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Khan30: Harve Bennett, DeForest Kelley & Nick Meyer Talk Star Trek II In Rare BTS Footage June 13, 2012

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Feature Films (TMP-NEM),History,Viral Video/Mashup/Images , trackback

TrekMovie continues to celebrate June as Wrath of Khan month in honor of the 30th anniversary of what we still think of as the best Star Trek feature film. Today we have Star Trek II behind the scenes footage from Entertainment Tonight in 1982 which features director Nick Meyer, producer Harve Bennett and actor DeForest Kelley talking about the movie. You can also see some scenes being shot and catch Leonard Nimoy’s final day on the set. Watch it below.

 

Watch: Behind the scenes on Star Trek II

Watch this cool behind the scenes video from the making of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, featuring interview snippets with DeForest Kelley, producer Harve Bennett, and director Nicholas Meyer. Notably Kelley and Bennett talk about how Star Trek II will be bringing back the feeling of the Star Trek TV series that was "missing" from Star Trek: The Motion Picture. You also can see Leonard Nimoy’s last day on set. Also of note, Meyer refers to the film as Star Trek II: The Undiscovered Country (which was the original title until it was nixed by the studio, obviously Meyer got his chance to use that subtitle later for Star Trek VI in 1991)

via Entertainment Tonight.

More Star Trek II coverage coming soon. Later today we will have the first part of our exclusive interview with Nicholas Meyer, where he talks about reports that Khan originally had a son in Wrath of Khan.

Comments

1. Harry Ballz - June 13, 2012

Rare footage?? Ya gotta LOVE it!!

2. Trek Or Treat - June 13, 2012

Cool to see those behind the scenes shots. I know exactly where each one of them was in the movie!

3. "Check the Circuit! - June 13, 2012

Very cool! Where the heck did they find that little treasure?

4. Jeffro Bodeen - June 13, 2012

Amazing footage! Feels like an interview for a new movie today. Myers says trek can’t be without Spock!

5. TomBot3000 - June 13, 2012

Love that ol’ School… Thanks. DeForest Kelly; what a gem!

6. MJ - June 13, 2012

Wow, the video quality on this is amazing….looks like ET has went back to its master film and redone this to HD! Very cool!

7. AJ - June 13, 2012

ET (and later, MTV) always had the best coverage of Trek features, and then the TNG+ years, due to the fact that they were Paramount.

John Tesh even got to stab Worf with a pain stick.

8. Montreal_Paul - June 13, 2012

Great footage.. loved the interviews. Nice find, Anthony.

9. Red Dead Ryan - June 13, 2012

Considering how old that footage is, it sure does look like it was filmed only yesterday (except, of course, in 16:9).

10. Son of Sarek - June 13, 2012

Outstanding find, enjoyed the footage from the sets and the interview with Nick Meyer and the late, great DeForest!

11. Red Dead Ryan - June 13, 2012

CORRECTION for #9 Post:

It should read: (except, of course, in 4:3 instead of 16:9)

12. Andy Patterson - June 13, 2012

Cool stuff. That Montalban behind the scenes stuff f the very shots that came out is great stuff!

13. THX-1138 - June 13, 2012

See? You can show stuff from the movie and not ruin things.

14. kmart - June 13, 2012

God, I remember seeing this the first time, way back when.

Wolowitz on BIG BANG should play Meyer in a biopic.

15. Stokiespock - June 13, 2012

Oh god great to see new stuff like that I love and always will love my passion for star trek and this film great to see new footage !!! And how good we’re them sets !!!! I always this the special addition of TWOK is the best !!!!

16. Chingatchkook - June 13, 2012

Now that was a gem of a clip. Awesome to see DeForest Kelly and Ricardo Montalbán.

17. Vultan - June 13, 2012

That was great! Kinda weird seeing Nimoy in his uniform and smiling. My God, Spock has pearly whites!

18. Admiral Kirk - June 13, 2012

makes me feel like i’m 6 seeing it for the first time all over again

19. Christopher Roberts - June 13, 2012

Never seen that before. Thank you for sharing.

DeForest was a real darlin’ and a naturally charming guy.

20. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - June 13, 2012

Some great stuff. Seen this many times back in 1982. I had the pleasure of seeing Trek 2 on the big screen here in Austin at the Alamo Draft House. Talking about feeling like a kid again.

21. Phil - June 13, 2012

Interesting comments on the uniforms….

22. Douglas - June 13, 2012

Really great footage! Especially watching Ricardo Montalban get ready for his scene and then perform it perfectly! What a pro he was. That was an Oscar worthy performance.

DeForest Kelly was the best ambassador that Trek ever had. Such an authentic down-to-earth personality. He was the real good soul of Star Trek.

I hope there is as interesting behind-the-scenes footage of the 2013 Trek.

23. Cosmo Kid - June 13, 2012

Amazing – This is a great discovery!

24. Frank - June 13, 2012

Wow, thought I saw everything about this movie! Thanks for this. Just terrific!

25. Bob Mack - June 13, 2012

Thanks for the De Kelley footage. More of the same would be extremely welcome!

26. scifib5st - June 13, 2012

ET was always doing stories about the ST movies, TV shows.. They were on the same lot. I bet ET or someone else could put out over 10 hrs of interview, behind the sceans video.

The quality on this video was great. Are they showing us a teaser for a new release of video?

Great job.

27. Sunfell - June 13, 2012

ET has some great archives. I was watching some of their stuff the other day. I hope they bring out more of these.

28. Captain Karl - June 13, 2012

Nick Meyer: Star Trek II: The Undiscovered Country.

So THAT’s where they got the title for VI!

29. Andy Patterson - June 13, 2012

It was always comforting to me to see Deforest Kelly after Star Trek, whether it was Merv Griffin, or whatever in later years. He was always exactly how and what I thought he should be —in any era.

Also, listening to Harve Bennett there tells me again what I always have thought they he was pretty intuitive about what it was all about and had a lot on the ball. I still think his ‘Academy Years’ idea that never happened would’ve been great. “Yes, I remember, it was required reading at ‘the Academy”, ……”John Gil was an instructor of mine at ‘The Academy’ “…… “I knew him Spock. We were classmates together at ‘the Academy’ “….. I mean, how many times did Kirk throw a quick reference out there about those years? Man! If there was anyone thing that solidified Trek lore and just ignited my imagination of things that were, it was hearing those quick little asides the writers cleverly inserted into episodes. That’s one of the many things I was disappointed about with the Abrams movie. Instead of really seeing the plethora of stories and new retconned character material that could have been explored (at least 3 or 4 good seasons of network run on TV I would say – who knows?)….I still say it would be a good idea. Missed opportunity now.

Instead we got “3 years later” and that was it.

30. ados - June 13, 2012

He tasks me..he tasks me…was a great line

31. danielcraigsmywookiebitch - June 13, 2012

I remember seeing that when I was a kid, and guess what didnt ruin or spoil anything from the first time i watched the film .

one of the many reasons i disagree with what Damon said about fans dont want to see unfinished or temporary footage.

there is nothing wrong with showing footage, to excite audiences. and keep in mind this was aired on ET a little less than year before the release of TWOK.

Also this clip again reminds us that Harve, and Nicholas “GOT” trek, I still dont fully believe that JJ “GETS” Trek.
dont get me wrong I ve said it before but I really enjoyed Trek 09, but it really did feel more like star trek than classic Trek.

If George ever decides to make episode 7-9 he should definately hire JJ, as I am sure we would get a excllent star wars movie from JJ

32. Mike Jones - June 13, 2012

Thanks for sharing! That was great to watch. :)

33. The Squire of Gothos - June 13, 2012

Awesome! Great to watch!!

34. Robert - June 13, 2012

This one really took me back. Star Trek II remains the standard by which all other Trek films are judged. The video quality was awesome, especially after 30 years.

35. BringBackKirkPrime - June 13, 2012

Wonderful to see DeForest. I’d love to see James Doohan in a similar interview as well.

36. Quatlo - June 13, 2012

Enjoyed seeing this, I missed it back in the day. Some trivia or gossip from way back then that maybe some of y’all here missed due to being a lot younger than me: One of those two female actresses who were background eye candy as part of Khan’s group posed in a nude layout back then very close to the release date of the film in GALLERY or a similar type magazine. Judson Scott (Joachim) and/or his agent got into a dispute with somebody at Paramount over where his name should appear in the film credits. They lost big time as his name didn’t appear in the credits at all. You don’t see that happen very often.

DeForest Kelley sure seems like a genuine Southern gentleman. I swear a heard a twinge in his voice here that really sounded like Gary Sinise’s voice. Gary probably would have been a very good choice for the updated Trek if the age difference between him and Karl Urban wasn’t 17 years or for whatever other reason(s). No disrespect at all intended to Karl Urban, who is excellent as Bones v2.0.

37. Obsidian - June 13, 2012

Great to see DeForest Kelley again. We all miss him.

I think “Undiscovered Country” was a better fit for II than VI. But regardless, it’s the coolest ST subtitle ever. I can nitpick some things I disagree with Nic Meyer on, but overall he’s the best thing that ever happened to Trek.

I wonder…. will JJ (2nd best thing that ever happend to Trek?) ever want Meyer to be involved again? To direct, or… whatever…

38. Captain CHIP die hard hockey TREKKIE! - June 13, 2012

And again, CONGRATULATIONS TO THE LOS ANGELES KING FOR BEING THE WINNERS OF THE STANLEY CUP ONCE AGAIN!!!

Did anyone happen to see Chris Pine in attendance of game 6? WOW! That was an instant classic!

39. pissed off virgin vulcan basement nerd - June 13, 2012

Vidi, veni.

40. Tarkov - June 13, 2012

This is FANTASTIC footage… amazing to see in such clarity after all these years. I wish ET would dig all of their Trek behind the scenes footage out and put it on a DVD. There’s some great stuff with John Tesh on the set of TNG as the sets are being constructed back in 87. Notice that Nimoy walks past the full sized travel pod set in this clip. Awesome! One of the best posts on this site!

41. Al - June 14, 2012

Nimoy’s teeth are startlingly white, more so than in life or in the movie. Odd

42. Mark Lynch - June 14, 2012

That was really great.

43. Matt - June 14, 2012

Anthony – what a treat, thanks so much for putting this up.

Why does the footage look so clear? It’s extraordinary.

44. Chris Roberts - June 14, 2012

“The Undiscovered Country” would have required explaination in a scene somewhere, as happened in Star Trek VI. It’s not really a good fit for II, if most the audience had gone Huh? Or howabout “Young at Heart”? :))

45. Richard Daystrom - June 14, 2012

Young Whipper Snappers, Back in the days before the WWW the only place you could get upcoming info on Star Trek movies was ET and Starlog Magazine. Can you imagine having to wait a month for the next issue or get lucky to catch a snippet of info from ET?
Back when ET started they actually were a pretty good source for upcoming movies and news and didn’t really report on Tabloid crap like they do now.

46. Lt. Dakin - June 14, 2012

I’ve wanted to see this again since I first saw it air, before I had a VCR!!

The quality is amazing and the behind the scenes is beyond belief!!

47. jas_montreal - June 14, 2012

the greatest trek movie. ever.

Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

48. s - June 14, 2012

De Forest Kelley sounds incredibly human, as usual. Great find. Thanks for sharing.

49. AnotherScott - June 14, 2012

Anyone else having problems getting the video to play on a Mac (Lion)? I can’t get it to play in either Safari or Firefox.

50. Admiral Kent - June 14, 2012

That. Was. Awesome!

51. BrF - June 14, 2012

@49: Yes, but after clicking through to the ET site it worked just fine (on Safari).

52. Sebastian S. - June 14, 2012

WONDERFUL footage!! Thanks for posting that. They all looked so young! Takes me back to that summer of ’82 (an excellent year for sci fi, that was…).

53. Doug - June 14, 2012

Awesome, thanks!
First, damn Kirstie was hot, how the hell does what she’s turned into happen!??!
Second, DeForest saying “we don’t even know what we’re going to do” ..Ha!. No one at the time even realized how much was ahead of them, timeless words :)

54. Adam Bomb 1701 - June 14, 2012

“Star Trek II” was also titled “The Vengeance of Khan” for a time. But, some soul thought the title would get in the way of George Lucas film “Revenge of the Jedi”, which at the time was in pre-production. Both films wound up changing their titles.

55. RAH - June 14, 2012

I find it interesting how dismissive Mr. Myers was to star trek cannon and indeed sci-fi in attitude if not in execution, it did not even see all
The episodes to TOS
His tone is more like John Logan than JJ
JJ and crew talk the talk about knowing the show and it’s spinoffs allot more, and in my opinion, do the lore justice.

56. RAH - June 14, 2012

Should be
he did not see,
not
it did not see

57. CmdrR - June 14, 2012

Good workout on the ladder for Shat, LN, and Kirstie, but I don’t think a frame made it to the screen.

Always great to see that archival stuff from a movie that’s really earned the honors.

58. Anthony Thompson - June 14, 2012

De Kelley was a perceptive and intelligent man. I enjoyed his comments very much.

59. Al - June 14, 2012

The ladder scene is in Meyer’s DVD cut

60. No Khan - June 14, 2012

Sorry Harve Bennett those ugly new uniforms never felt like ST to me.

61. Michael Hall - June 14, 2012

“First, damn Kirstie was hot, how the hell does what she’s turned into happen!??!”

Um, it’s called “getting older.” Just what happens to you in this world, if you’re lucky.

62. No Khan - June 14, 2012

@55, I agree. Meyer did some great things on ST 2, but his version of ST is not the Roddenberry version IMO. I wish Paramount had respected Roddenberry enough to let him run the movie franchise & not Harve Bennett.

63. anotherscott - June 14, 2012

#51, thanks, but still no go. Whether here or there, all I get is the endless “loading” animation. Oh well.

64. Stargazer54 - June 14, 2012

I had never seen this before either. And like many, it reminds me of how much I miss DeForest Kelley.

It seems like he was the glue that held the big 3 together. He was really the heart of the triad. We miss ‘ya De!

65. THX-1138 - June 14, 2012

De Kelley was the heart of the cast, truly. i agree with the above poster that said so. Once Nimoy is finished and everyone is clapping him on the back, who is the one who puts his arm around Nimoy with cigarette dangling and imparts his own words of congratulations, warmth, or even just an invite for drinks at his trailer? De, that’s who. What a great visual. Somebody ought to screen grab that moment, with both iconic Trek actors, backs turned and with obvious affection and respect for each other, alone and talking to one another. Like real friends do.

And listen to what Meyer has to say. He got Star Trek just fine, thanks. So did Harve. Trek 09 was a fun movie, but let’s not get things twisted. It was no WOK. I also don’t think the “it wasn’t Gene’s Star Trek” argument is a valid one. Season 2 and 3 weren’t “Gene’s” Star Trek, either. They were Gene Coon’s (OK, he IS a Gene), and Bob Justman’s. Roddenberry created Trek but he didn’t have as much to do with the day-to-day production as many would like to think. He was a smart man who got great creative people to work for him.

66. Digginjim - June 14, 2012

Wonderful. Thanks Anthony. Lovely to hear from DeForest. Sadly missed…

67. RenderedToast - June 14, 2012

God, Nicholas Meyer comes off as such a douche-bag.

68. No Khan - June 14, 2012

@65.Meyer, who directed “Khan” as well as “Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country,” described one such moment.

Before Meyer started shooting “VI,” Roddenberry was unhappy with the script.

“If I’m interpreting him correctly and if I’m believing what he said, Mr. Roddenberry really believed in the perfectability of man, of humans, and I have yet to see the evidence for this,” Meyer said. “So ‘VI’ is a film in which the crew of the Enterprise has all kinds of prejudice, racial prejudice, vis-a-vis the Klingons. And some of their remarks, including how they all look alike and what they smell like, and all the xenophobic things which we grappled with — that was all deeply offensive to him because he thought there isn’t going to be that. In fact, in his original ‘Star Trek’ concept, there wasn’t any conflict. So he always had problems with writers who were trying to write conflict, because that’s what drama is, so he was very distressed with the world of the Enterprise – the kind of ‘music’ I was writing.”

69. John Kirk - June 14, 2012

I have a magazine from the 80’s that has a behind the scenes section actually showing the filming of Khan’s son in the transporter room. It’s not a rumor, it was an abandoned story plot line.

70. drapera - June 14, 2012

THis is FANTASTIC BTS footage…the film crew, the Travel Pod on stage, De Kelley and Nimoy talking as they head to the big door…The clarity of the footage as well..MORE please!

71. Red Dead Ryan - June 14, 2012

First of all, whoever suggested that Gene Roddenberry should have written TWOK needs to give their head a shake. Roddenberry would have written a slow and boring movie. Gene was a smart guy who was good at coming up with sci-fi ideas and characters, but not so good at putting it on paper. That is why he hired Gene Coon and others.

As for the movies, Roddenberry was a tv guy who was out of his depth when it came to writing or producing movies. TMP was a mixed success at best. Paramount knew they needed someone not familiar with Trek, but proven at writing movies, so the hired Nick Meyer. As a result, TWOK is miles better than TMP.

Secondly, those criticising or insulting Nick Meyer need to find a new hobby. Seriously. Its like “Batman” fans dissing Christopher Nolan.

#67.

“God, Nicholas Meyer comes off as such a douche-bag.”

Yeah, your opinion of him is causing him sleepless nights, I’m sure. LOL!

#55.

Nick Meyer got Trek perfectly. Sorry.

72. Vultan - June 14, 2012

I like Nick Meyer, think he’s a great filmmaker and wish he would do more, but I can see how he could come across as a jerk to some. If you’ve ever listened to his director’s commentaries, it’s obvious he’s an intelligent guy, and has a dry, erudite way of expressing it.

I had a few professors like that in college. And though they weren’t the warmest, most personable people in the world, I did find them to be among the brightest.

73. SoonerDave - June 14, 2012

Nick Meyer is/was downright dismissive of the whole issue of canon. I recall him saying that while he “respected” canon, he wouldn’t be bound by it, and remembered that same issue being brought up by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle wrt Sherlock Holmes. Pointing out that there were substantial continuity gaps in those stories, Meyer quoted Doyle as having said, “what of it?” to the effect of never letting the canon get in the way of a good story.

Interesting. Sometimes, the best Trek came from the people *least* beholden to it.

74. danielcraigsmywookiebitch - June 14, 2012

53. Doug – June 14, 2012
Awesome, thanks!
First, damn Kirstie was hot, how the hell does what she’s turned into happen!??!

Dude what are you talking about, she is still beautiful, just because as she has gotten older she has gained a bit of weight, doesnt mean that she isnt beautiful.
Your mean and rude comment is not justified at all.
But i guess you must be perfect.

75. SoonerDave - June 14, 2012

@74 Just for some additional info, after her appearance on Dancing with the Stars on ABC, she dropped a *bunch* of weight, and she’s kept it off this time. She’s in her early 60’s now, believe it or not, and she really looks great.

76. Jeremy - June 14, 2012

This is what I am talking about! I wish these things would be included in dvd/blu ray releases. This just made my night

77. JKP - June 15, 2012

I sure miss De Kelley. And I really miss De, Bill and Leonard in action together.

There was magic between with those three, the likes of which we’ll probably never see again.

I think I need to watch some TOS tonight…

78. Yeoman Amanda Hugginkiss - June 15, 2012

Mrrrrrowww! Nicholas Meyer was sooooo cute back then. Oh yes. Totally doable. Kinda reminds me of a young John Stewart!!!

79. drumvan - June 15, 2012

Nick Meyer is/was downright dismissive of the whole issue of canon. I recall him saying that while he “respected” canon, he wouldn’t be bound by it, and remembered that same issue being brought up by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle wrt Sherlock Holmes. Pointing out that there were substantial continuity gaps in those stories, Meyer quoted Doyle as having said, “what of it?” to the effect of never letting the canon get in the way of a good story.

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yet in some ways meyer’s st2 was the most beholden to canon in that it played directly off one of the tos episodes. none of the other films that i can think of are a direct derivative of a tos or tng series plot.

and yes, he seems like a pretty large jack-hole in that interview. but he made a darn fine movie.

80. Chris Roberts - June 15, 2012

The lesson of The Wrath of Khan would seem to be, a feature-film CAN BE inextricably linked to a decades old piece of canon, but the production team – Director/Screenwriter and Producer MUST NOT BE. So they bring a fresh approach to the material they’re riffing off or continuing. To see a way it can be true to the original piece, but easily translated for the non-Trek knowledgable majority.

81. Matias47 - June 15, 2012

Re: 62 — ” I agree. Meyer did some great things on ST 2, but his version of ST is not the Roddenberry version IMO. I wish Paramount had respected Roddenberry enough to let him run the movie franchise & not Harve Bennett.”

Now wait a minute, Roddenberry was given control, what he gave us was ST:TMP. And that’s why he was removed to a consulting status. Also, I don’t really see where Meyer was all that dismissive. He said he hadn’t seen the show or was much of a Sci-Fi guy (though I do get tired of hearing actors and so forth when they get picked a role in ST say that as well). But he followed it up by saying that he has since watched a slew of the shows and saw it, correctly IMO, as a character driven show using science-fiction as cover for allegory. How was that dismissive?

As for canon: we’re all fans here so I’m assuming we’re familiar with some or all of the shows. I’m sure all of us can come up with examples of incongruities even during the course of the original shows. A quick, very small example: Are Kirk and crew 200 or 300 years in the future? Roddenberry (I heard him) said 300 — “Space Seed” and “Tomorrow is Yesterday” said 200. TMP said 300. TWOK said 200. TNG’s episode “Cause and Effect” has Kelsey Grammer say that the year he and his 80+ year old ship came from (and he was apparently close to the TWOK time period) was 2278. That takes us back to 300. And let’s not forget the look of the Klingons from TOS the movies (and TNG) and the Romulan foreheads in TNG.

(Hey, Anthony! Let’s start a contest — Whoever can come up with the most examples of canon mistakes or downright ignoring thereof, wins a pair of tickets to opening day of ST:2013 in their home town. I’ll pay for one, you pay for the other.)

JJ, too, said that he was never a ST fan. He was into Star Wars. And the worse moments in ST:09 were the Star Wars moments (IMO).

With that silliness out of the way, may I parrot others and say how much De Kelly is missed? Class act all the way.

82. Matias47 - June 15, 2012

That should be “worst” moments. Sorry.

83. Tony Todd's Tears - June 15, 2012

Does anyone else just get Loading…..loading…. loading.. with this video? Am I missing a plug in or something?

84. Devon - June 15, 2012

“I wish Paramount had respected Roddenberry enough to let him run the movie franchise & not Harve Bennett.”

Yeah, if Paramount was ran by idiots who weren’t interested in profit.

85. MC1 Doug - June 16, 2012

“TrekMovie continues to celebrate June as Wrath of Khan month in honor of the 30th anniversary of what we still think of as the best Star Trek feature film.”

Who is we? Not a bit biased, are we?

Sorry, but I do not think ST TWOK is the best of the TREK films.

86. KAAAAAAAHHHHHN!!!! - June 16, 2012

@ 85. Agree. Personally I think ST 3 captured the spirit and mood of TOS. While the story in 3 was not that great, the characters, lines, and and general tone were spot on.

87. Vger23 - June 16, 2012

85-

I’d assume “we” is the collective writing staff at Trekmovie.com. What’s wrong with that?

I think it’s also safe to use the word “we” in that the love for “Wrath of Khan” is clearly a majority opinion…even if it doesn’t align with yours. Regardless of what YOUR favorite may be, I don’t think there’s any argument that Trek II is considered far-and-away the best of the Trek films by the public and general fan base.

88. Harry Ballz - June 16, 2012

86.

Yes, what people seem to forget or don’t recognize…..

In TWOK Kirk and crew HAD to fight in self-defense against an attacking enemy.

In TSFS Kirk and crew were back home on Earth and safe. They ELECTED to steal the ship, risk their careers, and try to help their friend. That is more heroic.

89. Matias47 - June 16, 2012

Ok, now we’re into ST:2 v. ST:3.

While there is much to like about 3 for your average fan, as a film it simply doesn’t measure up professionally. The story is weak at best; the acting (with the exception of the main cast and Mark Lenard), is awful. The Klingons are two dimensional at best (what was that scene strangling the worm other than stupid? Let alone the frakking Klingon dog on the bridge. And are you really going to tell me that Kruge compairs to Khan?) The dialogue ranks with the most mediocre 1960’s DC comic. The absolute best moment was Kirk’s reaction to the death of David. That was brilliant. But basically, 3 was a TV episode, and a cheesy one at that, whereas 2 was a film. In fact it was the Film That Saved Star Trek.

Would there have really have been a 3, let alone 4, 5, 6, TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise and ST:JJ without TWOK?

90. Red Dead Ryan - June 16, 2012

#89.

You must not have watched the movie. “The Search For Spock” is an criminally and tragically underrated Trek movie. There was the epic plot, the comraderie, the new ships and spacedock, and a great villain (Kruge).

William Shatner gave another (arguably his last) great performance as Kirk, who without Spock, was a shell of himself. David’s death also impacted the character in profound ways, and Shatner did a hell of a job conveying that onscreen.

DeForrest Kelley once again proved a superb actor, playing both McCoy and the “disembodied Spock katra” inside McCoy’s head.

Add to that what Harry said, and TSFS is great and fitting continuation of TWOK.

91. Vultan - June 16, 2012

#89

I’ll take you up on those questions.

I think Kruge strangling the Genesis monster and having a mean-looking dog at his side (and killing his own beloved in the beginning, and killing his own gunner later, etc.) are simple devices to show what sort of character he is: a monster among monsters. But yeah, they could’ve given him more depth—perhaps a better reason for hating the Federation other than “He’s a Klingon. He hates them. He wants power. That’s all.”

But I think Lloyd did a good job with what he was given, and Nimoy did an excellent job directing (his first film, I believe). And the effects by ILM and James Horner’s score are top notch, as always. Anyway, despite its flaws, I’d easily put TSFS in my top five. But below TWOK, of course.

92. Matias47 - June 16, 2012

This is one of the reasons I love this site. Differing opinions. You give your opinion and simply await a differing one, like Vultan and me.

Then there’s RDR.

My, my.

Instead of saying, “I disagree,” you decide to denigrate and infer that I must have not watched the movie. I’ve seen your posts here. You act like a bully.

Very un-Star Trek-like.

On the contrary, RDR, I’ve seen ST:3 many times. It’s slow, dumb, and amaturish (though I continue to watch it and silently cheer every time we get the close up of Nimoy as Spock and McCoy’s monologue about how mush he’s missed him. Man, I miss De Kelly.) Look at the difference between 3 and 4. Even Nimoy says that 3 was a flawed, learning experience and with 4 he had more confidence with 4 and that’s why there was such a difference in quality.

And you didn’t answer my question: would there have been any Star Trek after TWOK? I’ll go further: do you really think that a film the quality of 3 would have allowed the continuation of the franchise if it had followed 1 instead of 2?

Yeah, yeah. I know what you’ll say — you’ll go on the attack instead of politely giving a polite, thoughtful, well reasoned opinion.

93. Matias47 - June 16, 2012

To Vultan: I actually love Christopher Lloyd. I met him working on BTTF 3, and he was really pleased with having worked on ST:TSFS, even if it wasn’t the best movie. His words, not mine.

94. Matias47 - June 16, 2012

“How mush.”

Do forgive me.

That should be, “How much.”

95. Matias47 - June 16, 2012

You know, we could use an edit mode here.

“With 4,” followed by, “With 4,” and in the same sentence.

I am SO embarrased.

Do forgive me.

96. Matias47 - June 16, 2012

Damn it.

Now I have to watch The Search for Spock.

97. Vultan - June 16, 2012

#93

Awesome! You met Chris Lloyd AND worked on BTTF3?! Well, colored me impressed. What was your job on the production, if you don’t mind my asking?

I’ve gotten the impression from interviews Lloyd is a nice guy—and a reserved, quiet type, which is surprising considering his larger-than-life screen presence, namely Doc Brown.

98. Vultan - June 16, 2012

Correction: “COLOR me impressed.”

99. Red Dead Ryan - June 16, 2012

#92.

Man, you don’t get it do you? You were way off base with your criticisms of TSFS. Nimoy may say its flawed, but it sure is better than the next four, and certainly better than “Nemesis”, “Insurrection” and “The Motion Picture”. TWOK set the standard for Trek films, I agree, but as I said, TSFS was a fitting continuation of it. I gave you reasons why I like it. But you ignored the facts and called me a “bully”. Real mature. NOT!

More and more fans who initially disliked TSFS are now rethinking their positions on the film. It is way more popular today than it was back when it was originally released in theatres. That’s a true testament to the film.

100. Matias47 - June 16, 2012

To Vultan: Yeah, he’s an amazing guy. One of the best I’ve ever worked with.

To RDR: What facts? You give opinion and shout that they’re facts. People like it. Ok. Fine. Overall opinion, even by its creator, is that it doesn’t measure up. Commercially, it didn’t do as well. Ok, that doesn’t always mean anything about quality. Many films don’t do well and develope an audience over time — The Rocky Horror Picture Show, The Ninth Configuration, Beat the Devil. But ST: 3 never got there. It may or may not be more popular than it was in the theater but it doesn’t come close to TWOK. TSFS is “underrated” because its storytelling was cartoonish, its bad guys were the equivilant of silent movie twirling mustache villians, its plot was predictable, the sound stages were on the level of “Bonanza” and the refusion scene put you to sleep.

And you still avoided my question. Had 3 followed 1, would there have been another Star Trek?

Of course, we don’t know. But instead of addressing what I said, you foam at the mouth.

Bullies do that.

101. Red Dead Ryan - June 17, 2012

#100.

Dude, stop with the straw man argument. I never once said TSFS was better than TWOK. TSFS couldn’t follow TMP storywise. Both movies are totally different, and of course, TWOK had to happen so that TSFS could occur. I agree that without TWOK, TSFS wouldn’t exist. So what?

But that doesn’t mean TSFS is as poor a movie as you suggest.

Ron D. Moore even said TSFS was underrated.

I originally responded to your post that criticised TSFS. I disagree strongly with you on that. But you end up calling me a bully just because I happen to disagree with what you said. In fact, I would argue that YOU are being a bully yourself. Pot calling the kettle black.

SHEESH!!

102. Bob Tompkins - June 17, 2012

Norice the cancer stick in De Kelley’s hand as he left the set with Leonard Nimoy in that clip? Kelley lived a decently long life, but spent his final years in ill health due to various cancers. We lost a great many people before their time because of the lassez- faire attitude of our government toward the tobacco industry.
DeForest Kelley, Humphrey Bogart, Patrick Swayze, Judy Holliday, Nat ‘King’ Cole, Jack Cassidy, Jim Varney, Roger Maris, John Wayne- too many to enumerate lost to this tragedy….
During WW2 cigarette companies plied the soldiers with free cigarettes. Even as far back as then, the tobacco companies took advantage of the addictive qualities of their ‘product’, knowing full well the guys in the trenches were theirs for life once they came home. And of course, the tobacco companies hid behind the shield of ‘patriotism’ while they implemented their long- term plan.
Cigarette smoking was glamorized in the movies- could not imagine Bogey or the Duke without a cigarette- and that’s the image that the cigarette companies wanted to evoke and maintain.
If someone as cool as John Wayne and Bogart chain smoked onscreen, then it had to be cool. This was the first massive and unpaid use of product placement.For myself, I’d rather have seen Bogey and the Duke and Kelley and all the rest onscreen many more times than I did. Wouldn’t it have been cool to see DeForest Kelley guest starring in elderly roles in movies and TV in the 2000s?
And for most Americans, the losses are much closer and more personal; we all have friends and relatives lost to tobacco related cancer and heart and lung disease. My COPD is linked to second hand smoke in a closed poorly ventilated work environment.
Even pancreatic cancer has been linked to tobacco use.
Damn the tobacco industry.

103. Keachick - rose pinenut - June 17, 2012

And breast cancer has been linked to smoking as well. In fact, if you smoke, you are far more likely to get any kind of cancer than if you don’t smoke!

104. Keachick - rose pinenut - June 17, 2012

Interesting to note that both William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy have given up smoking…

I liked the Kruge character and I don’t see what was wrong with Kruge, as captain of the Klingon ship, having his mascot beside him. Clearly this dog was not the most attractive and could be vicious, but there was an affectionate respect between master and his animal. However, strangling the monster worm was a bit gross…

I really do hope that Admiral Pike is able to give the new Captain Kirk one of Archer’s Porthos descendants as beagle mascot to the Captain of the USS Enterprise. (Also, I believe that Chris Pine likes dogs…)

105. DanielCraigismywookiebitch - June 20, 2012

97 most likely as an extra,Extra’s are always quick to say they worked with such and such actor and name drop, when in reality they stand nearby or sometimes far away from them.

You don’t hear crew members saying I worked with so and so. or I met so and so while working on this such and such project.

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