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Patrick Stewart to Guest Voice on Futurama Tonight + LeVar Burton Supports Seth MacFarlane to Bring Back Trek to TV August 29, 2012

by Kayla Iacovino , Filed under: Celebrity,Rumor,Trek Franchise,Trek on TV , trackback

In two pieces of animated news, Patrick Stewart will lend his voice to the hit animated series Futurama in an hour long midseason finale episode set to air tonight (Aug 29). Plus, LeVar Burton replies to rumors about Seth MacFarlane bringing Trek back to TV saying at Fan Expo that he would support MacFarlane to do the job right.


Patrick Stewart’s character the Huntsman in tonight’s Futurama

Not Stewart’s First Time Being Animated
In tonight’s episode, titled “31st Century Fox”, Stewart plays the role of the Huntmaster who leads a group of fox hunting enthusiasts, including Bender, on a fox chase. Patrick Stewart is no stranger to guest voicing for popular animated comedy series’ having played characters on both Family Guy and American Dad! And, Futurama isn’t averse to playing on Star Trek references, either.

LeVar Burton Says Seth MacFarlane Could Bring Back Trek to TV
At Fan Expo yesterday, LeVar Burton took the stage and answered questions about Trek and his career. One audience member asked, given Burton’s connection with Family Guy (he’s voiced in two episodes) and having worked with the show’s creator Seth MacFarlane (an admitted Star Trek fan), how would Burton respond to rumors that MacFarlane wants to bring Trek back to TV. He replied with great support for the idea, saying “I can’t think of anyone on the planet better suited”, and finished with his Reading Rainbow catchphrase, “but you don’t have to take my word for it!”

Seth MacFarlane is no stranger to the world of Star Trek and has said clearly before that he wants to reboot trek for the small screen. Check out an interview with MacFarlane below.



1. Tomi_SI - August 29, 2012

Im all for trek back on TV but i doubt whit Seth Mcfarlen. First?

2. Picard's Fish - August 29, 2012

MacFarlane and “drama” dont go hand-in-hand..

3. Lt. Dakin - August 29, 2012

Bryan Singer anyone? Or Manny Coto?

4. matt - August 29, 2012

Bryan Fuller.

5. thebiggfrogg - August 29, 2012

McFarlane and “comedy” don’t go hand in hand, either. ; )

6. ados - August 29, 2012

no to Trek cartoons

7. nocadlee - August 29, 2012

“[LeVar Burton] he would support MacFarlane”

That’s nice, but I don’t think that LB’s opinion matters at all to the decision makers at CBS/Paramount.

8. SoonerDave - August 29, 2012

Sorry, but I just can’t get into animated Trek. Didn’t like the original animated Trek, don’t like notions of reincarnating the concept under JJTrek. Nothing against animation per se, but its just not for me. Think we just need to focus on whatever movies Abrams will make (he is, in fact, making one, isn’t he? (sarcasm)).

9. rm10019 - August 29, 2012

I say yes to an animated series in a big way.

10. subatoi - August 29, 2012

Those who want to see Stewart shooting his new movie Hunting Elephants in Israel can see some BTS pics here:

The full Press Conference held on his arrival to Israel can be found here:

11. NoKhanPlease - August 29, 2012

Put a comedian in charge of a sci-fi franchise and you get Land of the Lost.

It would be terrible.

An animated series should be done seriously, with sci-fi writers and Orci as a consultant to make sure they don’t do things that the movies want to do.

12. The ste - August 29, 2012

I wouldn’t dismiss him right off the bat…how about actually, y’know, actually listening to what he would like to do first before telling him to go away

13. BulletInTheFace - August 29, 2012

MacFarlane? NOOOOOOO.

14. Steve Johnson - August 29, 2012

It cracks me up when people say people in the comedy business shouldn’t try to do serious drama.

Comedy is technically the hardest one to master. It is the most subjective when it comes to your audience reaction. It’s the hardest to get right.

Plus, Seth has demonstrated he’s a BIG Trek fan many many times. I say let him give it a shot. Have some of Trek’s former talent come in and work on it as voice and creative talent.

15. Thorny - August 29, 2012

I’m not sure I’ve ever heard a worse idea than Seth MacFarland being responsible for a new Star Trek series.

Okay, maybe “New Coke” was worse. Maybe.

16. tdrake1701 - August 29, 2012

@#3 – Manny!

17. Enterprisingguy - August 29, 2012

The article doesn’t make mention of him making an animated Star Trek. He may in fact want to make a live action show. Since he is a big Trek fan he could do a good job if he brings in the right talent.

I do like his Star Wars parodies. I wish Paramount would let him do a Star Trek one. But I have no wish to see another animated series.

18. Thomas Jensen - August 29, 2012

MacFarland? A new Roddenberry figure, putting it all together? No, certainly not him.

19. Admiral Kent - August 29, 2012

I would really like to see The Next Next Generation…Send it into the future with crazy tech never before seen on Trek…make the captain Troi’s and Riker’s great grandson, or something.

20. Saiyan - August 29, 2012

@16 seconded

21. They call me Stasiu - August 29, 2012

Doing a comedic series now doesn’t have to preclude anyone from creating good dramatic shows, does it? Whe the content is different, at the very least MacFarlane would have a good understanding of what it takes to develop and write for an animated show.

22. Chain of Command - August 29, 2012

Meh…. Stick to movies for at least another 5 years. Make Star Trek something to be anticipated like it was in the early 80’s when the TOS films were in their prime or even the early 90’s when TNG was the only Trek on TV.

23. cw - August 29, 2012

#11 I don’t know where you’re coming from on that: Land of the Lost was totally hilarious, by far my favorite Will Farrell movie. Doing a serious take on that concept would just have been dumb.

24. Orb of the Emissary - August 29, 2012

Bryan Singer/Manny Coto would be a powerful duo to bring back Trek to TV IMO :-)

25. rm10019 - August 29, 2012

Ron Moore!

26. Gary S. - August 29, 2012

I am willing to listen to any proposal, including Mcfarlanes .
You never know, he might have some good ideas .

27. Red Dead Ryan - August 29, 2012

I’m not really excited for a new Trek series right now. I say we should wait for the sequel to come out and judge that movie before we start clamoring for a new series. If the movie is great, more people will be interested in a new series. If the movie sucks, that will be it for Trek for awhile, I’m afraid.

Fall 2015 will be the earliest for any new Trek series. But I figure it will be closer to 2020 before Trek returns to television.

28. JamfoFL - August 29, 2012

Before dismissing MacFarlane’s ability to take things seriously, and his willingness to bring quality people to a project, you should note that he is currently at work rebooting Carl Sagan’s classic television program “Cosmos.”

He’s working with people such as Neil deGrasse Tyson and Ann Druyan to recapture the spirit of that program and to try and rejuvinate the American love of science and technology. And he’s doing so by investing a tidy sum of his own money into the project.

In MacFarlane you have a person with the influence, the clout and the desire to really rejuvinate the Star Trek franchise. He knows how to put the right people in the right places, and I’m sure he would use his influence to get the best writers, directors and artists for a new Trek show.

Given his record for success, and the true love he shows for the program, why NOT give him a try?

29. sean - August 29, 2012

MacFarlane is a smart guy, despite his terrible comedic instincts. He’s also condescending and smarmy, and I don’t think he would be a great fit for Trek. Besides, this is all rather moot as he would never be involved so long as the Abrams crew is in charge.

30. sean - August 29, 2012

Personally, I’d rather see someone like J. Michael Straczynski take on a Trek TV show. Not only is he a fan, he’s a tremendous writer.

31. Cygnus-X1 - August 29, 2012

Let’s not for get MacFarlane’s cameo appearances in engineering on ST:E.

32. Kirk, James T. - August 29, 2012

People who should bring Star Trek back to TV:

Roberto Orci
Alex Kurtzman
Ron Moore
Bryan Fuller
and JJ Abrams as an Executive Producer but possibly involved in the pilot (like LOST)

33. Basement Blogger - August 29, 2012


Futurama has done more than having fun with doors in regards to Star Trek. The fourth season featured the entire living cast of TOS except for James Doohan. The show was called “Where No Fan Has Gone Before.” Link.

Futurama was cancelled. Then came back. Can’t CBS do the same thing? Put the show on SyFy, AMC, or TNT?


34. NoKhanPlease - August 29, 2012

Ron Moore has never had an original idea in his life. His whole career is taking other people’s ideas and redoing them. It was his idea to kill Kirk. Ultimately, he worked in Trek when it hit a massive decline, much of it his doing. No thanks. No one in the Berman era that made their mark on the world due to Berman should ever be allowed to WATCH Trek, let alone work on it.

The Abrams team would be good as consultants. But for this, they need sci-fi writers, not people who make cartoons with fart jokes. Not that fart jokes aren’t awesome, but they don’t belong in Star Trek.

35. Basement Blogger - August 29, 2012

And speaking of Seth MacFarlane who’s such a big fan of Star Trek, he had a walk on part in Enterprise, everyone should check out Ted when it comes out on Blu-Ray. Subversive. Hilarious. Plus there’s a riotous narration by Patrick Stewart.

36. Robman007 - August 29, 2012

“Ultimately, he worked in Trek when it hit a massive decline, much of it his doing.”

Seriously? Some of the best Trek (DS9, a large portion of TNG), were when he was on the writing staff. Sure he killed Kirk, and that stunk, but the idea to kill Kirk came from the top, and Shatner let them by taking a pay check.

I do agree, Berman should stay far, far away from Trek, but Moore? That’s going a tad bit too far. Before Moore, TNG went aimlessly about, utilizing and copying old TOS scripts and ideas and wanted nothing more then for TOS to never exist (wonder who’s idea that was, being that he was kicked outta having anything to do with the films)….

37. Red Dead Ryan - August 29, 2012


Kirk’s death aside (and it wasn’t his choice; it was the studio’s decision), Ron Moore wrote some of the most compelling Trek stories during the Berman era. “Deep Space Nine” is my favorite Trek series, due in part to Ron Moore being allowed to add some conflict between the characters which he wasn’t allowed to do on “The Next Generation”.

Plus, his “Battlestar Galactica” rocked.

38. K-7 - August 29, 2012

Kayla, you are single-handily saving I would hope that since Anthony is no longer to maintain consistent news on this site, that he might consider turning the site over to you and others on the staff.

Well done!

39. Legate Damar - August 29, 2012

Well, I’m a fan of Family Guy, The Cleveland Show, and American Dad, so I’m willing to give Seth Macfarlane the benefit of the doubt. After all, he has been in a couple of episodes of Trek. Still, I don’t think Trek would work as a cartoon, and a live action drama isn’t exactly Seth Macfarlane’s style. His Flintstones next year should be good though, and I look forward to seeing Patrick Stewart on Futurama tonight.

40. rm10019 - August 29, 2012

37 – I totally agree, glad to know we share for the nuBSG and Ron Moore’s work!

41. rm10019 - August 29, 2012

sorry – ‘share an appreciation for’ nuBSG. Great show.

42. mike - August 29, 2012

how about rick berman, not

43. Basement Blogger - August 29, 2012

I agree with RDR. (@ 37) Ron Moore did not lead to the demise of Star Trek. He wrote some excellent episodes. One of my favorites was the very Roddenberryesque “The Chase.” Which by the way he should sue the guys that made “Prometheus” since it had the same plot line of alien seeders. :-)

And could we leave Rick Berman out of this discussion? He’s not in the picture. There’s always some angry Trekkers who want to blame the man for everything. Personally killed Kirk. Berman’s fault. Bad box office for Nemesis. Berman’s fault. Hurricane Issac. Berman’s fault. Enterprise suffered because it was on UPN. Here in Cincinnati, it was difficult to get it since it was on a low powered TV station.

Rick Berman was not perfect. But he did shepherd Star Trek starting in season three of TNG. From there he helped to create two more successful Star Trek TV shows, Voyager and Deep Space Nine. Under his watch, great episodes were made. “The Best of Both Worlds”, “The Nth Degree”, “The Inner Light”, “Tapestry”, “The Chase”, “Parallels, etc.

I’ll let Brent Spiner, comment on Rick Berman.

“Rick more than anybody else protected Gene Roddenberry’s vision. There were times we wanted to do things in an episode, and Rick would be, ‘No, no, no. Gene wouldn’t want that and that’s not what Star Trek is about.”

Here’s an excellent article defending Rick Berman.

44. Seatbelt Blue - August 29, 2012

On the subject of Trek humor, I thought you guys might did It’s Things Martok Would Never Say.

45. Ana - August 29, 2012

For those of you who don’t watch Futurama does some big Trek homages. All of the ship’s noises are from TOS. Plenty of TOS and TNG stars have appeared as ‘heads in a jar’. The “Where no fan has gone before” episode has already been mentioned and there’s the character of Zapp Branigan who shares a few traits with a certain captain.

It’s a hilarious show.

46. David S - August 29, 2012

I dunno about McFarlane. Manny Coto and Eric Kripke could do a bangup job of it.

47. BuzzCagney - August 29, 2012

Patrick features tonight on BBC TV in Who Do You Think You Are and i hear its quite emotional. I’m looking forward to seeing it. I hope you Patrick fans outside the UK can see it at some point.

48. jamesingeneva - August 29, 2012

Gotta agree, no on Berman.

Disagree with the Ron Moore bashers. He was part of a lot of great ST television. His work with Battle Star Gallatica was fantastic. That said, I think it’s good to bring in someone new who has stamina for 7 years of television. He might be good to get things going but probably wouldn’t work for the long haul.

McFarlane would probably be good for trying to present a conventional approach to ST. I don’t know if he’s get more than a few years out of it though and would probably piss off the ST Elitists that love to flame in here about Prime this or that blablabla.

I think anything done with the Bad Robot team would start off good. It also gives it leverage to get on a big network with realistic advertising base so it can survive.

Stay far far far away from the Syfy network. I despise it. All they do is paranormal and poor fakes of major motion pictures. Loved the network growing up, hate it now.

Whatever the story is, it’s gotta be modern but fresh. I think they should wait until the next two movies are done and then continue in the new universe. If they did it smart, they could re-use film sets to keep start-up costs down, redress the ship as a different name and tell entirely new stories that we can relate to. The non-traditional fan base would probably watch because they related to the new movies and all us diehards would have something new to watch and read about.

49. Marcelo Teson - August 29, 2012

I think MacFarlane would be great. And the reason I think that is due to his speech honoring Roddenberry’s induction to the TV Hall of Fame:

He GETS IT. He really gets what make Star Trek awesome. And I think he’s smart enough to put the show there.

50. cmdr diaz - August 29, 2012

where can i watch this show?

51. Marcelo Teson - August 29, 2012

And one more thing to add – I think you really want an out-of-the-box voice on Star Trek. You don’t want someone who’s been on Trek before (like Fuller or Moore) and you don’t want someone who’s going to spend all their time running another franchise or doing a million deals like Abrams and Orci and Kurtzman. In that sense Macfarlane might not be the best choice because he’s got like twenty other projects going on. But at the very least he’s a game changing voice. It wouldn’t be a cartoon, it wouldn’t be comedy. It would be thoughtful, science-positive, idea-of-the-week television that would be respectful to the continuity of the show (which MacFarlane knows).

52. rm10019 - August 29, 2012

I have to disagree, working on Trek before shouldn’t exclude Moore. As long as the right questions are asked in the writer’s room, like ‘how does this affect our characters, what does it say about them’ etc., like Moore did every week on BSG, Trek would be in great hands.

They all know that the old way of running Trek is done, and for that matter, the old way of making TV shows is done and has evolved stylistically and thematically.

53. Ross - August 29, 2012

Patrick Stewart is currently on BBC right now on Who Do You Think You Are looking at his fathers war career pretty good stuff should be up on BBC iPlayer to watch shortly.

54. Vultan - August 29, 2012

I don’t see anything game-changing about MacFarlane. While some of his material is funny, he’s essentially doing what every other producer is currently doing: heavy-handedly strip mining the past for nostalgia’s sake and making a smug joke about it—and most importantly, getting rich from it.

Can’t really see his version of Trek being much different.

55. Bob Tompkins - August 29, 2012

You all underestimate Seth MacFarlane. The man is a genius.
Star Trek works best when there is an element of humor present and there is no one better at that.
Look for sharp, witty and dramatic turns if he ever gets hands on the TV franchise. Most of all, he’ll find new ways of telling stories while still adhering to canon- it’ll just depend upon whose canon Paramount/CBS decides to go with, Roddenberry/Berman’s or Abrams’. I’d hope the former, leaving Abrams to his ‘I’ll do a Trek every 4 or 5 years when I have the spare time’ universe.
It’ll be controversial for perhaps 2 or 3 episodes and then you’ll all forget about the questions you had and wonder why you were ever worried.

56. Dan - August 29, 2012

MacFarlane is awesome and would be perfect for Star Trek in any form.

He, and his team know EXACTLY what I want to see in Trek. Just research their interviews and thoughts on this and you will be convinced too.

He believes in the material and has the abilities to get it done.

Go Seth!

57. spooky - August 29, 2012

Seth Macfarlane and Trek sounds like a bad mix since he has yet to produce anything with a seriousn tone or with critical elements of drama in it. His schtick is comedy and being shocking within a PG-13 staple. Although it must be said, most comedic actors tend to be good, amazing and are often able to connect with film going audiences in dramatic or serious films. Robin Williams and Whoopi Goldberg for instance.

As for Abrahms and crew, am I the only who is sick on them? Seriously, find someone else with a new perspective or bring back the guys who did TNG, DS9. The time away will likely have given them time to come up with new ideas. Give them a clean slate to play with.

!!!Keep Damon Lindelof away from Trek TV.!!!

Do you want unfinished stories and open ended or vague characterizations? Is that what you REALLY WANT!!!

58. DonDonP1 - August 29, 2012

I cannot wait for a new “Star Trek” television series, whether set in a post-Nemesis prime relaity or the alternate reality (Abrams-verse), whether an hour long, adult-oriented live-action series that would air in the United States on either CBS or the CW or a half-hour, family-friendly animated series that would air on Nickelodeon. Come on CBS, please, make it so!

59. Sebastian S. - August 29, 2012

I was far more interested to hear about Seth McFarlane’s next big project for the Fox network; he and Carl Sagan’s widow (and collaborator) Ann Druyan are bringing a new version of COSMOS (the 1980 PBS series/book) back to TV (sometime in 2014).

I heard this news from Druyan and McFarlane when I attended the 2012 Planetfest in Pasadena on Aug. 5th. They also said that the new updated version will star current popular science communicator/TV personality (and former Carl Sagan protege) Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson, who is also director of the Hayden Planetarium in NYC.

This news drew a lot of enthusiasm from the crowd in the auditorium. Personally, I think it’s a wonderful idea; as much as I loved the original book (and show), the space ‘landscape’ has evolved a lot in the last 32 years. I mark this under ‘really GOOD idea.’ ;-)

I’d rather see a redo of COSMOS than a new ST series at this point; let the movies finish their cycle and then see what happens.

60. Commodore Adams - August 29, 2012

Hey Bob….Star Trek 2013 teaser trailer? Hmm? Hmmmmm?

61. Captain Karl - August 29, 2012

The name Seth Macfarlane always makes my skin crawl.

62. CmdrR - August 29, 2012

MacFarlane could probably get it started, but he’s so damned lazy after he begins something. He always goes for the brain-free material.

Sorry, I hope not.

63. Al - August 29, 2012

If you are in the UK watch Patrick Stewart’s episode of Who Do you Think You Are? – fascinating.

64. boborci - August 29, 2012

i dont think the article implies animated, does it?

65. ME!! - August 29, 2012

YES to new Trek on tv, NO to Seth MacFarlane’s involvement!!

66. Red Dead Ryan - August 29, 2012


It’s clear that some on this thread became “animated” with dread after wrongly assuming MacFarlane’s Trek series idea would be animated!

67. jamesingeneva - August 29, 2012

lol my earlier post got whacked that’s too funny. Hello boborci good to see you’re still hanging with us!

68. Captain Otter - August 29, 2012

Wheadon or GTFO

69. kmart - August 29, 2012

I can’t see how McFarland could do any worse than the idiots they’ve given the thing over to now.

In fact, just by virtue of his heart being in the right place (and knowing in his bones what is Trek and what is Wars and not doing some foul telepod accident between the two, which is what TheAbramsThing plays like — Call it THE WORST OF BOTH WORLDS), I imagine he’d get some very good help and deliver something really sharp. Especially if it was just after the movie era at the turn of the 23rd/24th century, before the magic box technology seems to have done its best to ruin drama (excepting DS9.)

70. Prophet Ascendant - August 29, 2012

im sorry but if Trek is rebooted to the small screen, then MacFarlane is a NO as the headmaster. Steven Moffat, or Joss Whedon and/or a mixed bunch of past and present Doctor Who and Whedonverse writers/producers perhaps. Maybe even the people behind NCIS. But NOT MacFarlane.

71. boborci - August 29, 2012

69 an apology from the idiots who did the last Star Trek. Dont know what we were thinking.

72. StunKill - August 29, 2012

I love what you very smart and talented guys did with star trek Bob, please, please, please keep it coming. Cant make everone happy all the time, but you guys did make the majority and many newbies to the franchise happy.

73. StunKill - August 29, 2012

69- Shame on you!!

74. Basement Blogger - August 29, 2012

@ 71

That’s funny Bob. Look, you can’t please everybody. I liked Star Trek 2009 but have criticized it. Yet, I bought the DVD. Critics loved the Coen Brothers’ True Grit. I say, “Meh”. I loved John Wayne’s version. Fans of Avatar fought with fans of The Hurt Locker over who should have won the Academy Award.

We should move to you next journey to the final frontier. Hey how about releasing a publicity photo? I’ll take your crumbs. What about getting J.J. Abrams to do a guest post on this website. Get him to write about a Trek TV episode. For example, he could write about “A Taste of Armageddon” and its meaning to our world today. That would be fascinating.

75. Bob - August 29, 2012

74. Appreciate your suggestions

76. Buzz Cagney - August 29, 2012

Patrick’s ‘Who Do You Think You Are’ was quite interesting. It primarily covered his fathers Military service in WWII and the subsequent difficulties he was left with. It seems he suffered from shell shock. It certainly seemed to help Sir Patrick come to terms with his fathers behaviour and his memories of him.
Patrick is such a nice guy. It was both a pleasure and a privilege to watch him learning about, and sharing, his families history.
If you get the chance to see it I can recommend it.

#74 I’m with you. Trek ’09 wasn’t perfect, by any means, but it had a big heart and, at times, achieved near greatness (the opening scenes being as moving and emotional as you could possibly hope for). The groundwork for a really strong Trek2 couldn’t have been much better.

77. Daniel Craig Is my Wookie Bitch - August 30, 2012

Personally I will be very happy when Abrams and Co are no longer holding the reigns of The Trek Universe.
There are other creative talents out there that the Trek Universe is a much better fit with.

JJ wants Trek to be like Star Wars, so much that perhaps he should try and talk George into letting him work on GL’s Vaporware Star Wars live action T.V. Series that will never see the light of day and is most likely just a smokescreen for Episode VII quietly being prepped.

78. Jim Nightshade - August 30, 2012

i like seth a lot..very creative and knows how to draw good talent he does love and understand trek…he wouldnt lessen it by making it a comedy….
bob orci few trek fans feel the way kmart does…we are thankful you guys came around and made our franchise popular again…hell u guys did more than that u brought trek back to life and made it popular…so thanks to you guys bob orci….we appreciate you guys…..

79. Daniel Craig Is My Wookie Bitch - August 30, 2012

Darn it I hit post before I was able to write that i was not being serious with my post 77.

Edit button someday please.

In anycase my post 77 was not meant to be serious

80. The Last Vulcan - August 30, 2012

@71: Yeah, you guys not knowing what you’re doing is a bit like Michelangelo saying that he doesn’t know how to sculpt. I too have criticized aspects of the 2009 film but that doesn’t mean that it was in any way incompetent. Some of the choices you guys made were not the choices I would have made but you’re sitting in your A-list position of power and fame and I’m a schmuck working hard to barely pay my rent. So guess who’s right? You can’t argue with a movie that pulls in $400 mil +++ so boborci I can do nothing other than offer my humble apologies for any offensive comments towards you on this board from the rude junior sized ankle biters. In the famous words of you know who:

“I should say the JJ Crew are as far above us on the evolutionary scale as we are above the amoeba.”

We are not worthy… we are not worthy… we are not worthy…


81. Jamesir Bensonmum - August 30, 2012

I think MacFarlane could use his position in “show biz” to bring Trek back, but I don’t think he should be connected with it in an artistic sense — at least not in a day-to-day show-runner sense.

I could see him adding some general artistic direction to the project (after all, he is a big fan, and he presumably knows something about both Star Trek AND television productions), but I think he would probably be better off as a mostly “silent” partner in a possible future trek TV venture.

82. kmart - August 30, 2012

By maintaining that ‘we are not worthy’ attitude, you will continue to get the level of ‘entertainment’ that lowly state deserves.

Why should creatives go an extra mile (sorry, kilometer) if you are willing to buy off on anything they slap the brand on, regardless of how it tastes?

I’m not singling out TREK – I was massively offended by how moronically plotted the ‘serious’ CASINO ROYALE was as well — I’m sure all espionage professionals keep every secret plan name and phone number in their phones rather than relying on their memory, that way some ugly blonde thug with a 00 license can save the day by killing them for their cellphone info, uh-HUH, this is the SERIOUS Bond movie? — but was utterly amazed at how well Nolan managed BATMAN BEGINS, and how he upped his game by paying off the only questionable aspect of BB — whether Gothamites deserved to be saved — by the conclusion of TDK.

83. Red Dead Ryan - August 30, 2012


Dude, don’t be a jackass. “Casino Royale” is considered one of the best all-time Bond flicks. “Star Trek” was a great reboot as well. Right up there with “Batman Begins”.

And oh yeah, I understand that you’re angry and bitter over the fact you’re losing your market share of customers to rivals Wal-Mart and Target, but its no excuse for insulting the writers.

You owe Bob a heartfelt, written apology,

84. sean - August 30, 2012


He’s had a bad attitude ever since that merger with Sears.

85. Red Dead Ryan - August 30, 2012


And to make matters worse, Sears no longer has the naming rights to one of the tallest buildings in the world. They lost it to Bruce Willis. :-)

86. kmart - August 30, 2012

‘considered’… again, you’re leveraging popular opinion, which also makes MOONRAKER out to be some kind of fabulous 007 adventure, instead of 2hrs of product placement backed by a good score and wonderful art direction. As for the reviewers singing CR’s praises, god only knows. When I finally rented the thing, having absolutely zero expectations given the casting and other goofs, I was still amazed to find it a failure on so many dramatic and story levels.

Make your own decisions about a piece of entertainment, don’t make it about going with the masses (who seem more influenced by saturation marketing than quality or actual entertainment value, something that has been in serious evidence from the majority of — though not all — blockbusters with absurd opening weekends in the last 25-30 years.)

If you really think that Star Trek is about what was up onscreen in the Abrams, that’s fine for you. But don’t begin to tell me it has anything to do with the Star Trek I enjoyed from 66-69, in some of the features, and in most of DS9. Calling it a pastiche would be way too generous, because they don’t even get a lot of the givens right (origin nickname of Bones, etc. ad NAUSEAM.)

The huge difference between watching a movie open-mouthed with wonder, thinking ‘that was so expertly plotted, I am in AWE of the thought that went into this’ and suffering through what can generally be described as arbitrary/idiot plotting in most big films still numbs me. But I’m happy there are still cases of the former.

87. Daoud - August 30, 2012

Difference. BOND is fantasy. Who expects scientific, sleuthic, or spy-ic accuracy in its presentation? It operates on suspension of disbelief.

88. Daoud - August 30, 2012

@86 “Bones” was never explained in TOS or later on screen. So what are you talking about? The first “background” was Trek 2009. Anything else is assumption.

“All I got left is my bones” — McCoy, Trek 2009.

One can imagine any conversation following up on that:
“You only have your bones left, eh?” — Kirk
“Yeah.” — McCoy
“That’s kind of ironic, isn’t it?” — Kirk
“Damn. ( a beat ) Yeah, she couldn’t take my M.D.
If she’d had a way, she would’ve.
But she’s a shrink and had one already.” — McCoy
“Yeah?” — Kirk
“Starfleet too. Went off to the Aldebaran colony a year ago.” — McCoy
“Can’t say I’ve been there. Tarsus, yes. Aldebaran, no.” — Kirk
“Well, hope you never bump into that walking freezer unit.” — McCoy

89. The Last Vulcan - August 30, 2012

kmart, I repeat: rude junior sized ankle biter. Courtesy and respect is dead in this decade and that’s a real shame.

90. bytesaber - August 30, 2012

If they bring Trek back to TV, I want “real” star trek universe / cannon. Not Reboot Trek.

91. Jamesspock1 - August 30, 2012

Preferably in the classic universe, but as long as its not in JJ Abrams universe, he doesn’t have an incling of what Trek is.

92. Vultan - August 30, 2012

Yeah, no doubt the new Bond has a harder, more serious edge, but you pretty much have to take a good portion of logic and throw it out the window with Auric Goldfinger when you’re watching any of those flicks (in order to enjoy them).

They’re not meant to be The Ipcress File or Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy.

93. The Last Vulcan - August 30, 2012

@83 +1 on the apology.

Hey, it wasn’t 10 minutes into the “new timeline” when I was already wishing that the whole movie would have stayed in the Kelvin timeline, but that’s not the way it played out. There’s close to a billion dollars in tickets and DVD sales that say that the movie appealed big time to millions of people and that’s how show biz goes. So I’m no more going to go onto a forum where Celine Dion hangs out and tell her that she should drop the ballads and since she’s a Canuck she should start Inuit Throat Singing than I will to criticize an ultra-A-list hyphenate like boborci. I have my opinion of Trek and he has his. His trumps mine because he’s a consummate professional and one of the most sought after ANYTHINGS in Hollywood and I’m just a regular Joe. To do anything else is just Rude. Junior. Sized. Ankle. Biting.

94. daniel craig is my wookie bitch - August 30, 2012

A bit off topic, but the TNG thread is burried pretty far back.
I just got my replacement discs in the mail today for TNG season 1. Came with a nice little apology card featuring some cool artwork of the sketchs of crew members in 10-forward used in the fly by just before the warp out of the enterprise at the end of the opening credits.
I sent some pics and info into the tip line.
But thought i would pass it along on here as well.

95. daniel craig is my wookie bitch - August 30, 2012

i am not sure why i typed 10 forward, but rather the back window of the saucer section

96. boborci - August 30, 2012

88 — like the rest of the scene!!

97. boborci - August 30, 2012

meant 89! Daoud!

98. The Last Vulcan - August 30, 2012

@97, yeah, boborci… when you finally get your live action Trek TV series (I’d much rather it go to you than Seth) then you can ask all of the fans on here to write a script for it. We’ll fight over every obscure reference for three months, some of us will end up being committed to mental institutions and at least one of us will go postal, but I think you’d have one helluva script at the end of all the crying and weeping and gnashing of teeth! :)

99. Basement Blogger - August 30, 2012

Hooray, we get to talk Bond, James Bond. I like the serious James Bond but the fun was gone in Quantum Solace. Okay, I’ll say it. I like the campy Bond of the past. Yeah, I miss the hollowed out volcano lair. (You Only Live Twice.) That stuff was goofy fun. Yep. Vultan is right. (92) Any Bond is not the Ipcress File.

Skyfall switches Bond’s drink of choice, the shaken not stirred martini for a Heineken, What the …. I hate product placement. They do bring back Q. Yea. Let’s just hope the writers have some fun with gadgets and jokes.

Just saw this. Here’s the latest trailer for Skyfall. First scene with Q. (Ben Whishaw; played Keats in Bright Star)

100. Vultan - August 30, 2012


I believe the Heineken is in addition to the martini, but don’t quote me on that. I do agree on the product placement though. The Omega watch commercial in Casino Royale, which I enjoyed, took me out of the story a moment.

101. blalul - August 30, 2012

I would love a Trek created by Whedon and MacFarlane together, produced by Bad Robot, with Frank Darabont as showrunner, and Carlton Cuse writing a big chunk of the series.

a man can dream, right?

102. Daniel craig is my wookie bitch - August 30, 2012

99 Bond has Drank Heinken’s on screen before

103. Red Dead Ryan - August 30, 2012


Listen, Einstein, both “Star Trek” and “Casino Royale” are considered by most fans, audiences and critics as the better flicks of each respective franchise. They both are fantasy films. And pretty damn entertaining as well. The producers of both movies did a fantastic job of rebooting each of the franchises they were brought into. And yeah, they (the “Star Trek” writers) did establish where Dr. McCoy had gotten his nickname from, except you didn’t bother paying attention. That’s not our problem you don’t like the movie, its yours.

And again, you owe Bob an apology for the asinine remarks you made towards him.

104. sean - August 30, 2012


I strongly suspect MacFarlane and Whedon would not get along.

105. kmart - August 30, 2012

I didn’t ask a trek writer to come into this thread, and didn’t notice he had either. But I’ve said things critical in past threads too, and I don’t see any reason to apologize for voicing a legitimate viewpoint regardless of who happens to read it. And they aren’t asinine remarks, joker.

My point, which you and pretty much everybody missed since I didn’t spell it out point by point, letter by letter, is that they never needed to give an explanation for the nickname Bones, because it could be inferred (REMEMBER THAT WORD AND YOU’LL TAKE SOMETHING FROM THIS) that this was simply a diminutive of Sawbones, slang for a doctor going back centuries. It was in keeping with the way phasers and other tech was just presented and you could infer it was some higher tech without knowing the kelvin degrees it worked at on ‘kill.’

MIxing his marriage backstory in to rationalize an origin for the nickname is perhaps more silly than the ‘how Bond got his Aston Martin’ moment in CASINO ROYALE — when he never owned one (it was a ‘company’ car.)
More of what you might call UNthink, leading to homages that don’t honor the origins, but instead honor the legend, however inaccurate. It is John Ford’s LIBERTY VALANCE yet again (no, I’m not gonna explain that one, YOU look it up!), where ‘print the legend’ is the default thinking for the more sycophantic of fans, eager to swallow myths rather than dig for hard truths.

BTW, does anybody know if the MirrorKhan or MirrorGaryMitchell rumors have ever been fully dispelled for the new movie? I don’t really want an answer, but I mentioned this subject in another thread in two separate posts days apart that never turned up online, and I was wondering if there was an auto-delete flag for those phrases. Just idle wonder is all.

106. kmart - August 30, 2012

Oh, and before I depart, #87,

You can’t have it both ways. If Bond is escapism where you have to fully suspend disbelief, then you can’t also claim it as hard-edged realism. The new Bonds, for better or worse (mostly worse, thought QUANTUM had a FEW genuine Bond moments, probably the first since the Dalton era), are conceived of as dramas more than fantastic adventures — that’s evident from their humorless approach rather than tongue-in-cheek. FROM RUSSIA is the only one that probably works as a Bond film and a legit thriller, but that is an unrepeatable balancing act.

But if you think you can have the hardedged Craig Bond that has to be taken deadly seriously, then cut it slack for its stupidity, that’d be like loving THE SPY WHO CAME IN FROM THE COLD right up through the point where the guy jumps out of a plane w/o a chute, tackles somebody else and they crash together just on the right side of the Berlin Wall. (yeah, I know there are no parachutes in SPY, I’m sticking a bit from POINT BREAK in there to show how incongruous the events would be in a LeCarre adaptation, and how you really WOULD NOT cut it slack or give it that suspension of disbelief.

Be seeing you

107. Red Dead Ryan - August 30, 2012


Dude, I don’t know what your point is except that you appear to hate “Casino Royale” and J.J Abrams’ “Star Trek” for vague reasons. You seem to blab on and and on like a politician at a national convention. :-)

108. Red Dead Ryan - August 30, 2012


Jeez, dude, I think you’re taking these movies a bit too seriously.

109. Buzz Cagney - August 30, 2012

#100 it does work though, Vults, I really want an Omega watch now! :D

And thanks @99 I hadn’t seen the full trailer. Not sure what to make of it though. It looks like a collection of clips from Indiana Jones and previous Bond movies! Maybe the actual movie will hang together a bit better!
Like the look of the nerdy new Q. He’s definitely a Trek fan!

I still think Bond hit its peak with The Spy Who Loved Me.

110. Khan was Framed! - August 30, 2012

If Mcfarlane can deliver great Trek on TV, animated or not, I’m all for it.

As long as it’s not in the same animation style as his other shows or a comedy.

This should be done kinda like The Clone Wars if it’s an animated series.

111. kmart - August 31, 2012

You seem to blab on and and on like a politician at a national convention.
– 106

Better that than Clint Eastwood at one. It was like seeing Willie Mays in that last world series he played, when he wound up with the Mets, going the wrong direction after a fly ball, just sad beyond belief. (gotta think that Stephen Colbert will do something with the Eastwood/empty chair exchange that makes the whole mess worthwhile.)

As for specific at-length detailed reasons, I’ve gone into them on both films. Hunt around under trevanian and you’ll find ’em. I you were so inclined, which I’m sure you’re not.

112. Red Dead Ryan - August 31, 2012


Okay, I’ll agree with you on Clint Eastwood. The whole act was sad. He seemed like a “crazy old man” on the stage. Which I hate saying, as he’s a terrific actor and director.

I just hope it was merely a clumsy stand-up routine rather than something more serious, like senility or Alzheimer’s.

113. kmart - August 31, 2012

And his skill as a director is such that it transcends politics completely … the actors he gets are absolutely spread across the political spectrum (I mean, Penn?Robbins? Really?), so talent along with capability can still trump innate prejudices. Which is pretty damn cool, that he is THAT good.

I mean, it would be hard for me to overcome my thoughts about John Landis if he were suddenly to become an ‘in’ to the movie business. Or to have participated in a movie like TOP GUN, which I heard Matthew Modine turned down on ethical as well as political grounds. But Eastwood? Yeah, I could look the other way on the politics based on the skill and sensibility. EASILY.

At least up till last night, anyway. I hope you’re right, that it wasn’t the sign of real decline.

114. Dytallix B - September 1, 2012

If you live in the U.K. Patrick Stewart’s appearance on ‘Who Do You Think You Are’ is still available via BBC iPlayer until 24th October:

115. Gilbert M - September 2, 2012

I’m gonna be the odd one out here and say that kmart actually made some good points. He may have been a bit dry with his delivery, but his criticisms were sound. He seems to know a lot about what makes good drama, and I would like to see his insights considered when new plots are written.

That’s not to say I didn’t like the new Star Trek movie(I did, very much so), but there were certain things that bothered me about it, and kmart hits on them perfectly. is represented by Gorilla Nation. Please contact Gorilla Nation for ad rates, packages and general advertising information.