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“Treknology:” What technologies need to be invented to bring us up to speed with Star Trek? October 22, 2012

by Joseph Dickerson , Filed under: Editorial,Science/Technology , trackback

Since The Original Series first aired in 1966, we’ve certainly seen technology that seemed like magic then become a reality today. Smart phones, tablet PCs, voice controlled computing, 3D printing… But, what technologies are we still lacking (or currently working toward) in order to make our lives like what we see in Star Trek? Joe Dickerson takes a look at up and coming technologies in the works that could Trekify your life in the not too distant future (and some that you might be waiting a while for).

My day job is designing user interfaces for both computers and mobile phones, and to do that I regularly research technological advances and innovations. I’m constantly seeing new “tech” that allows me to create designs and functionality I could not have even dreamt of even 5 years ago. I often tell my colleagues that the future has already arrived; it’s just not obvious to most of us.

Obviously, there’s lots of technology seen in your typical episode of Star Trek. Here’s a semi-comprehensive list:

Looking at a list like that, you can see that there’s a lot of “out there” stuff that the creative teams on the series have come up with. We’ll never have any of those things in “real life,” right? Actually, we very well may… and in some cases much sooner than the 23rd Century.

Let’s look at them one by one, and see how our scientific community is working on making the world of Star Trek a reality.

Food Replicators
Well, we are already growing meat, so we are already advancing in that arena. As we have seen from the great late Norman Borlaug when it comes to coming up with ways to feed the multitudes, science has always been able to find a way.

And when it comes to material replicators, we are on the verge of a huge advancement in the world of 3D “printing” thanks to startups like Form1 and MakerBot. And the name of MarkerBot’s first consumer-level 3D printer? The Replicator, named after… well, you know.

Science is continuously refining our abilities to scan the visual (and all the other) spectrums… and while we aren’t close to being able to scan a planet’s surface in moments like on Star Trek, we have been able use satellites and drones to gather a tremendous amount of data quickly and with startling detail.

Well, we’re working on that… sort of. See this link for details on a sonic weapon that can stun, disrupt or kill.

Do you have a smart phone? If so, you have in your hands the modern equivalent of a Tricorder (merged, of, course, with a communicator). Now, the Tricorders in Trek recorded three types of data – geological, meteorological, and biological. Modern smart phones can record sound and video, but not much else. Yet. I recently read that at least one tablet computer that has been released with a barometer, and most smart phones are now plugged into GPS and provide location services (not geological, but similar). Future phones will be extensible and customizable even more than they are now… and some of those “plug-ins” modules could very easily support the needs to scan and capture your environment… just like in Star Trek.

And let’s not forget the medical tricorder, which is also being developed. Not only has an X-Prize program been created to encourage the development of a working medical tricorder, but “Lab on a Chip” technology is being created to allow for blood tests to be quickly and cheaply done in developing countries, to improve public health around the world.

Well, seeing as the whole original idea of this was to save money on the special effects budget (to not have to land a ship every episode), we actually have guys working on it.

See Tricorder, above. We have moved away from single-purpose devices and more towards that “Tricorder” multi-function model. The real challenge is the range – having a “cell phone” that can transmit from a planet surface to a ship in orbit without significant latency is a lot to ask for. Unless you have some massively powerful transmitter that can fit in your pocket… I’m thinking this may not be achievable without a very larger “repeater” to enhance the signal on the surface.

Artificial life forms
As we saw when the Watson computer (almost) won on Jeopardy last year, the singularity may be here sooner than we think. While AI like Darwin isn’t a “life form,” it’s not hard to believe that early “betas” of Data were much like Darwin is today.

Tractor beams
That’s actually being worked on now. Whether we can ever get to the scale that a tractor beam can pull a space ship over a long distance… well, we’ll see.

Time travel
Well, we are ALL time travelers… it’s just we are only traveling in one direction. Stephen Hawking is working on it, though it may be a LONG time coming.

Photon torpedoes
It’s just supercharged anti-matter bombs propelled at an incredible speed, right? Well… I don’t know of anybody working on this right now… but I hope they are on our side.

Impulse engines
See the Ion drive… not yet built in space, but again, we have top men working on it.

Artificial Gravity
This was because they were on a TV show with a limited budget… and they couldn’t afford the “wire work” necessary to have everyone floating around. I question whether we will even invest in significant efforts to make this happen, though you never know. And you CAN have artificial gravity in space right now. Just build a very big centrifuge.

Warp Drive
This is the big one… And yes, scientists are working on it. In fact, they are designing a warp drive powered by “dilithium crystals” right now… in Huntsville, Alabama. Are we about to get the jump on Zephram Cochrane?

The take away?
Obviously, we are not living in a Star Trek reality yet, but there are enough developments in “treknology” to make me not only optimistic but also curious: would we be investigating these ideas if Star Trek didn’t have them first? I have it on good authority that Steve Jobs was a Star Trek fan – did that influence the vision behind the iPhone and the iPad? It makes you wonder.

The key to all technology is, of course, its application. How will it be used? Perhaps I’m overly optimistic, but I have a feeling that advances in technology will be for (and result in) the greater good, and not be leveraged by forces bent on destruction. Lives will be made better, the poor will be better fed, and the world will be a better place.

Or, in other words, and to quote a certain Great Bird of the Galaxy… the human adventure is just beginning.



1. Hat Rick - October 22, 2012

Food (and material) Replication –Real life (RL) counterpart: 3D Printers
Sensors — RL: medical “tricorders”; wide-spectrum scanners
Phasers — R: Directed beam weapons (tested out on our U.S. naval ships)
Tricorders — see sensors
Transporters — extremely difficult, but some progress has been made: RL: Quantum teleportation
Communicators — Not only cell phones, but satphones
Artificial life forms — RL: Genetic engineering + cybernetic research
Tractor beams — RL: I seem to recall something about this in the news some months ago
Time travel — RL: May be impossible for physical beings; best bet may be tachyon research, quantum theory development, dark energy; far-off future
Photon torpedoes — RL: ?
Impulse engines — RL: Ion drive
Artificial gravity — RL: ?
Warp drive — RL: Alcubierre theoretical speculation

2. Hat Rick - October 22, 2012

Regarding artificial gravity, the recent discovery of the Higgs boson may be of interest, as it provides substances with mass. An artifical projector of the effects of such quantum particle could be possible speculatively within a few centuries or less.

3. Andy Patterson - October 22, 2012

I’ve said for some time we need to have a medical tricorder. As I believe most doctors know nothing it would have saved me many years of grief at many doctors offices.

4. The Last Vulcan - October 22, 2012

An Agonizer for fakeboborcis. :)

5. Billy Mays - October 22, 2012

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6. Robert - October 22, 2012

Technically photon torpedoes are simply antimatter nukes, and nukes have been around for decades.

7. chrisfawkes.com - October 22, 2012

I’m happy with my iphone and star trek communicator app but i’ll take what comes.

8. Daoud - October 22, 2012

“…we have top men working on it…”
Aaargh… hopefully by the 23rd century, journalists will stop using sexist language that reinforces the pressures on women to avoid science, technology, engineering, and mathematics….

9. UK Trekkie - October 22, 2012

Yes, Steve Jobs was a big Star Trek fan.

I have it on good authourity that Steve gave Gene Roddenberry one of the first Apple Mac computers for him to use instead of a typewriter.

Gene found that it wasn’t powerful enough and gave it away. It was later discovered that this Apple Mac computer had the serial number 000001.

10. Vultan - October 22, 2012


Lighten up. That’s a line from Raiders of the Lost Ark.

“TOP men.”

11. samporteresq - October 22, 2012

What about holograms? And they’ve also got prototypes of “holograms” that displace matter. You can reach out touch an invisible object that feels just like an object you recognize. Put the two together – holodeck,anyone? Or, a holosuite if you prefer the more . . . well, colorful side of life. : )

12. George Zip - October 22, 2012

Nothing to add at the moment, but I got really excited when I saw there was a new article. Keep ’em coming, guys, even if they’re just pointers to other articles.

#8 – lighten up; as #10 said.

13. Charla - October 22, 2012

Awesome article Joseph, thank you for posting it. It certainly brings up some interesting topics about how far we’ve come but also how far we have to go to get to where Star Trek is technologically speaking.

I have particular interests in the medical field and love the needle-less injections for patients which has come to fruition in the last few years.


I would love to see the tricorder advance as well. I have been both caregiver and patient and agree with Bones when he worked on Chekov’s brain injuries on ‘The Voyage Home’ that 20th century medicine is “barbaric”. It seems to remain so in the 21st century, but at least it is better than in the middle ages. Thankfully there is work being done in that area as well, and a nice reward for coming up with it as well.



We here at TrekMovie could come up with this technology couldn’t we? We have until 2015 to “make it so” and win!!

Thanks again Joseph for the post~

14. AJ - October 22, 2012

Thanks for using the phrase “TOP men.” My favorite from “Raiders.”

15. rm10019 - October 22, 2012

Always fun to explore the Trek Tech!

16. Luke Montgomery - October 22, 2012

Vulcan, I’m s guy and #8 does not need to “lighten up”… They are spot on right. “Top men” is sexist without doubt. What if the author had said We have some of our best white people working on it now”? Would that be more clearly wrong. No harm was meant I’m sure but harm none the less was done. Women have been historically excluded from a range of things for so long that it has become ” normal” and in the language we use. We need to root it out everywhere we see it. Don’t make me have Janeway come explain it to you.

17. casual poster - October 22, 2012

16. Luke Montgomery

I think you need to lighten up too. It was a line from a movie. He wasn’t slighting women, it was JUST a line – no insult was intended by it.

18. Gary S. - October 22, 2012

#14 Yeah, I caught that too.
But, in the film wasnt the “Top Men reference a LIE?
I hope we really DO have top men working on an Impulse Drive !

19. cpelc - October 22, 2012

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Oh and BTW has anyone else noticed that Darkness is spelled Darrkness on the released image of the prequel comic? That’s a fairly large spelling error to make it unnoticed before release.

Perhaps the villain’s name is Darrkness and it’s a double-meaning in the title?

20. THX-1138 - October 22, 2012


You’re a jerk. If this site had a moderator that cared you would be banned. Ever since you totally spoiled the ending of Looper on that 3 frame clip thread I consider you persona non grata.

21. Phil - October 22, 2012

There really are only a few that are long ways from being possible, or practical, which is really more important…

Transporters — apparently they work at the quantum level, but require ridiculous amounts of energy to use.
Communications — long range has the same problem with the speed of light.
Artificial life forms — There seems to be a growing train of thought that once machines become self aware, one of the first things they are going to figure out is they really don’t need man. AI as Data will probably never happen.
Photon torpedoes — Not a lot of anti-matter laying around, and again, requires ridiculous amounts of energy to make.
Artificial gravity — Would seem to be a must for zipping around at sub-light speeds.
Warp drive — Seems like everytime someone finds a shortcut around this, Einstein has the last word.

These are mine –
100% computer reliability – imagine the blue screen of death popping up on a computer controlling a vital system, like the artifical gravity. A failure, for even a microsecond, and the crew is dead.
Cheap energy – a lot of the Trek universe seems to require a tremendous amount of power to make it work.Look at food – a replicator is going to take some inert matter (remember, you can’t create something out of nothing), transport that matter from storage to a replicator, apply a lot of energy to it, and turn it into a tasty and nutritious meal. We seem to get really worked up about the labeling of food thats genetically engineered now, not sure how practical this will be in the future.

22. n1701ncc - October 22, 2012

How about the universal translator, where we can hear and understand in whatever language a person speaks. Talk about job reductions at the UN …lol…

23. Gregg in DC - October 22, 2012

About time a new article was posted. C’mon Anthony, how about an explanation about why your not around much anymore. Don’t you owe it to us?

24. Emperor Mike of the Empire - October 22, 2012

Trekology is is amazing. Watch the Tos Ep Patterens of force and you will see Kirk and Spock looking at a large HD TV. Fake then but real now. I think we all can go on and on and see a lot of Tos Trekology in todays 21st century world.

25. CanOpener1256 - October 22, 2012

What I find amazing is that in the 23rd century we will still be using steam valves in engineering, and freezer plastic door seperators on our shuttle craft. At least in Abram’s new universe. How about a reverse thread of modern tech still seen in all iterations of Star Trek? Like the sprinkler heads and emergency lighting units in that hallway where Kirk and Spock found Scotty in the. 2009 movie? That took me right out of the film for a moment or two.

26. ironhyde - October 22, 2012

I’ve always believed that when we get replication, putting the means of production in the hands of the people and decentralizing it, then we will get past money. That is something I’m really looking forward to, Star Trek’s economics.

27. Remington Steele - October 22, 2012

In before people complain this update doesn’t contain the new movie…

28. AJ - October 22, 2012

It would indeed be a challenge for Mr. Abrams & Co. to keep up the “Trek” tradition and come up with futuristic devices that we don’t know yet that we need.

How about a computer ‘self-destruct’ mode that says “Updates 1-17 are Being Installed. Do NOT turn off your Computer.” ;-)

29. rm10019 - October 22, 2012

27 – I think Anthony owes us a personal apology and a slice of pizza for this new article.

If he is not careful, people will stop coming here and complaining about the fact that there are no new articles. Over, and over, and over… :)

30. StevenPDX - October 22, 2012

Loved the comment about photon torpedoes: “I hope they’re on our side.” No kidding! Reactivates the argument as to whether a visit from aliens will be friendly (ala First Contact) or hostile (ala Cowboys and Aliens).

Just as long as they bring some good beer with them…

Can’t wait for the new movie!

31. CAPT KRUNCH - October 22, 2012

as long as we don’t get synthehol….I only drink the real stuff…haha
Well isnt Siri kinda like a universal translator?….getting closer anyway.
I know the Navy or somebody is working on cloaking tech.

32. Paul - October 22, 2012


Universal Translators anyone?

33. SoonerDave - October 22, 2012

Much bigger issue than artificial gravity is true inertial dampening. You can have all the warp drive you want, but if you go from 0 to c (in some theoretical manner) without internal dampening, you turn all the crew into a mass of intergalatic jello in about .000001 s

34. Lt. Bailey - October 22, 2012

For me the biggest or best Trek Tech would be to have a medical sensor to diagnose what is wrong and then the doctor can proceed with the treatment. Too many times we say ” I don’t know what is wrong, I just don’t feel good/right”. However, a phaser would be nice…

35. AJ - October 22, 2012


Turning the crew into “a mass of intergalactic jello” in .000001 s would solve the issue of food replicators for the passengers ;-)

36. Hat Rick - October 22, 2012

In response to 30 (StevenPDX), I think that aliens, unfortunately, will be hostile. Why do I think that? Well, they say that aliens that aren’t beneficent will have blown themselves up before achieving interstellar travel. I’m not so sure. What if only the mean ones smart enough not to have destroyed themselves get to do it? I mean, think about it — if you’re so brutal that you’ve destroyed your own species, that’s one thing. But if you’re brutal enough so that you engage in warfare (accelerating technological development) all day long, and yet not quite so brutal as to destroy yourselves (although maybe your enemies, granted), wouldn’t that be the best formula for a civilization with star drive?

Besides, Stephen Hawking says we should fear the aliens. So, on that idea, I’m sold.

37. T'Cal - October 22, 2012

Time machine. That way we could leap to a day or two before ST:XII opens so that we could view a trailer or at least a teaser! :D

38. SoonerDave - October 22, 2012

@37, Right idea, but I’ll go you one better – invent time machine to go forward and get BluRay of STID, bring it back, post it AND the trailers (in the extras) on YouTube.

And I just realized if you remove the “I” in the obvious acronym, you’ve turned JJTrek2 into an STD.

39. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 22, 2012

#36 – Not necessarily. The alien technology may be quite different from ours, more based on mental/psychic abilities rather than on fairly gross material kind, where energy required is harnessed in a different way. These alien beings could be easily either – friendly or hostile and most likely, totally misunderstood by us and therefore feared. Fear in itself can induce defensive/offensive actions.

40. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 22, 2012

“And I just realized if you remove the “I” in the obvious acronym, you’ve turned JJTrek2 into an STD.”

What? You’ve only just realized that now?! LOL

41. James Cannon - Runcorn Trekkie UK - October 22, 2012

I’ve just spent the weekend in London at Star Trek Destination London! Awesome …. Why no articles on

Great article too btw.

42. TrekDude - October 22, 2012

Best Trek Tech? My vote goes to replicators… hands down. :)

43. boborci - October 22, 2012

The greatest avdvancement we’d have to make to to bring us up to speed with Star Trek is our ETHICS AN MORALITY;)

44. n1701ncc - October 22, 2012

bob orci nice to hear from you again. Any new communication to us masses that are dying to know some new information on Star Trek. I think you tried to throw me off a several weeks ago when I said the villain was Gary Mitchell and you kind of said imagine the universe being saved from Gary Mitchell. After careful consideration I have gone back to and I just dont think it could be anyone else. For sure its not Khan and too bad its not Mudd but Mitchell will be great as one who can bring the characters closer together and form a special bond with lots of action.

Turbo lifts is another off the list of to be invented. Remember turbo lifts go vertical and horizontal on in the same shaft

45. boborci - October 22, 2012


Hiya. We are working away, getting your surprise party together;) Hope you enjoy.

46. Montreal_Paul - October 22, 2012

45. boborci

I love surprises Bob… I hope it’s a big one!

btw – is Noel Clarke’s character being edited out of the movie?

47. MJ - October 22, 2012

Keachick go away, your posts are always so full of themselves.
You Are not as clever or smart as you think!!!

48. falcon - October 22, 2012

Okay, as to warp drive – it’s not powered by dilithium crystals. Anyone who reads the technical manual knows that a matter stream and an antimatter stream come together inside a dilithium crystal (which contains a fourth-dimensional component) where the reaction is controlled. Out of that reaction comes high-energy plasma that then “resonates” with the special material in the warp coils. This, then, creates the warp field.

A modern-day electricity generator operates kind of in the same manner – magnets react with each other and electricity is generated (or attenuated).

49. Vultan - October 22, 2012


It’s a line from an adventure movie set in the 1930s. Yes, a time of extreme sexism, and I’m thankful women have done much to break through those barriers, as they should continue to do. But it was also a time when folks didn’t get bent out of shape over the slightest thing said or written, as you and #8 have so thoroughly, absurdly demonstrated.

50. MJ - October 22, 2012

Thats the line thats most appropriate of the state of this site right now.

51. Vultan - October 22, 2012


“Failure to communicate.”
is another good one.

52. Montreal_Paul - October 22, 2012

50. MJ

“Patience young grasshopper…”
is a good one too! ;)

53. Montreal_Paul - October 22, 2012

Interesting episode of Castle coming up soon… with Jonathan Frakes Directing… will definitely catch this one!


54. AJ - October 22, 2012

If I were brand new to ‘Trek’ and was told that the new $185m blockbuster coming in 2013 had an arch-villain named “Gary Mitchell,” I would think, “Wow! There’s a scary name! Who’s his sidekick? Jerry Lewis?”

I am not new to Trek, and Mitchell remains one the greatest tragic villains of the series with props to Gary Lockwood and all those who managed to get the second pilot as a green light for the series.

Maybe they’re keeping BC’s character’s name secret because “Gary Mitchell” sounds like he should manage an Applebees in Wisconsin rather than rule the universe with god-like superpowers.

55. Montreal_Paul - October 22, 2012

54. AJ

I hear that world famous pediatrician Dr. Spock is in that new Star Track show. ;)

56. LordOfTheArchons - October 22, 2012

@53 You know it’s pretty sad when you have to link to another Star Trek website to see something that should be on this Star Trek website.

57. Red Dead Ryan - October 22, 2012


Just to correct you, its:


58. Robert April - October 22, 2012

Anyone else experiencing broken links with IE9?

59. Jack - October 22, 2012

Agreed about the ethics point. Yep. Trek ain’t about, or shouldn’t be about, the technology. That’s where TNG etc. stumbled a bit, they started to dwell a bit too much (at first I accidentally typed “swell a bit too much” – which is also true) on the technology (and use it to solve problems).

Sure it apparently inspired the flip phone and the iPad, but, well… big deal — in the scheme of things, at least. I’d rather it inspire making sure opportunities are a lot more equal than they are now.

Sure, tech can help that happen. But attitudes need to evolve, mine included.

60. CmdrR - October 22, 2012

The New iCommunicator comes out tomorrow. It’s smaller… so it can wipe out The Kindle Empire.

As for the other stuff… we’re a heartbeat away from tricorders, and sensors are whatever you want them to be. i.e. telescopes and radar are part of the package.

As long as we invent velour mini-skirts and go-go boots, I’m a happy Earthling.

ps – boborci, can you tell us whether Cumby is using his real voice or one of the cross-the-pond American accents? If you’re still looping the film, PLEASE give him his British accent.

61. Nick - October 22, 2012

Nice stuff thanks Joseph.

I look forward to reading into the links after work!


62. Hat Rick - October 22, 2012

I think it’s great that we can connect Trek with technology. (Of course, as someone else already noted, we shouldn’t let tech overshadow plot.) Today we have a number of scanners that seem to be precursors of Trek medical technology. For example, CAT and MRI machines can yield very detailed views of the inside of the human body. In a couple of centuries’ time, there will be miniaturization of such machines or their functions so that they are the size of tricorders.

The medical beds we see in Trek are also a good idea, and they apparently serve as master displays of the overall health of an individual. We have, today, heartbeat monitors, etc., but nothing quite like the suite of instrumentation seen in those beds.

A little farther afield is the device that McCoy placed on Chekov to cure him in STIV (The Voyage Home). It folded neatly over Chekov’s forehead, whirred a bit for a moment or two, and took care of whatever ailed him. It may have employed some kind of microforce instrument that worked through the patient’s skull and tissue without the need, as McCoy put it, to drill a hole through his head. (After all, this isn’t the Dark Ages!)

63. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 22, 2012

#47 MJ – “Keachick go away, your posts are always so full of themselves.
You Are not as clever or smart as you think!!!”

Well, MJ, I guess it takes ONE to know one. Now don’t tell me that it was not you who wrote why I quoted above, but someone posing as you…Gosh, how convenient!

Re: #43 @ Bob Orci – I think you are right. What to do?

64. Vultan - October 22, 2012


What about: “Doctor gave me a pill and I grew a new kidney!”
That’s the kind of medicine we need!

65. Hat Rick - October 22, 2012

64, Vultan, quite so, indeed. And that was a great scene; so funny yet heartwarming. I must see that movie again soon.

66. Craiger - October 22, 2012

AJ, good point about the bad guys name bringing in the audience. Doomsday Machice sounds enticing. Does Kor, Kang or Koloth sound enticing also?

67. TrekFan - October 22, 2012

66. Craiger

so… you would write of a character’s chance of being a part of the movie… because of his name?? Bahahaha. Yeah, that makes sense. I’m guessing that “V’Ger” made you quiver. The Borg sound really scary too! Hahaha… Good Lord people.

68. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 22, 2012

Yes! I hope that all the actors speak with their own natural accents, except for Anton Yelchin and Simon Pegg. I hope that Chekov has lost some of the stronger “Russian” accent influences and that he has mastered how the letters “v” and “w” sound in English…:)

If Nero could sound Australian, Cumby’s character could definitely sound English!

69. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 22, 2012

My so-called Chris Pine cyber stalking has lead to me to check out the Chris Pine Network where 26 photos from the Jack Ryan set in London have been posted. Most of the photos are very similar though. I suspect that many of these same photos will be on sites like JustJared – I haven’t checked though. Too many people post nasty comments either about the photos (why do they go and comment on sites which are about actors… they don’t like? Duh!)

Chris looks lovely, although he does look a bit tired. Then again, I believe he has been filming virtually non-stop since the end of August/early September.

Is there a hotel in London called Hotel Grushnitsky Moscow? It’s been quite a while since I was in Moscow (yes, I am not being *smart* – I have actually visited Moscow), but if memory serves, everything was in Russian lettering (cyrillic) or perhaps not? Anyone know the answer to this question?

70. Commodore Adams - October 22, 2012

With regards to tech, aside from the obvious most important and needed would be food replicators we have made great strides in sensor tech and I think the world is well off without more weapons…..I am a little disappointed with the advancements we have made in technology and computing that we are still burning liquid and solid fuels for space travel. Our current space propulsion methods are frankly, rather pathetic, archaic. I know there are experiments currently being carried out on ion propulsion, warp theory, experiments with antimatter and so on but we are severely lacking in the category of space propulsion, especially if we want to leave our solar system to explore. In my opinion that is the most important.

71. Hat Rick - October 22, 2012

As far as space propulsion, NASA once had grand plans for a supersized launcher called Nova, but few people even remember it anymore.

Actually, the Nova program encompassed a number of possible vehicles, each of which was to be more powerful than the Saturn V, which remains the most powerful rocket booster ever to have been successfully launched. (The Soviet N-1 Moon rocket, all of whose launches failed, had much greater thrust, although less overall capability.) (Wikipedia under “Nova” and “N1 (rocket)”.) The program ended in 1964, according to the same source.

There was also a program called “NERVA” which was supposed to the world’s first nuclear-powered rocket engine. This American program was terminated in 1972.

(Why can’t we dust off the designs for these rockets and use modern techniques to improve upon them?)

72. Hat Rick - October 22, 2012

^^ I remembered the terms “Nova,” “N-1,” and “NERVA,” but had to refer to the Wikipedia for the details. Wikipedia also clarified for me that NERVA was an acronym, which I’d forgotten.

73. Vultan - October 22, 2012


There was Project Prometheus about ten years ago, started in 2003, then cancelled two years later. As with most space endeavors these days, it was terribly underfunded.


Freeman Dyson worked on a nuclear powered spacecraft design in the ’50s called Project Orion.


74. Vultan - October 22, 2012

Hopefully there are more than a few “top men” working on deep space propulsion. It will be as important to humanity as sails were to Magellan.

75. Hat Rick - October 22, 2012

Sorry to post in such quick succession, but I just had to point out this information from the NERVA article on Wikipedia.com:

“NASA plans for NERVA included a visit to Mars by 1978 and a permanent lunar base by 1981. NERVA rockets would be used for nuclear “tugs” designed to take payloads from Low Earth Orbit to larger orbits as a component of the later-named Space Transportation System, resupply several space stations in various orbits around the Earth and Moon, and support a permanent lunar base. The NERVA rocket would also be a nuclear-powered upper stage for the Saturn rocket (the Saturn S-N), which would allow the upgraded Saturn to launch much larger payloads of up to 340,000 pounds to Low Earth Orbit.”

As we all know by now, none of that was to happen, because space exploration had lost much of its focus by the early 1970’s. I won’t blame any particular administration for this, although one could easily point the finger at RMN (Nixon). I think that most Americans had lost interest once the late Neil Armstrong landed on the Moon and the “space race” was considered to have been won.

Apollo was to end its missions with Apollo 17 in 1972, and Gene Cernan was to be the last astronaut ever to set foot on the Moon — a fact he constantly bemoans.

The Saturn V was never to be launched again except to loft Skylab (1973 to 1979, with last occupancy (third mission) ending February, 1974). Skylab’s manned missions were launched using Saturn IB boosters, much less powerful than the Saturn V.

The Apollo-Soyuz Test Project was launched using a Saturn IB.

Since then, the most powerful launch system has been the Space Transportation System, better known as the Shuttle, now defunct.

Fun facts: Saturn V total first-stage thrust: In excess of 7.5 million lbs. STS total thrust (SRB’s and Shuttle engines): About 6 million lbs. Soviet N1 rocket total first-strage thrust: More than 11 million lbs.

NASA still has plans for a Saturn-class launcher and is supposedly working on designing it. It may be underfunded at this point; I haven’t checked recently.

76. Dadio - October 22, 2012

45. boborci

I bet the big surprise is the launch of the Star Trek into Darkness website.

77. Azrael - October 22, 2012

@68. The V/W swap is not part of the natural Russian accent, Yelchin put it into his performance because that is how people expect Chekov to sound, you know like this.

“Can you tell me how to get to Alemeida? It’s where they keep the nuclear wessels.”

It was a part of the character that was established by Koenig and Yelchin was mangling his own natural Russian accent to give it to the fans, you should check your facts better, or at all.

78. Hat Rick - October 22, 2012

73 and 74 (Vultan), thanks for the interesting links and comments.

The whole space tug idea was dropped for budgetary reasons, as I recall, so that there was to be no space tug whatsoever — conventional or nuclear.

This is somewhat reminiscent of the Inertial Upper Stage, which fulfilled something of the same function. You can see the IUS in action as it lofts certain payloads from the Shuttle cargo bay to higher orbits. As I recall, there were program challenges for the IUS as well. I think it was ultimately terminated well before the end of the Shuttle program.

However, STS is a schizophrenic program in that it is semi-military as well as civilian. There were STS military launches in which all payload operations were essentially concealed, along with the nature of the payload itself. Certain of these assets required much higher orbits than the Shuttle Orbiter could possibly attain, and so they would have require some kind of upper stage which may or may not be the IUS.

As I recall, the ultimate design specifications of the Orbiter and STS itself had to comply with milspecs since it was believed that it would be the military’s sole launcher.

As with most things, things didn’t turn out that way. Especially after the loss of the Challenger (which I remember as if it were yesterday), the Air Force decided that it wanted a back-up plan — continued reliance on heavy-lift expendables. An example of such boosters would be the now-retired Titan IV, which I think did double-duty for NASA when it launched some of its heaviest interplanetary space probes.

Currently, the Air Force has a stable of boosters run by an consortium of Boeing and Lockheed based on the Delta IV and Atlas V designs. Boeing’s Delta designs started off as medium-lift rockets but now are some of the heaviest-lift rockets available in its most recent instantiation. Atlas V is slightly more powerful in its “Heavy” form, but on the other hand, it relies on a Russian-designed engine which is stockpiled by the United States. Delta IV uses an American-designed, American-made engine, the RS-68, which is the most powerful and newest liquid-fueled rocket since the Shuttles Main Engines (SSME’s). Unlike the SSME’s, the RS-68’s are not reusable, however.

There’s new developments involving the SpaceX booster that may have an effect on the above, and if the Dragon does become the COTS rocket of choice, it may have a leg up on the revised post-Constellation human-rated booster as well under the so-called Flexible Path to Mars.

By the way, anyone remember the launch of the Ares I-X prototype? First and last launch, it was to be.

79. Hat Rick - October 22, 2012

^^ The engines for the Atlas V, RD-180’s, are both Russian-designed and Russian-manufactured, as I recall. They can be, but are not, made in the United States even though the rest of the Atlas V is.

80. Vultan - October 22, 2012


You’re welcome, HR. And thanks for your interesting comments as well.
You clearly know your stuff.

By the way, while looking up those articles I saw that Freeman Dyson is still with us, at age 88. I wonder what he thought of TNG’s depiction of a Dyson sphere….

81. Jack - October 22, 2012

Hopefully there are more than a few “top men” working on deep space propulsion. It will be as important to humanity as sails were to Magellan.

Heck, maybe a lot of people would have had longer and less horrible lives had exploration — and subsequent empire-building — not happened.

I don’t buy that space is the answer — we’ll bring our problems and weaknesses with us. It’ll be Weyland-Yutani and not the Federation.

82. Hat Rick - October 22, 2012

I enjoyed posting them, Vultan (80).

One more thing: The 1960’s and part of the 1970’s was the heyday of manned space exploration, and even though many of us were leery that the Apollo space program was winding down, we were looking forward to the STS to pick things up.

When the Orbiter Enterprise (OV-101) took flight on a test mission the year after it was rolled out with Gene Roddenberry and the rest of the Star Trek crew in attendance, it promised great things.

The continuity between the late 1960’s and the post-Apollo era may be less obvious now, with the passage of time, but it did exist. For a sense of that era and how its sensibilities affected the science fiction mind, take a look at the fictional Eagles used on the SF show, Space: 1999. The same technically oriented design motifs found in the 1968 film, 2001: A Space Odyssey are also found in the form of the Eagles, and in fact you can see that the Eagle shuttles would fit in nicely with the real-life International Space Station:


Space: 1999 was obviously based on the assumption that the programs envisioned at NASA at the height of the manned space program in the 1960’s would come into fruition. Little did we know the falsity of that assumption. In reality, by 1974, or around the time the show premiered, the space budget was permanently slashed, no Moon bases were to be established, and Mars was to be out of reach except by robots for at least another sixty (60) years (the mid-2030’s under the FPTM).

That is, unless other countries or agencies beat that timeline, which, despite international progress, remains very unlikely.

Put another way, the length of time that had elapsed between the flights of the Wright Brothers (1909) and the first landing on the Moon (1969) will be less than that between the last landing on the Moon (1972) and the probable first human landing on Mars. Technological progress, therefore, clearly has been highly disappointing in some respects.

Nevertheless, the future beckons. It is ready for us. Are we ready for it?

83. Jerry Modene - October 22, 2012

I’m surprised nobody has mentioned the Holodeck. Or maybe they did and I missed it.

84. Corkscrew - October 22, 2012

#20 THX-1138 You can tell there’s no moderator by the all the fake boborci posts (c’mon people–stop interacting with fake boborci).

85. Vultan - October 22, 2012

Keep a happy thought, Jack.

But also keep in mind that while technology has advanced, the empires of old did not. Look around. They’re not around anymore, are they? Replaced by new empires, sure, but they’re not quite as bad as the old ones. Not [quite] as brutal. Just a smidgen more respectable. Replaced swords with suits and ties. I suppose that’s some tiny measure of progress. Tiny.

Investing in space exploration—by that space technology—can change society in wonderful ways not always apparent to us. This thing we’re on here, the internet, is a secondary product of the space race. A few years after the famous “Blue Marble” photo of Earth was taken, things like Earth Day and the EPA came about. Coincidences?

And those are just a couple of examples.

86. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 22, 2012

“I hope that Chekov has lost some of the stronger “Russian” accents…….:)”

This is what I wrote. Note that I put the word Russian in quote marks. I know he was not speaking a proper Russian accent. I am aware that Anton Yelchin’s first language, Russian, does not have the pronunciation problems that Walter Koenig and his Chekov had with pronouncing the letters “v” and “w”.

I see that MJ has posted nothing since…

87. Azrael - October 23, 2012

This is what you wrote, copied precisely.

“Yes! I hope that all the actors speak with their own natural accents, except for Anton Yelchin and Simon Pegg.”

You said that you did not want Yelchin using his natural accent, then complained about the V/W thing which is not part of his natural accent, so once more you are wrong.


88. Nick - October 23, 2012

87 …

I’d suggest you leave instead if you’re going to carry on like that.

89. trekprincess - October 23, 2012

Boborci how is Star Trek Into Darkness coming along.? you sent me a tweet about a couple of weeks ago saying that we expect to see the trailer in December if true can’t wait.

90. Holger - October 23, 2012

A big omission on this list: Androids. We’ve seen plenty of them in TOS and of course Data and his relatives in TNG (for some unknown reasons, the TOS-androids were more lifelike than Data ;) And in real life, good progress is being made in that direction.

91. Captain Kirk - October 23, 2012

Green women. We really need those.

92. Chris Doohan - October 23, 2012



93. Dee - lvs moon' surface - October 23, 2012

#69. Rose (as in Keachick)

I think the scene they were filming in London this past weekend is part of the scenes shot in Moscow in early September and Liverpool … probably CP looking tired is part of the scene … they filmed in London, “Jack Ryan” arriving at his hotel in “Moscow” … movies things!

:-) ;-)

94. Daoud - October 23, 2012

20. THX-1138 – #8
You’re a jerk. If this site had a moderator that cared you would be banned. Ever since you totally spoiled the ending of Looper on that 3 frame clip thread I consider you persona non grata.
Don’t know what you’re talking about. I’ve never seen Looper. Nor Keyser Soze in a long time. You get anything about make believe? I make up a dozen STID “spoilers” and threw in a handful of fake “spoilers” in general. None of them were real. And I didn’t call you a jerk, so if there were moderators, what would their response be to your impoliteness?
And I work daily on expanding opportunities for young people in science. The article author wasn’t quoting Raiders of the Lost Ark, and no one under 18 will pick up on that. The author didn’t even quote it right, or put it in any context. I still hear female college students say they were discouraged from taking science and math courses by their counselors, peers, and parents. Not their science and math teachers… but everyone else. It’s a real problem, and I made a cogent point, hoping that by the 23rd century, even a sexist remark made as a “joke” in a movie not at hand…. isn’t appropriate in a SCIENCE article.
I refer you all back to your previous remarks.

95. Dave in RI - October 23, 2012


Androids would fall under “Artificial Life Forms”, which was listed.

96. Hat Rick - October 23, 2012

A belated word of thanks to Joseph Dickerson for this wonderful article, by the way.

And re: Vultan’s comment at 85, I do try to be optimistic, but sometimes it’s more difficult than others.

Looking back at history has its risks and rewards. It’s true that we don’t have the empires of old. But things in the modern age could still be better than they are, for so many, and for so many reasons.

George McGovern, the former Presidential candidate, passed away a few days ago at the age of 90. For those who do not remember him, he was an ardent liberal who defended American liberalism. Say what you will, Star Trek grew up in an age of forward vision — an age that ended some decades ago.

Some write that Mr. McGovern experienced a political epiphany when he lost his business late in life and opined that had he known how difficult it was to be a business owner, he might have been a better Presidential candidate. But he remains a symbol of political advocacy to progressives and, equally, reviled by the right for his views on war and peace.

So what do we have?

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times….

To coin a phrase.

97. A Top Man (working on it now) - October 23, 2012

Its good to hear that we have Top Men working on these things. Shouldn’t take long to get some of this stuff invented, what with having Top Men working on it.

98. A Top Man (working on it now) - October 23, 2012

Hi, Vults. I’m taking a day off from ‘working on it’ today. Enjoyed your posts above, my friend. Can’t add to it though, you are too smartified for me about such things. I can tell you about Pocket Sprung beds and Frasier episodes though matey. ;)
Speak later.

99. I'm a trekkie NOT a trekker - October 23, 2012

@23 maybe he went and got a life.

@everbody else, We already have impulse engines; they are called rockets.

100. Dee - lvs moon' surface - October 23, 2012

I just watch the world premiere of Skyfall in London live online … Please I want the premiere of “Star Trek Into Darkness” like that! … boborci??… :-) ;-)

101. Montreal_Paul - October 23, 2012

100. Dee – lvs moon’ surface

You saw the Skyfall premiere ONLINE? I wouldn’t want that, I want to see a movie on the big screen with full surround sound. I’ve tried to watch movies on my computer and I find the screen too small. But hey, to each their own! Good on ya!

102. harglebargle - October 23, 2012

IDW just announced the next movie prequel series, and THIS is what we get today? Is anyone actually running this website?

103. Dee - lvs moon' surface - October 23, 2012


I’m talking about the red carpet premiere… you know all the guys there… Daniel Craig, Javier Barden, Judi Dench, Ralph Fiennes…. SonyPicsUK live on youtube

replay here:


104. Phil - October 23, 2012

@76. I RE:#45. I bet the big suprise is the movie is being postponed for a year.

105. Jack - October 23, 2012

104. And I bet you’re wrong. ;)

106. a - October 23, 2012

Most of the links are broken.

107. Phil - October 23, 2012

Cheap, plentiful energy is still needed to make the Trek universe go. Anti-matter and deuterium are very rare, and the Trek universe implies there is plenty of it available.

108. Montreal_Paul - October 23, 2012

102. harglebargle

That was last week. Old news.

109. THX-1138 - October 23, 2012


That’s a load of crap.


In post #585 on the 3 frame clip thread you most certainly did give away the ending to Looper in such a way as it to be a monumental coincidence to be so accurate. That sucks big time, guy. You stretch the realm of plausibility when you claim you haven’t seen the movie yet get the ending 100% spot on.

On any site that features movies or other such entertainments it is a cardinal sin to give away spoilers, particularly the ending of a movie without at least a warning. Veiling your ruining of Looper’s ending with some other “made-up” spoilers doesn’t cut it. If it were up to me I would ban you.

And no, I won’t let this go.

110. Montreal_Paul - October 23, 2012

Anyone can guess Looper’s ending. Big Duh!

111. Montreal_Paul - October 23, 2012

WTF!! That isn’t me that posted at 110. Someone is posting under my name! That’s not me in the other posts on here as well. I’ve been on a shoot up in Northern Quebec for 5 days! I bet it’s F**cking Stunkill again!

112. Charles - October 23, 2012

Oops scratch Tractor Beam off the list.


113. Shilliam Watner (Click for Trek Ships Poster) - October 23, 2012

111. Montreal_Paul – if you have been gone for five days, somebody’s been very active under your name here during that period.

If this site is actually interested in continuing, and that seems doubtful, it needs a login function like AICN has. That way you can’t be impersonated.

114. Red Dead Ryan - October 23, 2012

Montreal_Paul=Casual Poster on the “3 Second Clip” thread. He accidentally exposed himself there.

115. Shilliam Watner (Click for Trek Ships Poster) - October 23, 2012

114. Red Dead Ryan – Ah, I see! Thank you for the tip. IF indeed you really ARE the real RDR.

Again, more reason for the AICN kind of login. Especially on a site that isn’t monitored in the least. If Anthony really wants to keep this thing legitimate, that must be done, in my humble opinion. Knowing that there’s somebody here who would impersonate us makes me not want to be here. When the inmates are running the asylum, you inevitably get chaos, and that’s what has happened to this site.

That Anthony would allow a person to cause such discord speaks poorly of his interest in this site. I’ve defended him in the past, but to not have appointed monitors to operate in his absence, knowing what he knows of the commenters, is pretty irresponsible.

I could understand if he’s tired of babysitting, but all the more reason for some monitors. Or just discontinue the site. It has become useless to me. There is no real news, and now there is no real fellowship due to the actions of one (?) person.


116. AJ - October 23, 2012

Now that Trekmovie has been outed by Trekweb as “apparently dead,” it is time for someone on that masthead who is not Joseph Dickerson or Mark Martinez to engage in some damage control. I’ve heard the head that site is getting ready to bail as well, but at least he is open about it.

Even though there is still no news, what we can say about Anthony is that “He is unable to respond, or he is unwilling to respond.”

Based on that, we know he is alive (Basement Blogger received an e-mail from him last week responding to a “tip.” about Shatner on Colbert).

While the film’s ‘cone of silence’ remains a mystery, I’m starting to think Anthony’s utter and complete disappearance is a legal issue. If he’s responding to personal e-mails, he can write an editorial or just drop in to say “Hi,” He can do that from a hospital bed or Kilimanjaro. I think he is legally gagged.

The recent articles here have been quite general in nature, with book and comic reviews (licensed by CBS) and the JJ with Conan clip, which is officially part of the STID marketing program, but no ‘scoops’ or special stuff like last time.

117. Phil - October 23, 2012

AP was really vocal that sockpuppeting was an instant ban offense. When you look back over the last few months, except for a few occasional posters, the site has really been vacated. I have no issues if it adopts a reqistered user format, or someone polices it again, but to do nothing is really a shame. There are an interesting group of posters here, and frankly most of the other Trek pages I’ve looked at are hard on the eyes. Oh, well….

118. Shilliam Watner (Click for Trek Ships Poster) - October 23, 2012

117. Phil – Agreed, Phil, and it is too bad. If you are indeed the real Phil. If I am even the real Shilliam Watner. Who the hell knows.

119. Jack - October 23, 2012

I don’t miss the over-policing of comments and constant warnings — it did get better over the years, but when I first came to this site, about 5 years ago, just making a joke was enough to get you warned for trolling.

Thing is, if Anthony makes a statement here like “I’m taking a break until we get real news”, that statement becomes news on other Trek sites — and who knows what repercussions there may be (Anthony’s advertisers?). Actually, as I write that I wonder if that actually makes much sense…

I doubt he’s been muzzled or threatened by Paramount’s lawyers, but…


Bob, have you guys muzzled Anthony somehow (he gets a screen credit and a weekend in Hawaii with the cast if he stops posting exclusives)?

I’d wager that reading/moderating the constant complaining aboutthe lack of Star Trek news isn’t much fun. And putting up constant Trek news updates only to get complaints those stories shouldn’t be here — well, even less fun.

Maybe he’s figured out the villain ain’t Khan and is a little sheepish about posting?

Who knows. I hope the man’s well. He’s done a pretty great job here over the years.

120. Harry Ballz - October 23, 2012

Jack, I agree with your assesment of years ago. Back then if you hinted at anything off-colour, you were banned for a week. I know because it happened to me more than once.

Anthony finally ran a pretty good show until he pulled a Jimmy Hoffa!

121. Shilliam Watner (Click for Trek Ships Poster) - October 23, 2012

120. Harry Ballz – Harry? Is that really you?

122. Harry Ballz - October 23, 2012

Yes, it is…..unlike some other people here.

How are you Shilliam? Shame about the quality of this site, isn’t it?

123. Shilliam Watner (Click for Trek Ships Poster) - October 23, 2012

Shame indeed, and a damned one at that! I hope the corpse can be revived and the parasites excised.

124. Shilliam Watner (Click for Trek Ships Poster) - October 23, 2012

I’m going to bed now. If I appear again before 5pm pst tomorrow, then it ain’t me!!!

125. Holger - October 24, 2012

Re 95: You’re right.

126. Jack - October 24, 2012

AI’ve been resisting the urge to say something as I really didn’t want to insult anyone — but I’m not a big fan of these particular sorts of op-eds. If you have some sort of expertise in a field, or are interviewing a few people in that field to get and consolidate their views, sure… but just ‘here’s what I think of Trek’s TV future’ from x contributor… well, even if the site’s getting it for free, I don’t think it’s adding much value, other than, maybe, sparking discussion…

I’m sure I’ll regret posting this.

127. USSEXETER - October 24, 2012

I’ve always said the iPhone is similiar to a tricorder. It has weather apps, a computer to find out any knowledge, gps, etc… It’s as close to a real tricorder in the real world.

128. Captain Ransom - October 24, 2012

i’m just waiting for the painsticks to arrive.

he forgot to mention cloaking device.

and scientists at the university of sydney discovered that warp speed is absolutely impossible. i think of all things, warp speed and time travel are the least likely.

129. Phil - October 24, 2012

I am who I am, still in Southern California. Praying gas gets below four bucks a gallon, and that Vin Scully lives long enough to see the Dodgers win the World Series one more time…

I can prove it, too!!!

130. boborci - October 24, 2012

89 TREKprincess

gonna happen so soon it hurts

131. Dee - lvs moon' surface - October 24, 2012

Ouch… the worst thing about the situation of the site… I really don’t believe in “boborci” anymore… ;-) :-)

132. boborci - October 24, 2012

131 Dee

For the most part, it’s been me. the imposter has only posted a handful of times.

133. Dee - lvs moon' surface - October 24, 2012

#132. boborci

WOW… awesome… I’m relieved!… ;-) :-)

134. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 24, 2012

I am glad to read that it is the real Bob Orci (I hate deceit!).

I am once again concerned about terminology that you are associating with STID – “face melting”, “gonna happen so soon it *HURTS” and the other expression you used alluding to pain and disfigurement. My need/desire for some real hand holding is getting greater by the day and that it be done for me by the writer(s) who wrote this story! It’s only fair.

I know I am repeating myself…oh well…

If *my captain has been injured not only in body, but in soul and mind, then discovery of Menosia is not only desirable but essential!

* as opposed to Q referring to Captain Picard as “mon capitain”.

BTW – How do Pine and Quinto like those puffles, courtesy of my little girl, Michelle. I do hope you made it so!…;)

I know…questions, questions…oh well…sigh

135. Stargazer54 - October 24, 2012

So . . . Bob.

Do you have Anthony drugged and gagged somewhere??

136. boborci - October 24, 2012

135 Sort of;)

137. Stargazer54 - October 24, 2012

Hmmm . . . At least tell us he’s ok.

138. Jack - October 24, 2012

Do we get puffles too?

139. Jack - October 24, 2012

What are puffles?

140. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 24, 2012

Somebody must be monitoring this site because a post I just submitted appeared and has now disappeared… I think Bob Orci knows more than he will admit to!

Puffles? Jack – you can have some too. Just need to know where to find them…:)


My daughter had decided that Chris Pine should get two orange ones – medium and small size. I have a picture on my desktop of Chris with a beard and she thought it looked a bit red/orange, hence the orange puffles. Zachary Quinto is meant to have two yellow puffles – one medium and one small size. She thought it suited Spock (ST09) because she thought this Spock seemed “flashy” – don’t ask me why – pediatric logic…:)!

141. Jack - October 24, 2012

So, I just posted this on another story, but:

Iron Man III’s also Paramount — it comes out in the UK at the end of April, about 3 weeks before Trek comes out here… so, one might expect some sort of Trek something in, say, about three weeks or so…

142. Jack - October 24, 2012

Of course, it could take longer…

143. MJ - October 24, 2012

Keachick says alot, that you would resort to using foul language(even if it is censored) when you get called out on something.
There was a time you would have been banned for that.

But hey what does a cyber stalker of chris pine like you care about that right.

144. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 24, 2012

MJ – Stop trolling. What foul language have I used?

Why should you care whether I “cyber stalk” Chris Pine or not?

145. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 24, 2012

The only person who is being subject to what I would call true cyber stalking has been me – Rose (as in Keachick) and that has been done by MJ or whoever the MJ imposter may be…

Moderator(s) – please do something. I am sick of these personal attacks and lies told about me. Saying that you like someone and following their career (which is in the public arena anyway) is NOT cyber stalking. However, what this MJ has done yet again could be considered cyber stalking, especially if it turns out the person goes under another pseudonym – perhaps “pesky paps”.

146. Astrophysicophile - October 24, 2012

33. According to Alcubierre, the proper acceleration along the path of a spaceship underway on warp drive will always be zero (even though the ship’s coordinate acceleration can be an arbitrary function of time.) If he’s correct, then the crew will not turn into a mass of intergalactic jello.

Nevertheless, warp drive certainly does have a number of objections, one of which is that it will need exotic matter in order to generate the distortion of spacetime.

147. MJ - October 24, 2012

Give me a break Keachick, now your playing all sweet and innocent and acting like you dont know what i am talking about?
Over in the milestone thread your post 687 , you dropped the F bomb, while it was censored it was still had the same meaning expressed.

drop the having a case of Romenisia act, I know you know what you posted.

I have never stooped to fould language to express myself like you have.

148. (the real) Montreal_Paul - October 24, 2012

Hey guys, MJ, Ryan, Craiger and the rest of the gang. It was not me commenting on those posts. I away away on a shoot up in northern Quebec for the past 5 days. Anyway, I am back now… I am the real Montreal_Paul. I wouldn’t sock-puppet as Ryan calls it.

149. Red Dead Ryan - October 24, 2012


My apologies to you, sir. Then it means this Stunkill person is totally to blame.

150. (the real) Montreal_Paul - October 24, 2012

149 Red Dead Ryan

No problems, I can understand. I appreciate the apology, sir. Oh, as you saw… I will be posting as (the real) Montreal_Paul for a while. But if I seem “out of character” – then chances are, it’s not me commenting.

151. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - October 24, 2012

All right everyone. This is not the time to panic. This site has gone dormant before. …

…Okay. Now’s the time. PANIC!!!

152. moauvian waoul - aka: seymour hiney - October 24, 2012

36. Hat Rick

Aliens don’t have to be “good” or “bad” per se. They might not be peaceful or they may be warlike. They could just be hungry. Yikes!

153. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 24, 2012

#147 Yet again, my post disappears but your horrible, personal and insulting posts remain. Of course, the post that disappears reminds everyone of how this site has been sometimes (not very nice) and that was even when the moderator(s) were around.

So I dropped the F bomb, but it was nothing compared to what Azrael wrote here at post #87 –
“Also, I AM NOT F_CKING MJ B_TCH!!!!!!!!! Now F_CK THE F_CK OFF.”
This is not the first time that this poster has been thoroughly unpleasant to me when I have tried to give what I feel are fair and well reasoned comments.

In fact, I have had a couple of people take some kind of exception to me and have been very rude and insulting. Some time ago I posted an short outline of part of a story I wrote, for the benefit of Bob Orci’s eyes and a regular poster here REPEATEDLY shouted to me to “SHUT THE F*CK UP” and to “GET THE F*CK OFF THIS SITE”. Everyone “sat” round and said nothing while I was being cyber bullied by this person. He has since apologized, however, as with what is happening now, I am upset that I am the one who feels bullied and ostracized an individual(s) while people just sit around and say nothing… I feel as if I am being mugged and assaulted while everyone watches on!

MJ – You are not the first person to hassle me about my expression of interest/liking of Chris Pine and his career. People talk garbage and then proceed to smudge me with their own nasty projections.

Whoever is making posts disappear (and appear again) should perhaps concentrate on more important matters like dealing with sockpuppets, imposters and those who are rude and insulting towards other posters.

Enough already!

154. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 24, 2012

I post the comment at #154 several hours ago. It appeared, then disappeared and has now appeared again, just after I posted my last comment at #155.

Please sort this site out!

155. Aurore - October 25, 2012

Now is the perfect time for me to share what I’ve secretly wished, of late.

Rosemary should meet Christopher Pine…. together with some other members of the Star Trek sequel cast, in a few months.

I would certainly be here to read about it…..

This is one of my wishes.

Here is another one:

A new title for the sequel…but, I’m not holding out too much hope on that one….

156. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 25, 2012

Thank you, Aurore. I hope that somehow that might happen – not sure how or where though…fingers crossed! I just hope I wouldn’t embarrass myself or anybody else.

As for a new title – I didn’t like much at first either. I was disappointed but I am getting used to it. I think it is how you define and experience darkness. Going into darkness, as in it being a horrible, evil place (which, of course, may just be what the movie is about) is not a pleasant thought. However, darkness can also mean a place of restfulness, of peace, eg I have always loved the darkness of a clear night sky… I suspect the title has a double meaning.

157. Aurore - October 25, 2012

I agree with everything you said about “darkness”.

I do not have anything against the word per se. But, I still don’t like the title( for reasons I mentioned on another thread).

However, since I very much look forward to the movie, I’ll stop complaining about this $!§*!$% title, from no on.

….I’ll try, anyway….


158. Aurore - October 25, 2012

Correction. 157.

from no on. = from now on.

159. sean - October 25, 2012

For those who might be interested, Heather Langenkamp of Nightmare on Elm Street fame said she has a small role in the new Star Trek film (and her husband apparently worked on the makeup effects).


160. Dee - lvs moon' surface - October 25, 2012

All I can say is that being “pinenut” is as legitimate as being “trekkie/trekker” …

the comments made here should not depend on the monitoring of AP but ourselves!

161. Phil - October 25, 2012

Well, it looks like boldly going is going to be scaled back a bit…..if Captain Kirk beams down to a planet, he needs to be sterilized first….


162. Phil - October 25, 2012

“Out of Darkness comes Light” – Myan proverb. Considering they also had a good understanding of astronomy at the time it would be cool if they are telling a story within a story….probably not, though…..

163. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 25, 2012


However, I think that the transporters are meant to shield any incoming or outgoing nasties that may cause problems for either humanity and/or alien life. I would also think that all shuttlecraft would be “sterilized” before and after leaving the starship or base, along with any occupants.

I doubt that we would be able to totally avoid contaminating or being contaminated in some way always, which is why the medical team and areas like exo-biology, botany and geology would be so important in any space faring mission. I think by the time we get to a Star Trek type universe, many of the major problems and concerns of today will have been sorted out by the time we met our heroes on the Enterprise.

Certainly, it is possible that the creator and writers may have taken various branches of sciences, including xenolinguistics, a little too much for granted. However, these areas are mentioned in TOS and the spin-off series, but they are not seen as being as important as they possibly should be.

164. Vultan - October 25, 2012

“There can’t be so much as a microbe, or the show’s off.”

165. Jack - October 25, 2012

160. Dee – lvs moon’ surface – October 25, 2012
the comments made here should not depend on the monitoring of AP but ourselves!


I’m not thrilled with the witchhunt that started just because somebody was using our names and making dumb posts.

166. MJ - October 25, 2012

Oh God please dont encourage Keachick, If anything I would hope that the security guards will keep her far far away from him. Its one thing to state you are a fan its another post and go over every detail of his proffesional and personal life with a fine tooth cone.
Your IMDB postings tell all Keachick they really do.

167. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 25, 2012

OK, where is my post?

Why are you cyber stalking me, MJ, otherwise how would you know what I write? I rarely post anything on the IMDb Chris Pine board. There is not much to say. Are you telling me you are interested in Chris Pine? I doubt it, just like I doubt that you are actually the MJ who usually posts here. I do hope I am right here, but it does not matter, because whoever you are –

You are nothing but a mean troll!

168. NCM - October 25, 2012

Oh, Bob, if you’re out there, how can you bear to see us like this:(

We need news (and a change of venue–maybe a mass exodus to a maintained site). It’s no longer fun to be a Trekkie. Please don’t make us wait until December or beyond!!

169. Jonboc - October 25, 2012

167…Rose, I have to agree…If that is really MJ, he’s getting a bit creepy following your posts all the way to IMDB just to harass you here!

170. TrekFan - October 25, 2012

@ Jonboc 169

I have to agree with you. IF it is MJ… or whomever else, it is a little creepy that someone is cyber-stalking her onto another site. But it may not be MJ. Seems that some imposter is using a lot of people’s handles to stir up crap. MJ may be overbearing and have no filter at times (no offense MJ!), but he doesn’t seem like the stalker type. He’s “good people” as they say.

171. NCM - October 25, 2012

trektoday.com has posted several interesting articles…:

“Star Trek #17 is the story of the “never-been-seen origins of the Enterprise crew in the new movie timeline! First up is Doctor Leonard ‘Bones’ McCoy…”

“Finally, the prequel comic to Star Trek into Darkness will make its debut with Star Trek: Countdown to Darkness #1, the first of a four-issue prequel mini-series which will “set the stage” for the May 2013 film…”

“Heather Langenkamp… has a small role in next year’s Star Trek into Darkness.”

…and more on doings of Quinto and Bana

172. Aurore - October 25, 2012

“Seems that some imposter is using a lot of people’s handles to stir up crap.”


I have my own theory on what’s going on.

‘Can’t prove anything, though….

….Nevertheless, I believe we’ll have some good news soon ( on many fronts ).

Keep the faith, my fellow Star Trek fans!

173. MJ - October 25, 2012

Me and Keachick have had plenty of dust ups on here before. (Go back to some of our threads from middle of this year as refresher if you must)
But in the interest of being the better man, I will stand down and simply ignore her posts for the time being, till she raises my ire once more.

As for knowing you post on imdb, pretty sure a number of the regulars on here visit and read the threads over on imdb as well.

174. boborci - October 26, 2012



Do not worry. Very soon, we will be talking about nothing other than a steady stream of Trek.

175. Aurore - October 26, 2012

Correction. 172.

…Nevertheless, I believe we’ll have some good news soon ( on many fronts ). = …Nevertheless I believe we’ll have some good news very soon ( on many fronts).


176. RNAse-free Jeff - October 26, 2012


What up Bob! Thanks for dropping by. Can you let us in on a little spoiler, such as how many frames have been edited for our new snazzy film?

Please say it’s more than the 3 JJ showed on Conan.

177. Rose (as in Keachick) - October 26, 2012

I often mention IMDb message boards, in particular the two Star Trek boards, Star Trek 2009 and Star Trek Into Darkness. The reality is that I spend most of any time reading messages on these two boards and sometimes posting. Rarely is Chris Pine’s name mentioned; only the Star Trek character he plays.

Frankly, I do not see why MJ needs to bring up my posting history on these boards now, especially the Chris Pine board. Anyone can go and see that the CP board is rather quiet and has been for a while.

If it is the same MJ who has been posting on this site since I’ve been coming here since June 2010, then he is beginning to “lose it”. I am surprised and disappointed that he has begun behaving this way. Not good.

@ Bob Orci – I hope the teaser or trailer is at least 1.00 minute long. Will my hands need to be held?

178. Phil - October 26, 2012

There has been a ton of sockpuppeting on this site since it ‘s been on autopilot for a bit now. If some of the long time posters seem out of character it’s safe to assume they are fake….

179. NCM - October 26, 2012

@ 174. boborci – October 26, 2012

“Do not worry. Very soon, we will be talking about nothing other than a steady stream of Trek.”

Thanks, Bob–made my night! Save reading some great reviews, I missed all of the build-up to Trek 2009. This is a first of its kind journey for me and… It’s exciting! Thanks, too, for rebooting, rekindling, and setting sail!

180. MJ - October 26, 2012

Keachick I told you i Was standing down, so lets just drop it ok.

181. sean - October 27, 2012

Pretty sure that’s impostor MJ, not real MJ.

182. Andy Patterson - October 28, 2012

I certainly don’t begrudge anyone a life. I know Anthony’s given a lot to this site. He’s done a great job and deserves a break I’m sure. I hope that’s all it is.

This has been one of my favorite sites to go to. Lately when I come on here though, I’m reminded of a scene from Tarrantino’s “Foxy Brown” when Samuel L Jackson’s character has had enough of Deniro. He looks at him, right before he kills him,,…leans in and says, “What happened to you, man? You used to be beautiful.” I think of that scene when I come here these days.

183. rogue_alice - October 29, 2012

Why do hardly any of the links work?

184. Durand Durand - October 31, 2012

@Hat Rick: The reason we haven’t got NERVA back on track is (sad to say) because of the environmental movement and its sub-division, the anti-nuclear movement. Both consider nuclear power to be the root of all evil, so much so that all that both want to see happen in space is just solar sailers. Even if a future nuclear powered ship were to become real and was launched (first stage) by a chemically-fueled Saturn V or it’s Russian equivalent (as the Botany Bay is believed to have been launched) people will still freak out about nuclear powered ships in space, or in near-Earth orbit (reminds me of the mid-90’s comic book adaptation of Lost In Space and how the Jupiter 2 mission was denounced by most activists with the words ‘No nukes in space’.

So, until people star to believe sensible things about science instead of fear-mongering, what you and I would love to see won’t happen.

185. Astrophysicophile - October 31, 2012

33, 146. Another problem with the warp drive is that a spaceship at the center of a warp bubble will be causally separated from the outer edge of the bubble’s wall.

186. astrophysicophile - November 1, 2012

185. Everett and Roman discuss this causality problem in their article “A Superluminal Subway: The Krasnikov Tube”, at http://xxx.lanl.gov/pdf/gr-qc/9702049.pdf.

Alcubierre describes the warp drive and its requirement for exotic matter in his article “The warp drive: hyper-fast travel within general relativity”, at http://xxx.lanl.gov/pdf/gr-qc/0009013.pdf.

187. astrophysicophile - November 1, 2012

184. Mark D. Bowles’ article “Science in flux: NASA’s Nuclear Program at Plum Brook Station 1955 – 2005″ tells the story of NASA’s Plum Brook Station, which was vital in the basic research that supported NERVA. The link to the article is http://history.nasa.gov/sp4317.pdf.

188. astrophysicophile - November 1, 2012

75. Bowles points the finger at Nixon.

189. astrophysicophile - November 2, 2012

75. Bowles says that Nixon inherited Lyndon B. Johnson’s massive budgetary commitments to the Vietnam War, social reforms of the Great Society, and the civilian space program. Nixon apparently escalated the war, so he had to reduce the federal budget substantially. He scaled back the space program first, because it was the smallest program, and because, as you say, Americans had lost interest on space exploration as the Space Race had been won.

Because of Nixon’s cuts, NASA administrator James C. Fletcher and his deputy George Low had to fight for NASA’s survival. To do this, they concentrated on programs like the Shuttle, which was reusable and was related to the new societal emphasis on conservation and recycling, and stopped work on nuclear rockets, which required a long-term commitment. So they canceled NERVA and shut down Plum Brook.

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