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Chris Pine Talks Being ‘Scared’ To Take On Role Of Kirk + Jealous Of Cumberbatch’s Fans April 3, 2013

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Chris Pine is gracing the cover of another magazine – Esquire UK – due out tomorrow. Excerpts from his cover story interview are now online, where he talks about his initial resistance to taking on the role of Capt. Kirk. Pine also jokes about how Benedict Cumberbatch having more screaming fans in Japan More details below.


Pine talks taking on Kirk and Cumberbatch’s fans

Pine on taking on the role of Captain Kirk

“I wasn’t a fan of Star Trek. It didn’t excite me. All I wanted at that time was a part that I really connected to and when my agent said, ‘Star Trek’, I said, ‘No! Have you not been hearing anything I’ve said? Star Trek is the furthest thing from what I want to do.’ Star Trek scared me a lot. It terrified me, really. Because of the scale, the responsibility, the fact that it was this iconic character. It was the bigger challenge. So I had to take it.”

Pine on Benedict Cumberbatch’s fans:

“When I went to Japan for Star Trek, the fans were at the airport waiting. But they didn’t scream until Benedict [Cumberbatch] got off the plane. And I was like, f**k man: what about me?”

By the way, here is video of Cumberbatch and Pine arriving at Narita Airport in December (via fukieda221b)

Be sure to check out the full interview in Esquire’s Spring Style Special, also available in digital edition, on sale tomorrow!

Chris Pine on cover of UK Esquire

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Source: EW



1. Andrew - April 3, 2013

Well hopefully Ben’s fans in Japan flock to see the movie too.

2. Keachick - April 3, 2013

Oh Chris, honey. Pinenuts don’t scream. We purr…:)

3. Ahmed - April 3, 2013

Pine: “When I went to Japan for Star Trek, the fans were at the airport waiting. But they didn’t scream until Benedict [Cumberbatch] got off the plane. And I was like, f**k man: what about me?”

lol, he need to wait couple more years & make some really good movies before he begin to get that kind of reaction from the fans!

4. CPelc - April 3, 2013

Is it too much of a stretch to imagine Shatner saying something similar about not getting the anticipated amount of reaction from a crowd?

5. sean - April 3, 2013

And this is exactly why Cumberbatch was such a good get for this movie. He has an international appeal that many of our core company do not have yet (that’s not a knock against the cast, btw, it just so happens to be true at the moment).

6. Aix - April 3, 2013

Well, well. Somebody’s “Big in Japan”. Hahaha! Some people just have that something that draws people in, no?

But man, they get to see the film in August? Goodness! I would have gone crazy.

LOL @ Pine Nuts!!! I still think that Pine did great and I am looking forward to serious character development in the film.

7. Newdivide1701 - April 3, 2013

Whoops!!!! Well let’s hope Chris can suck it up a lot better than William Shatner when Spock seemed more popular than Kirk.

8. Aix - April 3, 2013

@5 I was thinking the other day what would happen if they got Benicio. I mean, he is an Oscar winner with a name you can put on the poster and I am sure he has fans that will get to see him. But there’s just this frenzy with Cumberbatch at the moment. He’s like the shiny new toy everyone wants a piece of. So yeah, they made a GREAT decision casting him instead of the other guys they were considering. And I am sure they got him cheap. Hahaha!

9. redrevan - April 3, 2013

Mr. Cumberbatch is not only big in Japan but also China and South Korea. He has conquered the East Asia. The man himself was very surprised about this. This must be the reason why the international trailers were Cumberbatch-centric. He’s their only chance to appeal to the international audience and make up for that poor international box office last time. But I don’t think that when Mr. Cumberbatch was hired for the role of the villain, the Trek team knew about this. This might be an accidental discovery for their part. Especially after their visit to Japan.

10. AyanEva - April 3, 2013

#5- I’ve read of so many people who are going to see this movie because Benedict is in it and they would have otherwise not shown up. I see them starting to ask questions about Star Trek in general and learning the basics and they’re super excited for the film.That makes ME excited! I bet quite a few of them will stick around in the fandom even after the movie is out of theaters. I think you’re right- Benedict Cumberbatch will really help the box office worldwide simply based on name recognition alone (there’s even Sherlock manga, btw). You can pretty much count on all of his fans to go see the film and probably more than once. That’s a lot of extra movie goers who are in turn bringing friends and family with them.

11. redrevan - April 3, 2013


Yeah, I’m fairly sure too that they got him cheap. But for Mr. Cumberbatch, it looks like a very huge amount according to an interview I read about him last year. LOL! I don’t think he cares about the pay check though. He just cares for the work. I’ve read from a very old interview(from 2005) somewhere that he wanted to play a mutated baddie and looks like he got what he wished for.

12. Keachick - April 3, 2013

#6 Same here with the character development of (Captain) James Kirk. I really think that Chris Pine may surprise even himself as to how good he just might be in this movie. I trust this is so.

Chris Pine, dear – being scared of being in Star Trek, of playing Captain Kirk? Kirk is a good guy and should still be. Am I not correct here, Bob Orci? It is a good opportunity for Chris Pine to become a person with quick intelligence and intuition, impulsiveness, occasionally promiscuous, and someone who is fundamentally good at the core of his being – ie be Jim Kirk!

13. redrevan - April 3, 2013


A lot of old trekkies though don’t appreciate that there are a lot of people going to watch this solely for Cumberbatch. They have began scolding them in various forums. Not like it’s going to stop those fangirls from watching but I just think it’s sad.

14. I'm Dead Jim! - April 3, 2013

I know how Pine feels. I’ve never gotten that reaction arriving at Narita airport either. :-)

15. AyanEva - April 3, 2013

#13- I know and I wish they’d quit with the scolding. :( I consider myself an old Trekkie and I don’t mind that they’re excited to see their favorite actor in the film. However, I’m also in Cumberbatch/Sherlock fandom so I’m probably more understanding than some.

Basically, I think everyone should be welcome to enjoy being a fan in his/her own way and I personally don’t care why people are going to see the movie as long as they show up and enjoy it with us! They might even become converts. I hate telling people, “No you can’t enjoy this for your own reasons,” simply because they’re not enjoying it for MY reasons. It’s not my place to judge that, IMO.

I mean, I only watched the BBC’s “The Hollow Crown” because I like Tom Hiddleston and he was in it. I actually hated Shakespeare prior to that. Well, I watched it and ended up really learning to appreciate Shakespeare and genuinely enjoyed the plays in their own right and not simply because I liked an actor performing the works. I would never have given Shakespeare another chance if I hadn’t initially checked out the plays solely because an actor I liked was in them.

I bet some of the folks coming out only to see Benedict will end up having a similar experience and I think that can only benefit the Star Trek franchise.

ugh sorry. that was a bit tl;dr wasn’t it?

16. Keachick - April 3, 2013

Sometimes there is a feeling that Chris Pine appears to pay little or no attention to the fans that he does have. Whether they are few or large in number, some acknowledgment from the actor/celebrity via media (like this site even) can help maintain an interested, healthy, even at times, a forgiving fanbase. However, it does seem that he is nice to the people (fans?) he meets in person – no photos though.

I suspect he wants to be taken seriously for the work he does and would like to do. I don’t know if he may feel that some fans just see him as some sexy pretty boy and not much more (a bit of sexual objectification). Perhaps there might be some truth to this, but it is likely not true of all.

While I may write “drooly, fangirl” type comments sometimes, that does not mean I cannot be an objective critique of his work. I have made suggestions in the past, here on this site, in fact. He has proven to be a good actor with lots of talent and potential and he can be very nice to look at as well. My husband commented that he seems to have a chameleon way about him, which is why he seems to fit so well everywhere, anywhere, with anyone…

17. scotchyscotchscotch - April 3, 2013

4 and 5

dead on! am I in the minority that feels proud when you hear newcomers like Pine talk about “responsibility” taking on this role? Maybe he’s just coached well to speak like that but props either way.

18. JohnRambo - April 3, 2013

“When I went to Japan for Star Trek, the fans were at the airport waiting. But they didn’t scream until Benedict [Cumberbatch] got off the plane. And I was like, f**k man: what about me?”


19. Adolescent Nightmare - April 3, 2013

Old trekkies are going to be jealous when new trekkies say Cumby was the better Khan.

20. Keachick - April 3, 2013

#18 – No, it is called being human. Obviously, everyone expected there to be more Pine fans and fewer Cumberbatch fans. The reverse turned out to be true. I guess Pine could not hide his surprise and disappointment. People want to be liked. It can be hard, initially, when you do not get the kind of positive attention that others have told you to expect. He just needs to acknowledge the fans he does have…

Hopefully, he does not develop some kind of silly grudge against fandom in general and/or Benedict Cumberbatch.

21. Dee - lvs moon surface - April 3, 2013

First, due the secret agenda of JJ Abrams nobody knew for sure about their visit to Tokyo to present the 9 minutes in IMAX, the significant sites specializing in Star Trek decided to ignore or deny the rumors on this subject.

So for all what was happening is that only Benedict Cumberbatch was going to Tokyo because of Sherlock!

There was such a “naritapaparazzi” he was saying, Chris Pine arrive in Tokyo only in January 2013 … that annoying pap!!!

So what was happening that day, fans were mostly only waiting for Benedict Cumberbatch…
… and a few knew about Chris Pine arriving in Tokyo that day, fortunately because his girlfriend at the time made ​​a comment on twitter, otherwise no fan of Chris Pine would be at Narita airport … some reports say there were at least a few fans waiting for him …

I just talked about this in another place!!!

;-) :-)

22. AyanEva - April 3, 2013

#21- Hey I just saw you on Tumblr! lol

23. Dee - lvs moon surface - April 4, 2013

#16. Keachick

Actors like Zachary Quinto, Simon Pegg and Zoe Saldana just to mention the Trek actors are able to maintain communication with his fans, mostly talking about their projects … while CP seems to be distant from the fans in this aspect … the perception is that he is far …

But being in social networks is a difficult thing for an artist, he must really be able to handle the whole thing … CP does not seem to be interested in this … then maybe who manages his career needs to find another means of bringing Chris to his fans and I’m talking about his career, projects and not about his personal life!

24. Dee - lvs moon surface - April 4, 2013


so Hi! ;-) :-)

25. redrevan - April 4, 2013

True. And Mr. Cumberbatch’s PR is very good at promoting him because he seems to be not on social networks either(this is according to his interview in MTV). Or this is just the works of his fans?

26. Shilliam Watner (Click Name for Trek Poster) - April 4, 2013

Chris actually seems to be channeling Shatner here. I could see how in writing it might come off as sour grapes, though I’m sure it was said with a smile. Shatner would have said it straight faced, and a bunch of people would have attacked him for it.

27. Dee - lvs moon surface - April 4, 2013

#25. redrevan

Well .. what can I say about it? Sometimes I think the publicists of CP have no idea … to say the least … lol

28. Jinnto - April 4, 2013

@25 Benedict’s popularity is much to do with his work and initiated by his fans, especially on the internet. He doesn’t do much press and he has no presence on any social network (no twitter/ facebook account); he has done many charity works but refused his publicists’ suggestions to make them known to the public; fans only got such info because occasionally the organizations or persons on the receiving-end posted photos on their sites or shared the experience with their friends on their blogs afterwards. To be honest, I think the UK press (and of course largely due to the rather voracious fan base) is obsessed with him, and his every word or move could easily makes headline for no good reasons; sometimes I wonder whether his PR might even want the heat to be tamed a bit.

29. Keachick - April 4, 2013

Chris Pine is not on Twitter or Facebook either. He has been seen on occasions at functions which were raising funds for a charity. He supports Toys for Tots and other children’s charities, as well as charities that raise funds for research into Alzheimers disease and a charity that researches conditions like Epilepsy. He has been at those as a spokesperson to help raise awareness etc.

The other thing that I have noted is that Chris Pine appears more likely to say what he really thinks outside of the USA, like the UK or Netherlands, whether he is doing video interview or one for a website/magazine. It is just an impression I have.

For example, there is a video interview he did in England with Reese Witherspoon re This Means War and somehow the topic came round to discussion of puberty…LOL

Before that, he confirmed in Sydney, how he did NOT like social networks like Twitter and Facebook and would NEVER join.

In NZ, he mentioned about how much cameramen love doing early morning/dusk shots, as in it was like a “wet dream” – totally unexpected. Kate Roger, the kiwi interviewer, gasped, as she valiantly stifled an outright laugh. I didn’t have to stifle anything…LOL

It was in a UK magazine that he mentioned owning/sharing a dog, which his ex-girlfriend took with her when they split up and how he balled his eyes out. Also, he mentioned buying a house.

On another website, a Dutch one, Chris talked about his three year old NEPHEW loving the Winnie the Pooh stories – In 2009, I read a link to an article where his Dad, Robert Pine, was interviewed and in it, Robert Pine mentioned that his daughter was expecting their first grandchild. It took me three years (that Dutch blog) to confirm that she had a boy.

I realize this is personal and of course, in these websites, he talked about his work as well, but I have wondered sometimes…Just hope Chris keeps that (wicked) sense of humour, acknowledges people in ways that we can understand and not allow the poisons of jealousy and envy get the better of him.

30. The Great Bird Lives - April 4, 2013


I agree that Chris Pine may have the concern that he is ‘not’ taken seriously, but I think this may stem from his own perception of the franchise. As cool as it appeared in the 60’s, it was still a bit geeky on the surface, and still appears that way today.
I perceive Star Trek as a cross between the best cop show- the best forensic drama, the best mystery, the best science, the most ultimate action in a futuristic premise. Not to mention the lesson in morality- an element that seems to have been forgotten in today’s live-action dramas- but you could always find it any of Star Trek’s incarnations. Once a viewer sit’s down long enough to watch the show a bit they would inevitably catch an episode that ‘clicks’ for them then it all starts to make sense, and they want more. Chris Pine was also a great choice because he wasn’t a fan, and he was able to approach the role without having Shatners mannerisms, and vocal inflections in his brain. I suspect that his performance will seem more kirk-like in this movie, especially if he’s had that moment everyone has when Star Trek has that impact on your soul. I’m anxious to see how he portrays Kirk’s colorful command style, and if it will sink in, and be well received by the fan base. I know J.J. is not making this movie for the fans but I do hope Pine’s/Kirk’s command performance will honor what Shatner created in 1966.

31. Keachick - April 4, 2013

#30 – You could be right there as well. Chris Pine was born in 1980, so he was not even old enough to watch and appreciate the Star Trek movies of the time, like the Wrath of Khan. He says he was into playing with Star Wars toys like most boys growing in the 80’s and saw the movies. Star Trek and its fandom were seen as geeky and he was just too young to know better.

Also I read that he has never been much of a science-fiction watcher/reader anyway, preferring literature and movies dramatizing historical events – I think I read that’s what he said once – anyway, NOT sci-fi.

Hollywood, his home town, has never taken Star Trek that seriously. I always feel it manages to survive in spite of Hollywood – Paramount…, not necessarily because of it. It is the weirdest of situations here. Star Trek has never really been taken seriously, unlike other movies and television series (even though they may not be as good, in terms of interesting stories, acting or production values). It has always been the Golden Goose which keeps laying golden eggs that Hollywood would rather not have, except…well, a solid and loyal numbers of people seem to want it. Therefore, those who are involved in it, like many of the actors, have either been ignored and/or typecast. Yet somehow, I was always convinced that such people like Kirk and Spock might just exist in the future, such was the great acting by the two original actors. Chris and Zachary aren’t doing so badly either…

There is no reason why these latest Trek actors should not be taken seriously, as much as other actors. Time will tell if they are. It is interesting that science-fiction movies and/or any of the actors rarely, if ever, get nominated for any Oscars, yet they often have the most difficult role of all – convincing an audience that what is now totally impossible and even ridiculous is actually a *reality*. Ships really do go at warp speed, people do get transported through great distances by sparkling at one end and thousands of kilometres away, sparkle back into existence in another place. Yet Shatner, Nimoy, Kelley, Doohan et al all made it look so natural and commonplace…and that is what Pine, Quinto, Urban, Pegg, Saldana et al will be doing as well, just to name one thing.

This has to be acting at its best and Chris Pine and others should be taken seriously as the really good actors that they are!

32. Aurore - April 4, 2013

@ Christopher Pine

“When I went to Japan for Star Trek, the fans were at the airport waiting. But they didn’t scream until Benedict [Cumberbatch] got off the plane. And I was like, f**k man: what about me?”

What about you?

F*ck, man : what about ME?!
I don’t live in Japan, but, I’m a fan of yours since the last Star Trek !


I was not familiar with your work before that.

However, when I found out that your last name was Pine, I wondered if, by any chance, you were not related to actor Robert Pine (a long time ago, I used to watch many American television shows). I had my answer to that question, some time later.

…..On the other hand, I had never heard of Mr. Cumberbatch before he was cast as the villain in the next Star Trek.

It is not that people did not know him in my country, it’s just that I don’t watch much television, nowadays…

33. Dennis Bailey - April 4, 2013

Trekkies tend to be literal-minded with poor senses of humor. Pine’s obviously joking.

34. Mad Mann - April 4, 2013

I’m glad Pine doesn’t do social media and leads a somewhat private life. It hads an air of mystery to him that he is not so open to the world.

Even though he is not a Star Trek fan, I think Pine has grown to have respect the icon status of the character he plays. He enjoys the people he works with and takes it well in stride. I like how he went to visit the scoring session which showed that he cared enough about the movie that he wanted to see the music performed. He also enjoys his castmates as they went out to Hooters together (for the wings!).

35. Punkspocker - April 4, 2013

We have a gorgeous, talented cast! Pine’s comments seem to be in good spirit and are reciprocated when Cumberbatch said int the first Empire about the two covers “he’s better looking” So, they have a broner for each other, cool. And I’m an “old” fan and I think it’s awesome to have newbies because of Cumberbatch. If you’ve watched Sherlock, you know the appeal! Hes incredibly charismatic and will most likely steal this movie. But I swear, if the fan girls start screaming at the premier, it’s going to get ugly.

36. Aurore - April 4, 2013

“Trekkies tend to be literal-minded with poor senses of humor. Pine’s obviously joking.”


Of course he was…

So was I (in case your nice post was directed at me.).

I know Mr. Pine admires Mr. Cumberbatch …..


….And, it seems to be reciprocal….

37. Aurore - April 4, 2013

…There are two things I wasn’t joking about, though.

Before Star Trek (2009), I wasn’t familiar with Mr. Pine’s work.

And, until 2012, I did not know who Mr. Cumberbatch was.


38. LogicalLeopard - April 4, 2013

37. Aurore – April 4, 2013
…There are two things I wasn’t joking about, though.

Before Star Trek (2009), I wasn’t familiar with Mr. Pine’s work.

And, until 2012, I did not know who Mr. Cumberbatch was.



Ditto here.

You know, I’m kind of hoping I’m not hyping myself up too much to see this movie based on the excellent “Sherlock” writing and not the writing from the Trek Brain Trust. And that’s not a knock against the Trek Brain Trust, I thought ST09 was excellent, and I actually showed it to a non-Trek interested friend because of the excellent themes in it. But Sherlock…now that’s a great show. I’m still wondering how the cliffhanger (well, maybe not “hanger”) ends.

39. Classy M - April 4, 2013

I’ve been a Star Trek fan since the original series first aired, and of Benedict Cumberbatch since Hawking (2004). For me, his appearance in ‘Into Darkness’ is a heaven-made match and I couldn’t be happier about it if I were a puppy with two tails.

My ideal would be for Benedict fans to fall in love with Star Trek and for trekkies to fall in love with Benedict. Initially I thought that might actually happen (yes, I am old enough to know better), and despite the occasional snottiness on both sides, there has been some genuine appreciation too. I’ve seen any number of tweets and comments from people who say, ‘I’m only going to see this film for Benedict… but I checked out the first film / original series and loved it.’ Likewise there have been trekkies who have checked out some of Benedict’s past catalogue and been impressed too. Some of those people post on this board.

We don’t all have to love each other – how sweet that would be! – but we can, at least, show each other respect.

Both fan bases can gain enormously by Benedict’s casting in this film… as long as we don’t embarrass ourselves.

Thus endeth the lesson.

40. Phil - April 4, 2013

So, Pine has a little Cumberbatch envy. The more this man talks the more I’m reminded of Michael Keaton in the Batman movies. Not that they were ever high art, but bigger names kept getting cast opposite of him because there was a sneaking suspiscion that Keaton was not quite capable of carrying the movie. I suspect that JJ knows Pine isn’t up to the job of being a headliner, hence the casting of Cumberbatch.

So, what name gets cast for the third installment that will carry the foreign market? Tom’s Cruise or Hanks, anyone?

41. Jovius the Romulan - April 4, 2013

Yep, pretty much mirrors the original series. Sorry, but nerd girls (and guys) tend to prefer the brainy types. It’s no secret why Spock is so popular. :)

42. msn1701 - April 4, 2013

Lol I’d scream for Chris. ;) BC just has a LOT of Sherlock fans in Japan. It is just HUGE over there apparently. Besides, I thought Chris didn’t like all the attention in 2009. This time the paparazzi might follow Benedict and leave Chris be. Really he should be THANKING Cumberbatch! Good joke, good joke.

43. MaggieChiara - April 4, 2013

#42 Papz have followed Benedict for quite a while and even his neighbors did a bit of live-tweeting when he’s in his own house, and all these are not from Trek and quit sad for someone who is really private and chooses not to involving in social networks. I think Pine was being wickedly humorous, surely he wouldn’t want papz to follow his co-stars either, but it’s some his fans immature remarks as you so precisely presented that shames him.

44. Dee - lvs moon surface - April 4, 2013

#29. Keachick
You know I love Chris, unfortunately I have noticed that the other actors are handling better their career, everything you said actually happened but had very little impact among fans.
What happened in Tokyo was a tremendous failure of his team … there was more embarrassing moments for him, there were reports about the contact with fans after leaving the 9 min presentation in IMAX in Tokyo … obviously he may have realized the weird vibe that was there!

#40. Phil

My fear is that this perception about CP spreads increasingly … so I think he and his team need react and do something to reverse this feeling!

45. p'trick - April 4, 2013

As the years pass us all by, I am eager to see the development of the character of the new J T Kirk combined with the increasing skills of Mr. Pine. As far as his personal-life and feelings go, I’m pleased to let his performances speak for him.

Not so excited by the bad-ass, reckless Kirk which has been advanced in the first JJ-feature. But I recognize that dramatic experiences (as seen in the upcoming TREKfilms) and maturity will shape the Captain over time.

In conclusion, I continue to marvel at JJ’s outstanding casting-instincts! One of the many benefits of having a top-line producer/director at the helm of the franchise is this man’s skill at expanding the audience for TREK by hiring terrific actors. And picking Cumberbatch was yet another stroke of genius. Since TREK’s international appeal has always been weak, the choice of such an esteemed actor, known around the globe, can only bring TREK the increased acclaim it deserves.

46. Phil - April 4, 2013

@44. Well, Jack Ryan needs to be a runaway hit. CP has been so-so at the box office so far, and Jack Ryan will either make him or break him as an A-lister….

47. p'trick - April 4, 2013

Oh, and I shared Message #31’s sentiments.

Especially his recap of TREK’s mistreatment by the film-industry (most specifically Paramount). Roddenberry’s historically detailed his frustrations dealing the uninspired studio-heads and the senseless censors. Rick Berman vented his frustrations during his interview on the new ENTERPRISE blu-ray release – publicly ridiculing the know-nothing exec’s who oversaw TREK’s final year on television.

That said, I think that this struggle is an integral part of TREK’s identity while ensuring it’s being the poor-orphan of Sci-Fi on the big-screen. Having included these challenges seem to have kept TREK’s creative-focus routed in stories about it’s characters. Huge audiences were never expected to ever “get” TREK, so it’s producers could focus on providing it’s loyal-viewers the enjoyment of unique performances by so many talented actors, without the requirement of simply including Hollywood-superstars to ensure box-office success (think about watching Eddie Murphy in Star Trek 4).

48. Red Dead Ryan - April 4, 2013

Not sure why people are making such a fuss about Chris Pine not being on Twitter or Facebook. I don’t see how that has anything to do with how is career is being handled. I’m sure everything is going well for him. I just don’t think he cares about the obsession over daily minutae that comes with being on various social media sites. He wants some privacy.

He’s been doing tv, internet, and magazine interviews. He shows up for movie premiers. He signs autographs for fans.

I guess there are some fans here who feel entitled to know everything that is going on in Pine’s life 24/7. And if they don’t get to interact with the actor, they suddenly believe his career is being mishandled. Gimme a break!

I think there are at least a couple of folks on this site who need to get another hobby….

49. Keachick - April 4, 2013

This “weird vibe” may have something to do with the schizoid attitude Hollywood has toward Star Trek and Chris is caught in the middle.

Now, a month/five weeks out from STID’s release date and all people have seen, or not, so far (AFAIK) are some little dull posters in a corner of some movie theatre (ref. Marja’s comment on another thread). I thought she was making some bad April Fools’ Day joke, but apparently not. What? Are Paramount/Bad Robot trying to sabotage their $200 million movie?

I am pleased that many magazines have articles about STID et al. Unfortunately, many people outside the US and/or UK may not have access to these, except if they are already fans and know stuff already, and even then… which is really sort of “preaching to the converted”.

Anyway, not to worry?…

50. Red Dead Ryan - April 4, 2013

The Latin singer Sergio Mandez, couldn’t even go to the bathroom in South America because he was always being hounded, according to Cosmo Kramer.

And that was in the nineties, well before Twitter and Facebook.

51. Phil - April 4, 2013

@48. I suspect that stalking Chris Pine is their hobby. ….

52. Red Dead Ryan - April 4, 2013


Yeah, Keachick seems to have gone beyond making a hobby out of it, but actually managed to turn it into a kind of career.

53. Phil - April 4, 2013

@49. You seem to be trying to fan flames of a non-existant problem that only seems to exist in your head. Paramount/CBS/Viacom/Desilu has made hundreds of millions off the franchise over it’s long history, The idea that Hollywood has some ‘schizoid attitude’ toward Trek is just nonsense, just like suggesting that Bad Robot is trying to sabotage the franchise. Chris Pine isn’t caught in the middle of anything – he’s going to fullfill the terms of his contract, and move on. It’s not the first time Trek has had a moody actor on board, and won’t be the list. So…don’t go looking for problems that are not there. If Chris Pine has anything to worry about, it’s Jack Ryan – if THAT movie is a dud, his status as a B-lister will be set in stone.

54. Keachick - April 4, 2013

I have no problem with Chris not being on Twitter or Facebook and wanting his private time to be just that. Unfortunately, what little people do see of Chris on various sites seem to be of him with head down looking grumpy. It is not a good look…He seems to be handling the (unwanted) attention that he gets at times better than he did – like flipping the bird at paparazzi a couple of years back, a photo that immediately found its way onto the internet…

Unfortunately, such photos do have an impact on people’s perceptions about a person and whether or not, later on, if they see his name as part of a cast list for a movie they are not sure about seeing in the first place, as opposed to another film (which may not be as good), they are prepared to give the movie he is in a go.

Chris is still using the “f” word a little too liberally (ref. quote above). It is not really that cool – for me, it represents the language of the loutish, the careless and/or the uneducated. Chris has a BA in English from Berkeley. I don’t.

I love this guy. I think he looks great and his work to date has been really good. I, the public in general, need to see a glimpse of the person that those Russians and Mexicans met…

55. Phil - April 4, 2013

@54. Well, why? The rest of us are buying a ticket…

56. Keachick - April 4, 2013

Once again, Phil and Red Dead Ryan manage to insult people who have another opinion/perspective on a situation.

Critiquing an actor’s performance and how people may perceive some of his behaviour and comments in and out of a studio does not constitute stalking.

Cut the bs.

57. Red Dead Ryan - April 4, 2013

So Chris Pine throws the f-bomb around a lot in public. So he flips the bird at the paparrazzi sometimes. So he doesn’t always smile when caught on camera.

Big frakkin’ deal!

All that matters is whether he’s a good actor or not. I only care that he’s able to deliver the goods as Kirk in the sequel. I really don’t care about his extra-curricular activities. Those don’t matter.

Plus I doubt that Pine and co. will be revered like the prior Trek actors have been, and continue to be, as sci-fi icons. Once he’s done with the Trek movies, he’s done with Trek in general, period.

58. Red Dead Ryan - April 4, 2013


You weren’t critiquing his acting. You were criticising his lack of socializing with fans. He doesn’t owe us anything but a good, solid performance.

59. Dee - lvs moon surface - April 4, 2013

#48. Red Dead Ryan

As far as I know CP does not want to be in social networks … I think he’s right about that because I doubt he would know to deal with it!

He made ​​a joke about have been ignored by fans in Tokyo … My comments refer to what happened there! I definitely think there was a failure of PR!

I do not understand your reason to offend anyone in this matter, I have not seen anyone disappointed because CP is not on twitter or facebook, at least I’m not, I’m worried about his career because I want the best for him!

60. Dee - lvs moon surface - April 4, 2013

51. Phil

and what’s your hobby?… Hellooo… excuse me!!! ;-) :-)

61. Red Dead Ryan - April 4, 2013

Well, Chris Pine is an adult. He can handle himself. I don’t think we need to worry much about his career, and I doubt he wants us to, either.

And no, I didn’t offend anyone. I happen to think a lot has been blown way out of proportion here…

62. Dee - lvs moon surface - April 4, 2013


Oh yes of course you’re the guy who decides what is out of proportion here …

;-) :-)

63. Phil - April 4, 2013

@61. I ride my bike, do a little gardening, cook, wine tasting, and build sets and props for a local drama group at my church. And a little skiing when I have money and access to snow… Don’t actually make it to the movies that often, the last one I saw was Les Mis…

Your turn :-)

64. Trekkiegal63 - April 4, 2013

Interesting. I keep meaning to watch BBC Sherlock, I have it in queue on Netflix, but I didn’t realize just how huge it is apparently. Like others have mentioned I didn’t know who he was until he was cast in Trek, either. But once ST brought his name to my attention I’ve been seeing him everywhere. I know he’s the voice of Smaug, for example. He seems, if one were to go by his script choices, rather determined to be invited to ComicCon every year for more panel than one.

So if for no other reason (yet – I will get to Sherlock one of these days), I admire his taste. ;)

#59 Red Dead Ryan:

He doesn’t owe us anything but a good, solid performance.

My thoughts exactly.

65. Phil - April 4, 2013

@58. That makes him a moody actor, hardly a rarity in Hollywood these days. Matters not to me if he’s the bluebird of happiness or stomps on baby kittens in his spare time. When I pay my money to see someone perform, I expect him (or her) to do a good job.Who they are in their own time is between them and God.

66. Phil - April 4, 2013

@57. If you are that easily insulted, you need to get out more often…

67. Classy M - April 4, 2013

-65 Trekkiegal63 – ‘Sherlock’ is #7 in IMDb’s list of greatest television shows. You really shouldn’t miss it.

Agree that actors owe their public nothing more than a good performance. Sadly, there are some for whom even that is too much of a challenge.

Off topic: I see Benedict has just been announced for the cast of Guillermo del Toro’s ‘Crimson Peak’, due to start shooting in February, 2014.

68. Keachick - April 4, 2013

“@48. I suspect that stalking Chris Pine is their hobby. ….
52. Red Dead Ryan – April 4, 2013
#51. Yeah, Keachick seems to have gone beyond making a hobby out of it, but actually managed to turn it into a kind of career.”

That’s what is insulting – what was written and the entire tone and it is not the first time either. Yes, Chris Pine does use the F bomb and sometimes he has a good reason.

Just like I have now – FU, Phil and Red Dead Ryan…:(

69. Trekkiegal63 - April 4, 2013

Frankly, based on how obsessive and dangerous parasocial relationships can get on (thankfully rare) occasion (just ask John Lennon, Jodi Foster, etc.), I don’t blame Mr. Pine at all for wanting no part of Twitter or Facebook, which makes stars even more accessible than ever before. More power to him.

70. Trekkiegal63 - April 4, 2013

#68. Classy M:

Thanks for the rec! I’ll have to bump it up the list. :)

71. Dee - lvs moon surface - April 4, 2013

Of course I’m also interested in a good, solid performance … btw movies is one of my favorite hobbies …

……………….but I’m very concerned about what CP has to say about “dildos” … LOL

72. Keachick - April 4, 2013

Nice pictures of Chris Pine. Dildo’s or Dildos? – see apostrophes still have their uses…never can be too careful.,_Newfoundland_and_Labrador


the other kind – google wikipedia which gives a narrative description as well as photos…

73. Keachick - April 4, 2013

This reminds that Chris has spent some time in Greece…:)

74. Phil - April 4, 2013

@72. The man was in West Hollywood. That’s how those nasty rumors get started….

75. stunkill - April 4, 2013

I hope they dont get sick from all the radiation spewing out of fukishima nuclear plant. I wouldnt go anywhere near Japan.

76. Jovius the Romulan - April 4, 2013

Trekkiegal63: Definitely watch.

The hype? It’s the voice. That’s what gets Cumberbatch fans in a tizzy. Some people don’t like the way he looks. I don’t know… to me, he’s attractive in that nonstandard sort of way.

77. Keachick - April 4, 2013

Zachary Quinto is on Twitter. I am not sure if he is on Facebook as well. I don’t know because I am not on neither. I think being on social networks like Twitter is an option, a choice. Zachary Quinto chooses to be on Twitter. Chris Pine does not. Nobody is right or wrong.

78. stunkill - April 4, 2013

Facebook is just one giant spyglass for the government to track and learn everything they can about the dumbed down lemmings that insist on using it and post every stupid little detail about their lives for all to freely see. NO THANKS!

79. Keachick - April 4, 2013

#75 – Chris Pine lived in Silverlake –
“Silver Lake – Neighborhood in Los Angeles
Silver Lake is a hilly neighborhood in the city of Los Angeles, California, east of Hollywood and northwest of Downtown Los Angeles. Wikipedia”

Now he has a home in the Hollywood Hills, which is not that far from Silverlake, according to the google maps, at least.

Some might call it “stalking”. I call it a way of learning geography…

80. Nony - April 4, 2013

Aw, don’t be dejected, Chris Pine. *I* love you way, way more than Cumberbatch, and if I ever see you get off a plane with him, I’ll run directly to you and shriek in your face to cheer you up.

81. Keachick - April 4, 2013

Nony – Chris Pine fans don’t shriek. We purr…remember that…:)

82. Phil - April 4, 2013

@79. Getting Google to give you driving directions from LAX to Mr. Pines home isn’t geography, it’s navigation.

If you need to label the orange an apple, hoping no one notices it’s an orange, it’s not the people who can clearly see it’s an orange who have the problem….

83. Keachick - April 4, 2013

For me, it is more geography than navigation because google show maps of Los Angeles and the surrounding suburbs. Actually, I have not even looked up how I would get from LAX to Chris Pine’s home because I can’t see myself ever being able to afford to get to LAX…

On the other hand, just in case… that million to one chance, I shall now google my navigational route from LAX to CP’s home. Thanks for that, Phil. I don’t know why I did not think of it sooner.

@Chris Pine – Have no fear. As I said, the odds are not at all high that I’d be able to get past Auckland Int’l Airport, let alone anywhere else. Unless I get a most expenses paid personal invite – your call… You are safe, as safe as anyone can be in this life…:)

84. Phil - April 4, 2013

405 north is your friend. 110 east, and you will end up on the evening news for a different and very bad reason. Actually, driving up Hwy 1 is one of those road trips everyone should have on their bucket list.

85. Phil - April 4, 2013

Lived here all my life, and messed up the route number. 105 east is bad. 110 to Pasadena is okay. Boo on me….

86. PEB - April 4, 2013

He is just so good looking…I mean seriously

87. Trekkiegal63 - April 4, 2013

#84 Phil:

Actually, driving up Hwy 1 is one of those road trips everyone should have on their bucket list.

Southern California resident myself and I agree. It’s beautiful. Of course, I use it to get to Santa Barbara for a little wine tasting and Solvang, not to stalk celebrities, but you know, different strokes for different folks.

88. Keachick - April 4, 2013

Thanks for that. Win a fortune – Haha and I might get to drive up hwy 1 and catch all the lovely Southern California sights.

Hey I don’t think about stalking celebrities/actors. I live in the same city as Karl Urban and I even know which suburb he lived in. I actually used to live there myself some years ago. However, I have not been there, even when his address became known through the NZ Herald when he put the house on the market. I have no idea where he lives now (no doubt there will be someone on the internet who does know…). All I know is that he publicly stated that he hoped to live in the same area because he liked the area and so as not to disrupt his kids’ schooling etc…Someone some time back even posted me privately a message telling where I might get to meet him and when, but I have done nothing. I feel weird, strange, shy about doing such a thing in actuality.

As for Chris Pine, it is likely that I would drive past his address but that would be it…

Once again, you presume too much about me…:(

89. Phil - April 4, 2013

@2. Maybe the guys scream….

90. somejackball - April 4, 2013

big shows to fill, but i think he pulled it off pretty good. and he didn’t try to do Shatner, just play the character, Kirk.

Urban on the other hand, did seem to go the impersonation route with McCoy, but he made it work for him, and brought his own sense of ‘Bones’ at the same time. as the family of the late great DeForest Kelley was once quoted: it’s like Urban was channeling our father

91. Keachick - April 4, 2013

why cant i post

92. Keachick - April 4, 2013

Oh dear, must be something I wrote that the quirky site did not like…:(

93. Aurore - April 5, 2013

@90. somejackball – April 4, 2013

I agree.

Christopher Pine really did a good job. I loved him as Kirk.

“Urban on the other hand, did seem to go the impersonation route with McCoy, but he made it work for him, and brought his own sense of ‘Bones’ at the same time. as the family of the late great DeForest Kelley was once quoted: it’s like Urban was channeling our father”

I see your point.

And, regarding Karl Urban’s portrayal of the good doctor , I was moved by what Leonard Nimoy once said:

“When Karl Urban introduced himself as Leonard McCoy and shook hands with Chris Pine, I burst into tears. That performance of his is so moving, so touching and so powerful as Doctor McCoy, that I think D. Kelley [DeForest] would be smiling, and maybe in tears as well.”

(Link if authorized, here):

…I can’t wait to see my crew again….


94. Helen - April 5, 2013

Only a few fans knew Cumberbatch was going to Tokyo. They put up a few posts on tumblr which I remember quite clearly got ignored by 99% of the fandom as they thought it was a hoax poster.

The fans that turned up were a tiny % of Cumberbatch’s Japanese fanbase. If it has been a properly advertised the mind boggles how many would have been there.

The Sherlock fanbase is huge in Japan and they love Cumberbatch’s project choices.

I was at the war horse premiere in London and you;d have thought the screams would have been for Hiddleston or the teenage lead but NO. The crowds went bananas for Cumberbatch.

I’m surprised Star Trek producers havent given Cumberbatch some magazine covers. its all been about Pine. A mistake if you ask me.

95. Trekkiegal63 - April 5, 2013

#94 Helen:

I’m surprised Star Trek producers havent given Cumberbatch some magazine covers. its all been about Pine. A mistake if you ask me.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure you have good reasons for liking Cumberbatch and I’m sure he’s quit talented (haven’t seen this for myself yet but have definite plans to), but this is Star Trek, for which Kirk is the lead character… if Pine wasn’t on the magazines *I* would be pissed, and not because I covet Pine as others on this site do, but for the simple reason that he’s Kirk! Villains come and go, even the exceptionally good/dynamic ones. Kirk is captain and also an iconic character. He is a large part of what makes Trek, Trek.

I’m not trying to sound like one of those scolding people, because yes, tastes vary and people are drawn to movies for various reasons, but using a villain of the week (one likely to last the duration of exactly one film as compared to the nine, counting Into Darkness, that Kirk has been used in) to market a Trek film?! What?!

96. Classy M - April 5, 2013

94 & 95 – Hi Helen & Trekkiegal63 – I think you both make good points. Since Kirk is the primary figure in Star Trek (arguably; you could make a similar case for Quinto), it seems only right that he should spearhead the bulk of the promotions.

That said, Cumberbatch is a far bigger star than Pine in some countries. Doesn’t it make sense to use that popularity in order to attract a wider audience to the film? I’d make the same case for Quinto, Urban or Saldana in the regions where they are the most popular.

Ideally, though, I’d like to see all the primary cast (including Cumberbatch) gracing the covers of magazines, which, so far, only Empire has done. It’s got nothing to do with who’s the most talented (though for the record, Cumberbatch is generally considered one of the greatest acting talents of his generation) it’s about drumming up business and putting bums on seats.

97. dswynne - April 5, 2013

The thing is, every actor’s fear is being type-cast. Amazingly, the actors playing these iconic roles in “Star Trek” have learned this lesson well, which is why they have been doing other roles, particularly in the Indie Film circuit…

98. Phil - April 5, 2013

Actually, Cumberbatch is a much bigger star then Pine is in all countries. A point not lost on the kid…

99. Classy M - April 5, 2013

98 – Thanks, Phil. I assumed that Pine was pretty big in the US, at least in comparison to Cumberbatch. That said, Benedict’s just sky-rocketing, especially this week since news of his participation in ‘Crimson Peak’, the G. del Toro film, was announced. The Emmy, Golden Globe, Bafta, etc., etc., nominations have to have helped too.

100. Trekkiegal63 - April 5, 2013

#96 Classy M:

True, the movie industry is about making money. However in this particular case this is a catch-22, i.e. the marketers for this movie are walking a fine line, appealing to new fans because they want Trek to be larger than it has been in the past (understandable) but at the same time not alienating we old fans, who aren’t a slouch when it comes to supporting our franchise either. For example, in 1986 Star Trek Voyage Home made $109,713,132 (US gross) which may seem small… now, but keep in mind that the average movie ticket price in 1986 according to NATO (National Association of Theater Owners)? $3.71.

That’s 29,572.272.77 estimate tickets sold.

ST2009 made $257,730,019 (US gross) but in 2009 the average movie ticket was $7.50, which means 34,364,002.53 estimate tickets sold.

The margin between the two? Only 4,791,729.76 (or, rounded up, that’s only a 14% increase).

Now granted there are variables, I’m sure not everyone who went to ST4 was a Trekkie to our degree of interest, just like not everyone who went to ST2009 was a Trekkie to our degree of interest, but, overall, you don’t want to alienate the pre-existing Trek fanbase when marketing a Trek film. And putting a villain on the cover of magazine over Kirk would certainly piss off this preexisting fan, though I wont presume to speak for others.

Star Trek is a 47-year-old franchise and Kirk a 47-year-old character. Star Trek comes with history, no matter the cast that carries its name. Do I begrudge people coming to the film just for Cumberbatch? No. But when they want to take over marketing at the expense of our Kirk? No. Just no.

To take Kirk out of the marketing for a movie largely focused on Kirk, who is a beloved character and well known to the aforementioned already existing fanbase who have (the less stellar Trek movies notwithstanding) carried movies before? Not a good idea from a marketing standpoint either.

BTW: these numbers came from and if anyone would like to verify my sources.

101. Phil - April 5, 2013

@99. Nah, Pine and Yelchin were relative unknowns prior to Trek 2009. Saldana, Urban, Cho, Quinto, and Pegg were all established talents prior to the last movie, to some degree or another. Of the cast, Pine hasn’t done a lot since the last movie, it looks like he is banking on Jack Ryan at the end of the year to make him a breakout star. If that effort is a dud, Pine will need to be happy as a competent B-lister…

102. Trekkiegal63 - April 5, 2013

#98 Phil:

Depends on how you look at it, I guess. Do popular stars alone always carry a film? Not really. Another example of misogyny in Hollywood is that Kidman, Foster and Swank got blamed for The Reaping, The Brave One and The Invasion failing at the box office, not taking into account terrible writing and directors up and quitting the middle of the project. Warner Brothers even made a statement at the time “no more female leads” (which angered me to no end).

I wont speak for everyone, but personally, I’m not looking at the issue as defending Pine’s presence in marketing over Cumberbatch’s, but as Kirk’s presence over the villain of the hour. Kirk, a known Trek character, and beloved by a large percentage of us, over a character we are yet unfamiliar with. I would be defending Kirk’s presence in marketing were he played by Shatner, Pine or even someone else.

103. Classy M - April 5, 2013

#102 – It’s Hobson’s choice, really, isn’t it? James T, Kirk is one of the greatest characters in the history of television and I completely agree that he, as a character, has earned his place front and centre of all the marketing. (I’d also have Spock and McCoy at his side. ‘Twas ever thus.)

That said, though, the goal of any marketing plan is to increase sales. Popular stars do indeed carry films (which is why so many of them get the big bucks and names above the title), though I confess I wouldn’t swear Mr Cumberbatch falls into that category as yet.

I have to wonder, though, how much say the producers have in deciding what pictures magazines put on their covers. I suspect very little. Perhaps we should just be grateful ‘Star Trek’ is making the cover of these magazines rather than any of the other films due for release in the near future.

104. Phil - April 5, 2013

@102. I don’t think we are that far apart here, but probably for different reasons. Domestically, yes, Trek is about Kirk and crew, not Crew and Kirk. While Kirk is iconic in the US, he isn’t overseas. Trek has been a consistent moneymaker for Paramount over the years, but in this day and age it’s really important to develop the foreign market. Depending on the market is where the focus will lie – in the US, on Kirk. Now, overseas, Pegg, Urban and Saldana are recognizable, the problem with focusing on them is they are secondary characters, so the foreign focus falls on Cumberbatch. At this point Pine doesn’t have the chops to carry a movie to a foreign audience, so putting Cumberbatch front and center makes more sense, considering that Iron Man 3 will still be strong in theaters at that point. I’ve been poo-poo’ed on this point before, but I suspect that the coattails from The Avengers will mean a boost for IM3, and strong competition for Trek.

105. Trekkiegal63 - April 5, 2013

#103 Classy M:

Perhaps we should just be grateful ‘Star Trek’ is making the cover of these magazines rather than any of the other films due for release in the near future.

A good, fair point. And don’t get me wrong, I am grateful. I may have a few nitpicks, but overall, and from the bottom of my heart, I would like to see this film succeed and the franchise live on.

106. Classy M - April 5, 2013

#104 – Good thing then, Phil, that Star Trek is getting on as many magazine covers as possible. I’m not saying Star Trek should crush The Avengers… who am I kidding? Yes we should!

#105 – Trekkiegal63, It’s nice to know some people on this board can have a polite exchange and not come to the verbal equivalent of fisticuffs! Of course, the bottom line is we both agree – what matters most is that the film is a major success.

107. Dee - lvs moon surface - April 5, 2013

#94. Helen

A lot of fans knew that Cumberbatch was going to Japan, there was much comment at the time on twitter … so… that was definitely his fans who were at the airport in Tokyo!

TrekMovie ignored the clues that indicated that JJAbrams and actors were going to Tokyo because of STID … TrekWeb ensured that Cumberbatch was going to Tokyo because of Sherlock and not for STID, finally had very few fans of Chris Pine in Narita airport that day.

And please do not invert things this is a film about the crew of the Enterprise, the villain is an accident on the way!

You saying that Chris Pine does not deserve the covers of these magazines, this is a ridiculous provocation … give me a break… if you ask me!

And I know exactly what some “Cumberbitches” are trying to do on Tumblr, Benedict Cumberbatch is definitely “better” than this crap that some of his fans are trying to spread!

108. Dee - lvs moon surface - April 5, 2013

104. Phil

“…so the foreign focus falls on Cumberbatch…” REALLY???

Well in my world, “Benedict Cumberbatch” is just a name too complicated to pronounce … ppl have no idea…

but girls love Nicholas Devereaux/ChrisPine!

;-) :-)

109. Trekkiegal63 - April 5, 2013

#104 Phil:

I’ve been poo-poo’ed on this point before, but I suspect that the coattails from The Avengers will mean a boost for IM3, and strong competition for Trek.

I’ve been concerned about that as well. Granted I loved the Avengers, not trying to diss it here (I am a Whedon fan and enjoy his writing. His wit is a thing of legend. And, with a few exceptions here and there, I love, no adore, how he writes women).

But, if given a choice between Iron Man and Trek, Trek has my loyalty, hands down. And based on fads being what they are, and Avengers being so huge right now, and considering the four year difference between 2009 and now, I do fear for Trek a little. :(

… As for the other topic, I’m still not convinced popular actor = popular film. For example both Bradley Cooper and Sandra Bullock are bankable stars (or were, in 2009) but that didn’t stop “All About Steve” (didn’t see it, don’t care to) from winning the most razzies in the same year she won the oscar for “The Blind Side” and Cooper’s “The Hangover” came out. Though I’m not really an expert on the matter and I’m sure being a bankable star helps, but I don’t think it carries the entire weight of a film.

110. Classy M - April 5, 2013

#107 – Cumberbatch’s name is too difficult to pronounce? Oddly enough, they seemed to manage just fine in Japan. And Korea. And Russia…

111. Classy M - April 5, 2013

*That should have been addressed to 108.

112. Keachick - April 5, 2013

Nobody knows what Chris Pine is “banking on”. It is likely that he hopes all the projects he is involved are (very) successful. As he said, paraphrasing, nobody sets out to make a bad film…

“and not because I covet Pine as others on this site do”

Covet? I cannot speak for other Chris Pine fans, but I do not covet him. I like him, I find himself physically desirable. I do not wish to possess him or whatever he might own – those are not mine. Expressing an interest to being open to his sharing who he is, what he may own with me is not covetousness. It is his call and always will be! Other people are glad that he appears to have broken up with his girlfriend, Dominique, and before that, many wrote many nasty things about her and to her. That makes me sick. If Chris has broken up, I am more sad than happy. I hope that both are OK and, at the very least, they can be pleasant to each other.

1. to desire wrongfully, inordinately, or without due regard for the rights of others: to covet another’s property.
2. to wish for, especially eagerly: He won the prize they all coveted.
verb (used without object)
3. to have an inordinate or wrongful desire.”

113. Dee - lvs moon surface - April 5, 2013

#110. Classy M –

HAH… Keep trying! ;-) :-)

114. Dee - lvs moon surface - April 5, 2013

112. Keachick –

“and not because I covet Pine as others on this site do”…

………… that was really… definitely disgusting… LOL

;-) :-)

115. Trekkiegal63 - April 5, 2013

#112 Keachick:

I apologize, I wasn’t trying to offend you (indeed, I wasn’t even trying to specify ‘coveting’ as if its a bad thing, per se – I was trying to differentiate between actor and character – as in I’m not entirely convinced that the vast majority of the movie going population goes to films just for the actors). Perhaps using covet was a bad choice of wording. What I meant to imply with my post was that it doesn’t matter who likes Pine as an actor, or goes to see his films just because he’s Chris Pine. He may very well have a fanbase that goes to movies just for him. Doesn’t matter (to me). What matters (to me) is that he’s Kirk. And Kirk (and by extension the actor who plays him) deserves to be involved in the marketing of a Trek film.

116. Red Dead Ryan - April 5, 2013

Well, unfortunately for Keachick, TrekkieGal63 was spot on. A couple of posters do covet Pine.


117. Phil - April 5, 2013

@116. Yeah, that was funny….

I do not covet Chris Pine…having said that:
I like him
I find himself physically desirable
I’ve an interest to being open to his sharing who he is, what he may own with me.
He makes me purr.
As for Chris Pine, it is likely that I would drive past his address but that would be it…unless he wants to share.
I love this guy. I think he looks great and his work to date has been really good.

Yep. Not obsessed at all.

118. Red Dead Ryan - April 5, 2013


Y’know, Phil, if either one of us said the same things about Zoe Saldana that Keachick has said about Chris Pine, that would fit the definition of “coveting”. Indeed, we’d have the ladies on this site all creeped out and outraged (and quite rightfully so, I might add). They’d be calling for us to be permabanned…..

BTW, Keachick has also made some remarks about Pine-Kirk doing “artful penetrations” as well as some lustful comments about his private parts.


119. Phil - April 5, 2013

@118. There would only be two words involved – restraining order.

I’m done.

120. JP Saylor - April 6, 2013

That’s generally what happens when you’re in a loved TV show. People tend to be more excited about the characters. -GLARE-

121. keep on trekkin - April 6, 2013

I don’t usually comment here (or ever I may have once some time ago) but I have got to thank RDR and Phil for their comments re: Pine and his obligations/career. There is at least some measure of sanity with regard to what actors “owe” us on this site. Some of the vocal Chris Pine fans here scare the daylights out of me and I would wager would send him into permanent hiding if he got a whiff of any of it. No wonder he stays as far away from social media as possible. If certain fan(atics) are disappointed in the way Mr. Pine handles his career all they need do is find an actor that suits their desires more. There are many to choose from.

122. Keachick - April 6, 2013

No, covet is not the right word at all. At least, trekkiegal apologized, but as for Phil and RDR, what can I say? Nothing new here…:(

Covet is to want something/someone for yourself that belongs to another. I do not covet any of Chris Pine’s possessions. The last I heard, Chris Pine is single, ie he does not belong to anybody, so no coveting there.

To express liking or appreciation for someone, whether it be for their physicality and/or talent, concern about how the public may perceive that person, which may affect that person’s career opportunities etc are not bad things. What is bad are some of the comments and false accusations that get made about people who do express such interest.

Far more people *covet* Star Trek and often express anger at what other people suggest could be included in Star Trek, a theme or idea which never set out to be exclusive. They don’t want to see story lines which intimate ideas, behaviours, people (like a Keenser or “catwoman”) which do not fit their own criteria as to what “my Star Trek” should have. Never mind, that Star Trek was from the outset supposed to be inclusive, about discovery, about harbouring understanding and tolerance towards a lifeform like Keenser or a sexual or other behaviour which may seem odd/unlikable but is shown to be generally non-harming to the individuals involved.

Just look at what many Star Trek fan(atic)s have said about JJ Abrams, Zoe Saldana and others. So-called Trek fans have accused JJ Abrams on public boards of “raping” their Star Trek; others have called not only the character, Uhura, but also the actress, a whore etc. The general weirdness that can occur at Trek conventions is one of the first things I became aware of when I came on the internet and googled Star Trek. Various fans call out other fans for preferring one Star Trek film/series iteration over another and well, you only had to come here to read some of the consistently negative, nasty comments made against Rick Berman, William Shatner to name a few…

In light of this, I would say that it is more probable that it is Trek fandom that scares many of these actors like Chris Pine (they certainly frighten Tom Hardy) way more than people like me or Dee could do.

Given that I first saw Star Trek in 1968 as a small girl, loved the series, wrote to the NZBC asking why we (in NZ) were not seeing more of TOS, went to see all the TOS Trek movies at the cinema as soon as they were released and scared and excited at the same time while I bought tickets for myself and son on 8 May 2009 in order to see this whole new iteration of TOS and my favourite characters, I find some of the comments made against me totally without merit and totally crapworthy.

123. Dee - lvs moon surface - April 6, 2013

Well .. surely, I’m less scary than Star Trek … I can be a little nuts, but I promise that I am inoffensive … lol … beyond that I live on the moon, far from CP … he can rest easy in his rabbit hole …

btw … that there remains no doubt, I like CP because I like Star Trek … was how it started … and I wish all the best for Captain Fine … and STID

“What scares me are people who hide their true feelings … dissimulation” … I could throw up on dissimulation!

;-) :-)

124. Dee - lvs moon surface - April 7, 2013

#122. Keachick

The most curious thing about this whole affair … and funny topic… I do not see anyone wanting that Chris Pine is in some social network … but you know I am from the moon I probably understood it all wrong … lol

;-) :-)

125. Trekkiegal63 - April 7, 2013

#122 Keachick:

Look I’m not trying to insult you here, despite the fact that you and I are pretty much night and day when it comes to our philosophies and personal belief systems, I do know you to be an intelligent person, but here is the thing… Yes, it is absolutely normal to admire someone’s looks, or talent, or personality. That’s part of our biological make-up. But when it goes beyond that to fixation…

I’ve talked before about parasocial relationships, which is a one-sided attachment to a celebrity or fictional character (or fictional romantic pairing). There is a whole slew of information available on the ‘net if you want to google it.

In prepubescent girls these types of parasocial relationships are expected, because they’re at a stage in their life when they’re beginning to strive for independence, so their focus begins to shift from their parents to their peers, and the sort of halfway place between that is developing a ‘crush’ on a celebrity. It’s safe. And usually it goes away once they reach dating age.

A parasocial relationship becomes a little bit unhealthy when it becomes a focal point past a certain stage… To clarify what I mean, here is an excerpt from an article titled “Mass Communication and Para-Social Interaction: Observations on Intimacy at a Distance”:

For the great majority of the audience, the para-social is complementary to normal social life. It provides a social milieu in which the everyday assumptions and understandings of primary group interaction and sociability are demonstrated and reaffirmed. The “personality” program, however, is peculiarly favorable to the formation of compensatory attachments by the socially isolated, the socially inept, the aged and invalid, the timid and rejected. The persona himself is readily available as an object of love – especially when he succeeds in cultivating the recommended quality of “heart.” Nothing could be more reasonable or natural than that people who are isolated and lonely should seek sociability and love wherever they think they can find it. It is only when the para-social relationship becomes a substitute for autonomous social participation, when it proceeds in absolute defiance of objective reality, that it can be regarded as pathological.

Now I’m not trying to diagnose you or point fingers or make you feel bad. That’s not my intent at all. More like tell you what it looks like from an outside perspective. The above may not be you at all… but sometimes, some of the comments made, well, they do appear fixated, even if that wasn’t your intent, i.e. ‘in defiance of objective reality’.

Again, I’m not trying to pick on you, just make you aware that while I believe you when you say that you’re not fixated, the wording and/or subject matter of some of your comments give a contradictory impression.

As for Trekkies and arguing, I actually think that quibbling over which series one likes better is more healthy than fixating on one character, actor or fictional romantic pairing, because it’s not so intensely focused on just the one thing. Usually one prefers a series for a multitude of reasons, and a lot of the reasons can be compared to real-life situation, i.e. what speaks to you. In addition, I doubt any of the actors care which series I, or any of us, like best, particularly since none of them know me and I don’t know them, but Chris Pine might care that the neighborhood he lives in was mentioned in an above post (I know I would). :(

This is all I’m going to say on the topic. I am not going to argue with you about it. I’ve stated my thoughts on the matter, that’s that.

126. Keachick - April 7, 2013

“but Chris Pine might care that the neighborhood he lives in was mentioned in an above post (I know I would). :(”

Thing is – someone on another site just wrote “google…”, I did and I found out the neighbourhood in which Chris Pine lives. It has never been a secret. I have never mentioned any address or other. Thing is – you can find that out for yourself. This is the internet.

On the issue of parasocial relationships, generally the only way anyone can know that about such relationship is if the person/people themselves express their feelings/attitudes. If I were not so open and honest, none of you would ever be able to know how fixated or otherwise I could be about anything or anyone. My bad…:(

127. Keachick - April 7, 2013

I have not spoken about just one character, fictional romantic relationship or actor. I made comments about a whole range of Trek related topics, whether they be about the Abrams iterations or about TOS and its movie and TV series spin-offs. I have also made commentary on various political, social, environmental, sexual orientation and discrimination issues and so on, all of which have nothing to do either the Kirk character nor the present actor who plays him.

If indeed I had some of the problems that were mentioned in the article you quoted in your last post, would that invalidate anything/everything that I have written so far and what I might write in the future? Furthermore, what qualifications does anyone possess in order to be able to make such an assessment? Certainly not Red Dead Ryan or Phil – that’s for sure.

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