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Early UK & NZ Into Darkness Reviews Very Positive – Including Empire, Total Film, Guardian and more May 1, 2013

by Geri Schear , Filed under: Star Trek Into Darkness , trackback

There are more reviews for Star Trek Into Darkness coming in from overseas and and they remain, in general, very positive; even, in some cases, glowing. Today we take a look at some of the latest (spoiler-free) reviews coming from the mainstream press in the UK and New Zealand including Empire, The Guardian, Total Film and many more.


Early UK & NZ Into Darkness Reviews Very Positive

A few days ago TrekMovie reported on the first reviews for Star Trek Into Darkness (primarily coming out of Australia). More are now coming online, now including some of the mainstream press in the UK and New Zealand. The latest reviews have the film earning earned 4 to 4.5 stars out of five from the NZ and UK critics. The consensus is the film is a fast-paced action adventure romp and while it’s not perfect, none of its flaws are fatal.

Below are some quotes and summaries of the latest reviews. Again note that while the reviews are spoiler-free the comments below some of them are not so bear that in mind before clicking the links.

The UK’s Empire Magazine: 4/5 stars. Its reviewer Ian Freer extols the film’s sense of fun and adds,

“If this is Abrams’ final frontier, he has left Star Trek in a good place, both in the fictional universe and as a franchise. In some sense; the title is misleading. Into Darkness is a blast, fun, funny, spectacular and exhilarating. The rule of great even numbered Trek movies continues.”

Empire Complete Review

In addition to the print review, Empire also offers a podcast which covers Star Trek into Darkness in addition to some other films, such as Iron Man 3. The Star Trek part of the discussion begins at 52:30 minutes and lasts ten minutes. James Dyer discusses lens flare, 3D adaptations and Klingons. He adds it feels "Trekkier than the first film’, it is much faster paced and is lovingly put together": Empire Podcast

Total Film: 4/5 stars. Reviewer Matthew Leyland notes:

“Mostly, this is fantastic fun: a two-hours-plus blockbuster that doesn’t bog down in exposition or sag in the middle. There are reversals and rug-pulls galore, most of them executed with whiplash skill… this is a franchise flick that demands fanboy foreknowledge far less than it does slack jaws and high stamina.”

Total Film Review

Unlike their colleagues in Australia who gave the film a mere 2/5 stars, Time Out UK gives the film 4/5 stars. Dave Calhoun comments that it is

"[Star Trek Into Darkness is] a stop-gap tale that’s modest, fun and briefly amusing rather than one that breaks new ground or offers hugely memorable set pieces.”

 However, he goes on to add:

"Only when we’re treated to a gratuitous, over-the-shoulder underwear shot of Alice Eve as the Enterprise’s new recruit does this breeziness tip into recklessness. It’s here that we sense the filmmakers’ worry that the whole thing might be a bit too boyish and sexless."

Time Out London Review

UK Guardian: 4/5 stars. Andrew Pulver says the film is

"an astute, exhilarating concoction"

Guardian Review

Digital Spy: 4/5 Stars. Emma Dibdin focuses on the characterizations in her review, saying:

“It’s character-rich writing across the board that makes Into Darkness the triumph it is but Spock’s journey stands out, re-introducing emotional seems from 2009’s Star Trek and taking them to their logical (if you will) extreme…There are moments in Cumber-batch’s hypnotic, placid performance where you’ll question whether Harrison is a villain at all – until he strikes, and you wonder how you ever doubted it. He is genuinely terrifying, quasi-reptilian, combining visceral physical threat with a knack for emotional manipulation that wrong-foots Kirk in much the same way it does us.”

Digital Spy Review

Clickonline 4/5 Stars. Reviewer Daniel Anderson is also impressed, saying

“Star Trek Into Darkness is the finest film yet from JJ Abrams, something that bodes well for his future take on that other great franchise, Star Wars Episode VII. Great action, a compelling story and a spectacular performance from Benedict Cumberbatch make this one of the highlights of the summer movie season.”

Click Online Review

UK site Den of Geek: 4/5 Stars. Chris Pine fans should be happy with Simon Brew’s review which notes:

"It’s arguably Chris Pine who’s the hidden-in-plain-sight gem here. His James Tiberius Kirk bubbles with humour, rebellion and non-conformity, before revealing a steel undercoat when re-quired. "They conclude, "“An exciting, entertaining and pretty excellent blockbuster. Let the clamour for another film start right here…”

Den Of Geek Review

The UK’s HeyUGuys: 4/5 stars. Reviewer Jon Lyus is even more effusive about the film, saying:

“Star Trek Into Darkness will send Trekkers into paroxysms of delight. The rest of the audience will be thrown back and forth from enjoyment to frustration but ultimately leave satisfied.”

Hey U Guys Review

New Zealand’s Stuff: 4.5/5 stars. Chris Gardner, says:

“Abrams has crafted another movie with anchors in Star Trek’s past and today’s reality which will be embraced equally by film goers who know a tribble from a trill and those who don’t.”. (You should be aware that the full review contains spoilers.)

Stuff New Zealand Review

The feeling of the current crop of reviews could be all summed up in the New Zealand Herald 4/5 star review. Russell Bailie writes,

"[Star Trek Into Darkness is] one heck of an epic action flick that proves in this blockbuster season, superheroes aren’t everything… Never heard of this Star Trek thing before? Here’s a great place to start.”

–  New Zealand Herald Review


Bottom Line: So Far So Good

While the film still has only been reviewed by a fraction of the total movie reviewer population worldwide, the response so far appears quite positive.

TrekMovie will continue to monitor overseas reviews as the film premieres work their way to North America.

EDITOR’S NOTE: TrekMovie.com First Review Coming May 10.

An update from an earlier post regarding TrekMovie review of Star Trek Into Darkness. As of now TrekMovie’s review of Into Darkness is set to go up on May 10th, which is the embargo date for USA-based outlets (as the film opens wide in North America on May 17th). If Paramount changes its rules then TrekMovie will post a review as soon as allowable.



1. somethoughts - May 1, 2013

Awesome news!

2. Kirk - May 1, 2013

Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra.

3. Phil - May 1, 2013

IM3 is doing good box office in foreign markets that Trek does well in, too. Hopefully this bodes well, considering that pre-sales have been reported to be healthy…

4. Good Reviews but is it STAR TREK? - May 1, 2013

So far, I read positive things such as “fast paced, no expository lagging in the middle..good summer film..” but how much of this film is STAR TREK?

I’m having doubts…

5. GermanTrekker - May 1, 2013

More than slight spoilers in Stuff New Zealand Review, I would say.

6. Factchecker - May 1, 2013

I grow fatigued….AGAIN.

7. Basement Blogger - May 1, 2013

@ 4

I love your name because I’ve always criticized Star Trek 2009 as a good movie but light in Star Trek terms. I’m for great action and fun as the next guy but still yearn for a Star Trek film to be Star Trek. Here’s some hope. The Supreme Court has announced they wanted to go deeper for the second movie and the Prime Directive is in the clips and the first nine minutes of the movie. IMAX. I’m hopeful.

8. Basement Blogger - May 1, 2013

@ 4

I love your name because I’ve always criticized Star Trek 2009 as a good movie but light in Star Trek terms. I’m for great action and fun as the next guy but still yearn for a Star Trek film to be Star Trek. Here’s some hope. The Supreme Court has announced they wanted to go deeper for the second movie and the Prime Directive is in the clips and the first nine minutes of the movie. IMAX. I’m hopeful.

9. Robman007 - May 1, 2013

These reviews were obviously not written by a Star Trek fan. They didn’t complain at all, thought it was a good film even though it was nothing like the stuff that came before that killed the franchise (even to the point where we as fans tuned out)…

Can’t wait. I don’t wanna pay 15 bucks a ticket to get bored to tears, watch my Enterprise get controlled by a joy stick or have some PC message rammed down my throat. Save that for when it returns to TV

10. Keachick - May 1, 2013

‘”It’s arguably Chris Pine who’s the hidden-in-plain-sight gem here.’

Yes, I have known that for quite some time. His portrayal of any character shows this. His character portrayals can indeed be the “hidden-in-plain-sight gem” bringing a something a little special to a film which might otherwise be dire.

I love seeing him in film. I have not been disappointed at all with anything I have seen of him. Maybe he has surpassed himself in STID…7 more days to go until I get to see “my captain” and I think he will be very much Jim Kirk with a few recognizable prime/Kirk qualities in there as well. So excited, so nervous.

I hope I will wholeheartedly agree with all those positive reviews!

11. Rick C - May 1, 2013

hey Anthony … did you see this?
Rotten Tomatoes’s tomatometer has STID at 100%!!!!

12. Starman - May 1, 2013

“How much of this is Star Trek”?

Star Trek has had MANY action episodes. Know your history.

Let’s get this straight – a theatrical version of “City” won’t work in film. It just won’t. Nobody’s actually seen it and people are crapping over it because it has action. I hate to break it to you people, but Star Trek has had action episodes and not a single person in 40 years has complained.

This reminds me of when shortly before TNG was released, people were petitioning Paramount to not make it.

13. Spock's Bangs - May 1, 2013

Put in your ear plugs naysayers, the buzz is getting louder and louder!! :). Can’t wait!!

14. Rick C - May 1, 2013

Thanks Anthony… Great Spoiler Free Reviews!!!

15. Aix - May 1, 2013

Nice to hear great things about Pine’s Kirk!

16. Picard, Jean-Luc - May 1, 2013

I don’t get fans who say this doesn’t sound like Star Trek.


By that I mean, Star Trek is many things to many people and has evolved over time with the expectations put upon it by its own success and the expectations of a real world audience, from Roddenberry to Meyer and Benett to Berman and now Abrams, each era of Star Trek has brought something new to the table so what is Star Trek? I’d say Trek was too many things for it to be narrowed down to specifics and so the thought of this or its 2009 predecessor not being Star Trek is like suggesting that digital books aren’t books because their not written on paper? Sure ok we all love the physical book, the book is still around but does that mean we shouldn’t explore new ways for people to read?

17. just a guy - May 1, 2013

Great action flic like star wars, exactly.

18. Erehwonnz - May 1, 2013

Robman007, you have the right idea. These reviews sound great all around, and this films sounds like one worth my money.

I am fond of all the Trek films in one way or another, and I attached a weird nostalgia to them despite being too young to have seen the TOS ones in theatres. They are, however, not often the cerebral or even thoughtful films we might think of them as. Star Trek on the silver screen has never really been about exploration or the dialogue in the way the shows have been, and I’m content to let that dividing line remain where it is. This sounds like a film with humanity, heart, and a great deal of action, and I think that’s what the best of Trek films have been.

If nothing else, Trek films are finally demonstrating awareness of the tropes and structure of film in way only a few (TWoK, FC, for instance) have managed. And I can respect that.

19. Starman - May 1, 2013

Star Trek is a dessert topping and a floor wax.

The problem is, people want one or the other and can’t understand it’s both.

20. Anthony Pascale - May 1, 2013

Thanks for the thanks but actually article was written by Geri, a new contributor who is currently assigned to keep track of STID reviews. She will be doing more updates.

I am avoiding reading reviews so as to not cloud my review

RE: RT 100%
we didnt include that because there arent enough reviews being counted yet. I suspect the film will settle down to a more realistic number once the USA reviews go online next week

21. Keachick - May 1, 2013

Dessert topping and floor wax? What?

22. Allenburch - May 1, 2013

Wife and I decided early on to not watch the trailers, (except for the 1st one), or read any of the spoilers. These reviews are all the hype we need.

Thanks to Geri for the great coverage.

23. Gary Makin - May 1, 2013

Looks like this will be the first time two Star Trek films have gotten good reviews in a row. Bennett and Berman never achieved that – kudos to Abrams and company.

By the way, Star Trek is trending on Yahoo UK.

24. Michael Hall - May 1, 2013

Very pleased that several of these reviews go out of their way to state that INTO DARKNESS is more substantive than its predecessor (admittedly a pretty low bar, but still). I continue to hope.

25. Navy - May 1, 2013


Don’t forget though, we’ve reached the time and age where it isn’t politically correct to tell the truth.

I don’t trust any of the reviews, or spoilers. Some of them have credibility, but I’m looking forward to sitting in the theater and deciding for myself.

I don’t have my hopes up that it will be a great Star Trek movie, but I am hoping it will be an enjoyable action flick.

26. Gilberto - May 1, 2013

So far, so EXCELLENT!!

27. Geri - May 1, 2013

Thanks for the appreciation, guys. Apologies if I missed any spoilers. There was, as you can imagine, an awful lot of material to cover. Happily it was all so positive.

28. Crone - May 1, 2013

@19 Perfect!

29. Oct - May 1, 2013

@24 It’s a med-high bar that saves the franchise.

30. BatlethInTheGroin - May 1, 2013

One thing is clear: The people claiming Abrams’ films aren’t Star Trek clearly do NOT know their Trek history. It’s the most Star Trek-like of ANY of the films to date.

31. sean - May 1, 2013


Ahh yes, because we all know film reviewers are famous for holding back their opinions.

Oh boy…

32. BH - May 1, 2013

@25: “Don’t forget though, we’ve reached the time and age where it isn’t politically correct to tell the truth.”

Play the victim card again. Cripes that is a stupid thing to say.

33. Mad Mann - May 1, 2013

These reviews are great and all, but I’m looking forward to reading a review by a real Star Trek fan. Someone who is neither an Abrams-hater nor a Abrams-worshipper. Just just a straight forward Trekkie who just knows every detail of TOS and on, but also appreciates what Abrams has done for the franchise.

34. Maltz - May 1, 2013

@21. Keachick – I think this comes from SCTV.

35. porthoses bitch - May 1, 2013

Anyone remember the end of The Right Stuff ? Gus Grissom unable to contain himself as Gordon Cooper lifts off, stands up and hollers “Go, Hotdog,a go !”……yeah, its like that…. go, Star Trek, go !

36. Devon - May 1, 2013

#33 – Reviews from Trek fans on one of the biggest Trek forums lucky enough to attend the premiere in Australia were very positive.

37. Dennis C - May 1, 2013

It seems that most theories surrounding this film are beginning to pan out and while I’m sure it’s going to be a lot of fun I was hoping for something entirely new instead of a reinterpretation of existing material.

Even for those who weren’t fans of the 2009 movie, what can be said about it is that the story was in and of itself entirely new.

38. Jonboc - May 1, 2013

#4 “So far, I read positive things such as “fast paced, no expository lagging in the middle..good summer film..” but how much of this film is STAR TREK?”

Depends…if you’re looking for old school Star Trek, all of it. . This movie appears to fun,smart, action packed sci-fi adventure laced with romance and humor.

if you’re looking for something twisted in technobabble, heavy with yawn inducing soap opera and severely lacking in humor and action then you would be best served to pop in a sampling from the TNG era…you’re not gonna find THAT kind of Star Trek in this movie.

I’m loving all the possitive reviews, this film is gonna come on like gangbusters!

39. Newdivide1701 - May 1, 2013

Actually the even number tradition ended with ST3 and cemented with ST:Nemesis, which was the 10th movie by the way.

40. porthoses bitch - May 1, 2013

Just finished watching my BOBW Blu ray hadn’t realized what a bad taste Insurrection and Nemisis had left in my brain for STTNG.

Just out of curiosity what does everyone here plan on watching to satiate themselves for the next two weeks?

41. Michael Hall - May 1, 2013

“@24 It’s a med-high bar that saves the franchise.”

Was there supposed to be something substantive in this reply? And in any case, “saves the franchise” for what?

Depends…if you’re looking for old school Star Trek, all of it. . This movie appears to fun,smart, action packed sci-fi adventure laced with romance and humor.”

Well, I’ll agree that TOS was indeed all of those things. (Hell ive even over the years read an interview or two where Rick Berman was willing to cop to it.). I’ll even concede, in the interest of fairness (and as I have done previously) that with Trek 2009 Abrams did a fair job of reviving that sense of swashbuckling fun. Where we differ is your implication that TOS at its best is comprised only of those things.

42. Marja - May 1, 2013


I’m looking forward to Mr Quinto’s performance with the same anticipation as you are Mr Pine’s! And everyone else’s of course :)

Do you think Pine should keep his beard for ST3? I think it really makes him look dashing, like Errol Flynn.

43. smike - May 2, 2013

So far, we get 4 out of 5 reviews all the time. Of course, it’s positive and the film will be certified “fresh” at RottenTomatoes if that trend continues, but looking at the trailers and rumors, this movie looks so fantastic I’d give it 6 out 5 if that was an option.

And THIS is the difference between a casual viewer and a Trekkie I guess. Yes, it’s a great popcorn summer flick for those not invested in the franchise but for those wo have been for decades, it’s a whole lotta more than that. It’s gonna be THE movie of the decade (unless you instist on hating it, because it’s not a 60s TV show)…

44. porthoses bitch - May 2, 2013

No beard for kirk, please I know CP has some acne scars ( but all they do is make him ” ruggedly handsome”).

Would be interesting to see Pine in a Steve McQueen biopic.

45. Shilliam Watner (Click Name for Trek Poster) - May 2, 2013

Hm, not pleased to hear about Kirk hanging from more ledges. He already did plenty of that in the first film. And I would definitely like more character bonding scenes than I’m hearing about here, but I can’t judge until I’ve seen. Kirk can hang from a ledge all movie long as long as it’s an awesome film and there’s a very good reason for him to be doing that hanging.

I’m glad the reviews are positive. I don’t want this film to fail, even if I wind up not liking it. I want to see Star Trek succeed. That’s the only way it will improve. TOS, TNG DS9, VOY and ENT all sucked in their first episodes, so Abrams is actually ahead of those guys in some ways.

46. Buzz Cagney - May 2, 2013

#45 not ahead of them at all. Remember they all were introducing new characters so were going to need time to settle. All JJ has done is take classic characters and run with them. Far easier to do.
Good reviews there but i’ve never believed reviewers.

47. Shilliam Watner (Click Name for Trek Poster) - May 2, 2013

46. Buzz Cagney – I don’t think they had that much of an advantage using established characters, especially since they had all new actors. In fact, that may be seen as a handicap because of expectations and such.

Reviews should always be taken with a grain of salt. I’ve seen movies I didn’t like then changed my mind having seen them a second time. I won’t judge this one until I’ve seen it twice. Unless it’s so bad I don’t want to see it a second time ;-)

48. Keachick - May 2, 2013

No beard for Kirk. Chris has those acne scars but they are not as obvious as they used to be – time and healing. Chris likes his beard – look at all the promo pictures, but that may also be about not shaving too often because shaving can still set off an acne outbreak.

I am looking forward to seeing all the great cast do their thing, whether it be a little or a lot. It is very much an ensemble, with Kirk and Spock in the lead, just as it should be.

Bob Orci has taken note of what I wrote some time back – that the movie needs our hero(s) to run, jump, leap, hang and Kirk, especially, at some point, shirtless – long scene, shot from every angle. I’m not sure I will get my last wish though…:( However, there are already some nice scenes showing those lovely Pine/Kirk blue eyes, etc. I guess one can’t get too greedy and needy…

As for this movie dealing with, hinting on moral, social, philosophical issues, I am sure they will be there. Paying attention is the key.

49. Kirk - May 2, 2013

#19 the dessert topping/floor wax reference is from an snl skit where two people argue about a product called “shimmer.”

It’s a floor wax!

It’s a dessert topping, you cow!

Hey, settle down you two! It’s both!

50. Trekboi - May 2, 2013

Good one #6 factchecker

I saw the film in Sydney ;)

51. Jack - May 2, 2013

Hmmm, most reviews seem tepid on Eve’s Carol Marcus. I gotta stop reading these things…

I wish Roger Ebert could have reviewed this one — even if I dodn’t agree with him, he captured the essence of a movie. I was trying to write that so it sounded less corny and cliched — but his reviews really did sum things up

52. Jim Nightshade - May 2, 2013

why do the tng haters always gotta comment bout it being slow boring space opera technobabble etc…? actually much of tng was enertaining with great character depth n acting, intelligent yet mostly fun storylines, great efx for tv back then etc….
gr captured lightning in a bottle a 2nd time with tng….was great tor home syndication and way more popular than tng ever was…i also like tos n jjtrek…..and thought each series had something good for trek as well from voyager to ds9….i luv the movies cant wait for stid n more awesome epic big budget fun and funny entertaining as hell trek…thanx jj…and gr n rick berman et al…..trek lives….and to the haters i say phhhhtttt!

53. Keachick - May 2, 2013

I also like all of the Star Trek spin-off series. Some episodes within each series are not much to my liking, but overall, I have enjoyed watching all of them and that goes for the movies as well, even Star Trek V and Nemesis. They all have their good moments.

54. Basement Blogger - May 2, 2013


That’s been the question asked. Okay. Let’s look at the creator’s and Leonard Nimoy’s words.

1. Gene Roddenberry in defending The Cage wrote this about his creation. He wanted a show that would

“combine spectable-excitement for a mass group along with meaningful drama and something of substance and pride.”


2. Leonard Nimoy always something like this. He says Star Trek works on multiple levels. It’s adventure but it was also thought provoking. Look at the video attached at the 5: 40 second mark.


3. So “What is Star Trek?”

It’s a science fiction franchise that has adventure but is also about ideas, scientific and philosophical. Nod to Roger Ebert for the last three words.

55. Spock's Uncle - May 2, 2013

Star Trek is whatever JJ and paramount say it is, not what whiny wet-pants naysayers think it was 45 years ago. Grow up!

56. china - May 2, 2013

The Chief Times Newspaper critic saw it yesterday and tweeted last night and said:-

Kate Muir ‏@muirkate 10h

Benedict Cumberbatch is brilliant in Star Trek Into Darkness, boldly going where no American thespian would dare.

57. Classy M - May 2, 2013

The UK press conference stage is set. You really couldn’t ask for a more perfect setting: https://twitter.com/jmacegazette/status/329878098931765249/photo/1

58. Classy M - May 2, 2013

About 150 are already waiting for the premiere to start. They’ve 8 hours to go so I hope they dressed warmly. And Leicester Square looks ready to greet Trek-fans: http://instagram.com/p/YzUNkGoufV/

59. Classy M - May 2, 2013

And a picture of all the cast in London (courtesy of one Mr Simon Pegg): http://twitpic.com/cnjjcs

60. El Chup - May 2, 2013

“In fact the only thing this Star Trek lacks is a moral at the end of the story. Integral, some might say, but not essential. ” – From one of the NZ reviews.

This is exactly what I feared would happen.It’s an action and nostalgia event. It’s not Star Trek.

61. Exverlobter - May 2, 2013

I’m tired of this decade-old debate what Star Trek is. Basically it is one of the most heterogeneous franchises ever, which included even a Halloween-special episode (Catspaw) and a WWF-episode with no one other than The Rock himself (Tsunkatse).
A franchise that includes such a variety on different themes and little subgenres should have open-minded fans that more embrace the new aspects of Star Trek that JJ Abrams brings into it.

62. Ryan - May 2, 2013

I like how some people act like they were going to give the movie a chance then hide their inane dislike behind statements like #60.

63. ObsessiveStarTrekFan - May 2, 2013

@60. El Chup

Talk about cherry-picking a review… I tracked this NZ review down and would like to point out it gave Star Trek Into Darkness 4 1/2 stars out of 5.

I did a seach on the sentence you quoted rather than read the review in its entirety as I’m trying not to get too spoiled.

I’m sorry you have decided, sight unseen (presumably) that the movie is not to your taste. However, as others have pointed out on this site before, if you want to see more Star Trek on the big screen or on TV, it is in our interests that this movie do well – whether each of us personally approve of every detail in it or not.

64. Lazarus Nine - May 2, 2013

The UK’s Telegraph offered less praise:


65. Michael Hall - May 2, 2013

“why do the tng haters always gotta comment bout it being slow boring space opera technobabble etc…? “

Trust me, it wouldn’t be a proper day at Trekmovie without Jonboc getting in a dig at TNG and its brethren. :-)

66. Mark Lynch - May 2, 2013

If you want to watch the UK premiere as it unfolds then try


Don’t thank me, just throw money!

67. PaulB - May 2, 2013

#21 “Dessert topping and floor wax? What?”
Here, let me Google that for you:


(I had almost forgotten about that site until today.)

68. BatlethInTheGroin - May 2, 2013

#60: Of course it’s Star Trek. That’s elitist garbage, and even you had to have realized that while you were typing it. MANY classic Trek stories had no moral lesson. There’s no moral lesson to at least half The Original Series episodes.

69. PaulB - May 2, 2013

#52 “why do the tng haters always gotta comment bout it being slow boring space opera technobabble etc…?”
Because TNG was slow, boring space opera (make that SOAP OPERA) with too much technobabble. TOS was about space as the “final frontier.” TNG made space feel like a suburb and the Enterprise a corporate boardroom.

That said, TNG also had 4 or 5 of the all-time best Trek episodes, up there with anything TOS ever gave us. (My list is the same as most fans–The Inner Light, BOBWpt1, Yesterday’s Enterprise, etc…)

But between those rare quality episodes, MOST of TNG was boring tripe. I recently tried watching the TNG episodes I missed before, but invariably turned them off within minutes because it was SOOOO boring. Data’s having dreams! Poker game. Data’s learning acting. More poker. Holodeck nonsense. Worf gets hurt by a falling canister. More poker. Data’s plays a musical instrument. Poker on the holodeck! Troi and Crusher do aerobics. And more…frakking…poker….

Most of TNG was boring, technobabbling mediocrity, but that handful of great episodes–man, I can rewatch “Yesterday’s Enterprise” a dozen times before watching any TOS classic! “Darmok” and “The Inner Light” were better science fiction than most of Star Trek has been.

70. Josh C. - May 2, 2013

I don’t know if anyone noticed this with their local theaters, but my theater now has midnight showings of Into Darkness the night of Wednesday the 15th and they start showings all day on Thursday the 16th instead of on Friday. Getting it a full day (and night) early? perhaps!

71. Josh C. - May 2, 2013

@69 yeah, I was just thinking this yesterday. TNG had a lot of good episodes, but some of the middle episodes I find it difficult to go through. I kinda feel like I enjoy Voyager, overall, a lot better, even if the level of their top-notch episodes aren’t quite as good as compared against TNG’s top notch

72. Patrick B. - May 2, 2013

@70 Wednesday the 8th, 22:30, “Pre-Premiere” in “Maxximum 3D” (Cinemaxx Germany)

73. weeharry - May 2, 2013

boborci, simon pegg et al….

if you fancy popping up to Edinburgh tomorrow I’ll buy you a pint


74. msn1701 - May 2, 2013

This makes me so happy! So glad to hear positive reviews about what is to surely be my favorite movie of the year :)

75. Curious Cadet - May 2, 2013

@48 Keachick,
“As for this movie dealing with, hinting on moral, social, philosophical issues, I am sure they will be there.”

Well, fenale objectivism doesn’t appear to be one of them. It looks like one reviewer has confirmed what several of us suspected from that brief scene in the trailer —

“Alice Eve does not get the same treatment and the trailer-friendly underwear scene is sadly, utterly extraneous.”

76. Curious Cadet - May 2, 2013

@5. GermanTrekker,
“More than slight spoilers in Stuff New Zealand Review, I would say.”

Holy spoiled kiwi batman …

Hey ANTHONY, I have to agree … This review ALL but confirms exactly who the villain is. It also confirms the identity of a major plot point regarding a certain organization within Starfleet among other “slight” revelations …

Yikes, if I hadn’t already read the leaked spoilers from the Australian premiere I would be really upset.

This one actually needs a much bigger WARNING!

77. Aurore - May 2, 2013

“This review ALL but confirms exactly who the villain is.”

I guess, there will be even more discussions about Miss Eve’s underwear, then…

Sorry, Anthony.

‘Feeling grumpy!


78. Vger23 - May 2, 2013

75- Star Trek has always objectified females. Look at every other episode of TOS. Look at Troi’s low-cut non-uniform. Look at 7-of-9. Look at T’Pol.

Anyone who says that it’s not part of Star Trek has not had their eyes open for the past 47 years.

79. Vger23 - May 2, 2013

I think a lot of people defending these movies get confused about something. Most of the people who “hate” on the new films are NOT relics of a 47 year old TV show. In fact…most Original Series Trek fans are the ones who LIKE the new movies. It’s the fans of the 80’s and 90’s TNG-era Trek who are most passionately opposed to the direction Abrams and crew have taken the new movie.

Most TOS Trek fans would argue that this is finally a return (at least part-way) to the fun, thoughtful adventure and excitement of the 60’s. Most TNG-era fans will feel that these movies are missing thoughtful conferences, painstakingly debated moral dilemmas, long negotiations, and heavy focus on technology / tech-solutions.

The two eras (TOS 60’s and TNG 80’s / 90’s) of Star Trek were products of the times. These new movies are products of our CURRENT times. They are not for better or worse if you look at it that way. Most “TNG-first” Trekkers who are upset feel that way because they know their era is “over” and that style of Trek is not returning any time soon. It was much the same way that “TOS-first” Trekkers felt when they digested the first couple of seasons of TNG and hated on it.

I like all different versions of Star Trek to varying degrees, because I don’t let my own narrow need for sameness, comfort, and nostalgia override my ability to just enjoy something that is meant to be enjoyed.

I wish others were capable of the same.

80. John from Cincinnati - May 2, 2013

Chris Gardner Stuff New Zealnd Review:

“Bones” McCoy was equally as integral to the original Star Trek, and Abrams gives our own Karl Urban plenty to do in Into Darkness but it would have been more faithful to the source to make this film about the classic triumvirate of the three characters. ”

See- it’s not just fans of 4 decades who noticed this. Critics are too.

Take that, Uhura apologists!

81. Mark Lynch - May 2, 2013

Great post…

82. Mark Lynch - May 2, 2013

I meant post #79, sorry #80

83. John from Cincinnati - May 2, 2013

There is no better episode in any incarnation of Trek than…

“City on the Edge of Forever”

Simply, the BEST!

84. Mark Lynch - May 2, 2013

Although your post is good as well.

Dammit! Wish there was an edit button…. >:-(

85. BatlethInTheGroin - May 2, 2013

#69: Troi and Crusher doing aerobics is always a good thing.

86. Toby - May 2, 2013

@79 Couldn’t have worded it better myself, you don’t see Bond fans harking back to the Roger Moore days, Trek has to move with the times like every other franchise

87. Vger23 - May 2, 2013

Mark and Toby…thanks!

It’s really that simple I think…

88. Anthony Thompson - May 2, 2013

STID has an 88% rottentomato score.

89. cpelc - May 2, 2013

Yeah. The one rotten review was still a 3/5 which isn’t too bad.

90. weeharry - May 2, 2013


Great post. A thoughtful, considered addition to a coherent debate, as opposed to a lot of the very disheartening vitriol, personal attacks and one-upmanship that I have witnessed on this board. Seems to me that a lot of people who contribute here might be able to tell me exactly where the principle of IDIC originated whilst completely missing the point of the concept.

Just to add too….there will also be some of us for whom JJ-trek is their first and favourite exposure to the trekverse – are their opinions any less valid than ours?


Agree with you mostly, my only difference would be that there are a few more than four or five quality episodes, although I think you might appreciate this…a colleague of mine used to use ‘Darmok’ in lectures about semantics (I called her out on this and said that it was just an excuse to get paid for watching star trek!)

LLAP everyone!! Can’t wait for next week

91. star trackie - May 2, 2013

#79 “I think a lot of people defending these movies get confused about something. Most of the people who “hate” on the new films are NOT relics of a 47 year old TV show. In fact…most Original Series Trek fans are the ones who LIKE the new movies. It’s the fans of the 80′s and 90′s TNG-era Trek who are most passionately opposed to the direction Abrams and crew have taken the new movie.”

Agreed. Despite the battle cry of some that “it’s all Star Trek”, no it’s not. TOS and the TNG are NOT apples and apples. Yours truly, is one of those original series fans who felt abandoned by the bizzaro -head scratching Trek universe that unfolded in the 80’s and 90’s. I knew it was called Star Trek, but damned if I could find much about it that resembled Star Trek. I find JJ’s Trek a refreshing return to adventurous Star Trek that captured my imagination and made me a life-long fan. I couldn’t be happier with the current state of Star Trek, who says you can’t go home again?

92. NuFan - May 2, 2013


I don’t see how 3/5 qualifies as negative.

93. JohnRambo - May 2, 2013

new clip!!!!!

94. Aurore - May 2, 2013

“… but it would have been more faithful to the source to make this film about the classic triumvirate of the three characters. ”

Of course…

If what I hear is true, there is, at least, another aspect of the movie which would have been more “faithful to the source”, had a certain choice been made.

Any word of that in that review?

Is the villain “faithful to the source” ?

Or perhaps, some “changes” are more acceptable than others.


And, since I’m feeling grumpy today I’m going to say it. Again.
The shot of Miss Eve in her underwear does not bother me. At all.
Though I understand that it might upset some fans (for many a reason).

95. JohnRambo - May 2, 2013

there are also a lot of interviews from the set.


96. Bob - May 2, 2013

I’ve read the real deal spoilers for this movie and the die hard Trek fans are going to hate it. IMHO, JJ has done a mighty injustice to us fans.

97. Denins C - May 2, 2013

From The Guardian:

“Star Trek into Darkness is, by and large, a reprocessed version of an earlier film in the series, and your enjoyment of this new film depends almost entirely on your ability to spot links to the old one. I will say no more for fear of spoiling what others have slightly generously described as “the fun”, which here means cheering things you recognise from another movie…

…A large portion of Star Trek’s audience may well be satisfied by a film that amounts to not much more than an incredibly pretty and sporadically funny in-joke. But think back to the corny romance of that original mission statement, recited by William Shatner on many a rainy school night. Strange new worlds. New life. New civilisations. Boldly going where no man has gone before. That pioneer spirit? It’s gone.”

This reminds me of how I felt about the prequel to THE THING. The links to Carpenter’s film made me smile and the closing sequence in the end credits tied directly to Carpenter’s film. “Cool!” I thought and then I thought “But cool because it reminds of Carpenter’s film.”

I enjoy NuTrek but, again, I wish they had decided to go with something entirely new. Alternate universe, unlimited possibilities.

98. Dunsel Report - May 2, 2013

Also agres with #79. Likewise, I think a lot of the high emotion from Kirk and Spock fans comes from having to live through a long period of 90s exile in the wilderness, like a banished faction in a Middle Eastern country.

During the peak of TNG’s popularity, conventional wisdom professed that the new show put the old show to shame. I recall the humiliation of reading a Spin magazine piece from the mid-90s about how Picard and company operated on a mature level that left ’60s Trek, by comparison, an embarrassing, hokey relic about bad costumes and sexism. (Not completely untrue…)

But it was a pretty hard pill to swallow and I think a lot of the ire we are seeing comes from TOS fans being told for so long that the unnfolding canonical record of the Dominion Wars, etc. had proven themselves vastly more interesting than the character interactions we loved from the original.

Both are valid reasons to like Trek, but come from very different places.

So now that J.J. has rediscovered the original appeal of Kirk and Spock as great characters, whose relationship is more important than the consistency of the universe around them, what has been abandoned is a drive towards a consistent historical universe. This impulse, while present in Trek dating back to the original series bible, picked up speed during the TNG era and really became more of a part of TNG fandom than TOS fandom. After all, as late as 1979 Gene Roddenberry was junking any notion of canon for his revisionist TMP novelization.

99. Antimatter - May 2, 2013

Lens flair and the brewery again. I’ll pass.

100. Curious Cadet - May 2, 2013

@83. John from Cincinnati,
“There is no better episode in any incarnation of Trek than…“City on the Edge of Forever”

You’re right of course. And this would probably make for just as good a feature film of Star Trek as TVH which did incredibly well among general audiences. If you think about it, both were very light on “action”. These are the Casino Royale’s of Star Trek. And I suspect Chris Pine would be fantastic in what is essentially a romance film (so was TVH home if you consider Kirk’s love affair was with the whales). While I don’t expect to see it with Abrams tenure of the franchise, something like this would make for a great holiday Trek movie. Maybe that’s how Paramount should address the franchise going forward. Make a big mindless action Summer blockbuster every 4 years, but release a smaller budget Holiday installment every two years in between them.

I was also thinking about what is missing from the formula for the feature films, that was an integral part of the series. And that is, a movie that starts with a routine assignment that turns into something completely unexpected. Get the Enterprise away from Earth and Starfleet, and focus on their ability to be self-sufficient when facing an insurmountable foe in deep space. Do modern audiences really need the destruction of the Earth hanging in the balance for a Summer blockbuster to be entertaining? I submit this is becoming a tiresome formula. The Apple is both a horrible and an excellent example of a classic Trek formula. Other better episodes do it as well but not as explicitly — shore leave, squire of gothos, errand of mercy, that which survives, arena, Galileo 7, etc. Routine exploration becomes a nightmare as the Enterprise is in jeopardy (with Scotty in charge), as is the crew on the planet. Upon reflection, I think the idea of this is probably more romanticized and idealized than it was ever actually depicted. However, with a feature film budget, this formula could be done extremely well, even if it only encompasses part of the movie (and then if they must, take us back to save the Earth with an epic space battle).

101. Aurore - May 2, 2013

“JJ has done a mighty injustice to us fans.”

I’ll be the judge of that!

Please! At least, let me see the movie first!


102. Antimatter - May 2, 2013

No spoilers here, but if you tell me that the Enterprise has no power and falls into the ocean, but survives, this is total BS.

103. Antimatter - May 2, 2013

If JJ wanted to keep this movie a secret, why was it released in Australia way ahead? I now know the whole plot with spoilers galore. I guess I can’t post the link since my original link was, in record time, deleted. I’ll say will say that IMHO there will be hell to pay by the TOS fansbase.

104. Curious Cadet - May 2, 2013

@94 Aurore,
“Though I understand that it might upset some fans (for many a reason).”

I don’t think this is just a fan issue. Any film that contains an “utterly extraneous” scene should be cause for concern to its audience, fan or not. When the scene is included gratuitously, be it nudity, violence, or otherwise, then I think it should be especially upsetting to any audience.

However, I would suggest we all refrain from debating Miss Eve in her up skivvies until we’ve all actually seen the scene in context, as Keachick often implores. I openly admit I took a dig at her defense of the clip based on the presumed relevance of the scene, but the truth is this is just one critic’s reaction and must be taken with a grain of salt.

105. Lurker - May 2, 2013

@102. You are drawing a conclusion from incomplete, unseen evidence.

@103. You do not speak for the “TOS fanbase”. You never have and you never will.

106. Aurore - May 2, 2013

“However, I would suggest we all refrain from debating Miss Eve in her up skivvies until we’ve all actually seen the scene in context, as Keachick often implores etc etc…”

….In fact, Rosemary and other posters ( myself included ) always suggested as much , regarding the movie…..I even did it today, on this thread (@ 101)….


107. Exverlobter - May 2, 2013

” “There is no better episode in any incarnation of Trek than…“City on the Edge of Forever””

Meh, i think this episode was overly sentimental and gooey. I don’t understand why so many people think, it was the best one of the series

108. Commodore Adams - May 2, 2013

@ 99. Antimatter You’re pathetic.

Some people will never say this, but I will.

I can’t believe some of you die hards. Dislike this so much you refuse to see it, even though it is for all intensive purposes Star Trek, and the only Star Trek we have right now, and because you don’t agree with it, you would rather deny yourself any bit of new Trek just because it does not conform to what has come before. Do you know how pathetic that makes you? Are you one of those people still living in the 80’s with 80’s clothes and 80’s hair styles never changing anything. Are you so old that you are bitter about everything that is new “those kids and their damned music.” Life is change and that includes everything in it. Those of you who only really care about TOS are not Star Trek fans even though it is the original…you are TOS fans. True Star Trek fans will embrace all incarnations even though some might be better than others, some might like TOS more than DS9 but in the end a fan will embrace all.

Granted these movies are lowbrow compared to past Trek but sometimes a break from the highbrow is nice, its nice to get lost in a big action adventure. And its not like there will be a lack of aspects to debate and interpretations to be dissected once seeing Into Darkness. Its not like this is G.I. Joe or The Expendables, now those movies are mindless garbage.

So tell me….what if Gene Roddenberry were alive and said, “I like these movies, they are fun, and I am pleased with the direction Star Trek is going.” Would you start hating him the way Star Wars fans are hating on Lucas because of his constant manipulation of Star Wars? If so your a hypocrite. Lets be thankful that past Star Trek is the moral story we love and will always be so and embrace what is new and fresh. While you b!tch, complain, pout, act grumpy and negative i’m watching the 2009 movie with a huge smile on my face and anticipating Into Darkness.

I understand the passion for Star Trek, what I don’t understand is why you would deny yourself the pleasure of seeing a new movie.

109. Jay - May 2, 2013

Am I the only Trek fan that can accept each version for what it is? A different version of Star Trek?

TOS and TNG were made in completely different times from the perspective of people from those times. Of course they will be different and reflect the views and isues of the time. As well as the stylistic elements that were popular at the time.

Same goes for the movies – the TOS movies, the TNG movies and now the JJ movies.

I can enjoy them all and accept them all as Star Trek, while at the same time being able to objectively say “this one is terrible, or this episcode is terrible”, or “this movie/episode is great!”

They are all Star Trek because they are set in the Star Trek universe. It doesn’t matter about dates, or if the Enterprise’s appearance is slightly altered… that’s not what makes Star Trek.

I love Star Trek, and while I can watch TOS episodes and enjoy them, I often laugh at how corny and outdated they are alot of times. And I can recognise how boring and slow alot of the TNG episodes were, and how cheap the production quality of most of the movies have been. But I still enjoy them for what they are.

And I for one couldn’t be happier that someone made a real blockbuster level movie – and now 2!! – of Star Trek, with the original characters even! It’s a great time to be a Trek fan.

110. Toby - May 2, 2013

@109 I 100% agree with your post. As much as I love all the various incarnations of Trek and it’s various cerebral and moral dilemmas, secretly, I’ve always wanted it to be given the proper blockbuster treatment on the big screen, at the end of the day there is no Trek TV show around for us at the moment to really get our teeth into so it’s this or nowt. I choose this, every time without question, the franchise couldn’t continue with under-budgeted, extended episodes of TNG going up against $200 million 3D blockbusters and expect to get a slice of the cinema-going pie (look at the box office returns on Nemesis – it is beyond embarrassing and Nemesis is one of my favorites!)

I for one have my opening night tickets and cannot wait!

111. Phil - May 2, 2013

@103. Yep. As we speak, the true fans are assembling to march on Paramount with pitchforks and torches, and anything short of JJ’s lifeless body on a stake is a moral outrage, and a sign of the apocalypse….

Okay, we get you aren’t a fan, but do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?

112. J - May 2, 2013

In other news tracklist for STID soundtrack has been revealed today (posted earlier, but my post disappeared…) – three tracks are marked as “contains Alexander Courage’s theme” – nice. No upgraded end credits though, which is a shame. We’ll have to wait for a deluxe edition I guess.

113. TUP - May 2, 2013

The reviews are beginning to give me hope. I read the Spoilers early and felt it sounded horrible on paper. The reviews and clips make it seem like the film might play out better on the big screen.

Looking forward to it.

114. cpelc - May 2, 2013

new clip:

Ears Burning


115. Antimatter - May 2, 2013

#108 The only one pathetic is you and your 5 paragraph blabber.

116. Chris Pike - May 2, 2013

100. Curious Cadet – May 2, 2013

True…but also worth considering it is possible to make a fantastic looking massive blockbuster pure sci-fi “Trek-like” film with at least some attempt at intelligence…. Avatar…! the plot could be fairly easily tweaked to be a Trek film….and there’s others (non Trek-like) – Inception, T2 and Matrix just saying doesn’t NEED to be dumbed down

117. Bob - May 2, 2013

Most of you already know the big kept secret of this movie. Some have known all along who the villain is. I think it’s cheap and unimaginative. I also think that I think an original idea would have been better.

118. Red Dead Ryan - May 2, 2013

I find it amazing that some “fans” on this site choose to slam J.J Abrams’ movies simply because of what they perceive to be “inaccurate depictions of physics”, “mindless action”, and a supposed “lack of respect for canon”. This is absolute nonsense.

But these “fans” have already decided to hate the sequel before they have even seen it.

For once, Paramount is making Trek movies without being cheap. The budgets are on par with other mainstream blockbusters. And the quality shows as a result.

So, all of you fans out there who hate the new movies, just stay home and be miserable in your mommy’s basement while sitting in your dirty underwear watching your old, worn-out VHS recordings of TOS.

The rest of us will have a blast watching “Star Trek Into Darkness” at the theatres.

119. Allenburch - May 2, 2013

@ 108. Commodore Adams
@ 115. Antimatter

Knock it off. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Trying to force-feed opinions, on the other hand, is comparable to religious radicalization.

A persons rights end where another persons rights begin.

120. Starman - May 2, 2013


LOL…what a great moment between Kirk and Uhura….and the look on Spock’s face, priceless…thanks for sharing!!

121. Bob - May 2, 2013

#118 Filming in a brewery isn’t being cheap? The place looks like the engine room of the USS Budweiser. Vats? Steam? At least make it look like the fans want. JJ didn’t listen to us. Most said no more lens flare and build a decent engine room. Neither was done.

122. Daniel - May 2, 2013


There’s a part of me that’s happy that you’re upset. lighten up!

123. weeharry - May 2, 2013


you kinda just proved his point for him there, dude

124. Theatre Historian - May 2, 2013

I have a question.
Has anyone confirmed who is the voice of the enterprise and or Vengence’s computer?

Thats probably the thing I have most been anxious to hear out of of the things being discussed from the premieres/ and media screenings so far that I haven’t heard any mention of.

Just curious if they chose to find a way to utalize any of Majel Barretts previously recorded lines as the voice of the computer from the previous movies and shows she made before she passed away, or if a new actor/actress was brought in for the voice of the computer, and if so does it sounds similar to majel or if they went an entirely different direction.

125. J - May 2, 2013

@124: The third option is there is no computer voice in the movie whatsoever.

126. Red Dead Ryan - May 2, 2013


This “Antimatter” fellow is highly reactive, and combustible, especially when placed into an environment with people who actually “matter”. :-)

127. Phil - May 2, 2013

@124. Yeah, Gilbert Gottfreid…

128. DV - May 2, 2013

To be honest, the thing that bugs me most about the JJ-era movies is the art direction…Beyond the brewery or the lens flares, even. Everything looks really clunky, decorative and not very functional. Why are there price scanners on the consoles? Where’s the implication of functionality and interface design logic? Why are there hallway diagrams six feet above the officers’ heads, recessed rounded rectangles in the hallway and slick, slippable floors? The new Enterprise feels especially weird and thrown-together. I appreciate the backstory behind it, but it looks really compositionally unbalanced. It bugs the hell out of me and kinda takes me out of the immersion.

TOS and TNG design both felt and looked very usable and functional and ahead-of-its-time. The TMP-era bridge actually had a console manual for the actors, even!

Art direction does not a movie make, but it goes a long way for me, personally — Oblivion and Prometheus had absolutely amazing attention-to-detail in terms of its art direction, regardless of the quality of the movie. I miss when Star Trek had art direction worthy of a technical manual.

P.S. I do wish people would stop slagging technobabble. When it’s good, it can be really interesting and uncover a whole other logical layer behind the series. It’s not good to rely on it, obviously, but I love technobabble and miss it like crazy. TNG had amazing technospeak that had a lot of intense attention to detail if you paid enough attention to it.

129. Han - May 2, 2013

Wow, out of 40 years of Star Trek history, 40 years worth of Star Trek villains, the best Abrams can do for his second movie is go right back to Khan? The sheer dearth of imagination and ambition is simply staggering. This isn’t a movie, it’s a filmed version of some n00bs lame-ass fanfic!

And for all you Star Wars fans out there, considering that Abrams has his meat-hooks deep in Star Wars VII, I’d be in full-on panic mode right now if I were you…

130. Danpaine - May 2, 2013

In saying this I’m not suggesting I’m going to dislike the movie – heck, I’ve enjoyed EVERY Trek movie to some degree, but I am pretty disappointed who the villain turned out to be. I agree with those saying unimaginative, and typical. All our pleas of “Please, not THAT guy,” were ignored. So many other great villains in Trek lore to reimagine. Anyway.

That said, my ticket for the 15th is purchased, and I’m sure it’ll be enjoyable.

And I could care less about what engineering looks like.

131. weeharry - May 2, 2013

pics from London


132. RBanks - May 2, 2013


I am a part of the TOS Fanbase, and you DO NOT speak for me, or for that matter, anyone else, other than yourself.

133. Bob - May 2, 2013

#132 Thanks “Lurker”, again. How many different names do you use here?

134. Bob - May 2, 2013


I wonder why Pine wears his hair in the correct Kirk part in these photos but on the opposite side in the movie? Curious.

135. RBanks - May 2, 2013


Umm, I don’t know you, so I have no idea what you are thanking me for.

I also don’t understand your “different names” question.

My one and only username is RBanks.

136. Basement Blogger - May 2, 2013

@ 55

Spock’s Uncle says,

“Star Trek is whatever JJ and paramount say it is, not what whiny wet-pants naysayers think it was 45 years ago. Grow up!”

Either you’re a Trekkie Troll or have anger management issues. Look, I liked Star Trek 2009, have the DVD. It was light in being Star Trek. It’s not the best Star Trek or the best movie ever made. it’s good. And what I said is from the creator of Star Trek. And get this. Star Trek 2009 was dedicated to creator Gene Roddenberry.

For the record, I’m looking forward to the new film. From the clips and comments of the Supreme Court, it looks like the new movie is going deeper.

137. Buzz Cagney - May 2, 2013

The solid reviews are mounting up. Radio Times online here in the UK is pretty good about it.
Perhaps i’ll put aside my doubts and take a look (from behind my hands I should think).

For now i’m enjoying another viewing of The Voyage Home. Now thats an original piece of movie making! Hollywood isn’t brave enough these days.

138. Buzz Cagney - May 2, 2013

#86 *cough* actually I would rather watch Roger in Bond than pretty much anything that has come since. But then I still like disco music!
We are where we come from- no apologies here. ;)

139. RBanks - May 2, 2013


The Voyage Home is one of the most entertaining (and funny) films in the whole series in my opinion. It’s one of my favorites too.

140. RBanks - May 2, 2013

#138 says-

“But then I still like disco music!”

You didn’t do a little too much LDS, did you?

141. Buzz Cagney - May 2, 2013

LOL ;)

TVH is magic, isn’t it. I watched it all and have started to watch it again from the start.
No Trek has got near the emotion of the closing scene’s.
My friends, we’ve come home. Gets me every time!

You have a favourite scene, RB?

142. Dennis C - May 2, 2013


Buzz, you seem like a nice guy so I’ll give you a pass on Roger Moore Bond but disco? Do you have ANY idea what it was like to be an 8 year old kid watching your father strut around in platform shoes and having to listen to the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack over and over and OVER? The madness finally ended when Star Wars was released and then he listened to THAT soundtrack over and over — and that was a good thing. To this day I still thank George Lucas and John Williams for saving my childhood.

Oh, and “Live and Let Die” was a terrible movie. Woof!

143. Oct - May 2, 2013

How does Rotten Tomatoes work, because the ‘Empire’ review isn’t up there yet?

144. Danpaine - May 2, 2013

One more vote for TVH here – some of the best character scenes ever –
love the one between Scott and McCoy – “How do we know he didn’t invent the thing?” Classic.

…and even though I loved Skyfall, yup, I still prefer Roger myself. Guess our ages here are showing….

145. Buzz Cagney - May 2, 2013

#142 we can agree on one thing, Dennis, John Williams is a genius.
I still do like disco though. ;)
Did John do the cantina music? Quite disco isn’t it? lol

146. Buzz Cagney - May 2, 2013

#144 Oh no doubt, Skyfall is quite excellent.
If Darkness gets half the box-office that did it will done brilliantly.

147. Toby - May 2, 2013

@138 I never said I didn’t like the Roger Moore Bonds – In fact they are my personal favorites especially the 70’s ones, but would they do Bond like that in 2013? I’d say not

148. Buzz Cagney - May 2, 2013

#144 lovely acting from James Doohan in particular in that scene. He’s a much underrated actor.

149. Paul - May 2, 2013


Music soundtrack samples 30 secs each are here now streaming only. Track 13 is my favorite so far wow what a track!!

150. RBanks - May 2, 2013


Oh, there’s so many, it’s hard to choose. The Vulcan nerve pinch on the punk-rocker, Spock’s quickly improvised method for covering the points of his ears, the Klingon ship de-cloaking above the whaler…

I really liked the scene near the end in the bay though, as they kind of cut loose and played like kids in a pool. You just got the idea that the cast was really having fun doing what they were doing, like they had a really great day together.

It’s magic indeed.

151. Dennis C - May 2, 2013


Ah, shoot. Ya’ got me on the Cantina Music.

152. Buzz Cagney - May 2, 2013

That is a lovely scene. The music adds greatly to that. Jimmy took quite a painful looking slide down the side of the Bird of Prey. He must have had a nasty bruise in a painful place!

I also love the scene in the court when Kirk receives his ‘punishment’. Who says Bill can’t act. Barely a flicker on his face but we could see his joy at the news!

153. RBanks - May 2, 2013

Speaking of Bond, Roger Moore, and great soundtracks, the film Moonraker introduced me to another genius of music named John-the late John Barry.

The piece from the Moonraker soundtrack titled “Flight into Space” is absolutley majestic.

And from the movie Dances with Wolves, “The John Dunbar Theme” is just beautiful.

It’s too bad he’s no longer with us. I would go see a film simply because John Barry composed and conducted the score.

154. Buzz Cagney - May 2, 2013

#151 i’m not keeping a score card, Dennis. ;)
I’m guessing JJ has already been in touch with Mr Williams? Surely he must have? Who else could do it!

155. Danpaine - May 2, 2013

I love when Sulu is getting the helicopter going and turns on the windshield wiper by mistake. His expression is priceless.

…and of course, the “…I love Italian, and so do you..” exchange.

Great, great stuff.

156. Buzz Cagney - May 2, 2013

#153 John Barry is another genius, RB. Born Free was one of his wasn’t it?

I love Italian. lol I remember that being used as a clip on a radio show. It was funny just listening to it. Priceless, though, when you can see them too.

157. JSM - May 2, 2013

Very heartening to see all the love for Trek IV. A film that wasn’t afraid to do away with the tired villain of the week stuff and truly do something different, take the films in a different direction, and – to those susceptible to it – a thought provoking one that truly had something to say. And a truly delightful sense of humour without crossing over the line, like Trek V. All characters given their moments to shine.

Trek IV for me was the one that finally felt like 100% classic Trek to me, finally the perfect marriage between TV & film era TOS Trek, so that line at the end, “my friends, we’ve come home” always brings a massive smile to my face. They’re back where they should be, ready to Boldly go. Classic era Trek ended for me (in terms of personal ‘canon’) perfectly with that film…

Much as I respect Abrams’ ‘reboot’, it just hasn’t got the heart of the original series/films/cast for me, or the ideas/ideals…

158. JSM - May 2, 2013

Part of me wishes classic Trek had returned to TV from the end of Trek IV with the original crew…

159. Anthony Thompson - May 2, 2013

The Telegraph gave it 3 out of 5.

160. Keachick - May 2, 2013

From TVH, I love the scene where Spock gets into the tank with the whales. While Gillian is talking to people with her back to the tank, you see Kirk’s facial expression when he sees Spock there with the whales…LOL

161. Buzz Cagney - May 2, 2013

#157/8 well said.
That would have been a good springboard for a TOS TV return I reckon. Include some new, young faces among the crew leaving the originals as mentors then it could have worked well.
Instead we got TNG. Oh well.

162. Danpaine - May 2, 2013

#160 – absolutely. And the older woman – “…maybe he’s singing to that man…”

“They’re very fond of you, but they’re not the hell your whales.”

163. RBanks - May 2, 2013


Yes, John Barry did the music for Born Free, and received the Academy Award for Best Original Score. He also got the Oscar for The Lion in Winter, Out of Africa, and Dances with Wolves.

He also scored 12 of the James Bond films. Busy man, he was.

164. RBanks - May 2, 2013

In the Voyage Home, I loved the bedside manner of Bones when he takes care of the little old lady waiting for dialysis.

Then when they’re making their hasty escape from the hospital, the little old lady is just ecstatic saying “He gave me a new kidney! The doctor gave me a new kidney!”

165. Basement Blogger - May 2, 2013

@ 137, 138

Buzz Cagney,

We’ve had some strong debates in the past but… I agree with you on The Voyage Home. It’s my favorite of all the movie Treks. And yes, I was a teenager when disco was hot and frankly I still like it. So now we agree on somethings and probably more. Anyway, , here’s your and other Trekkers reward.

1) How about a Taste of Honey? LIVE from PBS!!!!! Hold on. PBS did a disco show? Check out the plucking, funky bass. Melody, harmony and rhythm. “Get on the floor….”


2) Since this is a Star Trek site, here’s a funky version of TOS Star Trek theme by Maynard Ferguson. It’s more jazz than disco but MF turned me onto jazz.


Too bad you can’t beam over here to America. We could go to the pub and play beautiful funky disco on the digital juke. Have a couple of pints, well you could. I have to drink red wine; doctor’s recommendation. And we could dance with the ladies.

166. Gary Makin - May 2, 2013

The critic who gave it three stars doesn’t seem to like anything much.

Another good review from The Sun (UK):


167. Nony - May 2, 2013

It’s interesting how the different characters seem to have made very different impressions on various reviewers. I’m seeing some reviews that, for example, say Uhura has a major part, others that say she’s way underused. Same for Scotty. Some say it’s Kirk/Spock/McCoy’s show, others say McCoy is pushed way to the background. I’m curious to see what’s true, because my hopes are going up and then getting squished again, over and over. XD

168. Kenji - May 2, 2013


Yeah, I think that nails it. I was raised on TOS. I liked a great deal of TNG – it had a fantastic run from seasons 3-6, and a whopper of a finale that put the TNG movies to shame. DS9 was very well written and performed, though perhaps a little languid. The nadir is Voyager, which was not at all well performed or written, and took all of the worst elements of Treknobabble and…reversed the polarity through the main deflector dish, or something.

Ent was ok, or so I hear, I could only stand the first couple and was done.

Trek is Trek, but to me, Trek is the original set of characters on a ship called Enterprise, making mistakes but pulling victory from defeat (and then using victory to beat defeat around the head, as Diane Duane once said).

169. CaptainKirok - May 2, 2013

#60 makes no sense. So Star Trek has to have a moral? What is it, a fable or something? Some of the best episodes don’t have a moral. Many of them just have interesting situations and others have interesting philosophical dilemmas – without a clear correct solution.

170. Kev - May 2, 2013

What do the bad ones say, you can tell the most from those.

171. Crone - May 2, 2013

I am a major TOS fan. I’m just glad those characters are still around. I thoroughly enjoyed the 2009 film. Star Trek ,to me, will always be the holy three. The fact that Uhura has a bigger role in the new movies is just fine with me, though. TOS needed more for women to do. I can’t wait. 13 more days!

172. Paul - May 2, 2013


Someone did a really good job of putting a lot of the official pics together here from London.

173. Darren - May 2, 2013

That someone was me, please come follow my blog http://startrekblog.wordpress.com
Random stuff and news added daily, plus all the info and reviews on Star Trek Into Darkness

174. Mad Mann - May 2, 2013

So, I read all the reviews and there is very little mention of the Klingons. Bummer, I guess they are not much a factor in this movie.

That sucks.

175. RBanks - May 2, 2013


One of the reviews I read, I can’t remember which one, talked of Harrison escaping to the Klingon home world to hide after the attacks on Earth. Then there was mention of Kirk and company having to walk a fine line and engage in a bit of negotiation with the Klingons to avert a war.

There was also talk of the Klingons “bluffing”, without much explanation as to what that involved.

It sounds like the Klingons are definitely a factor in this movie, but to what extent, we don’t yet know. Like you, I’d like to see the Klingons play a significant role.

176. RBanks - May 2, 2013


The review I read was one of two new ones that just got posted over at Rotten Tomatoes about 20 minutes ago.

Just an FYI-Their overall score as of now is 13 good reviews, and 1 bad.

177. Connor - May 2, 2013

@4. Good Reviews but is it STAR TREK? = “So far, I read positive things such as “fast paced, no expository lagging in the middle..good summer film..” but how much of this film is STAR TREK? I’m having doubts…”

Prior to the unfortunate passing of Gene Roddenberry, Paramount fought with him to turn “Star Trek” into “Star Wars”. If the first movie is any indication, Paramount may have gotten what they wanted. I am very happy that “Star Trek” is getting positive reviews; however, I am growing more and more concerned. We will have to wait and see.

178. Connor - May 2, 2013

“[Star Trek Into Darkness is] a stop-gap tale that’s modest, fun and briefly amusing rather than one that breaks new ground or offers hugely memorable set pieces.”

That is a major concern.

179. Theatre Historian - May 3, 2013

Uh oh Beaks over at Aintitcool, has released a spoiler filled negative review :(

180. Jim Nightshade - May 3, 2013

rbanks i just got the soundtrack to the black hole from john barry…it was the first digital soundtrack n only a year or two ago was finally released in a digital cd format…great soundtrack…..also luved his urban jazz sounding soundtrack to howard the duck….

181. Buzz Cagney - May 3, 2013

#165 lol I enjoyed that post, BB. Cheers!

182. Theatre Historian - May 3, 2013

My all time favorite movie to this day, and John Barry’s score is Beautiful.
I was so happy when Intrada released that special edition soundtrack last year.

183. Keith in Brighton UK - May 3, 2013

I was at the London premiere last night. There’s no Bizet or Berlioz that’s for sure but it’s a fantastic action romp with surprises and many nods to the past for the us. I’ll be watching this quite a few times over the next few weeks that’s for sure. The special effects were superb, a stark contrast to the awful cgi in Nemesis. The 3d is done well too. Looking forward to seeing it in an IMAX next week.

On a side note, I had to pay a fortune for my tickets on the second-market, its never been so hard to get a trek premiere ticket, and what infuriated me was that there were easily 100 if not more empty seats, presumably Z-list celebs who couldn’t be bothered to pass their tickets on to either a re-seller or give them away. There were hundreds of people outside who deserved to be inside.

184. Gary 8.5 - May 7, 2013

Any spoiler free positive reviews at aint it cool?
I will take spoiler free reviews at other sites as well.
Either positive or balanced reviews , just nothing that flat out attacks the film.

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