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Chris Pine Says Trek Sequel Has ‘Better Story’ + Kurtzman Says It Has ‘Bold Moves’ June 26, 2012

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Chris Pine’s new movie People Like Us opens up this weekend and the actor has been out doing lots of publicity. While promoting his new film he and director Alex Kurtzman also been talking some Trek, Pine saying the sequel has a better story and Kurtman talking about "bold moves." Check out all the latest video from Chris’ publicity tour below, inlcuding talking about his small butt and how he would do a nude scene.


Pine: Star Trek sequel story is ‘better’ + Kurtzman: Sequel has ‘hugely bold moves’

Pine isn’t revealing spoilers, but did have this to say to AICN about the Star Trek sequel:

The movie is relentless, and for the visually inclined people who want to see major sequences, there are a couple specifically that I think… I’m not a huge 3-D fan, but I think will be incredible. But what I’m more excited about and what I think they did so well is that really the story is that much better, and the journey that these guys go on is that much more, and what they always talked about is that even though they’re a crew from what we know about the original team, the fun of getting there is following that journey to where they become that tight-knit crew. It’s no fun if they’re already a tight-knit crew. So suffice it to say, they’re still learning how to get along.

And People Like Us director Alex Kurtzman also weighed in, talking more about the arc and interactions of the bridge crew:

[The bridge crew] only really came together as a team at the end of the first movie as a function of story. But the bridge crew from the original series, they aren’t those people yet, neither in age nor in experience. So I think the worst mistake that we could have made was to assume that they were there already at the top of the movie and skip that stuff. And the other thing I’ll say without revealing too much is that in the first TREK, we made choices–in our invention of the story–that were extremely controversial. Blowing up Vulcan, hugely controversial choice, and we knew that die hard Trekkers were either going to skewer us or accept it based on the emotional architecture around that choice. I think for us, TREK is at its best when it is making hugely bold moves like that, and there will be hugely bold moves in this one.


Speaking to RedEyeChicago Chris Pine talked about how he feels that Star Trek fans warmed up to him after some initial reluctance.

Chris, what’s something that surprised you about Capt. Kirk, either from playing him or people’s reactions to how you played him?
CP: Well, I will say my favorite comment that I get from hardcore fans, and they mean it as a compliment and it is, but it’s quite funny when it comes out on their lips, is, [talking quietly, seriously,] “You know, when we found out you were going to play Capt. Kirk, we were so angry. We were so sad. We were so nervous. But you turned out to be pretty good.” That’s the most backhanded compliment of all time.

Why do you think they were nervous or sad at the time?
CP: Certainly because I hadn’t done anything in my career that would—“Star Trek” fans are very protective, and understandably so. I’m sure there was nothing in my great, teeming body of work to prove that I could take on the character.

I’m sure they wanted Shatner back with a good makeup job.
CP: Totally. Totally. What was surprising to me … well, I will say this, having not been a born and bred [“Star Trek”] fan, the first time that all of us were on the bridge and I sat in the captain’s chair … looking around, it was like points of light in the audience. When that moment happened, there were real fans in the crew, grips and gaffers, the art department people, they had come just to watch that moment. Because for them it was a really momentous occasion, and I, not really understanding the gravity or the coolness of it, was kind of unaware until I saw these people light up … What it means to sit in that chair is quite powerful. Anyway, the chair became this wonderful, beautiful touchstone that was reflective of not only the journey in the film but also who you are and what you are as a person and how you want to sit in your own chair, for lack of a better metaphor. It was really cool.

And speaking to HitFix, Pine said that shooting the Star Trek sequel was "like camp that you get paid for." He also gave this assessment of the upcoming movie:

The new one is just as exciting if not bigger than the first. I think the character story…the great thing that Alex, Bob, JJ and Damon are good at is marrying small character driven films with big blockbuster actors. I that is what sets them apart from other film makers.

Here’s the video


Chris, along with People Like Us director Alex Kurtzman and co-star Elizabeth Banks, has been on a whirlwind publicity tour. Here are some of the latest videos with Chris.

AP: Chris Pine and Elizabeth Banks debate Star Trek v Hunger Games future. There is also a discussion of the smallness of Pine’s butt.

Tonight Show: Pine talks about Mantivities and how he felt he got a lot less enthusiasm from fans at the 2009 Wondercon Star Trek panel. In Part 2 he denies rumor he will be appearing in Fifty Shades of Grey movie, but says he is open to doing nude scene.

Buzzsugar: Alex Kurtzman talks about what he saw in Pine on the set of Star Trek that convinced him he was right for People Like Us.

Good Morning America: Elizabeth Banks and Chris Pine talk People Like Us.

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1. Battle-scarred Sciatica - June 26, 2012

Oh no! The mention of CP nude?

Cue the Keachick diatribe and drooling…..;)

2. Observer - June 26, 2012

“Bold moves” = “Yussa somebodee gonna die?”

…It just won’t be Spock this time…

3. Harry Ballz - June 26, 2012

I spat my wine all over my keyboard when I read Alex Kurtzman’s line about “emotional architecture”.

Christ, does one have to live in California in order to start speaking like that?!

C’mon, everybody, let’s all get together and talk about the nothingness of being!

4. Film Splicer - June 26, 2012

The fans in Japan still prefer Shatner. I attended a ST meet up and was shocked to find how narrow minded Japanese ST fans are. The foreign movie market itself is dwindling by the minute over here…please avoid the sequel flopping like its predecessor and start advertising!!!!! I heard that Transformers 4 doesn’t have a single footage of anything but still has something to show at Comicon!!!! WTF JJ!!!! I thought you were more a producer than a director!!!!!

5. OneBuckFilms - June 26, 2012

3 – He’s a professional. He’s simply using the terminology of his trade.

6. Harry Ballz - June 26, 2012


One can write a great script without resorting to new age pseudo-babbling.

7. Vultan - June 26, 2012


C’mon, man, it’s like a thing you have to like have a degree in to understand. Like you know, majoring in emotional architecture and stuff. Not sure what it is exactly… I slept through those classes….

But basically it’s what holds the buildings up, man.
Love, Peace, and Concrete. It’s all there.

8. Sean - June 26, 2012


“please avoid the sequel flopping like its predecessor”

Pretty sure the first film was far from a flop.

9. MJ - June 26, 2012

@4 “The fans in Japan still prefer Shatner. I attended a ST meet up and was shocked to find how narrow minded Japanese ST fans are.”

They allow the despicable practice of whale hunting in Japan as well. Shatner is nearly as big as a whale, so maybe these two seemingly disparate facts might be connected in some way?

“The world is a vampire…..”

(just kidding!)

10. Buzz Cagney - June 26, 2012

I’ve read and re-read what Pine had to say there and can’t find any mention of Harrison Ford or Han Solo.
I’m very happy to see Chris is up to speed now! He’s even getting the importance of that Chair.

11. be flat - June 27, 2012

“Bold move”? As in “move Delta Vega closer, because we could?” :>

12. Alt-Spock - June 27, 2012

“Blowing up Vulcan, hugely controversial choice… accept it based on the emotional architecture…” Uhhh, what?

It’s now clear why they blew it up – they have no idea why the phrase “emotional architecture” should not be uttered in the same sentence as the name Vulcan.

13. Bugs nixon - June 27, 2012

Expressions like “emotional architecture” come from the level of ones literacy.

The writers have a greater depth of understanding of narrative structure, meaning and values than we do. This is probably why they are so accomplished and have had so much success in Hollywood.

14. Keachick - rose pinenut - June 27, 2012

#1 – Huh?

“Definition of DIATRIBE
1 archaic : a prolonged discourse
2: a bitter and abusive speech or piece of writing
3: ironic or satirical criticism”

I have not written diatribe about Chris Pine.

Yes, I would like to see him naked (front and back). I suspect he would look just as lovely without clothing as he does with clothing.

I wrote a scene in a Star Trek story outline where Kirk was seen butt naked. He lets the towel that he had wrapped around him fall as he is *surprised* by the sight of a nuli… I wrote this scene with the assumption that by the time we reached Star Trek’s 23rd century the only reason for reaching for a towel as he got out of the hot pool was to prevent becoming chilled and to not get the floor wet. Concern about whether anyone sees him naked would not be a consideration.

15. Keachick - rose pinenut - June 27, 2012

Apologies everyone. My post has more or less repeated itself. I thought that I had not posted the one at #13 as it had not turned up when I checked so I re-wrote it. Probably the post at #15 is a more concise one and not such a prolonged discourse – the archaic meaning of diatribe.

16. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - June 27, 2012

“Emotional architecture” – I don’t know what the big deal is, sounds pretty understandable in context: the framework in which blowing up Vulcan would elicit an emotional reaction in Spock (even Prime Spock).

Chris Pine saying it is both visually exciting and decidedly story-driven gives me confidence and whets my appetite, even though the sentiments come from someone who is invested in the success of the film. His words sound genuine.

17. Pleasure Girl 1990 - June 27, 2012

“Hugely bold moves” = completely disregard cannon

18. Battle-scarred Sciatica - June 27, 2012


Reeled in……….



I do enjoy your wikipedic responses.

Live long and prosper. X

19. Andy Patterson - June 27, 2012

“3. Harry Ballz – June 26, 2012
I spat my wine all over my keyboard when I read Alex Kurtzman’s line about “emotional architecture”.

Christ, does one have to live in California in order to start speaking like that?”

Yeah, evidently. That and calling things “sexy” that are not or having nothing to do with……and another big artsy Hollywood thing to say is to use the word “organic” all the time. “The story just evolved in such an organic way”. Blah, blah, blah….(yawn). I avoid both of those words now because of that.

20. Brian - June 27, 2012

“Emotional architecture” isn’t a very difficult concept to grasp, if you have any sort of idea what tension and release in storytelling is.

21. Kokolo - June 27, 2012

Recently saw Prometheus. Lindelof is a bad writer. I’m very worried.
Cluelessness masquerading as vagueness.

22. Tomi_si - June 27, 2012

Like i said in the Bob Orci article i think the bold move of this movie in that the Klingons foreheads are not rigged and Benedict Cuberbatch is a Klingon.

BTW i coppyrightet this idea. or was it Bob Orci?

23. vulcanFilmCritic - June 27, 2012

Is this what we are going to get for the next year? Vague…very vague.
When you withhold ALL information about a film, there’s a thin line between keeping us in anticipation and boring us.
At this point, I’m mostly bored.

24. Trek Or Treat - June 27, 2012

# 21 I heard that. Wasn’t impressed with Prometheus at all. Here’s to hoping the Star Trek sequel is better.

25. Calastir - June 27, 2012

“I’m telling’ ya kid, it’s gonna be Bolder, Bigger, Better! With a ship twice as big to fit two whole breweries and…explosions. Huge explosions, last time we exploded a planet, now we’re gonna explode the whole damn universe ’cause that’s what the public wants. In fact, get me Michael Bay! But until the premiere; hush hush, not even a teaser trailer, mind you.”

Releasing it in 2D, now THAT would be bold!!!

26. - June 27, 2012

Elizabeth Banks is looking fine.

27. DeflectorDishGuy - June 27, 2012

In other news, anyone see Gates McFadden make a guest appearance on Franklin and Bash last night?! Doctor Crusher as a judge, who woulda thought…

28. VZX - June 27, 2012

I like what CP said about the captain’s chair. He wasn’t a fan at first, so he didn’t understand the importance of it. But now, after (as he stated) watching the entire TOS episodes and movies, and, of course, playing Kirk, he seems to be aware of how momentous it was to first sit in that chair as the captain. I’m sure it helped when seeing the production crew all light up at that moment, and listening to the reactions from fans.

Dude’s got it.

29. VZX - June 27, 2012

26. Yeah, not bad for an old lady. (Kidding! She’s the same age as me!)

30. jas_montreal - June 27, 2012

@ 3

Lol. yea.

31. Christopher Roberts - June 27, 2012

I think in terms of bold moves, the boldest would be moving it from next summer, to this Christmas… :))

Probably not going to happen though.

32. - June 27, 2012


38 is young.

To me anyway.

33. Dallas - June 27, 2012

I’m starting to think we’ve all had it wrong all along. Trek fans have been convinced that his trilogy would be “his Batman,” ie Christopher Nolan. Therefor, the second film would be the best. However, I believe JJ views this as his Star Wars. The second film will be used to set up the third. So what if Khan IS in the movie… Sortof. Okay, Cumberbatch is playing a Klingon fleet commander (original, not Kor) attacking new Vulcan or wherever. After much CGI fun was had, Kirk and Co are heading home and the mood is up beat. Then Uhura gets a message she relays over speakers. It’s admiral Pike aboard the brand new Excelsior. And he’s got incredible news! They’ve happened upon an old Earth ship, DY-500 maybe, drifting in space. It may be a sleeper ship of some kind. “The science and medical teams are beaming over now. Scans show the name as… What is it Ensign? Ss Botany Bay. Pike out.” The movie ends ominously with the bridge crew looking at each other, seemingly “knowing.” How pumped would you be for the third one? The third film could “compress” the Space Seed-esque takeover of the Excelsior but provide Khan (please, Jesus, let it be Del Toro or Jaquim from No Country) with the superweapon and giving a heavy nod towards TWOK. A bit FanFic? Sure. But I still say JJ sees this as his Star Wars, not his Batman.

34. - June 27, 2012

The word bold is unfair to use on trekkies.

It’s one of those triggers like the bells for Pavlov’s dogs . Kurtzman is playing a jedi mind trick by using words that immediately pull out an emotional response to make us see things in a favorable light.

I’m not so weak minded myself but some of you are putty to be played with.

35. - June 27, 2012


Drugs are illegal.

36. VadBaxter - June 27, 2012

I could say something constructive yet what’s the point with all the negativity in all these comments?

Prometheus, wasn’t poorly written. You just need half a brain to figure it out.

I find it amazing how some are upset because they are not getting things their way. Sit back and relax, less stress for all involved.

37. SoonerDave - June 27, 2012

If the term “bold moves” is being used to qualify the notions of destroying Vulcan, etc, then I think we’d better be prepared for something just as “big” in JJTrek2. As in *really* killing off a main character? Destroying the Enterprise? Splitting off one or more of the “main” crew onto a separate ship? Sending off a main character to, say, prison for some startling act? Sure sets up a JJTrek3, in any case.

38. Simon - June 27, 2012

“Rigged” for ridged.
“Cannon” for canon.
I thought TREK fans were better read than that.

As far as “emotional architecture” being Californian? Nope, just Hollywood.

39. drumvan - June 27, 2012

i’m sensing a big “cliffhanger” in s.t. 2013. how are we gonna be patient as spock is encased in carbonite for 4 years while we wait for s.t. 2017?

40. Legate Damar - June 27, 2012

The story is going to be better? That can’t be too hard. Trek XI wasn’t bad, but the story certainly wasn’t that movie’s strong point. Really, I’ll just be happy if Cumberbatch is a better villIn than Nero.

41. T'Cal - June 27, 2012

I like the idea that the characters are still forming into the crew. Perhaps this movies is about the Augments but ones that are on another sleeper ship. This ship has another group with one of the other leaders, this one played by BC. Who knows?

42. Gary S. - June 27, 2012

#37, they performed their “Bold Moves” in a contained story the first time,
I think they can do it again.
I highly doubt there is going to be a cliffhanger .
At least, not a direct one .
Major new threads ?
Maybe .

43. Anthony Thompson - June 27, 2012

What we know so far about the sequel:
It’s hugely bold, blindingly brilliant, face-melting and mind blowing. Oh, and Khan is not the villain. Did I miss anything?

44. Harry Ballz - June 27, 2012

20. Brian “tension and release in storytelling”

Oh, Brian, I have lots of experience with tension and release in storytelling.

Especially every time I watched Star Trek:Voyager and saw Jeri Ryan prance around in her skin-tight outfit!


45. Daoud - June 27, 2012

@43 No Janice Rand :( Although maybe Alice Eve’s character can provide similar blonde pulchritude and voluptiousness.

46. Sean4000 - June 27, 2012

Having ANY story makes it better than ST ’09!

47. Christopher Roberts - June 27, 2012

While I’m by no means a fan of what the writers did to Vulcan…

Bolder, at least differentiates the new universe from the original.

It’s right that they continue to push away from what fans expect.

A different timeline has advantages they ought TO BOLDLY GO for.

48. PEB - June 27, 2012

reading these comments really has me thinking that i got lost in a mirror universe. so many trekkies responding like this. everybody just take a breather and calm down, or at least wait for a trailer.

49. NuFan - June 27, 2012



50. Battle-scarred Sciatica - June 27, 2012

@45 Daoud

Well put.

And punchitude and voluptuousness are two words that are not used enough in my opinion and should always be in the same sentence!

51. OldDarth - June 27, 2012

‘Blowing up Vulcan, hugely controversial choice, and we knew that die hard Trekkers were either going to skewer us or accept it based on the emotional architecture around that choice.’

I was more disturbed by seeing Vulcan with a blue sky.

Yeah I know, weird.

52. Adrian Black - June 27, 2012

You people will complain about anything won’t you.

53. Keachick - rose pinenut - June 27, 2012

Prometheus was better than I expected. Good visuals. Good pacing. I liked Elizabeth Shaw and David (the android) the most. Elizabeth Shaw had some of her answers, symbolized by the cross she always wore, except on one occasion. She quickly took it back and wore it. The answers to she sought to the questions raised by what they found on the planet were on what could be described as the *mundane* level, and so she wanted to continue searching.

She pretty much *got it*. The rich sponsor dumbass never did…

So long as they don’t kill off “my captain”…

54. Dee - lvs moon' surface - June 27, 2012

CP’s comment about doing nude scene was funny …

……..I think a “good reason” will put him regret is to have talked about the “Grey thing” in Las Vegas … was annoying to see every reporter talking about that during the promotion of PLU …

I would have loved if he had spoken more about Star Trek, Jack Ryan and Mantivites … by the way, the director of Jack Ryan Sir Kenneth Branagh was at the premiere of PLU in NYC ……….. another good reason to regret, that suit he wore at the premiere of PLU in NYC on the last Monday … that “Miami Vice thing” … LOL …

……………..and “the wrong reason” to regret … “being charming and happy in whatever” ………… just saying … ;-) :-)

55. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - June 27, 2012

I haven’t had a chance to read most of the comments and I didn’t and don’t have time to view the vids, but my question is – So, has Zachary fallen off of the face of the Earth? I understand that this was a part of Chris’ movie(s) junket, but it’ll be nice when there’s something from Zachary to report – like anything.

It’s time to take a break from this place for a while. Good luck to all on their respective movies, though.

56. The Unknown Poster - June 27, 2012

Im sure the movie will be great but if I have to be concerned, here it is:

I dont like this talk of the crew still finding their way. It sounds to me like an excuse to create conflict between characters that seems unnatural to the viewer.

Its why I think they dropped the ball with how they ended the first movie. They were so determined to have the movie end with our crew together and Captain Kirk sitting in the big chair…they threw logic out the window.

A smarter creative process would have planned for a trilogy (which seems to be the Hollywood trend lately). End the first movie with the crew receiving commendations…but not a ridiculous promotion of cadet Kirk to Captain. Absolutely ludicrous.

They could ahve easily had an emotional scene of Lieutenant Kirk saying goodbye to Spock as he departs off to the Faragut, some line about *maybe* their paths will cross again.. Spock becomes 2nd officer of the Enterprise.

Chekov should not have even been in the movie.

The sequel could have allowed for a strong female guest star as “number 1″ and allowed for the Farragut to be destroyed with hero Kirk taking command in its final moments. Number 1 gets killed and the movie ends with Spock promoted to first officer.

The third movie shows Pike’s sacrifice and Kirk finally rising to the command we all know. Imagine ending that movie (with no guarantee of anymore) with the scene of a now experienced Captain Kirk taking command and flying off into the stars…

I would have liked that a lot more. hard to wrap my mind around logic holes. I think the argument that the public at large want “Captain” Kirk under-estimates the public’s desire for quality story-telling over illogical gimmicks.

57. Eprom - June 27, 2012

Not even the teaser trailer that movieclipsTrailers has beenrunning for days?

58. JR - June 27, 2012

perhaps New Vulcan will blow up too.

59. LizardGirl - June 27, 2012

Your post is very thought provoking. I like how you made your points. Very clear and simple to understand. I think that if they planned the movies as a trilogy like that it would have worked out wonderfully. It would have eased the old school trekkers into the altered universe, making it easier to accept.

Hopefully moving forward, the focus on good story telling will be emphasized a lot more. My favorite trek episodes are the ones with great storytelling and a good dose of moral fiber or a moral dilemma.

60. Cody - June 27, 2012

I love most things TREK. I am 40 years old and grew up on the reruns of the Original Series. I’m geeky enough to name the title of every original episode. Just one sign of my geeky hardcorness (I know that’s not a word).

I, as most trekkers, was initially a skeptic. The first time I saw it, there was so much to take in, it was hard to completely enjoy it. By the third viewing, I realized how genius the movie really is.

If anyone dislikes this new franchise based on one planet being blown up and another being relocated, then you are a bigger nerd than me and quite frankly an idiot. Not only that, but you really don’t know what trek is all about. There are sooo many scenes in this movie that are in and of themselves, great. As Star Trek scenes, they are utterly brilliant. Genius. This production team “gets” it in every way. The characters, the dialogue, the story, the heart, etc. They understand this universe.

That said, it did have a few problems, but all movies do. The original movies had flaws in them, or do we forget so easily? My only real pick at them was the chromed out phasers. Big deal. I suppose they could have screwed the characters all to hell, as long as Delta Vega is properly located and the phasers are the way I like them? Um, no.

What they did was capture the essence of a universe and characters I have spent most of my life being a fan of. Not only did they please me, but thousands and thousands of others. Not an easy task.

The sequel can’t get here fast enough.

But what do I know? I’m just a Trekker :)

61. Keachick - rose pinenut - June 27, 2012

Dee – What do you mean by Chris and regret?

Yes, indeed, Chris Pine will have as his next director a Knight of the Realm no less. Kenneth Branagh became Sir Kenneth Branagh in the latest Queen’s Birthday Honours List. I love being a Commonwealther. I might yet get to be a Dame – hahaha…

Yummy pictures of Chris Pine on JustJared. The double-breasted suit is OK but the difference is that he is not wearing the strangle-bangle…oops tie and he looks just that much better because of it. It looks like he is giving his gorgeous face a rest from continual shaving or maybe his Jack Ryan character will be sporting a beard in the next movie. I’m getting used to Chris with a beard so long as it is not too long and dark. Perhaps he will also keep some of the fairer hair. He looks fine with either darker brown hair or with this lighter, fairer look.

OK – that’s my sorta drooling and melting over for now…:)

62. Phil - June 27, 2012

@56. I suspect Paramount would have shot down a trilogy because of the performance of the last couple of Trek movies. They had enough confidence in JJ’s vision to give him a big budget, but not enough for a three picture committment to Trek. The suits green lit the sequel when it was becoming obvious that Trek09 was going to be a hit.

63. Captain Smirk - June 27, 2012

No offense to Mr. Simon Pegg, but I think they should kill off Scotty in the sequel. Not because I don’t like his take on the character, I simply find it unrealistic that there can be any incarnation of Star Trek wear a red-shirted crewman can survive an episode. This is worse than getting how supernovas work completely wrong.

64. Al - June 27, 2012

There is no canon now.

65. MJ - June 27, 2012

Seriously all,

Maybe it is time to redefine canon as something more high-level and thematic versus sweating how the details compare across three generations of Trek media and counting.

66. The Unknown Poster - June 27, 2012

@62 True, but even then, ending it in a more logical way would have been a better conclusion to that one movie.

It would have made the viewer long to see more if they had the crew more or less going their separate ways. We *know* they all come together but here they are, just kids, not yet together.

It would have filled in some logic holes and allowed the hardcore fans to see some semblance of continuity to the real world.

67. Dee - lvs moon' surface - June 27, 2012

#61. Keachick… CP’s outfit in LA last week was great… but in NYC I didn’t like…

more photos here:

68. Captain Otter - June 27, 2012

Captin Smirk,

if they kill Scotty, who will they cast as Welshy?

Oh my!

69. Jack - June 27, 2012

“If anyone dislikes this new franchise based on one planet being blown up and another being relocated, then you are a bigger nerd than me and quite frankly an idiot. Not only that, but you really don’t know what trek is all about.”


I don’t mind them changing everything, as long as it works. And I want what they do in these new stories to make sense within those stories/ within this new universe, as much as possible.

Canon was never supposed to be about minutia. Early concordances of TOS looked at continuity errors in episodes (which happen in every show) but not in a “this is all real” sort of way. Like Rhoda having a three siblings on Mary Tyler Moore and then that being changed to just one for Rhoda, because it worked for that show. Either they’re mistakes, or people don’t care or both.

Yeah, you want consistency, ideally — if Kirk had a brother Sam in one episode, ideally you don’t want someone mentioning “Kirk’s only sibling, Louise” in another episode down the road. But, really, whatever.

Filling out the details and timeline of the 23rd/24th century and filling in all the details of how everything worked , well, was a make work project… and it was also an inevitable consequence of 18 years spent telling these stories between 5 series and two separate movie franchises. And it nearly sank the whole bloated, creaky thing and made telling new stories nearly impossible. I also think TNG really hurt the TOS movie franchise.

Yes, I was noting curiosity about Delta Vega when it got brough t up again the other day, and I’ve been annoyed about bits like the supernova destroying the galaxy. But those aren’t about canon, really (even the Delta Vega bit) — it’s more, if you’re setting this in the same universe and want consistency, why are you choosing to change some things and not others — that, and the supernova thing just sounded lame. Yes, it’s not real — but do a couple of Wikipedia searches for Pete’s sake. There are times you have to sacrifice scientific accuracy for ease of storytelling and budget… and sometimes it doesn’t really matter… and sometimes imagination and creativity trumps boring facts — but, come on.

By the way. I keep bringing up the damned supernova because I’m hoping Bob will point me to some obscure article saying “Yes, you bastard, a supernova really can do this. Now Shut TFU already.”

70. Red Dead Ryan - June 27, 2012


You’re an idiot. Scotty is one of the greatest characters in all of Trek. To kill him off just because you hold a grudge against Simon Pegg is just absolutely asinine of the highest order.

By the way, I noticed you’re going by “Captain Smirk” now. We had a similar discussion over Pegg/Scotty a couple of months ago when you were posting under different name. Proves how much of a frakkin’ coward you are!


71. Glob - June 27, 2012

Mark my words. By the time Orci and JarJar Abrams are done with Star Trek, we will be extremely angry at them as they leave $1 on our nightstand.

And they will think that’s the funniest thing ever.

72. David - June 27, 2012


That would be “Taffy”.

73. Red Dead Ryan - June 27, 2012


Mark my words, you will be the only one sitting in the theatre miserable after watching their final Trek movie. You’ll look like a total jackass and the rest of us will find it the funniest thing ever! :-))

74. Phil - June 27, 2012

@65. Agreed, I’d have to think that canon was intended to provide come overall continuity to the Trek universe, now it’s treated like case law.

75. Keachick - rose pinenut - June 27, 2012

Dee – I agree that the grey suit was not the best and then there are the black shoes and no socks. I will no doubt see a rendering of this latest in men’s fashions in local shops in weeks/months to come. Oh what joy…LOL It looks like the men’s fashion world is going all retro – back to the late 50’s/early 60’s style. And people say that the bell bottom pants of the 70’s looked bad…really?

I usually prefer jackets to remain unbuttoned most of the time anyway, whether on a man or a woman and no tie. I see that Ellen DeGeneres has got into wearing ties as well. Ye Gods Almighty….UGH!

Chris Pine manages to look very nice despite what the trendy fashion gurus decide to have him model for our viewing pleasure or otherwise. He’s actually a really good model – seriously, and no shame in that either. Then there is the constant messing with his hair…I guess he’s having fun.

This is soooo OT…oops.

76. Bob Tompkins - June 27, 2012

The pattern of the Trek movies from 2 forward was that something that changed the paradigm of Trek had to happen, hopefully topping the last movie.
Spock died, Enterprise blown up, Enterprise A, Spock has a brother, Klingons sue for peace, Kirk dies/Enterprise blows up [again], Borg threat ends [haha], Roddenberry’s vision of perfect and harmonious humanity destroyed [a theme that everyone seemed to overlook], Picard and Data discover their clones/Data ‘dies, then the timeline is erased and Vulcan destroyed….
It has become a game of one- upmanship from one movie to the next, all of which actually failed to match the death of Spock way back in 1982. Even the destruction of Vulcan wasn’t as wrenching.
Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t.
Star Trek 4 is the perfect example of where the aim should be. It was a great little character- driven vehicle that underplayed one- upmanship on the spectacle end of things- yet I got chills up and down my spine when I first saw Enterprise A and my wife even let out a little cheer, once of only two times she ever did anything like that in a movie, the first after nearly squeezing all of the blood out of my hand from the tension and then nearly jumping up in her seat when the first Death Star blew up in 1977…
Just tell good stories with characters we can care about or love to hate and forget upping the spectacle of it.

77. Bob Tompkins - June 27, 2012

Had you told me Cumberbatch was cast in the movie and we had no picture spoilers of him in physical battles, I would have guessed he might be playing Q.

78. Phil - June 27, 2012

On a canon related note, there was a lot of speculation about new uniform shots that were leaked. Found a gag reel from 2009, and it looks very familiar to the leaked pics.

79. Dee - lvs moon' surface - June 27, 2012

#75. Keachick…

Chris Pine Was Chased By A Crazed Gay Pride Trekkie….. LOL

………….. CAPTAIN KIRK!!!

80. George Zip - June 28, 2012

#77 “Had you told me Cumberbatch was cast in the movie and we had no picture spoilers of him in physical battles, I would have guessed he might be playing Q.”

Yup, my first two thoughts were Gary Seven (he has that look) or Trelane.

81. Simon - June 28, 2012

#69 – Look up Hypernova.

Scary stuff when you think about them.

Since most people don’t know what a hypernova is, it’s easier to say “supernova” in the movie…

82. jo - June 28, 2012

One of Cumberbatch’s fansites was told by a little birdie that he is playing Khan. The webmaster seems quite matter of fact about it. She’s always cautious so I’m happy to believe 100% that Cumberbatch is playing Kahn.

83. Azrael - July 4, 2012

I bet Chris and Alex wish they had picked a different release date for People Like Us because they are getting crushed by McFarlane’s Ted, to bad really, McFarlane has been irritating me more and more lately, it would have been nice to see him taken down a peg.

84. Keachick - July 4, 2012

I think everybody figured that the Ted film would do well, but it seems that People Like Us is not doing that badly. I read that it was at no. 8 of the top 10 movies at the box office. Hopefully, good word of mouth will keep people coming to cinemas just to check it out, give it a go. Most of the reviews seem to be positive, which is good.

85. Azrael - July 4, 2012

Ted brought in 55+ million in its first weekend, People Like Us brought in 4.6 million the same weekend. That isn’t doing well, that is getting crushed, and (at least in america) any Box Office position below 5 in the first week is considered a failure.

86. Keachick - July 4, 2012

People Like Us is not being seen outside the USA. The only countries that have release dates so far are Argentina – 2 August, Hungary – 9 August and Germany – 18 October, all this year 2012.

I am hoping that it will at least make its money back (between $16 – $20 million). I am also hoping that we might see a Christmas release date – somewhere around 17 December will be fine by me…:) Fingers crossed.

I have only seen three movies this year – Sherlock Holmes – Game of Shadows, This Means War and Prometheus. The film I found the most enjoyable was This Means War – funny with a certain amount of subtle satire. Prometheus was the next best because of the visuals and very good pacing and finally Sherlock Holmes.

I enjoy both renditions of Sherlock Holmes by Robert Downey Jnr in the movies and by Benedict Cumberbatch in the TV series. Both actors make the respective movies and TV series very watchable, despite, or perhaps because of, their slight different takes on the character.

87. Azrael - July 4, 2012

The numbers I listed are only from the American box office totals so your statement means nothing. Ted made 55 million plus in America alone, not counting anything from the rest of the world. People Like Us made 4.6 million in America alone, PLU got unequivocally crushed, period.

I am not, as you seem to think, criticizing the film in any way. I am simply stating facts. Come on up at #83 I said it was sad that Ted was beating PLU because I wanted Seth McFarlane to fail for a change, so how exactly am I criticizing People Like Us?

88. Keachick - July 4, 2012

Azrael – I did not say that you were criticizing the film. I simply said that other countries cannot see the film – yet and stating my own hopes re PLU.

89. Azrael - July 4, 2012

Sorry Kea, I’ve had a bad day, and I kind of thought your statement that PLU had not been seen outside of the US meant that you thought I included the worldwide numbers for Ted. Lets just call it a misunderstanding, I’d wish you a happy 4th if it meant anything in NZ, but have a good night anyway.

90. Jadzia+Worf's fan - July 8, 2012

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