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UPDATED: New ‘Into Darkness’ Rumor Revealed To Be Hoax (To Prove A Point) March 21, 2013

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Spoilers,Star Trek Into Darkness , trackback

While Alice Eve in the new trailer has grabbed a lot of attention – the biggest topic of discussion around Star Trek Into Darkness is Benedict Cumberbatch’s character John Harrison. And today the website Pop Culture Zoo says they have the real spoilers about Harrison’s true identity and more? TrekMovie has checked on their findings. Get the full Rumor Control below.  [UPDATE: PCZ admits it was hoax]

UPDATE:  Pop Culture Zoo Reveals Hoax

After TrekMovie debunked this latest rumor Joseph Dilworth of Pop Culture Zoo posted an update admitting the whole thing was "one big hoax." Dilworth admits he and a friend "conspired together to create a plausible rumor with the sole intent of seeing how far it would go." The reasoning stems from frustration the conflation of what are rumors and known facts about the movie.

It is a fair point. TrekMovie has always gone out of the way to differentiate what has been revealed officially or has been stated on the record as opposed to any reporting coming from our own sources. Those reports are always cited as officially rumor and Paramount does not comment on rumors. However, I have seen TrekMovie reports (and others) cited as confirmed facts on other sites and in other media.

However, I’m not sure this kind of rumor as performance art helps make their point. Pointing out fact from the officially unconfirmed seems straightforward enough. 

 

Original Article

 

John Harrison is Harry Mudd’s Android Son?

The website Pop Culture Zoo says they have "Exclusive Major Spoilers" for Star Trek Into Darkness, specifically on the biggest question of them all: Is Benedict Cumberbatch just John Harrison or does he have another true ID? According to Pop Culture Zoo’s "trusted source" the John Harrison’s true identity isn’t one that has been speculated before. It is actually Harry Mudd’s son. Part of the ‘proof’ is in the name Harrison ("Harry’s son"). And it gets better. Here are some of the spoilery details…

[Harrison]‘s also an android, from the planet of androids that Mudd found in the Original Series episode “I, Mudd” (further linking the reboot universe to the original timeline)–he’s the new Norman.


 Harry Mudd is John Harrison’s dad?

Their report also picks up on TrekMovie’s reporting aboutof Joseph Gatt’s character being named "GATT 2000," and how he has some kind of cybernetic feature on his head. Now Pop Culture Zoo says GATT is the "#2,000 in the GATT android series." The source also claims the famed cryogenic chambers from the teaser trailer are actually "android creation machines."


 So Harrison is the new Norman android (top) and the tubes (bottom) make more Androids?

One of the elements that ties this together is the new "Star Trek: Countdown to Darkness" prequel comic series. It has been revealed in that series that Harry Mudd has a daughter, who is just as roguish as her dad. Harrison has not appeared in the comics, nor have they referred to him or to another Mudd sibling, so that is all on Pop Culture Zoo’s source.


 Mudd’s daughter is in the new Star Trek: Countdown to Darkness comics

 

Sorry, Not True

So is this real? Well just in case TrekMovie checked with our trusted sources and the verdict is: "Not True, but pretty funny."  I think perhaps someone is having a laugh with Pop Culture Zoo. I hope it wasn’t a TrekMovie.com reader that ‘sourced’ this, although in the discussion thread for the latest issue of Countdown there was a lot of speculation about "Harry’s son" = Harrison.

Of course we also checked with Vreenak and he was unequivocal. 

 

Comments

1. David - March 21, 2013

He is obviously Khan’s cousin’s best friend’s former room mate…

My proof is that’s what I choose to believe.

And with Lindelof on the writing team – my previous sentence makes perfect sense.

2. Planet Pandro - March 21, 2013

Kudos to the originator of this rumor. On it’s face, it fit all the evidence so far, it refuted nothing we’ve seen, was plausible (if unlikely) and further fueled all the “who is this guy” speculation. Very inventive!

3. AFM - March 21, 2013

Is it April Fool’s Day already?

4. Lore - March 21, 2013

Wow that was absolute nonsense. I bet it was Bob Orci.
Either Bob or B4 who is still upset about the way Nemisis turned out.

5. Elias Javalis - March 21, 2013

Funny, but i ll just go with the “Harrison is a rogue from Starfleet Intelligence routine!

6. JohnRambo - March 21, 2013

The truth is when you change some letters from “John Harrison”
Khan Noonien Singh comes out.

7. BiggestTOSfanever - March 21, 2013

@6
So does Nosirrah Nhoj

8. sean - March 21, 2013

Come on, everyone knows that Cumberbatch is playing a Tribble.

9. BatlethInTheGroin - March 21, 2013

#8: He’s playing a tribble? Is that a woodwind or brass instrument?

10. Daniel Broadway - March 21, 2013

Why would anyone have believed this in the first place? By the way, my guess is that the starfleet officer who goes rouge is not Harrison at all. I believe the rouge starfleet officer is Noel Clarke, who is controled by Harrison. Harrison may not be a member of starfleet at all.

The reason Harrison is wearing the starfleet shirt is perhaps because it was given to him in the brig while incarirated on the Enterprise.

11. BatlethInTheGroin - March 21, 2013

See, NOW people will all start saying, “Why would anyone believe this?” but until a few minutes ago, the response was decidedly different. :)

12. Johnny - March 21, 2013

I still don’t think we should even be entertaining all of these villain rumors… no matter how silly they are. Can’t we just accept that he is John Harrison, a rogue Starfleet officer, and just wait for the movie to come out?

Isn’t it more fun that way? They’re called “spoilers” for a reason! Because they SPOIL the experience of watching a movie for the first time.

13. flake - March 21, 2013

You should have left this rumour Anthony because it ticked all the boxes and people would have given up guessing and just believed it and THEN they would truly be surprised in the cinema :)

Unless, of course, it is true and trekmovie.com is being misled. hm

14. Anthony Pascale - March 21, 2013

flake…you just moved up to suspect #1 for the guy who started this rumor!

I added some space between the rumor and the debunking…so you have to scroll to find out?

15. Steve Johnson - March 21, 2013

@12 Oh come now Johnny. The thrill of a mystery is trying to solve it before the end of the line is upon you.

16. Flake - March 21, 2013

Not guilty your honour!

I would not dare try to mislead Senator Vreenak.

17. Deep_Space_Kyle - March 21, 2013

Oh my goodness! Loved it though! What a throw back to TOS! Only DIE HARD fans would have caught the reference in the movie, and since they are going all mainstream with these, I doubt they would burry that much history into a character. Just my opinion, I think John Harrison will be John Harrison. He won’t end up being Khan, or any one else. He will be a character all unto himself. Now granted, my opinion and fifty cents will get you a Soda, but as a life long rabid fan, I just felt the need to throw my prediction out there. Love the site, loved this article, can not wait for the midnight Imax 3D showing of which you can bet your sweet tribble I will be at! LLAP

18. NCC-73515 - March 21, 2013

A Starfleet top agent… Sloan?
Harris’ son (ENT)?

19. Joe Dilworth - March 21, 2013

Hi folks, I am the writer of that article and here is why:

http://popculturezoo.com/2013/03/star-trek-rumors-and-chinese-whispers/

A little bit of fun and a lot of proving a point. :-)

No hard feelings?

20. John from Cincinnati - March 21, 2013

John Harrison is actually….

Han Solo’s ancestor (Harrison Ford)..prepping us for the new Star Wars movie.

21. crucifixion - March 21, 2013

17.

Forget who John Harrison is, the real mystery is where can you get a can of soda for 50 cents?

22. Flake - March 21, 2013

Hey well instead of a Mind Meld to fill us all in, the android could be connected to the viewscreen and show us his backstory :P

23. Flake - March 21, 2013

#19

Well done sir because you had me fooled for a bit :) *claps*

Like Spock said in Star Trek 6:

An interesting theory that happened to fit the facts. :P

24. Anonymous - March 21, 2013

Perhaps not Harry’s son, but there’s truth to the android part.

25. Allen Williams - March 21, 2013

Too bad I would have rather believed this than Khan or Gary Mitchel.

26. Chris Roberts - March 21, 2013

That bit about watching the last episode of Star Trek Enterprise, for a hint about a scene after the end credits gets me.

As if anybody would want to do that! ;)

Now the last but one, and last but two are worth checking out…

…but I don’t really expect Bob Orci (or whoever else might be a harcore Trekkie among the writers) to have got Peter Weller to reprise his Terra Prime leader role.

27. Flake - March 21, 2013

He could well be an android. More like a Cylon from nuBSG though rather than Data. Maybe he has some form of nanoprobes in his blood that make him super, nanoprobes that also heal people (Noel Clarkes daughter) and are undetectable in a normal scan or even a transporter trace.

Nanites? Nanoprobes?

Made by Carol Marcus in her lab?

Carol Marcus knows how to shut them off? Shows McCoy the correct method to scan for them?

We will see!

28. AJ - March 21, 2013

John Harrison cannot be related to any characters who were ‘light’ or ‘fun’ or ultimately harmless. That means Mudd and his androids, Trelane, Cyrano Jones, Lt. Riley, Arne Darvin, et al.

If he is related to old TOS canon, and this is becoming increasingly unlikely, it is someone who has no sense of humor whatsoever, and against whom Kirk feels he must invoke vendetta.

I will assume this is because Pike is killed during Harrison’s attack.

Unless we’re dealing with the Talosians, or some such, it still boils down to some version of Khan. I mean, Carol Marcus and the hands-on-glass scene. How many nods can you have to TWOK in one film?

29. BatlethInTheGroin - March 21, 2013

Not Khan.

30. NuFan - March 21, 2013

I wasn’t fooled and I said so at the time.

Special K will not be going away.

31. Phil - March 21, 2013

Well, about 20 seconds after I read it the first thought that popped into my head was that it was a synopisis for either BSG, maybe Terminator.

There are a few posters here that are really quick to post links to other sites, and they don’t always bother to read the material first. Most everyone who commented on the PCZ story saw through it pretty quick.

I’m inclined to think it’s Adm. Marcus who dies, and it’s nothing but a hunch.

32. Craiger - March 21, 2013

What if John Harrison just ends up being John Harrison with enhanced abilities?

33. Marja - March 21, 2013

Awww man, I love Vreenak

34. Gary S - March 21, 2013

it is clear who John Harriso really is .
He is Garth April Khanitchell!

35. Aurore - March 21, 2013

SPOILER ALERT

“What if John Harrison just ends up being John Harrison with enhanced abilities?”
________

That is what a video which has been leaked, of late, reveals.
We already knew John Harrison was an excellent cook.

Now we find out he has other talents.

Be warned ; in the scene you are about to see, he seems to have aged ( just a little bit ; his sexiness is, of course, still intact).
This, to me, give credence to what I will refer to as the “April theory”.

….Besides, he appears to have shaved his hair. Or something.
This (film) has “Heart of Darkness/ Apocalypse Now” written all over it. So to speak.

The sequel will be “dark”, disturbing….EPIC.
Just check this out:

(link if authorized, here):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28DfvvfZLi0

36. William Bradley - March 21, 2013

Well, that was just ridiculous.

Who in their right mind would buy that load of gabble??

37. Phil - March 21, 2013

HA HA – Nelson Muntz

38. Mad Mann - March 21, 2013

Umm, funny, I guess. Made me go “huh.”

39. Craiger - March 21, 2013

Or he is just John Harrison a Section 31 agent gone rouge? Admiral Marcus did say he is one of their best agents not officer.

40. Seattle Trek Fan - March 21, 2013

Is anyone else starting to think Harrison is the Abrams’ universe equivalent of a Section 31 agent?

41. Jack - March 21, 2013

10. The sane reason everybody was convinced he was Gary Mitchell, Hary Seven and Khan based on zero evidence (yes, yes, Khan had dark hair) and rumours. Again, it still could be anyone — but rumours are rumours.

It’s like the people who claim they used Jessica Fletcher-like deductive reasoning to figure put that Eve was Carol Marcus, and that reasoning was prettu much: ‘Marcus was blonde, Eve is Blonde.” Sure, as it tirns out, she’s Marcus (the obvious choice) but a guess is a guess.

42. dmduncan - March 21, 2013

Those tubes aren’t coffins. Who puts windows in coffins? And why are the windows all frosty?

Cryo tubes.

43. somethoughts - March 21, 2013

Who you trying to fool? It was no hoax lol your source failed and Anthony proved it within a few hours lol saying it was a hoax is just to save face ;)

44. Bird of Prey - March 21, 2013

This hoax was quite cleverly thought out! It makes (at least in my opinion) even more sense than the “Harrison is Khan” theory…

45. Jack - March 21, 2013

I don’t spell too well on iPhones.

46. Cant Wait Fer ST:ID - March 21, 2013

It was fun to read and I’m dum enuff to think it plausible-but-silly. Best bet in my mind from watching official trailers is Harrison is a rogue Section 31 agent that’s been augmented (maybe as an experiment). It’ll be interesting to see what the cryotube-looking thingies are all about.

47. TrekkerChick - March 21, 2013

@42

Maybe that scene is supposedly on Delta Vega in another part of the Budweiser brewery..

48. Travis - March 21, 2013

@42 dmduncan: I believe the scene where the ” Cryotubes ” are shown is indeed the Botany Bay! I also believe that ” John Harrison ” is a alias to Khan! People will see this movie because it presents a new story even if Khan himself has a new story! I also do believe that Admiral Alex Marcus has more to do with the motives of the Botany Bay! Think about it the Origional Enterprise under the command of Captain Alex Marcus ( previously Robert April ) may be responsible for all this mess!

49. Well, Of Course He's Khan - March 21, 2013

Oh, you could say they were poking fun at the people that will cling to any theory that isn’t. I think the truth is they were trying to draw a lot of attention to their site.

50. Scottthen Umsteadt - March 21, 2013

This whole secrecy thing is a little strange and annoying for me. We have always had great literature that has been adapted to plays and later films. Just because I know the plot does not mean I won’t want to see it played out visually. Yes, some secrets are good to keep. I ‘m glad I did not know the twist in Psycho the first time I saw it. But knowing some or even all of the details does not necessarily ruin it for me. Sitting in a darkened theater experiencing the drama is what gives me that emotional connection.

51. Phil - March 21, 2013

@48. Several sharp eyed folks have observed that the wall behind the two people is a block wall. They may have built starships out of sheetrock back in the sixties, but I suspect they are well past that now…

52. Weerd1 - March 21, 2013

I kinda liked the Mudd thing…

53. Newdivide1701 - March 21, 2013

It’s Khan’s father’s brother’s nephew’s cousin’s former roommate.

54. Commodore Bob - March 21, 2013

JANICE LESTER

55. Jack - March 21, 2013

Look at how the Internet exploded when Karl Urban joked that Cumberbatch would make a great Gary Mitchell, days after Bob publically ruled out Mitchell as a villain.

56. Harry - March 22, 2013

Yeah, I knew that had to be bogus. I mean, come on. John Harrison is quite clearly Captain Archer’s grand son, out to avenge Porthos. It’s all part of an elaborate revenge plot to get at Scotty. It’s obvious. That and Kirk cut in line at the buffet table and took the last bit of bacon just before they closed and that mad Harrison really really really mad. But, you know what he should have done? Pick up some Pizza Rolls.

57. The Sinfonian - March 22, 2013

@9: It depends on which end of the tribble he’s playing. ;)

Harrison is said to be a canon character. Clearly he’s playing Pachelbel’s Canon.

58. Johnny - March 22, 2013

@15. Steve Johnson

“@12 Oh come now Johnny. The thrill of a mystery is trying to solve it before the end of the line is upon you.”

——

Right, but shouldn’t that line start when the actual film starts? Not before? Where is the “thrill” in solving a mystery novel before you’ve even started reading it?

I just don’t get why we need to report on the identity of Benedict Cumberbatch. He’s John Harrison. That’s it, move on. Anything beyond that… any stories claiming that there is more to John Harrison, are major spoilers. Even the headline.

59. Johnny - March 22, 2013

So to sum up… I completely agree with the point of this hoax.

I seem to remember Trekmovie reporting that the villain in the film is in fact Khan, according to their reliable sources.

Yet on the other hand, the official name given to Benedict Cumberbatch’s character by Paramount is “John Harrison”. Not “Khan Noonien Singh”.

See the problem here? Yes, trekmovie stressed that this wasn’t confirmed by Paramount… but they didn’t report it as strictly “rumor”, either. It was their own completely reliable sources.

Trekmovie is effectively undermining the official information that Paramount and Bad Robot is putting out there — and creating all of this uncertainty.

60. Aurore - March 22, 2013

” Who puts windows in coffins?”
______

I see.

Coffins with viewing windows do exist.

“And why are the windows all frosty?”

According to some fans, as you know, they ( the “cryo tubes” ) could be something similar to what, apparently, happened in one of the episodes of a Star Trek series where people were frozen until medicine could help them.
(If I understood their meaning correctly.)

Now, ENOUGH with the provocations!

:))

61. Rich Handley, Hasslein Books - March 22, 2013

Hi, folks. Regarding the hoax, a bit of an explanation is in order. Joe Dilworth, over at Pop Culture Zoo, is a friend of mine, and he told me a couple of days ago that he was thinking of posting a fake spoiler to see if it went viral, because he was getting tired of seeing so many sites (NOTE: ***not*** TrekMovie, which is far more journalistic and credible than most other sites) repeating all the crazy theories out there as if they were fact, without doing even the tiniest bit of journalistic fact-checking. If someone postulated that the villain was Garth, suddenly a dozen sites would claim they had PROOF he was… even though they had done no confirmations, and had only just copied and pasted rumor as fact.

So Joe planned to post something absolutely ridiculous (the post-credits sequence revealing the entire movie to be a holodeck program aboard Enterprise-E), and then sit back and wait to see if any sites picked it up and claimed that they’d actually confirmed this to be true. Chuckling at the thought of it, I jokingly sent him the following silly paragraph, just because it’s my nature to write silly things:

“Inside sources have confirmed that Benedict Cumberbatch is not playing Khan, Mitchell or Garth, as has previously been reported, but rather the son of Harry Mudd. The film will reveal, during its second half, that he chose his name, Harrison, because he’s Harry’s son. And he’s also an android, from the planet of androids that Mudd found in ‘I, Mudd’–he’s the new Norman. Furthermore, the identity of the character being played by Joseph Gatt has also been revealed. Early reports cited him as playing someone called GATT 2000, but this was never explained, leaving fans confused. We now know that he will be #2,000 in the GATT android series. And those cryogenic chambers from the early trailer? They’re android creation machines. This new information explains the presence of Harriet Mudd in the INTO DARKNESS prequel comic IDW is currently producing, as well as Harrison’s increased strength in the trailers.”

To my surprise, Joe not only thought it was funny but actually used it as the fake spoiler, tagged his post-credits idea on as well. I found the whole thing to be fun and silly, and wondered how long it would take for someone to do what Joe was expecting: post it online as fact, without checking their own sources. He then eventually planned to write an editorial about the need for better journalism. Unfortunately, that didn’t happen since it all got debunked before it could gain any momentum. Ah, well. :)

Anyway, I wanted to post this because there are people claiming this wasn’t really a hoax, or that Joe was trying to bring attention to his site. Neither is true. I was the creative idiot behind the “Harrison is an android” theory, and Joe was simply trying to make a point about the current shoddy state of journalism. And that, my friends, is how it happened.

62. Aurore - March 22, 2013

Correction. 35.

This, to me, give credence to what I will refer to as the “April theory”.

=

This, to me, gives credence to what I will refer to as the “April theory”.

:)

63. SirBroiler - March 22, 2013

Pretty simple. Starfleet tinkers with Augments for secret division – maybe Section 31 – managed by Admiral Marcus. Cumby, an enhanced agent, goes rogue and takes revenge on Starfleet. Travels to retrieve Khan and the botany bay crew who were discovered by Klingons in this universe. Carol discovers her father’s role in corrupt military science and bails on Starfleet and Kirk but not before getting pregnant with David. Movie closes with the awakening of Khan. Sequel is set.

The End.

64. Aurore - March 22, 2013

“Trekmovie is effectively undermining the official information that Paramount and Bad Robot is putting out there — and creating all of this uncertainty.”
________

With all due respect, in my opinion, this very site creates uncertainty only from the perspective of fellow fans who believed the site’s reliable sources were providing accurate information, regarding the villain’s identity, some time ago.

I did not. ‘Still do not.

In any case, soon, we will know exactly who John Harrison is.
Patience is a virtue, so they say.

I don’t mind waiting to find out more about John Harrison.
Besides……It is a fact that… I have no other choice.

:)

65. dmduncan - March 22, 2013

60. Aurore – March 22, 2013

Coffins with viewing windows do exist.

According to some fans, as you know, they ( the “cryo tubes” ) could be something similar to what, apparently, happened in one of the episodes of a Star Trek series where people were frozen until medicine could help them.

***

1. Of course there are always exceptions. I even remember a glass casket in Dracula, I think it was. But generally they do not have them, and in that picture there are LOADS of them, which seems to indicate the rule over the exception, for whatever type of device it is that we are seeing there.

2. A device “where people were frozen until medicine could help them” would be a cryo tube! Whether you put someone to sleep so that they could cross the distances between stars or so that they could get medical attention, it’s doing what a cryo-chamber does!

66. dmduncan - March 22, 2013

64. Aurore – March 22, 2013

With all due respect, in my opinion, this very site creates uncertainty only from the perspective of fellow fans who believed the site’s reliable sources were providing accurate information, regarding the villain’s identity, some time ago.

I did not. ‘Still do not.

***

I also so not.

Peter Weller was supposed to be a CEO.

He ain’t.

And it’s difficult to solve the mystery when the information is wrong. Crap in, crap out.

But this is a reminder about why we always need to be skeptical of these shadowy sources.

Something I have never forgotten, or I would have committed myself to a particular theory by now.

Except April Theory.

I would never commit myself to THAT one.

:-)

67. dmduncan - March 22, 2013

so = do

68. Johnny - March 22, 2013

From Trekmovie’s April 30th, 2012 article:

“TrekMovie was first in reporting that Benedict Cumberbatch had joined the Star Trek sequel cast, to play a villain (originally a role offered to Benecio del Toro). A few outlets have also reported (including today’s AICN) that this villain was Trek’s most famous bad guy – the exiled Eugenics War leader Khan Noonien Singh (originally played by Ricardo Montalban). TrekMovie has also confirmed this with a number of sources so we no longer consider it to be a rumor. Khan is back in 2013, however sources indicate that the film is not a rehash of “Space Seed,” the original Star Trek episode where Kirk and crew first encounter the genetic superman from the past.”

Let me repeat this part: “Trekmovie has also confirmed this with a number of sources so WE NO LONGER CONSIDER IT TO BE A RUMOR.”

Trekmovie says Benedict Cumberbatch is Khan, Paramount/Bad Robot say he’s John Harrison. We can, of course choose not to believe Trekmovie’s “sources”, but the wording of the article is very, very strong. “We no longer consider it to be a rumor.” Trekmovie essentially reported that it’s a FACT that Cumberbatch is playing Khan.

69. Daniel Broadway - March 22, 2013

Perhaps this would have been the post credits scene?

http://i.imgur.com/hT93Ex8.jpg

Heh. :P

70. Josh C. - March 22, 2013

“Pretty simple. Starfleet tinkers with Augments for secret division – maybe Section 31 – managed by Admiral Marcus. Cumby, an enhanced agent, goes rogue and takes revenge on Starfleet. Travels to retrieve Khan and the botany bay crew who were discovered by Klingons in this universe. Carol discovers her father’s role in corrupt military science and bails on Starfleet and Kirk but not before getting pregnant with David. Movie closes with the awakening of Khan. Sequel is set.”

Other than the fact that this doesn’t match anything we actually know about the movie, it sounds good.

71. Aurore - March 22, 2013

“1. Of course there are always exceptions. I even remember a glass casket in Dracula, I think it was. But generally they do not have them, and in that picture there are LOADS of them, which seems to indicate the rule over the exception, for whatever type of device it is that we are seeing there.”
_______

The place where they are located could be a morgue.
The windows could help for identification.
Don’t you think it is possible?

“2. A device “where people were frozen until medicine could help them” would be a cryo tube! Whether you put someone to sleep so that they could cross the distances between stars or so that they could get medical attention, it’s doing what a cryo-chamber does!”

Of course.

I am afraid my bias is showing…AGAIN…. (almost) any time anyone say “cryo pods/tubes”, I can be quick to wrongly assume that they,somehow, have a Botany Bay/Khan story to sell, as it were .

But, that is not what you were doing, here.

I’m sorry.

:)

P.S. : To be fair, concerning Peter Weller, I seem to remember that although his character was described as being a “CEO”.
About his role, he once stated “….Let me put it this way. I have my own ship.”

I guess he could not go into details, at the time. But, I personally think he still managed to say a lot, in his own way.
Not to mention that some fans hypothesized that by CEO, Mr. Weller’s agent had probably meant to say “CEO-type character”, i.e.; some kind of leader.

Which Admiral Marcus appears to be.

72. Aurore - March 22, 2013

“Let me repeat this part:“’Trekmovie has also confirmed this with a number of sources so WE NO LONGER CONSIDER IT TO BE A RUMOR.’”
______________

“So maybe TrekMovie and the other sites are all wrong and Khan is not in the film (and I admit this is entirely possible). I have also noted that reports of Khan are still officially rumors from Paramount’s point of view.”

http://trekmovie.com/2012/05/10/orci-star-trek-sequel-is-not-remake/

“Officially everything regarding the plot or new characters for the sequel are rumors from Paramount’s perspective. So yes it is possible Cumberbatch is playing Khan, or Mitchell or even some other character.”

http://trekmovie.com/2012/07/09/karl-urban-reveals-cumberbatch-star-trek-sequel-character/

Those were posted after the article mentioned @68.

From my perspective they amount to a “retraction” of sorts.

Thus, unless Paramount confirms otherwise, or until I see the movie and find out that John Harrison is Khan in disguise…

….The “Khan confirmation article”, to me, was nothing but a report on a rumour ….from the start.

73. dmduncan - March 22, 2013

71. Aurore – March 22, 2013

The place where they are located could be a morgue.
The windows could help for identification.
Don’t you think it is possible?

***

For military or paramilitary outfits, a window onto the face is not always the best way of identifying someone because of the number of horrible ways people can die in adventurous military units. That’s why we have dogtags.

By the 23rd century it would be even less necessary to visually identify the remains.

74. Johnny - March 22, 2013

@72

Yes, they may have sort of retracted… or more accurately “backpedaled”… but that doesn’t change the fact that Trekmovie was SO confident in their reporting that they used the words “Trekmovie has CONFIRMED” and “WE NO LONGER CONSIDER IT TO BE A RUMOR”.

So they reported that it’s a FACT Cumberbatch is Khan, then backpedaled, then reported his official name, John Harrison.

Lots of uncertainty here. People are going to go into the film with lots of unnecessary questions on their minds.

75. dmduncan - March 22, 2013

But, you know, we are not peeking into a movie about the real 23rd century, and it is impossible to assume that whoever designs these things will agree with your opinion when they are designing them. In a piece of art, anything is possible.

76. Aurore - March 22, 2013

71. Aurore – March 22, 2013

“For military or paramilitary outfits, a window onto the face is not always the best way of identifying someone because of the number of horrible ways people can die in adventurous military units. That’s why we have dogtags.

By the 23rd century it would be even less necessary to visually identify the remains.”
_________

Thank you for your answer, dmduncan.

“But, you know, we are not peeking into a movie about the real 23rd century, and it is impossible to assume that whoever designs these things will agree with your opinion when they are designing them. In a piece of art, anything is possible.”

Indeed.

But, I liked your answer, for I wanted a “real” answer.
I wanted to know if you thought it would be possible (in the real 23rd century).

77. dmduncan - March 22, 2013

76. Aurore – March 22, 2013

” I wanted to know if you thought it would be possible (in the real 23rd century).”

***

Well, you know how these things can go. If we keep progressing technologically, requirements will be very different then than they are now.

But so many things can go wrong. Master Yoda says:

“The dark side clouds everything. Impossible to see, the future is.”

78. Johnny - March 22, 2013

The cyro-tubes are really the only irrefutable piece of evidence pointing towards Khan. They do look like cyro-tubes rather than coffins — because the windows look pretty frosty, don’t they?

So we KNOW that there are cryo-tubes in the movie. How likely it is that they’re from the Botany Bay, is still up in the air.

79. Aurore - March 22, 2013

“….Lots of uncertainty here. ”
______

It happens sometimes in life.
However, in the grand scheme of things, this kind of uncertainty is no big deal, as far as I’m concerned.

“People are going to go into this film with lots of unnecessary questions on their minds.”

I’m not sure the vast majority of people will (have unnecessary questions on their minds).
They do not necessarily follow the online debates some fans do.

In my opinion, if they are intrigued by the trailers, they’ll go see the movie.
If they are not interested they won’t.

80. Anthony Pascale - March 22, 2013

As noted in the article above, TrekMovie reports that have not been confirmed through on the record comments or via seeing official footage (like a press preview) are still “officially” rumors, as is everything that has been reported by anyone that hasn’t been confirmed officially by Paramount or a filmmaker. Acknowledging that is not a retraction, just an observation of fact.

81. Johnny - March 22, 2013

@Anthony

But isn’t that a bit of a contradiction? You have been very clear in stating that anything that isn’t confirmed via press release or footage is still a “rumor”. Yet in that article from last year saying that Cumberbatch is playing Khan, you did write “WE NO LONGER CONSIDER IT TO BE A RUMOR”.

82. Aurore - March 22, 2013

“….Acknowledging that is not a retraction, just an observation of fact.”
______

Yes.

That is why I said that what you acknowledged was “a ‘retraction’ of sorts”.

That is how I chose to view your observation of fact. As a retraction of sorts.

I admit it was due to the fact that what was once considered to be a fact was back to being considered a rumour.

As you know I won’t cry if Khan is not in the sequel.

That is a fact.

:)

83. dmduncan - March 22, 2013

82. Aurore – March 22, 2013

That is funny. :-)

84. John - March 22, 2013

FYI,

Unrelated but STTNG Best of Both Worlds is now showing in Canada as well. Nice to see after having them skip season two.

http://cineplex.com/Movies/MovieDetails/Star-Trek-The-Next-Generation-The-Best-Of-Both-Worlds.aspx?date=2013-4-25&tab=cineplex&loc_cookie=TORONTO+-+ON#Showtimes

85. Bucky - March 23, 2013

Trust Vreenak. He isn’t used often but when he is, Vreenak is the ultimate source for news you can depend on.

86. NuWisdom - March 24, 2013

Here’s a thought: what if it IS true and the debunking sources are merely trying to do damage control on a major leak, and perhaps JJ and crew threatened the Zoo people with a lawsuit and/or prosecution if they didn’t say it was a made-up rumor?

Let it be known though that I didn’t believe the Harry Mudd’s android son angle, but am making a critique based on demonstratable patterns in the Hollywood Machine.

87. Phil - March 25, 2013

@78. Maybe it’s a morgue.

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