Written before First Contact reached the screen, she hadn’t even been thought of and I preferred the Borg back before she was around anyway. With their assimilation of a key person as mouthpiece, a Romulan called Vox in this case.

The style of those two books lend themselves well to animation, not being at all challenging or cerebral – just action adventure. Ashes I remember looking impressive as panels, flowing one after another in a comic. The Kirk-centric plot is advantageous in the current climate, while involving the TNG crew and even a shout out to DS9 offers fans of other generations something for afters. Between the two adventures, it covers all the bases of having some audience familiarity. Dare I say even 15 years on.

Get an agreement from CBS to do those two stories and hope to get around to adapting Avenger. If the first doesn’t meet with the kind of success they expect – ratings, DVD/Blu ray sales, downloads whatever – further rewrite The Return to rush Kirk back to full heath by the end, alive and well in the 24th Century. Then consider it job done – two animated movies that redeem Generations, by exorcising the death of Kirk so many (even those involved) regret.

46. Christopher Roberts - May 28, 2012

At least the effort will make the wait between Abramsverse films more bearable, while adding something else to reinterest fans in the back catalogue of TOS/TNG already seen countless times over.

What I do find great in “The Return”, is Picard being more like the TV character, than the action hero he was in the films. The first time he’s in the book, it’s on a mission with Beverly Crusher and some Special Forces-type from Starfleet, to a Starbase that’s been assimilated. He’s vulnerable and it’s a bit reminiscent of “Chain of Command”. There using his Locutus alter-ego to get in and out with intelligence on them.

The ending is pretty contrived, in expectation of a follow-up. Borg tech running through Kirk’s system, being diagnosed irreversible, basically leads to another sacrifice like Data’s in Nemesis and that’s a bit pointless given the whole point of him being resurrected. Having struggled through Avenger and Kirk’s fate resolved there so implausably it can only be referred to and described matter-of-factly by the character – I feel if this were being adapted for the screen, they would just fix him and leave no part of The Return left dangling. He helps destroy the Borg central node. Both Picard & Kirk get back to the Enterprise and the other demands the nanites be removed, expecting to die but some residule bio energy from Chal changes the rules or whatever.

47. - May 28, 2012

The man is a legend.

48. Mark Lynch - May 28, 2012

Anyone else catch Willy on “Have I got News for you” the other night?

He was pretty funny.

Any chance of an article on that AP?

49. - May 28, 2012

They should make The Return as a telemovie now. Who cares about the age difference, i think you would forget that pretty quick.

I would like the end to be a little stronger, some clever way that Kirk outwits Picard to save the day.

If they did it as a mini series it could explore the connection Kirk and Picard would have now both had been assimilated.

I see money in the story.

50. Ziggy Rot - May 28, 2012

I don’t understand why Shatner still claims to have written those novels. He’s never even seen any of the other TV series, many elements of which are interwoven into the novels. It’s been common knowledge since pretty much the first book’s release that Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens ghost-write them all for him, just as Ron Goulart wrote all of the Tek novels and Michael Tobias wrote believe. Shatner’s never written a novel in his life. Star Trek V shows the type of novel we’d get if he ever did.

51. Khan 2.0 - May 28, 2012

Generations should really have been Star Trek ‘VII’

Paramount should not have bothered with DS9 or VOY and instead done another couple of years of TNG until 1996 with would have allowed for another film with the original cast for 1993 or 94 (something along the lines of Shatners ‘Ashes of Eden’ maybe directed by N Meyer again) and then introduced the TNG crew with a ‘Generations’ film in 1996 for the 30th anniversary (more Yesterdays Enterprise/All Good Things than what was done)

then started the standalone TNG movies in 98 (First Contact)

such a shame they finished making movies with the original cast when they did. Shatner and Nimoy would have only been 65 if they had been in a final YE type crossover film in 1996. the same age H Ford was in the last Indy!

52. Frank Jay Gruber - May 28, 2012

The Shatner playground performance the fan asks about in the video was in an episode of The Ray Bradbury Theater TV series called “The Playground” (season 2, episode 1).

I hope the TV networks archive Shatner’s comments about his death for use when the sad event finally happens.

As someone who trailed Shatner for two days last June covering his filming of Get a Life/Fan Addicts for (here and here, I’m very interested to see the final cut.

He also interviewed me, and although I probably didn’t say anything particularly profound, I’m curious to see if I’m in there.

53. That stinks - May 28, 2012

50–His own co-writers, gifted writers in their own right who certainly don’t need Shatner’s name to make money, have flat out said they are Shatner’s books and that the credit was properly given. Since they know more than you, I think it’s safe to say you don’t know what you’re talking about.

54. Battle-scarred Sciatica - May 28, 2012

I like the Shat.

yeah, he’s had many moments of narcissism but hey thats the Shat!

He was the REAL Captain Kirk.

I know Gene wanted his Star Trek to be taken on and reinvigorated in the future, but to me the Kirk and crew stories have been told.

Enough of the rehashing/rebooting/reinvigoration of stuff that has gone on before – alternate timeline or not!

Something new, something on TV and not the cinema and something original and perhaps further into future. In the proper timeline!

Enough of this alternate timeline (or whatever the frack it is) bull.

If there is no Back To The Future-type timeline resolution by the end of the 3rd installment (3015 – if you’re lucky) I will not be happy! LOL ;)

Lets keep the original timeline and lets push it forward people.

Don’t get me wrong – I enjoyed the newest Star Trek 09 as a scifi movie and glad it raised Star Trek from the dead but it did not feel like Star Trek. Let the new fans have it.

I am proud that Star Trek lives but I will never be won over by this latest version.

Hey I watched him on Have I Got News For You. There was some pretty funny moments.

55. Hat Rick - May 28, 2012

They should have Bill in a parallel universe story in the new Star Trek anthology series I hear they’re making over at Parmount TV.

Bill would play William Shatner, an actor who is caught up in the convention game and who suddenly finds himself at the helm of a real starship.

I hear that the episode has a tentative title: Galaxy Quest 2: The Shat Continues.


Oh, and I was kidding about the new anthology. <—— :-( I wish it were real….

56. Azrael - May 28, 2012

@54. Dude, you have said the same thing numerous times, please just let it rest. I disagree with you, others do as well, but that is ok, we are all entitled to our opinions. I would just like to read something else from you on occasion, after all you seem to be fairly intelligent, surely you can come up with more than rehashing your own comments continuously, especially as you say you want an end to rehashes. My request then is for you to demonstrate a rehash free comment, followed by another rehash free comment.

57. MJ - May 28, 2012

@44 “yeah – too bad no one gives a shit. Go open a window.”

Anyone know what this guy is talking about???

58. MJ - May 28, 2012

@49 “They should make The Return as a telemovie now. Who cares about the age difference, i think you would forget that pretty quick.”

You are joking, right?

59. Battle-scarred Sciatica - May 28, 2012


Yeah you re right.

I apologise for my repetitive nature.

I promise I will not mention it again…probably.

No more rehashes of my comments.


60. Azrael - May 28, 2012

@57. Pretty sure he is just trying to insult you MJ. He isn’t doing it well, but that seems to be the only thing approaching a point that he has, perhaps if he could approach closer than 3.4 AU to the insult it would work better.

61. MJ - May 28, 2012

@60. Ah, OK. Well that had to be the most piss-poor insult ot all time on these boards given it takes multiple readings from a couple of us to figure out where he was going with that? Still not sure about “opening a window”?

Probably a disgruntled teenager. LOL

62. Battle-scarred Sciatica - May 28, 2012


It was a shockingly awfully executed insult – if indeed that is what is really was.
I am still trying to work it out.

I suspect Azrael, 3.4 AU was being generous. It was most likely fired off from the opposite spiral arm! LOL

63. MJ - May 28, 2012

@62 @60

But we can unfortunately understand this Greenberg person’s horrid joke (@43) about the late Vic Morrow losing his life in the Twilight Zone movie. That will never be funny…PERIOD!

64. Battle-scarred Sciatica - May 28, 2012

@63 MJ


Poor Vic and the small child deserve better than that. At least Harry had the balls (pun not intended) to apologise.

The horror that is John Landis – unfortunately continues.

65. Azrael - May 28, 2012

@63. Ditto, I may not like most people, but I dont joke about their deaths.

66. rm10019 - May 28, 2012

Anthony should close the comments section until they can offer the Ignore button. My scroll wheel is wearing out.

67. Red Dead Ryan - May 28, 2012


You can ignore this thread instead of posting about how you’d like an “ignore button”.

68. Azrael - May 28, 2012

@66. Nobody is making you read it.

69. Shilliam Watner (Click for Trek Ships Poster) - May 28, 2012

You can always expect a lot of invective and aggression when the subject is Shatner!

A recent study showed that narcissists actually had very low self-esteem at their cores, in spite of the opposite appearance. I think Shatner has always thought he wasn’t any good, but acted out selfishly and in grandiose ways to compensate. He really seems to have mellowed these days, though, and is somebody I like much more than I used to.

He’s certainly a polarizing subject. Until I meet him I prefer to take all the negative stories with a grain of salt. If Nimoy can call him friend, he must have some redeeming qualities, right?


70. MJ - May 28, 2012

@68. Agreed, Azrael. We don’t need censorship here. I think we do a pretty good job self-policing the clowns, and when that fails, Anthony can block them as backup.

71. Sebastian S. - May 28, 2012

# 69.

I agree.

No doubt Shatner has a huge ego; many actors do. But as Chris Rock says, “I’ve met arrogant cab drivers…” I don’t fault the man for having a high opinion of himself. I suspect that if anyone on this thread were as high up the celebrity pyramid as he is? We’d all be insufferable, no doubt…. ;-D

I’ve seen Shatner in person many times; heard him speak at cons, etc. But oddly enough, I’ve never been particularly compelled to actually meet him one-on-one, or hound him for an autograph (in person he seems very cynical and a bit cranky when it comes to fandom and autographing; except when his own crew’s cameras are ON, of course…). ;-)

But, separating the art from the artist, he is who he is and I very much enjoy some of his work. I leave it at that. Besides, Leonard Nimoy’s Spock has always been far more compelling to me personally, anyway. Meeting Nimoy and getting his autograph was one of the few ‘star struck’ moments in my life. Nimoy has a lot of class and is very good to his fans….

72. Shilliam Watner (Click for Trek Ships Poster) - May 28, 2012

70. Sebastian S. – Yeah, I definitely hold Nimoy in higher regard. Shatner has so often seemed embarrassed by his career, which is why he ALWAYS brings up the Shakespeare thing. It’s like he’s saying, “See! I AM a legitimate actor!”

Though Nimoy’s relationship with Spock wasn’t always rosy, either. I think it took both men a while to realize how absolutely lucky they were. But yeah, Nimoy definitely seems to be a lot more gracious. Perhaps because he is more at peace with who he is than Shatner.

Anybody who has listened to Has Been (actually, pretty good Shatner album) should know how insecure he is, and how he has definitely not been at peace with himself. Only recently has he made giant strides, but once a grump, always a grump. Only now, he seems to be a grump who’s a little more at peace with himself.

73. Ziggy Rot - May 28, 2012

#53: Incorrect. If Shatner never watched any of the other series, it would have been impossible for him to write the novels. End of story. He didn’t write them. That’s well-known.

74. Shilliam Watner (Click for Trek Ships Poster) - May 28, 2012

72. Ziggy Rot – If you really want to argue your point, I’d mention that his co-writers are probably contractually obligated to claim Shatner was a contributing writer, whether he was or wasn’t. That was probably a stipulation in getting paid.

Still, why have them unless he really needed them, so obviously they played a large in the writing.

Still, no way to really prove either side, so I won’t get involved.

75. MJ - May 29, 2012

@73 “#53: Incorrect. If Shatner never watched any of the other series, it would have been impossible for him to write the novels. End of story. He didn’t write them. That’s well-known.”

Dare I be critical of that, lest my stalker, Montreal Paul, come swooping in to harass and name call me.

76. Sebastian S. - May 29, 2012

# 72.

I’ve listened to “Has Been”, and I agree there are a lot of tracks on it that seem to speak to his insecurity (his failings as a father, husband, even actor as the title track indicates).

I think that like a lot of actors who fall into science fiction roles, he always imagined himself as a “Serious Actor” (as you pointed out w. the whole Shakespeare obsession), and wound up doing what, in his opinion, was probably the equivalent of a Cordon Bleu-trained chef working as a short order cook in a greasy spoon. Science fiction (despite the insane money it makes and the avid fanbases) is still not treated with a whole lot of respect in the film and TV industry, and it’s actors still worry about typecasting.

Nimoy probably felt that way in the beginning too (as his old book, “I Am Not Spock” sounds like something written by Galaxy Quest’s fictional Alexander Dane (Alan Rickman). But I think his self-wisdom about it all (as well as his perspective on his fans) came sooner, is generally much healthier than Shatner’s. He no longer seems so compelled to prove himself as Shatner does. There is a quiet ease about him.


I also agree with your point that Shatner’s longtime co-authors Gar and Judy Reeves were probably contractually obligated to write his ST books (at most, he probably gave them occasional broadstrokes as to where he wanted the story to go). Similar to when Chris Kreski (a Beavis and Butthead writer) ghost wrote Shatner’s best-selling 1990’s “ST Memories” books (and you could easily tell that they were; the language and attitude of those books was much ‘younger’ than Shatner uses; way too many modern pop references and slang to be believable as Shatner’s ‘own words’). The ‘voice’ of the books didn’t feel like Shatner’s….

I’m pretty sure the TekWar books (as mediocre as those were) were largely ghost-written as well (and if so, very badly). I think it was Shatner’s attempt at fusing the sensibilities of “Star Trek” with his cop show “TJ Hooker.”

77. Curt B - June 1, 2012

Shatner might well have had as much imput to the novels as famous author James Patterson has in the books he writes with other writers. It could be anything from a loose plot to a detailed outline. Most likely he came up with a fairly good plot that the other authors added ideas to and then wrote up the book. As to the biographies, I suspect he related a lot of stories and Kreski worked them into a orderly bio, expanding them if needed in places.

Shatner may be 81 but he seems to be a youthful thinker. It takes skill and imagination to act the way he did in Boston Legal which won him emmy’s. Even his commercials were fun and fresh. He’ll probably outlast Betty white and Bob Hope in remaining in the business untill the 90’s and beyond!

Re his outfit in the pics: He may have dressed down, but looked ok, like he just finished riding one of his horsed. I bet he wasn’t the worst dressed there. I wonder how well dressed anyone not in a costume was at the convention. I usually go in shorts and a casual shirt. How about you?

78. Jim Nightshade - June 1, 2012

Why the hatred for john landis? while not a great director, some of his comedies psrticulary with snl cast were funny—i dont consider him blameless in the deaths f vic morrow n the two kids,it was still mostly a horrible accident with misjudgments on amounts of explosions, positioning of the helcopter, pilot error etc…..i bet all the crew involved in that accident would have done anything to prevent that tragedy n bet it haunts them to this day—anybodyy remember the last few episodes of 3rd rock when lithgow n shatner were together—they even mentiined the common gremlin plane incident they shared—shat my dad said notwithstanding shatner is a great comedy actor wish he did more….

79. Curt B - June 1, 2012

more on shatner and the novels,
apparently mr. shatner can come with good ideas and stories.
I found this info interesting to this chat…

[“The Web of Death” was an undeveloped story outline, written by William Shatner in April 1966. The four-page outline was dated 29 April 1966.

The Enterprise discovers its sister ship, the missing USS Momentous near planet Urus III, trapped in the cocoon of a giant insect. The creature also begins to cover the Enterprise in the same white substance, without much means of escape. Finally, Kirk and the crew manages to distract the creature into attacking the “dead” Momentous, and rescue its crew and themselves.

In a TV Guide article, Gene Roddenberry mentioned that Shatner delivered him a story outline written by him, and that he found it quite good, having a “good flow”, despite his fears of it being terrible. The story was unproduced through, probably because the series’ budget couldn’t allow the special effects it would’ve needed.]

So plotting a book wouldn’t be out of reach for Mr Shatner. is represented by Gorilla Nation. Please contact Gorilla Nation for ad rates, packages and general advertising information.