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TrekInk: Review of Star Trek #19 with preview and other comics news March 29, 2013

by Mark Martinez , Filed under: Comics,Review,Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback

Archer's mutt IDW Publishing originally scheduled release of Star Trek #19 for next week, but Diamond Comic Distributors had other plans and everyone gets to learn a little about Montgomery Scott’s background this week. Spoilers and more ahead.

Star Trek #19
Written by Mike Johnson, story consultant Roberto Orci, art by Claudia Balboni, inks by Erica Durante, colors by Arianna Florean, color supervisor Claudia SGC, letters by Neil Uyetake, edited by Scott Dunbier

Story

During a raging storm aboard HMS Enterprise in 1787, Mister Scott vows “If we go down today, we go down with sails full!” An exciting legacy for young Monty who’s been taught that engineering is in his blood. So why is fixing his grandfather’s old bagpipes so difficult? Young Monty learns another lesson during a clandestine visit to the nearby shipyard where his father works. Is he too smart for his own good? A few years later, his enthusiasm for destructive experimentation results in a rejected application to Starfleet Academy. Later, while working on a freighter, he assists a Starfleet ship in distress and finally makes his way to the Academy. An experiment with a homemade transporter and a beagle demonstrates once again that he might be too smart for his own good. At an icy cold backwater assignment, Monty’s buddy Keenser finally fixes those old bagpipes and Montgomery Scott worries that they might be related.

The little devil

Where no little devil has gone before!

Review

Continuing their look at the rest of the original series bridge crew, Mike Johnson and Roberto Orci tell us a little about Montgomery Scott’s family, childhood, and occasional misbehavior. In the original series, we never learned very much about Scott’s past. In fact, it’s mostly in comics and novels where Montgomery Scott has any kind of life before the Enterprise. I found this retrospective helpful, filling out a character that I didn’t really know very well. It’s difficult not to compare Scott’s story with those of McCoy and Uhura in the previous two issues of the ongoing series. McCoy’s story was uninformative. Uhura’s story was poignant and satisfying. And Scott’s story? Amusing, but I still don’t understand how he’s managed to avoid being thrown in the brig. Nevertheless, this is the first comic in the ongoing series that explains why Scott is the person he is. The writers and artists have done their job well.

I really enjoyed the artwork by Claudia Balboni and Erica Durante in this issue. In particular, young Monty Scott looks just like the older version we know from the film. They also do a fine, if somewhat unfortunate, beagle. Their colleagues, Arianna Florean and Claudia SGC, also do a good job coloring the events of Scott’s life, meshing well with the tone of the storytelling. All three covers for Star Trek #19 feature Montgomery Scott. On Tim Bradstreet’s art cover, Scott looks like he’s up to some mischief and on the retailer incentive photo cover, it looks like the mischief has blown up in his face. Very appropriate for this character.

Star Trek #19 cover art by Tim Bradstreet

Cover: Art by Tim Bradstreet

Star Trek #19 RI A cover art by Tim Bradstreet Star Trek #19 RI B photo cover

Cover RI A: Art by Tim Bradstreet, Cover RI B: Photo cover

Star Trek #19 was released Wednesday, March 27, in print and digital format. This issue will be collected in a trade paperback this summer, Star Trek, Volume 5, July 2013.

Preview of Star Trek #19

Star Trek #19 page 1 Star Trek #19 page 2 Star Trek #19 page 3 Star Trek #19 page 4 Star Trek #19 page 5 Star Trek #19 page 6 Star Trek #19 page 7

Also released this week

Star Trek: The Next Generation – Hive
Story by Brannon Braga, script by Terry Matalas and Travis Fickett, art by Joe Corroney, ink assists by Matt Fillbach and Shawn Fillbach, color by Hi-Fi, letters by Shawn Lee, edited by Scott Dunbier

In the distant future the entire galaxy has been completely assimilated by Borg and it’s king… Locutus! The only hope for the future lies in the past, in the hands of Captain Jean-Luc Picard and the crew of the Starship Enterprise—as Picard faces off against the Borg collective in one final, terrifying, and definitive encounter!
TPB • FC • $17.99 • 104 pages • ISBN 978-1-61377-566-0

Star Trek: The Next Generation - Hive TPB, cover art by Joe Corroney

Cover: Art by Joe Corroney

In other news: Next Generation/Doctor Who artist raising funds

Artist J.K. Woodward and his family lost their home last November in Hurricane Sandy. He is selling signed and numbered 11×17 prints of his artwork at very reasonable prices to raise some funds for a new home. Three of the ten prints, displayed below, have a Star Trek/Doctor Who theme. You can order these prints and more from Woodward’s blog at http://jkwoodwardart.blogspot.com/2013/03/2-week-limited-print-run.html.

Ponds on the Edge of Forever, art by J.K Woodward

Ponds on the Edge of Forever, art by J.K Woodward

Bad Wolf 359, art by J.K Woodward

Bad Wolf 359, art by J.K Woodward

The Needs of the Many Outweigh the Needs of the Ood, art by J.K Woodward

The Needs of the Many Outweigh the Needs of the Ood, art by J.K Woodward

And one more tidbit about some forthcoming Star Trek comics

Later this year, IDW Limited, an imprint of IDW Publishing, is planning to release the first volume in what appears to be a series of deluxe limited edition hardcover books featuring Star Trek comics. For more information, here is the Spring 2013 launch schedule where you can also sign up for the IDW Limited newsletter. Apparently a second volume is already in the works. Artist Joe Corroney mentioned that he is working on some sketches for Star Trek Volume Two Deluxe Limited Edition in an interview at StarTrek.com. IDW Limited editions come in Red Label and Black Label varieties. Red Label editions have a print run of several hundred copies priced at $100 or $125, while the Black Label editions may be limited to as few as five or ten copies and come with original art drawn by artists like Corroney. Black Label editions are priced from $325 to $425.

Mark Martinez is an obsessive-compulsive Star Trek comics reader and collector. You can visit his website, the Star Trek Comics Checklist for more than you ever needed to know about Star Trek comics.

Comments

1. Gilberto - March 29, 2013

Happy Easter, friends!

2. Curious Cadet - March 29, 2013

So we get Scotty in April, leaving Sulu and Chekov to squeeze in before the movie opens. Wonder which one is going to get left out before the film opens?

It’s interesting they gave us Bones first before Uhura considering the dismissed role he plays in the movies. A respectful nod to the hard core fans who are the primary demographic buying these comics? Still sad Scotty took a backseat to Uhura, but that’s progress I suppose.

My bet is Sulu for May and Checkov in June. Unless … There is something in Chekov’s past that ties into the movie (considering we see him in two different uniforms), in which case reverse it.

3. Doctor Roberts - March 29, 2013

Love Scotty, and I love the idea that generations of Scotts have been into sailing and travel of all sorts. From these preview pages, the story looks like it’ll be fun, although some of the ‘future’ backgrounds are a little bland.

Being British Royal Navy Historian, I have to nitpick just a smidge.

The ship is wrong for the 1780′s, the Captain’s uniform isn’t right for the era depicted either… though I like the artistic touch of the Trek arrowhead logo on his epaulettes.

It would have been more along the lines of THIS:

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/71232.html

4. Phil - March 29, 2013

I need more out of these sails, Mr. Scott….

Bad dialog. Bad, bad…

5. KMKProd - March 29, 2013

Nice to see the space shuttle in there a few times. And Christopher being one of Scotty’s names; never knew that. A neat nod to Chris Doohan perhaps?

6. Curious Cadet - March 29, 2013

@3. Doctor Roberts,
“I love the idea that generations of Scotts have been into sailing and travel of all sorts … Being British Royal Navy Historian, I have to nitpick just a smidge.”

I don’t know why but I always thought it had been said Scotty was descended from generations of engineers. In fact I thought it had been spoken in an episode of TOS, but perhaps it was my own inferred backstory.

As for being accurate, considering it is an imagined flashback during a bedtime story, perhaps Monty’s own imagination at work, it’s probably OK. It would certainly explain why the epaulets have the Trek shield on them. Same for the dialogue. Neither mum, nor Monty likely know the exact terminology used …

7. Mark Martinez - March 29, 2013

@2 Curious Cadet: Star Trek #20, tentatively scheduled for release mid-April , will look at both Sulu and Chekov.

8. Chris Doohan - March 29, 2013

Bob Orci.

Can’t wait to read this one. My twin brother ( Monty ) will get a kick out of it as well.

9. Bob Tompkins - March 29, 2013

I too think it is kind of sad that Doctor McCoy was dismissed from the Triad in the first of the new movies in favor of Uhura.
It is the one thing that sets this Trek apart from the original and it is pandering of the worst sort.

10. rm10019 - March 29, 2013

8 – I believe that horse is dead

11. Jack - March 29, 2013

I don’t really understand where this idea that Uhura supplanted McCoy comes from, apart from her being on posters. The movie is about the forming of relationships… and McCoy has more lines and, I think, more screen time than Uhura. Sure there was a bit of a weak romantic triangle, mostly in Kirk’s, er, head, going on. Are we saying it should be have been a K/S/Mc triangle?

12. Balock@Tryana.net - March 29, 2013

These one-off character back-story comics are HORRENDOUS. If there was a way to get my money back, I would. The art/storytelling is so bland that the English language should protest over being forced to be used in such a manner to tell these inane stories.

13. TrekkerChick - March 29, 2013

@3 Fair point….

Although… I would suggest that, since this is being portrayed (apparently — although I’m not going to assert that was deliberate on the part of the artist) as being from young Monty’s imagination of the story being told — rather than a true “this is the way it was at the time — a little license is reasonable.

14. Phil - March 29, 2013

Capt: I need more from the sails, Mr. Scott!
Scott: I’m blowin as hard as I can, sir!

Gotta love oral history….

15. Curious Cadet - March 29, 2013

@7. Mark Martinez,
“Star Trek #20, tentatively scheduled for release mid-April , will look at both Sulu and Chekov.”

Wow. How sad for already marginalized characters to be slighted yet again. While this works for the timing of the movie, surely there is more to these two characters deserving of their own full single issues.

Also the idea that they somehow belong together in the same issue simply because they sat at the same workstation on the bridge for two seasons is kind of specious. Especially considering their roles in the new film — Chekov obviously had a very different journey in the alternate universe, it being implied he was already serving onboard the Enterprise with Pike, while Sulu was a backup helmsman right out of the Academy.

16. Curious Cadet - March 29, 2013

@11. Jack,
“I don’t really understand where this idea that Uhura supplanted McCoy comes from, apart from her being on posters.”

I think Uhura’s role is much more important in ST09 than McCoy’s whether he had more screen time or not. And she looks to be much more integral in the forthcoming film than McCoy, at least from what I have seen in the trailers. Making her the third image on the posters sort of reinforces this idea. Indeed she seems to have become the moral compass, not McCoy. And she’s already working on the bridge where she can readily interject herself (something Prime Uhura rarely did), a place McCoy really never had any reason to be most of the time he was there.

Of course, we know this Kirk has a thing for kinky threesomes now, so who knows maybe it makes sense to form a new triangular relationship with Uhura. I mean Did Kirk ever really lose his sexual interest in Uhura? Perhaps that’s why Kirk is working so hard to be Spock’s friend — a few Romulan ales late one night between the three of them and who knows? /s

17. Iva - March 29, 2013

Yup. Doctor McCoy looses when compared to all of the possibilities having a sexually available woman in the trio gives writers in terms of pandering to the general intellectually challenged audience. This is no longer science fiction, dear boys, you may as well stop mourning the loss.

18. Keachick - March 29, 2013

There is a picture of a beagle in the article. A Porthos descendant?

Kirk needs a dog – a beagle mascot…you read it here first!…:)

(Never been more serious).

19. Keachick - March 29, 2013

Speak for yourself, Iva…oops, forgive me, you were, as in one of the intellectually challenged audience you so glibly refer to.

20. Tallguy - March 29, 2013

Rory in a Red Shirt is so perfect the mind boggles.

21. The Hound of the Watervilles - March 29, 2013

I see that Linlithgow has been “officially” recognised as Mr. Scott’s birthplace. I recall that several Scottish towns were arguing about where it …er…will be.

22. JRT! - March 29, 2013

@8 – Chris,do you have a bigger role in the new movie? I hope so!

I love these character back stories! McCoy one was uninformative!?! Nah,it was good. Also enjoying Countdown to Darkness,just read issue 3,and the Scotty one…issue 19…today. And it’s still March,lol! Some other back stories in April and May I hope.

J-R!

23. BatlethInTheGroin - March 29, 2013

Hive was godawful. I don’t understand how that one was greenlighted. IDW used to give a damn about quality.

24. Jemini - March 29, 2013

man I couldn’t wait for the comics about Uhura and Mccoy and was so eager to get my hands on those but I have to admit that I totally forgot about they’d release one about Scotty too. Sorry Scotty. Countdown to darkness #4 has distracted me also. I’m not thaaaaat interested in this one tbh but I’m here to say thank you to the writers for the comics, these ones about the backstories of the characters had been a good idea.

25. Ahmed - March 29, 2013

@ 23. BatlethInTheGroin – March 29, 2013

“Hive was godawful. I don’t understand how that one was greenlighted. IDW used to give a damn about quality.”

I didn’t read the Hive yet, but is planning to buy it. What is so bad about it ?

26. Jemini - March 29, 2013

19: lolz I’m laughing at the “sexually available woman in the trio” and “pandering to the general intellectually challenged audience” (repeat with me: general. intellectually. challenged. audience)
judging from the first sentence, the latter could be autobiographical.

27. Phil - March 29, 2013

Amazed at the few individuals who seem to feel that watching Star Trek adds IQ points. Really?

28. JRT! - March 29, 2013

It’s just a tv show,or movie,lol! I watched a lot of things,dumb 80′s stuff like Knight Rider,Greatest American Hero,Automan,Doctor Who,ST TNG and so on,but they’re just fun old stuff. IQ points!? NO WAY! lol! No tv show can do that,still fun though.

J-R!

29. Vultan - March 29, 2013

#27

Yes, really.

Can’t speak for others, but as a kid growing up in rural America in the late ’80s and early ’90s, I can tell you watching Trek did teach me quite a few things. I mean, I wasn’t exposed to Shakespeare, Melville, Milton, and a encyclopedia of scientific terms and theories by watching Sesame Street and Ninja Turtles. And I certainly did learn those things in my small, underfunded school.

30. Vultan - March 29, 2013

Correction: “…DID NOT learn those things in my small, underfunded school.”

31. Jack - March 29, 2013

29. Agreed. And inspiration to learn.

I think this is why the extreme technobabble later on started to bug me (because the science turned entirely into magic to do whatever the plot required) — of course the original trek wasn’t perfectly accurate and some of the science was preposterous — but you had the sense that they really were trying.

I know these comics are short. But, yes, reducing entire personalities and life choices to a single childhood experience (yes, Uhura’s was huge) seems a little, er, easy. Sure, you can say they’re representative of their entire childhoods and lives, but…

That said, they’re fun and pretty clever.

32. Jack - March 29, 2013

Hey, cc. I don’t see how Uhura is the moral center. Sure, she was comforting Spock and will have all sorts of heart-to-hearts with him, I’m sure (which McCoy never did with Spock). Again, this next one might be different, but we just don’t know yet.

And McCoy was constantly on the bridge in TOS. Does giving Uhura more to do necessarily steal from McCoy? I think it’s a separate argument (not liking Uhura’s expanded role / and wanting McCoy to do more). Sure, more McCoy would be terrific. But why blame that on the Uhura character? Should McCoy have been fighting with Kirk on the drilling platform? Should he have been the whiz kid?

Kelly, Nimoy and Shatner (in reverse order) were the stars of the show, sure. And they were often featured together. But I think the triad gets exaggerated. Urban did some of what Kelly’s McCoy did — he challenged Spock, he supported (sort of) Kirk (and I wish we’d gotten a “Dammit Jim,
you know damned well why you need to beat this test, and it has nothing to do with fairness.” or something that shows a bit of a closer relationship.)
Remember that Spock had just met both of them.

Heck, even if you’d written Uhura out of the last one entirely, it wouldn’t have done much for McCoy’s character.

She didn’t do anything, I think, that McCoy would have traditionally done.

That said, you feel the way you feel. But I wonder if some people are just annoyed that Uhura was made an important character and not just a leggy switchboard operator. Is it because she’s a woman? or a black woman? I have no idea.

33. Jack - March 29, 2013

BTW, I don’t think this is honestly about sexism or any ism. And I do agree that the Uhura bit seemed calculated to add a little sexy to the proceedings. I’m hoping she’s more than that.

34. Copper Based Blood - March 29, 2013

Nice Story, But In the original timeline didn’t Scotty have a Sister & not a brother?

35. Andrew - March 29, 2013

Trek #19 was a lot of fun. I really like this incarnation of Scotty.

36. Jefferies Tuber - March 29, 2013

Bad writing. Why is this one so bad?

37. Copper Based Blood - March 29, 2013

Only thing I did not like about this Story was the HMS Enterprise bit, so Scotty is telling a Story to Keesner about being told a story from his Mother.

Nice though they gave Scotty 2 middle names.

38. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - March 29, 2013

Didn’t Bob Orci lie to us about the new Trek Movie. I know he did. But. Since he Lied then he told the Truth. But if he told us the Truth then how could he Lie. But since he Lied he told the Truth!. So how did he Lie and tell the Truth about Lying!!!!!!!!. I mean Come on!!!! How did he Lie when ye told us the Truth!!!! He Lied to us all!!!. But he Told the Truth!!!!. Illogical! Illogical!!!!! Please Explain!!. Only an Orci can Explain!!!!!!.

39. Phil - March 29, 2013

@29. Perhaps, to clarify – beliving Trek to be superior broadcasting, that watching it makes one superior as well. The elitism oozing from that ‘general intellectually challenged audience’ crack rubbed me the wrong way. This ‘my $hit doesn’t stink’ attitude wasn’t something I got out of Trek.

40. NuWisdom - March 29, 2013

#38 calm down and don’t think too hard, or you’ll give your positronic net a cascade failure ;) LOL

41. NuWisdom - March 29, 2013

The only thing that would have made that Ponds On The Edge of Forever artwork even more poignant, would have been if there’d been Weeping Angels on the other side of the Guardian instead of a Borg and a Dalek.

42. pauln6 - March 29, 2013

The Scotty story was lightweight but gave us a bit of insight into his lack of boundaries in his research. It’s nonsense to suggest he should not to take risks to carry out research – his problem is that he takes those risks without regard for safety even for animal life. A bit like the idiot scientists in Prometheus – and nobody wants that!

The story also highlights the oddity of Keenser being a senior officer (a lieutenant) again rather than a non-commissioned officer, which have made more sense. Keenser had functioned as the chief engineer at the outpost for years according to his own origin comic but Scotty is then posted there straight from the Academy as a punishment and yet it seems like Keenser is not his superior? Talented or not, it’s clear that Keenser should be in charge. Looks like racism to me!

A few more women featured in this one though, including a captain – so I’m pleased at their efforts on that front!

I’m also enjoying Countdown to Darkness. I wish they’d run some longer 4 issue stories in the ongoing title too. I’m glad it’s running parallel to the origin stories or I’d be fed up getting so many short stories in a row.

43. Jack - March 29, 2013

39. Fair enough. I get irked by people who think they helped solve racism and ended the Cold War by watching a TV show.

44. Vultan - March 29, 2013

#39

Yeah, no argument here.
Wouldn’t say it makes one superior. A little wiser maybe.

45. Curious Cadet - March 29, 2013

@32 Jack,
“not liking Uhura’s expanded role / and wanting McCoy to do more”

This may be the crux of the issue. However, this is essentially replacing McCoy as far as the story is concerned. Had they written Uhura out, it would have been a different story, perhaps without the Uhura/Spock romance, the three boys would have gotten to know each other better and you would have gotten a few more of those classic lines. The story and the characters’ place in it are not mutually exclusive. A perfect example of this is where Uhura steals a classic McCoy line after Spock relinquishes command and Kirk takes the big chair — “I hope you know what you’re doing”. I believe McCoy said exactly that at least once in an episode of TOS. I’m all for giving Uhura more to do, but by inserting her into a romance with Spock, it necessarily monopolizes some of his time he would have otherwise spent dealing with McCoy and Kirk. Plus, it’s a relationship!! How would your wife or girlfriend feel if you wanted to spend every night with your buddy Bones and Jim? It necessarily elevates her to the second most important person in Spock’s life, followed by Kirk. Obviously McCoy comes in 4th in that equation.

But your point is taken, Uhura is more like a less annoying counselor Troi, empathic, but not necessarily a moral compass. However, if you break the formula down to Logos, Ethos and Pathos, then Uhura is definitely competing with McCoy for that 3rd spot. Perhaps Uhura and McCu can share that role. Who knows. But I’d sure like to see more McCoy/Spock and less Uhura/Spock. Send Uhura on away missions with Kirk and Spock — McCoy had no business on most of those adventures anyway, except to temper Kirk and Spock’s decisions. And I really don’t understand why he’s on Nibiru with Kirk. But when they’re on the ship, I don’t need Uhura monopolizing Spock’s time from interacting with McCoy. As much as McCoy hung around the bridge, Spock seemed to spend a lot of time hanging around SickBay — something I would have enjoyed seeing in the last film.

46. Lostrod - March 29, 2013

Weird night.

Wife was watching a General Hospital marathon and I noticed Walter Koenig was on the premier episode.

So was Roy Thinnes from The Invaders …

Never knew that.

Regards.

47. Thomas - March 29, 2013

39. Phil

I wholeheartedly agree with you. There seems to be this mentality among Trekkies/Trekkers that Star Trek was made literally just for them, that Gene Roddenberry designed it to appeal only to a certain select group of people, and that if you don’t like it, you must not be very smart. To believe (even subconsciously) that liking Star Trek is some proof of intellectual superiority, even when one’s enjoyment is purely subjective, is naive at best and supremely arrogant at worst. Roddenberry wanted Star Trek to be something that would elevate people, not pander to a self-styled intellectual minority. I think part of Star Trek’s appeal is that it could tackle important issues but in a style and format that is easily accessible. You don’t have to be very smart to watch and appreciate Star Trek, but I think it helps you appreciate a little differently than you would otherwise. Whether you were smart or dumb, if it made you think (and entertained you at the same time), then Star Trek was successful.

48. Jack - March 29, 2013

“There seems to be this mentality among Trekkies/Trekkers that Star Trek was made literally just for them, that Gene Roddenberry designed it to appeal only to a certain select group of people, and that if you don’t like it, you must not be very smart.”

Bang on. And dare to criticize Trek or some of Roddenberry’s more enterprenierial-motivitated ideaa and you’re accused of insulting everyone who’s ever watched the show, and that guy who invented the cellphone.

49. CmdrR - March 29, 2013

In one frame there’s not a thread on the spars. In the next, they’re at full sail in a hurricane. Huh?? How do you have a continuity error on two adjoining frames of a comic book?

50. JRT! - March 30, 2013

It’s just a comic. And no,it wasn’t boring,lol! But that’s just an opinion of course. I always look forward to a new issue since it’s just a fun read. I get other comics as well though.

J-R!

51. Ashley - March 30, 2013

<3 Scotty! I'm an engineer at heart, and no matter what timeline or depiction of him, he's always been and will be a role-model to me.

52. Jason S. - March 30, 2013

Great to see the Borg again. I hope they stay defeated for good this time!

53. Christopher Roberts - March 30, 2013

I take it Porthos’ agent asks for less, when it comes to having his likeness immortalised in a comic book. :)

Scott Bakula ought to lower his prices, so we can see Admiral Archer!

54. Aurore - March 30, 2013

“…At an icy cold backwater assignment, Monty’s buddy Keenser finally fixes those old bagpipes and Montgomery Scott worries that they might be related.”
_______

:))

55. Riker's Mailbox - March 30, 2013

I have a rather cynical reason why Uhura has taken over the third position in the movie posters and story over Bones. You have to see it from a business lens and not a Star Trek one. In order for Star Trek to be a first rated tentpole franchise both domestically and internationally, it has to appeal to as many people as possible.

Typically, Trek does well in Germany, The UK, and the Scandinavian countries. It doesn’t do well in Spain, Italy, South America, and Russia. So for it to be more ‘accessible’ to those people, the movie looks as though it is Earth-based. They’ve basically taken the ‘Star’ out of Star Trek.

In order to further reach more people, they moved Uhura into the 3rd spot instead of Bones. Trek has always been about the Kirk, Spock, Bones, trifecta. To modern audiences, especially to the 12 yr to 18 yr old demographic, the Kirk/Spock/Bones relationship has gay undertones. I’m not saying people will think that they’re gay. I’m saying that in terms of marketability, putting 2 guys and a girl on a poster reaches a lot more people than three guys. It’s cynical, I know.

Also, Nero changed history in order to essentially change the character of Kirk. J.J. felt that cerebral Kirk was not relatable to the young male demographic. Killing off his father gave Kirk an adolescent, angsty sensibility. These two movies allow us to see him ‘grow up’ and move away from that 14 year old mindset, something that the targeted demographic can relate to.

In addition, giving Kirk this new angsty and emotional mindset gives Bones less to do, as Bones was always the Yin to Spock’s Yang and Kirk was always the observer/mediator between the two. So now, Kirk is the action/emotional opposite to Spock, but Uhura serves as the love/emotional opposite to Spock. Again, this is all easy to digest to a modern audience.

56. Trek Fan - March 30, 2013

I don’t get you guys. Did you not see the first movie? McCoy’s role was not diminished in order to give Uhura a bigger role. And no one has seen this movie yet to make that statement again. We can obviously see that McCoy and Kirk have a seen together. We can see that Uhura has a scene with Kirk & Spock. Wait until the movie comes out before you start bitching about it.

Do you guys not know that the poster you saw was an INTERNATIONAL poster? Trek has never done well in Europe. Putting Uhura on the poster along with Kirk & Spock holding phasers makes perfect sense. THIS appeals to the European market.

As for Uhura’s “expanded” role… I think that is what was missing from TOS, a strong female character. Uhura & Rand were minor roles back then. “Hailing frequencies, open.”

The character of the original Number 1 didn’t work back then because the mentality of the 60s couldn’t accept a woman being second in command.

I think it’s great that they are giving Uhura a stronger role. I don’t think it comes at the expense of a smaller role for McCoy. I think JJ is trying to give all the supporting cast more to do in the current movies.

I’ve been a fan of the show since the 70s – I have seen all the incarnations of Trek through the years. Change is good. Trek has to grow with the world or it will remain stagnant. The TOS movies were not like TOS from TV. The only movie that came close to the original series was TFF. Great character moments, a misdirected “bad guy”, a smaller scale Trek. As much as people panned it – it was the closest to TOS.

Good Lord people. Wake up and give your head’s a shake. Trek has never been in the public eye as much as it is now. Trek has never been as popular. Trek has never been able to pull non-Trek fans into theaters as well as Trek fans. STID is going to be a big movie and it will make big money. If you feel like this “isn’t your Trek” or that JJ is ruining it… then stop complaining and just don’t go see it.

That’s my rant for today.

57. Jemini - March 30, 2013

45. Curious Cadet
“I’m all for giving Uhura more to do, but by inserting her into a romance with Spock, it necessarily monopolizes some of his time he would have otherwise spent dealing with McCoy and Kirk. Plus, it’s a relationship!! How would your wife or girlfriend feel if you wanted to spend every night with your buddy Bones and Jim? It necessarily elevates her to the second most important person in Spock’s life, followed by Kirk. Obviously McCoy comes in 4th in that equation.”

(emphasis mine)


..
LOL k

you make it seems that friendship is a damn sect and a competition…. it’s almost creepy not to mention naive to me tbh.
IDK, If you’re one of those people that if they have a friend they don’t have a girlfriend/spouse because they consider the two things mutually exclusive.. (so it seems), I really don’t know what to say to that…

Once upon a time I watched a show called star trek and there was an interesting character named Spock who didn’t have a girlfriend because the he wasn’t allowed to by the cultural rules of the time and Shatner’s ego but I don’t remember him ever wanting to spend every night or all his free time, for that matter, with his buddies or that the said buddies wanted to spend all their time with him (he wasn’t a social butterfly…)

Maybe (and I mean maybe!) these writers just think that Spock is as much a protagonist as Kirk SO he deserves to have (just for once, omg) a life outside of that friendship because he’s first foremost Spock and not just SpockFriendOftheStarOftheShow.
IDK…How weird for them to think it would be a tad more realistic!
and how weird for them to think that in the 2013 people expect to finally see a prominent female character and this doesn’t have to be that “guys only” club it was in the 60s where sexism, bigotry and racism had been the main reason why it was such a guys only club.

58. FrancoMiranda - March 30, 2013

I’m Scottish and I’m slightly outraged at the idiotic portrayal of Scotty up there. I don’t think the writers could have picked a better way to obliterate the suspension of belief for Scottish fans. Kilts? Bagpipes? I mean come on, get a grip. What a joke. And an insulting one at that. I’m actually thinking of writing a letter of complaint.

59. Trekitechture Guy - March 30, 2013

Fourth image, last panel nitpick:

Maybe Scotland’s architecture changes radically between now and 2231, but American-style single-family houses with siding aren’t really to be found in Linlithgow. Or anywhere in the British Isles, really.

Sandstone, limestone, stucco exterior, half-beam Tudor-style, and red-brick semidetached houses are far, far more common. Doesn’t take that much Googling to find good reference images.

60. FrancoMiranda - March 30, 2013

Update: letter of complaint – sent!

61. Trek Fan - March 30, 2013

58. FrancoMiranda

Wow, talk about overreacting! My family is Scottish. And most are still in Scotland. When I visited them – they wore kilts. My Uncle and my cousins play the bagpipes. Over here in the States, I do have a kilt – my family’s tartan. My father plays the bagpipes. When my Grandfather died – we had a piper play at his funeral.

Your over reaction is an insult to my Scottish heritage. Kilts, bagpipes and haggis are all part of our heritage. Long live Scotland!

62. Diego - March 30, 2013

Their HMS Enterprise was pretty terrible. It looked like some sort of 16th century galleon-type vessel but it’s obviously set in the Napoleonic War period. In Star Trek terms it’s like using a picture of the NX-01 instead of the Enterprise-D. I guess they might be able to use the excuse that it’s all in the imagination of a little boy, but I still found it vexing.

Also, I’m surprised they didn’t simply go with a Scott as an engineer on a sail & steam warship from a little later in the 19th century. That would have been a better parallel.

“Make more steam, Mr. Scott!”

63. FrancoMiranda - March 30, 2013

60.

Well I can tell you that your relatives are definitely a minority! I’m not saying that there’s anything wrong with bagpipes or kilts. They ARE part of our heritage. However, what are the chances that Scotty’s suburban family living in Linlithgow are kilt wearing? Linlithgow is in the central belt of Scotland. Not highlands at all, where you might see more kilty people around. If someone saw a person wandering around in a kilt down here, you can pretty much guarantee they would be laughed at. Nobody would do it. It’s seen as something for the tourists by most of us.

Do your relatives wear kilts every day? I bet they don’t casually sit around in them all the time!

64. Trek Fan - March 30, 2013

62. FrancoMiranda

My great uncle and his friends do. When I went to visit family just outside of Edinburgh – I saw lots of people in kilts… young and old. Perhaps you are just too embarrassed by your heritage. But I, for one, am proud.

It would be like a Canadian being insulted by the maple leaf or maple syrup being depicted. My Canadian cousins are very proud of the Maple Leaf and for being associated with maple syrup or hockey or snow. It’s a fact.

Just like it’s a fact that people in Scotland do wear kilts, the still play bagpipes and they do eat haggis. I have been going there since I was a kid and I have seen it.

You completely overreacted buddy.

65. Alf Muir - March 30, 2013

As a Linlithgow resident, I’d like to say that those houses seem a bit American…

66. FrancoMiranda - March 30, 2013

63.

I live here every day of my life and I can count on one hand the times I’ve seen people in kilts (barring weddings, performers in the street playing bagpipes, etc).

Embarrassed? Come on now, I have a tartan, and I have a kilt that I wear at weddings or whatever.

But, you aren’t from here, so you can’t really argue with me about this, since I know for certain that anyone I know would be miffed at this comic, and for that matter, anyone on the street if I were to ask them what they thought.

Go on Google street view and have a look around Scotland for me and tell me how many kilts you see.

67. LJ - March 30, 2013

#3 I was more concerned about the use of the Definite Article in front of the name of the ship (HMS Enterprise), which, as I am sure you are aware is inappropriate.

For those who were not aware, the use of the Definite Article would be appropriate before U.S.S. (whether United States Ship or United Space Ship), the reason it is not used before HMS (His/Her Majesty’s Ship) is because it would not make sense in English to say, for example, ‘the His Majesty’s Ship Enterprise’ (and the captain of said ship in the comic book would have known better than to address the ship as such). The same would apply to Australian (HMAS – His/Her Majesty’s Australian Ship), Canadian (HMCS – His/Her Majesty’s Canadian Ship) or New Zealand (HMNZS – His/Her Majesty’s New Zealand Ship) naval vessels also.

68. Alf Muir - March 30, 2013

63. Yes, some do, but most don’t, and not everyday, to be sure. A bit like portraying all Americans as wearing cowboy boots, loving baseball, and eating Thanksgiving turkey every night. Those were two fantastically stereotypical things to include in a story about our favourite space-Scot; it verges on self-parody.

Maxwell discovered electrodynamics, Watt perfected the steam engine, John Logie Baird invented television and Alexander Graham Bell invented the telephone, surely the idea of young Scotty having to repair something technical wouldn’t be that much of a leap?

69. Spockchick - March 30, 2013

Keenser deserves a demotion for mending bagpipes. They should only be played on a misty day at the top of a hill, not inside a starship (except at Spock’s funeral).

70. Trek Fan - March 30, 2013

65. FrancoMiranda

Big deal! And THAT caused you to be insulted and fire off a complain because they showed bagpipes and Scots in kilts? You don’t think you were overreacting a little there? You found it THAT much of an insult to Scots? I am of Scottish heritage and I see no insult at all. I think it is great that they showed how the Scottish heritage is strong with Mr. Scott and not Americanized like everything else. It shows pride for his heritage.

71. Spockchick - March 30, 2013

@58. FrancoMiranda

Trek is 250 years hence. There might be a resurgence in national pride/dress etc, in 250 years, people might want to hang on to the traditional and familiar to counteract the rise in technology etc.

I live in Edinburgh. I see young lads on nights out wearing kilts, thick jumpers (sweaters) pushed-down woollen socks and Timberland boots quite often. And now it is officially the tourist season, I will soon be avoiding the city centre as I am not a bagpipe fan in streets and enclosed areas.

72. Trek Fan - March 30, 2013

67. Alf Muir

Most Texans do wear cowboy hats and cowboy books and drive pickups. I don’t think you would find a Texan being insulted by a Texan being portrayed that way. And most Americans love baseball, football and apple pie and we do eat turkey on Thanksgiving. How is that insulting and a parody of us? I sit in front of the TV on Superbowl Sunday like most other Americans. That’s who we are and that’s what we are proud of. I saw nothing but pride every time I was in Scotland and people were proud of their kilts… proud of golf being their sport… proud of the bagpipe and proud of haggis. My great aunt make a wicked haggis! She doesn’t eat it every day to be sure … but to be embarrased and insulted by all that? Hmmm. Would you have preferred Scotland to be depicted as American style? Nothing that stands out from there and here in the States? Young Monty has a baseball mitt and watches TV after his dinner of hot dogs and french fries? I think it is great that they show all the things that makes Scotland distinct to be depicted.

73. Alf Muir - March 30, 2013

72. Excuse me, did I mention anything about Texas? I wrote ‘Americans’.

I was just in Austin for SXSW, as it happens, and met many native Austinites, none of whom dressed stereotypically ‘Texan’ as you describe. Not that there’s anything wrong with dressing however you like!

Of course cowboy boots and pickup trucks might not be uncommon in Texas — or indeed any rough and tumble or agricultural part of the Americas; Alberta and Argentina both come to mind.

But if I were to say that *all* Texans ride horses to work and shoot banditos with six-guns for a living, you’d tell me I’d been watching too many Westerns – wouldn’t you?

I know more than a few New Yorkers and Vermonters who would biff you one in the nose if you put them in the same basket as Texans or Alabamans.

So It’s not insulting per se… but it’s lazy writing to put all the cultural clichés into one basket, to hit you over the head with a cartoon hammer that says GET IT?

Scotland as viewed by the occasional tourist might indeed seem all Kilts-n-Castles-R-Us, but the reality is far more mundane. We listen to hip-hop, drive imported Japanese cars, shop at Ikea and eat McDonalds burgers. Teens wear hoodies and trainers, everyone has an iPod and loads of people take all kinds of drugs (shock, horror).

A Quebecois friend told me the Parisians go to Montreal expecting it to be all unspoiled pine trees, lakes and moose, as every Tintin comic book and kids’ adventure movie have told them it is, and are crestfallen to find a built-up North American metropolis with highways and skyscrapers. So they go haring off to some wilderness camp so as to see the ‘real’ Quebec….

74. Ahmed - March 30, 2013

IDW already planning to release a comic sequel to the movie, two weeks after its release !!!

http://www.startrek.com/article/first-look-idws-star-trek-after-darkness

“Star Trek Into Darkness hasn’t even opened yet and already fans are wondering what’s next for the intrepid crew of the starship Enterprise. Well, IDW Publishing has more than a few things to say on the topic as, on May 29, barely two weeks after Star Trek Into Darkness opens, they’ll unveil Star Trek After Darkness, an official, in-canon comic-book sequel that picks up right where Star Trek Into Darkness leaves off.”

75. Spockchick - March 30, 2013

73. Alf Muir

“We listen to hip-hop, drive imported Japanese cars, shop at Ikea and eat McDonalds burgers. Teens wear hoodies and trainers, everyone has an iPod and loads of people take all kinds of drugs (shock, horror).”

That makes me depressed. The homogenisation of culture means we have an eroded identity. I don’t think that is a good thing. If I have to cling to kilts (my tartan is BOWFIN’ by the way), listen to bagpipes on hilltops even though I hate them, and read William Topaz McGonagall, by jove, I will. I am proud of being Scottish, and proud that we have an identity. I am heart sick of apologetic Scots. I am not one, I am proud to be born here. We have a tendency to deprecation and shame, which saddens me. If Kilts and bagpipes allow us as a country to lodge in people’s minds, I think it is worth the ‘stereotyping’.

76. bardicjim - March 30, 2013

I’m a Druid and do my thing in places like Stonehenge! Plenty of culture here!

77. Jack - March 30, 2013

NASA trailer in STID?

http://m.gizmodo.com/5993010/star-trek-into-darkness-will-have-a-nasa-ad-for-real+life-starfleet

78. Jack - March 30, 2013

Franco Miranda, good to see you here. Hope you’re well!

- J

79. Marja - March 30, 2013

I love seeing the kilt and the bagpipes in Scotty’s story. I’m not so sure about him fixing the bagpipes, but kind of like the idea that he’s going to be skilled in repairing many things. I’m with Spockchick; maybe national identity is a point of pride in that time period!

I didn’t like the American-style houses but was glad Scotty was not depicted as a “typical American” kid. And I agree, a Google street search of Linlithgow would have shown some good ol’ Scottish architecture.

I, too, thought “The HMS Enterprise” was ridiculous, not only for the misnomer ["The"] but for the time in which it was set [tho' I adore Patrick O'Brian and Aubrey/Maturin sea tales]. I also thought they should show a Scott in a steamship. They still could have depicted those cool uniforms, because during the time the Royal Navy began using steam power, they were still wearing some pretty spiffing uniforms.

As far as Do Americans all look like Westerners? No, they don’t, because 10-gallon hats are somewhat regional. But George W. Bush wore cowboy boots and purposely talked like a “down-home Westerner” – even Molly Ivins, a Texas journalist, made fun of him for his “accent.” But horse-riding in the US takes many different forms; baseball, apple pie, hot dogs, football and turkey are popular country-wide, as are many other “typical” American things. Scotland is a smaller region than the US, therefore has more of a cultural identity than the US. Hip-hop has spread worldwide, you can hear it in French, Japanese, Korean [Gagnam Style] and African music. It’s not necessarily an eradication of local culture, but another thing added in. To say it’s taken over Scots culture is kind of like saying Mexican food is the major food in the US. It’s enjoyed all over the US, but is an addition to our culture because many Latinos live here and because Americans love it. As we do Chinese, French, Korean, Thai, Eastern European, Middle Eastern and African food.

I also wish the McCoy and Scotty comics had a multiple backstory for the characters [Uhura's was great, sad and significant], but the limited scope of 16 pages forces economy in story-telling [alas for McCoy].

80. Jack - March 30, 2013

“I don’t get you guys. Did you not see the first movie? McCoy’s role was not diminished in order to give Uhura a bigger role”

Yeah, I don’t get this either. The reasoning seems to go, if Uhura wasn’t there they would have written additional, entirely new scenes for McCoy. I think it’s more about a chick getting in the way of the bromantic triangle.

I say we’re darned lucky that a big portion of that last movie wasn’t taken up by a love interest for Kirk who we’d never see again, a la Batman, Raiders, Bond, every other movie ever.

81. Jack - March 30, 2013

“It would be like a Canadian being insulted by the maple leaf or maple syrup being depicted. My Canadian cousins are very proud of the Maple Leaf and for being associated with maple syrup or hockey or snow. It’s a fact.”

Your Scottish and Canadian relatives aside — are you saying Jean Luc Picard should be wearing a beret, carrying a baguette under one arm and playing Piaf on an accordion whilst riding a bicycle? I’m Canadian — no one I knew played hockey, and I grew up thousands of mikes from any sugar maple. Did they show Kirk’s relatives wearing denim overalls and chewing on hay? If the guy doesn’t like it, he doesn’t like it — regardless of your trips to Scotland and your Canadian cousins. ;).

82. Ralph Pinheiro - March 30, 2013

Ant and Dec (UK) to reveal Star Trek Into Darkness exclusive on ITV 1

83. Marja - March 30, 2013

#57 jemini, I love your comment about Spock and Kirk and McCoy’s “guy love” superseding Spock’s relationship with Uhura : ) I found OP’s comment a bit creepy myself.

You are so right about ’60s TV being a white men’s realm. [I was watching TV then; I know]

84. Phil - March 30, 2013

I had a chance to go to Dubai about six years ago, and was a bit dissapointed that the first restaurant I saw was Applebees, and Disney was prominant in the shopping centers…it is, indeed, a small world.

85. Red Dead Ryan - March 30, 2013

Once again, political correctness rears its ugly head on this site!

These comic books are just that….comic books!

They aren’t supposed to be accurate, they just have to be fun!

“Star Trek” comics (and “Star Trek” in general) aren’t the proper forum for cultural education anyway.

You want to learn about other cultures? Take a trip. Read a book. Watch a documentary.

86. Trek Fan - March 30, 2013

73. Alf Muir

Well, the difference between North America and Scotland is that Canada has differences from province to province as the states do from state to state. Do you think of ipods and mcdonalds when you think of Scotland? No. You think of kilts and haggis and bagpipes. When you think of Ireland, you think of beer, shamrocks, st.patrick’s day, etc. When you think of England you think of the Queen and big ben and the thames. When you think of Quebec you think French and poutine and Montreal. When you think of Alberta you think Calgary stampede and cowboys and oil. Know what I am saying?? How would YOU describe Scottish heritage so that it is distinctly Scottish and not be mistaken for American… or Canadian… or British? Hmmm? Yeah, I though so. Bagpipes and kilts.
Were you insulted when you saw James Doohan in a kilt in TOS? How about being insulted by a Canadian doing a Scottish accent? What a slap in the face! Oh my!
For once I have to agree with Red Dead Ryan… it is a comic book! Get over it!

87. Ahmed - March 30, 2013

@85. Red Dead Ryan

“You want to learn about other cultures? Take a trip. Read a book. Watch a documentary.”

Mostly true; however, movies, TV & other media does give you some idea about any given culture. When you watch a movie & look at background scenes, how people move & behave, what kind of transportation they use. Their body language..etc. These can give some sense of the life in these other cultures.

But to truly understand a different culture, you will need to go there & live with them for couple months, not just days.

88. Ahmed - March 30, 2013

@ 82. Ralph Pinheiro – March 30, 2013

“Ant and Dec (UK) to reveal Star Trek Into Darkness exclusive on ITV 1″

The Sun just released & nothing new there.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/film/4866980/watch-first-tv-trailer-for-star-trek-before-takeaway.html

89. Jack - March 30, 2013

Being mildly irritated that your culture is being stereotyped isn’t political correctness. The guy lives in Scotland and he’s saying ‘why the kilt?’ at home in the middle of the day — and people are telling him he’s wrong. He’s a Scottish guy and some other guy’s telling him his opinion is wrong because, hey, other guy has Scottish relatives. Can’t any of us have a personal opinion without it being shot down right away?

Sure, it’s all fun and it doesn’t really matter. But I’d gripe a little if I saw a comic where a Canadian character happened to have a red-coated mountie on a horse, wearing hockeypads, eating maple syrup-covered poutine, with a beaver, while receiving socialized medical treatment in the living room of his igloo.

90. Trek Fan - March 30, 2013

89. Jack

Well Jack, Mounties are Police, they don’t and have never eaten maple syrup poutine (and never depicted that way), but the beaver is on their money and they do receive socialized medicare. Don’t think anyone believes or it’s ever been depicted that Canadians live in igloos. You just don’t get it.

Like I asked him – how would YOU depict someone in Scotland? What says Scotland to you? Big Macs, baseball and iPods? Or kilts and bagpipes? He hasn’t answered yet.. you wanna give it a toss?

91. Jack - March 30, 2013

Why can’t you let the guy be annoyed? I do get it. And, yes — I’m Canadian, I know the bloody stereotypes, thanks.

I’ve lived in Scotland, and I certainly didn’t see people in kilts regularly. Nor did I know anyone who played bagpipes. Whatever — point is, a guy’s a little frustrated by the inaccurate depiction of that part of his country — and people here tell him he’s wrong to feel that way? You can’t just let the guy be annoyed?

You’re saying the only alternative is iPods and McDonalds?

92. Jack - March 30, 2013

How would I depict that scene in Scotland? The same way I’d depict a scene of any guy sitting on the couch in his living room on most of Earth talking to his grandpa. People wear pants. His grandpa would probably be wearing pants. If he was in Japan, China or Korea, his grandpa would be wearing pants. If he was on Berlin, his grandpa would not be standing around the house in Lederhosen. In Hawaii, his grandpa would likely not be wearing a lei and grass skirt. Unless kilts soared in popularity in the next 200-odd years, he’d probably not be lounding around the house in a kilt…

93. Trek Fan - March 30, 2013

92. Jack

Who says EVERYONE is wearing kilts and playing bagpipes? We know that Scotty wore kilts in TOS and he played the bagpipes in TWOK. Who is to say that he didn’t get his national pride from his father or grandfather? We don’t see EVERYONE in Scotland wearing a kilt in the comic and we don’t see EVERYONE playing bagpipes.

I’d love to know if he got so annoyed and pissed off seeing Scotty in a kilt in TOS and playing bagpipes?

The characters are meant to be stereotypical. Do we actually believe that people that far in the future will still have such heavy accents like Chekov and Scotty? Why not just have Scotty without a Scottish accent? Why the “stereotypical” accent? It’s meant to show his ancestry and heritage. Nothing more. Geez, people read way too much into a comic.

94. Red Dead Ryan - March 31, 2013

This comic is about Scotty. It’s not about Scotland as a whole.

Scotty is wearing a kilt and fixing a bagpipe in the comic. Big deal!

I mean really, what were the writers supposed to do? Have Scotty wear shorts and fix a piano?

No! Everyone understands that Scots don’t always wear kilts, nor do they always play the bagpipe. This comic is about one individual’s background. Not an entire population’s background.

This comic was meant to entertain. Nothing more, nothing less. Some of you have really taken this way out of context.

Chief O’Brien once got drunk on an episode of DS9. Yet I don’t see anyone accusing the writers of reinforcing the supposed “drunken Irishman” stereotype. Nor have I seen anyone bitch about Picard being a wine afficianado. No one is screaming “Geez, guys, not all French people drink wine!”

C’mon, already, stop insulting our intelligence already!

95. Red Dead Ryan - March 31, 2013

BTW, I’m a bit surprised that none of you complained about Scotty’s ancestor being an engineer. I mean, not all Scots are engineers.

Whoops! :-)

96. Marja - March 31, 2013

#95, I wouldn’t complain about that b/c Roddenberry thought the engineer should e a Scot b/c of their great history with ships, steam power, &c., and along came Jimmy Doohan who could “do” a Scottish accent …

97. Herb Finn - March 31, 2013

Two pages showing old ships, and neither one didn’t have the NX-01!

They actually resisted the temptation – this time!

98. Keachick - March 31, 2013

Montgomery Christopher Jorgensen Scott? A Scotsman with a touch of Viking as well? Jorgensen is Danish.

Families tend to embellish the feats of their ancestors at times…not that this is necessarily what is happening here. Just saying…:)

I think the writers are trying to give readers a glimpse of our heroes’ cultural background, by pointing to what is distinctive rather than what is commonplace, like McDonalds which is a generic fast food outlet found in most parts of the world. Kilts and bagpipes are what people identify as being distinctively Scottish.

They have made Kirk come from a farming background, along with all the silly, below-the-belt jokes about hicks having sex with animals stuff. Without googling (not coming from Iowa myself and never having been there) I assume that it has been and is still a fairly rural area of the US. Farming of livestock and crops is something many Iowans engage in more than their American counterparts living in other states. In 200+ years from now, similar applies, hence Kirk and his family are mostly people working the land – farmers originally. I have thought of other associations here that the writers and viewers do allude to here, but I won’t…

What can be said of Dr McCoy? He seems to have a similar background to Kirk – perhaps one of the reasons why they seemed to hit it off so quickly – a natural simpatico. I have thought that since little is known of Dr McCoy’s ancestry, perhaps Karl Urban’s country of birth (NZ) and ancestry (on father’s side – German) could be used to give this McCoy more background, as in grounding.

As for the other characters – ask Zoe (Dominican/Puerto Rican), Anton (Russian), John (Korean) and Zachary (perhaps Spock’s mother was of Irish or Italian ancestry).

99. JRT! - March 31, 2013

Jorgensen,or Jørgensen,is actaully Danish-Norwegian. Quite a common name over here,lol!

J-R!

100. totally random - March 31, 2013

@98. The city in Iowa where my sister lives is larger than any one I have ever lived in except Las Vegas (LV was 1.2 million when I was there), and there are three other cities of similar size in the state, and several more of smaller size. While rural areas, and farmland, cover much of the state, as well as rock quarries (such as the one a certain car ended up in), and many other interesting things (just came home from a trip through Iowa, stopped in Riverside to see the Kirk sign), can be found in Iowa, there is a large percentage of urban area as well.

Interstate Highway 80, which connects directly to Chicago, goes right through the center of Iowa, and is a major overland route for East-West travel, in the northern half of the country. Therefore a significant percentage of people in Iowa work in shipping, travel services, and all the other areas people would find employment in a US city, my sister’s husband for example is a computer expert, quite possibly outnumbering the percentage employed in agricultural fields, I do not know this particular point to be certain, it is possible (maybe) that a majority of Iowans are employed in areas that can, at least marginally, be considered part of the agricultural industry (like truck drivers who transport cattle, or employees at the slaughterhouse where the animals will be butchered and processed). However, I consider this highly unlikely.

And now you know, and knowing is half the battle

101. FrancoMiranda - March 31, 2013

Never got annoyed at Scotty wearing a kilt as part of dress uniform as we Scots wear kilts to special events like weddings at which military folk would wear dress uniforms also. I know people who play bagpipes but it’s rare. The chances of seeing all that in one typical Scottish living room … astronomical. Sorry but it’s too contrived!

Lazy writing and art direction if you ask me.

Also please note this is 2013, not the 1960s. You can’t compare standards. The 60s was a time when stereotypes were (even more) rife on American TV.

102. FrancoMiranda - March 31, 2013

Oh also: hey Jack!

103. Curious Cadet - March 31, 2013

@98. Keachick,
“A Scotsman with a touch of Viking as well?”

I don’t want to misread here, are you pleasantly surprised or incredulous?

The Vikings invaded Scotland and Ireland, enslaving both indigenous tribes. And as usual eventually settled down with the natives and interbred. This is why Scots and Irish both have stereotypical red hair and Scandinavian features.

I would be disappointed if Scotty didn’t have Viking blood … Which explains a lot actually.

@92. Jack,
“How would I depict that scene in Scotland? The same way I’d depict a scene of any guy sitting on the couch in his living room on most of Earth talking to his grandpa.”

While I understand your position, from a pragmatic perspective, this is but one day in the life of Monty’s family. I can easily believe on this particular day depicted, that grandpa was wearing his kilt, as it remains a wardrobe staple in most Scotish closets. I’m a Scottish/American, and yes I own a kilt. I don’t wear it often, but when I was a kid, I had to wear it every time we spent a holiday at my great grandmother’s, along with all the other men. Who is to say, this isn’t a moment on Christmas day?

On the other hand, as I mentioned above regarding the anomalies in the Enterprise “flashbacks” bedtime story, these could all be idealized memory embellishments. Just like the Enterprise is likely how young Monty is likely envisioning it as his mom tells the tale, his recall of the time he spent with his grandfather may also be embellished. It’s a flashback, likely from Scotty’s own memory. And as such it’s not that one particular day, but an amalgam of all he holds dear, and his grandfather in a kilt is a fond memory that colors any thoughts he has of the man.

104. Lee - March 31, 2013

We need to face the fact that the Star Trek universe is not our universe. That way the “nitpick” about the 1787 HMS Enterprise isn’t really an error. In that universe, this ship existed. In reality, there is none.

105. LJ - March 31, 2013

Nitpicks aside (and, yes, I had one above) I enjoyed the comic as a light read, and appreciated once again seeing the link between Star Trek and the Royal Navy of the 18th/19th centuries (the Hornblower in space idea – indeed many of the Star Trek mission profiles are very similar to those of the RN at the time: exploration, diplomacy, policing, governance, and of course combat). I think it was great, also, to make a connection between the Scott family and ships called Enterprise (Sulus in Prime Universe, Scotts in the new one, maybe – yes, the 1787 ship predates the Kelvin incident, I know, so Mr Scott would have still been aboard).

I also enjoyed seeing starships built in the UK. Good to see our shipyards are still going in the 23rd Century, and that not all vessels are built in San Fran or Iowa. Still dying to see a Liverpool registry. And was it just me, or did that ship young Scotty sneaked onto look like a Constitution refit? Check out the nacelles, and the torpedo launcher. I wonder what ship that was…

106. Keachick - March 31, 2013

No, not incredulous, pleasantly surprised. After all, I am seen as the family’s Viking throwback. However, red hair is not a colouring I associate with Scandinavians, but rather Gaelic/Celtic ancestry. Admittedly, it was a while now since I visited Scandinavia, but I recall seeing many natural blond Swedes, Danes and Norwegians – as in yellowy white blond hair (which was my hair colour, with light brown roots, until about 25), but not so much of the red head.

107. JRT! - March 31, 2013

Plenty of redheads over here,lol! I know quite a few,but it’s not a regular Scandinavian thing though. The little redhaired kids I have at work are kinda cute with that color though,lol! And this 17 year old boy I used to babysit is really cute with it too. He reminded me of Opie when he was younger,lol!

J-R!

108. Keachick - March 31, 2013

In NZ, it is 1 April, 9.08am – I wonder if the Supreme Court have anything planned for April Fools’ Day. Half of me hopes so, the other half does not…:)

The half that hopes so does because these people are supposed to be creative and inventive. I (we?) live through them so as not to become overly concerned about one’s own limited creativity…:)

109. JRT! - March 31, 2013

Speak for yourself,lol! My imagination and creativity knows no boundaries,I just don’t get paid obscene amounts of money for it. I get credit for it whenever I’m on tv or in newspapers though,so that’s ok,lol!

Now if only they could finance my traveling…… LOL!

J-R!

110. JRT! - March 31, 2013

And because it’s almost April 1st here as well,I ain’t believing ANYTHING I read,hear,see or what people tell me and insist is true! They sure picked a stupid day to tell me,LOL! So for the next 26 hours,nothing is true. LOL!

John-Robin!

111. Marja - March 31, 2013

Well, happy day, folks, and enjoy tomorrow with all its crazy “news” stories ….

Hey, I wanted to share this – I finally saw a Star Trek Into Darkness poster. I go to the AMC 20 movies once a week, and have looked for the poster every week. Not until today did I see one. ONE.

One little poster, hanging in an alcove.

Compared with the 6-foot-tall “Iron Man” standup lobby card, with life-sized pics of Guy Pearce, Robert Downey Jr. and Don Cheadle? If you squint really hard, you can see the STID poster. And it’s that super-boring Delta Shield cutout with Harrison, back to the viewers, looking out over his “handiwork” of destruction. Very little color in that poster. Little to call attention to it, in fact, except the Delta Shield shape, known well only to Trekfans.

I seem to remember seeing the fold-out lobby card for Star Trek 2009 several MONTHS in advance. It gave me plenty of time to get enthusiastic about the movie.

Is Paramount trying to bury Star Trek? Don’t they want this movie to make money? I honestly thought they’d start rolling out SIGNIFICANT publicity in Feb/March. Lobby cards, lots of previews, but no-o-o-o-o-o-o-o!

Hope they haven’t killed it ….

I was hoping to see a third movie.

112. Keachick - March 31, 2013

Now, Marja, I hope this is an April Fools’ Day joke? Yes? No?

I guess I’ll have to wait till 2 April to find out…

113. JRT! - March 31, 2013

Hmmmm….sounds plausible,and I’ve said before that the marketing sucks this time. So,two minutes before April 1st here,I might actually believe this,lol! But nothing more till Tuesday.

J-R!

114. Ahmed - March 31, 2013

Lindelof tweeted that there are going to be some Star Trek stuff during the Walking Dead finale tonight.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DamonLindelof/status/318432157481725952

115. JRT! - March 31, 2013

Don’t believe it. Maybe on Tuesday,lol!

116. Dee - lvs moon surface - March 31, 2013

Bad Robot twitter:

Bad Robot ‏@bad_robot #TheWalkingDead #StarTrekIntoDarkness

117. JRT! - March 31, 2013

I’ll believe it when I see it…..or on Tuesday,lol!

J-R!

118. Marja sad : ( - April 1, 2013

Hey, all – note the date I posted … it’s all true.

Unfortunately

119. Jovius the Romulan - April 1, 2013

FrancoMiranda: You seem to have forgotten that Scott did all sorts of “stereotypically Scottish” things… wear a kilt and its accoutrements with his dress uniform, was fond of Scotch whisky and drinking in general, played bagpipes at Spock’s funeral services. Why the sudden outrage?

Should we not be proud of our heritage? I, for one, wouldn’t be terribly embarrassed at a Canadian character who *gasp* liked hockey, said “eh?” occasionally, and spoke with an accent. It would, in fact, be welcome.

Or just a French character… one who actually spoke with an accent and lived there most of their life instead of being Anglicized/Americanized like Picard and DeSalle were. Don’t get me wrong, I like Picard and Patrick Stewart. But were they actually all that afraid that someone who was /really/ French wouldn’t be taken seriously? I seem to recall that Jean Reno has a French accent and wouldn’t be taken as someone who surrendered at the first sign of trouble.

Oh wait… the pilot episode. -_-

“It’s a faaake!”
-Senator Vreenak, of Canadian-Romulan heritage

120. Trekkiegal63 - April 1, 2013

Excellent, the Scotty edition. Been anticipating this one. Will have to download this today.

121. Trekkiegal63 - April 1, 2013

#45 Curious Cadet:

…perhaps without the Uhura/Spock romance, the three boys would have gotten to know each other better and you would have gotten a few more of those classic lines.

While I’d love nothing more than to see more of Uhura professionally while kicking butt and taking names, I do understand what you’re saying here.

It’s not often we say male friendships cultivated as well as the Kirk/Spock/McCoy dynamic. In fact, I do believe that Scott Bakula mentioned in Shatner’s “The Captains” that he, himself, was a fan of TOS and the thing he enjoyed about it the most was the portrayal of the male relationships. In modern times a lot of ‘friendship’ portrayals between men is reduced to shoulder pats and sarcastic repartee without delving into the philosophical that we saw with Kirk/Spock/McCoy.

That the Kirk and Spock friendship was cultivated, in part, at the suggestion of Isaac Asimov, the godfather of science fiction (and one of the Big Three), adds even more enrichment into the history of these fraternal relationships that I would hate to see overshadowed.

One of the few redeeming qualities of ST5 was the camping scenes. Those scenes also served to exhibit the logos, pathos, ethos dynamic of the three beautifully. It is doubtful, with one of them involved in a relationship, that we’ll get to see the three of them sharing a shore leave like that again. So yes, I see what you’re saying. There will be less chance for interaction of that magnitude.

In addition, I don’t feel putting Uhura in a relationship was the right way of going about getting her more screen time, as in Hollywood every female protagonist, with the exception of very few, are always placed into a romantic relationship, sending the subliminal message that female characters cannot be interesting and dynamic without them (and also sending the message that single women don’t exist). I would have much rather seen more of her intelligence and skill in her field, see more of that Academy training come into the fray, then see the good bulk of her screen time taken up with a romantic interest.

I maintain that there is still room for Uhura to shine as a character and be given more screen time AND still have room for the logos, pathos, ethos dynamic of Kirk/Spock/McCoy. I don’t feel that either are mutually exclusive. However, I do agree, entirely, that the Spock/Uhura romance was not the best way to go about achieving this. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out in the new film.

122. Trekkiegal63 - April 1, 2013

#48 Jack:

And dare to criticize Trek or some of Roddenberry’s more enterprenierial-motivitated ideaa and you’re accused of insulting everyone who’s ever watched the show, and that guy who invented the cellphone.

This again, huh? Wow do you hold a grudge. The reason you were called out that one time wasn’t because anyone was implying that Trek was made for a certain demographic, or that Trek made anyone smarter, but because you stated that Star Trek didn’t have that big of an influence on the genre of science fiction, which simply is not true as it did, actually, play a huge part in bringing certain science fiction themes to the small (and large) screen that hadn’t been seen on film before. I believe I even gave specific examples. You’re confusing the issue.

Did Trek add IQ points to those of us who watched it? No. As Phil stated, what a ridiculous concept. But did it serve to inspire already intelligent , innovative viewers like Martin Cooper? Yes. He has said as much, over and over.

123. Keachick - April 1, 2013

The problem is not that everybody has to have a significant other in their lives. It has been the opposite situation in most of Star Trek. Nobody had anybody else in the TOS series, other than what we saw as fraternal relationship existing between the big three.

The Spock/Uhura relationship brings in a difference, a contrast, to what has been before. Star Trek gave us plenty of competent single men and women, but not a situation where two competent Starfleet officers were also involved in maintaining a relationship on a more intimate level while still doing their often challenging and time-consuming work, that can take them in different directions at times. I think we see a glimpse of this in STID trailers, where it appears that Spock is no longer assigned to the same ship as Uhura is…

Movies are a way of giving the audience a snapshot into the lives of (fictional) characters, both personal and professional, that in the ordinary real world, could not be shown, because of violation of privacy and other legitimate concerns. Here, in this fictional reality, we can see a couple engage in intimacy and/or we can see these characters do what most of us know and see people do in our everyday lives, more or less…

I do not have a problem with this. It can give a more rounded appreciation of the characters we see – that they are more than just lovers, or just Starfleet officers, or just villains, or just whatever… Obviously there are story and limitations on how much can be told and shown, however, showing two of the main characters having not only a professional life, but also a personal life, which can involve each other, is not such a bad thing – anything but.

124. Keachick - April 1, 2013

meant to write: “…story and TIME limitations on…”

125. Phil - April 1, 2013

@124. Actually, the way you had it first was correct. Not everyone shares your facination with watching fictional characters bump the uglies…

126. Trekkiegal63 - April 1, 2013

#123 Keachick:

The flaw in that argument is that the role of women as wife/girlfriend is pretty much ALL we see (with very few exceptions, i.e. Black Widow, Ellen Ripley and Pixar’s Brave). And I would argue that the later Trek’s fell into that trap as well. Riker/Troi. Jadzia/Worf. Paris/Torris. Seven of Nine/Chakotay, etc. (with notable exception Janeway, progressive in more way than one – although she did start out the series in a relationship).

It’s not that the romance itself is the problem, it’s that near every single female protagonist has to be a romance in this day and age with no other alternative explored. The implication there is gross. And it’s a three-fold gross. A) that female protagonists have to be paired to be interesting to the audience B) that single women don’t appear to exist and C) that women will only go to a science/action fiction film if a little romance is included.

Don’t believe me? According to http://www.razzies.com there were 727 movies released in 2012. Of those, can you name ten that meet the following criteria:

1) They have a female lead protagonist (this leaves out films like The Hobbit)

2) Who were not romantically paired at any time during the film.

… and I’ve already given you two, i.e. Brave and Avengers. Can you give me even 8 more?

127. Keachick - April 1, 2013

Not in TOS though. Frankly, I couldn’t give a stuff about the other iterations or movies. Anyway, so what if these characters were in relationships? That’s my point. If Troi is no longer single because she is with Riker, that means that Riker is no longer single either and so on… The implication is gross that we can’t see any of the main male characters within the TOS series of films involved in any kind of (romantic) relationship with someone (male or female), only relationships that are clearly platonic in nature. It is as though sex and sexuality do not exist for these men and that it shouldn’t. Now that is GROSS.

128. Keachick - April 1, 2013

Who said anything about fictional characters “bumping uglies”? Now you are being rude and facetious.

129. Trekkiegal63 - April 1, 2013

#127 Keachick:

Except that the men out number the women, so for every one Riker, there are a Picard, LaForge, Data, etc. (I would say Worf, but he was later paired up in another series and even paired up at one point in TNG with Troi).

Point here, plenty of single men are shown. And almost zero single women. It is that discrepancy which is gross. Hollywood is perfectly fine showing single men, but (almost) never women.There is an unequal and obvious gender balance at play here.

Also, you still haven’t answered my challenge, can you name eight movies (excluding Brave and the Avengers, which I’ve already given you) out of 725 (took out the latter mentioned two from the 727 total movie count of 2012) movies the past year that had single, female lead protagonists in it?

130. Trekkiegal63 - April 1, 2013

*gender imbalance, I meant to say

131. Trekkiegal63 - April 1, 2013

#125 Phil:

Not everyone shares your facination with watching fictional characters bump the uglies…

This is the truth.

132. Phil - April 1, 2013

@128. Actually, you have. Repeatedly. You created a fictional world of your own where your captain could function as you see him, and get highly agitated when several people called you on the Mary Sueness of it all. I could point out numerous other references, that you would deny.

About now is when you start to feign offence. Feel free to begin.

133. Red Dead Ryan - April 1, 2013

Trekkiegal63, Phil:

You are going to have a hard time getting through to Keachick. She clearly has her own ideas (delusions?) of grandeur that don’t mesh well with “Star Trek”, and she has ignored the facts that you have provided. I say she needs to do some research on this before criticising those who disagree with her.

134. Keachick - April 1, 2013

What delusions of grandeur? I did not write the Spock/Uhura story for the first Star Trek movie nor have I written this story for STID or anything for the Countdown into Darkness comic series, all referring to an ongoing Spock/Uhura relationship.

I am only supporting the current storyline as written by the Trek writers and saying that if they want to show a romance develop between Kirk and Carol Marcus, or other, then that is OK as well.

I am happy to include, whereas you others wish to exclude and that is what I don’t like. I really do not care whether you see your reasons for wanting such exclusion as being valid or not. Wanting to exclude from the Star Trek franchise what may be perfectly loving and valid relationships is, to me, invalid and non sequitur.

Perhaps the person to enquire as to “delusions of grandeur” should be Bob Orci himself. Bob Orci – Your opinions on this issue, which has turned into a rather long discussion/debate, would be good to have at this time.

135. Phil - April 1, 2013

@134. Arguement by distraction, Mary Sue. The general theme of this thread has been Scotty’s backstory, and if Uhura is supplanting McCoy in the big three. You are the one who keeps coming back to what you feel Trek needs, and most everyone disagrees. Fan fiction seems to be the perfect forum for you, you can write about whatever your little heart desires there, Here, comments tend to be made based on the content the studio presents, what is liked and disliked. Suggestions are made, and their merits debated. That isn’t going to change what the studio presents, and that distinction seems to be lost on you.

136. mikejohnson - April 2, 2013

Has anyone seen my kilt?

137. Phil - April 2, 2013

@136. Check the dry cleaners?

138. Keachick - April 2, 2013

Everyone is saying what they think Trek needs, including you, especially you, Phil. The Spock/Uhura relationship was something written into canon by the current Trek writers and some seem to think that it does not belong and interferes with the prime TOS triumvirate. I simply say that the S/U does not necessarily interfere with anything. I am talking about what the studio presents or may present. Chris Pine did allude to a sort of beginnings of Kirk/Marcus relationship, but with so much else going on, well, the couple don’t get much chance to explore that side of their natures…

Other people like trekkiegal start going on about the so-called negative consequences of showing (single) women having relationships etc etc, which has little to do with the relevancy of the S/U relationship in this alternate Star Trek universe and nothing to do with how the Kirk/Spock/McCoy relationship unfolds in this iteration.

Frankly, I do not know how you get a Mary Sue notion here. Are you calling Lt Uhura or Carol Marcus a couple of Mary Sues because they may become involved with Spock and Kirk respectively?

You are being insulting and stupid.

139. Red Dead Ryan - April 2, 2013

#136.

“Has anyone seen my kilt?”

I saw Fat Bastard wearing it at the dry cleaners.

#138.

Let it go….

140. Trekkiegal63 - April 2, 2013

#138 Keachick:

I know you’re a smart, woman, Keachick, so what the… *shakes head*

Other people like trekkiegal start going on about the so-called negative consequences of showing (single) women having relationships etc etc, which has little to do with the relevancy of the S/U relationship in this alternate Star Trek universe.

Gee, now what would the Spock/Uhura romance have to do with my stance that no female, lead protagonist is ever portrayed on her own, as anything other than wife/girlfriend/love interest? That apparently Hollywood feels that women cannot be interesting as characters unless they are paired in a romantic liaison (and apparently no women might choose to remain single nor revel in that state without secretly pulling the petals off of nearby daisies to the rousing rhythm of ‘he loves me, he loves me not’ when no one is looking, and no women will be interested in rugged manly man things like science fiction unless a little Harlequin is thrown in to appeal to our fragile, emotional, overly sappy, chocolate-eating, lower lip-pouting, shoe-obsessed minds <- sarcasm)?

I mean, could the connection possibly be that Uhura is one (of countless many) female lead protagonists paired in a romantic liaison which fits this rampart generalization that I find so detrimental to women, young and old alike? After all, plenty of men are portrayed as unattached, and no one thinks they’re ‘unbankable’ for it… how totally far-fetched of me to question why that is! What’s a little repression between genders? I mean it’s not like women have been relegated to these roles, with no variation, for going on, oh, centuries or anything.

Oh wait… well, crap. They have.

… what you tried to do there, Keachick, i.e. deliberately misinterpreting and miscomprehended my stance? Totally beneath you.

BTW: still waiting on those 8 movie titles. Perhaps, just maybe, the reason you haven’t answered is because they don’t exist?

141. Keachick - April 2, 2013

Look, these are two separate issues. One is about how (female) characters are presented in any Star Trek movie and the other is what the rest of the movie world does in this respect. The only one I am interested in is what happens in this Star Trek iteration and what the writers/producers have already chosen to include as part of canon.

The reality is that none of us have actually seen STID, so little is known about how the main females are shown. However, on first impressions, both Uhura and Carol Marcus seem to be intelligent, capable team members, albeit that one was seen screaming on one occasion or in her underwear at one point or the other being seen tearful and comforted by Scotty. Clearly though, Uhura is not above getting her hands dirty, getting wet and using weapons. That is what I get from the little i have seen from the trailers. If you get something less positive, what can I say? I suspect that the movie will be fine, quite likely more to your taste than mine, but that’s OK too, I suppose…

As I said, how many female characters there are and how they are treated is not up to me. For Star Trek – seek out the Supreme Court. I have already asked but have received no comment from Bob Orci or any other. Sad to say, I am not exactly surprised.

Please don’t talk Harlequin romance novels or any other novels of the genre because I have not read a single one nor do I watch soap operas, 90210 or whatever. The very few times I have watched these shows, I am bored and irritated because all the *slim, beautiful people seem to do is argue, become jealous and envious of others, break up, cheat on their partners blah, blah, blah. That’s all it ever seems to be about – none are seen actually working, even though they might be some hospital registrar, head nurse etc (I am thinking of the NZ soap opera Shortland Street here).

At least, if there is some romance in a science-fiction show like Star Trek, it is a backdrop, a sub-plot, to the main thrust of the movie, which is about Starfleet people doing work in space like a bit of exploration, defending territory and people, discussing diplomacy, different cultures and languages, engineering, astrophysics, medical… Jim and Carol are first known for their professional capabilities, perhaps some family background is presented etc, individually. The same applies to Spock and Uhura. The same could apply to other characters in relationships if written properly, however their (romantic) relationships tend not to be the main focus of any Star Trek movie.

I don’t really care if any movie exists or not that don’t have a female involved in some kind of romantic relationship. However, there are numerous television series which have and/or do show such professional, single women – Boston Legal, NCIS, NCIS-LA, CSI series iterations, Bones, Criminal Minds, SVU, Law & Order, Fringe…I can’t think of any others, but I think there are probably more.

142. Trekkiegal63 - April 2, 2013

#141 Keachick:

Look, these are two separate issues. One is about how (female) characters are presented in any Star Trek movie and the other is what the rest of the movie world does in this respect.

Um, the last I checked Star Trek 2009 and Star Trek Into Darkness are also movies. In fact, we have it on good authority per JJ Abrams during in the MTV interview and Bryan Burk at recent press junkets that Into Darkness is meant to appeal to a wider audience beyond that of we Trekkies or science fiction obsessees. They want a blockbuster. This is understandable. As such they have a responsibility, as do any filmmakers, to consider the sexism evident in their industry and contemplate ways of, oh, I don’t know… not feeding into it.

Now sexism exists in many forms. It’s not all as obvious as “woman, make me a sandwich”. The nuances of this particular iteration are subtle. One doesn’t contemplate that hardly any women are portrayed as single until they realize, looking back at the wide library of films available, that this pattern exists. Or maybe they notice when Brenda Chapman, formally of Pixar studios, goes out of her way to point out that her brain child, Merida of “Brave” was the first Disney princess not interested in finding a prince or true love when interviewed. Or when, in write-ups of “The Avengers”, on such sites as IGN, Black Widow is referenced with such descriptors as… “She’s not in the cast simply to be a romantic foil or eye candy.”

Or maybe they noticed when Joss Whedon makes quips like “Because you’re still asking me that question” when someone asks him why he goes out of his way to write strong, independent women.

Either way, it’s happening. Hardly any women, other than a very, very small, teeny, tiny percentage are portrayed as unattached or unpursued. Yet, with our male counterparts, this is not the case at all.

You may not care, and it is certainly your right to pick and choose your battles. But as a woman, and a feminist and the mother of a teenage daughter on the cusp of journeying to the next great adventure known as college, I certainly do.

143. Jovius the Romulan - April 2, 2013

Sidestepping some of the nastiness in this thread…

141. Keachick:

“As I said, how many female characters there are and how they are treated is not up to me.”

“I don’t really care if any movie exists or not that don’t have a female involved in some kind of romantic relationship.”

I think that’s a rather unfortunate attitude and that you’re missing the point… there’s a disproportionately high number of men shown to be single and worth a damn despite that status compared to women.

144. Trekkiegal63 - April 2, 2013

#143 Jovius the Romulan:

Well said.

145. Jovius the Romulan - April 2, 2013

Sorry just… even speaking as someone possessing a Y chromosome, I find it unfortunate and distressing when MODERN women are complacent with the status quo and even like things like Twilight (which makes Uhura’s role as love interest for Spock pretty minor a sin in comparison). The latter of which teaches teenage girls a multitude of stupid things.

Yet somehow, some people are touting Bella as a role model? Jesus. The Hunger Games may have been guilty of the clichéd love triangle, but at least its protagonist wasn’t utterly useless.

“It’s a faaake!”

146. Trekkiegal63 - April 2, 2013

#145 Jovius the Romulan:

Couldn’t agree harder if I tried. I actually read the first Twilight book a few years back, mostly to see what my daughter and her friends were gushing about. I like to be involved in what’s going on in her life. Not enough pepto bismal or tums in the world could get me to read the rest of that series, let me tell you. I would take the Spock/Uhura romance over that any day. At least Uhura went to college, is professionally trained, career oriented, etc. and not married and pregnant at 18 and completely dependent on her significant other for all decision making and financial support *shudder*.

It’s a mother’s nightmare!

147. Jovius the Romulan - April 2, 2013

I wish my cousins had a mother like you. She wanted to keep them sheltered from the real world until they (reluctantly) left home for college, which led to all sorts of problems… one being that my female cousin was constantly trying to find her “Edward” and being disappointed that real life didn’t work like that. I rarely find that seeking romance with all your spare time works out. Once you get yourself out of that mindset (this goes for both men and women by the way), it’s for the better. Maybe you’ll meet someone. Who knows. But life shouldn’t /revolve/ around seeking romance. Sometimes that will give you more grief and disappointment than all the problems it is /supposed/ to fix!

That bloody series though. It’s a dime novel romance sold at full price and nothing in it is original whatsoever, possibly excepting the diamond-faceted skin (a neat idea I’ll admit, but I don’t see how it would work). I bet a lot of the dime novel romances actually sold as such are more readable! How this series ever got published in hardback and made the New York Times bestseller list, I’ll never know.

This pointy eared hobgoblin needs to stop being so upset over human mating rituals. It’s a faaake!

148. Keachick - April 2, 2013

As I said, I don’t read romance novels or watch Twilight type movies. They bore me.

What you seem to forget – when it comes to many teenagers, they are hormonally driven and the desire to seek a mate is hardwired into most people. That desire/instinct is a powerful one when the female in particular comes into puberty. In the past, the notion of a young female marrying at 16/18 and being pregnant within a year posed no real problem. What’s more, the various parties were better prepared for the change that having a child would bring.

Now, economics (for the most part) have made that more difficult and undesirable. Education and work, where earning an income is virtually the only form of work recognized as legitimate, has become the priority. I am not saying that this is a bad thing, because many people, especially women, have greatly benefited in more ways than mere financial ones.

However, teen males and females will be what they are and for many romance features very high in their list of priorities, because that is how nature made us.

I think that Star Trek can bring a different perspective to how young women could/should be perceived by both men and women. What it does show are competent individual men and women, some of whom may also be engaged in adult romantic (sexual) relationships, without allowing those relationships to necessarily compromise their professional lives, irrespective of whether a particular couple (eg Spock/Uhura) work together or not.

I am only too aware of the numbers of male to female ratio discrepancy that exists in Star Trek. Maybe a *legitimate* explanation might be given by the writers. Unfortunately, the writers are male so may have difficulty seeing things from a female perspective sometimes. However, presenting competent males and females engaged in various types of relationships should not be viewed as bad. Lt Uhura and Carol Marcus, I suspect, will be both shown to be intelligent, competent, independent women who don’t have to have a man around, but may prefer it, if he is a good one.

* Something happens to humans where males end up outnumbering females by a large margin – already happening in many countries – now the only countries to have slightly more females than males are the English speaking countries, parts of western Europe, parts of Scandinavia and Russia…

I don’t think that people like me are necessarily complacent but just perhaps see what is happening from a different perspective.

149. Jovius the Romulan - April 2, 2013

Points taken, though I must make it clear I was not implying /you specifically/ to be a hardcore reader of schlock like Twilight. (That’s Phil’s job, it seems…?)

150. Disinvited - April 2, 2013

#28. JRT! – March 29, 2013

Well, if current MRI research is to be believed, there is probably a legitimate argument that active viewers of quiz shows, i.e. those who try to figure out the answers before the host announces it, gain an IQ point or two.

Prior to that, I probably would have limited my speculation to viewers of THE TWILIGHT ZONE.

151. Phil - April 2, 2013

@138. Actually, I think I’m fairly transparent here. I’ve had a couple of places in Trek 09 (and at least one in Trek 13) where it’s been a chore to suspend disbelief, other then that I’ve been fairly supportive of Bad Robots efforts. Those rough spots are not the things you have listed, by the way, so I have no idea how you came to the conclusion I’m opposed to the direction the writers took with Spock and Uhura.

The issue with relationships isn’t that they exist, but how they are portrayed. Given what has been written in the last few posts about Twilight and Hunger Games I don’t think I could expand on that. Strong, solid relations should be able to exist on screen that don’t require the female to strip….this is where you get push back, because hardly a chance goes by where you feel the need to argue that Trek improves when it becomes an exploration of romance, and not space. You argue at lenght about the need for this, and for it to be fairly explicit. The existance of women in Trek does not make them Mary Sues, and no one has really argued that they do….except for you, as a distraction, when someone calls you on your comments about relationships and the reproductive activities that accompany them. That is wish fullfillment on your part, the very defination of Mary Sue. Objectification, on the other hand, is when Carol Marcus appears in her skivvies for no other reason then to give Kirk something to gawk at. Or when Uhura seems to be on the bridge for reasons other then professonal skills.

I’m done. This is really pointless now, as you seem hell bent on defending your little fantasy here. Who knows, maybe you will get lucky and the upcoming installment will be so romance and lovin filled that Barbarella would be proud…

152. Trekkiegal63 - April 2, 2013

#147 Jovius the Romulan:

Thank you. I try my best. I’m pretty fortunate in that I have a good kid with a good head on her shoulders though, so I lucked out in that regard. And she and I have a pretty open relationship, she’s not afraid to come to me to talk these issues out.

And yes, I know exactly what you’re talking about. I call it the ‘in love with love” phenomenon. Unfortunately they start them early on the brainwashing in that regard, with the Disney princesses on up. I never deprived my daughter of those things as I didn’t want her to be separated from her peers in that regard but I did give a disclaimer with every Christmas or birthday gift (i.e. okay, you can have that DVD of the Little Mermaid, but you do know that changing your body for the sheer purpose of attracting someone is not cool, right? And neither is hoarding. And getting married at sixteen is especially not good).

I did make a stand on Barbie though. No way. No how. ;)

Yeah, I don’t know why those books are popular either. I don’t find the concept of someone sneaking into my room to watch me sleep romantic. In fact, just the opposite, I find the concept extraordinarily creepy. Its a bit frightening that so many young girls found those books enjoyable. :(

153. Trekkiegal63 - April 2, 2013

#149 Jovius the Romulan:

Actually, Phil’s a great guy. He’s been excellent for standing up against sexual objectification. It’s been rather unfortunate that Phil, Red Dead Ryan, Curious Cadet and myself have had to point out why objectification is not okay to a number of people on this board when it is something that should be rather obvious. :(

154. Red Dead Ryan - April 2, 2013

Once again, Keachick has proven to be misguided and misinformed. She lacks the credibility to dispute the facts presented here.

Anything she says can’t be taken with anything other than a very big grain of salt.

155. Trekkiegal63 - April 2, 2013

#148 Keachick:

Human beings no longer have a lifespan of 40 like we did back in the days of smallpox and the bubonic plague, Keachick (when it was common for girls to be married at 16) thus waiting longer to marry or have children, *if* that is the path one chooses, is undoubtedly the better way to go, especially financially and psychologically.

Also, while it is true that we all possess instincts, we also possess willpower, you’re familiar with Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, yes? It’s a lovely system of checks and balances that keeps us, for the most part, with the occasional slip up here and there, from doing things that could adversely effect the rest of our lives. Am I saying I’m naive and believe my daughter untouched by sexuality? No. Of course not. Fifteen is fifteen, I have no doubt that were I telepathic the things on her mind sometimes would probably make me blush. But I am saying that she knows what she wants (to be a doctor – she’s wanted this since she was nine), and she knows what she has to do to get it (study hard), and she’s pretty motivated not to let anything prevent that from happening for her.

Or, as Kirk once put it (albeit addressing a much different instinct of man):

“[War] is instinctive. But the instinct can be fought. We’re human beings with the blood of a million savage years on our hands! But we can stop it. We can admit that we’re killers…but we’re not going to kill…today. That’s all it takes! Knowing that we’re not going to kill…today!”

Also, and for the 100th time, I’m not saying relationships are bad. However, they shouldn’t be the only media depicted option available for young girls to view. Despite the fact that sexism still exists in various forms, we live in a wonderful time when women have choices. Lots of choices. Certainly more choices than were available to us even just fifty years ago. We don’t need to marry to be provided for, we can provide for ourselves. Our social status is no longer contingent on us baking pies in gingham dresses for Wally and the Beaver to eat as a snack when they get home from school or winning the chili cook-off.

There are plenty examples of relationships depicted (so many that this is ALL we see). Some of them even depicted well. What needs to happen and what I wish Star Trek would do? This new and novel concept? Let’s see some of the other options for once. Women now have these choices, well, can we see them, please? You know, kind of like how they do that with male characters? Variety being the spice of life and all that.

Furthermore, by only showing women in relationships they’re inadvertently spreading this idea that women can only be content when involved in a relationship. Dangerous implication because it is repressive.

So while I agree with you on your assessment of tween entertainment like Twilight, I do not think Star Trek needs relationships, or that Uhura or Marcus need to be in one. Plenty of things showcase relationships. Everything showcases relationships. It would be nice if Star Trek was more progressive in this regard.

156. Keachick - April 2, 2013

Yes, I know all this. You want to exclude. I don’t. Not necessary, not right and certainly not progressive.

157. Phil - April 3, 2013

@155. We need to walk away from this. When someone is at the point where they are defending repression as normal and healthy, it’s no longer a conversation. If she wants to be Bella, let her.

158. Trekkiegal63 - April 3, 2013

#157 Phil:

You make a good point. Agreed, definitely backing away. It is what it is.

159. Jovius the Romulan - April 3, 2013

152,153. Trekkiegal63: Thanks for your response. I mean nothing personal against Phil, which I’ll address now…

157. Phil: A number of times now you’ve stereotyped Keachick into being someone who likes those kinds of schlocky romances. She’s said a number of times in response that she isn’t. I think, at this point, you should just take her at her word and debate her arguments alone rather than introducing this “you’re just one of those women who like Twilight” strawman at every turn.

Don’t get me wrong. I like you. You and Trekkiegal63 are two of the most informed and intelligent people here. But as someone who is quite capable of debating sexism in a straightforward way, I think using those sort of insults does yourself a disservice.

Take, for example, someone who debated me on gun control. Well, not debate. They pretty much turned it into a screaming match when I opposed certain anti-gun legislation and would not hear me out as to the (in my personal opinion) logical reasons why based on statistics and past experience. They then stereotyped me into being some gun-toting redneck who thinks it’s the wild west all over again. I’m far from that stereotype, given I don’t own any weapons (though I am considering getting one or two for target shooting) and left of centre in my general beliefs. I’m not saying you’re being that extreme, but it is hard for someone to debate their points when you won’t listen due to having this image in your head of what they are like. I know — I’ve been guilty of doing this in the past.

Live long and prosper.

Oh wait, I’m a Romulan.

Um… IT’S A FAAAKE???

160. Phil - April 3, 2013

@160. At a high level, yeah, it can go over the top at times, and all parties are guilty. It’s not so much stereotyping in her case – a couple of years ago she trotted out some fan fiction she did that was basically a schlocky Trek romance novel. So, she professes to be above that sort of thing, but embraces it with the Trek fiction she penned a couple of years ago, that was basically a schlocky romance novel. And then bashes others for their own little guilty pleasures. Seems just a touch conflicted to me.

I really don’t care if people indulge their own little Trek fantasys, but if you go public with it call it for what it is, and don’t wrap it in layers of justification or explaination…it’ll just cause problems….to that end, yeah, it’s time to move on. Beating a dead horse won’t get it moving any time soon. :-)

161. Keachick - April 4, 2013

Wow. Phil can write such bs at times.

162. Keachick - April 4, 2013

“a couple of years ago she trotted out some fan fiction she did that was basically a schlocky Trek romance novel.”

trekkiegal and others – just so you know -

Incorrect. What I wrote was part of a short story outline for Bob Orci’s attention. The story outline I wrote contained no romance whatsoever. However, when I posted the story outline, Red Dead Ryan, yelled and swore at me to “SHUT THE F*CK UP” and to “GET THE F*CK OFF THIS SITE!”

What I had previously mentioned was the notion that Kirk could meet (how, when, where, why – up to the writers) a young woman I named Jasmia, who came from an alien planet. They could form a bond, a sympathetic relationship, over time…once again, for Bob Orci’s attention.

Understand that, at the time, the STID story/script was in its infancy and, of course, nobody had any idea what the two writers, Bob Orci and Alex Kurtzman, were thinking in terms of plot, characters etc. Bob Orci was a fairly regular poster here then and he called us his “consultants”. Many of us took him at his word and began making suggestions re story lines and character development. I put my ideas forward as well. Maybe the writers have found a way to use many of the ideas presented by myself and others, maybe not.

I feel that I have had to deal with a lot of sexist and misogynistic attitudes from one or two of the posters here.

163. Phil - April 5, 2013

@162. You can call it what you like. It’s still fan fiction. If you can show that you were, indeed, a consultant, as you claim, by presenting proof of credit for either writing, screenplay, or story, I’ll happily apologize. Until then, it’s fan fiction, a Mary Sue treatment, and wish fulfillment on your part.

What Bob said about consultants, he was being polite, not literal. Surprised you didn’t pick up on that, considering how quick you were to voice legal opinion on CP’s agent lawsuit a while back.

Cheers….

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