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Original Shuttle Galileo Up For Auction – Group Hoping To Share It With Fans June 18, 2012

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Fandom,History,Memorabilia,TOS , trackback

Today a major piece of Star Trek history became available to the highest bidder. The Shuttlecraft Galileo from the original Star Trek series is up for auction. There is also a group that is trying to acquire the shuttle with plans to restore it and put it on display for the fans. More info below.

 

Shuttle Galileo Goes Up For Action

Today the original Shuttle Galileo went up for auction. Memorabilia from the original Star Trek is very rare and even though this item is not in the best condition some experts think it could sell for as $100,000 by the time bidding closes on Thursday June 28th. The auction is being conducted on behalf of owner Lynn Miller by Kiko Auctions of Canton, Ohio (where the Shuttle currently resides) You can place your bid online right now, if you have that kind of money.

As noted the current state of the Shuttle is pretty poor. It appears to have been left outdoors (in Ohio) for most of the last couple of decades. That being said, most of the original components are still in tact, including the nacelles. Nevertheless, Galileo is definitely in need of a restoration.



Starfleet Shuttle for sale – needs a little work – less than 100 million miles

The Shuttle Galileo was originally created for the first season episode "The Galileo Seven."  The prop was used for exterior shots, with the interior shots shot on a separate set. It was designed by Matt Jeffries, who also designed the USS Enterprise. And the actual shuttle prop (which is somewhat smaller scale than the shuttle set) was built by the AMT model shop. Although the Galileo was "destroyed" in the episode, the prop returned for subsequent episodes that required a shuttle exterior shot.


Shuttle Galileo in "Star Trek"

Following the cancellation of the series the shuttle was first donated to the Braille Institute where it was used as a plaything for the students. It was later sold and over the decades fell into disrepair but in 1986 it was restored and displayed at a 20th anniversary convention in Los Angeles. Once again the shuttle was stored in the open and again deteriorated until 1989 when it was purchased by Lynn Miller of Akron, Ohio who planned to restore it and display it at the National Air & Space Museum. A restoration project began in 1991 (see video below) but was never completed. And unfortunately in the years since this partial restoration, the shuttle again was stored outdoors resulting in the current condition.


Video from last Galileo restoration in 1991

If you want this piece of Star Trek history, it can be yours if you are the highest bidder. Try your luck at Kiko Auctions (via Proxibid.com). Remember, when you bid there is also an extra 15% buyers premium to pay to the auctioneers.

Group wants to share Galileo with the fans

Actual original models and memorabilia from the original Star Trek are very rare. Usually when items like this shuttle are put up for auction they are snatched by a rich collector and disappear into their private collections. While there are some interesting pieces of Trek history on display with the touring Star Trek: The Exhibition, most of what CBS/Paramount auctioned off in 2006 is not available for fans to see. Some items (like the Enterprise D and DS9 model purchased by billionaire Paul Allen) were shown at his Science Fiction Museum in Seattle, but are not currently on display. For the Galileo, a couple of collectors are trying to ensure this piece of Star Trek history can be shared with the fans and finds a permanent home where it can be displayed.


USS Enterprise model from feature films sold at auction in 2006 for $240,000 – not seen since

Alec Peters, founder of Propworx, has teamed up with fellow collector Adam Schneider to bid on the Galileo. They have formed the Galileo Restoration Group. Peters and Schneider’s goal, if they win the auction, is to restore the shuttle and then tour it around to conventions and events and then eventually find a permanent home for Galileo at a museum.

They are using their own funds to bid in the auction, but plan on going to Kickstarter to get fans to get involved in funding the restoration.  Galileo Restoration have also teamed up with Star Trek fan club STARFLEET, who will also help out with the restoration phase. Like with all Kickstarter campaigns, there will be various perks for those who help out. The entire process (again if they win the auction) will also be documented and reported online so supporters can keep track of progress.

Peters tells TrekMovie that he is already putting together a team of professionals who are prepared to restore Galileo to its original condition. TrekMovie has also talked to Emmy-winning Star Trek designer Doug Drexler, who says that he and fellow Trek vet Mike Okuda are interested in helping out the Galileo Restoration team, or anyone who commits to sharing Galileo.

Hopefully this team doesn’t get outbid and wins the auction so that Galileo can be shared with the fans.

For more on this effort (and on the history of the Galileo), visit galileorestoration.com.


Galileo Restoration Project Banner

Correction: Article updated to note Enterprise D model had been displayed after it was sold at auction

Comments

1. Sebastian S. - June 18, 2012

What a shame; hope the Galileo gets the love it deserves.

I could imagine a used shuttle salesman’s pitch: “She’ll make point five past warp speed. May not look like much, but she’s got it where it counts, kid… ”

;-D

As for the ST auction; It’s a shame that some of these works of art (and they are art) are snatched up never to be seen again.

2. Craiger - June 18, 2012

They should contact these guys:

http://www.syfy.com/hollywoodtreasure

3. Red Dead Ryan - June 18, 2012

Who’s gonna pay $100,000 for that piece of junk? Seriously, the restoration costs alone will probably be more expensive than building a new one from scratch.

4. Craiger - June 18, 2012

Good point RDR.

5. MDSHiPMN - June 18, 2012

That thing is done.

6. Anthony Thompson - June 18, 2012

Storing a plywood prop outdoors??? Sorry, but the folks who did that are clueless idiots!

As for what’s left…even most of that is NOT original material. Worth a hundred bucks maybe, if that.

7. Red Dead Ryan - June 18, 2012

The only part of the shuttlecraft that is most likely reusable is the frame. The shell and floor would probably be too damaged.

Someone with the right know-how, materials (and obviously money and time) could build one from scratch for under $20,000.

8. Anthony Thompson - June 18, 2012

Hey AP!!!

Why have I had to start signing in here to make a comment for the past week or two (on both my home and work computers)??? Why the change?

9. Battle-scarred Sciatica - June 18, 2012

@6 Anthony Thompson

these are probably the same idiots that deconstructed the original big E, chucked her in a box and forgot about her for years.

In the words of the great Alan Partridge “Sub-human scum”

probably not the words I would use but hey, you get the gist.

:)

10. dmduncan - June 18, 2012

What remains that is original after the 1986 and 1991 restorations? I’m not clear on that.

11. John from Cincinnati - June 18, 2012

What the hell did they do to it? Leave it to rot in the rain on the farm with all the animals! They should be prosecuted.

12. Glob - June 18, 2012

Except for replacing the exterior in the 1980s, and replacing the interior in the 1990’s, it’s the original prop!

13. MJ - June 18, 2012

Shame on this Lynn Miller person who has left this outdoors for twenty years in freaking upper Midwest weather to get ruined — what was he/she thinking? And this clown is now going to collect $100K? Wow, that seems like rewarding ineptitude and to Trek fans, this is damn near malfeasance.

If I were Lynn Miller, I would never show my face in public again at a Trek convention. This just shows a horrible neglect and disregard for Trek history, with the added insult on being able to cash in oh his/her unforgivably behavior.

If you are reading these boards, shame on you, Lynn Miller!

14. Whalien - June 18, 2012

Damned IDIOT, Miller!!!

15. MikeTen - June 18, 2012

It looks like the original skin is still there, just the frame has been replaced.

People have paid more for items in my opinion that are worth less. This was a item that was used by the original TOS cast in several episodes. It is a one of a kind item, building a replica is just not the same as a original item.

16. T'Cal - June 18, 2012

This should be restored and displayed at NASA or the Smithsonian.

17. dmduncan - June 18, 2012

Looking at the video, it looks like the engines are still original, and no doubt the frame. But not much else.

18. BringBackKirkPrime - June 18, 2012

Hopefully the next owner will show some respect and store it properly. It belongs in a museum.

19. dmduncan - June 18, 2012

Damn. High bid is $19,500.00.

I’d say that the most valuable thing about it now is knowledge of how the original was made.

It would be cool to see the dimensions, structure, and BOM open sourced and uploaded online so folks who are so inclined could build their own.

It’s another great design from Matt Jefferies.

20. Tony - June 18, 2012

Someone should give this to Rick Dale from “American Restoration” – that dude can restore peace in the middle east!

21. Red Dead Ryan - June 18, 2012

#15.

The problem is, repairing it would require so much work, and so many new parts, the resulting finished product wouldn’t truly be the original anyway. So someone might as well just build one from scratch.

#’s 13 and 14.

I totally agree. What a travesty this is. Just like (and as bad) as what happened to some of the models (in particular the Enterprise D) at the Star Trek Experience when it closed down.

I can only hope that the props, models, costumes etc. that were auctioned off a few years ago are in good care.

I’d hate to see the refit Enterprise, or the Deep Space Nine models get banged up, broken, stained, or smashed.

Yeesh!

22. AJ - June 18, 2012

I say, put “Galileo” on the USS Intrepid (in NYC) with the BA Concorde and the USS Enterprise orbiter. Let them pay for the restoration, as they will charge visitors for these as extras to the rest of the exhibit.

Two space shuttles with nearly identical heritage: One real, one fictitious, blah, blah.

Never happen.

23. vantheman77 - June 18, 2012

Good to see that the original Galileo shuttlecraft still exists. This is going to be like the restoration of the original General Lee of the Dukes of Hazzard.

24. Sebastian S. - June 18, 2012

# 16

I agree with you, T’Cal.

Ideally, it should be restored and put in the Smithsonian; preferably near the original Enterprise (the 11 ft. TOS shooting model).

As Indiana Jones would say, “It belongs in a museum!” ;-)

25. Gorn Captain - June 18, 2012

Unless you know the intimate details of Lynn Miller’s life over the past two decades, who are you to be judging them so harshly? Get some damned facts before you break out the torches and pitchforks…

I seriously doubt they intended to let the Galileo rot on purpose. It’s a large heavy prop, requiring a flat bed to even transport, and indoor storage is often expensive. Considering many thought the thing had been destroyed a decade ago, it’s reappearance is a miracle.

Sure a replica could be built, but it wouldn’t be the original.

The large Nostromo model from Alien was in bad shape after years under a tarp in someone’s backyard. It’s currently being restored…
http://www.propstore.com/nostromo.htm

26. Gorn Captain - June 18, 2012

@9

If you refer to the original TOS Enterprise model, Paramount had it until they donated it to the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum circa 1976. Aside from a weekend display at a local college circa 1972, it was never in the hands of anyone else.

27. Red Dead Ryan - June 18, 2012

#25.

“I seriously doubt they intended to let the Galileo rot on purpose. It’s a large heavy prop, requiring a flat bed to even transport, and indoor storage is often expensive. Considering many thought the thing had been destroyed a decade ago, it’s reappearance is a miracle.”

Sure, but that is exactly why people need to think these things through before they make such a purchase. The person who bought the Galileo obviously didn’t think far enough ahead. He/she had to know that a lot of indoor space would be needed for the shuttlecraft. He/she also should have known the huge expense in repairing the thing.

He/she was clearly in over their head when they bought it. He/she obviously gave up on it due to logistics and/or money. Obviously didn’t know how much money, work and materials the shuttlecraft needed to be repaired to it’s originial condition.

28. spock69 - June 18, 2012

It’s had 15 new exteriors and there’s nothing inside it anyway. but still it’s original!! £100 grand?? More like £100 quid! Some people like to hope. i’ve got a 30 year old original yardbrush, it’s had 15 new handles and 12 new brushheads but it’s still original! Just ask Del Boy.

29. Vultan - June 18, 2012

Will it start?

30. Mantastic - June 18, 2012

@20 I agree! How great of an episode would that make?

31. MJ - June 19, 2012

@25. “Unless you know the intimate details of Lynn Miller’s life over the past two decades, who are you to be judging them so harshly? Get some damned facts before you break out the torches and pitchforks…”

What a crock. At a minimum, Lynn Miller, for a few hundred dollars at Home Depot you could cover it with two layers of heavy gage outdoor heavy plastic wrap. You will still get some cracks and buckling after years of temperature change, but you would at least keep water, critters and much of the sun damage out. I mean, shit. take some franking responsibility for it. Leaving it out in the elements to rot away to its present state is just a travesty.

And if you think this Lynn Miller has some great excuses why he/she let this rot outdoors for 21 years, I’d be interested in hearing them? 21 years is unacceptable — it is going to take a whopper of an excuse for me to show some compassion for letting the Galileo rot for 21 years outdoors. And it reflects pretty bad on his/her character that they have now lined up an auction house and are trying to get $100K for the nearly ruined Galileo.

Perhaps if it was ruined, and he/she felt bad about it, and were donating it to a Trek group — well, in that case I would cut he/she some slack. But profiteering over the demise of this famous prop…NO, THAT IS UNNACCEPTABLE!!!!!

I’ll say it again: shame on you, Lynn Miller!

32. Gorn Captain - June 19, 2012

I don’t know her story, but neither do you. ;)

33. MJ - June 19, 2012

@33. Well I see her “cashing out” on this now that it is nearly destroyed. That is what really bothers me here, dude. Regardless of whether she had some excuses or not, she let it go to crap and is now, from my POV, going to collect perhaps $100K. Yea, that really pisses me off. If she gave a crap about Trek and felt bad about the neglect, she would be donating it to this “Quest to Save Galileo” instead of trying to profit from her piss-poor care of one of Trek’s greatest historical relics.

34. Al - June 19, 2012

Trigger’s broom – 10 new heads and five new handles, but it’s the same broom

35. Rod of Rassilon - June 19, 2012

MJ showing their usual class of jumping on someone and judging them without knowing them.

Why does the hate flow within them so freely?

Because they hate themselves.

Sad really.

Interesting story.
Hope someone show the shuttle some love.

But will it be “profiteering” if whoever owns in charges admission to see it once it’s display ready?

36. Gorn Captain - June 19, 2012

@33

A move worthy of a Ferengi to be sure. But without knowing more about the long and twisted tale behind Galileo’s strange journey, I don’t feel comfortable in passing judgement on them just yet.

Does anybody know what became of the TNG shuttle and pod?

37. Anthony Thompson - June 19, 2012

35. Rod

“them”? “they”? Are you implying that MJ is more than one person? Twins perhaps, both evil? : D

38. Mark Lynch - June 19, 2012

As part of the restoration, an interior should be constructed within the Shuttlecraft that matches, as much as is possible the interiors depicted on TOS.

$100,000 for a hunk of rotting plywood?. Interesting!

39. Greinberg - June 19, 2012

Private collectors should be shot. KNOWLEDGE, sir, should be free to all!

40. GG - June 19, 2012

I’ve got an idea. Hey Bob’O, why don’t you ask JJ to “aquire it” for use in the new movies. That way, the restoration can easily be paid for by the movie studio and restored by Hollywood professionals (pocket change for them, a business expense). It can then be used in the movies as a shoutout to the fans, and then after the movies are done, it can be donated to whatever museum they find.

41. CmdrR - June 19, 2012

I bid 1,000,000 quatloos!

Why do I get the feeling the prop is going to end up smoking meat at Harcourt’s House of Rib?

42. CmdrR - June 19, 2012

Ribs, even.

43. Calastir - June 19, 2012

I’d expected it to have been decommissioned long ago. Just imagine all the ensigns who lost their virginity in that thing…

44. Teddy Salad - June 19, 2012

Show me the CarFax™

45. Danpaine - June 19, 2012

…a couple of gauze pads, ball bearings and some WD-40, that sucker would be up and running.

All it needs is a new Finnegan Switch.

46. Lyle - June 19, 2012

If I had the money to buy this and restore it, I’d bid on this in a New York minute. Sure, it’s no longer entirely original, but it’s still a major piece of Trek. I’d restore it and loan (not donate) it to a museum where it could be displayed properly.

47. Chris Doohan - June 19, 2012

Bidding ends on my Birthday…just saying. No need to wrap it.

48. Teddy Salad - June 19, 2012

#45:

Meh. I heard Spock blew the engine.

49. Teddy Salad - June 19, 2012

#47 (and to add to my #46)…

…But I heard she had a good mechanic fixer’ up.

50. Jorg Sacul - June 19, 2012

@47 No need to wrap it… that’s what the previous owner thought!

51. n1701ncc - June 19, 2012

Drain the phasers for fuel and put some batteries in so that the plating can give off a good shock…

I for one would love to volunteer my time to help restore this piece of star trek history

I think if William Windom [Decker] if he is still around can sit in the chair and perform that famous scene from the Doomsday machine it will be all worth it. restoring the shuttle craft.

52. Sebastian S. - June 19, 2012

# 25 GC

Good point.
My wife and I watch the show “Hollywood Treasures” (the only semi-interesting thing left on SyFy these days) and I can’t tell you how many times you see collectors who buy props with the best of intentions but then fall onto hard times. One guy was forced to sell his incredible collection (one I would’ve killed for) because he was dying of cancer. Another had to pay for his wife’s medical bills.

Until we know Miller’s exact circumstances, I agree that we should all just hold our tongues on that. I have several autographed Ray Bradbury books that I value a LOT. Had them signed in person. But if my wife needed surgery or some other health crisis came about and I needed the money? I’d part with them; no matter how badly it hurt me personally…

We don’t know Lynn Miller’s reasons or circumstances for allowing Galileo to rot, so let’s not be so quick to break out the pain sticks.

53. Sebastian S. - June 19, 2012

# 47 Chris Doohan~

Well, there goes the surprise…. I guess we’ll just have to get you something else now.

;-D

54. Vertical Hover - June 19, 2012

If I were going to invest money for someone to restore something like this, I’d want some kind of guarantee that it wouldn’t get stuck on some back lot again and deteriorate. It looks like its in even worse shape than the first time it got neglected.

55. Tallguy - June 19, 2012

Star Trek fans: Classy as always.

56. Steve J. - June 19, 2012

Reminds me of the Star Trek Phase II episode from several years ago, the one with Kirk and Spock going back in time to find Decker (who wasn’t killed in the Doomsday Machine, just shot back in time). Turns out that Decker ended up in the late 20th century (don’t recall the year), and had married, lived in the ‘burbs, and stored the shuttlecraft in his garage…

57. Whalien - June 19, 2012

Poor idiot Miller…”boo-HOO!!””

Look, that shuttle was in even WORSE shape!! I have an issue of Enterprise Incidents magazine that shows the back of the shuttle caved in like King Kong had stepped on it!!

And yes, one should consider the upkeep and preservation before purchasing a priceless relic of TV history like this!!

I mean, wouldn’t you?

What kind of a moron buys something like this and leaves outside to rot, let birds poop on it, get rained on, hailed on, etc!!

This person clearly had poop for brains!!

And yes, it makes more sense to just build a new one now after dunbs*** Miller trashed out the original!!

::shakes head like Janice Rand in Star Trek 3::

Unbelieveable…

58. The Admirable - June 19, 2012

Mostly what’s left is the 48 year old steel frame and engines. About everything else has been replaced over 3 restorations. And though this is what remains of the original, there is still collectors value in her.

I know Alec, and his desire to finish what Lynne started is sincere. He’s a fan himself and has the resources to restore the Galileo. Consider that the recent “Battlestar Galactica” display at the Sci Fi Museum in Seattle was from his collection, which includes a “Viper”. That plus owning “Propworx”, a sci-fi auction house. It was his company that handled the “Star Trek Hilton”, “Battlestar Galactica” and “Ironman” auctions.

Alec has the means to make this happen and if he does win, the ultimate would be to have her fully restored and on national display at the National Air & Space Museum in Washington DC, completing Lynne’s goal for her. An exciting prospect indeed!

59. Whalien - June 19, 2012

MJ — As usual, I agree with you!!

He/she should be caned for what they let happen to poor Galileo!!! The “hard times” excuse doesn’t quite fly either!! Hard times?!

Then SELL the damned thing!! There’s just no excuse for this and if he/she were here, I’d “go pee pee” on him/her!!!

Seriously, this is a crime against Trek!! And the sad thing is, it can’t be fixed without a complete and near-total rebuild!!

A pox upon this Lynn Miller cretin!!! A pox!!!

How could anyone be that stupid? The mind just REELS at this sad and EPIC scale of stupidity!!!

I’m sorry, but there’s just no excuse for this! Any ONE of us fans who had the money to buy the thing would have prepared better storage and safekeeping of Galileo than this assclown did!!!

It looks like it would AFTER Commodore Decker flew it into the maw of the Doomsday Machine!!!!

I am so mad I could spit photon torpedoes right now!!!!

60. NCC-3916 - June 19, 2012

Well guys. I know Ms. Miller. I advised her when she bought this to find a museum to donate it to and take the tax write-off. Instead she thought she was going to take it around to county fairs and make money. Duh!

The whole reason she bought it was so that one of the current bidders in Cleveland couldn’t buy it back then.

She had a team of people restoring it when it first came to Ohio who knew what they were doing, but before any cosmetic work got done, she stiffed them on money. The thing is made of masonite and wood (some framing and the engines are steel) so a lot of the original body was already rotted before it came to Ohio. BUT, it is STILL the original piece. Just like when you restore a car.

This heap is surrounded by people with passion but no brains.

61. Whalien - June 19, 2012

She “stiffed” them?! Oh that’s just GREAT!!

She sounds like a real piece of work!!! Then again — so is the poor Galileo after the abuse Miller heaped on her!!

Wow. Just…wow…

County fairs?! WTH is wrong with this woman?

HAHAHA!!!

62. REM1701 - June 19, 2012

I would comment on some of the posts here especially “Who gonna pay $ 100,000 for that piece of junk?” (RDR) but I don’t speak MORON! As Patrick Stewart said @ the Star Trek Auction, “Things are worth what the are worth to the collector”. End of story…

63. Old RussellT - June 19, 2012

I haven’t read through all of the logistics, but I sure o hope that this non-profit group can raise enough money to buy it and store it somewhere. I’d throw in a few bucks myself to be able to have it restored so I can take my kid when he gets big enough. Sigh… if wishes were horses…

64. The Admirable - June 19, 2012

Also for the record, Lynne Miller was sincere in wanting to restore the Galileo. As Sebastian S said, if you didn’t walk in her shoes, you have no right to call her names or fault her for circumstances beyond her control. She could have left it to rot entirely, not even caring to shroud it from the weather, but she kept it and protected it as best she could given her circumstances.

And I agree, building a new Galileo would make more sense than restoring the original, but it is what’s left of the original that is the best part, that will make this restoration significant. It will be satisfying to know that the restored Galileo will have the strength and character of the original frame and engines…still with us after 48 years

65. Phil - June 19, 2012

Well, If I’ve learned anything from watching Pawn Stars, you have to buy these restoration projects on the cheap to make a restoration profitable. If some schlub coughs up 100K for it it’s probably going to go right back into storage, because it will take another 150K to make it presentable. In this economy the numbers just don’t add up. As a stand alone exhibit it really won’t draw well enough to cover the cost, let alone make any money off of it.

66. Red Dead Ryan - June 19, 2012

#62.

I suggest you read #62’s post before accusing me of speaking “moron”. Anyone who pays $100,000 for a ruined piece of junk IS a moron. Common sense is needed in situations like these, and Lynn Miller showed none whatsoever when she bought it.

Now she’s expecting to make $100,000 off of it? Where does she get off expecting that exhorbitant amount of money? I’d say she’s trying to rip someone off!

Sheesh!

67. Phil - June 19, 2012

Hey, MJ, you ride Keychick really hard about jumping to conclusions, yet here you are riding Lynne Miller hard on this. you don’t know the circumstances surrounding the sale or how the prop fell into disrepair. Have a little faith in the markets, she may want 100K, and might get 5K for it.

68. Chris Doohan - June 19, 2012

I used to play in it when I was 7. It looks older than me….I think

69. The Admirable - June 19, 2012

At this moment, it’s at $20,000

You can follow here: https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetail.asp?ahid=794&aid=52711&lid=13384057#topoflot

70. Whalien - June 19, 2012

Not only should it be restored, but the interior should be constructed as well! True to the one depicted in the series of course! :-)

I’m always leery of restorations though. Just look at what that dude who restored the original E did to that for that Smithsonian exhibit!! He painted a big spider web on the bottom of the primary hull!! He shoulda been caned for that! And all the weathering was wayyyy too dark!

And that Brick Price dude…what he did to the Phase II Enterprise at Wonderworks!! He basically took that model and made a TMP Enterprise out of it!! Unreal…he shoulda been caned too!!

Idiots all!!!

71. mj - June 19, 2012

“MJ showing their usual class of jumping on someone and judging them without knowing them. Why does the hate flow within them so freely Because they hate themselves. Sad really.”

“Sockpuppet detectors on full, sir. We have a read.”

:-))

72. Anthony Pascale - June 19, 2012

Greinberg
warning for trolling.
And everyone else going over the top on attacking people…it is just uncalled for

MJ
final warning
You are not a moderator, you cannot accuse others of sockpuppeting or other infractions.

73. Anthony Pascale - June 19, 2012

Also a reader emailed me with a correction which is reflected in the article. The Enterprise D was displayed at the Scifi museum in Seattle after it was purchased, but it isn’t on display anymore.

74. MJ - June 19, 2012

To the three of you who told me I was being too hard/mean about this without knowing the situation of Lynn Miller, I give you NCC-3916’s post above:

@60 “Well guys. I know Ms. Miller. I advised her when she bought this to find a museum to donate it to and take the tax write-off. Instead she thought she was going to take it around to county fairs and make money. Duh! The whole reason she bought it was so that one of the current bidders in Cleveland couldn’t buy it back then. She had a team of people restoring it when it first came to Ohio who knew what they were doing, but before any cosmetic work got done, she stiffed them on money. The thing is made of masonite and wood (some framing and the engines are steel) so a lot of the original body was already rotted before it came to Ohio. BUT, it is STILL the original piece. Just like when you restore a car. This heap is surrounded by people with passion but no brains.”

Gorn Captain, Rod of Rassilon, Sebastian S, Phil, the facts on Lynn Miller are provide above for us all now to see. Now what to you have to say???

@58 “Alec has the means to make this happen and if he does win, the ultimate would be to have her fully restored and on national display at the National Air & Space Museum in Washington DC, completing Lynne’s goal for her. An exciting prospect indeed!”

Outstanding!!! And as I mentioned before, if Lynn Miller really cared about Trek and felt bad about letting the Galileo rot to near destruction outdoors, she would be DONATING the Galileo to Alec and his grand crew.

75. NCC-3916 - June 19, 2012

Whalien, the “inside” of the shuttle seen on the TV series in no way would fit inside the shuttle exterior. That was an illusion created for television. The shuttle exterior would have to be MUCH larger to be in scale with the interior set. You can’t even stand up inside this thing.

And stop being so quick to “can” people. Am I correct in saying that you don’t have any background information on any of these projects other than what you read on the web? If I am incorrect than I apologize.

76. MJ - June 19, 2012

@74. Anthony, my post above is the last I will have to say on this matter. This issue is just really, really sad for Trek history. Yes,my passions have got the best of me here, but for good reasons…..

77. Sebastian S. - June 19, 2012

# 74

“Gorn Captain, Rod of Rassilon, Sebastian S, Phil, the facts on Lynn Miller are provide above for us all now to see. Now what to you have to say???”
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That Miller screwed up; big deal.
It’s no reason to call the firing squad. I still think you guys overreacted. At the end of the day, it’s a prop. And there is probably more of the 1991 reconstruction about it than there is of the original 1960s Galileo left anyway, so what? The frame and engine pods are the only ‘original’ pieces left of it, so it’s really kind of valueless at this point. IMO, it’d be best served on display at a museum somewhere. Either the Smithsonian or the Science Fiction Museum in Seattle (where I saw Capt. Kirk’s chair).

78. Magic_Al - June 19, 2012

Shuttle storage technique was invented in Russia! (Or Kazakhstan!)
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/spacecraft/q0153.shtml

79. ctw - June 19, 2012

#21

If you want to know what happened to a lot of props, models, costumes etc. that were auctioned off a few years ago have a lock here:

http://www.filmwelt-collection.com/index.html

80. Chasco - June 19, 2012

#68 – Now THAT’s cool!! Got pictures? :-)

81. Whalien - June 19, 2012

#75 — Sorry, I was being intentionally over the top (for entertainment value) although my passions do run high. I have some background info on Galileo, but some of that is from pre-1991.

The one thing I do hold to is that if a fan has the financial wherewithal to purchase a relic like this, then they also have a resources to maintain and preserve that artifact. And, if not, sell or donate it to someone who DOES have those resources.

That’s all I’m saying.

The other thing in against is haphazard “restorations”. If the research, time and resources for that to be done properly, then it shouldn’t be done at all.

As for the scale of the shuttle, I guess I didn’t realize one couldn’t stand up in it….

82. Rocket Scientist - June 19, 2012

It’s just an object made of wood, masonite, plastic and metal. All in service of creating a wonderful illusion of the future. Its current state? Unfortunate, but what really is of the greatest value are our collective memories of it. If we have to let the physical object go, so be it. The memories and the hopes they inspired are its true and inviolable legacy.

83. NCC-3916 - June 19, 2012

Whalien – Understood and I appreciate the passion.

I agree with having “a plan” prior to Miller purchasing this. That is what she and I talked about. The only “plan” was to buy this thing before the guy in Cleveland did. Passion won out over common sense.

The reason it got shoved into cheap outdoor storage is that Miller burned every bridge she had over this thing and no one would lift a finger to help her.

Just remember… the difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits.

84. Sebastian S. - June 19, 2012

# 82

Rocket Scientist ~

Well said! ;-)

85. Jack - June 19, 2012

http://culttvman.com/main/?p=22800

According to this, well, you guys are making a bunch of assumptions about Miller that ain’t true.

86. Jack - June 19, 2012

…at least according to Miller.

87. Whalien - June 19, 2012

#83 — I hear ya. Well, that’s truly unfortunate that there was no plan a dcthat things fell apart as they did. It could have been an amazing thing for the fans had she listened to you. I think your suggestions (based on what I’ve read here) were the way to go.

It sounds like politics became a part of this and that never results in anything good…

88. MJ - June 19, 2012

my last post on this…promise…but I need to reply to Jack above. Jack, that is simply not true about here storing it inside in shrink wrap — there are multiple google earth images that shows the Galileo being stored outdoors in Lynn Miller junkyard the last several years, such as this one:

http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/jpg/f6d25c674d393af12a9901c167a4dbef84830d4_r.jpg

Your information is from the auction site — of course they are going to put the best face on this possible, but I would question the accuracy of that info, which probably comes from Miller.

89. Sebastian S. - June 19, 2012

# 85

Jack~

There are ALWAYS two sides to a story. Thanks for presenting the her side of the story (whether one believes it or not is up to them). Sounds like it was in worse shape the first time around (with the collapsed roof and such).

Rocket Scientist had a good point though in post # 82.
At the end of the day, it’s just a hunk of masonite, lumber and paint. The only thing that makes it valuable is our memories of it. And as long as those are preserved on DVD, Bluray, film, etc. then it’s immortal already. At this point, the prop looks to be in such bad such (and the auctioning price so high) that I think it’s probably not really worth another restoration after all….

It would’ve been nice to see it in a museum someday, but if what you’re seeing is 80% new and only about 10-20% of the original piece? Then it’s really only a little better than a 100% fan reproduction (like the Phase 2 TOS bridge, which is probably sturdier than the original soundstage).

90. Sebastian S. - June 19, 2012

89. Oops!

Meant to say ‘such bad shape.’ Senior moment… ;-)

91. NCC-3916 - June 19, 2012

Whalien – That was just my suggestion to her. There were a lot of logistical problems with that monster that made it tough to do anything. It is on a large boat trailer which isn’t in much better shape than the shuttle. In order to tow it anywhere, the engines have to be removed (using a fork lift) and transported separately. With the engines on, there is too much stress on the frame to tow it like that AND it was over width so you needed a special permit.

92. Whalien - June 19, 2012

Sounds like a real pain, NCC!!

I noticed the trailer in the picture on the site linked to a few posts up. Yeah, looks to be in shoddy condition too!

I’m sure transporting this has it’s own inherent difficulties and risk of further damage…

93. NCC-3916 - June 19, 2012

#89

I had a debate with Richard Arnold some years ago about the issue you mention with regard to being and original piece. Any of you out there that have been involved in historic vehicle restoration know that you STILL have an original piece even after restoration (which sometimes can include a new body, engine, etc.).

When Gene Winfield (a custom car guy who built the Galileo exterior) came to the LagrangeCon where the shuttle was displayed, he said it was amazing it was still around. This thing was meant to be a set piece and then get thrown in the dumpster by the studio.

94. Sebastian S. - June 19, 2012

# 93 NCC

Which was common practice then.
Hollywood’s movie industry was a largely disposable culture. Sometimes props, costumes and masks that could be used in other productions were saved, but difficult-to-store props and sets were largely just trashed….

95. Battle-scarred Sciatica - June 19, 2012

@26 Gorn Captain

Actually, I never referred to whose hands it was in.

I know it was in Paramounts hands and that was to who I was referring…the idiots.

if you can leave the Big E like this for 5 years (link) you get no respect from me:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_REkgXByDyuU/Sjbwt_GgFdI/AAAAAAAADW4/9JZSaOSK7_4/s400/enterprise-model-arrival-smithsonian.jpg

And I think you will find it was actually handed to the National Air and Space Museum on March 1 1974 and then restored by the Smithsonian.
I have other pictures but will not weigh this article down with link after link.

Folks on this site have in the past referred to its current condition as sloppy paintwork, etc. I guess it has been gone over a few times now.

I unfortunately have not had the pleasure of viewing it in the “flesh”, as it were.

I will though. At some point.

96. NCC-3916 - June 19, 2012

Here is one in MUCH better shape. And it has a microwave.

http://www.trexxis.com/shuttle/shuttle_html_22d4f27b.jpg

97. Fraser - June 19, 2012

I saw an article about this a couple of years ago, along with photos showing it sitting outside in a studio back lot. It looked pretty sad.

While it may seem like a travesty, one has to realize that back in the “golden age” of television, studio sets and large props didn’t really get saved — unless someone happened to come along and grab it. Case in point, the Ark from CTV’s “The Starlost” was dismantled after production ended in 1973 and was pretty much destined for the trash until someone came along and was willing to take it off CFTO’s hands.

I do hope someone does restore the Galileo, even though it’ll be less than 50% original material, it’ll make for a great historial display piece.

98. Vultan - June 19, 2012

Actually I’m surprised ANY props from TOS survived.
I figured NBC took a blowtorch to them.

99. Symar - June 19, 2012

But its only got 95,000 parsecs on it and was only driven on Thursday nights !

100. Jack - June 19, 2012

88. Wow, MJ. Fascinating.

101. The Admirable - June 19, 2012

Another thing to consider is that when folks buy these props, they own them. It becomes their personal property to do as they want with them. There is no requirement to put them out there for all the fans to see, unless they have a desire to do so.

For example, it is said that actor Ben Stiller owns the NCC-1701-A model. I’m sure it makes for a nice conversation piece in his living room or den. Maybe some day he’ll put on display in a museum, but if so, it will be at his pleasure, as it’s his property.

If Alec wins the Galileo, rather than keep it in his backyard or some such, he will put it on display, mainly because he’s doing this for the fans. He’s establishing a non-profit company to own the Galileo, see to her restoration and up-keep, and then to put her on display (hopefully) at the NASM.

Even fans will have a hand in helping with her restoration by making donations. The Star Trek club “Starfleet” will be helping with fan contributions and once the shuttle is restored, will provide support when she’s taken on tour around the country for fans to see her, before being placed in her permanent home.

So guys, I would say, rather than all this brouhaha about what went before, let’s look forward to supporting whoever wins the Galileo, and if other than Alex, that they will see to her proper restoration and display!

102. Sebastian S. - June 19, 2012

# 96 NCC~

What kind of dilithium mileage does it get? ;-D

103. NCC-3916 - June 19, 2012

#102

18 in the city. 24 on the outer rim.

104. Sebastian S. - June 19, 2012

# 103 NCC~

Is the parking brake on? Then let’s punch it! ;-D

105. Ronulus - June 19, 2012

Currently the bid is sitting at $20,000 and 8 days to go.
Auctioneers think that $100k, I just hope it’s not a reserve price.

Doug Drexlar has made a great video about it that , if Anthony permits me to link, demonstrates his passion for it’s restoration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhn29t4WYiU

Regarding the current owner, Lynn Miller, please don’t be mean spirited to this person, THEY TRIED, and with any restoration it takes time and a lot of money, both of which are rare commodities during the current economic climate.
I wish whomever buys the shuttle the best of luck and I look forward to seeing the finished restoration.

106. Romulus - June 19, 2012

^^^
sorry, I misspell my name.

Live Long and Prosper xoxo

107. Starbase Britain - June 19, 2012

Shame its been left to rot away like that. would love to see it fully restored for the fans.

its a great episode.
Greg UK

108. Sebastian S. - June 19, 2012

# 105 Romulus~

Totally agree with you about Lynn Miller.
Times are tough, and that mother-of-a-shuttle had to be a beast to store (let alone tow anywhere; she said it needed permits because of it’s width). She probably bought it with the best of intentions (as any fan/collector would), but her plans for it didn’t go according to well…. plan. I too, was a bit put off by how people wishing her so much evil because of how she stored a prop from a 46 year old TV show. By her account, it was in much worse shape under Paramount’s care (with a collapsed roof!). If I had the funds to buy it? I’d probably wind up donating it to the Sci Fi museum in Seattle and just take lots of pictures of it before it left my possession….

And yes; Doug Drexler is very talented. If he and Mike Okuda do get their hands on the shuttle somehow? I would look very much forward to the final result. But even if the shuttle is never restored (or just crumbles into sawdust), I still have my DVDs and my memories. These old props were not built with any kind of permanence in mind, really….

As Q says, “All good things….”

109. Lynne Miller - June 19, 2012

OK. I really need to stop reading what people post on these blogs. People can be so unkind, and judgmental. They see bondo and say it looks rotted. Before I see this again somewhere, and pull out what is left of my hair, I want to clarify some things.

First I want to say that Steve H., the prior owner of the shuttle, literally saved the ship from being scrapped back in 1986. If not for him it would not exist now. He restored it to the point where it could be displayed, and it is my understanding that it was at the 20th anniversary of Star Trek convention in Anaheim CA. There are famous photos of it after 12 years in the rain sitting at Rebel storage after being hauled from Roger H.s yard, and it was in sad condition before Steve’s restoration. It looked like a cake that had melted in the rain.

To my knowledge $8,500 was spent to repair the shuttle at that time. Ken I. of the Smithsonian showed me photos of them painting it with a roller, and lettering it with a paint brush. For what they did, it looked pretty good. I don’t know why it was placed back in storage, but that has always been a problem for the shuttle, since it was not really meant to last, and it does not do well when exposed to the elements. When I purchased it, Steve requested that I have it restored professionally, as he knew they could not restore it the way he wanted to due to the expense. I bought it sight unseen in some idiotic idea to keep it safe, and see it got a good home somewhere.

When I purchased it from him in 1989, it had been sitting out in the desert for many years at an RV storage facility in Palm Springs CA actually near Indio. The roof of the shuttle had again collapsed. Parts were missing, and there was a lot of damage that doesn’t really show on that video.

The shuttle was supposed to be a display at the Superman Exposition in Cleveland Ohio back in 1988. There were Star Trek guests and exhibits at the convention, which was supposed to raise money to build a Superman Museum. This museum never materialized.

I attended that convention as I was collecting comic books at the time, and I was disappointed that the Galileo 7 was a no show. The reason given was that the truck driver who was supposed to haul it said he could not because it was in such poor condition.

Even after being carted across the country to Akron Ohio, there was 80 lb. of sand taken out of it, mixed with pistachio nut hulls I might add. The sides were both split in the center of the panels from top to bottom. The nacelles were badly dented and still full of vines from sitting as a lawn ornament in Roger H.s yard. The tubular steel undercarriage was rusting. The starboard side Masonite was so rotten, from years of sitting out in the rain, that it would fall apart in your hands. So were parts of the front. The roof beams were so badly dry rotted that they mushed when you touched them. There were missing molded metal strips on 2/3 of the rounded edges of the roof and bottom. The port side of the ship was Masonite too, but we did not try to replace this. The decision was to try to repair that side.

When I bought it in 1989, sight unseen, I wrongly assumed that all I would have to do was clean it up a bit. After all, the photos I saw at the time showed it looking fairly good, and if you look at the video you might think so too. Up close was a different matter.

My original intention was to try and find a place to donate it. After storing it for 2 years out there in California, and not finding any place that would accept it as an exhibit, I began to worry that I was so far away from it that I could not keep track of it, so at great expense it was moved to Akron Ohio where I live, and was placed in a hangar at the Akron Fulton Airport. This was a hangar where they used to make corsairs in WWII, and next door to the Goodyear Airdock. This was the first time in who knows how long it had been housed inside.

It was exciting to show it to my friends in a local Star Trek club. But, as we started to look closely, the many problems became clear. Any restoration would not be easy and quick. I knew that I could not restore it myself, I would have to pay someone to do the work. The club made it clear they would not be interested in helping in any way, but they did want it at their convention, which I allowed free of charge. They did however, make an appearance one day at the restoration site more of a photo op than anything else.

I tried to sell T-Shirts at Star Trek conventions, and this went well the one time that the shuttle was actually at the convention. I actually sold $3,200 in T-shirts that weekend. However, trying to sell T-Shirts to the fans at conventions without the shuttle being there was a total bust. My conclusion was that the “fans” did not care what happened to the shuttle then under restoration. It was all in my lap. They would rather walk by my table and spend $12 on a phony looking tribble.

I thought to have it at conventions, but although they made promises none of the conventions would pay anything to have it there. Sometimes they would act interested, make an offer then at the last moment withdraw that offer and say all they could give me was a free dealer’s table for transporting it hundreds of miles. Again, fan run conventions.

Two local men wanted very badly to do the restoration, and after a lot of begging on their part, talking and making them promise to do a good job I relented, and their proposal was that I was to pay them $12,000, half of which was for parts and supplies, the other half to be paid upon completion. There was no contract as these were friends. They would give me bills and I reimbursed them, or I would give them cash up front. By this point, the shuttle was being housed in a private T-Hangar at the Akron Canton Airport.

These two were modelers, and one in particular was very meticulous in his work. He had a really amazing model of the Death Star constructed from a ping pong ball. And, I have to say that the work they did on replacing the rotten parts of the shuttle was also meticulously done, if not startling to watch, and you can see most of it in a well-known video on YouTube. The work that was done was good and it was precise, and we had gotten to the point where all that was needed to be done was fiber glassing and painting. Almost finished, and I was so very happy the end was near. That was in 1991.

But, then the work slowed down, and they hardly ever went out to work on it. It was at that time and perhaps before that the two men decided they would not continue the work, and walked out on me. There have been some who said I had money problems, but of course I did, but always reimbursed them as agreed to except when they decided I should pay for their lunch at Wendy’s. Primarily this was due to unrest in their personal lives and to something I said. I had made a comment in front of one of their wives that it was going so slowly, and that is was costing me so much to store it. This was taken as “ingratitude”. No amount of begging would keep them on the job, as the wives were already unhappy that they had become involved in the restoration to begin with. So, this was the point where it could have been finished, and it wasn’t. I have often wondered how they could come so far on the restoration and then just give it up. They even wrote their names and the date on each part they restored. Now the credit for the restoration will go to whomever buys it.

Then I was laid off from my job as an engineer. Even when laid off I continued to pay the rent on the hangar, working three jobs to pay all my bills, and the shuttle ate before I did.

Some have told me I should have sought help on the Internet, that some fan or fans would have helped. But, think about it, this was circa 1992, and the Internet was not what it is today, and I had no access to it really. And, my experience with fans had not been good ones. I had tried to find a home for it for years. At this point, all I could do was store it, and forget about finishing it.

Eventually, I got back on my feet. New job, and I found a company to finish restoring the shuttle. It was in Akron and the contract was with an automobile body shop with a sandblasting company next door. The deal was $14,000 for the remaining work on the restoration, fiberglass and painting. We planned a special gel coat that would have hidden some defects. Whenever they finished a stage, I was billed and I paid for it. Most of the dents were pulled from the nacelles, that showed. Nacelles and other metal parts were sandblasted and primed in preparation for painting. As before, all was paid for as I was billed.

I offered more money to speed up the work. I was told they had so much other work, but they would be getting to it. I began to lose confidence, as I had been snookered so many times by people making promises they did not keep.

The shuttle was to be stored inside the building, and the owner of the business showed me where he planned to have it. I was working in Columbus at the time, and was caretaker for my mother as her health was failing. This and work kept me busy. When I came back to Akron, I would go out to the site at Mill Street, and express my unhappiness that the shuttle was still sitting outside with a tarp on it, but I was assured that it was ok and any imperfections would be fixed when they worked on it. Always promises.

My Mom died and I moved back to Akron. No one was there to help. I kept requesting, through a mutual friend, that the two who had promised to finish the ship back in 1991 return to help, but each time I was told by her that they had no interest. During this time when I was in Columbus, the tarp had blown off the shuttle and it had been exposed to rain again. Luckily it had been waterproofed, and marine plywood had been used in the new repairs.

One day the call came to remove the shuttle from the lot where they had it parked as the owner of the business was going to jail and the lot was to be razed. I had one day to move it, and it was not an easy thing to move. I flew around in a panic and managed to find a towing company that would do the work, and used my garage to repair the flat tires on the trailer. It was hauled to a boat storage area near my house, where it was shrink-wrapped. That is where the shuttle is now looking so much like a boat you wouldn’t even notice it. I barely managed to retrieve parts from their building, and was lucky enough to find someone there the next day. In a rush to retrieve the parts I somehow missed the blow molded nacelle domes I had paid Gene Winfield to fabricate.

I have decided that I will not finish the restoration. Someone else will have to do that. It is frustrating to have gotten so close to finishing it twice. But, I tried for 23 years to do the right thing. I did not make any money, and I do not owe anyone any money either. Instead, I spent 23 years paying to restore it, and to keep it alive.

The pictures to the untrained eye make it look bad, I know this. Perhaps, I should have thrown a coat of paint over it, but anyone wanting to finish the restoration does not need that as they can see what is sound and what remains to be done.

Descriptions on the Internet of it as rotting are from unfair people who can’t tell bondo from peanut butter. Believe me there will be a lot more bondo spread on the hull, before it is fiberglassed. If they would take the time to really look at the pictures they would see that so much work has been done on the craft. So, take a walk in my shoes, and do not judge me as I have done my best as the previous owner did his best. Now it is time for someone new and hopefully with money to finish the job. And, I wish them well.

I know who is posting these unkind remarks and after reading what I have to say you can guess who they are.

110. Red Dead Ryan - June 19, 2012

#109.

Thanks for posting. I apologize for my remarks earlier. I am truly sorry.

111. Shilliam Watner (Click for Trek Ships Poster) - June 19, 2012

109. Lynne Miller – Thank you for demonstrating that there are always human beings on the other end of people’s thoughtless comments. And thank you for the thorough history of this TV relic. I’m sure it will find a good home and receive the treatment it deserves.

112. Sebastian S. - June 19, 2012

# 109

Lynne~

Thanks so much for posting your side of the story. I’m glad you set the record straight. Sounds like when you took ownership of that shuttle, you only got frustration in return. Sometimes our fondest wishes can turn out to be curses, you know? I envy you getting to see it in person, but I don’t envy the fact that it became something of an albatross for you later on…

Hope things work out well for you now (and for the potential new owner, or owners). All the best! ;-)

113. Lynne Miller - June 19, 2012

Thank you. I actually cried when I read your apology Ryan. I have spent more than I can even say keeping it stored in hangars, and whoever is saying I kept it outdoors for 23 years, that was when this jackass was supposed to be doing the final part of the restoration.

114. MJ - June 19, 2012

@113 Lynne, please accept my heartfelt apology as well. My passions got the best of me based on those photos. I am so sorry for your situation. God Bless You. You are a true Trek Fan.

115. Battle-scarred Sciatica - June 20, 2012

Hey Lynne,

I retract my statement of plonking you in the class of the Paramount twerps that boxed and neglected the TOS Enterprise.

From your heartfelt description of your trials (and dare I say Tribbilations :) of trying to get that great prop restored and those people who let you down.

It was a sad account and made sadder by your longing to do the right thing for you.

I wish you well and hope you get a million bucks for it – although would that really make up for that long and winding road to right here and right now? Probably not.

Alternatively I could take it off your hands for a fiver – if you could just park it in my driveway… Oh yeah, I forgot, I live in New Zealand – shouldn’t be a problem, eh?

All joking aside, all the best and good on ya!

Proof there are human beings with normal lives behind all things Trek.

Live long and prosper.

:)

116. Mark Lynch - June 20, 2012

People often forget that there are real people on the other end of their vicious Internet comments.
But at least a few of them here have the guts to apologise after hearing the record being set straight by that very person.

I hope Lynne makes some money out of this, at least enough to make up for what she is out of pocket for. Hopefully even a bit more on top of that.

117. NCC-3916 - June 20, 2012

Well. Lynne’s story is mostly true. However, a lot of people in the local Star Trek club helped for certainly more than one day out of friendship for Lynne with no expected compensation. This was before we even figured out that we might be able to have the shuttle come to Cleveland for LagrangeCon. There were a number of late nights but ultimately, people gave time where they could without being asked. Lynne, it is quite misleading to say people were there for a photo op.

Having it at LagrangeCon was primarily to focus attention on the restoration and so Lynne could sell t-shirts. The convention even paid to have a tent set up in the parking lot so it would be under cover plus provided security over night. A member’s father even provided the transportation of this beast from Akron to Cleveland for the convention at no cost. On top of that, the convention paid Gene Winfield to appear as a guest to tie in with the shuttle.

Not to be confrontational Lynne, but your story seems to be painted a little like “I was on my own and no one wanted to help”. That just doesn’t ring true. There may have been people later who tried to make a scam out of this, but your initial group friends did what they could based on their means. The crap that you or perhaps somebody else has been spreading on the Internet has been hurtful to those folks from that core of friends in spite of the fact that we all went in different directions over the years.

For any of us who have restored projects on this scale, you know that you go through different teams of people because of the length of time it takes to work on something like this. Life gets in the way. Family and kids and work. Be thankful you had helping hands when available. Otherwise, it would still look the same as it did the day it arrived from California.

Folks, for those of you who think she was doing a disservice to the relic, please be aware that Lynne was trying to do what she could to save this thing. If it wasn’t for her frankly, it would have rotted away years ago in California.

118. Whalien - June 20, 2012

My apologies as well, Lynne.

I was basically trying to be over the top in my comments in a tongue-in-cheek way — although I was one who did not understand how you could maintain control over the relic of you couldn’t afford to go on.

Sure, things happen in life that get in the way of our hopes, intents, and dreams.

It saddened me to read of all the bad things that happened to you and please accept my sincerest apologies for being such an insensitive JERK!!!

I am truly sorry for my comments and — even though you don’t know me — will forgive my insensitivity and rudeness.

“Passion as a fan” is no excuse either…and again — I’m sorry for being such an ASS! :-(

119. Mel - June 20, 2012

@ 79

http://www.filmwelt-collection.com/index.html

Good to know that those Star Trek pieces found a good home. :-)

120. Greunberg - June 20, 2012

#72,
it’s not trolling, it’s a quote from Mudd. And I’m right. Private collections are a joke. This stuff shouldn’t be mouldering away and gathering dust in some loser’s house. What happens if there’s a fire?

Sorry, but no private collection is safe enough when it comes to historic TV items that I happen to care about.

121. CVD - June 20, 2012

@120 Sorry but if not for private collectors this thing would have been destroyed many years ago. No museum wanted it if you read carefully. Steve Haskins who owned it before tried for years to get into a museum too.

122. Adam Bomb 1701 - June 20, 2012

To Lynne Miller – Thanks for setting the record straight on the history of the Galileo prop. I hope you find a buyer who will treat it well.
She wrote above: “It looked like a cake that had melted in the rain.”
But – Will you ever have that recipe again? (Sorry for the lame pun, but I couldn’t resist.)

Also, this thread makes me wonder – Whatever became of the Enterprise model that was built for the never-made series “Star Trek – Phase II”? Was it ever completed? Was it trashed once the series pilot became “TMP”, or did it fall into the hands of some collector?

123. Sebastian S. - June 20, 2012

Lesson learned; every nasty remark made about someone on the internet has a human face attached somewhere. We can all afford to be a bit more kind and open-minded in the future. ;-)

Anonymity sometimes makes monsters of us.
As I drive daily on California freeways, I see people do things in their cars to other drivers that they would NEVER do in a supermarket (in person) with a shopping cart….

Back onto ST collectibles, last night my wife and I watched SyFy channel’s “Hollywood Treasures” where a guy had a TOS Star Trek type one phaser (which was authenticated by no less than George Takei himself) and fetched $65,000 for at auction! Hard to believe a tiny prop (only a few inches long) made of plastic, paint, velcro and resin could be worth SO MUCH!

My advice to anyone selling a treasured collectible? Take LOTS of photos of it before you sell. At least you’ll have a ‘permanent’ memory of it somewhere…

124. WeAreTheBorg - June 20, 2012

You know, if all of you who VERY unfairly criticized Ms. Miller, would have just simply done a little digging, instead of rushing to judgement, you could have saved her a lot of grief.

ST Phase 2 had an item posted about the Shuttle in their “Special Features” area, which included a link to the auction itself and 2 other links to articles that were written regarding the Shuttle on Startrek.com. Additionally, if you googled “Lynne Miller Shutttlecraft Gallileo”, you would have located additional blog sites with information, and even posts from Ms. Miller herself.

I’m seriously beginning to wonder about the “quality” of fan that is populating sites such as Trekmovie and others. As “enlightened” as we claim Mr. Roddenberry’s vision regarding Star Trek to be, it seems to me that many fans do not claim or practice that same enlightenment for themselves, rather choosing to nitpick and complain about every little thing that you can’t seem to stand. In my opinion, in this case it was WAY over the top and out of line.

Those who made the observation that “none of you had walked in her shoes” were absolutely correct. Without knowing any of the facts, there is absolutely no reason at all to skewer a person, who I might add is NOT someone who is in the public eye, but rather a private citizen just like you and I, when you have not one idea of the circumstances and HAVEN’T bothered to check into it for yourself. Seriously? How would YOU feel if you were on the receiving end of some of the very same comments?

And honestly, for all of the talk from those who say they are so “passionate” about Star Trek and it “got in the way”, really? In whole VAST configuration of life, do we really know what we are talking about here? A television show! I love Star Trek just as much as the next person, but in my opinion, things need to be kept in perspective! The show is not reality, but rather fiction. Yes, I understand, many of our technological advances have made some of that fiction reality, and it has certainly had a considerable impact on our culture, but it’s still just a television show, and in the name of your so-called passion for such, you beat up on a person you knew nothing about. And when you get down to it, her acquisition of this prop didn’t affect “you” or “your life”. Her attempts at restoration and subsequent attempts at preserving it didn’t cause “injury” to anyone commenting on these boards, other than those who were connected/involved at the time, and they are obviously speaking for themselves. It’s easy to “Monday Morning” quarterback. But it’s also easy to find the information if one would only take the time to do so.

If we’re truly passionate about Roddenberry’s utopian vision, it seems to me that humanity needs to change some internal things, especially with regard to how we deal with our fellow human beings. For the record, I do not know Ms. Miller, nor have I ever met her.

125. Sebastian S. - June 20, 2012

# 122 AB1701~
“Also, this thread makes me wonder – Whatever became of the Enterprise model that was built for the never-made series “Star Trek – Phase II”? Was it ever completed? Was it trashed once the series pilot became “TMP”, or did it fall into the hands of some collector?”
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I saw pieces of the original P2 Enterprise (but not the complete model, which no longer exists) sold via the Profiles in History auctioneers on “Hollywood Treasures”. I think it was the warp nacelle and part of the engineering hull.

The man who tried to sell it (and other ST prototype props made for the show and TMP) was Brick Price; one of the original prop-makers on ST-TMP.

Sadly, it had all deteriorated very badly. I don’t think they were even able to sell or auction off the stuff…

126. Lynne - June 20, 2012

@124 Thank you.

127. Adam Bomb 1701 - June 20, 2012

@#125 – Thanks, Sebastian.

128. VZX - June 20, 2012

How cool would it be for some financially secure Trek alum to purchase this shuttlecraft and restore it?

129. Anthony Pascale - June 20, 2012

Gruenberg

Banned for ignoring warning

Everyone else
happy to see people tone down attacks. Next time you decode to go on rampage remember this

130. Sebastian S. - June 20, 2012

# 128 VFX~

I would also like to see collector Bob Burns get it if he could.

http://bobburns.mycottage.com/

He and his wife bought the original Time Machine prop at an LA junk shop years ago and did a beautiful restoration job on it. He has one of the finest collections of scifi collectibles this side of the late Forry Ackermans’ old “Ackermansion” collection. His book “It Came From Bob’s Basement” is terrific if you can get a copy online.

Burns also uses his vast collection of props and memorabilia to put on Halloween shows for local kids in his neighborhood; the lines go around the block for his shows (I don’t know if he does those anymore, but they were a blast; they used to make the local news all the time). He shares his collection with as many people as possible.

I can’t think of a better use for those treasures of his. ;-)

131. Phil - June 20, 2012

Ms. Miller, thank you for providing your perspective. If it’s not asking too much, please keep us posted on how the auction turns out.

Kindly….

132. MJ - June 20, 2012

@123 “Lesson learned; every nasty remark made about someone on the internet has a human face attached somewhere. We can all afford to be a bit more kind and open-minded in the future. ;-)”

I agree completely Sebastian — at least for people not in the public eye who will have know real knowledge about. I will be not be jumping to conclusions again on somebody who I have never heard of and who has no public record. That was asinine by me and unacceptable.

This is not the case though for people in the public eye who we have articles and their own statements to base opinions on….e.g. Garrett Wang and other clowns out there in the public eye who dig their own holes in Trek popular culture. This goes as well for what I perceive to be some minor disinformation and inconsistencies between Supreme Court members in filtering out little bits of information to us fans — where I see inconsistencies, I reserve the right to comment on them here.

133. Whalien - June 20, 2012

#122 —

My understanding is that Brick Price of Wonderworks took the P2 Enteeprise and “finished” it. But this “finished” model is a hybrid of the P2 Enterprise and the TMP Enterprise and is not faithful and accurate to either. The completed travesty was then put on display in a Planet Hollywood restaurant! Here’s the source of my info:

First, a photo —
http://wonderworksweb.com/ftpfolder/Photo/pictures/image137.jpg

Article supporting my assertion —
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/WonderWorks_Inc.

Hope this helps clarify the P2 Enterprises fate. This underscores how film and TV artifacts can be mishandled…IMHO!! The miniature should have been completed as intended by Matt Jefferies!

Again — IMHO!!!

134. Adam Bomb 1701 - June 20, 2012

@#133 – Matt Jeffries may have been too busy to concern himself with the “Phase II” model. As I remember it from the Reeves-Stevens’ book about the aborted series, Jeffries was working on both “Phase II” and “Little House on the Prairie” concurrently. That was OK with Michael Landon, the showrunner of “Littie House.” But, if one interfered with the other, Jeffries would have to make a choice as to which show he would stay with. Jeffries chose “Little House”. That show had a long run; IIRC it stayed on until 1984. But, it deprived us of any more input from Jeffries on “Trek.”

135. THX-1138 - June 20, 2012

Having been to the Science Fiction Museum in Seattle several times and also being a member, I can tell you that there is no better place for the display of cherished props, costumes, and set pieces from Star Trek than this facility. While most of the items on display are the property of the Paul Allen collection, he frequently rotates pieces in and out of display and keeps them all (apparently) in the best possible conditions for their long-term care. I have seen the 6′ Enterprise D and it is beautiful. I have also seen the original captain’s chair from TOS along with original Spock and Kirk tunics and phasers, communicators, and tricorders from all versions of Star Trek. He even had the AMT model (or was it Monogram?) of the Enterprise that was used outside the windows of the K7 Space Station for The Trouble With Tribbles.

I urge my fellow science fiction fans to make the journey to Seattle and see these props and other amazing things in the collection. And I would also urge them to not criticize members of the private sector for paying the big bucks to collect these items. It’s a free country and these items are in reality merchandise and private property. People such as Mr. Allen should be lauded for their efforts to spend the money for these pieces and then taking the time and additional money to create a museum to display them.

136. Sebastian S. - June 20, 2012

# 132 MJ~

But by characterizing Garrett Wang as a ‘clown’ you did it again. ;-D

I’ve met Wang once, and he is a nice guy with honest grievances against the ST Voyager creative powers that be. Yes, being verbal about his issues with VGR’s creative team may have hurt his career (that is probably true, sadly), but IMO he had every right to complain about the issues he had with Rick Berman and company. Besides, who among us have NEVER complained about work, right?

Take a listen to this Geekson.com interview podcast if you like; Wang explains his issues with Berman and company very well IMO:

http://geekson.com/audio/geekson111406.mp3

137. TobyP - June 20, 2012

Just finished building my own Galileo body for my helicopter this week
http://youtu.be/WagZc1ax41I

138. Sebastian S. - June 20, 2012

# 137

TobyP~

That is BRILLIANT! Love it…
Can it do ‘emergency landing plan B’ ? ;-D

139. Battle-scarred Sciatica - June 20, 2012

@137 TobyP

you know for a minute there I thought you meant you owned and actual helicopter – as in a life-size affair! LOL

great job.

“B…as in…barricade!”

aaaarrrggghhhhhhh!

140. Romulus - June 20, 2012

@ 137. TobyP

mute 2 win, but she looks great

141. Sebastian S. - June 20, 2012

# 133 Whalien~

According to what Brick Price showed on “Hollywood Treasure” the P2 Enterprise was never fully completed. There are pictures of the model when it was under construction in the mid-70s.

http://www.resinilluminati.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6886&d=1205357312

But from what I saw on “HT” (when Price showed them the surviving pieces of the ship) it’d never been finished. And it certainly didn’t look like the photo of it you’d posted previously. The nacelle housing in his garage pretty much looked like the one in the above link.

In other interviews I’d read, Price had said that work on the P2 model was abandoned, when P2 was assigned, and ST-TMP went into production. Magicam was assigned to build the Enterprise movie miniature (which needed a lot more detail and scaling).

142. Sebastian S. - June 20, 2012

Edit on # 141

Jeez I’m getting old; meant to say “when P2 was abandoned” not assigned….

Senior moment number 3, 492…. ;-)

143. MJ - June 20, 2012

@136. Wang is in the public eye and all my criticisms of him have been fully documented in previous posts based on real-world statements by him and articles and reports that anyone can find. I fully stand behind calling him a clown.

Thanks though for the audio link. The guy is charming, I’ll give him that. But then again, what clowns outside of Stephen King novel aren’t charming? :-)

144. Rex Wood - June 21, 2012

Ok if I had known were she was at just an hour away I would have at least visited her asta##cdfvnd yelled about her condition… I don’t get it, growing up with star trek.. The Galieo was part off that, but so sad… I hope the boys from propworx gets her, they seem to be great guys who care about these things, and the just wish I had known that she was close would have gone up and gave her some love

145. Adam Bomb 1701 - June 21, 2012

@#135 – All “Trek” models at the time (like that small Enterprise seen in “Tribbles”) were manufactured by AMT. They built the full-sized Galileo (like it says in the article) in exchange for the license to manufacture model kits based on “Star Trek” vehicles and props. The “Enterprise” model came first, in 1967. A year later, we got a Klingon ship model. Eventually, we got model kits of Spock, the shuttlecraft itself, the Romulan vessel, and (a really dinky kit of) phaser, tricorder and communicator. AMT kept that license for years, well into “Next Gen”‘s run, but I think Monogram eventually got it. (The wrecked “Constellation” in “The Doomsday Machine” was also an AMT kit).
I remember back in 1968, J.C. Penney sold a two-pack of the Enterprise and Klingon ship models for about four bucks. A bargain.

146. Whalien - June 21, 2012

#141 — If you has read the article I linked to, you would have noticed it said the model was 3/4 finished. No, not completely finished. Price LATER (years later) “finished” the model to be a display at Planet Hollywood. You can clearly see the P2 warp nacelles on the model on the picture I linked to.

You can also see the secondary hull is the P2 refit secondary hull. Significant modifications were made to make it look like the TMP refit…

Go back and look at the picture and article I liked to above…it’s pretty obvious they took the P2 model and modified it.

The question I have is — do the molds still exist for the P2 Enterprise as it was intended for the series? If so, it would be cool if a new model could be made from those molds…

147. Sebastian S. - June 21, 2012

# 146 Whalien~

I’m just curious; did you actually SEE the Brick Price appearance I saw on “Hollywood Treasure”? As he was actually ON the show and showed the pieces left over from the ship in his own garage. It was pretty definitive, IMO.

I’m not trying to contradict your word (and the article you linked via Wiki came up as “article does not exist” ), I’m just telling you I SAW Brick Price on the show and he clearly had the remains of the P2 Enterprise model (the nacelles and the engineering hull) in his own garage, and it was very much deteriorated. I’m inclined to believe the actual man himself over a fan-submitted Wiki article, no offense.

On the show, it didn’t look like he EVER finished it (as the pieces looked exactly like they did in the Phase II picture I linked). And the proportions to the model in your linked photo did not at all match the Phase II original model pics I’ve seen at all. It looked like a fan reproduction, IMO.

There’s a lot of bad or erroneous information on the internet and I’m afraid you might’ve simply fallen for some of it, that’s all. I’m not trying to be insulting but I’m telling you that what I saw on the show WAS the remains of the original P2 model built in the 1970s in Brick Price’s own garage.

And again; you might want to refresh that link to your Wiki article. As I said, when I clicked on it to read it, it said “article no longer exists.” It’s not that I didn’t read your article, I couldn’t. The Trek Wiki folks might’ve taken it down themselves when they realized it was erroneous.

148. Sebastian S. - June 21, 2012

# 143 MJ~

“Wang is in the public eye and all my criticisms of him have been fully documented in previous posts based on real-world statements by him and articles and reports that anyone can find. I fully stand behind calling him a clown.”
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Ugh. Right back at square one.

You’re STILL taking secondhand information as gospel and making snap judgments based on it. You place WAY too much stock in internet gossip and rumor, my friend. I’d really thought you’d learned something here….

149. Joe Louis - June 21, 2012

Boy! Miller is really snowing you guys. Take it from someone with first hand experience.

150. Whalien - June 21, 2012

Sebastian —

Just curious, but when did you see the BP video and when was it made? Even the Art of Star Trek book (which is where your picture came from, btw) shows a 3/4 completed model.

If it was in pieces in the video you saw, then it was taken apart at some point. Also, why would a “fan” build a model for Planet Hollywood?

Here again is the link to the article I tried to link to previously:

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/WonderWorks_Inc.html

Also, here is the link to Brick Prices site — which shows the “fan made” enterprise I linked to above (I guess BP himself counts as a “fan”…? LOL!!):

http://www.wonderworksweb.com/ftpfolder/Photo/page3.html

Unless BP himself is wrong, I’d say this is the model — refurbished in a VERY tacky way I might add!!

I’m not trying to be horsey with you. It I’m convinced the model in these pics IS the P2 Enterprise miniature…

151. Whalien - June 21, 2012

One last try on this one…

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/WonderWorks_Inc.

152. Sebastian S. - June 21, 2012

# 150, 151

That link still shows ‘no article'; it takes me to Memory alpha, but it says ‘no article exists’. Sorry….

Maybe Brick Price used the molds to make that new model (but the proportions are still off from the P2 model, IMO), but the pieces in his garage as seen on the “HT” show looked exactly like the abandoned P2 model. That’s the only thing that fits both conclusions; the ‘refurbished’ model is actually made from the same molds, but not from the same model base. And what he was trying to sell to the Profiles in History guys (on “Hollywood Treasure”) were the fragments of the original model itself (not the molds).

That’s all I can say w/o more information, really…. ;-)

153. Whalien - June 21, 2012

He’s got to still have those molds. Wish he’d make a new and accurate model if so. But, then again, based on that PH model, I’m not completely sure I want him too! LOL!!

Supposedly, BP built a VGer model too but in not sure if that’s true since I’ve never seen any photos of it. The VGer for In Thy Image (the P2 pilot episode that became ST:TMP was designed by Mike Minor (may he R.I.P.) and I’ve only seen one illustration of it.

Storyboards were created for In Thy Image but these have never been published in print or online.

154. Xplodin_Nacelle - June 21, 2012

What a shame!!! I really hope that the Galileo gets the restoration it deserves. I hope that Doug Drexler, & Mike Okuda are a part of the restoration team. That’d be akin to entrusting it’s care to “family.”

155. MJ - June 21, 2012

@148 “You’re STILL taking secondhand information as gospel and making snap judgments based on it. You place WAY too much stock in internet gossip and rumor, my friend. I’d really thought you’d learned something here….”

Please drop “the stern teacher scolding me routine.” I will repeat this again:

“Wang is in the public eye and all my criticisms of him have been fully documented in previous posts based on real-world statements by him and articles and reports that anyone can find. I fully stand behind calling him a clown.”

You are trying to twist my legitimate apology to Lynn here into something completely different. I am not taking the bait. And criticizing me for using information from articles on the Internet is ridiculous — guess what, this is an Internet site where we all comment on things on this site on the internet. That is what we all do here. :-))

156. K-7 - June 21, 2012

Guys, not sure what the argument is about here? Garret Wang’s own quotes are on record here. Can we really claim that his quotes, many of which are in print from Trek convention appearances and in articles, are just interest gossip that should be ignored? The guy has said some pretty negative and absurd things that really should not be washed over.

157. Red Dead Ryan - June 21, 2012

#’s 155 and 156.

Totally agree. There is ample proof of Wang’s behavior online. TrekNews.Net, for instance, reported Wang at a convention telling everyone how much he “wanted to punch William Shatner in the gut” for supposedly snubbing him. Wang has also admitted showing up for work late numerous times. His idea of “Voyager” was to make it “Scrubs in Space”. He also felt entitled to direct.

For Wang to bash the producers for not allowing him to direct is biting the hand that fed him. He should be grateful for getting a fairly large role on a show that lasted seven seasons. And he got paid well for it as too.

That’s what ticks some of us off. A guy with little talent criticising the people who hired and paid him good money not realizing how hard it is just to get that kind of work.

There is a reason why he isn’t an actor anymore. He is a no-talent whiner/slacker with a big sense of entitlement. No studio wants to put up with that.

158. Sebastian S. - June 21, 2012

# 155-7

I happen to think that a lot of what Wang had said made a lot of sense. He worked on the show; he has a right to complain about the conditions there. Who doesn’t b!tch about work now and then?

As for Wang’s perceived lack of talent? Listen to his podcast interview I linked in # 136; Berman didn’t WANT the human characters to shine! That was one of Wang’s frustrations with working on the show. The human characters weren’t allowed to show any emotion….

But my point was, a lot of folks here seem to be so quick with the accusations and name calling. It’s a shame people can’t seem to (or don’t want to) put their criticisms in a more constructive way. Or at least hold their tongues until they have some real facts and not gossip. I’m not a big fan of ‘trial by internet’ that’s all.

As we’ve all seen in THIS very thread, there is sometimes a human face behind the rumors; one should try to be sensitive to that, that’s all. I doubt ANY of us would have the utter lack of class to call Garrett Wang a clown to his face. So why would you want to do so online? Because we’re all safely anonymous behind a screen and a keyboard. As I’ve said; anonymity makes monsters of us all sometimes….

And I, for one, would hate to see this otherwise fine thread turn into the boys’ bathroom wall-level nastiness of “Ain’t It Cool News” forums, that’s all…

Anyway, I’m pretty much done on this topic…. ;-)

159. Red Dead Ryan - June 21, 2012

#158.

Look, even in spite of “Berman’s rules”, many actors in the various casts managed to shine. How many great performances did we get to see from Patrick Stewart? A lot. Same goes for Brent Spiner, Avery Brooks, Colm Meaney, etc. Even on “Voyager” Robert Picardo often was the best actor. The reason why Garrett Wang couldn’t “shine” was because he stunk as an actor. He had no talent.

Plus if he didn’t like working on the show, he could have left. It’s a bit hypocritical of actors to trash the producers all the while willing to accept the big paychecks and fame that goes with it.

I can see you can’t deal with the truth. And now you’re playiing the politically correct “let’s only acknowledge the good in people and ignore the negative qualities no matter how true they are” angle. MJ and I presented the facts and you ignore it all.

Sheesh!

160. Vultan - June 22, 2012

Garret Wang comes with the shuttle.
Happy bidding.

161. MJ - June 22, 2012

@158. Your point about not calling Garrett Wang a clown to his face is moot, as Garret Wang himself was too scared to tell Shatner what he thought to his face, but then wasn’t shy about saying it (“I wanted to punch his fat gutt”) in an interview, which went on the internet….i.e. just like my comment about him, which I probably would not say to his face, that he is a clown.

So the guy you are defending is practicing the same sort of commentary that you are accusing of us on these boards.

My, how ironic!

162. MJ - June 22, 2012

@159 “Look, even in spite of “Berman’s rules”, many actors in the various casts managed to shine. How many great performances did we get to see from Patrick Stewart? A lot. Same goes for Brent Spiner, Avery Brooks, Colm Meaney, etc. Even on “Voyager” Robert Picardo often was the best actor. The reason why Garrett Wang couldn’t “shine” was because he stunk as an actor. He had no talent.”

Exactly! Two examples of minor actors who played in only a few episodes (and has much less overall screen time than Wang) under the Berman Rules are:

— Michelle Forbes: Ensign Ro

— Dwight Shultz: Barclay

These two actors made the most of minor appearances and are beloved by many of us today for their small but remarkable acting contributions under the “Berman Rules.”

And guess what, they showed up on time to work, were team players, and never whined about perceived mistreatments or fake promotions for their characters.

It is not an accident that Forbes and Shultz have head steady work since Trek while Garrett Wang has not.

The reason Garret Wang is so popular with you and others at conventions now is because he has to be — the is his job! He has to say quotable stuff and be the “life of the party” because conventions are probably most of his income now.

163. Phil - June 22, 2012

Sooo…what’s up with the auction?

164. Phil - June 22, 2012

Never mind, it’s sill at 20K.

165. Red Shirt Diaries - June 23, 2012

Agree that Michelle Forbes and Dwight Shultz did so much more with their Trek characters with so much less screen time than Wang.

Wang is malcontent, and an epic crybaby. And all of his dumb-ass remarks are recorded from interviews and conventions, so there really is nothing to argue about here.

And yes, Wang exhibits the same sort of behavior in terms of saying things about people that he would never say to their faces that posters on this site frequently do — that is a great point!

166. Anthony Thompson - June 24, 2012

I really enjoy Garrett. He’s a fun, energetic guy with a lot of enthusiasm. Garrett Wang was definitely one of the bright spots of ‘Voyager’.

167. K-7 - June 24, 2012

I support the case being made that Garrett is saying the same sorts of things in public about Shatner, Berman, and some of his fellow actors on Voyager that he would never say to their faces. So yea, I see where Sebastian S. is being a hypocrite when he uses Garrett as the example for not saying things here on these boards that you would not want to say to someone’s face.

Sebastian S.,

Garret Wang is the “poster child” for the tactic of saying things publicly about others that he would never say to their face. That example is completely contrary to the point you were trying to make in Post 158. You need to re-think that post, seriously!

168. Red Shirt Diaries - June 24, 2012

All, I think Sebastian has “conveniently” disappeared from this discussion?

When you can’t stand the heat, you got to out of the kitchen. :=)

169. Chris Russo - June 24, 2012

Everyone says it should have been preserved. Back then studios built huge props like this, filmed them, then either reused them for other films or more often, just chucked em out the back door to rot. There was no thought to preservation. Most prop collections, like the late Forest Ackermans were basically created by people snatching this stuff out of dumpsters.
There were no prop auction houses like there are today. Prop sales have only really taken off in the last few years as people who grew up with tv and movies try to capture back a little of their past. Also, remember that Trek was NOT popular when it was originally on. It became popular when in reruns and by then all props had been pretty much tossed. Plus, most old props were basically crap construction. I own a couple of Trek props that i paid way too much for and the quality is basically nonexistent, but that’s not what owning them is about. Plus, Tv camera resolution being what it was, stuff really didn’t need to be made well. The fact that this exists at all is amazing and a testament to Lynn Miller. If someone really wants to save it, put your money up and purchase it!

170. MJ - June 25, 2012

Yea, now that somewhat of a consensus has emerged that Wang is a clown, as I had originally stated, Sebastian is conveniently AWOL. :-))

171. Red Dead Ryan - June 25, 2012

Well, I guess some people “….CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!”.

:-)

172. Red Shirt Diaries - June 25, 2012

@171. Unlike the greatest Sebastian of all, Sebastian Cabot! Now Mr. French would never have disappered if his opinion was challenged. LOL

173. algomeysa - June 28, 2012

So, the auction has ended. In the last hour, it shot up from 1 bid at $20,000 to a final selling price of $61,000.

174. MJ - June 28, 2012

My God, if a married guy bough it, can you imagine how much shit he is going to be in for when his wife actually sees this pull up in their driveway.

175. M13 - June 29, 2012

Happy belated birthday, Chris. Did you get the Saurian brandy we sent instead of the Galileo?

176. Shadowman - July 6, 2012

This reminds me of the old joke “This is my grandpa’s ax, except my dad replaced the handle and I replaced the blade.”

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