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Remembering Star Trek Nemesis – 10 Years Later December 13, 2012

by John Tenuto , Filed under: Editorial,Feature Films (TMP-NEM),Review , trackback

Today, December 13, 2012, marks the 10th anniversary of the release of Star Trek: Nemesis, the final film with the Next Generation crew and last film before the JJ Abrams team took over the franchise. Today TrekMovie’s John Tenuto takes a look back at Nemesis ten years later.

 

Nemesis – Great Promise after a long wait

10 years ago, Star Trek: Nemesis premiered with great expectations. It was being directed by veteran editor Stuart Baird, responsible for such films as Superman: The Movie, and it was written by arguably one of the most in-demand screenwriters of the day, John Logan, who was just coming off an Oscar win for Gladiator. Logan volunteered to write for Star Trek because he was such a big Next Generation fan. Nemesis featured a promising story by Rick Berman, Brent Spiner, and Logan that would reveal more about the history of the Romulan Star Empire. The entire main TNG crew of actors had re-assembled, along cameos from Whoopi Goldberg and Wil Wheaton, and audiences were being told this was the "final journey" of the Next Gen crew. Jerry Goldsmith (another Oscar-winner) was also back, along with veteran makeup artist Michael Westmore. Everything was promising a big Star Trek film with success at the box office.

On television, Star Trek: Enterprise was in its second year. It had been four years since a Trek film had graced the big screen. The gap between Insurrection and Nemesis was the longest since the film franchise kicked off in 1979. It took some convincing to get Paramount to do another film with the TNG crew following what Paramount felt was underperforming box office of Insurrection. Apparently the cast even took pay cuts to make the film happen. 


Teaser poster for ‘Nemesis’

I saw Star Trek: Nemesis under unusual circumstances, for me, anyway. My wife Maria Jose and I had recently had a son, Nicky, who was only six month old at the time of Nemesis’ premiere. We both had to see the film individually on opening day, taking turns watching our new son. Maria Jose went first, to the 3:25PM show. There were few people in the theater, but that wasn’t surprising considering it was a December afternoon with students finishing their semester tests. I was confident the later show I was attending would be crowded, and while there certainly were more people there, it was not as packed as previous Trek opening days had been. I began to worry then as the entire “franchise fatigue” bells had started to ring in the media.

I was bolstered, albeit temporarily, by Nemesis earning $18 million its opening weekend, number 2 at the box office. We did our part, going again the next day with my parents. The excitement would diminish when the film earned only $7 million each week for the next two weeks and it became clear that Nemesis was not resonating with a wider audience. In the end the film grossed $67 million off a reported budget of $60 million. After factoring in the cut for distributors and cost of marketing, this would be the first Star Trek film to take a loss at the box office. While Nemesis may have gone into the black with home media, it was dubbed a ‘bomb.’


Me – excited to about to see ‘Nemesis’

What happened?

But why? All the ingredients were there for a good film: great actors who knew their roles, talented behind the scene Star Trek veterans, excellent special effects, and an intelligent script written by John Logan that respected the characters. The film also introduced audiences to Tom Hardy as Shinzon, and he has gone on to a very successful career, including Christopher Nolan’s Inception and The Dark Knight Rises.

Certainly some of the perceived plusses actually became minuses. Baird’s direction has been famously revealed to be unsuited to the Star Trek world. Logan’s script is very good, but it was heavily edited because of the long running time. Indeed, the film may have been more successful if they kept it to its more than 2.5 hour running time despite that meaning there would be less showings possible per day in theaters. The budgetary limitations, with the actors reportedly agreeing to less money to help the film get made, were also quite evident with the sets and some of the effects.

It did not help that the film was poorly promoted. A Del Taco promotion, a website, some television commercials, and a few toys were not enough to tell the general audience why they should see Nemesis. It also did not help that a James Bond film, a Harry Potter film, and a Lord of the Rings film all opened around the same time.


Director Stuart Baird with Patrick Stewart on set of ‘Nemesis’

Still a worthy Star Trek movie

Yet, I liked Nemesis then, and I like it now. Data’s relationship with Picard is one of loyalty and friendship, seen excellently in the film. In fact, the camaraderie between the characters is undeniably good in Nemesis, from the wedding sequence to Data’s funeral. Picard’s solution of ramming the Enterprise into the Scimitar is fun and surprising, and there are plenty of Trek easter eggs, like Admiral Kathryn Janeway’s appearance or the name of a ship being the U.S.S. Archer, provided by Logan’s script. It was great to learn more about the Romulans and their history, something the unfilmed and edited moments from the script go into even more detail about. The film does all this with some of the best dialog of the franchise, showing a wit and literacy missing since the Nicholas Meyer scripts. Of course, Goldsmith scores again with his score.

New ships like the Scorpion attack fighter and the excellent lighting and cinematography on Kolarus III help distract from some of the other budgetary limitations. Data’s death, yet promised rebirth, offers an appropriate melancholy end to the TNG adventures. Data’s idea that what makes us human is our trying to better than we are is pure Trek, and quite right. And as sociology professors, how could my wife and I not like a film that argues that we are more the result of our social experiences than we are our DNA?


Data says final goodbye to Picard in ‘Nemesis’

What is important is that Nemesis has a place in Star Trek history. It is the last filmed adventure of the TNG crew, at least as of this date (there is always hope!). It is an important timeline moment, with fans discussing the post Nemesis adventures of the extended universe and the pre Nemesis filmed adventures. And, ironically, the failure of Nemesis at the box office meant a radical regrouping of the film franchise resulting in Star Trek 2009. A bald Romulan leader with a long coat from Nemesis may have inspired Nero and his band in more ways than one.

When I think of Nemesis, and when I think of 2002, however, I remember a time when Picard and crew ruled the film franchise. I think of a film where I said goodbye to my TNG friends. And I think of midnight feedings of our new son, while playing the Nemesis music to stay awake.


Publicity photo of the TNG cast for ‘Nemesis’

More on Nemesis @10 to come

The next couple of days TrekMovie will be remember Star Trek: Nemesis with more looks back, including a deep dive into the merchandise. So stay tuned

 

POLL: How do you rank Nemesis?

You have had 10 years to reflect on it, so now how do you rank Star Trek: Nemesis ?(10 being best)

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Comments

1. Sci-Fiddy - December 13, 2012

I saw it 3 times in theatres. Didn’t think it was that bad…

2. cpelc - December 13, 2012

The thing I remember most about this movie premiere is how the trailers spoiled the Data flying through space ending….

3. jorDe' - December 13, 2012

I saw it when it first came out. And it was the first of the Next Gen movies I bought.
They said it was not that good, but I liked it.

4. Luther Sloan - December 13, 2012

In my opinion, Nemesis is better than Insurrection, Generations, The Motion Picture, The Search For Spock and The Final Frontier. Maybe a 7 (in Star Trek rating movies) like The Voyage Home.

5. New Horizon - December 13, 2012

I would prefer to forget it.

It’s just another rehash of the same tired plot over and over again.

6. Brian - December 13, 2012

The problem with Nemesis has always been that it was a poorly-done retread of Wrath of Khan, right down to beloved character sacrificing himself to stop a doomsday weapon from killing everyone he loved, and then being miraculously reborn. It’s not the worst movie ever, but it’s certainly not a good one either.

7. Dunsel Report - December 13, 2012

To quote the problematic script from Nemesis:

“Cadres of Shinzon’s fearsome REMAN WARRIORS stand around the
chamber. They are his sinister children of the night. Even
more chilling now in the flickering torch light. It’s like
something out of Tim Burton.”

8. Baby - December 13, 2012

And people actually think JJ Abrams killed Star Trek.

9. TaxTrek - December 13, 2012

I think poor timing and too much competition killed the film. Yes, there were things that could’ve been better about it, but it was a satisfactory film.

10. Jeff - December 13, 2012

Abysmal film. Sad to see the TNG cast have to go out on such a down note. The story stank, the characters were all wrong (Picard suddenly likes dune buggies?)… Just an all-around turd.

11. Dunsel Report - December 13, 2012

People call J.J.’s film empty entertainment, but it has more intellectual heft than the tale of Picard racing dune buggies to find robot parts that Shinzon left on a planet of savages as part of a redundant scheme to draw the Enterprise into peace talks.

12. noleknight - December 13, 2012

Honestly, I think the movie was pretty good except for one part. The part where they are on the planet and data’s hand comes out of the sand, then the high speed chase where they launch off a cliff and land in the shuttle at high speed…yeah right!!!!

Other than that, I think the story was VERY well written. It was just released at a bad time and not promoted well.

13. Optimistic Doodle - December 13, 2012

The movie was better received on the European mainland, I recall.

14. TaxTrek - December 13, 2012

I often think the TNG cast didn’t get the credit they deserved. We only had three years of TOS, then a layover, so of course there was a demand for more Trek! TNG had seven seasons, two other series, and then movies? It’s kinda overkill and may have lost its appeal. Paramount should’ve waited to do DSN and Voyager, till after TNG TV ended…but hey greed always wins.

15. Picard's Fish - December 13, 2012

Unfortunately, this movie has always been dissapointing to me – it was simply not a fun movie to watch., there was so little spirit to it.. unlike the best star trek movies

16. Adam - December 13, 2012

One underrated aspect is that it was the only movie that ever really showed what the Sovereign class could do in combat, even if they were matched up hopelessly against a juggernaut. Nice to see a real, dynamic combat scene rather than sit still and exchange “warning shots”

17. gov - December 13, 2012

great movie. period.

and a great “remembering” from Anthony. Good article.

18. Planet Pandro - December 13, 2012

I remember the time fondly as well, and being excited for a new Trek movie. And I wasn’t as disappointed as many others seem to be. I thought it had some great “trek” moments, the nature vs nuture argument etc. Romulans! An exciting “space battle sequence that trumped all others that had come before it (in my opinion) The only thing that bothered me, really, was the fact that it’s climax was basically the same as each TNG movie, it was ending with a countdown leading to the deployment of a bad guy’s weapon/device. I was moved by Data’s death, even though there was the hint of resurection via B4.
I remember reading that script posted online during the filming of the movie ( a far cry from today’s secrecy) and I think Baird’s directing really was the weak link here. It read really well even if the final product wasn’t great. If only TPTB had given Frakes another shot at directing i think it would have been a better feeling film to end on. A funny thing I recall is the 2nd time I went to the theater to see it, the guy a couple rows ahead was sighing so loudly during all of the thalaron radiation exposition that I’m sure the entire theatre heard him, which I’m sure was the point.

Of course it may be different for me than alot of other fans who didn’t like the movie, and that’s simply b/c TNG was my first trek, and this movie closed out the trek I knew and loved best. TNG was my “gateway trek” to all the other incarnations before and since, and so I’m not sure I could NOT like this movie simply because of my emotional attachment and bias to this crew.
Flawed film? Yeah, sure. But I’m attached to it, and I enjoyed it, and I continue to enjoy it occasionally when time permits and I’m in the mood.

Thanks for the look back, John. I’d forgotten all about Nemesis and so this article ws a nice surprise and welcome break from the speculation about the new film and my wild Khan-Bot theories!

19. Caesar - December 13, 2012

I’ve still never seen this movie. I swore off Star Trek movies after Insurrection.

20. rm10019 - December 13, 2012

Franchise fatigue. But that is only because TPTB let it happen and didn’t substantially change the way Trek was being produced for 18 years.

They should have handed over the TNG film franchise to new producers, and the Trek TV franchise should have gone to Ron Moore, not Braga/Berman.

21. Lt. Bailey - December 13, 2012

While I did see this in our local theater with big screen, it did seem to have fewer people on opening day/week than other films. It does beat out Innsurection and Generations by far but I do not think it is better than TMP, but I am one those few that really like and understand Final Frontier. I like Nemesis since it dealt with Romulans, plus I think Cdr Donatra was pretty hot.

The rumor was that after Nemesis, the crew from ENT was supposed to get their onw film or films. That woudl have been great as we could have got a fantastic theatrical release of the Romulan war. However, things happen and we got a long break and things seemed to have changed the next film time and time again.

22. Anthony Pascale - December 13, 2012

thanks for the compliment but John wrote article.

23. Jeff - December 13, 2012

Best review on the web, explaining in great detail why Nemesis was a piece of trash. NSFW. From the guy who did the Star Wars Episode 1 review.

http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-trek/star-trek-nemesis/

24. Drunk Garak - December 13, 2012

With everyone commenting and speculating about whether Into Darkness will still feel like Trek or stray to far it made me realize that the biggest problem with Nemesis is that it didn’t feel like Star Trek. It felt like it was made to be a direct-to-DVD generic sci-fi action film. The characters didn’t seem right, Worf sounded strange, the Enterprise sets were dark and the computer displays red. It was a slow moving film (the dinner scene between Picard and Shinzon has literally put me to sleep), and it felt small in scope.

Interviews with the cast and crew in the past decade point to Stuart Baird’s unfamiliarity and lack of interest in Star Trek. On several occasions Paramount has brought in directors who don’t know Trek and aren’t Trek fans (Meyer, Abrams, Baird) to try to engineer a hit film for a wide audience, on two occasions its worked, but unfortunately Baird was a disaster of a director and the aging TNG crew, who still had potential for great stories, were laid with the blame.

For me, Nemesis is the only Trek film that grows worse with time.

25. Jeyl - December 13, 2012

“an intelligent script written by John Logan that respected the characters.”

I’m sorry John, but that’s bullcrap. How do you call this line respectful?

PICARD: Look at me, Shinzon. Your heart, your hands, your eyes are the same as mine.

Picard has an artificial heart, and last time I checked, that was the single biggest change in his life. What makes this exclusion from Nemesis so appalling is that the story deals with the prospect of events in one’s life shaping who they are as an individual. With a clone of Picard standing right there with a REAL HEART, you’d think that would give Picard tangible evidence to prove to Shinzon that they are two completely different people. Instead, all we get is a broken nose and jaw.

26. Driftwood - December 13, 2012

I’ve been trying to figure out why Nemesis didn’t work for 10 years. I’m still not sure. Nemesis appears to be a good effort, but I feel like the TNG movie series just ran out of steam. I mean, I love Star Trek, and I didn’t even care if they ever made another TNG movie.

Perhaps the series simply lacked a story arc that created a sense of purpose that kept the momentum going over time (for example: Star Trek II through IV, Nolan’s Batman trilogy).

27. Colin - December 13, 2012

Great article,

I think I was 11 when I saw it in theatres, it was alright, and I probably wouldn’t be in any rush to watch it again. I think Tom Hardy is a great actor, and would love to see him rebooted as Picard someday, but I just felt he came off as too one-dimensional.

It was very refreshing to have Romulans and not Klingons for a change though. As the article says all the pieces were there for a great movie, shame it came off so sub-par.

28. Jeyl - December 13, 2012

And can anyone tell me anything good about the dune buggy scene? What did it add to the film? Why consequences were there in fighting a pre-warp civilization? What was the point?

29. Josh C. - December 13, 2012

I think Nemesis was somewhat uncreative, but I still think it wasn’t that bad. They were clearly trying to replicate Wrath of Khan and couldn’t quite pull it off, but I mean, really, who can say no to the battle at the end?

30. PIcard, Jean-Luc - December 13, 2012

Great article,

I really loved Nemesis when it came out but since then I think for me a more realistic fondness for it has emerged. I still love Nemesis but its not the greatest story. It had some genuinely great moments in it, Picard and Data were brilliant and the Data arc I think ended fittingly but there were things in it that felt forced and like you said, weren’t executed well enough due to the budget, that combined with one of the weakest Trek plots, the ridiculous sub-plot, the shoddy director, the low-budget feel and the release between three massive blockbusters, Nemesis was just not going to work.

Even if Nemesis had had the budget of Star Trek 2009, In those 4 years between Insurrection and Nemesis, Star Trek had really become its own worse nightmare, becoming more confusing for people not familiar with Trek. Its public profile was one of bewilderment and really it had become so convoluted and so introverted that it was impossible for people to just enjoy it without having to know what happened in episode 37 of TOS and even if that really wasn’t the case, the perception of Trek would have people believe it to be true.

However, Nemesis was part of 18 years of constant Star Trek, no Sci-Fi series has gone on for 18 years and been as successful as Star Trek so even though Nemesis did poorly for its time, for what it’s worth, Nemesis did pretty well coming off the back of 18 years worth of back-story at a time when Star Trek felt very tired.

I think Nemesis works better today than it did in 2002, as with most of the contemporary Berman Star Trek, it has aged like a fine wine, only getting better with every viewing as you notice and appreciate it more.

31. StephenH - December 13, 2012

I think had they made Nemesis STRAIGHT after First Contact and not made Insurrection at all, and also let Johnathan Frakes direct again, then Nemesis may have had a good sporting chance.

That way, we would have been left with a nice, neat, “Next Generation Trilogy” to round off the TNG crew’s time with the franchise with, and we still could have moved onto JJ-Trek anyway.

But the Enteprise-E’s showdown with the Scimitar was great, Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner gave some gravitas, and as leats if still kicked The final Frontier’s ass anyday ….

32. Trekzilla - December 13, 2012

Awful. Overall, this film was a mess. Stuart Baird was not a good choice for director. Could not have cared less about Shinzon…Datas “death scene” rang hollow and pales compared to the emotional inpact of Spock’s “death” in Star Trek 2. Sadly, i didn’t shed a single tear.

Even Jerry Goldsmiths musical score was lacking. It sounded like Holdsmith just phoned it in. Obviously, the film didn’t inspire him to write a memorable score…and that’s pretty bad in and of itself!

Nice visual effects though.

33. BeyondtheTech - December 13, 2012

@17 / 22: LOL, reminds me of that scene in Galaxy Quest, “Commander Taggart has saved us!” and Sir Alexander Dane / Dr. Lazarus gets pissed that he doesn’t get any credit.

34. Harry Ballz - December 13, 2012

GAWD, HAS IT REALLY BEEN 10 YEARS SINCE THAT PIECE OF CRAP WAS RELEASED!?

35. Trek in coffee shop - December 13, 2012

This movie is fascist. The theme is clear by the end when Picard re-instated the Romulan Empire. It’s all a set up. NOt the values of Trek.

36. dont phase me bro - December 13, 2012

it killed the franchise (BTW, that was a quick ten years!!)

37. Eli Rodgers - December 13, 2012

I loved this movie. It was classic trek. It was about the moral of the story. No, there was not as much action but since when has Star Trek been about the effects? The interplay between Capt Picard and Commander Data was on the same level as Capt Kirk and Commander Spock. If i had one complaint about the movie, i felt they rushed through the death of Data and the after effect. And to #6, it is possible that they are bringing Data back in the books (Cold Equations) but as of right now, Data is dead. So no reborn story plot. They simply hinted at the idea that B-4 might have access to the memories of Data.

38. Anthony Lewis - December 13, 2012

I don’t think it was nearly as boring as TMP or nearly as bad as STV but it could have been so much better.

Firstly as a Trek when you saw the trailers I don’t know how anyone thought that seeing two Datas meant Lore which would have been cool. Instead they go another direction which I didn’t care for. It seemed like the only reason to do this was so they could really kill Data but not for real.

I think you might have had a better story on your hand with Lore who was established, and wrote something that saw Data die but at the same time provide redemption for Lore who has pretty much always hated and abused his brother.

Secondly the whole body part hunt on the desert planet totally stuck out to me as something these characters just wouldn’t do, it felt like an action scene just for action scenes sake. Let’s not forget all of the bad jokes that occurred as a result.

39. DS9 IN PRIME TIME - December 13, 2012

I watched it 4 times in theaters and at least 10 to 20 times on DVD. It was my second favorite TNG movie… First being “First Contact” It was wonderfuly done and i still to this day do not know why it did not do better. I think if Johnathon Frakes directed it might have done better like First contact did.

40. Khan 2.0 - December 13, 2012

i remember the pre Nemesis buzz was quite good – it had the writer of the then recent Gladiator and getting an ‘outside’ director (first time since Trek II) who had done the solid action flick Exec Decision (and edited a ton of classic movies) boded well, the trailer with the Danny Elfman Planet of the Apes score looked like a return to First Contact style action/grittiness – the opening with the giant eye recalled Blade Runner and the saucer crash at the end with crewmembers sucked into space (JJ style) was very impressive …producer Rick Berman saying the early footage looked like a Ridley Scott movie was a good sign ( http://trekweb.com/stories.php?aid=VXZ6sPaw.tNnQ )…..and the fact it was an even number was promising (although that rule never held any water for me as id always considered III to be a good one), plus since the last one Patrick Stewart was more of a movie star thanks to Xmen ….so it felt like the stars were aligning and that Nemesis could be a crossover global hit like Voyage Home was (and to a lesser extent First Contact) – Star Trek entering the big league again

Alas it was not to be and pretty much flopped killing the movie series for 7 years. The film itself was like a combination or greatest hits of the best of the previous Treks – II (vengeful villian with a grudge specifically against the captain…kirk had a son/Picard had a clone – neither were mentioned before….shots of the crew preparing for battle….nebula battle messing up ships systems…countdown to destruction averted by death of science officer who has planted his memories in another – theres even abit of TWOK Horner-esque music where Data says ‘goodbye’ as Picard gets beamed away), III (riker booting the baddie off into oblivian…the last 5 mins with the ‘absent friends’ & revelation another holds the science officers memories that could return fully) and VI (supposed final voyage…approaching peace with a sworn enemy…ship that can fire while cloaked/end multiple ship battle) plus the whole film had pretty much the same story structure as Trek II. There was even a tip of the hat to the 1st film at the end with the Ent as TMP spacedock theme played – sort of bringing the movie series full circle.

In hindsight theyd have probably been better off doing another Borg movie (they had Klingons as villains in III, V, VI & even VII) so maybe they couldve done the Borg again and had Seven of Nine join the cast (Jeri Ryan on the posters like the cover of Hive comic – http://scifanatic.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/idw-sthive-t.jpg ), maybe exploring the borgs origins Prometheus style, perhaps even tying them to Vger somehow…(anyway the borg were far more Picards ‘nemesis’ than any juvenile whiney clone)

i guess if Nemesis had been a First Contact sized hit wed have had TNG 5 in around 2004 or 2005 and then maybe a final 6th one like the original crew in 2007 or 08…(no JJ Trek)

41. CAPTAIN SCARLET - December 13, 2012

I liked the movie because it was Star Trek but it was not a great film,that said , what annoyed me the most was to see how much of a wuss my friend Worf had become over the years…In the first season of TNG he was a bas ass, then as years went by he became a whiny bitch and in Nemesis When B4′s arm grabs him his reaction is pathetic….he reacts like a little girl,what happened to you Worf???What happened to the proud warrior?

42. et - December 13, 2012

I hadn’t realized there was an original 2.5 hour run time.

Man, I would pay good money to see that released on Blu-Ray. (Along with the “Star Trek V – Final Frontier” director’s cut we’ll also probably never see.)

43. Planet Pandro - December 13, 2012

38.

the Lore aspect certainly has alot of promise and would have been great to see played out for one final chapter on the big screen, but again, it depends on moviegoers familiarity with the Data/Lore story arc, and even the most “insidery” of Trek movies has had to cater to the movie-going general public because its such a different venue than weekly TV. But Lore would have been interesting. It would have been a more obvious story about duality if it had been Data/Lore and a Picard/Shinzon that were both the same age, which at one point, I believe, was intended and Patrick Stewart would have played both roles. That way, Picard and Data would both be dealing w/ duality at the same time which means their respective situations would be mirrors of each other, etc etc. A Picard and Data vs. Shinzon and Lore smackdown would have made for interesting viewing!

44. irishtrekkie - December 13, 2012

Hey there is going to be a star trek movie about Romulans !
really ? thats cool there one of my fave species cant way to see this !
wait what do you mean its about a clone of picard and the remans ……..who the hell are the remans did you just pull them out your arse ?.

Cmd Donatra was cool character, in fact i the remans thing could have worked , just remove the b4 and the clone stuff , and make it about reman rebellion or something.

45. trekmaster - December 13, 2012

Unfortunately they cut out some dialogue between the characters and I didn’t like the car scene.

46. SirBroiler - December 13, 2012

A big part of what made Trek II, III and IV work so well was the continuity from one movie to the next even though the plots were very different. The TNG movies stand so far apart from each other – no recurring, underlying themes or story points that carry from one to the other. I wish they had looked at that kind of approach when they made these movies – I think they would have been more successful and the TNG universe wouldn’t have died the way it did. There could have been one or two more.

47. trekmaster - December 13, 2012

Would like to see a TNG movie in Abrams style but with the gravity of the TV series. EPIC!!

48. wi-kiry-lan - December 13, 2012

I read the Facer’s annotated leaked scripts for Nemesis and ENT:Broken Bow.
The movie was exactly as stupid as those evicerating comments showed and I always suspected the box office numbers were affected by the leak.

I’ve seen Nemesis in pieces since – but I don’t think I’ve ever watched it from beginning to end. And that is coming from a lifetime star trek fan.

49. Anthony Lewis - December 13, 2012

I might be the only one, but take out the seat belt joke and I think this would have been a perfect ending after the Data memorial instead of the B4 scene.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b8jsrDl89M

50. trekmaster - December 13, 2012

@#46

I agree. It was a big mistake of the TNG movies that they had no connection to each other and there was no moving forward of the characters. Riker should have gotten his own ship after Generations (with Deanna on board). Worf should have had a role as klingon ambassador (last seen on DS9) and maybe some other trek series characters should have joined the party. But SO the movies have been more or less bigger episodes ignoring age and other developments in the trek universe

51. Trekzilla - December 13, 2012

I thought it was pretty boring, actually!

52. Basement Blogger - December 13, 2012

John,

I also liked Nemesis. Yeah, the revenge plot was beginning to wear thin on Star Trek movies. (Shinzon hates the Romulans and Picard; wants revenge.) But it was smart and it was Star Trek. By the way, six of the twelve Star Trek films will have revenge as a major plotline.

1. The Wrath of Khan
2. First Contact. It’s Picard who wants revenge on the Borg.
3. Insurrection
4. Nemesis
5 Star Trek 2009
6. Star Trek Into Darkness. Check out BC’s narration in the announcement trailer about getting his vengeance.

53. LogicalLeopard - December 13, 2012

I rented Nemesis months back, because I hadn’t seen it in a while, and I wanted to see if the DVD had the cut Wesley Crusher scene.

It didn’t, but I started watching the movie anyway.

I don’t know if I got 15 minutes into it before I decided “This was a bad idea…”

Of all the movies, it’s probably the one I like the least. Picard almost giggling because he’s driving a dune buggy seemed so out of character. The wedding was okay, but it wasn’t particularly impactful. I’m not sure how a Picard clone gets to be that big of a threat right under the nose of one of the most ruthlessly efficient governments in Trek. B4 was annoying. Data’s death wasn’t very impactful (although I LOVE when Riker can’t remember the song Data whistled, excellent scene).

Insurrection is probably the second worst, due to the most uncomfortably ridiculous scenes in Trek history (Picard Mambo and Crusher/Troi girl talk)

54. Khan 2.0 - December 13, 2012

its a shame John Logan and the almost roman connection of the story couldnt have somehow brought Ridley Scott on board to direct (ive read he was approached for First Contact – which was pretty much Treks take on ‘Aliens’ heavily influenced by Giger and the first 2 Alien films – but turned it down)

would it have still bombed if he had been directing? if it had been pretty much the same script/story but directed by RS?? obviously it wouldve been a RS movie and all that would entail with stunning visuals, haunting imagery etc, plus it certainly wouldve been a BIG marketing coup – i.e. ‘the director of Alien, BladeRunner and Gladiator returns to SF for the first time in 20 years to direct the latest Star Trek movie starring Patrick Stewart!” i could see ‘A Ridley Scott Film’ being very prominent on all the posters and trailers etc

it wouldve been a hell of a thing for SF fans and movie fans in general really.

i also get the impression that had Bryan Singer not been directing X2 around the same time hed have probably been up for directing Nemesis (Singer is a huge trek fan and appeared in a cameo)

55. Steve Johnson - December 13, 2012

Frankly, i’m still trying to forget it.

I love the TNG cast, I hated all but one of their movies, and even then it wasn’t really true to their characters.

Darmok, Datalore, Brothers, The Inner Light, Elementary my Dear Data/Ship in a bottle, A Matter of Honor, Hollow Pursuits, Ethics, Conspiracy 11001001, The Measure of a Man, Booby Trap, Sins of the Father, Sarek, Reunification… I could go on, all demonstrate the strengths of TNG crew. They tell intelligent dramatic stories that deal with some kind of a social commentary that isn’t out to bludgeon you as much as it is to get you to think, and to thrill you beyond a spectacle element.

That’s what the TNG crew needed, a good strong story. They never really had one. They had flimsy concept stories that weren’t properly realized for feature films.

Nemesis was one of the worst. The villain has no consistent motivation (and seems confused, what the Hell is with the mind rape of Troi?) I certainly can’t see Picard of the series pulling that dune-buggy stunt when the prime directive is at stake. Ya know, killing indigenous people on a non-warp planet? Yeah. That’s the kind of act an entire episode of TNG would have been built around, dealing with the morality and conduct of our characters.

But it made great action-movie-trailer fodder, right!? Complete with dune buggy jumping into a shuttle.

56. sean - December 13, 2012

If Star Trek V is a 1 and Star Trek TMP is a 5, I’d have to give Nemesis a 3. It’s bad, but it ain’t fart jokes/bad singing/Uhura’s fan dance bad.

57. Jack Zyrmurgy - December 13, 2012

I’m with Mr Plinkett

http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-trek/star-trek-nemesis/

58. SoonerDave - December 13, 2012

Nemesis gets a bad rap in Trek movie history. It was one of those situations in which had it been any other movie, it would have been seen only as OK, not bad, not great, but because of the horrible confluence of timing for Trek at that point, a marginal movie came to be perceived as a lot worse than it really was. It was dark (at times a little too dark), a little derivative (another psycho vengeance alien story), but it reallly wasn’t a *bad* movie. Not like TFF. Goldsmith’s music was, as always, phenomenal. But what did strike me was just how darned uncomfortable the *cast* looked, like they just flat didn’t want to be there. And that was before I read about the abject on-set tensions between Baird and the TNG crew.

But I, too, remember an awkward viewing of Nemesis on a December morning, by myself, kids too little to see it, wife entirely disinterested in Trek. The audience was sparse and only marginally engaged; early reviews had been mixed, and finding it somewhat immemorable as I watched it, it remains one of only two Trek movies I saw in the theaters just once.

59. Anthony Lewis - December 13, 2012

@ 52

See this is a thing that always gets me. People complain about the JJ movies not being “Trek” yet the movies they do claim to love and cherish are all pretty similar in theme.

I mean if you really want to nail it down to Trek movies that are about exploration you aren’t going to find any. That sort of thing was always better suited for a TV format. The Undicovered Country in one of my all time favorites and a lot of hard core Trek fans seem to love it as well but it certainly seems to strike quite a dark tone.

Discovery and learning a great for a weekly TV show but a movie carries with it this feeling that the stakes need to higher, and they don’t get much higher than when your heroes are covered in darkness and have to overcome.

That is why I think Trek ’09 was still good Trek. In a time where movies strike dark tones and happy endings aren’t what they used to be Kirk and company overcame what was a pretty dark time and rose above.

At the end of that movie things were clearly looking up. Heck even the end of Nemesis they try to do that, but you get the sense that things might, maybe, be okay.

60. Trekzilla - December 13, 2012

Ridley Scott would never direct a Trek film…unless it was a complete reboot. Maybe not even then. RS is a visual stylist — he would come in and re-design everything to his liking.

I can imagine a RS Trek movie wouldn’t look like any Trek we’ve seen and I highly doubt a control freak like Rick Berman would let that happen under his watch! LOL!!

61. Trekzilla - December 13, 2012

#58 — I’m probably the biggest Goldsmith fan there is (He was my favorite film composer), still, I did not think Nemesis (or Insurrection either for that matter) was a very good score and I suspect Berman had a hand in making some creative decisions with regard to the music in the films as he did on TNG. I just didn’t care for either score. They sounded somewhat uninspired…

62. Larry - December 13, 2012

To me, the movie made the whole Trek Franchise seem tired and out of ideas. It was more of the same, only less. A villian in a plastic dress just wasn’t menacing. The budget issues were evident.

I didn’t care that Data died. By that point in the film, I was wishing they’d all go as I’d had enough of them. It wasn’t embarrassing like ST V, but it was still pretty bad.

I haven’t seen it since opening weekend 10 years ago, and I really doubt I’ll make time to bother again. It’s like watching Superman IV or Batman with Clooney: It just makes the whole franchise seem worse.

63. Gary - December 13, 2012

Nemesis would have been a much better film had Stewart played both himself and his clone. I think they missed a great opportunity by not doing this.

64. Tom Hardy's Hair - December 13, 2012

Good god, that movie sucked

It was the “bane” of my existence.

65. Christopher Roberts - December 13, 2012

There’s a great Star Trek movie waiting to be made featuring the Romulans. It just hasn’t happened yet.

66. Perry - December 13, 2012

I didn’t care for Nemesis at all. It was mostly pretty boring and the action scenes, like the dune buggy chase, seemed bolted on, unnecessary, and out of character. And there were plot holes big enough to drive a dune buggy through…

As others have said here, it was too derivative of too many previous movies, but my biggest complaint was that it just wasn’t fun! A movie can be dark and gritty but still very exciting, but Nemesis was just grim for really no good reason.

A very disappointing end to the TNG movies. My least favorite of the bunch and my second least favorite of all of the Trek movies (ahead of STV only).

67. Trekzilla - December 13, 2012

#62 — HAHA!! Very well put!! As good as First Contact was, I always felt the TNG cast should not have made movies. With 7 seasons of TNG, what more could be said with this cast? Does anyone believe any of the films topped or even equaled The Best of Both Worlds or All Good Things?

I don’t. LOL!!

And all Generations did was piss off a sizes me part of the fan base with the notorious “death of Kirk”.

TOS should have ended with Undiscovered Country and All Good Things should have been the last we saw of the TNG cast.

In my humble opinion of course! ;-)

68. Dunsel Report - December 13, 2012

#63 I agree, and I think the movie probably started off this way at some stage. Picard vs. Picard is a great idea. The villain would have been charming and devilish instead of pouty and goth.

69. Hat Rick - December 13, 2012

I’m rewatching parts of Nemesis right now. The sum is less than the whole of its parts. The “rally to battle” scene, for example, was quite good. However, the movie dragged because of pacing, and because, frankly, the Remans were creepy and the villain was just not plausible.

Also, there was no sense of genuine joy in the movie, despite the cast’s best efforts. It was as if they knew that the TNG years were winding down; I had the same reactions as John Tenuto — I was quite unhappy about the poor box office receipts since I wanted so much to believe that the franchise at that point was to be reinvigorated by the film. Some of my disappointment at that performance has colored the film itself.

Some parts of the film made no sense. Having a scavenger hunt for B-4 was just an excuse to create a Data clone — again, not plausible. And how did Picard know that Shinzon was going to destroy Earth simply because he was closely related? Again, very little sense.

70. Larry Kinn - December 13, 2012

In terms of script, it was no better or worse than Trek ’09. Both were utter rubbish.

71. Trekzilla - December 13, 2012

Sizeable…

72. Emperor Mike of the Empire - December 13, 2012

Nemises was ok. Some of the Action of the Big E was great. But simply not enough to make this fil great. Ok is all I can give it.

73. porthoses bitch - December 13, 2012

My thought was that my love for STTMP was vindicated by my dislike for Nemesis….. it was as if they started with the death of Data and wrote the film backward from there. That and the horrendus dune buggy scene, it was the only trek film I saw once in the theater.

One point and a related question…..

I do feel that Nemisis. Insurrection, and Final Frontier are the most episodic feeling of the trek films…now heres the question we read the complaint that people wish that jj films would do more “exploring of strange new worlds and seeking of new civilizations”…Which tos and ng episode or stories would have made good mass market films (with mass market i.e. money making being the key word) ?.. Two come to mind Doomsday Machine and Best of Both worlds. City is to Kirk Spock centric as is Arena,same goes for Inner light and Darmok in the Picard era..I’ll give a maybe to Tholian Web, Mirror, Mirror and Yesterdays Ent. And Encounter at Farpoint.

74. j4yn1ck5 - December 13, 2012

Shinzon just sucked, end of story.

75. Jan Brady - December 13, 2012

Larry Kinn is an idiot if he thinks Trek 09 is no better than Nemesis. Please leave your Star Trek fan club card at the door on your way out. Perhaps Honey boo boo is more to your liking.

76. Moputo Jones - December 13, 2012

First Contact was the only good TNG movie. The other three TNG movies were just glorified episodes, especially Insurrection. Kirk’s death in Generations is inexcusable.

77. Smike - December 13, 2012

The only thing I hated about this movie was te baggie chase scene that threw the prime directive out of an airlock without being at least aesthetically engaging. The entire planet looked horrible, like out of a low-budget C-Movie.

The rest of the film was decent. I loved Tom Hardy as Shinzon and his interaction with Picard. The space battles and the atmosphere created by SFX, musical score and sound effects was worthwhile. The entire “Blue Skies” idea was nothing short of brilliant.

I saw the film five times in theater and Idon’t regret it one bit (saw ST09 14 times though)…However, it wasn’t a good sign-off movie for NextGen for it didn’t represent the series’ tone at all. All Good Things was a much better way of saying good bye to Picard and crew and they should have made another one featuring Q again…even if it had only been a DTV flick…

78. Trekzilla - December 13, 2012

The dune buggy scene was awful, yes! So was the Scorpion scene…the death scene…the boring and tedious discussions with Shinzon…it jus goes on and on.

Say what you want a out the other films, but I can tell you I’d rather ha e someone poke me in the eyes with ice picks than to ever watch Generations, Insurrection or Nemesis again.

Ugh.

79. Trekzilla - December 13, 2012

The problem with Shinzon is…WHY did he want Earth destroyed? It was Romulus who enslaved him! LOL!!! Seems he would have wanted to destroy Romulus! Eh — the whole plot was stupid and did much to undermine my respect for John Logan.

Then again, he made that Time Machine remake…

That sucked too.

80. RetroWarbird - December 13, 2012

The real tragedy for me was basically using Romulans as set-droppings for a story which had nothing to do with Romulans. I enjoy Nemesis when I watch it, I like Tom Hardy and think it was about time 90s era Trek got itself some Ron Perlman.

Frankly the fans after all the buildup and politics of the Romulans over the seven years of the show (and DS9!) deserved a be-all/end-all Romulan storyline. And that means threads going back to Galorndon Core, Spock’s attempts at Reunification, the subterfuge over the years, the devastated Tal’Shiar, and particularly an appearance from Sela. And we got none of that.

The Remans are okay – a bit of vampiric vibe fits the Romulan-Vulcan style guide and throwing a third branch or faction into the mix could’ve kept things fresh and interesting. Data dying in the mission that led to a semblance of peace with the Star Empire would’ve resonated pretty well – dying for the ideals of the Federation and peace in his time.

Instead we got a silly Picard-clone plot, when frankly, in hindsight Tom Hardy would have made an absolutely wonderful young, idealistic Romulan juggling the duality and hypocrisy of the new-age Romulan idealist movement and balancing that with the kind of ruthless, sneaky and slightly bloodthirsty nature of how he came to power in the first place. (Plus he’d have looked quite good in Romulan make-up, a proper Romulan slave-exile on Remus). In my fantastical imaginary Star Trek mind-universe, he’s a vulcanoid. With Nero-esque tattoos.

81. James - December 13, 2012

I think Nemesis was a pretty poor film that tried to reimagine Star Trek as a dumb action film:

http://ryesofthegeek.wordpress.com/tag/star-trek-nemesis/

82. Adam C - December 13, 2012

I’ve seen Nemesis countless times as with every other trek movie, and still my least favourite is Star Trek (2009).
Nemesis will always have its stigma of having the wrong director. Overall though the story was good. Just a really bad director that didn’t understand Star Trek nor its actors.

83. Smike - December 13, 2012

@73: “heres the question we read the complaint that people wish that jj films would do more “exploring of strange new worlds and seeking of new civilizations”…Which tos and ng episode or stories would have made good mass market films (with mass market i.e. money making being the key word) ?.”

The answer is NONE. That’s part of the inherent problems with all five Trek series. NONE of them lived up to its potential. TOS (and partly TNG) are not the ones to blame: they simply didn’t have the means back then to really explore those “Strange New Worlds”… They had some nice paper planets though…

DS9 strayed away from the original premise completely, VOY wasted lots of its inherent potential and ENT was held back by lazy writing in the beginning and prematurely canceled just while it was actually getting good.

Make no mistake. I love Star Trek in all its incarnations but it was SO MUCH UNEXPLORED POTENTIAL. I love all characters on TOS, TNG and ENT, and some on DS9 and VOY. I love its races and some of its villains, all of the main ships, its various costume designs, equipment etc… But Star Trek has yet to fulfill its destiny: TO EXPLORE STRANGE NEW WORLD…

You know, the first film that actually lived up to this worlds ever was AVATAR…not story-wise. But visually. That’s THE ONLY space-based film ever that really took us to a believable strange new world in its entirity. There have been some promising attempts in Earth-based films: PJ’s King Kong, the two recent Jules Verne outings and some others… but actually, I feel that the entire GENRE has not yet lived up to my personal expectations… taking us to places where no’ne had gone before.
AVATAR was one small step for Cameron, but a giant leap for SciFi… I hope Star Trek will one day truly go where no one has gone before…

84. RetroWarbird - December 13, 2012

Oh, of course the principal cast were their usual stellar selves, well into their groove and always capable of elevating the material.

And the Troi mind-rape plot would’ve been far more thrilling if it wasn’t a Picard-wannabe, but rather a way to explore the nature of vulcanoid-telepathy and latent abilities that the Romulans might be able to untap by Reunification with Vulcan. Telepathic intrigue would add a good layer to the dangers and motivations of the Romulans, and why they are so paranoid and 50/50 logical yet passionate.

85. s8film40 - December 13, 2012

It might not have been that great but it was far better than anything J.J. Abrams has done.

86. Larry Kinn - December 13, 2012

#83 Smike – You might like to try “Space Odyssey: Voyage to the Planets” (nothing to do with the Kubrick films). It is filmed as a pseudo-documentary and shows what a hypothetical voyage exploring the planets of this solar system would be like. It has an average score of 7.8/10 on IMDB.

87. Smike - December 13, 2012

@Trekzilla: I love to rewatch all four NextGen movies from time to time. They aren’t that bad… Though I have to agree the villains’ motives have become increasingly lackluster since 1994. And this includes ST09.

Soran wanted to destroy a star and an inhabited planet to get back to the Nexus…Well, the first time he got there, he was on a freakin’ STARSHIP. Why not trying again? It worked the first time round…

Then we got Ru’afo… He wants to steel the radiation of his parents instead of just moving to another location on the planet… With only one small Ba’ku settlement, there should be plenty of space left for those renegade kids to do whatever they want…

Then Shinzon goes on a campaign against the Federation and Picard, although they had nothing to do with his creation. Yeah, Picard had that live he never had but it’s as shoehorned as it gets…

And Nero? Obviously the worst fleshed-out villain of all times (though he is in one of THE BEST films, as far as style, acting, score and SFX are concerned)…There he is, just having lost his home, more than 100 years before he actually loses Romulus… But instead of trying to prevent things from happening and puts all his resources into preventing the supernova in the first place, he goes berserk on any other alien world he can find…

I hope, whoever this Harrison is, he’s got much better and deeper motives than any of his “predecessors”…

88. BulletInTheFace - December 13, 2012

#19: What a ridiculous stance to take. But c’est la vie.

As for me, I thought Nemesis had a lot going for it. The biggest problem it faced was bad studio decisions and the wrong man in the director’s seat. As a result, some of the best character scenes were cut and a very stupid dune-buggy scene was added, resulting in a film that ultimately failed to live up to its potential. Plus, B4 was a poor character. But Shinzon, I thought, was a fascinating concept realized brilliantly. I, for one, have never understood why this film is so poorly regarded. I consider the second best of the TNG films, after First Contact.

89. BulletInTheFace - December 13, 2012

#75: Is there really any reason for that? Grow up.

90. Larry Kinn - December 13, 2012

#89 BulletIntheFace – thanks.

91. Mike C. - December 13, 2012

I trust that after the VOY blu-ray sets are released in a few years Paramount/CBS will have no choice but to release the 2.5 hour version of NEM. Otherwise, there will be nothing left for them to get our $$$.

92. Romulus - December 13, 2012

Red Letter Media did an accurate review of Nemesis…I suggest you all check it out.

93. pilotfred - December 13, 2012

i was not quiet sure about the film until this year when i re-watch it and i so enjoyed it

there are part i don’t like which is also true for all the star trek film,(and yeah including jj film, a Budweiser factor that look like a Budweiser factor)

i would love to see the next gen do another film or an epic 6 part TV program a kin to the epic north and south

94. Mantastic - December 13, 2012

The whole thing felt undercooked and underwhelming, though it definitely wasn’t bad. Just average, though much better than Insurrection, which was a complete turd that shit on everything Star Trek stands for and made no sense.

My biggest gripes with it were the 24th century dune buggy (almost as bad as Insurrection’s joystick) and Data’s cop-out death that could’ve been easily avoided.

95. Trekzilla - December 13, 2012

#91 — There’s that ST:TMP Directors Edition Blu Ray (with new features and previously unseen discarded Kirk/Spock spacewalk inside V’Ger footage), Star Trek V Directors Edition with new cgi visual effects/rock man scene, extended edition TOS episodes featuring the cut scenes as described at Star Trek History.com.

Paramount/CBS is sitting on stuff they can release and make more $$$ from the fans…and it’s just a matter of time. :-)

96. Picard, Jean-Luc - December 13, 2012

The world of movies had moved on and Star Trek Had not… With Star Wars Episode II, Lord of the Rings Two Towers, Harry Potter, movies were becoming bigger trilogy epics and Trek was just not doing what it needed to do to compete with the big box office blockbusters of the day. Nowadays Star Trek is right up there and it just goes to show how far behind Trek was in 2002 with current trends and expectations that movie going audiences had. Had Nemesis come about in the early 90s it would have probably done well.

97. AJ - December 13, 2012

NEM was one of those films, directed by one of the greatest editors in modern film, where, when you look at the cut scenes, you toss your beer at the TV screen. Why were these things sliced out of the final cut? Running time?

10 years later, cinemas run 24/7 for blockbusters because they get a larger chunk of the gross in the early going. I wish they would re-cut Nemesis and do a proper cut on video for re-release. Tom Hardy is showing his star-power now in some UK films, plus in Inception and Batman 3. It would sell.

98. porthoses bitch - December 13, 2012

Didnt I reead somewhere that Sir Patrick wanted to originally play both roles (picard and shinzon).? It certainley would have made for a better film. Even if they used the deaging effects from the last Xmen film that were available at the time….the fact that Hardy didnt look like Picard was a major sticking point.

99. Picard, Jean-Luc - December 13, 2012

Also a directors cut or a Jonathan Frakes cut or even a LeVar Burton cut of Star Trek: Nemesis would be awesome and why not! Fans would certainly buy it. Same with Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, why not let William Shatner do a directors cut? If it just means more dollars in the bank the. To for it.

100. Commodore Shaggy - December 13, 2012

I have to mostly agree with the “Mr. Plinkett”/ Red Letter Media review:

http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-trek/star-trek-nemesis/

I can watch Nemesis but it was not anywhere as good as it could have been

101. The Kepper - December 13, 2012

I’ll never watch it again…still demand a refund.

102. Brett L. - December 13, 2012

Just some feedback on your poll… I would clarify if you’re asking folks to rank Nemesis 1 to 10 like you’re giving it a grade (which I think is your intent). However, some folks are probably going to think you’re asking to rank Nemesis with the other 10 films in release, which is often how that question is asked (in which case I’d rank it fairly low compared to the other films).

103. J.C. England - December 13, 2012

I said it before here & will say it again – Hardy sucked.
A zillion other wannabe actors in Hollywood and THAT
was the best they could do? Guess they didn’t try very
much… Knowing full well that this was probably
going to be the last TNG movie, they should have
done it a lot better. Yuck!

104. SoonerDave - December 13, 2012

@97 AJ

“re-cut Nemesis…it would sell.”

With all due respect, no, it wouldn’t. I advocate the point that Nemesis was not as bad as it was *perceived*, but it still was anything but a marginal movie. Recutting it wasn’t going to fix the core problems. Look at the folks in this thread – Trek fans themselves that only saw it once in the theater. The movie was in desperate need of *further* cutting due to its runtime, which also impacted its grosses that first week, I’m sure.

Like it or not, there *was* franchise fatigue. Who on earth could possibly have been as excited for, what was it, the *tenth* Trek movie as they were for (in contrast), TMP? TNG had been on the air for *seven years*, and other than First Contact, none of the movies had received much more than a lukewarm critical or boxoffice reception.

105. DP McGuire - December 13, 2012

Nemesis was, in my opinion, the worst Star Trek movie ever made. Its worse than 5 and that is saying something. From the stupid dune buggy scene to the boring Hardy it just didn’t work. I agree in that Sir Patrick should have played both parts. It felt like about 5 bad episodes edited together to make one big stinker. I have tried to rewatch it but just can’t get through it. My wife asks me why am I trying to watch that stinker. I tell her I hope its better this time and its not. Lets face it Nemesis finished killing Star Trek. Insurrection started the death as it was a good two part episode but not a good movie.

106. SoonerDave - December 13, 2012

@61 Actually, if memory serves, Jerry Goldsmith did not actually complete the score for Nemesis. His work on Nemesis, as I recall, coincided with the time when his health started failing, and story was that he realized early on he would not be able to complete the score independently. I’m recalling that his son helped finish a significant portion of it. If someone else has verifiable info to the contrary, please correct as needed.

I recall the music from Nemesis to be pretty memorable, and I think it had received quite a bit of critical acclaim as well. Goldsmith just plain knew how to do Trek musically. While James Horner had his moments, he just wasn’t Goldsmith.

I remember watching a PBS special a few years ago featuring some large orchestra doing a variety of great movie music, and they broke into the TMP opening fanfare, and I was stunned to see the audience break into *huge* cheers and applause when it started. To be sure, that has become an iconic, signature piece in the history of movie music.

107. porthoses bitch - December 13, 2012

Id buy a a Shatner cut of Final Frontier before Id buy a recut of Nemisis…..please edit out Uhuras dance for thhe love of god…the rock men would be a simple task with cgi. Ive always envisioned the rock creature from Galaxy Quest as the embodiment of this idea. And hey hollywood wheres that long overdue sequel to Galaxy Quest ?.. until then…….Never quit….never surrender !!!!

108. JohnRambo - December 13, 2012

Nemesis had no Star Trek in it…….it is not a Star Trek Movie!!!

109. AJ - December 13, 2012

104 SoonerDave

I was thinking along the lines of the ‘Richard Donner Cut’ of Superman II, which is a far superior film than the Donner/Richard Lester version I loved growing up.

And, do we have ‘franchise fatigue’ now? Those TNG Blu-Rays are apparently doing some business.

110. SoonerDave - December 13, 2012

@109 AJ

No, because Paramount waited a bunch of *years* before bringing Trek back in any form, and decided to reboot it when they did. With no competing Trek franchises on the air, and an entirely fresh perspective on how to do it, combined with a willingness to go outside the box to make it work, they built a $350 million blockbuster in the process.

111. NuWisdom - December 13, 2012

To put it simply, the script was a film that would have been more suited to JJ Abrams style filmmaking and NuTrek’s scope. Paradoxically, the failure of Nemesis made me think that JJ Abrams should take over Star Trek, back when he was doing Alias, which was on at the same time Nemesis came out. I also foresaw that Tom Hardy would become something big. Was right about that too.

Aside from the editing, look at the story flaws though: One notable one that not many people notice…The Enterprise E, built for battle, runs out of torpedoes after firing only 40-50? Sure…

Was it really necessary to kill off Data? They could have written in that Data had a built in transporter in his fingernail like Lore had had and was able to activate it at the last millisecond before the Scimitar blew…

Still, amidst all this, had they not had Donatra and instead of her substituted Sela, and maybe revealed that the alternate Tasha Yar from the Yesterdays Enterprise timeline was brainwashed by the Romulans and NOT killed like Sela said, but rather brainwashed and genetically altered to be part Romulan as part of the same project that created Shinzon, and the Romulans got Picard’s DNA that way, it might have redeemed the movie right there.

As for the cheap sets… I really didn’t notice any…except for the background in the wedding reception scene, which was meant to be Alaska, or a Holodeck re-creation of it…

Cheap effects? Really? I honestly thought that the special effects were the best I’d seen in a Star Trek film to date, as of then, anyway.

112. Commander K - December 13, 2012

Nemesis had a good premise, executed horrendously. Missing some key character moments seen on the deleted scenes.

A few good scenes intermixed with poor scenes…but do we also hate it because of the fact we know when we watch it, a main character is going to die? That there is no happy ending? I think that also causes people to rate it less than what they should.

113. Roxanne Mackenzie - December 13, 2012

I loved Nemesis to be honest. Could it have been better, of course but is that not always the case?

114. Tom - December 13, 2012

I liked Nemesis. I don’t care what the critics or anyone else says because they are mostly looking at it through biased eyes instead of objectively. I easily rate it as a tie with First Contact as the best of the TNG era movies.

115. Tom - December 13, 2012

It wasn’t the worst in cinematic history, but it was utterly useless.

116. Tom - December 13, 2012

Tom # 114, biased eyes how? Through eyes that look for quality?

Love,
Tom # 115

117. Nick C - December 13, 2012

I was pretty disappointed when I saw it at the cinema. Going back to it later, I don’t thunk it’s nearly as a bad a movie as people made out (or I thought it was at the time). It’s clearly got it’s problems, some of which I think it shares with the Abrams movie.

So yeah, I do actually enjoy it these days. Go figure. :)

118. porthoses bitch - December 13, 2012

STTMP is the rare reedit thats better than the original. (Maybe Aliens and the original cut of Conquest of the Planet of the apes)….most of the time edited out footage should stay that way. Sadly what we see as character moments would leave the general public scratching thier heads.

119. Kieran - December 13, 2012

They COULD make a (Generations) type
tie in for next gen and 09 crews- involving
time travel.

120. El Kapitan - December 13, 2012

- John Tenuto

I saw you respond to some comments on your previous article about why Harrison is Khan which was also a very insightful report, so I’m hoping you’re still watching these comments as well. There are a couple reasons I disagree with you about the quality of Nemesis, or the lack thereof that I’m hoping you might comment on.

First, I’d love to read Logan’s original 2 1/2 hour script to get informed on how it’s better. Is there somewhere you know of where it’s available? But one problem I can’t imagine wasn’t present in that original script is, the existence of a clone of Picard (played fantastically by Hardy) is quite believable, as might be an earlier version of Data in B4 (putting aside the cheesy name). But I just can’t stretch my mind to believe that Picard’s clone would just HAPPEN to discover Data’s early double. Doesn’t re-using the exact same plot device for two main characters smack of contrivance?

Second, I understand that instead of using ILM for the effects, they employed Digital Domain because they were already working on Enterprise at the time. And the NX-01 had polarized hull plating as a defense rather than the shields that Starfleet would later develop. But how did it slip through every layer of scrutiny that when the Scimitar is firing on the Enterprise, who’s shields are clearly raised according to dialogue & bridge monitors, the shots are striking the hull? I have trouble believing that professional VFX artists wouldn’t consult previous films for info/inspiration, when you only have to look as far as Generations to see what the Enterprise’s shields look like when struck by phaser blasts or torpedoes. (Had the same problem with the end of ST:VI too)

And finally, Data being forced to use a 1-man personal transporter to save Picard & sacrifice himself. Was there not one person working on the film who remembered that certain shuttlecraft possess their own transporter? Most notably the Runabout from DS9 had one that was used repeatedly as a plot device in that show. And we know that even the Enterprise-D had at least one onboard from the great episode of TNG where they return in one to find the Ent-D frozen in time in the process of it’s destruction with a Romulan Warbird. (Season 6, ep 25 “Timescape”) I know why Logan chose to write it the way he did, but Data or Geordi would’ve know they could have gone to the shuttlebay & simply beamed Picard back to a Runabout.

I could talk about how Baird was ill-equipped to direct a Trek movie when he had no familiarity with the franchise, or other reasons why the film didn’t work. But to me, those three examples I stated speak to a general laziness throughout all levels of that film. The actors were great, and there were other things that worked, but Star Trek fans like us have been spoiled & have come to expect more.

That’s why Nemesis is among my least favorite Trek films. And also why I’m so grateful that a Trekkie like us is writing the new adventures of the Enterprise. I want a nerd like me involved in creating Trek, & Bob Orci is that nerd.

You said in a previous comment you like discussing Trek – I’m hoping to hear your opinion of this post. Thanks for some great articles

- Kirk (yes, that’s really my name)

121. Ozma - December 13, 2012

The Star Trek Nemesis Pictorial Plot Synopsis hilariously illustrates many of the problems I had with that movie.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Nemesis/Pictorial-1.html

DATA: Shouldn’t I go? Or a commando team? What’s up with this “mano a mano”, “I must face him alone” shit? You’re not a Jedi Knight, you know.

The handful of us in the theater that day (everyone else was seeing The Two Towers for the fifth time) audibly groaned when the transporters conveniently went out right after Picard beamed over, and not just because the transporters don’t work that way. Although seriously, even the shuttle transporters didn’t work? Characters can’t transport when shields are up, not because they all break at the same time.

And then Geordi pulled out of nowhere this portable transporter that the writers didn’t even bother to do a Chekhov’s Gun with (Chekhov as in the writer, not the character.)

That movie was redic.

122. Nick - December 13, 2012

Sadly there was not much to like in this movie apart from seeing the team together once again.

The most incredibly dissapointing aspect for me was the death of Data, which is not as bad as the killing of Kirk, but along those lines.

I guess, in the end the format became very in-house, in-jokey, repetitive and inaccessible.

The Next Gen produced some truly outstanding & thought-provoking material over the years … mostly where they belonged – which is for episodic style viewing.

That’s how I see it anyway. Love the Next Gen though :)

123. T2 - December 13, 2012

10 years is disturbing…lol. I remember those days…2001-2002. I was in junior high watching Voyager end, wondering what series would be next? There was talk of a series taking place before Kirk and co., and a series taking place years after the TNG era. I was excited to see where Trek was going next. I was so immersed in DS9 reruns, season 7 of Voyager, season 1 of ENT, and playing Star Trek Elite Force and I think Armada on the PC. A great time to be a fan.

And I remember Dec. 13 in 2002. Eagerly waiting to get out of school and to the movies. I saw it twice that day. Once with my buddy and once with my dad after work. The collision scene to date is one of the only scenes in the 5 Trek films I’ve seen in theaters to actually hold me on the edge of my seat. I remember a lady behind me laughing when the Enterprise-E rammed the Scimitar. Then she cried when Data sacrificed himself.

I followed that movie like crazy, even reading a leaked script before the film came out. A shame the movie was edited and cut the way it was. It may feel more like a Season 15 2-part finale of TNG, but it was exciting and emotional to see the crew together again. I rank it 3 out of 4 in the TNG films.

124. jelly - December 13, 2012

Hellllll of a lot better than insurrection. I watch it again every now and then so I enjoyed it.

125. Nick - December 13, 2012

Yep, better than Insurrection … it felt like a ‘minimal effort’ movie.

I think they appeared to at-least be trying very hard with Nemesis, just didn’t work out.

126. Cygnus-X1 - December 13, 2012

I posted a rant on why Nemesis was an awful movie, but it’s gone for some reason.

Suffice it to say that Nemesis is what is colloquially referred to as…

“A BAD MOVIE.”

God bless you if you enjoyed Nemesis; that’s true Trek devotion. But basically it means that you’ll like anything Star Trek, because there’s probably never going to be another Trek film worse than Nemesis.

And Generations was the only Trek movie worse than Nemesis.

127. Hat Rick - December 13, 2012

Another problem I had with the film was that it was just too dark.

Not figuratively dark, but literally dark. As in too little light from the screen. Too little contrast between colors. Too pea-green in color balance.

Space is dark, yes, I get that. But that’s why God created light bulbs.

I also disagree that the music was quite as good as it should have been. The motifs were repetitive but not in the positive sense — in a tedious sense, and once again, too bland. Too much like the cinematic version of Muzak.

And — I’m sorry to sound harsh, because Nemesis does actually improve with viewing — but the “It’s Data” line at the end of the movie, when Troi kisses Riker on the chest while both are on the bridge — yes, she really does! Watch it again! — was laugh-out-loud bad.

That said, I still kind of like Nemesis, and it grows on you.

Again, a movie that is much worse than the sum of its parts, some of which were great.

In sum, too few lens flares.

128. Schultz - December 13, 2012

The author *respected* the characters? No, he didn’t. Very often they were nothing like they had been in TV-TNG. It was however slightly better than “Insurrection”, i.e. “2″ versus “1″, so yeah, I was heavily disappointed by “Nemesis”. Watched a TNG episode again today, and I will *always* prefer the TV series over the movies.

129. Steve Gennarelli - December 13, 2012

I remember when the movie came out and Roger Ebert compared the state of the “Star Trek” franchise to that of a 1970′s Theme Park.
What once seemed so exciting and futuristic was now overly familar and predictable.
IMO, the best Trek’s have been the ones who have introduced new themes and ideas while still embracing the rituals of “Star Trek”.
To this day, people still say “Star Trek II” was the best. I think people say that because it brought back Khan, introduced Carol & David Marcus, Saavik, the Genesis theme, new uniforms, another ship, Kirk’s house and was quite opposite of TMP in terms of being more of a personable story.
This film and Star Trek V were good examples of “Trek” not introducing new themes and enough change to make things exciting again.
“Star Trek Into Darkness” appears to be everything we’ve ever wanted out of a Trek movie. Lots of action, a huge budget, good guest characters and a very exciting story. This one should be the best one yet.

130. allhailsteve - December 13, 2012

6/10 It was okay but it was clunky, the story didn’t flow. Data already has a brother and why does Picard’s clone who grew up on Remus have a mockney accent? I cringed every time Hardy opened his mouth.

131. Masshuu il Thulcandra - December 13, 2012

I like NEMESIS and catch it on TV whenever I can. I gave it a “7″ for what I didn’t like.
1 – They tried to make Data another Spock with the whole death and rebirth. I am sorry, Data was not Spock. There really was no ‘human’ connection. In the end Data was still a machine.
2 – The whole B-4 story made no sense. How did the Romulans get a hold of one of Dr. Soong’s failed prototypes? I would cut that whole storyline.
3 – They cut 2 or 3 scenes that should have remained in including Troi in the transport tube and the ‘mind-rape which makes Troi’s later psychic assault on Ron Perlman’s Viceroy character out of character for her. Another cut scene was the alternate ending with Steven Culp as Picard’s new Number one. Would have made a much better ending with Riker’s little joke over against B-4 singing that ditty. I think there was a third scene that should have been left in but I’d have to look on my DVD to see what it was. If I had the software I’d re-edit it ti my liking excizing B-4 and restoring those deleted scenes.There were other scenes but not as important.

132. Landru - December 13, 2012

It’s a shame that this failure of a movie was the last for the TNG cast. At least the cast of TOS has a proper send off in The Undiscovered Country.

133. Dunsel Report - December 13, 2012

#121 Brilliant.

134. Robman007 - December 13, 2012

Not a very good flick. Hard to watch even now. Didn’t help that it had themes of Cloning when “Attack of the Clones” was released 7 months earlier.

Data’s death and Picards unwillingness to act after he killed Shinzon was lame.

Still..a much better film then Insurrection. That was a horrible film all around.

Shame that none of the TNG movies took advantage of the Dominion War. Could have had some awesome stories dealing with the horrors of war that couldn’t be done on syndicated DS9.

135. al - December 13, 2012

Some of Nmesis was good. But the entire B-4/DATA plot was contrived and for a lack of a better word…STUPID. How many times have we seen Data in this dilema with Lore ? It was the same old, same old.
The emotional payoff with Data giving his “Life” for the captain….I just didn’t buy it because I knew B-4 was in there as a plot device so Data could imprint his memory into B-4. So Deanna could have saved her tears which came off rather pathetic.
The effects were borderline television value. There was no scope to the space battles.
Nemesis deserved to die at the box office. Yes it was a Trek film, but at the same time…it buried the TNG films.

136. Captain Dunsel - December 13, 2012

Two words: “Must we”?

137. Luke - December 13, 2012

Back when Star Trek was Star Trek…

138. captain_neill - December 13, 2012

Nemesis had so much promise and has some wonderful scenes but it was not the send off that the TNG crew deserved and I wished that the TNG crew got a better send off. I also wish that Nemesis was a hit, as we would still be having adventures in the prime universe.

139. The Keeper - December 13, 2012

Numesis would have been so much better if done along these lines:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Utz53zoJGTM

140. Martin - December 13, 2012

How anyone thinks that Nemesis is better than Trek 09 is stunning.

For me Nemesis has gotten worse over time while Trek 5 has got better. Perhaps that is lingering low expectations for st5, and lingering high for Nemesis.

When it comes down to it, Trek 5 is weak for some bad jokes and fils for lack of budget, but it tried so hard to be something different and more, and for that I give Shatner credit. It had more character exploration than at least 6-7 of the movies.

But Nemesis disregards core principles of Trek with the buggy scene. At the time as a Jeep owner, I was a proponent of the tread lightly program, but here why would they even have a destructive vehicle like this for exploration? It is stupid and disrespectful to the audience.

Hardy was fine, but I would rather it be Stewart or perhaps Ben Kingsley. But the biggest problem with Shinzon is his motivation. If his motivation was still to take Picards place and rule the Federation and Empire, that would make sense….but what’s his beef with Earth?

The biggest problem is B4. Here they find another child of Soong and not only they disregard any previous experience with Lore, they go on a personal project as they cross into the Empire. It just makes no sense, Lore or not. But especially for anyone with any knowledge of the show you should know that models before Data had problems and were dangerous.

141. Ozma - December 13, 2012

Re: post 121.

Gotta clarify: the Pictorial Guide isn’t mine. It just says much of what I was thinking, but with da funnies.

142. Jack - December 13, 2012

People here complain about that Trek 09 was an action movie and yet Nemesis had more action scenes. And action scenes that did nothing for the story. Picard in a dune buggy. Picard in a fighter. Riker in hand to hand combat with Ron Perlman. The ships colliding. Etc, etc, etc.

143. fansincesixtynine - December 13, 2012

I really enjoyed it. So sue me.

144. John Tenuto - December 13, 2012

#120

Hello Kirk (you are the luckiest person in the world with that name!!)

Thanks for the thoughtful comments about Nemesis. I couldn’t agree more with your ideas about the special effects, and I always wondered if that was done to show the audience the ship was there, like Wonder Woman’s invisible plane? It was indeed strange.

I do think that more of reason should have been given for Shinzon possessing B4. Perhaps in today’s environment, they would have had a prequel or film comic explaining that. Contrivance is a good word.

I did like the theme of duplicates in the film: Picard and Data, Shinzon and B4, and whether we are the result of our biological programming or our social experiences. Are we, as Shinzon says, “what my life has made me.” However, I thought the B4 idea needed much more screen time to really be effective and believable.

Data’s demise was always sad for me, especially because they should have been able to think of some other option. However, he died saving Picard and his crew, and by extension, Earth. I thought they should have had more time after to show the crew’s reaction. What do you think?

As for the new films, I think back to 2004 and 2005, when Enterprise is canceled, the Fan Club ceases publication of its Communicator, there is almost no Star Trek products being created, and how JJ Abrams and his team revitalized Trek. And I don’t think just his films. People could debate about the merits of ST2009, with good arguments for and against it. However, it did have the effect of revitalizing Star Trek and helping to bring new fans to the franchise. And I also think the film helped generate interest in the original versions of Star Trek.

What I really hope for the franchise is a new television show, because I think that is when Trek is at its best. How about you?

Thanks again for the ideas about Nemesis!

John

145. Saiyan - December 13, 2012

This movie was just disappointing. Most people have already pointed out the main flaws from motives to car chases but really bothered me was just how over powered the scimitar was. Perfect cloak that allows to fire all weapons and have shields! And the scimitar must have been really fast to catch up with the enterprise going at full sprint! There were always rules to ships in Star Trek for example starfleet ships had speed, Klingon ships had raw power and romulan ships had stealth. It was a balance of power that always added a sense of realism I hated that all that was thrown away for bad story telling.

146. captain_neill - December 13, 2012

Despite Abrams film being far from my favourite Trek movie, I do think it is better than Nemesis, but to me Nemesis is canon as it is the prime universe. Some interesting stuff with the Remans in it.

Abrams film is a better movie, but Nemesis would have a better focus as a ‘Trek’ movie to me.

147. navamske - December 13, 2012

“Nemesis” allowed is not — is movie forbidden!

148. Trekzilla - December 13, 2012

I cried when I realized I had lost $7 admission and roughly 2 hours of my life I’d never get back! HA!!

149. Amorican - December 13, 2012

I knew things were bad when I watched the trailer for Nemesis (before some movie I can’t recall), and there was a palpable “who cares?” feeling from the audience.

I enjoyed the movie when it came out in theaters, but I knew it would be a bomb based on the trailer reaction.

I popped in the DVD when it came out, and realized this movie had ZERO re-watchablilty. I couldn’t sit through it a second time. I can watch The Undiscovered Country over again many times. I have watched the Back to the Future trilogy a few hundred times and have it memorized.

But I couldn’t watch Nemesis in its entirety again even once. I turned it off, and the DVD has sat unopened on my shelf for years.

Maybe I should try it again, but every time I look at the box, I say, “maybe something else tonight.”

150. navamske - December 13, 2012

What I didn’t like:
– Blatant violation by the crew of the Prime Directive on the Kolarus planet by revealing themselves and their technological superiority to the natives, not to mention shooting at them.
– You can’t just take any random actor, shave his head, and try to pass him off as a younger Picard. Hardy was not believable in that context (which is not, of course, his fault).
– As an example of gilding the lily, Picard greeted the person on his viewscreen with “Admiral Janeway!” How much more subtle and effective it would have been if he’d addressed her as only “Admiral.” The fans would know who she was, even the ones who hated Voyager.
– Possible lack of continuity in showing the bald young Picard in that Polaroid he showed Beverly. We’ve already seen Picard at that age, and he wasn’t bald. (“Hey! Let’s have Tom Hardy put on a Starfleet uniform and have him pretend to be Young Picard!”)
– I didn’t get that “Picard sending a text message to Troi” thing. Why not just say to her when hailing frequencies aren’t open, “Deanna, ram the other ship”? Or even pantomime it? Just to say, implicitly, “Even low-tech solutions work”?

Other than that, it was OK.

151. Max - December 13, 2012

Without realizing the tenth anniversary of the movie was here, yesterday, I made a mash up of Nemesis with the Into Darkness trailer. Everyone else was making them, so I thought I’d contribute. You’re welcome to use it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xl2yF1yhGU

152. Bob Tompkins - December 13, 2012

From what I have heard of the original script– and that the first cut came in at nearly 3 hours, not 2.5, I think it would have benefited from a longer running time. It was far more epic than what we saw on the screen. The deleted scenes from the DVD only give us a glimpse at some lost character moments.
Jonathan Frakes should have been the director, but I understand that Paramount owed Stuart Baird a movie and unfortunately they gave him this.
As to the FX not being good, I have to disgree, it was the best of the bunch.
They abandoned the idea of Patrick Stewart playing both versions of Picard, a bad idea. Tom Hardy was not a good physical choice for the role.
My late wife was not a big fan of the Next Gen crew, but she enjoyed the movie and had no trouble tracking the plot- she didn’t need a scorecard to know who was who and what was what, so it was written for the fans, but non- fans could enjoy it as well.
The only part I thought was over- the- top was the car chase; there is no need for wheeled all- terrain vehicles in the 24th Century, something she pointed out to me wondering if it was some lame attempt to sell toys.

153. Jonboc - December 13, 2012

The lack of appeal or interest in TNG, and the Bermanized franchise in general, was simply a case of familiarity breeding contempt. The wind had left the sails of TNG long before this. Nemesis was just the nails in the coffin.

154. CmdrR - December 13, 2012

It was a slow-moving movie with few if any new ideas… a cavalier attitude towards established canon… and a heavy reliance on action sequences that were not that special (dune buggy chase with sand people?)

I agree that Nemesis is better than Insurrection, but that’s not saying much.

TNG, at its best, could drop every sci-fi element and still tell wonderful people stories. TNG movies mostly felt as though they struggled to be like the other kids on the movie block… actioners. Trek is Trek. It works. Baird did not get that.

It’s a shame, but it was a fizzle end to TNG, not a bang.

155. Billiam - December 13, 2012

Where to start with Nemesis. Hm. Why was Shinzon bald? Why was the Scimitar so uselessly huge? Why was there another Soong android? The Argo? Why would Shinzon want to destroy Earth? Why wouldn’t he want to destroy Romulus instead for enslaving him? Why didn’t the Enterprise take damage from literally half a warbird smashing her engines? Why didn’t Picard use the Picard Maneuver instead of ramming the ship? Why did four quantum torpedoes OBLITERATE a Borg Cube, but the same volley just bounces the Scimitar around instead?

The Remans were cool. Other than that, I consider Insurrection the final installment for TNG. Rightfully so; it was light hearted and gave more closure and a positive future.

156. Lurker - December 13, 2012

@137 – What is Star Trek?

It comes in many different colors – and we all have a preference of what color(s) we choose to like.

Prime universe Trek, while being great and enjoyable to all of us, was getting old and tired. Nemesis made less than ST V, even with higher ticket prices – so what does that tell you?

Star Trek needed a break, and it needed a fresh start. And some of you might not like this new color of Trek, but there are many of us that do.

157. porthoses bitch - December 13, 2012

My thought asto the dune buggy chase its the same as Phantom menace and the mind numbing and highly repetitive pod race. The popularity at that time of nascar…….nuff said.

158. Ted C - December 13, 2012

@ 157 You’re blaming the dune buddy scene on the popularity of NASCAR? Ok, now I have heard everything. How ridiculous.

I always thought Nemesis was a decent movie and highly underrated.

159. MRQ - December 13, 2012

http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-trek/star-trek-nemesis/

I see a few people are already beating me to it but I’ll link anyways. Plinkett trashes basically every TNG movie, and he’s right on all of them. The only one that I can actually enjoy and ignore it’s faults is First Contact but it’s more of a guilty pleasure because I know it has so many problems but it is the only TNG film that 1. actually feels like a movie and not a long episode, and 2. it’s trying to be good.

160. Mad Man - December 13, 2012

Nemesis? Really?

Granted, there were some bright moment. Most of the wedding reception scene was good stuff. The Worf-hangover thing was stupid, though. And most of the stuff with Data and B4 was great. Also, the Enterprise-E looked gorgeous! I love that ship!

BUT: Shinzon was too forced as a concept, I couldn’t buy the clone-thing. The mind-rape was lame. The synthesizer music was beyond cheap and lame. The soft lights on the eyes was lame. The dune buggy was beyond lame (all the crew needs are goggles? why not a cool Exo-suit or something?), the Riker-Reman fight was super-lame and forced, and Data’s death was not needed.

And most of this stuff could have been fixed!! Even with a silly clone-villain story, this could have been an awesome send-off to a great crew. The low budget is not an excuse, the Trek movie with the lowest budget was the best: Wrath of Khan. Great stuff can happen when people are forced to be resourceful.

Anyway, this was a grand example of lots of unfulfilled potential. What a bummer.

161. chrisfawkes.com - December 13, 2012

One of the worst films ever made.

I really was fighting to stay awake.

The story was painful, particularly the b4 storyline. The forced fight scene with Riker that had no context.

There is nothing that could have been done to save this film.

Not saying some would not like it nor be entitled to do so but for a wider audience my personal sentiments would have always been shared.

162. chrisfawkes.com - December 13, 2012

The Final Frontier was a dog too but there were some truly great character moments in that film.

Nemesis had nothing.

163. DeShonn Steinblatt - December 13, 2012

I also prefer not to remember Star Trek: Nemesis

164. Picard's Slappy Patty - December 13, 2012

I loved TNG series so much, but I have to be honest, that I felt let down by all the movies they did, including First Contact. It is a shame that Abrams was not around to direct a great TNG flick, at the time.

165. Jason - December 13, 2012

The last real Star Trek movie before everything went south. I’m sad we never got to see Brent Spiner’s “Justice Leauge of Star Trek” that was to follow this up. Would have been a much better ending to real Trek before the infection we know today as JJ-Trek. *sigh*

166. chrisfawkes.com - December 13, 2012

JJ Trek was the first Trek since the original series to capture the spirit of the original series.

Even galaxy quest was more in the spirit of Star Trek than all but First Contact of the Next Gen movies.

167. Chang's Gang - December 13, 2012

This movie was a thousand times better than Insurrection!

168. Nemesis stank - December 13, 2012

“an intelligent script written by John Logan that respected the characters”

It was awful. I wanted more TNG because I’d grown sentimental about those guys, but if the movies were going to keep degenerating to the point they’d be as bad/worse than Nemesis, then I’m glad they were put out of their misery.

169. Simon - December 13, 2012

NEMESIS was just so-so in my opinion, and a very disappointing way to end the TNG franchise. I keep hoping against all odds they will have one last adventure in the TNG universe to send off the crew correct, even if it has to be on TV.

The VFX by Digital Domain were also unremarkable. Whoever decided the Enterprise-E should suddenly accelerate and *LEAVE SMOKE TRAILS* going to warp should be forced to watch SPOCK’S BRAIN on a 72-hour continuous loop. Also: green weapons being fired on a green background was a bad idea.

I also hate the trope of an unbelievably powerful supership that is pretty much invulnerable. The 1701-E was designed to fight a Borg Cube yet had to actually ram the ship to make a literal dent in it. Ridiculous.

170. paustin - December 13, 2012

I have just two words to say on the subject “dune buggy”….nuff said

171. mrspock - December 14, 2012

Nemesis was much more better than Abrams- Trek !!!

I think the timing of the release was not good.

172. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - December 14, 2012

@160 “BUT: Shinzon was too forced as a concept, I couldn’t buy the clone-thing. The mind-rape was lame. The synthesizer music was beyond cheap and lame. The soft lights on the eyes was lame. The dune buggy was beyond lame (all the crew needs are goggles? why not a cool Exo-suit or something?), the Riker-Reman fight was super-lame and forced, and Data’s death was not needed.”

I couldn’t have summed up the problems with this flick better.

Nemesis, to me, is one of the worst Trek movies ever. To me, ranking-wise, it’s at #9, with #10 being The Search for Spock, and #11 being The Final Frontier.

173. DanSouth - December 14, 2012

The biggest problem with Nemesis was Insurection which preceded it. Insurection left a bad taste in people’s mouths. Many not rusted on Trek fans never went along to see Nemesis.

174. trekmaster - December 14, 2012

The question is will they make trek action movies in the future and will there be a point of no return to common trek!? JJ Abrams is walking on the borderline but there’s a risk with every movie to be just an action-packed cinematic event.

175. SPATAN555 - December 14, 2012

Startrek Nemesis failed miserably because of the Director, Stuart Baird. Most of the deleted scenes from the DVD have the best parts. I didn’t like Shinzon, B4 or the story plot. Killing of Data was a big mistake. On top of that, it didn’t feel like a Startrek movie. I was surprise how the writers didn’t come up with anything creative. Insurrection, First Contact and Generations is far better.

Had Nemesis been directed by Jonathan Frakes, it wouldn’t turn out so bad.

176. captain_neill - December 14, 2012

Jonathan Frakes was asked at the 2008 Vegas con, what would he have done if he directed Nemesis. His was reply was a flat out “I would have made it a TNG movie.”

I could not agre more because I think a lot of the crew momens were sacrificed dor the vilain and you had a director, who unlike Nicholas Meyer and JJ Abrams, did not do his homework on Trek. Also I do think Stuart Baird is a better editor than he is a director.

God I said it, JJ Abrams did do his homework. He made chages I didn’t like but I guess he was willing to take a chance.

177. trekmaster - December 14, 2012

Nemesis failed because of the stereotyped bad guy/ good guy concept plus a villain in a plastic dress that has been as a so called clone totally different from Patrick Stewart’s outer appearance. Data’s death has had so much of a copy of ST2/ ST3 – a totally lack of innovation! The marriage, blue skies, Rikers sentence about the melody Data whistled on the holodeck – that was great, BUT ignoring Spock and his efforts referring the romulan/vulcan unification and ignoring the progressing age of the characters and their career THAT was the biggest mistake.

178. captain_neill - December 14, 2012

Well to use Orci’s quote about Trek being classical music and Wars being Rock n Roll, and he said he wanted to make Trek more Rock n Roll.

My reply is that I am Trek who lovess Classical Music, but I do like Rock n Roll. But I would not stop listening to classical music.

179. trekmaster - December 14, 2012

@#178
For cinema we NEED Rock’n Roll, BUT Star Trek needs to walk on the borderline that makes it still a trek movie. There’s a very high risk that it spaces out to a pure action oriented franchise that has nothing to do with common trek

180. CpUChiP - December 14, 2012

i saw it once and felt like the autor has not watched the series.
the one way teleporter is no prototype anymore cause warf gaved the prototype to riker as he was on the klingon ship in season 2 episode 8
and many more mistakes from the autor like a vehicel with wheels…
why they dont fly over with the shutle¿

181. CpUChiP - December 14, 2012

OMG AND STARTREK INTO THE DARKENSS BURNES MY EYES
I DONT WANT TO LIVE ON THIS WORLD ANYMORE ^^

182. dswynne - December 14, 2012

RLM had reviewed “Nemesis” sometime ago, and explained why it bombed (warning: NSFW):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZjkHUrEuHc

183. Hat Rick - December 14, 2012

I’m just interested in cataloguing some of the miscellaneous oddities and inanities in Nemesis, even though, as I said, it does improve with viewing.

1. No self destruct at a critical moment when a starship is likely to need it mostt? How convenient. No manual override of the self-destruct? How convenient. You can’t overload the warp core for some reason? How convenient, since warp cores are the most volatile things in the universe. I guess the viewers really lucked on that one.

2. Enterprise cannot help its captain on Kolarus III because of some energy field, I guess? How convenient.

I suppose one could also appreciate the “how not to make a movie” and “how to make a starship crew look amateurish” tips conveniently provided by this movie:

3. About to fight a supership that can’t be seen? Logical choice is have your experience crew plunge the ship into some greenish rift that limits all your options, naturally. Because, of course, no one in Starfleet has ever had any tactical training nor shown any foresight as to plotting a course to get around a wispy mist of doom.

4. Tom Hardy’s character too youngish looking at the beginning of the movie? Apply makeup to make him look completely different as the movie progresses. Although, of course, he still looks nothing like Picard.

5. Picard too cerebral a character? Have him stand shellshocked after conveniently impaling his clone with a metal stick on the wall he magically knew was designed for that purpose, leaving the way clear for Data to slap something on him that beams him back onto the ship.

6. Supership Scimitar exploding in front of crew’s face? Avoid any needless physicality by having the crew stare directly into the explosion, unprotected by any viewscreen.

7. Ending not static enough? Simply show the ship in a cage-like spacedock; avoid showing that the adventure continues — it’s implied! — and, in particular, don’t show the USS Titan or hint that Starfleet has any of the massive fleet they specifically mentioned were assembling against the supership. See also: Does Starfleet has any idea that the Enterprise is missing during the entire battle involving four massive ships, including two massive Romulan warbirds as well as said flagship of the fleet>

8. Starfleet too big? Simple solution: Avoid even a single visual communication with it after the initial contact with Janeway; this also helps augment the sense of soul-crushing claustrophobia you really want in an epic space film.

9. Film too exciting? Never fear — simply avoid any sustained crescendo that would wake the audience. Instead, lull them to sleep with slow leitmotifs that are also conveniently downbeat and self-contained.

10. Film colorists charging by the color? Simple solution: Make everything a shade of green, which has a remarkable dynamic range all its own, all the way from dark green to darkish pea-color.

That said, I still think Nemesis was a pretty good film; just not one of the best Star Treks.

184. NCC-73515 - December 14, 2012

Having wrong deck numbers and wrong ship diagrams didn’t help XD
I am very sad that the sequels were never made. They called it the _beginning_ of TNG’s last journey.

185. MP - December 14, 2012

Nemesis is a good movie if you don’t pay any attention to the plot. Once you read the stardestroyer.net synopsis that someone already linked to, it’s all over.

186. Jeyl - December 14, 2012

I’m going to quote SF Debris on one particular issue that I’m surprised no one has brought up yet. When you start to think about it, it really does sound like everyone involved in making Nemesis were all a bunch of bullies.

“What’s a real disgrace is the treatment of LeVar Burton in all this. The guy’s been stuck for seven years in one movie wearing a stupid prop on his face. He had the role of glorified extra throughout all the films and he’s one of the cast members who least needs to deal with sh**. Yet Stuart Baird was convinced that Geordi was an alien. Why? Is it because he’s a black guy with blue eyes? Because if that’s it, I’m pulling this planet over and giving everyone a stern talking to. He also kept calling Burton “Lavern”, which is the kind of mistake that should happen no more than once. Burton’s been nominated or won awards for acting, presenting, speaking, composing, directing and producing. Stuart has been nominated, never won, just nominated for his work in editing. Yes, the director to breath new life into this franchise was LESS EXPERIENCED THAN THE MAN WHO’S NAME HE COULDN’T EVEN PRONOUNCE PROPERLY. Was less acclaimed even in his own field of expertise and in fact only got this job because he agreed to edit Mission Impossible 2 and Tomb Raider. The only thing that this man has ever done that has entertained me was cutting together those long shots of Lara Croft’s rack bouncing in slow motion…. Ok, I’m exaggerating there. Editing is a very important part of the film process, which is why it’s such a pity that it’s so lackluster in this film.”

Here is a link to a list of LeVar Burton’s awards and nominations he’s received over the years.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000996/awards

Now here’s Stuart Baird’s list.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000829/awards

Also consider the fact that LeVar Burton has directed 29 episodes spanning four of the Star Trek series, from TNG all the way to ENT. Yeah, Star Trek Nemesis really was a well thought out movie, wasn’t it?

187. Robert - December 14, 2012

I felt that Nemesis was empty, that it lacked the real sense of loyalty and friendship, along with it lacked the sense of suspense and terror. Plus it seemed to lack any real sophistication in the movie itself. I felt if they had used much if the plot or script of Star Trek 11, Nemesis could have bees saved.

Also I have a gut feeling that Star Trek Into Darkness is what Nemesis should have been.

188. Hat Rick - December 14, 2012

I am a staunch Star Trek fan. I’m afraid I disagree with stardestroyer.net on most things because it is simply has an anti-Trek bias. So I will not be reading what that site has to say about Nemesis.

I may not believe that Nemesis is a particularly good Star Trek movie, but as a movie, it’s better than the majority of fare out there and I don’t want it trashed by nonfans.

It’s kind of a family thing with me. Between family members, we can bash each other all we want. But if you’re not part of theTrek family, I’m not really interested in your insults and I will defend against them.

Although I’m also a Star Wars fan, I don’t identify with its future and if I had to choose one over the other, I’d go with Trek in a Federation minute.

189. T'cal - December 14, 2012

As is usual with Trek & Batman films, I saw it a few times at the theater. It was different with NEM, though, because I wasn’t happy after seeing it the first time. I went back giving it a second and third try but this movie was flat but with some great moments scattered throughout.

Likes:
* The wedding of Will & Deanna – a long time coming
* The brief appearance of Wesley – but why in uniform?
* The scene with Will & Deanna in their quarters – Imzadi!
* The scene in stellar cartography between Picard & Data – the human experience
* The scene in which Data shuts down B4 – Spiner’s dual performance is great
* The ramming of the Enterprise into the Scimitar – a cool effect
* Data becomes human – by making the ultimate sacrifice, he becomes as human as he’ll ever be by dying; excellent end for a great character
* The reactions by the senior staff to Data’s death – just great, especially Geordi’s

Dislikes:
* The unexplained appearance of Wesley – a missed opportunity
* The unexplained appearance of Worf – why is he there?
* The failed attempts throughout the film that disgraced such wonderful charaters as Data & Worf – a common theme in TNG films, I’m afraid
* Admiral Janeway with two stars – the scene was written so generically that any character could’ve spoken those lame lines like perhaps Adm. Jellico again played by Ronny Cox
* The entire scene with the dune buggy, finding B4, etc. – poor dialog
* The scene in which the Enterprise somehow backs out the Scimitar – Scotty swore we could not change the laws of physics
* The inclusion of B4 over all – a very weak character that takes away the drama of Data’s death
* Will not remembering the song that Data tried to whistle in their first meeting; his dialog was very awkward
* The exclusion of the deleted scenes, especially the one with Beverly & Picard and the one with Data & Picard

There’s more good and bad, of course, but the running themes here are that much more often than not the script was weak, the editing poor, and the writing lame. TNG revived this franchise to be a billion dollar industry spawning TV sequels, movies, books, toys, games, music, etc. It deserves a better send off because it can be very successful if done correctly; NEM wasn’t.

Give the reigns for TV Trek to Jonathan Frakes and LeVar Burton to run. They are successful directors and truly care about this great series so let them manage whatever iteration of Trek is next for the small screen. That’s where TNG-era Trek excels because a weekly series allows for an ensemble cast to develop its characters and their relationships.

190. JimGrant1701 - December 14, 2012

One of the best Next Gen movies and the soundtrack was awesome.
I think there were two main problems:
1) “Why should I go to the movies for something I could see on TV?”
2) The creators keep trying to appeal to a mass audience (Star Trek was not popular in it’s time) and we always have to have a madman villain… That’s what the fatigue is over in my opinion. Star Trek was never about the crew facing off against a crazy week after week after week.

191. Horatio - December 14, 2012

Most of how I feel has already been voiced but, what the heck, i’ll throw in my two cents as well.
The whole Shinzon/Picard clone concept was ill advised. Again, another vengeance story with the bad guy out to destroy Earth. Sound familiar?
I vote B4 as the Jar Jar Binks of the Trek Universe. Enough said there.
The end was so much like the Wrath of Khan I wanted to pull out what lilttle hair I had remaining. And proof that Rick Berman had way over stayed his regency of the franchise.

192. not a fan of nemesis - December 14, 2012

Wow. How can the author of this article possibly think that the lighting on Kolarus III was “excellent”. It was one of the most clichéd parts of one of the worst scenes of the movie.

193. Aqua - December 14, 2012

I rewatched it 10 years later, regretted it.

194. John Tenuto - December 14, 2012

#192

The same way I think of everything!

195. John Tenuto - December 14, 2012

#192

The same way you think it is not.

196. BitterTrekkie - December 14, 2012

I didn’t hate Nemesis but I thought it could have been better.
My main complaint was the lack of Romulans in the so called Romulan movie.
Still WAY better then JJTrek, though.

197. myself - December 14, 2012

Worst Trek film since TMP.
Terrible script, terrible direction.
Ripped off previous story lines.
Brent seemed to have a Poochie complex.
Hardy was not believable.
Dire.

But at least not as bad as the 2009 film!

198. Trekzilla - December 14, 2012

It just sucked. What else can be said? LOL!!
It was so bad, I was hoping the joystick would put in an appearance just to break up the monotony of it!

199. Admiral Rex - December 14, 2012

It was the first Star Trek movie that I wasn’t excited about seeing. There just didn’t seem to be anything special or epic about it. The marketing made it look like the previous two movies with an unknown villain. I heard that there will be little screen time of Romulans. I didn’t believe this would be the final journey. So what is making this one special, especially after a less-than-epic Insurrection?

I saw it opening weekend and thought it was OK. It just seemed like they took ideas that worked in previous Star Trek movies and infused them into this. It didn’t feel new and original.

The box office results turned out to reflex my enthusiasm…low. But don’t get me wrong, I like the movie, but I think it was too dark, very little fun, and a retread of past movies. Since it’s home release, I’ve probably have watched it four times which is a lot less than other Star Trek movies. I recently bought the novelization thinking I might like it better.

Twitter: @Admiral_Rex

200. John Tenuto - December 14, 2012

#199:

Hi Admiral Rex, sometime today I believe, there will be another article I wrote availble on TrekMovie about the merchandise, and there is some discussion of the novelization. I hope you enjoy it!

John

201. I wanted it to be at the very least "so bad it's good" it wasn't. - December 14, 2012

Balled my eyes out for a good 10 mins after the credits rolled. Hell, after the word “Goodbye”… But have spent a good deal more time metaphorically balling my eyes out since then over the massive flaws in the film, hell, even The Final Frontier gets more respect from me because th dude that directed it believed in what he was doing, and had respect for trek even if that respect didn’t quite make it as a sucessful film due to ego. With nemesis, while the editing was brilliant, the direction was the lynch pin of failure. Stuart Baird, you were a gun fire hire, if we wanted loyalty we would have preferred another franks film, if we wanted someone else’s opinion, I would have wanted Meyer back. We got someone’s opinion that just accentuated all the imperfections of trek that we didn’t really careabout before and sugar coated it with a few fangasms that could be easily forgotten after wiping with a tissue.

202. mrspock - December 14, 2012

And J.J.Abrams destroyed the original romulus!!!! Is this idea better??????

And the next world was vulcan!!!

Is this really good??????

I think “Nemesis” was much more better than Star Trek 2009

203. JimJ - December 14, 2012

It’s a movie that makes me crazy! There are things in it that I absolutely love. Some of the music cues (gotta love Goldsmith), beauty shots of the ship, the obvious family feeling between characters, etc. were top notch. I was fine with the wedding stuff, the humor, the Troi/Riker leaving the ship thing, etc. I also was entralled by Shinzon’s ship and the idea of Picard ramming the Enterprise into it.

BUT, this stupid clone garbage!!!!!! Why did Shinzon have to be a clone of Picard? Worthless trash that added no drama at all. Better to make him more like a new dangerous Romulan (easily possible). The Data/B4 clone story was absolutely stupid! Why kill Data? Contrived and a retread of Spock 100%. It’s my biggest concern with the new movie coming in May. They’d better not retread TWOK or that movie will have no staying power, either!

Stuart Baird was the biggest problem. Shame on Paramount dissing Frakes just because they thought Insurrection underperformed. He had delivered with First Contact and should have given him one last shot! I still say that it was a mistake to let ANY actors write the original script, though. John Logan is a fine writer, but I’m sure Spiner threw in the Data sacrifice thing. Actors should act, writers should write IMO. Anyway….

I like it, at times, better than other times. My order of the movies in order of preference:

1. JJ Trek
2. Star Trek 4
3. Star Trek 2
4. Star Trek: 1st Contact
5. Star Trek 6
6. Star Trek 3
7. Star Trek: Nemesis
8. Star Trek: Insurrection
9. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
10. Star Trek 5
11. Star Trek: Generations (the beginning of the end of pre-JJ Trek-HUGE mistake of a movie, and, don’t get me started-lol)

204. Admiral Rex - December 14, 2012

#200:

Looking forward to it! Thanks!

Twitter: @Admiral_Rex

205. ML31 - December 14, 2012

Always felt Nemesis got a bad rap. It was actually the 2nd best TNG feature in my book. Not NEARLY as bad as Insurrection. I always felt it was jealousy from TNG fans because their final film was not as good as TOS’ final film, The Undiscovered Country.

206. steve - December 14, 2012

Honestly ALL of the TNG films were bad in varying degrees. Even First Contact, which most people seemed to like, looks very low budget, and was chocked full of corny dialogue and some serious over-acting. (And is that the one that focused so much on Worf having a zit? Man, the TNG guys could just never write decent comedy…)

207. Trekzilla - December 14, 2012

The Undiscovered Country was perfect closure for TOS cast.

All Good Things was perfect closure for the TNG cast. It ended logically, as a bookend to Encounter At Farpoint.

The more of something that’s made, the greater the opportunity for duds.

208. Phil - December 14, 2012

I liked it, not as much as others, but Trek 5 and Generations still hold the distinction as being the worst outings for the franchise…in my humble opinion…

209. OldDarth - December 14, 2012

The lowest point in the Trek filmography. None of the TNG movies were great. First Contact was solid – the rest average to weak.

210. jerr - December 14, 2012

This was the only Trek movie that I did not go to the theater to watch. Who want to watch Data die?

211. Admiral Rex - December 14, 2012

#210:

But we didn’t really think he was “dead” since he downloaded his memories into B4.

Hmm, I wonder where they got that idea? “Remember…”

212. Dan Myers - December 14, 2012

Destroying the Enterprise, dealing with an overwhelming (and over the top) opponent and having another surprise brother/mother/father/sibling/clone/whatever storyline have all become chiched Trek gimmicks meant to rake in box office dollars.. not tell a story true to the genre or to the fans… The movie was okay. Seeing all our heroes going off on another journey was fun as always… but I was annoyed with such gimmicks…

213. Gary Makin - December 14, 2012

It should be re-edited.

214. Trekzilla - December 14, 2012

TNG movies were unnecessary and pointless…and ultimately unsatisfying.

Should have ended it with All Good Things — which was a high point in the history of TNG.

215. Bender Bending Rodriguez - December 14, 2012

I was disappointed with ST:Nemesis, too.

First, it didn’t feel like ST; it was too dark. It felt like a vampire movie – not the sexy, young vampires of today, but like Bella Lagosi’s “Dracula”. (That creepy line “may I touch your hair?” was too much.) All of the ST movies, even with their different looks, still felt like ST. This one did not.

Second, Shinzon was a very weak character. We were all supposed to be wowed at him being Picard’s clone. However, it just didn’t work. This young human in goofy leather outfits sitting in the center of his Reman crew just seemed awkward. Plus, we were supposed to believe that despite being thrown into the depths of Romulan prison hell he could, from his cell, rise to power, have a huge ship constructed and then overthrow the Romulan Senate. If he was just a tool for Romulan intelligence, why didn’t they just shoot him when the project was cancelled?

Lastly, what I consider to be one of the worst continuity errors in ST history was the scene where Picard and Dr. Crusher where in the ready room looking at a picture of what was supposed to be a young Picard (it was Tom Hardy in a Starfleet uniform). The young “Picard” is BALD! Everyone who likes ST:TNG knows that young Picard had hair. This was bad because it’s obvious they were trying to sell the audience on Shinzon being a clone and the way they did it was by having Tom Hardy dress up in a Starfleet uniform and pose for a picture. They should have done it better, and for reasons unknown wouldn’t or couldn’t..

I ended up seeing it twice. Usually I see ST movies more than once out of joy. But this time I went back to see if maybe I missed something the first time. Unfortunately, I did not.

In the end, I put it in the same category as ST:V – mediocre Trek is better than no Trek. I don’t watch ST:V and ST:Nemesis regularly, but every once in awhile I put them in the DVD player. In its own strange way, small doses of so-so Trek is its own pleasure.

216. Mark - December 14, 2012

It was a weird mixture of edgy (rape sequence), silly (desert chase) and maudlin (conclusion). Overall, it was too brooding an outing to be considered Roddenberryesque, and like it or not, the farther Trek gets from the Great Bird, the worse off it is. The longer script, really, is not much better than the final cut- no Gladiator is Nemesis.

217. mhansen0207 - December 15, 2012

At the time I didn’t hate Nemesis, but looking back, this movie had HUGE problems and I think it’s sad that the TNG crew had to go out on this somber,dour note than the more optimistic Star Trek VI.

When you finish The Undiscovered Country, you feel like the crew had a real “We won at life” moment. Walking out of Nemesis felt like walking out of a funeral or a wake.

And to those of you who think the franchise went “south” after this fim…..well if going south meant getting in some new blood, fresh writers, a new director who wanted to shake things up, and making an exciting Star Trek movie that made more money than any other Star Trek movie and single-handedly revitalized the dying franchise…..well then, by all means, let the franchise go south!

Honestly, JJ Trek whiners make me laugh and roll my eyes simultaneously.

218. NX01 - December 15, 2012

The problem with this movie is that the story sucked. To have a good movie, you have to have a good story. With Nemesis, I can’t say the story was even remotely compelling. Not once during TNG’s run did I ever wonder what Picard would be like if he were captive from birth on a Romulan slave planet. It’s just not at all interesting. We already got a look at what an alternate life would have turned out for Picard in Tapestry. THAT was a compelling story, and a great 44 minutes of TNG. So why another?

And I still don’t understand Shinzon’s rage against humanity? Seriously? Against the Romulans, yes. Totally get that. But what did humanity ever do to him?

If they really wanted to do a movie about Picard’s Nemesis (Picard’s Khan I guess) and have the Romulans involved, they should have done something with Tomalak. It would have been a natural fit (both with a hatred of Picard, AND humanity), there was history there, and it could have been much more interesting, to say the least.

Couple that with all the sets being so frickin dark, and the overall experience was just bleh.

I did like the battle sequence, although I never understood why they only had/fired a few quantum torpedo’s and seemed to go primarily with photon’s, when First Contact suggested they used the former as their primary heavy weapon. And how the hell did the Scimitar catch Enterprise so easily when they had a decent head start?

219. dub - December 15, 2012

If Patrick Stewart played Shinzon, the movie would have been 10x better. Similarly, if Leonard Nimoy played Sybok in V, that would have been a much better movie. Combined with different directors, we could have had two much improved movies and possibly some of the most loved among the Trek movies. But it’s always easy to think of these things looking back…

220. Mel - December 15, 2012

I saw the Star Trek movies 7-11 in the cinema and I must say I overall enjoyed movies 1-6 (on TV) and 11 the most. The TNG characters were just never so engaging to me than the TOS characters. Star Trek 7 was also kind of sad, because Kirk died. That wasn’t something I wanted to see.

221. Tom - December 16, 2012

Thank god for Nemesis – without it we would never have seen Mr. Plinket’s review which is one of the funniest things on the internet!

222. John Smith - December 16, 2012

If they had cut out the Shinzon and B4 plotlines, shed more light on the Remans and their culture and tied the storyline into the Romulan peace movement that Spock started, it could’ve made for a better film.

223. Damian - December 16, 2012

You know, I liked Nemesis, I really did. When I saw it (I hadn’t read any reviews–usually critics aren’t big on Star Trek anyway), I thought it was a good Star Trek film. Not the best, but I could never figure out why it’s bashed by so many Star Trek fans. I can see why maybe it didn’t fair well with the general public. That can be a fair criticism. But as a self professed Trekkie, I had no issues with it. In fact, I saw some parallels with Star Trek (2009). The Enterprise ramming the Scimitar (much like the Kelvin ramming the Narada), the creepy and dark Scimitar reminded me of the dark Narada; the character of Schinzon and Nero were even similar, though they both had different motivations. The fight between Riker and the Viceroy had similarities to the fight between Kirk and Nero’s henchman. There were also a fair amount of lens flares in Nemesis :). It even was a bit emotional. In Star Trek (2009) we had the emotional self sacrifice in George Kirk, and in Nemesis it was Data. I still can’t help getting a misty when they toast Data in the ready room and Troi loses it.

I thought Nemesis was a decent, solid Star Trek film. Not the best, but still better than many films out today and it’s about a middle of the road Star Trek film for me. I admit it draws on Wrath of Khan a bit too much, but I really can’t blame them for going to that well. The special effects were better than average, considering ILM wasn’t involved (certainly far better than TFF), and you can’t go wrong with Goldsmith as your composer. It actually had stonger character moments than the other TNG films, and it seemed to give the other cast members a larger role. It also had a protracted battle scene that was well done.

224. Adam - December 16, 2012

I like the film, my problem is that I feel that Data was robbed of what made him most human. The ability to sacrifice himself for those he cares about. His “rebirth” in B4 robbed him of is sacrifice and left the whole crew in my opinion trying to rebuilt a friend they had lost as if they had not lost him. This turned to movie for me. I still do on occasion watch it as it has a good story and good effects. I wish that B4 had not been given Data’s essence so to speak.

225. lazarusnine - December 17, 2012

I found Nemesis to be shockingly bad. It was my senior year of high school and I just remember walking out of the theater realising that Star Trek was dead. For some reason, the melodrama of ‘Enterprise’ had not yet nailed the coffin for me, but Nemesis truly did. I never obsessed over the show/movies in the same way again. While I enjoy returning to TOS/TNG on occasion, I have little motivation to head to theaters the second a ST film comes out (since Nemesis, there’s of course been only one – in that instance, I waited for the reviews). When Benedict Cumberbatch said the word ‘vengeance’ in the newest trailer, I completely shut off. As others have said, the poster for the film just looks like ‘Dark Knight’, ’2012′ and ‘Day After Tomorrow’ all over again. I’ll likely see it and help fuel the flame that is Abram’s Star Trek, but I’ll only have myself to blame.

226. chrisfawkes.com - December 17, 2012

I would have fallen asleep except for all the other snoring keeping me awake.

Three worst films i have ever seen are. Nemesis, Nashville and The Golden Bowl.

Each one i left the theater with a sick feeling that i had wasted two hours of my time and paid for it.

227. Roland - December 17, 2012

As other commenters have stated, Mr. Plinkett nails it in his NSFW review:

http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-trek/star-trek-nemesis/

228. John Tenuto - December 17, 2012

#227

Astonishingly, I prefer my own review! Thanks for the link!

John

229. Billy Lone - December 17, 2012

My big problem is that some of the main characters were pushed into being background characters ala Beverly and Worf.

The next problem is that the story was overly focused on Picard, Data and Shinzon.

The whole Pinnochio storyline with Data was getting old.

Logic problem. Why would Data download his memories including sensitive security data into another android?

Since Picard and Data were in the jet, why don’t they fly around the inside of the Schmiter and shoot it up from the inside?

230. Hat Rick - December 17, 2012

Very good points. And I still say that part of the problem is the sheer lack of photons on the screen. It was too physically dark. The color palette was just incredibly narrow.

The exception was the beginning of the movie with the wedding scenes. I thought those scenes were nice. But they weren’t enough to make the rest of the movie too much better.

The color scheme for the Kolarus planet was also fairly unappealing. Oversaturated tans and browns, and a musical score that wasn’t all that great. I don’t want to pile on and say that the dune buggy itself was simply an absurd concept. This is an era where human beings can fly molecularly through the air. Using a dune buggy would be like using an oxen-pulled cart in the 20th Century. Surely there could have been better options?

Too late; I’ve piled on already. I realize that.

However, I do think that Nemesis improves with age. Just make sure you have lots of coffee before watching it.

231. rob - December 17, 2012

my problem with nemesis has always been how very, very tired everything seems. it’s one of the most predictable and formulaic pieces of ST ever made. there are worse trek movies (TFF) and, god knows, worse episodes, but what i reacted and still react to badly with the film is its lifelessness and utter predictability.

232. rob - December 17, 2012

that being said, i would still rather watch nemesis than a lame jj abrams star-wars-style do-over. nemesis maybe be subpar star trek, but at least its REAL star trek.

233. rocketscientist - December 18, 2012

Nice article! I’d personally rank Nemesis with a 5 out of 10. It’s a decent ST film. Definitely not among the worst (TFF and INS imo), but definitely not among the best (TWOK, TSFS, TVH, TUC, FC, and STXI, basically all the films that are ranked 77% and above on rottentomatoes.com). I’d put it on par with TMP, and, maybe, GEN. It’s one of those ST films that’s a mixed bag. Some stuff worked in it and some stuff didn’t. I think it was really hurt by the previous film’s performance. I hated INS. It had a weak and sappy story that was completely unsuitable for a ST film. Yes, all the previous STXI films (with the exception of TMP) had budgets much lower than the SW films, but that doesn’t mean they can’t be great. TWOK, TSFS, TVH, TUC, and FC proved that. So NEM had INS riding on it, just like TUC was affected by TFF’s poor performance. The difference was that while TUC’s performance was markedly better than TFF’s (it obviously would’ve been better if TFF had done better), NEM’s was far far worse, both critically and wrt box office than INS, despite, imo, being a better film. It certainly had problems. It had some pacing issues, it was too gloomy, the dune buggy sequence was just an embarrasment, and Data’s death, like Kirk’s, just wasn’t exploited dramatically as much as Spock’s or the original Enterprise’s were. Personally, I think it was very foolish and unnecessary to kill Data. I just don’t understand why him sacrificing his life made him more human. He showed over and over many times that he was willing to do so. I thought it was a bad call, killing the one character that was, essentially, immortal. Heck, they could’ve done flashforward at the end of NEM with Data relating the final mission of Picard and company to a dedication or something to Picard in San Franscisco a hundred years later or something like that.

Anyway, wrt context, NEM was really Rick Berman’s last shot at saving the franchise. He needed it to be a hit. Sadly, due to some of his choices, especially wrt Stuart Baird and the story, it failed spectacularly. ENT died a bit later and that was it. On the plus side, it got Berman and Braga out of control of the franchise and Abrams and company in the driver seat and a reincarnation of TOS! I loved ST XI! Good times are here again!

234. John Tenuto - December 18, 2012

#233

Thanks for the kind words. I like that idea about the film showing Data sharing adventures of the crew! Excellent!

John

235. Damian - December 19, 2012

233–I largely agree with your review. I thought Nemesis was a good Star Trek film with some flaws. The whole clone thing was a bit hamhanded, but Tom Hardy was a good enough actor that I could overlook that. I loved the fact it finally focused on Romulus. It was nice to give the Klingons a rest for a while.

Paramount also dropped the ball by releasing it when they did, opposite Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter and Die Another Day. I mean, that would even be a lot of competition for Star Trek (2009). Fortunately, Paramount seemed to learn their lesson this time. As much as I hate waiting 5 more months, I think Paramount is wise to wait until May, when the competition will be less fierce. I think Star Trek Into Darkness will do great, but why tempt fate.

236. Adam Bomb 1701 - December 19, 2012

I enjoyed the movie. I saw it with a lady friend who had just bought a BMW. The movie allowed me to unwind after a particularly long day. My friend was a big fan of “Next Gen”, and (IIRC) Data in particular. We saw it on the first day of release, and the theater was nowhere near filled to capacity; this was for a late afternoon show in a major New Jersey theater (the Loew’s multiplex on Route 18 in New Brunswick). I knew then that was a sign of trouble.
Stuart Baird edited “Skyfall”, which John Logan helped write. I wonder if they had a conversation during “Skyfall”‘s production regarding the poor public reaction to “Nemesis”.

237. Damian - December 19, 2012

236–It’s probably doubtful Baird and Logan met during the production of Skyfall, since they largely work at opposite ends of making a movie.

I drive my wife nuts with Star Trek trivia, when I see someone who worked on Star Trek previously. She hates Star Trek. She used to love watching 7th Heaven and I used to drive her crazy since the 2 stars, Stephen Collins and Catherine Hicks were both in 2 different Star Trek movies. I love driving her crazy.

238. ken1w - December 20, 2012

One surprising missed opportunity. When they were writing, planning, and filming Nemesis, they must have been thinking about the possibility for another TNG film. The actors were certainly speculating about the possibility, during the usual talk show stops and interviews before the film premiered.

B4, being a less advanced prototype for Data (and Lore), should have been played by a different (younger) actor, someone the age of Brent Spiner when he first played Data. Dr. Soong would not have wanted his likeness to be inspiration for the “throwaway test model,” so it even makes sense.

Brent Spiner would have been too old to play B4 for another TNG film after Nemesis. The younger actor could have “taken over,” as B4 “remembers” being Data, and eventually becomes Data. It would have been even more interesting if there were intentional character differences between old Data and new Data, just as each Doctor (in “Dr. Who”) is the same yet different.

Unfortunately, it did not matter because of the box office failure of Nemesis, so it was appropriate (and touching) that Brent Spiner shared the final TNG scene with Patrick Stewart.

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