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UPDATED: Star Trek App Delivers Interesting New ‘Into Darkness’ Image + 2 New Images From Empire Mag March 24, 2013

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Spoilers,Star Trek Into Darkness , trackback

Paramount’s Star Trek app has delivered a new exclusive photo from Star Trek Into Darkness. The new image is revealed if you complete a mission scanning the new cast photo cover of Empire Magazine. Check it out below. Warning for Possible spoilers. UPDATE: 2 new images from Empire Mag added.

 

UPDATE: New Images From Empire

Empire Magazine has shared two new exclusive Star Trek Into Darknesss images from their new JJ Abrams May Issue. Here they are…


Kirk, Spock and Uhura on Qo’noS (click to enlarge)


Uhura holding a Klingon disruptor (click to enlarge)

 

Original Article

 

New Into Darkness Image From Star Trek App

The new image features Dr. Carol Marcus (Alice Eve), Scotty (Simon Pegg), Dr. McCoy(Karl Urban) and Kirk (Chris Pine). They are all looking up as something is being lowered down.


New Star Trek Into Darkness image delivered by Star Trek app (click to enlarge)

The thing being lowered down has some markings, including "MC-9321" and "PHOT1093" along with a "NO STEP" warning. It is possible this is a Photon torpedo.


Detail on new image

UPDATE: And on the side can barely make out "CVN-65" which happens to be the designation for the US Navy’s USS Enterprise aircraft carrier, which was recently inactivated.


CVN-65 – aka real "USS Enterprise"

If it is a photon torpedo, it is possible that it has something to do with Eve’s Dr. Marcus. In an interview last year Eve revealed that her character was a ‘weapons expert.’ Of course in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, Dr. Carol Marcus was a scientist who developed the "Genesis Device" which was able to terraform planets. In Star Trek III, Klingon commander Kruge referred to the Genesis Device as the "Genesis Torpedo."


Genesis device in Star Trek II

 

For more on the new app visit StarTrekMovie.com/app.

Thanks to Twitter fans and readers for spotting the CVN

Comments

1. JGC - March 24, 2013

Nice!

2. Snugglepuff - March 24, 2013

Ever since I updated the app I can’t get it to work no matter how many times I restart my phone =(

3. bradley1701 - March 24, 2013

Genesis device!

4. Thomas Evans - March 24, 2013

Where’s Spock i wonder?

5. David - March 24, 2013

@ Bradley 1701

Just ..no… You’re about 15 years too early.

It’s obviously a Photon torpedo.

6. CAPT KRUNCH - March 24, 2013

It’s fancy for a photorp!…. This is exciting getting these pics as the movie draws near!

7. RobA - March 24, 2013

A winch lowering the device, a guard standing around with a cap and a weapon in an actual holster… seems like it could be a shot from ST:Enterprise.

8. crazydaystrom - March 24, 2013

Whatever it is it seems more original Battlestar Galactica-y than Star Trek-y, to me. Just sayin’.

9. Bob Tompkins - March 24, 2013

2- The iOS version is buggy, I have pretty much just given up on it.
It had a bug for awhile where you could push 2 buttons and get a sweepstakes entry, as many as you could handle in a day.
I probably entered 200- 300 times on the day I was snowed in and the Dish was out.

10. bradley1701 - March 24, 2013

@ David

I don’t buy that. This is an alternate timeline/universe from the prime universe that we watched which means technology could advance slower or faster or the same rate of what we saw through the episodes and movies. JJ’s Enterprise is already more advanced from what we can see than the one in TWOK or any of the TOS movies.

11. endeavour crew - March 24, 2013

They are looking up as the new Emperor’s shuttle enters the landing bay.

Oh no wait- that’s Episode VII………..

12. Joe - March 24, 2013

the android pad that i have won’t even let me download it.

13. Flake - March 24, 2013

Genesis Torpedo :P

Oh god someone saying it looks like BSG now! :P

We should stick with the plywood sets & objects constructed using 1960s carpentry.

14. Flake - March 24, 2013

Actually I wonder if this is just nuTrek version of a photon torpedo?

15. Jason Buffalo - March 24, 2013

Maybe not a point here, but if you look at the Trailers where the Enterprise is Damaged coming down to a planet, the Sections that got hit are very likely the same kind of attack Kahn did in TWOK, besides Kirk did said something in TWOK , something like this looks particular and went to yellow alert, in other words i think the Star Ship that crashes into SF Bay, is commanded by Harrison like Kahn Commanded the Reliant, so i would not be surprised if this device is some kind of Weapon of Mass Destruction like the Genesis Device.

16. Ahmed - March 24, 2013

If the “Genesis device” is already being lowered, what they are looking up at ?

17. ScottC - March 24, 2013

It looks more like something of a “scientific” nature than a war-like photon torpedo. It obviously has something to do with why Dr. Marcus is on the ship.

18. crazydaystrom - March 24, 2013

LOL!!
Really appreciate the update photo Anthony! LOL!!!

19. Flaming Nacelles Forever - March 24, 2013

Lets all engage in wild speculation.

Which is exactly what they intended.

If it turns out to be all the things we’re talking about, it’s going to be a bit of a disappointment.

20. 750 Mang - March 24, 2013

Carol Marcus is a weapons expert? fml

21. Flux Conundrum - March 24, 2013

Due to Vulcan being destroyed maybe they advanced the Genesis Project to help with terraforming a new Vulcan homeworld.

22. Harry Seldom - March 24, 2013

Are we sure that’s Urban/McCoy? I couldn’t be sure.

- Harry

23. JohnRambo - March 24, 2013

“real “USS Enterprise”………….real? they stole the name!

24. NCC-73515 - March 24, 2013

Obviously a class III, IV, or VI probe, following the TNG Manual
http://www.starbase400.org/bravofleet/probes.htm

25. Harry Ballz - March 24, 2013

Carol Marcus is a weapons expert?

Hey, she can play with my……….uh, no, wait…….I don’t want to be slapped by the Thought Police!

26. Curious Cadet - March 24, 2013

@10. bradley1701,
“This is an alternate timeline/universe from the prime universe that we watched which means technology could advance slower or faster or the same rate of what we saw through the episodes and movies.”

While that’s true, her son David was instrumental in the coming to fruition of the Genesis device. Certainly others could get involved to take his impetuous place, but I just don’t see the motivation in this reality.

Carol Marcus has been described as a weapons expert. As such, she is unlikely building terra forming devices. While such technology would be helpful following the destruction of Vulcan, unless this was the unlikely intended purpose of the device to begin with, id have a hard time believing they were ready with this technology within a year.

I also have a problem with the Federation building a planet destroying device as a weapon. Not that it isn’t possible, just very un-useful in their defense or offense. Granted anything is possible and is could be Starfleets response to Nero, mirroring our 1980s nuclear proliferation doomsday scenarios.

Finally “PHOT” seems to be pretty obvious. However, that does not mean it isn’t being specially modified to address some sort of quandary Harrison poses, in the way Spock and Bones modified the photon torpedo with gas sensing capabilities in TUC.

But Genisis device? As long as we’re speculating based on unlikely scenarios, you could also say that this is Gary Mitchell’s recovered burial photon torpedo from the IDW comic.

27. Tin-plated overbearing, swaggering dictator with delusions of godhood - March 24, 2013

@24 While I’m not sure the prop designers referenced that website in order to determine how to model a probe, I do agree that is likely what the object is…

A photon torpedo would probably not have such extensive numbering, designations, etc.

28. Tin-plated overbearing, swaggering dictator with delusions of godhood - March 24, 2013

@26 Agreed on David’s role in the Genesis Project. He was the one who included proto-matter in the matrix, which made the device functional. So no David, no Genesis Device. Logically…

29. GordonShumway - March 24, 2013

Oh right… the Keenser-scene. The german TV-magazine “TV Spielfilm” (7/13) describes it like this: “Two giant torpedos hanging from a crane dangerously unstable. While crewmembers are busy, a little alien wanders around and sits down on a torpedo. Dialogue: ‘Captain, I cannot allow to transport those weapons, until I know what they are!’ – ‘But I need those weapons’, Captain Kirk says, wearing an elegant grey jumpsuit. ‘Photonentorpedos use fuel. I need to know the exact formula’ says Scotty. Then Scotty walks towards the alien and says: ‘And you! Get down!’”

30. NCC-73515 - March 24, 2013

Not that particular website of course, the images and specs are originally from the TNG Technical Manual (Okuda/Sternbach) ;)
Which would be a very nice nod to them!

31. 750 Mang - March 24, 2013

Vulcans are carnivores in the new universe too. Kirk’s daddy dying made them want steak.

32. scotchyscotchscotch - March 24, 2013

#10 vs. #28

Perfect point counterpoint. I want to believe 28 but I think all bets are off in the JJverse.

33. flo - March 24, 2013

it looks like a toy from mattel’s tyco r/c or so…

34. Curious Cadet - March 24, 2013

@27. Tin-plated overbearing, swaggering dictator with delusions of godhood,
“A photon torpedo would probably not have such extensive numbering, designations, etc.”

That’s a good point.

While I can Google plenty of torpedoes with markings, none are quite so elaborate. This does appear to be perhaps a craft designed to do more than just explode on impact. Although, it is likely Eve would be weaponizing it if so.

On the other hand, given Orci’s destiny obsession, it may also be the start of Marcus getting back onto her original path eschewing weapons.

“PHOT” is a tough label to overcome however as to the original intent of the device.

35. Anthony Pascale - March 24, 2013

Updated article with two new images from EMPIRE.

36. Robman007 - March 24, 2013

Perhaps these are responsible in some form or fashion for the heavy damage and escape of Harrison from the Enterprise.

37. Tin-plated overbearing, swaggering dictator with delusions of godhood - March 24, 2013

@36 Weapons expert…”Detonates” the fleet…makes sense.

38. Mad Mann - March 24, 2013

I’m digging the look of the Klingon Disrupter. It definitely is based on the original design.

39. Exverlobter - March 24, 2013

Looks like Uhura is getting much of the action (she’s also on the poster). However, I would have preferred Judge Dredd to pick up some of the bad guys, lol.

40. Tin-plated overbearing, swaggering dictator with delusions of godhood - March 24, 2013

“Our leaders have fallen” from the trailer…

I’m thinking this is in reference to a moral failure, not a physical one (death). Something is corrupt in Starfleet methinks.

41. Weerd1 - March 24, 2013

Maybe the JJVerse actually allows for photons that can track targets.

As far as the Federation not building planet destroying devices, James Blish had no issue with it in his original adaptations of the classic series. The Enterprise is carrying “Planet Busters” in his adaptation of “Operation Annihilate!”. Please keep in mind in this universe you have a Federation that spent 25 years thinking the Romulans were tooling round with five-mile long starships capable of taking out Starfleet vessels at a whim. That may have had an effect on how the Federation feels about weapons of mass destruction.

42. Red Dead Ryan - March 24, 2013

The two new images look like stills from “Star Trek: Black Hawk Down”. :-)

Anyway, Section 31, as shown during “Deep Space Nine”, was willing to create a virus to infect the Founders/Changlings so that they would die and the Dominion would fall. The use of genocide isn’t outside the realm of possibility for the Federation, so I don’t think they’d have a problem with creating planet-or-fleet destroying weapons.

There would obviously be an arms race between the three main Alpha/Beta Quadrant powers, and the Federation would need a potential deterrant against the Romulans and Klingons.

Section 31 would have no qualms about using such a weapon should they feel the need arise….

43. Pilot - March 24, 2013

Inactivated ? New word?…

44. Optimistic Doodle - March 24, 2013

No logo or drawing, on that ‘MarCus’-9321 PHOT1093 ?

45. J - March 24, 2013

@7: good points… unfortunately.

46. Jason Buffalo - March 24, 2013

When you look closely to the top new Pic you see a dead Klingon on the Floor , can it be that John Harrison is Saving Kirk and CO from the Klingon’s,
instead of Hunting them, then this could also mean that John Harrison could be a genetic altered Klingon Spy “Trouble with Tribble’s” , because to be honest i have still not a single glue why he is on Qo’noS in the first place.

47. Tin-plated overbearing, swaggering dictator with delusions of godhood - March 24, 2013

@7 @45 You mean like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlqErSr6Rjw

48. Chris Pike - March 24, 2013

so in this time line we not only don’t have hi tech aluminum based transparent material instead of glass shattering everywhere, but no anti grav clamps and have to use old tech winches….what happened to futuristic sci-fi, has that now out of fashion or something I’m missing?

49. Trek Fan - March 24, 2013

I think Anthony is just fueling rumors now with his speculation of it being the genesis device. Sometimes a photon torpedo is just a photon torpedo!

I’m more curious as to why it has the CVN-65 from the real life Enterprise on it.

50. Curious Cadet - March 24, 2013

@46 Jason Buffalo,
“because to be honest i have still not a single glue why he is on Qo’noS in the first place.”

Well it could be a new reason completely unrelated to the first film, or it could be directly related to the first film, considering this one admittedly deals with the issues raised in the first film.

The Klingons have a database amassed from holding Nero’s ship for 25 years. Technology that would help anyone in their quest to stop nefarious factions within the Federation, or prevent them from acquiring it.

That’s one extremely plausible reason.

The other of course likely has something to do with Klingons supplying weapons to April’s enemies in his private little war. Either way, Harrison has a reason to go there to stop or obtain something.

There’s a lot of backstory involving the Klingons in the comics, which given their presence in the film must surely come into play, and see are the scenarios presented there.

51. Curious Cadet - March 24, 2013

@48 Chris Pike,

Who said transparent aluminum couldn’t shatter? Who said it is used in every application we use for glass now? We see an anti-grav gurney, so the technology exists, but surely there are situations for which it is not appropriate? Like, if this is a live torpedo and anti-grav might trigger an explosion, or it’s too risky to use on such a volatile device in the event it fails. I don’t recall ever seeing anybody walking under someone suspended by anti-grav. I’m sure it has its safety protocols and limitations just like we do with heavy machinery today.

52. dmduncan - March 24, 2013

Hey, note to whoever got “CVN-65″ out of that horribly blurred image—

I’ve got photos of General Roger Ramey kneeling over some Roswell radar target debris, and holding a telegram which I’d like you to blow up and read.

53. porthoses bitch - March 24, 2013

Two things the upper fin kinda sorta looks like what we’ve been calling “cryo tube” all this time. Might this be our first good look?

Also fanzs in the uk are say the trio pick is a spoiler as to the background..only thing I make out is some “rusty wreckage”. Any thoughts ?

54. Elias Javalis - March 24, 2013

The first picture reminds me Gears of War!! :)

55. psb2009 - March 24, 2013

My guess is that it’s a one man ship or escape pod type of thing. Maybe for some underwater use? The “no step” caution is something you usually see on planes or boats, where they guide the pilot and others as to where it is safe to stand.

56. porthosesbitch - March 24, 2013

@ 55 or more commonley the top step of a ladder.

Whatever the thing is it has fins so its intention is to be used in atmosphere…. to quote Twok ” the device is delivered.”

Might Carol Marcus be the designer of the volcano killer the Spock uses? Kinda jells with David’s line of thought the Starfleet wanted Genesis as a weapon.

57. ObsessiveStarTrekFan - March 24, 2013

@53. porthoses bitch

They may be referring to the dead Klingon to Spock’s left.

58. sean - March 24, 2013

It looks more like an escape pod or a one person craft than a torpedo.

59. porthoses bitch - March 24, 2013

The device i think it’s inspiration is Mattels toys Colonial Viper from Battlestar Galactica in ’78….. lots of images on google…it also reminds me of the scuba sleds from Thunderball.

60. helen - March 24, 2013

Beginning to think Marcus and her father were working with Khan. Eve’s look towards Cumberbatch (as he’s being scanned by Bones) looks more like attraction and admiration. I wouldn’t be surprised if her father betrays Khan and she takes Khan’s side. Either that or she and father betray Cumberbatch at a later stage and he turns on both of them.

61. helen - March 24, 2013

I also think Uhura will die in this film so Bones can get more of the action in the third film.

62. For Whatever It's Warped - March 24, 2013

Advanced weaponry would ABSOLUTELY be numbered and its specific unit serial / production number would appear in several locatins on the device –not only to make them easier to inventory, but also to permit forensic reconstruction in the event that, say, one was used in an unauthorized attack (“Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country”, anyone?) Think about automobile VINs, NTSB air crash investigations, NASA’s efforts to reconstruct the shuttles Challenger and Columbia… Not to mention, the military’s multilayered bureaucratic and accounting structure, requiring that EVERY BULLET be tracked…. How many more levels of administrative accountability must experimental armaments require?

63. Tin-plated overbearing, swaggering dictator with delusions of godhood - March 24, 2013

@60, 61 Go home, Helen. You’re drunk.

64. dep1701 - March 24, 2013

Why is it that they can make a cool but entirely recognizable update to the original Klingon disruptor from TOS ( as being held by Uhura above ), yet they didn’t do a similar update honoring the original Starfleet equipment designs ( the phaser pistols in particular ) in the2009 film?

65. Tin-plated overbearing, swaggering dictator with delusions of godhood - March 24, 2013

@64 Why does it need to be honored?

66. porthoses bitch - March 24, 2013

To Quote Troi…”timeline smimeline who cares about the timeline”

In tnis universe did the events of ST IV happen ? In other words did Kirk prime and Spock prime visit San Fran . And kidnap George and Gracie?

67. For Whatever It's Worfed - March 24, 2013

No. Not yet, anyway. But it’s likely that humpback whales are extinct.

68. Ashley - March 24, 2013

@20 In the prime timeline we know little about Carol Marcus and her past. It makes sense she could have a past expertise with torpedoes, and that she put that knowledge into designing the genesis device as a torpedo-like delivery package.

Also, just a guess. I think they’re looking up at Spock who’s talking to them from an upper walkway.

69. Tin-plated overbearing, swaggering dictator with delusions of godhood - March 24, 2013

@68 I also figured they were either looking up at someone talking to them or watch another object being lowered down. The discrepancy between the uniforms is interesting as well.

70. Phaser on overload for mj where the son don't shine. - March 24, 2013

Energize.

71. Captain, USS Northstar - March 24, 2013

@48 — sometimes old-fashioned, low-tech solutions are the best.

@29 — that’s an interesting article you referenced. Can you tell us more?

72. Thomas - March 24, 2013

60. helen – March 24, 2013
“Beginning to think Marcus and her father were working with Khan. Eve’s look towards Cumberbatch (as he’s being scanned by Bones) looks more like attraction and admiration. I wouldn’t be surprised if her father betrays Khan and she takes Khan’s side. Either that or she and father betray Cumberbatch at a later stage and he turns on both of them.”

I went back to look at that screenshot and to me Carol Marcus’ expression is from admiring; she actually looks rather accusatory.

73. Thomas - March 24, 2013

Sorry, I meant write “…(her) expression is far from admiring.”

74. NCC-73515 - March 24, 2013

Pink on white is a weird color scheme for Starfleet XD
Oh, and is the disruptor no longer thumb-operated?

75. cpelc - March 24, 2013

Set photos of Urban filming Human pilot from JJ and JH Wyman http://yvrshoots.com/2013/03/shoot-karl-urban-minka-kelly-film-tv-pilot-human-in-vancouvers-business-district.html

76. Govna - March 24, 2013

What’s spoilery about this? Nothing and spoiled and nothing can even be particularly inferred from the torpedo or it’s markings. I guess what I’m asking is, “why do these new images get more emphasis than other new images?”. Seems like this should just another simple “new images released” article.

Am I missing something?

77. Dude Against Telephoto Paparazzi - March 24, 2013

MC. Stands for “Mightbe Canon”….considering all the misdirection we’ve been given so far. Pffffft!

78. crazydaystrom - March 24, 2013

64. dep1701 –
“Why is it that they can make a cool but entirely recognizable update to the original Klingon disruptor from TOS ( as being held by Uhura above ), yet they didn’t do a similar update honoring the original Starfleet equipment designs ( the phaser pistols in particular ) in the2009 film?”

Yeah. Really am not a fan of the new phasers. Those, engineering and the E design are my biggest issues with JJ’s Trek.

79. Vultan - March 24, 2013

That’s not a torpedo. That’s not Genesis.

That’s the Carol Marcus underwear collection!
In stores this spring.

80. Keachick - March 24, 2013

What is with the change in uniforms? In some scenes in the trailers we see all the characters in their colourful (TOS) uniforms and then, in other scenes, the same people looking overdressed in these boring grey uniforms which look like they would be overly hot to wear and sweat inducing. Why is Scotty in his Engineers red while Kirk and McCoy are in the greys? Carol Marcus looks like she is just wearing overalls.

81. Tin-plated overbearing, swaggering dictator with delusions of godhood - March 24, 2013

@80 Read previous comments. Already mentioned.

82. Ed - March 24, 2013

@64,

Actually they did… for the Kelvin crew. :p

83. Pensive's Wetness - March 24, 2013

@ all those folks claiming that object can’t be a torpedo, BECAUSE of the markings on it… enlisting the armed forces, become Aviation Ordinance trained and then tell me, again, that object can’t be a Torpedo, because missles and bombs in the real world, don’t have markings…

http://www.whq-forum.de/cms/175.0.html

*Rant Off* derp.

it’s probably not Genesis… but who knows. the destruction of Vulcan certainly would green light any efforts that would have resulted in Genesis. the question begs however is, who controls that research? maybe having Carol Marcus is a teaser to why Harrison is so pissed at the UFP. They did something f’ed up, morally (maybe something to the Klingons?) and Harrison takes GREAT exception to it…

84. TrekMadeMeFat - March 24, 2013

That’s not your run of the mill photon torpedo.

I’d call that a Carol Marcus Special.

Why, hello Mr. Khan.

Seems you’re still the frontrunner with less than two months to go.

85. Trek Fan - March 24, 2013

84. TrekMadeMeFat
“Why, hello Mr. Khan.
Seems you’re still the frontrunner with less than two months to go.”

Hmmm… not really. There has been virtually no Khan talk for awhile now – not until Anthony fueling rumors again with his speculation.

I highly doubt that this is a Khan or Khan inspired movie. Nothing in it shows that anymore. It’s more likely to be Harry’s Mudd’s son than Khan! LoL

86. Sebastian S. - March 24, 2013

It is a bit odd that Carol Marcus is a ‘weapons expert’ in this timeline, where as in the ‘prime’ timeline she seems to be a vehement pacifist; even standing up to Starfleet for what she perceived as a military takeover of her civilian Genesis project.

Different timeline; different values, I suppose. I just can’t picture prime Dr. Marcus being a weapons expert; although it does explain the torpedo delivery of the Genesis device (in Wrath of Khan)….

At any rate, the new pics are great. Looking very forward to May! ;-)

87. Ashley - March 24, 2013

@83. I definitely think the Marcus’s (father and maybe daughter) are a prime motivator for Harrison’s attacks, but I doubt there’s anything Genesis related.

88. Harry Ballz - March 24, 2013

I hate it when they show us torpedoes! It really spoils everything! What can I say, but…

DAMN THE TORPEDOES!

89. Devon - March 24, 2013

“It is a bit odd that Carol Marcus is a ‘weapons expert’”

It’s a bit odd that you assumed that.

90. JD Kiplinger - March 24, 2013

Khannnnn!!!!!!

91. Jack - March 24, 2013

What does Khan have to do with Genesis? Sure, it kills him in another reality. But why would *this* Khan have anything to do with genesis. Unless our writers lack imagination (and use destiny and QM as an excuse)…

92. Josh C. - March 24, 2013

@84 – I’m not sure why this…whatever it is…is any more evidence of khan than Marcus being in the movie to begin with. There is nothing about it that makes khan any more or less likely

@86 – remember this is like 20 years earlier. She could very well have been a weapons expert then turned pacifist

I tend to doubt this is Genesis. While anything is possible, nothing we’ve seen even hints at that, and I think we have a good idea of the GENERAL flow of the movie, and while it could still fit in, it seems like something they would shoehorn.

I tend to agree that it may be some form of adapted torpedo or probe, though

93. ObsessiveStarTrekFan - March 24, 2013

@89 Devon

That has previously been reported on this site:
http://trekmovie.com/2012/12/14/into-darkness-london-event-w-burk-cumberbatch-eve-new-character-details-runtime-photos-video/

Carol Marcus is a weapons expert in this timeline.

94. filmboy - March 24, 2013

Eh, the more I see from this film, be it images and interviews, the more I am starting to fear we are due for some rehash and reincorporation of both Space Seed and TWOK, with some Star Trek III thrown in for good measure.

Carol Marcus, Khan, Augments, Enterprise crash landing, possible Genesis Device….I don’t know it all sounds so easy from a screenwriting perspective. I don’t know but I personally was not looking for a “greatest hits” film with STID. I wanted something new and original, something that stays true to what Star Trek is and also pushes things into new areas. From what I have seen so far it just doesn’t seem to be the case here.

One of the bloggers on AICN lamented the lack of any sort of “Trekking” in JJ’s Star Trek. I tend to agree. The whole idea of space exploration and more importantly the exploration of what it is to be human has been jettisoned in favor of gun fights and space jumps. Where is the exploration? Where are the strange new worlds?

With the alt-universe angle all involved could have went to some really interesting places with this follow up. But it looks like they seem rather fixated on following the Chris Nolan model of filmmaking and reinvent an iconic villain from Trek’s past.

I love Cumberbatch and am excited by what he may bring to this film. But if he is indeed Khan and the story that is told is undewhelming, I will be disappointed. If you must bring back Khan, then ok. But you better have a damn good story to tell with him. Otherwise, what is the point?

Just telling the truth ladies and gentlemen. I am still on board and will see it opening day, but wih many reservations.

95. ObsessiveStarTrekFan - March 24, 2013

The Nero incursion into this alternative timeline will have had far reaching ramifications. We may be lulled into thinking not much is different – the Enterprise crew (the 7 anyway) is still together, albeit earlier – but other things could be quite different.

There are the most obvious things: Kirk grew up without a father; Spock and Uhura are romantically involved; Vulcan has been destroyed. However there are other effects as well: a greater emphasis on xenolinguistics in communications (Uhura couldn’t speak Klingon properly in ST VI); Carol Marcus in Starfleet (she wasn’t in the prime timeline); Mudd has (apparently) a part-Bajoran daughter…

What else is different that we haven’t noticed yet? Just because something happened a certain way in the prime timeline in no way guarantees it will happen in a similar way in the alternative timeline. And just because something different happens in the alternative timeline doesn’t mean that the producers/director/writers/cranky-TOS-fans’-whipping-boy-de-jour got it wrong. It just means the timelines are DIFFERENT. Get over it.

Is it May yet?

96. Josh C. - March 24, 2013

@94 – as far as I can tell, only evidence that this is the genesis device is that the poster put a picture of it up.

Hell, it was the Klingons who referred to it as the “genesis torpedo” to begin with. The device itself, clearly, wasn’t one.

Does that mean its NOT genesis? No, I can’t disprove it. On the other hand, we have NO evidence on what it is or is not. In fact, Marcus being a weapons expert would tend to suggest its NOT genesis.

97. Tin-plated overbearing, swaggering dictator with delusions of godhood - March 24, 2013

@94 There was no “trekking” in any previous Star Trek movie. You can’t explore new worlds in 120 minutes and spend over $100 mliion. Just give up that argument, please…for the needs of the intelligent few.

98. Curious Cadet - March 24, 2013

@55. psb2009,
” it’s a one man ship or escape pod type of thing.”

It is interesting that McCoy is in on this. Granted he tends to stick his nose into many places it does not belong. But it is curious.

99. Trek Fan - March 24, 2013

There hasn’t been much “trekking” in most of the movies really. Except Insurrection.

100. Vultan - March 24, 2013

#97

You may want to rewatch the previous Trek movies. All sorts of trekking of strange new worlds/ideas/characters spread throughout those films. Much more than people out for revenge, explosions, etc.

Not to say the good brainy stuff won’t happen in this movie, but it certainly isn’t looking like it from the previews. All the gritty militarism on display here makes Nick Meyer’s Starfleet look like the Boy Scouts.

101. Marja - March 24, 2013

#95, Obsessive, I agree

Phasers – I’m not crazy about the new ones, because they sound so much more like guns, and in this film it looks like they’re all big and scary …

DAMN YOU NERO NOW MY STAR TREK IS ALL DARK AND STORMY

But as you say, Obsessive, EVERYTHING is now different, and I too wish people would stop saying, “but it wasn’t this way in the original timeline.”

Yes. Exactly, it wasn’t. Move on

102. Trek Fan - March 24, 2013

100. Vultan

TMP – They were in VGER but yes, you did see a bit of Vulcan… and earth.
TWOK – Not much exploring, just a revenge thing going on.
TSFS – Exploring Genesis or just trying to stay away from the Kingons?
TVH – Exploring…. earth? In the past.
TFF – Okay, they did explore here. Nimbus and Shakari
TUC – Rura Pente. But was that exploring a strange new world?
Generations – Umm. Madman revenge thing going on.
FC – Exploring…. earth? In the past. Again.
Insurrection – well that was the only real strange new worlds etc,
Nemesis – No exploring. Just a madman seeking revenge.
Trek 09 – You had Vulcan and Earth and Delta Vega.
STID – looks like you will have Kronos and Earth. And who knows where else.

All the series had the explore strange new world… you could do that in a TV series. Hard to do in a movie.

103. Exverlobter - March 24, 2013

There were exactly 2 Trek movies that were about exploration. The Motion Picture and The Final frontier. And they both sucked! Exploration stories are suitable for TV-episodes but not so much for a real movie.

104. Red Dead Ryan - March 24, 2013

The only previous Trek movie that dealt with exploration was “The Motion Picture”. And that movie was panned by the critics and a lot of the audience.

Starting with TWOK, and minus TVH and TFF, all the subsequent movies dealt with bad guys out for revenge, or in pursuit of something powerful.

105. DX7 - March 24, 2013

Just had a thought. Remember the “Attack Pods” from the toy line.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-L9Gy61x7fJY/URe2OGLGFBI/AAAAAAAANFU/lWr8tX0QCmo/s1600/Toy+Fair+Hasbro+Fighter+Pods+USS+Enterprise+attack+pod+launcher.jpg

106. omegaman - March 24, 2013

80.

Could be that a majority of the scenes were they are wearing “grey” uniforms is because…

Those scenes takes place around the time of the funeral scene and also because the Enterprise crew are operating “off book” without Starfleet’s blessing. Same deal as in the TSFS where they are wearing their civvies.

107. 750 Mang - March 24, 2013

Doesn’t this sound more and more like ST09? Villain set on revenge, Kirk stripped of his rank, space jumps?

108. Vultan - March 24, 2013

And I point to Inception, a $100 million movie that made over $800 million, with a complicated heist plot, and with lots of exploration into weird, gravity-defying levels of the subconscious. And oddly enough, a violent, action-packed movie where people shot to death… really aren’t.

Exploration movies are tough to do, sure—but not impossible. If a Trek movie could do something along similar lines, it would definitely be living up to the Trek name in my opinion.

Still holding onto some hope for this one….

109. Trek Fan - March 24, 2013

108. Vultan

Inception was a completely different kind of movie, my friend. That wouldn’t work for a Trek movie. Although they did something similar in a TNG episode with Riker.

110. Exverlobter - March 24, 2013

@ 108 Vultan

Abrams also said that he wanted to make it relevant for a todays audience. And that’s why it seems to deal with aspects of terrorism- things we can relate to nowadays.
When Trek was new in the 60s indeed everything was about exploration (Nasa, Moon landing etc).
But that has cooled down. Society does not care about exploration anymore. Into Darkness seems like an action-packed thrill-ride, but i hope there is also some sort of political message behind it.
Then the film could compensate for not including any exploration-stuff at all.

111. Vultan - March 24, 2013

#109

Uh, I wasn’t suggesting Trek do a mind-freak kind of movie. I was pointing out some of the sci-fi exploration aspects to Inception’s plot. A fictional device takes a crew into the subconscious. A fictional starship takes a crew into deep space. You see?

112. sean - March 24, 2013

#80

Dress uniforms. You can see their regular uniforms through the clear panels on the front.

113. sean - March 24, 2013

#60

Looks more accusatory and disgusted than attracted.

114. Govna - March 24, 2013

@105

Good call. Very similar!

115. Phil - March 24, 2013

Carol Marcus is a weapons expert here. If Genisis was developed as a weapon in this universe, if people are lashing out against the Federation, perhaps we need to consider the possibility that in this universe, maybe it’s the Klingons that are the more democratic peoples here. If the Federation is this militaristic, perhaps we are seeing the early days of the Empire.

Just a thought….

116. Red Dead Ryan - March 24, 2013

Vultan,

I understand what you’re saying. The problem is, “Star Trek” has to bring in the mainstream audience. They aren’t interested (yet) in the type of storytelling you, I and a bunch of others here want to see.

We’ll have to wait for Christopher Nolan’s “Interstellar”, which sounds very promising, and very Trekkish…..

117. Josh C. - March 24, 2013

@111, 116 -

Here is the thing as far as I can see:

Space “exploration” is a pretty worn out genre, largely thanks to 700-something episodes of Star Trek, but also because its a popular genre anyway.

Inception works because its both new and they have CGI to do it.

Frankly, every time Trek has tried to go in “exploration” direction in the movies (TMP, Final Frontier, Generations, Insurrection) the movies get panned.

Meanwhile best received trek movies have either been a movie with a lot of action, a “earth under fire” movie, or both.

I suppose undiscovered country may be exception, but even that ended with a space battle.

In the end, its really how good the writing and story is in the end.

118. MJ - March 24, 2013

@103 “There were exactly 2 Trek movies that were about exploration. The Motion Picture and The Final frontier. And they both sucked! Exploration stories are suitable for TV-episodes but not so much for a real movie.”

Yep. The Final Frontier just plain sucked. TMP was visually stunning and has hard sf elements, but they made it boring somehow.

Avatar and Alien shows how you can do this right. But for Trek, probably better to do the strange new worlds stuff on a TV series given the track record here that we are currently discussing.

119. Vultan - March 24, 2013

#116

Unfortunately, you’re probably right, my friend. We’ll just have to see how well Interstellar does….

Anyway, I’m looking forward to it too! Sounds awesome. I heard Spielberg was originally attached.

120. rogerachong - March 24, 2013

Exploring is for video games when you get bored. I believe. you can do some explring in the new Star Trek game. Anyone suggesting exploring as a focus of a ST movie has to be crazy. Your mind has to reside in a parallel universe, as our good friend Worf from the “Parallels” TNG Episode.

Are you guys for real? Guess what is the #1 song in the USA this week Is it some touching song with a message and insightful lyrics with a catchy hook in the chorus? Is the music in this #1 song unique or interesting? NO NO NO on all counts. There are literally over thousands of songs to choose from yet “Harlem Shake” is #1 in the USA for the past 5 weeks and counting. The “Song” has no lyrics, no melody and no traditional musical instrument sounds. All you need is a computer and a sampler to produce this “song” that is really only a rhythm.

So reality check, no one, not even those commenters, will spend US$180 million producing and US$ 120 million marketing a ST film on that gamble, when we know with 100% surety that said movie will tank at the boxoffice.

JJ Trek rules, Harlem Shake rules and if you don’t like, it you can feel free to jump off the edge of the world. Trust me only your immediate family might really miss you. LLAP and Long Live Nu Trek and Nu Star Wars!!

121. Josh C. - March 24, 2013

@118

I kinda agree and disagree with Avatar. It was, nominally, a “small, powerless/primitive group” vs “big, bad, greedy bad guys” film. Its just that it was set on another planet with a lot of stunning visuals. But it probably doesn’t work without that core conflict.

122. Jackson Roykirk - March 25, 2013

I’d guess that it’s a small-scale prototype of the Genesis device, delivered in a photon torpedo. Small-scale because Dr. Marcus hasn’t had as long to develop it in the alternate timeline. And, since photon torpedoes are warp-capable, they might need to be of a certain size to house their warp sustainer engine. (Yes, the canonical timeline movies depict much smaller and sleeker photon torpedoes, but in the Abrams alternate Trek universe, the Enterprise itself is also vastly bigger, so let’s let it slip, shall we?)

FYI the warp sustainer engine in the photon torpedo allows it to continue traveling at warp speed when launched from a ship already traveling at warp. The launcher tube imparts a “hand-off field” that the sustainer engine can amplify and sustain as it proceeds downrange. If launched from a ship traveling at sublight speeds, the photon torpedo cannot transition to warp speed on its own.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Photon_torpedo

123. The Original Spock's Brain - March 25, 2013

@49. Trek Fan, “I’m more curious as to why it has the CVN-65 from the real life Enterprise on it.”

There’s no “why” to it. It’s just another Easter Egg inserted by the producers with no more purpose than to entertain die-hard fans who make the connection.

124. The Original Spock's Brain - March 25, 2013

@ 122. Jackson Roykirk, Thanks for the background info! Great stuff!

125. The Original Spock's Brain - March 25, 2013

@ 120. rogerachong, Thanks for the reality check! ;-)

126. The Original Spock's Brain - March 25, 2013

@115. Phil, Interesting.

127. Dunsel Report - March 25, 2013

#86: Hmmm, about Carol Marcus being a weapons expert: That’s a good point.

But maybe her experiences in STID change her into the woman we know from “Khan.” Maybe she’s a naive, hawkish Federation patriot who never questions the “homo sapiens only club” until she’s burned by her experiences with Kirk and Starfleet, and then becomes a hippie scientist.

128. The Original Spock's Brain - March 25, 2013

I hate to break it to you: The new movie franchise is going to have to stick to the blockbuster-summer-action-adventure formula. Each movie will have to top the last in the box office to be considered a success. Paramount is about the bottom line. Trekkers and Trekkies were not enough to make Nemesis (a good installment) profitable. That’s the economics.

Leave the “strange new worlds…” for the TV incarnations.

129. Ya ya - March 25, 2013

Do you guys not remember the NCC-1701-D Easter egg in the 2009 movie on Kirk’s bag? (Delta Vega scene w the escape pod)

130. GordonShumway - March 25, 2013

@71: It’s a behind-the-scenes report. A german reporter was visting the set at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LLNL) in May 2012 (last day of shooting, No. 77). No more spoilers.

131. Commodore Adams - March 25, 2013

Agreed, leave the exploration to the TV series. Trek movies were always low budget and never made much in the box office, we are lucky they went on as long as they did. To make a Trek for the fans is not enough anymore, if its going to survive its going to have to make money, which means we as fans are going to have to give up some things for it to continue, the movies have to be big, bombastic, blockbusters. I think a new TV series will also be different than what we are used to, like the battlestar remake but it will be close IMO to the true meaning of Trek than the new motion pictures are. Regardless, I am happy trek continues in whatever form it may take.

132. Star Trek: Nemesis blows, is the point - March 25, 2013

A fictional device taking a crew into subconsciousness is more interesting an idea than a fictional starship taking a crew into deep space.

Just saying.

You’re simply not going to get a highly complex story out of a Star Trek movie. It’s never been made to be like that. Star Trek was pretty straight forward. When the racism issue crops up in various episodes of TOS, they’re not subtle about it – they just had a different way of telling it. Whether it was in the Balance of Terror where they realize Vulcans and Romulans look a like, or in Let This Be Your Last Battlefield with the Cheron natives, you knew they were drawing paralles to racial issues very plainly.

As for Interstellar, that’s so much more 2001ish than Trekkish. Trek was about exploring strange new worlds and civilizations – never about going to the farthest possible reaches of human understanding. In fact, in Q Who, Q points this out. Starfleet was very comfortable in their corner of space, and there really was so much more beyond that. Meanwhile, Star Trek had a limit by default – after all, why would there be a galactic barrier that not even the NCC-1701 could get through?

133. MJ - March 25, 2013

@128. Sorry, but you you lost me (and I expect most of us) when you said, “Nemisis was a good installment.”

LOL

134. MJ - March 25, 2013

“As for Interstellar, that’s so much more 2001ish than Trekkish. Trek was about exploring strange new worlds and civilizations – never about going to the farthest possible reaches of human understanding.”

That is not really true. A number of Trek episodes across the different series hit on “the farthest possible reaches of human understanding.” Obviously, except for TMP, the movies have not.

135. chrisfawkes.com - March 25, 2013

@128
Nemesis was not a good installment and if all trekkers and trekkies had turned out to see it it would have been enough to make a profit.

It was a dog of a film that most fans hated, let alone anyone else.

136. ObsessiveStarTrekFan - March 25, 2013

@135. chrisfawkes.com

I’ll agree with that. I was so disappointed with Nemesis, I only went to see the Star Trek (2009) movie ‘for form’s sake’ because it was a Trek movie. This old time trekkie was pleasantly surprised to watch the first Trek movie in a long while that she actually enjoyed – depite the fact they imploded Vulcan and relocated Delta Vega…

137. gingerly - March 25, 2013

@95

“And just because something different happens in the alternative timeline doesn’t mean that the producers/director/writers/cranky-TOS-fans’-whipping-boy-de-jour got it wrong. It just means the timelines are DIFFERENT. Get over it.”

It simply bears repeating. :)

I just want a good movie.

That’s all. Whether Bones is on promotional material, whether Dr Marcus is a weapons expert, whether any number of changes occur along this timeline…

What is of foremost importance in my mind is the quality of the final product.

138. Chasco - March 25, 2013

#29
Oh good, a Keenser scene. Presumably we’re all supposed to find it hilarious that some idiot alien who has no clue how to behave on a space ship is running around engineering making a nuisance of itself. Oh, and making Scotty look like a clown in the process. Triff. Can’t wait.

139. totally random - March 25, 2013

@95. One important consequence of the Nero incursion that we already know factors into Carol’s early life is that in the “Prime” timeline Robert April’s first officer was George Kirk, and in the new timeline it was Alex Marcus, who is now an Admiral, and might not be if George had survived his service on the Kelvin to serve with April. Granted we have no idea what the Marcus family history was in the Prime timeline, but it is different now from whatever it was before.

140. trek - March 25, 2013

I don’t see carol getting knocked up in JJ Universe

141. Josh C. - March 25, 2013

@139 – speaking of that, and I’m sure this has been brought up before.

It’s clearly been suggested that it’s possible that Harrison’s ship is the “old” Enterprise (not NX-01, but some Constitution-like one pre-current one that April had).

If Admiral Marcus is in on whatever Harrison is doing, AND he “has his own ship” AND his “old” ship was that Enterprise, that would certainly be plausible. Why they would let him keep a decommissioned ship for himself, I don’t know, but maybe that’s Starfleet Commander’s prerogative.

In any case, I do agree that the picture of the – whatever it is – is rather familiar to that KRE-O “attack pod” from @105. Whatever an “attack pod” is.

First gut feeling would be a one-man attack craft, but lack of windows would suggest not. Perhaps it’s a Federation prototype version of Nero’s missiles?

142. falcon - March 25, 2013

Here’s my take …

The “torpedoes” we see in ST09 were not truly “photon” torpedoes, but some sort of particle blast (like a plasma weapon – ironically enough). Phasers are also shown to be bursts of “beams,” so who’s to say both of these weapons are not similar in nature (one is a longer-duration, lower intensity beam and the other is a short burst).

What if what they’re lowering in that pic is truly the first matter/anti-matter, warp-powered photon torpedo? Who’s to say it’s not? We cannot assume that the new JJVerse has the same tech as the prime universe – in fact, since Nero’s incursion set everything on its ear, it’s likely that some of the tech we see in the prime universe’s time has yet to be developed.

Makes as much sense as anything else.

Oh, and Anthony – is there some thought being given to switching over to Disqus?

143. Superquerulant - March 25, 2013

Am I the only one who doubts that this is really Quo`nos were Kirk and Co. are encountering the klingons – Looks much more like a warzone to me…

144. Josh C. - March 25, 2013

@143 – i could be mistaken, but I think official sources have said it’s Qu’nos. Of course, the movie description has called it a “war zone” as well.

Now, whether that’s because Klingons at this time are always fighting among themselves, or whether something happened there…who knows.

It would be cool if they name-dropped Praxis in the movie, though, heh.

145. Tiberius Subprime - March 25, 2013

If Cumberbatch is carrying around April’s gun, as stated previously, some of Harrison’s motivation has to do with this former captain.

(I think that is a photon torpedo in the pic above)

146. Curious Cadet - March 25, 2013

@145 Tiberius,

It’s allegedly called the “April Big Gun”. May or may not be the gun Harrison uses in the trailer, which most likely never belonged to April, but named after him as the inventor, the person who commissioned it, or first notable user of that type of weapon.

And absolutely, Harrison has something to do with April and Admiral Marcus and the Prime Directive, that’s what’s being set up in the countdown prequel, just like Nero’s backstory was set up in the original countdown prequel. Khan has absolutely nothing to do with this story. Nothing about Khan or the augments fit with what is already a complicated backstory which has nothing to do with power thirsty “supermen” from the 1990s.

147. CJS - March 25, 2013

The people inhabiting the alterverse has been set on edge by the destruction of the Kelvin years ago and the recent destruction of Vulcan. That’s why Marcus is a Starfleet weapons expert and not a civilian scientist, people in this version of the Federation are more paranoid and militaristic. The Genesis device created by Carol and David Marcus in the Prime universe was no doubt the result of decades of work by the doctor and her son, but his protomatter additions to the process may have factored more into the creation of a new matter matrix with life generating properties. Carol may have solved the matter destroying phase of the device years earlier and alternate Carol, having this knowledge in a time of crisis, has applied it in creating this new torpedo, a weapon that wipes out all living matter on a planet without the subsequent generation of a new matrix. Harrison has found out about Starfleet’s new Death Star torpedo, and like Kruge has declared the Federation a gang of intergalactic criminals. It’s the Starfleet bureaucracy that’s the villain of the piece.

148. topas - March 25, 2013

Star Trek: The Entropy Effect by Vonda N. McIntyre (1981):

” The lights rose gradually in response to his motion; he (Jim Kirk) was in his cabin, in his ship, he was all right. It was nothing but a nightmare. (…)
That was the most realistic dream he had had in a long time. THE TERRORISM HE HAD SEEN AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF HIS STARFLEET CAREER had haunted him for years, in dreams just like this one.”

149. NuFan - March 25, 2013

Khan takes April’s gun after he kills him. April is the first victim of Khan turning against Marcus and beginning his own plan.

150. Josh C. - March 25, 2013

so are we going to have some lessons learned post after the movie comes out and absolutely no one is even remotely close to being correct?

151. Mad Mann - March 25, 2013

Is that a type of bayonet on the disruptor Uhura is holding? If so, then that’s awesome! I always thought the disruptors should have bayonets since the Klingons are a more blade-centered culture.

I really hope these Klingons are more like the TOS versions and less like the TNG ones.

Kor and Kang and the best klingons are all time. Sorry Worf, but you suck.

152. rm10019 - March 25, 2013

want that Klingon disruptor prop. Hey Art Asylum… get working on it!

153. Robman007 - March 25, 2013

@148…nice. It has been kinda cool to see this film and the last one delve into the realm of the original novels to come up with back story and character names, etc.

154. Casey4147 - March 25, 2013

I recall all the hate towards JJ’s chrome phaser from last movie. Say what you want, but I think they nailed the Klingon Disruptor…

155. SirBroiler - March 25, 2013

46. Enterprise crew pursues Harrison to Qu’nos – he is going there to find S.S. Botany Bay and its crew, who have been discovered by Klingons. We know from ENT that Klingons were already attracted to the concept of augmentation and were experimenting – so it’s also safe to say they would have continued with Khan’s folks if they had been discovered.

156. Tin-plated overbearing, swaggering dictator with delusions of godhood - March 25, 2013

@155 Why would the Klingons have found the Botany Bay?

157. I am not Herbert - March 25, 2013

That disruptor IS pretty sweet… let’s just hope it discharges properly… ;-)

…not like that POS toy chrome “phaser” w/ machine gun fire (eyesroll)

158. John from Cincinnati - March 25, 2013

I don’t like the fact that McCoy has become a minor character in this new universe. In the original, McCoy was part of the Trifecta (Kirk, Spock and McCoy). Spock was the logic, McCoy the emotion and Kirk would balance both. Now, Uhura is a main character. Not as interesting IMO.

159. lotsurb - March 25, 2013

Is it possible that the craft is some sort of coffin (like the torpedo tube) in WoK? For Pike, after the ceremony? That would explain why some are suited up in their dress uniforms (gray) and others are not. Not sure why they would be hauling it some where to shoot into space but who knows?

160. Keachick - March 25, 2013

I have no idea what is being lowered. My question is – why is Dr McCoy there holding some sort of i Pad? This looks like a Weapons/Engineering issue. Unless, of course, Bones is merely hanging out with his buddy, Jim Kirk, but somehow I doubt it, though it may be one of the reasons.

My own speculation is that what John Harrison is doing or threatening is some form of biological warfare against humankind. In order to infect the greatest number of people, he would need an effective delivery system… maybe what we see here is Carol Marcus’s answer and Dr McCoy is there to see that the antidote to whatever Harrison has is correctly placed in this “torpedo” – an antidote which he has been frantically working on developing.

Terrorism can come in various forms.

161. TheWrathOfBong - March 25, 2013

For Keenser’s sake, folks, can we stop dismissing ideas outright just because they don’t line up with the original timeline?

@5 David “Just ..no… You’re about 15 years too early. It’s obviously a Photon torpedo.”

@28 David Miscavige “Agreed on David’s role in the Genesis Project. He was the one who included proto-matter in the matrix, which made the device functional. So no David, no Genesis Device. Logically…”

The ENTIRE REASON that we have two timelines in the first place is because JJ didn’t want to be tied down by existing ST canon. If he decided he wanted to use the Genesis device in this story, do you really think he would choose not to simply because “this is 15 years too early” or “David Marcus included proto-mater that made the device work but he doesn’t exist (yet?) in this timeline”? No, of course not–again, avoiding questions like that is WHY WE HAVE TWO TIMELINES IN THE FIRST PLACE.

I have no idea what this is. But it could absolutely, fully plausibly be the Genesis device.

Maybe in this timeline, the Genesis device was developed earlier thanks to the scans of the future Romulan tech taken by the Kelvin, and Carol’s role as a weapons expert is simply to attach it to a delivery device.

Maybe one of the Kelvin’s science crew decided because of his near-death experience in the Narada incident that he would rather be a researcher than stay on starships and go through something like that again, so he went back to Earth and started working on this two decades before Carol Marcus did in the prime timeline.

Maybe there’s another scientist who in the Prime timeline would have begun the Genesis work but was murdered by an angry co-worker who had been spurned by their lover before they could start it, only in this timeline the lover died on the Kelvin, so she never met or spurned the guy, he never killed the scientist out of pain and rage, and so the scientist, still alive in this timeline, finished the device long before Carol Marcus could get involved–and because Carol’s Uncle Skippy was also killed on the Kelvin (as an ensign who was only assigned there because his big brother was a high-ranking muckety-muck), and her dad Adm. Marcus always blamed himself for helping Skippy be posted there, Carol chose to devote her keen scientific mind to developing weapons to stop madmen like Nero, whereas in the prime timeline Uncle Skippy was the one who inspired her to get into terraforming in the first place after he saw an old episode of Cowboy Bebop (because there’s a big 20th/21st-century Anime subculture at this time).

My point is, with the new timeline, there are untold numbers of explanations, from the simple to the butterfly-effect level convoluted, for how the Genesis device could have been invented decades earlier by different people, despite the numerous inconsistencies with the prime timeline. Again, THAT IS THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE CREATION OF A NEW TIMELINE IN THE FIRST PLACE, so they can start from scratch without having to worry about inconsistencies like these. None of us except boborci know what this is, and to dismiss someone’s speculation outright just because it is inconsistent with something from the prime timeline is just idiotic. Totally and completely idiotic.

162. KD - March 25, 2013

Perhaps whate is being lowered is a droid attack ship of some type? It’s not the genesis device.

163. Oliver - March 25, 2013

@John from Cincinnati-Agree 100% Uhura has always been awesome, and even though I think the S/U relationship is silly, I’ve looked past it. I can deal with them blowing up Vulcan or Spock and Uhura sucking face on the transporter in front of everyone, but you try to break up the impeccable trio of Kirk/Bones/Spock? Are you insane? For the love of God get Bones on one of those posters why don’t ya. By Kirk and Bones where he belongs. Not that I don’t think women or Uhura can kick ass, but if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. K/S/B is legendary and I know many aren’t happy to see their favorite doctor take a back seat.

164. Tin-plated overbearing, swaggering dictator with delusions of godhood - March 25, 2013

@161 It’s not the Genesis Device. I’m outrightly dismissing someone’s poorly conceived speculation. Sue me.

99.9% likely it’s a probe or new type of torpedo. There appears to be engine exhausts on the back there…

165. I am not Herbert - March 25, 2013

…it’s a JJ-verse “bunker buster”, obviously ;-)

don’t forget the insipid 9-11 / terrorism parallels (eyesroll)

166. skulltrail - March 25, 2013

https://securecdn.disqus.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/460/3436/original.jpg

Our beloved and trustful MD is checking our beloved and trustful villain’s blood! Maybe he gave too much of his blood for the transfusion for the child?! :D

167. Tin-plated overbearing, swaggering dictator with delusions of godhood - March 25, 2013

@166 Probably trying to determine blood composition more so than blood level. Something is medically awry with our “villain” :-)

168. skulltrail - March 25, 2013

Remember the Fighting Pod toys?! Posted sometimes ago …

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/805/5117eca94cab22.jpg/

Whatever this is … Photon Torpedo or what else s

169. shawn - March 25, 2013

@ 142

Photon torpedoes existed before this timeline. They were introduce in the tird season of enteprise.

Phaser canons were also introduce in the first season of enterprise.

JJ is a star wars fan and i think hated the continued beam effects.

Well I for a fact miss them… I like the canon short burst style but they should have both… like the Kelvin in ST 2009! I like more the hand phaser effect in enteprise than the abrams movie. It made it different than stwars and thecknology speaking was logical!

After this mega blockbuster (hopefully) Star trek should go back on tv… I for one would change the old formula though, its time to move on and make it 2013 ishhh! I mean in the way the stopry is told! I would see more of the fleet, more of the crew, the lower decks, more action, and keep what made star trek good… storytelling, dilema and family / friendship!

170. PEB - March 25, 2013

I like that she’s a weapons expert. It would really make sense for her to then leave Starfleet (if her “weapon” is used for villanous means) to create a device geared towards life and all things good. I dont expect to see the Genesis device in STID but I do expect by the end of the movie having Carol elude to her desire or plans for a device that could do all of what she hoped the Genesis device could do. It would be a really nice touch for the fans of Trek II.

171. Josh C. - March 25, 2013

I’ll just say this because debating over “Genesis” has gotten as tiresome as debating over Khan:

There is zero reason why this should be genesis. Carol being in this movie has as much bearing on Genesis or Khan being in this movie as much as Kirk doing the Kobayashi Maru had on it in the last movie.

As people point out, the new universe means things can be different and that Genesis could be developed sooner. It also means Carol Marcus can be involved in story lines that have absolutely nothing to do with either Genesis or Khan as well.

172. Dunsel Report - March 25, 2013

#140: Yeah, you can’t really imagine a story where Chris Pine gets Carol Marcus pregnant.

But on the other hand maybe they’ll try to do a “Superman Returns” and make Kirk a father. Part III could come circle to parallel the Baby Kirk stuff from Part I, with Kirk having to make a big decision whether he belongs with the family, or on “that ship up there.”

173. PC3 - March 25, 2013

Perhaps Harrison is just an alias name for April should April have gone through a transporter malfunction such as the one in “The Enemy Within” when Kirk was split into his “good and evil” halves? Is Harrison the “bad/evil” half?

174. Tin-plated overbearing, swaggering dictator with delusions of godhood - March 25, 2013

@173 If that occurred, Kirk would not need to ask Harrison “who are you?”…

175. PC3 - March 25, 2013

@174 If that occurred, Kirk would not need to ask Harrison “who are you?”…

Unless that was a rhetorical question.

176. Skulltrail - March 25, 2013

At the end of the relationship with my former girlfriend I also asked her ” Who the hell are?!” For example, although Gary Mitchell is ruled out; Kirk could have asked that!

177. Keachick - March 25, 2013

I hope there will be a moment or two of quietness in the film, if only to see an exhausted Carol Marcus and Jim Kirk strip off their hot dirty clothes and collapse together on a bed, only to immediately fall asleep. See they did sleep together…:)

Not quite there with the baby making yet…

178. ScottC - March 25, 2013

#161: TheWrathOfBong – March 25, 2013
For Keenser’s sake, folks, can we stop dismissing ideas outright just because they don’t line up with the original timeline?

Well Said!

179. Xeos - March 25, 2013

Butterfly’s wings cause hurricanes and a pebble causes a tsunami, then a massive 24th century Romulan mining ship infused with Borg tech is going to really shake things up!

180. KD - March 25, 2013

How about a drone?

181. Jack - March 25, 2013

The hand phaser beams look ridiculous in phaser fights — remember the scene from conspiracy where Picard takes an eternity to duck out of the way of a beam, which then sets off a firecracker behind him? It looked absurd. Or incredibly slow beams that emit from ridiculous angles so they properly connect between the actor’s prop and the target?

This is a case where ‘how they used to’ isn’t necessarily better. Even the phasers from the TNG ships were absurdly slow.

161. 178. Agreed!

182. The Original Spock's Brain - March 25, 2013

@ 100. Vultan
“You may want to rewatch the previous Trek movies. All sorts of trekking of strange new worlds/ideas/characters spread throughout those films. Much more than people out for revenge, explosions, etc.”

What movies are you watching???

TMP: V’Ger is consuming civilizations looking for daddy/god.
TWOK: Duh!
TSFS: Kruge wants to capture the ultimate weapon.
TVH: The alien probe was boiling the oceans cause we couldn’t speak whale.
Even in TUC, Kirk was the one who wanted revenge.
Generations: Soran destroyed whole solar systems.
FC: Duh!
STI: Ahdar Ru’afo will do whatever to get the fountain of youth.
STN: Shinzon is out to conquer the Alpha Quadrant.

Oh, yeah, lots of x-plo-ray-shion.

183. Jack - March 25, 2013

If it’s the Genesis device or even the proto Genesis device, I’m walking out of the theatre. Because it means they rebooted this thing to tell exactly the same stories again. Carol Marcus should be an interesting character without Genesis.

It would be like showing the Death Star plans (or the holgraphic death star trading card) in attack of the clones, even though it wouldn’t be built for decades, because hey, we’ve got to tie everything together… I’m surprised they didn’t show a quick shot at the end of Sith of child Leia learning how to braid her hair, or maybe turning down a beach vacation because she’s too shy to wear a bikini…

184. Phil - March 25, 2013

@177. Awww, isn’t that sweet. In the midst of tragic and tramatic events the commander takes time to strip down and cuddle with one of his subordinates. Someone’s living their Mary Sue fantasy here….

185. totally random - March 25, 2013

@183. They DID show the Death Star plans in Attack of the Clones. Doku took them (after viewing them) and gave them to Darth Siddious aka Palpatine, and at the end of Revenge of the Sith we see the Death Star under construction and we are supposed to believe it takes another 20 years to finish. And that franchise didn’t even have a reboot or alternate universe to fall back on.

186. Jim Phelps - March 25, 2013

@142

I wonder why the Kelvin lacked photon torpedoes?

187. dswynne - March 25, 2013

I think that if they do a TNG reboot, then that’s where all the exploration should be, Prometheus style (but less dumb action).

188. Clsrk - March 25, 2013

Did anybody consider that Harrison’s most threatening lines might be addressing Klingons? “Walking on your cold corpses”" sounds like the way a human would speak if he wanted a Klingon to respect him. And the commanders cooing something unforgiveanle could also refer to Klingons. Raises some interesting possibilities.

189. Craiger - March 25, 2013

What if Harrison is a Klingon agent in Starfleet?

190. Keachick - March 25, 2013

#184 – Duh. Tragic situations have been known to bring people or pull people apart. How is Carol Marcus a “Mary Sue”? Anyway, I would have to believe in that “Mary Sue” bull crap to even consider such a notion.

191. Phil - March 25, 2013

@190. Right. What you described is wrong at professional and professional levels that it’s just off the charts fantasy. Looks great on the movie screen, but it’s lawsuits and criminal charges in real life. Or in your case, wish fullfillment. Lacks any credibility at all, except as a fan fiction submission.

Cheers….

192. Adolescent Nightmare - March 26, 2013

Everybody hide! Khan has the ultimate weapon!

193. Phil - March 26, 2013

@192. Yep, about 42 pounds of Curry sould do the trick.

194. Marja - March 26, 2013

Why are so many people talking about how Uhura’s “replacing” McCoy? She’s *not.* McCoy is our dear, irascible Chief Medical Officer, advisor to Kirk, challenger of Spock’s logic, and IMPORTANT. I hope we’ll see him, Kirk, Spock AND Uhura interacting as a tight team of friends and colleagues.

Please stop the either/or thinking, folks! Just because Uhura’s one of the featured characters does not mean she’s “replacing” Bones! Nobody can replace Bones, for one thing, and for another, if we’re going to carp about characters taking too much screen time away from other characters, well gee, why don’t they cut down John Harrison’s screen time? Y’think maybe because it wouldn’t serve the story?

Women are a large part of Star Trek’s audience, and I am glad we are finally seeing a strong female represented as one of the crucial colleagues on the team. I see no reason why Kirk, Bones, Spock *and* Uhura cannot be a beautifully functioning quartet.

195. Keachick - March 26, 2013

In professional terms I would think that Lt Uhura is subordinate to Mr Spock, but that does not mean they cannot be interacting with each when off duty or providing comfort/support when on duty. In one of the Ongoing comics, where Uhura takes a shuttlecraft to rescue Spock etc, once all are aboard safely, Kirk relieves both of them from duty, fully aware of their relationship…On this basis, my idea does have credibility.

My scenario would be when neither Kirk nor Marcus are needed in their professional capacities, eg if there is a break in the fighting where the ship needs to get from one place to another which may take a few hours, or maybe even a few days. In other words, they are off duty, taking a break, finally getting an opportunity to get the sweaty grubby uniforms off them, take showers, say Hi to each other and share a hug… They are out in space, light years from anywhere, battle weary – do you really think anyone going to care/worry about a little fraternization or whatever between two well educated professional adults?

Anyway, Star Trek is fiction, sometimes even fantasy as in fantastical and it takes place in a 23rd century that we are not yet living in. Fiction/fantasy is often about wish fulfillment on the part of film makers and the audiences…

Marja – I agree. Perhaps that is what is being created – a beautifully functioning quartet and it does make sense, especially if Lt Uhura becomes something of a troubleshooter.

196. Jovius the Romulan - March 26, 2013

169: “Photon torpedoes existed before this timeline. They were introduce in the tird season of enteprise.”

Negative. They were “photonic” torpedoes.

“Phaser canons were also introduce in the first season of enterprise.”

Negative again. Those were “phase” cannons.

“JJ is a star wars fan and i think hated the continued beam effects.

Well I for a fact miss them… I like the canon short burst style but they should have both… like the Kelvin in ST 2009! I like more the hand phaser effect in enteprise than the abrams movie. It made it different than stwars and thecknology speaking was logical!”

Ronald D. Moore has said before that it makes little sense for phasers to be involved in a continuous firefight with their capabilities and firepower. Given that one can simply vapourize their opponent’s cover (and maybe them with it) with one short burst or get everyone in a room with the wide setting, I see what he means. Then again, all sorts of rationalizations can be made with regards to starship safety, careful aiming to avoid collateral damage, and (I personally like this last idea) the possibility of phasers overheating/being drained of all power in no time with those settings. We did, after all, see Captain Tracey’s phaser type II (which is supposed to be more powerful and capable of longer sustained fire than the type I due its detachable power packs) run out after firing just a few short bursts of fire at a very high setting — a setting powerful enough to vapourize small objects and presumably people as well.

In any case, there is at least some precedence for single shots of phaser fire. I actually don’t mind it so much with the hand weapons. What they appeared to be going for in Star Trek 2009 was an old fashioned western gunfight. The shots impacting against metal (both the phasers and disruptors) even sound like ricochets from bullets. I would have liked the Enterprise to be using phaser beams, though. They make more sense to use if you’re sweeping an area clear of missiles, and the Kelvin had them (along with an AWESOME updated sound effect, thank you Ben Burtt) all the way back in 2233.

“After this mega blockbuster (hopefully) Star trek should go back on tv… I for one would change the old formula though, its time to move on and make it 2013 ishhh! I mean in the way the stopry is told! I would see more of the fleet, more of the crew, the lower decks, more action, and keep what made star trek good… storytelling, dilema and family / friendship!”

Can’t disagree with any of that.

197. Trekkiegal63 - March 26, 2013

#194 Marja:

Women are a large part of Star Trek’s audience, and I am glad we are finally seeing a strong female represented as one of the crucial colleagues on the team. I see no reason why Kirk, Bones, Spock *and* Uhura cannot be a beautifully functioning quartet.

Well said. And I say this as a hardcore TOS fanatic who loves McCoy dearly. There is absolutely no reason why the logos, ethos, pathos dynamic of Spock/Kirk/McCoy can’t stay intact AND Uhura gets more to do (in a professional capacity – I still have issues with the fact that they romantically paired her up and the kind of message it sends to have the only female lead in a relationship).

The entire argument against Uhura getting more to do is based on a false dilemma, i.e. only presenting two alternatives (either Uhura gets screen time, or Bones does) when in fact there are more (i.e. they both do).

198. martin - March 26, 2013

THE REAL ‘JHON HARRISON’ EXPOSED THEORY
Iv just watched star trek enterprise episodes ‘affliction’ and ‘divergence’
klingons used augment technology to create klingon augments but the ridges begun to dispear.
what if one klingon was working for section 31 and could easyly fit in with starfleet by just apearing even more human with an alias AKA ‘jhon harrison’

199. gingerly - March 26, 2013

@198

Hmm.

That’s a theory I haven’t heard before.

200. sherry - March 27, 2013

bring back the cheron

201. Martin - March 27, 2013

I think star trek enterprise season 4 says a lot about my theorys for
star trek into darkness.

202. Phil - March 27, 2013

@195. Pure bulls**t, unadulterated romance novel slop. Fantasy, wish fullfillment. Oh, my strong Captain, hold me, I’m so afraid.

There is a market for this stuff, Harlequin makes a ton of money selling this stuff. Absolutely wonderful role model stuff for the women out there who can only be fullfilled as arm candy for their guy. Any women out there looking to be something more then a token, need not apply.

203. Keachick - March 27, 2013

So you say, Phil. Did I write that anyone/Carol would be saying “Oh, my strong Captain, hold me. I’m so afraid”? NO, I did not. You wrote that drivel, not me.

Stop shoving your own negative bulls**t projections onto me because I may write a simple story outline that your own chauvinistic attitudes can’t handle.

204. somethoughts - March 27, 2013

I like the romance stuff :) I think it keeps the film balanced in between the deaths and darkness of the film. I think that is what makes James Cameron so successful he throws in love stories into his movies…

205. Phil - March 28, 2013

@203. Did you or did you not write this in post 177…

I hope there will be a moment or two of quietness in the film, if only to see an exhausted Carol Marcus and Jim Kirk strip off their hot dirty clothes and collapse together on a bed, only to immediately fall asleep. See they did sleep together…:)

Not quite there with the baby making yet…

If this is indeed by your hand, then I rest my case. Calling my view chauvinistic is just a straw man arguement when you both deny and embrace the Mary Sueness of your writings….I’m done…and good night, Mary Sue.

206. Phil - March 28, 2013

Something to consider, for the folks who seem to feel the need to defend objectification as a positive attribute of womanhood. Consider the damage you are doing to a good percentage of the female population where women hold the same status as property.

http://www.npr.org/2013/03/28/175471907/on-indias-trains-seeking-safety-in-the-women-s-compartment

In a good portion of the world, riding a subway car is an ordeal. Basic activities all through the prisim of Kirks lecherous glance at Carol. That’s why it seems so out of place.

207. somethoughts - March 28, 2013

#206

Now that is a straw man argument.

It is more sexist to have females conform to male standards, ie wearing pants and getting rid of the skirts. Celebrate diversity not oppress.

Oppression is the exercise of authority or power in a burdensome, cruel, or unjust manner.[1] It can also be defined as an act or instance of oppressing, the state of being oppressed, and the feeling of being heavily burdened, mentally or physically, by troubles, adverse conditions, and anxiety.

The systematic, socially supported mistreatment and exploitation of a group, category, or team of people by anyone.

One can say communist infiltrated the femininst movement and misguided them!

208. Phil - March 28, 2013

@207. Excuse me? Did you actually read this? These women want nothing more then to be able to go from point A to point B without being groped or harrassed. The key element in your defense of this is choice, and these women have none. One of the ladies in the story didn’t want to ‘celebrate diversity’, as you put it, so the guys who wanted to celebrate her diversity killed her. That, my friend, is oppression at its most obscene. This has nothing to do with communism or feminism, it’s so much more basic – just treat others the way we would want to be treated.

209. Red Dead Ryan - March 28, 2013

Phil, you are absolutely spot on. Some guys are just not “getting it” that women SHOULD have the right to decide what they wear. And it should be THEIR right, not men’s.

Unfortunately, that doesn’t seem to be the case in today’s society….where women are expected to be “hot” and “sexy” 24/7.

210. somethoughts - March 28, 2013

#208

Being groped or harrassed has nothing to do with what a person wears, you are saying they deserve it because of how they dress?

211. somethoughts - March 28, 2013

#209

Exactly that is why the whole pants vs skirt debate is moot

212. somethoughts - March 28, 2013

You say objectify I say prude, tomatoe, tomato.

Those cases you highlighted would have happened if they covered their entire body and faces with a viel, stop making excuses for rapists and gropers.

213. Red Dead Ryan - March 28, 2013

They’re not excuses. The truth is, men are visually-oriented. We tend to become lustful, particularly towards beautiful women. Yeah, it doesn’t matter that a woman wears a pantsuit or a miniskirt; it shouldn’t mean she’s “asking for it”, either.

However, women want to wear dresses, bikinis, miniskirts to be comfortable, not to be groped, harrassed, assaulted, stared at, etc.

There is a growing sense of entitlement amongst young men today towards sex. The thinking is that men have a right to have sex with a beautiful woman, whether she wants to reciprocate or not.

This mindset has been pushed forward by the poorn industry, which continues to dehumanize women, and endorse and promote sexual violence against women. Men continue to download poorn at record levels.

The number of women who are sexually assaulted/harrassed continues to escalate. Its an epidemic around the world. Unfortunately, it is also becoming more and more “acceptable” the media to allow the perpetrators to commit these heinous acts and by the politicians and judges who are increasingly turning a blind eye to the issue.

Not to mention that women’s rights are being eroded by governments around the world under the “justification” of a bad global economy.

The objectification of women worsens, while the people who can change that are doing nothing, or helping to contribute to the bad behaviour.

214. somethoughts - March 28, 2013

This is a good link for you phil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SlutWalk

The more you know, GI JOE

215. Trekkiegal63 - March 28, 2013

Phil and Red Dead Ryan:

You are both now on my Christmas card list. Copying and pasting everything you wrote that I agree with would make this post longer than even my normal average, lol, so I’ll just say…

YES, what you said, EXACTLY.

And a note to “somethoughts”:

I will not accuse you of being sexist because I do not know you. It is difficult to judge character from text because text does not come with the accompanying body language and tone.

However, your posts have come across as sexist, extraordinarily so, regardless of whether this is true of you as a person or not. When Smike (Spike? whatever his name was) posted a rant about woman ‘controlling men by prancing around in skimpy outfits’ you agreed with him. Now you’re suddenly advocating dressing scantily as some sort of progressive movement? One has to wonder if your motives here aren’t entirely selfish. As in, you like to gawk (and probably holler and catcall) over nakedness and you don’t care how that makes women feel or what consequences this trend has in store for us.

And instead of responding to a dissenting point with logically stated clarification that may explain your position better, or perhaps make you come across as human in the very least, instead you insult and delve into ad hominem attacks. The “prude” thing? Getting old. You’ve used it at least five times now, one might think you lack original thought.

Lastly, congrats, you can call bingo on the sexist bingo card, because I believe you’ve now used more than half of these:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VZO6zqW1qqo/TuFXx2ligsI/AAAAAAAAAog/aOrAqw1n6L4/s1600/Sexism+bingo.jpg

… at one point or another on this site.

216. somethoughts - March 28, 2013

#215

I am sorry you feel that way.

It is ok to be beautiful and love oneself. You do not need to project your own morals and values onto Hollywood and others that do not agree with you and call them sexist because they admire the human body :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SlutWalk

Take a look maybe you will understand my point of view more, instead of accusing me of being sexist :)

I call a spade a spade, if you are not a prude, I am sorry for coming to that conclusion.

217. somethoughts - March 28, 2013

Here is a good link for you Trekkiegal63

Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jennifer-fulwiler/a-pants-wearing-woman-reflects-on-skirts#ixzz2Oo6LV1DJ

I hope it helps.

218. Trekkiegal63 - March 28, 2013

#214 somethoughts:

Did you actually read the link you just posted? Because I don’t think you get it.

Assault can take on various forms. It can be physical, and it can be mental. What these women are trying to say? They are people, first and foremost. How they dress/act/portray themselves should have no bearing on consent. In the article it stated for the original march that it started off as the organizers calling women to dress in the normal, everyday clothes to signify that its not clothes that promote sexual assault, but attitudes. The protestors decided to take it to more blatant symbolism by dressing scantily to make the point more pronounced.

The difference between sexuality and objectification? One is cognizant, one is not. I’ve said this again and again and I don’t know how many more times I have to say it until you get it. Yes, absolutely a woman is allowed to dress as she wants and not be assaulted. No one is arguing that. Objectification happens when the image of a woman as a sex object is the ONLY facet shown. Women who make a choice on how to dress in everyday life, or on who to sleep with, have personalities attached to them, they may like coffee with cream, prefer a certain author, collect Andy Warhol paintings, etc. In media it’s the image of the body with no individuality attached to it that is creating the problem with perception because men are taking the imprint of that perception, i.e. the objectified sex object with no person attached to it, and imposing it on real-life women!

What these protestors are trying to say is that (some) men need to change their attitudes in regards to women, and that women should have not to go out of their way to avoid drawing attention to themselves in order to avoid unwanted attention. What you’re rationalizing for your own selfish reasons? Or at least what I’m gathering from your countless posts and refusal to let it go: ‘these women are protesting the right to dress like sluts, see, women like it! Therefore it’s entirely okay that I like it, too, and ogle them!’ Yeah, your interpretation and theirs, they don’t match.

219. Keachick - March 28, 2013

“I hope there will be a moment or two of quietness in the film, if only to see an exhausted Carol Marcus and Jim Kirk strip off their hot dirty clothes and collapse together on a bed, only to immediately fall asleep. See they did sleep together…:)
Not quite there with the baby making yet…”

Yes, I did write this. The comment about the baby making was a bit of a joke, given that we do know that in the prime universe, Carol and Jim did do just that, baby-making, baby being David Marcus.

“Oh, my strong Captain, hold me, I’m so afraid.” This is what YOU wrote. I did not. It is a blatant assumption on your part that my brief scene outline had these lines of yours as the motivation. Guess what – you would be wrong!

As for lecherous looks, the fact that someone immediately created a still of Carol in her underwear and then posted it to this site says more about people here than it does about the way Kirk is supposed to be looking at the woman in underwear. To me, he just looked surprised, stunned, in much the same way as she did, to be standing where she was, dressed as she was. Maybe the quick scene (which I did miss the first time I watched the trailer – believe me or not) is put there to show that the character herself, in this instance, is also out of place…

220. somethoughts - March 28, 2013

#218

I am happy you see the light.

221. somethoughts - March 28, 2013

#218

The point of the link is so that you understand woman can wear what they choose to wear without being judged by you or mistreated by others!

The protest stem from a uneducated remark by a police officer!

I think you are so upset you are missing the point, I will give you the 90-10 principle, 90% your past.

222. somethoughts - March 28, 2013

#219

Exactly, I get the feeling some posters here are projecting their own belief system or agenda to a still or scene and crying foul. Do you think JJ etc would be so stupid or sexist?

Get some fresh air and know that the world is not out to get you that females are equal and have the power to vote and do some extraordinary things!

223. Trekkiegal63 - March 28, 2013

#217 somethoughts:

I’m not the one who needs help. You do. Your attitudes are worrisome.

Also, I read the article you linked because I’m a reader, I don’t see how it pertains. The author said nothing I don’t agree with. I never said woman don’t have a choice in attire. In fact, I support the right for women to wear what they want (within reason – most jobs come with a dresscode attached, this is a fact of life for both genders).

I questioned the practicality of skirts on away missions to planets where the climate is freezing, or composed of rocky terrains or jungle-like vegetation. I also question the logic behind producers/directors/writers who would put female officers in a mini-skirt to go rock climbing – attacking they’re reasoning, not the reasoning of the female in the short skirt. The author of the article you linked agreed with me that the wearing of pants is more practical for most occasions, having nothing to do with gender. Practical is practical. She also noted the history associated with pants and dresses, as I also did. Nothing new here.

The only other thing I did in regards to wearing pants was point out that it wasn’t masculine to wear them, as someone else tried to say. The author agreed with that, too.

What you linking that article proves to me? You’re not reading what I write. And probably not really reading the whole post of anyone who disagrees with you. You’re reading what you feel I’m trying to say, scewed to fit your own mental space and prejudisms, because you are threatened and/or offended by a) feminism and b) any line of reasoning that might shed light on the fact that you habor attitudes which come across as sexist, which is a reality about yourself you are unprepared to face, therefore you use these rationalizations (or out and out name calling) as a defense.

In which case I say, perhaps you need to self-reflect.

224. somethoughts - March 28, 2013

I’ve seen you say the same things over and over to anyone who disagrees with you, honesty this is getting old, moving on!

Look in the mirror and love thyself, cheers!

225. Trekkiegal63 - March 28, 2013

#224 somethoughts:

LOL! Your old, classic standby whenever you feel backed into a corner. Insult and deflect. Honestly, you accusing *me* of being repetitive is a bit rich.

226. Trekkiegal63 - March 28, 2013

#221 somethoughts:

I got the message of the protest just fine. You didn’t get it at all. Because you are using it as a justification to objectifiy, which is the exact opposite of the point they’re trying to make.

When Smike posted that woman laud power over men because they dress in a way that robs men of thought, you agreed with him. Now you link the article of the protest after a long and intense debate about objectification? Yeah, it’s not obvious you’re trying to rationalize your behavior at all.<-sarcasm

Basically, you're trying to excuse the fact that you objectify. Your thought is: "but women like to dress provocatively, see, they're fighting for that right, therefore its okay that I like it right back!"

Nope, that's not what they're saying at all. They're saying, "Stop gawking!Did I say you can stare, or catcall or make crude comments as I walk by? Does what I'm wearing give you that right (or the right to get physical with me? or to call me a slut?) No, it does not!"

227. somethoughts - March 28, 2013

#225

Indeed broken record, the world is ending because of one shot in a trailer lmao get some fresh air :)

I was able to prove you wrong, I know it is hard to swallow but ego is such a thing.

228. somethoughts - March 28, 2013

#226

I don’t know how your husband feels but I bet he loves playboy, maxim and panty shots and at the same time respects woman! Right?

It is normal to have sexual images in the media, don’t be so afraid of the human body and lay behind a wall of protection and scream sexism or objectifying anytime you see a semi nude person! LOL this is America not Dubai or Saudi Arabia LOL

229. Trekkiegal63 - March 28, 2013

#227 somethoughts:

You didn’t prove me wrong at all. Far from it. I shed light on your motivations here, which are the opposite of altruistic.

The fact that you think you did? That only proves you are on a power trip. Wow. Issues, you’ve got them!

230. somethoughts - March 28, 2013

#229

Feel better? Good :)

231. Phil - March 28, 2013

@228. somethoughts wandered off the reservtion a few posts back. Either he’s (assuming he’s a guy) obtuse, or he really believes the magnificence of himself means he’s irresistable to the opposite sex. You have been polite, this guys a pig.

232. Phil - March 28, 2013

Oops…229.

233. somethoughts - March 28, 2013

#231

Says the guy who thinks it is females fault for being raped.

I should stop feeding the trolls, this is getting too much flamming.

234. somethoughts - March 28, 2013

I am going to take the Star Trek approach and say we agree to disagree, apologies to anyone offended by what I said. Live Long and Prosper.

235. Sinjun45 - April 11, 2013

it’s not really all that logical. Into Darkness takes place in 2259 and the Wrath of Kahn takes place in 2285. That’s a 26 year discrepancy between the two and in the Wrath of Khan the Genesis device wasn’t completely tested on a large scale. Certainly not in a weapons format. smaller scale use of the genesis project wasn’t a weapon and the device that Kahn used well he exploded it in the starship again not designed as a torpedo. Carol Marcus doesn’t once that i recall ever mention it as a weapon or used in such a format. being in a different timeline doesn’t explain this kind of problem.

plus you do realize that the Klingons referred to the Genesis project as a weapon because they considered it as such. and wanted to spin politics behind it.

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