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Book Review: The Persistence of Memory November 5, 2012

by Robert Lyons , Filed under: Books,Review , trackback

Whenever a Star Trek franchise celebrates a milestone, it’s time for something special, isn’t it? Well, to commemorate the twenty-fifth anniversary of the launch of Star Trek: The Next Generation, veteran Trek scribe David Mack rolls out a trilogy for us, Cold Equations. Join us for our review Book I, “The Persistence of Memory”.

 

STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION – COLD EQUATIONS
THE PERSISTENCE OF MEMORY

by David Mack
Mass Market Paperback – 385 pages
Pocket Books – November 2012 – $7.99

All is not well when Geordi LaForge beams into Starfleet’s premier cybernetics laboratory in the wake of the theft of every Soong-type android the Federation possesses. The place is a disaster, the computer banks are empty, and Captain Bruce Maddox is left dumbfounded and deeply concerned. With the help of the crew of the starship Enterprise, it is hoped that the answers can be found… and quickly. More than technology is at stake – the memories of Data and the very existence of B-4 hang in the balance as a race against time begins to track down the stolen androids.

What is now a sprint for the crew of the Enterprise is simply the final leg of a marathon began decades ago by Dr. Noonien Soong… whose progeny has spent decades coming to grips with his predecessor’s lifetime of both achievement and stupidity. In the wake of the abduction of the androids, his own plans begin to unravel, and only a selfless revelation and a partnership with members of Picard’s crew will be able to prevent a galactic catastrophe at the hands of an unstoppable army.

One thing that is clear to anyone reading Star Trek these days is that you don’t call David Mack in to write a can story… he’s your go to guy when you want something explosive, unpredictable, and engaging. In spite of the fact the “The Persistence of Memory” contains several elements I generally find distasteful in Star Trek literature, I can say without hesitation that every single element of Mack’s story absolutely works.

The book is framed in three sections – the first, which uses the heist of B-4 and company as its main fixture; the second, which focuses on the evolution of Soong’s progeny, and a final section where covert operations and quick thinking come together to address so many plot lines (some stretching back to Star Trek: Nemesis) that it is hard to figure out a way to accurately summarize them all.

In addition to its connections with previous filmed Trek, the story is a direct sequel to Jeffrey Lang’s February 2002 novel “Immortal Coil”. Elements from and fallout from the previous tome pepper the pages of “The Persistence of Memory”, particularly in the second section.

To be sure, some readers will probably express some disappointment concerning this book, if for no other reason that the reasons I would normally dislike the story. But David Mack could probably take a steaming pile of cow dung and make it palatable; and the core story of “The Persistence of Memory” is far more appealing than that. While the action/adventure side of things definitely takes precedence throughout the story, there are finely woven threads tacked into the book, threads that serve to explore ethics, not just in the twenty-fourth century, but in our own time as well.

David Mack presents the reader with a story of redemption, renewal, and hope… as well as one of determination. Emotionally, there are sharp points, reminiscent of the masterful seventh season TNG two-parter “Chain of Command”; but at the same time, there are retrospective moments that seem to channel the spirit of “Data’s Day”. Each portion of the story feels like an episode in and of itself, and are paced to be enjoyed as such.

The end result is an outstanding story that needed to be told… and that will once again change the course of Star Trek literature – boldly in some ways, subtly in others – in a way that is absolutely satisfying. It is, at this point, the best Star Trek story I have read in 2012.

 


Comments

1. Jack - November 5, 2012

Thanks, Rob. I always look forward to these reviews. I read maybe one or two Trek novels a year (I used to read ‘em all until about ten years ago) so these reviews help me pick which ones to read.

2. Jack - November 5, 2012

PS. “In spite of the fact the “The Persistence of Memory” contains several elements I generally find distasteful in Star Trek literature…”

I’m not the brightest reader — which elements? That it depends on readng/watching previous Trek? Or the action-heavy stuff?

3. Thor - November 5, 2012

http://trekweb.com/articles/2012/11/05/First-Details-for-Upcoming-Enterprise-Relaunch-Novel-Rise-of-the-Federation-A-Choice-of-Futures-Coming-July-2013.shtml

4. Emperor Mike of the Empire - November 5, 2012

I think I will check this one out. Looks like it could be a good read.

5. Banned - November 5, 2012

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6. Alex Rosenzweig - November 5, 2012

I’d say the fact that this reviewer really likes this book is pretty good news. And Thor’s link is *great* news!

The fact that 2013 is going to be filled with what promises to be really excellent Star Trek, both in print and on video, is also fine news.

Oh, yeah, there’s that movie, too. ;)

7. Craiger - November 5, 2012

MJ, Aren’t book reviews part of “The Source For Everything New In Trek? At its some news and some people care about this site.

8. Dr. Cheis - November 5, 2012

Before reading the article I guessed there would be a complaint about the lack of more news posts within the first 5 comments. I just won myself a pat on the back!

9. Craiger - November 5, 2012

Abrams officially confirms Cumberbatch is the Villain. They are also editing the sequel now.

http://trekweb.com/articles/2012/11/05/J-J-Abrams-Officially-Says-Benedict-Cumberbatch-Is-the-Villian-in-Star-Trek-Into-Darkness-and-Talks-WalkOn-Roles-Editing-the-Film-Now.shtml

10. M.J. - November 5, 2012

I am glad to see the novels carrying on in the prime universe, cant wait to crack open the cover on this story. Thanks for the review

11. M.J. - November 5, 2012

Thanks for that link thor, excited for that book as well!!

12. Rose (as in Keachick) - November 5, 2012

Yes, Robert Lyons, like Jack, I am curious as well as to what elements in Star Trek literature that you find distasteful. Just wondering

“In spite of the fact the “The Persistence of Memory” contains several elements I generally find distasteful in Star Trek literature, I can say without hesitation that every single element of Mack’s story absolutely works.”

I take this to mean that what you find distasteful does not just occur in this book.

13. MJ - November 5, 2012

**** The Post @5 is not me *****

The poster in @10 and @11 has been exposed as Stunkill.

14. Toonloon - November 5, 2012

What the hell is the point if mentioning something you don’t like in an interview without saying what it is???

15. Remington Steele - November 5, 2012

Thanks for the article!

In before more MJ whining….oh wait…

16. M.J. - November 5, 2012

Toon, I tend to agree with you on that , I can only guess that perhaps its such a minor part of the story Robert Lyons didnt feel it would matter to go into specifcs over it.
I will say this ,that after reading that review i headed over to Amazon and placed an order for the book.

17. Eric Cheung - November 5, 2012

Chain of Command was in the sixth season.

18. CAPT KRUNCH - November 5, 2012

Another book review,,, maybe you can change the name of this site to TREKREAD.com….

19. Jack - November 5, 2012

9. Craiger. Yep, saw that too. And I’m glad you mentioned the bit about them editing the sequel, which he’d said on Conan as well — this is what they’re working on these days. We’ve got just under two weeks until we’re at the 6-month mark.

20. Jack - November 5, 2012

Actually, the bit about the walk-on roles confused me — because it mentioned the super 8 contest, fine, and then a bit about fans paying for walk on roles… it wasn’t clear whether he was just saying it as an expression, as in ‘people would pay to do this!’ Or whether it actually happened — that people, in fact, paid to do it — because ot also said something about a good cause. Charity? Which charity?

Generally – wha?

That said, I read it at 6 this morning so it might be perfectly clear — but I was still half asleep.

21. Enterprisingguy - November 5, 2012

Thanks for another great book review Father Lyons! You, Joe, and Kayla have been doing a great job carrying the torch around here while Anthony has been away. Don’t let the complainers get to you.

I’m really looking forward to David Mack’s latest extravaganza! I’m so burnt out on the Typhon Pact stuff. He never fails to disappoint and I’m sure it will be as amazing as the Destiny trilogy was!

22. (the real) Montreal_Paul - November 5, 2012

I just picked this book up yesterday and looking forward to reading it. Thanks for the review! I always look forward to them.

23. Jack - November 5, 2012

21. Agreed. I feel lousy for criticizing Joe’s op-eds — they spur some interesting discussion. I just got used to the newsy style of the site, back in the day.

24. Craiger - November 5, 2012

I liked Mack’s Destiny Trilogy/

25. J.C. England - November 5, 2012

Haven’t seen a novel worth reading since
The Return… this one looks pretty good so
far. Thanks for the review!

26. cpelc - November 5, 2012

Michael Giacchino posted a photo on his twitter of sheet music http://t.co/fZsaCsBZ

I asked him if it was from Star Trek Into Darkness and he replied back to me – Perhaps!

27. jamesingeneva - November 5, 2012

nice, anyone in music want to decode that for us?

28. Jack - November 5, 2012

“Haven’t seen a novel worth reading since
The Return…”

Didn’t Katie Price ‘write’ that?

29. Furry Ackerman - November 5, 2012

@CSTribune: University of Wyoming Star Trek tribble named Furry Ackerman http://t.co/p5jZmTYj

30. MJ (the original) - November 5, 2012

All, seeing as how no one on this sties reports much anymore, I am going to break this story here myself then:

“The Producers Guild of America (PGA) announced today that award-winning television and film producer and director J.J. Abrams will be honored with the 2013 Norman Lear Achievement Award in Television. The award will be presented to Abrams at the 24th Annual Producers Guild Awards ceremony on Saturday, January 26 at the Beverly Hilton Hotel in Los Angeles. “J.J. Abrams has produced some of the most iconic and highest-rated television shows of the past decade and longer, series that have changed the landscape of television,” said Producers Guild Awards Chair Michael DeLuca. “His talent is astonishing, and through his commitment to ingenious storytelling, compelling characters and television programming of the highest quality, he truly lives up to this award’s namesake. We are so pleased to honor J.J. this year with the Norman Lear Achievement Award in Television.” “It is an incredible honor to be asked to accept »

31. Trek Novels Stink - November 5, 2012

I’ve never seen a Trek novel worth reading…

32. Jack - November 5, 2012

Come on, MJ:, these comments are brimming with news! It’s now wikitrekmovie!

33. M.J. - November 5, 2012

I agree that JJ has earned it for his work in a variety of genres in television. TV is the medium he most suited for

34. Nick - November 5, 2012

Interesting review thanks Robert, looks well worth a read.

35. Romulus - November 6, 2012

@ 30. MJ
a Hollywood Tuxedo circle jerk is hardly news.

36. NX-17000 - November 6, 2012

Looks interesting. On a sidenote, Chain of Command happened in Season 6, not season 7.

37. Robert - November 6, 2012

I wrote a story for a fan site that not only explains how Data emerged from B4, but also explained B4′s origins as I was disappointed on the premise of “The Needs Of The Many.”

38. Sean - November 6, 2012

And if the moderators think my comment is too graphic….have a look at David Mack’s trek Universe…………

39. Sean - November 6, 2012

Please can someone tell me why my own review of David Mack’s books keep getting deleted? No swear words or any kind of profanity…I’ll keep posting and I have multiple proxies so just let me speak

40. Bob Tompkins - November 6, 2012

In the comic leadup to the first Star Trek mivie, which is considered new universe canon, Data did indeed evolve from B4.

41. Hodge Podge - November 6, 2012

Destiny was great, but this sounds like a proper TNG story rather than a war story, and that is incredibly appealing.

42. Banned - November 6, 2012

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43. MJ (the original) - November 6, 2012

@35. Sorry, I forgot that YOU are the person who gets to decide what is news and what is not news. Sorry about that!

44. Alex Rosenzweig - November 6, 2012

#31 – On balance, IMHO, the Trek novels have been better than Trek on film for nearly 30 years. And I see no sign of that changing.

#43 – Perhaps the more important question is, which news is of importance to which people? For me, Trek book news is very important, and Abrams movie news…well…isn’t. For others, it may be the reverse. News is news, really; it’s just a question of what one cares to focus on.

45. Rose (as in Keachick) - November 6, 2012

The music is very, very loud and it appears to use both very high and very low notes (and those in between). It speaks to something very powerful, momentous, relentless?… It also may mean that it is written for the alto-saxophone.

46. Rose (as in Keachick) - November 6, 2012

#39 – Either someone does not like/agree with your review or more likely, you are using some silly, obscure word that keeps getting the post deleted. This site has had, for a while, one or two *interesting* anomalies like not being able to correctly spell words like p*rn, ins-ra-ce, Fi**pino etc. Look for a word that you don’t see used that often, if at all, in what you are trying to post and then just test with just that word…

47. MJ (the original) - November 6, 2012

“Perhaps the more important question is, which news is of importance to which people? For me, Trek book news is very important, and Abrams movie news…well…isn’t. For others, it may be the reverse. News is news, really; it’s just a question of what one cares to focus on.”

Yours and Romulus’s comments here are giving me a new perspective on why Anthony and others may not be providing much “news” anymore. I go through the trouble of posting something interesting in the news about JJ Abrams, and I get all of these people bitching and moaning about. it.

I’ve been guilty of this myself of course, complaining that the few articles we get now here are largely on comic books and non-Trek content, but this response I got here from trying to provide some interesting news on JJ gives me pause to think that in retrospect, I should not have been so critical of people who have at least tried to provide us some news on this web site.

48. Steve J. - November 6, 2012

Anyone see “Castle” last night — episode title “Where No Fan Has Gone Before”? Murder at a sci-fi convention…Beckett and Castle investigate the murder, which happened on a “set” — now a “fan experience” venue — of the cancelled sci-fi show “Nebula 9.” Castle says he’s not a fan of such cheap sci-fi, but does like “Star Trek,” “Star Wars,” and “that Joss Whedon show.” The episode was directed by Jonathan Frakes, and there’s an appearance by Armin Shimerman…and sort of a cameo by William Shatner at the end. Fun but ridiculous plot. Lots of “Star Trek” references. Reminded me of a similar episode of CSI from a year or two ago.

49. Jack - November 6, 2012

“Yours and Romulus’s comments here are giving me a new perspective on why Anthony and others may not be providing much “news” anymore. I go through the trouble of posting something interesting in the news about JJ Abrams, and I get all of these people bitching and moaning about. it….”

Exactly. News is news. Every story these guys puts up gets at least a few commenters complaining that it shouldn’t be here, or that another site had it a few hours before, or that they should also have had some other story that some other site had.

Even the movie news gets complaints because it’s not enough movie news or the right movie news. Sure, it’s usually actors saying the usual ‘we can’t say anything” stuff. The site doesn’t make these stories — it’s like blaming a local newscast for telling stories about local crime… it’s happening, so it’s news.

People complaining on the internet isn’t going to change.

I say, if it’s connected to Star Trek or the people who make it or have made it — it belongs here. And the general sci-fi/science news interests me here too — I was a fan of the scifi round ups and Kayla’s science columns.

The book, music, comic and DVD news and reviews I love.

Just one man’s opinion — but I’m not a fan of op-eds unless they’re from someone with a bit of perspective on the topic. Unless, the site took submissions for regular Huffpo-style op-eds from folks here on certain topics… say a regular rotating column…

50. K-7 - November 6, 2012

Hey Stunkill, check this out: — last night’s ratings show that Revolution far exceeded Hawaii Five-O’s once again:

NBC Revolution: 2.9; 8

CBS Hawaii Five-O: 2.0; 5

ABC Castle: 1.9; 5

So much for your “trend theory”.

51. Jack - November 6, 2012

An example of a word the site automatically rejects: ins-u–ance.

52. Pensive's Wetness - November 6, 2012

Thanks for the book info. Since i retired from the Navy and became a b*tch for the finace and her minions, i actually had a major decrease in the amount of books i read (working theory: something to do with no longer having to stand in line for meals or medical/dental i guess). I only just recently finished ‘Watching the Clock’ and thats only because that book’s been in my car, LOL. As for all the asshats b*tching and moaning?

Im pretty sure they at the very least ignore them at best, happily ban them at worst…

53. M.J. - November 6, 2012

K-7,

My point in our discussion last week was that it was a long-term trend. You will see that by the end of the season that this show will suffer the same fate as the other recent shows with a similar pedigree, like ” V” and “The Event.”

We’ll see who is right by April. Mark my word, Revolution will not make it to Season 2.

54. Thor - November 6, 2012

http://trekweb.com/articles/2012/11/07/Star-Trek-Into-Darkness-will-be-released-in-Dolby-Atmos-to-Deliver-a-new-Experience-to-Audiences.shtml

55. Jack - November 6, 2012

Why’d the stuff about Castle vanish?

56. Red Shirt Diaries - November 6, 2012

Jack, are you talking about Steve’s post at #48 talking about the Castle scifi convention episode? If so, I can still see if?

57. jamesingeneva - November 6, 2012

I don’t know about you guys but how long has it been since anyone in here actually heard from Anthony? Mods/Writers? I’m starting to wonder if someone in here actually succeeded in pissing him off to the point that he quit on us. For the first time in a long time I find myself not even bothering to read the comments or see what’s going on. I just look to see if real or fake boborci peaked in and go. Disappointing :(

58. Dadio - November 6, 2012

Star Trek Into Darkness teams with Dolby Atmos

http://www.slashgear.com/star-trek-into-darkness-teams-with-dolby-atmos-06255886/

Cheers :)

59. K-7 - November 6, 2012

M. J.,

Do you realize that in post #50 I both addressed you as “Stunkill”, and referenced the argument on Revolution versus Hawaii-50′s ratings that I had last week with Stunkill (masquarading then as Casual Poster and Montreal Paul), and you responded directly to me, thus confirming that you are both Stunkill, Casual Poster and M.J. Nice!!!

You really need to do a better job of fooling all of us here, Stunkill. LOL

60. K-7 - November 6, 2012

M. J.,

Do you realize that in post #50 I both addressed you as “Stunkill”, and referenced the argument on Revolution versus Hawaii-50′s ratings that I had last week with you while i was masquarading then as Casual Poster and Montreal Paul, and you responded directly to me, thus confirming that you are both Stunkill, Casual Poster and M.J. Nice!!!

You really need to do a better job of fooling all of us here, Stunkill. LOL

61. K-7 - November 6, 2012

M. J.,

Do you realize that in post #50 I both addressed you as “Stunkill”, and referenced the argument on Revolution versus Hawaii-50′s ratings that I had last week with you while i was masquarading then as Casual Poster and Montreal Paul, and you responded directly to me, thus confirming that you are both Stunkill, Casual Poster and M.J. Nice!!!

You really need to do a better job of fooling all of us here, Stunkill. LOL.

62. K-7 - November 6, 2012

M. J.

Do you realize that in post #50 I both addressed you as “Stunkill”, and referenced the argument on Revolution versus Hawaii-50′s ratings that I had last week with you while i was masquarading then as Casual Poster and Montreal Paul, and you responded directly to me, thus confirming that you are both Stunkill, Casual Poster and M.J. Nice!!!

You really need to do a better job of fooling all of us here, Stunkill. LOL

63. K-7 - November 6, 2012

M. J.,

Do you realize that in post #50 I both addressed you as “Stunkill”, and referenced the argument on Revolution versus Hawaii-50′s ratings that I had last week with you while i was masquarading then as Casual Poster and Montreal Paul, and you responded directly to me, thus confirming that you are both Stunkill, Casual Poster and M.J. Nice!!

You really need to do a better job of fooling all of us here, Stunkill. LOL

64. K-7 - November 6, 2012

M.J.

Once again I masquarading as you proves you are in fact “Stunkill”, and by doing it in that manner it highlights the fact that it goes both ways.
I can play that game just as well as you.

You really need to do a better job of fooling all of us here, Stunkill. LOL

65. K-7 - November 6, 2012

Have no fear my fellow Trekmovie readers, I will continue as needed masquarding when I think a poster is infact one of Stunkills cast of characters.

66. K-7 - November 6, 2012

All,

#65 is not my post. This impostor has now gone completely bonkers.

67. K-7 - November 6, 2012

All,

Just to be clear, I am calling it a night, so if you see any further posts from me over the next 12 hours or so, they are not mine. Stunkill / M. J. is trying to completely hijack my identity — what a moron!

68. IVORY - November 6, 2012

Are the changelings taking over?
If i didnt know better I would say the site had gone off the reservation.

69. IVORY - November 6, 2012

Ladies and Gentlemen
The poster known as M.J. was merely a pawn whom i used for my amusement, to show what you thought you know you didnt know.
I was not he, I merely took advantage of your distrust of someone new.
It allowed me to manipulate the shadows to my advantage.
For the shadows are my friend.
From now on if he ever posts again you will not trust that he is who he says he is, you will think he is not who he claims just like the others who you think are not who they say.

K-7 thanks to your deception you to will soon be not to be believed, you dont know the shadows like I do, your deception has now shown your true colors as well.
The League of Shadows has now begun its Star TREK INTO DARKNESS

70. Ra's Al Ghul - November 6, 2012

Ivory will to become a pawn, as you see.

71. MJ (the original) - November 6, 2012

@69 @70

Hey loser, tell us something we don’t know.

72. K-7 - November 7, 2012

@71. LOL – Outstanding.

73. Banned - November 7, 2012

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74. David C. Roberson - November 7, 2012

It is times like these that I hate being a Star Trek fan.

75. Barack Obama - November 7, 2012

Party at my house everyone!

76. MJ (the original) - November 7, 2012

@73. Yes indeed, Bob.

I feel sorry for K-7. He exposed this scumbag, and now he is paying the price.

77. Romulus - November 7, 2012

MJ what if K-7 is also stunkill/Andy Rooney/M.J./Ra’s Al Ghul?
I mean he has admitted to impersanating.
Its sad that we just cant be sure about anyone.

You dont see this B.S. over at Trekweb, or Trektoday

78. Bill Clinton - November 7, 2012

Get in woooooo!!

79. Spockchick - November 7, 2012

Why is everyone so uptight, isnt it obvious its because there are no news stories coming out about the new movie. I bet that once the Star Trek Into the Darkness News Dam breaks, the shinanigins will stop.

If this is entertaining the people playing the game.(you know its many more people than ol stunkill) to keep the site getting viewers let them.

Of course my saying this will probably lump me in with that group.

80. Spockchick - November 7, 2012

Boborci
you should tell JJ, we need to release some news about Trek into Darkness STAT! As Cabin Fever is decending into the Trekmovie site

81. Banned - November 7, 2012

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82. Mitt Romney - November 7, 2012

@75 – Dude, can I come? Congrats!

83. Jimmy Carter - November 7, 2012

@82 / 75

I’m in lads!

84. Banned - November 7, 2012

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85. Banned - November 7, 2012

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86. Barack Obama - November 7, 2012

82: Yes, but leave the wife at home, ok.

83: Ok, come over, you bring the peanuts.

87. Nony - November 7, 2012

Wow, I didn’t know so many U.S. Presidents were Trekkies. Or TrekMovie readers. Or that Jimmy Carter is still alive, incidentally.

88. Banned - November 7, 2012

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89. Alex Rosenzweig - November 7, 2012

#47 and #81 – I think another factor has been that there just hasn’t been that much that the production folks on the movie have been willing to release, so the news blackout on the movie has tended to leave the focus on other Trek news for the moment.

Now, Bob here is saying that there’ll be more info released next week, and I’d not be at all surprised to see the movie get a lot more coverage once there’s information to talk about. :)

90. Rose (as in Keachick) - November 7, 2012

I don’t believe in any of you. However, I still respond to whoever’s name is in front of the post and will state my view, for better or worse.

@ Bob Orci – Some real STID news to come next week? I hope it is in the form of a good trailer. November 17 (next Saturday) will be exactly six months from release date. Right on schedule, eh, Bob?…:)

I guess we’ll soon see.

91. Craiger - November 7, 2012

But will Trekmovie report on that STID news next week? LOL.

92. Banned - November 7, 2012

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93. Banned - November 7, 2012

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94. DUNN - November 7, 2012

Is Cumberbatch Garth of Izar?

95. Banned - November 7, 2012

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96. Blowback - November 7, 2012

Is Gary Mitchell a villain?

97. lostrod - November 7, 2012

Is Cumberbatch Khan?

98. Blowback - November 7, 2012

Naturally I am referring to the Gary Mitchell in the movie. Not in the second pilot. I already know that answer

99. Banned - November 7, 2012

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100. Pah Wraith - November 7, 2012

Is Cumberbatch one of the 5 characters (‘Think along the lines of Harry Mudd or Trelane or Gary Mitchell or the Talosians or the Horta.’) confirmed some time ago as appearing in the movie?

And is there a cooperation between Cumberbatch’s and Weller’s character?

101. Banned - November 7, 2012

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102. Pah Wraith - November 7, 2012

OK, can’t wait to read that one then, I guess.

103. Craiger - November 7, 2012

Is Cumberbatch a Tribble, Doomsday Machine, Gorn or a Klingon?

104. Nony - November 7, 2012

The real boborci doesn’t write like that. He especially doesn’t say ‘lol’, leave out apostrophes, or repeatedly misspell ‘peek’ as ‘peak’.

105. cpelc - November 7, 2012

I tweeted boborci to confirm whether or not it was him.

106. Rose (as in Keachick) - November 7, 2012

#104 – Yes, the Bob Orci we have come to know over more than two years does say “lol”. In fact, he has done regularly, often being the only response to a particular post. If a person thinks a word is correct spelled a certain way, they will repeat that spelling until they find out or are told that the spelling is incorrect. Even the best spellers can mess up sometimes, especially when it comes to writing English.

However, with all these horrid imposters about, no one can be sure of anything…:(

@ Bob Orci – why won’t the long Q&A session you have just completed be posted here on Trekmovie as well?

107. Nony - November 7, 2012

106. I must have missed all those times, then. There are too many trolls around, I’m pretty much assuming nobody is who they say they are. D: (Even me?!)

108. Banned - November 7, 2012

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109. guest - November 7, 2012

Benedict must be playing Khan and I do hope he crops up in the trailer. Surely they have to give the game away in the trailer.

110. Banned - November 7, 2012

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111. Rose (as in Keachick) - November 7, 2012

Nony – Yes, I guess you did. I think the Bob Orci who has just posted on this thread is the genuine one. Anyway, I hope so.

No doubt a moron imposter will create some fake boborci bs…:(

OK – Ben – Cut the bs. I know who you are playing now and it ain’t Khan or Jimmy Savile.

112. Rose (as in Keachick) - November 7, 2012

At least I think I know who the villain is now. I can think of no reason why the person I have in mind could not be the villain of Star Trek into Darkness and one or two reasons why I think such a person could not cause trouble for Kirk, the Enterprise, Starfleet and the Federation. He managed to cause problems in the prime universe… What’s more, Benedict Cumberbatch could do this character great justice.

Now I need to find an old video…

Up until now, I had no idea who the villain might be, nor did I care. All the so-called “clues” that others latched onto did not mean anything, as in they could mean almost anything, everything. In fact, I do not believe we were given any clues at all by Bob Orci or anyone else.

113. Rose (as in Keachick) - November 7, 2012

Edit: I must proof-read. I normally do. “…such a person could not cause…” should read “…a person COULD CAUSE…”

114. Lostrod - November 7, 2012

Hmm.

Notice that two of us asked if BC was playing Mitchell and I asked if he was playing Khan.

Notice he did not say no to my question (#97):

“96 – NO
98 – Still no lol
97 – I can see you but I can’t hear”

Regards,

115. CPelc - November 7, 2012

That’s not bob. He tweeted me back and said he hasn’t been commenting and that the trekcore thing isn’t true.

116. Red Dead Ryan - November 7, 2012

#114.

Yup! Good going! You pretty much got Bob to confirm (however unintentionally) that the villain is Khan!

“I can see you but I can’t hear” is something that is generally said by those who know that others have figured out what they’ve been trying to keep secret!

117. Red Dead Ryan - November 7, 2012

#115.

Uh, okay. May I ask how you know Bob?

118. Rose (as in Keachick) - November 7, 2012

Surely, if you are on Twitter, you would be able to tweet anyone? However, getting an answer always may be something of an obstacle, especially if a lot of people are tweeting to the same person. I would think, though, if someone tweeted Bob telling him what is being said by a “boborci” here, then the real Bob Orci would reply, stating what is really happening. I hope so.

You know – I am fairly sure what has been happening here over the past three months is no coincidence. This has been engineered…

119. Gary S. - November 7, 2012

#118 engineered for what purpose?

120. Mr Chekov - November 8, 2012

My security scan shows it has a grade-one priority, Captain. Non belligerency confirmed. I suspect it is a courier of some kind.

121. Aurore - November 8, 2012

117. Red Dead Ryan – November 7, 2012
#115.
“Uh, okay. May I ask how you know Bob?”
______

You can go check for yourself, as I just did, @115 is telling you the truth.

122. Aurore - November 8, 2012

…….. I…. HAD….to make sure the Khan thing was not true….I hope you understand…..

:)

Let the speculation….Aaah….you know the rest….

123. Aurore - November 8, 2012

“‘I can see you but I can’t hear’ is something that is generally said by those who know that others have figured out what they’ve been trying to keep secret!”
_______

It could (also) have been a way to be purposefully vague in order to keep us guessing, though….had this been a post by Roberto Orci( which is not the case).

He’s done it before….no?

:)

124. Banned - November 8, 2012

Deleted by admin

125. Ra's Al Ghul - November 8, 2012

Red Dead Ryan , have you seriously never heard of Twitter? and following someone on twitter, and being able to comminunicate with them on twitter? HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHA
Get with the times ol boy.

126. Aurore - November 8, 2012

Red Dead Ryan.

In my posts, @121but most notably @122 and 123, I, personally, was just teasing you NOT mocking you……

I want you to know that.

127. Banned - November 8, 2012

Deleted by admin

128. Garak - November 8, 2012

My post disappeared. So I´m goigo to repeat. If Anthony was here, this would not be happening, boborci fake.

129. Steve Johnson - November 8, 2012

“#114.

Yup! Good going! You pretty much got Bob to confirm (however unintentionally) that the villain is Khan!

“I can see you but I can’t hear” is something that is generally said by those who know that others have figured out what they’ve been trying to keep secret!”

That could also just be a reference to the dialogue from Wrath of Khan. “Jim I can see you, but I can’t hear.”

Just saying.

130. ryesofthegeek - November 8, 2012

A bit off topic, but anyway – it looks like Battlestar Galactica Blood and Chrome will finally see the light of day. Blood and Chrome premieres on Machinima November 9, 2012. You can see the trailer here:

http://ryesofthegeek.wordpress.com/2012/11/08/battlestar-galactica-blood-and-chrome/

131. Aurore - November 8, 2012

127. Red Dead Ryan – November 8, 2012
“Yeah”
______

This situation almost makes me want you to be right about Khan. Almost.

:)

At any rate, let’s hope it was the real Roberto Orci who said that very soon, we would be talking about nothing other than a steady stream of Trek.

I wish to do it here, naturally.

132. Red Dead Ryan - November 8, 2012

#127 is NOT ME!

Anyway, I’ll take it that its the fake Bob Orci, and I jumped to conclusions.

With that said, I’m going to stop posting here. The site isn’t being monitored anymore, which allows imposters to run the asylum.

I’ll come back when or if Anthony does, or whenever someone decides to take it seriously. I’m done with the main threads.

Bye.

133. Cpelc - November 8, 2012

Yes. I make no claims to personally know bob but he did in fact take the time to answer me tweet question to him and essentially confirm that it has been an imposter on this thread at least. So don’t expect an interview with trekcore or think that the denials of villains are true.

On a related note this is the second time in a week that I’ve been fortunate enough to have someone answer my tweet. As I posted earlier Michael giacchino post a pic of sheet music this week on his twitter and when I asked him if it was from STID he responded “perhaps!” It can be found either thru his account or mine.

134. Aurore - November 8, 2012

“On a related note this is the second time in a week that I’ve been fortunate enough to have someone answer my tweet. As I posted earlier Michael giacchino post a pic of sheet music this week on his twitter and when I asked him if it was from STID he responded ‘perhaps!’
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Thanks for checking (about the “spoilers”) and sharing!

135. Rose (as in Keachick) - November 8, 2012

“That could also just be a reference to the dialogue from Wrath of Khan. “Jim I can see you, but I can’t hear.””

Who said that in the Wrath of Khan? I don’t recall ever hearing Khan refer to Kirk as “Jim”? I can recall, though, a similar piece of dialogue being spoken in another TOS Star Trek movie and also without the use of the word, “Jim”.

136. The Solution... - November 8, 2012

The solution, folks.. is to STOP POSTING COMMENTS. Stop visiting the site! The clicks will go down, and whoever owns this site will have no ad dollars coming in, and they will be forced to either provide the type of content that they did in the past, or the site will simply dry up.

137. Rose (as in Keachick) - November 8, 2012

I like visiting this site and I am not unhappy with the type of content being posted here. As I have been reminded, trekmovie has always posted articles about the latest renditions of Star Trek whatevers – eg latest blu-ray versions of TNG, books, novels, games, comics etc and of course, any new on the latest movie being made, if there is any.

I do wish the sockpuppeting/imposters would stop…

I see that a post in which a person asked me why I would think what has been going over the last three months was engineered has been deleted…LOL

138. Red Dead Ryan - November 8, 2012

Okay, I said I was going to stop posting here. I was frustrated. So I’ll change my mind for the time being.

General Chang, during the battle with the Enterprise and his cloaked Bird-of-Prey during the “Undiscovered Country”, said:

“I can see you, Kirk. Can you see me?”

139. Gary S. - November 8, 2012

That was my question, and I am still curious about why you think this has been engineered.
Not disagreeing, just curious about your thoughts on the matter .

140. Gary S. - November 8, 2012

#139 was directed at Rose.

141. RED DEAD RYANNE - November 9, 2012

Ok I lied again I am done posting on here, no wait I lied again I am still going to post on here. Oh well uhm uhh ummm uh
No I am done,

142. RED DEAD RYANNE - November 9, 2012

Ok never mind I lied again, I have another thing to post.
Do we know yet wo is the author for the novel Star Trek into Darkness,

143. Joshua J. Slone - November 11, 2012

I think I know what the reviewer means about something that would normally be distasteful. The reason he doesn’t go into more detail? It would be a pretty massive spoiler, and not easy to merely hint at in a subtle way.

144. Random Browncoat - November 11, 2012

@135 – I believe Carol Marcus said this when she was trying to confirm with Kirk whether he gave the order to take Genesis.

145. Rose (as in Keachick) - November 13, 2012

#144 – Yes, I think you are right. Bummer, if this means what I think it means…

146. KingDaniel - November 17, 2012

Another very good novel. It’s such a shame Trek novels don’t get the recognition they deserve (see: this thread). They’re a fantastic continuation of the prime universe. I’ve got books 2 and 3 pre-ordered!

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