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Film Review: Prometheus June 8, 2012

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Lindelof,Prometheus,Review,Sci-Fi , trackback

With Prometheus (in theaters today) director Ridley Scott returns to the film universe he started with Alien in 1979. Co-written by Star Trek’s Damon Lindelof, the new movie is a worthy addition to the Alien franchise, but also a different film that poses as many questions as it answers. More in the TrekMovie review below, including some spoilers.

 

REVIEW: Prometheus

Science fiction is at its best when it is both exciting and thought-provoking. And that is what you get with Ridley Scott’s new film Prometheus.  In a return to form, Scott presents a visually stunning vision of the future as he takes us along the journey of the ship Prometheus on a mission to discover the origins of humanity. The film also explores some weighty themes including creation and religion.


Prometheus heads down

Since word of the film first came about, much of the discussion and even debate as been whether or not it is a prequel to Scott’s Alien and how does it fit into the universe. This debate is not unlike that for JJ Abrams 2009 Star Trek movie. But in a technical sense, there is no doubt that Prometheus is a prequel to Alien. It is in the same universe, and takes place a few decades before Ripley and the crew of the USCSS Nostromo were woken up to check out what was happening on LV-426. And while there are no characters from the other Alien films, you have some of the key archetypes, including the android with questionable motives (Michael Fassbender’s David), the corporate weasel (Charlize Theron’s  Vickers) and a kick-ass heroine (Noomi Rapace’s Elizabeth Shaw).


Director Ridley Scott with Noomi Rapace

Prometheus kicks off in the year 2089 with Dr. Elizabeth Shaw and her boyfriend Charlie Holloway (played ably by Logan Marshall-Green) discovering a star map in a cave in Scotland, the oldest of a series they have found throughout the Earth. They decide this is an invitation from some alien visitors who guided humanity. Sparking the interest of Peter Weyland, founder of Weyland Corporation (the precursor to the ubiquitous Weyland-Yatuni from the rest of the Alien series) they and a crew of (mostly) forgettable characters are sent off to LV-223, a moon in an unknown system on board the ship Prometheus. 

Once on the moon the wide-eyed and bushy-tailed team of scientists dive into a dome that the audience can see is just a giant creepy horror show waiting to happen. Influenced by work from the original Alien designers (including the famed H.R. Giger) the production design is spectacular, from the Prometheus ship to the exploration of the moon and its creepy contents.


Hey a room full of dark creepy jars – what’s the worst that can happen?

But it is in this exploration that some things go amiss in the film, and likely not as intended by the filmmakers. We have characters who are supposedly brilliant scientists who have traveled farther than any people ever have before who soon chicken out and want to get back to the ship only to be seen soon after showing less common sense that a coed heading off into the woods alone in a slasher movie. We also have the laid-back captain of the ship (played by Idris Elba) who shows more interest in getting into Charlize Theron’s skin-tight space pants than leading the historic expedition. And most of the other characters just seem like glorified red shirts (without the shirts of course).


Charlize Theron and Idris Elba in Prometheus

On the other hand, you have Michael Fassbender’s David who may be the most interesting android yet in the Alien universe, and that is saying something. Fassbender steals the show as David pushes the story forward while almost everyone else seems to be acting like kids on the school’s worst ever field trip. Also impressive is Rapace’s Shaw, who carries much of the load for exploring the themes of the film, along with providing some of the more memorable sequences, including a "I can’t believe she is doing that" self-operation, complete with laser scalpels. Remember, this movie is rated R, so it goes pretty far when it is trying to creep you out, gross you out, or just plain scare you.


Michael Fassbender’s David the android

While the movie is part of the universe and technically a prequel, it is a different film than Scott’s Alien. Then again, each of the three Alien films that followed had different directors and writers, so no two films in the series really feels the same and Prometheus continues that trend. While there are elements of Scott’s claustrophobic monster-movie Alien and James Cameron’s action-film Aliens, Prometheus is more of a sci-fi epic than any in the series. The visuals are truly stunning and take true advantage of the 3D.


A star map on an alien ship in "Prometheus"

Besides a few lapses in logic and character motivation, Prometheus is still an entertaining and though-provoking movie. Some may feel that the film ends up leaving you with more questions than answers. It is certain that this movie will spark many conversations about both the themes and the meaning of various moments (too hard to discuss without getting into bigger spoilers). This should probably not be a surprise coming from Damon Lindelof, who with Lost was never one to tie everything up in a neat bow.

I feel that this ambiguity is likely part of the design from Scott himself who brought in Lindelof to rewrite Jon Spaihts original draft to expand the film’s scope and make it less of a direct link to everything about the first Alien movie. And in that they have succeeded in creating a new landscape that while in the universe, now has its own road to travel in what was set up (perhaps too obviously) for sequels to come.

Bottom line, Prometheus is a good movie, but short of being a great movie. It is a must see for any fan of the Alien series or thought-provoking science fiction.


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Comments

1. Matt K - June 8, 2012

Thanks for the review Anthony. I’d like to check the movie out in theaters, but a lack of babysitters probably means I’ll be seeing it out on Blu Ray. Of course, when Star Trek 2 comes out, I’ll have the babysitting situation taken care of WAY in advance :)

2. USS Enterprise C - June 8, 2012

Little typo “Alien in 1919″ in first sentence… I agree more questions than answers… reminded me of Lost in that regard, but besides that I had no complaints. Loved it!

3. Red Dead Ryan - June 8, 2012

Thanks for the review, Anthony! I’m really looking forward to this!

4. AJ - June 8, 2012

I’m on the fence….cinema or BR disc? It looks wonderful, but I’m not a fan of cheap scary effects like monster-induced instant C-sections.

As someone who hasn’t seen it, it still looks like a “Preservers” retread in some ways.

5. Weerd1 - June 8, 2012

I was entertained, but think the movie would have been better served with less people running around, and more characters, if that makes sense. When ****** goes on a killing spree, I really don’t care about the people getting whacked. I think Alien pulled it off a bit better by keeping the cast smaller.

That being said, on retrospect I enjoy the whole experience more thinking of David as the lead character rather than Dr. Shaw. I enjoyed the irony of humans being so enamored with finding who created them while blatantly disregarding the life they themselves have made.

6. Anthony Pascale - June 8, 2012

While its true Damon is no fan of spoon feeding answers (LOST), he told me that he considers his work on PROMETHEUS as “work for hire”…he was really following Ridley’s lead. I think the first script was a straight up prequel, but this one was more ambiguous…which is what Scott apparently wanted. So if you come out with questions, that is what he wants…he wants you thinking about it instead of just feeding you answers. Right or wrong, that apparently was the plan

7. SherlockFangirl - June 8, 2012

Was there a reason for doing a bit of Prometheus coverage in recent weeks? I get the whole Lindelof/Trek connection, and that it was declared TrekMovie Movie of the Year or something, but it just seems to be that you guys just jumped on the bandwagon in the past few weeks.

Anyway, I saw this last week at a midnight screening, and it was epic. Looked beautiful, and a really neat way of tying into the Alien mytos while not getting bogged down in what we think an Alien movie should be. I hope they make another.

And for the love of god, see it in a cinema. The opening title sequence alone makes it worth it.

(And Noomi Rapace in a skintight space suit, but that’s just me)

8. Jack - June 8, 2012

See, and I thought Prometheus had more answers than questions. I’d wondered if the point of the whole thing was that answers to questions like “Where did we come from?” “Why are we here?” and “What was the deal with that space jockey in Alien?” can’t help but be disappointing.

Alonso Duralde’s review had a line that hit the nail on the head — “the film ultimately winds up playing like very expensive fan-fiction for people who would have liked 2001 better had everything been explained.”

9. Anthony Pascale - June 8, 2012

we covered Prometheus since it was announced and via the regular scifi updates from Russ. There have been dedicated articles to it since last December

We covered it because I felt like it.

http://trekmovie.com/category/general-sci-fi/prometheus/

I suspect i will pick a movie i want to cover every year there isn’t a Star Trek movie. In 2014 i am thinking of Robopocalypse

10. Gary S. - June 8, 2012

Seeing the the movie tomorrow.
A critic on the radio who gave it 3 stars said he didnt “Get” Noomi Repace.
I like her .
I think she is exotic .

11. ados - June 8, 2012

Not to add any spoilers to this thead…but the stomach cut was a real change to the chest burster…..

12. Jack - June 8, 2012

“We have characters who are supposedly brilliant scientists who have traveled farther than any people ever have before who soon chicken out and want to get back to the ship only to be seen soon after showing less common sense that a coed heading off into the woods alone in a slasher movie. ”

- actually, that aspect (smart scientists being clueless generally) rang true, or least fit the trope. And these guys didn’t know what they were getting into, which is also an interesting set up… which didn’t entirely pay off…But I liked that there’s a bit of meh from characters when confronted with some of this stuff.

13. Red Dead Ryan - June 8, 2012

I don’t mind a movie that asks more questions than it answers. Sometimes its best that the viewer comes to his/her own conclusions, especially when it comes to questions about humanity’s creation, existence and place in the universe. There is so much ambiguity to the matter anyway that any answers the writers come up with will most likely be unsatisfactory. Better to toss out some thought-provoking theories and questions and give the viewers something to ponder on the trip home after the movie ends.

14. Gary S. - June 8, 2012

#8 2010 had all the answers to 2001.
I HATED 2010!
So if Prometheus has some ambiguity , the more the better .

15. Jeyl - June 8, 2012

Final score for Prometheus is….. 3 out of 10.

Overall, it’s a nice looking hollow mess. The characters have very tacked on traits, the reveal moments don’t add anything, and worse, it feels like the first AVP film. The similarities are shockingly similar. To see grown adults who come from very complex professions act like children just took me out of the movie. If the film was trying to convey something else with their behavior, it wasn’t working.

But speaking as an ALIEN fan from way back in the day when I was in my single digits, the biggest disappointment came in the form of the Space Jockeys themselves. Looking at the dead pilot in the chair in the original film always had me wondering what they would have looked like when they were actually alive. I never EVER assumed that they were merely suits for creatures that looked exactly like us. Why should I? That’s no fun at all. To see that very alien looking design by H.R. Giger be turned into that white hairless marshmallow guy will probably rank as one of my all time most disappointing reveals in the history of film. Nothing speaks great creative thinking when the best origin story for life on earth came from a big tall white guy from space.

16. Red Dead Ryan - June 8, 2012

#9.

Interesting about “Robopocalypse”. I bought the novel and plan to start reading it soon!

Look forward to the coverage!

17. CmdrR - June 8, 2012

caption for last picture:

They’re light years ahead of us in technology, but we’re tied when it comes to oversized, government-funded public art projects.

Gonna see it tomorrow.
Thanks for covering this Anthony. Some of us Trekkies actually like other genre events as well.

18. Rosario T. Calabria - June 8, 2012

Watched it today. Really enjoyed it. Great movie. It was gorgeous on the big screen too. Ridley’s directing was top-notch.

I don’t understand why they were so apprehensive about calling this a prequel. It’s certainly not a prequel in the traditional sense, but it’s absolutely a prequel. I think they just wanted to make sure the movie stood on its own and it does.

I’d love to know just how much of the original script remained after Damon made a pass and re-wrote it, but the end result is terrific. I normally don’t like when I exit a movie and don’t have clear “this is what happened” / “this is why it happened” answers, but Prometheus unfolds in a way where it’s actually a bit fun to unravel and dissect.

Besides, the payoff doesn’t have to come just yet. That’s what the sequels would be for. :)

19. Anthony Pascale - June 8, 2012

Ooops… yes indeed i left the caption off the last one because i wanted to start a caption contest…yes it was intentional really

20. Red Dead Ryan - June 8, 2012

#15.

I get the feeling you went into the theatre already hating the movie simply because one of the writers (Damon Lindelof) also helped write J.J Abrams’ “Star Trek”.

My question is: Why did you bother seeing it in the first place?

21. James, London - June 8, 2012

Visually it was one of the best films i have seen in the last few years

Some of the acting was top notch

The direction and music was fantastic

The weak link was the plot if i must be honest – it didnt flow at all

22. Vultan - June 8, 2012

Sounds like it would’ve been better as a one-man show.
Fassbender playing a version of Wall-E. ;)

Eh. I’ll wait for the DVD.
Save my money for the Bat.

23. CarlG - June 8, 2012

@20: Answer: “something, something Strong Female Protagonist (TM), but NOT STRONG ENOUGH! RAWWWR!”

24. Jack - June 8, 2012

RDRyan: Have you seen it?

25. Bob Tompkins - June 8, 2012

Slow pace- even plodding at times, as I expected; surprised it didn’t get a PG13- not nearly the gore and bad language we would expect from such a movie. I have seen worse get the PG13.
I gave it a 5, which is better than I expected. It could have used some judicious editing and cut 15 minutes out.
It’s a VERY direct prequel to Alien, I don’t understand how anyone could watch the final scene and not get that.

26. Long Island Trekster - June 8, 2012

What an awful movie! I blew $35.00 and 2-1/2 hours of my life that I can not get back ever.

THey had such good special effects and terrific ensemble of actors. The action sequences were great. And, that was all. The story line and reasons for tha action sequences with first rate special effects made no sense at all.

It felt like watching special effects clips edited together with no rythme or reason. SAVE YOUR MONEY! SAVE YOUR TIME! STAY AWAY!

YOU WERE WARNED.

27. spock - June 8, 2012

I just got back from seeing the movie. The set up was interesting, the movie quickly fell apart once Alien contact was mode. It was a disjointed mess. People were laughing when they shouldn’t have been, etc. From the med lab scene on, the movie was a big joke. It turned into a parody of Alien 3 and 4

28. Bob Tompkins - June 8, 2012

AP- You should broaden Trek Movie’s horizons and review any movie you feel worthy of being reviewed. It’s not as if this is a magazine or newspaper with space constraints.
There have been periods devoid of Trek or related news with no posts at all.
I, for one, appreciate your journalistic efforts.
Thanks for the Trek [and other] updates an reviews.

29. Adam Cohen - June 8, 2012

Excellent review- completely on point with my feelings. From the moment the human characters awoke from stasis, I was bounced out of the movie. There were so many failures in common sense (the mission plan, the fact that none of these people knew each other before getting on the ship?) and the lack of professionalism were shocking. But then you get Ridley Scott- the master of making a person’s breathing the scariest thing in the world- and the movie works. Prometheus is infuriating, and I’ll probably see it again in the theaters. Oh, and I’m tired of the “Lost” approach to storytelling. You get 2 hrs of my time, just finish the damned story, please.

30. mojomonkey - June 8, 2012

I enjoyed it but Scott should have stuck to his guns & not let Fox drag him back to making an Alien “prequel”. It doesn’t even take place on the same planet & explains *nothing* about the original Alien that we didn’t already know. The whole movie feels needlessly fettered instead of soaring on wings of pure imagination. And Lindelof has to be one of the worst writers in the biz right now, just atrocious!

Maybe the inevitable Scott “expanded cut” will remedy some of the story/pacing problems in the film. But it’s still worth checking out.

31. Daoud - June 8, 2012

CAPTION:
Lindelof works in a Bob Orci cameo as a Giant Stone Head
.
(C’mon, it does favor Bob a bit there!)

32. Whalealein - June 8, 2012

LOVED IT!!! Anyone wanting to see a clone of ALIEN will be disappointed. DO NOT go see it expecting that!! But if you want to see and excellent science fiction film from THE MASTER Ridley Scott — go see it!! AND go see it in 3D!!!! Is it a perfect film? NO!! Was ALIEN? NO!!!

It’s just a thought provoking, excellent film…go see!!!

33. Brevard - June 8, 2012

Yes, the production design and visuals were stunning. We’d expect nothing less from Ridley Scott. Yes, Michael Fassbender was superb. Yes, I’m a huge fan of Alien and went into this movie expecting to be blown away. I was not blown away. After a great 30 minute set-up, the film quickly dissolved into a B-movie mess. Poorly written dialogue. Characters behaving in ways that do not seem true to their natures. Brilliant scientist who behave like children. A mish-mash of religious tripe. Had there been a better script, this would have been a wonderful film. I keep hearing Damon Lindlehof say that he was a “gun for hire” for this film and simply did what Ridley wanted. Surely Damon must know this was a poorly written script and he’s simply trying to save face. For anyone who was a Lost fan, you know that Mr. Lindlehoff and crew are great at setting up glorious ideas, but not so great in seeing them to fruition. I’m sorry, but for me, Prometheus had Damon Lindlehof’s stamp all over it.

34. Brevard - June 8, 2012

Sorry, I did not spell Damon’s last name correctly.

35. luke montgomery - June 8, 2012

This film was a big let down. I’m sad that he will now be directing his attention to a sequel to Blade Runner. It took all the wonder and mystery out of Alien and felt trite, confused and plodding. Do we really need exposition in every scene? People will talk about how it’s “thought provoking” but that’s only for those not used to thinking much. Thankfully, at 74, he won’t be doing this kind of crappy work for much longer.

36. Lil' Shat - June 8, 2012

I don’t know, I was so excited about Prometheus until I read that Damon Lindelof was hired to write, and then of course it became not an Alien prequel but a story set in the same universe (thanks Damon!)… alarm bells were going off like crazy by that point.

I don’t think I can bring myself to see this film in the theater. It’s just that I’ve been cheated out of my hard-earned money by Hollywood (and especially Damon Lindelof) in exchange for shoddy, hollow excuses for entertainment so many times that I just can’t bring myself to sucker up again and pretend to like things I don’t like just because of anticipation, hype and viral campaigns.

37. kmart - June 8, 2012

Boy am I glad I never watched LOST! Prometheus was a huge disappointment.

I’ve rarely seen a movie where nearly every creative call seems to be the wrong choice. Outside of Elba and Fassbender, there are no performances (can’t be any really, given this writing, though Elba does wonders with utter crap to spout), and even the art direction is inconsistent, with the PROMETHEUS ship interior registering as boring.

Excellent one minute of ship collision, undone by stupidity of characters running from big thing ON ITS SAME AXIS OF MOVEMENT and not realizing if they go left or right it will roll on by.

I was fearing this would be EVENT HORIZON. No, this is much worse. EVENT HORIZON’s art direction and VFX make it something I can put in on DVD and at least scan for the good stuff … this is not ever getting another viewing out of me.

38. Keachick - rose pinenut - June 8, 2012

I don’t know what to think. Prometheus started here on Thursday. Maybe I might give it a go on Tuesday when movies are cheaper. I was never a fan of the Alien movies. Oddly, when posters talk about there being religious “tripe” in the dialogue, I start to get interested. Maybe that is because I have always been interested in comparative religion, mysticism and philosopy (certainly no scholar though) and because most of what I read from people on the internet about religion is often negative and dogmatic while, at the same time, revealing some genuine ignorance.

I’ll guess I will have to see and hear for myself. I don’t know if I will pay more to see it in 3D – just stick to 2D probably.

I suspect that the Star Trek sequel being done now will probably be my second foray into 3D, first being the Hobbit. JJ and co. had better “bring it on”!

39. Whalien - June 8, 2012

I don’t know what you big whiner babies wanted from this movie! It’s a better movie than that last Star Trek movie was!! LOL!!!

Anyone curious about this film who is also an ALIEN fan should see it.

Plain and simple. And that Batman movie looks LAME!! SO lame!!!

40. Vultan - June 8, 2012

#39

Exclamations points and capitalization aren’t helping you.

41. Vultan - June 8, 2012

Exclamation.

42. sean - June 8, 2012

I will be seeing this tomorrow.

But for all the folks blaming Lindelof for plot failures, it’s worth noting that a fella named John Spaihts actually wrote the story. Lindelof came in after and touched it up, making it less of a direct Alien prequel. So it’s entirely possible that all the things you’re pinning on Lindelof are actually from Spaihts.

43. spock31a - June 8, 2012

disappointed & unanswered questions. Wanted this to be a tight prequal to the the 79 alien movie.

44. Red Dead Ryan - June 8, 2012

I’m going to see the movie within the next few days. Not sure when exactly though.

45. thebiggfrogg - June 8, 2012

Caption: Blech! Does anyone have a 30′ by 30′ tissue?

46. thebiggfrogg - June 8, 2012

Ambiguity and exploration is good. I wish nuTrek would go there.

47. Elias Javalis - June 8, 2012

A great all around movie. Great fun. Some genuine scary moments, extraordinary cinematic detail. I am satisfied cause it ties a lot of loose ends from the past film and creates others. I also believe that a comparison with ALIEN is a wrong thing. The first film was an introduction and a sequel (kind of). Prometheus is meant to provide answers and questions, and succeeds with flying colors. Granted Alien was more scary but dont forget…1979 was an other era. The genre was experimental. The cinematic technics we take for granted today were pure then..and there is an other thing i should address. 99% of sci fi movies today suffer from thin dialogue and character development. You just cant squeeze heavy special effects and character development into 2 hours..If you want that, you re better off with a TV series..So..its unfair to talk about character development in Prometheus..Why? Because…SPOILER….:):)

48. dmduncan - June 8, 2012

After a long line of Ridley Scott movies that left me underwhelmed, I felt after watching Prometheus that Ridley Scott is back home where he belongs, and where he should stay. Ridley Scott really does his best work when he has worlds to design.

Prometheus managed to capture an odd blend of wonder and horrifying disgust — things that I expect would normally not mesh well together in a movie had I ever seen the mixture tried before, but which did just fine here.

I did not have problems with the story’s logic. AP’s criticism that some of the characters did not act as logically expected is not one that I shared, since people do not act rationally when they are spooked, and the incident that spooked them was enough to account for how some characters changed their attitudes.

And because of some inconsistencies between this movie and Alien, I have some trouble seeing Prometheus as a straight up prequel to Alien. It strikes me as a prequel to some alternate universe Alien that we don’t get to see, if that makes sense to say, rather than as a faithful prequel to Alien in the same way, for example, that The Thing tried to be a faithful prequel to John Carpenter’s far better movie.

So because of those differences you do not need to see Prometheus as a direct ancestor to Alien. It’s related enough that you can, but there are also some important differences that do not make Prometheus the story that leads into Alien. (Sorry, I have to be vague. No spoilers from me! Maybe later I’ll explain.)

It was a big fun movie with amazing visuals and excellent 3D — the first I’ve seen since Hugo. ALL the actors did fine jobs. Yes, Elba and Fassbender were great — but so was Noomi Rapace, who carried the movie in much the same way that Sigourney Weaver did for the older franchise, and whose shapely bottom was yet one more wonderful visual the film had to offer.

Unlike others, I was just too absorbed in the story, and by the experience of all the exquisite details that Ridley Scott manages to stuff into his imaginary worlds, to pick a fight with anything I saw.

49. Red Dead Ryan - June 8, 2012

#48.

Thanks for the review, dm! I’m looking forward to it even more!

50. Hugh Hoyland - June 8, 2012

#48

I agree 100% with just about everything you wrote.

Aside from the obvious beauty of the visuals (IMO the movie at times looked like fine art) I found myself engrossed in the story as well.

It asks big questions, yet doesnt attempt to shove the answers down the viewers throat. It almost reminds me of some of the better stories from TOS.

This is one of those movies that sticks in my mind, and for different reasons. It takes a bit to absorb.

Mr. Scott welcome back to the film genre you do best! :]

Like Star Trek 09, this movie motivates me to learn the craft of screenplay writing. I may actually do a spec script on a sequel story just to entertain myself lol

51. Smike - June 8, 2012

I don’t get why so many people are disappointed because this isn’t a tight prequel to the ALIEN quadrology. It doesn’t have to be as long as it is set in the same universe. There were almost no direct connections between ENT and TOS but yet, it was a prequel. Kirk may have never met the Borg (onscreen), but still, they share the same fictional universe. So what’s the big deal…

Unfortunately, the film doesn’t start until August in my country so I will have to stick with reading reviews for the time being.

The one thing I’m kind of worried about. According to an online source, there are proto-Xenomorphs in an earlier stage of evolution involved. That kind of tampers with the AvP-movies. If the Xenomorphs are yet to become what they are around the year 2100, they can’t be hunted by the Predators in the 1990s and 2000s, let alone millennia before on Earth…

52. Smike - June 8, 2012

@37: “I was fearing this would be EVENT HORIZON. No, this is much worse. ”

Well, to each his own but honestly… Event Horizon is a masterpiece in my book. It’s one of my all-time favourites, on par with the two original Alien films… It’s a matter of taste though…

53. KHAN 2.0 - June 9, 2012

posted some of this in a previous thread but i think it got deleted:

Prometheus seems to share certain elements with the proposed first Trek film – Planet of the Titans:
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Planet_of_the_Titans
“Set after the five-year mission depicted in the series, the film involved Starfleet competing with the Klingons for claim to the supposed homeworld of the mythical Titans, a technologically-advanced race long thought extinct. As the planet is pulled into a black hole, the USS Enterprise must also face off against the Cygnans, the alien race responsible for the Titans’ disappearance. Ultimately, Captain Kirk is forced to take the Enterprise into the black hole to defeat the Cygnans, a decision that sends the starship and its crew backwards in time thousands of years and into orbit around Earth. After introducing fire to the primitive Humans living at the time, Kirk and his crew are revealed to be the legendary Titans”

also in addition to the likes of the 1st AvP, 2001, Mission to Mars, X Files movie, Event Horizon, Indy 4, Mountains of Madness etc, there were some strong similarities to various Treks – TNGs The Chase (virtually the same story without the gore/horror), Star Trek V (planet of life quest, discover evil god like alien) and First Contact (engineers were sort of bare Borg like in appearance, biomechanical ships, bio weapons infecting humans/turning them against crew, wanting to destroy humanity, David wanting to be human like Data…..then again FC was pretty much Treks take on ‘Aliens’ – heavily influenced by Giger and the first 2 Alien films)

54. KHAN 2.0 - June 9, 2012

check out R Scott discussing JJs Trek and TOS/shatner in the opening minute here:
http://www.empireonline.com/interviews/interview.asp?IID=1510

i love it when you hear the big name directors like Cameron, Scott Spielberg etc talking Trek. makes you imagine they might direct one… maybe Scott could direct Trek 3 after hes done with Blade Runner 2?(not that theres anything wrong with JJ…but just imagine a Ridley Scott Trek film!)…heh remember when Rick Berman compared an early cut of Nemesis to looking like a R Scott film?… i wonder had they approached him to direct that hed have done it? certainly wouldve been the most interesting looking Trek film

55. enterprise1965 - June 9, 2012

We waited over 30 years to find out that the space jockeys in the 1079 Alien movie were actually human? Big dissapoint ment

56. Pauln6 - June 9, 2012

@ 29 – I agree that the early scenes in the movie really held my attention but once the crew work up I really started to be drawn out of the story by their annoying stupidity. I accept that characters have to behave unwisely for bad stuff to happen but this kind of movie works better where at least some of them are not idiots.

I’m surprised that someone said the pace was slow – it shows you can’t please all of the people all of the time – because I thought that one they’d landed the characters went running off like a bunch of ADSD 8 year old let loose in a playground and they were never really reigned back in. The almost total lack of scientific method in their actions (and the alien snake scene is an astoundingly bad example of this) is really annoying. So we have everybody including the MD and biologist taking off helmets because, well, if the atmosphere is breathable there can’t be anything dangerous in it. If just Charlie had done it, it would have kept plausible deniability later in the story and made the story tighter.

I would have preferred it if they could have established more of the characters early in the mvie by dhowing some of their personalities – Alien and Aliens managed it with breakfast scenes. Weylands video presentation should have been one of the things that David watched in the early scene to prevet it being so jarring when everybody woke up. Rapace should have been put in stasis early on so that some of the other characters could step to the fore, giving us more than one lead and the possibility that one of the central heroes dying. Vickers in particular would have been an interesting character to develop alongside the captain and his engineers so that an us-and-them dynamic could be developed to ramp up more paranoia.

It was enjoyable, Fassbender was great but the characters and story were a bit childish. I wanted X-Men2 and I got Wolverine.

57. spockisgod - June 9, 2012

What is it with people nowdays??
Every bloody review or comment for a movie starts off with:
“ooh, i was lucky enough to see this at a midnight screening”
Or “I caught this on a preview screening”
Who gives a shit when or how one warched the movie as long as you watched the movie!
This happens all the time on imdb too.
I think i’ll start my next bd review with:
” I was lucky enough to catch a screening of this movie in my lounge on my big tv”
Enough already

58. truereligion - June 9, 2012

More in the TrekMovie review below, including some spoilers. hah.it just a joke.

59. Shamelord - June 9, 2012

Anthony,

In broad terms I agree with your review. The characters were poorly written and not up to the standard of their historic mission. The fact that they were informed of the mission just before arrival broke my suspension of disbelief. So did the crewman’s reaction when he started panicking inside the tunnels and wanted to back to the ship. That was bazooka writing to me. I agree both Noomi Rapace and Michael Fassbender had better written parts and left a much better impression.
The film was a total spectacle however and Ridley Scott’s direction can elevate any bad scene he asked for. But it was not a bad movie – only some writing choices would have needed more attention.

60. Andy Patterson - June 9, 2012

It is a great movie to look at. I do however miss practical special effects. Thought that was what made it work in the original Alien. And there was substance. I’ll go further,…I think there was a sensibility at the time and a set of people working with those sensibilities in Hollywood that made things work. I don’t feel that a lot these days.

I don’t know if I’m allowed to put spoilers in my review but if so…here we go.

spoilers:

I had to ask myself how did this crew get on this ship and not know what they were doing? What was the purpose of the briefing after they awake from hibernation? Really? There were people who didn’t know why they’d come along? How does that work out? That only helped emphasize the fact that none of them acting very smart.

So, the people that made us were great big muscled up, angry (and not very intelligent looking, or acting in my opinion) beings? Ok. Phooey.

And I felt it was a cheat that they weren’t really elephant faced people. That the space jockey was wearing some trunked helmet. That little, throwaway, suspenseful scene in the orignal really made you think.

I also don’t buy the way we’re told the Alien species came about. I resist this the way I resisted Midichlorians and have the stuff in the first SW prequels. Un-needed rubbish. Bad writing.

I missed a Goldsmith score or one that was a little more avant garde. Not the heroic mellow fanfares of this one. The sophistication of his music lent big to the first Alien.

And lastly, Alien vs. Predator was on today. As silly as it is, I watched it today ,and I have to say I enjoyed it more.

61. Jeyl - June 9, 2012

#20:Red Dead Ryan
I get the feeling you went into the theatre already hating the movie simply because one of the writers (Damon Lindelof) also helped write J.J Abrams’ “Star Trek”. My question is: Why did you bother seeing it in the first place?

First off Red, Damon Lindelof didn’t help write Trek09. He was a producer. And second, I saw this film for the same reason that everyone did. To be entertained. I was not.

62. James T. West - June 9, 2012

Spot-on review!
I saw it in 3D yesterday. Fassbender steals the movie! I agree wholeheartedly that the film leaves too many questions unanswered, but it is the ambiguity that is remembered, and the amazing cinematography! This is the BEST looking “Alien” film yet! And best looking sci-fi film I’ve seen!
Theron was sexy as hell too! And Elba was so underutilized…again!
Its worth going just to see the sets, landscapes, and special effects! As far as the R? I thought the 1979 entry was far more graphic, disturbing, and relentless.
I voted it an 8/10.

63. UKTrekkie - June 9, 2012

What spolit it for me is that they gave away too much in the trailer. The film itself is great and very thought provoking.

A little disappointing but a great story and will no doubts lead to at least one more sequel.

I am hoping to see it again but this time in IMAX 3D for the experience.

I have it a 6.

64. La Reyne d'Epee - June 9, 2012

Going to see it this week, keeping my expectations low. I’ll be happy if I get the sort of spectacle I assume Ridley Scott can deliver, anything else is a bonus.

65. Sebastian S. - June 9, 2012

My wife and I are going to see it this morning, in I-Max 3D. Not really reading any spoilers or reviews (not even the one above) as I truly want to keep an impartial, unbiased opinion on this one. ;-)

I loved “John Carter (of Mars)” when all of the critics were trashing it left and right, so I’m going into “Prometheus” with zero expectations (except for an incredible visual experience, which the trailers and pics have already demonstrated it would be), and minimal hopes that Ridley Scott’s return to scifi after a 30 year absence will be positive one…

66. Punkspocker - June 9, 2012

Excellent review you nailed it. And people, please dont read the post if you arent interested in subject matter. This site does a fabulous job with offering up a all-u-can-eat buffet. Scott an Moffit for Trek 13! Anyone with me? Oh, and a caption “Suddenly Vaul starts singing ‘Kiss From A Rose’”

67. wintermuteblu - June 9, 2012

Caption Contest:

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68. dmduncan - June 9, 2012

54. KHAN 2.0 – June 9, 2012

KInd words for Star Trek, both new and TOS, from Ridley Scott. Nice to hear that!

69. Thorny - June 9, 2012

“Prometheus” is this year’s “Super 8″, a good movie that fell short of being a great one.

Looked great, but the acting was mediocre (especially all of the forgettable alien-bait characters) and all of the characters except Shaw are paper-thin Both “Alien” and “Aliens” had far more interesting secondary characters. Did anyone even remember the names of, never mind care about the first two victims in this movie? The movie slows down too much too often, which gave me enough time to think things like “hey, what they heck is she doing THAT for?” “Aliens” succeeded because it never let up and never gave the audience that chance to step back and see that some of the plot turns make no sense at all.

70. Thorny - June 9, 2012

Caption Contest: “Does anyone else get the feeling we’re being watched?”

71. Adam C - June 9, 2012

Prometheus is a film missed the mark for me. In my mind I would focused on Michael Fassbender’s David character even more so. Alot of the film really didnt satisfy me, it was like watching a Marvel Sci-Fi.

72. dmduncan - June 9, 2012

60: “I had to ask myself how did this crew get on this ship and not know what they were doing? What was the purpose of the briefing after they awake from hibernation? Really? There were people who didn’t know why they’d come along? How does that work out? That only helped emphasize the fact that none of them acting very smart.”

If you really need motivation for that, a solid speculative reason is really not hard to come by just based on the particulars of the film.

This is a future where long distance space travel is possible, and while being asleep for the ride. It’s not a one way trip, and you fully expect to go back home after it’s done, where you can spend whatever money you’ve earned.

And the spaceship didn’t belong to NASA, it belonged to the Weyland CORPORATION. Weyland — he’s the eccentric and, as the film made it obvious, SECRETIVE “Building Better Worlds” guy, and he’s got some spare money to throw around to get what he wants done, and in exactly the way that he wants it done.

To put it bluntly: money talks.

This is exactly the sort of question that when defined for you in the movie is what I call spoon feeding.

And of course if you’ve seen AVP it’s exactly the same idea where Weyland has his man wave cash in front of people to get them to do some mystery job in Antarctica.

But even if you don’t want to let ideas from AVP crossover into Prometheus, how you can PREVENT yourself from supplying a motivation like that just based on what we know about the people in this film and about how we know the world works in general, is hard for me to understand.

That sort of gripe is to me making a mountain out of a molehill. Most gripes I’ve heard so far are molehills.

I DO understand where Jeyl is coming from regarding the space jockey, but that did not have the same impact on me as it did on her because by the end this film struck me almost as a reimagining of the Alien franchise than as a faithful prequel.

So there is some doubt in my mind whether Scott expects us to think this IS a prequel set in the same universe as Alien. This is, again, very much unlike the most recent The Thing, where the events in that movie clearly set up what happens immediately prior to and leading up to the Carpenter movie.

(!!!WARNING: MINOR SPOILER AHEAD!!!)

Scott’s movie is more ambiguous, and anyone who has seen it should know what I mean, because how Prometheus ends is not consistent with what the crew of the Nostromo find when they go to investigate the warning signal from Zeta Reticuli.

73. kmart - June 9, 2012

53,

All of those films you cite owe something to QUATERMASS & THE PIT, a 50s British miniseries and the 1967 feature film of the same name (aka FIVE MILLION YEARS TO EARTH.)

And Scott has knocked trek for years, both for its approaches to miniatures and to art direction in general. Funny that given his op to do a trek type thing it falls between THE GOD THING, Planet of Titans and Shat’s Trek 5, though impresses far less. Weird to think that there are better camera angles in Shat’s flick than Scott’s, but this is really a p.o.s. (planet of shitty titans.)

74. KHAN 2.0 - June 9, 2012

@73 the scene of anicient Weyland and co visiting ‘god’ (the engineer) to ask stuff, get knowledge etc and instead getting their collective asses kicked was quite similar to the ‘what does God need with a starship’ scene…even down to the main character then being pursued by the angry ‘god’

75. Hugh Hoyland - June 9, 2012

Prometheus’ end is not the start of Alien, we have a whole other story (stories) to go before that happens.

I honestly didnt get much an Alien vibe from this flick at all. Even with the more obvious “nods” that where there. This felt like a new story, and thats what Scott and D.L. said they were aiming for.

Cant wait to see where he takes this. I think Scott did for Alien what JJ Abrams did for Trek (of course in different ways), he revitalized it IMO.

76. KHAN 2.0 - June 9, 2012

Prometheus 2 plot – Shaw makes it to the engineers homeplanet (trona peaks) and finds ‘god’ to be Santa in a blue light who wants to borrow her ship.

77. Azrael - June 9, 2012

@17. Would you be referring to Mt. Rushmore? Or is there something else you are pointing at? I am honestly curious, I live about 20 minutes away from Mt. Rushmore, and you may not know that thanks to the involvement of the government it was never finished. The faces were originally supposed to be carved out to the waist, not the collar.

If you are talking about the other South Dakota mountain being turned into a statue, namely Crazy Horse Mountain, it is not a government funded project, and never has been. The man who started the project worked on Mt. Rushmore and his anger at the government for never finishing it was the reason for his decision to refuse any government funding for Crazy Horse. I did get to meet his wife, who runs the project now, and she is a really classy old woman (old enough to have met Sitting Bull, who fought at the Battle of the Little Big Horn aka Custer’s Last Stand).

On the other hand if you are talking about something else entirely then I am sorry for taking up your time. :)

78. Bob - June 9, 2012

Saw it in IMAX 3D last night. While I thought that the visuals were stunning, I left the theater with mixed feelings about the film.
By far, my biggest issue happened after Shaw (the lead female scientist) has the alien fetus removed from her in the self surgery. She meets up with the rest of the crew AND MENTIONS NOTHING ABOUT IT. No accusations towards David about his motives for tranquilizing her. No mention at all about the fetus itself. Nobody asked her why she was covered in blood and had staples all along her abdomen. I would think that even with everything else going on around them, someone would have noticed. That just really bugged the crap out of me.
I agree with a lot of the threads above with regards to the attitude of the scientists and some of their lack of conversations about what exactly they were looking for and finding. There was a shocking lack of discussion about the reactions to what they had found. They really had found who and what created us. That’s bound to stir up some fairly raw emotions, but we saw none of it.
And why did they make Vickers into Weyland’s daughter? Seemed like a rather pointless plot line to me. Meant as an “ah ha!” moment that for me just felt blah and frankly awkward in it’s execution. I”m hoping that there’s some things on the cutting room floor that were edited out and can be put back in for a later release on blue-ray…
I also have to say that I hated the final ending alien design. If they went through all of the trouble of making the Space Jockey/Engineer look pretty much identical to the original Alien film, the very least they could do is leave the iconic alien alone. It’s original design made it, in the words of Ash “The perfect organism. It’s structural perfection is matched only by its hostility.”. Yes, it was an obvious homage to the original design, but why change it at all???
Just my two cents worth. I plan on seeing it again this weekend. I’m hoping that like a lot of Japanese anime, there is some small bit of dialogue or something in the background that was just overlooked by me as I took in all of the stunning visuals & didn’t realize that it would come into play in a major way later on in the plot. At least, that’s what I’m hoping.

79. Rico - June 9, 2012

Very agree with your review overall. Solid movie – but not amazing. But Fassbender is really, really good in it as is Noomi Rapace.

80. Basement Blogger - June 9, 2012

I agree with Anthony’s review and grade. I still want to blame the big unanswered questions to Damon Lindelof who did the same thing with Lost, Season Six. Damoooon!

If there are no sequels, this movie has major flaws. The unanswered questions then become plot holes. What were David’s motivations? Etc., etc. I don’t want all the answers but when you heap mysteries on the viewer that you can easily explain, you had better. The audience leaves the theater dissatisfied. I did. Still, it is smart and worth seeing. .

Good thing Star Trek is not Lost.

81. William Kirk - June 9, 2012

Just returned from the cinema. Ugly movie. Can´t understand, that the same man directed the first great Alien movie. This was crap, sorry to say it, because I was so looking forward to this movie. SPOILER: First half was AVP, the second half ST: V The Final Fronitier.

82. Jack - June 9, 2012

Big pet peeve – people who haven’t seen a film yet but still disagree with others’ reviews.

I think what bugged me about Prometheus is that people are talking about it being profound. Other than a few unexplained plot points and set ups fpr a sequel (s) (and a pretty great opening scene), the movie does indeed spoonfeed the audience. Aside from a few, clunky, required what’s-the-meaning-of-it-all lines, this is mainly a cat-in-the-cupboard, gross-out thriller about bad corporations, hubris, the dangers of creating, being careful what you wish for, selfish motives and, well, mostly just monsters. It’s silly and, at it’s best moments, scary and, yeah, it looks great — although the aliens mostly come from the Men In Black school of CGI.

It’s a prequel. Period.

Splice is a better, creepier movie on a similar topic.

83. KHAN 2.0 - June 9, 2012

Prometheus writers discuss David/Data similarities:

[VN] Speaking of characters, was there any inspiration from [Star Trek's] Seven of Nine and Data? I felt there was a little bit of similarity between her role…
[DL] Hmm, we never talked about that …
[VN] … and Data, and David, I felt like…
[JS] I’ve seen it all
[VN] … they were very similar characters. And I love them both, I love the way they were similar.
[JS] It would be interesting to look at the timeline for the space-fairing android in popular culture.
[DL] It’s a good name for a college band
[JS] “Space-fairing Android”? Awesome. It would be acid jazz probably
[DL] Uh-huh
[JS] I expect you could probably draw a line from Data the android and the crew of the Enterprise, to Ash and the crew of the Nostromo; it became a trope in the Alien universe that there was an android aboard. And it wouldn’t surprise me if that inclusion – although, y’know, Robbie the Robot was aboard the Space Family Robinson’s flying saucer, so I suppose the trope goes farther back than that – the mechanical man as one member of the crew. So I think there are definitely instances of a trope that runs pretty far back into the culture of sci-fi.
[DL] One of the things that think though that was definitely already existing in, that Jon created in the character of David, and that got pushed further and further as the movie developed, was that unlike Data or Seven of Nine – and more like Ash – David was not interested in being a “real boy.” This idea that Data is sort of fascinated by humans and so desperately wants to be one and experiment, his adventures with his emotion chip. David was already looking at himself as “not too close, I hope”… there’s this moment of, like, “hey, look, I sort of look at your tired desire to seek out these questions, the answers to these questions as folly, as I’m amongst my creators and I have to be honest with you, I’m not terribly impressed.”
[JS] Exactly
[DL] And I think that that is a slightly different spin on the robot.
[VN] In some sense the robot thought he was better than them, because he felt that he could do much more than them.

http://www.slashgear.com/prometheus-we-talk-alien-and-tech-with-ridleys-writer-duo-01231203/

84. KHAN 2.0 - June 9, 2012

re APs tweet:
23 yrs ago today #STARTREK V @williamshatner asked “What does God need with a starship?” This wkd @damonlindelof answers that in PROMETHEUS

wow the 5th Alien film (forget the AvPs) dealing with god is out the exact same wkend as the similarly themed/plotted Trek V – spooky!

first Inception (the Trek V was a dream theory), now Prometheus…TFF really is shaping up to be the Trek film that foreshadowed todays more thought provoking blockbusters…

if only Shatner had had an extra few million to play with and to fix that damn ending, Trek V might never have been so…misunderstood

85. Hugh Hoyland - June 9, 2012

Im certain that I’m going to see this movie out again at the theater. But my opinion is just dont listen to a pro (like myself) or a con as far as this movie goes.

Check it out for yourself and make up your own mind. (And see it on the biggest screen possible lol)

IMO its a Sci-fi work of art, and a beautiful one at that. But art is of course subjective.

P.S. Any story told is going to have similar themes to other stories. Heck if you really want to compare Planet of Titins or Star Trek V to Prometheus you could also say Star Trek: Insurrection is very close to Avatar story wise.

86. MJ - June 9, 2012

@48. DM Duncan, just got back from seeing Prometheus. Agree with your review pretty much 100%. God, I had nearly forgot how great it was to see a large scale hard sf movie. What a treat! It asked more questions then it answered, which is what great scifi is all about. Hope it does well enough to that we get the sequel. Fassbender should get an Academy award for his part — and the Lawrence of Arabia quotes by him were great!

@82. Splice? You’ve got to be kidding me. That is like comparing Filet Mignon to Spam. Give me a break — did we see the same movie?

87. JP - June 9, 2012

One of my main problems is the premise. Warmed over creationism and intelligent design with a glossy scifi veneer. Mix that in with all of the character contrivances used to move the plot along it all becomes a bit hard to take seriously. It gets the atmosphere and the look right but I kept getting bounced out of the movie by its content.

88. dmduncan - June 9, 2012

86. MJ – June 9, 2012

Glad you liked it!

@82: This is a good reason why people should see for themselves. I thought Splice was an absolutely awful movie. It’s on my list of worst professionally done movies (as opposed to my list of worst unprofessionally done movies, like Plan 9 From Outer Space). I saw Splice once, and I regret giving it even that viewing.

Prometheus on the other hand is a movie I will watch over and over again on Blueray.

It put me on an alien world I felt was real, and it showed me things that left me gaping.

Really enjoyed the experience.

89. MJ - June 9, 2012

@87 “Warmed over creationism and intelligent design with a glossy scifi veneer”

Huh???

90. Jason - June 9, 2012

And this has to do with Star Trek…how? Look, if your going to call this a Star Trek site, please keep it to things that actually are about Star Trek. If it’s going to be a general Sci Fi site, then make that clear and change your domain name.

91. MJ - June 9, 2012

@90 Guess you never heard of:

“exploring strange new worlds and civilizations.”

:-)

92. Jack - June 9, 2012

I didn’t say Splice was good, I said I thought it was better than this, at least at looking at some of this stuff. But, hey — glad you liked it.

93. JP - June 9, 2012

This review nailed it on the head as to what bothered me about the film (and what I liked about certain parts of it):

http://www.economist.com/blogs/prospero/2012/06/ridley-scotts-prometheus

An excerpt:

“In the how-to guide provided to “Star Trek” writers back in the 1960s, the people responsible for that red-shirted cannon fodder wrote: “We’ve learned during a full season of making visual science fiction that believability of characters, their actions and reactions, is our greatest need.” Back when they made “Alien”, Mr Scott and his writers (Dan O’Bannon and Ronald Shusett) knew this. The small group eating breakfast together, bitching about pay differentials, playing out little status games and so on were utterly believable, and allowed Mr Scott to take an outer-space aesthetic derived from the inhuman grandeur of Stanley Kubrick’s “2001″ and make it a fully realised setting rather than an end in itself, one that he could subvert with the very different aesthetic developed for his aliens.

In “Prometheus”, believability of character is lost, either due, as the dialogue suggests, to a genuinely poor screenplay (by Jon Spaihts and Damon Lindelhof), or to one mangled in the filming and editing, or both. In its place, alas, are “ideas”. Science fiction can be a fine home for big ideas—as in “2001″. But creationist intelligent design is neither big nor clever. When alien DNA is revealed to be—gasp—100% identical to human DNA, no one says, as one would imagine that they might, “so what about the 98% identical DNA in chimps—where does that fit in?” Admittedly, a character identified as a biologist does harrumph in an aside about giving up on the theory of evolution. But as he later takes pole position in the too-stupid-for-a-red-shirt stakes it’s hard to take him seriously as a critic of this preposterousness. And it’s not even as if intelligent design were intriguingly subversive. An astonishing 46% of Americans will say when asked by pollsters that they believe that God created humans in their present form 10,000 years ago. It is, to be fair, perhaps a little subversive, if far from original—Captain Kirk was always going up against dodgy gods—to suggest that the creators/engineers/gods involved were, in fact, not very nice aliens. But though the parallels are highlighted between humans as creations and androids as creations, and the question of what creators owe the created is at least raised, nothing comes of it. Indeed anyone who finds it in himself to take what the film says are big questions seriously will find himself direly short-changed, as many of the answers simply don’t arrive.

The film looks spectacular, never more so than when it doesn’t seem to know what else to do. The fact that Mr Scott’s films often look amazing should not diminish that accomplishment; he really has a superlative eye, and knows how to get a team to realise his visions. Plenty of people pay similar amounts for special effects and get much less that is special, and much less effect. The design is great, it is beautifully realised, the shots are never less than well composed and often a good bit more (the landscape montage at the beginning is a particular wonder). The gloopy visceral stuff is gloopily visceral, though the laughter which greeted one “enemy within” sequence suggested that the body horror was failing to overcome the sheer ludicrousness. There are thrills, and images to live in the memory, some with the power of an unwelcome but unevictable guest. But there is no satisfaction.”

94. Azrael - June 9, 2012

@90. And who made you the internet police? Just to answer your question, this is connected to Star Trek since Damon Lindeloff is involved in both.

95. Red Dead Ryan - June 9, 2012

I agree with MJ and dmduncan 100% on “Prometheus”. I just got back from seeing it at the theatre. WOW! Amazing! Epic! Scary! Noomi Rapace reminded me of Sigourney Weaver from “Aliens”, especially towards the end.

Great performances from everyone else involved. Michael Fassbender gave another stellar performance as David, the android. He was cold, detatched, sometimes aloof (in a robot-kind of way), and was the epitome of the pros and cons of the creation of artificial intelligence.

I get the sense this movie was more of a reboot (ala “Star Trek”, “Batman Begins”, “Casino Royale”) than a true prequel simply because I didn’t feel that it was confined to the canon of the first “Alien”. This was more like an “alternate universe Alien” film, where Ridley Scott felt free to do some things differently.

I thought the characters reacted realistically in the movie. I was able to imagine myself alongside them, and so I understood how they acted. They had jobs to do. And they had no idea about what they were about to discover, and how dangerous it was until they went into the Space Jockey ship. We weren’t in their situation, and so it’s easy to sit here and say what the “proper” reactions should have been.

Also, I liked how not all the questions were answered. I think sometimes its better to raise some thought-provoking questions for the audience to mull over. Otherwise, the whole movie is spoiled.

It is also clear that there will be sequels, which will most likely be different from the original “Alien” films in a lot of ways but still be connected to the whole mythology. I can’t wait.

96. MJ - June 9, 2012

@93. Here is a review I identify with more based on my experience of seenig it today (4-stars; Roger Ebert):

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120606/REVIEWS/120609989

Some excerpts:

Ridley Scott’s “Prometheus” is a magnificent science-fiction film, all the more intriguing because it raises questions about the origin of human life and doesn’t have the answers. It’s in the classic tradition of golden age sci-fi, echoing Scott’s “Alien” (1979), but creating a world of its own. I’m a pushover for material like this; it’s a seamless blend of story, special effects and pitch-perfect casting, filmed in sane, effective 3-D that doesn’t distract….

The alien race in “Prometheus” shares a body characteristic that reminds me of “Alien” and countless films since: Elements can detach from them and enter into other bodies as hostile parasites. This leads to an astonishing sequence in which Elizabeth, alone on the ship, discovers she is pregnant with an alien Something and somehow finds the will to control a robot surgery device that removes it. Her later showdown with a waning oxygen supply shows equal resourcefulness; Noomi Rapace (“The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo,” 2009) continues here the tradition of awesome feminine strength begun by Sigourney Weaver in “Alien.”….

The most tantalizing element is how it plays with the role of these DNA twins. Did they create life on Earth? The possibility of two identical DNAs as a coincidence is unthinkable. Charlie digs at Elizabeth, suggesting their existence disproves her beliefs. Her obvious response: Where did they come from? This puzzle is embedded in an adventure film that has staggering visuals, expert horror, mind-challenging ideas and enough unanswered questions to prime the inevitable sequel.

97. Red Dead Ryan - June 9, 2012

#90.

Every time I see you here, you bitch about something. Try getting a life!

98. MJ - June 9, 2012

@97. Perhaps wearing that hockey mask all the time makes him irritable?

99. Vultan - June 9, 2012

#93

Interesting point the critic made about the “pay differentials” in “Alien.”
I haven’t seen “Prometheus” yet. Does it explain “the bonus situation”?

C’mon, that’s the most important question, people. Much more than all that who-created-mankind hooey? Let’s talk about the bonus situation!

Oh, Yaphet Kotto… what a character…

100. Red Shirt Diaries - June 9, 2012

#93

Since when is “The Economist” a credible reviewer of movies, especially science fiction? Why would I want to go to The Economist website ever for movie reviews? It is a political rag whose editors support legalizing drugs and prostitution.

101. JP - June 9, 2012

#99: lol. Sadly, you are going to be disappointed. Agree with you though… we gotta get that sh*t squared away before we get home :)

102. Hugh Hoyland - June 9, 2012

My question is does Prometheus deserve to be mentioned as being “equel to” Scotts other two Sci-Fi classics “Alien” and “Blade Runner”?

IMO…Yes. Or is it hard to compare like that?

103. MJ - June 9, 2012

@101. As much as I liked it, it is not up there with Alien, Blade Runner and 2001 — those three are the best hard scifi movies of all time. I would put it right up there though with Avatar, The Matrix,abd Forbidden Planet.

104. MJ - June 9, 2012

Whoops, my post above is responding to Hugh Hoyland.

105. dmduncan - June 9, 2012

87. JP – June 9, 2012

One of my main problems is the premise. Warmed over creationism and intelligent design with a glossy scifi veneer.

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LOL! I’d say that’s a problem you brought to the movie. Where did you spy creationism?

As for intelligent design, well yeah…some life forms are genetically engineered, and yes, that IS “intelligent design,” though not of the religious variety. It isn’t a theory but a fact that people are intelligently — I would argue not so intelligently — engineering life forms, and THAT was the premise of the movie.

Anyone looking to Prometheus for a speculatively entertaining answer to their RELIGIOUS questions on the origin of humanity and self consciousness is going to leave empty handed. It wasn’t that kind of movie at all.

106. dmduncan - June 9, 2012

99. Vultan – June 9, 2012

LOL! I watch that movie every night on my way to bed and I never get tired of it.

And I think I finally figured out why JJ Abrams never comes down here. It’s because of you! You got no personality…

107. dmduncan - June 9, 2012

And looky here — Ebert and I are on the same page this time. Go figure.

108. dmduncan - June 9, 2012

102. Hugh Hoyland – June 9, 2012

I liked it better than Aliens, not as much as Alien. But oh what a good case of world building Ridley Scott did here. I still can’t shake the feeling that I’ve finally been to another planet.

Perhaps because it was so much more subtle than Avatar, it felt more real.

The 3D here was really, really good because it was not done with stuff in your face tricks. That helped it to feel more lifelike to me.

109. Hugh Hoyland - June 9, 2012

#103 MJ

Ah, yeah fair points. And those are classics to me as well.

I dunno, I honestly get a Blade Runner/Alien vibe from Prometheus. It has elements of both movies IMO. Maybe its the beautiful semi panoramic visuals that does that + the sory.

I still have to digest it though. This will take multipal viewings indeed. lol

110. Vultan - June 9, 2012

#106

“Right.”

;)

111. Hugh Hoyland - June 9, 2012

108 dmduncan

The 3D was simply stunning, and like you, this world felt real to me, raw.

I hate to say I like it better than Aliens, because I love that movie so much as well (But I do lol). Its tough to compare.

Either way In my mind Scott simply made another Sci-Fi masterpiece.

112. Hugh Hoyland - June 9, 2012

110 Vultan

lol.

113. Vultan - June 9, 2012

For those who have seen “Prometheus,” would you say the characters are as memorable as the ones in “Alien” or “Aliens”? I think that’s where the later pair of movies went wrong—among other flaws, of course.

But I mean, can you name off the top of your head anyone besides Ripley in Alien 3 (the prisoners) or Resurrection (the space mercenaries)? Uh… hmm… well, there was that wheelchair guy… what was his name… uh… nah, I got nothing. Anyone…?

114. Tom - June 9, 2012

@ 6…great point. We here in the states tend to like things spelled out in movies. Where Scott wants us to think. This is something we have lost in movies these days. In Europe movie are still made the thinking way

115. Craig - June 9, 2012

Im not going to read this whole review just yet since I havent seen it but im going Monday.
For those of you who are on the fence about seeing it or waiting til it hits home video I strongly suggest you go see it in the theater. Sci-Fi is so few these days and we as Sci-Fi fans need to support all that we can get. Once the big studios see that more people are paying for Sci-Fi we will be getting new shows and movies! We need more!!!

116. Hugh Hoyland - June 9, 2012

In Alien 3 I liked the “Doc” but I’ll be darned if I can remember his name The “lead” Prisoner was memorable, his name escapes me to lol. The crazy prisoner I think is named “Golic”? And the reason I may be right about that is because I’ve watched the “Assembly cut” version which has a more in depth story arc to his character than the theatrical cut. (In the AC they actually capture the alien, but “Golic” lets it out thinking its a demon or something.

Alien Resurrection, wow I’ll get back to you on that one.

Yeah I think the “main” characters in Prometheus match up well. Will they be as memorable as Ripley, Hicks, Bishop, Dallas ect.? hmmm dunno.

117. TonyD - June 9, 2012

I saw Prometheus today on a RealD 3D screen. I liked it and its definitely the best film since at least Aliens but I also thought it had a lot of problems. I got the impression it was trying to be both a hardcore, “big idea” science fiction film as well as a horror movie like its illustrious predecessor but didn’t really succeed at accomplishing either. While the film poses some pretty interesting questions about where we may come from, the crew sent to find the answers is made up of some of the stupidest people you are ever likely to meet. The idiotic way in which some of the characters interact with the mysteries they encounter pretty much dooms Prometheus from ever being mentioned in the same breath as 2001 or Forbidden Planet (or even the first Alien). In terms of scares, the movie never manages to reach that frantic, visceral pace of the original, presenting instead a deliberate, almost leisurely story punctuated by moments of stress.

As far as the characters go, other than Noomi Rapace’s Dr. Shaw and Michael Fassbender’s robotic David the rest of the cast is made up of forgettable non-entities who pretty much stand around and do nothing other than provide the occasional fodder. Charlize Theron is utterly superfluous as the requisite Company bureaucrat, Logan Marshall Green comes across as such a jerk as Dr. Holloway that you feel zero empathy for him when David decides to conduct a little experiment. Idris Elba has little to do beyond trying to get in Theron’s pants before displaying a little final act heroism. And Sean Harris and Rafe Spall (Fifield and Milburn) may well be two of the stupidest people ever put on film, leaving you to wonder who in their right mind would put these two morons on a spaceship with such an important mission.

I still think the movie is entertaining and worth a look. Visually, the film is just amazing and the 3D really works well here, adding scope and depth to the rooms and corridors beneath LV-223. I definitely plan to add it to my collection when its released on BluRay 3D, but if Ridley Scott intends to make a sequel to Blade Runner or a followup to Prometheus (the ending of the film clearly leaves open the possibility of more films) one can only hope he will get some better writers. Lindeloff’s rewrite of a Jon Spaihts draft clearly isn’t up to the task. I don’t mind an open-ended movie that encourages conversation but the story and characterizations just seemed lazy at too many points along the way.

118. Matt - June 9, 2012

Well… It sucked. :(

Now it’s time for Mike and Jay of Red Letter Media fame to carefully explain why in detail, lol.

119. dmduncan - June 9, 2012

113. Vultan – June 9, 2012

For those who have seen “Prometheus,” would you say the characters are as memorable as the ones in “Alien” or “Aliens”?

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Shaw and David certainly were. Rapace and Fassbender were awesome. And I’ll know the name of every other character after I see the movie a few more times (I probably couldn’t tell you the name of every character in Alien either after the first viewing). But they all did have their personalities.

I think Prometheus will actually acquire more depth the more I watch it as I have the opportunity to get past the stunning visuals to notice the character quirks more.

There was just so much visual stuff to take in that it really was hard to focus on everything that deserved my attention all at once. It’s a movie, so the visual aspect takes first priority in the demand for your attention, but that does not at all mean there is nothing else but visual splendor; and perhaps the attention budget we have when we first see a movie like this is somewhat responsible for some of the negative reviews, because you always come away from such a rich movie taking only part of what you saw, and it’s often the visual stuff that you remember most. I like movies that get richer the more I watch them, and Prometheus is going to be one of those movies for me.

And though I’m not a fan of 3D, I would STRONGLY recommend you see THIS movie in 3D. I felt like I was THERE.

120. Jack - June 9, 2012

One guy leaving the theater said the movie was like a really ridiculously good looking girl — with no brains or personality.

121. Whalien - June 9, 2012

Completely agree, dmduncan!!

122. MJ - June 9, 2012

@120. Did he say that to hs obese girlfiend?

123. MJ - June 9, 2012

@118 “Well… It sucked. :( ”

Great review. Were you to guy who Jack quoted?

124. Vultan - June 9, 2012

#119

Thanks for the analysis, DM.

“Why don’t you freeze him?!”
Sorry for the continuing “Alien” quotes, but I do really love that movie. :D

125. dmduncan - June 9, 2012

It’s hilarious that so many people complain about this or that character acting stupidly.

Somehow in the movies, every scientist should always act smartly and rationally and understandably — even when he is spooked and learns he is superfluous, like the hotheaded Scottish geologist.

Also, there should never be a moment where each character does not act in a way that is instantly and clearly understandable to each and every viewer.

And most of all, there should never be a moment when each character does NOT act in a manner consonant with each audience member’s expectations SIMULTANEOUSLY.

Only when such characters are completely impossible will some people find them believable.

Reading some of these comments you’d think Prometheus was crewed by a bunch of wailing-in-terror Dr. Smith’s (Lost in Space).

126. dmduncan - June 9, 2012

120. Jack – June 9, 2012

One guy leaving the theater said the movie was like a really ridiculously good looking girl — with no brains or personality.

***

And sometimes, Jack, we think a girl has no brains or personality because all WE notice are the good looks.

127. Vultan - June 9, 2012

Wow, so many chilly responses around here.

“Why don’t you freeze him?!”

:D

128. Vultan - June 9, 2012

Weird. My post at #124 didn’t appear at first. Now it’s there.
Trekmovie’s acting funny. Must be the new what’cha-ma-call-it.

129. Keachick - rose pinenut - June 9, 2012

That guy leaving the theatre was just repeating the tired old cliche that a woman can only either be a beautiful bimbo or an intelligent but ugly spinster. With this line of reasoning, women can’t possibly be beautiful and intelligent. It is always either one or the other.

On the other hand, people always tend to assume that a good looking guy is also intelligent, whereas some good looking guys could just easily be the thickest people around.

130. Red Dead Ryan - June 9, 2012

I just don’t get some of the hate towards “Prometheus”. I’m betting that some of these people were taking some of the dingbat critics’ criticisms at face value so that when they went to see the movie, they conciously or subconciously decided they hated it. Or they just hate anything that involves any of the “Star Trek” 09 writing/producing team.

The same people who said “Prometheus” sucked are the same folks who hated “John Carter”. “John Carter” will obviously go down as a financial flop for sure, but on the other hand, it will become a cult classic. “Prometheus” is an instant modern classic.

“Prometheus” for me, comes second behind the first two “Alien” films, which are tied for first. Usually second place means being the first loser, but in this case, it just shows how awesome and timeless the first two films are. So coming in second is a really big compliment to all those who worked on the movie, and the movie itself.

131. MJ - June 9, 2012

@129. Yea, based on the comment that guy made when he exited the theater, I think that pretty much confirms for me that Prometheus was way beyond his “Bubba” attitude about women. There were too very strong women in the movie, and obviously that creep was offended by it. I would expect that guy to be in the theater on opening day for “That’s My Boy” next Friday. ;-)

132. Andy Patterson - June 9, 2012

127. Vultan – June 9, 2012
Wow, so many chilly responses around here.

“Why don’t you freeze him?!”

:D
Yeah, that’s something I missed in this movie. A Yaphet Koto like presence. The interaction with that crew,…..great.

133. Red Dead Ryan - June 9, 2012

A lot of people have complained about how the characters acted “stupidly” during some of the intense scenes in “Prometheus”.

Well, I would say their behaviour was pretty natural considering everything was going to hell in a handbasket around them. They had no idea what was waiting for them, so a few of the crew were obviously over-confident and unprepared. So when the sh!t hit the fan, they were panicking, and when scared people panic, that is when mistakes get made. It happens during war. How many times do we hear or read about soldiers shooting civilians, torturing prisoners or accidentally dropping a bomb on their own comrades? People don’t always act rationally or logically, especially during dangerous and high-stress situations. Other people goof off and don’t act serious as they perhaps should during out-of-control situations.

I thought “Prometheus” was pretty realistic in depicting that part of human nature. There will always be a select few who are able to keep their composure and rise to the challenge during dangerous and potentially deadly situations just like there will be those who “fall apart” mentally, and psycologically.

None of us who haven’t been in dangerous and potentially deadly situations can possibly know how we’d react unless and/or until we face
them ourselves.

134. Sebastian S. - June 9, 2012

I think Anthony’s review pretty much nailed it.
“Prometheus” is a difficult movie to love without reservation, as it has it’s share of faults. But there is also much to chew on and it really stays in your head (or at least some of it’s raised questions do), and I think that’s kind of the point. Not to set up questions and then simply answer them perfunctorily; but to continually ask MORE questions and let it’s audience draw their own conclusions. A good movie doesn’t always have to spoon-feed it’s audience all the answers. Personally, as a fan of both “2001″ and 1972′s “Solaris”, I rather like sci fi that leaves some ambiguity to chew on later and doesn’t wrap everything up in a nice, neat bow at the end.

With “Prometheus” there are some lapses in logic and sometimes character, and overall, as a movie, it’s simply not groundbreaking like Scott’s previous “ALIEN” or “Blade Runner”. And the musical score is somewhat generic (as if it came from “Soundtracks R Us”). Some of the characters commit seriously stupid ‘standard horror movie’ mistakes, and others are drawn only in broad strokes (I felt Charlize Theron’s Vickers would be more at home in an episode of TV’s “Dynasty”). Her co-star Noomi Rapace, fares much better as the sweet and idealistic, but ultimately gutsy and resourceful heroine.

But flaws aside, this is still solid, thought-provoking science-fiction. Kind of rare for a summer movie. The visuals are gorgeous and some of the performances (especially Michael Fassbender’s David; sort of a hybrid of Data and HAL 9000) are quite interesting. The awesome beauty of the Icelandic locales are eerie and truly otherworldly. In some ways, the movie reminds me of early 1960s Soviet bloc sci fi movies, such as “Planeta Bur” or “Schweigende Stern”. Scientists arrive at an alien world, begin exploration and then general mayhem ensues. This is that basic, simple idea but taken to a much higher philosophical plane.

Those expecting a straight ALIEN prequel will most likely be disappointed. Those who are open to trying an intriguing, but admittedly flawed science fiction movie full of mystery and big questions? Then this may be more up your alley. “Prometheus” is a good movie, but it’s flaws and occasional lapses will ultimately prevent it from being a classic such as “Blade Runner” or “ALIEN” IMO.

Still very much worth a look. And frankly, I’d buy the DVD or Bluray just to watch certain scenes of it over and over again. There is much to admire in this movie, just not consistently throughout.

135. Sebastian S. - June 9, 2012

# 134

Adding one more comment to my already longwinded review; the 3D I-Max presentation was wonderful. It was dimensional but without a lot of ‘ping pong-y’ type effects. It cleanly illustrates the difference between a movie SHOT in 3D vs. a movie that has a cheap, post production 3D retrofit. The native 3D always looks better, IMO.

;-)

136. Mark Anton - June 9, 2012

I really enjoyed and admired Prometheus. It was visually stunning, and even though it didn’t provide all the answers that some people are demanding– there was enough there for me to connect the dots and come up with what I think is a reasonable explanation for what ultimately happened in this amazing and intelligent film. I’m not about to spoil the movie for anyone, so I don’t wish to elaborate further on the plot. But I will say this: 2001 is a greatly admired film. I own it myself on DVD ( It was one of the first I purchased roughly 12 years ago). A lot of this movie reminds me of 2001, although I must say that Prometheus is a lot more exciting to watch. Movies like 2001 and Prometheus– movies that really get us talking as we’re walking out of the theater– are the movies that really matter.
Thank you, Ridley Scott, Noomie Repace (very hot!), Michael Fassbender, and the rest of the film’s producers and actors for giving us a summer movie that takes us on an amazing journey that I look forward to taking again (and again).

137. MJ - June 9, 2012

@130 “The same people who said “Prometheus” sucked are the same folks who hated “John Carter”. “John Carter” will obviously go down as a financial flop for sure, but on the other hand, it will become a cult classic. “Prometheus” is an instant modern classic.”

Good point. I loved John Carter as well. John Carter is the Waterworld of today. 10 years from now, it will be appreciated much more than it is now.

138. number 3 - June 9, 2012

Haven’t seen it yet but I get the feeling that the film is a ” Very pretty,nicely wrapped package,with nothing inside”
Caption….”Who farted?”

139. Jack - June 10, 2012

I don’t get the 2001 comparisons — there’s no mystery, philosophy or profundity here. The only unanswered questions are said out loud, repeatedly by characters to set up sequels.

Fun flick though.

140. MJ - June 10, 2012

@138. Wow, thanks for sharing your “feelings” on what the movie “might” be like once you get around to “actually seeing it.” How profound! LOL

141. MJ - June 10, 2012

@139. Other then that minor point about highly advanced aliens guiding the evolution of man, yor are right — not much similarities. LOL. And you are right about their being a complete lack of mystery in the movie — everything was completely answered for us. :-))

142. CmdrR - June 10, 2012

Finally saw the movie. Why does it feel as though I’m late, when I can’t get to a film until its second day??

Yes, it’s a good movie… and very beautiful to look at. I do feel that the very last scene was tacked on uneccessarily by someone at the studio who felt we just had to see THAT. Clearly Scott wanted to ask those questions and not give us answers.

Of the weaknesses (if that’s what they are) there are two that tend to bother me. There is, as Anthony points out, the dumb redshirt moments all through the movie. The worst is towards the very end when I’m all but screaming at the movie to have the characters do an obvious physical thing so as not to get killed the hell out of. Plus, there’s Guy Pearce. Um. Yuck. Lousy “geezer” performance. Lousy make-up job. There are more than enough great actors over 80 who could have played that roll, especially since we never see Weyland as a younger man. Hey… Shat???? No, that’s silly. Or is it…??

I read a leaked draft synopsis, which I believe was never confirmed (so take that for what it’s worth) in which the audience would have been told why the Engineers wanted to kill us. It was a good plot point; very cool. I can see, though, how it would confuse a movie audience… and be more suited to a novelization. I kinda suspect the draft was genuine, because there are signs of it all through the film… including the title. (hint hint hint.) But, ambiguity works, too.

Bottom line: it’s a sequel. It does NOT have the impact of the ’79 film, but how could it? It is a good night out at the movies, imho.

143. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - June 10, 2012

Saw it today. Awesome! A worthy prequel. Scary and thought-provoking. Enough said.

144. KHAN 2.0 - June 10, 2012

@142
“I read a leaked draft synopsis, which I believe was never confirmed (so take that for what it’s worth) in which the audience would have been told why the Engineers wanted to kill us. It was a good plot point; very cool. I can see, though, how it would confuse a movie audience… and be more suited to a novelization”

so what was it then?

145. Sebastian S. - June 10, 2012

# 142

I agree that Guy Pearce’s makeup was embarrassingly bad. It looked like Dr. Soong’s ‘rubber face’ in ST-TNG’s “Brothers”. I haven’t seen an age makeup that bad in awhile. Other than the Pearce viral video that came out before the movie, I can’t understand why they couldn’t have used an octagenarian actor (ala Gloria Stuart in “Titanic”).

IMO, the movie would’ve been better served if they’d simply dropped the Weyland subplot. The film had enough going for it without the need for that particular bit of unnecessary business.

146. KHAN 2.0 - June 10, 2012

maybe they had Peacre to make the audience think there was a chance weyland might be rejuvinated/deaged when he went to see ‘god’ (but instead recieved a thorough beatdown! )

147. CmdrR - June 10, 2012

Khan — So, here are the spoilers for the film that was never quite made. Enjoy, or not…

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/52100

148. KHAN 2.0 - June 10, 2012

@147 thanks!

that was pretty trippy – almost an altogether different movie, even more like Planet of the Titans with the time travel and ending up responsible for mankind

masybe some of that will end up being the basis for a sequel? (if so i just spoiled it for myself in 2 or 3 years!)

149. CmdrR - June 10, 2012

KHAN – Oh yes… SPOILER ALERT 2014!

I also wonder if they locked on the idea of casting Guy Pearce with an idea of showing him sans fogie-puddy. Maybe in the sequel, we get younger Weylan.
Actually… I’ll be waiting to see how the weekend box office totals up before I guess on whether they’ll sequelize this story strand, or wait 5 years and let the then-hot new producer re-imagine the ’79 flick.

150. KHAN 2.0 - June 10, 2012

149

opening wkend = 50m. total so far ww = 141m

it should end up doing roughly Star Trek numbers when total (350-400m). if so should be good for a sequel as wasnt a huge budget (120-130m) plus was R rated.

only problems i can see that would possibly endanger sequel from happening would be the rather mixed reactions to Prometheus, if it ‘only’ makes about 300m, and if R Scott even wants to do another SF film after Blade Runner 2 (and if that is a hit too)

Maybe GP will show up as an android in Prometheus 2? or a flashback. whatever happens i really hope they dont leave it 4 years for a sequel (like Trek)…2 years would be best, but then Scott issupposed to be doing Blade Runner 2 for 2014 so maybe it’ll end up being 3 : (

151. Thorny - June 10, 2012

Khan… we’ll have to see how Prometheus does in the next couple of weeks. I think word of mouth is mediocre at best, but on the other hand there is nothing big coming out next week (Tom Cruise’s “Rock of Ages” and another horrible-looking Adam Sandler comedy) so it might hold up. If it loses 60%+, I think the chances of Prometheus 2 will be poor.

152. TomBot3000 - June 10, 2012

A movie worthy of seeing, if not being lauded…

Perhaps there are layers that Ridley has put in there, but to the average moviegoer, the rudimentary skeleton of images lends itlself to an Alien redux, prequel, homage, whatever. If it was not his intention to telegraph this, many visual cues could have been altered substantially to allay that misinterpetation- different ship design for Engineers, etc. Even the reveal of the proto-xeno, if still incorporated could have been done more artfully, less comically.
Finally, although it might fit with Ridley’s “plans” for Prometheus that the Engineers resemble “Hugh”man’s so much, it was definitely one of the most underwhelming aspects. The last Engineer reminded me so much like a roid raging Hugh-borg from Star Trek Next Gen that it was also comical.
I have really enjoyed reading responses of the film, here and elsewhere. I’m glad it was made, but to say that I wasn’t disappointed would be ultimately ignoring my gut and cerebral reaction to it.

153. dmduncan - June 10, 2012

This marks the first time since 2009 when Star Trek came out that I saw the same movie twice in two days, this time in 2D — so I didn’t feel distracted from the things I needed to think about in the movie by all the amazing visual stuff that just jumped out at me in 3D the first time. And this time too, my eyes actually watered up during a couple of scenes, i.e., where Shaw talks about having children and where Holloway tells Vickers to “do it.”

Idris Elba’s performance as captain Janek also stood out more as outstanding, and I felt a tremendous rush of old gung-ho spirit when he, Chance, and Ravel, hating the options, still decided to do the right thing at the end.

I was also touched by Shaw’s tenderness toward David despite all he had done, and what she surely suspected him of doing. I really felt the sort of desperation of the moment through her that forces people to put aside their differences, and which quickly matured her. She didn’t behave simplistically, and that was true of most of the characters — including Millburn and Fifield — each of whom was a different person and whose differences contributed to the sense of reality I got from watching Prometheus.

So much of the extraordinary visual stuff pushed the deeper elements out of the , I needed a second viewing to pay more attention to the non visual aspects of the film, and yes, they are there.

David, a machine, and simultaneously in the role of Pinnochio and Mephistopheles, symbolically takes Shaw’s faith away from her with her crucifix, and she gets it back from David after discovering how disappointing her creators really are, a thing which David does not really understand, even though he points out in an earlier scene how disappointing humans would be to him as his creator, if only he could experience disappointment.

There are a lot of interesting ideas touched upon here for people to explore if they want to. The film doesn’t take us down any particular path of philosophical discussion, but it certainly points out where the paths are if we should be interested in venturing out on them later on.

The fact that the humans looking for God are not at the top of the food chain in this monster movie, doesn’t mean that it’s a simplistic monster movie. The monsters here are brute force creatures trying to stay alive, which puts them in the category of many human beings. But there is also a contrast between them and those humans who want more than survival — they want answers too.

But life also has to start somewhere, and the philosophical seekers are what life becomes after a long time of little else but killing, eating, sleeping, and multiplying through eons of evolution, when we awake to the fact that those things are just not enough for us anymore, and that if that IS all there was, ever, then life would lose much of its importance and meaning.

Two viewings and the movie is still a home run.

154. Robman007 - June 10, 2012

I’m reserving judgement until a sequel is made and we get some answers for many of the questions the film brought up. Way too many unresolved plot points. Some scenes felt tacked on and served little purpose.

The trailers gave away too much as well. Still, was mildy fun to watch and brought up some interesting ideas.

155. MJ - June 10, 2012

@153. I am going to go see it again next weekend in 2D myself.

156. Whalien - June 10, 2012

Same here, #155!! It’s worth seeing over again for sure!!

A great movie…flaws and all!!!

157. Horatio - June 10, 2012

*Spoiler contained*

Prometheus is light years better than Alien 3 and 4 combined. Those two films don’t count as far as i’m concerned. I try to strike them from my memory.

Any film can be picked apart, Prometheus included. My only major gripe – if I can even call it that – is that in my opinion Charlize Theron’s character was mostly pointless and irrevelant. The plot and story could have progressed the same without her. That she ended up being Weyland’s daughter was set up as some kind of big revelation but I still don’t get the point. I will admit that for awhile I thought she would end up being the token Ripley heroine in the film but that just reduces her character to being an elaborate Mcguffin.

Michael Fassbender’s David was great. I loved the tip to 2001. His vocal intonations were pretty much spot on as Hal’s. If Hal were a biped he’d be David.

What I really appreciated about the film was how it took on the science vs religion debate without characterizing persons of faith as Jerry Falwell/Ernest Angley fanatics. In some ways the film evokes themes from Star Trek The Motion Picture and Star Trek The Final Frontier and the search for meaning and a creator. Both Shaw and David’s characters (Spock and V’ger anyone?) looking for their creator and answers to the reason for existence.

I fully recommend the film,

158. Hugh Hoyland - June 10, 2012

dmduncan and MJ I will be going again sometime this week. I was thinking in 2D myself. I havent made up my mind yet.

159. dmduncan - June 10, 2012

153 “So much of the extraordinary visual stuff pushed the deeper elements out of the ,”

Out of the way. That should have read “out of the way.” My bad.

160. Keachick - rose pinenut - June 10, 2012

“What I really appreciated about the film was how it took on the science vs religion debate without characterizing persons of faith as Jerry Falwell/Ernest Angley fanatics.”

That is good to read. I am actually a bit sick of the House’s of this world (referring to the recent episode of House) and their cynical mockery of people (not that the Jerry Falwell types don’t deserve a little of it) who have some kind of faith or belief system that goes beyond the mere material.

161. Bob Mack - June 10, 2012

There’s a lot to like in Prometheus. Several strong characters, very good acting from much of the cast and an intriguing story. However, the movie suffers from many characters making stupid or even ridiculous decisions repeatedly throughout the film, making this film seem more like 2001 meets Animal House than anything else.

Take my helmet off on an alien ship for no reason? Why not?

Let’s play with the alien creature that looks like a cobra. It’s cute!

Looks like I have been infected by some alien disease. I figure I’ll keep that quiet and it will probably go away. Then again, I kinda wish I hadn’t taken my helmet off back on the alien ship…

162. sad mad why did I BOTHER - June 10, 2012

Saw it Saturday in 3d what a complete letdown if I didn’t know better I would have said Ridley Scott had nothing to do with? Take away all the bling (the film sets & 3d) and all you have is a B movie Treky fans will love it but a real Alien fan will hate it. I would go on to say its worse than Alien 3 and for entertainment value AVP is streets ahead
I dont want to go on but for me a big disappiontment.

163. Spoctor McKirk - June 10, 2012

I try to read everyone’s comments in these threads, and I always come away shaking my head. There’s inevitably someone bitching about the relevance of the article to the Trek universe. This site cannot be everything to all. Read the headline…if it doesn’t interest you then DON’T READ IT. It’s not like it’s bumping another Trek related story. I don’t read every article but I also don’t post comments whining about it. Anthony…you have the patience of a saint.

As for Prometheus, I enjoyed it. A visual treat with a less than stellar script. Not amazing and not crap. I will buy it on blu-ray.

164. Whalien - June 11, 2012

#162 — Don’t speak for “real” ALIEN fans.

I *AM* a real ALIEN fan and I LOVED Prometheus!!! It’s a great Ridley Scott film…

165. Trek.1211@yahoo.com - June 11, 2012

Not a good movie, what a let down…..

166. sad mad why did I BOTHER - June 11, 2012

If you can’t see the good and the bad in those two movies you must be a teenager? I should stick to your xbox.

167. Horatio - June 11, 2012

# 162 “…Treky fans will love it but a real Alien fan will hate it.”

That statement was just a bit pretentious don’t you think?

168. Jai - June 11, 2012

3D Prometheus was released here in Britain more than a week ago. I saw it last week and posted a few thoughts on another Trekmovie thread.

Here are a few more spoiler-free musings. I’d planned on including links to some new interviews and reviews too, but I’ll hold off because I don’t want to spoil the fun for those of you who haven’t seen the movie yet. Here goes:

The movie is visually stunning, especially the space-set scenes. Been a while since we’ve seen anything like that on the big screen. Try to see the movie on the biggest screen you can find.

Usually I think 3D is an unnecessary cinematic gimmick, but it’s worth seeing the 3D version of Prometheus. It’s handled very well and it does enhance your viewing experience of the movie.

Make sure you read everything on the “Weyland Industries” website, otherwise it’s difficult to figure out the reasons that Weyland has become such a revered man with huge influence on human civilisation, the broader context of the story, and the extent of human expansion into deep space. I thought a lot of that material (including the TED conference viral video) should have been included in the actual movie (Special Extended Director’s Cut DVD, anyone ?)

It’s best if you think of the movie as basically “Prometheus Begins”. A lot of questions you may have in mind are answered in the movie, but a hell of a lot more aren’t, since they’re obviously topics for the sequels. Very recent interviews of some of the key writers have confirmed that the Prometheus saga is going to be a trilogy, which was the plan all along.

The movie has its shocking moments but it wasn’t actually anywhere near as gory as I’d expected. Or maybe I’ve just become immune due to all those years of CSI and House, which have had far gorier stuff ;)

I found myself grinning during some of the exploration scenes, especially when things started going wrong, because the sci-fi fan in me kept thinking “Well, these irresponsible folks obviously aren’t up to Starfleet standards of protocol and common sense when it comes to space exploration or first contact”.

I found myself grinning even more when I started thinking “Heck, they’re not even up to Stargate-SG1 standards”. I kept imagining Jack O’Neill standing in those caves and making sarcastic wisecracks as the Prometheus crew ignored the blindingly obvious need for an accompanying military escort or at least some guns “just in case the aliens aren’t friendly”.

There are some very clever clues about the reasons the Engineers are so hostile towards humans. You can figure it out if you pay attention to the age of the ruins and what was happening on Earth at that time. Ridley Scott has confirmed it in one of his most recent interviews. Controversial stuff. There are a couple of other really major (and with hindsight, really obvious) clues in the movie too, but I can’t even indirectly mention it here because it would spoil it for people who haven’t seen Prometheus yet.

Okay, one subtle hint. Apart from a cryptic “You know those things you notice in the movie but aren’t sure if it’s just a coincidence ? It’s not actually a coincidence”, all I’ll say is it adds another twist to the story by implying that, from one perspective, the Engineers’ hostility is actually justified. For us BSG fans (the Ron Moore version), it reminds me of Adama’s speech at the very start of the series when he rhetorically asked if humanity even deserves to survive.

The sequels should be very interesting…

169. MJ - June 11, 2012

@162 “Treky fans will love it but a real Alien fan will hate it.”

WTF?

170. Red Dead Ryan - June 11, 2012

#162.

The fact that you rank “Alien 3″ and “Alien Versus Predator” ahead of “Prometheus” automatically debunks every ridiculous thing you said and leaves you with absolutely no credibility.

171. Cygnus-X1 - June 11, 2012

The unambiguous opinion of my friends is that Prometheus sucks.

Like really sucks.

172. rogue_alice - June 11, 2012

My caption:

“Dude, they have to be here. I had them over by the big face statue. I must have dropped them in this eerie mist. Keep looking. They have to be here.”

173. Sebastian S. - June 11, 2012

# 171

You shouldn’t rely solely on other opinions.
You should see it for yourself; I think every science fiction fan should. It’s really a difficult movie to quantify.

I plan on seeing it again myself soon. I’m still not sure how I feel about it really, but it kind of begs for repeated viewings, IMO….

174. Azrael - June 11, 2012

I find it funny that when some people (not so much here) were convinced that Prometheus would be a great film they were praising Ridley Scott. Then some of those same people saw the movie and decided it sucked because of Damon Lindeloff. It is utterly ridiculous to blame one member of the production team and not others, IF the movie sucks it is Ridley, Damon and everyone else’s fault all together, not one of them or two or anything else. IF the movie is great then they all deserve the credit equally. Myself I don’t plan to see it at all, I have no interest whatsoever, never really did.

175. MJ - June 11, 2012

@174. Yea, it seems to be such an ASTONISHING COINCIDENCE that some of the usual folks here who hate Trek 2009 just all of a sudden started to blame Lindelof for what they claimed (falsely — the movie is great) was a poor Prometheus movie.

The operative term here is: HIDDEN AGENDA

176. MJ - June 11, 2012

@171. Perhaps it’s time to get some new friends? ;-0

177. MJ - June 11, 2012

@162 “Saw it Saturday in 3d what a complete letdown if I didn’t know better I would have said Ridley Scott had nothing to do with?”

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178. Vultan - June 11, 2012

#173

So, it’s “Lost” in space? ;)

179. MJ - June 11, 2012

All. think about it. Billionaire Elon Musk (Space X) could be Weyland ! Musk will be 120 years old in 2091.

Musk recently said Space X wants to put people on Mars within 20 years, and his boosters are about to take over the international market for launches given their operations are just so much more efficient than anyone else’ s, even China’s.

180. dmduncan - June 11, 2012

168: “I kept imagining Jack O’Neill standing in those caves and making sarcastic wisecracks as the Prometheus crew ignored the blindingly obvious need for an accompanying military escort or at least some guns “just in case the aliens aren’t friendly’.”

Well they did have guns, and security men to carry them. I’m paraphrasing the scene from memory, but it went something like this:

“This is a scientific expedition,” Shaw says. “No guns.”

“Good luck with that,” the security guy says. I think his name was Jackson, but I’m not sure.

But it turns out they didn’t need weapons at that point even though they went in carrying them. What they really needed was not to TOUCH anything. Then things changed overnight when Fifield and Millburn got separated from the rest. Those two weren’t carrying guns because they were scientists, and their protective security escort had disappeared at that point.

Then, guns came out again after Fifield appeared outside Prometheus. So they did go in armed — with flamethrowers, shotguns, and personnel to use them.

181. Vultan - June 11, 2012

#179

But there is a difference.
Musk hires competent people. ;)

Come to think of it, why didn’t Weyland just send a whole team of Davids? Hmm, by that logic, why didn’t the company send a team of Ashs?
Guinea pigs needed, I guess.

182. MJ - June 11, 2012

@181. Well obviously he was well over 100, senile and possessed about this idea of living forever. They guy was nuts — that was evident in the movie. You have seen it, right?

183. Sebastian S. - June 11, 2012

# 178

Vultan~

LOL. Touche, my friend…. ;-D

# 181

And Davids were probably a lot more expensive to make than humans (who are far simpler and cheaper to replicate…. ;-D ). My guess is that the company can only afford one artificial person per mission (all the money went into Prometheus itself, I’d imagine).

184. Vultan - June 11, 2012

#182

Nope. Waiting for the DVD or TV showing. After reading the plot, I didn’t find it very encouraging. Seemed like a lot of stuff I’ve already seen. Magic black goo (X-Files) and the geezer seeking ancient alien ruins with a team of scientist red shirts (AVP). Been there, done that, got my ten bucks.

But hey, if that’s your thing, live and let live.
I like watching reruns once in awhile, too. ;)

185. Enterprisingguy - June 11, 2012

175. MJ – June 11, 2012

@174. Yea, it seems to be such an ASTONISHING COINCIDENCE that some of the usual folks here who hate Trek 2009 just all of a sudden started to blame Lindelof for what they claimed (falsely — the movie is great) was a poor Prometheus movie.

The operative term here is: HIDDEN AGENDA
—————————

Did it ever occur to you that some people have no confidence in DM because of his craptastic contributions to LOST?

Perhaps you should stop lording over people and browbeating them because they don’t share your opinions.

186. Vultan - June 11, 2012

I do like this “he was just nuts” reasoning that gets thrown around quite a bit these days when a character does something that defies logic. Why did Nero do that? Oh, he was nuts—crazy, man, just crazy! Well, why did Weyland do that? He was old! He was crazy!

Ah, that explains it.

Hollywood Lesson: Got a hole in your story? Put a crazy man or an old man in it and you’re good to go. (Crazy old men are even better.)

187. MJ - June 11, 2012

“Did it ever occur to you that some people have no confidence in DM because of his craptastic contributions to LOST?”

No, that did not occur to me, so I think I will continue with my lording gig (but will leave the browbeating to you). :-)) Seriously, Lost did not end well, but it was still 5.5 great tv seasons that I will forever be thankful for.

BTW, thanks for showing another reason why people are out to get DL that does not related directly to Prometheus.

So I will expand my earlier post to encompass disgruntled Lost fans as well as people who did not like Trek 2009.

Thanks for assisting me in this correction.

188. Azrael - June 11, 2012

@185. Obviously you didn’t understand the point I made that MJ was responding to, your response is totally ironically stupid by comparison…

189. dmduncan - June 11, 2012

181: “Come to think of it, why didn’t Weyland just send a whole team of Davids? Hmm, by that logic, why didn’t the company send a team of Ashs?”

We don’t know how abundant Davids are. He referred to the single one in the film as the closest thing to a son he will ever have. They could be a high tech novelty at this point. David could be the only robot David in existence. Or, if they do exist in numbers, it could be just cheaper to risk humans than robots at that point.

They are probably more expensive than iPhones.

And we already know why Shaw and Holloway were on board.

Incidentally, the film is not stupid. David wears a spacesuit and a helmet on the planet, even though he does not breathe air. He is asked about that in the movie by Holloway. And he gives a thought provoking answer to the question.

190. MJ - June 11, 2012

@186. No point in responding to you since you haven’t bothered to even see it.

Thanks for the time-savings! I’m reserving my posts on Prometheus to people who have actually seen it versus pulling opinions our of their butts and/or taking ownership of others’ opinions on it.

191. Vultan - June 11, 2012

#190

Thanks. I’ve been looking forward to the day when you wouldn’t respond to my comments. It’s a joy now.

But let’s pretend that in my previous comment I was playing the role of a crazy old man. Therefore all my points are valid no matter what. ;)

192. MJ - June 11, 2012

@189. DM, save your time, he’s reading cliff notes summaries and cutting and pasting others’ opinions on the movie. Not sure why he has posted 14 times now on this board without even seeing the movie, but I guess he must have some reasons for that?

I’ve been guilty myself of saying provocative things on this site from time to time to try to get reactions out of people on this site. So I won’t be a hypocrite and be too hard on Vultan for this.

193. MJ - June 11, 2012

@191. Touche! :-)

194. Vultan - June 11, 2012

#192

Yeah, it is fun throwing rocks at the bears once in awhile. Better skedaddle before the zookeeper shows up. :D

195. Azrael - June 11, 2012

@186. So are you contending that crazy people have understandable motivations? If so would you mind telling me what my uncles best friend from Vietnam was after when he set my parents house on fire? The only reason we ever figured out was that he was completely fracking bats–t crazy.

196. Vultan - June 11, 2012

#195

No, not at all. I was pointing out that a lot of movies take the easy route of writing off a character’s motivations as being “just crazy.” Whereas, you have a movie like “Psycho” that goes into the psychology of why Norman does what he does. But then that’s most of the movie, and it’s Hitchcock, so it’s unfair to compare it to a summer popcorn flick.

Anyway, still, I think they could spend a little more time in explaining why people do what they do, particularly if it’s a main character. But hey, that’s me. That’s what I find interesting.

197. dmduncan - June 11, 2012

I didn’t see any plot holes in Prometheus, to tell you the truth. If you wanted to say it was a plot hole to NOT send all robots, well that is a criticism that could apply to just about any space based science fiction movie, really, including Moon.

Prometheus made more sense to me than Moon did, actually. The sophisticated response David gave as to why he wears a helmet also tells us that this movie is dealing with psychological realities and motivations, which may not always seem logical to others. It didn’t, for example, make any sense to Holloway that David should wear a helmet, but David still wore it and he even explained why he wore it. Right there is enough evidence that Prometheus is not operating on a simplistic psychological level.

And just as David made Holloway seem provincial in this thinking by failing to account for any explicable reason why he should wear a helmet when he did not breath air (which reason was really a reflection of Weyland’s thinking), so do we risk the same provincialism by saying this thing or that is a plot hole when we just don’t know why it was done that way.

Regarding Moon: Why have ONE MAN to do mining work on the moon versus having an entirely automated base? It was possible to build all that but you still needed ONE guy and a hidden “six pack” of clones to replace him, one at a time, for the base to function? Along with all the exhausting deception it took to make sure he didn’t find out the truth?

So, I mean, if you could accept Moon, Prometheus should be a breeze.

A real plot hole, to me, is a contradiction. It’s something that CAN’T be possible given something else that happens in the film.

There was nothing like that in Prometheus, as far as I know.

198. Vultan - June 11, 2012

#197

Thanks for the well-written post, DM. Good points on Moon, too.

Actually, there still is a part of me that wants to see this, if only for Scott’s impressive art direction (something you always get no matter how bad the script, acting, etc. may be in his movies), but for financial reasons I’m keeping the ole visegrips on the wallet right now and being extra choosy about which movies I see. Hence the questions… and snarky comments (maybe I’m trying to convince myself NOT to see it).

Hey, I haven’t even seen The Avengers yet! Crazy, I know.

199. Azrael - June 11, 2012

@196. Fair enough, sorry if I came off a bit snappy before,

200. Sebastian S. - June 11, 2012

# 197

dmduncan~

“Why have ONE MAN to do mining work on the moon versus having an entirely automated base?”
____________________

The reason (IMO) that they didn’t staff the moonbase in “Moon” with robots or automatons? Because there were too many things that humans have an easier time of doing (digging, plugging holes, walking outside, etc). If you remember the movie, there artificial intelligence Gertie (voiced by Kevin Spacey) was sophisticated, but also very limited in both it’s movement (overhead rails and monitor screens) and flexibility (it wasn’t designed to go outside and do the rough stuff that humans do with relative ease).

And just because that movie’s evil ‘company’ could clone people, it doesn’t necessarily follow that they were anywhere near capable of making a “David” or an “Ash”. A humanoid robot is still VERY far off. The current most-sophisticated robot, Asimo is a slow, arthritic, plodding dummy by comparison…

Also, lunar dust is very abrasive and clinging (without weather to round it out, it becomes sharp and pervasive); any robots working without some human supervision would likely run into trouble very soon.

201. Whalien - June 11, 2012

Ya know…if all the fartknockers picking Prometheus apart had spent just as much time picking apart Trek 09, and all the Transformers movies…all the other crap that has come out in the last couple of decades…we might have something! But some people act like they have some kind of VENDETTA against this film…i’d just like to know WHY!!

It’s better than those AvP films, Alien Resurrection and Alien 3. That’s all I asked of it…and it accomplished that.

202. Vultan - June 11, 2012

#199

No problem.

#201

“It’s better than those AvP films, Alien Resurrection and Alien 3.”

I’m sure you’re right about that, but… you know… that’s not exactly a high level of excellence those movies set. Just saying.

The Alien franchise had fallen so far I guess we could only go up at this point. Here’s hoping the sequel continues the trajectory….

203. dmduncan - June 11, 2012

200. Sebastian S. – June 11, 2012

My purpose wasn’t to trash Moon but to illustrate a point, i.e., that with a little effort you could come up with answers to questions like that which satisfy you and eliminate for you what may have at first appeared to be “plot holes.”

The same goes for Prometheus.

In Moon, the guy was basically a handyman and gofer, which was okay, though I still DO have trouble with the clone premise. If you can grow human clones with adult memories, build a beautiful moonbase with automated harvesters, and harvest helium3 for fusion back on earth, then you can do a lot more than we can do today.

It should be possible to rotate handymen every couple of years.

204. MJ - June 11, 2012

@196 “No, not at all. I was pointing out that a lot of movies take the easy route of writing off a character’s motivations as being “just crazy.” “:

Again, if you BOTHERED TO SEE THE MOVIE, you would see that Weyland’s craziness focuses on the super-obsession of continuing his life beyond all reason — plenty of motivation, while also being senile and starting to lose his marbles. But then again, YOU DIDN’T SEE the movie…

While you are at at, please provide us your review of The Avengers? I’d love to your review on that movie that you did not see as well? Maybe you should start a website: movieREVIEWSofMOVIESiHAVEnotSEEN.com.

LOL

205. dmduncan - June 11, 2012

198: “for financial reasons I’m keeping the ole visegrips on the wallet right now and being extra choosy about which movies I see.”

I’m sorry to hear about your tight finances, Vultan, and I certainly know how that feels. Maybe now is a good time for you to mention something to your boss about the bonus situation.

:-)

206. dmduncan - June 11, 2012

I’ve been feeling a lot like David for the past 3 days, right down to the stupid smiley face I just posted!

207. MJ - June 11, 2012

@205. Oh yea, sorry Vultan about that…kind of sucks if that is the reason you can’t see the movie. Good luck with the job, etc.

208. Vultan - June 11, 2012

#205

Good one, DM! The bonus situation is the most important thing.
Thanks for the witty reply. I appreciate it.

Catch ya on the next discussion…

209. Azrael - June 11, 2012

@ Vultan, re: The Avengers,

Since you mentioned you haven’t seen it I have to tell you it is easily the absolute best work of Joss Whedon’s career. Bear in mind that I love Firefly/Serenity, and the original Buffy (yeah I said original, not TV series). The Avengers is so far beyond anything Whedon has ever done before it is simply spectacular, and the Hulk has an amazingly effective and funny method of reviving his comrades, (and some of the funniest scenes in the whole movie). When you can I highly recommend watching it.

210. Vultan - June 11, 2012

#209

Thanks, Azrael. That is one I definitely plan on seeing sometime. I think the only thing that stopped me (besides being tight on money right now) was my not being all that crazy about the “team-up” comics. I was always more of a stand-alone superhero kind of guy [insert Seinfeld joke about Justice League]. But the movie does sound like a lot of fun.

Thanks again.

211. Keachick - rose pinenut - June 11, 2012

S’posed to see Prometheus today, but car needs a new clutch etc. Boy, are they expensive!!! It is the car we teach our 19 year old son to drive in. I was wondering when the 12 year old clutch was going to buy it – learner drivers have a reputation of being especially hard on the clutch…:) – he is improving, doing very well actually…but, oh dear – I can hear Scotty cry “my poor wee bairns”

We thought it better for him to learn on a 5-speed manual, so we have kept the oldie, but goodie 1996 manual car – wouldn’t get much for it if we sold it anyway, despite the fact that it goes just fine ordinarily. We’ve been all over the North Island in that car, no problem at all. Son wants to drive Dad down to Wellington in the car, come July…hmmm

I’ve not seen the Avengers either – looks a little over-the-top. Eventually we’ll see these films when they are released (for hire) on DVD anyway, so I’m not too worried, just frustrated that I can’t weigh in with my opinion, because I have nothing to comment on.

One interesting aspect is a comment made by a poster on the other thread about Chris Pine was Damon Lindelof’s inability to write ‘nuanced’ characters, which contradicted Chris Pine’s comments. I have found some Chris Pine’s performances (for some reason, Carriers comes to mind here first) can be very nuanced/subtle, which makes me think that he is sensitive to nuanced writing of characters, if you get my meaning.

Sorry – a bit tired as well as cash-strapped. Probably, just as well I didn’t get to see Prometheus today as I had hoped…:( There’s always next Tuesday – fingers crossed.

212. Sebastian S. - June 11, 2012

# 203

dmduncan~

No sweat. ;-)
I didn’t take or read your post as trashing “Moon”, either. Those were very legitimate questions. There is nothing wrong with examining the logic of a movie. If some call it ‘nit-picking’? So be it; I call it examination.

Same with “Prometheus”.
I had a rather complicated reaction to it. My feelings about it walked the fine line between disappointment and admiration. I responded very much to the visuals and the ideas presented, but I had issues with some other aspects of it. Nevertheless, I found it to be an intriguing and beautifully made (if ultimately flawed) movie.

213. Khan was Framed! - June 11, 2012

This movie is insanely good.

I criticize everything, but this one is a ten.

It’s like a TOS episode gone bananas, with amazing effects.

I have a lot of questions though.

But I am hoping Blade Runner 2 answers some of them.

214. Red Dead Ryan - June 11, 2012

I figure that around 85% of those with a negative opinion of “Prometheus” hated it a) Because Damon Lindelof, a member of the “Star Trek” writing team was part of it, b) They don’t like watching movies where it requires some thinking on their part, and c) They hate the movie solely on the basis of others (who may or may not have even seen the movie themselves) saying how much it sucked.

So really, only 15% of those who saw “Prometheus” actually have legitimate reasons, ie, it wasn’t their cup of tea. The rest are folks with petty excuses which were pulled out of their asses.

So, with all that said, I have to think the Rotten Tomatoes positive rating, which (technically) currently stands at 74%, should really be at 85%, at the very least.

215. MJ - June 11, 2012

@214. And don’t forget the sizable minority of charletins here who have been commenting negatively on the movie when they haven’t even bothered to see it. LOL — give me a break!

216. MJ - June 11, 2012

BTW, on IMDB, Prometheus currently ranks at 7.8, which is above The Wrath of Khan (7.7). Food for thought!!!

217. Red Dead Ryan - June 11, 2012

#214.

I sort of mentioned that, though not specifically. But thanks! Funny how you and I are able to cut through the bullsh!t on this site!

P.S., You’re probably not a hockey fan, but congratulations on your Kings winning the Stanley Cup! Go to the parade and party! :-)

218. MJ - June 11, 2012

Not a big hockey fan, but the Kings have definitely got everybody excited. Makes up for the Lakers getting too old. Thanks RDR

219. Red Dead Ryan - June 11, 2012

#218.

Yeah, I noticed it was the top story on KTLA News@Ten. I get KTLA with my digital package.

220. Jack - June 11, 2012

When did this site tun into Red Dead Ryan and MJ’s Morning Drive…

221. Red Dead Ryan - June 11, 2012

#220.

“When did this site tun into Red Dead Ryan and MJ’s Morning Drive…”

…..at the very moment when both of us read a bunch of nonsense being posted here….

222. KHAN 2.0 - June 12, 2012

Prometheus as an R rated TNG film – set in an alternate 24th century universe where Starfleet is less advanced more Company like/hadnt yet discovered other life, characters had different jobs/fates

David – Data
Shaw – Troi
Holloway – Riker
Vickers – Yar
Janek – Picard
Weyland – Dr Soong
Millburn – La Forge
Fifield – Worf
Ford – Dr Crusher

223. PaulB - June 12, 2012

#214 – Wow, what a bunch of generalized nonsense! Some of us disliked Prometheus because we dislike movies in which stupid people do stupid things just to make action scenes happen.

A couple of you seem determined to belittle everyone who disliked the movie. Why not just accept that many of us don’t like stupid movies?

Okay, yes, David explaining about his use of the helmet was nice. Much of David’s character was awesome, definitely the most intriguing part of the movie. But…so what? We get a big explanation of why an android would wear a helmet when it’s pretty obvious to anyone whose read or seen a lot of SF. It’s not a big leap at all, but they stop the movie to explain it to us. (Yes, it was obvious to a lot of us. The moment Holloway asked David why, I had the answer in my head.)

The complaints are not all about the plot holes. The plot isn’t riddled through with holes as so many people say; it’s just stupid and predictable to an unbelievable degree. And really, what’s the plot here? A team of scientists under the almost-direct supervision of Weyland goes to a distant planet, where they run around like idiotic children making EVERY MOVIE CLICHE/STUPID MISTAKE IN THE BOOK. Seriously, nobody in this movie acts intelligent for more than 5 seconds at a time. They leap into action, they assume things, they don’t show any intelligence. (Heck, if I were the jockeys and saw these people as examples of what we’d made, I’d wipe ‘em out, too!)

The final moments are so laughable that they look like an outtake from Alien Resurrection. Seriously, that last minute was like a bad joke, an outtake that was pasted on in a fan edit.

The movie shows no signs of being directed by a “great” director. It looks, feels, moves, and sounds just like any other big SF movie out there.

Prometheus was a long, predictable, dumb slog through too-familiar territory, all for no real payoff. Basically, instead of giving us any answers to the Jockey from Alien, they really just pushed the answers back to the inevitable-and-oh-so-bluntly-set-up sequel. Prometheus felt like a placeholder movie, and that’s all: No real outcomes, just a bunch of generic people dying generically (and in a couple of cases, deserving Darwin Awards for how they die), and some great visuals.

I love when a movie overestimates the audience’s intelligence and assumes they can catch up. That’s not what’s going on here. Prometheus is a dumb movie made by an excellent director and at least one writer with a decent track record, both of whom relied on their reputations and on the Alien legacy to make people see their dumb movie.

Then again, I didn’t drink the Inception Kool-Aid either–another overrated, under-intelligent, pseudo-smart SF movie for people who’ve never read an actual SF novel in their lives.

See? I can make insulting generalizations, too!

224. PaulB - June 12, 2012

Thematically, Prometheus was just a retread of the old 80s song “Who’s Behind the Door?” by a band named Zebra. That song is about traveling to find answers, searching for the meaning of life, aliens in space watching over us as “animals in preserve,” but in the end even the aliens don’t know “who’s behind the door.”

Yep, this “great” Scott/Lindelof creation that RDR and MJ are insulting people for not liking is EXACTLY as deep and meaningful as a cheesy 80s rock song. Go read the lyrics! The last verse is about “where do we go from here” and “faith is fading fear” and….

Seriously, folks, there’s no depth to Prometheus. Listen to the 80s song and save yourselves the hassle of going to the theater.

225. Jai - June 12, 2012

DMDuncan, re: #180:

I know all that ;) The point I was making wasn’t that the Prometheus expedition had no weapons or military escorts at all, but that the team’s leaders suicidally decided to abandon those weapons and escorts at a couple of critical moments when exploring the ruins. I guess some scientists wouldn’t necessarily be expected to think from that kind of “military” perspective, but it was still very irresponsible and showed a serious lack of common sense. Some of the other team members did some very stupid things too.

It also contrasts with the behaviour of Starfleet or Stargate-SG1 personnel in similar situations, but you could put that down to them having formal military training, unlike most of the Prometheus team.

I’m deliberately trying not to say too much here because it will ruin it for people who haven’t yet seen the movie. There were a couple of major plot holes too, but I guess I really shouldn’t mention those (yet) either.

But, more positively — like I said in my earlier comment, the movie also included some very clever clues about the reasons the Engineers want to kill humans. It’s going to be expanded in the sequels, but there are repeated hints throughout Prometheus. Ridley Scott has recently confirmed it too. It’s brilliantly done, and I was laughing when I found out I’d connected the right dots, although many people obviously haven’t figured it out (including most professional critics and whoever wrote the Wikipedia page for the movie). Ridley Scott deserves a round of applause for this. Talk about hiding something in plain sight.

226. Jai - June 12, 2012

Oh yeah, about Peter Weyland, David, and the Prometheus mission. Weyland’s motivations are much clearer if you read everything on the “timeline” section of the Weyland Industries website, because it’s full of information about Weyland’s achievements that give you much more insight into his personality.

The website has a lot of information on the development of the David android model and its huge impact on human society too.

Plus a lot of details on the background, cost and development of everything leading up to the Prometheus mission; far more than is mentioned in the actual movie.

227. PaulB - June 12, 2012

#225 “Ridley Scott deserves a round of applause for this. Talk about hiding something in plain sight.”

There’s a big difference between “hidden in plain sight” and “bloody obvious.” For example, the twists at the end of Sixth Sense and The Usual Suspects are examples of “hidden in plain sight.”

But Prometheus is just obvious, especially the “brilliantly done” reason why the Engineers want to kill us. It’s not hidden at all, it’s spelled out for us.

Then again, I never understood how some people were surprised that Darth Siddious, Palpatine, and the Emperor were all the same person. That’s another case of something painfully obvious, not hidden in plain sight.

228. sad mad why did I BOTHER - June 12, 2012

BTW, on IMDB, Prometheus currently ranks at 7.8, which is above The Wrath of Khan (7.7). Food for thought!!!
Like I said Treky fans will love it

229. sad mad why did I BOTHER - June 12, 2012

Hey MJ

230. rograchong - June 12, 2012

My pennies worth: For producers and FOX, I understand your goals and objectives (make profits for the shareholders). I understand the studios concern that a straight-up Alien prequel as proposed by Scott and written by Spaiths was going to fail royally. Lindelof’s rewrite was spot on. He gave us a fleshed out David to ponder. He gave us a believable Weyland and pushed the story in the right direction. Damon remember the haters will hate but console yourself in the fact that a great many of us see the thruth, that you infact saved this movie and Sir Scott by extension from disaster.

The film was obviouisly poorly edited (director’s cut required pretty please). Note that many scenes from the trailer were cut and are not up on the screen, most notably during the encounter with the engineer and Rapace. Next time insist on more creative dialogue between the trio on the Prometheus at the end to better understand their motives and relationships. Alien and Aliens do a superior job of painting the characters in the film. JJ Abrams already knows this type of thing so I have no fear for Star Trek.

The action scenes were poorly shot and co-ordinated. Both Ridley Scott and George Lucas can’t shoot a proper mordern action scene. Everyone hates Michael Bay these days (with good cause) but he sure can shoot action (hence the reason he is rich and hangs out with supermodels unlike most here in Nerdvana). By the way the score, sound and sound editing sucked balls so get someone else next time (Rapace-engineer-creature scuffle needs better score/sound effects and action coordination to heighten tension.

Spaiths wrote the original goofy-scientists-getting-into-trouble Alien prequel story that Damon could not fully change. That was Ridley’s call, so no wonder the scientists are still goofy in Prometheus.

Can’t help it. !SPOILER ALERT!

The engineer only goes beserk after he realises what man has done by creating an artificial life form in David. The line had been crossed and therefore mankind had to be destroyed.

-END SPOILER-

I hope you get to see this comment somehow Damon so as we say here; Blessings to you and yours for fighting the good fight, for the fanboys and fangirls as you once again try to save the stinker that is “Worl War Z” for Paramount and the believers. I urge you all to learn from Prometheus and then maybe they could just hire you up-front in the firat place, problem solved.

231. Sebastian S. - June 12, 2012

My issues with “Prometheus” have NOTHING to do with Star Trek or Damon Lidelof (I’ve never watched LOST, so other than ST I’m not terribly familiar with his work). While I enjoyed “Prometheus” on many levels, it also has many flaws as well. And people shouldn’t be so criticized for pointing that out, BTW. That just smacks of insecurity in one’s own opinion to have to lash out so much at others….

I would love to see the movie again (and again in I-max 3D), and will probably buy the DVD when it comes out. But for me it was a difficult movie to simply adhere a ‘thumbs up’ or ‘thumbs down’, ‘like or dislike’ kind of rating to. Yes, some of the characters in the movie make stupid mistakes (almost like ‘teenagers in a “Friday the 13th”-movie’ level stupid), there are plot holes, too. Some of the characters (especially Vickers) come off as cliches. These aren’t ‘hater’ comments; these are opinions.

What I responded positively to with the movie were the bigger philosophical questions raised and it’s deliberate ambiguity (I enjoyed the fact that it didn’t simply spoon feed the audience answers; reminded me of “2001″ that way), not to mention the absolutely GORGEOUS look and FX of the film. Ridley Scott is a master visual stylist, no doubt there. There is some terrific brain and eye candy to absorb, but there are also a few things to wince at as well. The film is not perfect by a long shot (and so few are, really).

“Prometheus” was, for me at least, one of the most difficult movies to rate that I’ve seen in a long time, as it maddeningly treads that fine line between adoration and disappointment. But the fact that it intrigues me enough to see more viewings of it is a good thing (and may have been the ultimate goal of the filmmakers).

Perhaps some of the plot holes and mistakes will be cleared up in Ridley Scott’s proposed ‘director’s cut’ Bluray/DVD release:

http://collider.com/ridley-scott-prometheus-deleted-scenes-interview/172202/

232. Basement Blogger - June 12, 2012

@ 231

Sebastian S.,

Thanks for the link. I agree with some of your points. I liked Prometheus but can’t say I loved it as much as some of the posters here. As for Damon Lindelof and Lost, just know this. It was a show that heaped mystery upon mystery on the viewer. And the final season answered very little. Great five seasons and a terrible sixth season. Lindelof used the Star Wars midi-chlorians excuse to explain why he didn’t want to explain a lot stuff in Lost.

2001 might seem to not give you answers. But it acutally did. In that movie, we know aliens assisted in man’s evolution And in the end, you have enough information to realize that the same aliens would evolve man again. The Star Child.

Questions left open in Prometheus were confounding. It’s a movie that demands a sequel. And the way it ended, some quesions look like they’re going to be answered if there is a sequel. The cool thing is that the sequel might get evern more mind blowing. There might be a strange new world involved. If the sequel is good, it raises the grade of Prometheus. Still Prometheus is worthwhile, flaws and all.

233. Basement Blogger - June 12, 2012

Last night, sci-fi and Trekker, Stephen Colbert went crazy over Prometheus. He also made fun of Dr. Tyson for pointing out the scientific flaws in the movie. Funny stuff.

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/415110/june-11-2012/neil-degrasse-tyson-on–prometheus–gaffe

234. Jai - June 12, 2012

SPOILERS :

Don’t read these new articles unless you’ve already seen the film first :

These two articles contain very recent interviews of Ridley Scott and Damon Lindelof. Mainly from Ridley Scott, they have a *lot* of new information about the broader themes of the Prometheus saga, the main topics of the sequels, and the reasons the Engineers want to kill humans (including what I was alluding to earlier).

http://www.movies.com/movie-news/ridley-scott-prometheus-interview/8232

http://collider.com/prometheus-2-sequel/172444/

Very interesting stuff. Quite controversial too. I’m looking forward to the sequels.

235. Sebastian S. - June 12, 2012

# 232 BB~

True (about 2001′s answers), but what I also meant was that we the audience never really learn just who the monolith aliens were, or what their special interest in mankind is, etc. Even though 2001′s plot is relatively simple to follow, there are still a great many unanswered questions about the movie (and I like it that way). The same with “Solaris” (1972). Clarke’s 2001 books do go into a bit more detail on this, however (perhaps a bit too much, IMO).

And yes, I get the impression that “Prometheus” was largely a big setup for a sequel. But if Lindelof loves ‘cheating’ his audience (as you mentioned with “Lost”) then I fear this could all just lead to a colossal mind-f**k. That would not be interpretive ambiguity; that would just be a copout.

If they’re setting the stage for a sequel (as Prometheus obviously has), then there has to be some degree of payoff for the audience. Scott as much as said so in the Collider.com interview I linked in post # 231.

236. Sebastian S. - June 12, 2012

# 233 BB~

Very funny (the half billion mile) gaffe. Didn’t catch that one when I first saw it. I love Neil Degrasse Tyson; he is always a refreshing shot of logic that this world desperately needs more of.

That mistake is on a par with Star Wars’ old “Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs” error (which, despite feverish fanboy-fueled ret-conning, is still just a bad mistake).

;-)

237. Jack - June 12, 2012

PaulB — agreed, entirely.

238. Red Dead Ryan - June 12, 2012

#223, 224.

Man, you lost all credibility when you called “Inception” ‘overrated’. Sheesh. “Prometheus” is a great movie, it is intelligent (just like “Inception” btw, which was both a critical and box office smash hit) you just have open your eyes and mind to it. Of course, you had your own mind made up before you went to see it.

You see, me, MJ and dmduncan refused to drink the pre-movie criticism Kool-Aid that you imbibed and as such, we were rewarded with a great movie that will be even better with the director’s edition Blu Ray!

And what is this “Zebra” band anyway? Pulling out an obscure 80′s reference to try to back up your comments as fact? Gimme a break! LOL!

239. Captain Kirk Douglas - June 12, 2012

Visually stunning. Poorly written. Well-acted. Stupidly advertised as a masterpiece. A big small movie, like Friday 13th on steroyds. Forgettable, and I suspect Scott won’t be doing the Blade Runner sequel after the overseas revenues are known. People from other countries don’t get too impressed by all those fireworks. Good review, though!

240. Jeyl - June 12, 2012

#238. Red Dead Ryan:
“Prometheus” is a great movie, it is intelligent”

How much intelligence does it take to write in a more appropriate distance from LV-223 from Earth? Because half a billion miles isn’t that far away when we need a star chart to find it. It’s right in our own solar system.

Again, give me an example of this said intelligence? Who is really in charge of this expedition? Is it the Captain? Is it Charlize? Is it Naomi? No one knows and no one gives a crap.

And what’s with the editing? We have a zombie running wild in the hanger deck killing off people left and right doing crazy stuff that nobody has ever seen before. When we finally kill the zombie by pumping it full of lead, burning it with fire and crushing it with an eight wheeled vehicle, everybody seems to just pass it off as nothing. It’s never brought up or mentioned again.

And why have the engineer go after Naomi when there were other ships within walking distance?

For a film where everyone involved in making it has said “It stands on it’s own”, they sure are insistent about making sequels to expand on the questions this film asked and never answered. I guess in the end, that’s all this film was. Not a movie, just a showcase of ideas. I didn’t walk out of the theater thinking that the story, the characters, the actors’ performances and the resolution were the highlights, and I hated the ideas this film made.

#238 Red Dead Ryan:
“Noomi Rapace reminded me of Sigourney Weaver from “Aliens”, especially towards the end.”

You mean when Ripley was shouting at the Alien Queen and asking it questions like why do you hate us and why do you want to destroy us? Or was it when Ripley had a crises of faith and got it back for no developed reason? Or are you just associated Noomi’s character with Ripley because she’s a girl and she survived at the end? Outside of that, there is nothing “Ripley” like in Noomi’s character.

241. Azrael - June 12, 2012

@238. Hey man, there is nothing wrong with wanting nothing to do with Inception. I won’t watch it at all simply because the cast includes Leonardo DiCraprio. The story looks and sounds stupid to me, and despite my DEEP love for what the Nolan brothers have done with Batman, I am just not willing to waste 2+ hours of my life watching the movie.

Is it possible that I am wrong? Is it possible that Inception is a good or even great movie? Yes, both are possible, I just don’t care enough to find out.

Now don’t get all mad, I don’t want to watch Prometheus either, I might someday catch one of these films on a movie channel but I won’t go looking for em.

As for Zebra, I remember them, but then my father used to be a radio DJ and his music collection is the most extensive I have ever seen. Zebra is not a bad group, they just got blanked out by the “Alternative Movement” and stupid, overrated, cowardly, Curt Cobain.

@Anthony. The site no longer remembers my name or email like it used to, if this a because of the server migration your getting screwed IMO.

242. Red Dead Ryan - June 12, 2012

#241.

“Hey man, there is nothing wrong with wanting nothing to do with Inception. I won’t watch it at all simply because the cast includes Leonardo DiCaprio. The movie looks and sounds stupid to me, and despite my DEEP love for what the Nolan brothers have done with Batman, I am just not willing to waste 2+ hours of my life watching the movie.

Is it possible that I am wrong? Is it possible that Inception is a good or even great movie? Yes, both are possible. I just don’t care enough to find out.

Now don’t get all mad, I don’t want to watch Prometheus either, I might someday catch one of these films on a movie channel but I won’t go looking for them.”

Well, this just proves what I said at #214 is true. Azrael passing judgements on movies he admits to not even wanting or bothering to see. Doesn’t want to see “Inception” just because he has some sort of grudge against Leonardo DiCaprio, who is a proven actor. LOL! Oh, the pain! Two friggin’ hours! Big deal!

It’s these types of asinine comments that make the trip here worthwhile. I can always use a good laugh!

Thanks for brightening up my day, Azrael! Really appreciate it! :-)

243. NanoTechDudeLA - June 12, 2012

I’ve seen Prometheus two times, because after seeing it for the first time I felt very disappointed – so I decided to go again in case I had missed something.

I expected a masterpiece, but watched a mediocre movie instead. Fantastic cinematography cannot overcome a very bad script and generally average acting. Fassbender was good and had some great moments, Rapace was ok, other characters were done abysmally bad. There were too many non sequitur WTF plot-hole moments. The basic idea and the story of Engineers is indeed thought provoking, but the “thinking level” of the movie is on a pseudo-intellectual level.

This movie is in no way intelligent. It’s not Transformers or Avengers, but it’s very very very far away from 2001, Solaris, Alien, or anything similar in any respect.

244. Jack - June 12, 2012

242. We get it, you liked Prometheus and you think it’s smart. I didn’t (like it or think it was smart) and it had nothing to do with any bandwagons or with hating the Lost guy. I didn’t think Inception was particularly deep either. Not that it needed to be.

245. MJ - June 12, 2012

Huh, Inception is one of the most brilliant movies in years. And here we go again — a bad review of it by someone who has not even bothered to see it.

Those of you who are reviewing movies you haven’t seen — just “shut up now”, would you. I mean sheesh, I know I can be very irritating at times myself on these boards (and I apologize for that!), but this constant slamming of movies that people have not even seen is dishonest and shows a lack of integrity.

Even me at my worst., I would never make up shit and opinions on movies I hadn’t seen. Posts by people commenting on movies they have not seen are just a complete waste of everyone’s time here. Yes, I am getting sick of this, and as you all know, I am not easily flustered.

246. MJ - June 12, 2012

@244. Don’t my your negative opinion, Jack, because at least you bothered to see it. Congrats for actually seeing the movie before slamming it — I can at least respect that.

247. MJ - June 12, 2012

typo: meant to say “Don’t mind…”

248. Jack - June 12, 2012

Dude, it’s my biggest Internet pet peeve — comments starting with “I haven’t seen it, but” or, “I don’t know anything about this, but ”

I thought inception was beautifully executed, and clever. It worked like a well crafted machine. But…

At least one poster liking here didn’t like The Cabin in the Woids because it broke from /played with conventions of the genre(s). I just thought Prometheus (and Inception) were pretty conventional. And maybe it’s a question of expectations, when a movie is sold (either officially or bu word of mouth) as being brilliant and thought-provoking, well…

249. Vultan - June 12, 2012

#241

Azrael, I saw Inception. I thought it was good, not great. I still think Nolan’s best is The Prestige. But hey, if you don’t want to see it, I don’t blame you. It’s not for everyone. Kind of a… well, it’s a lot like a maze. Definitely one you have to pay attention to. And I think that strength may also be a weakness—maybe too much attention to the plot mechanics and less so on the characters. I don’t know. It’s been awhile. I’ll have to watch it again.

As for Prometheus, well, yes, I haven’t seen it. And really I shouldn’t criticize it for that reason. But when I see certain strengths and weaknesses repeated from different sources, I have to put this one in the rental pile. But hey, I did that for Source Code and Adjustment Bureau, and I enjoyed those. So we’ll see. I mean, I’ll see… eventually. ;)

250. Basement Blogger - June 12, 2012

@ 234

Thank you Jai. Some of the things Ridley Scott was talking about were kind of wild. Jesus. Oops, sorry about that.

If Promethues doesn’t have a sequel, then it seems to me that some of the fault of the unanswered questions lies at Scott’s feet. And he should get story credit if it was his idea to have a character try to find his/her maker in the sequel. Still, once the movie ended I blamed Lindelof. Perhaps it wasn’t his fault.

Again, Prometheus demands a sequel. And I can only imagine how wild it will be. That’s okay. We’re not going to a planet like earth, I think. It might look like something out of H.R. Giger’s dreams, i.e., bio-mechanical.

251. PaulB - June 12, 2012

238. Red Dead Ryan – June 12, 2012
“Of course, you had your own mind made up before you went to see it.”

Really? Please, tell me how you know that my mind was made up?

“You see, me, MJ and dmduncan refused to drink the pre-movie criticism Kool-Aid that you imbibed…”

Oh, get off the high horse. You three are nothing special. I didn’t buy into the criticism. I almost NEVER to the theater for movies; I’d rather wait for DVD than deal with idiots, sticky floors, overpriced everything, and crappy screens. Prometheus is the first movie I have seen IN the theaters since Inception, so I was NOT buying into the criticism: I was trusting that it would be worth the price, the annoying people with cell phones (three in my matinee showing on Monday), and so on.

“And what is this “Zebra” band anyway? Pulling out an obscure 80′s reference to try to back up your comments as fact”

What a stupid comment! I didn’t offer them as FACT of any kind. I pointed out that Prometheus offers nothing new, and certainly nothing deep, if the SAME IDEAS were covered by an obscured 80s band. DUH…learn to read critically before being critical.

So you LOVED Promtheus. Great. Stop spouting it. A lot of us have read MANY MANY MANY of your comments, and MJ’s, and dmduncan’s. Why not shut up for a bit and let the rest of us talk?

As you can see, I’m not the only one saying Prometheus is dumb. Maybe you should just accept that you have a different, lower standard for your films, and stop attacking the rest of us.

252. MJ - June 12, 2012

@249. Interesting, I thought The Prestige was a bit of a miss. All the great elements were there, but the ending was predictable and anti-climactic. And Scarlet Johansson was as overrated then as she is now.

I thought Dark Knight was a tad overrated as well — I saw it about 1-week into the release, so my expectations were probably over-hyped given all the accolades I had heard on it. I though Jack Nicholson was a better Joker as well; I am in a minority I guess who thought Ledgers performance was more average than great.

Inception I thought was a brilliant film, but not brilliant sf. It was a brilliant film in the outstanding way it carried off the concept of layers within layers of dreamscape, and also in the way it maintained relentless interest, storytelling and action, similar to the pace of Trek 2009.

253. Vultan - June 12, 2012

By the way, since this is a Ridley Scott board, any thoughts on the Blade Runner sequel? It looks like it may happen. The original’s screenwriter is being brought back.

I don’t know. It’s kind of a holy thing to sci-fi fans. Not sure if they should touch it. But then when you think about it, there have already been multiple Blade Runner movies: Theatrical Cut, Director’s Cut, Final Cut—the only trilogy of the same movie!

254. PaulB - June 12, 2012

#245. MJ – June 12, 2012
“Huh, Inception is one of the most brilliant movies in years. And here we go again — a bad review of it by someone who has not even bothered to see it.”

Since I brought up Inception, MJ, I assume you’re addressing me. First, I DID see Inception, and like many science-fiction-literate adults I know, I found it to be a terribly overrated film that covered old ground that had been dealt with in SF literature for decades. But for you and many like you, it was new and astonishing. Great! I’m glad you loved it. But shut up about those of us who saw it and disliked it. It’s far from brilliant, and your worship of it’s intelligence says a LOT about YOUR taste in movies–that is, deep thoughts need not apply.

Now, why don’t you stop acting like you (1) own this site and (2) run the world, and let the rest of us speak up for a bit, okay?

255. PaulB - June 12, 2012

re: 254 — typo (should be “your worship of its intelligence”) I’m sure I made other errors, but I hate mixing up its/it’s when I KNOW that rule inside and out.

256. PaulB - June 12, 2012

#245 — And if you were NOT addressing me, well, my comments still stand. Chill out, back off, and shut up for a while. We get it: You worship Prometheus and Inception as the best things since chocolate and orgasms, but now it’s time to let those of us with different tastes to speak up for a bit without having to deal with your incessant attacks and silly superiority complex.

257. Vultan - June 12, 2012

#252

Yeah, you know, I thought TDK was great when I first saw it, but after subsequent viewings I’m not so much a fan anymore. I think it’s a good movie. But some things about it are a little off, particularly Batman’s voice—somebody get that guy a cough drop!

And after watching Batman Begins recently, I think it’s slightly better than its sequel. I hope TDKR is a little more like it than TDK.

258. MJ - June 12, 2012

@251. The 80′s was my decade in my 20′s, and I was big into the music of that decade, and yet I also have never heard of this Zebra band either, so I don’t think anyone here is likely to get that reference to Prometheus. Berating Red Dead Ryan because he didn’t know this no-name forgotten band is just plain silly, dude.

But I’ll say this for you, at least you saw the movie — thanks for that common courtesy. It is more than some others are offering here.

259. MJ - June 12, 2012

@253. I would prefer they not do a sequel to Blade Runner. There are somethings you do not touch, like Blade Runner, The Wizard of Oz, Gone with the Wind, etc.

260. MJ - June 12, 2012

“Since I brought up Inception, MJ…..But shut up about those of us who saw it and disliked it. It’s far from brilliant, and your worship of it’s intelligence says a LOT about YOUR taste in movies–that is, deep thoughts need not apply.”

Hey Einstein, I was clearly addressing Azrael’s comment on Inception in the vain that she was commenting on it without bothering to see it. You don’t like and you want to belittle me for liking it — fine I get that, and have no problem taking your hit — but my post was clearly not covering that, and was not addressing you.

“These aren’t the droids you’re looking for…move along.”

261. Red Shirt Diaries - June 12, 2012

Note to all: Inception has one of the highest ratings of all time on IMDB. It is rated as 8.8. In comparison:

2001: 8.4
Lawrence of Arabia: 8.4
The Godfather: 9.2
Star Wars: 8.8
Casablanca: 8.7
Blade Runner: 8.3

These numbers speak for themselves regarding Inception’s place in movie history as “one of the greats.”

262. Azrael - June 12, 2012

@260. Dude I am a MALE, please stop calling me a she, I would be grateful. I am fine with you guys disagreeing with me about Inception, but insulting me because I don’t want to watch it won’t make any impact on me either. I didn’t watch Batman and Robin either but I am completely confident in my assessment of it as the worst Batman film of all time. I already acknowledged that I could be wrong about Inception, and I said it could be a great movie, I just don’t want to watch it, as far as DiCaprio the only movie he ever made that I enjoyed was Romeo and Juliet, he just isn’t my “cup of tea” as you guys keep saying.

Seriously though if you all just want to fight with me because of I have a different opinion then to quote those same Stormtroopers MJ quoted.

“Move along, Move along”

263. Sebastian S. - June 12, 2012

Say, I have a novel idea:

How about we ALL get to voice our own opinions and no one else attacks them? I know; sounds crazy, but I’ve seen it work on other websites…
;-D

If people didn’t like Prometheus? No tears on my pillow. My own feelings about Prometheus are complex; teetering a fine line between great admiration and disappointment. So I can understand if someone didn’t like it (my own wife didn’t care for it). I’m curious to see if Scott’s proposed director’s cut clears up some of my issues with the movie. And despite it’s flaws, it doesn’t mean I won’t see it again in a theatre, of course… ;-)

As for “Inception”? I liked it.
And while it was a great mind-f**k and I enjoyed it immensely, I wouldn’t say definitively that it’s everyone’s cup of tea. It’s layered, and rewards repeated viewings, but if someone feels differently? That’s OK, too (that’s one of the beauties of a democracy). It really has nothing to do with Prometheus, but whatever….

But what I’m seeing here is a lot of personal attacks on others simply because they don’t feel the same way about movies as they do. Movies, for chrissakes. Not a plan to end famine or a blueprint for world peace, but one’s choice in entertainment. Whatever happened to that quaint idea of ‘agreeing to disagree’? I can’t understand why some here are taking criticism of Prometheus so personally and lashing out like that. It just reeks of insecurity in one’s own opinion….

Come on everybody. Let’s just all get a grip, OK? ;-)

264. Red Dead Ryan - June 12, 2012

PaulB:

Seriously, man, you’ve got some serious anger management issues. Telling us to shut up is totally uncalled for. Your condescending tone is not welcome here. Fine, you were pissed off after seeing “Prometheus” and you can’t stand “Inception”. But that’s no excuse for your attitude.

#261.

Thanks! “Inception” is one of the greatest movies of recent times, if not of all time. Can’t be disputed.

265. Sebastian S. - June 12, 2012

# 264

ALL tastes can be disputed.
As long as we’re all individuals with our own likes and dislikes? No two people’s tastes are identical. Some see art where others see crap. And it’s all OK, because we’re not the Borg, right?

;-)

266. dmduncan - June 12, 2012

225: “I know all that ;) The point I was making wasn’t that the Prometheus expedition had no weapons or military escorts at all, but that the team’s leaders suicidally decided to abandon those weapons and escorts at a couple of critical moments when exploring the ruins. I guess some scientists wouldn’t necessarily be expected to think from that kind of “military” perspective, but it was still very irresponsible and showed a serious lack of common sense. Some of the other team members did some very stupid things too.”

First, SPOILER WARNING!!!

But that’s not exactly true, Jai. Millburn and Fifield took a wrong turn trying to get back to the ship by themselves. When the storm came, security ran back with everyone else not realizing Millburn and Fifield hadn’t made it back.

Now Millburn and Fifield did behave stupidly, but that is really what happens in tense situations. It’s not a plot hole. If that’s a plot hole then life is full of them, in which case, so should your movies be to accurately reflect life. And they left before David even got the door open exposing the urns, so there was no reason for them to conclude at that point that the place was anything more than a tomb.

Then, the NEXT time they went in was to look for Millburn and Fifield. Captain Janek went in himself to lead the search. Again, they were armed. But there was nothing to shoot at except the snake thing which didn’t hurt anybody else and in any case disappeared too quickly. So again, no suicidal lack of weapons.

So it wasn’t that the leaders screwed up by not bringing any weapons which would have saved them, because there was no situation during the visits when weapons would have been useful. Therefore, even if they did leave their weapons behind it still would not have been suicidal given the way things unfolded. Only Fifield and Millburn needed weapons, but it would have been a contrivance to give them any, which would have led to just a different complaint about Prometheus.

All hell broke loose because of David, not because of loose monsters on the prowl which they needed weapons to suppress. Even awakening the engineer was David’s doing.

251: “Why not shut up for a bit and let the rest of us talk?”

Whoah there. This place doesn’t have a single microphone that one person is hogging. Nobody can stop you from posting. And nobody can stop anyone else from reading what you write.

“As you can see, I’m not the only one saying Prometheus is dumb.”

Saying Prometheus is “dumb” is like saying “your mother is a cockroach.” Meaningless words with no factual content whose only point is to make someone else feel a certain way.

If you want to call Prometheus dumb, here’s my challenge: Explain to me your criteria for smart movies and dumb movies, and then point out how Prometheus meets the latter criteria. List some examples of movies that you thought were “smart.”

I have not been a fan of Ridley Scott’s work for a long while, but I can never criticize any of his movies which I do not like for being “dumb.” “Dumb” is never the problem with any Ridley Scott movie, including Prometheus.

Some movies that I THINK are dumb and which Prometheus is light years away from? GI Joe. Anything by Adam Sandler. Deuce Bigalow. Any movie made by Roland Emmerich. A host of Schwarzeneggar movies. The feature films of McG.

243: “Fantastic cinematography cannot overcome a very bad script and generally average acting. Fassbender was good and had some great moments, Rapace was ok, other characters were done abysmally bad. There were too many non sequitur WTF plot-hole moments.”

What are some of the “non sequitur WTF plot-hole moments?”

240: “And why have the engineer go after Naomi when there were other ships within walking distance?”

I do agree with you that the “half a billion miles” line WAS a stupid gaffe.

But whose gaffe was it?

Spaight’s/Lindelof’s? Or Vickers? I don’t know the answer to that question, and I’m pretty sure you don’t either despite your obvious assumption that it belongs to the writers.

The words “why have the engineer go after Naomi” (it’s actually Noomi) makes me wonder if you experience movies as having characters whose motivations you may not fully understand, or look at them as scripts to pick a fight with.

Maybe he went after SHAW (not Noomi) because he was on a mission to DESTROY humanity, and he wanted the satisfaction of yanking the skull off the only remaining sample of it on LV223 that had taken his ship down.

I thought it was established pretty quickly after he was awakened that he wasn’t a pleasant chap. And being taken down by a puny wretched human just MIGHT have made him angry enough to want to do what he did.

Seems to me he was being rather consistent. All in all, I’d say his behavior is less mysterious than recent incidents of REAL cannibalism.

“Or was it when Ripley had a crises of faith and got it back for no developed reason?”

The reasons for the crisis in her faith and the reasons for its resolution were both there. I didn’t think that was hard to understand at all.

267. Vultan - June 12, 2012

#265

Thank you, Sebastian S. The voice of reason, as always.

268. dmduncan - June 12, 2012

Even though I enjoy it in a comedic kind of way, IT! The Terror From Beyond Space is a “dumb” movie.

Astronauts go to Mars and a monster sneaks on board for the return trip to Earth. And while everyone is totally skeptical about the presence of monsters on Mars, they still saw some good reason to stock pistols, rifles, grenades, GAS grenades, and a BAZOOKA! That’s right, they set off grenades and fired a bazooka on their little ship! In SPACE! Weapons which they should not have had. To fight a monster which they didn’t believe existed!

Classic badness from the 1950′s!!!

269. Jack - June 12, 2012

264. “Can’t be disputed.”

Everything can be disputed.

270. Obsidian - June 12, 2012

CAPTION

The crew of Prometheus must face the face.
(Thanks go to Pete Townsend)

OR

The crew of Prometheus study early plastic surgery techniques.
(Thanks go to Joan Rivers and Burt Reynolds)

Ok, I tried. :)

271. njdss4 - June 12, 2012

Saw Prometheus over the weekend. It was really bad. It’s one of those movies that makes less sense the more you think about it. I don’t know what it was trying to accomplish, but it failed miserably. It answered some questions about the Alien universe (albeit vaguely) that I didn’t think needed answering, while leaving a lot more questions about “why” about everything else.

Don’t waste your money.

272. PaulB - June 12, 2012

Anthony,

Since MJ, Red Dead Ryan, and Dmduncan have taken it on themselves to insult, harass, mock, belittle, and name-call everyone who disagrees with them, this board–not just this thread, but the whole forum–has become a hateful place to visit.

Since this is now the MJ-Red Dead Ryan-dmduncan forum, Anthony, would you please post the new rules for the rest of us to follow so that we don’t offend these three? After all, they’ve dominated this (and other) threads, insulting and attacking others PERSONALLY, and you’ve allowed it.

Or is this just a free-for-all now? No limits to what we can say to each other?

Or could you maybe step in and get these “our way or the highway” snobs to stop attacking and demeaning everyone else around here?

Or maybe….maybe it’s just time for THIS adult to stop visiting Trekmovie, since ANYTHING GOES in the forums, except for dissenting opinions, or requests that people let OTHERS have a conversation once in a while, or anything like cordiality.

Anthony, this forum has become a hostile and unfriendly place because of those three. Please do something about it. I’m sure I’m not the only one around here who’d like to be able to converse without the thought-police routine from these three. Or let them run the place and dominate every conversation they’re in.

As for MJ, Red Dead Ryan, and dmduncan, don’t bother responding to me. I’ve spent too much of my life in arguments with childish minds like you three exhibit here. Yes, I asked you to shut up so the rest of us could speak up, but instead you three posted EVEN MORE ATTACKS ON OTHERS.

273. Anthony Pascale - June 12, 2012

people need to find a way of expressing their opinions on this site without attacking others or getting personal.

Also no one has a right to say who should or should not be able to post comments at TrekMovie.com…except for myself and the other contributors to the site.

Find a way to get along or move along to another site

274. PaulB - June 12, 2012

251: “Why not shut up for a bit and let the rest of us talk?”
Whoah there. This place doesn’t have a single microphone that one person is hogging. Nobody can stop you from posting. And nobody can stop anyone else from reading what you write.”

***
No, when you three CONSTANTLY attack anything that disagrees with you, we cannot have a conversation here. You three keep attacking everyone who disagrees, or who dares to stand up to your bullying attitude toward others here. Since you three refuse to let others talk about the movie in less than glowing terms, we cannot chat about it without your interference and attacks.

275. dmduncan - June 12, 2012

272. PaulB – June 12, 2012

I’m sorry that you feel that way PaulB, but I’m afraid you are making less sense to me than Prometheus made to you.

Until you mentioned me I didn’t even know you existed. But evidently you have been simmering about we three stooges, and now the lid is bubbling off the pot. And sorry again, but you don’t get to attack others without others having the same right to defend themselves.

I haven’t insulted you, called you names, or attacked you. I have, however, disagreed with you, and maybe to you that’s the same thing.

There is also no word limit to the forum that MJ, RDR, and myself are taking an unfair share of with our posts, preventing you from having any of your own, which makes your complaint a mere rationale for some deeper issue you have.

Also, MJ, RDR, and I are all separate individuals who have all had disagreements with each other at times, and yet we still all manage to get along. The anger with which you conflate us as if we are all collaborating on a project to pelt you with nasty posts bespeaks an ugliness on your part, which you cannot attribute to having seen a movie which you did not like.

If you are afraid to post because of me or anybody else, then that really is a problem that you should work on if you want to post more often.

Most of my disagreements are innocuous ones over different or incomplete perceptions which are valid or understandable. It’s just that…if you say stupid things, I am programmed to point them out in defense of the things you are stupidly attacking. Your best defense is to make better arguments.

With regard to that, I can’t lie to you about your chances…but you do have my sympathy. :-)

276. PaulB - June 12, 2012

#275 Get off your high horse and leave me alone. I’ve been around these boards for years, but I don’t feel a need to post INCESSANTLY like a few of you. So I don’t really care that you don’t know me from Adam.

I am clearly NOT the only one who has had issues with MJ and RDR, and you to a lesser extent. Sorry if I unfairly clumped you in with those two: you haven’t been nearly as annoying or offensive as MJ, for example.

But since this isn’t a board about us, let’s just agree to ignore each other’s existence. I’m sure the rest of the people around here are more than tired of this nonsense.

277. Vultan - June 12, 2012

#275

“I’ve heard enough of this, and I’m asking you to pull the plug.”

278. dmduncan - June 12, 2012

274: “No, when you three CONSTANTLY attack anything that disagrees with you, we cannot have a conversation here. You three keep attacking everyone who disagrees, or who dares to stand up to your bullying attitude toward others here. Since you three refuse to let others talk about the movie in less than glowing terms, we cannot chat about it without your interference and attacks.”

I am sorry Paul, but that is what conversation IS. It is people having their own opinions. You say what you want, and I get to do the same. You are the one who labels disagreement “attacking” because you want us to stop expressing ourselves so you are not challenged by anything we say.

That’s what you really mean by us giving “other people” a chance. In reality, you want “us” to give YOU a chance to have a non-conversation where you say something without being disagreed with on anything you say, even if it’s a cheap shot, because you don’t know how to answer the replies except to tell Anthony to make “us” shut up.

You mentioned me out of the blue, PaulB. I don’t recall ever saying a word to you before, yet you are complaining about me because of arguments you just had with RDR and MJ.

You should think about that for a while.

279. dmduncan - June 12, 2012

277. Vultan – June 12, 2012

LOL! I can always count on you to get it, Vultan.

280. Jack - June 12, 2012

There are about seven of us who dominate these boards. It’s a little nuts. Why do we think people need to hear what we’re saying, me included? How many of you are out there and never feel the need to post?

281. Jack - June 12, 2012

233. “(Colbert) also made fun of Dr. Tyson for pointing out the scientific flaws in the movie. Funny stuff.”

Not meaning to quibble, but I think he was having fun with it, not mocking the guy (who’s been on the show a bunch).

282. PaulB - June 12, 2012

#278 Give it a rest. I’m not going to bother reading any more of your hypocritically condescending diatribes.

Ignore me. I’ll ignore you. The board will go on happily without us interacting. At this point, you are just dragging it out, proving that you are the problem, not me.

And I already apologized if I unfairly lumped you in with MJ and RDR, if you had actually READ what I wrote. But since then you have shown that I was right to include you with them: your last two comments to me are evidence enough. Like them, you badger and attack people who won’t fall in line with you–as you’ve just shown.

Now, MOVE ALONG. Stop talking to me, stop wasting space. Go on and preach your Prometheus gospel, and as I said before, we’ll ignore each other.

283. dmduncan - June 12, 2012

282: “Ignore me. I’ll ignore you.”

I made no promise to ignore you. That’s your quest. You got my attention and now you are apparently intent on keeping it, otherwise you would keep your promise to ignore me.

“At this point, you are just dragging it out, proving that you are the problem, not me.”

Right back at you.

“Like them, you badger and attack people who won’t fall in line with you–as you’ve just shown.”

That seems to be more your problem since you want to say things without anyone answering you, and you complain to AP how unfair life is if you don’t get your way.

From my perspective you are the one who is badgering me. You included me unfairly in your arguments with others, apologized for it, rescinded your apology by another attack while promising to ignore me, and you keep telling me to ignore you while you keep posting to me.

So practice what you preach.

284. Keachick - rose pinenut - June 12, 2012

I am sorry, PaulB – I have to say, after reading these posts, I feel that it is you who may have the problem. These people are not attacking anyone personally – they are discussing/disputing ideas, comments put forward on this board. That is what giving opinions are about. Sometimes people do not agree on everything; sometimes they only agree on some things; sometimes on nothing. The fact that you refer to some posters as being “worshippers” and “preaching the Prometheus gospel” speaks to a problem you may have.

Nobody is “worshipping” or “preaching” anything…

Please do not think I am attacking you personally. Why should I? I don’t know you and even if I did, again, why should I?

Jack did say that there are about seven of us who dominate the boards. I guess I could be seen as one of them. I don’t think any one of us intends to dominate anything. It is just that we find things that we want to express and this site gives us the opportunity – Thank you, Anthony! Nobody is stopping you from expressing your viewpoint. None of us can. Only Anthony Pascale can do that.

PaulB – All of us can be asses at times. Both Red Dead Ryan and MJ have been asses on occasion and I have told them so. However, none of us like to be told to shut up. It’s not very nice, inappropriate and totally pointless.

285. MJ - June 12, 2012

@282 “And I already apologized if I unfairly lumped you in with MJ and RDR”

Jesus Christ, dude, I don’t recall ever interacting with you on these boards before (and if I did, it must have been a pretty much forgettable exchange from my POV). Why the hate for me all of a sudden?

You lose your debate with DM Duncan (no surprise there), and so you then resort to taking personal potshots at Red Dead Ryan and I as a fallback? Is this some personal war you are raging here? Weird and awkward for all of us! I feel like I need to take a shower now.

No offense, but your passions seem to be a bit out of control. Lighten up! And if you can’t do that, please stop using Read Dean Ryan and cannon fodder in your failed arguments with DM Duncan. Perhaps mix in some real intellect instead.

286. Jack - June 12, 2012

Truce?

287. MJ - June 12, 2012

@262 / Azrael: “Seriously though if you all just want to fight with me because of I have a different opinion”

@263 / Sebastian S.: “How about we ALL get to voice our own opinions and no one else attacks them?”

Agreed. But you both missed my point. My point was that I do not respect opinions that people have on movies when they have not even bothered to see the movies. And you will find that most objective people will agree with this.

So when I hear from Azrael that Inception stinks, and that this is related to his long standing Leanardo DeCraprio boycott, well excuse me for thinking that is rater kooky and does not warrant me taking it very seriously when I then also learn from him that he has NEVER EVEN SEEN THE MOVIE!!!

Again, I think it is a complete waste of the poster’s time and readers’ time for people to post detailed commentary on movies that they have not even bothered to see. It is a fracking joke and not to be taken seriously, and unfortunately, it is likely to attract ridicule. That is just the way it is.

288. MJ - June 12, 2012

@286. Sure, count me in, if everyone else is game.

289. Azrael - June 13, 2012

I am fine with a truce, since I haven’t been fighting, for the record though I did not say Inception “stinks”. I haven’t seen it, so how would I know? That logic does not fail me either. I said the movie seemed to be a stupid idea to me, and not one I wanted to waste time on, but I said in my very first post mentioning Inception, that “it could be great”. I did say that the presence of DiCaprio in the cast was reason enough for me to not “want” to watch it, and that is true, based on 10 movies in a row with him that I couldn’t stand when I watched them. Therefore I chose not to watch Inception, but I NEVER said it “stinks”, I even praised the Nolan brothers in the same sentence, and stated the possibility that I might in fact watch Inception someday. I also did not offer any kind of review of the film, I stated my impressions based on what I have seen of it (far more than trailers) nothing more.

Go ahead look at my post #241, the word stinks isn’t in there anywhere.

@Vultan, thank you for offering me an actual constructive opinion on the subject, I appreciate it.

290. Jai - June 13, 2012

DMDuncan is one of the nicest, most polite and courteous people on this website. Very strange to see him suddenly becoming the target of a bunch of wildly inappropriate accusations.

The guy’s also an ex-marine, so anyone trying to psychologically bully him is unlikely to be successful ;)

Some strange behaviour on this thread; there’s something about the internet that seems to turn some people into semi-autistic sociopaths.

(Hasn’t there been some recent research indicating that spending too much time online on social networking websites and talkboards can cause behavioural disorders and even re-wire people’s brains ?)

I’m glad Anthony Pascale has intervened.

291. Jai - June 13, 2012

Basement Blogger re: #250:

“Thank you Jai. Some of the things Ridley Scott was talking about were kind of wild. Jesus. Oops, sorry about that.

Again, Prometheus demands a sequel. And I can only imagine how wild it will be.”

Yep, it sounds fascinating, especially if Ridley Scott puts those wild ideas into action. I bet the controversy would generate a lot of publicity and debate too.

Hopefully the sequels will go ahead and Ridley Scott will get the chance to go for it.

292. Jai - June 13, 2012

DMDuncan, re: #266:

My thinking was that they shouldn’t have abandoned their weapons and escorts even when it seemed they were unnecessary. It was still a completely alien, unknown and potentially hostile environment. But I’m sure my thinking is also influenced by our (the audience’s) foreknowledge of the Engineers’ less-than-friendly feelings towards humans, which the Prometheus crew obviously weren’t aware of.

The plot holes I mentioned involved some separate events towards the end of the movie, but I can’t talk about all that here because it involves some pretty huge spoilers.

On a separate subject: The cause of everything going wrong ? My spoiler-free answer: You’re right about one of the main instigators, but several other people were pulling the strings (one in particular) and it was a conspiracy all along. And the victims of this conspiracy were being deliberately used as guinea pigs, sacrificial lambs and general cannon fodder, including hapless people unwittingly sent to “step on the hidden land-mines so we know where they are”. Very cynical stuff ;)

293. Beer Guy - June 13, 2012

SPOILERS!

#230 – I agree and disagree with you to some extent about the Engineer wanting to destroy everyone after realizing that David is artificial.

First – the Engineers had set out to destroy humankind long before encountering David. And their motivation to act so harshly on such a grand scale has to be equally large.

My feeling is that the Engineers have had some very negative experiences with technology (i.e. Skynet or Colossus) and they believe that humans are heading down the same path. They feel compelled to eradicate humans because they believe that human naivety about this path of technology represents an ultimate threat to the rest of the galaxy.

So, from the point of view of the Engineer near the end of the movie – he is awakened by strange beings. Once David starts to explain who they are and what they want from the Engineer, the Engineer realizes they are humans from Earth and determines to destroy them as they likely realize what his mission is (to destroy humans!). The Engineer got a bonus while destroying an android in the process.

I’d like to hear more thoughts from the folks here who are saying how obvious it was what the Engineers motives were.

294. Damian - June 13, 2012

I saw Prometheus last night and thought it was pretty good. I loved Alien, one of my favorite films. Aliens was great too, though as a horror fan, I liked Alien just a bit better. In the Alien franchise, Prometheus would probably be 3rd in line. The only thing that bothered me, as noted in the review, was the seemingly lack of common sense among the characters. I mean, you see some alien worm, snake thing looking at you, you don’t taunt it. You take a couple steps back and maybe try to learn something about it before approaching it. But that’s just me, I suppose.

After reading what I read, I actually expected less prequel elements from Alien. I was actually surprised to see quite a few prequel elements to the movie. I thought Scott answered a number of questions left over from Alien.

That being said, you don’t need to see Alien to enjoy this film. But if you saw and loved Alien, there is a lot to like and I think you’ll enjoy getting some answers to some longstanding questions.

From a prequel standpoint, they actually did a pretty good job of creating a prequel that you can thoroughly enjoy without seeing the other movies in the franchise.

295. Damian - June 13, 2012

Oh, and see it in 3-D. It was excellently done in this film. I actually saw one or two lens flares in 3-D, which was interesting since you don’t see flares in the real world. So there’s hope for Abrams and his trademark lens flares (though personally, all the flares in Star Trek were giving me a headache and ruined some great special effects, IMHO–I wish JJ would lose his fascination with flares).

296. Sebastian S. - June 13, 2012

# 294

Agreed. Saw it in 3D I-Max and it was very immersive and natural. Not a lot of stupid “viewmaster” style ‘gag’ shots, but a genuine, ‘real’ 3D.

Possibly the best 3D I’ve seen since “Avatar”; and both movies made me genuinely feel as though I were on another planet. Kudos to both Ridley Scott and James Cameron (whom, coincidentally, also made the only two films in the ALIEN series that I thought truly good).

I just wished my overall feelings for “Prometheus” weren’t so ambiguous; it really treaded the line between amazement and disappointment. It’s like a drop-dead sexy ex that you have strong feelings for even though you remember full well why the relationship didn’t fully work…

But unlike any old exes, I’d like to see this one again….. ;-D

297. Jai - June 13, 2012

Re: #292:

“I’d like to hear more thoughts from the folks here who are saying how obvious it was what the Engineers motives were.”

If anyone wants to find out the reasons the Engineers want to kill humans, read the two articles I highlighted in #234. They go into a lot of detail, and most of the information comes courtesy of Ridley Scott.

The Engineers’ motives are very different to what some people here seem to think.

298. MJ - June 13, 2012

@290. Jai, well said. Thanks for intervening here, dude, and cooling things down.

299. MJ - June 13, 2012

@297. Perhaps humans on earth were just the first stage of what the Engineers wanted, and they were preparing a mission to earth to introduce new biological modifiers to further change us…perhaps either into weapons, or perhaps to create a more perfect being than themselves.

300. MJ - June 13, 2012

@296 “Possibly the best 3D I’ve seen since “Avatar”; and both movies made me genuinely feel as though I were on another planet. Kudos to both Ridley Scott and James Cameron…”

Well said. I agree 100%

301. THX-1138 - June 13, 2012

Well I finally saw Prometheus. And I, too, am on the fence.

Visually, it was stunning. The writing was flat as can be. The characters were actually more caricature than fleshed out people. And I thought it was pretty dumb to put a huge spoiler at the front of the movie. You can always hold back on the reveal but when it’s one of the first scenes of the film you leave yourself nowhere to go, save for a bunch of “gee whiz” visuals. Like a vapid starlet, it was great to look at but lacked any depth.

I was given a recorded reading of the “leaked” script about 6 months ago. It was sort of close to what I saw on-screen but way off in other areas. I had based a lot of my assumptions on that piece of fakery. In some ways, though, it might have made a better movie. Perhaps because I knew what Prometheus was about (as if the title didn’t give it away somewhat) I didn’t have any sense of wonder going in. And yes, there are plot holes. I don’t want to give away any spoilers but the motivation of all the characters is completely in question.

All in all, I would have rather the Prometheus and her crew just done some exploring and stumbled upon LV223 rather than that be their destination from the get-go. That would have made everything that happened in the movie more of a discovery rather than a disappointment. And I think that has a lot to do with the reaction the movie is getting. The story of Prometheus is one of disappointment and failure and I think it has subconsciously translated to people’s reaction to it.

302. Whalien - June 13, 2012

#293 — I hope there’s more to it than just the Engineers seeing mankind as a threat due to technology. That was already done in The Day The Earth Stood Still. I think Ridley is going down a different path and a different motivation. If you read the articles where he refers to the Engineers as “dark angels” I think that goes a way towards telling us what direction he is going in with this.

The religion elements — I believe — will factor heavily into the sequels. My theory is there was a civil war amongst the Engineers and it resulted in “good Engineers (Angels/Heaven)” and “bad Engineers (Demons/Devil/Hell)”. I think the ones we saw in the prolog were the good ones (the ones in the saucers) and the bad ones are the ones we meet later on. There may have been a civil war amongst the Engineers and the bad ones are out to destroy mankind because they see mankind as a threat AS a creation of the good Engineers…maybe mankind was created as weapon against the BAD Engineers?

That’s my theory…

303. Vultan - June 13, 2012

#301

I think I saw that leaked script from way back. Was it the one with Ash (or an android like him) being programmed at the end of the movie?

304. MJ - June 13, 2012

@310. “And I thought it was pretty dumb to put a huge spoiler at the front of the movie. You can always hold back on the reveal but when it’s one of the first scenes of the film you leave yourself nowhere to go, save for a bunch of “gee whiz” visuals. Like a vapid starlet, it was great to look at but lacked any depth.”

I disagree completely with this. That would be like cutting the apes-monolith scene out of 2001. That scene being shown at the beginning of the movie was ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL.

“I was given a recorded reading of the “leaked” script about 6 months ago”

No wonder you view the first part of the movie as a spoiler — you knew about it 6 months ahead of time, and thus its impact was completely minimized for you, which is unfortunate to your viewing experience from the movie. And you noted this in your post, so it sounds like you may agree with me on this?

From my perspective, on this type of movie, reading the script in advance would pretty much have spoiled the whole movie for me and would have colored my view of the movie. So yes, it is completely understandable to me why you did not get as much out of the movie as you might have otherwise if you had seen it “unspoiled.”

305. MJ - June 13, 2012

@302 “The religion elements — I believe — will factor heavily into the sequels. My theory is there was a civil war amongst the Engineers and it resulted in “good Engineers (Angels/Heaven)” and “bad Engineers (Demons/Devil/Hell)”. I think the ones we saw in the prolog were the good ones (the ones in the saucers) and the bad ones are the ones we meet later on. There may have been a civil war amongst the Engineers and the bad ones are out to destroy mankind because they see mankind as a threat AS a creation of the good Engineers…maybe mankind was created as weapon against the BAD Engineers?”

I like this theory!!!

306. dmduncan - June 13, 2012

292: “On a separate subject: The cause of everything going wrong ? My spoiler-free answer: You’re right about one of the main instigators, but several other people were pulling the strings (one in particular)”

SPOILER ALERT!!!

David was Weyland’s representative, and that was who told him to “try harder.” Ultimately it’s all Weyland’s fault. But David is the one who executed everything. It isn’t clear if David was the one who decided how best to “try harder.” But if I didn’t know he was a robot, I would say he was fixated on Shaw. So there’s some real ambiguity in there about how David experienced the world.

His replies to Holloway were priceless.

290: Thank you, and you are right. That kind of stuff doesn’t work on me.

297. Jai – June 13, 2012

I didn’t read the articles. Just based on the clues in the movie I would say the Engineers were bringing the Apocalypse before they lost control of their means of delivery. If we recall history at the time they were scheduled to arrive, it isn’t hard to think that maybe they were right.

On the other hand, there’s the example represented by Elizabeth Shaw.

The Engineers may have been disappointed in their creation, but Shaw was also deeply disappointed in them. And that’s also part of the answer to the question about how Shaw got her faith back.

David’s replies also kept repeating the same theme about the relationship between creator and created, so this was an important part of the movie. It wasn’t haphazardly tacked on.

307. Whalien - June 13, 2012

Thanks, MJ — I look forward to seeing how it plays out. I don’t think Ridley would have gone down the “Ancient Aliens” road without having a good reason for it. That, plus what he’s said about religion in this kind of leads me to think this is where he’s going…if not this, then something similar. Should make for a great trilogy of films!

308. THX-1138 - June 13, 2012

OK, that was odd. I answered you Vults but both my comment and my screen name and email disappeared.

I think it might be the same as I seem to recall the android being at or near the end.

And MJ:

Glad you have your opinion. I don’t share it. You use 2001 as an example and I use Jaws. Or King Kong. Everyone has been waiting to see what the …ahem….certain character from “Alien” looked like, and 2 minutes in, there he is. And as far as because I heard a recording of a leaked script that was fake, it hardly counts as a spoiler. Ridley Scott himself has been saying for quite a while before the movie was made that he would like to tell a story focusing on the “Space Jockey”. It was hardly a secret that there would be Space Jockeys…er….”engineers” in Prometheus. I would have rather had some of the anticipation built up for their appearance, that’s all.

309. Whalien - June 13, 2012

#306 — Great observations — and by the way, I enjoy reading your comments here! You and MJ actually have something to say worth reading and aren’t here to fight. That’s refreshing!! :-)

310. dmduncan - June 13, 2012

284: “Jack did say that there are about seven of us who dominate the boards. I guess I could be seen as one of them. I don’t think any one of us intends to dominate anything.”

Dominate creates images of conquest. Not crazy about that word. I think what happens is that the talkback consists of those people who like to post here. That’s about it.

And I certainly have never sought a moment when I could highfive myself after a series of exchanges and say “Nobody left with a different opinion! SuhWEET!” A different opinion is not a threat to my own, so I never feel like I have to stop anyone else from having theirs to save mine.

311. dmduncan - June 13, 2012

309. Whalien – June 13, 2012

Thanks! I appreciate it!

312. MJ - June 13, 2012

@308. THX-1138 — Surely though you must agree that anytime a person knows the entire story and details of a movie ahead of time, that that is naturally going to reduce the impact of the movie-going experience on that person. Unless they are Vulcan, perhaps! :-)

313. THX-1138 - June 13, 2012

But MJ, the script was a fake. It was not a script of the movie Prometheus. I could not be spoiled by something that was not real.

Besides, the very title itself is a spoiler. It doesn’t take a genius to read Ridley Scott’s comments about the direction he was going to go and then have the movie titled “Prometheus” and put 2 and 2 together.

314. MJ - June 13, 2012

@313. OK, well your earlier post did not really say fake; it sounded more like an early version of the script, as you mentioned some parts of the movie were the same. So you confused me a bit on that???

Given it was a fake, OK, I withdraw my comments on this then.

315. THX-1138 - June 13, 2012

#314

No worries, mate. It was probably in one of my comments that got deleted.

Maybe I just wanted Prometheus to be something different than what it was. it was a great experience to be in the theater and watching this beautiful sci-fi movie that didn’t have stupid fighting robots or some other nonsense.

But at the end of the day I would have to put it on a par with Avatar. Don’t get me wrong, I liked Avatar. But it wasn’t the mind-blowing experience that we were being sold. With both movies I eagerly anticipate seeing where the directors decide to take us if and when a sequel is made.

I still rate recent-ish scifi movies such as District 9, Children of Men, Moon, and Sunshine as being better movies. I think Avatar and Prometheus aspire to be those movies, and that is a good thing. In both cases I would think an improvement to the writing of dialogue and fleshing out the characters would go far to realize this.

316. Hugh Hoyland - June 13, 2012

Interesting pics I looked at today of a different approach they originally had with the mutated crew member ( Fifield).

Seemed more proto Xeno in nature, and not unlike the snake creature in the temple.

317. Captain Ransom - June 13, 2012

#314:

what did you think of the divide? i thought it was decent sci fi, especially michael biehn’s performance. i didn’t really like the whole ‘lord of the flies’ conclusion though.

318. MJ - June 13, 2012

@317. Is that out on DVD/Blu-ray yet? I would like to see that movie, but missed it in the theaters.

319. MJ - June 13, 2012

@315. Like 3 of the 4 movies you mentioned a lot, but thought the 2nd half of Sunshine really stunk.

320. Sebastian S. - June 13, 2012

# 301

THX~

Agreed. 5 days later and I’m still on the fence as well….

That was another of my issues with it (as you pointed out); the characters were largely archetypal. Vickers the cool corporate b!tch, Dr. Shaw, the ‘nice’ girl who ultimately survives (right out of the “Friday the 13th” movie handbook), David, the quasi-evil HAL 9000-ish android, etc. Even the Captain reminded me a bit of ALIEN’s ‘Capt. Dallas’ with his laid back manner and last minute heroics. None of the secondary characters were really all that interesting or inventive, either. They were largely just redshirts in spacesuits, waiting to be slaughtered. There were no real Ellen Ripleys or Roy Battys in this bunch (both very innovative characters in their day, by the way). None of Prometheus’ characters were particularly memorable, sadly (other than Fassbender’s David).

Ridley Scott spent so much time tackling grandiose questions about our place in the universe and creating such utterly GORGEOUS images (Prometheus is one of the most stunning scifi movies I’ve since “Sunshine” and “Avatar”) that it almost felt as if characters were a bit of an afterthought.

Again, my feelings on this film are so complex. I really would like to see it again but I’m not sure if a repeat viewing will reinforce my negative feelings for it, or my positive feelings. Right now I’m still skirting that ambiguous zone between admiration and disappointment. I almost worry seeing it again might push it one way or another. Or worse; I might feel EXACTLY about the film as I do right now… which is kind of maddening (LOL).

What to do? I think I’ll see it again. Why? Because I’m a scifi geek and if nothing else, it’s GREAT eye candy…. ;-)

321. Sebastian S. - June 13, 2012

# 319 MJ

Agreed about the latter half of Sunshine, but that first half was AMAZING! Too bad they decided to turn it from a “2001″ type of film into a “Freddy Kruger” horror movie. Visually, it was an awesome movie throughout, however. I admire how Danny Boyle (much like Steven Soderbergh) jumps fearlessly from genre to genre to genre (“127 Hours” was another triumph of his).

I also recently saw (via Fathom Events, at my local AMC theatre) the Danny Boyle stage play of “Frankenstein” starring Benedict Cumberbatch as the monster. That was phenomenal. Gave me even more hope for the Star Trek sequel…

322. Whalien - June 14, 2012

#316 — Where are these pictures?

323. Hugh Hoyland - June 14, 2012

# 322

I believe their from the book “Art of Prometheus”. I dont think we’re allowed to post links here unfortunately. But the pics where from someone over on IMDB.

You may have some luck is you google something like “Original pics of mutated crew member from Prometheus” or something like that.

324. Jai - June 14, 2012

MJ, re: #298:

“@297. Perhaps humans on earth were just the first stage of what the Engineers wanted, and they were preparing a mission to earth to introduce new biological modifiers to further change us…perhaps either into weapons, or perhaps to create a more perfect being than themselves.”

Good theory, but no. The Engineers’ aims were very different. Read those two articles in #234.

I read your comment about Kingdom of Heaven on the IMAX thread. I had exactly the same reactions to the theatrical version and the much better “extended Director’s Cut”. The second version is one of my favourite historical epics; it’s a beautifully made film, in every aspect. Ridley Scott has said he regrets not releasing that version in the cinemas instead.

Ridley Scott has also very recently said there’s at least 27 minutes of unused (and useable) extra footage for Prometheus. Ridley doesn’t seem to have made his mind up yet about how that’ll be incorporated in the DVD release (eg. as part of the “deleted scenes” functions via the menu, or added to the actual movie), but I have a feeling there will be an improved, much longer “extended DVD Director’s Cut” of Prometheus in the end.

325. Jai - June 14, 2012

Whalien, re: #302:

“I think Ridley is going down a different path and a different motivation. If you read the articles where he refers to the Engineers as “dark angels” I think that goes a way towards telling us what direction he is going in with this.

The religion elements — I believe — will factor heavily into the sequels.”

They definitely will. You’ve read the articles where Ridley Scott goes into quite a lot of detail about all that. I also like your own theory as a possible option, and I was already wondering if the actual Titan Prometheus is going to make an appearance in the sequels too, depending on how long-lived the Engineers are. He’d obviously be on the side of the humans, which would add another interesting twist to the story.

Given the original name of the movie and the probable name of the sequel (discussed in some of Ridley Scott’s latest interviews), I expect they could well continue along a “Milton” theme too, if you catch my drift.

Re: #307:

“I don’t think Ridley would have gone down the “Ancient Aliens” road without having a good reason for it.”

It’s all deliberate – Erich von Daniken etc aren’t directly mentioned in the movie, but their theories and the whole “Ancient Aliens” thing are some of the main influences on the Prometheus saga’s themes.

326. Jai - June 14, 2012

DMDuncan, re: #306:

“I didn’t read the articles. Just based on the clues in the movie I would say the Engineers were bringing the Apocalypse before they lost control of their means of delivery. If we recall history at the time they were scheduled to arrive, it isn’t hard to think that maybe they were right.”

You should definitely check out the articles; you’ll really like them. They’re only spoilers for people who haven’t seen the movie yet. For the rest of us, they just confirm what some of us already figured out, they clarify a few other things, and they generally point us in the right direction. Your own conclusions are definitely on the right lines, though.

I’m guessing you also picked up on the symbolism and famous religious connotations of the “feet-washing” scene.

And the similar “wraparound” clothing of the Engineers and one of the main people who ended up confronting them. (I’m still trying to keep this spoiler-free !)

There’s also the issue of who created the “creators” (ie. the Engineers), with all the questions that involves for the survivors in the movie along with the audience.

327. dmduncan - June 14, 2012

326. Jai – June 14, 2012

SPOILER ALERT!!!

The feet washing scene, and the very beginning where the engineer sacrifices himself not only so that the world may live, but so that it would be created in his image. The sacrificed god giving birth to creation by his sacrifice.

Today I was wondering why the engineer ripped the head off of David. I am thinking he wasn’t angry at first. David was the only one who spoke or came close enough to speaking his language. The look on Weyland’s face was priceless when the engineer puts his hand on David’s head as if to say “My son.”

I’m also thinking that is when the engineer realizes that the only one who speaks his language is the one who is not a real person, but a machine. Not only is he outraged that he was tricked, but that they made an “idol” in the image of “god.”

It probably made him want to complete his mission more than ever.

328. dmduncan - June 14, 2012

Anyway, I’m going to see it one more time in 3D. I was that impressed. Shaw, David, and Janek were as memorable as any of the characters in Alien, and I’m eager to see them one more time. I can’t praise Noomi Rapace enough. She gave a strong performance in some instantly classic scenes.

329. Whalien - June 14, 2012

Great comments, Jai!!

The good news is Prometheus is doing very well at the box office considering its rated R and up against a summer kids movie — Madagascar 3. Hopefully, Fox is happy with the returns so far and it will continue to hold its own through this weekend.

We need it to hold that number two spot at the box office a little longer.

Looking forward to the sequels. Originally, there was another director assigned to Prometheus — if Ridley is too busy to direct it, maybe that director could direct the sequel and Ridley could produce?

James Cameron has talked about it too…so, hopefully it will happen — and not more than two years from now. The sooner the better!!

330. dmduncan - June 14, 2012

BTW, a bit of trivia: The beautiful end credits theme from Alien was not actually Jerry Goldsmith’s score!

That was from Symphony # 2 by Howard Hanson, and it was apparently used without Hanson’s permission! It also served as a model for John Williams E.T. score.

331. MJ - June 14, 2012

@330. Wow, poor Hanson must have went to his grave a really pissed off dude.

332. dmduncan - June 14, 2012

@331: The symphony was actually written in I think 1934. Hanson was 83 when Alien was released and he died a couple years after. Maybe he was just too old to fight, because he didn’t.

333. Sebastian S. - June 14, 2012

# 330

ALIEN also used Mozart’s Eine Kleine Nachtmusik (the scene where Dallas is relaxing by himself in the shuttle cabin before he goes to the infirmary to see Kane). And I’d bet it was probably also used without permission.

Poor Mozart….

;-D

334. Captain Ransom - June 14, 2012

#318:

yes. i bought it the day it was released. probably michael biehn’s best role since aliens. unfortunately, he was the only character that had any depth. i thought it would have been better if they had explored a little more about what was happening outside but still a solid movie.

335. dmduncan - June 14, 2012

@334: I remember the trailer for The Divide, I wanted to see it, then it dropped off my radar until you just mentioned it. I’ll check Amazon to see if I can stream it. Thanks for reminding me.

336. Hugh Hoyland - June 15, 2012

#322

You can find some of those pics and more of the concept art from the film at the link below.

http://www.prometheusnews.net

337. Hugh Hoyland - June 15, 2012

Before this thread gets knocked down to far I’ll repeat my thoughts on the film. Remember this is just one mans opinion and I suggest that you see the film yourself and make up your own mind. (IMAX if possible).

First, I havent been this geeked over a movie since Star Trek 09.

My over all Grade: A.

I love movies that have an effect on me. All do, but this one has a strong effect not unlike Blade Runner and Alien. IMO its an instant classic.

Also Prometheus is a template for world building, Scott is a master at it.

This movie has a universe of possibilities where its story can go. I hope a sequel is greenlit and Scott can get to work on “Paradise”. (Or whatever its going to be called lol).

338. Jai - June 15, 2012

Some final thoughts from me before this thread wraps up.

Whalien, re: #329:

Ridley Scott sounds pretty keen to direct the sequel himself, so hopefully there will be plenty of demand for it. The film’s current success in the cinemas and the inevitable retail success of any Kingdom of Heaven-style improved, greatly extended “Director’s Cut” DVD should guarantee the chances of the sequel going ahead.

339. Jai - June 15, 2012

DMDuncan, re: #327:

Yep, with hindsight there were a lot of other obvious religious references. Well, obvious to people who know about all that. It’s great how Ridley Scott gives the audience’s intelligence some credit and assumes they’ll pick up on the high-brow references scattered throughout the movie without everything having to be patronisingly dumbed-down for them; he’s assuming a certain amount of real-world knowledge and deliberately making the audience use their brains. Ridley discussed that too in one of the articles in #234.

And I loved your explanation of the Engineer’s response to David ;) Sounds pretty accurate. I’d been wondering about that too.

340. Hugh Hoyland - June 15, 2012

#338

Yes I think this movie will make enough at the BO to get a sequel. But how long that will take is another question.

Scott has one film “The Counsellor” that may be in the works soon, not to mention “Blade Runner 2″ so it may be a while before we see Prometheus 2.

But your right about the “Directors Cut”, which I’ll get for sure. It may even contain the “Alien Prequel” script (The original script that was more “Alien” in theme, eggs, Xenomorphs, chestbursters, ect.)

341. PaulB. - June 16, 2012

I take back all of my criticisms of Prometheus. It is a truly brilliant film, because it so perfectly depicted what would happen if the people in Idiocracy developed space travel.

342. MJ - June 16, 2012

@341. Perhaps your post is what we get when the idiocracy visits Trekmovie.com?

:-))

343. PaulB - June 16, 2012

#342 – Ladies and gentlemen, the great and wonderful MJ! Just couldn’t leave my comment alone, huh? I comment on the movie, you attack me. But I was wrong to complain before…yep. Whatever.

344. Whalien - June 17, 2012

Still the #2 movie at the box office!!! YESSS!! :-)

345. Whalien - June 17, 2012

LOL @ #342

346. spooky - June 17, 2012

Overall, I tried to enjoy the movie but some parts were so glaring that they ruin the movie at key points in viewing it. I felt the movie was too slow at the beginning with them discovering the cave paintings. This information is repeated later in the movie during the presentation by Shaw and Holloway. I also felt that the reveal of the Engineers at the beginning a misstep. They could have started aboard the ship with David as the crew were waking up, ala Alien. The other element that ruins the movie are the characters and their actions. The Holloway character was completely silly, he goes from scientist to moron in a span of 10 minutes after landing on the planet. The geologist never even looks at any rocks in the surrounding environment or even convinces me as a viewer that that is what he is there for. There is no devotion attempted to show or flesh out these characters. The biologist is a complete moron and I felt his scenes were pontless and I laughed at the silliness of his demise. The captain is simply there to get laid and crash the ship. The other characters are cyphers. The introduction of another character at the tail end of the movie does nothing to enrich the characterizations throughout. Nobody seens to care that Shaw has a giant stapled slit across her belly or the fact that she left a creature in the medical bay. The zombified geologist who appears later in the film just made me laugh, it wasn’t scary or fresh. It just came off like the script writers were reaching. The only characters I found reasonably interesting were Shaw, David and Vickers. The other problem with the movie is the the machinations of the script, it was so heavy handed, watch the last 20 minutes of the movie. Shaw being heroine, the way Vickers was dispatched, the actions of the Prometheus crew on the ship, etc. The thorough story was interesting I just wish that it was explored more in depth. Not focussing on herding the sheep characters to their purpose in the script. I understand that the script doctor for the original script is one of the other writers for Star Trek 2009 and 2013?! I also read that he is being hired to another film project to give it a kick. I think the producers of said project should reevaluate their decision to hire him based on his work on television and this film. Prometheus could have been a great story had the characters acted more like real people. If the story actually focused on a few of its own ideas and answered a good chunk of them. Not posed so many redundant questions or deliberately funnelled characters actions to plot points. One of the last scenes in the movie was also pointless, I wish it had been removed. I can however, still see past this movie and expect a far superior sequel because their are still some questions left unanswered. The movie looks gorgeous though in 3d and the visual effects were top notch for this type of film. I also understand that there were more scenes from the film that were deleted such as the revelation of an Elder race that created the Engineers. To me, there were too many misstep with this entry but enough interesting bits to funnel to a superior sequel, I should hope. :)

347. MJ - June 17, 2012

@346

par·a·graph/ˈparəˌgraf/
Noun:
A distinct section of a piece of writing, usually dealing with a single theme and indicated by a new line, indentation, or numbering.

348. Azrael - June 17, 2012

@346. As I said earlier you cannot place all the blame on Damon Lindeloff, he was just ONE writer, and not in final control of the script. The real blame for all of the problems you mention belongs to Ridley Scott himself, if it belongs to anyone and if these “problems” arent just a factor of your own personality and preconceptions.

To attempt to place the blame for these things on Damon and to say that the people who hire him need to “reevaluate” their decision is highly illogical and not even slightly based in reality. IF there is any real blane to be given then Damon should get some, as should all of the writers, but the “lion’s share” of the blame should go to Ridley, who was in final control of all aspects of the film.

349. Azrael - June 17, 2012

@347. Excellent point MJ, and very well made :)

350. PaulB - June 17, 2012

#346 – Exactly! And don’t worry about MJ’s comment: He has a form of Tourette’s Syndrome that makes him post needless, hateful comments to people who express even a modicum of common sense about this movie. He thinks posting definitions makes him look smart, but your ability to see through the stupidity in Prometheus puts you way ahead of him.

351. Red Dead Ryan - June 17, 2012

#350.

Wow, what class! NOT! You say MJ has Tourrette’s Syndrome? That’s pretty low of you. Not to mention incredibly ignorant. TS has nothing to do with posting hateful posts. If it did, then you’d be the one diagnosed with TS. I’d say you’re stricken with “head up own ass” syndrome!

352. PaulB - June 17, 2012

#351 – Knock it off. If you think I was seriously saying that Tourette’s makes people post comments, you don’t understand how to read with any level of comprehension. Seriously, you have issues if you think I seriously meant that TS makes people post comments, rather than joking that MJ has a disorder that makes him post without self-control, which would be LIKE A FORM OF TOURETTE’S. It’s called a metaphor. Any dictionary can explain it to you.

I posted ONE comment after all this time, and MJ insulted me. Spooky posted one comment, and MJ jumped on it. And then YOU say I have “head up own ass” syndrome. After all the insults and crap from you and MJ around here, I am DEFINITELY not the problem.

Anthony, I haven’t done ANYTHING to earn this crap from them, yet here it is. Either you run a friendly site or you don’t, but if you allow their attacks on me and others, then Trekmovie won’t be worth visiting anymore–or recommending. You already warned us, but to no avail. I stayed quiet until they’d run their course, popped up with a comment, and SLAM, here come the insults.

You really should do something, Anthony, since every time I or any other non-fan of Prometheus post something about THE MOVIE, MJ and RDR attack us personally. I’ve been posting here for a year or two, I believe, and these two are driving me off with their incessant insults. I can only imagine how the newcomers feel, especially the much younger ones. They won’t say anything about it as I’m doing now; they’ll just stop visiting this site if they get attacked every time they say anything that displeases MJ or Red Dead Ryan.

Please do something about it; asking them to play nice didn’t work. I’ve tried to get along with these two, or as that we ignore each other, but look what comes from them. I am NOT the problem here.

353. spooky - June 17, 2012

MJ – June 17, 2012

If you want to play grammar teacher… go right ahead. This isn’t grammar school, go read a book if you’re a paragraph/gramma fetishist! :P

348. Azrael – June 17, 2012

You are right about Damon Lindelof, it was very unfair of me to have put all the blame there. Jon Spaights and Ridley himself were heavily involved in the whole affair.

Have a happy life, all!

354. NanoTechDudeLA - June 18, 2012

@346

I agree completely with you.

Unfortunately, the script and the final product is a total mess. A bunch of dated shallow ideas mixed up with great visuals into a mediocre sci-fi flick.

Cheers!

355. Dr. Image - June 18, 2012

Finally saw it last night. What a disappointing mess.
All that money for THAT? Yes, the production design was brilliant, but were people afraid to call Ridley on all the lapses of logic and motivation… and everything else that didn’t make sense?? Almost as bad as Inception.
How the mighty have fallen.
And not to mention, except for Fassbender and Rapace, the acting sucked.
Weyland reminded me of old Biff from BTTFII.

356. Whalien - June 18, 2012

Man, Prometheus ROCKED!!! I’m going to go see it a third time Saturday!! 3D IMAX too!! Oh yeah, baby!!!

I’m going to single-handedly boost the domestic box office take for this film so p2 will arrive as soon as possible!!!

Cannot WAIT for the sequel!!! You crybabies who can’t enjoy a good mo ie should stay HOME next time!!

Go spend your money on Pirates of the Carribean 10 or some ilk like that!! Yeah!!!

357. spooky - June 18, 2012

356. Whalien – June 18, 2012

Go sit alone in the theatre… only the echo of your farts to keep you company!

358. Whalien - June 18, 2012

You’ll be keeping me company? HAHAHAHA!!!

359. dmduncan - June 21, 2012

346: “Nobody seens to care that Shaw has a giant stapled slit across her belly or the fact that she left a creature in the medical bay.”

I stopped reading your post after the above quoted line because it proves you didn’t pay attention to the movie.

Nobody cared about her stapled belly? Nobody KNEW about her stapled belly except David. That’s David, the ROBOT. Who tried to make sure she fulfilled her function as an incubator for the creature. And who was incapable of feeling “care.”

Ditto for the creature. It wasn’t in a medical bay, it was in Vickers’ PRIVATE escape ship which had a medpod on it. And nobody KNEW it was there, because nobody KNEW she had it in her (see exception above), and therefore nobody KNEW she had removed it (see exception above).

So your criticism is as off target as it is possible to get. Don’t blame the movie for imaginary flaws that you create by not paying attention.

I have never seen so many awfully bad reviews of such a good movie. It makes me think there is some other deeper reason people on this site do not like it, having more to do with its portrayal of our origins. Because I haven’t heard this much trouble from people over a good movie since Scorcese’s Last Temptation of Christ. Only in that case it was some Christians getting themselves unhappy over what they saw and heard in the theater.

360. dmduncan - June 21, 2012

ERROR ALERT!!! I was wrong about that. David was NOT the only one who knew about her belly. She stumbled in on Weyland BEFORE she put on her suit, while Weyland’s servants were preparing him to meet the engineer!

What I should have said was the people who might have been expected to care — those outside of Weyland’s clique of servants — did not know. When Janek finds her after the operation she zips up her suit, hiding the wound before he can see it, and after that it is no longer visible.

Ironically, the only one who knows and who DOES show any concern is THE ROBOT, who covers her! And that was purposeful because it made the humans in that room seem even more cold than the robot, which humans were fixated on one thing and one thing only which was the real purpose (concealed) of the mission, i.e., to get Weyland to the engineers in the hopes of extending his life, which itself is an explanation why they did nothing to help her.

Everyone in the room with Weyland were all corporate types on a mission for their leader, and really didn’t care what happened to Charlie or Ellie at all.

So though I was wrong about who knew, the explanation for their behavior is clear and understandable given the types of people they were. And really, to be expected given the franchise this is a part of where the corporation always treats everyone as expendable.

361. Ahmed - June 22, 2012

If they are going to make a sequel, I hope they will get someone else other than Damon Lindelof to write it.

362. NanoTechDudeLA - June 23, 2012

Prometheus was a total mess, and a big disappointment. I think that Mr. Scott and Mr. Lindelof must feel truly embarrassed, at least on the inside, after seeing the final product. If they do not, they must be very similar to their fanboys – pseudo-intellectuals selling/buying cheap, shallow philosophy.

363. Ahmed - June 23, 2012

@362. NanoTechDudeLA

I agree it was total mess but I think it is was Lindelof who should be blamed for that.

The script was awful with lousy dialogue and dump characters who didn’t know why they were there to begin with, the only exception was David and Dr. Shaw.

364. PaulB - June 23, 2012

#362 – I won’t call fans of this movie “pseudo-intellectuals.” That’s a bit too dismissive and generally insulting. I just think they (and audiences in general) have lowered their expectations too much over the years. In a world of Michael Bay movies and “Final Destination Part ???,” and Adam Sandler movies, and SyFy Channel movies, audiences have become accustomed to getting a lot of crap with only a few morsels of quality. They accept pretty movies because they rarely get smart-and-pretty movies.

Yes, some Prometheus fans are pseudo-thinkers, proclaiming such questions as “Where did we come from?” to be profound even though the movie does nothing to explore that question. But I think most of them simply accept the stupidity with the spectacle because (a) they don’t know anything different or (b) it’s better than nothing.

Just imagine Prometheus with SMART characters doing SMART things instead of the idiotfest we have. The movie would still be visually stunning, beautifully filmed, and exciting, but it would also be INTELLIGENT. Why can’t we have both?

The only fans I’d really call pseudo-intellectuals are the ones defending Prometheus as an intelligent film. It’s not, it’s objectively stupid, as has been explained by thousands of people by now. It’s one thing to say, “I love the movie no matter how stupid the characters are!” That’s fine, enjoy it! But to say it’s intelligent or deep is simply untrue, and that’s pseudo-intellectualism.

Most fans are used to eating McDonald’s as “food” and Michael Bay movies as “entertainment,” so the success of Prometheus is no surprise. But it could been so much better, and so much deeper–so much more.

365. NanoTechDudeLA - June 23, 2012

@363
I don’t know… After giving us movies such as Alien and Blade Runner, I cannot really understand how Prometheus happened to Mr. Scott? Did he even read the script? Did he check the final product?

@364
I was targeting that kind of fans… I should have written “fanboys who find Prometheus intelligent and deep”. I don’t think it’s too harsh to call someone pseudo-intellectual, if it’s true. I am not an American, so the political correctness USA-style is “alien” to me.

366. Rick - June 24, 2012

Wow the reviews are so mixed on this film I am still not sure if I should invest time and money to see it! Heck even my own friends seem to be split on this film. Oh well…

367. Whalien - June 24, 2012

Yes, Rick…go see it!!

At least then you can form your OWN opinion.

Take your friends with you! :-)

368. Azrael - June 24, 2012

@363. Ridley Scott, was in final control of all aspects of the film, Damon Lindeloff was not, if th movie is really that bad (still havent seem it so I cant say) then the blame does in fact lie much more with Scott than with Lindeloff, who was after all only ONE of the writers on the movie.

369. Ahmed - June 24, 2012

@368. Azrael – June 24, 2012

“@363. Ridley Scott, was in final control of all aspects of the film, Damon Lindeloff was not, if th movie is really that bad (still havent seem it so I cant say) then the blame does in fact lie much more with Scott than with Lindeloff, who was after all only ONE of the writers on the movie.”

Jon Spaihts wrote an early draft of the script but then Scott contacted Damon Lindeloff to rewrite it. The end result was a script by Damon Lindeloff with some small elements from Spaihts.

Many who watched the movie, tend to agree that the script was the weakest part of the movie. Even a brilliant director like Ridley Scott can’t make a good movie from a weak script.

370. Azrael - June 25, 2012

With respect Vultan, my philosophy is, and will always be, “He who has the final say takes the final blame” Period. If Ridley had a problem with the script, and judging by his statements about it he did not, he could have called for a new rewrite, or replaced Lindeloff with yet another writer, but he did none of those things. All other considerations are irrelevant when the final product was glowingly accepted by Ridley, who (also judging by his own comments) thinks Prometheus is the best work he has ever done.

371. Azrael - June 25, 2012

Woops sorry, that last post was directed to Ahmed not Vultan, not sure how I screwed that up.

372. Ahmed - June 25, 2012

@371. Azrael

Granted, Ridley Scott is the director and he has the final say but that shouldn’t mean that Lindeloff is not responsible as well in writing that crappy script.

I admit that I’m not very objective here, Ridley Scott is my favorite director of all time and I enjoyed most of his movies.

If the movie made enough money and they went with a sequel, I hope they will pick another writer.

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