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Pegg Talks ‘Manipulative’ Star Trek Into Darkness Villain + Another New Image From Empire Mag March 25, 2013

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In the new issue of Empire magazine, Star Trek Into Darkness star Simon Pegg gives some more insight into Benedict Cumberbatch’s ‘manipulative’ John Harrison. There is also a new image of Cumberbatch’s villain. More below but beware of (minor) spoilers.

 

 

Pegg: John Harrison Manipulates Kirk and Crew

The new Empire Magazine has arrived for some subscribers in the UK and a few bits of the coverage of Star Trek Into Darkness have come out. First up (via CumberbatchCOffeeKlatch Tumblr) is a scan of a new exclusive image.


John Harrison (Benedict Cumberbatch) and Dr. McCoy (Karl Urban) – possibly getting a blood sample or skin sample or maybe repairing an injury

And here are a couple of quotes (via CumberbatchWeb Tumblr).

Simon Pegg on Benedict Cumberbatch’s John Harrison

“It’s a modern take on terrorism in a way. It looks at why Benedict is doing what he’s doing. There are motives that make you think he’s not a bad guy and alliances form. All the time we’re being puppeteered by this John Harrison, even Kirk falls for it. He manipulates us as much as the audience.”

Benedict Cumberbatch on director JJ Abrams

“JJ is truly irritatingly talented. He’s focused and passionate but at the same time he’s got a killer sense of humour, stand up level very sharp. He’s a polymath & a doodler. He’ll say “what do you think of that?” And by the end of the week it’s a Nickelodeon cartoon. He sculpts 3D sculptures on his iPad and then beat boxes in his downtime. He has a superlative light and energy”

More Star Trek Into Darkness coverage in the May issue of Empire.


May issue of Empire with fold-out ‘Into Darkness’ cover

 

Comments

1. Dr. Image - March 25, 2013

Been a while…. FIRST!!!
(Need to buy the damn mag!)

2. I am not Herbert - March 25, 2013

WTF? a porthole?

…it’s SUPPOSED to be a FORCE FIELD =(

3. Andrew - March 25, 2013

I’m still in awe at the Empire cover. Love it.

4. JohnRambo - March 25, 2013

@2

what?

5. somethoughts - March 25, 2013

With his strength and intellect, can he not punch that glass?

6. I am not Herbert - March 25, 2013

force field “door” on the brig

7. Aaron (Naysayers are gonna nay) - March 25, 2013

So there have been some nits about the plexiglass or transparent aluminum (or whatever it is brig) not being a force field. I have a thought. Have you considered how unrealistic that was to have a force field all the time? I mean wouldn’t it be far more realistic to have a glass one with the force field as a backup if the sensors detected the glass being broken. Like the hull breach force fields that snap on in an instant if the hull if breached. Think of the energy consumption to have them running non stop the old way.

Now I don’t know if that’s how they are doing it but to me it makes the most sense. You say you want science fiction well to me the science part says to conserve valuable energy and fuel.

8. TrekMadeMeWonder - March 25, 2013

A 24th century Dr. Lecter?

I am so inspired. Or, did I? (personal joke)

9. ObsessiveStarTrekFan - March 25, 2013

Presumably, it’s not glass. It’s transparent aluminium or something similar. Having said that, can he punch through it? We’ll have to wait and see… Does he want to punch through it? Ditto.

10. Sisko is the Prophet - March 25, 2013

good thing Dr. McCoy didn’t ask for a stool sample

11. brobertsumc - March 25, 2013

@7 Aaron:

I think you’re right. I would think the transparent aluminum and force field would back each other up. Wouldn’t you want to have something else if there was a power failure?

12. Other Guy - March 25, 2013

Harrison’s in the Hulk pod.

13. I am not Herbert - March 25, 2013

Heh! Good one, Anthony!! =D

14. somethoughts - March 25, 2013

#9

Sorta like Loki in Avengers, we know he can get out anytime he wants, adds to dramatic effect, I suppose.

If the Avengers had something to contain the Hulk, I guess, by the time Star Trek comes along in the future, the technology is better and can hold a super human rogue agent hell bent on freeing his master Khan.

15. Other Guy - March 25, 2013

10. Sisko is the Prophet

Your name originally appeared as Anthony Pascale until I refreshed. NO LIE and that was a bad blue note you left.

16. Phil - March 25, 2013

Not sure why some people are that worked up about a physical barrier in the lock up. A force field would require a isolated source and dedicated backups to prevent it from failing. How many times have we heard a captain order power to be diverted? If the juice fails you have prisioners running around the ship – won’t happen with a physical barrier. If the ship is attacked, the safest place to be is in the lock up – the rest of the ship loses life support and everyone dies, but our prisioner is nice and cozy behind his force field.

17. I am not Herbert - March 25, 2013

oops, i mean Sisko is the Prophet

18. I am not Herbert - March 25, 2013

because force field is COOL! =D

19. Phil - March 25, 2013

@7. When you consider that a starship is an enclosed ecosystem, not only are you going to not want to be wasting energy, you are going to recycle as much of your raw materials as often as possible. People toss off flip answers to questions about how stuff gets done assuming there are unlimited sources of energy and raw materials in space to just waste of things life widespread use of replicators.

20. Trekkiegal63 - March 25, 2013

Most intriguing image yet. Very curious about the results of that blood test, particularly since it has the power to cure terminal diseases…

It will also be interesting to see Harrison pull the wool over Kirk’s eyes, Kirk’s pretty astute when it comes to reading people, so I’m curious what angle Harrison uses to get to even him. Undoubtedly related to the ‘family’ line from the trailer. Harrison spins it to where the crew of the Enterprise is at risk if he (Kirk) doesn’t help him, which Kirk would fall for. And it would follow tradition. In TOS, Kirk has put his crew above Starfleet before (“Where No Man has Gone Before”, “Amok Time”, etc…)

21. I am not Herbert - March 25, 2013

free, unlimited zero-point energy! =D

22. Jonboc - March 25, 2013

#2. “WTF? a porthole?

…it’s SUPPOSED to be a FORCE FIELD =(”

There was a planet Vulcan in TOS as well, and Kirk had green eyes…and communicators had gold metal antenna and Bones had blue eye shadow. Allternative timeline is the only explanation necessary.

23. Other Guy - March 25, 2013

Because Phil, Star Trek was never about the limited potential of our dreary lives. It was about the human existence in a future world filled with endless power and adventure.

Simple backup systems. Seems a bit technobabble to me. The original Star Trek was way beyond that.

I remember a Star Trek where a Phaser in the right hand could waste thousands. Now there’s a Trek plotline I’d like to see again on the big screen.

24. MJ - March 25, 2013

What’s wrong with Transparent Aluminum, folks?

25. Ahmed - March 25, 2013

So Benedict is playing a “good terrorist” ? That is an interesting take.

26. Trekkiegal63 - March 25, 2013

#24 MJ:

Scotty bartered the formula to the guy with the ‘quaint’ keyboard (who then went on to copyright it?) Teasing. Truthfully, good point.

27. Aaron (Naysayers are gonna nay) - March 25, 2013

11. brobertsumc – I agree. That thought was in my head as well but didn’t make it into the post.

19. Phil – Good points. I hadn’t thought about the fact the an enclosed force fielded area could require its own individual life support as well.

28. scotchyscotchscotch - March 25, 2013

#9 – how do we know he didn’t invent the thing?

29. JohnnieHF - March 26, 2013

From the side, Karl Urban looks exactly like DeForest Kelly in that picture.

30. Og - March 26, 2013

There’s another pretty interesting Harrison’s photo in that CumberbatchWeb Tumblr site that Anthony linked.

It’s from the aftermath of the fight with Spock

31. Giez - March 26, 2013

Very interesting. BC’s injured, ripped shirt, perhaps blood. Looks out of sorts for the 1st time.

32. Adolescent Nightmare - March 26, 2013

I’m a doodler. Hire me to direct the next one.

33. ObsessiveStarTrekFan - March 26, 2013

The caption on the picture reads “…– possibly getting a blood sample”

I’m wondering if instead McCoy is inserting/removing a subcutaneous transponder (similar to that used on Kirk & Spock in the TOS episode Patterns of Force).

It’s probably just me, but the device in McCoy’s hand seems to be touching Harrison’s forearm rather than the inside of his elbow…

34. Steve Johnson - March 26, 2013

I very much doubt he’s a “good terrorist” when he’s spouting phrases like “I will walk over your cold corpses.”

Ya know?

35. Spock's Pillow - March 26, 2013

I’m just really hoping that his hand doesn’t grab McCoy’s and pull McCoy up and hold him hostage or some dumb thing

36. Phil - March 26, 2013

@24. Nothing at all. As a matter of fact, something similar exists now…

http://www.ohgizmo.com/2012/05/09/did-you-know-that-transparent-aluminum-exists/

37. chris - March 26, 2013

dumbass jj hole.
thank god he’s not injured on head, leg or has thicker arms :-) or is another species.

38. Buzz Cagney - March 26, 2013

What on earth is Cumby going on about there!
And that ‘prison cell’ is clearly the one intended for people who have arm injuries. They have specific cells depending in injury.
Starfleet think of everything!

39. DennisR - March 26, 2013

It could be a force field and the porthole is a device that McCoy pushed into it to block the field and allow access.

40. Aix - March 26, 2013

“Beatboxes in his downtime…” Hahaha! Yeah, we all saw that in 09′s gag reel.

I say it again, that Empire cover is beautiful.

41. NuWisdom - March 26, 2013

I bet its a holographic forcefield, made to look and feel like a solid, clear wall, but then the porthole access could be pushed into it from outside.

42. flake - March 26, 2013

I bet McCoy takes some kind of ring and puts it on the force field and then the hole apears, then when he takes it away the hole disappears so it is a force field after all

43. CAPT KRUNCH - March 26, 2013

It’s good to see Bones ..being a Dr., not a……… I think my only complaint about the portrayal of any of the characters is that it seems that every shot we see of Spock, he has some some form of weapon in his hand. Spock is now the man of action, not merely pure logic. Logic goes a long way with a phaser rifle in your hands. Actually everyshot of everyone seems to have a weapon at hand. I know this fits in with the STARWARS mentality of the new TREK and that is fine, ACTION sales tickets!.. And TOS Kirk didn’t shy away from a phaser in his day…thats certain. Spock, on the other hand, was different…though he did use his hand(s) well..haha…was primarily a man of peaceful means…I’ve seen plenty of scenes of Spock running, falling into volcanoes, getting his ass kicked by Harrison, and toting phasers in every way. I hope we see him in a mindmeld, or scanning with a tricorder, or translating some linguacode…or something scientific….just to keep him real. That was the appeal of Kirk/Spock ….one was the brains..the other braun..one emotions and the other logic.

44. Josh C. - March 26, 2013

I always assumed that the barrier was transparent aluminum. That should work for most races, even Klingons. I bet even Harrison couldn’t get through that.

He probably gets out when the ship starts blowing up. Or if it indeed crashes, that would do it too

45. Mad Mann - March 26, 2013

RE: Empire Cover.

I like how they are all wearing the traditional colored uniforms. I just wish the women were wearing long sleeves and pants, cuz those dresses, while sexy, are stupid.

46. Flake - March 26, 2013

43: Yes McCoy does doctor stuff all the time in every old episode or movie!

Haters gonna hate

47. Frederick - March 26, 2013

As far as transparent aluminum or such vs a force field, I would rather depend on something that won’t vanish in case of power failure.

Also… Happy Birthday Leonard Nimoy!

48. LogicalLeopard - March 26, 2013

43. CAPT KRUNCH – March 26, 2013
It’s good to see Bones ..being a Dr., not a……… I think my only complaint about the portrayal of any of the characters is that it seems that every shot we see of Spock, he has some some form of weapon in his hand. Spock is now the man of action, not merely pure logic. Logic goes a long way with a phaser rifle in your hands. Actually everyshot of everyone seems to have a weapon at hand. I know this fits in with the STARWARS mentality of the new TREK and that is fine, ACTION sales tickets!.. And TOS Kirk didn’t shy away from a phaser in his day…thats certain. Spock, on the other hand, was different…though he did use his hand(s) well..haha…was primarily a man of peaceful means…I’ve seen plenty of scenes of Spock running, falling into volcanoes, getting his ass kicked by Harrison, and toting phasers in every way. I hope we see him in a mindmeld, or scanning with a tricorder, or translating some linguacode…or something scientific….just to keep him real. That was the appeal of Kirk/Spock ….one was the brains..the other braun..one emotions and the other logic.

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I think there’s something you’re forgetting here. You have a base character, Spock, who is all of those things you described. But have you considered the effect of the loss of Vulcan had on Spock’s character? I mean, besides being there for the traumatic death of billions of Vulcans, and no doubt sensing some of that telepathically, but having his own mother die before his eyes too. That’d make someone a bit more militant.

But really, that only is an explaination if we actually see changes in Spock’s character. The clips don’t prove anything. Spock is a Starfleet Officer, and if you’re on a warlike, hostile planet like Qu’noS, he’s not going to say, “Oh, forget all of that regulation nonsense about carrying a phaser, I’ll just wait for the Klingons to get close and pinch them!” He doesn’t look like he’s carrying a phaser when chasing the dangerous likeable terrorist Harrison. And as for scientific, how much more scientific is jumping into a Volcano with a super ice cube? Which I believe is Kirks’ dismissal of a scientific technobabblish answer from Spock about how it works.

49. LogicalLeopard - March 26, 2013

By the way, is anyone else astonished that we’ve got a little over a month and a half till the premiere, and we STILL don’t know who John Harrison is?

And not only do we not know who he is, we don’t have a good understanding of exactly how hsi character is going to work – in terms of, how is he a terrorist, yet, manipulative? How is it going to play out? Who is he going to seduce, under what pretenses, and for what reasons?

It’s gotten to the point where I think most of us have stopped guessing (my last guess was Arne Darvin *LOL*). I think this indicates what a great movie it’s probably going to be.

50. Geek Girl - March 26, 2013

Dammit DennisR you beat me to it. Having a access a prisoner for minor things without taking down the field would be a lot safer.

51. Charla - March 26, 2013

? = How to get this magazine in the US?

Anyone?

Would love to have this!

52. TrekMadeMeWonder - March 26, 2013

49. LogicalLeopard

Continuously surprised. Day after day.

I remarked time and again, that you can’t market this movie cause everyone is going to figure out how bad the story is. I mean how can you have a threat and not know whom it is?

There is no drama there And apparently no drama to promote if you can’t reveal the real bad guy.

Take a look at the latest Iron Man trailer. They are doing it right. And by god, its the same studio! I don’t understand. I blameall the Trek-Zombies AND JJ, for not wanting the ravenous horde to choke on the unsurely details beforehand.

53. TrekMadeMeWonder - March 26, 2013

Here is how it should be marketed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VcZdrfDeJTo

IMO, these two movies storylines are looking IDENTICAL. But Iron-Man is being marketed much more successfully.

54. PaulB - March 26, 2013

#49 “And not only do we not know who he is, we don’t have a good understanding of exactly how hsi character is going to work – in terms of, how is he a terrorist, yet, manipulative? How is it going to play out? Who is he going to seduce, under what pretenses, and for what reasons?”
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Um…that’s why we go to see the movie–to find out all that stuff. We don’t need to know it all in advance. If we knew now “how is he a terrorist, yet, manipulative,” then there’s no point in seeing the movie to FIND THAT OUT.

Your complaint is like whining about a mystery movie before you’ve seen it, saying,”But I don’t know who the killer is or why he killed or how he did it or how they caught him.” Again, that’s the point of SEEING THE MOVIE.

55. TrekMadeYou Undead - March 26, 2013

PaulB. You are a Zombie-Trekker.

56. PaulB - March 26, 2013

#54 – I wish your comment made sense so I could respond to it. Maybe try again?

57. Jack - March 26, 2013

Well, the device kinda shows that maybe the ‘glass’ ain’t exactly glass. And a forcefield wouldn’t have much dramatic impact — what if Jodie Foster had just been standing in the same room as Hopkins in Silence of the Lambs with a few animated sparkles between them.

So are they hinting that Cumberbatch seems like a bad guy who’s maybe a good guy, but then he really is mostly the bad guy… like on Lost?

58. LogicalLeopard - March 26, 2013

51. TrekMadeMeWonder – March 26, 2013

I’ll have to check out the new developments on Iron Man, STID has kept me pretty occupied. Last I checked, Ben Kingsley was going to play the Mandarin….which was weird, but, I’ll still take a look. He is Ben Kingsley, not Ben Nobody. I did like their Superbowl Advert…I don’t think that’s ever been done, just straight up show a scene from the movie and end on a cliffhanger. GREAT way to publicize a movie.

59. LogicalLeopard - March 26, 2013

53. PaulB – March 26, 2013

Um…that’s why we go to see the movie–to find out all that stuff. We don’t need to know it all in advance. If we knew now “how is he a terrorist, yet, manipulative,” then there’s no point in seeing the movie to FIND THAT OUT.

Your complaint is like whining about a mystery movie before you’ve seen it, saying,”But I don’t know who the killer is or why he killed or how he did it or how they caught him.” Again, that’s the point of SEEING THE MOVIE.

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You failed to divine the nature of my post *LOL* I wasn’t complaining, I was COMPLIMENTING. It shows the likely complexity of the movie. Take last film. We knew Nero was a Romulan who was upset that Romulus & Remus were blown up. When you watched the movie….that’s all you got. An angry Romulan. There wasn’t much else to him. With this villian, you’ve got really a LOT of information – his name, his affiliation, that he’s some sort of terrorist, fighting expert, manipulator, persuasive person. But you’re not quite sure how it all fits together. So even having all that information, you feel like you have nothing.

So what does that make you want to do? WATCH THE MOVIE! I can’t wait until the premiere, not just becuase I like Star Trek movies, or Action movies, but because I have QUESTIONS. And I want to be one of the first ones to have them answered. I’m seriously considering doing a midnight screening, and I don’t think I’ve ever seriously thought about doing one of those. I may see one movie a year, two tops, at the theatre.

The people behind this film are geniuses. They’ve got me from my normal “Oh, that looks good, I think I’ll go see it” position, where most movies pass me by and I don’t see them until I can get them from the library free on video , to a “Hmmnn…if the midnight showing is Thursday, I’ll have to take off of work that Friday, and tell the wife that I’m going out to the store and pick up milk.” sort of mindset. *L*

60. TrekMadeYou Undead - March 26, 2013

TrekMadeYouUndead

Paul, re-read your last letter.

You said you would go to see this movie without knowing what its about.
Who whould go to a movie just cause its a “mystery movie?”

I’d go to a Sherlok Holmes movie cause I like the main character AND perhaps the plot sounds good. I would consider going to a mystery movie far less if there was only a vague outline of the plot.

61. LogicalLeopard - March 26, 2013

You know, I don’t know why people complain about the lack of forcefields. Although arguably, it looks cool, a forcefield in a brig is about the dumbest use of technology I can think of. An actual door, rated to withstand a roided out Vulcan or Klingon, is probably all the security you need. If you cut the power to the brig with forcefields, everyone walks right out. When you cut the power to the brig with a door, someone probably has to go in and activate some sort of slow, emergency manual release to let someone out of the brig, because the door probably lost power too. In addition to doing whatever it takes to unlock it anyway.

The door looks very cool, in my opinion. I’m just not sure what that armhole is for. It’s not big enough to slide a food tray through, and there can’t be many instances of which an inmate has to stick his arm through the door. Either it’s made specifically for Harrison, or it’s a plot device which I’m more than willing to overlook.

62. PaulB - March 26, 2013

#59 – I apologize for directing my reply to you, since you are correct–you clearly said you think it’s going to be great, and I clearly mistook your tone.

Sorry about that! And yes, it’s amazing that they’ve kept so much secret from such overly entitled–ahem, I mean, deeply inquisitive Trekkies. ;)

63. I am not Herbert - March 26, 2013

…yes, hopefully it will still be a force field in post-production ;-)

64. Tin-plated overbearing, swaggering dictator with delusions of godhood - March 26, 2013

I wonder if that room is both a brig and something along the lines of a medical quarantine chamber. Between the sick girl at the beginning, Harrison’s insistence that he can “save her”, McCoy doing whatever he is doing to Harrison in this picture, McCoy scanning Harrison in the latest trailer, and the cryotubes in the first trailer, I believe Harrison is involved in some sort of bio-terrorism plot by Starfleet that has gone wrong or has affected Harrison in some personal way. The “Is there anything you would not do for your family line” could still be directed at Kirk, Spock, whoever, but could be referring to Harrison’s family. And for all you Khan lovers, there’s plenty of room to work the Augments into the script without necessarily having them appear on-screen. I have more thoughts on this, just running out of time before work.

65. Martin - March 26, 2013

THE REAL ‘JHON HARRISON’ EXPOSED THEORY
Iv just watched star trek enterprise episodes ‘affliction’ and ‘divergence’
klingons used augment technology to create klingon augments but the ridges begun to dispear.
what if one klingon was working for section 31 and could easyly fit in with starfleet by just apearing even more human with an alias AKA ‘jhon harrison’

66. Khan 2.0 - March 26, 2013

if only Dredd had caught on and made lots of $ (like it should as it was a f**king great movie) Urban would be like the Harrion Ford of the Star Trek movies and hed be doing the star treks inbetween doing the Dredd trilogy (plus hed get chosen for other great stuff like Ford did in Blade Runner, Witness etc)

and when Urban appeared on screen as Bones everyone would be like ‘OMG its Judge Dredd!….that movie was awesome…. whens the new Dredd coming out? etc’

looks like its Pines turn to be Harrison Ford next with the Jack Ryan movie (literally as Ford played the same role!)….if its a big hit then it could be his Indiana Jones (2 Treks then Ryan then final Trek 2 years later in 2016 then Ryan 2 in 2017…….like Ford – 2 Wars then Raiders then Jedi 2 years later then TOD 1 year after)

67. Keachick - March 26, 2013

Harrison Ford was one of three actors who played Jack Ryan. It seems that the one most preferred was Alec Baldwin. Coincidentally, Chris Pine was able to spend some time with Alec Baldwin while they were both promoting their Rise of the Guardians animation movie in Cannes last year. The upcoming Jack Ryan film received some mention at the time also.

Harrison Ford is OK. I think he is a bit overrated.

68. Khan 2.0 - March 26, 2013

67 – overrated?!

the guy who is Indiana Jones/Han Solo/Rick Deckard is overrated?!

who else is overartedin your opinion? Sean Connery? Clint Eastwood? William Shatner?

69. Keachick - March 26, 2013

Who is Rick Deckard?

I don’t like the Harrison Ford style of speech. It generally comes off as a lazy drawl. I preferred the Indiana Jones character to the Hans Solo character. It’s been a while since I watched either Indiana Jones or Star Wars movies.

I prefer Sean Connery to Clint Eastwood. William Shatner is OK.

70. ObsessiveStarTrekFan - March 26, 2013

…Rick Deckard – Oohh – Blade Runner… Actually the character I least liked Harrison Ford playing was Han Solo…

71. Marja - March 26, 2013

#43 Kap’n Krunch – I couldn’t agree more. Hate seeing Spock with … guns. They look like guns, not phasers. More international appeal, I s’pose. In the words of King Arthur in “Monty Python …” J.J., “You make me SAD!”

Whatever happened to the Famous Spock Neck Pinch? OK I guess we get to see it at least once

#45 Mad Mann – THANK YOU I’ve been saying this for four years and they *still* haven’t changed it. And *!!*no rank insignia*!!*, after 4 years and numerous complaints?! How insulting to women officers can they get! C’mon guys.

Guess ya cain’t let them wimminfolk git too uppity, eh?

BobOrci if you’re reading this, PLEASE speak to someone. Those miniskirt uniforms are just plain sexist. Not to mention impractical! If we want eye candy can I put in a vote for men’s “fishnet” shirts? Yowza. [Not bloody likely, eh.]

# 70 Obsessive, That’s cos Solo had such lousy dialogue, thanks to the inimitable George Lucas. My favorite Harrison Ford role, bar none, is Detective John Book in “Witness”

And Keachick, Ford can act, very well – IMHO he “wasted himself” on action movies, but he was the highest-earning male star for a lotta years. I hope Chris Pine can earn significant buck$ too, but I hope he doesn’t waste his talent on action stuff entirely. Hope he gets to do more acting.

All of the leads in ST are very talented indeed, and I hope to see all of them in wonderful projects. But most of all, Star Trek : )

And maybe a “Mad Men” style television version. 10-12 episode arc over a season on a channel like AMC … [dreaming on]

#51 Charla – someone told me it should be available at Barnes&Noble booksellers.

72. Marja - March 26, 2013

AACK just had horrible thought looking at the Harrison and McCoy photo – what if JH has *manipulated* McCoy into removing a transponder??!

Oh … maybe they don’t need to fit a food tray thru … maybe they just give prisoners a squishy tube of nutrient paste ; P

Folks, when I go to a movie I like to be surprised … in a good way of course … and I would go see my fave characters in the movie regardless of what I heard or didn’t hear about it in advance. I love mysteries, and I can’t imagine reading the last chapter first.

73. Tanner Waterbury - March 27, 2013

@45 Mad Mann,

Uh, have you actually seen an episode of The Original Series? The ONLY time women wore pants in uniform was “The Cage/Menagerie” and “Where No Man Has Gone Before”, where they were using the turtleneck uniforms.

74. LogicalLeopard - March 27, 2013

62. PaulB – March 26, 2013
#59 – I apologize for directing my reply to you, since you are correct–you clearly said you think it’s going to be great, and I clearly mistook your tone.

Sorry about that! And yes, it’s amazing that they’ve kept so much secret from such overly entitled–ahem, I mean, deeply inquisitive Trekkies. ;)

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Hey, no problem. Looking over my post, I see now how most of it could be taken either way.

My only thought is that I hope it doesn’t let me down. Keeping us enlightened, but effectively in the dark indicates to me that the movie is going to be complex and outstanding. I don’t really think it’s going to fall short of that, but I’m trying to keep my excitement to a manageable level. *L*

75. LogicalLeopard - March 27, 2013

68. Khan 2.0 – March 26, 2013
67 – overrated?!

the guy who is Indiana Jones/Han Solo/Rick Deckard is overrated?!

who else is overartedin your opinion? Sean Connery? Clint Eastwood? William Shatner?

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Hmmnn….Clint Eastwood may be. Now, it’s hard to say, because I haven’t seen a great portion of the body of work of all of these actors, but I totally get why people would say Harrison Ford is overrated. I like to see him in movies, but he’s sort of neutral and believable in all of them. Which, some would argue, is the point of acting – to not notice the actor but notice the character. But if I had to make a list of favorite actors, none of those people would come immediately to mind.

Well, maybe Shatner *LOL* Who doesn’t like Denny Crane?

76. topas - March 27, 2013

@43

So, what’s the big issue with characters showing up on photos with phasers / guns / weapons? And why should Spock not be one of them?

Google for Spock+phaser and be amazed how much of original 1960′s publicity shots featured a phaser pointing towards the lense ;))

Hell, Spock not only fired a phaser in The Cage, but carried a phaser rifle and belt in Where No Man Has Gone Before, remember?

77. Marja - March 27, 2013

#73, Tanner, Just because they wore miniskirts in TOS should not mean they wear them in the AltVerse. Come onnn. They’re impractical and just make women look silly. Bodysuits would make more sense and still be sexy. AND could easily show the women’s rank.

I think it is very sexist and somewhat insulting that they do not wear ranking pins, stripes, or other indicators on the minidresses. I also think black tights would not go amiss, if they must wear the minidresses.

#76, Topas, I realize the “reality” of Spock using weapons; I just don’t like the over-emphasis in publicity shots.

78. somethoughts - March 27, 2013

Miniskirts are fine, I do not want to be looking at some imperialist communist dress code when everyone is seen wearing grey pants lol

Miniskirts symbolize freedom and democracy, keep them miniskirts!

Next thing you know the females all have short hair wtf no lol

I like GR’s vision of star trek, not to see it morph into some pc correct crap ;)

79. somethoughts - March 27, 2013

Interesting link regarding skirts and how ironic it is Marja.
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jennifer-fulwiler/a-pants-wearing-woman-reflects-on-skirts

Here is a clip:
One day in 1965, we were suddenly told to go out and start removing all the grass from the lawns. Mao had instructed that grass, flowers, and pets were bourgeois habits and were to be eliminated…Mao had attacked flowers and grass several times before, saying that they should be replaced by cabbages and cotton.

At the same time that Mao was eradicating all the flowers, he attacked something else as well: feminine dress; particularly, skirts. Mao wrote a widely-publicized poem in which he told women to “doff femininity and don military attire.” Chang says of this turn of events:

Out went my mother’s fluffy bobs; in came short, straight hair. Her blouses and jackets were no longer colorful or figure-hugging. They were made of plain quiet colors and looked like tubes. I was particularly sorry to see her skirts go. I remembered how, a short time before, I had watched her getting off her bicycle, gracefully lifting her blue-and-white check skirt with her knee…Her skirt had been flowing like a fan as she rode toward me.

I was struck by the fact that the same line of thought led to the destruction of both flowers and skirts. It was one of those moments of feeling surprised that I wasn’t surprised. The two things seem to be entirely different at first glance, yet when you think about it, they both represent similar concepts in the human mind. Both evoke femininity. They’re soft and flowing, strong yet delicate, require time and care, and give an air of whimsy and hope.

It’s interesting that these concepts are often reviled by atheistic regimes. Though banning flowers was less common, many of the Communist movements of the 20th century specifically targeted pretty dresses and skirts as undesirable (most of the exceptions being calculated attempts to make their societies seem vibrant and happy). Such attire was seen as inefficient wasteful—think of how much more productive time a woman would have if she didn’t worry about her clothes, and how much harder she could work if she didn’t have to fuss around with silky skirt! Feminine dress also represented something that was anathema to Communist societies: the idea that women are different from men. Somehow in the pursuit of “equality” male behavior became the default, and all traditionally feminine behavior was seen as inferior. In order to claim their supposed freedom, women had to dress and act like men. In this worldview, skirts were a dangerously countercultural statement.

Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jennifer-fulwiler/a-pants-wearing-woman-reflects-on-skirts#ixzz2OmxB2mll

80. Curious Cadet - March 27, 2013

@ 78. somethoughts,
“I like GR’s vision of star trek, not to see it morph into some pc correct crap”

Sleeveless minidresses were not Gene Roddenberry’s vision. Most likely it was NBC’s.

If you want GR’s vision you need look no further than the pilots and movies which he had 100% control over.

The cage — female officers wear pants and sleeves
WNMHGB — female officers wear pants and sleeves
TMP — female officers wear pants and sleeves, short sleeve shirts are optional for both men and women
TNG — female officers wear pants and sleeves, and optionally sleeveless mini-dresses — BUT SO DO THE MALES!! Only one of the two principle females wore the sleeveless mini-dress, and her rank was clearly visible.

So the fact that Roddenberry kept going back to pants and sleeves for men and women seems to indicate that’s how he wanted to represent Starfleet. The fact that TNG not only featured some women in skirts, but also men, seems to suggest that Roddenberry wasn’t opposed to skirts as long as it was equal opportunity for both sexes.

TNG was PC due in no small part to Roddenberry’s influence. I get the feeling with TOS that he fought many of the changes from the pilot to the series dictated almost entirely by the network. Do not mistake GR’s healthy personal libido with his vision for Trek.

I would love to hear GR’s reaction to Abrams’ sleeveless mini-dress, especially the fact it doesn’t indicate rank when everyone else’s does, considering his military service.

81. Keachick - March 27, 2013

#79 – I have never read what you linked before, but it kind of sums up my feelings about what I consider to be negative and sexist as opposed to how other people understand the term “sexist”.

The pant suit for women to some degree, symbolizes this default to the masculinist way of seeing and doing things. It represents the defeminization of women. They just represent another form of oppression of women.

Bodysuits don’t make sense. I have always thought they looked ridiculous. They appear to be a one-piece outfit. Are they? If so, that would make them the most annoying, impractical garment designed because they completely ignore a necessary body function, ie the need to urinate etc. Having to strip down just to wee is idiotic and time-wasting.

As far as placing of rank on clothing, even if the uniform for women was the underwear worn by Carol Marcus – there is no justification for her rank not to be sewn into her pretty teal coloured underwear.

There – Supreme Court – You have absolutely NO EXCUSE whatsoever to NOT put a rank insignia on clothing belonging to a female who is a member of Starfleet!

If something is not done to correct this oversight, then Paramount and Bad Robot should be charged with blatant sexual discrimination!!!

82. somethoughts - March 27, 2013

#80

Throughout the rest of the series after the two pilots (The second pilot, the one finally accepted by NBC, was titled “Where No Man Has Gone Before”.), all the female members of the crew were dressed in short, skimpy skirts instead of trousers that Number One and other female characters wore during the pilots.

83. Martin - March 27, 2013

Iv looked on my cinema site my vue ‘star trek into darkness’ is short of
3 hours long, so there must be a big action packed khan revelation near the end.

84. Clark - March 27, 2013

My bet is that the port hole device is put up to the transparent material and temporarily creates a hole in it. Could be a cool concept. Force fields are a dumb idea. We already have force fields that don’t take constant energy, it’s called a solid.

85. Jack - March 27, 2013

71. Although Nichols requested to wear skirts in the movies, I believe (not certain).

“Those miniskirt uniforms are just plain sexist. Not to mention impractical! If we want eye candy can I put in a vote for men’s “fishnet” shirts? Yowza. [Not bloody likely, eh.]”

For years, since I was a kid, this bugged me. It just didn’t make sense that women would want to work like this (in either the skirts or the crazy make-up and hairdos). Now, I think — it’s a TV show. And they were in fashion then. And, well, most women I know who wear skirts wear them because they like wearing skirts… but I’m a guy, what do I know.

But yeah, hey Roddenbery/Theiss tried the men in skirts thing on TNG — the unisex scant. It didn’t last.

86. somethoughts - March 27, 2013

Did you guys see this feature already?
http://www.startrekmovie.com/#/video/ceSJqDrJMyo

I am not sure if this was already posted here, but this was new to me.

87. Jack - March 27, 2013

79. Catsuits are even worse, IMO. At best, they’re just not flattering — I think Troi looked way more attractive when she started wearing a proper uniform again. Same with Seven in the episode or two where she was in uniform and didn’t have the crazy updo. And T’pol looked absurd in those outfits.

I remember Decker wearing a onesie (no tunic, just the unitard) in TMP — in a corridor scene. And you could tell what religion the guy was.

And, yes, the no rank thing is odd.

88. Red Dead Ryan - March 27, 2013

Seven of Nine’s silver suit was great. I thought it was nice and space-agey in a sci-fi way. Her other outfits, though, looked like they were made from carpeting you’d find in an office.

89. Ahmed - March 27, 2013

@ 67. Keachick – March 26, 2013

“Harrison Ford was one of three actors who played Jack Ryan. It seems that the one most preferred was Alec Baldwin.”

Seriously ??? Harrison Ford was the best actor played Jack Ryan, forget about Alec Baldwin, Ben Affleck. Just go back & watch “Clear and Present Danger”.

And anyone who say that Harrison Ford is overrated, need to go & watch his performance in “Regarding Henry” & “Witness”

“Regarding Henry”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kaih11iULEA

“Witness”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSljRCsuKw4

90. Keachick - March 27, 2013

I did not say that Harrison Ford is bad. I know he has done some good movies. I like the Indiana movies, especially The Last Crusade with Sean Connery. I just don’t like how he speaks in the movies I have seen. It sounds lazy, rough, a bit of a drawl…it’s annoying.

91. Curious Cadet - March 28, 2013

@82. somethoughts,
“Throughout the rest of the series after the two pilots … all the female members of the crew were dressed in short, skimpy skirts instead of trousers”

Yup. And that was not Roddenberry’s vision. He wanted a female Number One in pants. But he was no longer 100% in charge, he had to answer to the network who was paying the bills and they wanted women to look like women. Roddenberry had to make some compromises in his vision since he did not want anyone to smoke in Star Trek, which was difficult because the cigarette companies were huge sponsors of TV programming in those days. Also, NBC was owned by RCA which made color television sets, so NBC demanded the show be much more colorful. And he also wanted to keep Mr. Spock whom the network hated. They also didnt want a black woman on the bridge. So the women got brightly colored skirts and they were not in charge of anything. At least they had sleeves and rank.

My we’ve come so far haven’t we …

92. somethoughts - March 28, 2013

#90

I believe woman wearing skirts is free and more feminine than a woman wearing pants. Wearing pants imo is the oppression of feminine. They got it right, woman wearing skirts is more powerful and empowering than woman wearing pants!

It’s interesting that the feminist revolution here in America also shunned classically feminine garb.

A full life isn’t all about efficiency and work; that men and women are different, and that’s okay; and that femininity is something to be celebrated, not squelched.

Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jennifer-fulwiler/a-pants-wearing-woman-reflects-on-skirts#ixzz2Oo6LV1DJ

93. somethoughts - March 28, 2013

#92*

94. Aaron (Naysayers are gonna nay) - March 28, 2013

Here you go… I was reading the skirt debate and I knew for a fact I had scene TOS FILM ERA NICHOLS IN A SKIRT.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y106/Jedigreedo/UhuraTUC.jpg

I was correct she wore one in The Undiscovered Country and was stunning. Now I don’t say that in an overtly sexual way I say that in a “she was a beautiful woman” way.

In the services today woman wear skirts. I notice Carol Marcus’s skirt in the new film seems a bit longer than Uhura’s skirt??? I am a fan of the slightly longer because it’s more reminiscent of current military skirt standards.

Do I think a woman show have to wear a skirt or dress??? No but it should be a uniform variant available if they choose to.

95. Aaron (Naysayers are gonna nay) - March 28, 2013

Do I think women should*** have to wear

96. Curious Cadet - March 28, 2013

@91. somethoughts,
“It’s interesting that the feminist revolution here in America also shunned classically feminine garb.”

I don’t think is is true at all. That is an incorrect stereotype. Sometimes it manifests itself this way when a woman is striving for equality in a male dominated environment. God I really hated those women’s suits in the 90s with broad shoulder pads sporting faux epaulets and even rank stripes around the cuffs.

But the “feminist” revolution is about equality and freedom of choice. The issue of “choice” and control of their own bodies still being at the forefront of women’s issues. Women universally dress more “femininely” than they ever have before, both casually and professionally. Women were once not allowed to even wear pants, or jeans, and today they wear jeans as frequently as men. Are they doing so to be more manly, or because blue jeans are extremely comfortable clothing? I would argue the latter. As long as women have a choice then I’m all for them wearing anything they want. Just as I would not like being told I could not wear something, or I must only wear something else.

I have no objection to skirts in Star Trek. Indeed Abrams is to be commended for providing the option of pants and sleeves. But, unlike women in the US today, Uhura really doesn’t have a choice as to what she wears. Wile Zoe may have some input, it is Abrams that dresses the character. And both Uhura and Carol Marcus (from what we’ve seen so far) wear only skirts as BDUs, never choosing another option available to them. Moreover, their uniforms don’t have rank. And to top it all off, Uhura is put into a combat situation where her outfit seems wholly impractical. Meanwhile, the male characters have no such options. So the women seem less professional/capable by contrast, a perception even putting the men in optional short sleeves would help mitigate. It would be like doing a movie about Iraq where the women soldiers wear bikinis while the men are in BDUs and seen performing the same jobs. It would look like a Benny Hill sketch. Fortunately Uhura seems to be in a position to overcome this minor disparity in the movie, and who knows may ultimately have a positive effect toward mitigating objectification.

97. Curious Cadet - March 28, 2013

@95 MORE^^^

By the way, if I wasn’t clear putting a woman in pants in 1964 was still sort of taboo, much less putting her in a position of authority. Most women on TV at the time wore full length dresses, and were housewives. So that was just as a radical a concept as was putting them in short skirts.

Ironically, whether Roddenberry’s idea or the networks, putting them in mini skirts was actually a revolution for the women, despite the fact Hollywood fully exploited this liberation. Prior to that, so much skin had not been regularly show on television, much less in public. Full length dresses and high neck lines were the attire of the day. Women actually were making advances by being able to wear as little clothing as men had the option to. But that is no longer the case today. Women have many choices, no need to push that envelope in media. As times have changed, just as women no longer feel compelled to wear pseudo-admiral uniforms to the office, there is also no need to dress revealingly whenever possible. Indeed the situation dictates which choice a woman should make in each instance. And wearing the equivalent of a mini cocktail dress when going camping is not likely any woman’s first choice.

98. Marja - March 28, 2013

SomeThoughts,

I can’t be sure if you’re trying to stamp me as a follower of Mao [the closest I get to that is feeding my cats ;) or a skirt-hating feminist. I am also unsure if you’re a man who delights in diversity or a woman who likes celebrating her femininity.

I am neither a Maoist nor a skirt-hater.

*I was in the US Coast Guard*, which I think gives me a pretty valid point of view when it comes to uniforms. UNIFORMS. Please check the dictionary definition. Men’s and women’s uniforms were slightly different, yes, but we didn’t run around in mini-dresses, and if we’d been going out on rescue boats or whatever, we would certainly be attired similar to the men, in pants and shirts, long-sleeved or short.

For office wear and other dirtside duties women did have the skirt option, one I took fairly often. Never in winter – it was too demmed cold in NYC – and never for inspection. In fact I lobbied for women to wear trousers and brogues at inspection as men did. Why? Because often inspections took place outdoors, and high heels sink into grass. THEY WERE NOT PRACTICAL. I was a “desk driver” so did not have duties which involved climbing ship’s ladders or a lot of other active movement. But I assure you, in Uhura’s position going on a landing party I would certainly not be wearing a minidress. All she has to do is climb stairs in front of Ensign Ricky and he could see all the way to gay Paree. Fall on those stairs and she’d get skinned knees, thighs, elbows … so basically IMHO Uhura’s an idiot to wear that dress anywhere but at her station on the bridge. And my apologies to Ms Saldana’s arm muscles which are quite impressive, yet still feminine.

So I hope the point is taken that minidresses are not practical, and are deployed by the filmmakers for the purpose of “eye candy.” Now, to the delightful differences between men and women: these can be enjoyed in full when people are off-duty.

While I don’t think the women’s uniforms in Trek should be identical to the men’s, I think the women could wear a “feminine” version of the tunic over, say, leggings; the minidress design could almost be the same, but with long sleeves. Perhaps short sleeves could be available to both sexes. But there would need to be some rank display somewhere.

By the way, the uniform standards in the US military do not permit for skirts to be as short as Alice Eve’s in the poster. They are supposed to be within four inches of the middle of the knee.

99. Jack - March 28, 2013

96.” By the way, if I wasn’t clear putting a woman in pants in 1964 was still sort of taboo.”

Was it? Lucy And Ethel wore them often, 14 years earlier. And remember Laura Petri’s capri pants? I asked my mom and she said they wore pants to school in the mid-60s.

By the way, those TOS skirts have matching shorts underneath. And the nylons were made of space age polymers and were cold/vacuum/radiation proof.

J

100. somethoughts - March 28, 2013

#95-97

Well said, I am a man that admires beauty and respect woman as equals and have no issues with sexuality displayed in the media.

I don’t think I am pro skirt or pro pants but I am pro choice.

If female star fleet members were given the choice of pants or skirts, it would be up to them to decide. I have no idea what the majority or minority would choose as I am not female but I think I am against oppression and out right banning wearing skirts for females under the impression that it improves productivity and efficiency.

How males act in relation to what females wear or dress should be directly pointed at parenting and proper education, we have laws in society to punish gropers and rapists.

101. Jack - March 28, 2013

“So I hope the point is taken that minidresses are not practical, and are deployed by the filmmakers for the purpose of “eye candy.” Now, to the delightful differences between men and women: these can be enjoyed in full when people are off-duty.”

Of course they’re not practical. But this is a movie based on a ’60s show. And the crazy minis and makeup are part of the retro vibe.

102. somethoughts - March 28, 2013

#97-99 dam numbering

103. Keachick - March 28, 2013

In a still photo of a scene from STID, we see Carol Marcus also wearing navy blue overalls – overalls would have to be the most impractical of attire.

104. Curious Cadet - March 28, 2013

@98 Jack,
“the nylons were made of space age polymers and were cold/vacuum/radiation proof.”

Ha!

Of course Zoe doesn’t wear those …

As for whether women wore pants in the 60s, well of course they did, because it was practical to do so. But Hollywood was a different story. Lucy was a groundbreaker, and because it was such a successful show she could do just about anything she wanted. I’m not certain but I believe Mary Tyler Moore was in the same boat and of course had Lucy to point to. But in the office place and in most other media, pants on a woman were still mostly taboo, especially if that woman was in charge of anything. Can’t have the woman “wearing the pants” in the family after all …

Enjoy the history of pants and women courtesy Trekkiegal63:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tove-hermanson/women-pants-politics_b_541555.html

105. Curious Cadet - March 28, 2013

@102 Keachick,
“overalls would have to be the most impractical of attire.”

What the what?

Overalls are still fairly commonplace in most mechanical working environments, from car mechanics to military jet pilots, and very practical. They’re one piece, so no loose ends coming apart and getting caught in anything, easy in and out with one zipper. Plenty of pockets to hold tools, etc. and they actually looked pretty good as the BDU of Enterprise on both men and women.

Not sure what you’re referencing with that.

106. Keachick - March 28, 2013

I referenced this before on this or another thread here. With one piece outfits, you have to strip off just to go wee…seems silly when a two piece outfit solves that.

107. Anthony Pascale - March 28, 2013

Somethouights re: video
Yes we featured that here a long while back when it first appeared on Facebook as part of the Esurance cross promotion. It is also on the TM STID page here (with all other videos, images, etc)
http://trekmovie.com/st-into-darkness/#Trailers

108. somethoughts - March 28, 2013

#107

Thanks Anthony :)

109. Commodore Adams - March 29, 2013

So, do we know yet which trailer is shown with G.I. Joe here in North America?

110. Killamarshtrek - March 29, 2013

Some more SPOILERY pictures here: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BatFreak/news/?a=76653
Including this one which is obviously the moment Kirk breaks the prime directive & beams Spock out of he volcano!

111. Commodore Adams - March 30, 2013

@110. Killamarshtrek

Sweet thanks for the pics. I love the one with JJ on the bridge of another starship, that is one good looking bridge.

112. Curious Cadet - March 30, 2013

@ 111 Commodore Adams,
“I love the one with JJ on the bridge of another starship, that is one good looking bridge.”

I skimmed over it so fast, I assumed it was the Enterprise.

Get a load of the uniforms, blue bodies with gray raglan sleeves. They are identical construction to the original TOS uniforms, but with gray sleeves. They look like baseball jerseys …

Very interesting, ese are clearly not the regular Starfleet uniforms that we know from ST09 …

113. somethoughts - March 30, 2013

#112

Yea they look like Kelvin era jerseys…

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