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TrekInk: Review of Star Trek #12, November solicits, and comics news roundup August 24, 2012

by Mark Martinez , Filed under: Comics,History,Magazine,Review,Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback

Scotty’s unauthorized transwarp beaming research comes back to haunt him with a furry vengeance in Star Trek #12. Meanwhile, IDW Publishing solicits more Star Trek comics for November 2012 and TrekMovie rounds up recent comics news. Some spoilers after the break.

Star Trek #12
written by Mike Johnson, art by Claudia Balboni, colors by Arianna Florean, lettering by Neil Uyetake, inspired by the original teleplay of The Trouble With Tribbles by David Gerrold, creative consultant Roberto Orci, edited by Scott Dunbier

Story

The Truth About Tribbles, Part 2: While the little furry beasts multiply wildly on Iota Germinorum IV and Earth, the landing party must rely on Uhura’s Klingon language skills to disable the explosive device left by a Bird-of-Prey. Back on the ship, with news of an uncontrolled fuzzy infestation back home, Scotty is in serious trouble. Science and medical personnel analyze the little furballs, hoping to find a way to manage their proliferation. A discussion with Scott gives Spock the clue to a chilling solution, which Scott is volunteered to test. Success means some absolution for Scott, but he has one more encounter–a furry beast with four more legs than your average tribble.

Fuzzy bastards!

Fuzzy bastards!

Review

Mike Johnson takes the ongoing Star Trek comic where no tribble has gone before. Tense scenes defusing a bomb lead into serious questions about a lifeform that might turn into a life-threatening hazard. Of course, the seriousness is broken up with Scotty’s irreverant dialogue. I still find it a little difficult to reconcile the carelessness of alt-Scotty in comparison with Scotty Prime, but Johnson’s re-imagining of the classic television episode is as entertaining as it is thought-provoking. My only quibble about this tale of the tribble is the four-legged coda. The ending begs a lot of questions. I wonder if they’ll be answered in future issues? I guess we’ll see.

The artwork by Claudia Balboni is outstanding, as is the coloring by Arianna Florean. Their work has the look and feel of the 2009 film which I also found very entertaining. Their beagle work is quite good too. I gave the covers for this monthly series a hard time last month. Don’t get me wrong. I like Tim Bradstreet’s stylized covers with their photo-realistic art. It’s probably been a few months since I last said this–variant covers are annoying as hell. Since IDW is going to the trouble of publishing a fistful of variants, I wish they would inject a little more variety into their efforts. This month’s covers follow the same pattern as previous issues, Tim Bradstreet’s art is featured on the regular cover and a retailer incentive sketch cover. The other retailer incentive cover has a photo of alt-Spock. I would have selected a photo of Scott, but what do I know? Is Simon Pegg less telegenic than Zachary Quinto?

Star Trek #12 cover art by Tim Bradstreet

Cover: Art by Tim Bradstreet

Star Trek #12 RI A cover art by Tim Bradstreet Star Trek #12 RI B photo cover

Cover RI A: Art by Tim Bradstreet, Cover RI B: Photo cover

Regardless of whether or not you like the covers, this alternate universe tale was entertaining and you can get a copy of Star Trek #12 at your local comic shop this Wednesday. IDW Star Trek comics can also be purchased online at TFAW:

November Star Trek comics solicits from IDW

Star Trek, Vol. 3, cover art by Tim Bradstreet

Star Trek, Vol. 3
Mike Johnson (w) • Stephen Molnar & Claudia Balboni (a) • Tim Bradstreet (c)
The countdown to the next STAR TREK movie continues here. In The Return of the Archons, Kirk, Spock, and the crew search for a lost Starfleet ship that may hold clues to the future of the entire Federation and in The Truth About Tribbles, the crew of the Enterprise encounters the classic alien species in an ALL-NEW story inspired by the fan-favorite episode.
TPB • FC • $17.99 • 104 pages • ISBN 978-1-61377-515-8

Bullet points:

Offered Again!

Star Trek #15, cover art by Tim Bradstreet

Star Trek #15
Mike Johnson (w) • Stephen Molnar (a) • Tim Bradstreet (c)
The countdown to next year’s STAR TREK sequel continues here, in an all-new re-imagining of the classic Mirror Universe story! Witness the transformation of the new Enterprise crew in part one of this blockbuster story, overseen by STAR TREK writer/producer Roberto Orci!
FC • 32 pages • $3.99

Variant Covers:

Star Trek: The Next Generation: Hive #3 (of 4), cover art by Joe Corroney

Star Trek: The Next Generation: Hive #3 (of 4)
Brannon Braga, Terry Matalas & Travis Fickett (w) • Joe Corroney, photo (a & c)
The Borg story to end all Borg stories warps towards it thrilling conclusion!
In the far-flung future the Borg Queen faces off against the Borg King… an ancient Locutus! The stakes have never been so high, as the fate of the Enterprise–and the entire galaxy–hang in the balance!
FC • 32 pages • $3.99

Variant Covers:

Bullet points:

Star Trek TNG/Doctor Who: Assimilation2 #7 (of 8), cover art by J.K. Woodward

Star Trek TNG/Doctor Who: Assimilation2 #7 (of 8)
Scott & David Tipton (w) • J.K. Woodward & Gordon Purcell (a) • Woodward (c)
The Doctor and his companions must travel into the past and navigate through one of the Federation’s most crushing defeats in order to prevent an even worse fate in the present!
FC • 32 pages • $3.99

Cover art by Jenny Frison

Variant Covers:

Bullet Points:

Recently released

Star Trek 100-Page Spectacular Summer 2012
Star Trek 100-Page Spectacular Summer 2012
Nathan Archer, Christopher Golden, and Tom Sniegoski (w) • Dave Hoover and Jeff Moy (a) • Travis Charest (c)

FC • 100 pages • $7.99

The latest issue of Star Trek: The Official Magazine celebrates the 25th anniversary of Star Trek: The Next Generation and features an article on the TNG/Who comics from IDW Publishing. This monthly magazine routinely features reviews of Star Trek comics, although they are usually a couple of months behind actual release dates.

Star Trek: The Official Magazine #41 Star Trek: The Official Magazine #41, alternate cover

Star Trek: The Official Magazine #41, regular and alternate covers

More Star Trek comics news

Another cover image for Star Trek: The Newspaper Strips, Vol. 1 was released recently, featuring the artwork of Thomas Warkenton. The cover provided with the October solicits may have been a placeholder. This cover is much more appealing.

Star Trek: The Newspaper Strips, Vol. 1, cover art by Thomas Warkenton

Cover: Art by Thomas Warkenton

In case you missed it, the summer issue of Star Trek: The Official Magazine contains an article on Star Trek comics. In Four Colour Flashback: A Universal History of Star Trek Comics, Andy Mangels concisely presents 45 years of comics history with cover images and original art. It’s worth tracking down a copy if you don’t already own issue #40.

Star Trek: The Official Magazine #40 Star Trek: The Official Magazine #40, alternate cover

Star Trek: The Official Magazine #40, regular and alternate covers

Time for one last thing

Finally, I had nothing better to do the other day, so here’s a scintillating video of a 1979 McDonald’s Happy Meal Star Trek Video Communicator in action, featuring comic strip #3 with the title Time and Time and Time Again.

Mark Martinez is an obsessive-compulsive Star Trek comics reader and collector. You can visit his website, the Star Trek Comics Checklist for more than you ever needed to know about Star Trek comics.

Comments

1. Rusty C - August 24, 2012

First! I love the comics it opens up so maney new avenues

2. Daoud - August 24, 2012

Thank you Mark for a great article.

3. Gary S . - August 24, 2012

Kudos Mark .
The article was great fun .

4. RAO - August 24, 2012

First of all, it’s nice to have some new news on the site.

I’m excited to see new stories with the new crew, instead of old stories with the new crew. How awesome does Spock2 look with the beard? It’s actually a bit creepy just how much Quinto looks like Nimoy from “Mirror, Mirror.”

5. L4YERCAKE - August 24, 2012

Surprised to see they’re already doing the mirror universe, can’t wait to read it. Art’s improved a lot in the last five issue or so, although those Bradstreet covers are a joke…

6. Bob - August 24, 2012

Maybe I’m late to the party here, but I just finished the 2nd part of the latest comic, dealing with the tribbles. As they said there were clues to the next film in these, there is a brief appearance of a blond Janice Rand. Alice Eve? Or has this been debunked elsewhere. I’m admittedly out of touch.

7. Sebastian S. - August 24, 2012

Looking forward to the new issues of the IDW 2009 timeline episodes. Kind of interesting to see a followup to Scotty’s pet tribble. I wonder why it didn’t seem to reproduce on Delta Vega. Did Scotty not feed the poor thing? First he kills Archer’s dog, now this…

If I have any major nits about the new IDW series, it’s that new Scotty is too ‘hip’ and irreverent (I agree with the reviewer on that point). Some of his dialogue borders on Joss Whedon-speak, which fits fine for “Avengers” “Firefly” and “Buffy” but seems a teensy bit out of place on Star Trek…

It’s a minor nit, to be sure, and it could probably be explained away by the newer Scotty having a bit more of a rebellious streak (due to his Delta Vega exile) than his prime counterpart (fits better with his Glasgow accent as opposed to Doohan’s less edgy Aberdeen one; maybe post-Kelvin, new Scotty’s family relocated to Glasgow?).

At any rate, I’ll be reading the new issues as soon as they appear in a collection; I hate buying one issue at a time. I prefer the 4 issue collections (a better value, IMO).

8. 750 Mang - August 24, 2012

So how did Kirk’s dad dying make Scotty a hipster?

9. jamesingeneva - August 24, 2012

Thank god, we got ourselves a post! Thanks Mark!

10. Mustard Shirt - August 24, 2012

I agree with the review, i do find it difficult to accept this ‘careless’ Mr Scott… Doohan’s Scott was perhaps the most committed, dependable and responsible member of the crew… all the characteristics i love about Scotty. I hope this isn’t a warning about the Scotty to come.

11. Sebastian S. - August 24, 2012

# 8

Not really sure.
But the Kelvin’s destruction was obviously a critical event (sort of a Starfleet 9/11); not only did it splinter off an all-new timeline, but it started an exponential growth of Federation technology far in advance of when it should’ve happened in the prime timeline. I imagine the Kelvin’s destruction by a far superior Romulan vessel really scared all the Starfleet R&D guys into action.

So who’s to say how the secondary characters’ lives weren’t impacted by this new ‘space race’ as well? That technological explosion would’ve definitely made some far reaching changes throughout the Federation.

And maybe Scotty’s dad was chief engineer of the Kelvin? Maybe the new ‘rebel’ Scotty also grew up without a father figure. Who knows?

12. Vultan - August 24, 2012

#11

Everyone’s dad was on that friggin’ ship. It was on its way to a bowling tournament in the Turkey Nebula.

13. Pauln6 - August 24, 2012

They’ve claimed Rand isn’t in the next movie. I would have thought the research scene was a prime opportunity to use Chapel – a research biologist but they didn’t, so while Dehner is still my top choice, it might be an indication that Eve is Chapel. I think think Rand might be more prominent here because they’re gearing up to one of the Rand heavy episodes from season one – possibly Enemy Within!

I liked this story overall. It was one of the first ones that didn’t feel rushed and it made good use of the supporting cast.

14. Chasco - August 25, 2012

#7 It’s not a ‘minor nit’. It’s a great big major one, and if they’re going to continue down this “Scotty’s an idiot” line for the next movie it’s going to ruin it for me bigtime.
Prime Scotty would have had absolutely zero patience with nuScotty (or his stupid sidekick) and would likely have put the pair of them through a wall. Personally, I wish someone would.

15. Bill Peters - August 25, 2012

@14 He isn’t an Idiot he showed it in the movie as well as in the comics but unlike the Scotty of the Prime Universe, this Scotty was Punished for his Brilliance by being put on Delta Vega for ticking of One Admiral Archer, He is right he was stuck on a Ice Planet where his Tribble didn’t become an Environmental Disaster, and by the way Scotty was stuck on that planet for sometime before Spock Prime and Kirk found him, the Job he was given was meant to be a Dead end job, one without him having the use of his Genus because of a Mistake he made.

I don’t think he will be an Portrayed as an Idot at all in the next film but this Scotty brilliance is also framed by the fact that he has a great mind but hasn’t had much of a chance to use it on a backwater post after doing something that made a Superior Officer mad.

He has to re-learn how to use that great mind after being put in an Isolated post with Outadated at best Tech.

16. Dom - August 25, 2012

8. 750 Mang

Just take the attitude that it’s a different universe from the outset, the same way Fringe has two universes that are extremely similar, but with differing technology and variations in the personalities. I take the view that, with inevitable variations for a different universe, events were proceeding on similar lines to the original universe, but the Narada’s incursions will have changed the timeline subsequently. But the new universe was never a clone of the original.

The destruction of the Kelvin might well have raised eyebrows in the new universe, but even allowing for a butterfly effect from it, there’s little chance on a multi-planetary scale that things would be **that** different until the destruction of Vulcan and a large portion of the Starfleet and its latest generation of trainees.

17. Markonian - August 25, 2012

The Mirror Universe in New Trek – I’m looking forward to it. However, there must’ve been a timeline change in the M.U. too, otherwise they would still be excatly like we’ve seen them in “Mirror, Mirror”.

18. Toonloon - August 25, 2012

Okay, I’ll say it AGAIN with less emphatic language… Welcone back. Where have you been? Please don’t delete this post.

19. Toonloon - August 25, 2012

Whoops. My bad. Damn browser isn’t refreshing. Apologies for the bad language earlier.

20. SomeRandomGuy - August 25, 2012

I know this isn’t a Pascale post, but as expected, no reason given for the absence. Great way to treat the readers.

21. SomeRandomGuy - August 25, 2012

http://www.combom.co.uk/2012/08/covers-and-preview-for-doctor-whostar.html

22. Daoud - August 25, 2012

@17 It’s simply a different mirror universe. The original mirror universe was already forked once by the novels, with different TNG era mirrors. By TNG _Parallels_ there’s no reason we couldn’t see multiple mirror universes that are en gros similar, but then diverge. Since Orci is using the MWI of QM in everything Trek… it all fits.
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@13 I agree Dehner makes most sense, because Orci purposely avoided including her in the comic WNMHGB redux. However, I still think she looks so Besch-like, that she’d have made a great Carol. And there are those who want Leila Kalomi….

23. nuTrek rocks - August 25, 2012

I loved it! The nu comics keep getting better and better and the new timeline diverge more and more from the old one! I can’t wait to see the new take of the Mirror universe.

24. Jonboc - August 25, 2012

#20 “I know this isn’t a Pascale post, but as expected, no reason given for the absence. Great way to treat the readers.”

Boo hoo, cry me a river.

Anthony, should you be reading this, you’re “treatment” of the readers is just fine. We come and check the news….if there is a story, we read it and go about our day. If there is no story, we move on to other business. Bob drops in once and awhile, and that’s fun. With the exception of the usual vocal ingrates, the majority, that visit this site, appreciate your efforts. Please disregard the absurd “demands” of the squeeky wheels and just do what you need to do. Most of us really aren’t that obsessed with how you choose to run your site and will continue to enjoy it.

25. Bob Tompkins - August 25, 2012

Just glad to see the site active again.
I trek to Downtown Comics in Indy twice a month and pick up all the Star Trek and Superman titles, along with anything Neal Adams produces.
I could buy online, but I enjoy chatting with the owner and I am always in favor of supporting small local businesses.
Support your local comic shop today!!!!

26. Sebastian S. - August 25, 2012

# 15.

But what I’m still curious about (and hopefully what the comic will answer) is why didn’t the tribble reproduce on Delta Vega? They spontaneously reproduce when they eat, so didn’t Scotty feed the poor thing? Or (and most likely) the cold on Delta Vega was a factor in inhibiting tribble reproduction.

And I personally never thought new Scotty was an idiot. Quite the contrary; he (like Kirk) seems to be another frustrated genius.

# 12 Vultan

LOL!

Maybe Chekov’s ‘prime’ mother was aboard too; his dad remarried and so now in the new timeline, a woman with blond curly hair and blue eyes gave birth to him….

;-D

27. SomeRandomGuy - August 25, 2012

#24

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

28. Craiger - August 25, 2012

Little late on this story. Trekweb had this story 5 days ago. This is what happens when Trekweb takes long breaks, news articles Trekmovie posts become old news.

http://trekweb.com/articles/2012/08/20/Star-Trek-Comics-for-November-2012-Mirror-Universe-of-the-JJ-Abrams-Timeline-Brannon-Bragas-Hive-3-and-More.shtml

29. rm10019 - August 25, 2012

Great to have a new article, they are doing a fine job with the Trek ongoing series. Just the right balance between the familiar and new twists that will hopefully pay off for the hard core fans in the new film.

30. Lostrod - August 25, 2012

#24

Hmmm. So when were you appointed apologist for everyone else?

I agree completely that Anthony has the right to update or not update his site as he sees fit. When he does update it, it’s great.

However, as many people (note that I don’t use the presumptuous “most of us”) have pointed out, the problem is that he doesn’t take the time to notify his customers when he is going on conten hiatus.

When people keeping checking back and find no updates, they have a perfect right to be frustrated.

So now that the site has resumed content somewhat, it would be nice if management would acknowledge the gap. Otherwise, it appears they do not read or care about customer feedback.

Actually, I’m less offended by Anthony’s content gap that your childish and arrogant insults to those who did voice an opinion about the gap.

Regards.

31. Slornie - August 25, 2012

Looking forward to Star Trek Vol. 3, but I hope that by collecting the compilation issues I’m not setting myself up to be behind the times when Star Trek 2013 comes out!

32. Jonboc - August 25, 2012

#30…or should I address you as ingrate #1? Being one, of maybe 4 (which some how equates to “many” in your bizaaro world.) that continuously piss and moan about what you believe you are entitled to. While all the rest that visit this site…presumably more than 4, seem to understand the situation and don’t give it two thoughts or obsess over it. The simple fact that you, and a handful of complainers, can even percieve Anthony’s failure to explain his absence as a “problem” speaks volumes.

And yeah, you can label my commentary on your ridiculous expectations as “childish” or “arrogant” anything you want really. If it somehow validates, in your own mind, the absurdity of your position, more power to ya!

33. Mark Lynch - August 25, 2012

How about we just comment on the articles and leave the sniping at the door?

34. RAO - August 25, 2012

NuScotty is hard to take. As much as I love Pegg, he was the wrong choice for the role. You don’t need a comic relief character, especially if you’re going to bastardize (sorry, PineKirk) the only character who had as much claim to the Enterprise as Kirk himself. And he certainly doesn’t need a walking pinecone sidekick.

As for the mirror universe… Wouldn’t it be logical that a mirror Narada went back in time, possibly as the hero, after the Empire CAUSED the destruction of Romulus? I’m going to assume here that the DS9 mirror universe is going to be rightfully ignored, of course. So this mirror universe wouldn’t be the mirror universe of TOS, but the mirror universe of the alternate universe. Perhaps McCoy snuck Kirk aboard, and he killed Pike to take command. There’s a ton of possibilities here and they are very thought provoking. I’m looking forward to that issue moreso than any since the WNMHGB remake.

35. Lostrod - August 25, 2012

#32

If you were to check your facts you will find that hardly post complaints about the site here. My response to you was just stating that folks have the right to complain about lack of content or explanations. As well as my assertion that you should not profess to speak for the majority.

However, you fell back on another immature rant. So nothing more for me to add here. However, someone more eloquent like MJ may have something to add.

Regards.

36. Perplex - August 25, 2012

Why is there a new mirror universe in the first place? Kelvin exploded, new universe/timeline created, got it…so where comes the new mirror universe from, where everything looks like Abramstrek?

37. Red Dead Ryan - August 25, 2012

#36.

Maybe the J.J-Defiant disappears into an interphasic rift and winds up in the hands of the Tholians in the alt-Mirror Universe? And the alt-Terran Empire steals it from them?

Sort of like the “The Tholian Web”/”In A Mirror, Darkly” thread.

38. Nony - August 25, 2012

Interesting how the comics are pointing toward a Starfleet Intelligence storyline. Little possible hint in this issue about ‘keeping an eye on your crew’ (infiltration?)…Mr. Cumberbatch’s Starfleet shirt, anyone?

39. Markonian - August 25, 2012

22. Daoud: Yes, that’s true. However, the looks of the new ST timeline are the direct result of the Narada’s incursion. To have one (of the many) Mirror Universe(s) emulate the same style would require a similar Narada-Kelvin event. Do I make sense?

However, this is just a nitpick: I’d love to see the new Enterprise with fierce yellow Imperial markings and what the uniforms look like.

40. Booborci - August 25, 2012

8. Butterfly effect

41. Bird of Prey - August 25, 2012

Since the movie came out I have wondered if the Abrams-Timeline comes as full package with it’s own Mirror Universe, or if the Mirror Universe is a completely separate entity, that just happened to be relatively easily accessible from the Prime Timeline… Now we know I guess.
The point of divergence between the two Mirror Universes is presumably when the USS Defiant appears there in the 22nd century. In this regard, it will be interesting to know how “The Tholian Web” will pan out in the Abrams-verse…

42. Curious Cadet - August 25, 2012

@ 22

The “mirror universe” is not a parallel universe in the sense that Abrams Trek now exists as a splintered timeline off the original. This universe was always portrayed as being able to travel back and forth, like DS9 often did, with all things remaining the same, not splintering into some new reality. This has little to do with MWI as I understand it, and more to do with the Fringe depiction of the multiverse.

I’m curious to see how Orci will spin this adaptation of current theoretical physics as he’s applied it to Trek, particularly since he considers these comics to be canon.

43. SoonerDew - August 25, 2012

Every time I see a reference to the “Trek TNG/Dr. Who” crossover works I consciously shake off this nightmarish thought that Cumberbatch is Dr. Who and the upcoming JJTrek2 will be an epic franchise-killing disaster, worse even than ShatnerTrek V….Then I realize, no, no way, they’d never do that. And I relax. A little.

44. RAO - August 25, 2012

44. I’d still take TFF over any TNG movie. Never got why people hate it so much, it was the closest to the series of any of the movies IMO. To each his own, though.

45. Thomas - August 25, 2012

44. RAO

For me, TFF is a potentially good movie with interesting ideas, but it suffers badly in the execution. But, it at least felt like a movie; INS was a glorified one-hour episode of TNG.

46. Bucky - August 25, 2012

Oh, yeah, that’s interesting that the JJ-verse has it’s own Mirror-verse. But a big moment in the Mirror-verse is when Cochrane shoots down the Vulcan at first contact as show on Enterprise. Now in one of the novels, it postulated that Cochrane blowing away the Vulcan only happened because of the Borg invasion & distrustful of aliens. But is that a point of divergence or is the mirror-universe just bad to the bone even before that? And how does that affect the JJ-verse-Mirror-verse? Because something would have to update the JJ-verse-Mirror-verse to be more like the JJ-verse or else the JJ-verse would, theoretically, just end up running into the TOS-Mirror-verse!

What I wanna know is how damn genocidal Mirror-verse Nero was! Wait, what were the Romulans up to in the Mirror-verse at the time of the DS9 episodes.

Oh dear, I’ve just gone crosseyed.

47. 750 Mang - August 25, 2012

#40 – Really? #IDon’tBuyIt

48. 750 Mang - August 25, 2012

Kirk’s dad dying also made Spock and Uhura a couple? I don’t buy it. The butterfly effect reasoning makes the Star Trek universe very small. Like toddler Darth Vader building C-3PO. I also don’t buy into the Kelvin incident being a 9-11 type catastrophe. As Trek fans, we all know how many ships have been obliterated throughout the franchise and it didn’t cause Trek technology to leap ahead a century. The truth is, it’s happening this way because that’s how the brain trust wanted it. Just like Delta Vega. Kirk’s dad dying didn’t make Delta Vega a moon of Vulcan. Pfft… “Either they’re going down or we are…” Please, someone pay me to write contemporary country music inspired dialogue.

49. NCM - August 25, 2012

7. Sebastian S. – August 24, 2012

“I wonder why it didn’t seem to reproduce on Delta Vega”

Spock addressed the question. Recall that Scotty wore gloves, jacket, hat inside the outpost on Delta Vega b/c it was bloody cold, even indoors. Supposedly, cold temps prevent Tribble reproduction.

I’d planned to skip last two Ongoings, but caved, so not to miss possible movie plot hints–speculation’s half the fun. I enjoyed Mike’s Tribble tale, despite silly stuff, like 4 crew members approaching a bomb they just happen upon. I know it’s a comic, but would it be so challenging to raise the bar a bit?

I also wish Scotty would evolve, but Simon was pegged (:) for his comedic talent. I think he’ll remain the court jester.

Alice Eve’s character: I’ve said before; I think it’d be a fitting tribute to Rodenberry-Barrett to remake Chapel as she might have been in the first place, as a biologist, perhaps. We need more accomplished, relevant female personalities among the crew. They may want to keep Chapel out of comics so not to bring attention to her character, yet. I imagine the court wanting to debut any newly added crew.

Can’t wait for Mirror Universe revisited!

P.S. Never known Lostrod to be a whiner: but I agree with those, too, who find some posters’ venting to be excessive.

50. DirtMcGirt - August 25, 2012

Keep wondering why the Mirror Universe has not been used in a Trek feature. Seems to me would be fascinating way to explore the inherent dark side in humanity and the great Emperor Tiberius and Spock an archenemy of Kirk.

51. chris - August 25, 2012

The comics are great, can’t wait for the mirror universe. I like how the new timeline is different than the prime universe and fresh and anything can happen yet still familiar. Good job people.

52. Curious Cadet - August 25, 2012

@ 46 Bucky

You know you pose some interesting questions. I know many don’t care about canon, but I’ve read Orci does. So they consider everything that happened prior to Nero’s incursion canon.

Since we don’t know what “science” Orci is basing the Mirror Universe on (and it ain’t the same as got us to the Abrams-verse), then theoretically, the Mirror-verse could be identical to the TOS mirror-verse — one in which Nero never altered the course of events. That would make for some very interesting discoveries by Kirk and crew, or vice-versa, when the Mirror crew crosses over (about which very little was explored in the original TOS).

On the other hand, Enterprise showed us that the Mirror-verse got their hands on 100 years in advance technology when the Defiant crossed-over. In the Abrams-verse it would be technology from the Nero-altered universe, thus changing the Mirror-verse with similar but different “butterfy effects”. Now Orci’s science tells us time travel creates new universes, therefore, the Mirror Universe in Enterprise must necessarily be a new one split off from the Mirror universe we saw in TOS. It makes a certain amount of sense since they had substantial technology from the future, yet TOS Mirror-verse was no further advanced. This could well make the Abrams Mirror-verse equal with the Abrams-verse, explaining why it too is substantaially similar, or potentially more advanced, making for a more interesting quandary.

53. Pauln6 - August 26, 2012

@49 I’d love it if they turned Chapel into a ‘proper’ character instead of support for McCoy. They could have done so if she had been drafted in from life sciences to sick bay in the first movie following casualties among the regular staff but they’ve already name-checked her as a nurse. That doesn’t preclude them doing more with her character but with so many characters, any development is going to have to come in the cmoics and that will never happen if, like in TOS, they always use her as support for McCoy rather than the go-to gal for bio-research.

Similar silliness in the second issue – so Dehner isn’t on board; use her replacement (Helen Noel?). If a plot requires someone with particular skills, use an established character from TOS rather than deciding that Chekov is suddenly an expert at transporters, or that Spock is more knowledgable at exobiology than Ann Mulhall, or that Scotty should be doing Charlene Masterson’s job monitoring the phaser array etc. The writers can find a list of crew by looking at Memory Alpha in about 5 minutes.

If there aren’t established characters then introduce some new alien ones for re-use where appropriate. Let’s see some Andorian and Arcturian security guards, some Zaranite, Tellarite, and Saurian engineers, Rhaandarite scientists, and Caitian pilots. It might even be cool to introduce Ensign Willard Decker and Ensign Ilia both of whom were probably a couple of years older than TOS Chekov and therefore could just be starting out on their Starfleet careers around now.

54. Daniel Broadway - August 26, 2012

Unrelated….Kurtzman and Orci to write The Amazing Spider-Man 2.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/amazing-spider-man-2-sequel-star-trek-writers-315630

55. chrisfawkes.com - August 26, 2012

Please don’t turn Scotty into a buffoon.

That is just so disrespectful.

Being creative is one thing but to tell the vast majority of trekkies that you don’t give a f about their almost unanimous opinion on keeping Scotty in character is rude.

56. KHAN 2.0 - August 26, 2012

@12
The Kelvin was like the Kevin Bacon of starships

57. Red Dead Ryan - August 26, 2012

#54.

That was reported here a few months ago.

58. Daoud - August 26, 2012

@48 Anakin built C3P0? OMG!, you just ruined all of Star Wars for me! Oh, no, sorry, George beat you to it.
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Seriously though… Scott just spent a year in the icebox, he’s going to be suffering for some time overcoming it. His sense of humor, which we always knew he had (and saw when he had some alcohol in him all the more!) was what helped him survive. So, he’s a bit different here.
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And I’ll give Boborci props, for actually understanding MWI pretty well. A few shifts have their consequences. Perhaps the reason Montgomery Scott was experimenting with long-distance warp-based transport was to come up with an evacuation system when confronted by Narada-like superships. Makes sense to me.

@52 and other MU comments: Clearly the Mirror Universe is a fork from the earliest part of human history… some strangely quantum-entangled parallel where even due to great evil prevailing, the results are the same. Some sort of a effect-same cause-different variant, which doesn’t have a zero probability. Although infinitesimal, by MWI, such a variant exists.
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Likewise, a mostly-entangled fork could exist from the MU, a ‘nuMU’ if you will…. where good MU Romulan Nhiirrhau leads an altered Narada vessel filled with Romulan survivors that is caught in a wormhole in time and space that sends it back to 2233 of the Mirror Universe. At which time the Terran Imperium under Emperor Sato’s forces attack it. Commodore Maximilian Robau’s ISS Fahrenheit takes point, but during the confrontration is killed by his first officer Commander Georg Samarius Kirk who attempts to destroy the Narada by ramming it. His son James Tiberius Kirk is born prematurely as a result… etc. etc. The Klingon Conferederacy comes to the rescue of the Narada, etc. Ergo, a nuMU that remains entangled with the nuJJverse.

59. boborci - August 26, 2012

48. telemetry of Narada recorded by survivors in shuttles caused shift in tech. shift in tech caused shift in events. pretty straight forward.

60. Sebastian S. - August 26, 2012

# 49

NCM~

Thanks for that info. Makes sense now. ;-)

#48

750Mang~

The Narada’s appearance in ST09 (in 2233) was the first appearance of Romulans in the 23rd century (since “Balance of Terror” may or may not happen later) and the ship was so FAR in advance of Federation tech at that time that I think it would’ve definitely started a new Federation arms race akin to the Manhattan Project, which would inevitably lead to all kinds of theoretical R&D being rushed into production.
Seemed like ‘logical’ reaction to me…

# 59

bob orci~

What he said! ;-D

61. Guest - August 26, 2012

Why has nobody pointed out the resemblance between Benedict Cumberbatch and Crewman Green from The Man Trap?: http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/4950/crewmangreensaltvampire.png

62. RAO - August 26, 2012

59. and that explains Chekov how? I still think you guys should’ve held him off until the 2nd/3rd flick, but if you couldn’t get Yelchin unless he signed for the three movies it’s understandable.

63. Morz - August 26, 2012

Still think it’s evil Finnegan

64. Boborci - August 26, 2012

62. What about Chekov do you need explained?

65. Adolescent Nightmare - August 26, 2012

Hi boborci. I have no questions at this time. Just saying hi.

66. Diana - August 26, 2012

I love the new timeline, the comics are a great read and I can’t wait till the new movie!

67. Pauln6 - August 26, 2012

Having enjoyed the latest Batman trilogy, I would also have preferred it if Chekov had been held in reserve to give one of the earlier female characters a chance for some nu-glory but it’s easy to see why he was included.

In a nutshell, it isn’t the same guy, although it’s possible that in this universe Pavel Checkov has a younger brother who is, in fact, the Pavel Chekov from the TOS universe. It’s also possible that any of the other characters born after Nero’s intervention (Sulu, Uhura, Chapel, Decker, Ilia, Saavik etc) are genetically different people with the same names or genetically identical people with different names but it’s ultimately irrelevant since our genes only really influence 50% of how we behave, the rest coming from environmental factors and the environmental factors have been altered by the butterfly effect.

68. RAO - August 26, 2012

64. From an onscreen standpoint, the difference in age, placement on the Enterprise, and skill level. I’ve read fan explanations that it’s a different person entirely, which I found interesting as a concept.

From an offscreen standpoint, was there any thought of not introducing the character (played by Yelchin or someone else) in one of the sequels? I would’ve (and still would) love to see Gary Mitchell at tactical. But in many ways, Mitchell’s role was melded into McCoy (who was my favorite character in the new movie outside of Kirk).

A third question: have I maximized my allotment of parenthesis?

69. boborci - August 26, 2012

65adolescent n

hi! hows ur sunday goin?

70. boborci - August 26, 2012

68. we never considered postponing his intro, though it is an interesting idea. we felt we had to focus on the most well known list of characters, and we couldnt service them all.

71. boborci - August 26, 2012

56. hilarious;)

72. Pauln6 - August 26, 2012

@ 70 – Yes, it was an understandable decision to make; it’s just a shame that so many opportunities to utilise and update the female characters of the franchise were bumped in favour of the well-known men. It leads us to a modern interpretation of the franchise that is, when compared to the prevailing attitudes of the time, about 3 times more sexist than the original! All but one of the recurring women dropped, Number One didn’t even get an honourable death, and T’Pau, we can only hope, was lurking in the background with no mention and no lines.

73. boboci - August 26, 2012

72 other women were dropped to make room for and allow much more focus on uhura, too.

also, we dont need a doctor AND a nurse. hard enough justifying bones on the bridge half the time!

74. boborci - August 26, 2012

and dont forget we had to make room for two other women u didnt mention, kirk and spocks moms!

75. Pauln6 - August 26, 2012

@73 I agree completely. There is only so much time to give each character a little moment to shine. Chapel can only ever be a fully rounded character in her own right is she a) takes McCoy’s place as the medical cover on landing party duty or b) is allowed to be primarily a biologist to fill the scientific gap in the existing characters and the first is definitely undesirable in a 2 hour movie if you really want to focus more on McCoy.

I wrote a cheesy online comic and I found it was really easy to write for Chapel in the role of the more scientific doctor using research and exobiology as areas where she excels. It definitely ate into McCoy’s airtime though.

But being a Janice fan I would probably have had Spock beam Kirk to Delta Vega’s brig with Janice as a security escort. Have the mind meld in the brig and then Kirk and Spock Prime have to persuade Janice that letting Kirk go is the right thing to do. This has the quadruple whammy of cementing a relationship of trust between Kirk and his future yeoman, reducing the need to beam quite so far because Kirk doesn’t waste over a day in the snow, foreshadowing Janice’s role as transporter chief, and removing the need for an outrageous coincidence of running into Spock in a cave. The snow beast scene could be added in when they have to go outside to modify the base’s existing equipment. I do think more ways can be found to use the women that doesn’t involve them getting into their underwear ;P

76. Nony - August 26, 2012

74. (Hi, Bob. :D) Whatever happened to Kirk’s mom, anyway? Will we see/hear of her again, or is she dead-dead as implied in the comics? :(

It would be cool for Kirk to have a badass Starfleet mom, all I’m sayin’.

77. Pauln6 - August 26, 2012

@74 – Lol – that’s true but you didn’t treat them kindly…

78. Pauln6 - August 26, 2012

@76 I’m betting she married Kodos and set up home on Wrigley’s Pleasure Planet.

79. RAO - August 26, 2012

Bob, you still didn’t explain how Nero caused Chekov to be born years earlier. Yes, I’m holding your feet to the fire on that one. ;)

You couldn’t have Number Two because she’d take away from Spock (even more than the Uhura thing, but I respectfully digress) but what about the other members of Pike’s crew from The Cage? I thought it would’ve been a cool Easter egg, like “Dr. Boyce was on deck 6… He’s dead!” I’m just curious if the idea came up and if so why it was implemented.

I listened to the audiobook of the adaptation, I got an even better understanding of your vision. It’s something I’d recommend to the fans, and moreso the detractors. Next may can’t get here soon enough.

80. Nony - August 26, 2012

78. Ohhh, the multiple levels of Kirk angst that would cause. Hey, third movie storyline.

81. Diana - August 26, 2012

@79
Butterfly effect. A tiny change in the timeline can result in a significantly different outcome. Think it as the new universe (from the moment the diverge in the timeline happened) is a totally separate reality.

In the TNG episode Parallels Data says that for any event there is an infinity number of possible outcomes, our choices determines which outcome we’ll follow but according to quantum physics all the possibilities that can happen do happen in alternative quantum realities.

So in short in the new timeline Chekov’s parents may have met earlier or decide to have a child sooner or anything!

82. RAO - August 26, 2012

81. So you too subscribe to the “different guy altogether” theory as well? I’m not discounting it, just looking for clarification from the writer himself out of curiosity. IIRC, Mr. Orci has said their theory of alternate universes is different than that postulated by Data. Remember, string and M theory have evolved quite a bit in the 20+ years since Parralels.

83. boborci - August 26, 2012

79. how about this? chekovs parents always intended that if they had a girl she would be called one thing and if a boy, it would be pavel. so they coulda simply conceived at different times.

84. boborci - August 26, 2012

82. no. i am agnostic on it until we are somehow forced to answer it within canon.

85. Pauln6 - August 26, 2012

@82 nothing is impossible in alternate universes. This won’t be the only universe where a version of Nero travelled back but on balance of probabilities the odds of the same ovum being fertilised 4 years earlier are overwhelmingly against it being the same guy genetically. Unless he has a different mother though, he’s going to be genetically similar so it’s a fairly moot point. My issue with his inclusion is more that his presence meant that one of the women got bumped which exacerbated the pre-existing imbalance.

86. Bucky - August 26, 2012

I don’t quite get how Checkov being born earlier (for the sake of argument, let’s assume that Prime Checkov & JJ-verse Checkov has the same parents) really makes him a “different guy” from the Prime-verse. I mean, yeah, everyone in the alternate reality is a “different guy” but we’re supposed to assume that they all spawed from the same mating pairing. Just cuz Checkov’s parents decided to Get It ON! a tad earlier than in the prime timeline doesn’t make him that different.

Besides, I actually really dug the “kid genius” angle to him. I thought it was an interesting take. You’d assume that Prime-Checkov was always fairly smart and young for his station on the ship but this made it explicit. Also, Anton Yelchin is just a solid actor. Check out “Like Crazy” for one of his best performances. And it has Katinis Everdeen / Mystique in it! (They’re also together in The Beaver as well).

Sorry, got distracted. Yay, Checkov! Nuclear Wessel! Also, before the JJ-verse wraps up, sometime in some sort of medium Checkov has to say “Nuclear Wessel”.

87. Bucky - August 26, 2012

Actually, I really, really, really hope the first shot of the Star Trek sequel is just a closeup of Checkov saying “Nuclear Wessel” and then off into the movie proper.

88. NCM - August 26, 2012

@83: that explanation works best, perhaps, paired with the notion of the timeline trying to mystically repair itself, to some degree: though I’m not sure you guys have any interest in pursuing that notion.

89. RAO - August 26, 2012

Thank you Mr. Orci. It’s pretty awesome to be able to ask questions or even suggest ideas to one of the brains behind Trek. Certainly couldn’t do it 45 years ago with Roddenberry or even 30 years ago with Nick Meyer. I guess we could’ve with Berman and Braga, but why bother?

NuChekov doesn’t bug me at all, thanks in large part to Anton Yelchin being a great actor. He’s got a bit of Wesley Crusher to him, yes. But I still say teen Wesley soured everyone on young adult Wesley. Anyway, when I think of the bridge crew, I think Chekov at tactical (no matter who he really is).

To follow up on NCM’s comment about the universe healing itself, I found it a very interesting and integral part of the novelization. I can only assume it was dropped from the movie so as to not hamstring the sequels.

90. Bucky - August 26, 2012

@88 – there was a flat-out line in the script about Prime Spock saying that the timeline is trying to repair itself. It got cut. No foolin’.

91. jamesingeneva - August 26, 2012

I don’t think the person posting as Boborci is THE Bob Orci… just saying.

92. Diana - August 26, 2012

Mr. Orci, thank you for finding the time to answer our questions. It’s always nice to read comments by the creative minds of Star Trek.

@82

I don’t know if he’s technically (biologically) a different person or not. In this universe he was born earlier so he may be a different person or maybe being born by the same parents etc biologically he’s still the same, I don’t know.

Time travel or parallel realities have not been tested yet, they’re just theories and theories can evolve or change. I just love the episode Parallels and the new movie and it seems logical to me that they follow similar models. Of course maybe I’m wrong.

93. RAO - August 26, 2012

92. If your parents, in another reality, conceived a child who was born years before you were in this timeline, but named her Diana… It would not be you. If so, we’d all be identical twins of our siblings. It’s simply not possible for it to logically be Chekov. Of course, it’s a movie and largely irrelevant to the casual fanbase this and future films are trying to appeal to. Remember when Spock met NuKirk in the cave on Hoth and immediately recognized him? In-universe, the new actors look identical to those who portrayed them originally (for the most part… In the movie Spock doesn’t recognize NuScotty at first while the novelization has him hiding himself from Scotty before Kirk’s arrival). Lets pretend Spock met the new crew when they picked him and the Pinecone up en route back to earth (how did Spock and Keenser get back anyway if NuSpock was unaware of his presence until the hanger scene?) He would’ve instantly recognized McCoy and Sulu and even Uhura, although he’d probably be wondering why she hadn’t eaten in a month. When he met NuChekpv though, he’d have no clue who it was until told. It’d be, ahem, fascinating to hear Spock’s logical explanation for this ripple in the timeline.

In the end, it’s just fun stuff to think about and discuss with fellow Trekkies. As I said, it’s a movie. The people who actually get mad about minutiae like that but have no problem with a franchise predicated on questionable physics and where everyone happens to be humanoid and speak English are sad. Even if you hate NuTrek, bad Trek is better than no Trek at all. Okay, maybe not Voyager, but you get my point.

94. Adolescent Nightmare - August 26, 2012

69.

Excellent!

95. Diana - August 26, 2012

@93

I don’t disagree with you that the most logical is nu Chekov to be a different person (in real life I would say that he is and I agree with your example completely) however it’s a movie, it’s fiction and if something like this will be addressed in any of the following movies or comics (although I doubt it will be) the writers can go any way they like and they can find many in-universe explanations to support either way. For instance if they want to tell us that he’s the same Chekov they can use the theory of the self repaired universe (I’m not a biologist and sorry if I’m wrong but I believe the term “same” person or identical person in biology means that the same egg is fertilized by the same sperm in both realities. The writers can say that the universe has caused this to happen even if in the new reality it happened earlier. Or they can use any other technobabble). This is why I said that I don’t know in my previous comment, because I’m not in a position to answer with certainty. If you ask my personal opinion, I really don’t mind either way. I loved the movie and I love the series.

96. RAO - August 26, 2012

95. That’s an interesting thought, maybe for the comics because I don’t see them addressing it in the movies. That’s the beauty of canon; anything that hasn’t happened on screen is in play. Remember Day of the Dove? Maybe Chekov really DID have a brother named Piotr, except his parents named him Pavel after his uncle who died on the Kelvin. Hey, if Chekov dies in the next movie at the hands of the Klingons, we’ll both be right! :)

97. Boborci - August 26, 2012

93. Fun indeed!

98. Pauln6 - August 27, 2012

Lol – yes I had not discounted the possibility that if they decided to kill a character they might kill Chekov and later introduce his younger brother as a clever little nudge, nudge, wink wink to the fans. Apparently, they toyed with the idea of killing Chekov in TMP when his console blew up and nobody is completely safe in the new timeline…

99. KHAN 2.0 - August 27, 2012

@68/70

Chekov should’ve been introduced at the end outside Kirks ceremony – A Starfleet guy asks who he is and he responds ‘pavel’ then we see a shuttlecraft rising behind him *cue end credits/H Zimmer music*

100. Nony - August 27, 2012

So, say Chekov is really still the same Chekov – which one of them is straightening or curling their hair every morning??

101. Red Dead Ryan - August 27, 2012

#99.

Don’t you mean Michael Giacchino music?

102. NCM - August 27, 2012

90. Bucky – August 26, 2012

@88 – there was a flat-out line in the script about Prime Spock saying that the timeline is trying to repair itself. It got cut. No foolin’.

Interesting…

103. KHAN 2.0 - August 28, 2012

forget Chekov being born 4 years earlier – whats the explanation behind Kirks sparkling blue eyes?

how about this – one night when he wouldve been swatting up on Federation protocols etc he’s in an Iowa bar boozing away with a vengence and Butch Cassidy is playing on the holotv thingy and half wasted he decided to visited the all night cosmetic store and get a Paul Newman blue eye make over …like having a tatoo..

sounds good to me.

104. Pauln6 - August 28, 2012

Allergy to Retinox.

105. NoKhanPlease - August 28, 2012

83–I’m guessing that comment wasn’t too serious and just off the cuff. If it were, then this Chekov is simply a sibling of the prime Chekov, who will not exist in the post-Nero timeline. If that’s the case, then you did more than kill Chekov, you erased his existence.

I’m assuming that’s not the intent.

106. rose by any other name - August 28, 2012

You are all taking this too seriously. Don’t forget that Dr McCoy’s eyes are now brown in this alt. universe. They were blue in the prime universe.

All these variations come down to the genetics that they get from their parents which allows for the possibility of a child being born with either blue or brown eyes, fair or darker brown hair, hair being more wavy or being more straight. These things are pretty much external and fairly superficial, especially when it comes to more relevant matters like intellect, emotional makeup, personality etc and general health, eg being allergic to Retinox or a particular vaccine.

107. KHAN 2.0 - August 28, 2012

@106 – i guess McCoy mustve gotten sick of his blue eyes in the new TL and opted for a change – maybe the changes Nero brought about somehow caused Bones to become addicted to old reruns of ER and wanted to model himself on Clooney

108. RAO - August 28, 2012

It’s something they really should’ve done, giving the new actors colored contact lenses to correct the eye colors. But, in-universe, the new characters look the same as the actual Kirk, McCoy, ect that we remember. With the exception of Chekov for the reasons stated above. And perhaps Scotty’s receding hairline is the result of stress from being stuck on Hoth with Keenser. It’s about finding actors who can play the characters, not simply resemble the original actors. Sometimes, such as Quinto, the stars align and you get both. Other times, not so lucky. This is the first of what will most likely be many recastings of the crew in the years and decades to come. In 30 years, Jim Kirk may be viewed like James Bond. Sure, nobody played him as well as Connery. But the character remained faithful even if actors play it differently.

109. rose by any other name - August 28, 2012

There is nothing wrong with the eye colours. The new actors certainly did not need coloured contact lenses. Other people have put that idea forward and I find the notion rather disagreeable. As I stated above, there is no reason why this new universe McCoy could not have brown eyes and this Kirk not have blue eyes.

An interesting fact about the actor who plays Kirk – Chris Pine has blue eyes. His sister has brown eyes. They both have the same parents. Robert Pine has blue eyes, whilst his wife, Gwynne Gilford, Katie and Chris’s mother, has brown eyes.

I would also hope that this present nonsense with designer baby stuff will have become a thing of the past by the time we reach the Star Trek’s 23rd century. They will have the good sense to allow nature to take its course, because, generally speaking, the more you interfere, the more likely things can get screwed up.

110. RAO - August 28, 2012

109. Um, yeah there is. Even if you want to make the argument that Kirk’s eyes changed because he was born in space rather than Iowa, McCoy was born before Nero’s incursion. It’s been stated ad naseum by the writers and on screen that this universe is identical to the prime universe until Nero arrived. Thus, McCoy of TOS and McCoy of Trek ’09 are the same until Nero arrives. How did Nero destroying the Kelvin suddenly make McCoy’s eyes change colors? The only logical in-universe explanation is that the characters themselves look the same and it’s only the audience who sees the differences.

111. Red Dead Ryan - August 28, 2012

Chris Pine already doesn’t look like William Shatner. Giving Pine brown contact lenses won’t change anything, except for eye color. That’s it.

112. KyleH - August 28, 2012

@86, 87 Bucky, you made me laugh out loud. You write like a Millenial. I’m an Xer. I work mostly with Millenials, a couple of Xers and one Really Old Boomer. When I turn off my VHS tapes of syndicated TOS and move out of my parents’ basement and kiss a girl, I want her to be a Millenial.

113. Lee - August 28, 2012

Isn’t the more important thing that we try to explain away the age difference between Prime Pike and Neo Pike?

114. RAO - August 28, 2012

111. I disagree, I think Pine looks similar to a young (circa 1958-1962) Shatner. Not dead on like Quinto to Nimoy, but moreso Urban to De Kelley. Shatner’s likeness is notoriously unique, which is why illustrations and memorabilia barely resemble him. The final scene, with NuKirk finally in uniform and using more Shatnerian mannerisms, was as close as you can get without becoming parody. Just my 2 cents, of course.

115. RAO - August 28, 2012

113. Was there one? The Cage was circa 2253 (13 years before The Managerie) and ST09 was 2258. Pike in the pilot was what, 40? So let’s say he’s in his mid-late 40s in ST09. Perhaps I’m mistaken, but has Pike’s birthyear ever established on screen other than a throwaway line by Mendez? And if he and Kirk were “about the same age” Pike was about 20 years old in The Cage. And people bitch about NuKirk taking command too young!

116. Red Dead Ryan - August 28, 2012

#114.

The weird thing is, when Pine is in costume, and on the bridge of the Enterprise, he looks nothing like Shatner. But non-Trek photos, and appearances on “The Tonight Show With Jay Leno” have him looking slightly like Shatner. Like when he smiles or grins.

117. RAO - August 28, 2012

To each his own. Physical likeness was certainly a secondary concern to how the actor fit the character the way the staff wished to portray them. None of the secondary cast look anything like their original counterparts, even Cho. But the troika was close, at least as close as can be expected. It’s a unique situation. Has there been a total reboot of a franchise that spans decades, including an iconic TV series and multiple films? I compared it to Bond earlier but the character was recast every few years. They botched it the first time trying to replace Connery. Imagine if they did it 40 years later. I’m not familiar with Dr. Who, it may be similar. So given the unique situation the supreme court found themselves in, I give them more leeway as a fan than many.

118. NoKhanPlease - August 29, 2012

Like the Klingons before Ron Moore screwed everything up, sometimes you have to make concessions for the fact that this is just a work of fiction and that there are real world realities that change things.

The Klingons were always supposed to look like that, and changes in makeup budgets got them ridges in TMP. Yes, Ron Moore made a bad decision for a lame joke that screwed up continuity, but that was the original explanation.

Likewise, the original actors got older, and they recast. Eye color is not something that needs to be explained because we KNOW it’s a different actor in the same role.

But Chekov’s age is just a poor decision on the part of the writers, who simply would have been better off not including the character in a movie that takes place when he should have been about 11 years old.

In theory, now that the crew is together, we can ignore that in this movie as it will likely have little relevance.

119. KHAN 2.0 - August 29, 2012

@108 they did the contact lenses with Routh for Superman to match Reeve, and i think superman having been portrayed in comics over the years as having blue eyes so it was sort of integral to supermans look. its not so much a big deal with Kirk and Bones i guess. (although i think if Quinto had had blue eyes theyd have probably given him contacts)

anyway this kind of stuff wont matter in years to come when they make Star Trek XXV with CG 35 year old Shatner,Nimoy and Co

120. RAO - August 29, 2012

119. I have a similar vision for films of the future, but unfortunately the world around us is lurching backward, not forward. The way things are going with this move towards global socialism and austerity, I doubt any of us would have the money to go see it. But I’ll be attending the 2038 TrekCon, under the Brookyn bridge. We can have Batleth competitions over a can of pork and beans! :)

121. Curious Cadet - August 29, 2012

There is so much of interest to explore with the introduction of MWI, parallel universes and alternate realities, I can’t believe anybody, even the most die hard fan would get so bent out of shape over eye color.

As Khan 2.0 points out, Trek characters are not preexisting and iconic cartoon characters brought to film like Superman. Eye color is NOT integral to the character. Unless of course it was incorporated into the story, like Indiana Jone’s scar, which was actually originated with the actor. In which case all future actors playing at role, will need that scar. I do not believe this is the case with Star Trek.

There is some legitimate debate to be had over Chekov, and part of the fun of MWI. However, I think less so over Pike, who was barely defined in TOS. One throw-away line that Pike was about Kirk’s age in his only appearance in the series should not preclude anyone from making Pike better, which I think has been done. Pike is much more effective as an older father figure than a contemporary.

122. rose by any other name - August 29, 2012

The latter explanations from the writers muddy the waters. Most of these incongruities noticed re eye colour, age differences, Kelvin with different style technology would be more easily explained by saying that the red matter created inadvertently a Kerr’s type *black* hole through which the Narada and the Jellyfish were pulled into, emerging into a VERY similar, but not identical, alternate universe that already existed. Once the hole closed, there is no way of returning to the original, prime universe where Nero et al and Spock came from. Even if a way could be found to go to another universe, there would be absolutely no guarantee at all that it would be the same prime universe.

This is how I prefer to see this new Star Trek. It makes more sense. The writers got it wrong, eh, Bob…;)

123. Bobby - August 29, 2012

I had no idea what eye colors any of the characters had. My TV just isn’t that good.

Just wanted to say I really liked this last comic. The art’s terrific, they got mostly the right tone for the nu universe characters, they established that transwarp beaming won’t likely be used again, they got humor that worked and that sense of camaraderie, they brought back the damned dog and they quietly further developed that shadowy business with Srarfleet intelligence. Yay!!!

124. Bobby - August 29, 2012

110. Wow, luckily TOS had no nude scenes, or else we’d be breaking out rulers to see how these new guys measure up. Oh my!

125. Michael Hall - August 29, 2012

“The way things are going with this move towards global socialism and austerity. . .”

Wow. You speak as if one trend naturally tag-teams the other. In the real world I don’t see too many “socialists” bucking for austerity in spending (at least, outside of Greece). Is that really what you meant?

Pike’s apparent age in Trek 2009 was at least a decade older than his TOS counterpart. I was still happy with Greenwood in the role, though.

126. Curious Cadet - August 29, 2012

Hunter was about 39 in the Cage in 2254.
Greenwood was about 52 in the movie in 2255.
Pine was about 30, but playing 22 in 2255.
Therefore, if we assume a fudge factor of actors playing 8 years younger, then Greenwood was playing around 44.
Pike would have been approximately 40, based on Hunter’s age.
That’s only about 4 years difference in age.
I like to think that Pike looks older than he is due to the strain of command and the tumultuous year he had in 2254 having been abducted on Talos V.

127. RAO - August 29, 2012

125. European austerity is a direct result of unsustainable socialist programs and spending. It’s never worked in any major nation and never will. The reason is simple: socialism, at it’s core, is based on the theory that all men are equal. They are not. Some are more intelligent than others, some more athletic than others, some have better habits and work ethic, ect. Now don’t get me wrong. I’m far from a right winger, especially in the US where there’s no difference between the major parties in how they govern. One simply has to look at history. At best, it leads to economic failure. At worst, totalitarianism and/or genocide.

On Pike, it’s simply not true. Progress Pike’s age in the pilot by five years and it wouldn’t be far off. No birthyear nor age has been established for him, and he already had a touch of grey hair in the pilot.

128. Pauln6 - August 30, 2012

@127 Lol – but the global crisis was triggered by unrestricted capitalism – rich people getting richer by gradually pricing out those at the bottom over a period of time necessitating unsustainable levels of credit to keep up. In fact, if economies met in the middle, if top salaries were capped at a % of the lowest salaries in every business, studies have shown that societies would be subjectively much happier and inequality would fall naturally. No political models work perfectly in practice (and greed and corruption will always cause problems) but there are shocking levels of poverty in the USA considering that it is one of the richest nations in the world. Our problem is that we reward those at the top too much for their ingenuity and encourage them to pay as little as possible to the people that get them there.

I rather like Trek’s optimistic position on the future of mankind. I don’t think we should read anything into change of eye colour or character age (Uhura should be about 18). If you can’t suspend disbelief even that much you’ve got no place watching a ship travelling at warp speed. :P

129. RAO - August 30, 2012

128. I’m going to venture and guess you’re not a macroeconomist. Do you know what Keynesian economic policy is, and why it’s the equivalent of your family taking out a ballooning loan that you cannot mathematically repay? As far as the “everyone should make the same” argument it’s laughable. If everyone produced the same and pulled their own weight, sure it could work. But thats not reality. When you were in college, if you studied hard and got an A on a test, and the man next to you didn’t even open the book and flunked it, yet the professor decided to take both grades and average them out to a C-… Would you have been happy? Would you have studied as hard for the next exam? Of course not. The problem with government forced equality is that it never brings the lowest denomination up to the level of the achiever, it simply drags the achiever down to the level of the non-achiever. Again, that’s why it never works over an extended period and never will. Conservatives argue the reason for it’s historical failure is due to government’s inherent wasteful nature and corruption. While that’s part of the problem, the real reason in my opinion is the inherent inequality of man.

130. Pauln6 - August 30, 2012

I don’t think the sensible argument is that everybody should earn the same. The argument is that societies fare best when the people at the top do not earn massively more than the people at the bottom. Currently boardrooms pay top staff upwards of $half a million a year and people at the bottom $20,000. The argument is that the differential should be much smaller, say a multiple of 5. If you want to earn more you have to pay your staff more and everybody benefits from pay rises equally. Nobody is suggesting that lazy people should be rewarded, just that hard working low paid staff should not be penalised because somebody else decides how much you should earn.

131. RAO - August 30, 2012

130. There’s no such thing as forced employment. If a private business wants to pay it’s CEO 99% of the profit, they certainly should have the right to. That’s called, no pun intended, free enterprise. Of course, that’s a horrible business model. My belief, and I can cite a litany of examples to show why this is my view, is that payscales in a healthy business should reflect the skill, contribution, and market value for employee vs. position. Anyone can fill the role of secretary, ditch digger, truck driver, ect. Thus, the supply is high and demand low. A CFO, financial planner, doctor, lawyer, ect requires a high level of talent and years of schooling and training. Thus, supply is low and demand high. And what is the first governing principal of economics? Supply and demand. As far as investors, is it not logical to reward their great financial risk with an equal amount of financial reward?

As far as taxes go, I’m a big proponent of a flat consumption tax in lieu of a graduated income tax. The rich have the means and knowledge to get around income taxes (see Romney, Mitt) but even if they have a proxy purchase goods and services, that flat tax rate will still apply. Corporate and cap gain taxes don’t work, they simply lead to companies (and thus jobs) moving elsewhere where the tax rates are favorable. And since we’ve abandoned tariffs for the most part in order to advance globalism, a company can (and does) move production out of country then sells the product back to the primary market, exponentially increasing profits. Now, does the central government make it difficult for corporations such as Wal Mart to do this? No, they simply put the now unemployed consumer on welfare so they can afford to buy the lower quality trinkets that they once produced. It’s quite easy to blame the rich (and what’s wrong with being or striving to be wealthy?) but I lay a heavier amount of blame on the system which not only allowed but make it easy to gouge the consumers. In summary, socialism always fails because it tries to treat the disease with more of the cause. You don’t cure lung cancer by smoking an extra pack a day, and you don’t cure crushing debt and unemployment with more beurocracy.

132. rose by any other name - August 30, 2012

Socialism has never really been tried, however where it has been given a fair go, it does work reasonably well – see Scandinavian countries, NZ… These countries are smaller countries with smaller economies – perhaps that’s what helps.

People confuse equality with egalitarianism. In *socialist* countries, people do get paid according to skill, education etc. There are different pay levels, depending on the job being done. Nobody is equal – that’s a no-brainer. We can differ greatly in our intelligences, aptitudes, attitudes toward work and the like, energy, health. However, egalitarianism takes into account that as human beings we all share certain fundamentals in common – the NEED to eat, to sleep, for adequate shelter, clothing and security for ourselves and our families. Socialism, as I understand and experience it, seeks to provide these basics human needs for all members of a society, irrespective of their intelligence, aptitudes, health, energy, vitality and ability to pay at a particular time. That does not mean that everybody gets to live in the same state-of-the-art large comfortable house (something we tend to see in most American television and movies – EVERYBODY lives in a lovely big home), or that everybody gets the same income, however the aim is to ensure that nobody goes without the basics – education, medical care, housing, food, clothing… It’s not perfect – but, as far as I am concerned, it is the best damned system going right now. It tries to take into account the human equation which, as far as I can, other economic models don’t do so well.

I doubt that socialism, as practiced in the above countries mentioned, is the reason why places like much of Africa, India, South-East Asia and South America have such high poverty levels and seems to have had these levels for some time. Tribalism, and/or capitalism seem to thrive rather well in these places. Communism, as has been demonstrated rather well in what was once the Soviet Union and those countries in the Soviet bloc, North Korea, China etc, became, rather quickly, merely the flipside of capitalism.

133. Bobby - August 30, 2012

RAO – you’ve got no idea what you’re talking about, respectfully.. Democratic socialism has worked exceptionally well in a lot of places — for decades and decades. Yes, some countries have overspent.

Look at ‘socialized’ medicine. Canada’s system is excellent, Republican fear-mongering aside. Canada spends less on healthcare than the U.S. and it was barely affected by the recession, for a number of reasons (including strong banking regulations, mortgage regulations, stimulus programs and a lot of resources revenue)..

Heck, the bloody New Deal was, technically, socialism.

And, no, it doesn’t assume that all people are equal — but it does assume that all people are entitled to basic services.

We’re not talking about Soviet totalitarianism here. Or restriction of indivifual rights and more control over individuals lives (which is a very Conservative idea). We’re talking about infrastructure, education and social programs.

And without those stimulus packages, the US would be in a far worse boat right now. They weren’t even enough.

Do some reading, somewhere that isn’t a rightwing blog or connected to Fox news. All that nonsense — Obama is a socialist, the media is left wing — ot’s all myth.

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