Watch: William Shatner Beams Into Oscars As Capt. Kirk |
jump to navigation

Watch: William Shatner Beams Into Oscars As Capt. Kirk February 24, 2013

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Celebrity,Shatner,Viral Video/Mashup/Images , trackback

The Academy Awards were held tonight in Hollywood and the opening     of the show, hosted by big Star Trek fan Seth MacFarlane, featured William Shatner reprising his role as Captain Kirk. Watch how Kirk traveled through time to help Seth below.  



Capt. Kirk saves the Oscars

On tonight’s telecast of the Academy Awards William Shatner returned to his Star Trek role for a special appearance. Shatner appeared ‘on screen’ as Kirk during Seth MacFarlane’s opening bit. The notion was Kirk had traveled through time to save MacFarlane from the mistakes he was about to make including doing a song called "We saw your boobs." Watch the entire opening below (via Mediaite).


You can also watch the clip at Mediaite and



1. FriendofSonic - February 24, 2013

This was pretty awesome to see him in the uniform once more.

2. Bob - February 24, 2013


3. Copper Based Blood - February 24, 2013


Shatner is Kirk!!!

4. TheSTN - February 24, 2013

HA! Love Shatner! Best captain in Star Trek. Period.

5. DonDonP1 - February 24, 2013

Cool! Also ealier this evening, when Seth McFarlane introduced “Star Trek Into Darkness” co-stars Chris Pine and Zoe Salanda to present the Scientific and Technical Awards, the Oscar Orchestra and conductor William Ross (who co-orchestrated Dennis McCarthy’s score to 1994’s “Star Trek: Generations”) performed Jerry Goldsmith’s march theme from “Star Trek: The Motion Picture.” Fascinating, eh?

6. LLAP - February 24, 2013

Like a boss. Damn I love William Shatner.

7. Giez - February 24, 2013

too bad they didn’t have spock too. That was good, everyone loves Shat. Was surprised to see no STID trailer…

wouldn’t this be a good time to remind people?

8. norez - February 24, 2013

What an incredible surprise. I’m lucky enough to be a McFarlane fan, so I thought the whole show was pretty entertaining, but that opening, though – just to see “my” Kirk (maybe one last time!) was really special.

9. C Miles - February 24, 2013


Six Degrees of Trek at Oscars tonight

Oh, and having watched the credits.. I noticed they actually credited CBS for providing William Shatner’s costume.

10. Mark Wood - February 24, 2013


Films aren’t allowed to buy commercial time during the Oscars.

11. Aldo F. Rodriguez - February 24, 2013

Massive Star Trek representation tonight at the Oscars: William Shatner, Chris Pine, Zoë Saldana, Christopher Plummer, Seth McFarlane (thank you, fellow Trekker),…

12. The Original Spock's Brain - February 24, 2013

What a GREAT surprise. I bet it was Seth MacFarlane idea.

13. Gary S - February 24, 2013

I NEVER mIssThe Oscars.
I am curious,How many people were watching it ,
And how many people were tweetied about Shatners appearance?

14. Gary S - February 24, 2013

“tweetied”, I meant tweeted of course.

15. T2 - February 24, 2013

That was almost as good as the DirecTV commercial a few years back. What a thrill to see Shatner, in a pretty good uniform, on a decent presentation of the ‘A’. They did their homework.

Yet another reason I enjoy Seth and his work. Awesome!

16. Red Dead Ryan - February 24, 2013


Perhaps the academy should allow trailers for upcoming films.

With hundreds of millions of people watching the Oscars live around the world, “Star Trek Into Darkness” would have gotten a huge publicity and marketing boost.

Sounds like a no-brainer to me.

17. Jason S. - February 24, 2013

Shatner IS Captain Kirk, end of story! Man I wish he’d do more Star Trek!

18. vantheman77 - February 24, 2013

It’s good to see William Shatner reprising his role as the Captain Kirk of the prime universe. He can still pull it off and JJ Abrams should have used him in the reboot Star Trek movies. I’d love to see Shatner’s Kirk meet Chris Pine’s Kirk.

19. Kirk - February 24, 2013

Comedy chops. Very funny!

20. Duane Boda - February 24, 2013

Am I being too critical in saying Mr. Shatner’s

dental work needed some overdue attention?

Boy…he’s milking the Kirk character for every

last nickel and dime he can get – a bit sad.

21. Theatre Historian_Levi - February 24, 2013

Mark Wood,
there were 3 movies that had commercials durring the show.
Oz, Jack the giant slayer, and The Heat.

22. Hat Rick - February 24, 2013

Shatner’s still got it.

Best. Oscars. Ever.

23. Theatre Historian_Levi - February 24, 2013

Loved seeing shatner as kirk one more time.
overall was not impressed with Seth.

Highlights for me were
Shatner as Kirk
Dame Shirley Bassey
and the Les Mis number.

And Kudos for the AMPAS going the extra mile of having Mike Okuda do the bridge graphics for the Shatner footage.

24. K-7 - February 24, 2013

The music should have been Enterprising Young Man and the skit should have had Pine instead of Shatner in it.

25. Curious Cadet - February 24, 2013

@9. C Miles,
“I noticed they actually credited CBS for providing William Shatner’s costume.”

Geez. The least CBS could have done was cleaned it first in exchange for that credit. Kirk had some serious ring-around-the-collar … I was actually embarrassed for Bill …

26. dmduncan - February 24, 2013

Shatner didn’t look bad back in that uniform.

See, like I said. De-age that guy for a “grainy” hologram sequence, and the Shatner scene would’ve worked flawlessly.

Bad call, JJ. Bad call.

27. MJ - February 24, 2013

Actually for the opening of the Oscars, a buffoon version of Captain Kirk was required. Since Pine at this point in his career can play a real and believable Captain Kirk, I’m glad he didn’t participate. Far better for the Jackie-Gleason-like “tons-of-fun” bombastic Shat to play the Star Trek clown Kirk and let everyone in the world laugh at Star Trek.

28. MJ - February 24, 2013

“Geez. The least CBS could have done was cleaned it first in exchange for that credit. Kirk had some serious ring-around-the-collar … I was actually embarrassed for Bill.”

Yea, it was a bit uncomfortable to look at.

29. Herb Finn - February 24, 2013

Well, Seth finally got to work with Shatner! :)

30. The Original Spock's Brain - February 24, 2013

@ 10
The show is already a four-hour commercial for the industry. Most Americans haven’t seen any of the films nominated. But now some of them will buy and rent them. What have Pine or Saldana ever won? They were there to promote Star Trek. Meanwhile, the network wants to sell ad time to the highest bidders. Why would Hollywood pay millions for ad time to ABC to promote itself on its own show?

31. Pensive's Wetness - February 24, 2013

Indeed that was a awesome clip :D

32. MJ - February 24, 2013

@30. Hmm, pretty much 90% everyone I know has seen Argo, Lincoln and Zero Dark Thirty.

33. The Original Spock's Brain - February 24, 2013

I meant @16 Red Dead Ryan. Sorry.

34. The Original Spock's Brain - February 24, 2013

@32. MJ. So you know “most” Americans. Brilliant.

35. Mong - February 24, 2013

Leave Shatner alone, it was a bit. Zero Dark Thirty was garbage.

36. MJ - February 24, 2013

@34. Maybe you are trying to be clever or something…not getting your comment. I would mention that those three movies I mentioned made about half a billion dollars combined — that’s a lot of money for movies nominated for academy awards, so yes, a lot of people have seen them, and in my group of the people I hang around with — all of us big time movie goers — most of us have seen at least 2, if not all three of these.

37. Red Dead Ryan - February 24, 2013


Paramount paid CBS millions to promote STID during the Super Bowl. Why would it be any different for the Oscars?


He was talking about the people he knew personally, not every American in the country.

38. Hat Rick - February 24, 2013

What’s weird is that I haven’t seen any of the films featured in the Oscar’s show. Not even “Skyfall.” I just haven’t been a movie-going mood this past year. I did see the 9-minute STID preview, though, although I was unable to see the movie it was attached to.

I’ve been meaning to see “Lincoln” as well as “Skyfall.” I’m not in a mood to see a quasi-realistic film like “Argo,” which means I probably won’t see it on DVD or Blu-ray anytime soon.

“Life of Pi” seems very interesting, but again, I haven’t seen it.

I’m glad Hollywood has had a good year and probably will see some of these “name” features when I feel more cinematically inclined.

Nevertheless, I am certain I will see STID on the first day of its release. Because, as a card-carrying Star Trek fan, it’s my duty and obligation; but also because I’m a Star Trek nut.

39. Red Dead Ryan - February 24, 2013

I have seen “Life of Pi”, “Lincoln”, “Argo”, and “Zero Dark Thirty”. All tremendous films.


“Zero Dark Thirty was garbage.”

Your comment is garbage.

40. MJ - February 24, 2013

@38. Agree with you on Argo. Lincoln should have won — and one of the things I hate about Hollywood and the Oscars is that awards get given for the wrong reasons:

– Argo beats Lincoln only because the Academy felt bad about Ben Aflleck.

– Ang Lee gets best director only because the academy always wants to put Spielberg in his place (Life of Pi = most overate movie I saw last year).

– Jessican Chastain loses to Jennifer Lawrence because Lawrence is the “flavor of the month” in Hollywood. Chastain is a true professional actress who can play all kinds of roles; Lawrence just plays the same frightened sobbing dramatic part over and over in her movies.

41. MJ - February 24, 2013

@35 “Zero Dark Thirty was garbage.”

What a moronic statement.

42. BRF - February 24, 2013

Only Shatner could both be Kirk and have fun with the character of Kirk like that. Hats off to McFarlane and Shatner. They both seemed to be having fun, and it showed. (And #20: I doubt nickels and dimes had anything to do with this.) Terrific job.

43. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - February 24, 2013

Shatner was Fantastic as Captian Kirk. Was great seeing him back in uniform.
I saw Lincoln and it was a fantastic movie. Mr lewis Truly deserved it. The Other’s I have not seen. But Argo is something I am interested in seeing.

44. Red Dead Ryan - February 24, 2013


I thought “Argo” was a deserving winner. But I wouldn’t have had a problem seeing “Lincoln” win it, either.

I thought “Life of Pi” was great, though I agree that Steven Spielberg should have won. It came down to politics/political correctness.

Jessica Chastain was the star of “Zero Dark Thirty”. A great actress. She’ll be nominated again in the future, I am sure.

45. The Original Spock's Brain - February 24, 2013

@32 MJ.
Since objective facts and data seem to elude you, here are some box office numbers:

Argo: $129 million domestically in 4 months.
Lincoln: $178 million domestically in 3 months.
Zero Dark Thirty: $91 million domestically in 2 months.

At an average movie ticket price of $8, Lincoln has sold approximately 22.5 million tickets. The U.S. population is 313 million.

46. MJ - February 24, 2013

@43. Lewis’s portrayal of Lincoln I think may be the finest acting I have ever seen in any movie of all time. Peter O’Toole in Lawrence of Arabia and Al Pacino in The Godfather are the only comparisons I can come up with.

47. Mong - February 24, 2013

If you want to get all weepy and patriotic about this fictional propaganda film, go ahead. “Zero” is one of those movies that relies on the ignorance of people still hypnotized by 9/11 malarkey. Oh yeah, so true and accurate. Mmmmm America! Yay! We gots Osama! Wake up.

48. MJ - February 24, 2013

@45. That has got to be the dumbest post of all time. Of course, if you are talking about as a percentage of total population, then even most Americans did not see Avengers and Dark Knight Rises last year. So? Congrats on your technical point…LOL

49. Hat Rick - February 24, 2013

I liked Ang Lee’s “Hulk” movie even though it wasn’t a success. I thought, for example, that Eric “Nero” Bana did a great job in that movie. For that reason, I’m happy Lee won Best Director in part as vindication, as I thought his “Hulk” movie was under-rated

The other recent “Hulk” movie didn’t speak to me and made such a minor impression on me that I can’t remember anything about it. By contrast, I can still see scenes — for example, the scenes of the Hulk jumping across the Southwest, and the F-22 scenes — from Lee’s movie quite vividly in my mind.

50. Red Dead Ryan - February 24, 2013

Claire Danes put in a performance of a lifetime when she played Temple Grandin in an HBO flick.

Liam Neeson was great a Oscar Schindler.

51. Hat Rick - February 24, 2013

^^ I do realize that Lee won for “Life of Pi,” by the way.

52. MJ - February 24, 2013

@47. I am fully read up on all of the historical events concerning the planning and execution fo the Bin Laden raid, and this movie is about as close as you can get to the reality of the nonfiction in the case as is possible in Hollywood. And anyone that sees that movie who comes out all patriotic must have seen a different movie than I an others saw — in fact, I bet you haven’t even seen it (though you will likely pretend here that you did I am sure).

If your dislike of the movie it based on you having crackpot beliefs about OBL, etc. like Orci and some others here that none of this true, and its all fabrication, then I won’t go there with you, because you are beyond help or reasoning with. I feel pity for you.

53. The Original Spock's Brain - February 24, 2013

@48 MJ, you never seize to amaze me with your lack of critical thinking skills.

54. The Original Spock's Brain - February 24, 2013

@ Hat Rick

Lee had also won for Brokeback Moutain.

55. MJ - February 24, 2013

@53. Likewise, my complements to you on your amazing way of twisting things around and your creative use double-entendres as you “attempt” to come across intelligently here.

@54. Ah yes, one of your favorites! ;-)

56. Red Dead Ryan - February 24, 2013


I don’t see any critical thinking on your part, genius. You seem to have an axe to grind with MJ.

57. Hat Rick - February 24, 2013

@TheOriginalSpock’sBrain (54), interesting! A very well-regarded movie, as I recall. Although, again, I haven’t seen it.

Come to think of it, when I have more time, I’m going to have a lot of good movies waiting for me to see them!

As for now, I must admit I’ve been watching entirely too many Seth McFarlane productions, particularly on Sundays. The guy has talent, but he’s starting to monopolize my spare time. And lately some of the gross-out humor has been getting excessively gratuitous (to be a bit redundant) and downright bizarre (such as in tonight’s “American Dad”, which I think must have been a rerun of a recent show).

58. Mong - February 24, 2013

Go watch your mainstream movies MJ. Maybe we can go pop some corn together and watch Transformers or something. It is good to know the government is letting us know EXACTLY what they do behind the scenes.

59. MJ - February 24, 2013

@58. Sure Mong, and you enjoy your alternate world freakshow where the secret government-corporate cabals are out to get you, and Orwellian society is a just around the next corner.

Send me a postcard from The Looking Glass.

60. Red Shirt Diaries - February 24, 2013

Mong, obviously you have not seen ZDT. There is no way anyone comes out of that movie feeling gung-ho, John Wayne-style patriotic. I felt like I needed a shower afterwards, and was mentally drained.

See the movie first before you make your political commentary here. You are coming across like you are completely ignorant of the actual movie.

61. DownstatsSPfromINT - February 24, 2013

boborci, was this canon?

clearly this is jj trying to send a message about who john harrison really is. time travel, who from star trek is a time traveler? obv john harrison is the guardian of forever in disguise

62. LJ - February 24, 2013

I didn’t know where else to post this, but here’s a story about a real-life Enterprise on a real mission of discovery:

63. Gary S - February 24, 2013

It is ironic the last time one of Spielbergs movies lost TheBest Picture Oscar, Saving Private Ryan Lost to Shakespeare In Love a Actors in the middle ages And tonight Lincoln loses to Argo a movie about 20th Century Hollywood and its involvement in a rescue operation.

64. Jim Nightshade - February 24, 2013

Ang lees best work Ive seen….Crouching TIger….the fluidity and beauty of that movie…its Tarantino with beauty….I have mixed feelings re Shat and Seth .,,,at first the trek fan in me went cool awesome knowing seth is a fan…but as others have said…it was just a joke to non trek fans and many complained it went on too long….I also love seth and thought this years awards more watchable than most….the musical tributes were incredible….Loved seeing Adele get an oscard much deserved and shirley the one and only bond songstress singing goldfinger was so great….I was annoyed over the bond tribute movie clips cuz they played some horrible MUZAK version of McCartneys Masterwork Live and let die instead of the real thing and they played that far too long in the clip….
Trek has survived as long as bond so why doesnt the academy do a tribute to trek??? Never happen but it should
Yeh Spielberg is stiffed a lot at the oscars….worst time was COLOR PURPLE nomicated 13 times but not for director…and it was easily and by far the best movie that year….

Argo is another example of Hollywood using JACK KING KIRBY without even acknowledging his existance….the storyboards and stuff in the REAL ARGO were storyboards Jack did for a movie that never got made..instead of using the originals and acknowledging kirby they just had someone else redo em….Disney makes a billion bucks just on the avengers and yet Kirbys family and estate get zip when most of the characters in it co created by kirby and lee…Stan Lee repeats his own story so often he doesnt even mention artists anymore at first he always acknowledged they were just as much involved in the creating process and someone like Kirby even more involved….but he hardly even mentions the artists anymore….just cuz hes still alive he gets all the kudos…

65. Bob Tompkins - February 25, 2013

; Nice to see you back, AP….Seth and The Shat killed at Oscars- no doubts.
Like to see MacFarlane get the TV reboot.

66. Cygnus-X1 - February 25, 2013

Loved it!

67. bardicjim - February 25, 2013

Surprised Seth didn’t use Patrick Stewart.

68. Ignasi - February 25, 2013

JJ, I want Shatner Into Darkness!

69. MONGO - February 25, 2013

Mongo not like Mong comments on Zero Dark Thirty.

Mongo like that Osama rotting at bottom of Atlantic Ocean.

70. crazydaystrom - February 25, 2013

42. BRF –
“Only Shatner could both be Kirk and have fun with the character of Kirk like that.”

Only? Pine could’ve done a great job with the humor, maybe even a better job. But Shat Was great.

“Hats off to McFarlane and Shatner.”


71. mike - February 25, 2013

You can never go wrong with Capt. Kirk. It’s insane not to have him and Spock in the Star Trek reboot flicks.

72. Tobias Richter - February 25, 2013

Bill didn´t fit very well in that uniform, but it was a small highlight. The cutoff of the VFX people was disgusting and the Bond hommage disappointing…

73. crazydaystrom - February 25, 2013

71. Mike –
After the ‘handing off’ of ST’09 I think it would be ‘insane’ to have Shatner and/or Nimoy in the rebooted films.

74. Killamarshtrek - February 25, 2013

Do performers get paid for the Oscar’s Ceremony?

75. Glenn - February 25, 2013

I’ll get to see these films in 20 Years when they release them on Netflix.

76. Jack - February 25, 2013

The nice thing about Pine’s Kirk is that he hasn’t been parodied to death. Shatner’s Kirk has been a regular comedy sketch figure for decades. I wouldn’t want to see Pine do something like this. As it was, he was oddly lifeless (but so were most presenters, including Saldana) during his presentation bit.

Part of the joke was Shatner being Shatner (and doing it well) and the clunkiness of the shakey chair and the tight costume (reminded me of when he’s have to be squeezed into that suit every week for Rescue 911) made it (arguably) funnier. I cringed a little. But, hey, it set up “We Saw Your Boobs.”

but a STID skit obviously designed to promote an upcoming movie would have been terrible, I think. And my parents warching at home wouldhave wondered why some other actor was playing Captain Kirk.

77. Mark Wood - February 25, 2013


I stand corrected. The Oscar used to not allow film trailers (as it might lead some to believe those trailers reflected the quality or the approval of the oscars). That rule lasted from 1953 to 2008.

But while they are now allowed to air them, they have certain restrictions placed upon them. One the commercial spot is supposed to be new, 2. Each studio can only air one ad. 3. THey have to release after a certain date, ect.

Dang had to do some research, its been years since I actually watched a telecast of the oscars, 2003 I think.

78. John - February 25, 2013

Enough allready, geesh the way some of you go at in these forums, over the dumbest things, is just freaking annoying.

If you can’t contribute to a conversation with out a back and fourth kindy-care mentality please don’t force the rest of us to suffer through 30 posts of it.

And it always seems to be the usual suspects, really wish there was a way on here to block reading posts from posters who don’t contribute to the subject at hand.

Ok sorry off my soapbox now,
I personally felt ths years Oscars was not very well done on a whole.
Though I really enjoyed seeing Kirk played again by Shatner.
And you could tell he was having fun with it.

79. John - February 25, 2013

72 I agree, and it was done on purpose, just up the street at Hollywood and Vine hundreds of VFX workers who used to work for Ryhthm and Hues were demonstrating to bring attention to the plight of their company being essentially forced out of business and hundreds of employees being laid off.

The academy producers purposely cut off the Pi acceptance speech when they were about to plead for the execs to not simply stand by and let the creators of such amazing visuals lose everything.

Sorry I have a friend who (for now) still works for Rythm and Hues (without pay for last few weeks) so i found that whole shut them up and turn of their mikes insulting.

80. Ben Yoris - February 25, 2013

I’m so happy to see the Captain once more in the uniform ! Great time !

81. CAPT KRUNCH - February 25, 2013

So awesome to see the SHAT in uniform one more time!…I’m sorry I didn’t watch the show now. Mr McFarlane the not ready fo rprime time player is a genius, and all of the actors love who really thinks the show was that bad…besides it’s always long and boribg until they get to the big stars anyway….JJ you still haev 2 months to get SHAT in this movie…JUST DO IT!

82. Mike - February 25, 2013

Heh, he sang “The Way You Look Tonight” – which was in the DS9 finale ;)

83. BatlethInTheGroin - February 25, 2013

#10: That’s not true. In fact, several films had commercials during the broadcast last night.

84. BatlethInTheGroin - February 25, 2013

#78: How hypocritical–you just did exactly what you’re complaining about.

85. Chris Roberts - February 25, 2013

Roaring with laughter.

Flight with sock puppets!

86. Hat Rick - February 25, 2013

A few more observations:

1. Wow, Anthony sat on Kirk’s appearance on the Oscars until after the fact!


2. I can’t believe that Shatner kept his appearance on the Oscars such a total secret. Bravo!

3. Wouldn’t it be cool if Kirk could tell us how to resolve the looming fiscal sequester issue?

4. In view of the McFarlane question, what does Kirk know about July 2015, exactly? Inquiring minds highly desire such relevant data.

87. Jack - February 25, 2013

Did Oz have commercials in the Oscars because it’s coming out pretty quick anyway, so it’s already in circulation (as opposed to just because it was the Oscars)?

The Superbowl is one thing, but regular Trek ID commercials on TV nearly 3 months would seem like overkill (just my opinion). Maybe it’s because I’m getting sick of those Oz commercials.

I haven’t seen the STID trailer in theatres since The Hobbit, and I’m kind of thrilled by that. I start to lose interest in movies that get hyped for too long — it seems like I’ve seen the trailers for the Will Smith and Tom Cruise scifi flicks everytime I’ve gone to a movie in the last few months.

88. Damian - February 25, 2013

I personally do not pay a lot of attention to the Oscars. They frequently make mind numbing decisions.

I’m a bit biased though. Alfred Hitchcock is my favorite director of all time. And yet the man never won a single Oscar for best director and only one of his films won best picture (Rebecca). I mean, COME ON. Psycho, The Birds, Rear Window, Rope, Strangers on a Train, Foreign Correspondent, Shadow of a Doubt—-no Oscars. Really.

I know, a long time to hold a grudge, especially since his last film came out when I was 2. But I just can’t take an awards show seriously when it snubbed arguably the greatest director of all time.

But, that’s not the only reason I don’t pay much attention. I decided it would be more entertaining to watch an episode of Star Trek (“The Deadly Years” if you care, interesting since Shatner had to play and aged Kirk, and Shatner played a real aged Kirk in the Oscars).

89. Tom - February 25, 2013

JJ blew it. The hologram scene would have worked. It didnt require great physical feats, would not have been embarrasing, and his dialogue encompassed what Star Trek is truly about. Would have bben a great ending to a wonderful reboot. He should have mentioned JJ last night, i think that would have been funny. At least JJ will find a way to shoehorn Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher into episode 7

90. Giez - February 25, 2013

Is Kirk saving the Oscars “CANON” now??

Since it was on TV I assume so….

91. Nony - February 25, 2013

Fun to see Shatner last night! But the very fact that he was used as *Captain Kirk* in a comedy skit in the biggest entertainment show of the year proves exactly why he couldn’t be effective in a serious Trek movie anymore. His Kirk has been used as parody material too often, and people are too familiar with the Shatner persona and everything connected to it besides. To put him in STID would automatically give the scene an unintentional flavour of parody in the eyes of the general non-Trekker audience.

92. Tom - February 25, 2013

Since this is obviously an older Kirk than the one we saw in Generations, does that mean Generations never happened?

93. Jack - February 25, 2013

91. Exactly. Heck, I’m a Trek fan, and I’m pretty sure I would have started giggling (not out of delight) when the hologram appeared. Because Shatner.

94. Khan 2.0 - February 25, 2013

in other Trek news Mark Walberg reveals he was offered the role of Kirks dad in Trek09

wasnt Matt Damon also offered it?

95. Khan 2.0 - February 25, 2013

92 – no itsjust a Kirk from a universe where he didnt attend the Enterprise B launch

89 – agreed it wouldve been fun to see Shatner one last time in the Wrath of Khan uniform (CG deaging required to make him look like he did in the early 90s)

96. JohnRambo - February 25, 2013

i…..HATE that uniform!

97. Khan 2.0 - February 25, 2013

@89 maybe Shanter will make an ‘R2′ style cameo in Episode VII by way of compensation (e.g. TOS Kirk & Spock CGed in the background in a Mos Eisley style bar)

98. Dr. Image - February 25, 2013

Garbage? The LAME Bond tribute. Shatner? Pretty damn cool. Hobbit vfx and best score snub? Bullshit.

99. Khan 2.0 - February 25, 2013

@96 – IMO the WOK uniforms were the best of all Trek uniforms and have been sorely missed on the big screen since 1994 (actually make that 1991 as they didnt really ‘feel’ right in Generations for some reason..)

they just screamed STAR TREK (movie font) even more than TOS/JJ uniforms…hopefully they’ll make an appearence in STID or Trek 3.0

100. Trekker5 - February 25, 2013

That so made it worth me even turning the Oscars on last night! :) Love seeing The Shat in the ol chair again!

101. Moputo Jones - February 25, 2013

Looking good for an 82-year old!

102. Hat Rick - February 25, 2013

Kirk has appeared after Generations before, in commercials for Direct TV that in part were cobbled together from archival footage, and in part consisted of then-new footage with Kirk wearing the same uniform, if memory serves.

103. Hat Rick - February 25, 2013

Also, I was just struck by one realization that I’ve not seen referenced on the Internet: Do you realize that last night’s was the largest single exposure of any audience to any Star Trek character at any one time, in all history?

Oscar telecasts are seen by an estimated one billion viewers all over the world. If you add up all the viewers of any single Star Trek movie or television espiode, they would not add up to anywhere near one billion viewers.

104. Garth Faction - February 25, 2013

The real reason why Shatner was in it is simple: despite what some people think, Pine has not yet been accepted as Kirk. He has a long way to go before he can be seen as “Kirk.” Shatner is Kirk, and I don’t think Pine will ever be able to make it his own. This is why it is silly, imo, to even try. I think it would have been better and smarter to have done a different crew in the reboot universe. Pine would have been fine as Captain Pine…

105. Phil - February 25, 2013

@86. Maybe there is some truth to those Kirk Spock rumors…..

106. msn - February 25, 2013

Hey, number 104,

Chris Pine can make it on his own! You better back up.

I love Shatner to death – he is TOS Kirk. Shatner has nothing to do with NuKirk.

CFine is NuKirk. Are we STILL doing this? Can’t you wait to see the new film before you totally bash him? He is already a good actor and I predict he will improve with age. He can do films without being Kirk. Damn I thought trekkies were supposed to be tolerant. You LAME person! You hide behind your username. Not cool, man. Not cool. That is your opinion, fine, but I do not agree with it AND I know I’m not the only one that feels this way.

-M out

107. Garth Faction - February 25, 2013


He hasn’t made it his own, and I don’t think he can –for many reasons. Among them, Shatner has had a lot of work in the development of Kirk and how Kirk is through several stories, several decades. Pine will not have anything equivalent with the role. The role really WAS Shatner by the end, and all Pine is doing is playing a character that merged with someone else.

The New Trek, imo, will never amount to anything the like of TOS. It’s trying to be too many things at once. It’s trying to be Old Trek and its own, but it didn’t make it its own in the right way (A new crew). It’s imitation at best. We are not talking about “one story” like Hamlet which gets remade so people can do the same part over and over – we are talking about a decades-long character which Pine will never live out. He is not Kirk. He won’t be. He never can be. And New Trek will never be TOS. It shouldn’t have tried.

108. Jovius the Romulan - February 25, 2013

10: Too bad there’s no such rule for video game awards. Those are such a joke. Two hours of advertising for upcoming games.

109. Phil - February 25, 2013

@106. Not so much. Sean Connery is James Bond. There have been a number of actors since who filled the role, but Connery defined it. Same with Kirk. Shatner defined it, but Pine is but an actor playing the part. As far as Pine, the actor goes, he has yet to show that he is leading man material, he’s not an A lister at this point.

110. madtrekfanuk - February 25, 2013

Seth McFarlane, I salute you sir… Great to see the Shat back in the uniform as Kirk… No matter what you may think of him, I hope that if I get to the ripe old age of 81 I can still have the presence that he has…

Long live and prosper the one and only true captain of the Enteprise!

111. dmduncan - February 25, 2013

104. Garth Faction – February 25, 2013

The real reason why Shatner was in it is simple: despite what some people think, Pine has not yet been accepted as Kirk.


Well, I don’t think it’s that Pine hasn’t been accepted as Kirk. It’s that he hasn’t become the iconic version of Kirk that William Shatner is, at any age. As long as Shatner is alive (and may he stay that way for many years to come), he IS going to be the authoritative version of Kirk whether he’s the youngest version of the character or not.

Shatner has played the man since 1966. You don’t come along in 2009 and expect to replace Shatner, as the icon who created the icon, for a comedy routine employing the pop-culture status of Captain Kirk, especially since Shatner still looks and sounds as good as he does, and this phase of Shatner’s career consists mostly of comedic material.

Which is not to imply that Shatner is doing anything wrong, either. In my view, he’s having fun without becoming the joke.

112. William Shatner - February 25, 2013

Screw you all! I thought I was awesome.

113. Josh C. - February 25, 2013

the article had 2236 comments, and 2236, according to Memory Beta, is when Elizabeth Dehner was born (and based on stardates, plausibly the year Gary Mitchell was born too). ZOMG PROOF THAT CUMBERBATCH IS INDEED GARY MITCHELL

114. Bill Binder - February 25, 2013

#20 Boy…he’s milking the Kirk character for every last nickel and dime he can get – a bit sad.

For sure! Why, since he last played the role in 1994 he’s been in a DirecTV commerical “and” and Oscar spot playing the character. That’s at least six minutes of playing Kirk in the last 19 years. He should really let it rest and move on to other projects.

115. Trekkiegal63 - February 25, 2013

I do so love Shatner’s sense of humor. It is my hope that at 81 (nearly 82… if I’m not mistaken both his and Nimoy’s birthdays are next month) I still possess as much energy, zest for life and the ability to find amusement in life’s quirks.

Ever wonderful to see Bill again, especially in uniform. :)

116. Garth Faction - February 25, 2013


Sean Connery did not define Bond. He didn’t create Bond, he wasn’t the first to play Bond, nor did he have much say in the development of Bond for decades of stories. That is a big difference. Bond is not the same thing as Kirk. Kirk is Shatner, Kirk developed on screen, unlike Bond, who was created on paper and each person playing Bond is trying to connect to that role already defined on paper, while Shatner got to do much more than that.

117. I am not Herbert - February 25, 2013




118. Mad Mann - February 25, 2013

That was awesome!

I bet that bridge back-drop and chair was actually in Shatner’s basement!

119. MJ - February 25, 2013


I disagree. Despite many other good attempts, Sean Connery is still levels above anyone else playing the role. Yes, he is Bond.

And Sean Connery never made a career afterwards being a buffoonish version of Bond to make $$ from people laughing at him and Bond. Connery had way too much class and respect for the character to do something like that.

120. Red Dead Ryan - February 25, 2013


Sean Connery didn’t define James Bond, you’re right. The character was already on paper by the time he filmed “Dr. No”. But after seeing Connery’s performance in the first couple of movies, Ian Fleming increasingly based the novel Bond on the movie Bond, as defined by the actor.

Sean Connery wasn’t the first actor to play Bond either, but his Bond became the definitive version. Bond was originally played by an American actor in a tv movie a couple of years prior to “Dr. No”.

Connery didn’t define Bond like Shatner defined Kirk, he RE-defined him.

121. Trekkiegal63 - February 25, 2013

On the subject of Shatner’s Kirk vs. Pine’s Kirk…

It’s not a case of Pine not playing a young and troubled Kirk brilliantly, which he did. It’s that he’s playing a Kirk who is inexperienced and still a little bit of a wild card. Even comparing the two roles is like comparing apples and oranges. We first saw Shatner’s Kirk in his 30s with years of command and rising to through the ranks under his belt. This younger Kirk is still a little bit of a child, or, at least he was at the beginning of the ST2009, but there is the hope there that he can grow into the role of the smart and savvy Captain. To quote Peter David “Youth excuses a great deal”.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that Chris Pine played a good ‘diamond in the rough’ while Shatner played an excellent and, I daresay, legendary ‘Commanding Officer’. At least this was the dichotomy I used in my head in order to fully enjoy the ST2009 film after a lifetime of being a TOS loyalist.

122. Red Dead Ryan - February 25, 2013


I agree with you about Connery, though “Never Say Never Again” should have never happened. Connery went to the well one too many times with that one.

123. Rose (as in Keachick) - February 25, 2013

Oh the crystal ball gazers are out again. Chris Pine has played Kirk once only. In less than three months we will again see him play a young Captain Kirk. STID is an important movie in this series for all concerned, especially for those playing the lead roles, ie Kirk and Spock.

Chris Pine has a lot of ability and even William Shatner knows that. I think it is really a case of “wait and see” before anyone writes Pine off just yet.

I don’t think it would have worked if Chris Pine did as Shatner did for the Oscars. Chris Pine’s Kirk is young and still finding his feet as a starfleet officer and captain. Shatner’s Kirk is the older, more experienced, *confident version and therefore his Kirk coming back in time and calling out Seth McFarlane for his Oscar presenter’s performance seemed more appropriate and better somehow.

* as in lacking confidence or being over-confident.

124. Garth Faction - February 25, 2013

No one is saying Pine isn’t a good actor. The issue is, Pine is ACTING. Shatner WAS Kirk. That’s the difference. Shatner defines Kirk in a way Pine never will be able to do. Pine won’t do the load needed to make it his own. There is too much baggage now.

The mistake was trying to redo the original crew. The closest they got was McCoy. Everything else was off, way off; and way more than “this is an alternative universe version of them.” We are at pastiche level here, which is the problem.

125. Tom - February 25, 2013

While he was in uniform, they should have done the hologram scene. Did you get that Bob Orci, JJ ??

126. MJ - February 25, 2013

@124. That is only because you have lost your objectivity and are way too sentimental about Shat.

Recasting was brilliant, overall. Only mistake is for some fans who can never accept anything but the original portrayals of the actors go. That’s too bad.

127. MJ - February 25, 2013

@125. I must have missed the part where he played a real Captain Kirk last night. He looked to me my his buffoonish Shat-Kirk comedian, and I was kind of nervous for him that the small and wobbly Captains chair he was in might break at any moment.

128. MJ - February 25, 2013

@123. You must have been shocked to see Pine in a beard?

His beard didn’t work very well on him. It looked poorly groomed and a bit raggedy.

129. Garth Faction - February 25, 2013

It’s not about being sentimental about Kirk/Shatner or the like. It is the realization that sometimes a person defines a role and no one else can fill their shoes, even if they are good in other roles. The whole “out with the old, get with the new, you are over-sentimental” attitude is tiring. The fact that there are legitimate reasons to find New Trek to be less than the original classic Trek doesn’t mean New Trek couldn’t make itself better and somehow get beyond pastiche mode. It hasn’t. I am giving New Trek its chance, but I think the first movie proved the error in trying to recreate the past. It didn’t work — it was a weak story, with characters and motivations which didn’t work, all lens flare, no light in that tunnel. The second movie does look a lot better, but, it still looks like it is suffering from the weakness of the first. To say “you are just old” and all is an old way of dealing with it. We can and should get better — something which doesn’t just imitate a Bay summer flick and call itself Star Trek. Again, it would have worked if it wasn’t trying to imitate Old Trek with the Old Crew at the same time. It’s the same problem with the new Holmes films… it’s not Holmes we see on screen.. and if they just didn’t try to make it Holmes but just let it be its ownself, would have ended up better…

130. Rose (as in Keachick) - February 25, 2013

Pine was a young James Kirk. He gave as credible a performance as anybody.

131. Red Dead Ryan - February 25, 2013

Hate to break it to you folks who are complaining about how Pine “isn’t” Kirk like Shatner is, you’re right, he isn’t. But he wasn’t ever going to be.

Chris Pine is a great actor in his own right. More talented than Mr. Shatner.

Pine is playing a younger, slightly different version of Kirk than the one portrayed by Shatner.

Some of you guys ragging on Pine are unhappy that someone else is playing Kirk.

Get over it. Shatner isn’t coming back. Shatner peaked as Kirk in TWOK and TSFS, and subsequently began playing himself since then, especially in TFF and “Generations”.

Pine will do three movies at most, and then will be done with Kirk for good. Someone else will come along and pick up the reigns for awhile.

132. MJ - February 25, 2013

“Some of you guys ragging on Pine are unhappy that someone else is playing Kirk. Get over it. Shatner isn’t coming back. Shatner peaked as Kirk in TWOK and TSFS, and subsequently began playing himself since then, especially in TFF and “Generations”. ”

EXACTLY ! ! ! ! !

133. Daniel - February 25, 2013

This is so great. It’s been like, what, 47 or 48 years since Mr. Shatner first put on a Federation uniform? Amazing!

134. DiscoSpock - February 25, 2013

It’s hard for people who are overly sentimental to self diagnose. They think they are being rational.

135. Rose (as in Keachick) - February 25, 2013

#128 – Were you referring to my comment or have the numbers gone askew again?

I have seen pictures of Chris Pine wearing a beard or looking unshaven many, many times. I think that when he is not working, ie making a movie or performing on stage playing characters like James Kirk or Padriac (The Lieutenant of Inishmore play), he prefers not to shave that often, due to his now minor but ongoing skin problems.

136. Garth Faction - February 25, 2013


As I have said, and I will say it again: he should be playing Captain “Pine.” The reboot universe would have worked better if we saw it in the eyes of a different crew, maybe one which now will be “the crew” of the universe because of what happened with the changes. It could have borrowed from and shown us some of the TOS crew in it, but the focus should not have been imitation. That’s one of the many problems of New Trek. No one is saying Shatner needs to be playing Kirk in new films, just Pine IS playing Kirk, imitating someone else in a role someone else DEFINED. Pine could have made a better Captain if they let him be one of a new ship, without lame attempts to be “all new” and “all the same” in one.

137. Garth Faction - February 25, 2013

Especially if they are being sentimental for “Star Trek:2009.”

138. MJ - February 25, 2013

@135. Yes, Rose, I was curious to see you thought of his new look with the beard thing?

139. Red Dead Ryan - February 25, 2013


Agreed! I think some Trekkies have trouble letting go of the past. Which is ironic, since “Star Trek” takes place in the future is supposed to be about progression.

140. Captain Ransom - February 25, 2013

kirk needs to go back in time to stop george lucas from making the star wars prequels and undoing all of science fiction history. if he doesn’t do it, captain braxton will!

141. MJ - February 25, 2013

@134 “It’s hard for people who are overly sentimental to self diagnose. They think they are being rational.”

Yep. That have a self-reinforcing set of beliefs that seem so correct to them, that they don’t even realize that emotion has take over reason.

142. Smike - February 25, 2013

The Oscars keep disappointing me. Why can’t they finally recognize a visually appealing movie instead of those pseudo-arthouse dramas? I don’t hold a grudge against any of the last ten winners but NONE of them qualifies as BEST PICTURE of the respective season.

If you plot the actual winners against the visually most appealing nominees it is simply devastating how inferior the champions are…

2013: Argo vs. Life of Pi
2012: The Artist vs. Hugo
2011: The King’s Speech vs. Inception
2010: Hurt Locker vs. Avatar
2009: Slumdog Millionaire vs. The Dark Knight

Before that they hadn’t even nominated genre flicks. No, I don’t want Transformers or The Avengers to come even near the best picture Oscar, but even masterpieces like The Dark Knight or mediocrity such as Slumdog Millionaire…

The winners may be good movies for what they are but they are FAR, FAR AWAY from being anything close to movies of the year… The Oscars are turned into an arthouse festival…

143. Smike - February 25, 2013

but even masterpieces like The Dark Knight are ignored in favour of mediocrity such as Slumdog Millionaire…

144. Red Dead Ryan - February 25, 2013


Pine wasn’t imitating Shatner’s Kirk. Pine played him a bit differently, as copying Shatner would have made nuKirk a joke. Pine acts with a more serious tone and style, whereas Shatner hammed it up at times with his own quirky style and mannerisms.

145. Captain Hackett - February 25, 2013

I like it!

146. dmduncan - February 25, 2013

Pine is a fantastic Captain Kirk, but more people know who Shatner is than Pine. Through commercials alone Shatner’s face is everywhere. Pine would not have been a good choice for last night’s skit, for multiple reasons.

And McFarlane is a Star Trek fan, and he was also the target of the jokes in that skit. It was humorous but respectful of the franchise. I knew it was written by someone who was fan. So it was enjoyable. Didn’t expect to see Shatner as Kirk at the Oscars — or anything Star Trek at all, really — so it was cool to get that treat.

147. Superman - February 25, 2013

That was Kirk aboard the Enterprise-B. He found out about the events of “Generations” while traveling back to 2013, saved the E-B, and then helped Soran get into the Nexus. Starfleet gives Kirk the E-B, revamps its retirement age policy, and gives Harriman command of a freighter.

Star Trek: The Continuing Mission debuts on SyFy in the fall of 2014.

148. Trekkiegal63 - February 25, 2013

#135 Rose (as in Keachick):

…due to his now minor but ongoing skin problems

I haven’t read anything about that before. I know its off-topic, but out of curiosity (and because I can’t turn the medical scientist in me off) what skin issues?

149. Tom - February 25, 2013

#127 MJ – February 25, 2013

@125. I must have missed the part where he played a real Captain Kirk last night. He looked to me my his buffoonish Shat-Kirk comedian, and I was kind of nervous for him that the small and wobbly Captains chair he was in might break at any moment.

Get a sturdier chair then film for 10 minutes. edit out 8 minutes of buffoonery and there you have it.. another Priceline commercial, or a wonderful hologram scene

150. ILM Operative - February 25, 2013

Do any of you think Shatner will ever get a Oscar lifetime achievement award?

151. D-Rock - February 25, 2013


Oh for sure! Right behind Mark Hamill….

152. Spock's Bangs - February 25, 2013

It would be cool, but nah,, he is and was, primarily, a television actor. Maybe an Emmy… Be he already has a few of those.

153. Rose (as in Keachick) - February 25, 2013

MJ – What new look with the beard? The most recent pictures I have seen of Chris Pine was when he co-hosted the technology section of the Academy Awards with Zoe Saldana. He did not have a beard.

I know he had a beard when he did the interview with William Shatner in Shatner’s The Captains Documentary. I thought he looked really good. In fact, one of those pictures was on my desktop for quite a while.

Chris Pine suits no beard or beard; suits wearing glasses or not wearing glasses.

Sometimes he has been caught by the papz filling his car with gas or something like that and the pictures have been posted to sites like JustJared. He may not look as well groomed as we might see him in an official capacity, but he still looks good…:)

154. Dee - lvs moon' surface - February 25, 2013

#138. MJ

The fandom is not surprised with the beard on the face of Chris Pine, since sometimes it is something that I call “atomic beard” … ;-) :-)

Just look what I’m talking about, here:

155. Romulus - February 25, 2013

Shatner was great during TOS and the first 3 movies but after that he turned into an overcooked ham.

156. MJ - February 25, 2013


157. MJ - February 25, 2013

@156. Not to be confused with Dee’s post, my link above is from last night’s Oscars. Which is why I ask Chris PIne: Dude, at least groom that thing a bit…sheesh!

158. MJ - February 25, 2013

Here is how an A-lister grooms a beard:

You have to shave the excess off and form the beard into a shape on your face with defined borders.

159. Dee - lvs moon' surface - February 25, 2013

#135. Rose (as in Keachick)…

This was considered by many as the best picture of the Oscars this year … lol

look at here:

;-) :-)

160. Dee - lvs moon' surface - February 25, 2013

#158. MJ

I don’t know… :-) look at George last night:

161. Rose (as in Keachick) - February 25, 2013

trekkiegal – If you have a good look at Pine/Kirk’s face, you will notice facial scarring. You will see this scarring in other films he has made. Someone actually referred to him as…ouch…Captain Craterface.

Chris Pine has said that he suffered from severe acne as a teenager. I happened to find a picture posted on the internet some time back of him as a teenager and his face and neck were absolutely covered in acne. Over time, with treatment, mostly antibiotic, the acne presentation slows down, however scarring on the neck and face is often left. You can see this scarring on Chris Pine. Shaving can exacerbate any tendency for acne breakouts.

Treatment is difficult. I believe that there are now laser treatments to repair damaged skin, but they are very recent (in last five years?). I suspect that Chris may have had some laser treatment because his skin is looking much better.

Pine fans manage to get past these skin flaws and see a lovely looking guy. I could see a really nice looking young person of 16? despite his face being covered in acne. His looks, even then, shone through.

If I have understood Chris correctly, this has been and may still be his problem.

162. MJ - February 25, 2013

@161. I got no problem with the beard. Just grrom it so it doese’t look like the remnants of cannon shot that firred a deal squirrel at your face.


163. DiscoSpock - February 25, 2013

It looks like he is just starting the beard. One would wonder why on earth if you were starting a new beard, wouldn’t you want to wait until after your biggest TV event of the year and THEN start the beard?

164. Trekkiegal63 - February 25, 2013

#161 Rose (as in Keachick):

Wow. Poor guy. That’s horrible.

Pine fans manage to get past these skin flaws and see a lovely looking guy.

I think those amazing eyes of his overshadow any flaw he might otherwise have. To be honest, I’ve hardly noticed any facial scarring. But granted I think the only films I’ve seen of his are ST2009, Unstoppable and Bottle Shock.

165. rocketscientist - February 25, 2013


Damn I missed it! I had to finish preparing for a presentation this morning!!!

I did catch the bit with Ted and Markie Mark, though. I love that furry little guy!

166. Rose (as in Keachick) - February 25, 2013

I have not seen any pictures of Chris Pine at the Oscars (24 February) until now. I’ve just seen Dee’s post/link…LOL I guess one guy must think that Chris has a nice butt…hmmm…:)?

167. Trekkiegal63 - February 25, 2013

…. and in the case of Bottle Shock, that horrible wig distracts from everything else. ;)

168. randomguy - February 25, 2013

@36. Never seen any of those 3 films, don’t plan to either. I also do not know anyone who has seen them, not one single person. You mention the Box Office gross numbers but with the ridiculous upwards spiral of movie theater ticket prices it takes a lot less people to bring in those numbers.

I’ll give you an example, in the early 1990s a movie ticket cost about 3 to 5 dollars (at least where I live), today 1 ticket costs 10 dollars (non-3D, non-Imax), so it takes a whole lot fewer people to build up those kinds of total grosses.

For instance it only takes about 100 million people worldwide seeing a movie to build a billion dollar gross, which is less than one third of the population of the US, so even Avatar was never seen by “most” of the people in the US, for example I still have not watched it.

Just saying the Box Office gross numbers are extremely misleading.

169. rocketscientist - February 25, 2013

Y’know, although my wife watched the academy awards and I saw a little bit, the sad fact is that the only two films at a theater I’ve seen in past two years since my twins showed up are The Avengers and The Dark Knight Rises.

I remember a few years back when my wife and I actually saw a lot of the nominated films. It was fun to try to guess who would get the award.

I don’t think I saw any of the nominated films, except for Avengers (it was nominated for visual effects, right?).

I feel so uncultured and out of the loop. I’m actually more sympathetic now to Braga and Berman’s Nemesis excuse where they said the film bombed because the fans had grown up and had children. Right now, that’s me.

170. rocketscientist - February 25, 2013

Oh, and I guess McFarlane got mixed reviews from the critics about his hosting duty. I’d like to point out that he was 10 times better than the James Franco/Anne Hathaway team of a couple of years back. That was widely regarded as one of the worst host/teams ever, thanks primarily to Franco.

And, heck, who cares if not all McFarlane’s jokes landed. I loved his film, Ted. It was freakin’ hilarious!

171. Lt. Bailey - February 25, 2013

Back in action one more time! Now thats the Captain Kirk we love to see.

This was the best part of the Oscars, beside James Bond.

172. Aashlee - February 25, 2013

Like it or not, that scruffy beard look is a fashion trend right now.

I thought the Captain Kirk bit was funny for the first minute or two. But then it went on and on and on. At some point it passed from funny to cute, then to kinda sad, then it jumped the shark.

Why are people dissing Chris Pine? Geez! He’s a wonderful actor. Don’t know if this is true or not, but I’ve heard he’s been cast as the lead in the next Jack Ryan movie. If he’s not already an A-lister, he’s on the cusp of being one.

Pine’s portrayal of the younger Kirk with a troubled past was excellent. He managed to bring the essence of Kirk without it becoming a parody of Shatner’s Kirk. The more times I watch the 2009 movie, the more impressed I am with his performance.

173. William Kirk - February 25, 2013

This was GREAT!

174. Rose (as in Keachick) - February 25, 2013

Its sad that you are so superficial MJ

175. Rose (as in Keachick) - February 25, 2013

Do you mean this? Perhaps the beard could have had a little trim, but it’s OK. Is it just the picture or are there a few grey flecks in Chris’s hair and beard? Hmmm…

Chris looked awesome in Bottle Shock as well. I concentrate on the face, the blue eyes, the body and what that ensemble actually says and does. When they managed to comb the wig LOL, it/he didn’t look too bad at all with the hair, not at all.

Another film where Chris Pine does his thing, as in be a character. I mean, he manages to pull off being a very creditable main character around the likes of Bill Pullman and Alan Rickman.

Big event or not – Chris is in his beard growing phase…:)

176. Captain Hackett - February 25, 2013

Forgive me for tracking off from this topic…

Vulcan wins the contest in naming after one of two new Pluto moons and Cerberus finishes the second place. Now it is up to International Astronomical Union to make decisions on these names.

Thanks to Bill for suggesting Vulcan on his twitter!

177. Rose (as in Keachick) - February 25, 2013

NB: post #174 is not mine.
MJ, I, me, Rosemary, made no such comment to you.

#172 – Chris Pine just finished making the first in, what is hoped will be, a series of Jack Ryan movies where he played Jack Ryan in December 2012. The movie is now in its post-production phase with a release date being 25 December 2013.

178. Dee - lvs moon' surface - February 25, 2013


Keachick.. OMG… that guy is actor Jeremy Renner one of the Avengers … lol … I actually do not know exactly what was going on at that moment on the red carpet … but it’s very funny! …

;-) :-)

179. Jovius the Romulan - February 25, 2013

161: I wouldn’t say he’s good looking /in spite of/ those “flaws”, I’d say he’s good looking period. I have noticed a bit of scarring, especially on the left side of his face, but didn’t really think further of it. Kudos for Pine talking about it openly. It gives hope to teenagers who are in his same predicament and probably have low self-esteem and/or are picked on. (Though if anyone picked on Pine, they’re probably kicking themselves for doing that now!) “Captain Craterface” — yeesh, that’s judgmental!

164: See “Smokin’ Aces” — just about unrecognizable as a psychotic skinhead.

180. Dee - lvs moon' surface - February 25, 2013

#172. Aashlee

The movie “Jack Ryan” is already in post production, although on IMDb this information is not updated … an interesting interview on the set, here:

181. Kev-1 - February 25, 2013

Nice to see Shatner as Kirk. A little more Shatner than Kirk, but that’s what the night required. I see they gave him a real costume — could have been the last one left!

182. Trekkiegal63 - February 25, 2013

#179 Jovius the Romulan:

Kudos for Pine talking about it openly. It gives hope to teenagers who are in his same predicament and probably have low self-esteem and/or are picked on.

Very good point. Agreed. It is great that he discusses it openly, particularly since it is a fairly common problem.

He was in “Smokin’ Aces”?! Wow, I didn’t recognize him AT ALL. I really should pay more attention to credits.

183. Dee - lvs moon' surface - February 25, 2013

175. Keachick

Chris Pine on the red carpet video here:

he was there with his mom:

184. Baby - February 25, 2013

142. Smike – February 25, 2013

The Oscars keep disappointing me. Why can’t they finally recognize a visually appealing movie instead of those pseudo-arthouse dramas? I don’t hold a grudge against any of the last ten winners but NONE of them qualifies as BEST PICTURE of the respective season.

If you plot the actual winners against the visually most appealing nominees it is simply devastating how inferior the champions are…

2013: Argo vs. Life of Pi
2012: The Artist vs. Hugo
2011: The King’s Speech vs. Inception
2010: Hurt Locker vs. Avatar
2009: Slumdog Millionaire vs. The Dark Knight


2013: Argo vs. Life of Pi….I say life of pi

2012: The Artist vs. Hugo………….I say Hugo

2011: The King’s Speech vs. Inception…………I say Inception

2010: Hurt Locker vs. Avatar………….I say Avatar (yes…the avatar story was mediocre but it was all round a visual appealing good movie.)

2009: Slumdog Millionaire vs. The Dark Knight……..I say Slumdog millionaire.

#143 Smike

the dark knight was not a was a good film but it was in no wear a masterpiece.

I am kind of sick of Nolan fan boys worshiping the dark knight…

Back to # 142…you do have a point.

The point is that the Oscars are a snobby and very elite awards. They tend to give their awards to very old fashion and medieval stuff.

Remember when Shakespeare in love won over saving private ryan?

The Oscars also has way too much politics.

Anyway I am looking forward to next year…why I doubt into darkness will ever get a best picture nomination …it could be a strong contender in the technical areas.(visual effects, sound mixing, sound editing, cinematography and so on)

I guess we will just have to wait and see .

185. MJ - February 25, 2013

“Its sad that you are so superficial MJ”

Not really. I have a beard, and when I got to a major event, I don’t “slob it” with my beard.

No big deal, I love Chris Pine. But it he shows me a crappy beard I will comment on it.

186. MJ - February 25, 2013

@172 “Why are people dissing Chris Pine? Geez! He’s a wonderful actor. Don’t know if this is true or not, but I’ve heard he’s been cast as the lead in the next Jack Ryan movie. If he’s not already an A-lister, he’s on the cusp of being one.”

Some of you people need to relax a bit here. Sheesh, just talking about the guy’s beard for Christ’s sake. Please don’t be so freaking sensitive. It the Oscars — people like to talk about how everyone looked. Its silly and kind of fun…don’t take it so seriously.

187. David M. - February 25, 2013

And yet, sadly, even the great Captain Kirk could not save Seth McFarlane from hiimself…

188. MJ - February 25, 2013

Baby and Smike,

Agree with all of your “should have won” oscars with on exception — Lincoln should have beat both Argo and Life of Pi this year.

189. cat - February 25, 2013

bring back William Shatner as captain James t Kirk period

190. Aashlee - February 25, 2013

@177. Rose (as in Keachick) & 180. Dee – lvs moon’ surface

THANKS! I thought I heard about that somewhere! I watched your link, Dee. I’m really looking forward to it. :-)

191. Promo Boy - February 25, 2013

Agree with everyone: it was great seeing Shatner in uniform as Kirk “in action one last time.”
One small quibble/observation: wasn’t that Picard’s Enterprise D chair that Kirk was sitting in? And wasn’t that background from the Enterprise D bridge as well?
Doesn’t diminish the event… Just asking.

192. Aashlee - February 25, 2013

@186. MJ

No, my comment at #186 wasn’t about the beard thing. It’s more of what you referenced in your own comment #132, the idea that Pine comes woefully short of portraying Kirk because no one else but Shatner could ever possibly play Kirk, no matter what universe he’s in. Obviously I disagree with that idea. :-)

193. Garth Faction - February 25, 2013

The way people here are discussing Oscars shows why they don’t get the problems many have with New Trek: style over substance. “This looks better than this film which won, why did the winner beat this visual experience?”

The answer is obvious. Oscars are not about “visual experience” alone. They are about the whole package, including, and especially, the story. New Trek and the New Trek apologists are about style over substance. I’m for substance.

194. Jenna - February 25, 2013

Okay, off-topic PSA but not sure where else to put it. Anyone interested in seeing more Cumberbatch before STID, check out Parade’s End on HBO tomorrow through Thursday. Not for everyone, but beautifully done.

(And for Pete’s sake if you haven’t yet go watch Sherlock, on Netflix or Amazon Prime)

195. denny cranium - February 25, 2013

I watched it last night and after my initial surprise, I thought WTF?
A friend of mine kept texting me asking: what is going on?
I replied both times- I’m not sure.
I felt that Shatner demeaned himself and his iconic role.
Sorry, Mr. Shatner, but you no longer fit the uniform.
If this is the last time we see you in a Trek uniform, this is worse than your death scene in Generations.
To be clear, I admire Mr. Shatner greatly, and I’ve enjoyed his career immensely.
I just feel this was beneath him and Seth McFarlane should have thought better than to indulge his fanboy fantasy in front of a billion viewers.
I’m surprised he got away with it.

196. Rose (as in Keachick) - February 25, 2013

The King’s Speech is a tremendous movie with substance and style. Of course, it should have won…

Chris Pine’s mother sort of reminds me of my aunt, as in her attractiveness, style of dress and make up. Why do older women have to look so made up around the eyes? It did accent her lovely BROWN eyes as opposed to her son’s lovely BLUE eyes!

197. Rose (as in Keachick) - February 25, 2013

Of course, William Shatner fitted the uniform. In fact, I am surprised just how good he did look in it. As for it being dirty, I cannot see anything grubby.

Actually, it is more likely that the uniform you saw him wear was tailored made for him – recently! If it was the original uniform he wore in the movies, then kudos to William Shatner.

198. MJ - February 25, 2013

@195 “I watched it last night and after my initial surprise, I thought WTF?
A friend of mine kept texting me asking: what is going on? I replied both times- I’m not sure. I felt that Shatner demeaned himself and his iconic role. Sorry, Mr. Shatner, but you no longer fit the uniform”

Yea, it was Shat-Kirk-Bufoon night at the academy awards.

199. K-7 - February 25, 2013

Shat made Adele look thin.

200. MJ - February 25, 2013

Whoa dude, I love Adele. Leave her alone.

201. Garth Faction - February 25, 2013

All those complaining about Shatner….. there was more true Kirk in the Oscars than all of 2009 Trek. Fact.

It’s funny and sad you talk about “demeaning the role” when you prop up 2009 Trek as anything but a demeaning of Trek. I am still giving 2013 Trek a chance, but 2009, that was demeaning. Especially Kirk/Spock/McCoy.

202. MJ - February 25, 2013

@192 “No, my comment at #186 wasn’t about the beard thing. It’s more of what you referenced in your own comment #132, the idea that Pine comes woefully short of portraying Kirk because no one else but Shatner could ever possibly play Kirk, no matter what universe he’s in. Obviously I disagree with that idea. :-)”

You need to go back again then and read my comment #132, because I completely agree with you. You are reversing the meaning of that post and/or reading things into it that are not there.

203. Scooter - February 25, 2013

I love Shatner but I hate to think his last appearance in a Starfleet uniform as Kirk was doing a corny skit on the Academy Awards. Hopefully a better opportunity will come up.

204. MJ - February 25, 2013

Dude, you just lost a lot of credibility there by just essentially making the claim that last night qualified as a serious Trek episode that was better than Trek 2009.

Wow, have you every drunk the Shat Kool-Aid, dude.

I don’t think I can reason with you all here on this. You are locked into a Trek worldview of decades past.

205. MJ - February 25, 2013

…referring to Garth Faction above

206. Instant Karma - February 25, 2013

Shatner blows away the naysayers again.

207. Kirk's Girdle - February 25, 2013

Bottle Shock was a nice little film. Rickman was great as usual and Pine seemed to be channeling David Lee Roth.

208. Garth Faction - February 25, 2013


I am saying he had more KIRK, true KIRK in him last night than what we got with Trek 2009. I didn’t say it was a “serious Trek,” but then again, 2009 Trek WAS NOT SERIOUS TREK. That’s the problem. And as long as they do pastiche, try to recapture the original crew while trying to be new and edgy in a way showing they don’t get the crew, Shatner’s comic acting as Kirk is FAR more Kirk than anything else we get. That’s all it is. It’s not “Kook Aid,” it’s not saying “He’s great,” it’s just saying New-Trek is THAT far off from Trek.

209. Trekkiegal63 - February 25, 2013

#197 Rose (as in Keachick):

Of course, William Shatner fitted the uniform. In fact, I am surprised just how good he did look in it. As for it being dirty, I cannot see anything grubby.

Agreed. And considering that the man is less than a month short of 82, he actually looks quite exceptional.

210. randomguy - February 25, 2013

@193. No the Oscars are about who got their a– kissed the most, nothing else, certainly not box office performance, nor the performances of the actors in the films, nor any other factor, it is entirely Hollywood politics.

211. n1701ncc - February 25, 2013

It would have cool if Lincoln won and Captain Kirk could have presented Mr. Lincoln his award. I wonder how many of you know exactly what I am talking about!!!!

212. Trekkiegal63 - February 25, 2013

#207 Kirk’s Girdle:

Pine seemed to be channeling David Lee Roth.

Never made that connection before but now that you’ve said it I see it (as well as laughed out loud).

Thanks for that, btw, I now have the mental image of Pine strutting around in red leather pants.

213. Phil - February 25, 2013

Smart-assed comments about crystal ball gazers aside, Pine will never be Shatner. Shatner has had a lifetime with Kirk, Pine has one more installment with Bad Robot and he’s done. This particular cast has already voiced interest in moving on past this contract, and frankly, that might be a good thing, it can give the writers and Paramount an opportunity to explore the ST universe a bit outside the confines of canon.

214. dmduncan - February 25, 2013

182: “He was in “Smokin’ Aces”?! Wow, I didn’t recognize him AT ALL. I really should pay more attention to credits.”

Yeah, Pine was in Smokin Aces. One of the skinheads. Best moment of the whole movie was him having a talk with the dead Affleck character.

215. Yanks - February 25, 2013

I usually don’t watch these because they never give SCI-FI is due.

Never figured out why it’s just not acceptable to award great science fiction.

But I enjoyed watching Shat sit in that chair once again. That MacFarelane guy is quite talented.

216. Rose (as in Keachick) - February 25, 2013

Well, there are photos of Pine wearing Versace black leather pants… and some people wonder why I and others might drool on occasion…:)

217. Rose (as in Keachick) - February 25, 2013

#214 – LOL As soon as I read your comment about the scene in Smokin’ Aces, I burst out laughing. I first saw some of Pine’s Smokin’ Aces scenes on youtube, but it was only when I managed to get of the DVD of the movie and being able to watch it in context, I actually found it even funnier. Such brilliant black humour.

Apparently both Ben Affleck and Martin Henderson said they had difficulty doing those scenes because of the way Chris acted. He was totally in character and they kept losing it, especially Ben Affleck who was supposed to be dead…:)

How can one not be a sort of Pine-nut?

218. PEB - February 25, 2013

I constantly drool over CP. Thank you for reminding me of that photoshoot, it just made my night :)

219. Aashlee - February 25, 2013

@202 MJ

Ah, I see where the disconnect happened: I should have ended that paragraph: “Obviously I, TOO, disagree with that idea. :-)” It was a poorly written transition between that last sentence and the preceding ones. My error.

We are on the same page. We reach. We are not Herbert. (LOL!)

220. Theatre Historian_ - February 25, 2013

Its ashame that in the 85 years since its inception that the Awards has fallen into something so political in its picks for nominations and for wins.

This was not what Sid Grauman, Mary Pickford , Louis B Mayer, Douglas Fairbanks, Jesse Lasky, George Cohen, Cecil B. DeMille, Douglas Fairbanks, Cedric Gibbons and Irving Thalberg intended when they first formed the academy back in 1927.

Back then it was about honoring those who truly earned it, its only been in the last few decades with the likes weinstein and others like him that its mutated into what we have today.

The AMPASof today makes the Hollywood Foreign Press look brilliant in comparison

221. Marja - February 25, 2013

McFarlane is a Trek fanatic from way back and does a great impression of Shatner’s Kirk.

It was a fun bit b/c Shatner has great comedy timing. I think most of the audience was “???” but I know McFarlane and Shatner – and the Trek fans among the audience – had lots of fun! It did seem a little “Seth-centric” though.

McFarlane is a dynamite singer! If he ever gives up doing TV shows he could hit Broadway to do musicals, no doubt … just great. And who knew Charlize Theron and Channing Tatum could DANCE like that. Whew!

The Les Mis thing was great, I got tears in my eyes. Of course it was made to do just that, but I was impressed that EVERY major cast member participated!

222. Dee - lvs moon' surface - February 25, 2013

Chris Pine/Darwin Tremor… and the Argo’s director a long time ago ;-) :-)

223. Allenburch - February 25, 2013

Anthony – Thanks a bunch for posting this Oscar highlight.

224. Jonboc - February 25, 2013

Man, MJ, you and your proxy servers have been busy today!! lol. Saw the Shat thing, I enjoyed it. Shatner has always had exquisite comic timing, and he was in fine form. Too bad they couldn’t process that video through some type of film emulator, it would have looked a lot better. But it was a live, quick, low-budget give-and-take with the host. Shatner was probably backstage in his pajama pants sitting in front of a green screen…so it is what it is.
And what was up with the orchestra being down the street? Weird. And a tie?? I’ve never seen a tie in a category before. Also, how did they miss Andy Griffith in the memoriam segment? No Time For Sergeants anyone?? A very strange, albeit entertaining, Oscar night to be sure!

225. starbase Britain - February 25, 2013

William Shatner is Captain James T Kirk.

agree with Tom#89

2009 was a great opportunity missed to get the shat in as a hologram. Easily achievable and would have looked great to see the two of them together one more time. Who knows though, Bill might not have agreed to do a cameo and i could see that happening also.

Greg UK

226. fansincesixtynine - February 25, 2013

FANTASTIC!!!!!! Seeing Shatner in the uniform (even if the tunic was short sleeved) was absolutely wonderful. It was a huge thrill. He still can pull it off!

227. Vultan - February 25, 2013


Yes, No Time For Sergeants is a classic, but let’s not forget A Face in the Crowd. Andy Griffith should’ve won an Oscar for that performance (he wasn’t even nominated).

What bugs me besides leaving out stars from the in memoriam segment is how the crowd applauds loudly for some stars then you hear silence for others, Ray Bradbury among them. Really tacky and disrespectful.

Oh, and shame on the Oscars for the disrespect to the VFX community too.

228. Jonboc - February 25, 2013


Agreed Vultan, on all counts.

229. Steve Gennarelli - February 25, 2013

As someone who loves all things “Star Trek” and all things Shatner, it was great seeing him on the show last night.
Chris Pine is great as Capt Kirk in the new version of “Star Trek”. If they could find a way to bring Shatner’s Kirk back in a meaningful way (maybe “Mirror, Mirror” Kirk) it would be great to have him back in “Star Trek” but it appears that is unlikely.
For anyone who thinks Shatner is a ham, bad actor, just go back and watch the original classic 79 episodes. Really focus in on the 1st Season and you’ll see many shades to Capt Kirk. Check it out.

230. TreK_Fan - February 25, 2013

Shatner proves he is a great actor during the Oscars. Its a shame JJ can’t find space for him in his Trek universe.

231. ObsessiveStarTrekFan - February 25, 2013

211. n1701ncc

Seems no one has answered you. I’ll try to live up to my name again…

You would be referring to the TOS episode The Savage Curtain, where we meet Lincoln (and other famous and infamous people from galactic history) and learn that Lincoln was a particular hero of Kirk’s.

232. Superman - February 25, 2013

We don’t really need any explanation as to how Prime Kirk is alive. Have a throwaway line by Kirk to the effect of, “I saved you from Genesis, you saved the real me from that weird space heaven, we’re even.” That’s all it takes.

It’s not like reason or depth were huge factors in Trek 09.

233. Jack - February 25, 2013

224. I thought they held off applase until the end…

234. jas_montreal - February 25, 2013

It was such a pleasure to see Bill in the old uniform. I miss those old star trek films :(

235. Vultan - February 25, 2013


Not this year.

236. Magic_Al - February 25, 2013

There seems to be a lot of outrage on the net today about the offensive content of the Seth MacFarlane jokes that Captain Kirk travelled back in time to prevent. As a result of Kirk’s intervention, we are now experiencing a quantum reality in which these jokes never occurred. It’s as though these critics don’t know how time travel works.

237. Basement Blogger - February 25, 2013

William Shatner just did it again. Saved the Oscars. Now, he led the effort to name a moon of Pluto, Vulcan.

238. Jonboc - February 25, 2013

A shuttle named after the Enterprise and now a moon named after Vulcan…at the good captain’s suggestion at that! Yep, Shatner is the man!

239. Bob Mack - February 25, 2013

Chris Pine is a working actor and he has no time to determine his own “look” if he has a role to play. For some of us his Oscar appearance was a big deal, but for Chris it’s a one night gig that happens to occur in the midst of his real job – acting in a film. He can’t just show up at the Oscars and derail his day job by shaving off the beard.

And how does a movie being visually appealing make it “Best Picture” worthy? The Oscars were never intended to select the “Best Picture” on the basis of how cool the effects are. There’s a specific award for that – it just isn’t “Best Picture.”

240. Captain Cohen - February 25, 2013

Anyone know where the footage of Captain Kirk saving Seth McFarlane at the Oscars have gone?

All links I see are no longer available..

241. Gene L. Coon was a U. S. Marine. Stand at ease. - February 25, 2013

It was a tremendous treat to see Shatner as Kirk last night. My position here, going back before the 2009 movie is that we WILL miss Shatner when he is gone, and will regret not seeing him as Kirk one more time. It is simply a shame.

As nice as it is to have Star Trek back and somewhat popular as a result of the ’09 movie, JJ & Co. are a side show. To paraphrase Belloq in Raiders, JJ et al are merely passing THROUGH Star Trek history. Shatner et al ARE Star Trek history. Someone said it above. Pine will do another movie or two, and be off to pursue his career. He is a guy playing the young Kirk. Shatner is the real Kirk.

As a guy nearing 50, Star Trek is a great part of my childhood, and I am very lucky to have had my childhood stories continued by the same actors when I was a young adult in the 80s. Everything I get from JJ &Co that is any good is gravy, and I am happy to have it.

But don’t try and tell me it wasn’t cool to see William Shatner sitting in the Enterprise Captain’s chair last night. Because it was.

242. D-Rock - February 25, 2013

Pretty good hair color for an 81 year old.

The sequence was not funny to start with, went on too long, Shatner as Kirk is irrelevant now. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.

243. dmduncan - February 25, 2013

222. Dee – lvs moon’ surface – February 25, 2013

Thanks. I love that clip!

244. Kirk Out - February 25, 2013

Shatner killed it.

245. dmduncan - February 25, 2013

Captain Kirk got a mention on ABC World News this evening.

246. Tim Handrahan - February 25, 2013

Shatner was outstanding!! Doesn’t matter how old he gets!!!!

247. Basement Blogger - February 25, 2013

Great night for Star Trek at the Oscars. Seth MacFarlane was funny and can sing. William Shatner as Captain Kirk to save the show was fun. Chris Pine and Zoe Saldana introduced the technical awards. tAnd Argo won Best Picture. Hollywood makeup legend John Chambers was depicted in the movie. His Trek credentials? He allegedly created Spock’s ears. Yes, I know it’s disputed but hey, Disney took Abrams so let us have a real hero.

Only disappointment? MacFarlane did not win for Best Song. Sorry, I’m a jazz fan. And his “Everybody Needs A Best Friend” was sweet. Official video below with clips not in the movie. One more great thing about the show. MacFarlane got Tommy Lee Jones to smile and laugh.

Official music video of “Everybody Needs a Best Friend” from “Ted.”

248. BringBackKirkPrime - February 25, 2013

Wow, to see the amazing Kirk Prime back in uniform was a great gift to us all. I’m glad Seth is such a big Star Trek fan. Kirk belongs in that Captains chair.

249. BringBackKirkPrime - February 25, 2013

You took the words out of my mouth 241:
It was a tremendous treat to see Shatner as Kirk last night. My position here, going back before the 2009 movie is that we WILL miss Shatner when he is gone, and will regret not seeing him as Kirk one more time. It is simply a shame.

As nice as it is to have Star Trek back and somewhat popular as a result of the ’09 movie, JJ & Co. are a side show. To paraphrase Belloq in Raiders, JJ et al are merely passing THROUGH Star Trek history. Shatner et al ARE Star Trek history. Someone said it above. Pine will do another movie or two, and be off to pursue his career. He is a guy playing the young Kirk. Shatner is the real Kirk.

As a guy nearing 50, Star Trek is a great part of my childhood, and I am very lucky to have had my childhood stories continued by the same actors when I was a young adult in the 80s. Everything I get from JJ &Co that is any good is gravy, and I am happy to have it.

250. Rose (as in Keachick) - February 25, 2013

Shatner is not James T Kirk of the 23rd century, nor is Chris Pine, nor is anyone else for that matter. Fact – James T Kirk is a FICTIONAL character and William Shatner could no more captain a space ship than Chris Pine could.

I had a dream – true. It was not a daydream, where you have some control over content etc. This was a sleeping dream.
I woke up remembering that I, Rose, was standing in between two men, “my captain”. On one side was William Shatner and on the other side of me was Chris Pine. I don’t usually dream this sort of thing ever, but I am not kidding here…

251. Uberbot - February 25, 2013

It was sad to see Shat still trying to “play Kirk”…

He shouldn’t have played Kirk in Generations. It was just to kill Kirk off…and he could have refused to be a part of that, but he agreed to do it.


252. Rose (as in Keachick) - February 25, 2013

#222 – Yes, Dee. That was the Darwin tremor scene. The other scene, which a person could miss if they weren’t paying complete attention is later when the Tremor brothers are in a lift and when it opens, Darwin, upon seeing a woman waiting for the lift, decides to do the “sexy armpit” dance…LOL Just so *bad* it was good. Smokin’ Aces is remembered because of how a minor character called Darwin Tremor was played.

#239 You could be right. Chris Pine’s own production, Mantivities (a comedy), is now listed as being in the pre-production phase, due for release in 2014. Given the premise and the fact that Chris Pine also acts in it, it is likely that his character may well be bearded – mountain-man style (eh, Dee…you know what I mean? :)). Beards, messy or otherwise, are easily shaven off but not so quickly grown again, especially if that is what a film requires – now.

253. New Horizon - February 25, 2013

Everyone seems to be raving about this but I honestly didn’t think it was very good at all. I didn’t see Kirk on screen, it was just Shatner in a movie era uniform doing schtick. So much time has passed, I don’t think he knows how to play Kirk anymore.

254. Craiger - February 25, 2013

I think they should have done that scene with Old Spock showing young Spock the hologram of Old Kirk congratulating him on becoming an Ambassador. However I wonder how much that would have cost just for a min. cameo?

255. MJ - February 25, 2013

“Everyone seems to be raving about this but I honestly didn’t think it was very good at all. I didn’t see Kirk on screen, it was just Shatner in a movie era uniform doing schtick. So much time has passed, I don’t think he knows how to play Kirk anymore.”

Yea, it was clumsy and awkward. It happened to be funny though — I will give him that much. But that was not Captain Kirk by any stretch (no pun intended) of the imagination.

256. Star Trek Family! - February 25, 2013

Most of you seem to forget that if it wasn’t for William Shatner , There would be NO Captain Kirk. So please stop with the Hate.

257. K-7 - February 25, 2013

#259. So no matter what he looks like and no matter how he behaves, we have to let him play Kirk still?

I don’t know what field you are in, but in the real world people have to retire and move on to other things in their life. It’s called “life” and “change.” Most people, and actors in particular, can’t usually do the same things as they age as when they were younger.

258. dave b - February 25, 2013

Argo won because it was about hollywood being the hero. It was a good film but not nearly as good as zero dark thirty or lincoln.

259. Gary S - February 25, 2013

Yes technically,he was Kirk last night but he was really playing the straight man and Introducing skits ,It was not really Kirk as we know him, it was still nice to see him in the uniform though .
I just hope that is not the last time see him as Kirk .

260. Emotionally Logical - February 25, 2013

I’m surprised there is so much animosity on here regarding this. This doesn’t need to be a Shatner vs Pine argument. Regardless of whether or not Pine is the new (nu) Kirk or not, imho it was great having Shatner back as Kirk one last time. I mean come on, give the guy one night for the character he brought to life!!

Even if he did sound more like Shatner and less like Kirk. The very fact that Seth Macfarlane was able to get this through at the Oscars speaks to Trek’s continuing relevance in Hollywood and more importantly in the world as a whole. Minus the Super Bowl this is possibly the biggest night in the entire year for TV and trek had a huge part in that.

On a personal note, It was huge when I heard the ST:TMP theme when Pine and Saldana came out to present!!

261. Red Dead Ryan - February 25, 2013

William Shatner was clearly making fun of himself at the Oscars.

I don’t think anyone in their right mind would put him into the next movie based on that performance, however.

Look, we’re all grateful for Shatner giving us one of the most iconic pop culture heroes of all time, but at some point, everyone has to step back and let someone else take the reigns.

262. David Goehner - February 25, 2013

Does this make William Shatner the first person in film/TV — ever — to portray the same character in 6 consecutive decades?

1960s – Original series
1970s – Animated series, 1st movie
1980s – Movies 2-5
1990s – Movie 6 and “Generations”
2000s – The “Direct TV” ad that also used ST6 footage
2010s – 2013 Oscar skit

263. Rose (as in Keachick) - February 25, 2013

I love both actors and the character they play…There!

264. MJ - February 25, 2013

Next thing you know, some fans will be telling us how the DirecTV ad and the Oscars gig fit into Trek canon. LOL

265. MJ - February 25, 2013

@263. I love Shatner through Star Trek IV, and Pine for Trek 2009.

266. Gary S - February 25, 2013

262 At the end of theDirecTV commercial he broke character with that last line .
It doesnt quite count .

267. Ahmed - February 25, 2013

Pine played Kirk in just one movie, you can’t say that he own the character. William Shanter on the other hand, made the character & imprint it with his own unique signature.

To me, Shatner will always be Kirk, regardless of others who play the characters after him.

268. Emotionally Logical - February 25, 2013


Just curious, what was wrong with Shatner in Star Trek VI?

269. MJ - February 25, 2013

OK, he was decent in six. He stunk in five and seven though,

270. Chris Miles - February 25, 2013

@262 – I was thinking the same thing. You might even count all the throwaway Trek references/ lines and considerable number of Trek alums in Boston Legal for the 2000’s

However you count it. I’ll bet (sadly) this is the last time we see Shatner in that Uniform in front of professional cameras and with an audience in the millions.

Nice way to round it out and put Shat as Kirk to bed.

Since we all here are the hard core classic Trek fans- Is it up to us as a group to say:

“Thanks, Mr Shatner – you took the character out on a high (and humorous) note … consider the baton passed.”

(Although personally I wouldn’t be opposed to Shatner Voice work in a Trek Themed Family Guy ep)

271. - February 26, 2013

I think most of us consider this to be canon.

Therefore Kirk obviously came back from the dead to captain the Enterprise once more.

272. K-7 - February 26, 2013

@270. See, people like this are basically saying this is canon already.

273. - February 26, 2013

Get Seth to make a Trek mini series. Set in the current universe but years into the future when Kirk and Spock are old, Played by Shatner and Nimoy.

A true death story that brings honor and dignity to the characters.

274. Theatre Historian_Levi - February 26, 2013

Basement blogger its actually not that hard to get TLJ, to laugh and smile.
When we hosted the premiere of Lincoln at the Chinese back in November.
One of our employees got a smile out of him and a hearty chuckle.

employee- have a good night
TLJ- Thank you, good night
employee Agent K just told me good night
(TLJ turns around and looks back)
employee- Oh my god he heard me say that just.
(TLJ chuckles and smiles and continues on his way.)

275. Hat Rick - February 26, 2013

I’m still not on board with McFarlane directing any real Trek, since he hasn’t done any drama that I know of. He’s good at comedy, but Trek isn’t comedy.

For those of you playing along at home, the Kirk we saw wasn’t canonical. It was a character played by an actor named William Shatner.

You see, in our timeline, the Trekverse stopped being real when it became a TV show in the 1960’s. This doesn’t mean that we never lived in a Trekverse, however, let alone that the universe of Star Trek doesn’t continue to exist in some other dimension. I have a theory that until Star Trek became a media property, the Federation and all its adjuncts did exist; it’s merely that someone went back in time and changed things so that it became merely a fictional franchise as far as we’re concerned.

How could something like this happen? it’s very simple; a change in a timeline is never ordinarily visible to those who are changed in it. If someone went back in time tomorrow and prevented the assassination of Lincoln, then from that point forward — the 27th day of February, 2013, as I write — Lincoln was never assassinated (or at least, not by John Wilkes Booth). This is a common time travel conceit. So by the same token, the fact that we know Star Trek as only a fictional franchise doesn’t mean that its universe was always fictional.

The question is, why would anyone change our timeline in precisely that way?

276. Hat Rick - February 26, 2013

^^ Soon to become a fictional (?) novel sold at on Internet site near you. ;-)

277. ObsessiveStarTrekFan - February 26, 2013

…Which brings us to the various hypotheses regarding multiverses… There are a number of different theories. The jury is still out, and by the very nature of the beast, may always be still out. I found this article on Scientific American (July 19, 2011) entitled ‘Does the Multiverse Really Exist?’ If anyone is interested, the link is

There are also a number of scientific books on cosmology that deal with this in more depth. I can almost cope with some of those written for the layman, but if there’s too much math, my brain explodes.

278. - February 26, 2013

The Kirk we saw was not Canonical?

No way!

279. Jack - February 26, 2013

Since there’ve been no recent Star Trek ID posts, I’ll post this here. I just deleted the movie app: the lack of content (I know, I know, we still have 2.5 months to go) was pissing me off. The exclusive content so far (available to all on you tube): A lamely animated version of the poster and an interview with Zoe’s Ocsar stylist? And the assignments were starting to bug me: scan the Oscar logo, scan a photo of Iman, go to Chicago’s Millenium Park (I doubt this is a clue). If you’re rolling out something like this, you should have a solid plan for maintaining content.

280. Garth Faction - February 26, 2013

Surprise, what we saw was filmed to be a part of ST:ITD, where TOS Kirk went back in time trying to find Spock and went back too far… and got trapped in the 20th century. He changed things around, so that he became Khan’s father and named him John Harrison (not knowing he would take on the name Khan). And he’s been in orbit, hiding it, preparing for the time when he can send his son into the future to give vengeance.. vengeance for what? For having half a life as a fool in orbit, of course…

See it all fits together after all!

281. T'Cal - February 26, 2013

Finally saw it as The Walking Dead was on at the same time and that is a priority. Shatner’s a genius as always and Seth is much more talented than I ever imagined. Great show!

282. Disinvited - February 26, 2013

#150. ILM Operative – February 25, 2013

” Do any of you think Shatner will ever get a Oscar lifetime achievement award?”- ILM Operative

Given that he was in THE BROTHERS KARAMAZOV and JUDGEMENT AT NUREMBERG, and if he lives just a bit longer, I’d say he has a decent shot at it.

283. Damian - February 26, 2013

I think Chris Pine has done well enough. As some have noted, Shatner will always be THE Captain Kirk. No doubt about that. But the franchise has moved so far past the original series that to go back would not make much sense. I have to agree with the naysayers on having Shatner back as Kirk. Shatner’s acting as Captain Kirk took a turn for the worse in Star Trek V, VI and Generations. Most people overlooked his acting in VI because it was a popular movie. My father, a huge fan of TWOK, actually was glad they finally killed him off in Generations.

When The Next Generation came out, I couldn’t imagine Star Trek without the original characters. Now I can’t imagine going back to the original cast. Nimoy’s role did a great job of tying everything together, so this movie was not a true reboot, but a continuation of everything that came before. His role was necessary for that bridge. Now it’s time to let the birds fly on their own. The actors all did well enough to deserve that right (well, maybe except Yelchin, he needs to tone down the Russian accent just a bit).

284. Hat Rick - February 26, 2013

@ObsessiveStarTrekFan (277), the current trend appears to deny the reality of multiverses, but I’m not sure what the truth is. We do know that the perception of the universe various from perceiver to perceiver, so in a sense, there’s always been a multiverse (the universe from your perspective is always different from mine because we are different individuals).

A computerized more evolved perceiver that (or who) can somehow consolidate two or more perceptions into one would present possibly an entirely knew type of consciousness.

There is a new search for something called a fifth force of the universe additional to the four traditional forces (gravity, electromagnetic force (strong), etc.). There is also a concurrent search for the vast majority of matter (something like 90 percent), that is apparently missing (dark matter).

Such concepts (dark matter, new forms of energy, and even dark energy), as well as by-now more familiar tenets such as zero-point energy and the Higgs-Boson particle that has been so much in the news point to the lack of knowledge we really have about the universe.

Some years ago, it was thought that the universe consisted of “branes,” or membranes, existing in as many as 27 dimensions, as I recall.

And, as previously mentioned, certain theories seem to go in and out of fashion. While “supersymmetry” appears to be more disfavored, the previously exotic black hole seems to be accepted as real, even though we have never actually directly seen one. Same thing with warp travel: The Alcubierre Drive was doubted, and now a NASA scientist thinks he can design a working experiment for it.

Work on all these things are happening at a university near you. (And/or at NASA.)

285. Hat Rick - February 26, 2013

Erratum: “Work … is happening at a university near you.”

286. Disinvited - February 26, 2013

#150. ILM Operative – February 25, 2013

However, I does concern me that in clipping his achievements in film for a retrospective after those two that I mentioned, that the Academy would short shrift Trek picking “funny” Trek film clips to transition to his comedic work in AIRPLANE II, LOADED WEAPON, MISS CONGENIALITY I&II, ESCAPE FROM PLANET EARTH ending in a clip from his Oscar skit.

287. Hat Rick - February 26, 2013

@Disinvited (286): The same thing might happen to Bill Murray, except in reverse. Murray is still probably better known as a comedic actor, but he’s done some dramatic roles, including “Razor’s Edge.” His much more recent “The Life Aquatic With Steve Zissou” has him in a tragi-comic role as the title character. By the way, if you haven’t seen “Life Aquatic,” be prepared for a quirky film. As befits a film by Wes Anderson, for some, it may be an acquired taste — it’s neither a traditional drama, nor a traditional comedy, nor even a traditional tragi-comedy. The characterizations are so subtly comedic that you might find yourself somewhat bored, until you observe the details and think about it a little. Willem Dafoe does a great turn as a relatively minor character.

But I do hope they take Shatner’s work seriously, in any event.

It may be hard to believe, but Shatner in a sense started to parody himself (and Kirk) in film as early as “Airplane II” (and in television, much earlier, in that in famous “get a life” skit on SNL).

As I’ve said, more people around the world saw Captain Kirk in that comedy bit than have ever seen any single movie or television episode of Star Trek.

288. Phil - February 26, 2013

@282. No. Maybe an Emmy, but outside of the Trek movies his big screen career is non-existent.

289. msn1701 - February 26, 2013

Dear Garth Faction,

My favorite show is the X-Files. (TOS is second.) If it ever got rebooted, I would say that David Duchovny WAS Mulder. However, I would give the new person playing Mulder a chance just to see what he could do. I would appreciate hommages to the original Mulder, but I would ultimately want him to put his own spin on the character. He can’t really do that in the first episode (or movie) because it would be an origin story. But the second episode (or movie) I could see it as a strong possibility. And this is from someone who was obsessed with DD back in the day.

Make sense? The reboot would be COMPLETELY SEPARATE from the original canon.

Thanks! :)

290. Yanks - February 26, 2013

@ 289. msn1701 – February 26, 2013

I was never able to watch the series as it aired. I’m currently watching the entire series right now. I’m currently in season 5 and LOVING it!!

291. John Ward - February 26, 2013

. I think that Bill has been treated badly by CBS. Ever since the time line was changed in Trek 2009 it would have been easy to bring older Jim back because his destiny had been changed. He doesn’t have to die the way it was shown in Generations because the time line has been changed. Doesn’t anyone realize this? And even though he likes comedy Bill is a good serious actor having started out in the Royal Canadian Shakespearian company. He deserves more respect than he is getting.

292. Hat Rick - February 26, 2013

@JohnWard (291) I agree that Bill Shatner is an excellent actor and deserves the respect of all Trek fans for his role in the Trek mythos.

293. Disinvited - February 26, 2013

#288. Phil – February 26, 2013

You are just confused about what the Academy acknowledges in its Lifetime Achievement Honorary Awards. BK was a DGA winner and JAN had Oscars, his Trek films have never been so acknowledged. Besides his career in film isn’t just acting, he has the breadth of Director, writer, composer, and producer. He has a short and a documentary under his belt as well. If he lives long enough they’ll honor him.

The only caveat is if he manages to win an Oscar in some other yet to be filmed project.

294. Thomas - February 26, 2013

With all the talk about Shatner and whether he’s disrespected of not, I might as well toss in my two cents.

First, I didn’t see the Oscars; I was at church at the time, and the video has been removed. I know a lot of people here loved it and I probably would’ve enjoyed it. That said, I admit I had no particular desire to see Shatner back in uniform again. I don’t hate Shatner, and I don’t want to be disrespectful, but at some point I just stopped buying him in the role. Shatner’s a personality rather than an actor. That’s not to say he shouldn’t be active anymore. Shatner’s Raw Nerve was a great talk show; he’s a surprisingly engaging and disarming interviewer. Personally, I’d rather see him do more of that than put on the uniform again. I think people are looking at things though command-gold colored glasses.

295. Damian - February 26, 2013

294–Agree. I’ve always said that Shatner will always be the Captain Kirk. Chris Pine did a good job in the role, but people will always identify Kirk with Shatner.

But unless someone’s delusional, you have to admit there was a significant change in his acting between Star Trek IV and V. Something about directing V affected his acting style. He really started almost making a parody of himself. He was never the same. Like I noted his acting was the same in VI, but it was a good film so I sort of overlooked it. And of course in Generations.

It really just comes down to that I said my good-byes in Generations to Captain Kirk. I never had a problem with his death (we all die), though the method of his death was not the best. If you didn’t like Generations, then VI had a well done final scene with the original crew.

To somehow shoehorn him into a film now would require a distraction from the story (how did he come back, is this Prime Kirk or an aged Nu-Kirk), and frankly, his current acting style just does not seem to fit the character anymore.

I don’t have a problem with him reliving the role in awards shows and so forth. That’s fine. But all the actors of all the shows have largely accepted Star Trek has moved on (they all have said they would do a role in a movie–but they’d be fools not too, but they all say it with a wink–they know they’re not likely to be asked). Hell, even Rick Berman, the Darth Vader of Star Trek to many folks out there (though I never had a problem with him) is content to just be a part of Star Trek history now.

296. Phil - February 26, 2013

@293. No, I’m not. Shatner isn’t going to get a award for keeping busy. The honorary awards usually go to individuals who have distinguished themselves in some fashion or another, not just for keeping busy.

297. Superman - February 26, 2013

This whole debate brings up my one big problem with the idea of the reboot: it was conceived as a film series.

I enjoyed Trek 09 and look forward to Into Darkness, but I would rather have seen the reboot in TV show form on a channel like AMC or Showtime where it could go on for years and give us long-lasting new voyages of the NCC-1701 and her crew.

Three movies just doesn’t cut it for me.

As for Shatner, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: there are likely thousands (maybe more) of people who dislike what they THINK they know about Shatner or have seen him do. There are indeed MILLIONS of people who love Shatner because they know he’s not perfect, but that he is a damn fine, Shakespearean-trained actor, a man who gives to charity, and someone who breathed life into one of the greatest fictional characters of all time: Captain James T. Kirk.

The only mistake I think he made was agreeing to Generations.


298. Damian - February 26, 2013

296–I have to agree. He has had fair success outside of Star Trek, but I can’t honestly say it will get him a lifetime achievement award. At the end of the day, he will always be known as Captain Kirk first and foremost. Like it or not, Star Trek is just not on the Academy’s radar (at least in areas people pay attention to, like Best Picture, Best Actor and so forth).

Having people out there that parody your acting doesn’t help either.

299. Phil - February 26, 2013

@298. The guys medium is TV, anyway, so a special Emmy is a real possibility. Nothing to sneeze at…and Shat has been laughing all the way to the bank in recent years. Seriously, though, when you look at the folks who have won honorary awards, Shat’s out of that league, too.

300. randomguy - February 26, 2013

@213. Phil you are completely wrong, all of the main reboot cast have said they would gladly continue making Trek films beyond the third one they are obligated to do, there were frikin articles about it. What is it with you do you just pick and choose what available information to pay attention to?

They are certainly not in any hurry to leave Trek behind, look to comments like Pine’s “kidnap JJ and force him to direct the next one”, Pegg and Urban would almost do it for free going by their comments on the matter. Grow up!

301. ObsessiveStarTrekFan - February 26, 2013

@284. Hat Rick

Yes, I find this stuff absolutely ‘fascinating’ and still follow it to an extent. I actually thought I wanted to do Physics research in cosmology or particle physics when I left school – that was back in the day when Steady State theory, although largely discredited, still had some adherents, so that gives you an idea of how old I am. However, I quickly learned that I wasn’t good enough at math for it, even though I was good enough at math to major in Pure Mathematics at university, so I settled for a career in IT instead. …and none of that would have happened without StarTrek as that was my inspiration to go on to tertiary education and complete a Science degree, becoming the first person in my family to be tertiary educated.

I am sure there are many of us who can say they would not be who they are, and where they are, if not for the influence of Star Trek in their formative years.

302. So true! - February 26, 2013

I LOVE what Seth posted today (2013-02-26) to Twitter:

Seth MacFarlane ‏@SethMacFarlane

The Oscars is basically the Kobayashi Maru test.

303. Tom - February 26, 2013

Maybe one of the fan series could ask Bill to do the hologram scene. Of courde Leonard Nimoy really opens it though. It would really be an alternate ending and could really end the debate

304. Jefferies Tuber - February 26, 2013

Fact: Shatner would not accept payment commensurate with a cameo and insisted Paramount honor his favored nations clause with Nimoy. Shatner is the Man. One of my heroes. But let’s put the Shatner-as-martyr thing to rest.

305. Lostrod - February 26, 2013



Could you enlighten us how you KNOW this. It may be your opinion, but unless you have ESP or can do a Vulcan mind meld with the actor, it’s not a fact. :)

We obviously agree that Mr Shatner is the Man. But I disagree with your “facts”.


306. ksmsscu - February 26, 2013

Pretty good discussion, people, as long as we stay away from hating Shatner or Pine. CP agreed to do this but it’s JJ who is making Trek for the masses in the summer. If we’re lucky, we may get a good or excellent character-driven TV series out of it all.

But I have to agree with the Garth Faction. Jackie Gleason IS Ralph Kramden. James Gandolfini IS Tony Soprano. John Noble IS Walter Bishop. Reboot the shows in 20 years with good young actors, but the personas and performances have already been etched in history.

Bill Shatner, Leonard Nimoy and DeForest Kelley ARE Kirk/Spock/McCoy. That’s not going to change even if STID is a very good film. New actors are truly working in a Nu alternate timeline/universe. How long are we going to argue and whine about this?

Kudos again, Mr. Shatner. You proudly wear that TWOK uniform and BE Captain James T. Kirk on your 100th birthday!

307. LizardGirl - February 26, 2013

I really don’t think Bill Shatner is a victim of anything, especially of JJ Abrams “being mean” to him. It’s redundant to keep begging to “fit him in” the new series somewhere. Makes no sense. As stated by someone earlier, Shatner’s making money, hand over fist. He’s not suffering in the least. So let’s put that thinking aside.

Also, let’s look to the future of Trek. Regardless if you agree with it or not. At least Star Trek HAS a future, Lol! Think of the alternate: a great franchise slowing sinking into obscurity–NOOOOO! And for the love of God, actually applaud someone’s audacity to bring it to the big screen (with great actors, producers, director, crews, etc.) and current pop culture.

308. crazydaystrom - February 26, 2013

306. ksmsscu –
“But I have to agree with the Garth Faction. Jackie Gleason IS Ralph Kramden. James Gandolfini IS Tony Soprano. John Noble IS Walter Bishop. Reboot the shows in 20 years with good young actors, but the personas and performances have already been etched in history.”

I have to disagree with Garth and you, ksmsscu. Tony Soprano and Walter Bishop have only been played by one actor each and Ralph Kramden was only played by on other actor in an unsuccessful film. Answer me this – Who IS James Bond? Who IS Hamlet? Who IS Sherlock Holmes? Those questions can be answered but will only indicate preferences and favorites. I’m a Shatner fan and it may turn out he will always be my favorite Kirk. But I’m open to the possibility that may one day not be the case.

309. Bender Bending Rodriguez - February 26, 2013

It was such an unexpected pleasure in so many ways! First and foremost, CAPTAIN KIRK! Second, SHATNER! Third, the Oscars usually don’t pay much attention to sci-fi, except for maybe best special effects or best score. So to see such a loving tip of the hat to Star Trek was just wonderful. Plus, it was right at the beginning, not buried in the middle or toward the end.

I miss Shatner’s Kirk. I really like Pine’s Kirk, but the Shat will always be the original captain. Although I very much loved ST:09 and am waiting with much anticipation as to STID, I already know I will be leaving the theatre a little sad not seeing Mr. Shatner in the Captain’s chair.

So rock on Mr. Shatner! Thanks for giving us Star Trek fans a little treat. I know I’ll be thinking of you while enjoying the new movie.

310. crazydaystrom - February 26, 2013

That should have been ‘Ralph Kramden was only played by *one* other actor (besides Gleason)’

311. Shilliam Watner (Click Name for Trek Poster) - February 26, 2013

Anybody saying that only Shatner can be Kirk is really just saying that they refuse to accept anybody else in the role. Otherwise the statement is starkly false. There’s certainly no law stating that only William Shatner can play the role.

It’s about one’s willingness to accept the passing of an icon into another generation. If Kirk is to continue, somebody else must play him. It makes perfect sense, and I want to see these characters continue. Chris Pine has had a scant two hours to create his Kirk. He needs to be given a break. What he did was very good, and points to a lot of potential to me.


312. Harry Ballz - February 26, 2013

Even if Shatner lost 30 pounds AND they taped his sagging face back AND they erased all his wrinkles with CGI AND they begged him to TRY and give a credible dramatic performance (good luck with that)……I still don’t think he could pull it off.

That starship has sailed!

313. shilliam Watner (Click Name for Trek Poster) - February 26, 2013

Don’t mince words, Ballz, what do you really think?

314. Red Dead Ryan - February 26, 2013

It’s pretty much set in stone that William Shatner won’t be reprising his role as Kirk again.

I think it would do a disservice to Chris Pine, who I think did an outstanding job last time around, and will blow our socks off in the sequel as well.

William Shatner may always “be” Kirk, but that doesn’t mean Pine can’t be as well, at least as long as he’s playing him.

I think we all have to accept that the classic characters are now being played, and reinterpreted, by new young actors who are rising stars in their own right.

315. K-7 - February 27, 2013

Dirk Benedict was Starbuck

Jack Nicolson was The Joker

Johnny Carson was The Tonight Show

Jack Lord was Magarrad

Gene Wilder was Willie Wonka

Dick York was Darren

Sean Connery was James Bond

Christopher Reeve was Superman

Adam West was Batman

Get my point here folks?

316. Jack - February 27, 2013

Shat’s worth hundreds of millions, he just had a really long bit as Kirk on The Oscars and, at 82, he’s constantly working. How is he a victim?

It’s like saying Sean Connery deserves a part in every James Bond movie, or Adam West deserved a part in Batman Begins.

‘It would be cool to see him” is one thing, but I still don’t get all the claims of JJ’s “disrespecting Shatner.” It’s like calling Obama a radical communist.

317. Jack - February 27, 2013

“Star Trek was an attempt to say that humanity will reach maturity and wisdom on the day that it begins not just to tolerate, but take a special delight in differences in ideas and differences in life forms. If we cannot learn to actually enjoy those small differences, to take a positive delight in those small differences between our own kind, here on this planet, then we do not deserve to go out into space and meet the diversity that is almost certainly out there.”
— Gene Roddenberry

318. Nick - February 27, 2013

Awesome footage … & good on Bill for enhancing the Oscars.

Certainly didn’t hit a nerve centre for me wanting to critically compare 2 actors playing the same character from 2 eras. I guess it did for some & all power to them in precisely establishing their ideal bench-mark.

I love the comments about the ‘non canon’ computer graphics behind the ‘incorrect’ Captain’s chair … well done for pointing this out …. I’d remember your name if I hadn’t forgotten it already.

Go Bill, Go Chris …. & Bill, can you please return Jimmy’s jacket?

319. Jack - February 27, 2013

Wasn’t that the Captain’s chair from Trek VI (grey upholstery) — same with the set bit behind him? I guess paramount had this stuff in storage — which surprises me as I thought they’d auctioned off everything Trek ever. It’s pretty impressive that somebody made sure all the details were right.

I was one of the geeks (perhaps the only one) who got annoyed when Shat appeared in TV Guide a few years back in uniform but with a collar that never had appeared onscreen (it was white but had an opening in front, kind of like Spock’s TMP collar — maybe to fit Bill’s neck?).

320. Stephan - February 27, 2013

Hello at all. Have you seen this? A new Into Darkness Trailer is underway…



321. Jim Nightshade - February 27, 2013

mmm any scifi fan here would love fringe if you didnt see it originally….i had parts of a letter i sent to tv guide about fringe printed in last weeks issue…anyone with amazon prime can watch first 4 seasons free and netflix recently signed a deal where they will have fringe too….in season one clint howard…rons bro and tos tronya baby alien has a cameo scene where hes this star trek conspiracy guy it was soo funny….,

322. Jack - February 27, 2013

“What’s the difference between an actor and a movie star? An actor is someone who pretends to be somebody else. A movie star is somebody who pretends that somebody else is them.”
– Nick Meyer

323. Jack - February 27, 2013

Sorry. I’m procrastinating this morning by apparently looking up every quote ever made…

324. Hat Rick - February 27, 2013

@ObsessiveStarTrekFan (301), thanks for your interesting reply. I think we live in interesting times, and with more people having seen Captain Kirk as a result of the telecast of the character during the Oscars, who knows what will happen?

I would think that many people know Shatner by now more as a comedic actor. Those who enjoy him in such roles might want to look up his dramatic role as Kirk, and therefore develop an interesting in the series — leading to an interest in science fiction and real science.

I can think of no better consequence for what Bill has done.

P.S.: Kirk’s still only a character in OUR universe… and one can interpret that however one wants. ;-)

325. Hat Rick - February 27, 2013

Alternative Explanation:


As Kirk scanned the temporal readout, it seemed more and more certain that the Excelsior would meet its unpleasant fate. But … there was always a way, wasn’t there?

“Spock, the Excelsior is doomed if we don’t act now.”

“Agreed, Captain.” Spock responded almost instinctively as he scrutinized his scanner.


“None, Captain. Nothing we do now can affect the fate of the Excelsior.”

Kirk swung around in his chair. “‘Unless…,’ right, Spock? There’s always an ‘unless.'”

“I’m afraid not this time, Captain. The Excelsior is doomed. The temporal certitude factor is 99.999 percent, at the resolution of our sensors. We are too far away to help, and there are no starships within the vicinity.”

“What about … time travel?”

“Sorry, Captain. It’s of no use. The Excelsior itself is traveling uncontrollably through a temporal anomaly and it will collapse the universe in precisely 47.88 minutes through the Strasse-Berman Effect, by which …”

“I know about the Strasse-Berman Effect, Spock, no need to be pendantic. We have 47 minutes to think of something or we’re all dead. And by ‘we’ I mean our entire universe!”

“That’s it!” Bones exclaimed. “That’s the solution!”

Kirk looked first at the doctor, and then at Spock. “WHAT’S the solution?”

“The Braga Principle! Don’t you SEE? THAT’S the solution!”

Spock raised an eyebrow. “Fascinating. That might just work.”

“Spock, explain!”

“Our universe is encapsulated within a multivariate substrate — a ‘foam,’ if you will — adjacent to many others. We know this universe to be ours — to be real. But in other universes, the Excelsior — and you, and me, and the Enterprise — are merely figments of a writer’s imagination. If we delve into such a universe, and (tech) (tech) (tech), then the Excelsior can be rescued merely by a stroke of a pen. And with the Excelsior, the universe itself.”

“So, you’re saying that in order to save the universe — OUR universe — we must become unreal?”

“Precisely, Captain. Precisely.”

“Spock, what’s the closest temporal portal?”

“February 24, 2013, on Earth….”

326. Phil - February 27, 2013

@320. Yeah, it hits theaters May 14th….

327. Disinvited - February 27, 2013

#298. Damian – February 26, 2013

Except in the case where the actor isactively leading the parody in which case it becomes something else.

Besides, Shatner wasn’t at some remote location Oscar night phoning it in – he was actually there discussing horses with Tommy Lee Jones. The wheels are already in motion for Shatner to be nominated for an Honorary award. He was there and they are aware.

The days of the 50s and 60s where being successful in television got you banned from being acknowledged for your work in the motion picture industry are long gone.

#296. Phil – February 26, 2013

If Edgar Bergen could win an Honorary Oscar for a comedy character that wasn’t originated on the big screen, I’m pretty sure Shatner is well on his way.

True, the Academy tries to take itself seriously, but if it’s a choice between being being overly pompous or being persevered as still relevant by goosing their ratings by putting Shatner in: go with the ratings.

I even fancy that they’ll probably, knock on wood, give Nimoy his at the same time.

328. TrekMadeMeWonder - February 27, 2013

Man, that was bad (Shatners and the whole McFarlame Oscar’s vid). I had to fast forward a lot through that. That was a real labor trying to enjoy some Trek-time.

329. Jack - February 27, 2013

What, nobody liked “We saw your boobs?” Even my 72-year-old mother thought it was funny. They promised ‘extremely offensive’ and, yep, the next day sites like Vulture and Salon had pieces calling McF misogynist and accusing him of glorifying sexual assault. And other sites breathlessly described how the actresses were offended — except their reactions were from other award shows (similar to how a bunch of sites said Gary Mitchell must be the Trek villain after Karl Urban’s joke to a reporter).

330. Stephan - February 27, 2013


Maybe it’s because of the weather, but I really don’t get, what you are trying to say?

331. Red Dead Ryan - February 27, 2013


I found nothing offensive about the “We saw your boobs” bit. He was referring to actresses who bared their chests in movies. Fair game.

Having said that, I didn’t think it was necessarily funny, either. It was rather bland, I thought.

Now, had he referred to Mr. Shatner’s man-boobs, that would have garnered some guffaws!

332. Corman - February 27, 2013

“He was referring to actresses who bared their chests in movies. Fair game.”

But it’s not necessarily fair game for viewers. The bit didn’t offend me at all (and I thought Seth did a good job overall), but it was pretty awkward watching it with my dear old grandmother…

333. Red Dead Ryan - February 27, 2013


Well maybe it was because there was no punchline.

334. Disinvited - February 27, 2013

#332. Corman – February 27, 2013

Reminds me of a story of my great grandmother who in her 90s walked in on my grandmother who was watching her soaps on tv and asked “How come they have kids and get pregnant but nobody [f-bomb]s?”

335. dmduncan - February 27, 2013


Cone on, RDR. We all know you wear a double D cup.

336. dmduncan - February 27, 2013

Trying something new here. I’ve always seen people working from Starbucks with their laptops. Now I’m one!

Anticipate more typos as I fumble with this iPad screen.

337. Thomas - February 27, 2013

316. Jack

I agree with your point; if you’re going to reinvent a franchise and then keep bringing back the original actors, it’s a tacit admission that what you were doing can’t succeed on its own. It worked for Nimoy in ST09, admittedly, but it was story-appropriate. Besides, what character has been part of Trek longer than Spock? I want to see this new cast do its own thing.

I don’t know what if anything it may say about me, but I found myself more readily engaged by Pine-Kirk more than I ever have by Shatner-Kirk. When I watch TOS, I always seem to find myself more drawn to whatever Spock and/or McCoy are doing, and I feel less interested whenever Shatner-Kirk is on screen. I don’t really know why it is, I just know it’s that way.

338. Spockchick - February 27, 2013

@315. K-7
But as any red-blooded heterosexual woman will tell you…
Sean Connery IS James Bond. I’ll be in my bunk.

339. Corman - February 27, 2013

#333 – Good point. A punchline would have made it a lot more fun to watch (for men and women of all ages).

340. Phil - February 27, 2013

@327. It’s not where the character origionated, it’s an award for lifetime achievement, or to recognize an effort that does not fit into existing catagories.Mr. Bergen aside (and you could probably argue he does deserve the honor), by handing Shatner one you are elevating him in status to the likes of Hope, Olivier, Guniess, Welles, and others. It’s great that Shatner keeps busy, but his body of work doesn’t pass the sniff test. If the bar drops that low, why not give one to Brent Spiner? He sings, dances, acts, writes and directs, too. Didn’t Ed Wood meet that criteria?

Shatner is better suited for an lifetime achievement Emmy, TV has always been his medium. There’s no shame in that.

341. Rose (as in Keachick) - February 27, 2013

I know I have said this before but if Shatner were to appear in any of the present Star Trek movie series, he should NOT play (Captain) James Tiberius Kirk. Chris Pine is now that character. He could play an older Kirk relative though… no one is expecting any of the other original TOS cast to play their original characters. It does not make sense to expect Shatner to play his Kirk who died a while back on Veridian III in the prime universe. Whatever one might think of Star Trek: Generations, prime Kirk’s death is canon and trying to mess with it, as some have suggested in other threads, looks desperate and pathetic, which is why the Supreme Court have not done it – thank goodness.

Recycling of Trek actors within the Trek franchise is not unknown. I have just the entire first season of Enterprise and have seen at least three actors turn in episodes of Enterprise playing a different character from the one they played in another series or film.
Rene Auberjonois – Star Trek VI, DS9 and Enterprise
Ethan Phillips – Voyager and Enterprise
Robert Pine (yes – Chris Pine’s father) – Voyager and Enterprise
Jeffrey Combs – DS9 and Enterprise

I am sure there are more. Amazing what make up and reasonable acting skills can produce…

PS – The captain of the Enterprise (Captain Pine/Kirk) in this alternate universe does need a descendant of Porthos as mascot. That beagle is a character in his own right and deserves to see a descendant or two carrying on the fine Enterprise captain/beagle tradition. Make it happen, Supreme Court!!!

342. Phil - February 27, 2013

@341. How about an Aye-aye for a mascot?

343. Rose (as in Keachick) - February 27, 2013

Sorry – this is me thinking a word as I type the next word

“…just WATCHED the entire first…”

“…least three actors turn UP in episodes…”

344. Rose (as in Keachick) - February 27, 2013

No, an aye aye is not a beagle. Gotta be a beagle or other small good looking mutt of the canine variety…

345. Phil - February 27, 2013

Aw, come on – we need a hideous little creature to make Keenser feel a little better….

Okay, but if it HAS to be a beagle….

346. Phil - February 27, 2013

Here you go, the captains beagle…

347. Disinvited - February 27, 2013

#340. Phil – February 27, 2013

Bergen was given his specifically for Charlie. It was even made out of wood for corn sake! And let me remind you Bergen was a RADIO ventriloquist in that his abilities were perfectly suited to that medium and not on screen.

The Academy’s Honorary Award can be given just out for any reason they so chose and isn’t as highfaluting as you make it out to be.

Charlie McCarthy on par with Hope, Olivier, Guinness, Welles, etc. but not Shatner/Nimoy on Trek’s 50th anniversary?

However I will grant you that they can make the presentation of the award highfaluting as it isn’t always presented at the ceremony.

348. Jack - February 27, 2013

Kirk’s not a beagle kind of guy. Nor is he a Great Dane kind of guy, as Shatner is.

349. Jack - February 27, 2013

Kirk’s not a beagle kind of guy. Nor is he a Great Dane kind of guy, as Shatner is.

350. Phil - February 27, 2013

@347. Okay, I get you might not like ventrilquists. I’m also not going to debate what the Academy gets right or wrong. If you look at the honorary list as a whole, though, it’s an impressive list of people. So, why, exactly, does Shatner deserve an honorary award? His directing skills? Singing voice? Priceline commercials? He’s probably just as well known as Denny Crane as Cap’t Kirk these days. Humanitarian work? USO shows…
Sorry, but this resume has honorary EMMY written all over it. Time will tell, I guess.

351. Rose (as in Keachick) - February 27, 2013

Red Dead Ryan,
It’s not fair game how would like a song about your junk

352. Disinvited - February 27, 2013

#350. Phil – February 27, 2013

I’ll excuse your youth. Bergen, as Candice’s father would often openly admit, was famous for not being a very good ventriloquist: he moved his lips which is why he went into radio where he gained his fame.

In 1937 when he got the award he had absolutely no major motion picture under his belt unlike where Shatner’s career is and was. His career was the tv of its day: radio.

353. Red Dead Ryan - February 27, 2013


Yeah, I wear a double-D bra. Except with nothing to hold on to, it slides down.



I wouldn’t care. Go ahead. Write a song about my junk, punk.

354. Phil - February 27, 2013

@352. I was 14 then the guy died – not my generation, but I’m familiar with his work. I’m not prepared to say the guy was a bad choice – assuming that it was a horrible choice, how does making another horrible choice by giving Shatner one justify it? Ernest Borgnine had a long, busy career, like Shatner, I would not give him an Academy award, either….oh, wait, Borgnine has an Oscar. Sorry, Bill.

We are beating a dead horse here – give the man his honorary Emmy, and lets move on.

355. Rose (as in Keachick) - February 27, 2013

The imposter is back. Post #351 is not mine. Red Dead Ryan, I suggested no such thing. My last post was #344.

356. Rose (as in Keachick) - February 27, 2013

No wait my last post was number 343, I am so confused.

357. Rose (as in Keachick) - February 27, 2013

#348 – I don’t know. Prime Kirk had a Great Dane called Butler (ST VII). BTW, William Shatner used to breed Doberman Pinschers.

The smaller beagle would be a more suitable canine for space ship voyages. Larger dogs need more space and more exercise. I suppose Kirk could go for a miniature pinscher.

The miniature pinscher is about half the size of an average beagle.


Chris Pine – you choose!

I hope Bob Orci is reading this and will allow our Pine/Kirk a choice here. This is not trivia. This is IMPORTANT!

358. Rose (as in Keachick) - February 27, 2013

Moderator – Please remove the imposter’s posts. Rose is also my actual name. This person has no right to use my name (in vain).

359. Rose (as in Keachick) - February 27, 2013

Keenser’s OK. I mean, at least, Scotty understands him. It’s only a matter of time before others come to understand and appreciate Keenser.

I believe that Keenser is back in STID. This is great because, hopefully, it will give some of the Keenser naysayers a better chance to get to know the little fella.

Gosh, anyone would think that the universe is only populated by human/humanoid species and that the only concern and interest should be about their (petty) vengeful states, wants, desires etc. In fact, further could be the truth, however, as of today, many of these other creatures have and do become the pitiful victims of many a humanoid’s cruelty and stupidity.

Having a creature like Porthos aboard a starship like the Enterprise may help to remind humans that other beings also exist and also have wants/needs as well. Coming to know these animals and to be able to provide for their needs could be deemed an honour and privilege.

360. Phil - February 27, 2013

@359. From a practical standpoint, if a majority of creatures are bipedal in the Federation, their constructs are going to reflect this. As slick as it might seem to have Horta running aroound the Enterprise, their needs would be so radically different that they would have to explore space in ships of unique design to their needs. No issues with non-bipedal members of the Federation, I just would not expect to see them on a ship designed for use by bipedals.

361. MJ - February 27, 2013

The reason Keenser works and Jar Jar Binks doesn’t is because Keenser keeps his mouth shut. He’s basically like a Wookie — Scotty understands him just like Solo understood Chewie.

This is kind of cool, and eliminates the need for a lame sounding voice.

362. Harry Ballz - February 27, 2013

I’ll bet CBS provided Shatner with a uniform that James Doohan used to wear!

Oh, and just to be clear, that is no slight against Jimmy Doohan, but more of a comment on Mr. Shatner’s expanding girth.

And, yeah yeah, don’t bother commenting about “you should look as good at 81!”

Old age, the final frontier, these are the times to explore strange new buffet tables, to seek out as many calories as one can consume, to expand one’s waistline where it has never gone before!

363. MJ - February 27, 2013

“The caloric adventure is just beginning…”

“In Space, No One Can Hear You Eat”

“How on Earth can they save the calories.”

“An Adventure 65 Pounds In The Making”

“Two steaks enter. One steak leaves.”

“At the end of the universe lies the beginning of the buffet”

“A long time ago at a Dennys far, far away”

“You’ll Believe a Man Can Eat”

364. James - February 27, 2013

There goes rose playing the Victims card yet again, after making a post that gets everyone mad at here. Claiming its not her but an imposter.

365. Harry Ballz - February 27, 2013


yes, it began with Shatner eating up the scenery……, he’ll eat anything.

366. Jack - February 28, 2013

357. Hi, Rose ;). That was written in at Shatner’s suggestion, wasn’t it? Didn’t be , er, breed them? By that point, Kirk was being played as Shatner with a starship.

367. K-7 - February 28, 2013

#364. You are the the person messing with her, aren’t you. You act really familiar with her, but you are not a regular. Very suspicious indeed.

Knock if off a-hole.

368. James - February 28, 2013

367 You yourself called her out for the same thing not that long ago.

I come to this site discussions about trek not days of our freaking lives style drama .
But think what you want, (oh and just for the record while my post was critical of her playing the victim role, I didnt stoop to name calling and implying foul language like your post just did)

Stick to talking Trek and we can be buds.

369. James - February 28, 2013

Did you or did you not make this post complaining about her as well only 8 days ago on the COMIC thread?

So why is it ok for you to call her out on her shennanigans but anyone else who does gets called bad names, or accused of being suspiscous.

253. K-7 – February 20, 2013
#78 #91 #92 #92

All, lest people not be aware of it, I wanted to point out that Rose (as in Keachick) is still carrying on her negative comments about American’s from the recent Alice Eve article where she made light of the Dorner attacks in LA and was very critical of Americans. Here are some of her most recent comments:

“The reality is that while 18 million people were upset and fearful (mostly, I suspect, because of how the media presented the situation), they were not in any real danger. And no, Admiral Archer’s Prized Beagle and her babies were in no real danger, because, unless she was a member of one of 50 cops and families targeted, Chris Dorner would have had no interest in hurting her or her children, unless he would have attempted to do so. Some of you Southern Californians may have been very upset and frightened by events for good reason, but the truth/facts – Yes, facts as opposed to rumour – is that at least 90% of Southern Californians would not have been directly affected by Chris Dorner being on the loose and making those threats. The vast majority of So Cal’s, including many coming to this site (and maybe posting) sat there, watching the events play out via the internet, the television screens in your living rooms, the car radio or reading the newspaper whilst drinking coffee, because that is how 95% of people get their news and are *impacted* by what they are told by the media! It happens everywhere. I am *sorry* if some are unable to understand, keep up intellectually with what I may write sometimes…oh well…what can I say? Some New Zealanders are even more fervently “anti-American” than I seem to many of you… Oh and I, speaking as ONE New Zealander am not that desperate for tourists that I need to have your not-so-nice self visit my shores, someone who appears to have never cleaned her clock or mirror! Now stop being such an idiotic bitch!”

370. Classy M - February 28, 2013

BBC’s cinema review show, ‘Film 2013′, was on last night and it aired the entire behind the scenes of Star Trek into Darkness piece as well as the trailer.

As this was the last show of the season they did a brief overview of the hottest new films due out this year culminating with STID. They ran the trailer right through the final credits with ‘Shall we begin?’ being the very last line uttered.

Looks like the Beeb is excited about the movie.

371. Marja - February 28, 2013

I would’ve liked “We Saw Your Boobs” a LOT better if it had ended with Kristin Chenowyth [or another female] coming on stage and singing with a background of male movie stars, “But we never saw your junk, WHY NOT?”

Seth, c’mon. Equality in crudity.

Yep, it was Shat playing Shat, playing at Kirk.

Shatner was great in the first season and part of the second season TOS. Then his character started getting written as something of a caricature, except in certain notable episodes (“Tholian Web”). TMP, ok, TWOK, good, SFS, meh, Whales, funny, everything after that, bleah. JMHO.

Pine is playing the character now and doing a fine job, and I say hurrah for the whole new cast. It’s a reboot, and TOS Spock only appeared to [boost movie sales] to explain the new cast.

Looking forward,,,,

372. Classy M - February 28, 2013

Cumberbatch’s Italian website has released this previously-unseen picture of Benedict in Star Trek Into Darkness.

Unless it’s the lighting (or my eyes!) his hair looks grey – perhaps confirming those Robert April rumours?

373. Disinvited - February 28, 2013

#354. Phil – February 27, 2013

My point was never that it was a horrible decision – just that the award hasn’t meant what you’ve come to think of it as meaning/representing.

At the 1938 Awarding for the 1937 Award, Charlie was at the height of his popularity. The acorn of the idea behind the present day Bart Simpson, if you will. 1938 was the year, Bergen had just gotten Charlie top billing in two full length comedy films whereas all Bergen’s priors had been shorts.

But the only reason Charlie got the award was in essence because on radio he made the Governor laugh and not because of any momentous milestone crossed bringing this wooden puppet to film. And if that’s all it takes then Shatner’s a shoo-in.

374. Stephan - February 28, 2013

Hello folks,

I just learned that Into Darkness will start in Germany one week earlier! The new release date is: May, 9th 2013


Maybe I am going to be in the preview on May, 8th. :-)


375. Jack - February 28, 2013

374. Wow!

376. Jack - February 28, 2013

Let it go, James.

377. Jack - February 28, 2013

Not to get into Rose’s comments or the reaction or even into Dorner — but the whole news-fueled idea of “City in Terror!” or “Nation under seige!” is a big pet peeve of mine because it’s only purpose is to scare people into buying papers/watching the news. Sometimes, there really isn’t a danger to most of us. That doesn’t mean it isn’t serious, important or concerning — but people cower in terror in their safe suburban homes thousands because of these scares that likely won’t hit them: al qaeda, 2012, SARS, communists…

And that fear can be used to roll in some scary legislation and the removal of individual freedoms to protect everybody else. It sounds like some of this is part of the story in STID…

Hype can hurt the economy.

Sure, something bad could happen anytime, anywhere — but we’ve got to live. Caution is one thing…

378. nx-2000 - February 28, 2013

That was a nice touch and something I didn’t think I’d see at the Oscars – although I’m not surprised Seth did it as he’s a very well known Trekkie and I think he’s even appeared on ENT as an extra in uniform. It really brought a smile to my face to see Shatner don the uniform one more time. =)

379. Phil - February 28, 2013

@373. Yeah, but you are making the arguement by exception. Because Bergen might have been a weak recipient of the award, therefore Shatner is a shoo-in? There are dozens of performers in the last 75 years who have Shatners resume, they were not honored. The Oscar isn’t going to happen, Shat’s best bet is the Emmy.

380. Trekkiegal63 - February 28, 2013

#372 James:

There is a decided difference between attacking a person and disagreeing with a perspective. The latter is not personal, what you’re doing is the former. Kindly leave Rose alone, thank you. To quote the wonderful Shatner, as Kirk:

“Leave bigotry in your quarters; there’s no room for it on the bridge.”

381. MJ - February 28, 2013

@368 @369

It’s pretty obvious someone is trying to pretend they are Rose.

382. Disinvited - February 28, 2013

#379. Phil – February 28, 2013

No, I’m making the argument by precedent. The award has been given out for all sorts of reasons and not just performers and for performances. If there’s any consistency I’d say it’s the Academy could not find any other way to acknowledge something within the limitations and the politics of creating the categories to so do. I don’t know how they’ll choose to acknowledge him but they will if his longevity continues – if only for historically and successfully resurrecting a cancelled character he originated on a television series into a long-lived movie film franchise.

To give your opinion its fair shake, if Shatner is the pompous a$$ some in the industry paint him to be and hasn’t buried all those who’ve heard his Tracy, Lancaster, Widmark, Dietrich, Garland, Schell, Kramer, Wise, Brynner, Cobb, etc. name-dropping self-importance act, then you may very well prevail. But I’m counting on the current Trek movies and Paramount to keep it in the news enough to get something in the works for the 50th and that there’s more to the man than a well-stroked ego.

I am curious to know if you honestly hold the opinion that the majority of Oscars are awarded fairly on merit alone?

383. DiscoSpock - February 28, 2013

#377. Like others not local to Southern California, you are missing the point here. Dorner’s attacks were unpredictably all over Southern California — from San Diego to Irvine to Riverside to Big Bear — so yes, EVERYONE was concerned. Not only that,but the police were freaking out, pulling people over all over the place, and shooting three people in error. The media WAS NOT EXAGGERATING the situation in this particular case.

You and Rose just don’t get it. And I wish all of you people that don’t get it would just shut up already regarding this topic.

384. DiscoSpock - February 28, 2013

#382. In most cases, they give that award to people who have generally not been given any or enough awards or recognition in the past. Shatner has received and Emmy or two I believe, so he would not fit into the category. And he hardly has a body of work in the motion picture industry that is Oscar worthy.

Shatner shouldn’t even be in discussion for receiving one of these academy awards. Let the Emmy’s do this for him — that’s his venue, not the Oscars.

385. James - February 28, 2013

Ok I will give her that, but seriously this site is about talking trek.
You can understand why Its agravting coming on here reading this stuff right?

386. Theatre Historian_Levi - February 28, 2013

Shat allready has something even better than anOscar (which lets face with the way the academy picks winners todayis a far cry from how Mary, Doug, Sid , Gene, and the other 32 founding members of the academypicked 85 years ago, )and that honor will long outlast all of us lol.

He and the rest of the TOS cast are imortalized forever in our forecourt at the theatre, and those footprints and handprints are much more exclusive club than getting an academy award, emmy , or a star.

Only 263 have ever been given the honor of placing their handprints in cement for fans to enjoy for Decades to come.

387. MJ - February 28, 2013

@385. Agreed!

388. Disinvited - February 28, 2013

#384. DiscoSpock – February 28, 2013

I’d much rather they’d just acknowledge the historical significance of STAR TREK successfully crossing over to film if it were up to me. But I think MacFarlane got Shatner in the door and schmoozing at the Oscars surely is a factor in, Shatner’s getting a nod, favor.

In my long years of keeping track of Oscars, I have never had the notion that they are all about what should be. Rather, they are more about the industry’s ego, self-importance and concerns about how it will look, concepts which, oddly enough, some accuse Shatner of being more than in tune with.

Look, I’m just saying Shatner had an unprecedented chance to do what he does best: sell himself. And unlike Charlie he kicked off his film career by being in a couple of award winning films. He also worked with some big names.

389. Phil - February 28, 2013

@382. There’s more to the man then a well stoked ego? Okay, what, exactly, has he done to deserve the award, other then the fact he’s managed to stay busy? I keep asking that question, and no one is stepping up with an answer.

390. Trekkiegal63 - February 28, 2013

#389 Phil:

Would you like the list alphabetically or chronically? ;)

391. Rose (as in Keachick) - February 28, 2013

My post has just been deleted. If you can delete mine, then delete the imposter’s posts as well.

C’MON – seriously…

392. Rose (as in Keachick) - February 28, 2013

Now the post has reappeared. This is November 2012 all over again…:(

393. Trekkiegal63 - February 28, 2013

The career of William Shatner, post 1, stage career:

•Title role, Tom Sawyer, Montreal, Quebec, Canada, 1952
•Castle in the Air, Canadian National Repertory Theatre, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, between 1952 and 1954
•His Excellency, Canadian National Repertory Theatre, between 1952and 1954
•The Indifferent Shepherd, Canadian National Repertory Theatre, between 1952 and 1954
•Mr. Bolfry, Canadian National Repertory Theatre, between 1952 and1954
•Nightmare Abbey, Canadian National Repertory Theatre, between 1952and 1954
•Skylark, Canadian National Repertory Theatre, between 1952 and 1954
•Lucentio, The Taming of the Shrew, Stratford Shakespeare Festival,Stratford, Ontario, Canada, 1954
•Member of the chorus, Oedipus Rex, Stratford Shakespeare Festival,1954
•Young lord, Measure for Measure, Stratford Shakespeare Festival, 1954
•Gratiano, The Merchant of Venice, Stratford Shakespeare Festival,1955
•Lucius, Julius Caesar, Stratford Shakespeare Festival, 1955
•Member of the chorus, King Oedipus, Stratford Shakespeare Festival, 1955
•Tamburlaine the Great, Stratford Shakespeare Festival, 1955
•Duke of Gloucester, Henry V, Stratford Shakespeare Festival, 1956
•Fenton, The Merry Wives of Windsor, Stratford Shakespeare Festival, 1956
•Usumcasme, Tamburlaine the Great, Winter Garden Theatre, New YorkCity, 1956
•Cymbeline, Stratford Shakespeare Festival, 1956
•Robert Lomax, The World of Suzie Wong, Broadhurst Theatre, New York City, 1958
•Paul Sevigne, A Shot in the Dark, Booth Theatre, New York City, 1961
•L’idiote, 1962
•The Hyphen, between 1966 and 1969
•There’s a Girl in My Soup, between 1966 and 1969
•Tender Trap, 1970
•Tom, Remote Asylum, Ahmanson Theatre, Los Angeles, 1971
•Period of Adjustment, 1971
•Challenger, 1972
•Does a Tiger Wear a Necktie?, 1972
•The Seven Year Itch, 1972
•Arsenic and Old Lace, 1973
•The Tenth Level, 1975-76
•Tricks of the Trade, 1977
•Otherwise Engaged, Los Angeles, 1978
•Riel, 1978
•Death Trap, 1980
•Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, Los Angeles, 1981
•The Night of 100 Stars II (also known as Night of One Hundred Stars), Theatre at Radio City Music Hall, New York City, 1985
•Love Letters, 1991

394. Jason - February 28, 2013

Rose, its not someone deleting or un deleting.
Its a glitch in wordpress no longer providing updates for old style feedback forums such as what trekmovie has.

WordPress which is the foundation on which this site is built, a number of other sites that also havent updated to disqus or a more modern comments section have the same issue.

And yes it is agravating.

395. Trekkiegal63 - February 28, 2013

The career of William Shatner, post 2, film:

•Priest, Oedipus Rex, 1957
•Alexi Karamazov, The Brothers Karamazov (also known as Karamazov and The Murderer Dmitri Karamazov), Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, 1958
•Narrator, City Out of Time (also known as Ville intemporelle), 1959
•Peter Gifford, The Explosive Generation, United Artists, 1961
•Adam Cramer, The Intruder (also known as I Hate Your Guts!,Shame, and The Stranger), Pathe American, 1962
•Captain Harrison Byers, Judgment at Nuremberg, United Artists, 1962
•The preacher, The Outrage, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, 1964
•Marc, The Incubus, Independent Theatrical Films, 1966
•Johnny Moon/Notah, White Comanche (also known as Hour of Vengeance and Comanche blanco), 1967
•Matt Stone, Impulse (also known as I Love to Kill and Want a Ride, Little Girl?), Conquedor, 1972
•William J. Baxter, Big Bad Mama, New World, 1974
•Dead of the Night, Europix, 1974
•Curt Benell, Land of No Return (also known as Challenge to Survive and Snowman), 1975
•Mark Preston, The Devil’s Rain, Bryanston, 1975
•Dr. Jack Fredericks (the narrator), Mysteries of the Gods, Whale of aTale (also known as Joey and the Whale and Whale of a Tale), Luckers, 1977
•Curt Benell, The Land of No Return, 1978
•Dr. Robert “Rack” Hansen, Kingdom of the Spiders, Dimension Films,1978
•The Third Walker, 1978
•The barker, Riel, 1979
•Captain James Tiberius Kirk, Star Trek: The Motion Picture, Paramount, 1979
•Jerry O’Connor, The Kidnapping of the President, Theatrical, 1979
•Gary Baylor, Visiting Hours (also known as The Fright, Get Well Soon, and Terreur a l’hopital central), Theatrical, 1980
•Microworld (documentary), American Telephone & Telegraph (AT&T), 1980
•Admiral James Tiberius Kirk, Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan (also known as Star Trek II: The Vengeance of Khan and Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan), Paramount, 1982
•Commander Buck Murdock, Airplane II: The Sequel (also known as Flying High II), Paramount, 1982
•Admiral James Tiberius Kirk, Star Trek III: The Search for Spock,Paramount, 1984
•Host, The Vegetarian World (documentary), Bullfrog Films, 1984
•Narrator, Robotics: The Future Is Now (documentary), AIMS Media, 1984
•Admiral James Tiberius Kirk, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (also known as The Voyage Home: Star Trek IV), Paramount, 1986
•The Canadian Conspiracy, 1986
•Host, The Color of Safety (documentary), Barr Films, 1987
•Host, Fitness for Wellness (documentary), AIMS Media, 1987
•Host, Lifestyles for Wellness (documentary), AIMS Media, 1987
•Host, Nutrition for Wellness (documentary), AIMS Media, 1987
•Host, Wellness–Health and Stress (documentary), AIMS Media, 1987
•Host, Wellness–Moderation in Eating (documentary), AIMS Media, 1987
•Captain James Tiberius Kirk, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, Paramount, 1989
•Captain James Tiberius Kirk, Bill and Ted’s Bogus Journey, Orion,1991
•Captain James Tiberius Kirk, Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country, Paramount, 1991
•General Curtis Mortars, National Lampoon’s Loaded Weapon 1 (also known as Loaded Weapon 1), New Line Cinema, 1993
•Captain James Tiberius Kirk, Star Trek: Generations (also known asStar Trek: The Next Generation and Star Trek 7), Paramount, 1994
•Narrator, Trinity and Beyond (documentary; also known as The Atomic Bomb Movie), Visual Concept Entertainment, 1995
•Aiden Cardell, Land of the Free, PM Entertainment Group, 1997
•Trekkies (documentary), Paramount, 1997
•Jefftowne (documentary), 1998
•Bill, Free Enterprise, Motion International, 1998, Regent Entertainment, 1999
•Narrator, Nukes in Space (documentary; also known as Nukes in Space: The Rainbow Bombs), 1999
•Major Robert Carson, Falcon Down, New City Releasing/Talon Productions, 2000
•Performer of song “Infinity and Beyond,” Buzz Lightyear of Star Command: The Adventure Begins (animated), Buena Vista, 2000
•Stan Fields and performer of song “Miss United States,” Miss Congeniality, Warner Bros., 2000
•Shoot or Be Shot, 2000
•John Gossner, Groom Lake, Full Moon Entertainment, 2001
•Professor Robert Strickland, American Psycho 2: The Girl Who Wouldn’tDie (also known as American Psycho II), Lions Gate Films, 2001
•Voice of Mayor Phlegmming, Osmosis Jones (animated), Warner Bros.,2001
•Himself, Festival in Cannes, Revere Entertainment/Rainbow Film Co., 2001

396. Trekkiegal63 - February 28, 2013

The career of William Shatner, post 3, television:

•David Koster, For the People, CBS, 1965
•Captain James Tiberius Kirk, Star Trek (also known as Star Trek: TOS), NBC, 1966-69
•Voice of James Tiberius Kirk, Star Trek (animated; also known as The Animated Adventures of Gene Roddenberry’s Star Trek, Star Trek:TAS, Star Trek: The Animated Adventures, and Star Trek: The Animated Series), NBC, 1973-75
•Inner Space, syndicated, 1974
•Jeff Cable, The Barbary Coast (also known as Cash and Cable), ABC, 1975-76
•Host and narrator, This Was America (documentary), syndicated, 1981
•Sergeant T. J. Hooker, T. J. Hooker, ABC, 1982-84, then CBS, 1984-86
•Host, Rescue: 911, CBS, beginning in 1989
•William Hope Planter, Voice of the Planet, TBS, 1991
•Walter H. Bascom, TekWar, USA Network, 1995
•Voice of Jason of the Argonauts, Hercules (animated; also known asDisney’s Hercules), ABC and syndicated, 1998-99
•Narrator, A Twist in the Tale (also known as William Shatner’sA Twist in the Tale), WAM, 1999
•Adrian Ferrier, Testimony of Two Men, Operation Prime Time, 1976
•Captain Harrison, How the West Was Won, ABC, 1978
•Paul Revere, The Bastard (also known as The Kent Chroniclesand The Kent Family Chronicles), Operation Prime Time, 1978
•Captain James Tiberius Kirk, Star Trek: Where No Man Has Gone Before (also known as Where No Man Has Gone Before), NBC, 1966
•Lieutenant Colonel Josef “Joe” Gronke, Sole Survivor, CBS, 1970
•Dave Paulick, Vanished, NBC, 1971
•Dr. Curtis, The People, ABC, 1972
•Deaver G. Wallace, Incident on a Dark Street, NBC, 1973
•John Sergeant, Pioneer Woman (also known as Pioneers), ABC,1973
•Paul Kovalik, Horror at 37,000 Feet, CBS, 1973
•Sam, Go Ask Alice, ABC, 1973
•Sam Belden, Indict and Convict, ABC, 1974
•Warren Summerfield, Pray for the Wildcats, ABC, 1974
•American Enterprise: The Land, 1975
•In Old San Francisco, 1975
•Detective Lucerne/Ward Fowler, Columbo: Fade into Murder (also known as Columbo), NBC, 1976
•Steve Monroe, Perilous Voyage (also known as The Revolution ofAntonio DeLeon), NBC, 1976
•Carl Tobias (the narrator), Crash (also known as Crash of Flight 401), ABC, 1978
•Stuart Peters, Disaster on the Coastliner, ABC, 1979
•Dr. Jeff Benedict, The Babysitter, ABC, 1980
•Christopher “Chris” Jordan, Secrets of a Married Man, NBC, 1984
•Trick Eyes, NBC, 1984
•Rawhide MacGregor, North Beach and Rawhide, CBS, 1985
•Sergeant T. J. Hooker, Blood Sport (also known as T. J. Hooker:Blood Sport), CBS, 1986
•Chuck Coburn, Broken Angel (also known as Best Intentions),ABC, 1988
•Earl, A Family of Strangers (also known as Jody), CBS, 1993
•Alex Bodosh, A Silent Betrayal (also known as Janek: The Brownstone Murders and Janek: The Silent Betrayal), CBS, 1994
•Fielding Chase, Columbo: Butterflies in Shades of Grey, ABC, 1994
•Chase Prescott, Dead Man’s Island, CBS, 1996
•Michael Gatewick, The Prisoner of Zenda (also known as Double Play), Showtime, 1996

397. Jason - February 28, 2013

The majority of what is listed on those 2 lists though is either Legit theatre, or Television.
And of the films listed very few of them would be worthy of any sort of Academy recognition.

If anything he would deserve perhaps an honorary Tony or Emmy.
And why settle for Honorary he allready has won several actual Emmy’s

398. Jason - February 28, 2013

Also Rose
if Trekmovie would do the simple upgrade (that takes less than 10 mins and is included free with wordpress updates) then it would also eliminate the so called”sockpuppeting” as you would have to have registerd log in to post on the comments.

399. Ahmed - February 28, 2013


Thanks to that great list, Shatner is a such a talented actor even if he has an ego of an emperor.

It is enough that he brought to life the characters of Captain Kirk (Star Trek) & Denny Crane (Boston Legal)

400. Trekkiegal63 - February 28, 2013

BTW: all of that was copied and pasted from this website, here:

And since I already took up a lot of space with the three lists I did post, I wont bother with the misc. other, which includes writing, directing or producing.

And I agree with Disinvented, the point isn’t so much how many of his numerous projects succeeded (frankly I’d like to forget Miss Congeniality even exists – only ever caught snipits on tv – see one romcom, seen them all) but impact on the industry. William Shatner has tried his hand at everything. Some projects succeeded, others failed dismally. The point, however, is that he is a jack of all trades within the industry, worked from the trenches to build a career, even studying the art, which is more than can be said for a lot of modern day actors. Whether you personally like him or not, he is a household name and deservedly so. He has worked long and hard for going on six decades. How many in Hollywood can claim that?

401. Trekkiegal63 - February 28, 2013

#399 Ahmed:

My pleasure. :)

And I agree that Shatner does have an ego, but you know, I think you’d kind of a need a rather healthy self-esteem in that industry to survive it. Never having acted I can’t say for certain, but it seems like a highly cut-throat, competitive and there always seems to be a scapegoat for failed projects, type of industry. I think only those with a lot of gumption can rise from the ashes again, and again, like a phoenix.

… kind of like Kirk, himself. ;)

402. K-7 - February 28, 2013


I apologize. It seemed based on the sequence of emails that you might be the impostor posting as Rose. Clearly, you are not.

403. K-7 - February 28, 2013

#395. So I am suppose to believe that all those fitness videos and obscure documentaries I have never heard of were movies? I don’t think so.

404. Trekkiegal63 - February 28, 2013

#403 K-7:

LOL! Love your use of the fallacy of the undistributed middle:

me: here is Shatner’s list of projects.
you: well, I haven’t heard of these titles before therefore…
you: they’re not movies


405. Phil - February 28, 2013

@400. Nice try. I agree, he’s been busy. Now point to something on that list that deserves an honorary award – anything. There is plenty of talent out there with comperable resumes who will never ever get an honorary Oscar…..who will get their share of Emmys.

406. Trekkiegal63 - February 28, 2013

#405 Phil:

I’m not claiming that he’s the greatest actor that ever was (even while I personally feel that Kirk was one of the greatest characters that ever was) because such a claim would be entirely subjective. Even the Academy Awards themselves are subjective.

I’m claiming that he’s put in six decades of long, hard work, trying his hand at multiple media platforms in front of and behind the camera. And I am a believer that hard work and effort should be rewarded – especially six decades of it. Whether you personally love his work or not (and to be honest, I mostly just admire him for Kirk, myself, though Boston Legal was okay) he is a household name. He’s earned it for sheer tenaciousness alone.

407. Disinvited - February 28, 2013

#403. K-7 – February 28, 2013

I don’t think you really want to go down a path that ends with you trying to make the case that Oscars are never awarded to obscure documentaries.

THE BROTHERS KARAMAZOV won a DGA and a couple of non-technical Oscars went to JUDGEMENT AT NUREMBERG. Name any Trek film in that award winning league.

Even occasionally to Trekkiegal63’s chagrin, outside of Trek films Shatner has gone toe to toe onscreen with Oscar winning performers and held his own.

As for the fitness videos, I’ll give you that but I’ll also note that Jane Fonda’s an Oscar winner that shares that badge too.

408. Phil - February 28, 2013

@406. Again, agreed, he’s kept himself busy. Give the man an Emmy…

409. Disinvited - February 28, 2013

#406. Trekkiegal63 – February 28, 2013

With your help, we’ve more than made the case that bringing James Kirk to the motion picture screen is as worthy of an Honorary Oscar as bringing Charlie McCarthy to it.

Phil’s just narrowing the scope of what Honorary Oscars are to what he thinks they should be and then defying us to meet his arbitrary criteria. You have more than demonstrated that William Shatner has been working hard in the film industry for six decades and is not the hardly working film actor that some wish him to be. And that alone, makes him worthy.

And with MacFarlane being made the scapegoat for the Academy not feeling good about his stint that means they are going to rightly or wrongly credit Shatner for the show’s ratings success. Contrary to Phil and DiscoSpocks beliefs they do give Honorary Oscars for things akin to that.

410. Trekkiegal63 - February 28, 2013

#409 Disinvited:

Once again, you make a good point.

411. MJ - February 28, 2013

“With your help, we’ve more than made the case that bringing James Kirk to the motion picture screen is as worthy of an Honorary Oscar as bringing Charlie McCarthy to it.”

Nope. Not buying it. Shatner was never a major movie actor. He was always a B-lister at the movies. And B-listers don’t get Lifetime Oscars, period.

Just because you self-proclaim you have made the case doesn’t make it so. You can’t change reality.

412. MJ - February 28, 2013

@404. K-7’s point that as bunch of fitness videos on Shatner’s own web site that Shat is claiming are motion pictures is a completely valid point. I mean, come on, “Fitness for Wellness” is not a movie???

Shatner is “padding his resume” with filler stuff to make it look like he has done more movies. I mean, sheesh, he even lists this series of videos as fully separate “movies” in his resume:

•Host, The Color of Safety (documentary), Barr Films, 1987
•Host, Fitness for Wellness (documentary), AIMS Media, 1987
•Host, Lifestyles for Wellness (documentary), AIMS Media, 1987
•Host, Nutrition for Wellness (documentary), AIMS Media, 1987
•Host, Wellness–Health and Stress (documentary), AIMS Media, 1987
•Host, Wellness–Moderation in Eating (documentary), AIMS Media, 1987

And guess what, I just researched these, and this was in fact a series of VHS videotapes for sale in the late 80’s; NOT movies!

Nice try, Shat &Trekkiegal63. LOL :-))

413. Red Shirt Diaries - February 28, 2013

Guys and Gals,

Shatner is not a movie star. In nearly all cases, this award goes to movie stars who have been passed over for Oscars they should have won earlier in their careers. Shatner fails both these conditions — he is not a movie star, nor was he passed over for an Oscar he should have won earlier in his career.

The Emmys is a much better fit for Shatner.

414. MJ - February 28, 2013

“Shatner fails both these conditions — he is not a movie star, nor was he passed over for an Oscar he should have won earlier in his career.”

Exactly, although I still remember with fondness seeing Shat in stunning 70mm on opening night in perhaps his greatest movie — “Wellness–Health and Stress” That was the best movie of Shater Health franchise, although the sequel, “Moderation in Eating” was the best movie I saw by far in 1987. I feel sorry for those of you who never got to see these on the big screen, in 70mm Dolby.

415. Red Dead Ryan - February 28, 2013

Look, just because William Shatner made a bunch of movies doesn’t mean he deserves a lifetime achievement Oscar. Most people who aren’t Trek fans consider the TOS movies cheesy, and William Shatner a ham.

Shatner’s greatest achievements have been on television. James T. Kirk, T.J. Hooker, “Rescue 9-1-1″, and Denny Crane.

Shatner has been in a lot of movies, but how many of them can you actually consider good or great? Only a handful.

Give him a lifetime achievement Emmy. That is more appropriate. Save the Oscars for the Steven Spielbergs, Daniel Day-Lewises, Tom Hanks, etc. who have a proven track record of either making massively successful movies or delivering once-in-a-lifetime performances.

Otherwise, the joke will be how the director of “The Final Frontier” was given an Oscar. :-)

416. Phil - February 28, 2013

It’s not a question of what I believe, guys. Obviously, you havn’t actually looked at the list of honorary award winners, otherwise you would not be saying with a straight face that Shatner has earned the same level of recognition as Bob Hope, James Stewart, Sydney Poitier, Paul Newman, Henry Fonda……

Make a case for it, just don’t declare it to be true. With a straight face, explain why he was overlooked as best director for ST5. Why he was overlooked for best actor for Generations. According to your ‘stay busy’ criteria, Brent Spiner should get one, too. Or John Travolta…Ernest Borgnine, anyone?

417. K-7 - February 28, 2013

Red Shirt, MJ,

Thanks for responding for me to Trekiegal’s attempt to make fun of my legitimate criticism of some of those very questionable “movies” that Shat has padded his bio with.

If those are movies than I am as sexy as Brad Pitt.

418. Red Dead Ryan - February 28, 2013

Also, I find it ironic how Shatner, given his current physique, once put out VHS videos about proper diet and food moderation. :-)

419. MJ - February 28, 2013

@418. Yea, especially considering one was titled…(drum roll)…

“Moderation in Eating”


420. Phil - February 28, 2013

Hey, he’s big boned. And that damn thyroids been acting up again.

421. Jack - February 28, 2013

Shatner will never, ever, ever get an Oscar, honorary or otherwise — unless, maybe they start including voice work in animated movies in future best supporting actor noms. And even then.

But, no Shatner hasn’t achieved much in film. And that’s not a dig.

More Emmys? Why not?

422. Jack - February 28, 2013

…and his hard work has indeed been rewarded — he’s worth hundreds of millions thanks to Priceline.

Plenty of actors worked for decades – Grant, Ball, Hepburn, Davis, Leachman, Nimoy, Takei… the list goes on.

423. DiscoSpock - February 28, 2013

WIlliam Shatner is/was a master of the TV venue. The movie venue; not so much.

424. CanOpener1256 - February 28, 2013

Based on the lack of content about STID, I can only assume that Capt. Kirk’s appearance at the Oscars interfered with the timeline thus making sure STID never occurs. The lack of info in the press, the apps and show business trades and even this website is proof.

So, Seth I hope you are pleased. Your career was saved but STID was shelved. Instead of Cumby playing Khan we got him playing a Bristish dweeb in the early 20th century. O, the horror!

425. Trekkiegal63 - February 28, 2013

First off, judging someone’s merit to the film industry by their stature is appalling behavior and I’m disappointed in the lot of you.

One’s weight has little to do with one’s work ethic or abilities.

I actually admire actors and actresses who don’t give in to Hollywood’s standard of beauty but achieve great things regardless of the shallowness present in their industry. Case in point, John Candy, whose work in “The Blues Brothers’, “The Great Outdoors” and “Planes, Trains and Automobiles” will always be appreciated by me.

Heck, on that vein, the late, great John Belushi wasn’t exactly thin, himself, doesn’t mean he wasn’t talented.

And yes, Phil, I did read the honorary award list, and found names like this:

Joseph M. Schenck – started the United Artist theater chain.

Hayley Mills – they have it officially listed on wikipedia as “”for Pollyanna, the most outstanding juvenile performance during 1960.”

Pete Smith – short film producer

…just saying. ;)

You know, when I was an undergrad, more years ago than I’d like to admit, I took Drama for the social science units because I thought it would be an easy A. I was way wrong about that, btw, it was one the most difficult classes I’ve ever taken. But the instructor did mention one thing that has stuck with me all of these years… he said 90% of actors who are registered with the union are out of work. I just went to google right now to see if this was still the case, uptime years later, and found this:

“SAG represents 120,000 TV and movie actors, 80 percent of whom are unemployed on any given day and 72 percent of whom earn between $1,000 and $4,999 a year.”

Yet despite these odds, Bill has been steadily contributing to the industry for six decades.

But, no matter. This entire argument is pointless because its so thoroughly subjective. I admire Shatner’s tenacity and adaptability and feel it merits reward. You don’t. It is very obvious that we are not going to come to a consensus. Ever. It is what it is. I am respectfully bowing out of this. It’s devolving into trashing a celebrity in order to get a point across and I really don’t want to feed that sort of behavior.

426. Phil - February 28, 2013

@425. Great – did you happen to notice the rest of them as well? You are still making the arguement of exception, and it doesn’t hold water. I have already said that there are honorees who might have been lacking, but that looking at the winners as a whole the standard is pretty high…and Shatner doesn’t meet .

Yeah, having a giggle over the man’s eating habits is juvenille. Guilty as charged. I”ll leave it to others to comment on the man’s decent into self paraody.

Whatever indignation you may be feeling may be stemming from the inability to quantify why he should get the award. The question was, and still is, why? The conversation fell apart because no one has yet to answer the question, other then to post his film resume, which only told us what we already know, the guy is busy.

Why is an Emmy all that offeisive, anyway?

427. Phil - February 28, 2013

At this point – it’s case closed. No Oscar for Shat….

428. MJ - February 28, 2013

@425. You are the one who boldy insisted that “Moderation in Eating” was one of Shatner’s “movies.” When you do stuff like that, dudess, don’t feign your fake shock when we have a little fun with it.

I get that you excelled in drama is school, because your posts here are full of drama. I took classes in debate, logic and mathematics, not drama.

429. Red Dead Ryan - February 28, 2013

The Oscars are about movies. William Shatner has done some good work, but nothing that would garner Oscar support.

Has William Shatner ever given an Oscar-worthy performance in a movie? NO!

Has William Shatner ever directed a movie that became highly acclaimed by both movie goers and critics alike? NO!

Has William Shatner proven himself to write stellar screenplays and/or scripts? NO!

So no, William Shatner DOES NOT deserve an Oscar. I’m sorry that some of you Shat-shippers can’t see that.

Again, most of his acclaimed work is from television. That is what he’s best known for.

There’s nothing wrong with an Emmy.

430. MJ - February 28, 2013

RDR, is this perhaps time for you to roll out, “the Shataban”?


PS: Shat should certainly get and Emmy Lifetime Achievement Award.

431. Keachick - February 28, 2013

Unfortunately, trekkiegal, there are certain posters here who shall not be named who have, at times, taken great delight in making fun of Shatner’s weight issues over the last three years or so, on this site.

Actually William Shatner is a fit man for his age, despite his paunchiness. In fact, it was noted that he was much fitter than the slimmer Leonard Nimoy. Weight is only one factor to take into consideration when determining a person’s overall fitness and vitality.

432. keachick - February 28, 2013

Here is a lovely homage to the Dr McCoy character as well as to the two actors who have now played that character – DeForest Kelley and Karl Urban.

433. Phil - February 28, 2013

Give the man an Emmy….please! He’s earned that much!!

An Oscar…Meyer….maybe.

434. Ahmed - February 28, 2013

When are we getting the theatrical trailer ?

“Oblivion” last trailer just came online today & the movie is coming out couple weeks before Star Trek XII.

435. Keachick - February 28, 2013

Paramount needs to allow a site like Trekmovie the exclusive right to be able to show in HD the nine minute preview. Perhaps they were testing audience reaction to it which I believe was overall very positive. However, I and others thought that the John Harrison scene did not fit properly with the rest of the narrative, ie Kirk and McCoy running from aliens while Spock gets up and close with their volcano. Maybe the film makers have decided to do some more editing.

Hopefully, we’ll see/hear something very cool very soon…

436. MJ - February 28, 2013

I don’t know, I drove 1.5 hours and spent $60 for my two boys and I to see Trek preview in IMAX (and The Hobbit). I’d frankly be a little irritated if they just released it now for anybody to see — that would violate the understanding of when they said only those fans seeing the Hobbit IMAX would get to see it.

It is the principle of the whole thing. I did what I was suppose to do under their conditions, but then, oh wait, those who didn’t get it for free now???

437. James - February 28, 2013

402 K-7
Thank you for that man, I really appreciate your post.
Have a great night Buddy

438. Red Dead Ryan - February 28, 2013


I totally agree. It would be lame if Paramount now released the preview online for free to those who were unable or unwilling to pay to see it before “The Hobbit”.

I didn’t mind “The Hobbit” so if they released the Trek sequel preview online for free, I’ll be merely annoyed.

But what if the “The Hobbit” had sucked? Then it would make me angry if the STID preview gets shown online for free since I would have paid $10 for only ten minutes of good quality entertainment out of the almost three hours spent in the theatre when I could have just waited a couple of months to see the trailer for free. Luckily, the movie was good.

But still, if the preview gets shown for free online, then I would have paid money to the theatre under false pretenses.

439. Jack - February 28, 2013

Shat has two Emmys and a Golden Globe. He’s been recognized.

Rose, those first nine-minutes will be in the theatres in 2.5 months and you can see it all you want. Why would they give a fan blog the exclusive online rights for the thing? I agree with MJ.

” However, I and others thought that the John Harrison scene did not fit properly with the rest of the narrative, ie Kirk and McCoy running from aliens while Spock gets up and close with their volcano.”

I’ve never heard this before. The Harrison scene happens before all that , Rose.

440. Theatre Historian_Levi - February 28, 2013

As much as I love Shatner and his talents as an actor, he is first and foremost a Television star, who ocassionally does movies.
Much in the same way that Betty White is a Television star who occasionally does movies.

He has had great success on the Television screen from TOS, to TJ Hooker, Rescue 911, To Boston Legal, and much more.

He has had a fun ride on the silver screen though, but many decades from now when people look back on his career, Outside of the Trek feature films its his work in Television that will stand out the most. And thats a pretty remarkable thing, .

How many other actors can you name who have been able to be apart of popular and critically aclaimed shows for more than half of their life?
Outside of the aforementioned Betty White, not very many not to their level of success anyways.

but not something thatshouldmerrit anOscar. Who knows though perhaps there is a great dramatic part out their for him on the big screenthat can earn him the acclaim that Denny Crane earned him on the television screen.

Thats just my take on it anyways :)

441. mike Thompson - February 28, 2013

“Has William Shatner ever given an Oscar-worthy performance in a movie? NO! ”

Yes, Start Trek II. “What a film”

442. Jim Nightshade - March 1, 2013

i doubt the 9 min will be was stated at the time it would not be released, also seeing it in imax 3d was awesome for a preview n the 3d was great looking considering it was post…..

443. Disinvited - March 1, 2013

People are taking this all over the place so it’s time to remind everyone we are talking bout an “Honorary” Oscar:

”The Academy’s Honorary Award is given at the discretion of the Board of Governors, and is not necessarily awarded every year. The Honorary Award may or may not be an Oscar statuette; when it is, the Award is presented as part of the Academy Awards ceremony. This is the Honorary Award most familiar to the public. It is sometimes given to honor a filmmaker for whom there is no annual Academy Award category: choreographer Michael Kidd in 1996, for instance, or animator Chuck Jones in 1995. It can be also given to an organization, such as the National Film Board of Canada in 1988, or even a company, such as Eastman Kodak, which received it that same year.

The Honorary Award is not called a lifetime achievement award by the Academy, but it is often given for a life’s work in filmmaking – to Polish director Andzrej Wajda in 1999, for example, and to Elia Kazan the previous year.

The Honorary Award can be given for outstanding service to the Academy, although the last time this happened was in 1979 when an Oscar statuette was presented to Academy Governor Hal Elias, who had served more than a quarter century on the Board of Governors.

The Honorary Award can also take the form of a life membership in the Academy, a scroll, a medal, a certificate or any other design chosen by the Board of Governors. The John A. Bonner Medal of Commendation, given for “outstanding service and dedication in upholding the high standards of the Academy,” is considered an Honorary Award. It is usually given at the annual presentation of Scientific and Technical Awards, a dinner ceremony separate from the annual Oscar telecast.

The only life membership to be conferred as an Honorary Award was given to Bob Hope in 1944 “for his many services to the Academy.” Hope received four Honorary Awards. In addition to his life membership, he received a special silver plaque in 1940 “in recognition of his unselfish service to the Motion Picture Industry,” a gold medal in 1965 for “unique and distinguished service to our industry and the Academy” and an Oscar statuette in 1952 “for his contribution to the laughter of the world, his service to the motion picture industry, and his devotion to the American premise.” And, while it wasn’t an Honorary Award, the Bob Hope Lobby of the Fairbanks Center for Motion Picture Study (home of the Margaret Herrick Library) was dedicated to Hope in 1990 when he continued to serve the Academy and the industry with a contribution of $1 million to the Center’s Endowment Fund.

The most unusual Honorary Awards went to Edgar Bergen in 1937 and Walt Disney the following year. Bergen’s, presented “for his outstanding comedy creation, ‘Charlie McCarthy,’” was a wooden Oscar statuette with a movable mouth. Disney’s Honorary (his second) was “for Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, recognized as a significant screen innovation which has charmed millions and pioneered a great new entertainment field for the motion picture cartoon.” It was a standard Oscar statuette and seven miniature statuettes on a stepped base.”

444. Disinvited - March 1, 2013

#416. Phil – February 28, 2013

You keep trying to confuse the issue with an Oscar for Acting. However thisgame can too be played: Shatner’s work in THE BROTHERS KARAMAZOV, JUDGEMENT AT NUREMBERG, and STAR TREK: THE WRATH OF KHAN are as worthy of an Award in recognition of his film acting as any acting Bob Hope, who you’ve mentioned more than a few times, did on the motion picture screen.

An Emmy is a fine award. Shatner has two. People confuse it with coming from the Academy all the time. It doesn’t. One doesn’t preclude the other anymore than winning a Golden Globe excludes one from winning an Oscar.

It’s at the discretion of the Board of Governors, a handful of people, not you or I. Shatner has had his shot to make them feel good about doing it. Some think it is possible others don’t. that’s where it sits.

445. Jack - March 1, 2013

The Emmys are indeed given out by *an* academy, the academy of television arts and scientists. Yes, it’s not the same one.

An honorary Oscar is indeed not necessarily about acting — but Shatner’s contributed little to the industry, apart from being in a few movies. The two you mentioned were big movies, but that wasn’t because of Shatner. Bob Hope made tonnes of movies and did a lot for movie-related charities.

I ain’t saying this to be mean or to downplay what Shatner has done — but the idea of him getting an Oscar for his work to this point is ludicrous.

Lucille Ball was in films for ages before I Love Lucy. She didn’t get an Oscar.

A SAG award for Shatner, sure.

446. Jonboc - March 1, 2013

#431. “Unfortunately, trekkiegal, there are certain posters here who shall not be named who have, at times, taken great delight in making fun of Shatner’s weight issues over the last three years or so, on this site.”

MJ and Harry? Lol no worries, no one pays attention to them when they go on a Shat-rant.. :) They’re loud, but harmless.

447. Mark Lynch - March 1, 2013

It was just William Shatner dressed up in a Star Trek uniform… He made no attempt that I could see to act like James T. Kirk whatsoever.

Yes it was somewhat funny, but…

448. Phil - March 1, 2013

@444. You seem to keep throwing this back at me for some reason, and yet you refuse to answer the basic question – what has he done to merit an award? William Shatner deserves an honorary Oscar because ______________________! Fill in the blank, and support your declaration that he’s a shoo-in.

If you can’t convince fans on a Star Trek page, why should I believe the Board of Governers would do anything other then have a good laugh over the suggestion…

Again, give the man an Emmy. Or the SAG award. Both are worthy of his talent level…

449. MJ - March 1, 2013


Nope, I don’t think so.

“An Emmy is a fine award. Shatner has two. People confuse it with coming from the Academy all the time.”

Is anyone confuse here on the difference between Emmys and Oscars? I’m not.

“in recognition of his film acting as any acting Bob Hope, who you’ve mentioned more than a few times, did on the motion picture screen.”


450. MJ - March 1, 2013

“If you can’t convince fans on a Star Trek page, why should I believe the Board of Governers would do anything other then have a good laugh over the suggestion…”

Exactly. If most of fans here don’t think he’s worth, how in hell are you going to get the Board of Governors to buy into this laughable scheme?

451. MJ - March 1, 2013


452. Disinvited - March 1, 2013

#448. Phil – March 1, 2013

It’s been answered. You just refuse to see it because you want giving him an honorary award to be outside your arbitrary “exception” parameters. So I’ll phrase it in a way that might register “for his outstanding (exceptional and iconic) comedy creation, Captain James Kirk.”

453. Phil - March 1, 2013

Interesting that Shatner’s charatcer’s name in Judgement at Nuremberg is …Harrison. Harrison Byers.

454. Trekkiegal63 - March 1, 2013

428 MJ:

Actually, MJ, I hold a bachelors degree in molecular biology. But it just so happens that I, too, took logic (one has to, if I’m not mistaken it is a prerequisite couse, or, at least it was at one point, I have no idea if this is still the case) and I retained enough from that class, over twenty years ago, to know that debates, when done correctly, are supposed to be impersonal. Delving into name calling or casting aspertions on your opponent, i.e. your crack about my taking drama as reflective of my personality, a class I only took to fill a humanities requirement btw (or attacking the subject matter of the debate, in this case Shatner) is a fallacy of logic (actually, several fallacies).

Ad hominem – attacking the arguer instead of the argument.

Poisoning the well – a type of ad hominem where adverse information about a target is presented with the intention of discrediting everything that the target person says

Abusive fallacy – a subtype of “ad hominem” when it turns into name-calling rather than arguing about the originally proposed argument.

Argumentum ad baculum (appeal to the stick, appeal to force, appeal to threat) – an argument made through coercion or threats of force to support position

Argumentum ad populum (appeal to widespread belief, bandwagon argument, appeal to the majority, appeal to the people) – where a proposition is claimed to be true or good solely because many people believe it to be so

Appeal to emotion – where an argument is made due to the manipulation of emotions, rather than the use of valid reasoning

Appeal to ridicule – an argument is made by presenting the opponent’s argument in a way that makes it appear ridiculous

Appeal to spite – a specific type of appeal to emotion where an argument is made through exploiting people’s bitterness or spite towards an opposing party

…having taken logic you should know this… so why do it?

455. MJ - March 1, 2013

“So I’ll phrase it in a way that might register “for his outstanding (exceptional and iconic) comedy creation, Captain James Kirk.”

Captain James Kirk is a comedy creation of Shatner’s?

wtf ???

456. MJ - March 1, 2013

@454. You have no sense of humor, and now, having failed to make a legitimate case for you argument, you are attempting to completely change the direction of the discussion.

Not taking your bait. Get back to us when you have something more credible to offer here on the Shatner academy award discussion.,

457. Red Shirt Diaries - March 1, 2013


Thanks for the resume and the tutorial, but what happened to the discussion on Shatner and the Oscars?

Looking at your post, one might conclude that you have abandoned that and are instead trying to divert us all with a silly discussion that MJ supposedly damaged your honor or something?

458. Phil - March 1, 2013

Oh, it’s no worse then Disinvited continuing to go after me instead of answering the quest, why give Shat an Oscar?

459. Cervantes - March 1, 2013

Great to see Shatner back in the uniform…as he looks now!

That was certainly an unexpected highlight of the show for me. His appearance on that skit was a real treat to see, as far as I’m concerned.

460. Red Shirt Diaries - March 1, 2013

Phil, one might say their tactics look close to identical.

461. Phil - March 1, 2013

Yeah, there’s no reason to give him an Oscar outside of bribary. Time to change the subject..

It looks like STID is opening a week early in Germany. Good or bad move on Paramounts part?

462. Red Dead Ryan - March 1, 2013

So far, no one has made the case that Shatner deserves an Oscar.

Yeah, he was great in TWOK, but that doesn’t mean Shatner should get a lifetime achievement Oscar for it.

How many non-Trekkies would give Shatner an Oscar? Not many.

Shatner just hasn’t sustained the same level of success in film as he has on television. That’s a fact.

463. Thou shalt not mock the Shat. - March 1, 2013

464. Phil - March 1, 2013

How many non-Trekkies would be wondering why the Priceline guy is getting an Oscar?

465. K-7 - March 1, 2013

Phil: “It looks like STID is opening a week early in Germany.”

This is unacceptable. I have paid extra dollars for the fan sneak IMAX 2-days in advance, but now the studio says that Hans, Deiter and General Bulcarter get to see it first?

Not to mention that someone will publish the plot and Harrison’s identity on the internet the day it opens in Germany and spill the beans on everything.

466. Trekkiegal63 - March 1, 2013

The point is that the subject matter of the debate is subjective, i.e. ones opinion of an artists merit. None of us are going to ‘win’ this because our personal feelings on Shatner’s contribution to the motion picture industry differ. I’m certainly not changing my perspective because you lot told me so.

However, the means by which those of you who have been arguing against Shatner’s merits have been underhanded and to quote the partyline… illogical. As in, the usual suspects ganging up on those of us who feel Shatner’s work ethic merits reward by use of logical fallacies. Abusive logical fallacies. And one of you actually claimed to have studied logic and debate in school, thus should know better.

Bottom line, there is going to be no winners here. We can all shake hands and agree to disagree on Shatner’s merits, without devolving into insults or weight shaming, and go back to discussing Star Trek like civilized and educated people or you can continue your smear compaign against Shatner and those of us defending him, but if you claim to have studied logic at one point, you can’t cry foul when one points to the logical fallacies used within an argument.

467. randomguy - March 1, 2013

Very disappointing Phil, I gave you three days to come up with a good reason why you keep insisting Pine, Quinto and the rest of the new bunch are only going to do three movies despite the fact that they have all said they would like to do more, and you have come up with nothing. On top of that you won’t even admit to being wrong, or unfair to the actors you are talking about. Thus proving you have no factual basis whatsoever for your anti-reboot bs.

468. K-7 - March 1, 2013

@466. Actually, I think Phil, Red Dead Ryan, MJ, Jack, Red Shirt Diaries. Levi, Mike Thompson, DiscoSpock, Mike Lynch and I, won this argument about 2 days ago. When the vast majority of Trek fans, Shat’s power base if you will, doesn’t even think he deserves an Oscar, then the argument is over for you.


469. Phil - March 1, 2013

@467. Are you new here? Trek 09 has it’s issues, like most movies, but overall I found it to be an enjoyable version of Star Trek, and have said so…repeatedly.

Depending on what you read Pegg may or may not follow JJ off to Star Wars, Quinto has talked about his post-Trek career, and Pine has said he’d be interested in doing more Trek once the contract has expired. All of this cast has life and projects outside of Trek, and it’s a fair bet JJ isn’t going to be directing the next installment. These are not idle musings, do the homework and look it up for yourself. The only opinion I have offered is that given where the cast and producers are at this point in their careers, it’s very unlikely this group will be doing a whole lot of Trek past their contractural obligations – you are free to disagree with that as much as you like.

And you gave me three days?? Who died and made you hall monitor?

470. MJ - March 1, 2013


Cliffs Notes Version of Your Points:

— No one knows if he deserves an Oscar since its too subjective for anyone to get a handle on

— People pick on Shatner too much here

— Why won’t MJ respond to my bait about all my cool references to logic that were suppose to put him in his place?

— What a cruel world; why can’t we all just get along?

Summary: The poster provided no information on why Shat should get an Oscar. The poster thinks it’s too complex for people to agree on, and it’s so sad that people criticized Shat. The poster is desperate for MJ to respond to her clever logic criticisms of him. The poster wants us all to sing Kumbaya and give Shat the award.

471. MJ - March 1, 2013

@469. Don’t worry, Phil, it’s just some random guy. :-)

PS: I agree with all of your points. For the reasons you have stated, I’d rate the chances at less than 50% that we get movie number 4 with this same case. Unless this really blows up and movie 3 makes like $600M or more.

472. Phil - March 1, 2013

@466. It’s not that subjective. Really. Asides from the length of his resume, no one has offered up any evidence that his career is worthy of consideration of an Oscar, of any type. The general consensus continues to be that an Emmy or SAG award is appropiate, and I won’t argue.

473. THX-1138 - March 1, 2013

Ahh…I see that we have a fake Mongo (#69 interestingly enough).

They say that the best form of flattery is imitation. I’m flattered. What I’m not flattered by is the fake’s using the Mongo character to revel in anyone’s death, even if it is that of the scourge villain bin Laden.

For the record (and for anyone who gives a shite) Mongo, the real Mongo on this site, the alter-ego I created, won’t be making any appearances here any time soon.

With all of the rampant theft of usernames on this site I have told Mongo that he needs to go into the forest, deep into the darkest reaches of the wild where the beasts are hardly aware of the existence of man, and just stay there.

And switching Harry Mudd into a Bajoran woman is just stupid. Apparently AU’s can alter not only your gender but the planet you hail from as well.

474. MJ - March 1, 2013

@473. Dude, did you just give it up that you are Mongo.

Whoops! :-)

475. MJ - March 1, 2013

Seriously, love your Mongo gig.

476. Trekkiegal63 - March 1, 2013

#470 MJ:

Cliffnotes version of *your* mindset going into an argument:

Insult and degrade anyone who dares disagree with MJ’s perspective, despite his claiming to have an education in logic and debate thus containing the knowledge that such tactics are implementing the use of fallacies, and frequently insult William Shatner out of sheer vivacious thrill.

And btw, I didn’t say the oscar honory award was subjective, nice red herring. I said that Shatner’s merit as an artist and a contributor to the motion picture industry is subjective, because, whether this is the reality or not, MJ, you come off as being exceedingly biased against him. Whereas I am not. Thus we will never agree because I cannot see your perspective, especially not with you flinging insults at me. In fact, you flinging insults at me makes me want to disagree with you even more vehemently because I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY dislike someone trying stronghandle me into conceeding.


477. THX-1138 - March 1, 2013

Nah MJ, I figured most of the long time posters here knew the scoop. I didn’t try to hide it or make a big secret of it. I just liked having a different voice to say things here. Mongo was usually more balanced and equitable in his opinions than me and was my way of being “kinder and gentler”. As a result he was probably better liked. I enjoyed giving him a voice but as time went on here, and with what appears to be a complete free-for-all in these “talk-backs”, I didn’t want him to get muddied by copy-cats, or for a particular message to get distracted by people who lacked the imagination to hear what he was saying.

Thanks for the compliment. I’m sure Mongo will miss being part of the site. Maybe after the next movie installment premiers, (and he get’s a chance to see it) he’ll give review. I know it will be positive.

478. MJ - March 1, 2013

“In fact, you flinging insults at me makes me want to disagree with you even more vehemently because I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY dislike someone trying stronghandle me into conceeding.”

Tell my please how you really feel about me? ;-)

I don’t dislike you at all. And if you mistake me having a bit of fun with you as insults, well, that is your problem, and I kind of feel sorry for you. Relax dudess, we are just posting here on a Star Trek board — this is not like a life or death struggle. Perhaps mix in a massage or a cold shower to calm you down from my evil posts? :-)

479. smegger56 - March 1, 2013

Shatner was awesome. And so was Seth MacFarlane.

Dammit paramount, let him to a Trek family guy. Please.

480. Theatre Historian_Levi - March 1, 2013

444, and Emmy does come from the academy.
It comes from the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences.
Which is where Shatners work has been its most noteable.

I am sorry Disinvited, but I am inclinded to agree with those who asking what you feel he has done to warrant an HonoraryOscar.

I really enjoy shatner and believe he is very talented, but I am sorry there is nothing that he has done in FILM that warrents an HonoraryOscar.

And Phill’s question is a fair one to ask of you?

481. Edith - March 1, 2013

Keep on rockin’ Bill and keep winning the no win scenario.

482. Phil - March 1, 2013


I don’t think anyone is asking you to concede, the point you made, and have been consistant with, is that his body of work is sufficient for consideration. I would expect there to be something noteworthy, other then volumn, because I can present you with a list of celebrities with a comperable resume, none of who would ever be considered for an Oscar. It was at that point that the Edgar Bergan and logic rabbit trails appeared. It subjective to the extent that fans of Shatners JT Kirk would be inclined to see him with the honor. A critical look at his career suggests otherwise. I’m not a fan of Lucille Ball, but was suprised to see she had not been honored. Again, the system isn’t perfect, but the overall body of work of the various honorees suggests there is a standard for consideration…and Shatner does not meet the standard.

Again, an Emmy or a SAG award is a high honor, and a better reflection of the medium he made his name in.

483. Danpaine - March 1, 2013

481. Edith – March 1, 2013

Keep on rockin’ Bill and keep winning the no win scenario.

———————— Well put!

And TrekMovie Staff – please post something – ANYTHING – new relatively soon, so the tripe on this particular thread comes to an end. Thank you.

484. Jack - March 1, 2013

The Shatner fat jokes are a little too easy. I made them in high school. I was also kind of disgusted with Shatner for not staying in James T. Kirk shape, whatever that is. Oh, and I was also manorexic and obsessed with having washboard abs — so I had a pretty unrealistic idea of how body weight works for different people.

And now I’m at that age (40) where I exercise more than I ever did before avoid sugar and complex carbs and eat well and yet my body doesn’t respond quite like it used to. I look at my dad, who’s 77, eats absurdly well, briskly walks 10+ miles a day and also regularly swims, plays tennis and golfs, and he’s put on 10-15 pounds a decade since he turned 40. His doctor’s fine with his weight. He’s not fat, but he’s more Shatnery than he used to be. I used to hassle him (meanly) to lose weight for his health — but I didn’t know what I was talking about.

Yes, that has nothong to do with Shat. But he’s 82, and he’s likely still more active than most of us — give the guy a break.

485. Jack - March 1, 2013

I’m certainly not pushing you to concede, you have a right to your opinion. But challenging points in an argument is perfectly fair.

Shatner’s made albums, does he deserve an honorary Grammy (if there’s such a thing?)? He was in a couple of Broadway plays 50+ years ago – does he deserve an honorary Tony? An Olympic medal for decades of horsemanship? I don’t know. Is this the equivalent of the participation ribbon? The argument “hard work should be rewarded” doesn’t hold if we’re talking about an award for excellence in a medium that Shatner has never been particularly excellent in. He was never nominated for an Oscar for his film work at the time. Plenty of actors work hard for decades — do they get Oscars too? Is it decided by sheer volume?

He’s primarily a TV star, and that’s not an insult. He’s certainly an entertainer. Is he a movie star (apart from Trek?)? Does being in movies make you a movie star? Sure, Trek II was good (and the director held Shatner in) but does it merit an Oscar 30 years later? Me, I don’t think so.

Compare Shatner to Christopher Plummer — who has been nominated multiple times (and finally won) an Oscar…

486. MJ - March 1, 2013

“Shatner’s made albums, does he deserve an honorary Grammy (if there’s such a thing?)? He was in a couple of Broadway plays 50+ years ago – does he deserve an honorary Tony? An Olympic medal for decades of horsemanship? I don’t know. Is this the equivalent of the participation ribbon? The argument “hard work should be rewarded” doesn’t hold if we’re talking about an award for excellence in a medium that Shatner has never been particularly excellent in. He was never nominated for an Oscar for his film work at the time. Plenty of actors work hard for decades — do they get Oscars too? Is it decided by sheer volume?”

Exactly !!!!!

487. Rose (as in Keachick) - March 1, 2013

431, 432 and 435 are not me.
I guess now the imposter is just using my nickname.

488. DiscoSpock - March 1, 2013

Lyrics for STID just released — see below. Spoilers — the lyrics indicate that Khan is in the film and that William Shatner will be involved in some capacity.

Shata, Shata, Shata, Shata Khan
Shata Khan, Shata Khan, Shata Khan
Shata Khan, let me rock you
Let me rock you, Shata Khan
Let me rock you, that’s all I wanna do
Shata Khan, let me rock you
Let me rock you, Shata Khan
Let me rock you, let me feel for you
Shata Khan let me tell you what I wanna do
Do you feel for me, the way I feel for you
Shata Khan let me tell you what I wanna do
I wanna love you, wanna hug you, wanna squeeze you too
Let me take you in my arms
Let me fill you with my charms, Shata
‘Cause you know that I’m the one to keep you warm
Shata, I’ll make you more than just a physical dream
I wanna rock you, Shata
Baby, cause you make me wanna scream
Let me rock you, rock you

489. Keachick - March 1, 2013

William Shatner is a good, but often inconsistent, actor. Sometimes he is not that good in some shows. Perhaps that has to do with the quality of the material he is given to work with… However, William Shatner has clearly shown himself to be utterly brilliant at times – unbeatable.

I have finally managed to find myself season 2 of TOS on DVD and I am loving it and loving him as Captain Kirk. It has been quite a while since I have been able to see anything of TOS, as in seeing complete episodes with good quality audio-visuals. Star Trek TOS is not being shown here on TV at the moment.

I can confirm that Chris Pine does have some big shoes to fill, but I also think he does have what it takes to do this Kirk character justice. He may not be exactly like Shatner/Kirk, but then again, I would not want to him to be, because that TOS Shatner/Kirk is a wonderful, lovable, unique and at times quirky character. I mean, who else could pull off telling his first officer of a 23rd century starship light years away from earth to “mind the store”….Love it, love it, love it!

Chris can place his own unique and lovable mark on this great character.

As for whether William Shatner should receive a lifetime achievement award, I don’t know. It is not up to me nor does it matter that much to me either. I can still clearly recall a dream I had the other night (for real) of “my captain” standing either side of me, ie William Shatner and Chris Pine. That’s what cool! Of course, if William Shatner does receive any such award, I will be applauding!!!

Jack – I realize the scene introducing John Harrison came before the scenes showing Kirk/Spock/McCoy on the alien planet. It is just that the first scenes with John Harrison did not feel like it really belonged with the rest of what was shown in the preview.

On reconsidering, I think that you guys may be right about the preview not being made available to all, given the effort and cost many had to go to in order to see the preview on 3D IMAX in the first place.

490. Trekkiegal63 - March 1, 2013

#485 Jack:

First off, thank you for sticking the content of the debate…

He was never nominated for an Oscar for his film work at the time.

And this is where the argument is subjective. Do I feel, personally, that Shatner deserved an Oscar for his work in Khan? Yes. I do. I thought it a brilliant bit of acting.

Do I feel he deserved it over Ben Kingsley, who won that year (1982) for “Gandhi”? Tough call, “Gandhi” was an excellent movie and Kingsley gave an excellent performance. Even though my personal bias goes towards science fiction, and Star Trek in particular, I can’t in all honesty say I’d give Shatner the award over Kingsley. Do I feel Shatner deserved to be nominated over Dustin Hoffman, who was also nominated that same year for “Tootsie”? Well, yes. Don’t get me wrong, Hoffman’s a fabulous actor, but I’m looking strictly at the content in which he was nominated. “Tootsie” while an entertaining film, doesn’t stand out in my mind as being Hoffman’s most stellar work.

Sadly, science fiction films are mostly overlooked when it comes to the academy. So even if a film might be deserving of one, even if the actors in it are extraordinary, they just don’t get nominated.

i.e. In 1977 Star Wars, which arguably had a tremendous impact over the film industry and how science fiction films were percieved, wasn’t even nominated. The award that year went to “Rocky”. Now I like “Rocky”, but do I think it’s a better film than “Star Wars: A New Hope”? Absolutely not. And actually, of those film which were nominated that year, I still wouldn’t have picked “Rocky”, I would have picked “All the President’s Men” (which *is* some of Hoffman’s better work).

So at this point, as in, judging the body of an actors work, its subjective. Shatner’s performance in Khan struck a chord with me. I had been raised on TOS. I had grown to love the characters and care about their personal struggles. During Spock’s funeral, and Kirk’s speech, I cried (at least that first time, all truth be told I still get a bit watery-eyed). My affection for the series entirely colored how affected I was by the movie. I didn’t have that sort of visceral reaction with any other film that year. I can’t honestly say that my being a Trekkie doesn’t color that, because Star Trek means something to me, so I’m going to be a bit biased. But relating to something doesn’t make the emotions associated any less real. When it comes down to it, for every award, every year, we all watch with a bias of what film we want to win based on our personal associations with our film of choice. We want it to win because we liked it best.

I liked Khan best.

491. Vultan - March 1, 2013


Star Wars was nominated for Best Picture of 1977. Annie Hall won. Rocky won the previous year.

Apart from that, are you folks still on about a Shatner Oscar? Have you considered he might not really care about these silly awards? The man has always struck me as a James Cagney sort of working actor. “Yeah, yeah, yeah, just yell ‘cut’ already so I can get back to the horse ranch—and some peace and quiet.”

One of many reasons I like him.

492. Trekkiegal63 - March 1, 2013

#491 Vultan:

Thank you for the correction. Figured out what I did wrong, when I was looking at the oscar website a little bit ago I went by movie release year, not oscar ceremony date.

…however, I still stand by my point. “Star Wars” should have won over “Annie Hall” as well. And I believe the reason it didn’t, was because of the genre under which it was created.

493. NX01 - March 1, 2013

What clip? there is nothing there.

494. I don't like to loose - March 1, 2013

For Charlie X and sock puppets:

495. Red Dead Ryan - March 1, 2013


I agree that “Star Wars” should have won the Best Film Oscar.

I also agree that Shatner was great in TWOK as well as TSFS. Not sure if his performance was good enough to win an Oscar, though.

Shatner has always acted like Shatner to varying degrees in his career, even in TWOK and TSFS, as well as TOS.

I think that’s the problem, at least when it comes to the Oscars. There’s a different standard of acting to that of the Emmys. The Emmys seem to allow for a greater difference in acting styles. William Shatner won for his character of Denny Crane on “Boston Legal”, but if he played that character in a film, there’s no way he would have been nominated for an Oscar. The Oscars tend to nominate more serious performances.

496. norez - March 1, 2013

TrekkieGal63 – You rock! (From another TrekkieGal63 ;-)

497. Lostrod - March 1, 2013

Anyone here passing judgement on Mr. Shatner’s physical condition at age 81+ planning on attending the 24th Annual Bataan Memorial Death March this year?

I would love to see some TrekMovie participation this year. MJ and RDR – want to link up at White Sands Missle Range this year?


498. Jkm Nightshade - March 1, 2013

Mongo died…..may he rest in peace buried in a piano case probably…..

499. K-7 - March 1, 2013

“Do I feel he deserved it over Ben Kingsley, who won that year (1982) for “Gandhi”? Tough call, “Gandhi” was an excellent movie and Kingsley gave an excellent performance. Even though my personal bias goes towards science fiction, and Star Trek in particular, I can’t in all honesty say I’d give Shatner the award over Kingsley. Do I feel Shatner deserved to be nominated over Dustin Hoffman, who was also nominated that same year for “Tootsie”? Well, yes.”

Ben Kingsley barely edging out Shatner for the Oscar. Shatner beating out Dustin Hoffman for an Oscar?

You are joking, I hope???

500. Lostrod - March 1, 2013

#499 – K-7:

“You are joking, I hope???”

No. Apparently not.

Trekkiegal63 has an opinion. Obviously different from yours. However, that doesn’t make it a joke. Are you unable to accept the fact that some folks may have different opinions than you?

It’s a sad state of affairs when someone has to mock someone when they don’t share their same opinion.

I understand that YOU may feel that one actor’s performance is better than another. However, shouldn’t you also accept that not everyone agrees?


501. Hat Rick - March 1, 2013

Just saw Data in a GE commercial.

First season TNG version.

Also Robbie the robot and others.


502. DiscoSpock - March 1, 2013

Sometimes you have to look close in an unorthodox way to appreciate the Oscar-worthy genius of William Shatner.

For example, he singlehandidly made 1977’s Kingdom on the Spiders one of the best genre films of that decade. That was the year Star Wars came out, so unfortunately, Shatner’s Oscar-worthy performance was overlooked.

And again in 2002’s Showtime, Shatner’s genius comedic take on TJ Hooker should have received the guy a Best Supporting Actor nomination at least.

The Academy would do good to rectify Shatner being passed over for these and other seminal roles of the past six decades that this A-lister’s genius has been involved with.

503. K-7 - March 1, 2013

@500. Seriously, I think she was joking in that post, and you are mistaken. It is just so outlandish, that’s it is obviously a joke, right?

However, if if wasn’t a joke, then I apologize.

But you are not the person who wrote this, so please spare me your lecture until Trekiegal can confirm or not whether she was pulling all of our legs.

504. Lostrod - March 1, 2013

K-7 Who are you to sling holier than now B.S. Lecturing at me.

Be Grown up and act your age.

505. Lostrod - March 1, 2013

Everyone knows that K-7, Disco Spock and MJ are the same person.
Your posts are all so similar in nastiness.

506. Lostrod - March 1, 2013

#505 is not me.

Sigh. I wish this site had a moderator.


507. Disinvited - March 1, 2013

#480. Theatre Historian_Levi

I have answered but people don’t like the answer because they keep trying to confuse the Honorary Award with the criteria for the other Awards voted on by the body politic of the Academy.

The Board of Governors have different criteria for giving out Honorary Awards than what everyone opposing it keep imagining.

I’ll try once more: if the Academy Board of Governors can give an Honorary Award specifically for the creation of the iconic character of Charlie McCarthy in which film had no part then they are just as capable of giving William Shatner an Award for his creation of the iconic character of James Kirk.

There’s plenty of other reasons. But let’s just start there. Once I get people to acknowledge that then we can talk about the historical significance of being the first actor to take his starring character from a television series that was left for dead and that same actor resurrecting that starring role into the lead character of a successful motion picture franchise that still exists to this day. Because I guarantee you that if Shatner hadn’t pulled that off none of us would be here on a forum such as this.

508. Theatre Historian_ Levi - March 1, 2013

507, Dude you dont have to lecture me about how Honary Oscars are chosen.
The creator of the theatre I am the historian for, was one of the founding members of theacademy and his theatre played host to the show for several years as well. I know all about the selection process for it. I can tell you this trying to compare the selection of a character actor and his much beloved puppet 70 plus years ago to how its selected today is going to get you know where.

Look back over the honarary winners of the last 4 decades and show me one that is comparable to Edgar and Charlie?
the manner in which honarary winners are selected today is much different than the days of Charlie or Snow white recieving one.

I am not going to get into a back and fourth about this with you about this but do not lecture me, like you know more about something you clearly don’t

Here is a better idea, just drop the subject and agree we all think Shatner is great an Icon of 20/21st century Entertainment.

And please don’t take my response personally, I am sure your a decent person.

509. Disinvited - March 1, 2013

#508. Theatre Historian_ Levi – March 1, 2013

Sorry, didn’t mean to come off that way or to imply that you were included in that mind think. But could you and I at least agree that the Honorary Award exists to honor things that aren’t easily categorized like successfully translating from a dead TV series into thriving movie franchise?

Because it was tried to epic failure with original television actors/characters until Shatner/Kirk pulled it off.

Is it that untoward to suggest that an Honorary Award for being the first to do that is reasonable?

510. MJ - March 2, 2013

@506. Thanks for claifying. Also, I have been posting here since 2008, and if K-7 (who has also been here for years) or anyone else here was me I would have been permanently banned years ago — in the age when Anthony cared to enforce sockpuppeting.

The same person here stealing your name I think is the person stealing Rose’s name lately as well.

As Jonboc always claims K-7 and I are the same person, I have a suspicion that he might be behind this lastest trouble-marking.

511. Theatre Historian_Levi - March 2, 2013

First Let me begin with saying Thank you for the apology Disinvited.
Secondly let me say the problem with what you are suggesting is,
It wasn’t just Shatner that fosterd that Succesful transition it was the entire cast and creative team as whole who accomplished that.
And that would be something that would have been easier to argue for durring the TOS feature films hey day.

But alas as I said the way they select the Honorary Winners today is alot different from how they did durring Bergen’s day.
The mind set of todays board of governors is a lot different than the founding board of govenors durring that first decade of its exsistance.

512. MJ - March 2, 2013

“There’s plenty of other reasons. But let’s just start there. Once I get people to acknowledge that then we can talk about the historical significance of being the first actor to take his starring character from a television series that was left for dead and that same actor resurrecting that starring role into the lead character of a successful motion picture franchise that still exists to this day.”

By this criteria, Leonard Nimoy would be much more deserving, since he was more successful in movie acting than Shatner, he actually directed successfuly movies, including big hits outside of Trek, and his character of Spock is even more iconic and responsible for Star Trek’s success than Shatner’s Kirk.

You know, its still a stretch, but I could see Nimoy getting some consideration at least for Lifetime Oscar. Shat though — just doesn’t have the motion picture credibility.

513. Disinvited - March 2, 2013


“The exceptional cast includes Oscar winner Maximilian Schell, nominees Spencer Tracy, Montgomery Clift and Judy Garland, plus Burt Lancaster, Marlene Dietrich and William Shatner. The film garnered a total of 11 nominations, and won an Oscar for its adapted screenplay by Abby Mann.” – Larry King

514. Red Shirt Diaries - March 2, 2013

MJ, I gree with the point on Nimoy. His role in Invasion of the Body Snatchers hands down is better acting than anything Shat did on the big screen outside of Star Trek. And unlike Shat, Nimoy never “mailed in” any of his Trek movie performances.

515. MJ - March 2, 2013


Disinvited, wow, that link just kind of proves the opposite point dude. I just watched the main entry, where Larry King interview Osca Winner Maximill Shell, and Shell and King go through all the main performances in the movie, and poor Shatner is left out. To add insult to injury, the Shat video shown in this series, is not a formal professional interview like the others, but instead features Shat in his office wearing a T-Shirt in what obviously is a home video.

Dude, this shows the opposite of what you were trying to prove with that link.

516. Disinvited - March 2, 2013

#511. Theatre Historian_Levi – March 2, 2013

#512. MJ – March 2, 2013

Now we are getting somewhere.

I would much rather Trek as a whole be acknowledged as I previously stated but I think that ship has sailed. Plus, there’s a bias that while it now recognizes science-fiction as significant money-wise still tends to undervalue its import.

MJ, I think Nimoy definitely deserves it for more than STAR TREK. However, Shatner was the one who put his name on the line as the star with regards to a major motion picture. He rode point while Nimoy demurred with I AM NOT SPOCK and trying to get Spock killed off while it was in the PHASE TWO stage. And if it wasn’t all on Shatner’s shoulders as the star in TMP it definitely was by TWOK. Nimoy had the parachute of his character being dead if it had bombed. No guts; no glory as they say.

Granted Nimoy turned that around but I wouldn’t begrudge Shatner his due because of it. Facts are Nimoy waffled and hedged but Shatner had the guts not to.

Maybe I’m wrong but Shatner has displayed an incredible knack for self-promotion, I just can’t see him being there among the Governors and not finding someway to sell it. It would be as unthinkable as I surmised in these very forums for Abrams NOT to use DISNEY and PARAMOUNT against each other when he was approached for STAR WARS.

This has been my point: out of sight; out of mind. Shatner has cleared that first hurdle.

517. MJ - March 2, 2013

Nimoy was a successful Hollywood director though, which gives him significant more “movie chops” than Shat to be even considered by the academy for a liftetime award.

You are talking about some type of Star Trek achievement award with Shat being the leader, so he would accept that. I just don’t see any chance of that happening. It’s a fun idea though.

518. Disinvited - March 2, 2013

#517. MJ – March 2, 2013

Well if you read what I quoted from the Oscar site they don’t give “Lifetime Achievement” Awards only “Honorary” ones.

But you’ll get no argument from me that Nimoy is the better director.

But i don’t think it is an either or. They both deserve one for different things. It’s just Nimoy pales in self-promotion to Shatner. And rightly or wrongly the spotlight’s on Bill now.

Regardless, Shatner’s got his name on the Oscars’ site as an “exceptional cast” member.

Theatre Historian_Levi, for Emmys they let the productions pick their best episodes to submit for consideration. Is there any precedent in the Honorary Awards for the Governors to ask someone being considered to make their case? Or is that just left up to whoever nominates the person for consideration?

519. Disinvited - March 2, 2013

517. MJ – March 2, 2013

You might find it interesting to name television series’ actors who took their characters to the silver screen and failed to launch a film franchise:

Adam West/Batman
Fred Gwynn/Herman Munster
Robert Vaughn/Napolean Solo
Don Adams/Maxwell Smart
Lorne Greene/Commander Adama (In the US, the other way around outside)

Fun fact: MUNSTER GO HOME killed Don Adams first Smart motion picture which actually did a reverse TMP becoming the script for a double episode of the GET SMART series.

520. Jonboc - March 2, 2013

#510 “Also, I have been posting here since 2008, and if K-7 (who has also been here for years) or anyone else here was me I would have been permanently banned years ago — in the age when Anthony cared to enforce sockpuppeting.”

Can you say “proxy server”? I knew that you could. ;)

521. Phil - March 2, 2013

I’d be happy with just one reason. Shatner deserves the award because….. No one at this point gives a rats @$$ why Edgar Bergan won it. Articulate one reason Shatner deserves it.

Succssful TV franchise going to the big screen…The Three Stooges did it when Shatner was still a kid.

Emmy, SAG, Saturn or Hugo….much more representative of his body of work.

522. Phil - March 2, 2013

@518. At least we are getting somewhere. Shatner deserves the award because he’s a master at tooting his own horn.

Yeah, that ought to do it…..

523. Phil - March 2, 2013

@518. Edgar Bergan won one, so give one to________________(insert name of random celebrity here).

How could I have been so blind. The Board of Governers needs to come to it’s senses and rename the trophy “The Shatner”…..

524. Phil - March 2, 2013

My bad. TTS were movie shorts, then they started doing features…

Let the beatings begin….

525. Disinvited - March 2, 2013

#524. Phil – March 2, 2013

Got you! Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk. ;-)

As for the tooting his own horn thing, do you really want to go down the road that ends with you having to contend that the studios and others with the ability (usually copious amount of money) to loudly toot their own horns never influence the outcome of the Academy’s awards?

People in film who do historic firsts do get Honorary Awards. It is worthy of note and Shatner has a career and a career in film that Trekkiegal63 has shown can be spun into a nice little historical retrospective so that the Board feels good about doing so.

And after Trek gets that foot in the door, I agree with MJ that people should start making the case for Nimoy.

In a perfect world they’d both get Honorary Awards on Trek’s 50th Anniversary but that probably will depend on whether stingy Paramount sees any value in such lobbying.

526. Disinvited - March 2, 2013

#524. Phil – March 2, 2013

I have been trying to inject humor from time to time in my replies but it seems to fall flat as some are seriously offended by the suggestion.

Me? I’m totally amazed that no one in the opposing camp has suggested that Shatner’s Oscar would be more than perfectly appropriate in wood!

527. MJ - March 2, 2013

Disinvited: “But could you and I at least agree that the Honorary Award exists to honor things that aren’t easily categorized like successfully translating from a dead TV series into thriving movie franchise? Because it was tried to epic failure with original television actors/characters until Shatner/Kirk pulled it off.”

Phil: “Succssful TV franchise going to the big screen…The Three Stooges did it when Shatner was still a kid.”

WHOOPS ! ! !

528. MJ - March 2, 2013

@520. Ah, the fact that you practically immediately responded here pretty much proves to all of us that you were in fact the person who stole Lostrod’s identity last night.

Jonboc = Fake Lostrod = Fake Rose

Here’s betting that you have been the trouble-making sock-puppet all along — Stunkill, Mark James Tuckers…etc. etc. etc.

PS: How convenient that you know all about proxy servers. You were quick out of the box with that response too. LOL

529. Phil - March 2, 2013

@526. I’m not going down any road here, I’m just sitting here at my desk with my feet up, amused that a few people think this is a great idea but can’t say why.

I was going to ask, again, but I’m just repeating myself, and it’s getting boring. The award is not going to happen, ever, that a B Lister would get that award. Good luck with the campaign….if you pop over to one of those petition sites keep us posted on how many signatures you get.

Actually, the award should look like the tree from ‘A Charle Brown Christmas’. An appropiate symbol for Bill’s directing skills….resisting the urge to suggest the winner is getting wood…

530. Risk is our business - March 2, 2013

Congrats to Seth and Bill. Great job guys.

531. DiscoSpock - March 2, 2013

Jonboc’s posts do seem to always pop up in the middle of periods like this when people’s identifies are being used by someone. The term used for this is a “suspicious coincidence.”

And when Johnboc does pop up, he is always quick to get in an insult to MJ and K-7 that they are the same person. The term used for this is a “preemptive strike.”

532. Mongo - March 2, 2013

Mongo say that like I was voice for THX,

K-7, Red Dead, and Disco Spock are voice for MJ.

They are one in same. Mongo think that ok, but they need to not be mean to people much so.

533. Mongo - March 2, 2013

Mongo say wrong you are.
The stooges started out in Vaudville, and then moved to screens of cinema.
Long before Television they were on.

534. Mongo - March 2, 2013

Mongo really like you MJ, think you swell guy, but you get to mean for taste of sum.

perhaps mongo introduce you and personalities to anger management coach.

Me want see MJ Happy

535. DiscoSpock - March 2, 2013

Great, Jonboc, now you are stealing Mongo from THX.

Let me guess, Jonboc/Mongo — everyone here that calls you out here or dares to challenges you, must be MJ, right? Because certainly no one else here would ever dare to challenge Jonboc on anything? You are pathetic.

Get out of here, your fuc*ing loser.

536. Admiral Archer's Prize Beagle - March 2, 2013

To Everyone,

Call me a party pooper if you must, but I just don’t think the stealing of identities is acceptable behavior on this website.

Whoever is doing this, whether if be Jonboc or someone else, please stop behaving like an ass and ruining the Star Trek conversations here for the rest of us. If you have scores to settle with others here, then at least man-up and challenge people directly, instead of stealing someone else’s identify.

537. Jonboc - March 2, 2013

#531 “And when Johnboc does pop up, he is always quick to get in an insult to MJ and K-7 that they are the same person. ”

…now let’s not leave Disco Spock and Red Shirt diaries out of this, that wouldn’t be fair. I believe they are MJ as well! :)

And nothing particularly convenient about the knowledge of proxy servers. I simply mention it to undserscore the fact that, because you haven’t been banned means nothing and proves nothing, in this instance, as IPs are easily hidden. Anyone can use them. I’m flattered by your accusations though. :) But I simply dont have the time or inclination to bounce around like that…as entertaining as it may be!

538. DiscoSpock - March 2, 2013

@537. Jonboc, you just proved my point again for me. By “preemptively” saying that I must be MJ as well as K-7, you are attempting to belittle my legitimate criticism of your stealing of identities. You are trying to get others to believe that I am not legitimate. so that you can deflect your bad behavior here.

And again, why is it during many of these periods when impostors are running wild here, you just happen to show up with a post, and not only that, you immediately jump on MJ and K-7? Every time these impostors show up, there you are, like clockwork.

539. Keachick - March 2, 2013

Ha, Ha, Ha,

Disco Spock, MJ, K-7, Red Dead Ryan, we all know you are the same person. Why won’t you be nice to us here.

You need to be taught a lesson here by us.

540. DiscoSpock - March 2, 2013

See folks — the impostor posts above in post numbers #532, #533, #534 and #538, and who do we find in the middle of all those posts with his usual “preemptive strike” accusing others of sock-puppeting?

Jonboc, that’s who.

Jonboc, you are not as clever as you think you are.

I dared to challenge the great Jonboc, and now of course I get labeled as MJ’s sock-puppet by him as well.

Here is a prediction — anyone that dares to challenge or disagree with Jonboc on, is going to get labeled by Jonboc or on of his “Body Snatchers” as being a sockpuppet of MJ.

Jonboc can’t admit to himself that others here might not actually buy into his full of shit thinking, so everyone he doesn’t like must therefore be MJ of course. And so then he turns his Body Snatchers on them.

Jonboc and his gang of Body Snatchers are not fooling anyone here anymore.

541. Keachick - March 2, 2013

I have never accused any poster here of being an imposter or sockpuppet. All I do know is some the posts appearing here on this thread/site, using my pseudonym, were NOT written by me. Post #539 is not my post. My last post on this thread is #489.

I am the real, the original Keachick…the person who first posted here in June 2010.

542. Keachick - March 2, 2013

edit: “…is some OF the posts…”

Where is the moderator? Can he actually tell who the imposters and sockpuppets are? Please answer!

Kea(chick) are known to be curious about one kind of junk – jewellery. Even then, given the choice, kea will choose diamond over zirconia

543. Keachick - March 2, 2013

Correct that – post #541 is not mine.
Post numbers have changed….


544. Keachick - March 2, 2013

All, posts 541, 542 and 543 are not mine.

545. K-7 - March 2, 2013

Sheesh, Jonboc, you are attacking me again?

Disco, thanks for the support, but I am perfectly capable of just ignoring trolls like Jonboc.

Whoever has been posting here as Keachick, please stop it. The real Keachick goes by “Rose (as in Keachick).” So you are not so very clever in that you are not evening using the right name in your attempt to impersonate her.

546. Jonboc - March 2, 2013

“Jonboc and his gang of Body Snatchers are not fooling anyone here anymore.”

Well…someone here isn’t fooling anyone here anymore alright…but I don’t think it’s me. lol.

And keachick, I feel that Red Dead Ryan is the real deal, it’s Red Shirt Diaries that seems to have the trademark “MJ slant” in his posts…though not near as prevelant as K7 and Disco Spock.

Anyway, all that foolishness aside, the real reason my many aliases and I are dropping in tonight is to share this cool shuttle update I stumbled across while browsing It appears the new owners of the shuttle are treating the old girl well!

547. DiscoSpock - March 2, 2013

“And keachick, I feel that Red Dead Ryan is the real deal, it’s Red Shirt Diaries that seems to have the trademark “MJ slant” in his posts…though not near as prevelant as K7 and Disco Spock.”

That is hilarious — you are responding to your own imposter version of Keachick! LOL

548. Lostrod - March 2, 2013

Hmm. #504 wasn’t me either. Missed that one before.

Not my style.


549. Harry Ballz - March 2, 2013



550. MJ - March 2, 2013

E V E R Y O N E,





551. Lostrod - March 2, 2013

#549 & #550:



552. Phil - March 2, 2013

@546. Interesting – when they mentioned a museum quality restoration, would anyone clarify if they are doing it to origonal construction documents (and specifictions), or are they substituting more advanced materials for the structural components?

553. K-7 - March 2, 2013


Not that it is any of your business, but, for the record, MJ and I are friends in “the real world”, and have traveled to numerous Trek and scifi conventions together since the mid-1980’s.

554. Mongo - March 2, 2013

Mongo say MJ/k-7 just admit in post 553 that they are the same person.

Mongo also say why MJ/K7 not just relax and let world unfold as it should.

Mongo like you MJ, find your split personalities funny, and entertaining.

Mongo want to squeeze you and hug you and never let go

555. Mongo - March 2, 2013

Mongo not sure what spock would be doing at Disco.

Why is spock at disco?

556. Mongo - March 2, 2013

Mongo think that Shatner Bill should get honored at oscars for his work creating Icon character Kirk through comedy

557. K-7 - March 2, 2013

Come on, Jonboc, stop your Mongo nonsense. Enough!

558. Mongo - March 2, 2013

Mongo like to use K-Y with K-7, while we both discuss the beauty of MJ.

559. Mongo - March 2, 2013

557 sorry MJ
you point finger at wrong man.

New improve Mongo not voice for THX or Jon

Mongo speak for Mongo.

And Mongo not being mean, not use dirty words, or call name.

So you have no foot to tell mongo stop.

560. Mongo - March 2, 2013

558 not same Mongo.

561. Mongo - March 2, 2013

Mongo may have crossed a line with saying that. Mongo now will claim this not him posting here.

562. Mongo - March 2, 2013

Fake Mongo not happy other fake Mongo appear.

563. Mongo - March 2, 2013

559 not Mongo. Mongo not talk that way.

564. K-7 - March 2, 2013

Jonboc, this is NOT funny.

565. Mongo - March 2, 2013

Mongo thinks very funny

566. Mongo - March 2, 2013

Mongo thinks MJ lighten up

567. Mongo - March 2, 2013

565 and 566 not Mongo

568. Mongo - March 2, 2013

Mongo thinks MJ pretending be Mongo

569. K-7 - March 2, 2013

Hey fruit loop — Jonboc/Mongo(s) or whoever the frack you are.

I am signing off for the night. I have had enough of your trolling here for one day, ass-wipe.

570. Khan I'm laughing at the 'superior intellect' - March 2, 2013

Way to go Mongo, you gave the b*stards a taste of their own medicine.

571. Mongo - March 2, 2013

Mongo go bed, now night night everyone

572. Mongo - March 2, 2013

Mongo think 570 is MJ too

Mongo see MJ pretending again

573. Mongo - March 2, 2013

571 is not Mongo

574. Khan I'm laughing at the 'superior intellect' - March 2, 2013

Well screw you then.

575. Mongo - March 2, 2013

Mongo think half the people posting here are MJ

576. Khan I'm laughing at the 'superior intellect' - March 2, 2013

Hey guy, I was trying to support you. I’ve had enough of MJ myself. The guy has got to be taught a lesson here. Come on, I’m backing you.

577. Mongo - March 2, 2013

Now Mongo going bed for good.

Mongo not believe Khan guy.

Mongo say goodnight MJ

578. Mongo - March 2, 2013

577 not Mongo.

579. Oh what a web a fool weaves that traps himself eventually - March 2, 2013

574 576 not 570.

580. Khan I'm laughing at the 'superior intellect' - March 2, 2013

Who the hell are you? You got a problem with my posts?

581. Mongo - March 2, 2013

Mongo say, see, MJ = Khan guy.

Mongo thinks MJ also new Web Fool guy.

MJ mind F’ing us, Mongo thinks

582. Khan I'm laughing at the 'superior intellect' - March 2, 2013

Mongo, I was trying to support you, jerkweed.

583. Oh Crap, they might actually figure out who I am soon - March 2, 2013

Good night all.

Anyone guess who I really am yet?

If anyone can guess who I am, I will stop stealing all of your identities.

584. Harry Ballz - March 3, 2013

Oh, I know, the Ghost of Assh*le Past?

585. DiscoSpock - March 3, 2013

Watch out Harry, or Jonboc or whoever this clown is will be claiming you are MJ next.

586. You haven't won Trelane - March 3, 2013


587. Mark Lynch - March 3, 2013

Holy crap!

We really need a registered forum type environment here…

588. crazydaystrom - March 3, 2013

583. Oh Crap, they might actually figure out who I am soon –

“Anyone guess who I really am yet?

If anyone can guess who I am, I will stop stealing all of your identities.”

Wow! I haven’t been following any of this at all but all that was missing from that post was the comic book supervillain ‘BWAHAHAHA!!!’ laugh. Are you really Lex Luthor? Doctor Doom? Doc Ock?

589. James - March 3, 2013

Disqus, please anthony its included as a feature for word press sites like this. please stop this madness.

590. Phil - March 3, 2013

Go away for a few hours, and a Seinfeld episode breaks out….

591. James - March 3, 2013

Mark, it doesnt even need to be a forum enviroment, there are registerd comment login systems like Disqus and others.
they dont cost anything for site owners to add to their sites.

that would end this once and for all.

592. Jack - March 3, 2013

It’s absolutely subjective — but why would the academy change their tune suddenly now when they’ve never acknowledged anything Shatner’s done in film? It’s possible but seems unlikely. It goes against their recent MO. They honor their own — it’s like a drycleaners’ convention.

Sure. They could give him an award and some of us think they should, but why would they change their patterns at this point? Putting aside Charlie McCarthy 80 years ago, they focus on film (yes, not just acting). Heck, Andy Griffith, who had a pretty respected film career before TV, wasn’t even mentioned in the In Memoriam segment. And this has happened before with fairly well-known actors with many film credits (Henry Morgan, Pete Posthelwaite).

Some of us think Shatner should be honoured, fair enough. But I think an arguably likelier route for recognition from industry insiders would be for Shatner to do something to get himself nominated in the next few years. He’ll be working at 100 as it is.

593. Jack - March 3, 2013

That was sitting here waiting for me to hit send from yesterday morning — when my ipad died…

it looks like I’ve missed a major topic shift… into darkness.

594. Jack - March 3, 2013

583… You’re Bob trying to get banned so you won’t be posting future conspiracy mising here, thus avoidng bad press?

595. Son of Jello - March 3, 2013

550 Nice tantrum MJ.

596. Disinvited - March 3, 2013

#592. Jack – March 3, 2013

One thing I do recall from following the Oscars is the Board is not one static body ensconced for years. Members are rotated out fairly regularly. Along those lines several posts have pointed out today’s Board is nothing like that of 1937.

In building the case for Shatner leading in pieces of feature motion picture historic firsts more than once:


597. Jack - March 3, 2013

Hey, anything’s possible. Yeah, it’s not the same board as 30 years ago — but isit likely they’d suddenly decide on their own that he’d made a great contribution to film when there’s been no previous academy hint at this — and when scores of other great actors have been overlooked? Dunno. Again, anything’s possible.

I think Incubus was the first — and last — Esperanto movie.:).

598. In every revolution there is one man with a vision - March 3, 2013

583: Salt Creature from ‘Man Trap’ combined with Devil Creature from ‘Day of the Dove’.

599. Keachick - March 3, 2013

My last post was #543. I am Keachick from NZ. Those who know me will, hopefully, remember my explanation as to how I came by the pseudonym – Keachick. Later I also adopted other pseudonyms with Keachick as part of the name. That other “Keachick” is an imposter and should not be using my name or speaking for me.

Other than above, nothing to see here, unfortunately.

600. Son of Jello - March 3, 2013

599 I thought the email address had to match the name to be used legitimately.

601. Keachick - March 3, 2013

#600 – So did I. Last year I found out that anyone can use any name they wish which is what is happening here again. The operation of this site has been based (possibly) on trust and goodwill of those choosing to post comments here. Unfortunately, there are one or two people who have and are abusing the ease with which anyone can post to this site and it is spoiling things for genuine posters who are open and just want to be who they are and say stuff, without having someone else use/abuse their pseudonym to troll, cause mischief, even hurt.

Unfortunately, only the administrators can put a stop to these people but so far they have not… this time.

I can only post here if I use one email address. I can no longer post using my other totally legitimate NZ ISP email address, therefore that is how I know that the administrators/AP must know I am who I say I am. I don’t know if this is the case for others who comment here.

602. Red Dead Ryan - March 3, 2013

Anthony had stated a few months ago how he doesn’t want to add a sign-in section because he claimed that it would make people feel unwelcome.

I honestly think Anthony doesn’t really give a rat’s ass about his own site anymore.

603. James - March 3, 2013

How is that unwelcome?
Seriously until he does that we are going to get stuck with these commenters who are just trying to bring upon Chaos in these comments posts.

604. James - March 3, 2013

Pretty much every site that has a comments section requires a registerd login these days, and with things like Disqus, people can simply register to comment by linking an account they allready have on facebook or twitter.
take a look at how much better the comments section is over at aintitcool news now that people actually for the most part have to post under accounts that take away the annonymity that fosters trolling comments.

Its still not perfect over there but the trolls have subsided a great deal since they added that feature.

Unless the site management just cares about the hits the articles gets,and doesnt care if its being filled with spam and troll comments.

in which case, why bother to read here anymore.

that whole Mongo crap last night, should never be tolearted by the owner of a website.

605. Phil - March 3, 2013

@596. Incubus. A film, lead by the brilliant acting of William Shatner, broke new ground for Esperanto. Were it not for this bold move, at great risk to his career, we would not be able to enjoy the worldwide acceptance of Hollywood cinema that Esperanto ushered in. Cinema the world over owes Mr. Shatner a debt of gratitude…..

Yeah, right. It’s a shame they missed that copy when they burned the rest of them….

606. Phil - March 3, 2013

@596. Oops…Shatner wasn’t the first here, either…

The Charlie Chaplin film The Great Dictator (1940) showed Jewish ghetto shop signs in Esperanto.

Oh, well. Maybe Bill blazed a trail for Canadian actors to ride horseback or something….

Oh, and I posted the link to create the on-line petition. How’s that going?

607. MJ - March 3, 2013

Guys, although it appears from time to time with all these morons both harassing us and stealing our identities, I think the best solution is what I did last night when this site started going nuts — I just turned off my computer and took a 24 hours break from this site. These couple of people (I’m convinced it it more than one person) get bored after a awhile, and eventually they have to go to their 7-11 or telemarketing job, so we do eventually get a break from them.

I would like to personally apologize to all of the regular posters here given that the chief motivation of these a-holes seems to be to harass, discredit, and make fun of me. Sorry, I guess I didn’t realize how important I am to some peoples lives here in a negative way. These couple of individuals are essentially like “negative groupies” I guess. Not something to be proud of by me.

Jonboc, I don’t think you are on of the troublemakers here, but you do keep throwing gas on the fire by claiming I have all of these sock-puppets. Given that you have said this over and over now — OK, we get that you believe that — maybe you could just tone things down a bit for the betterment of everyone else’s user experience here even if you don’t care for me?

K-7, thanks for your continued support. It wasn’t necessary for you to “out” yourself as a real world friend of mine, but thanks man!!!

608. MJ - March 3, 2013

@599. If you are the real Keachick, then why the confusing sudden switch away from “Rose (as in Keachick),” which the title you have had for over a year? In the middle of all of this identity theft stuff here, it would seem an awkward time for you to suddently make a name change, so please excuse me for being a bit suspicious as to if you are the real “Rose (as in Keachick).”?

609. MJ - March 3, 2013

Esperanto — the 8-track tape of linguistics. LOL

610. MJ - March 3, 2013

@591. “It doesn’t even need to be a forum environment, there are registered comment login systems like Disqus and others. They don’t cost anything for site owners to add to their sites. That would end this once and for all.”

I agree 100%. Furthermore, requiring each person to register using a credit card (at $0 charge) should further be used to validate that everyone is who they say they are on this site.

611. ORAC - March 3, 2013

607 MJ you pompous windbag. There was nothing said but a fair criticism of your behavior and nothing was directed at you other than the behavior you express to other people. Your comment in 607 seem to reinforce the opinion you have of yourself that you are the de facto moderator of this site you are not. A lot of the comments directed at you are nothing less than the treatment you direct at others. I suggest that you take more than a 24hr break and allow others to use this forum unhindered by your self important and overstated opinion of your contribution to this forum. You need to take a good long look at your own behavior your history on this forum and treatment/comments towards other people who use this forum.

All I can see MJ is someone who refuses to take on board any type of comment or criticism directed at you without becoming defensive or aggressive. Basically MJ you can dish it out but are quite incapable of taking it and I think it something you need to come to terms with. You need stop passing judgment on others who they are and what they are allowed to say and not say its not your place to do this.

Trekmovie does not belong to you,you are not the moderator, moral compass or anyone but a contributor and this is something you need to get strait in your head.

612. Jack - March 3, 2013

“The more takes Meyer made Shatner do, the better his acting became. This was because Shatner started delivering his dialogue in a somewhat cheeky leading man manner. After several takes, he got bored and started to actually act. Meyer points out one particular scene – in which Kirk says, “Here it comes” before ordering the Reliant to drop its shields – where this achieved the best line delivery. Initially, Shatner delivered the line with a hint of sarcasm, which Meyer did not want because he felt Khan would have figured out something bad would happen.”
— from a Film Rejects story on Nick Meyer’s TWOK DVD commentary track

613. Phil - March 3, 2013

That seems harsh…

614. DiscoSpock - March 4, 2013

#613. ORAC, are you essentially admitting that you were one of the persons involved here in these identity thefts? You reference, “you can dish it out but are quite incapable of taking it,” would seem to imply that you were dishing this latest round pretend postings out (i.e. stealing others’s identifies and going hard at MJ), and then are irritated that MJ couldn’t take it?

Also, you have not posted in this entire thread, yet “all of a sudden” at this point in time you show up made as hell at MJ? Huh? Why the sudden interest in a thread that you have not even posted once on in over 600 previous entries?

Something stinks here?

615. Admiral Archer's Prize Beagle - March 4, 2013

Re: Orac

I believe that MJ was referring to the goons who hijacked the site last night, as well as those who have been stealing peoples identities lately here.

Surely we can all agree with him on that?

And by the way, your employment of name calling isn’t exactly setting a great standard here either.

616. MJ - March 4, 2013


Finally, some WHO HAS THE BALLS to attack me directly here instead of hiding behind stealing others’ identities or using sockpuppets. OREC is someone who has been posting here over time, so I certainly see this as legit.

For those of you hiding behind others’ identities or making up “secret friend” sock-puppets, take at look at this great example from OREC on how to be a man and address me directly.

And OREC, as to your comments on me — and certainly they do come across a bit harsh and emotional — I apologize once again to you and anyone I have previously offended, and will endeavor to do better in the future.

617. Harry Ballz - March 4, 2013

How about if we all agree to discuss ISSUES and not PERSONALITIES?

618. Apris - March 4, 2013

611 / ORAC

Uh, guy, his post 607 was referring to the people messing with the site and stealing identities? Did you bother to read any of the previous posts to get the general context of his comments?

619. Mark Lynch - March 4, 2013

Apart from this post, obviously!!! I am staying out of commenting until a more secure system is put into place.

It’s more fun to read the article knowing that the person who wrote it, well, wrote it. If you see where I’m coming from…

620. Son of Jello - March 4, 2013

The problem is there has been no new news for 12 days and the topic has become exhausted so people who post get bored and start on each other. Or start talking about subjects that are off topic or irrelevant and we all end up bitching about nothing and hurting each others feelings. Anthony needs to delegate more. The movie is out in a couple of months I cant believe there is nothing to report. If there is nothing to report maybe someone can do a review of a previous ST move or episode and we can talk about that. If its been seven days with nothing put up someones review its better than nothing.

621. $crooge McDuck - March 4, 2013

many of us have called you out on your BS over the years and have been upfront about it, you act like you run the show here. And anytime we call you out, you turn the tables around and start slinging the insults or your buddies start circling the wagons, with faulse accusations and spreading fear uncertainty and distrust.

Disco spocks post 614 is a great example of this.

Disco spock, guess what just cause someone suddenly posts 600 comments into a story, means squat, most of us have lives and don’t need to post here every waking minut

Bottom line MJ and those who seem to follow you no matter what.
You just have to learn to respect that others are allowed to have a difference of opinon.

622. $crooge McDuck - March 4, 2013

Sorry for all the grammatical errors in my last comment, but lol thats what you get when you type in the dark at 3am lol

One more thing I wanted to add, MJ your blanket appology was a step in the right direction.
Its been a long time since I have posted under my original $crooge Mcduck screen name on here, cause of how personally i took some of your comments made to me going back to when 09 came out.
I doubt that you remember me, but just know I appreciate that appology.

And perhaps I will start actually commenting on here again on a regular basis

623. Jack - March 4, 2013

I’m not a big fan of ganging up on one person here – it happens a lot from the various factions. Disagree, sure — but too often a bunch of folks form a posse and spread complaints to a bunch of threads, and drag these battles out over months. It’s not unlike Lord of the Flies. Does nobody see that this isn’t very Trek-like? Sometimes it’s better to walk away (I need to follow this more often).

Most of us can defend ourselves, we don’t need others rushing to our defense, however well-intentioned it may be.

I agree with Harry @ 817.

And the regular branding of certain people as being sockpuppets ([longtime poster] doesn’t exist, he’s really stunkill) is a little nuts.

624. Harry Ballz - March 4, 2013

@623 Jack “I agree with Harry @ 817″


I appreciate the support, Jack, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves! :>)

625. Phil - March 4, 2013

Hey, I’m trying to change the subject. The Oscar for Shat petition has it’s first official signature…..

626. Disinvited - March 4, 2013

#606. Phil – March 3, 2013

There’s more to the film than that. The French considered the print a National Treasure in spite of the fact that it wasn’t in French.

The likes of which were not attempted again in feature film until Gibson decided to do one entirely in dead languages.

And yes, deciding to put one’s name at the lead of a horror film made entirely in an artificial language was a very gutsy move for an actor especially given the prejudice against such genre (horror) in the industry at the time.

#597. Jack – March 3, 2013

And remember The Academy notoriously takes decades to right the wrongs of the prevailing prejudices of the times against art and artists. Given what happened to Chaplin (He didn’t get his Honorary Award until 1972) in that respect, I’m surprised Phil invoked him.

627. Trekkiegal63 - March 4, 2013

#625 Phil:

While I agree, wholeheartedly, with the sentiment behind your post (this site needs a full-time moderator rather desperately) and was a bit shocked to come back from a weekend away to find the state this thread had devolved to, I feel that changing the subject without sarcasm, or poking fun at an opposing perspective would probably be a bit more helpful towards creating a more friendly atmosphere here .

There is a difference, all, between disagreeing with a perspective/theory/belief/opinion and attacking a person, or belittling them for holding said differing perspective/theory/belief/opinion. And the pack mentality, where a group of you work together to gang up on anyone who opposes your perspective/theory/belief/opinion, only serves to aggravate this cesspool of animosity, culminating in the affairs that unfolded here over the weekend. While I don’t agree with the methods the identity thief used and indeed hope they are found and/or that someone reported this to the site owners, after my own experiences in this thread I can certainly understand why this person may have grown to feel a bit resentful of the current atmosphere on this website.

The human brain processes new information by comparing it to previous memories. Therefore no two people, even identical twins, are going to think alike because no one shares the exact same set of memories.

A girl who was 19 in 1982, away for her first year of college, a little bit homesick, is going to draw different feelings from watching the Wrath of Khan for the first time… particularly if she had been watching Star Trek since the age of three and Star Trek had been pretty much the ONLY show her father, mother, brother and herself ever agreed on (well, Star Trek and M.A.S.H.) and watching it gave her feelings of home, safety and much needed familiarity.

To that girl, tWoK symbolizes the cusp of adulthood, both the freedom of being on her own for the first time, and the frightening intimidation of it. And everytime she puts it in, it takes her back to 19, sitting in a darkened theater on a date, watching through water-filled eyes as a beloved character she had grown-up with sacrificed himself, and the other character she loved gave this single expression that seared itself into her brain, an expression that said his world had just fallen out from beneath him. It was that expression, moreso even then the death scene itself, that spoke to her, because while few in this world still living know what dying feels like, almost everyone knows what it is like to be the one left behind, to be the one losing a loved one.

To her the movie holds meaning, as do the actors whose work evoked that meaning within her. Disagree all you want, but realize that your thoughts and feelings on the matter are coming from a different place. And that no one perspective is more valid than the other.

628. MJ - March 4, 2013


Scrooge McDuck,

How am I suppose to know I I have personally been upsetting for years, apparently, you if you haven’t posted since 2009?

Nevertheless, I apologize for upsetting you.


Thanks Jack! However, if people can just get off their chests are their complaints against me here and now, perhaps the troublemakers will then be pacified that I have eaten my share of crow, and all of us can move on here with less crap from people stealing our names and using sock-puppets.

So I’d like to urge anyone else who I have upset to speak up no and get if off your chests?

629. Phil - March 4, 2013

@626. At times, there is no explaining the French. I’m not invoking anyone, the general understanding is that Shatner doesn’t deserve the award, and the resume speaks to that effect. Sorry, but the burden of proof falls on those who want to see him honored. Dredging up an awful film in a dead fake language doesn’t prove squat.

Hey, I got the petition going for you…it’s the least I could do… :-)

630. MJ - March 4, 2013



Wow, I was 19 as well when TWOK came out in 1982. I agree with your comments on that great movie. Well said!

631. Son of Jello - March 4, 2013

I don’t think shatner deserves an Academy Award (I think the awards are just a bunch of glorified rich people blowing bubbles up each others asses)but I think he needs to be recognised as an example of a hard working actor. After ST (TV) he was driving around the countryside sleeping in his car with his dog doing dinner theatre. This kind of commitment to a profession and making what you have work is a good example to anyone that wants to work in any industry.
And not taking yourself to seriously (like nimoy) is endearing to people but it also makes him look a bit stupid sometimes. I think he has created a good balance between the two. He obviously loves what he does and makes that work, not something that many people can succeed at over an entire working lifetime.

632. Phil - March 4, 2013

@627. I’ve no issue with how WOK spoke to you – I tend to feel the same way about The Green Mile and The Shawshank Redemption. On the other hand, if I’m going to stand up and say that Tim Robbins and Tom Hanks deserve honorary awards I need to support that arguement. As I can’t, it’s not unreasonable to expect some push back. I would not take it personally, but if the reaction to the suggestion was overly negative, I’d have to conclude there isn’t much support for it. There are no wrongs to right here, Shatner has been recognized within the medium he is most comfortable with – television. The man wrote a few books, I don’t see anyone suggesting he should have won a Nobel Prize for Literature, because he’s kept busy…or the selection process is subjective.

633. Phil - March 4, 2013

@635. Can you say Emmy?

634. Disinvited - March 4, 2013

#629. Phil – March 4, 2013

No, the general understanding is that Shatner has detractors and supporters, and of the detractors some will always find him wanting and no sacrifice the man could ever do will ever rectify it – be it blowing his ear out filming the series, fighting fires on the set of ST III, humanitarian work, etc.

And that’s fine, he’s no saint, but facts are he contributed and continues to contribute something to the world that others find of value and is successful even in what conventional wisdom holds should be his dotage because of that.

His art does float your boat? That’s fine. Such is the nature of the beast.
But how bad could it possibly have been if it didn’t shake your taste for STAR TREK on film?

635. Anthony Thompson - March 4, 2013

What? People are still talking about this a week later???

636. Phil - March 4, 2013

@634. continues to contribute something to the world…Betty White, by any chance? Kirk Douglas? Micky Rooney?

You keep trying to make your point by distracing from the question – why Shatner, when there are numerous other celebrities with comperable resumes who will never be considered?

I’m done. Really. Good luck with the PR campaign, and let us know when you actually can answer the question.

637. Jack - March 4, 2013

624. Lol. You haven’t said it yet, but you will in 23 hours, and I’ll agree.

638. Jack - March 4, 2013

Bergen had been in over 15 movies (mostly shorts) and was at the height of Bergen/McCarthy’s (crazy huge) popularity. Again, it was 75 years ago. They had a category for best dance number. It was a different time.

Sure, Shat could get one. I think it’s almost entirely unlikely. And TWOK means a lot to me too, but I still say we shouldn’t be holding our breaths.

639. Jack - March 4, 2013

“no sacrifice the man could ever do will ever rectify it – be it blowing his ear out filming the series, fighting fires on the set of ST III, humanitarian work, etc.”

Shatner’s neither forgotten nor penniless. He’s everywhere. And good for him. Again, we’re talking about accomplishments — other than the Trek movies — that don’t really focus on film. He’s had movie roles, sure. If you think he deserves an Oscar, fair enough. But the Oscars are a now solely a movie-industry award. A lot has changed since 1938.

I know, I’m repeating myself. I guess I’m saying one can like Shatner just fine, idolize him even, & still think there’s a snowball’s chance on Vulcan that he’ll get an Oscar nod.

What’s wrong with a SAG award? Or more Emmys?

In Journalism school, 15 years ago, we had to write a phony practice obituary and I did one for Shatner. In those 15 years since, he’s done more than some people do in their entire careers. It’s pretty great — especially since he had a long stretch after Trek where there wasn’t much work at all.

640. Phil - March 4, 2013

@638. Prior to radio/TV, Vaudville entertained the masses, and it’s a special skill to be able to improvise night after night. It’s not the only reason, but a lot of talent that rose to prominance in the 50’s learned those skills on the stage. We can’t compare performers from another era to today, for all the reasons previously stated. Just like todays baseball award winners don’t diminsh the efforts or Ruth, Young, Williams or DiMaggio…

641. Jack - March 4, 2013

640. I agree with you…

642. Disinvited - March 4, 2013


“His art does float your boat?” should have been “His art does not float your boat?” but both sentiments are equally valid.

#636. Phil – March 4, 2013

No. you are the one trying to distract by painting Shatner getting an Honorary Award as depriving someone else of it. But there are plenty of years the Academy gives no Honorary Award. Your reasoning does not follow that if Shatner gets one it must be at the expense of someone more deserving.

#640. Phil – March 4, 2013

And Shatner rose on stage Canada as a Shakespearean actor where they have different ideas about supporting the dramatic arts than here in the U.S.

643. Disinvited - March 4, 2013

#639. Jack – March 4, 2013

This probably bears further research but if you’ve already won an Emmy don’t they and the Academy tend to reserve the Honorary Awards for those who haven’t already won?


Here’s something else to add:

Shatner founded and helmed C.O.R.E., a digital special effects company that did work on, SPAWN, BLADE II, and RESIDENT EVIL: APOCALYPSE just to keep the horror theme going, and we all know about the mask.

644. Jack - March 4, 2013

642. And as a Canadian, I disagree about the dramatic arts bit. Now anyway. But yes, Stratford was big back then and launched stage & film careers, like Shatner’s and Plummer’s. Shat ultimately ended up being known mainly for TV.

I’ll stop arguing. Again, I just don’t see why the Oscars are a pinnacle here and why Emmys or a SAG wouldn’t suffice — unless the idea is to award Shat for the Star Trek movies.

645. K-7 - March 4, 2013

#632 “On the other hand, if I’m going to stand up and say that Tim Robbins and Tom Hanks deserve honorary awards I need to support that arguement. As I can’t, it’s not unreasonable to expect some push back. I would not take it personally, but if the reaction to the suggestion was overly negative, I’d have to conclude there isn’t much support for it. There are no wrongs to right here, Shatner has been recognized within the medium he is most comfortable with – television. The man wrote a few books, I don’t see anyone suggesting he should have won a Nobel Prize for Literature, because he’s kept busy…or the selection process is subjective.”

Well said, Phil. That is exactly what the deal is here. Why take it so personally and negative, and be so surprised, when the vast majority of people here don’t see Shatne as being Oscar-worthy.

646. Without freedom of choice there is no creativity. - March 4, 2013

Bill, the way you live life to the fullest at almost 82 years old is awe inspiring along with intelligence, compassion and sense of humor. All the best.

647. K-7 - March 4, 2013

#544 ” I just don’t see why the Oscars are a pinnacle here and why Emmys or a SAG wouldn’t suffice — unless the idea is to award Shat for the Star Trek movies.”

Yes, this is a slam-dunk. When you igornie all the other chatter from these arguments, at the core of it all, Shatner is a TV guy, not a movie guy. Therefore the SAG and Emmys are the awards body that should be addressing his career.

It’s at simple as that, folks. Their is no more need for these “force-fit” arguments that pretend he is a movie star (e.g. like claiming he gave a groundbreaking performance in Nuremberg, when he was really the 5th or 6th actor in the pecking order line for that movie). He is a huge TV star and has had a tremendous career, so give this guy another Emmy and a SAG award, and let’s end this over-long discussion now please.

648. K-7 - March 4, 2013

#646. What does abortion rights have to do with Shatner? Huh???

649. Phil - March 4, 2013

@643. Come on, man, CORE Digital went belly up almost three years ago. Shat was probably an investor, and it’s unfair to hang the problems of the VFX industry on him. If the guy ever rolled up his sleeve and donated blood, I’m sure someone, somewhere is happy about that, but no one is going to pin a medal on him for it. The Canadians gave him an award already, and it’s great that he won.

650. K-7 - March 4, 2013

An interesting commentary from a Canadian website on Shat closing down CORE, which cost 150 people their jobs”

“CORE co-founder William Shatner (yes) exhibited terrible timing in announcing his newest venture, the very day CORE shuttered. Here’s the description (via”

“Amusingly titled, the science fiction-focused site describes itself as ‘a Sci Fi Social Network for those with a passion for the arts’. The site seems to be a combination of a job-hunting network and an entertainment production house, all channelled through a metaphor stretched some way beyond breaking point.”

“The site is aimed at creative people with a range of skill sets, who will be able to become ‘citizens’ of one of six ‘Planets’ that matches their talents – including graphic design, writing, acting, music, games development and film and TV production.”

“Although I’m sure we can chalk this up to an unfortunate coincidence, launching a social networking site that offers a job-hunting network to creative professionals the same day you let go close to 150 of them could be considered a dick move.”

651. Red Shirt Diaries - March 4, 2013

Re: Mark Thompson: “What? People are still talking about this a week later???”

Yes, apparently Shat is a huge movie star who also is a leading pioneer in special effects.

Who knew? ;-)

652. Mongo - March 4, 2013

Mongo now quote a real American hero,
“Cant we all get along”

Mongo thinks Mr King was smart man

653. Mongo - March 4, 2013

Mongo think “You can’t place nice, that you be voted off Island”
Disco Spock Mongo like you but still don’t know why Spock is in a Disco?

654. Jack - March 4, 2013

Interesting to note that Ricardo Montalban and Brock Peters received SAG lifetime acheivement awards.

Another possibility is the Golden Globes’ Cecil B. DeMille for lifetime achiev in entertainment. But, really this is usually awarded for film careers. Impressive list (with age of each winner)…

1952 Cecil B. DeMille 70
1953 Walt Disney 51
1954 Darryl F. Zanuck 51
1955 Jean Hersholt 68
1956 Jack L. Warner 63
1957 Mervyn LeRoy 56
1958 Buddy Adler 48
1959 Maurice Chevalier 70
1960 Bing Crosby 56
1961 Fred Astaire 60
1962 Judy Garland 39
1963 Bob Hope 59
1964 Joseph E. Levine 58
1965 James Stewart 56
1966 John Wayne 58
1967 Charlton Heston 43
1968 Kirk Douglas 51
1969 Gregory Peck 52
1970 Joan Crawford 65
1971 Frank Sinatra 55
1972 Alfred Hitchcock 72
1973 Samuel Goldwyn 90
1974 Bette Davis 65
1975 Hal B. Wallis 76
1976 Not awarded None
1977 Walter Mirisch 55
1978 Red Skelton 64
1979 Lucille Ball 67
1980 Henry Fonda 74
1981 Gene Kelly 68
1982 Sidney Poitier 54
1983 Laurence Olivier 75
1984 Paul Newman 59
1985 Elizabeth Taylor 52
1986 Barbara Stanwyck 78
1987 Anthony Quinn 71
1988 Clint Eastwood 57
1989 Doris Day 64
1990 Audrey Hepburn 60
1991 Jack Lemmon 65
1992 Robert Mitchum 74
1993 Lauren Bacall 68
1994 Robert Redford 57
1995 Sophia Loren 60
1996 Sean Connery 65
1997 Dustin Hoffman 59
1998 Shirley MacLaine 63
1999 Jack Nicholson 61
2000 Barbra Streisand 57
2001 Al Pacino 60
2002 Harrison Ford 59
2003 Gene Hackman 72
2004 Michael Douglas 59
2005 Robin Williams 53
2006 Anthony Hopkins 68
2007 Warren Beatty 69
2008 Not awarded * None
2009 Steven Spielberg 62 *
2010 Martin Scorsese 67
2011 Robert De Niro 67
2012 Morgan Freeman 74
2013 Jodie Foster 50

655. Phil - March 4, 2013

@654. Funny how a number of the names on this list also appear on other achievement lists. I guess one could draw two conclusions – the various bodies who hand out these awards are in collusion, or the criteria for exceptional work isn’t as subjective as some want us to believe.

656. Disinvited - March 4, 2013

#651. Red Shirt Diaries – March 4, 2013

Well, to be clear, Trekkiegal63 and myself were concentrating on the breadth of his film career with respect to such things as opposed the focus most snarks make on his waist.

And an Honorary Award tends to be aimed at things done in one’s past.

FWIW he still seems to be pursuing animation:

#654. Jack – March 4, 2013

Again, I point out he has already won a Golden Globe. But I will admit you are wearing me down. I forgot I’m in the millennium where Television is now often more highly regarded than motion pictures.

657. DiscoSpock - March 4, 2013


This was the inspiration for my name:


658. Disinvited - March 4, 2013

#650. K-7 – March 4, 2013

I didn’t live the firing so I can only speculate. But in my experience with big corporate shut downs, the amicable ones try to put you in a position to aid you in the job search and myouterspace,com sounds like a tool that could be used to that end.

Now if you find evidence that he charged his former employees to use his new site then I’d agree. However, there’d be a lot more Honorary Awards to hand out to others if being one were a detriment to winning

659. DiscoSpock - March 4, 2013

Mongo, you may need to past the link above in a fresh browser window to get it to work. For some reason double-clicking it from the post above is not working for me?

660. Phil - March 4, 2013

His former employees? Shat was not running day to day operations, which is a good thing for him, because just about everything I read about the company has it being horribly mismanaged. MOS (and The Zenoids) seem to be ventures he’s lent his likeness (and cash) to, and not much more. Considering that the animation venture doesn’t seem to be much more then fan fiction at this point, it’s a bit of a stretch to say that Shatner is pursuing it.

661. Red Shirt Diaries - March 4, 2013

“…and finally, for outstanding achievement in wanting to do something cool in animation, the Academy gives this special award to William Shatner.”


662. Disinvited - March 4, 2013

#660. Phil – March 4, 2013

I’ve been trying to find the petition link you said you’ve posted but it’s not showing to me.

I’d ask you to post it again but if wordpress is. dumping it then that would be futile.

Maybe I can dig it out of Goodle cache….

663. Mongo - March 4, 2013

Mongo See picture Disco Spock,
Still don’t understand why you at Disco, but funny picture.

Mongo thank Disco Spock

664. Disinvited - March 4, 2013

#660. Phil – March 4, 2013

Didn’t he major in economics at McGill? I’ve largely assumed his financial success was due to that.

665. Son of Jello - March 4, 2013

659 Right click and open in new tab works OK as well

666. Son of Jello - March 4, 2013

Don’t forget there was an Idea for a while to make Shatner governor general of Canada. Why does the spell checker keep telling me I am spelling shatner incorrectly

667. Mongo - March 4, 2013

Mongo think it funny Son of Jello is post 666

Run everyone

668. Phil - March 4, 2013

@662 Or check 612 or 616….

669. Disinvited - March 4, 2013

However you regard it Shatner’s work in Esperanto presaged the Klingon tongue in Trek films.

670. Disinvited - March 4, 2013

#668. Phil – March 4, 2013

612 shows as a post from Jack and 616 MJ to my browser.

I think you petition post might be scheduled for wordpress termination.

671. Phil - March 4, 2013

Weird. Opened the site in Firefox, refreshed, and I can see 612 and 616…

672. MJ - March 4, 2013

MJ happy Mongo moving on to other topics besides MJ.

MJ thank Mongo.

673. Trekkiegal63 - March 4, 2013

#656 Disinvited:

Well, to be clear, Trekkiegal63 and myself were concentrating on the breadth of his film career with respect to such things as opposed the focus most snarks make on his waist.

Yes, exactly. Thank you, Disinvited, for expressing that so eloquently. (Also, thank you for the tidbit about Shatner’s foray into special effects! I knew he had tried a little of everything but had no idea how far his interest in the production side of things extended. It’s good to know!)

#630 MJ:

Thank you, MJ.

There seems to be quite a few of us who are approaching (or have approached) our 50th this year. At least, I’ve seen other posters here reference it as well. It’s wonderful to know I’m not alone in remembering what it felt like to see TWOK for the first time and the impact it had over Trek fans… feels like it was yesterday, doesn’t it?

Everyone else:

I’m tired of this. And it seems everyone else is getting there, too. Bottom-line, I hold Bill and his contribution to the entertainment industry in the highest respect. I think he has a wonderful work ethic and I find it admirable that he has tried his hand at so many different aspects of the industry. Furthermore his portrayal of Kirk, a character I adore profusely, has moved me for years. There are few characters who have touched me as much, even within the franchise, itself. When even Forbes runs an article entitled “Five Leadership Lessons from Captain Kirk” I think its safe to say that the character is iconic, and a character can only be as good as the actor who gives him life. I would like to see Bill honored for his contributions to entertainment industry. Does it merit an Oscar?Obviously, we feel differently on that, and that hasn’t changed from the beginning of the debate to the last.


Ad hominen abuse is not the way to get others to understand your perspective. In fact, the only thing it accomplishes, is resentment.

The lesson here is not that we disagree, its how we disagree. Hopefully we can avoid a repeat of the events as they unfolded here in the future.

674. Mongo - March 4, 2013

Mongo say MJ you say I go on to other thing.
YOu no like Mongo?

Mongo try to be MJ friend but you lash out and tell do on to other thing.

MJ make Mongo sad

675. Lostrod - March 4, 2013

#673 Trekkiegal63:

Thank you! You summed things up exactly the way I wish I could have expressed things.

Less typing for me :)

BTW – some of us have approached our 60th this year …


676. MJ - March 4, 2013

MJ think Mongo misunderstand MJ recent post.

MJ like Mongo, and appreciate Mongp’s contributions here.

677. Trekkiegal63 - March 4, 2013

#675 Lostrod:

You’re very welcome. It’s great to know that I’m not the only one who feels that way.

And happy 60th, my good sir!

678. Trekkiegal63 - March 4, 2013

I’d like to see if I can try to get this thread back on friendly terms, as well as remind everyone that we’re all Trek fans here and when it comes down to it we all come here for the same reason. As silly as it may seem, I’m going to try the old ‘ice breaker’ route (or, in this case, the ‘tension breaker’ route… those of you with office experience are probably getting a good chuckle right about now, but you have to admit, what works, works ;)). So having said all of that…

What is your favorite Trek film and why?

What is your favorite character and why? (Doesn’t have to be from TOS/ST 2009 if the other ST shows were more your forte)

What drew you into Star Trek?

679. Mongo - March 4, 2013

Mongo Just read paramount returning to television production, adapting films to series

Mongo Wonder if Joint venture of Paramount and CBS will lead to new STar Trek.

Mongo think also read first production will be Beverly Hills Cop co produce by Paramount and Sony to air on CBS Mongo think he likes this.

Eddie Murphy is involved as well.

680. Mongo - March 4, 2013

Here correct link from Mongo to first story

681. randomguy - March 4, 2013

@629. Purely in the interests of correcting errors in your information re: Esperanto.

The language is neither dead nor fake, it is in fact the second most widely known “Constructed International Language” (which linguistic group also technically includes Klingon as there are “fluent” speakers of Klingon in multiple countries).


The first World Congress of Esperanto was organized in France in 1905. Since then congresses have been held in various countries every year with the exception of years in which there were world wars. Although no country has adopted Esperanto officially, Esperanto was recommended by the French Academy of Sciences in 1921 and recognized in 1954 by UNESCO (which later, in 1985, also recommended it to its member states).

In 2007 Esperanto was the 32nd language that adhered to the “Common European Framework of Reference for Languages: Learning, Teaching, Assessment (CEFR)”. Esperanto is currently the language of instruction of the International Academy of Sciences in San Marino. There is evidence that learning Esperanto may provide a superior foundation for learning languages in general, and some primary schools teach it as preparation for learning other foreign languages.

On February 22, 2012, Google Translate added Esperanto as its 64th language. Esperanto is not the official language of any country; however, in February 2013 a petition was created to make Esperanto one of the languages ​​of the European Union.

That is all,

682. Phil - March 4, 2013

About as useful as learning Latin, I guess.

683. Admiral Archer's Prize Beagle - March 4, 2013

My God, Esperanto as a topic is just so boring. By comparison, another weeks of discussing if Shatner should get an Oscar sounds exciting.


684. Mongo - March 4, 2013

Mongo tell story give link no one listen :(

685. randomguy - March 4, 2013

@684. Sorry Mongo, saw link, read story, hope for Trek, sad that probably Beverly Hills Cop, never much like that.

686. Admiral Archer's Prize Beagle - March 4, 2013

Whoever it doing Mongo, don’t you think it is perhaps inappropriate for you to be stealing THX-1138’s creation of the real “Mongo”?

That is probably why so many people are not responding to all of your posts.

The best thing about the original Mongo by THX, was that he rarely posted, which made it a lot more fun, and a bit of an event here.

687. MJ - March 4, 2013

ADM Archer’s PB, I believe this has been the real Mongo posting?

THX 1138, can you please confirm that this is you?

688. Mongo - March 4, 2013

Mongo not inappropriate, Mongo only good natured fun.
Mongo never mean, and Mongo polite.

Mongo is everyone, everyone is Mongo.

Mongo find story that Paramount return to produce TV based on film catalog.
Mongo relate story, Mongo do nothing wrong

But if want, Mongo can have kid brother Pongo relate story instead.

689. Mongo - March 4, 2013

Mongo also correct Only one Mongo post not responded to.

Post that Mongo put link to important story about Paramount.

Mongo like Admiral( name long for Mongo type all), Mongo and Pongo want be friend

690. Disinvited - March 5, 2013

#682. Phil – March 4, 2013


691. Disinvited - March 5, 2013

Weird I wonder what cleaned that yahoo poll link?:

Well maybe this time it’ll fly.

692. Danpaine - March 5, 2013

Nice review of the new video game over at Trekcore, for those of you who are actually interested in Star Trek news…

693. Mongo - March 5, 2013

Mongo prefer that Mongo copy go by Tongo.

694. Jack - March 5, 2013

688. Mongo, was that you way, way above (in the postings, not the sky — although….)? It didn’t sound like you — more like, variously, Tarzan and Yoda.

BTW, Alex Karras wasn’t mentioned in the Oscar In Memoriam bit….

695. Jack - March 5, 2013

678. We’d been pretty friendly for the last quite a few posts — just looking at Shat’s film career without being insulting….

696. Phil - March 5, 2013

@695. The guy has had a long career, obviously he plies his craft well enough to get work. No shame in that, we should all be so lucky….

697. Mad Mann - March 5, 2013

Thanks Mongo.

I hope that Trek gets back on TV. That’s where it belongs and where we can get REAL Star Trek.

698. Mongo - March 5, 2013

Mongo just try to expand words Mongo use.

Expanding Mongo’s education, Tarzan and Yoda are Mongo’s role models.

699. Mongo - March 5, 2013

697 Mongo also want Star Trek back on TV

700. Disinvited - March 5, 2013

#694. Jack – March 5, 2013

And more:

701. THX-1138 - March 5, 2013

Just so that we are clear:

I am the original Mongo. My last post doesn’t seem to be here, but that can be attributed to this sites ancient posting system. It was under the name THX-1138–The REAL Mongo. The fake Mongo can get his own “original” voice.

Mongo won’t be making an appearance here until the movie premiers. It is a sad day indeed when one has to come here and verify that one’s own fake persona has been taken over by an impostor. Oh internet, how I hate thee.

BTW fake Mongo, you aren’t doing it right. You don’t have Mongo’s cadence correct. And you post a lot of junk that, frankly, Mongo just doesn’t care about.

This has to go down as one of the dumbest things I have ever posted here. And that’s saying something.

702. Gene L. Coon was a U. S. Marine. Stand at ease. - March 5, 2013

Didn’t this site used to have a guy who wrote his posts ala Geoffrey Chaucer? They were classic!

703. MJ - March 5, 2013

Enough please with people stealing others’ identities. This theft of “Mongo” is just the latest example of this out of control site.

ANTHONY, IF YOU ARE EVEN SLIGHTLY PAYING ATTENTION HERE, could you please permanently ban the poster who had tried to take over THX-1138’s “Mongo.”

Fake Mongo, you tricked me into apologizing to you and being contrite with you. Shame on you, you moron.

And people wonder why I am not “nicer” here in my posts. Well its because of dickweeds like this.

And of course OREC, Scrooge MdDuck, Son of Jello and Jonboc never complain about these other’s who are making all of this trouble? I get blamed for everything around here, because I am direct and say what I think, instead of hiding behind sockpupeets and stealing others’ identified like this collection of losers like fake Mongo, fake Keachick, etc. etc.


704. DiscoSpock - March 5, 2013

Oh great,

I was conversing with the impostor Mongo as well.

Anthony does need to step in and delete all the little shits like this who are ruining this site.

705. THX-1138 - March 5, 2013

In Soviet Russia Mongo fakes you.

I backed off from the Mongo postings around the same time the site seemed to be running on auto pilot.

To know that people feel bad about interacting with a fake makes me feel badly. I’m sorry.

And seriously, why can’t you just get your own schtick? When I am THX-1138 I am me, just without my real name. When I was Mongo I was trying to tap into something nicer or sweeter or just more agreeable. And I wanted to try to experiment with a form of communication that was stripped to the bare bones, thereby eliminating a lot of useless talk. Much unlike I am doing right now. Plus, I never, ever conversed with Mongo as THX. That would be sock puppeting.

There were others that liked to play characters on the site, the legendary BND chief among them. It was just fun. And it was an attempt at being original. BND’s posts were ribald, poetic, literate, and just plain funny. I was honored to call him a friend. The chat pages on this very site are named in his honor.

To try and copy a pre-existing poster just seems……dumb.

706. Red Shirt Diaries - March 5, 2013

“To try and copy a pre-existing poster just seems……dumb.”

And asinine. And cowardly. And immature.

707. Mongo™ - March 5, 2013

This Mongo never said he was THX Mongo.

Mongo post say as such.

This Mongo do nothing wrong, Mongo™ just point out You sling insults
You sling curse words

Mongo™ just post story that paramount returning to TV, and also story that Michael Giacchino tweeted photos of Orchestra recording into darkness score.

But fine Mongo™ change name, but Mongo™ will still talk same.
was nice when MJ was respectful to Mongo™ last few posts.

and here link to Michael video of first day of recording session of into darkness.
but guess you guys dont like Mongo™

708. Mongo - March 5, 2013

Hiiiisa guyzzz, meesa JarJar™

Meesa new personality of Mongo™

whoosa elsea thinkin that Mussic Mastero Giachinno very nicea to posta moving images, and photos of the recording session.

709. JarJar™ - March 5, 2013

Hiiiisa guyzzz, meesa JarJar™

Meesa new personality of Mongo™

whoosa elsea thinkin that Mussic Mastero Giachinno very nicea to posta moving images, and photos of the recording session

710. Phil - March 5, 2013


711. JarJar™ - March 5, 2013

Whoosa are yousa, Phil to speaky bombad wordsa to JarJar™ when JarJar only speaky storiesa about starsa treky,

Messa moving way from Mongo so besa nicey nice to meesa please

712. Jonboc - March 5, 2013

692. Danpaine. Thanks for that heads up. It sounds like a winner and I’m definitely onboard…the verdict on the new Gorns is still out though, didn’t like the Enterprise CGI
version at all.

and Mongo, or Mongo 2…or jar jar or whoever you are-are..thanks for the Scoring tid-bit…it was short, but he did say “more to come”. kinda disappointed they weren’t wearing the Trek T-shirts this time.

713. Jack - March 5, 2013

It’s amazing how different the cadence is. Mongo’s posts nearly made me tear up a couple of times.

714. MJ - March 5, 2013

@712. What a hypocrite –by giving fake Mongo attention, you are an enabler of the guy stealing THX-1183’s identify.

Maybe I was wrong. Maybe you are behind all of this?

715. Son of Jello - March 5, 2013

I think the posse of MJ have come to the conclusion that Trekmovie is their property. And they are the only voices that can exist here every one new is always descended upon and told that they are this person and that person their a troll etc. This forum is jealousy guarded by the posse and there is no room for having their elderly views disagreed with or there delicate ST feathers ruffled by anyone that does not fit in to their views of St and what can and cant be said. And I honestly believe that the reason that they are so prevalent on this sight is due to the fact that real people don’t take crap like that from others in the big world outside of their basement dwellings.

You are the worst form of ST fandom narrow minded and unwelcoming to anyone who does not fit into your views and opinions. Your comments towards others are small minded at best. If you don’t like what you read to bad. Take a look at your selves Hrs apon Hrs spent on this sight its quite obvious that there is nothing in your life but this forum. When the next news story comes out don’t comment let the sight and other people use it for a while without the MJ and posse’s BS. Of the 700+ post to this story you have read all of them. And that speaks volumes of how empty and unoccupied you are in your life.

I think this site needs more mongo Id be more than happy to come to this site and read an opinion other than the MJ goon squads Old man banter that is dominant here. So MJ and co go outside years apon years of being here with nowhere esle to go and no one else to talk to is just sad.

716. Jack - March 5, 2013

The old ones. Funny, clever, pretty sweet use of language.

717. MJ - March 5, 2013

Not than anyone would care here, but falsely using a Trademark that you don’t have the rights to is a Federal offense with a minimum $100,000 fine, plus you are liable to be sued by the owner of the TM as well.

718. MJ - March 5, 2013


See — Son of Jello blames all this on me, instead of the actual perpetration of the ID theft here. Here is what I said earlier:

“And of course OREC, Scrooge MdDuck, Son of Jello and Jonboc never complain about these other’s who are making all of this trouble? I get blamed for everything around here, because I am direct and say what I think, instead of hiding behind sockpupeets and stealing others’ identified like this collection of losers like fake Mongo, fake Keachick, etc. etc.”

And so, how does Son of Jello respond — he responds with another one of his crazy-long essays as to what an awful person I am.


Where in the hell was Son of Jello been when all the identities have been stolen and when all the sock-puppets are creating mischief? WHERE ARE HIS CRITICISMS THEN???????

719. Son of Jello - March 5, 2013

717 That’s really interesting BS MJ. Are you threatening someone on this site with legal action can you back it up is really any of your concern anyway.

720. James - March 5, 2013

I think MJ, just isnt happy unless he is arguing with someone.
I see nothing wrong with how alternate universe mongo was interacting on here.

And he did post two important links.

furthermore, how is it ok for THX to have two posting accounts on here.
And I just want to point out that THX abbandoned the Mongo name on this very thread, saying he was never going to post with that name again.

Alt use Mongo flat out said more than once he was not the same person.

721. James - March 5, 2013

MJ you do realize that his name was obviously a joke and not actually invoking a trademark.

and I hardly think the name Mongo or the name Jar Jar is trademarked.
now if it was jar jar binks .

But in anycase what does it matter.
figures MJ would get this site back to needless arguing.

722. MJ - March 5, 2013

@719. There are massive federal fines for trademark violations, and Lucas/Disney owns the TM to Jar Jar, not me.

Come on, admit it that you are Jonboc, OREC, fake Mongo and fake Keachick. Many of us suspect if. Just get it off your chest now. The truth will liberate you.

723. MJ - March 5, 2013


Detailed trademark information from the official US
federal trademark database (USPTO)
Word Mark:
See all similar trademarks
Live/Dead Indicator:
Serial Number:
Filing Date:
June 11, 1997
Registration Number:
Registration Date:
April 9, 2002
Graphic representation:
No entry for application number 75307277
International Class:
List of goods and services

724. Son of Jello - March 5, 2013

Basicly MJ I dont give a S$#t who uses what name or who it belongs to and if someone is upsetting you brilliant more please. Go and take a shower MJ go outside and try your crap with a real live person and I think you would last about two seconds. After that time they would be saying F,O, you idiot and mind your own business. It not any of your concern and its not your place to involve yourself with it.

725. James™ - March 5, 2013

I think everyone should put ™ after their names then MJ can threaten to sue them as well

726. Admiral Archer's Prize Beagle - March 5, 2013

James – #720 #721

Are you the imposter Mongo?

727. MJ - March 5, 2013

@725. Like I said, “Not than anyone would care here.”

My you certainly showed up at an interesting time here. ;-)

728. Red Dead Ryan - March 5, 2013

ORAC=Scrooge McDuck=Son of Jello=Fake Mongo=Jar Jar=Jonboc!

“They” all conveniently manage to launch the same attacks against MJ at different times under different “names”.

Yep, our “good friend” Jonboc has been busy tonight with his sock-puppets!

What a clown!


729. Son of Jello - March 5, 2013

MJ you are an empty man with empty arguments that prove nothing but the fact you have absolutely nothing to say and you have to say it now and everyone has to listen. Go outside MJ let us have a break from you for a while its not to much to ask.

730. James - March 5, 2013

except MJ he didnt say JAR JAR Binks
he said Jar Jar

Dude you and I both know his screen name was not trying imply he had the trademark.

if you cant see the joke, than you are pretty slow

731. James - March 5, 2013

Actually MJ $crooge Mcduck was my original posting name, I switched to James back in 09 after you attacked over and over again.
I posted again as $crooge the other day cause I thought your blanket apology was heart felt but alas it wasnt I see.

732. MJ - March 5, 2013

“Basicly MJ I dont give a S$#t who uses what name or who it belongs to and if someone is upsetting you brilliant more please. Go and take a shower MJ go outside and try your crap with a real live person and I think you would last about two seconds. After that time they would be saying F,O, you idiot and mind your own business. It not any of your concern and its not your place to involve yourself with it.”


NICE !!!

The truth here, dude, is you are behaving a level of magnitude more negative than I have ever been here. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I ain’t got nothing on you, dude. I stand in awe of your mean-spiritedness.

733. Red Dead Ryan - March 5, 2013

We’ll have to add “James” to the list of Jonboc’s ever-growing list of secret identities/sock-puppets!

734. James - March 5, 2013

And I will say this MJ, you and your buddies are always the ones who push the buttons here and take the fun away from this site.

You couldn’t just let the peace last these past few days were great
But you just had to ruin it

735. MJ - March 5, 2013

@731. My apology was legit. I thought folks were paying attention to behaving better, and then THX-1138’s identify gets stolen. And then Son of Jello and you go freakshow on me.

What have I done here in these series of posts that offends you so much? I am simply defining people who’s identifies are getting stolen here.

Regarding Son of Jello — do a search on his posts and you will find that 90% of them involve attacking me. That is basically all he does here on — his mission is to constantly harass me. Go do the search, and you will see this is all he does here.

736. Son of Jello - March 5, 2013

728 the reason people turn up and dissapper at different times is due to the fact that they have full and busy lives that need to be attended to unlike you and your puppy like dedication to MJ posse.

737. James - March 5, 2013

I am biting my tounge Red dead I really am
I am not a idenity of Jonboc.

see what I get for saying that I had to change my name I get accused of BS

738. Red Dead Ryan - March 5, 2013

It’s a shame. For awhile here, there were some good conversations going on until an obnoxious poster decided to resort to sock-puppeteering and simultaneously attack MJ at the same time.

Talk about cowardly and dishonorable!

739. James - March 5, 2013

MJ I didnt go all freakshow on you.
and if you really meant that apology you would have not attacked someone who harmlessly posting stories.
but you didnt and you got the villagers all up in arms again,

If you don’t like a poster ignore them, geesh.

this site is not called

740. Mongo - March 5, 2013

Mongo think MJ is a baby

741. MJ - March 5, 2013

To: You Know Who You Are

I have enough of you identity theft morons and your enablers and allies who keep harassing me about complaining about it, hoping I will just shut up and let you make your trouble.

A line must be drawn….HEEEERE !

I am not going anywhere or shutting up about this — DEAL WITH IT!

742. Red Dead Ryan - March 5, 2013


You’re not fooling anyone here, Jackass. You happen to type sentences in the same style as your other identities.

Sheesh, give it up already!

You’ve been busted!


743. Mongo - March 5, 2013

Mongo think Red Dead Ryan worlds biggest coward

744. MJ - March 5, 2013

@739. Sorry you feel that way.

745. Mongo - March 5, 2013

Fine Mongo attack back MJ,
Mongo think MJ is sad sad bald little man, who loves to $uck D!ck

746. James - March 5, 2013

Look MJ, we both are fans of star trek
all of us are, why can’t everyone be allowed to express that love of trek in their own way.

747. THX-1138 - March 5, 2013


Now you have an issue with me. And that’s fine. But I was playing around as Mongo here for quite a few years and it sort of ticks me off to see someone abscond with him. For the record:

I abandoned nothing. And I kept my two screen names separate. I also tried to explain why it was that I started to use Mongo’s voice. I found that I could get my points across more concisely. And as a result I also found that Mongo helped me to not be so argumentative. Do I feel a bit proprietary of an imaginary screen name? Yes. Is it a bit ridiculous? Yes. Am I being disrespectful in asking that someone find a different screen name and voice to use here? No, I don’t believe so. Perhaps you would make the same request if another poster here used the screen name “James” and tried to ape your style of writing.

I like this site in spite of all the bickering. I don’t mind when threads get derailed. And while I am in no way a moderator, I have been posting here for seven years. Can I please just ask for newer posters to come up with their own style and screen names?

Please believe me when I say that having to come on here and talk about all of this makes me feel like a total loser.
Mongo is howling loudly in my head to try and be nice.

748. Son of Jello - March 5, 2013

MJ go and read your last few post you broken waldo. The best thing you can do right now MJ. Is disappear for a couple of weeks and take your puppy and kittens (Red Dead etc) with you. You are far to dominant on this site and I think a few people who use this forum would like to take a break from your ongoing acusations pointless and meaningless comments about whos identity is who and your groups opinion of this person is really this person. MJ you know nothing.

749. MJ - March 5, 2013

@728 ““They” all conveniently manage to launch the same attacks against MJ at different times under different “names”. Yep, our “good friend” Jonboc has been busy tonight with his sock-puppets!”

Jonboc has been so every careful to post mimimally and avoid directly responding to us, with others reinforcing his message instead. It’s take awhile to see through this, but today was the eye opener here.

He is at least one of the troublemakers, I think there may be two of them — I don’t think it is just him.

750. Mongo - March 5, 2013

Mongo think MJ and Red Dead Ryan cant help but be mean

751. Mongo - March 5, 2013

THX I have nothing against you, and can see why another person taking on the mantle of Mongo might annoy you.
But MJ and Red Dead purposely disturbed the peace of the site, by comming at the alternate universe mongo( as i call him) who simply did nothing but post 2 trek related links.

752. Red Dead Ryan - March 5, 2013


Yeah, good point. I think Stunkill has teamed up with Jonboc.

753. MJ - March 5, 2013

What in the heck is a broken waldo? Dude, I love the colorful youth language, but us sad old-time losers need a little help now and then. And I’m too busy conversing with Saruman through my Palantar and implementing his and my Machiavellian strategy to control everyone here on Trekmovie.xom to take the time to look it up.


“MJ you know nothing.”

Cool. I am a huge Hogan’s Heroes fan myself, dude.

754. JameS - March 5, 2013

I am out of here thanks for ruining a fun site again MJ

755. Son of Jello - March 5, 2013

MJ and posse I think you need to come to terms with the fact that its not just one person using the a different name. The truth is there are quite a few people that think your group are a little toolish in your behaviour. And a nice break in the real world would help you get some perspective. But alas I think MJ and co are going to stay and continue to jamb their. Intellectual vacume of opinions down other peoples throat.

sad little bald man Love it (apparently he has a beard and is an expert at grooming it, It was in one of his post that was highly critical of the current kirks appearence at the Acad awards)

756. JameS - March 5, 2013

Anthony please perm ban me so I wont be tempted to post on here anymore.

I like the stories but as long as MJ and his lover Red Dead is here I don’t want to be tempted to comment

757. MJ - March 5, 2013

@751. Ah, its OK to steal someone’s identity here if the purpose is for the near-religious cause for of harassing me.

Heaven forbid your response would be:

“THX-1138. Sorry about that. I will use another name.”

Sheesh, if I was 10% as important as some of you make me out to be, I’d be a CEO or a Senator or something.

LOL. You people really need to get out more.

758. MJ - March 5, 2013

Anthony, if you think stealing identities and sock-puppeting are no big deal, and that good people should not stand against that, then please permaban me immediately as well.

759. MJ - March 5, 2013

“sad little bald man”


760. MJ - March 5, 2013

Red Dead Ryan.

Did you notice in the last two posts, that all of a sudden, “James” became “JameS” ?

The sockpuppet fest here is going so fast for these couple of troublemakers that they are making typos now in their name thefts.

Jonboc. dude, lay off the Caps Lock. LOL

761. James - March 5, 2013

MJ I accidenty hit an S and I am not sure how i can be stealing my own name but with anyluck my name will be banned soon anyways.
cause with people like you i don’t want to talk here anymore though I am sure after I am gone you will continue to spread lies about me

762. Admiral Archer's Prize Beagle - March 5, 2013

Red Dead Ryan, MJ

I have been sitting here in awe of this very entertaining argument, and I must confess that the return of imposter Mongo, ignoring THX-1138’s wishes, combined with the obviously not innocent error of James going to JameS, kind of nails it for me. You guys are right on this. Keep up the fight!

763. Son of Jello - March 5, 2013

MJ your not Important its your self importance to this site that is being referred to

764. MJ - March 5, 2013

@761 Twice in a row, dude? Twice if a fracking row?

Come on? Fess up?

765. MJ - March 5, 2013

@763. Sounds just like a lot of CEO’s and Senators. ;-)

766. James - March 5, 2013

MJ so now your following my suit and asking to be banned .

I have a better Idea why don’t you just allow us all to say and think what we want without saying were wrong or slinging mud.

767. MJ - March 5, 2013

“I have been sitting here in awe of this very entertaining argument, and I must confess that the return of imposter Mongo, ignoring THX-1138′s wishes, combined with the obviously not innocent error of James going to JameS, kind of nails it for me. You guys are right on this. Keep up the fight!”

THANKS !!!!!

768. Mongo - March 5, 2013

Mongo say sorry THX, Not intend to disapoint THX
Mongo give back Mongo crown and mask back now.
Mongo go stand in corner.

769. Mongo (james) - March 5, 2013

Mongo say sorry THX, Not intend to disapoint THX
Mongo give back Mongo crown and mask back now.
James go stand in corner now waiting to be perma banned

770. Son of Jello - March 5, 2013

761 MJ loves to jump to conclusion and then ride them like a train. He lacks the ability to take a calm level headed view of what is happening and what people are saying. The secret is to use frases and words that he is going to react to and then watch him make a fool of himself by going for a ride on an irrelevant part of what was said. Poor MJ cant manage the more than his own opinion on any subject.

771. MJ - March 5, 2013

@766. Again, my problem was the identity theft thing. You made fun of it and didn’t think it was important. Poor THX-1138, who has been a great guy posting here for five years, didn’t want others to steal it.

I support him. It’s that simple. The identify thefts and the sock-puppeting are way out of control here.

You are making this out like I have some issues with you. I don’t, so long as you are a legit poster. Maybe you did make a mistake with that “S”?

772. James - March 5, 2013

Just want to point out that MJ and Red Dead as the self appointed defacto rulers of the comments forum makes these forums a horrible place.

and MJ and Red Dead are the ones who really should leave the site.
I gaurentee you that things wouldnt be like this if those two were not here.

But since they aren’t again I ask to be perm banned so i wont be tempted to comment.

773. James - March 5, 2013

OK MJ I will try this again
go ahead and ignore my post 772, if you legitimately mean what you say in post 771 then lets begin again.


774. Son of Jello - March 5, 2013

But then again MJ was educated by a television so when you talk to him you have to realise that during the conversation MJs brain takes a commercial break and misses a lot of what is said.

775. MJ - March 5, 2013

@770. I have to ride a train, because I am too old and feeble to drive these days. Plus, spending time on the train gives me more time to plan my evil takeover plan for

Tomorrow on the train, I am going to spend some time trying to ask some of the kids on the train what a broken waldo is.

Plus, my toupee stays on better on a train ride versus an automobile ride.

776. MJ - March 5, 2013

@774. Good point. Fortunately, there is a tv on my train, so I have plenty of commercials to watch.

777. James - March 5, 2013

But just remembers it goes both ways, you have to make a real effort not to criticize what others say or think

778. Son of Jello - March 5, 2013

Talking to kids on trains creeeepy

779. James - March 5, 2013

Of course it would also help if the site would post some of the other stories that have developed as of late.

Like Giachino announcing and posting pics that the scoreing sessions for into darkness have begun.

780. MJ - March 5, 2013

@773. I agree — truce, James. I meant my apology originally, and I completely retract my post where I thought you were a sock-puppet.

Dude, realistically, I can see how I come across here to you — very aggressive. I apologize as well for my in-your-face approach.

But please admit to me that you see the others attacking me here now as not much better in their negative approach to discourse with you? Can you see that?

781. MJ - March 5, 2013

@778 LOL

You have a point there!

782. James - March 5, 2013

And I will go one step further.

THX, MJ, Red Dead Ryan, Disco Spock, K-7 Archers begal, SOn of Jello, and anyone else if you feel my posts (please note I am only taking claim of my posts as alternate universe Mongo – a good number of other people were also using the mongo name that one night as well-
were offensive to them than you have my sincere apology.

Fresh start

783. MJ - March 5, 2013

@782. Thanks!

784. James - March 5, 2013

and please note my alternate universe mongo posts were the ones that were not mean spirted, they were the ones posting the paramount and giachino links and the one asking why spock was in a disco and why mj no like mongo. any others were someone else/

I see now that even though my posts were meant to be good natured, others it encouraged others to also post on that name but be not so nice.

SO again THX i am sorry as well MJ Red and Disco

785. MJ - March 5, 2013

In the spirit of all of this, if Son of Jello was willing to join me in offering apologies to each other and the desire for a fresh start, I would certainly be willing to do that?

786. Son of Jello - March 5, 2013

MJ your behavior is such an odd pattern to see unfold in these forums you go from Attacking to criticism to shouting (CAPITALS) to a kind of apology to sheepish and then pretending nothing happened. It the same in each post. You are very predictable, This is why you need to take a break you need some perspective.

787. James - March 5, 2013

MJ i have just one favor

If other posters stir up stuff don’t automaticly clump people like me or others as actually being the ones posting.

If I say I am only going to post as james, than thats who I am.

part of the problem on here is everyone who has a differnt point of view is automaticly seen as being a clone of whoever stunkill was/is

788. MJ - March 5, 2013

@787 (Dreamliner). Agreed!

789. James - March 5, 2013

Son of jello
let it be he is making an effort and I appreciate that.

790. James - March 5, 2013

Red Dead that appology was equally givento you and Disco Spock as well

791. MJ - March 5, 2013

@786. I guess that would be a “no” then.

Well, anyway, I apologize to you for anything I have said that may have personally offended you.

No need to respond to this.

792. Son of Jello - March 5, 2013

MJ Sorry MJ I was writing my last post and then checked my emails and did not see what you had posted. Yea OK you also have to accept that I am only posting under one name. If you can do that that would be great

793. Admiral Archer's Prize Beagle - March 5, 2013

Jello,you may not realize it, but you come across just as angry and bullying as MJ. Seriously, come back tomorrow after you have slept, and read your posts again. You and MJ come across like no-holes-barred fighting brothers. just saying…

794. THX-1138 - March 5, 2013

I accept the apology, James. And I will endeavor to not be such a jerk when I disagree with someone.

Truth be told, though, I sometimes enjoy the fights. In the end, it was all we had left.

795. MJ - March 5, 2013

@792. Fair enough — I believe you are posting under one name. One request for you then as well — please acknowledge that you believe me when I say that I have a full head of hair? True, I have some gray, but still mainly dark brown. :-)

Let’s move on at start over, dude. I’ll try to turn over a new leaf here, and let’s both try to be more civil towards each other.

796. Son of Jello - March 5, 2013

793 I read MJ apology to me after I had posted 786 and checked my emails. Then came back and thought oooops that dosen’t look good. Sometimes on this post timing makes a difference. If you can appreciate that I had not seen MJ post 785 then You may appreciate I would not have posted what I posted in 786.

797. Son of Jello - March 5, 2013

795 fair enough but I was looking foward to using the term “bullitt head” (my favorite line from romancing the stone)

798. Admiral Archer's Prize Beagle - March 5, 2013

Jello, got it. Same thing happened to me with your post 792 — I had not seen that yet when I posted at 793. Yea, timing is everything here. No problem.

799. MJ - March 5, 2013

@797. LOL Maybe in 10 years Silver Bullet will fit me.

800. MJ - March 5, 2013

Now comes the problem of what to talk about given know news for weeks here except some comic stuff?

I thought I heard from Orci or JJ back in December that we would be getting a full trailer in March?

801. MJ - March 5, 2013

Just found this


As we get closer to the theatrical release of Star Trek Into Darkness, the marketing campaign should be amping up sooner rather than later. It has previously been stated that a second trailer for the J.J. Abrams-directed sequel will premiere early this year (namely February/March), and the latest trailer classification seems to confirm this report. Via Alberta Film Ratings, the second trailer for Star Trek Into Darkness has been classified. However, the trailer noticeably has a brief running time of one minute and ten seconds, which is very unusual for a second theatrical trailer. Though, this is a similar situation to when the same site classified the first teaser trailer, which ended up being an announcement teaser for the full trailer (which arrived shortly afterwards). Could Paramount be going the same marketing route for this trailer?

Also, there’s the question of which movie the trailer will be attached to. The most obvious choice would be fellow Paramount 3D sequel G.I. Joe: Retaliation, which bows March 29th. Another plausible selection would be Disney’s Oz: The Great And Powerful, which debuts March 8th. Stay tuned to CBM for more news as we have it.

802. Son of Jello - March 5, 2013

Its early afternoon here and a sunny day Im going to go and sit in the shade in my hammock in the garden. See you if and when there is some new news

803. James - March 5, 2013

Hopefully there will be a new trailer soon we are now 70 or so days out from release, we should definately be seeing a new trailer now

And is just me or has Boborci gone radio silent as of late

804. James - March 5, 2013

Disney gave us a new Iron Man preview today, come on JJ give us a new trek one

805. The one and only Azrael - March 5, 2013

Hi, some of you know me, a few of you might even like me, and I am sure a least a couple of you can’t stand me. I am not here to start any fights, but I have an experience I would like to share, that troubles me.

When I used to post here I would, fairly often, get into days long arguments with various other posters here. Arguments that served no real purpose, about which episodes were good, animated vs live action, James Kirk saying “burn in hell” on a web series, and so many more unimportant things.

I eventually found that the pointless and needless anger at other people here was hurting my desire to watch Star Trek, after all why would I want to watch an episode that I just spent an hour arguing with MJ about (not picking on you dude, just an example, I fought with pretty much everyone at least once), or try to sit down for one of my favorite Voyager arcs when I have just read 5000+ words tearing down the characters and events I like on the show.

I ultimately came to the decision that I had to completely stop caring about whether or not any other Trek fans agreed with me, block you all out, and just enjoy Trek. I have continued to read the site’s articles, and even skimming the posts when the comments get a few hundred posts long, just to see what is so interesting, so I have continued to see at least some of the arguing and animosity going around here.

I guess my only point is that I think it is a bit sad that people who are so passionate about Trek seem (IMHO only, just speaking for myself) to completely miss some of its most important lessons. Really all I have to say is.

“I dare you to do better”

LLAP, wheresoever you fare

806. Roman god Of Trek - March 5, 2013

I want to live on a Island made out of sugar.

807. Lostrod - March 5, 2013

Well, this discussion continues to spiral downward …

808. Red Dead Ryan - March 5, 2013

Okay guys, I agree to a truce!

Shame we all start fighting after a week or two without any news.

Speaking of news,


809. DiscoSpock - March 5, 2013

Just when I thought we might have peace here for a bit….

No offense mean to anyone, but It seems like just went everybody apologizes and agrees to try to behave better and get along, Azrael and Lostrod show up and bring up the same negativity again?

I realize that this is not their intention, but for once, since we have peace now, could folks just shut the heck up about bringing up negative things or why this site sucks, blah, blah, blah, blah. If folks who didn’t have anything nice to say, would just shut up, this would be a lot better site.

Azrael and Lostrod, instead of rehashing all of this, why not start a new topic instead? I think we all could do with less lectures and more positive posts from you and others.

PS: James, thanks for that apology. I apologize as well for getting carried away in some of my posts. Peace!

810. Destruct Sequence 0-0-0- destruct 0 - March 5, 2013

He is black on the left side I am black on the right…

811. James - March 5, 2013

Thank you Disco Spock.
and I agree with your post 100 percent.
Here is to a lasting peace on the Trekmovie forums.

812. Roman God of Trek - March 5, 2013

How Now Brown Cow

813. Lostrod - March 5, 2013

#809 DiscoSpock:

“No offense mean to anyone, but It seems like just went everybody apologizes and agrees to try to behave better and get along, Azrael and Lostrod show up and bring up the same negativity again?”

No offense taken. :)

However, to be fair, I didn’t just “show up”. Been on this site since the beginning and check back several times a day to check for news. Not everyone can post dozens or more times for every article here.

By spiralling down, I meant the obvious – a news story that probably has more posts about personalities of the posters/imposters, followed by a lot of apologies. In other words we went down from talking about ST to talking about each other.

I’m an optimist. At some point we’ll get back on track. Fingers crossed.


814. Roman God of Trek - March 5, 2013

Imagine a place created all around family

815. James - March 5, 2013

I was just looking at my collection of posters from Trek 09
its ashame that by this time in 09, we had numerous teaser and character posters and the main theatrical one sheet.
but with into darkness we have one lone poster and here we are just 70 days out

816. Roman God Of Trek - March 5, 2013

There is a planet called Babylandia.
Its filled with babies, Babies of all kinds.
And when the time is Right there is a space Launch.

817. James - March 6, 2013

Giacchino posted another video of the Hollywood Studio Orchestra members arriving for first day of the scoring sessions.

here is hoping he posts one of them playing a piece of Trek music but most likely not.

818. K-7 - March 6, 2013

James, unfortunately, I suspect part of the problem is that JJ has already largely moved on to working with Disney on the SW movie. I am sure he is still monitoring final stuff on STID, but I imagine the movie is pretty much done at this point. His out-of-sight, out-of-mind status with the new SW movie is probably effecting us not hearing much right now.

819. MJ - March 6, 2013

K-7, James,

I don’t want to sound paranoid, but James earlier comment about Orci not having posted in a long time may fit into K-7’s comment above. Perhaps Orci has been brought on by JJ to support him on the new Trek movie, and for now, this had not been make public yet? That could explain Orci’s long unexplained absence here?

820. K-7 - March 6, 2013

Jeez, I just read on Collider that they have signed Fischer, and are working on Hamill for the new SW movies.

Man, I hope JJ puts those two on major diets. They just wouldn’t film well right now.

I was really hoping they would recast the parts and continue right after Ep 6. Unfortunately, looks like old jedis handing a baton off to young ones. When has that every worked in TV or media?

821. James - March 6, 2013

When George went to Hamil and Fisher last summer and asked if they would be interested in returning.
They were told if not interested, the characters would be written out and not recast.

“George [Lucas] wanted to know whether we’d be interested. He did say that if we didn’t want to do it, they wouldn’t cast another actor in our parts—they would write us out. …”

822. James - March 6, 2013

Here is the intereview where carrie confirms she back for Episode VII
Note there is a current 2013 photo of her in the article to.

K-7 you might be pleasantly surprised me thinks

823. James - March 6, 2013

You got to love her sense of humor which is brimming over in that interview.

824. Disinvited - March 6, 2013

Looks like transporter tech might be more possible than was previously thought:

And a documentary dedicated to the first Green Girl:

825. James - March 6, 2013

After Saturdays clone wars season finale I have to say I would love to see an Adult Ahsoka Tano involved in episode VII.
wouldnt be to far of a stretch that after the empires destruction, Ahsoka show up and help Luke and Leia rebuild the Jedi Order.
And since we Dont know how fast her species ages physically she could still be aged to look mid 20s to 30s physically

826. K-7 - March 6, 2013

Well I will hold off passing judgement then — that is a nice photo, and much better than one shot last fall.

Still, can anyone answer my question for me in terms of the SW E7 concept: when has the “passing the baton to a new generation” where parents give way to their kids ever worked well in a movie franchise?

827. James - March 6, 2013

No there probably arent but, its pretty much been a given since ROTJ came out that if the sequel trilogy ever came to pass, that it would about 20-30 years following and focus on the offspring.

Going back and looking at interviews around the time that Jedi came out
Hamil himself even said that George had said when they got around to sequels that he would be in the Obi Wan Sage Mentor role.

Even though George for years claimed he never said that star wars a 9 chapter saga,even when there were recorded interviews by him stating it was a 9 part epic. lol

And yeah she has turned her self around in the last few months, though I am sure with her (how to put it respectfully) Mental Health issues, some weeks are harder than others. But a decent sized role in the sequel trilogy might just be whats best for her.

828. Disinvited - March 6, 2013

#826. K-7 – March 6, 2013

En masse, no. But in the first SW ever made and the 2009 Trek even though the fathers were absent wouldn’t you say they were pretty much about the sons filling their father’s shoes?

829. Jack - March 6, 2013

Wow. This got a little crazy. Like when the founders infiltrated Starfleet and everybody started accusing everybody else… or something…

Or when fakes stated dressing up as batman but missed the point of what he actually does…

I kinda wish people would email the site’s admins (who I presume can see IP addresses) and let ’em know this is going on — instead of the amateur detective work (which is correct occasionally, but still) and all the “j’accuse!” Most of us here have been accused of being stunkill at this point.

And as for stuff like “AHA, this isn’t really Bob, because he never used a capital!” — you guys know that the site no longer saves posting info — and on an iPhone it’s pretty easy to accidentally capitalize (or to make typos)….

830. Mark Lynch - March 6, 2013

I hope that it will not be too long until we have some form of permanent sign-up/registration process after which you are then allowed to post.

A previous poster mentioned “disqus” for wordpress, which integrates with an existing WP site and gives this kind of (IMO, required) security. So that you know if “Mark Lynch” is posting then it is indeed, Mark Lynch!

Mind you, I can’t understand why anyone would want to waste their time pretending to be another user anyway…

831. Disinvited - March 6, 2013


832. Jack - March 6, 2013

By the way, I was talking about the original Mongo earlier — always liked the guy, even when he called me a complainer for being irked by folks who were predicting doom and financial & critical failure for trek 09 and STID because of JJ’s secrecy. Be annoyed by the secrecy sure — but I got/get annoyed by the conclusion “this movie will suck / Jar Jar Abrams will destroy Trek”

See, I have baggage too. Still like Mongo, though.

833. Phil - March 6, 2013

@831. Yep, 70 likes in three years. Momentum is building ….ever…….so………….slowly.

834. MJ - March 6, 2013

@831 @833.

At that rate of support, the numbers will reach high enough by the middle of 23rd century, that the Academy will have to finally make this award…and then, the real Captain Kirk will be able to posthumously accept the award for Shat.


835. Trekkiegal63 - March 6, 2013

The essential lesson that has been spoken about through the ages and to the point of cliché is because it’s true — living in the moment is the only way and you and try do that, talk to yourself, other people talk to you, you hear things and you’re reminded you can’t do anything about the past and you don’t know what the future is and you can just affect what is happening right at this very moment. That’s a basic truth. The fact that death is right around the corner for all of us; the difference of between when death comes to me and when it comes to you if we were to relate it to age is miniscule in the fact that 10 years goes by before you know it. Live your life and be well.

– William Shattner, from this recent interview, here:

836. Jack - March 6, 2013

835. Indeed.

837. Jack - March 6, 2013

Okay — so I’ve always defended Anthony et al on here — they’re busy, they have real lives, there’s still months to go…

That said, I kind of wish things like, say the tweet from MG about finishing the STID score (and now recording it) made a quick story here. Sure, they’re on the twitter feed — fair enough.

Wow, I totally missed the point of Shat’s quote, didn’t I?

838. Phil - March 6, 2013

@834. The on-line petition still only has one signature, too. Figured there would be at least three by now.

839. Trekkiegal63 - March 6, 2013

Also, for those of you who professed the same love for “The Wrath of Khan” that I carry in my heart, here is an excellent tribute article to script writer Jack B. Sowards:

Excerpt: The film’s producers were ready to throw in the towel. They’d tried everything to interest Nimoy, but it was to no avail. The would have to make the next Star Trek movie without one of its two most iconic characters, Mr. Spock. Okay, that’s it. Suck it in and let’s move on.

That’s when Jack Sowards stepped in. He’d been signed as the screenwriter of the film, and told the producers that “I know how to get Leonard to agree.”

840. drumvan - March 6, 2013

Thanks for that great story link tg63!

841. Trekkiegal63 - March 6, 2013

#840 drumvan:

You’re very welcome. I’m glad you enjoyed it. :)

842. Dee - lvs moon' surface - March 6, 2013

Gosh… the real Keachick probably is very happy right now since Into Darkness will be release in NZ in May 9… according to this:

;-) :-)

843. Xplodin_nacelle - March 6, 2013

That was epic!!!

844. MJ - March 6, 2013

Outstanding fine, Trekkiegal63. WELL DONE !!!!

PS: Anthony, it’s really a shame that you are “sleeping at the wheel” again now and for the past few weeks, as you should be reporting this as front-page news here.

845. Trekkiegal63 - March 6, 2013

#844 MJ:

Thanks, MJ, I’m glad you enjoyed it. :)

… if you look in the comments section, the author of the article, Elisberg, goes on to give a little backstory to how the Kobayashi Maru got its name.

846. Phil - March 6, 2013

@839. Always interesting to see some of the backstories. Thanks for sharing…

847. MJ - March 6, 2013

I like Trekkiegal63’s approach here. If were not getting news from Anthony and company, let’s create our own news here.

Just a suggestion — I am NOT trying to be “the moderator” here — why don’t we all try to post a recent/current Trek related news story like this sometime over the next few days?

848. Keachick - March 6, 2013

Yes, Dee. I saw it on another thread here. Oh the wait…but seven days less than before…:)

The only new item of newsworthiness is that apparently Kirk eats pudding in STID… Damon Lindelof and Simon Pegg both called out the whistle-blower on twitter for this admission and then Simon Pegg went on to say something like – when was there a time when Chris Pine isn’t eating pudding? It seems that Pine/Kirk is being hung out to dry by the Pegg again. I hope there’s a good breeze – always makes the drying time quicker…:)

849. Disinvited - March 6, 2013

#838. Phil – March 6, 2013

Your link post doesn’t show up on my laptop or mobile device.

Try putting it in the field the comments provide labelled url. Odd’s are it might still be held in the consideration for deletion by the moderator queue but this wordpress is buggy. It might fly and I’ll be able to get there by clicking on your name.

850. Trekkiegal63 - March 6, 2013

#846 Phil:

No problem. I love backstories, too. It’s one of the reasons I’ve kept my ancient (and probably thoroughly outdated as they were printed in the late 80’s) Star Trek companion books for both TOS and TNG. ;)

#847 MJ:

Great idea!

Here’s a few more, two of them TNG related (I have an RSS feed through google news for Star Trek):

Patrick Stewart sells out a show:,0,5540397.story

Michael Dorn interview:

And moving things back to Kirk, Spock and McCoy… a blogger recalls ST:TMP (I feel I should give a bit of a warning – this article compares the older movies to modern storytelling, not just in ST2009 but on a broad scale, thus may ruffle a few feathers):

851. Trekkiegal63 - March 6, 2013

One more…

Why more than a few of us may be channeling Reg Barclay in a few years:

852. Keachick - March 6, 2013

I just want to know what Pine/Kirk’s favourite pudding is…

853. DiscoSpock - March 6, 2013

Son of Jello Pudding, perhaps?


854. Trekkiegal63 - March 6, 2013

Follow-up thoughts on holodeck article…

Out of all of the technology introduced in Star Trek, I still think I would prefer a replicator over the holodeck as it would mean that my husband and I would no longer have to have the daily debate over who is the more tired, thus gets a free-pass from preparing dinner. ;)

#852 Keachick:

Butterscotch (and yes I’m projecting because I have a hankering for some).

855. DiscoSpock - March 6, 2013

In the Holodeck in TNG, objects actually had mass — I think proto-matter or something was used, combined with replicator technolgy? Whereas, I think the Holodeck in this article just talks about holographic projections only?

856. Disinvited - March 6, 2013

#845. Trekkiegal63 – March 6, 2013

Excellent. It is amazing how much we complement and compliment each other. Nice corroboration of the Nimoy reticence which I saw first hand at a “Trek” convention in the year of the first STAR WARS’ premier.

As for the conclusion that Nimoy had to be on board for Trek films to go forward, I can only note that he declined GENERATIONS and yet they kept making them. Don’t get me wrong. I like Nimoy. Liked him before Trek. Glad he agreed to do it. Glad he went on to direct. But I think his waffling that lead to the Spock resurrection kludge damaged a very excellent script and derailed the course the sequels would have taken without it. Recall, Harv takes credit for that “remember” scene although the way they tell the story it’s as if they had no writer at all for it.

Finally, I’m pretty laid back about things grammar in my own and others postings but you’d think a professional publication like the HUFFINGTON POST could do better editing.

857. Trekkiegal63 - March 6, 2013

#855 DiscoSpock:

Yes, I know, I was being glib. ;)

However, there was a recent article (didn’t post as it was more than a few days ago) on replicator technology, too. Just a sec, let me find it…


858. Gary S - March 6, 2013

I will have you ladies know that the mention of the term “Butterscotch” has made me Crave a “Butterfinger” candy bar ,
And no , I have not had lunch yet !

859. MJ - March 6, 2013

@856. There is something to be said for Nimoy’s discrimination and taste in relation to Star Trek. Shatner just took the paycheck for the inexplicable piss-poor death scene in Star Trek V. You can bet that Nimoy would have said, “hell, no,” and made them rewrite it.

860. MJ - March 6, 2013

meant Star Trek VII, obviously.

861. Phil - March 6, 2013

Pudding?? Rice pudding by any change?

Not that it matters, I’m about halfway through the thirty pounds I need to lose. Tasty stuff is forbidden for a while longer…

862. Disinvited - March 6, 2013

#854. Trekkiegal63 – March 6, 2013

According to MAKE the parts printing printers we have today are causing a Renaissance in kit building. Not what that which you sought but I still believe that it is a good thing and in 20 years hence, if I am still around, I’ll mourn kit building’s second death.

863. MJ - March 6, 2013

Really exciting news about Christopher Nolan’s going space hard scifi in his next big project:

864. Trekkiegal63 - March 6, 2013

#865 Disinvited:

Finally, I’m pretty laid back about things grammar in my own and others postings but you’d think a professional publication like the HUFFINGTON POST could do better editing.

Yes, I noticed that, too. Though I make my fair share of typos (half of the time I’m typing from a tablet) I did feel like printing the article out and taking a red pen to it. ;)

As for Nimoy… I love Spock. He’s right up there with Kirk in my affections. I cannot imagine Star Trek without him. However, I agree. Nimoy’s waffling over returning to the role, for better or for worse, did alter the course of the series. Whether that was a good or bad thing, there is no way to know as we only journeyed the one path. I will say that TWOK is my favorite film, and I enjoyed SFS as well (though UC holds second place in my heart).

865. K-7 - March 6, 2013

#859 / MJ: “There is something to be said for Nimoy’s discrimination and taste in relation to Star Trek. Shatner just took the paycheck for the inexplicable piss-poor death scene (for Kirk) in Star Trek VII. You can bet that Nimoy would have said, “hell, no,” and made them rewrite it.”

Well said!

866. Disinvited - March 6, 2013

#859. MJ – March 6, 2013

You may have a point for the Shatner of the 90’s. But I very much doubt the Shatner of the 70s was doing it for those reasons, and I am certain he was as concerned about a Trek flop derailing his career as Nimoy in that early decade after the series’ cancellation.

Fact is Shatner had the guts to stick with it and put his name out front and first on it. Nimoy didn’t.

””An interesting situation has happened
with the Star Trek movie. A year ago,
Paramount came to me and said,
‘There’s a log jam here; nobody wants
to sign until they see a script, and
there can’t be a script until you guys
sign because we don’t want to commit
to all those millions of dollars without
having some members of the cast.
So with some negotition and a little
faith, I said, ‘Okay, I’ll sign . . . and
they paid me some money for signing
the contract. Now it’s a year later . . .
and they said to me, ‘We’re not going
to renew the contract you signed last
year.’ As far as Paramount is
concerned, it’s an open ballgame now.
I find myself in the position of being
let go! ” – William Shatner, STARLOG, September 1977

There’s also an interview with Ellison advising a screenwriter to kill off Kirk.

867. MJ - March 6, 2013

Each guy has had their pluses and minus’s with Star Trek. I’m just not buying what your selling that Shat was more a great leader and influence on the product than Nimoy. It is probably a wash.

868. Disinvited - March 6, 2013

#867. MJ – March 6, 2013

You are free to disagree. But the way I see it: if Shatner hadn’t signed that 1976 contract on faith and the ones’ after, there would not have been any original series’ cast Trek movies, and I very seriously doubt the hoops that were jumped through to keep Nimoy interested would have even been raised without Shatner metaphorically holding them.

869. MJ - March 6, 2013

Sure, if you pick that one event in isolation, you can make that case.

870. Disinvited - March 6, 2013

Regardless of what you want to label it, it was an example of the Paramount suits’ thinking of the decade.

writing to Paramount. Let them see how
much you want Star Trek back — in
whatever form— under Gene Rodden-
berry’s control. They would go ahead
and do it without him if he didn’t want
to do it the way they wanted it.” – Susan Sackett, STARLOG, No. 8, September 1977

They believed they needed Shatner more than Roddenberry, and they relied on the actor to lead the way and break the logjams.

871. Keachick - March 6, 2013

I believe it is still officially winter in the US and Canada, so hot puddings like steamed plum pudding with custard or bread and butter pudding could be the puddings that a Pine/Kirk might go for at this time. I guess it depends how cold it is.

I have seen one or two pictures of Chris Pine and he is wearing short-sleeved teeshirts and jeans so maybe it is not that cold in LA, California right now. He could go for fruit salad – watermelon, rock melon, various berries etc… with ice cream/yogurt.

Are you feeling hungrier now? I do hope so…:)

Since they are ‘out’ now about the pudding, the film makers/actor may as well tell us what sort of pudding it is…I guess we’ll have to wait until May for that as well…:)

872. Phil - March 6, 2013

Shatner was paid a signing bonus. Nothing wrong with that, but it’s hardly an indicator that Shatner was a driving force in Treks revival.

873. DiscoSpock - March 6, 2013

“Since they are ‘out’ now about the pudding”

A gay pudding?

Sure, why not!

874. Red Dead Ryan - March 6, 2013

Speaking of Christopher Nolan, its been reported that he has been asked by WB to oversee the production of the “Justice League” project (which as we all know, has been stumbling ad nauseum for the past couple of years) and not only that, but Christian Bale may return as Bruce Wayne/Batman!

It all depends on the quality of the script, but with Nolan being producer, and “The Man Of Steel” as a potentially massive hit, “Justice League” might just be something to look forward to.

Apparently WB wants Nolan to oversee the various other DC superhero productions. They obviously want to keep him in-house, which is wise choice on their part.

875. MJ - March 6, 2013

“Shatner was paid a signing bonus. Nothing wrong with that, but it’s hardly an indicator that Shatner was a driving force in Treks revival.”

Shatner certainly never passed up cashing a check to do anything. Nimoy is more discriminating, hence he is taken more seriously and is not regarded sometimes as a buffoon like Shatner has been on some of his gigs.

876. Disinvited - March 6, 2013

#872. Phil – March 6, 2013

As art it is definitely a collaborative effort, but it is more than obvious that he was pivotal in getting Paramount to invest millions in such an undertaking.

And if MJ thinks about it, I think even he’d agree the fact that they went ahead with only his third of the lead trinity in GENERATIONS shows that this was not an isolated passing thought in the Parasuits’ mentality.

877. Phil - March 6, 2013

SoCal has been in the mid 70 – low 80’s (F) for the last couple of weeks. The rest of the country is up to it’s armpits in snow. For all of CA’s issues, weather is rarely one of them…

878. Keachick - March 6, 2013

I have this bit of paper floating about with a quote –

“Fantasy is no good unless the seed it springs from is a truth; a truth about human beings.” Endora Welty.

Now how does talk about pudding end up being about sex (or sexual orientation)? I guess it must be that “all roads do lead to sex…err Rome”…;)

879. Phil - March 6, 2013

@876. I’ve tended to observe that when one needs to point out the obvious (or relevent), it usually isn’t. I’ve not seen anything that suggests that Shatner was more or less involved then Nimoy in pre-production of TMP….

880. Lostrod - March 6, 2013

Since there is another lull in news postings here, I’ll share this thought again.

I created a science fiction newsletter that auto generates itself every day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year.

What it does is automatically pulls in Star Trek and other science fiction news and multimedia together into a tidy online newsletter. So I can browse that and know its updated every day. It sends me an email when the new issue is ready.

It helps feel in the gaps. The latest issue is at:

If you use the subscribe link you’ll receive the email notification when the next is out.

A caveat – since it scans hundreds of news sources, you will likely get some stories in other languages (Brazil seems to be a big source of Star Trek news).

Feel free to check it out and see if it helps with your craving for current Star Trek and Sci Fi news and multimedia.


881. Disinvited - March 6, 2013

#875. MJ – March 6, 2013

“Shatner certainly never passed up cashing a check to do anything.” – MJ

Well, that’s a logical fallacy demonstrated by the fact that in the 70’s Paramount had to ask him to sign, as in he hadn’t already on first offer.


“Temptation keeps beckoning William Shatner but so far he has steadfastly refused to become a millionare. …Shatner says he turned this and the others, down…” – Dick Kleiner, NEA, 1961

882. MJ - March 6, 2013

I think our difference of opinion here is that you are referring to him during teh first half of his career, while I am referring to the 2nd half of his career. Take your link above, and then consider the Priceline arrangement which began in the late 1990’s — this later Shat bears littler resemblance to the more thoughtful early Shat you keep providing info on.

Like the corners of my mind
Misty water-colored memories
Of the way we were”

PS: Anyone clicking on Disinvited’s link above, you need to delete the “s” on “https” to get it to work. Its a cool article.

883. Phil - March 6, 2013

@881. Hey, you pointed out yourself he got paid some advance money to be a cheerleader. The Star Trek project was in development long before Shatner became attached – I’ve no issue giving the man his due, but he doesn’t get credit for stuff he had no part in.

884. DiscoSpock - March 6, 2013


Reading that article of the early Shatner, I am kind of sad that he has been reduced recently to laughable parodies of Captain Kirk and badly drawn old fart characters on sitcoms.

How did it come to this?

885. K-7 - March 6, 2013

I picture Disinvited, holed up at the Library of Congress in DC for the past two weeks on his own dime, desperately researching all the old documents and newspapers he can come up with — to single-handily make the case for that Special Achievement Oscar for Shatner.

Seriously, I do admire Disinvited’s passion for Shatner.

886. I submit to you that your universe is illogical - March 6, 2013

MJ and your uncountable pathetic personalites who talks and plays with himself all day long. You are a write off: serious pyschological problems.
Keep sock puppeting those who disagree with you.

Shatner has done more and will continue to do more for good than you ever will for bad. He has a great life in his old age and you don’t have much.

You ar the true sad Buffoon

887. Keachick - March 6, 2013

Hey, come on, everyone. Stop this nonsense.

William Shatner is fine, OK. Please stop smearing him and one another on this board. Not nice.

Cheer up. Pudding anybody?

888. Disinvited - March 6, 2013

#882. MJ – March 6, 2013

Well, it is the nature of his historic film achievement that I’d like acknowledged with an Honorary Award, that it took place in the early years of his career.

#884. DiscoSpock – March 6, 2013,3172261

“I like to be an idealist, too, and I think I still am, in some ways. But I expect that maturity in any of us comes from that compromise we make between idealism and cynicism.

If you do a TV series it’s got to be for the money, because it is impossible to get quality from it. There never is enough time for rehearsal or for the writer to work on the script.

If you don’t do a series, then there is the waiting between jobs. It doesn’t leave much choice for the actor today.” – William Shatner, 1961

#885. K-7 – March 6, 2013

It’s what he’s been able to achieve that I admire and wish acknowledged. As for the man himself, I tend to be like many describe the characters admiring Khan. I don’t think he’s a saint. But I don’t think that’s necessary for him to reach and move me as an entertainer. And sainthood certainly is absent on the resumes of many who walk away with Academy Awards in their mitts.

889. MJ - March 6, 2013

@888 ““I like to be an idealist, too, and I think I still am, in some ways. But I expect that maturity in any of us comes from that compromise we make between idealism and cynicism.”

Yep, isn’t that true of most of us. Good point, dude!

890. Red Dead Ryan - March 6, 2013

Yeah, I just don’t see Shatner returning to the style of acting he displayed in the first half of his career.

Even though he inserted a bit of his own mannerisms into the character of James T. Kirk during the early days of TOS, he also managed to get inside the character as written and act as James T. Kirk was meant to act. He managed to remain in character throughout the series and first three movies.

It wasn’t until “The Voyage Home” when Shatner began acting like himself instead of Kirk. “The Final Frontier” pushed his ego over the top, and ever since then, Shatner has been parodying himself and hamming it up as Denny Crane and the Priceline Negotiator.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but his current style of acting just doesn’t fit with the current tone of the new movies.

Contrast that with Leonard Nimoy, who managed to maintain the same beat as Spock from TOS, through the TOS movies and TNG episodes and finally, the reboot movie. Obviously Spock didn’t remain exactly as he was during TOS as he matured and mellowed, and became more comfortable as being both human and Vulcan as he aged. Nimoy knew how to convey that with a nice range of nuances, while able to maintain the core of the character.

Shatner couldn’t do that with the older Kirk from “Final Frontier”, “The Undiscovered Country”, and “Generations”. At that point, Shat-Kirk became a punchline.

891. DiscoSpock - March 6, 2013

Red Dead Ryan,

That is about the best summary I have seen on Shatner. And you are right, there is nothing wrong with it — he’s made a hell of a career out of parody and buffoonery. He’s become a comedic genius in making fun of himself and Kirk. Hell, he got an Emmy for it!

892. Disinvited - March 6, 2013

#891. DiscoSpock – March 6, 2013

And a Golden Globe. Some entertainment wonks view that as prerequisite to getting an Academy Award – although the TV/Film lines would have to be blurred (and many think this is so) for this to apply.

893. Red Dead Ryan - March 6, 2013

Shatner even got a Grammy for a spoken-word album almost ten years ago.

So its not like Shatner has been snubbed.

He’s won a lot of awards and has been recognized many times for other things.

894. Admiral Archer's Prize Beagle - March 6, 2013

Hey folks.

We are all making great progress here in being more positive today. Let’s keep it up. One day at at time! And yes James, Rodney King was right!

And great job on ignoring the troublemakers. I know it’s really hard for some of you, but they should be ignored completely as we are doing here right not. So keep showing vigilance and pretend they are not here — out of sight, out of mind!

895. Red Dead Ryan - March 6, 2013

The Golden Globes reward the best in both film and television. Which is different from the Oscars, which recognize the best in film only.

896. Admiral Archer's Prize Beagle - March 6, 2013

894 – correction: “…as we are doing here right now.”

897. MJ - March 6, 2013

RDR, put me down as fully in support of Shat getting one of those Golden Globes.

898. In the Antares Nebula, I Spit my Last Breath at Thee - March 6, 2013

MJ and his clones are without honor and he should be put in a mental institution. Shatner has does more good in one day than MJ will do for anyone in his little, sad and pathetic, meaningless life.

899. James - March 6, 2013

895 Correction Red Dead the Golden Globes reward the movies and television shows that offer the biggest bribe… errr giftbag lol

Anyone in hollywood knows they are the biggest joke award ceremony lol

900. MJ - March 6, 2013

@899. Still James, it would be nice to see Shat get one.

901. Phil - March 6, 2013

If you do a TV series it’s got to be for the money, because it is impossible to get quality from it. There never is enough time for rehearsal or for the writer to work on the script.

If you don’t do a series, then there is the waiting between jobs. It doesn’t leave much choice for the actor today.” – William Shatner, 1961

Bill obviously never saw MASH, Hill Street Blues, BSG, Band of Brothers….

902. Phil - March 6, 2013

Firefly, Twilight Zone, The Mary Tyler Moore Show, The Carol Burnett Show, I Love Lucy…..

903. James - March 6, 2013

886, 898
Lay off on it allready,
We finally have some peace on here, dont go and muck it all up.
Leave him alone.

904. MJ - March 6, 2013

@894. Yep AAPB, I agree completely. Right now, when I see one of the long winded phrase names here, I am just using the fast scroll on my computer — I am not even reading what that guy or guys is/are saying.

Its a new me — trying to be more positive and have more fun here! Life is too short to do otherwise.

905. Phil - March 6, 2013

@908. Hey, it’s shinry, puffs up his ego a bit, and probably is a good companion piece for his Saturn Award.

Under most circumstances I’d close this comment with this observation – it’s a night out, and a free meal. Unclench the fists, folks, in this instance the cigar is just a cigar.

906. DiscoSpock - March 6, 2013

Yea James, we’ve had enough acrimony here lately. I’m going to ignore this “Long Phrase” bastard from here on out as well. It my Frat days, we called this “blackballing,” which means completely ignoring someone to the point where he basically doesn’t exist. Seems to fit here!

Hey Long Phrase, on behalf of everyone here, I hereby blackball you from our community.

907. Keep talking to yourself 887 - 906 - March 6, 2013

898 is not 886

908. James - March 6, 2013

The lack of stories on here almost makes me want to suggest we go off and start our own up to date trek news site.

909. James - March 6, 2013

rather intersting story.

910. Phil - March 6, 2013

Isn’t that blacklist?

Nah, there really isn’t that much to report on. Lets be real here, it’s probably been a year since this site actually proke a story. Paramount or BR kicks out a press release, one of us notices it and comments on it here, and ten minutes later it pops up as a story. Check the time stamps on Trek-Web, they do the same thing. AP seems busy with paying gig’s, can’t fault him for that.

911. K-7 - March 6, 2013

“Long Phrase” That is hilarious! Sounds like a B-level comics version of a bad guy in batman ripoff.

907, 898, 896 — Hi Long Phrase! How’s it hanging out there in toll land?


912. Phil - March 6, 2013

@909. A couple of these have floated out now, and they all seem to relate to “I’ve heard from someone that JJ….”. As these seem to be taking on a life of there own, is it possible for someone to track down the interview where JJ actually said that?

913. Admiral Archer's Prize Beagle - March 6, 2013

All, like I said, please INGORE him/they (i.e. Long Phrase).

He/they crave our attention.

914. Is There Anyone on this Ship, Who Even Remotely, Looks like Satan?" - March 6, 2013

907. You think you are the only one here who thinks MJ and his clones need to be taken down a notch? We are on the same team. I just do this a little better than you, that’s all.

915. Now listen here sweetheart the federation's takin over.... kirk out - March 6, 2013

914: Be my guest Spock. As you probably know, he has his conversations already prepared. They chime in unison. And he sockpuppets anyone that disagrees: to contradict and confuse. To quote John Lennon re these dolts:
‘You think you’re so clever and classless and free but…..’

916. Spock, I do not know too much about these little Tribbles yet, but there is one thing that I have discovered. I like them … better than I like you - March 6, 2013

915 You are not as clever as you think…Red Dead Ryan is it? You know what, I think you are one of Read Dead’s or MJ’s sockpuppets. Trying to mess with everyone here and confuse us all. Your overly dramatic posts certainly make me think you are Ryan.

And besides that, you are an amateur at all of this. You are overly emotional and consistently damage your case by coming across as a adolescent whiner.

If you are legit, you’d do well to follow my lead here.

917. Execute your prime function - March 6, 2013

Lost cause man. keep sockpuppeting.

918. Jim, His brain is Gone! - March 6, 2013

Whatever you say, Ryan.

919. Phil - March 6, 2013

A little SW fun…obviously not an Academy award for editing…

920. Red Dead Ryan - March 6, 2013

Hey a$$hole: whoever the hell you are, I have never sockpuppeteered on this site.

I will say that numbers 914, 915, 916, 918 are from the same bozo stirring up trouble here.

Interesting that they suddenly show up after MJ, DiscoSpock, K-7 and I all agreed to settle things down with James and a couple of others here.

Coincidence? NOPE! I think the sock-puppeteers lulled us into a false sense of calm so that they can launch more of their cowardly and dishonorable attacks against us.

921. K-7 - March 6, 2013

Oh, Oh,

Trouble in troll paradise? LOL

Remember how it went from Alien to Aliens? I think troll-wise, we’ve just from from Long Phrase to Long Phrases. Ha!

I know I am suppose to ignore these guys, but they are just so unintentionally funny that I can’t help myself.

Worst trolls ever! He He :-))

922. Trekkiegal63 - March 6, 2013

Life Lessons from Trek:

To quote the wonderful Shatner, as Kirk: [War] is instinctive. But the instinct can be fought. We’re human beings with the blood of a million savage years on our hands! But we can stop it.

And Kelley, as Bones: Compassion — that’s the one things no machine ever had. Maybe it’s the one thing that keeps men ahead of them.

And Nimoy, as Spock: “It is basic to the Vulcan philosophy, sir. The combination of a number of things to make existence worthwhile..”

923. dmduncan - March 6, 2013

What the hell is all this? Feel like I stumbled into a Trekkie-themed episode of Eureka.

Oh well. Long as I’m here…I’m heading over to Cafe Diem for a Vinspresso.

924. Dave H - March 6, 2013

These trolls are funny. The Beavis and Butthead of trolls!

925. Where's that darned Tantalus Machine? - March 6, 2013

It’s MJ and company as usual folks. The inmates are running the asylum
and next question is why isn’t this commentary closed?

926. MJ - March 6, 2013

“To quote the wonderful Shatner, as Kirk: [War] is instinctive. But the instinct can be fought. We’re human beings with the blood of a million savage years on our hands! But we can stop it.”

I love that quote!

DM, great to have you back. Where have you been?

You and Orci disappeared about the same time a couple of weeks back…that’s mysterious? :-)

927. Pain is of the mind. The mind can be controlled - March 6, 2013

I would estimate that 50% of the people posting here are either MJ or Red Dead Ryan. And I don’t think that this is really DM Duncan posting now either. Look at how MJ immediately responded to him; that is very suspicious. MJ is not successful in ignoring me. I know he is reading this.

928. He heard you, He simply couldn't believe his ears - March 6, 2013

927 is not me.

929. Phil - March 6, 2013

Long Phrases are becoming Short Novels…

930. K-7 - March 6, 2013


Long Phrases = funniest trolls in Internet history!

931. Too much LDS - March 6, 2013

Picture yourself in a boat on a river…..

932. Dave H - March 6, 2013

Competent hard-working trolls everywhere are embarrassed right now. ;-)

933. Disinvited - March 6, 2013

#902. Phil – March 6, 2013

Hey he’s been in a couple of TZs. Of course that’s no proof he ever saw it other than he’s had opportunity, in his waiting periods. And if 1961 Shatner saw MASH, Hill Street Blues, BSG, Band of Brothers, Firefly, and The Mary Tyler Moore Show then we’ve got a whole other topic about him to discuss.

Burnett’s done Shatner but I can’t recall if he’s done her show?

934. Disinvited - March 6, 2013

Finally found the answer as to his graduate skills:

“Don’t be afraid of taking chances, of striking out on paths that are untrod. Don’t be afraid of failing.

Don’t be afraid of making an ass of yourself.

I do it all the time, and look where I got.

It wasn’t long before they discovered two things: that I had no accounting skills whatsoever – my math skills are really bad – and that I was a good actor.

My talents didn’t lie in the field of accounting. My father, who paid for my education, was not amused.

But my talents lay in trying to be funny and entertaining people. Although I didn’t study that, per se – that’s Latin, by the way – I got my education, complete, whole and useful, at McGill.” – William Shatner

He graduated with a bachelor’s of commerce and received an honorary doctorate of Letters at Montreal’s McGill University.

935. dmduncan - March 6, 2013

926. MJ – March 6, 2013

DM, great to have you back. Where have you been?

You and Orci disappeared about the same time a couple of weeks back…that’s mysterious? :-)


Hey, MJ! Been super busy.

@927: Oh that was me alright.

936. Disinvited - March 6, 2013

Maybe it would be best to let the man, himself, speak as to the awarding of lifetime achievement awards:

“One lives many lifetimes in a lifetime. This is just one lifetime award – I expect to be back to get another in a few years.

[Lifetime achievement] does suggest that you accept the award and then drop dead, but I don’t want to be a bother – carting me off stage and all that.” – William Shatner

937. Shilliam Watner (Click Name for Trek Poster) - March 6, 2013

Wow. This site has really gone downhill.

938. Trekkiegal63 - March 6, 2013

#933 Disinvited:

Found these earlier with the intent to post them but then noted the state the thread had delved to between my leaving work and stopping at the store for butterscotch pudding (I did say I had a hankering) and now, thus resulting on my waffling on whether they would make the state of things around here worse or not, but I decided rather then to use them to make any sort of point, I’d simply share them with you, as one fan to another, because I thought you might enjoy them:

“Time” magazine rates William Shatner as one the “Top 10 TV Character Chameleons”:,28804,2093469_2093468_2093461,00.html

and also reflects on a few of his great moments:

939. MJ - March 6, 2013

@938. I agree with all of this. And this all related to his “TV” work, which he excels in.

940. James - March 6, 2013

939 MJ,
Definately think he should be awarded a life time achievement award from SAG

941. Disinvited - March 6, 2013

#939. MJ

Not to be too nit picky but in the second link:

Only 4 of the 10 are from television. Maybe 5 if the AFI Lucas event was televised live.

942. James - March 6, 2013

Here is a link to a story that has 2 new photos from into darkness.
the first one looks like Kirk has blood on his face as he stands toe to toe with Harrison.

The second one is harrison holding a smaller phase pistol looking gun

943. MJ - March 6, 2013

@941. Ah, you are correct. But then, it looks like only 1 was from a movie.

944. James - March 6, 2013

I really hope that now that the movie is opening first in a lot more countries before the US now, that we don’t see a repeat of the ending be spoiled on these forums, like what was done withSKYFALL back in November.

945. Disinvited - March 7, 2013

943. MJ – March 6, 2013

Actually, the rap was from the RomCom FREE ENTERPRISE but that had such a limited theatrical exposure (Somewhere around 9 theaters) that I’ll split the difference with you and call it direct to DVD – but only if you agree that the Awards shows were clearly stage events that got filmed and edited down into, for lack of a better word, “specials” for television air.

946. MJ - March 7, 2013


947. MJ - March 7, 2013


I think we are going to have to not come on this site for 6 days starting the ninth.

Can’t believe that a Trek movie filmed in the U.S. 2 hours from my house will be shown in Germany and other places before here. So much for JJ’s secrecy. What is the point of all of JJ’s secrecy given this???

948. Disinvited - March 7, 2013

#947. MJ – March 7, 2013

I agree and have said as much. Even if it did premier in the US first, this is the internet age. I think you and I are both W coasters. Once the E coasters see it, the secrecy is blown for the other two thirds of the nation and the rest of the world. Not to mention people who could only manage the second show hearing people discuss it exiting the first.

At most, the “secrecy bonus” can only be enjoyed by an elite few who bother to take the extra effort and extra expense to achieve. But aren’t elites precisely the demographic they claim to NOT have aimed this film?

949. Jack - March 7, 2013

941. And only one was from a movie. ;)

950. Jack - March 7, 2013

Those photos aren’t new — the British online press has been reporting them as new all week after one site started it all. Aren’t these just the EW photos? I could be wrong…

951. Jack - March 7, 2013

Oops, two were from movies. Even if the rest weren’t all from TV, how does this further the Shatner Oscar argument?

The honorary Oscars have changed over time — in the early days (of the Oscars and film) they were mostly for stuff from that year (so Mickey Mouse, Snow White, and McCarthy/Bergen [who were in films] got one, so did juvenile performers like Garland, Shirley Tempke and Deanna Durbin. These days, they’re mainly about film.

952. Aurore - March 7, 2013

“BREAKING”:Bryan Burk exibe 38 minutos do filme no Brasil

(The film being Star Trek Into Darkness, of course…and, despite the title as I’m typing this, apparently, it was more like 28 minutes.).

Link if authorized, here:

953. Jack - March 7, 2013

947. Are you really making this about nationalism? This happens all the time. European release dates are often a bit early these days.

954. Aurore - March 7, 2013

Correction @ 952

I am sorry.

The title was correct ; 28 minutes and two scenes…

It was more than 28 minutes.

955. Aurore - March 7, 2013


How is São Paulo, at this time of year?…


956. Curious Cadet - March 7, 2013

@952 Aurore,

I CANNOT BELIEVE trek movie hasn’t posted this. It’s huge!!


The first nine minutes has changed … Kirk gets sent back to the academy, the Enterprise taken away from him, but he is later made first officer of the Enterprise. Spock is transferred to another ship. Harrison saves the girl, Cooke drops the ring in water and it is the catalyst for the explosion in London! Seller is Admiral Marcus! The Enterprise is destroyed and falling to Earth, they must divert it to water in order to save people on land. As well as more subtle details. No hint Harrison is Khan.

957. Aurore - March 7, 2013

“I CANNOT BELIEVE trek movie hasn’t posted this. It’s huge!!”

Someone must be trying to type an article with their phone….on the beach…

What time is it over there, by the way?

958. Red Dead Ryan - March 7, 2013

Okay, confirmation that Khan is not in the movie. Sounds like Benedict Cumberbatch is playing a vengeful Sybok or another brother of Spock’s who disguises himself as human.

Going to go start eating that crow before it all goes bad…….then I will lock myself in the wheelroom on the bridge as I wait for the ship to sink.

959. Jack - March 7, 2013

aaaack — curious cadet, those are huge spoilers, if true! I wish I could unread that. Seriously, next time you post a spoiler that big — please don’t just write SPOILERS before starting the whole darned thing… Christ.

960. Jack - March 7, 2013

PS. Anthony, I apologize for the annoyance at Germany and concern about spoilers — if CC really just ruined the whole damned thing here, I’ll be damned pissed off. I seriously don’t even want to see the damned movie now. Yes, I’m sulking and being a dick — but come on, use your head…

961. Jack - March 7, 2013

960, I meant to apologize to MJ…

962. Phil - March 7, 2013

I found a couple of the spanish language pages, and plugged them into Google translate – I know, it’s not the most accurate translation, but it will give you a decent feel for what is going on. My take, is that these guys are extrapolating a bit more on known information. I would not get to worked up over this, just accept it as part of the ongoing PR campaign. More details will be revealed in the following weeks, so we need to wait to hear from BR or Paramount if this is legit or not…..

963. Red Dead Ryan - March 7, 2013

Yeah, afraid the article reveals the whole plot, basically. We now know who Peter Weller is playing, and have an idea who BC is portraying.

On the one hand, the article gives me a chance to admit I was wrong, but on the other, it kind of spoils too much of my appetite. Kinda makes eating all this crow a bit awkward.

Meanwhile, the bow is underwater, the band is playing “Nearer Thy God To Thee”*, and the stern has risen thirty degrees out of the water.

The hull is starting to fracture between the third and fourth funnels….

*At least that Celine Dion song ain’t being played; that would be cruel and unusual punishment to the Nth degree….

964. Dee - lvs moon surface - March 7, 2013


Okay … another scene that I need to see MUCH:

Kirk/Pine in bed with two feline women or cat women… or whatever… shirtless!

;-) :-)

965. Aurore - March 7, 2013

@958. Red Dead Ryan – March 7, 2013

Who is asking you to eat crow, here?

Don’t be so dramatic. Leave that to others. Like…ME.

And, as has been stated, nothing has been confirmed yet. People are (still) speculating.

….I still think that………Aaaah…you know the rest…


966. Red Dead Ryan - March 7, 2013

The Khan ship has now broken in two. The bow has plunged into the bitter cold sea, falling like a leaf to the bottom.

The stern soon follows, pulling down all the hangers-on to a watery grave. The bow lands fairly intact on the bottom, but the stern smashes into the ocean floor and is splayed open like a disembowled beached whale. Man, it was a long way down!

I don’t know where MJ, K-7, and BB and the other Khan-nites were on the ship. It doesn’t appear any to them made it into the lifeboats.

As for Captain Red Dead Ryan, my body will never be located….

967. Aurore - March 7, 2013

966. Red Dead Ryan – March 7, 2013



Being dramatic you’re doing it… Oh. So. Right.

Please. Go on….

968. Trekkiegal63 - March 7, 2013

#952 Aurore:

Thank you for posting the link. :)

969. Phil - March 7, 2013

@966. I think it was eaten by the sharks….

970. Dee - lvs moon surface - March 7, 2013

#967. Aurore

Apparently Chris Pine is in Paris… and 30 minutes were presented this morning … someone said that in French on twitter!

971. Trekkiegal63 - March 7, 2013

Testing this to see if it works on this site so as not to spoil those who wish to remain unspoiled (i.e. whiting out text that needs to be highlighted to be read)…

I wish to discuss the spoilers

972. Trekkiegal63 - March 7, 2013

Nope, didn’t work. :(

Does anyone know of a way to hide text with WordPress?

973. Red Dead Ryan - March 7, 2013


I would suggest liquid white-out.

Ooops, that’s what they inadvertently use on adult web sites.

Never mind, then.


974. Trekkiegal63 - March 7, 2013

#973 Red Dead Ryan:

Cute. ;)

975. Curious Cadet - March 7, 2013

@964. Dee,
Okay … another scene that I need to see MUCH:
Kirk/Pine in bed with two feline women or cat women… or whatever”

LOL, Google translations are indeed interesting. I do wonder if it is actually “cat women” … Were there such characters in Trek?

It’s interesting in context. It sounds like Kirk has fallen back into some of his old ways … too cocky for his own good, celebrating his defiance of the Prime Directive, oblivious to the repercussions.

And indeed it sounds like Pike is killed during the attack we see in the trailers, after which he gives his dying speech to Kirk. We’ve all been guessing wrong that Harrison jumping through the glass and Spock’s pursuit follows that attack.

And to whoever argued that Cooke dropping his ring in the water was not merely a symbol of defeat and throwing his career down the tubes, kudos! It turns out to be the bomb itself! Though it does perform double duty.

976. Aurore - March 7, 2013

970. Dee – lvs moon surface – March 7, 2013


Earlier on another thread, a fellow fan talked about the event in Brazil.
I made my own research and found the article I linked to @ 952.

But, before that, I had found this, from someone from my country ( link if authorized here):

So, I assumed that the person writing the article was probably also in Brazil, I might have been wrong…

977. Red Dead Ryan - March 7, 2013




978. Red Dead Ryan - March 7, 2013

There was a cat-woman (with three breasts, btw) seen in “The Final Frontier”.

If that–and the rumor of BC playing Sybok–happens to be true, then Shatner’s film obviously served as a source of inspiration for the sequel……

… reason to maybe take all this with a grain of salt……

979. Curious Cadet - March 7, 2013

@971. Trekkiegal63,
“Testing this to see if it works on this site so as not to spoil those who wish to remain unspoiled (i.e. whiting out text that needs to be highlighted to be read)…”

While I admire your efforts, everything about Trekmovie is designed to reveal spoilers. A simple “SPOILERS” tag should be enough. It is for the articles themselves.

@ 959 Jack, I apologize if you feel I did not provide enough warning before posting my spoilers, but honestly, if you are trying to avoid spoilers, this is not the site to hang out on. Not only did I indicate the information in the link was “huge”, but went on to alert it contained spoilers, in all CAPS. What more would you have me do? If you are trying to avoid spoilers, you should have stopped reading as soon as you saw that word. Short of a universally adopted system to discern the various significance of the spoiler (e.g. SPOILER ALERT RED!!, or Green, etc.), I’m not sure what else would have stopped you from reading on …

980. Red Dead Ryan - March 7, 2013

Of course, one of the cat-women mentioned by Dee could be M’Ress* from “The Animated Series”.

*I know some of you will point out that M’Ress was more of a lioness-woman, but lions and lionesses ARE cats as well. :-)

981. James - March 7, 2013

Red Dead Ryan,
You are having a great sense of humor about all of this. lol
Love the Titanic/sinking ship reference.

I think you and MJ and everyone etc, can probably be excused from eating crow. :)

Serisouly though where in Anthony with an article on this, its big big news

982. Red Dead Ryan - March 7, 2013


Maybe next time, you should leave a large space below “SPOILERS” and above the actual spoilers.

Kind of like this:


The _________________________________spoilers.


983. Phil - March 7, 2013

Still thinking it’s not a bad idea to wait for BR or Paramount to confirm this. So far it seems that it’s fan pages that are circulating this rumor, there is still a chance this is an elaborate hoax…

984. Curious Cadet - March 7, 2013

@978. Red Dead Ryan,
There was a cat-woman (with three breasts, btw) seen in “The Final Frontier”. If that–and the rumor of BC playing Sybok–happens to be true, then Shatner’s film obviously served as a source of inspiration for the sequel……”

You realize it’s that kind of “evidence” that convinced people Cumberbatch was Khan. Haha

Seriously though, if April could turn out so differently in this universe, then so could Sybock, especially after the destruction of Vulcan. It would explain the “super strength”. And if plastic surgery is a factor in Harrison’s appearance, then Sybock is certainly a possibility. After all Sybock is family, that might explain why Spock pursues him with such a vengeance. And what would Kirk and Harrison have in common? Spock.

985. James - March 7, 2013

I just want to point out that if you copy and paste the translation into bing translate

there are some differences in the translation, its a bit easier to understand.

986. Red Dead Ryan - March 7, 2013

Actually, more like this:


_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ (blank space)

The spoilers would be down below:

Blah, blah, blah, yak, yak, yak, wah, wah, wah!

You get the idea! :-)

987. Dee - lvs moon surface - March 7, 2013

#976. Aurore


Maxime Pargaud ‏@mpargaud
Star Trek Into Darkness, le premier en mieux d’après les 30 minutes vues ce matin. Plus aérien, malin et toujours drôle.#StarTrek


I think has no mention to Brazil… I dunno…

someone spotted Chris Pine in Paris… btw no picture yet!

988. Red Dead Ryan - March 7, 2013

Well, if John Harrison is actually Sybok in disguise, and that he is out for revenge against Spock for the destruction of Vulcan, well that is a bit underwhelming and lame. Not to mention repetitive after only two movies.

Why would Sybok blame his half-brother for the destruction of Vulcan?

“I’m going to make Spock pay by forcing him to watch the destruction of the Federation!”

Not only that, but like last time, the commanding officer (this time Kirk, last movie Spock) is lacking discipline, and is emotionally unfit for command.

Then you’d have the main villain blaming Spock for the destruction of his home planet, and then attacks Earth in retaliation.

If this is the best the writers can come up with, perhaps they ought to reboot the series yet again next time…

989. Aurore - March 7, 2013

My fellow fans,

I cannot confirm anything about Brazil.

But, some journalists in my country are definitely claiming to have watched 30 minutes from Star Trek Into Darkness…today.

990. Curious Cadet - March 7, 2013

@983. Phil,
“Still thinking it’s not a bad idea to wait for BR or Paramount to confirm this. So far it seems that it’s fan pages that are circulating this rumor, there is still a chance this is an elaborate hoax…”

For sure, however, the original source does not appear to be a fan page for what it’s worth. And yes, if this all does turn out to be real, then they likely are reporting the spoilers despite being told not to. I don’t recall a wholesale leak of all the major plotlines after the ST09 Austin surprise screening of the whole movie.

991. Aurore - March 7, 2013

987. Dee – lvs moon surface – March 7, 2013


I just saw it right before posting @ 989!


992. Phil - March 7, 2013

@984 Wasn’t there a three-breasted woman in Total Recall. The inspiration for this movie, perhaps? Also, the secret weapon in Arnolds comeback. Arnold Schwarzenegger is Khan. ….hey, about as likely as Shat winning an Oscar now.

993. Aurore - March 7, 2013



I meant that I had read the article you linked to just before posting @989 and before realising that you had already posted it.



994. Curious Cadet - March 7, 2013

@987 Dee,

Yes this seems to also confirm it was Paris …

995. Curious Cadet - March 7, 2013

@989. Aurore,
“I cannot confirm anything about Brazil. But, some journalists in my country are definitely claiming to have watched 30 minutes from Star Trek Into Darkness…today.”

It appears that the São Paulo screening was on the 5th, and the Paris screening the 7th with Burke at both. This is absolutely possible, if not tiring for Burke.

996. James - March 7, 2013

Hopefully anthony posts a new story thread now.

997. Phil - March 7, 2013

This may be the MO the domestic fan base is going to have to get used too, Paramount may be committing most of it’s promotion budget overseas, and counting on familiarity and buzz within the US. No issues with that, as it (hopefully) ensures more Trek to come.

998. Aurore - March 7, 2013

“I think has no mention to Brazil… I dunno…”

The reason I thought the French article I posted was written from Brazil was because its author said that Bryan Burk was there. And at the time, I believed Bryan Burk was in Brazil…

I am sorry!


999. Aurore - March 7, 2013

“It appears that the São Paulo screening was on the 5th, and the Paris screening the 7th with Burke at both. This is absolutely possible, if not tiring for Burke.”

Oh. It makes sense!

Thank you!

1000. MJ - March 7, 2013

“Are you really making this about nationalism? This happens all the time. European release dates are often a bit early these days.”

No of course not??? Read my post again, I am askin what is the point of all JJ’s ridiculous level of security if all the secrets and reviews are known in the #1 markets — North America and GB — one week ahead of time?

Just tell us who the villain is now and the general comcept of the movie given we are going to know it now anyway before we see it.

1001. Jack - March 7, 2013

1000. I know. I did. And apologized. And apologize again.

1002. Disinvited - March 7, 2013

What I get from the reporting is that the opening 9 minutes have changed from the HOBBIT sneak. There’s some implication that the 3-D conversion caused a rethink on the editing but it seems to be clear that it is still coming together.

But the real surprise is that, unlike Japan, Abrams’ wasn’t there live to promote but put together a video spiel. Is this an indication that his focus is totally on that DISNEY project or that the editing is requiring a major redo?

1003. James - March 7, 2013

I agree with your stance MJ,

1004. MJ - March 7, 2013

@1001 — OK, thanks Jack. I am trying avoid reading some of the above posts given their are some spoilers apparently?

@1002 — why are you surprised that his #1 focus has turned to Star Wars?

And here is a thought — with JJ out-of-sight, out-of-mind, at Paramount now given the SW activity, Paramount is getting away with giving away the spoilers and secrets of the movie now. Do you really think this would all be happening if JJ was still engaged?

1005. Phil - March 7, 2013

I think JJ is still engaged. Most of what has been posted on these foreign sites are the existing trailers, and just a couple of bits of info that seem to be expanding on the trailers already presented. What we are probably going to see going forward is tidbits of info released up to the point where the general plot and characters will all be known when the movie premiers in their respective market. It’s like a drug, you give the audience a little bit at a time and they keep coming back.

Of course, all it takes to derail the whole thing is one spectaculary bad review….

Matters not to me one way or another. May 17th is my anniversary, so I’ll be seeing the movie on the 24th. All will be known by then.

1006. Disinvited - March 7, 2013

#1004 MJ – March 7, 2013

My surprise was that he divorced himself from the promotion. I figured he was still involved with prior commitments such as promotion. He’s a professional.

However, your points are well taken. I only fear that it also means that Paramount is also helming the reedit.

1007. MJ - March 7, 2013

Phil, I am not so confident as you that he is engaged. He hasn’t been at these most recent foreign previews, he’s not anywhere to be seen (which is odd, given this huge Trek movie coming up), we are seeing major SW movie news break every work as pre-production gets moving, and now the studio seems to be violating the secrecy approach that normally JJ wouldn’t all.

1008. MJ - March 7, 2013

“wouldn’t allow”

1009. Phil - March 7, 2013

JJ has been out promoting, and it should not be an issue for Bryan Burk to be hitting the road to do it as well. Bad Robot still has a contract with Paramount, and it’s not in JJ’s best interest to fall down on the job on any of his productions. I know we tend to speculate here about the potential for post production trouble (I’ve done it myself), but it seems when there is an official release of info, everything seems to be pointing in the direction that Paramount has a hit on their hands here. We just need to be patient….

1010. Phil - March 7, 2013

Anthony, though, seems to have missed a big story here. I’ve no doubt that someone will post on this before the end of the day, but is seems like Trekmovie isn’t in the business of breaking stories anymore…

1011. Curious Cadet - March 7, 2013

@1005 Phil,
“Most of what has been posted on these foreign sites are the existing trailers, and just a couple of bits of info that seem to be expanding on the trailers already presented.”

With all due respect it sure seems like a lot more than that … At least with respect to what is going on. I could have actually done without knowing some of those plot twists frankly.

I know so many people who are not Star Trek fans who have said they are looking forward to seeing ID over Iron Man 3, Superman and other Summer blockbusters … So why give us more than they have to? Does knowing:


Kirk loses his command and get busted to First officer make anyone want to see the film any more than they did? All it does for me is ruin a jaw dropping moment in the film. Well, not ruin but diminish the impact. At least with the destruction of Vulcan, despite it being shown in all the trailers, though we suspected, we didn’t know it was actually Vulcan until the film opened, and that was a nice surprise in the film. Now this surprise is minimized. And what was gained?

1012. Curious Cadet - March 7, 2013

@1011 ^^^

But how nice to see the filmmakers directly address and acknowledge that Kirk was promoted too fast.

1013. Keachick - March 7, 2013

JJ Abrams was in Japan in December 2012 with Bryan Burk, Chris Pine and Benedict Cumberbatch promoting the film. JJ Abrams is delegating at this point. There are still two months to go before the film sees its first release in cinemas. We have no idea where he might be in the next few weeks…

It is interesting that the first nine minutes has changed. Perhaps that is why there has not been as much as some would have expected by now. I am not surprised. I suspected that they might change the opening sequences to the film – just a hunch of my part.

1014. Phil - March 7, 2013

@1011…The point you are making does expand a bit on the dressing down Kirk is getting in one of the earlier lectures (recall Pike telling Kirk that his arragonce was going to get everyone killed). So now we know the consequence of the lecture, but not why.

There is nothing wrong with say that there appears to be more information available on the plot of the movie. I’ve taken a look at the links, and commented, and an trying not to reveal details. None of this has yet been confirmed by BR or Paramount. If spoilers bug people that much, don’t copy them here.

1015. Keachick - March 7, 2013

Kirk (temporarily) losing command is not such a surprise for me. I suspected that this might happen in any storyline following on from ST09. I think that more than enough has been told about the film already and that it would be a mistake for Paramount/Bad Robot to tell anymore.

I have got a theory on why there are still so few women in this Star Trek movie series, other than the problem that only one of the seven main characters in TOS was female. However, I will leave it for now as it might cause a stir, even (international) controversy, but it has to do with people in the west (namely English speaking countries for the most part) continuing to ignore the “elephant in the living room”.

1016. AJ - March 7, 2013


As the score was only recently completed, I’ll bet JJ is with his buddy Giacchino scoring the film. Also, he has to approve the 3D. The idea that he’s jumped ship is ridiculous. Who would hire a director who just leaves a $200m film before it’s launched?

1017. Curious Cadet - March 7, 2013

@1013 Keachick,
“I suspected that they might change the opening sequences to the film”

Well, arguably the opening 9 was done for the fans. And as such the biggest question on any fans minds was “who are you” which is literally asked of Cumberbatch in the opening 9. What they changed seems to mainly be the Cooke story opening.

Arguably, and in keeping with the spirit of TOS, opening the film mid-mission on another planet is the best way to open a Trek film, just like 09 opened on the Kelvin. Less compelling is a fairly routine drama which could be set in present day, featuring concerned parents and a sick girl. It’s just not as strong, and tells the audience very little about what they are seeing. Opening with an exciting chase on a clearly alien environment gets the audience in a mood to accept the quieter moments with the promise of more to come.

I wouldn’t be surprised if this wasn’t the plan all along.

Other cuts for time would be expected once the entire movie were assembled, and possibly some slight re-ordering for clarity.

1018. Phil - March 7, 2013

@1022. My interpetation (which may be wrong, thanks to Goggle Translate) isn’t so much that it’s been changed, but was out of sequence. I seem to recall it coming up previously that trainers for the first movie had images in them that didn’t make the final cut, so learning that some editing has occured to the first nine minutes of The Hobbit cut should not be of concern, or suprise. The final cut may also make more changes to the 30 minutes we are now aware of, as the people who saw there were (apparently) told that music, editing, and visual effects were not complete.

Patience is a virtue…really… :-)

1019. Phil - March 7, 2013

@1016. Agreed. JJ is running a business, it’s not in his interest for anything Bad Robot is doing to not get the best effort from the company possible.

1020. Phil - March 7, 2013

@1024.. The’ problem’ that only one of the seven main characters in TOS was female??? Considering how horribly bad your last venture into commenting on current events went, and that you have already hinted that that ‘problem’ may be an issue with western english speaking culture, your theory might be better suited for some other forum.

1021. Keachick - March 7, 2013

Wow – that was mean, Phil.

My theory may have an impact on how the movie industry may continue to work in order to seek an international audience.

1022. crazydaystrom - March 7, 2013

Ha Ha!! IF BC turn out to be Spock’s brother we the minority Sybokian contingent are going to be some smug SOB’s. This Trek is going to be about FAMILY!

1023. Dee - lvs moon surface - March 7, 2013

JJ Abrams was yesterday with Michael Giacchino… he looks very committed to music for Into Darkness!

1024. Jack - March 7, 2013

Frankly, despite my earlier flip out, none of that is surprising.

Major spoilers. Stop reading here.


….We’d guessed that the ring might _____ ___ _________ and that ______ might play ______ Sr., who’s been mentioned in the comics. And that Kirk gets in trouble for violating the, well, you know during Nibiru (despite saving the planet and his first officer). And most of the other stuff is hinted at in the trailer.

But it would have been nice being surprised by this in the movie itself. Didn’t those damned reporters agree to an embargo? A half hour is a big chunk.

Seriously, if you’re going to post major spoilers on a non-spoiler thread — please make it really, really clear to dummies like me — and, ideally, keep it to the link and not a detailed explanation. I didn’t click the link (at first) but just read it here.

1025. Jack - March 7, 2013

1011. We knew Kirk was (Massive Spoiler)


______ his command — it’s been published (and yeah, it’s hinted at in the trailers). But the exact details, and who Weller’s playing, how London gets bombed and what exactly happens to the E…

Not trying to be a dick, but this is a Shatner thread — if it was a spoiler thread I’d know what I was getting into. The movie isn’t ruined. And I’m annoyed at that Brazillian Trek site. But I’m not thrilled to have to watch 30 minutes where I already know exactly what’s happening. Sure, luckily there’s two hours after this….

1026. Keachick - March 7, 2013

I did consider Sybok, who had his vulcan ears surgically altered. However, this Sybok would not be quite the same man we met in STV. Then again, having your world imploded could skewer a person mentally and emotionally, as it did to Nero and crew. If BC is Sybok, I doubt he wants to see earth totally destroyed, just battered and hurt.

Sybok from STV (as far as we know) appeared not to have spent time in the UK, whereas John Harrison has, so I really doubt that John Harrison is really Sybok, using an assumed name. I still think he is…well, John Harrison, who may well be a vulcan/human hybrid like Spock. However, he was born in the UK and brought up there and did not inherit the larger pointed vulcan ears. He did inherit the greater mental and physical vulcan strength though.

If this John Harrison character is either Sybok, who is Spock’s older half-brother, or another vulcan/human hybrid, then it is going to be very hard on Spock in that Spock appears to be hunting down this individual because of what he has already done and threatens to do…

1027. Phil - March 7, 2013

@1021. No, it’s more like getting right to the point.

First, if you check BoxOfficeMojo, you will see that successful movies generally get 60% of thier revenue from foreign markets, and this is considered the norm for the Hollywood beancounters now.
Second, and using STID as an example, take a look at the international distribution list, and observe what countries are not on that list. As it stands, these regions are not markets for Hollywood produced entertainment, for a number of reasons. So addressing what you perceive to be a problem isn’t going to change that.

None of us here make movies, and only a few may actually be employed by the industry. We are also aware of the various shortcomings that Hollywood has when it portrays past, present, or future society on the big screen. There is nothing you, I, or anyone here can say that hasn’t been said in a Hollywood boardroom somewhere. Having no dog in this fight, all I’m left with is your comment about what you perceive to be a shortcoming in western, english speaking society. You are free to post what you like, but given your flair for the dramatic, if there is blowback, you can’t say you weren’t warned.

1028. Curious Cadet - March 7, 2013

@ 1026 Keachick,
“Sybok from STV (as far as we know) appeared not to have spent time in the UK, whereas John Harrison has, so I really doubt that John Harrison is really Sybok, using an assumed name”

This is a different universe. Carol Marcus is a starfleet weapons expert. April disappeared from Starfleet 20 years earlier and has broken the Prime Directive to help an alien race fight a war. Spock has a girlfriend.

So yes, Sybock could have moved to London with his mother after his father abandoned him. OR, if Sybock is pretending to be Harrison, then I’m pretty sure he could affect an English accent to blend in and further disguise himself.

Unfortunately, since Harrison is a canon character, he’s more likely Sybock than some previously unknown Vulcan/Human hybrid.

1029. MJ - March 7, 2013

Sybok? No way! LOL

They’d be sure to pick a character from the original timeline that wasn’t associated with ridicule and the worst TOS Trek movie ever. And DC Fontana declared that Sybock should not even be canon.

I’m still not buying that JJ isn’t cutting back some given Star Wars. Of course he will do whats important for the studio and be professional, but that doesn’t mean that he can’t get out of “extra” stuff like showing up in Brazil or France for these previews.

1030. Keachick - March 7, 2013

Sybok is canon because the character is part of film. Paramount authorized Star Trek on film is canon. I don’t care what DC Fontana thinks – that is her PERSONAL opinion, which I do not necessarily agree with. Anyway, both opinions are moot.

Sybok’s parents in STV were both vulcan. Sarek was his father and a vulcan princess was his mother. I doubt there would be need to change Sybok’s parentage in this alternate universe, even if this STID story was about this character. Sybok looks less likely to be who John Harrison might be, because I think that John Harrison is simply John Harrison.

“all I’m left with is your comment about what you perceive to be a shortcoming in western, english speaking society.”

No, the only shortcoming is that we are not able to see or purposely ignore the “elephant”. A clue – think of the two largest nations whose population is getting more disposable income and then take a look at the male/female population ratios of those two nations… Also, think about how their societies have tended to operate and still do in many parts, ie patriarchal and misogynistic.

1031. Aurore - March 7, 2013

“…et le méchant du film, incarné par Benedict Cumberbatch, dont l’identité est enfin dévoilée comme étant John Harrison, un ancien de Starfleet.”

(From the article I linked earlier@ 976.).

The villain’s identity is revealed. At last.
He is…John Harrison, an ex Starfleet member….

This is… huge…

1032. MJ - March 7, 2013

Wow, I care what DC Fontana thought. A lot!

PS: I am ignoring your inferred social commentary on the U.S. this time around…it just took much of my energy and time the last go around. Believe what you must….

1033. Michael - March 7, 2013

John Harrison is not a previously existing canon character.

1034. MJ - March 7, 2013

@1031. That doesn’t mean all that much. We already knew he was a starfleet officer; the fact that he was an ex officer is not really this big bombshell that you are claiming???

1035. Aurore - March 7, 2013

“….the fact that he was an ex officer is not really this big bombshell that you are claiming???”

My point. Exactly .

I already knew what was in the article…It was posted on this here site weeks ago…

The article I linked to was claiming it was “this big bombshell”.

I wasn’t.

1036. Aurore - March 7, 2013

“The article I linked to was claiming it was ‘this big bombshell’.”

It probably is a “big bombshell”,as it were, for people in my country who might be interested in the upcoming Star Trek sequel without necessarily being huge fan of the Star Trek franchise, though…

1037. Keachick - March 7, 2013

MJ – This is not a social commentary on the US as such and I was not criticizing the US anymore than I might criticize other nations in this respect. Hollywood film industry is that – an industry. The people who work in the industry, I believe, try to make the best films they can, given budgets and other considerations. As Chris Pine once said (paraphrazing) – no one sets out to make a bad film…

Film (movies in particular) need audiences and the bigger the audience, the better. The bigger the audience, the bigger the revenue. That means continued employment for the many thousands of people who work in the industry. In order to get that big audience share and keep, the industry has to produce film that these audiences will continue to see and enjoy. What people enjoy is not only a personal matter, but is also dictated to a greater or lesser degree by the culture you are brought up in. If that culture is largely male dominated (even when it comes to numbers), then the kinds of entertainment preferred will be male dominated. Most males tend to go for more action driven film, with combat scenes – weapons use and/or hand to hand combat. The stories tend to be about battle tactics, vanquishing an enemy etc. All the heroes are male.

Romance and family oriented stories are not favoured. If there are women, they are in subordinate roles, roles of servitude (including sexual) by and large. In other words, having a couple of women like Lt Uhura and Dr Carol Marcus might be as much as many such an audience member could cope with…

Maybe this is why a lot of film is still so much more dominated by males and male preferences.

1038. MJ - March 7, 2013

Aurore and Keachick,

Ah, OK. I see where you are coming from now.

1039. Aurore - March 7, 2013

What I should have said @ 1036, and to a point @ 1035 as well, is that not everybody necessarily visit Star Trek sites.

What I’ve been reading for months here and elsewhere, is probably news for many of my fellow citizens.

1040. Aurore - March 7, 2013

“Ah, OK. I see where you are coming from now.”

I was posting @1039 while 1038 was typed, apparently!
I thought I needed to clarify my point.


1041. Phil - March 7, 2013

@1030. Yep. Look at all the problems Google has in that region. Enough said.

1042. Killamarshtrek - March 7, 2013

This is a SPOILERY post, don’t say I didn’t warn you!

The Sybok bit is obviously speculation, I wouldn’t pay too much attention to that.

So what have we learned? Kirk breaking Prime Directive to save Spock was a no brainer. Noel Clarke helping Harrison attack London to save his daughter – again, pretty easy to predict. Weller as Marcus, I’ve already assumed, Pike’s fate, I’ve already assumed, so….. not much really!

What can we extrapolate? Well Pike convinces Marcus to let Kirk off with a light punishment. Does Pike know of Marcus’ part in helping Robert April save a race by breaking the Prime Directive 20 years earlier and remind him of this?

Obviously the harsh realities of the Prime Directive is what’s at the heart of this film. I believe it’s this that motivates our villain & who have we been introduced to recently in the ‘Countdown’ comic who’s fallen foul of the Prime Directive? The answer is staring you in the face guys!!

Oh and regarding JJ not promoting, he can’t be in 2 places at once, he’s supervising the score recording in LA right now (see Michael Giacchino on twitter)!

1043. Phil - March 7, 2013

How about that, a couple of fresh posts. Need to amble on over there and see the tail wag the dog.

1044. crazydaystrom - March 7, 2013

1029. MJ –
“Sybok? No way! LOL
They’d be sure to pick a character from the original timeline that wasn’t associated with ridicule and the worst TOS Trek movie ever.”

THAT surity of yours and of others is exactly the reason I would use Sybok if I were making the film. I’ve said it several times before, here and elsewhere. There’s no reason NuSybok could be an interesting or even BADASS character.

1045. Curious Cadet - March 7, 2013

@1030. Keachick,
“Sybock looks less likely to be who John Harrison might be, because I think that John Harrison is simply John Harrison.”

I have no great desire to see Sybock be the villan. But once again, you’re focusing on his parentage. If he is Sybock, he would have to alter both his appearance and background to infiltrate Starfleet. Affecting a British accent is the least of his problems. And again, in this universe who is to say he did not accompany his ambassador father to Earth and enroll in an English prep school? So many ways is could work you are merely glossing over.

However, for all practical purposes I agree John Harrison is John Harrison in this film, as his motivations and actions are completely foreign to any character we might have previously known. But we know John Harrison is taken from canon. Which means, there’s either some clever connection no one has guessed, or Harrison is an assumed identity and he will be revealed to be someone else. I hope for the former, but don’t discount the latter at all.

1046. Curious Cadet - March 7, 2013

@1042. Killamarshtrek,
“I believe it’s this that motivates our villain & who have we been introduced to recently in the ‘Countdown’ comic who’s fallen foul of the Prime Directive? The answer is staring you in the face guys!!”

Reverse-aged April?

You had to beat that horse some more, didn’t ya.

I can’t say it won’t be that, but I will hate it if that’s what they’ve done. For now I’m going to be more optimistic and assume something smarter.

April plays into the Prime Directive story. I doubt April has anything directly to do with the movie, or any connection with Harrison. I’m not even sure whether Harrison will have anything to do with the Prime Directive story, as that would be a very johnny-one-note movie. At this point, I’m thinking more Klingon. After all, the comics gave us Trouble with Tribbles, which could be a clue by its inclusion alone. And a bad ass Arne Darvin character would be an interesting twist.

1047. red rose Keachick - March 7, 2013

Keachick leave intelligent thought, to intelligent men

1048. Killamarshtrek - March 7, 2013

@1046 Curious Cadet

Doesn’t have to be a de-aged April. As you said, could be someone related to him, but I,m sure it’s either him or someone connected to him. is represented by Gorilla Nation. Please contact Gorilla Nation for ad rates, packages and general advertising information.