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Star Trek Trailer Fuels New Speculation + Watch Into Darkness/TOS Mashup + New Villain Poll December 7, 2012

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Great Links,Star Trek Into Darkness,Viral Video/Mashup/Images , trackback

The new Star Trek Into Darkness trailer has sparked a lot of comments and speculation here and across the web. Some of that speculation has already morphed into the first mashup of the trailer. Some sees clues in wardrobe and even hairstyles. See below for a breakdown of some of the bigger recurring themes of the Star Trek Into Darkness Speculation Game around the web – and watch the new Gary Mitchell Mashup.


Trailer Sparks Gary Mitchell Speculation/Elizabeth Dehner Speculation (and Mashup)

The speculation that Benedict Cumberbatch plays Gary Mitchell as the villain in the new Star Trek movie has been persistent since he was first announced. Karl Urban also decided to fuel the fire by namedropping Mitchell in an interview of the summer, but that was later debunked by Roberto Orci. But that hasn’t stopped anything. And of course the new trailer showing Cumberbatch wearing Starfleet uniform has only given more fuel to the fire.

Cumberbatch is in Starfleet? Mitchell was in Starfleet – case closed!

Many other websites (though not citing actual sources or inside info) are pushing the Cumberbatch as Gary Mitchell speculation. For example speculates the memorial scene was for Mitchell, and the alien planet with orange vegetation is Delta Vega (which would have to be a different Delta Vega than the icy one we saw in Star Trek 2009). 

Another Delta Vega? How many are there?

In fact, the new trailer has even sparked its own Mitchell mashup, using footage from the second Star Trek pilot "Where No Man Has Gone Before." (done by YouTuber dwoodwoo).

In "Where No Man Has Gone Before" Lt. Cmdr. Mitchell is Helmsman of the USS Enterprise and best friend to Capt. James T Kirk. After passing through the galactic barrier he is transformed (along with Dr. Elizabeth Dehner). Together they both have super powers and in the case of Gary, he soon looks upon his crew as just puny humans to be crushed, forcing his friend Kirk to try to neutralize him. A new universe version of Gary has appeared in the Star Trek comics, and he was again dispatched by the new Kirk, but that hasn’t stopped the speculation.

McCoy takes down Mitchell in the comics – does he return in the movie?

Adding to this Mitchell speculation is Alice Eve’s appearance in the trailer. As noted by some other sites, including IGN, Eve is sporting a hair style very similar to Sally Kellerman’s Dr. Dehner from "Where No Man Has Gone Before." Some has seen this as ‘proof’ she is playing Dehner, but that is probably taking it a bit far. 

The hair makes the spoiler?

It is confirmed on the record (by Bob Orci) that Eve and Cumberbatch are playing characters from Star Trek’s canon, so Mitchell and Dehner could be possibilities. TrekMovie has not reported on Eve’s role except to report that she is a member of Starfleet (which is clear enough from the trailer).

But what about Khan? And Chapel? And Marcus?

But the other bit of big speculation is about Khan. TrekMovie (along with some other sites) had previously reported that Cumberbatch is playing Khan Noonien Singh. Soon after Simon Pegg said all the talk of Khan was "a myth," however so far TrekMovie has not posted a retraction or update on that original story. And with this new trailer, the Khan talk has hit a fever pitch. The super strength shown by Cumberbatch’s character is what you might expect from a genetic superman. And isn’t beating up Klingons to prove how strong you are a Star Trek trope? Remember how someone made a whole video compilation of Worf getting beat up to show the current threat?

If you beat up a Klingon you are Certified Baddass in Star Trek

But there is more in the new video for Team Khan. Many fans, including commenters here, have spotted a possible clue in the new trailer. More specifically noting the interesting parallel in the collars worn by Ricardo Montalban’s Khan in Star Trek II and Cumberbatch in Into Darkness. This was also picked up by Slashfilm, however they also point out this evidence is "by no means conclusive."

Collar a Khan clue?

But Slashfilm did note TrekMovie’s recent reveal that "Star Trek: Vengeance" was an alternative title for the film and how that might tie into Star Trek II, noting "Vengeance is a concept clearly reflected in the first teaser for the movie, leading many to focus on the idea that this film will be much more “dark” than other Trek projects. (And helping the Wrath of Khan speculation)."

One thing that has been picked up by a number of TrekMovie commenters is similarities between Spock’s trip through lava fields in the Into Darkness trailer and the final moments of the Genesis planet from Star Trek III. This too feeds into the Khan speculation because it was Khan (in the final moments of Star Trek II) who fired the Genesis device into a nebula to create the Genesis planet, which eventually broke up after spouting some lava (which Kirk used to help kill the Klingon Kruge in Star Trek III).

Alt universe Genesis planet also unstable?

And of course that isn’t the only thing spotted in the trailer, or more specifically the Japanese version with the extra bit at the end. Many sites caught the image of two hands between a transparent divide. As noted this site and others it was rather familiar. MTV says "It’s a clear reference, which seems like a curious choice for the first teaser, since everyone and their mother is assuming that Cumberbatch is playing some alternative universe version of Khan." While there is no definitive proof that the hand in the black sleeve is that of Kirk, Chris Pine fans (including the followers and contributors to The Chris Pine Hand Porn Spectacular Tumblr) are convinced those are the hands of their Captain Fine.

Homage much?

As for Eve, wearing a blue uniform seems to have tamped down speculation she could be Janice Rand, but other contenders of Dr. Carol Marcus and Nurse Christine Chapel are still getting a lot of comments amongst the Trekkies.

Is Eve (C) screaming as Marcus (L) or Chapel (R)?

And of course these things are all just tips of the speculation iceberg. Possibilities for Cumberbatch also include Gary Seven, Garth of Izar, Joachim (Khan’s right hand man in Star Trek II), and beyond. A current poll at Wired has Khan in the lead with 37% with Mitchell in second with 28% with Charlie X in third at 4%.

POLL: Who is Benedict?

You have seen the poster and the trailer and the Japanese Trailer. So it is time again to weigh in and guess the villain…

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1. OtherGuy - December 7, 2012

Its the X-Man.

Of course it is. It’s derivitive.

2. Joy Dean - December 7, 2012

Re: the two hands on the panel scene in the trailer. Couldn’t it be Pike getting irradiated as he did in the original timeline? Only this time he dies (hence the memorial service)?

3. Steve - December 7, 2012

I don’t think it could be Khan. Plus how could he have been affected by the changes in the timeline. He was in cryogenic sleep from 1996; well before the events of the first movie, so he could not be an alternate version of Khan. I don’t know who it could be, too much spin lol. We’ll just have to wait I guess

4. Brian GRei - December 7, 2012

The more I read up on Garth, the more I think it’s him. Apparently he was part of a battle that kept the federation together… Sounds probable that it might have something to do with the new movie. Either him, or Gary Mitchell. I think that haircut is too closely similar to be a coincidence.

5. SherlockFangirl - December 7, 2012

Kinda hard for me to vote in the poll if it’s been closed after 18 votes…

6. Paul - December 7, 2012

I think Peter Weller as Khan would make things interesting.

7. SherlockFangirl - December 7, 2012

Never mind.

8. Vultan - December 7, 2012

Eve is playing Fay Wray.

9. Kenneth.Of.Borg - December 7, 2012

Did Alice Eve’s dentist just tell her to open wide or what?

10. Snugglepuff - December 7, 2012

I’m just gonna take a wild stab in the dark that the Q or the Borg are going to make an apperence some time throughout the movie =D

11. John Tenuto - December 7, 2012

My guess is Khan and Carol Marcus for these reasons:

1) Hollywood usually introduces the big villain of a franchise in the second film. Khan is the big villain of the Star Trek movie franchise.

2) In an interview with Trekmovie, Roberto Orci said the comics are canon. If they are, would Bad Robot really allow Gary Mitchell to be introduced in the comics first if they are canon? That would be unusual.

3) Also, the original title of The Wrath of Khan was The Vengeance of Khan.

4) The original group of actors for the Cumberbatch role that were rumored were mostly Hispanic like Ricardo Montalban

5) Yet, Bad Robot is smart enough not to try and duplicate Ricardo Montalban’s uniqueness with an actor who would just imitate him

6) The extra footage in the Japanese trailer basically cinches there is a TWOK homage. That is a Vulcan, most like Spock, making the Vulcan salute. There is not going to be a TWOK homage in a Gary Mitchell movie.

7) Didn’t one of the filmmakers say that they wanted to end the first movie with a tag with the Botany Bay after the credits?

While I wouldn’t bet “real money” as McCoy would say that it is Khan, I think that it is. It could be Gary Mitchell, Garth of Izar, or a new character. I am confident only that Cumberbatch is not the Mugatu or a Gorn.


12. Paul - December 7, 2012

Ok I got it…Weller is Khan, Benedict is Gary Seven.

13. Kev-1 - December 7, 2012

The characters in this version have been changed, so it’s hard to speculate. No evidence of Mitchell’s godlike powers in that trailer. My guess is the fans have thought out the plot in far more detail than the creators.

14. Gilberto - December 7, 2012

By Pascale’s sound of it… It’s Khan.

15. Paul - December 7, 2012

Actually I’m hoping that the Borg do NOT make an entrance into this movie. It would be interesting no doubt.

16. Loken - December 7, 2012

Well, I know it is Khan, but it is funny because I have never heard Garth of Izar’s name come so much in a Trek conversation EVER.

Which is good for this…..

17. Chain of Command - December 7, 2012

I hope the villain is Gary Mitchell. It would be an interesting character to bring back and do on a larger scale. I just hope that the villain is truly menacing.

Khan, as portrayed by Montalban, definitely set the standard pretty high for Star Trek villains. Every film since Star Trek II has tried to have a villain of the same mold and has largely failed.

I am “OK” if they decide(d) to go with “Khan” as the villain, but I think, if that is the route that was taken, it’s kind of a letdown. There are villains in the original canon of “Trek” that could be re-imagined and translate well to the big screen if done correctly. Gary Mitchell, as a character that existed from the second pilot, would be a great character to introduce in the new film.

I just hope that the character has some depth and “reason” for doing what he does. A black hat villain is not a worthy adversary if he does not have some motivation behind his actions. He must be three dimensional as well as existing to help the main characters grow.

I don’t believe you’re going to see Captain Garth or Gary Seven or anyone else. Gary Seven was not a villain, and Garth is way to obscure a choice. My money is on Gary Mitchell or Khan (And I’m hoping for Mitchell).

18. LukasKetner - December 7, 2012

Without the crazy Mitchell god-eyes, and with the extent of superhuman ability I’m seeing, I think there’s a very good chance that we could be seeing Khan. I’m actually kinda hoping for it now.

19. Romulus - December 7, 2012

Trekmovie fans will never get the award for “original thinking”

20. MikeTen - December 7, 2012

I was guessing Weller was Khan, Benedict is Juachim. I would explain the return to Earth and vengence. Maybe the Klingons found the Botany Bay and unfroze them on a Klingon planet.

21. Mary Gitchell - December 7, 2012

@3: That 1996 reference from SpaceSeed and TWOK is outdated. There simply was no Khan ruling two-thirds of the Earth in the 90s. Either Star Trek represents an alternate future or they finally come up with new dates! It’s 2092-2096…as it has always been in the German dubbed version of the TV episode.

It was only the shortsightedness of the 60s and 70s to put events like those 20-30 years into the future. They simply didn’t think about people still watching those shows 40 years into the future! That’s why Gerry Anderson called that Moonbase Alpha show “Space 1999″… The year 2000 was very popular with past SciFi writers. But then there were no flying cars, no inflatable pizza…

There is no way around moving those dates further into the future! The Eugenic Wars simply haven’t happened yet…

22. Scooter - December 7, 2012

The collar is not a Khan clue. It appears “Mitchell” is wearing a robe/cloak that the Klingons wore in the ’09 outtakes. Perhaps a disguise to gain access to the Klingon facility where he kicks butt. Just a guess.

23. - December 7, 2012

I think most of us would really like for it not to be Khan.

But i’m not sure if it’s not.

Look on the bright side. Somewhere in the next four years we might get a star trek movie that is not about some angry bad guy seeking vengeance.

But who knows, maybe we will get another one of those too.

24. Dunsel Report - December 7, 2012

Poor Joachim removed his name from the “Wrath of Khan” actor credits. I’m not sure the studio would waste Benedict Cumberbatch on him. And they probably want a love interest to throw off more heat than the Dr. Dehner, the “walking freezer unit.”

25. section9 - December 7, 2012

I’m thinking it’s Vincent from Cowboy Bebop: “Knockin’ on Heaven’s Door”. That’s where I think they went to get the plot for the movie. I can smell it a mile away.

Cumberbatch’s character might play Mitchell, but he’ll be Vincent from the movie, with a touch of Mad Pierrot from Session 20, “Pierrot Le Fou”.

Pine plays Spike Spiegel playing Kirk.

That’s where I think this is going.

26. Hat Rick - December 7, 2012

Awesome article, as usual. Whets our appetite, as well as being an apt(era) discussion of the state of Trek movie discussion at this point. (Whatever happened to that Aptera, anyway?)

Most importantly, I voted for Gary Mitchell because he was first on the list.

Okay, not very scientific. I admit it.

P.S.: It’s interesting that Anthony says that “TrekMovie” has not retracted the Khan prediction, as in fact he IS TrekMovie as far as I know. It’s sort of like my saying that “Hat Rick” has not retracted his criticism of President Obama’s NASA vision. Which, by the way, he hasn’t.

P.S.S.: By the way, I love how this is playing out. I want there to be more mystery, actually. So, I am looking forward to JJ’s cancellation of the December 14 9-minute preview just so we Trek fanboys may be invited to speculate all the more fanboyly.

P.S.S.S.: Still want more Porthos in the movie.

27. I am not Herbert - December 7, 2012

Nice work, Anthony!! very timely! =)

28. Lt.LanaShelby - December 7, 2012

Using intelligence from Spock Prime, Section 31 has been exploiting assets such as Laudru and now the Crew of the Botany Bay. Engineered humans make excellent operatives, until their genetically engineered superior intellects and egos drive them to do what they were designed to do. Conquer and rule the earth.

29. Richard - December 7, 2012

Anthony you spelt Joachim wrong in the article and the poll.

30. I am not Herbert - December 7, 2012

…yep, it’s Gareth “Gary” Mitchell… ;-)

…and Weller is his father… older and wiser, who talks him down from destroying the world… ;-)

31. ScottC - December 7, 2012

I thi I its Joachim, it might have been Khan if Benicio Del Toro was cast, but I think they reworked the script when Cumberpatch was signed.

32. BRF - December 7, 2012

It’ll be Khan but he’ll be so reimagined it won’t be Khan. Just like this is Star Trek but so reimagined that it’s not (quite) Star Trek.

Someone else in a previous post suggested Khan would here be a sort of “blowback” to some experiment or program of Starfleets. Somehow that sounds right and might allow for some thinly veiled topical commentary. (Which would be very Star Trek.)

I have a sudden flash of inspiration that Khan here will be a sort of symbol for the Taliban, that as the U.S. developed, encouraged, and then ignored the mujahideen in Afghanistan in the ’80s, only to have to deal with the Taliban in the 2000s, so will Starfleet have developed some sort of engineered being(s), then ignored or betrayed him/them, and now have to deal with it.

(I am not trying to make a political argument here, just indulging an idea of how the film might do so.)

33. I am not Herbert - December 7, 2012

…but Khan WAS the first choice, until they couldn’t get anyone who was a big enough chump to take the role… then they re-scrambled… with some Khan elements left in… including his wardrobe… and the death of Spock scene… =(

34. ScottC - December 7, 2012

@20: I agree, they move the date of the Eugenics Wars which explains the poster – Joachim looking at a Eugenics ravaged London,

35. I am not Herbert - December 7, 2012

I can totally sympathize with ZQ if he wanted to get killed-off… =(

and respect him for doing so (if he did)… ;-)

36. Mary Gitchell - December 7, 2012

At this point, it doesn’t really matter of it’s Khan or Mitchell anymore. What I consider much more pivotal is that this movies turns out to be the mother of all TWOK reboots and thus, finally the LAST one of its kind for a VERY long time…

Don’t get me wrong: TWOK is one of the greatest, if not THE greatest Trek movies yet, and while I do understand writers / producers want to recreate something like it in order to please both fans and general audience, this quest for outkhaning TWOK has to stop!

This is the THIRD attempt in a row that tries to emulate the concept of a disgruntled foe to go on a blaze of vengeance… Shinzon, Nero and now Cumby, be it Khan or Mitchell or even Garth of Izar, and so far, each time, the villain’s motives have become more obscure…from a shoehorned Picard clone to a timetraveling madman who decides to blow up planets because his world was destroyed by a natural catastrophy…I truly hope this one will be better motivated and finally put an end to those futile attempts at xeroxing TWOK…

BOBORCI, if you’re still listening. If there is a third one (and you’ll be in charge), here is a negative checklist of things that shouldn’t be part of it…

1. Don’t send your villain on a blaze of revenge, vengeance, retribution, retaliation, vendetta or whatsoever… It has been done to death by now…namely 2, 10, 11 and clearly 12.

2. Don’t let the Enterprise save Earth once again… It’s been done…1, 4, 8, 10, 11 and most likely 12.

3. If possible, skip the entire “bad guy” concept. Try to find a way to do without “villains”…V’Ger or the Whale Probe were NOT villains but worked effectively to set up a threat.

4. And if you must employ another classic villain, give him some real, on-topic motives: religious fundamentalism, natural resources, racism, you name it…Make him relevant again. Not just revenge, revenge, revenge…gone there, been there, got the T-shirt…

5. If you have to copy (or at least borrow from) yet another major blockbuster franchise, don’t let it be any comic book adaptation. TDK and TDKR are great movies for what they are but there are others that would fit a whole lot better: especially AVATAR! Now, that is a movie that really explores strange new worlds, seeks out new life and new civilisations! Why pulling a “Joker” up your sleeve when you could easily visit such a marvellous world as Pandora? While the plot of this one may be derivated from Pocahontas it DOES employ topical issues such as environmentalism, capitalism etc…

37. DSquires1119 - December 7, 2012

I’ve been on the Khan bandwagon for a long time, but after watching the trailer I’m really having doubts that it is Khan or Mitchell.

#1. If we assume the narrator on the trailer is the true voice of the villain, then neither Khan nor Mitchell should have a British accent. That could overlooked if these were “re-imagined” characters, but they are not. They are the same characters but in an alternate universe. Just Like Karl Urban and Simon Pegg are not using their native accents, I would expect Cumby to use an appropriate accent.

#2. It seems like the target for the vengeance is star fleet itself. Gary Mitchell would have his beef personally with Kirk, and Khan (before he was marooned on Ceti Alpha 5 for 20 years) didn’t want revenge, he just wanted to rule. So if it is Khan, then something has happened between the time he was awakened and the time of the movie to make him mad. (We do know however that the character has the capacity to be vengeful if suitably motivated).

So I am really starting to wonder if it is someone else. Maybe someone we know about but has never appeared on an episode. Bob Orci said the villain is canon, but that doesn’t mean he was ever on an episode. Maybe he was just mentioned at some point.

38. dmduncan - December 7, 2012

If it’s Mitchell, I think it’s a mistake to assume the movie is going to do exactly as the comic did.

I think the 9 minutes is going to be an action packed mini movie complete in itself, having a beginning, middle, and end. It’s going to be an episode compressed into 9 minutes which will intro the character, the problem, and the resolution, which resolution will explode into a new problem in the movie proper.

Though I don’t know who the character is, try as I might, I CANNOT see that character as Khan. I can just barely see him as Joaquim if I ignore certain pieces of evidence, but not Khan. He is as white a man as ever there was, and he’s Starfleet, so if that is Khan, then JJ is toying with us in a way that I do not find interesting, all to preserve a secrecy of questionable value.

Also, TWOK reference in this trailer is too blatant. It smacks of misdirection from a crew of people who love remixing. It’s just too classic-formula to be a legit Khan reference, otherwise this film WILL be a reboot of TWOK. But it won’t be that if this film just borrows and remixes elements from TWOK, which I think is what is happening.

I think they carefully chose the hands on the glass clip specifically to generate speculation of Khan. Which is why I don’t trust the impression it creates. Seeing a TWOK reference makes me think anything BUT TWOK when coming from these guys.

But I detect NO clear impression in the trailer specifically of Gary Mitchell, really, or of any other canon character, which makes me think this guy could be someone new. Either that or they are cutting the trailer very closely to obfuscate his identity.

39. Anthony Pascale - December 7, 2012

Joachim fixed

40. Colin - December 7, 2012

I’m honestly hoping it is Section 31…They stage an attack on Earth to start a war against the Klingons and use either Khan or Mitchell as a super-weapon.

I think that would make for a logical post 9-11 storyline

I know section 31 is far far far far far far from TOS canon…as far as can be actually, but they’re such an interesting..villain if you can even call them that and I would definately love to see more.

41. Walt Kozlowski - December 7, 2012

Cumberbatch says,”you think your world is safe…” Wouldn’t that make him not of your world? So he is either an alien or a time-traveler? Nah, maybe he is just a psycho!

42. sisko - December 7, 2012

Does no one remember Space Seed and how non-vengeful Khan was there? And why are so many people so hell bent on every Star Trek II having Khan?

43. Hat Rick - December 7, 2012

@DSquires1119 (37), it’s the little dude from the Fesarius. Think about it: We all thought we’d be safe because he fell for the Corbomite maneuver. We all thought that since he was Ron Howard’s bro and also appeared in one of those Airplane movies, he was real nice and just a cute widdle alien.

But in fact, how the hell did someone like him get a ginormous starship the size of Maryland had he not actually been a ruthless little scumbag? Kinda like Mini-Me, but much cuter and scarier.

Okay, so my vote’s for the guy from Corbomite.

That is all.

44. Chingatchkook - December 7, 2012

Khan, Gary Mitchell….who cares.
Alice Eve is in this movie.
And she….looks…awesome.
Well done JJ, you have casted well, Sir.
I salute you.

45. Dee - lvs moon' surface - December 7, 2012

I’m not convinced about anything … so I I have not voted!

:-) ;-)

46. ScottC - December 7, 2012

Couldn’t the threat from within Star Fleet be Weller’s character, who is maybe a descendant of his character from the series Enterprise? And he finds out the Klingons have the crew of the Botany Bay and he “recruits” them to help his cause?

47. sean - December 7, 2012

Pegg said it wasn’t Khan, and he’s not the sort to directly lie just to keep a secret. The villain might be Khan-adjacent, though.

48. Aix - December 7, 2012

I read another speculation wherin the Guardian of Forever is involved. That would actually be interesting, IMO.

49. Mary Gitchell - December 7, 2012

@37 “Bob Orci said the villain is canon, but that doesn’t mean he was ever on an episode. Maybe he was just mentioned at some point.”

Admiral Archer’s prize beagle is a shapeshifting Tribble?

50. Aix - December 7, 2012

I bow to the genius of JJ for this marketing strategy! I hope they keep it secret until it premieres.

51. Red Dead Ryan - December 7, 2012

Well, I will admit its looking more and more like Gary Mitchell. But, I’m still not totally sure. It could still be Khan.

But I wouldn’t put it past these guys to include easter eggs which recall various TOS episodes to throw us off the trail……which leads to an all-new, never before seen bad guy. Even then, the trailer indicates that he is returning, which in of itself suggests that it is a villain we have seen before in the comics. The upcoming “Countdown” series.

So its possible that the supposed “Where No Man Has Gone Before” and “Space Seed”/”The Wrath Of Khan” references are nothing more than additional flavoring to an otherwise original plot cooked up by Bob Orci and co.

52. George Zip - December 7, 2012

I’ll keep saying it; though TNG/Picard had many a nemesis (Q, Borg, Duras family, etc.), Kirk never had a nemesis. He had bad guys he dealt with; TOS was more episodic. If anything, Kirk’s nemesis was forced retirement (which was visited in I, II, and VI. Maybe V).

The new Trek is more of an action series, if I had to categorize it; but it’s adapting to the times. TOS did that. TOS did that when it made the jump to the big screen. TNG did it over the course of the series; it’s what good s/f does. Adapts a current topic into a usable future, per se. (I’m always drawn to episodes like “Let that be your last battlefield” from TOS and the Tuvix episode from VOY when I talk about this.)

But force-fitting a nemesis into each movie gets *boring*, mentally, if not visually. I guess that’s what has to be done, though, in the modern cinema landscape to put butts in theater seats.

Imagine if ST2 would have brought bang Kang. Or Kor. Or brought the Trek universe into a new Romulan War. Or back into the Mirror universe.

I agree with the above (#36) and hope that we at least see a new bad guy — if not a true villain — be it Garth or whomever. (And I still think Cumberbatch would have made an excellent Gary Seven, though how to shoehorn something like that into a 2012 movie… though they did it with MiB3, didn’t they?)

I’ll keep enjoying the Orci-endorsed comics, and wait patiently for the Abramsverse novels. Until then, I’ll speculate on my own, write my own little story synopses, and seek out TOS-era and post-TMP/pre-TWOK era novels.

And I *still* say this: for the next movie — whatever it is — while filming, do up some fake stills. Quinto in a goatee. Quinto with the headgear and Urban operating him by remote control. A shot of the Balok puppet on the 1701 screen. A picture of Clint Howard *anywhere* on the set.

And leak that the next big co-star, whomever it is, is playing a Horta. And his only comment to the press is, NO KILL I.

53. cugel the clever - December 7, 2012


I like your theory that the Klingons found the Botany Bay, thawed Khan, and found they had more on their hands than they could deal with, sort of like the augments episode on Enterprise (which was one of the best Enterprise eps IMHO). Makes sense that Khan would return to Earth seeking vengeance given that he was exiled.

Also, there’s no reason that Elizabeth Dehner couldn’t be in the movie as even if Khan (and not Mitchell) is the villain. Remember that this is a new timeline, so the backstories of Dehner, Mitchell, Khan, etc may be completely different than in the prime universe.

54. Jannek - December 7, 2012

@ 11: sounds plausible

55. George Zip - December 7, 2012


Would be pretty cool if the first 9 minutes were an encapsulated version of the new revisionist comic of “Where No Man Has Gone Before”.

And correct me if I’m wrong, didn’t Orci tell us way way back when that the issue we speak of included a character we would see in the next movie? And we all assumed it wouldn’t be Mitchell because he was “killed” in the issue?

56. George Zip - December 7, 2012

And maybe the whole reason the ENTERPRISE is “called home” is because of the damage sustained to the ship crossing the barrier…

57. Exverlobter - December 7, 2012

It’s Mitchell.
Benedict Cumberbatch is not muscular enough to play Khan!

58. Mary Gitchell - December 7, 2012

#55: …But “buried” in a torpedo shortly after…only to be found by the Klingons…The guy could fake his death even on TOS’s WNMHGB…

59. George Zip - December 7, 2012

#11 – 7) Didn’t one of the filmmakers say that they wanted to end the first movie with a tag with the Botany Bay after the credits?

Yeah, I believe that was in the audio commentary; they wanted that to be the bonus/stinger of ST09; the credits would end, the music would get a little ominous, we’d see something floating through space.

In my mind, I see it rolling slowly; you can’t quite see what it is, but we know the shape. Camera angle changes and we see a D-7 Battlecruiser approaching it; a searchlight hits it (I know, but it’s a good visual) and the light comes across the name SS BOTANY BAY on the side. Then the music crescendos, the screen goes dark, and we’re left with a four-year wait to see what comes next.

60. Magic_Al - December 7, 2012

^26. I was also intrigued by the characterization of what TrekMovie has or hasn’t said. It’s curiously reminiscent of the phrasing one hears during TV election night coverage, when networks are withholding exit poll data until polls close and in the meantime putting on a face that either candidate could win.

61. Aix - December 7, 2012

About Cumberbatch being canon article:

67. boborci – July 14, 2012
correction. i lied once.

Here’s to an original character!

62. Capt. Crash - December 7, 2012

I want to think its Gary Mitchell or even Khan……but I honestly think it may be Garth.
Here is an excerpt from Memory Alpha’s site on Garth ( that provide clues that coincide with the summary of the film;

“Garth of Izar was a decorated, highly-regarded officer in the Federation Starfleet, who rose to rank of Fleet Captain in the course of his service through the mid-23rd century. His career dissolved in a dramatic descent into madness and attempted genocide, resulting in [being] criminally insane.”

“Garth emerged from Starfleet Academy to make good on his promise as a star pupil. Among contemporaries like Captains Pike and Garrovick, Garth became known as an eminent explorer, with a distinguished record for charting new worlds.”

“His legacy was tarnished following the accident that left him badly maimed. The gentle beings of Antos IV nursed him in his darkest hour, and gifted him with their technique of cellular metamorphosis to repair his mangled body. In gratitude, he “offered them the galaxy…”

“Garth’s best chance to escape his exile came as the USS Enterprise (NCC-1701) entered orbit around Elba II for the delivery of revolutionary new medicines. Garth greeted Captain James T. Kirk and his First officer Spock ….. The form of Kirk suited his long awaited moment of escape, and Garth contacted the Enterprise, asking to be beamed aboard. Chief engineer Scott, at the conn, answered the request with a chess-code phrase, “Queen to Queen’s level three”, dashing Garth’s hope for a prompt escape. Garth raged that his great escape had been so easily countered. Garth insisted he would “shatter every bone in Captain Kirk’s body” to gain control of the Enterprise.”

“Garth’s final gambit, once again assuming Kirk’s visage in the hopes of confusing his First officer, was unable to prevent Spock’s eventual identification of his true Captain.”

63. Captain Frasier Crane - December 7, 2012

Okay this is my last comment on this. All these people saying Gary Mitchell. Is it me or did we all not watch the same damn trailer. How the Hell can you say its Gary Mitchell?You all must be watching the trailer from an alternate reality because nothing in that trailer points to Gary Mitchell. Nothing!!! I can’t believe the nonsense on this blog. Gary Mitchell had God Like Powers. Why the hell would be jump through a window when he could wave his hands and shatter the glass?

From the look and tone of the movie I believe its Khan. How the hell do you know the memorial service is for Mitchell? They don’t have fly overs for Lt. Commanders in Starfleet. They shot Spock out in a Torpedo so they are going to do a fly over for Mitchell? Give me a break. There is no way its Mitchell. Its Khan people. He did not say he wanted to get back Jim Kirk. He wanted humanity. He seemed to hate the Earth and not one dude. He talked like a man who had seen humanity at its worse. he called the peace on Earth an illusion. I believe that this whole thing is fall out from what happened in the first film.

I gurantee you the Planet scene is completely unrelated. When did Trek fans and these sci fi analysts become so stupid?

I think Alice Eve is Dehner and that is based on what I read in the IDW Star Trek Comic. I suspect that since its a new timeline people may be shifted around. Hey in the first film Pike was the catalyst for Kirk joining the fleet. Pike and Kirk did not have a close relationship in the Prime Universe. Need I go on? Spock and Uhura in Love? Don’t you morons get it?

If you are a real trekkie then you know better. A new timeline means new outcomes and maybe relationships that never happened. When Nero made the incrusion, he altered the flow of events, JJ said in an interview that Nero even had an impact on the technology. He destroyed a major player in the Federation! A founding world was wiped out you seriously think there won’t be consequences in that timeline for that?

I believe that another ship or some arm of the Fleet found the Botany Bay and I believe that Khans appearance and all of that will be explained.
I stand my ground until proven otherwise. Khans heritage was implied but never explcit. He could have been a Asian British Dude for all we know.

I tried not to say anything but that Gary Mitchell theory is nonsense. Mitchell would have been pissed with Kirk and pissed with his friend.
There are no flyovers for Lt Commanders. That is for top brass. Its Khan and it may piss off a lot of people but so what. I love this new Trek.

When Ron Moore took over BSG he made it legendary. Imagine if George Lucas had turned over Star Wars to someone else instead of having an ego trip? Of course now we will see. I appreciate this new vision and these new ideals. I love the direction this thing is headed. I am grateful to be alive to see it. If its Mitchell I will eat a Klingon Mud pie but I doubt it. I seriously doubt it and If I am right I will be back on here to gloat.

64. gingerly - December 7, 2012

*looks at the results of the poll*

And this is why you guys aren’t movie writers, THANK GOD!

65. George Zip - December 7, 2012

Stumbled across this when looking to see if someone in fandom had “filmed” that ending I mentioned in #59; hadn’t seen before:

66. Captain Frasier Crane - December 7, 2012

Garth is my second guess. Plausible but I doubt it….

67. KF - December 7, 2012

When I watched the trailer, Kirk definately recognized Cumberbatch’s character. An unusual theory I read that this was neither Khan nor Mitchell, but rather an embittered Sam Kirk. There is a reference to ‘family’ in the teaser trailer-it could be litereral, symbolic, or perhaps both. As we know, JJ loves surprises and twists.

68. Walt Kozlowski - December 7, 2012

We forgot about this villain!

69. Punkspocker - December 7, 2012

Mitchell or newbie, that’s my guess

70. Jack Ryan - December 7, 2012

@67. How much you want to bet that those clips had nothing to do with each other? I gurantee you in the final cut that that is not what they are looking at? Dude it was a little eye candy to get us riled up

There is a lot more to this movie than people think.

That evil @BobORCI is somewhere laughing with this Starfleet Pajamas on with a cup of Earl Grey Tea laughing as he makes it rain with his screen writer checks at the hottest strip club in LA.

71. Greg2600 - December 7, 2012

Frankly if you’re going to rip off a Samuel Peeples Trek script, would rather have it be TAS “Beyond the Farthest Star.” Sure would look good in CGI.

72. AyanEva - December 7, 2012

I’m still going with Mitchell but I’m not as certain as I was. I’m mostly sticking with that answer because the other options all have things that work against them too so I might as well just stick with my original guess.

My second choice is Garth of Izar. On the surface, Khan seems like the best guess but there are too many things that work against that theory for me to get on board with it. I could see Benedict’s character being another non-Khan augment or something though.

73. Peter Loader - December 7, 2012

The real villain hasn’t been seen yet. Cumby’s a bad ass for sure. My guess, he’s helping Kirk up to a point for his own benefit, until he gets what he wants out of the deal… vengeance… but Kirk stands in his way.

74. Cygnus-X1 - December 7, 2012

Alice Eve really didn’t seem to have her heart in that scream shown in the trailer. Her eyes and the rest of her face didn’t appear to be feeling what her voice was expressing.

75. PJays - December 7, 2012

I will be honest, I have no idea who it could be. However, it doesn’t have to be a main TOS villian. How about a minor one? I was thinking Joaquin from Space Seed (not Joachim from ST2). He is Khan’s right hand man. See the link….

Khan almost died in the beginning of Space Seed but Kirk & crew saved him. If the Klingons found him, maybe he died & Joaquin took over & went looking for vengeance.

Benedict Cumberbatch would fit the look. As for the Starfleet uniform, Khan did wear one in the original series. We do know from the first movie how JJ & company like to throw in Easter eggs for fans.

I just thought I would join the fun of guessing. Can’t wait for the film!!!

76. I am not Herbert - December 7, 2012

but she looks good… ;-)

77. matlock - December 7, 2012

i vote finnegin from shore leave

78. Drunk Garak - December 7, 2012

I think it’s most likely Khan, for better or worse. But one thing I don’t understand is some folks reasoning that they would bring Khan back because he’s an iconic character and well known, and thus a boon for marketing the film.

He’s well known among Trek and sci-fi fans, not among the general moving-going public. I guarantee that if you ask a random sampling of people on the street what characters they know from Star Trek they’ll probably say “Kirk, Spock, um, the bald guy, that borg chick.” And if you ask what they remember about Trek films from the 80s, they’d probably have never watched Trek before or vaguely remember something about “that one with the whales.”

Trust me, non-nerds don’t have a clue who Khan is. The return of Khan isn’t instant marketing buzz for anyone but Trekkies.

79. Eric D - December 7, 2012

I voted other, because I think he’s but a minion of the new Gene Roddenberry Zombie Empire about to wreak havoc on the FED.

@76, yes she does!

80. NCC-73515 - December 7, 2012

Sam Kirk, young Nero, the Borg Queen’s newest idea… the possibilities are endless XD

81. DX7 - December 7, 2012

Look at what all this speculation has done to Norman.

82. njdss4 - December 7, 2012

It’s definitely looking like Khan. Vengeance and family are the key points.

How can it be Mitchell if he’s talking about family? As far as we know, he doesn’t have any.

Khan considered the other augments his family, and vengeance would be for being forced to leave Earth. The Klingons most likely found the Botany Bay and captured its crew. Khan (plus maybe other augments) escape and head for Earth, maybe in a stolen Bird of Prey that can cloak, which would be a huge advantage.

Alice Eve might be playing an augment that infiltrates the Enterprise crew, or possibly Carol Marcus. No sense in her playing Dehner if this isn’t about Mitchell.

83. Daniel Broadway - December 7, 2012

It doesn’t matter who he is. What matters is his plan.

84. NCC-73515 - December 7, 2012

The WoK trailer spoke about “Beyond the darkness…”
But Eve must be Dehner.

85. ajdczar - December 7, 2012

Okay, here goes:

1) Klingons find the cryo ship first; Kahn does not survive but the rest overpower the Klingons.
2) Dehner and Mitchell may both be on the ship because, well, they WERE on the ship and unless they are placed in a situation where their ESP abilities have been enhanced, they are just crewmembers.
3) While the genetically augmented do not have a genesis device, they are probably pretty annoyed about being jettisoned into space after trying to take over the planet. So naturally, they come back with a vengeance.
4) All this talk about Kirk’s character being tested, I would guess that the scene with glass between Kirk and Spock indicates Kirk makes the ultimate sacrifice.
5) Since Kirk has no Katra, his crew saves him.
6) End credits have the bridge crew quietly eating at a Shwarama’s.

I hope I guessed wrong on all of these…except maybe #6 cause that was a great scene.

86. Jonbocs - December 7, 2012

I think the rippled collar on Cumberbatches Hoodie Trench coat looks more like the rippled collar on the TWOK away team jackets, Kirk and crew have on when they beam aboard Regula 1

87. Aurore - December 7, 2012

“There are amazing villains throughout the Star Trek universe, as well as new villains as we did in the last film. There are a lot of directions we can go in the film and in this particular case we chose to do something that would be original and unique and different and again on paper I think we made the right choice.”

Bryan Burk ( producer )

….I hope you made the right choice….

P.S. : Nice picture of Mr. Cumberbatch above….’LOVE… his ears.


88. The Observer - December 7, 2012

Ah, the villain that simply refuses to be put to bed.

No matter how many fans try to tuck him in. ;-)

89. Jonbocs - December 7, 2012

63 I think you need to go back and re watch both space seed and TWOK, because its not just implied, his background was stated.
heck there was even a painting of him from the 90s. And he spoke about his time as ruler of 3/4 of earth and being a prince when Chekov and Terrel stumble across Khans encampment on ceti Alpha

“From 1992 to 1996, Khan was absolute ruler of more than one-quarter of Earth’s population, including regions of Asia and the Middle East. Considered “the best of tyrants”, he severely curtailed the freedoms of his subjects, but his reign was an exception to similar circumstances in Earth history – lacking massacres or internal war. ”

“On Earth…two hundred years ago…I was a prince. With power over millions!” Khan in star trek II

90. Steve Johnson - December 7, 2012

The problem with thinking the woman is Carol Marcus is simply this.

…Carol Marcus was not part of Star fleet. Ever. She was an independent scientist in Star Trek 2. Their relationship with Star fleet was very clearly indicated.

91. Exverlobter - December 7, 2012

I hope JJ Abrams does not reuse Khan. That would be pointless. For what did he reboot the universe anyway then.

92. Aurore - December 7, 2012

“Ah, the villain that simply refuses to be put to bed.
No matter how many fans try to tuck him in. ;-)”


….And, somewhere, Simon (Pegg) is probably “grinning”….


93. dmduncan - December 7, 2012

81. DX7 – December 7, 2012


94. dmduncan - December 7, 2012

87. Aurore – December 7, 2012

So maybe Bob lied about the character being canon? Surely Bob can answer a harmless little question like that. Why don’t you ask him, Aurore?

95. - December 7, 2012

I will say the casting of female roles has been absolutely stellar.

It would be hard to stay away even if the movie sucked.

96. Psb2009 - December 7, 2012

It’s Kodos!

97. Anthony Pascale - December 7, 2012

I know some people think Cumby’s ears are pointed but they simply are not, or at least not with prosthetics. Those are his real ears. so it wasn’t mentioned in the article.

98. ajdczar - December 7, 2012

By the way, I wouldn’t have a problem if the new movie re-visits the eugenics issue; it is even more timely in the present day then in the 60’s. And good Star Trek is about discussion of current issues.

HOW they do that would be the artistic challenge and from watching their former efforts, I do believe JJ’s gang would be up to that task.

While I have enjoyed Star Wars, it was a dirivitive character-driven, simple fairy tale…well produced and very entertaining. Star Trek was story-driven, complex and my dad hated it cause it made dinner late. Comparing them would be like comparing Harold Robbins to John Steinbeck.

So, unless JJ’s team is shooting for marketing audiences rather than trying to create good Trek, it doesn’t matter what character they have chosen to be the antagonist…the reflection of current society will be the key. It it will be grande,

99. Weerd1 - December 7, 2012

Holding out for Sybok. Maybe Sherlock was cast for his ears, just to avoid rumors.

100. Aurore - December 7, 2012

“So maybe Bob lied about the character being canon? Surely Bob can answer a harmless little question like that. Why don’t you ask him, Aurore?”


Because, dmduncan, I enjoy reading all the theories.
I want to wait for the day when the hack writer is ready to open up about his lie.

Then, and only then, will the big “reveal” be sweet ( to me ).


101. Roger - December 7, 2012

It’s Garth of Izar.

102. Star Trek: Voyeur - December 7, 2012

Perhaps the Genesis wave reanimated Kahn Prime in favor of it’s new matrix. The blast could send the new, younger Kahn Prime back in time to the JJ universe where he would extert his…Vengeance :)

103. DSquires1119 - December 7, 2012

#43 Hat Rick
I was thinking maybe the villain is Jack the Ripper. You know, Rejek? At least that fits with the accent :)

104. The Original Spock's Brain - December 7, 2012

@ 19. Romulus
“Trekmovie fans will never get the award for ‘original thinking'”


105. Andy Patterson - December 7, 2012

Joachim was a big Peter Lupus looking thing in the original Khan episode who seemed to have no leadership or intelligence about him. I can’t imagine they’d make him the villain or even a character.

The notion that it would be Gary Seven is silly to me. Seven wasn’t evil or a villain. He was sent to help, not dramatically expound on how someone had done him wrong. And anyway, wouldn’t the people who send him to us put a stop to that? He doesn’t seem to be very subtle about how he’s going about it.

106. JohnRambo - December 7, 2012

it’s not Mitchel!

107. Craiger - December 7, 2012

What if its just some Starfleet officer that Starfleet experiments on to give hime super human strength, making him a supersoldier because they were scared of Nero’s incursion? Then he turns on Starfleet for what they did to him or he decides to use his new powers to take over the Universe?

108. Craiger - December 7, 2012

Maybe now Starfleet sees the Klingons as their next threat after Nero and that is why they want to build an army of super soldiers?

109. ajdczar - December 7, 2012

“Joachim was a big Peter Lupus looking thing in the original Khan episode who seemed to have no leadership or intelligence about him.”

Cumberbatch does not physically look like a product of eugenics (TOS). I think you may have blown the kahn/genetically engineered theory out of the water. Much appreciated.

110. ajdczar - December 7, 2012


I think you could be on to something. Like Captain America gone wrong.

111. Joel - December 7, 2012

It took until post #87 for someone to mention that this is an original story. It might be Khan, but there is no way in hell that it’s going to resemble STII, and I think the hand on the glass in the Japanese teaser was just to put fans into a frenzy.

At this point, who gives a hoot who Cumberbatch plays? He looks awesome, the special f/x look great, and we’re just over five months from what appears to be one hell of a movie.

112. ajdczar - December 7, 2012

But again, Cumberbatch is not ripped. Unless they give him one of those faux-Ricardo chest pieces….

113. Aurore - December 7, 2012

“I know some people think Cumby’s ears are pointed but they simply are not, or at least not with prosthetics.”

I think he’s wearing barely noticeable prosthetics; those are “mostly” his real

114. Exverlobter - December 7, 2012

If it is Mitchel i think the movie starts like “Goldeneye”.
Mitchel is like Sean Bean in that Bond-film and is presented as a good guy. He is abandonded (like Sean Bean) on a special mission, gets his funeral, but then reappears, to get his revenge because he feels betrayed by Starfleet.

115. Exverlobter - December 7, 2012

@112. ajdczar

Ricardo Montalbans chest was real!

116. Jelly - December 7, 2012

I think its Joachim. I think the plan was originally to do Kahn but then halfway through the writing process they came up with an extrordinary idea to make Joachim avenge Kahn’s death in some way, so they switched the casting call to a Caucasian person and carried on.

117. DeShonn Steinblatt - December 7, 2012

Khan is polling way too high. Come on, people! This is a hard core Star Trek board! One or two proxys and we can get him down to 3%.

118. ajdczar - December 7, 2012


Whatever you say…lol


But doesn’t Cumberbatch look to small to be physically genetically engineered?

119. Trek Fan - December 7, 2012

People speculating that the volcano scene has something to do with the Genesis Planet are way off base. The whole Genesis Project happened some 20 years after what would be the current stardate in the movie. It wouldn’t have been imagined would it have been made. So that kinda blows that out of the water.

Yes, Alive Eve could be playing Carol Marcus. We know that Kirk and she met while he was at the Academy… but she was never in Starfleet.

As for Khan… everything thing before Nero was as it was in the Prime timeline. So Khan would still be Khan as we know him… no geographical change to the UK instead of him being Indian.

Another point… In Space Seed… the first encounter with Khan should him to be a megalomaniac not a vengeful madman. He wanted power but not revenge. After being marooned and his wife dying.. he blamed Kirk and wanted vengeance. So the whole revenge thing doesn’t fly.

120. ajdczar - December 7, 2012

Once again I ask: Does Cumberbatch (physique) look genetically enhanced? Dr. Bashir was cognitively enhanced, but we know from TOS and WOK that they were physically superior. I just don’t see it…and thank you again Andy #105 for pointing that out.

But I don’t care really. I am less interested in the character protagonist then in the story line. Will it mirror something in today’s society that should provoke debate/discussion.

121. Ricardo - December 7, 2012


Believe it or not, but that is Montalban’s real chest. Nick Meyer said he had worked out a lot through his career.

122. jelly - December 7, 2012


That’s a good point, but would Gary Mitchell really need to sling a rifle? Not saying that you’re saying its Gary Mitchell

However you are wrong about Ricardo Montalban, that guy was jacked in his old age.

123. ajdczar - December 7, 2012

Ricardo, I apologize…I was kidding. I am pleased that you understood the reference though…that was the “big speculation” before that movie came out. How things have changed.

124. Flux Conundrum - December 7, 2012

Theres been that many temporal incursions throughout all the shows and movies that the prime timeline was probably out of whack anyway. The Eugenics wars might not have even happened yet or those events turned out very differently due to time travel pre-dating the wars.
They could easily use that to explain any changes.

125. ajdczar - December 7, 2012

I am not suggesting Gary Mitchell, Jelly. Just can’t see how it’s anyone who has been genetically enhanced being played by Cumberbatch.

And sorry to you as well regarding Ricardo…He had a big chest and fine skin…like corinthean leather….

126. jelly - December 7, 2012

No need to be sorry about anything

127. ajdczar - December 7, 2012

Maybe it’s Walt Disney unfrozen, peaved about starfleet’s multicultural stance…

128. Ricardo - December 7, 2012

No worried, ajdczar. And I agree. Cumberbatch is a fine specimen. But he is not “superior.”

129. Ricardo - December 7, 2012

No worries, I mean.

130. George Zip - December 7, 2012

Gary Mitchell held a rifle a bunch of times in “Where No Man Has Gone Before”.

131. Aurore - December 7, 2012

Regarding the ears….

I just talked about what I thought I had noticed.
As I said on another thread; I may be wrong.

And, being wrong would not be a big deal for me.


132. ajdczar - December 7, 2012

“Although he claimed until his death that he never cared much for politics, Disney’s, “opposition to labor organizing and support for anticommunism in Hollywood seemed to crystallize a visceral conservatism that moved him into the camp of such politicians as Barry Goldwater” (Watts 96). In addition, late in his life & career, he made considerable campaign contributions to California right-wing political candidates such as Ronald Reagan and George Murphy; gave friendly testimony before the House Committee on Un-American Activities in 1947; and was rumored to have had private outbursts[1] discriminating against African Americans, Jews and political leftists (Watts 96).”

Yep…it’s gotta be Walt Disney

133. Rastaman - December 7, 2012

Why do people think it is Gary Mitchell???


Gary must certainly did not have a British accent, nor Khan for that matter.

Garth of Izar sort of did. Kodos the Executioner most CERTAINLY did.

134. ajdczar - December 7, 2012

“A long-standing urban legend maintains that Disney was cryonically frozen, and his frozen corpse stored beneath the Pirates of the Caribbean ride at Disneyland. In fact, Disney’s remains were cremated on December 17, 1966, and his ashes interred at the Forest Lawn Memorial Park in Glendale, California. The first known human cryonic freezing did not occur until January 1967, more than a month after Disney’s death.”

Ok, well perhaps it isn’t Walt Disney….

135. ajdczar - December 7, 2012

James Bedford
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

James Hiram Bedford (20 April 1893 – 12 January 1967) was a University of California psychology professor who had written several books on occupational counseling. He is the first person whose body was cryonically preserved (frozen) after legal death, and who remains cryopreserved. Among those in the cryonics community, the anniversary of his cryonic preservation is celebrated as “Bedford Day”.

So I change my guess to this Bedford fellow…

136. Mad Man - December 7, 2012

There is way too much use of vengeance in Star Trek movies. I hope the third JJ Trek is without a vengeance-filled villain.

Anyway, I’m really leaning towards Cumby playing Gary Mitchell lately. Check it: Maybe, since the comic, his powers have changed, or they go in and out sporadically.

If it’s Gary Mitchell, then I would consider watching it! If it’s Khan, then there is no way.

137. Maxie - December 7, 2012

@132, lol Disney was a notorious Ultra right wing Nazi Sympathizer. That’s why I have issues with them taking over Star Wars. I can only imagine what Seth McFarlane would have it say about it. If you wanna see a funny bit on his views about Disney check out Family Guys “Wonderful Day for Pie” song. Hillarious

138. ajdczar - December 7, 2012

The camera, shooting downward toward Kirk, pulls back…
He clenches his fist as if enraged yelling:


Shot of lifeless planet, SE pulls away with Space Station in view….



139. ajdczar - December 7, 2012

Maxie – I know that song….Classic!

140. L4YERCAKE - December 7, 2012

I cannot believe anyone here still thinks it’s Gary Mitchell at this point.

Does anyone think for a second that they would drop his glowing eyes?

Especially in light of the fact that he had them again in the new comics they’ve made?

141. Nony - December 7, 2012

I hope that 2% of people who voted for Charlie X did it for the lulz…

I am also hoping it’s a new character. I was leaning toward Gary, if it had to be anybody canon, before the trailer came out, but now I’m not. I do still think Alice Eve could potentially be either Dehner or Chapel (Chapel, especially, is a notable part of Trek history and the fact that we haven’t heard anything about anyone being cast as her seems suspicious – I would say that out of respect for Majel, at the very least, she would warrant a ‘name’ actress and fairly high billing, rather than being hidden away in the depths of the IMDb cast list) but Dehner and Mitchell don’t necessarily have to come as part of a set.

142. ajdczar - December 7, 2012

Well, I don’t know about you, but I am hungry….

And after all of this speculation, I still think it is Walt Disney. They faked his cremation…it’s gotta be,,,

But I am excited regardless and look forward to what is hopefully a story driven, thought provoking and entertaining flick. So say us all.


143. MikeB - December 7, 2012

I hope it’s Gary Mitchell. The eyes are probably a special effect after the fact and why put them in now and make it overly obvious this far out that it’s Gary. This works for a teaser because without the eye effect you can be absolutely certain. Why include him in recent comics at all unless you wanted to bring him back into peoples conscious thoughts.

144. Trek Fan - December 7, 2012

” I cannot believe anyone here still thinks it’s Gary Mitchell at this point.
Does anyone think for a second that they would drop his glowing eyes?”

Yet you would think it is Khan… does anyone think they would drop his ethnicity and make him a pasty white Brit?

145. Cygnus-X1 - December 7, 2012

The trailer is short on spoilers, which is a good thing in the long-run. It may not make for the best trailer, but we’ll be grateful for the lack of spoilers on May 17, 2013.

146. Cygnus-X1 - December 7, 2012

Then again, there are bound to be spoilers in the 9-minute preview next week. There’s just no way to play 9 minutes of a movie and keep the plot and characters completely vague.

147. commhealy - December 7, 2012

What about Lazarus? In the original series all he talked about was vengeance.

148. Tarkov2008 - December 7, 2012

All this debate makes me dizzy. With all the brainpower and cash involved in this film don’t you think the audience deserves something ORIGINAL! Is that so much to expect? Retread, reboot, Mitchell, Khan, Garth… been there done that, seen that version, heard that story, please let’s move on…!

What if every episode of TNG has just been some kind of throwback or remake of TOS episode. Heck, if The Naked Now were released today as a movie that cost 200 mil, would everyone be happily, joyously embracing it or would they be demanding more?

I wonder…

149. NuWisdom - December 7, 2012

As for those talking about the 1996 Eugenics Wars and how it could rule out Khan, JJ Abrams, Bob Orci and crew have a tendency to canonize or draw inspiration from, written and graphic novel Trek works. That being said, there were Eugenics Wars novels written which depicted those Eugenics Wars as having been more behind-the-scenes, cloak and dagger, silent wars that the public never saw. Something akin to Secret Societies, and weaves much better than any other novel series into real life events. If JJ and crew drew inspiration from these novels, then it could explain it if its Khan. JJ and his teams certainly have that tendency. Alias, Lost, Fringe, all to a degree or another deal with secret wars and battles, conspiracies and cloak and dagger machinations. Wouldn’t be surprised if Peter Weller was playing a descendant of or clone of his Enterprise character, John Frederick Paxton, who might have become leader of Section 31, and become a kind of Arvin Sloane of Star Trek. Then, if Cumberbatch’s character were Gary Mitchell, this Timeline’s Mitchell might have been Section 31. If Khan the Section 31 hypothesis might still hold, as Khan, given the trailer, might need in-Starfleet contacts to hatch his plot. This is just my guess though.

Additionally, there is another possibility: The First Contact Paradigm. World War III taking place in the 2050s instead. If THIS model holds true, then Khan in that iteration could have risen to power then instead, and led the eCon forces.

It all resembles The Bible to a degree. Heavily open to interpretation.

Personally though, I think JJ and crew lifted a large portion of The Wrath of Khan’s plot, substituted Gary Mitchell for Khan, added in more elements, and popped out a remixed Wrath of Khan, aka The Wrath of Mitchell, which would make sense given the Where No Man Has Gone Before comic from IDW.

This, if true, could mean the blonde in the trailer could be Dr. Dehner OR Carol Marcus, and given how they setup the clips surrounding her screaming clip, with Kirk flirtily eyeing her, it tends to lead to Carol Marcus, who was hinted in a TOS novel called Inception that dealt with the birthing stages of the Genesis Device research, at actually BEING that ‘comely lab technician’ that Kirk fell for. IF it’s Carol Marcus,my guess is maybe this Carol Marcus joined Starfleet. Also could be working on a psuedo-Genesis Device, perhaps in this Timeline a different type of device of some sort designed to bring Vulcan back from wherever that black hole Nero opened in it deposited it at.

If Bob Orci reads this, care to shed any light on this?

150. Buzz Cagney - December 7, 2012

#8 so Cucumberslice is playing King Kong then, Vults? Its starting to make sense now! And i’m still laughing at your suggestion that its a pair of humpback whales lifting the Enterprise out of the ocean!

151. Jagen - December 7, 2012

can’t be garth, good people. the trailer surely show the villain as being super human in some way when he leaps thirty feet and wipes out a klingon. garth was a captain, a tactician but certainly nor superhuman. mitchell or khan are about the only real choices.

152. Peter Loader - December 7, 2012

150: A planet with a lower gravity than Earth perhaps?

153. jagen - December 7, 2012

Possibly, peter, but garth should be much older and the gravity would explain the leap but not taking out a klingon that easily.

154. Captain Jack of Izar - December 7, 2012

I sort of like the idea that he is Gary Seven… which would make the blonde Roberta Lincoln…

155. Bucky - December 7, 2012

I’m still holding out for the brain-swap Khan theory! Into Gary’s body!

Or Jacquim (that’s who I actually voted for in the poll).

If he’s just plain ole Khan Khan, I’d be a bit annoyed mostly because I can’t see the physical similarity to Prime Khan, to say nothing of the accent. But I can deal.

Maybe Gary but I’d be wondering where all his groovy powers went.

Anyway, it’s more like in the voice over for the trailer Cumberbath is saying that he’s returned so I can’t see Gary being all that mad but Khan wanting to reclaim his throne kind of makes sense. Or Jacquim. I’d be totally fine with that.

156. Curious Cadet - December 7, 2012

@82 njdss4,
“The Klingons most likely found the Botany Bay and captured its crew. Khan (plus maybe other augments) escape and head for Earth”

Wow, what a great idea … So a physically superior bad guy and sworn crew travels through time (via suspended animation), is captured by the Klingons, escapes and heads back to Earth looking to destroy Starflet out of Vengence for something that happened in another time.

Now where have I heard that plot line before? If Orci and Abrams are this lame you deserve this movie …

157. BaconBDC - December 7, 2012

If it is Gary I would say that his powers are somehow stunted in at least the scenes picked for the trailer, which would explain the lack of glowing eyes and the need for weapons.

158. Curious Cadet - December 7, 2012

@146 Cygnus-X1,
“There’s just no way to play 9 minutes of a movie and keep the plot and characters completely vague.”

Except, think about this:

If you had seen the first 9 minutes of ST09, without having read the comic, or knowing anything about the movie, would you have known who Nero was, or what he wanted? I know I wouldn’t have.

159. fwise3 - December 7, 2012

Has anyone mentioned the possibility of Peter Weller playing Gary Seven?

160. diggin up bones - December 7, 2012

Here’s my new theory: Nurse Christine Chapel (Alice Eve) joins Starfleet to search for her lost love Roger Korby (Cumberbatch) and his partner Dr. Brown (Weller).

161. Curious Cadet - December 7, 2012

@90 Steve Johnson,
“Carol Marcus was not part of Star fleet. Ever. She was an independent scientist in Star Trek 2. Their relationship with Star fleet was very clearly indicated.”

Can we all AGREE to STOP QUOTING Prime Canon as if it applies in this universe?

Carol Marcus could have had a completely different life in this universe.

162. Vultan - December 7, 2012


No, Bumblecatch is playing his son.
Donkey Kong.

Bring plenty of quarters.

163. Aix - December 7, 2012

How about Kodos, though.

164. Toothless Grishnar Cat - December 8, 2012

He’s playing the spore plant from “This Side of Paradise”.

165. Killamarshtrek - December 8, 2012

Face it guys, Anthony KNOWS it’s Khan, just like he knows Eve is playing Carol Marcus and let it slip on the other thread (followed by a quick, unconvincing retraction). Bob Orci is clever enough to come up with a convincing reason why he’s white & British.

Like it or not (not in my case), it’s Khan, end of…!

166. Benedict is the man - December 8, 2012

No question whatsoever that Cumberbatch is Garth of Izar

167. fascinoma - December 8, 2012

what 166 said… too many reasons

Sign me…
Team Garth

168. fascinoma - December 8, 2012

That’s it.

I’m making some graphics for Team Khan, Team Mitchell, and Team Garth. xD

169. Mark of Germany - December 8, 2012

I still think it might be Q

170. dontcare - December 8, 2012

Here is what I think so far. Cumberbatch’s character, whoever he is, is a Command rank Starfleet officer, assigned to the front lines of the conflict with the Klingons (even in TOS there was almost constant confrontation). He may have ties to Section 31, and be used to operating outside of the Federation’s normal rules, or not. Either way he decides to take independent action against the Klingons, perhaps assaulting a strategic target inside a major population center. News of this reaches Earth as Enterprise returns for some reason. They are dispatched to apprehend the renegade, who is incensed that Starfleet would turn their backs on him, and escapes Kirk and his team. Admiral Pike, who was Cumberbatch’s superior officer, accompanied Kirk and was killed. The Enterprise again returns to Earth, and Starfleet begins mourning Pike.

Cumberbatch, having decided that Earth, and the Federation, have forgotten what war is really like, has decided to make the people of the Federation pay for rejecting him for being strong enough to do what they couldn’t. He assassinates a large portion of Starfleet’s leadership, and assaults the memorial service for Admiral Pike. His attack is designed to remind the people of the terror and pain of war, and repay them for punishing him for protecting them from it. Perhaps meanwhile exposing a number of dirty little secrets Starfleet doesn’t want anyone to know about in the process.

Kirk then has to redeem Starfleet, to himself, his crew, and the people of the Federation, and stand by the ideals they represent in their most desperate period.

Just some musings.

171. Vespasian - December 8, 2012

And don’t forget the actors they originally wanted for the villain!

Benicio del Toro and Demián Bichir. I think they would have been too ‘old’ (well, relatively) to play Gary Mitchell.

Khan or Garth are not that bound by age.

(Not to mention that Mitchell was shot in the chest by Kirk in the comics. And also, Mitchell WOULDN’T NEED A GUN!)

172. Vespasian - December 8, 2012

170. dontcare

I like your plot very much! Though it seems that the ‘war-torn’ planet the synopsys mentions is the Klingon planet in the trailer, so plot will go there later.

But who knows?

It’s possible that the Cmberbatch character returns from the war zone to Earth, kills people then basically lures the Enterprise into the war zone where the Federation fights with Klingons.

173. Aurore - December 8, 2012

Centuries ago:

1915. Aurore – May 4, 2012
Mr. Orci, in over 1900 posts, is there at least… ONE…suggestion resembling, more or less, what is actually to be found in the ever-evolving script (?) for the Star Trek sequel?

I sincerely hope not!


1921. boborci – May 4, 2012
“I dont think so.”


As I said earlier.

Who knows what Mr. Orci might have “lied” about?

Obviously, “I don’t think so” did not necessarily mean “NO”. It didn’t, in fact.

But, I did not care about such details; this type of answer still allowed me to expect the totally unexpected, for the sequel…


Are we going to get an “Augment” or a “god -like being” story ?
I personally hope not.

Nevertheless, if such is the case, I hope it is outstanding .
I very much look forward to seeing the sequel/franchise leap into greatness, as it were.

(In any case, I am still convinced Mr. Cumberbatch won’t be Khan. I doubt he will be Mitchell.)

174. Nurse Gabble - December 8, 2012

I like the idea of Section 31 somehow being involved into this.
A conspiracy to start a war against the Klingons?
Like Operation Northwoods.
Cumberbatch, whomever he is playing, is/was part of it. Now seeking revenge for a sacrifice he had to make because of it. This is when things get out of control.

This would add a thriller element to the story that I would really like to see.

But in the end it’s probably just wishful thinking ;)

175. Number 3 - December 8, 2012

Haven’t seen this name kicked around yet….
Colonel Phillip Green….just an idea.

176. BemusedWhale - December 8, 2012

Surely the flyover could be for Spock if the bonus scene is truly rein-acting the end to Wrath Of Khan. Or perhaps Kirk? It’d be a real twist if in the alternate universe if it’s Kirk and not Spock who sacrifices himself for ‘his family’.

177. clemento - December 8, 2012

i like the augment theory.
weller is khan, and cumby joachim (or one of khan´s “family/children/henchmen”)…

and with an augment fighting klingons…come on…does anyone remember the ST:ENT augments arc? Malik and his guys beating up klingons…with dr. arik soong as their leader/father.

hmm…weller is soong and cumby is arik? :)

178. clemento - December 8, 2012

edit: it´s supposed to mean:

hmm…weller is soong and cumby is malik? :)

179. marja - December 8, 2012


*I* know!

The villain is Captain Dunsel !

180. TrekkieJan - December 8, 2012

The text in the Japanese trailer says, “Humanity’s greatest weakness has always been…love.” (Instead of the family line, spoken.)
Could possibly indicate the speaker doesn’t consider himself human.

181. Mark from Germany - December 8, 2012

It’s Q!!!!!!!

182. The Last Vulcan - December 8, 2012

OK, complete fan wank coming up:

The first 9 minutes are set on the USS Titan with Captain Riker and our favorite Betazoid by his side. They’re through the whateverhole to find Spock Prime and they run into the Botany Bay. Khan takes over the ship, dispatches the officers, and sets out to find Kirk. Big chase/fight scene results in the Titan crashing into SF Bay. (Aint nobody gonna tell me that’s a JJ-verse ship… the nacelles are 1701E era but on a much smaller ship.) Let’s remember that Singh is a Sikh surname originating in the Punjab and yes, they speak British English there AND there are still many locally born citizens who are descendants from the colonists!

Having said that, I dunno if I believe it myself! :)

183. magister - December 8, 2012

Botany Bay is found floating in space.
A certain “prime” character gives warning.
A Klingon threat looms on the horizon against weakened Fed.
PW goes against warning, unthaws several supermen (one in particular is kept frozen… for now)
Supermen trained for special mission against Empire.
Mission fails, PW abandons “team six” on planet (only one escapes)
BC returns with a vengance (completely destroys his “kingdom” that he was to rule so long ago)
Kirk and crew to the rescue, but…
you lose three of your own
you lose another crucial ally
your fleet
your way of life.
Darkness falls and sacrifices must be made.
And just when you think it can’t get much worse…
HE is unthawed…

184. Aix - December 8, 2012

I just want to say nice Twitter avatar TrekMovie!

185. keno - December 8, 2012

My guess is Zefran Cochran. I wouldn’t put it past JJ Abrams to give us a twist like that.

186. Scott - December 8, 2012

Has anyone that he might be George Samuel Kirk, because it talks about family

187. ajdczar - December 8, 2012

I am still holding out for Walt Disney

188. Sebastian S. - December 8, 2012

I voted ‘other’ for the villain. I genuinely thought it was going to be Mitchell for a long time (and it still might be), but Gary Mitchell was not British. Unless Mitchell went to an English boarding school in the Abramsverse….

However, I do believe Alice Eve is playing Dehner. She’s clearly not Dr. Carol Marcus because Marcus was a civilian, not a starfleet science officer (and she was a proud civilian; I can’t see her compromising her beliefs and joining Starfleet). And Alice Eve just looks too much like a young Sally Kellerman (esp. with the ’60s hairdo) to easily dismiss the similarity. I doubt she’s Yeoman Rand. Rand was not a scientist….

I think the Khan rumor is nothing more than accidental misinformation based upon an earlier version of the script. Nothing more. I mean, goodness’ sake, all you have to do is LOOK at Cumberbatch. Does he in ANY way look like a north Indian Sikh, or even Ricardo Montalban for that matter? No, not at all. I think what happened was that an earlier draft of the script may in fact have been a “Space Seed/Wrath of Khan” redo, but I think it changed substantially since then.

My guess is Cumberbatch is playing a new character who has something to do with Mitchell and the events of the IDW version of “Where No Man Has Gone Before” (which could still easily be the new movie’s prologue sequence IMO).

Just my two cents….

189. Aurore - December 8, 2012

I am still holding out for a new character to the canon.


190. Peter N - December 8, 2012

@boborci: Will the “Countdown to Dar(r)kness” prequel comics give us a clue as to the villain and/or his motivations? The previous “Countdown” provided all of Nero’s backstory, but given the secrecy surrounding this movie’s plot/villain I am guessing that won’t happen… exactly. Maybe it will tie together some of the supposed clues that have been peppered into the Ongoing comic book series.

191. Peter N - December 8, 2012

Oops… (sort of) duplicate post. Very odd that my comments are there, not there, and then there again. It’s like the intersection of parallel universes!

192. Aurore - December 8, 2012

In my opinion, whatever “misinformation” there was regarding the Khan character, was fan-made, so to speak.

At some point, there were reports of Hispanic actors being considered for a role, that of the villain, in the sequel. This was enough for some to determine that this was a confirmation of the fact that Khan would be in the next Star Trek.

“After all, wasn’t the first Khan Noonien Singh portyayed by an Hispanic actor, some 40 years ago?”

The powers that be could not have asked for more.
They did not really contradict anyone….so long as it was in their interest.

Secrecy had to be preserved .

193. Aurore - December 8, 2012

Correction. 192.

portyayed = portrayed

194. will - December 8, 2012

i have a possible alternate theory that im surprised no one has thought of cumberbatch,if hes not kahn or mitchel i think theres a good possibility he could be spocks brother sybock of course having constructive surgury to make him look human.any thoughts on this?

195. sean - December 8, 2012

I do suspect that Pike will die in this one, and that could be his funeral in the beginning of the trailer.

196. R Greene - December 8, 2012

From the outset, the producers have always pointed out that they looked at the Christopher Nolan Dark Knight Trilogy as a model for the Star Trek reboot. By making a series of films that not only were a hit with the fan base, but also ones which held great appeal for a mainstream audience. Recently, Skyfall has garnered great success and box office, by following this same model.

Taking all of this into account, I must conclude that Cumberbatch is playing Khan for the following reasons.

Khan is the greatest single villain of the TOS era. If JJ & Bad Robot are only committed to doing three Trek films, one could imagine that at some point they will want to have this crew face that villain. Given what we now know about Into Darkness, it certainly seems tailored for Khan. If it isn’t, and Khan is to come later, then the basic synopsis for the last installment in the trilogy would have to be almost identical to this one. I can’t see them basically making the same movie twice.

Assuming that the Dark Knight trilogy is still a model, Kirk must face the loss of a father/mentor/father figure in order to shape him into the man he will become. This role will be filled by Pike, who will die as a result of the attack on Starfleet depicted in the announcement trailer. Spock, too, will be deeply afffected by this, as Pike has been a mentor to him as well.

Selectively picking scenes from this teaser and reconstructing them, you could build a case for this scenario, especially when you take into account what uniforms the crew are wearing in these different shots.
Also, the japanese version reveals shots that are almost identical to the Wrath of Khan death scene, but I’m sure there’s a twist to the original. I expect it is Pike’s hand that Spock touches across the glass.

Following the devastating attack on Starfleet, Cumberbatch is fleeing with Spock (in blue shirt) in hot pursuit. Cumberbatch escapes and Spock returns to scene of destruction where Pike has sacrificed himself to save others (fulfilling his prime universe destiny). Spock (still in blue) interacts with Pike, Kirk (in fleet attire) arrives in time to see his death. This scene also gives us the reaction shot of Scotty (also in fleet dress) consoling Uhura.

Here’s a breakdown of what I think the other sequences in the trailer represent.

The first scenes in the trailer are from Pike’s memorial. Kirk and crew raise Enterprise from the safety of an ocean hiding place and pursue villain to Klingon (red) planet where the final conflict takes place.

All of the shots of San Francisco attack are from early in the film, followed by Cumberbatch’s attack on Starfleet resulting in Pike’s death. Most shipboard explosion shots are from the destruction of other ships in the fleet. The ship shown crashing into the bay is not the Enterprise.

As has been pointed out by TrekMovie, the Russian version of Into Darkness will be called Vengeance. This is obviously a reference to the vengeance Khan (Cumberbatch) hopes to exact on Earth, but may also be a veiled reference to Kirk and crew’s mindset when setting out to avenge Pike’s death at the hands of Khan.

Based on the available info, that’s my take on what Into Darkness will be like. For what it’s worth… still, there are strong indications it could be Mitchell. Hence the quandary.

197. lwr - December 8, 2012

Okay… I just Re-watched Space Seed and after this I am quite positive that BC is an augment other than Kahn. He may be the augment “Flynn” or “McPherson” Kahn calls for in the original episode, either one who could have been British. Kahn is dead. He died becuase the SS Botony Bay was disovered by the Klingons instead of Kirk, and when they entered the ship they had no idea how to save the dying Kahn whose tube was malfunctioning( again as seen in the episode). The Klingons then see that once tube A malfuncions, Tube B opens to release BC. He is taken for interigation, and the rest of teh augemnts on board are just set adrift in the ship because the Klingons see no value in keeping the Botany Bay. Somehow Kirk and company rescue (??) or are rescued (??)by BC, he is taken back to Earth and re-assimilated into society and sent to teh acadamy because he is smart as all get out. then all hec. Because he is so super smart, he hides his true idenity and seemlessly gathers info on just waht has happened over the past 200 years. He reads about red matter and realizes that if HE can get ahold of some and travel backward in time himself, he could save Kahn and the others from dying at the hands of the Klingons ( Hence the “wouldn’t you do the same for your FAMILY”) This is when all heck breaks loose and we get the thrust of our story. It is not Pike’s hand or Kirk’s we see touching Spocks, but it is Spock’s own hand from his other alternative Prime Universe self\, thus repeating the TWOK scene in this alternative manner.the movie will end with BC being tharted, but not vanquished… because he was able to go BACK to try and CHANGE the future, and it will be up to kirk and crew to stop him befeore it is to late…….IN ST 3.
What do you all think??

198. Christopher Roberts - December 8, 2012

Just as long as he’s not playing Gary Mitchell’s long-lost twin brother, Jeff! ]:-}

The writers essentially placed Kirk’s birth at a 9/11 style sudden event, where everything changed thereafter (probably for the worse). It basically means they don’t have to stick with anything that’s established from that point. Conveniently, they don’t have to do as much homework or squeeze new adventures inbetween events in the way prequels generally work. Presumably Khan is still unaffected by all that and floating about frozen onboard the Botany Bay… but space being so vast, the Enterprise might not come across him again. Or if they did, not in the exact same circumstances. Somebody else wakes him up, or he’s never awoken. The Klingons just use the ship for target practice.

There’s at least 30 years while Kirk was growing up, that doesn’t play like the Original Series no more I’ll bet. Nero’s face was seen by the U.S.S. Kelvin’s crew before it was destroyed. Some of those survivors would report back that the Romulans attacked them, and how they looked like Vulcans. So that’s “Balance of Terror” out the window for starters, a number of decades earlier.

So presumably they could have Captain Garth go crazy out there in deep space for different reasons. Watching “Whom Gods Destroy” he’s a war hero of some sort, with abilities beyond most humans. They’ll probably retcon him to be a Starfleet (or more likely Section 31’s) attempt to create an augment. The same 20th/21st Century dabbling with genetic engineering that gave rise to Khan and that group who played havoc with the Klingons, in Enterprise’s last season.

All-in-all, it’s probably best not to look that closely at it… like the last film trying to explain alternate realities with an old Spock and a bunch of Romulans from the future. But I’m sure easter eggs to other Star Trek will happen – beyond the surface level plot of Kirk, Spock and the crew facing off against one of their own side gone spectacularly bad. That’s what the teaser trailer seems be about anyway. Benedict Cumberbatch’s performace looks like it might raise Star Trek Into Darkness above the initial disappointment I feel, about it being about a crazed character out for vengeance again.

The thing that might work for me, is Kirk’s description of Garth as one of his heroes in the Original Series. Learning about his strategies at the Academy and so on. Being presented with that person as a threat, and not the person revered for being an explorer and warrior, when it came to defending Starfleet. Not trapped on Elba II but at liberty, would present a challenge we’ve not seen before. Starfleet versus one of their own. Garth’s ideas about what the Federation is, are likely different to the peacekeeping union seen in all the various Star Trek series. Whether that’s down to his insanity or not, he’s interested in conquest and subjugation… with him as [strike]President[/strike] Emperor no doubt.

Actually scratch beneath the surface of “Whom Gods Destroy” and Garth is basically Napoleon, literally exiled again to Elba.

They can have a megalomaniac, like Khan, without all the baggage of Khan. They can Starfleet having created their own Khan right under their noses.

199. Dutch - December 8, 2012

I think Cumberbatch’s character could be a new character, but one that has been inhabited by a canon character: Redjac.
He states that he has returned. In regard to it being London on the poster, Redjac had been in London before leaving Earth.
It would also explain the devastation he’s causing: he’s looking for fear (beyond vengeance).
There’s also the scream of Eve’s. There tend to be screams when Redjac is around.

200. thorsten - December 8, 2012

It’s Finnegan from “Shore Leave”

201. Charley W - December 8, 2012

Some further notes:

1) BC is not likely to be Charley X, WOF’s Joachim (could be Space Seed’s if they are different individuals), Peter Kirk, etc., because of his age. Think maybe in his 30s to late 40s or so (around Kirk’s age or somewhat older).

2) Seeing the trailer again- the fly-over is certainly some sort of memorial (I was thinking at the beginning of the film for those lost due to Nero, but RO has said that the film is about a year later than the events in the previous film.), but is the assembly? The cadets have their hats on, not likely for a memorial for the dead, more likely for a graduation or commencement. (I’m actually going to put this down to the filmmakers not paying attention to these sort of details.)

3) The trailer is certainly drawing upon the ST2 similarities as much as they can, probably some red herrings due to it being film #2 of the reboot. It probably has similar structure to WOK with a DIFFERENT villian.

4) I think that BC playing Finnegan can be taken off the list now, he certainly didn’t have an Irish accent in the voice-over. (When I first heard it, I immediately thought of Patrick Styewart.)

5) I feel like we’re missing something and BC is someone like Decker, Tracy, or a second string character. George Kirk is certainly a possibility, and I think MORE likely with what the trailer has shown (I have not seen the comic that he appears in.)

202. Green - December 8, 2012

I know this doesn’t mean much since Khan technically technically doesn’t belong to any race, and Ricardo Montalban certainly wasn’t Indian, but in the original series they at least made somewhat of an effort to make him appear slightly Indian.

203. D D - December 8, 2012

I think it’s Kirk’s brother. My interpretation is he has probably joined Starfleet and has become jeolous of James Kirk, leading to revenge and the basis for a story line. The scene with the two hands could be the brothers trying to make up for whatever reason.

204. Weerd1 - December 8, 2012

Random musings:
Man, Alice Eve looks a lot like Sally Kellerman.
Family…George Samuel Kirk is canon.
Accents: why would ANYBODY 300 years in the future on a United Earth have regional dialects? “Transolar Galactica” makes that point better than I do though. Floggin’ A.

205. C harley W - December 8, 2012

Re 204:

This is NOT BSG though: in spite of establishing a cosmopolitan future, Star Trek continiously has used, even depended upon, accents (of course they have been ignored, also- a good example is Khan, who should have had a British Indian/Hindu accent but barely conceled a Spanish/Mexican one; also Picard who should have had a provencial Western French accent.) I need only suggest Scotty. Finnegan also has a (fake) Irish accent, and there are lots of others.

206. covette King - December 8, 2012

LOL. You all missed Botany Bay in the teaser. Very fast, but its there.

207. Curious Cadet - December 8, 2012

@197 lwr,
Okay… I just Re-watched Space Seed and after this I am quite positive that BC is an augment other than Kahn. He may be the augment “Flynn” or “McPherson” Kahn calls for in the original episode, either one who could have been British. Kahn is dead. He died becuase the SS Botony Bay was disovered by the Klingons instead of Kirk, and when they entered the ship they had no idea how to save the dying Kahn whose tube was malfunctioning( again as seen in the episode). The Klingons then see that once tube A malfuncions, Tube B opens to release BC. He is taken for interigation, and the rest of teh augemnts on board are just set adrift in the ship because the Klingons see no value in keeping the Botany Bay. Somehow Kirk and company rescue (??) or are rescued (??)by BC, he is taken back to Earth and re-assimilated into society and sent to teh acadamy because he is smart as all get out. then all hec. Because he is so super smart, he hides his true idenity and seemlessly gathers info on just waht has happened over the past 200 years. He reads about red matter and realizes that if HE can get ahold of some and travel backward in time himself, he could save Kahn and the others from dying at the hands of the Klingons ( Hence the “wouldn’t you do the same for your FAMILY”) This is when all heck breaks loose and we get the thrust of our story. It is not Pike’s hand or Kirk’s we see touching Spocks, but it is Spock’s own hand from his other alternative Prime Universe self\, thus repeating the TWOK scene in this alternative manner.the movie will end with BC being tharted, but not vanquished… because he was able to go BACK to try and CHANGE the future, and it will be up to kirk and crew to stop him befeore it is to late…….IN ST 3.
“What do you all think??”

BZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Sorry, that’s incorrect, but thanks for playing, we have some nice consolation prizes for you …

Actually I was with you for a bit. There’s no reason why it can’t start out as you propose. But it goes wrong with Khan’s second in command being re-assimilated into society. Nothing has changed for them, and there’s no way any of them would ever submit to a non-augment as they were constantly warring with themselves. They’re smart, but they’re arrogant. And this would be especially true if he had lost all of his “family” at the hands of the Klingons.

There’s no way he would hear about red matter either. Best kept secret of the Federation along so Spock Prime.

Also, NOT Spock Prime’s hand. It’s too young looking. I doubt it’s even Pike’s hand either. It’s probably Alt Spock, Kirk, or Cumberbatch.

208. Wayne Kyle Spitzer - December 8, 2012

I suppose if I were writing it I would use the duel-universe (Spock, Spock-Prime, etc.) to advantage yet again, and have Gary Mitchell sort of rising from the dead, having found a way to move from the Prime universe to this new one and extract revenge on Kirk. IN TWOK, they used the Kahn backstory to expedite set-up and get to the action faster; it’s a great trick, using past relationships to jumpstart conflict, look at TWOK, look at Star Wars. I think they (the filmmakers) looked at TWOK to see why it worked so well, and essentially replaced Kahn with Mitchell–who is a far better choice for the villain. And remember, “Where No Man Has Gobe Before” had an almost a sacrificial tone regarding Kirk going to face Mitchell alone, making sure Spock was left behind; THAT’S what that shot of the hands on the glass is about, I bet. Kirk is repeating his father’s heroic sacrifice and making Spock stay behind. I don’t think Kirk will actually die, but an Empire-style cliff-hanger would make the next movie a gazilllion bucks! ;)

209. Wayne Kyle Spitzer - December 8, 2012

“What would you do for your family?” The essence of Kirk is that his family is his crew and his ship, that’s his destiny, that’s all he has, anything else for him “would be a waste…of material.” Kahn wanted Kirk. Mitchell wants Kirk. And Kirk will deliver himself to him.

210. BulletInTheFace - December 8, 2012

The poll should be tweaked–“Charlie X” is an episode title. The character’s name is “Charlie Evans.”

211. Wayne Kyle Spitzer - December 8, 2012

What did Kirk’s father do for his family? He sacrificed himself to save it. looking forward to see what they’ve come up with!

212. BulletInTheFace - December 8, 2012

#63: It’s obviously NOT Khan. That is far more absurd than Mitchell.

213. Wayne Kyle Spitzer - December 8, 2012

And I think Pike’s funeral would set this up rather nicely, as it would remind Kirk of what his father did.

214. BulletInTheFace - December 8, 2012

#133: Um… I don’t know what episode you were watching, but Garth of Izar did NOT have a British accent. Actor Steve Ihnat was born in Czechoslovakia, immigrated to Canada as a young child and then moved to the United States. His accent wasn’t even remotely British.

215. Disinvited - December 8, 2012

What exactly made Khan and augments like him so arogant? Was it because of their indoctrination or something inherent in the process itself? If they were incubated and given up for random adoption with no knowledge of their origins would most of them become doctors like Bashir?

216. BulletInTheFace - December 8, 2012

You people are in la-la land. He’s obviously NOT Khan (wrong ethnicity, wrong body type, wrong motivation), Gary Mitchell (wrong accent), Gary Seven (not a villain, wrong accent), Garth (wrong accent, too obscure a character) or Kodos (WAY too young–come on, people… really?).

217. Chris Roberts - December 8, 2012

@214. Garth sounded neutral… which is close enough to being well-spoken. I detected drifts into Irish maybe? I think he was going for old school plummy Shakespearian. Grande theatrical acting and madness even the back row can spot.

If BC is playing Garth, it’ll the same reinvention as Kirk anyhow. Chris Pine doesn’t deliver lines in a Shatner style, with pauses in unusual places. So the villain needn’t play camp insanity either. More psychological and egotistic.

218. Disinvited - December 8, 2012

This goes way back to the orginal episode airings in the 60s but with all this harping on accents, I recall it was explained the accents weren’t natural to the character’s lingo but assumed honorifics to honor their ancestor(s).. Thats why they were flawed and why later in TNG a “frenchman” could have a British accent.

But even if accents were meaning in the 23rd century, people do imigrate and their children often adopt speech mannerisms of the country they spent their formative years.

219. Trekman - December 8, 2012

Gary Mitchell is the villain. Alice Eve is Elizabeth Dehner. It is quite odvious I think. Even if Gary Mitchell did seem to die in the comic book series, he might of not. Kirk shot him with a phaser cannon and they think he’s dead. They torpedoed him out into space in a capsule and that’s how he escapes and somehow comes back. That’s why Gary wants revenge on Kirk and the Federation. Besides, in the original episode Where No Man Has Gone Before, Kirk tried killing Gary with a phaser cannon even then. And it didn’t kill him.

220. Christopher Arnold - December 8, 2012

Where to begin? Well, the opening two-part story of IDW’s “Star Trek Ongoing”, the firstongoing comic book series to be part of the Star Trek canon, already reversioned “Where No Man Has Gone Before” while the series has not yet gotten to the point of presenting reversionings of “Space Seed”, “Charlie X”, “Court Martial”, and “Whom Gods Destroy”.

Now on to what to comment regarding the villain:
1) If the villain is Khan, then Star Trek: Countdown to Darkness” is likely to be a 4-part retelling of “Space Seed” since Khan would have been in suspended animation aboard the S.S. Botany Bay since 1996.
2) If the villain’s Charlie, then the same miniseries is likely based on “Charlie X” with the movie showing Charlie finding way to break out of his prison magically on his own, or if his captors let him out themselves.
3) If the villain s Garth of Izar, the movie may be prelude to the ongoing series’ reversioning of “Whom Gods Destroy”, where Kirk finds the man already in an asylum
4) If it’s Gary Mitchell, it’s likely that the ST: CTD miniseries will show Mitchell hijaking a ship after his body is being found.
5) If it’s Finney, then the minseries is liley based on “Court Martial” with the movie being about his means to torture Kirk for having him arrested for framing him.

As for actress Alice Eve, there’s the possibility of her playing Carol Marcus when considering the “love will be challenged” aspect of the film’s premise, and there’s the possibility she’s playing Christine Chapel since the character never got shown onscreen in the 2009 ST film. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see until the cast information is fully completed by the movie’s production staff.

221. The Great Bird lives - December 8, 2012

Memory alpha claims that only “confirmed” cast would be outlined in blue on there Into Darkness section. If that is the case then Leonard Nimoy will in fact return as Spock Prime

There is also several character, and, or race names that are listed as confirmed, but none ring a bell

222. BulletInTheFace - December 8, 2012

#219: “he might of not”

He “might of” not? What kind of bizarre grammar is that?

223. Let Them Eat Plomeek Soup - December 8, 2012

Nah, none of it is Mitchell-related. Eve just happens to play someone who looks like Dehner and Cumberbatch happens to play someone who looks, acts, and has the abilities of Mitchell.

Nope. Not Mitchell at all.

224. Weerd1 - December 8, 2012

@205: I didn’t say “Battlestar Galactica,” I said “Transolar Galactica,” which is a You Tube parody series that does a pretty funny job of pointing out the foibles of pretty much every science fiction adventure ever. Look it up, you will be glad you did.

225. Christopher Roberts - December 8, 2012

I’d be willing to buy into it being Elizabeth Dehner. She apparently wasn’t in this universe’s take on Gary Mitchell and wasn’t around for the Galaxy Barrier incident – so spared turning into a god-like being, like he was.

As a psychiatrist, she’ll probably become involved with Garth. Enabling him to get free again, once he’s captured during the film. If she’s already involved romantically with Kirk, then that’s something extra at stake. Although she’s a bit of an ice queen played by Sally Kellerman, and I’m not sure if that’s the type James Kirk generally made moves on. I could be wrong about that, I suppose…

226. Astrophysicophile - December 8, 2012

199. I now agree with you that the villain is Redjac, but the character that it habits is also another canon character, one that I and many other posters have suggested, Garth of Izar. In 572-573, 576, I suggested an incorporeal entity like Redjac, but not Redjac itself. I also suggested one like the Beta Twelve A entity which manipulates people, rather than possesses them.

227. BulletInTheFace - December 8, 2012

Redjac… hmmm… I don’t see it happening, but I actually do like that one. Very inventive!

228. Dr. Cheis - December 8, 2012

“TrekMovie (along with some other sites) had previously reported that Cumberbatch is playing Khan Noonien Singh.”

That “report” included a huge SPOILER warning and blank space to scroll past to avoid accidentally reading spoilers. As a viewer, I’d appreciate it if all future references to reports with spoiler warnings have the same spoiler warnings as the original report. Let’s say I wanted to skip the spoiler report but then read this article, oops, guess it was just spoiled for me.

While this time I had read the spoiler willingly, last time around I skipped Spoiler articles only to see them summarized later in non-spoiler articles, which affected my enjoyment of the previous movie. Just a friendly suggestion. :)

229. Dr. Cheis - December 8, 2012

Oh, and for the record I’m still skeptical about TrekMovie’s report on Khan and Nimoy. I’m sure TrekMovie believes it, but I wouldn’t be surprised if you guys were being fed bad info intentionally. :) I’ll believe it 100% when it’s officially released, or I see it in the movie.

230. Basement Blogger - December 8, 2012

I remember Montreal Paul and I got into a big argument as to whether TrekMovie retracted its story or retreated from Cumberbatch is Khan. I argued that TrekMovie did not retract from BC is Khan. Montreal Paul argued otherwise. Well, Montreal Paul, I’m right. From above,

“however so far TrekMovie has not posted a retraction or update on that original story.” (Cumberbatch is Khan.)

Waiting for Montreal Paul to find some way to disagree with me.

231. Red Dead Ryan - December 8, 2012


Montreal Paul has conveniently taken a five month sabbatical from this site…

232. Astrophysicophile - December 8, 2012

226. In the TOS episode “Wolf in the Fold”, Sybo describes Redjac as, “Something terrible…Fear, anger, hatred. Anger (that) feeds the flame…Monstrous, terrible evil. Consuming hunger. Hatred of all that lives. Hatred of women. A hunger that never dies…strong, overpowering. An ancient terror. (Having) a name. Beratis, Kesla, Redjac! Devouring all life, all light. A hunger that will never die! Redjac! Redjac!”

And in regards to Redjac, Spock says, “An entity which feeds on fear and terror would find a perfect hunting ground on … a planet without violence, where the inhabitants are as peaceful as sheep. The entity would be as a hungry wolf in that fold.”

Apparently echoing this, the movie’s official synopsis says that when the crew of the Enterprise is called back home, they finds an unstoppable force of terror.

4, 11, 62, 101, 166, 167, 198, 217, 225 think or imply the villain could be, may be, or is Garth. Originally, I thought he was the villain, but now, I think he is just possessed by Redjac. And being a genius and a starship fleet captain, he might be able to “detonate” the fleet, by hacking into the computers of all the ships in the fleet and setting them to self-destruct, and also, based on the trailer, even setting some of the ships to crash into the Earth to detonate everything the fleet stands for, the institutions of Starfleet and the Federation, the devastation of which is shown in the movie’s poster.

As for how he would have superhuman strength: After learning to restore the destroyed parts of his body after his accident and after learning to use the technique to change form at will, Garth might have learned to change into a superhuman form of himself (of course, this begs the questions of where he, or any other shapeshifting character in Star Trek, gets the fantastic amounts of power required to change form and how he does not burn up when he expends this power.)

233. Astrophysicophile - December 8, 2012

232. When I say, “they finds”, I mean, “they find.”

234. Astrophysicophile - December 8, 2012

So, I think Redjac feeds Garth vengeance. In a way, as a play on the words of the title of the episode “Whom Gods Destroy”, Redjac is the god that destroys Garth.

But why would Garth seek vengeance? In WGD, he said his starship crew mutinied when they disobeyed his order to destroy the entire Antos race, and said his first use of the Enterprise would be to hunt down his crew and punish them for mutinying. He also said he was betrayed and treated barbarically (probably by his crew, Starfleet, the government, the courts, and the Elba Two asylum) Perhaps, that is why he seeks vengeance.

However, in the trailer, the vengeance of Cumberbatch’s character seems to be for something more personal. Perhaps, he seeks vengeance for the accident itself, an accident that occurred during the Axanar war, maybe on the war-zone world of Axanar itself, an accident that in his insanity he perceives as an assassination attempt by his crew, Starfleet, or the Federation.

In the trailer, the reference of Cumberbatch’s character to “your world” makes sense if he is from Izar. Perhaps, the vengeance is for something even more personal: his perception that Starfleet or the Federation sacrificed his world and his family to win the Axanar war. However, as you can see, this unfortunately would be too similar to the reason for Nero’s vengeance in ST09.

Also, in WGD, when Kirk mentioned the Axanar peace mission, Garth became offended and referred to the humanitarians and statesmen of the mission as politicians and weaklings. When Spock agreed with Kirk’s statement that the members of the mission had a dream that made Spock and him brothers (no doubt a nod to Martin Luther King, Jr.), a dream that became a reality and spread throughout the stars (apparently after the founding of the Federation, the races of the Federation were treated unequally until the peace mission made them equal), Garth called Spock truly blind.

In the trailer, Cumberbatch’s character says that the world being safe is an illusion and comforting lie to protect the people of Earth and tells them to enjoy these final moments of peace. Perhaps, he is referring to the Axanar peace mission as being the illusion and lie.

And Redjac is going to help him prove it.

235. Astrophysicophile - December 8, 2012

234. Sorry, “Garth vengeance” should be “Garth’s vengeance.”

236. CoolPT - December 8, 2012

Could it be a Decker? Maybe Matt after he emerged from the Doomsday machine and came into the new timeline? Or maybe his son Will, who merged with VGer and can transend time and space.? Now THAT would be a cool movie!!! Might explain the hand touch of Spock and Cumby!

237. Astrophysicophile - December 8, 2012

So, comparing the synopsis, poster, and trailer to Redjac and Garth, I see that:

1. “unstoppable force of terror” – Redjac

2. “from within (the crew’s) own organization” – Garth

3. “detonated the fleet and everything it stands for” – Garth is a genius and a fleet captain and might have the ingenuity and access to hack into the computers of all the ships in the fleet and setting them to self-destruct or to crash into the Starfleet and Federation institutions on Earth and then self-destruct; Redjac can control the computers of ships like the Enterprise

4. “war-zone world” – Axanar

5. “one man weapon of mass destruction” – If Garth is possessed Redjac, he will be a one man WMD

6. “epic chess game of life and death” – In “Whom Gods Destroy”, Garth played a chess game of life and death against the crew of the Enterprise; Redjac hates all that lives and thrives and feeds on death

7. The city of London on the movie’s poster – Redjac slew at will in the heart of the most populous city of old Earth

8. Cumberbatch’s character speaking with a British accent – If Garth is possessed Redjac, he might speak with this accent (but then Hengist and the Enterprise did not, although Jaris already did)

9. “your world” – Garth is from Izar; Redjac, from who knows where

10. “You think your world is safe? It is an illusion. A comforting lie told to protect you. Enjoy these final moments of peace” – In “Whom Gods Destroy”, Garth was offended when Kirk spoke of the Axanar peace mission, and called Spock truly blind for agreeing with Kirk’s statement that the humanitarians and statesmen of the mission had a dream that made Spock and him brothers, a dream that became a reality and spread throughout the stars; Redjac feeds on fear and terror

11. “I have returned” – Garth studied and is headquarted on Earth; Redjac slew at will on old Earth

12. “to have my vengeance.” – In “Whom Gods Destroy”, Garth felt betrayed and barbarically treated by his crew, Starfleet, and the Federation; Redjac feeds on fear, terror, and death, plus in “Wolf in the Fold”, it was beamed into open space by the crew of the Enterprise of the prime universe

13. Eve’s character screaming in horror – Redjac hates women, and preys on women because they are more easily and more deeply terrified, generating more sheer horror than the male of the species

238. Astrophysicophile - December 8, 2012

103. I now agree with you, too.

239. Astrophysicophile - December 8, 2012

237. Sorry, “possessed Redjac” should be “possessed by Redjac.”

240. LeglessFett - December 9, 2012

I agree with Steve in Number 3. As much as I’d love it to be Khan, it just doesn’t work in this new timeline. Khan was floating about in cryogenic freeze since the 1990’s, and hence would not have been impacted by Nero’s arrival and thus the creation of the new timeline. Why would he now show up as a pasty faced (but very talented) Brit. Khan’s skin colour and accent would not be affected by Nero’s arrival.

Also, I’m not wholly convinced it’s Gary Mitchell either, seeing that’s he’s been covered in the comics. Why go back to that when there’s a much wider universe and canon to explore? Maybe I’m wrong. We’ll wait and see. :)

241. Optimistic Doodle - December 9, 2012

I imagine it must be impossible not to echo Khan in another 2nd Star Trek movie.

Undoubtedly they want a memorable, wannabe-iconic villain ‘à la Khan’ (perhaps mixing characteristics from other icons) – but someone apart. However, remembering Del Toro, the role may’ve been Khan but now rewritten. That may explain the collar too.

242. Aurore - December 9, 2012

“I know some people think Cumby’s ears are pointed but they simply are not, or at least not with prosthetics. Those are his real ears. so it wasn’t mentioned in the article.”


Thanks to a very detailed explanation by dmduncan, there is no doubt left in my mind, now.

243. Hat Rick - December 9, 2012

It looks like 50% are going for Mitchell.

Boy, JJ really has us going.

I’m divided. I really did think it was Mitchell, but the lack of superpowers seen in the trailer casts that into potential doubt.

On the other hand there is that hairdo on Alice Eve’s character. She’s a dead ringer for Dehner.

I’ve started my own poll, and the results so far may or may not be a surprise. Feel free to vote in it.

244. Hat Rick - December 9, 2012

BTW, no one has mentioned the obvious choice of villain if Spock is going to have to go into a volcano.

The Horta.

(Yeah, I know. The Horta was just misunderstood. Okay already! ;-) )

245. Christopher Pike - December 9, 2012

The Starfleet uniform worn by Cumberbatch is an earlier version, I’m willing to bet. It’s not exactly like the black (Cadet) shirt Kirk wears in the first film. There’s that seam which runs along the shoulders. A silhouette where the department colour would run on Star Trek ENT uniforms, and above where the whole shoulder area would be colour on early DS9 and VOY.

The grey trench coat look, a bit of a nod to field jackets from the Cage era maybe. Cumberbatch is perhaps playing someone older and with more experience than Kirk. If he’s as old or older than Pike, they’ll be some explaination why he doesn’t look it.

246. Christopher Pike - December 9, 2012

I forgot to mention… BC’s black top is like those worn on the U.S.S. Kelvin, but with a turtleneck. Nearly everyone wore blue there, indicating a science vessel maybe? Or Federation Starfleet officers all wore blue in 2233.

247. Christopher Pike - December 9, 2012

245 & 246. Actually no… cancel that! (I’ve so decisive aren’t I? :-}

Concurrent uniforms, but a different black ops department I should think.

248. Jack - December 9, 2012

I thought the black shirt Kirk wore was an undershirt. And was worn by everyone on the Enterprise. McCoy had to change him after they got there.

249. JohnnieHF - December 9, 2012

I don’t think it can be Khan or Marcus for the simple fact that not enough history will have transpired at this point. When Kirk first marooned Khan, Khan was accepting of it. It was only after life on the planet he was put on became very difficult and only after a long period in which Kirk never bother to check up on him that Khan wanted revenge.

Also, why would they go to so much trouble to find someone who reseambled the original Dehner so much and then be so far off on Khan?

250. Err Bear - December 9, 2012

A) Weller cannot be Khan…Orci said that Weller is a NEW character, not canon.

B) Orci has indeed said that the villain is NOT Gary Mitchell…however, if you think logically….Cumberbatch could still be continuing the Gary Mitchell storyline started in the comics. Even if he was Gary Mitchell at some point, the “villain” that returns for revenge would technically NOT be Gary Mitchell. He would be the “being” that has taken over his body. Kirk even states in the comic, “Dr. McCoy tells me you’re way beyond hunger or thirst now. Way beyond anything HUMAN.”

And there you have it. Cumberbatch can still be the man formerly known as Gary Mitchell. Orsi is not lying, just simply being clever.

251. ripleyaeryn - December 10, 2012

Am I the only one who noticed that the nacelles from Starfleet ship sinking into water (near the end of the trailer) is Very much look-alike the Enterprise’s NX-01 ? I’ve seen several screencaps of the trailer and from NCC 1701 from JJ’s Star Trek and nacelles are Very different.

Archer’s appearance ? Or Just a nod to Star Trek : Enterprise ?

Can’t wait to find more stuff about Star Trek Into Darkness !

252. dean-o - December 10, 2012

Err Bear: Hmm… now that’s the most interesting plot summary guess-timation I’ve read so far. That makes the John Harrison name make sense too. Harrison is a familiar, albeit general, background character. If you’re right, Mitchell transfers his entity into Harrison to exact his revenge on Kirk and humanity. If you’re wrong about the movie, then you’ve got the workings for a great new novel!

253. Mad Hatter - December 11, 2012

I think it’s Gary Mitchell. I doubt, no, hope, they would not bring back Khan. I think that Alice Eve’s hair is a clue, Cumberbatch’s ST Uniform suggests Mitchell, the Enterprise being slam dunked into the water (if you freeze frame the scene of the starship roiling in the waves you can see “NCC” but no number) and all the devastation suggest a person of great powers. Cumberbatch locked up is reminiscent of when they locked up Lockwood’s Mitchell.

I think all the denials about it being Mitchell and Eve being Carol Marcus are bogus. I don’t think the hand to hand through the glass are Kirk and Spock.

And I don’t think he’s Khan.

254. Astrophysicophile - December 11, 2012

252. With the announcement that the name of Cumberbatch’s character is John Harrison, that means that I may be incorrect that he is playing Garth of Izar, unless Garth has changed into the form of Harrison. You may be correct that an entity has transferred itself into Harrison (who may really be Garth), but I think that entity is Redjac. is represented by Gorilla Nation. Please contact Gorilla Nation for ad rates, packages and general advertising information.