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Doug Drexler Bringing His USS Enterprise To Star Trek Continues – Exclusive First Look May 14, 2013

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Fan Productions , trackback

Later this month the new fan series Star Trek Continues will debut its premiere episode at Phoenix Comicon, and today TrekMovie has exclusively learned that Emmy-winning visual effects artist (and Star Trek vet) Doug Drexler is providing all the shots of the USS Enterprise for the show. More details below, plus the first look at Doug’s Enterprise for Star Trek Continues.

 

Doug Drexler’s Enterprise To Fly In Star Trek Continues

Star Trek Continues is a new fan series which aims to continue the mission of the original Star Trek series as if it had a fourth season (and beyond). As TrekMovie reported in April, the new show starring (and produced by) Vic Mignogna will launch its inaugural episode, “Pilgrim of Eternity” at Phoenix Comicon on May 24th, 2013 (6PM), followed by a release online.

And today TrekMovie multiple award-winning visual effects veteran Doug Drexler will be providing the effects shots featuring the USS Enterprise. As a makeup artist, scenic artist, graphic designer, illustrator, and visual effects artist, designing for such shows as  Star Trek: The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager, Enterprise, and four Star Trek feature films, Drexler knows his Star Trek, including designing the last TV ship, the NX-01 for Star Trek: Enterprise. And he has a brand new digital model of the Enterprise which is debuting with Star Trek Continues. Drexler and Mignogna have shared with TrekMovie the first look at the ship (below) in a couple of shots made to replicate original series publicity images.


Publicity shot of Doug Drexler’s Starship Enterprise for "Star Trek Continues" fan series (click to enlarge)

Drexler also happens to have a cameo appearance in the premiere episode of Star Trek Continues, and in fact that was originally going to be the extent of his involvement with the show. Since Enterprise Doug has remained very busy including work on Battlestar Galactica and the new Syfy series Defiance, so to date he hasn’t had much time for other projects, especially fan projects. However, according to Drexler, there was something different about Star Trek Continues. The artist and life-long Star Trek fan tells TrekMovie.

Truth be told, I haven’t seen anything since the original series that felt as much like TOS as this does. Vic makes an awesome Captain Kirk, and manages to evoke Shatner without feeling slavish. If you squint just a little, there are times you would swear it was Shatner. 

But even that wasn’t enough alone to convince Drexler to join the series. What put him over the top was the inclusion of actor Michael Forest, reprising his role as Apollo. Drexler tells TrekMovie that after he viewed a scene on the bridge he was "hooked like a big-mouthed bass….I knew I had to do this show.


The return of Michael Forest helped push Drexler into joining "Star Trek Continues"

However, Drexler did have some conditions. Doug was determined to have the effects work match that which could be done in 1970. That mean "no motion control-style shots, no wild maneuvers, no enhancing the ship with surface detail (aztec’ing) that was never there, no raking light, lots of fill, grain, and etc." So Drexler has done his digital work as if it were being done on stage half a century ago, down to duplicating the lenses and lighting setups of the era. Drexler even made his CG model of the Enterprise 11.5 feet long. The artist explains "Everybody builds their ship at 947′. At that gigantor size it’s never going to behave like it did when we first fell in love with it. The difference in the lens distortion alone makes it a non-starter."


Drexler went to great lengths to make sure his digital model and shots fit with a notional 4th season for the show airing in 1969/1970 (click to enlarge)

While Drexler is providing all the shots of the Enterprise, a number of other digital artists are also involved in Star Trek Continues, providing the remainder of visual effects, including Gabriel Koerner (from Trekkies and artist for Star Trek Enterprise) and Matt Boardman (who has worked with Drexler on Battlestar and Defiance). 

Star Trek Continues Debuts at PHXCC

Many of Star Trek Continues cast and crew will be attending Phoenix Comicon 2013 on May 24th, including Michael Forest and Doug Drexler.
An autograph session will be held after the premiere screening and panel.

Following the screening the debut episode “Pilgrim of Eternity” will be made available online. For more details on the show visit startrekcontinues.com.

Comments

1. Factchecker - May 14, 2013

I miss that ship.

2. Kevin G - May 14, 2013

Good. I’m happy Doug is still out there doing stuff. I, like many, feared the worst when he took his blog down.

3. Ciarán - May 14, 2013

I miss the Enterprise-D. That’s my favourite Enterprise, and is always the first ship I think of when I hear the words “U.S.S. Enterprise”.

4. Hat Rick - May 14, 2013

I can’t believe Doug Drexler has deleted his DrexFiles website! :-(

5. King Zooropa - May 14, 2013

How does this affect James Cawley and the Phase II gang? Are they ever going to release any more episodes?

6. Angry Future Romulan - May 14, 2013

Why did he delete his blog?

7. Ensign RedShirt - May 14, 2013

That looks BADASS. Awesome work, Mr. Drexler. Can’t wait to see it!

8. DiscoSpock - May 14, 2013

Why the “smudge effects” on the Enterprise’s surface? It looks like graphite shavings have been rubbed into the ship? TOS Enterprise was that is was much brighter than this. This looks dark and worn down. Weird?

#3 — In my opinion, the Enterprise D was the ugliest starship in Trek history. That is the last ship I want to think of when I hear the words “U.S.S. Enterprise”.

9. JohnRambo - May 14, 2013

@8

“In my opinion, the Enterprise D was the ugliest starship in Trek history. That is the last ship I want to think of when I hear the words “U.S.S. Enterprise”.”

AMEN!

10. Benecardo Cumbelban - May 14, 2013

autograph session? why? Is someone famous going to be there? Shatner crashing the premiere?

11. Bobby - May 14, 2013

6 – I was curious myself so I googled around. DrexFiles was one of my favorite sites. :(

http://www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/1c603d/

Apparently he posted this to facebook about it:

“You know how I brand all the images I post with Drex Files. Several of my VFX colleagues took exception to that. They felt I was claiming credit for it all by doing that. I received a couple of angry notes that were upsetting. I felt the best thing was to off-line it for now. My intention was never to steal credit, in fact I felt like I was promoting everyone’s work. Drex Files regulars know that I note credits for work whenever I have the info, and if I don’t, I appeal to the audience to speak up if they know something about it.

So for now, the Drex Files is dark, at least until I have a chance to think about it and review it.”

12. Wannabe Writer - May 14, 2013

@8
Yes…the D was horrible. The original and the A had tactical elements to her design. They felt right. Nothing looks better than the A.

I hope Crawley and team continue. They helped save trek. There are a lot o fan elements these days because of them.

13. Khan Opener - May 14, 2013

Funny how he claims he doesn’t want the shop zooming around, when it was Drexler (under the name Max Rem) who initially did that for the New Voyages episode “In Harm’s Way” nearly ten years ago….

14. Sean4000 - May 14, 2013

Now thats taking the FX loyalty a LITTLE too far……even for ME. LOL.

Nah, go for it Doug. You’re talented and a good guy.

I’d take this E over that “other” thing passing off as the great Connie 1701!

15. Dave Carr - May 14, 2013

Does that mean the show will be produced in 4:3 as in keeping in line with television back then?

16. Kapten Kerk - May 14, 2013

WOW! That is what I call The Enterprise! The TOS E and the TMP E Refit are my favorite starships, period.

I like what I’m seeing so far and I wish Star Trek Continues is very successful. I hope that Star Trek: New Voyages/Phase II also continues. Especially now with the new (Phase II) Enterprise they also have!

Drex Files was a great site for Star Trek fans and it must return. Well at least there will be a new Ships of the Line calendar for 2014.

17. sisko - May 14, 2013

Actually the ugliest (and most insulting) Enterprise was the B.

The Enterprise-JJ ain’t so hot either (and yet, the first movie, at least, was awesome).

The Connie/Connie-Refit was(are? were? is?) the best.

18. THX-1138 - May 14, 2013

#13

Sounds like you got a beef. I’m not Doug Drexler but maybe a reason he wants to change the style of “camera” work is because he didn’t like what he did on Cawley’s project. Why should he keep doing the same thing without improving on what he did in the past? You wouldn’t happen to be associated with New Voyages/Phase II would you? I know there is a lot of bad blood between the productions but you can’t live in the past. Star Trek Continues looks like it’s going to be fun. And when we get some more from The James Gang I’m sure it will be fun as well.

19. David J - May 14, 2013

I like the idea of keeping the CG model to the same size as the 11 footer, but I’d also try to keep it the same *light grayish-green color* as well.

This to my eyes just looks far too dark and gray.

20. THX-1138 - May 14, 2013

And I happen to like the D as well. I’d be glad to debate it’s merits with anyone here.

21. vva - May 14, 2013

No offense to these guys as I’m sure their heart is in the right place, but they should take that money/talent and make something original. Without Gene Roddenberry creating something fresh we would’ve never gotten Star Trek in the first place.

22. Captain Dunsel - May 14, 2013

Closing in on 50 years, and she is still incredibly gorgeous! A deeply felt thanks to the late Matt Jeffries for designing her, and to Doug Drexler and ALL the talented artists down through the years who have kept her alive and glowing.

(Admiral Morrow, you were SO wrong!)

23. Steve Johnson - May 14, 2013

Yeah, early New Voyages had some really wonky ship animation in terms of the ship acting more like a jet or a cartoon character. There’s a shot in “In Harm’s Way” That literally has the ship revving up before going forward. It’s hilarious.

It was such a stand out goofy style that some of the TOS-R people even made subtle reference to it by saying “We aren’t going to make the Enterprise do barrel rolls.”

I don’t blame Doug if he didn’t enjoy animating ships in that style.

I have mixed feelings about Star Trek Continues. Some things are really stand out, and great replications, others seem a little off… But, as McCoy said “Nobody’s perfect.”

24. Hat Rick - May 14, 2013

Some day, when we are but a memory, there will be real starships, real star explorers, and real star fleets.

But in all the future — in the vast expanse of time as yet untold — there has been and yet will be only one Starship Enterprise — a fine ship with a fine crew — doing what only heroes can do, and what the rest of us can only hope to do.

If ever a starship had soul, it was our good ship Enterprise.

As it was, my friends, it ever shall be, in the hearts of us all, and for posterity.

25. Trekbilly - May 14, 2013

Now that’s a PERFECT CGI Enterprise!!! Why couldn’t we have seen that quality of work on TOS-R?

Awesome work, Doug Drexler!!!

26. James Cawley - May 14, 2013

It was Mr. Drexler who insisted that the ships could move like fighter jets, and he was given a free hand to animate all his shots for “In Harm’s Way”.

27. Scott Gammans - May 14, 2013

She’s a beautiful lady and we all love her. :)

28. James Cawley - May 14, 2013

He did a great job for us then and we wish him well.

29. Robert Bernardo - May 14, 2013

I’ll be there at Phoenix ComicCon!

30. Scott Gammans - May 14, 2013

^^^ You’re a class act, James. (Now get back to work on the next Phase II episode!)

31. Trekbilly - May 14, 2013

#8 — the original shooting mode of the NCC-1701 had weathering on it. Doug did NOT overdo the weathering on the GCI model. Overdone is what they did to the restoration of the original shooting model that is on display at the Air and Space Museum in DC.

This isn’t. This is just right.

32. Spock's Bangs - May 14, 2013

20 -And I happen to like the D as well. I’d be glad to debate it’s merits with anyone here.

Sorry, i absoluetely love Probert’s contributions to the motion picture, but the D was an aesthetic mess, with its crazy angled sides and stubby nacelles paired with that ridiculously oversized saucer. The oblong windows looked like patches …granted, due to the horrible lighting. The ship managed to NOT look awkward in maybe 3 different angles, angles that werent used NEAR enough. sorry, but the D stands for duckling…as in UGLY!! And sadly, the E was no swan!

33. Will - May 14, 2013

And if you squint and plug your ears with your fingers, his voice doesn’t sound as overly high pitched, further selling the effect that he’s Kirk.

But that Enterprise is awesome, good on you for making it more model work and less “reality”- that’s gonna really help the sell.

34. Trekbilly - May 14, 2013

#16 — MUCH agreed!! I didn’t hate the D though. I didn’t care for anything that came after. I believe Federation ships should be MOSTLY smooth skinned. When they started adding in all that detail and took away the connecting dorsal that’s when I started to dislike the starship designs.

Having said that, I DESPISE the Excelsior class ship….even thought it has a kind of connecting dorsal. The Excelsior class ships make the Galaxy class look like fine art by comparison!!

35. JJ's Secret - May 14, 2013

I love all the fan films… I wish they all would focus on finishing a project before they move onto the next one… they all show so much promise… but we never see very much!!…

James Cawley, if you are still reading… please know that I think your show is fantastic@!.. and I just want you to finish an episode before you move on.

36. spockboy - May 14, 2013

It’s exceptionally well done. Drexler is the man.
Unfortunately, the protrusion from the sensor dish is silver, not bronze.

I know, what a geek I am!

37. Navy - May 14, 2013

Why did JJ have to mess with such a perfect design?! Matt Jefferies knew what he was doing.

38. spockboy - May 14, 2013

Whoops, took a second look.
Let me correct.

What an “idiot” I am.

:)

39. Dr. Image - May 14, 2013

Drex: EXCELLENT work. But- “fan blade” pattern should NOT come all the way to the center of the nacelle caps (OMG!! Not again;) And- what about the “reddish ring” on the secondary hull? (Oh yes. I’m an old-timer…)
AND- you guys at Continues: NARROW DOWN those damn blue frames- like in the Apollo shot- those are so wrong! Otherwise… great work!
PS- The E color is DEAD ON. Thing of beauty… shame about the Smithsonian job. (Ed, WHAT were you thinking???)

40. Colin - May 14, 2013

I love this design. I have loved it since I first saw it as a child. To me, there is something positive, ascendant, and futuristic about this ship.

41. Patty W - May 14, 2013

#5, 12, 16…why would this affect Phase II? Except, maybe, people won’t be as desperate waiting for our releases because they have other Star Trek to enjoy in the meantime. The more TOS the better for everyone! And it’s good to hear that Drex is doing VFX for a fanfilm again – nothing can take you out of one faster than crappy effects. Congrats!

Phase II is scheduled to release two episodes this year. One of them shot on a RED ONE camera in Cinema 4K. We can show it in an IMAX theatre!

35…because of James’ insistence on quality and not letting continuity errors or crap sneaking in, we always have to “move on” and have another film shoot to pick up shots in order to finish older episodes. So you get both by us “moving on”. A new episode almost finished and an old episode completed.

42. THX-1138 - May 14, 2013

#32 Spock’s Bangs

I consider the nacelles to be the right size when you consider that the D was built 80 years after the original Connies. The warp nacelles are actually about the same size as an entire Constitution class starship. They wouldn’t necessarily have to grow in proportion to the size of the primary and secondary hull since they are not “engines” per se but nacelles that generate the warp field that envelopes the ship. As for the size of the saucer section the concept for the D was that whole family units would be traveling through space exploring with the family member who was a part of Starfleet. The saucer section was where the crew and their families quarters and facilities would be, so naturally they would need more space. So there was a logical reason behind the design. I will offer my own critique of the windows in that there is no way that they are in scale with what we saw of the interiors. But aesthetically I think the windows were there to break up the smooth surface and to help define the radical design shape.

Now I understand that everyone has differing tastes. I just want to defend a ship I personally find awesome.

43. Trekbilly@gmail.com - May 14, 2013

#37 — Agreed on the nacelle caps! Good catch! The ol’ Brach’s peppermint candy phenom strikes again! LOL!

But other than that, I think it’s a fantastic and very model-like rendering!

44. Ted C - May 14, 2013

I wonder if these will be as poorly acted as those from that other gang. .

45. KobyashyMaru - May 14, 2013

Looks Awesome – but whats with the lil’ grey nubbin on the bottom of the saucer sensor dome? Is it supposed to be the all in one weapons turret?

46. Stargazer54 - May 14, 2013

Nit picking aside, Drex’s look is pretty much dead on for a working starship (realized in CGI). The studio model had a lot of imperfections that were forgiven by the film grain and the small screen. CGI is a more exacting science.

The smudges are ‘slightly’ over the top but who knows what carbon infused nebula she just flew through on her latest science mission. They don’t call it the Coal Sack for nothing.

Cudos Drex. Look forward to seeing her in action!

47. Al Jalaikakik - May 14, 2013

I don’t see a contradiction between what Drex achieved for Phase II, and this approach. Both are different cinematic directions. As someone who has been interested in effects and cinematography since TOS was first in reruns(and a budding CGI artist as I’ve re-entered the field after a 15+ year hiiatus), I can appreciate the approach he’s using in Continues. Of course modelling the physical model, instead of the ship is going to look different. I wish I had thought of it earlier.

I look forward to seeing the final product.

48. JC England - May 14, 2013

Beautiful work, DD.

49. Mad Mann - May 14, 2013

Dang I love that ship. She’s a thing of beauty, all right.

50. Eric Holloway - May 14, 2013

#24 Well said. It is a beautiful computer rendering of the Enterprise and it is nice to see his work has evolved since In Harms Way but I am waiting for that person or group that really goes “retro” and uses actual models. At least for one episode. For me that would be so cool. You just feel the depth of the ship when model is used. The power.

51. Al Jalaikakik - May 14, 2013

I do wonder about the protrusion on the ventral sensor dome, btw. Seems consistent with how the photon torpedo shots were portrayed in some episodes (as well as the phasers) but later episodes established the torpedos as coming from a section below the bridge, and of course the phaser turrets are well established (though not on the models) in many sources.

52. Greg2600 - May 14, 2013

Wow, this ST Continues series really captures the look and sound of the original show. Great job by Chris Doohan, but hold on a minute, Larry Nemecek as McCoy? Huh?

53. Tombot3000 - May 14, 2013

I hated the D at first- but it grew on me. I still think the original, especially the refit are awesome. The thing with the other types of starships is that for variation’s sake seems to be the rationale behind their asthetics. JJ’s looks ok from certain angles, less balanced in others. The Reliant was a brilliant variation in that it’s asthetic seemed rational- a budget starship, a match for Enterprise only by surprise attack. Honestly, if I had to choose which ship to serve on D or Original, I’d actually lean towards the D. You don’t live on the outside part. ;-)

54. THX-1138 - May 14, 2013

Here are some excellent reference pix of the TOS E after it’s regrettable refurbish. Would people like to have the phillips screw heads rendered as well for accuracy? BTW the top of the saucer is in original condition with original paint and detail. Hope the link works:

http://www.mjtsc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/new/1701.htm

55. THX-1138 - May 14, 2013

As for the “protrusion” on the lower dome I have seen it depicted before (can’t remember where) as being an actual part of the model but was perhaps discarded or not used in filming. This isn’t the first time I have seen it though.

56. Kennith - May 14, 2013

As usual, Doug did a great job but I rarely like fan films.

57. porthoses bitch - May 14, 2013

One of my top five Trek memories is in ’84 and seeing the big E at the Smithsonian. That’s MY Enterprise. Seeing it on the day I touched a peice of moon rock, laid a hand on Columbia (apollo XI cm) and gazed at the big Robert McCall mural and dreamed of where we’d been and where we were going. Good stuff.

58. Jonboc - May 14, 2013

Yeah, that small protrusion was a phaser cannon, and was actually included in the Master Replicas Enterprise as a part you could add to the lower saucer, if you wanted to. But it was researched and definitely was part of the original model at some point. Nice to see it included here, I’ve always liked it.

59. Kev - May 14, 2013

Yeah Michale Forest and Drexler are friends by the way, saw it on his wordpress.

Wonder if there going to show the ship from the right side this time, as that part of the model is unpainted, as that was the business side of the old ship.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cdevers/5775715174/

where all the wires and mounts were attached

gotta admit though there is part of me that wants to see Madkoifishes USS Enterprise Become a reality though, be it in fan, tv or the movie series

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1y1N3ZQDNc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imAfoYdXMA0

Rather than the Federations Most advanced apple warship.

Good to see Drexler paying attention to the key details like scale though as to make sure its just like the old girl. wonder if his friend who built the huge real life model Steve Neil is going to get on this too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz2W9yzcfIc

and I’m very glad to see that there’s a bunch of people who want to keep the memory of the old one and old trek alive, while the new apple enterprise brings new fans in

as honestly I hate the new enterprise

Namely because could have taken the opportunity to make the old TMP enterprise look as advanced as the excelsior on the engineering section and a few other small details, thus perfecting the design as it has dated a little but eh

but hey atleast it brings more fans in, but its too ungainly, they didnt even try a grey like on the old ship like a light grey to make it more militaristic looking, while making it look more advanced that the TOS ship and it has too much blue glow for my taste.

I’ve just seen way better and I know given a shot I could do better, and once that happens eh your done and your mind is closed to the new design.

60. K-7 - May 14, 2013

Why is Drexler’s TOS Enterprise so darn dark?

I much prefer the brighter version E in TOS-remastered. This is how the classic Enterprise should look. It should not look like someone forgot to turn the background lights on.

TOS never had a dark and dingy E.

61. porthoses bitch - May 14, 2013

I always loved the original and motion picture refits . They had a “earth gravity based” sense of balance about them. The D and the Jjprise don’t have that. I realize its not ness. in space just a personal thing.

62. denny cranium - May 14, 2013

We at Phase II are 25 days away from shooting our next episode.
All of us at Phase II are looking forward to working together again.
Mr. Drexlers Enterprise is beautiful. Well done!

63. Cygnus-X1 - May 14, 2013

Sorry to go off-topic, but there’s a nice little clip at buisinessinsider.com with Neil deGrasse Tyson talking about Trek, Kirk vs. Picard, and Trek vs. Star Wars.

http://www.businessinsider.com/neil-degrasse-tyson-star-trek-2013-5

64. Trekbilly - May 14, 2013

#57 — I think you’re confusing lighting with the model color. In many of the new shots made for TOS third season, the model did look dark due to the studio lighting.

The only time the E from TOS looks white or bright — it’s because of bright studio lighting!!

65. K-7 - May 14, 2013

@61. I would not to presume to know the details of color versus lighting, etc. etc.

What I do know is how the visual presentation of the E looks in TOS when I watch it. And that visual presentation of the E is much brighter typically then the Drexler E being shown here.

The point here I thought was to make this look like we are watching the E like it was the actual 4th season of TOS in 69-70, right? Well, this E doesn’t provide that likeness for me. I’ll let others debate if this is because of color, lighting or whatever, but my eyes don’t lie here — this E is way too dark. It is a reinvention of the visual look of the E based on how Drexler would like it to look, not a replica of the original E from TOS.

66. Michael Hall - May 14, 2013

Wow. Just spectacular recreations of the two iconic Enterprise studio shots from The Making of Star Trek. Up till now I’ve always considered Dennis Bailey’s CG work on “The Tressaurian Intersection” as coming closest to the original look of TOS, but it looks like Mr. Drexler may be about to give him a run for his money.

As others have pointed out, Mr. Drexler’s philosophy regarding how the ship should move and look has changed considerably since his work on New Voyages’ “In Harm’s Way.” FWIW, I concur. If your mission statement is to produce the two final years of the five year mission as if they had been filmed in 1970-71, the visual esthetic and style of the effects should reflect that. Of course, in reality the show would most likely have continued the practice of reusing stock footage whenever possible, with new shots created on a need-only basis, so fan productions intent on recreating the look of TOS should probably reflect that aspect as well. TOS was always a fairly low-budget affair, but fortunately the show’s greatness was never about its visual effects.

@57, there was never any standard established in TOS for how the Enterprise “should look.” Not only was footage from the very different versions of the ship from the two pilots spliced into each and every episode, but varying lighting and film stocks made the ship look blue, white and green over the three years of the series’ run. I would agree that these renderings are a little on the dark side, but they’re far truer to the look of TOS than those of Trek Remastered, which featured a ship greyer and more metallic-shiny than it ever looked on television.

67. CmdrR - May 14, 2013

One shot has the 3 forward anti-collision lights; the other doesn’t.

Otherwise, I like that old gal just fine.

68. CmdrR - May 14, 2013

Maybe it’s just the angle.

69. Dave H - May 14, 2013

#63 “there was never any standard established in TOS for how the Enterprise “should look.” ”

Hmm? I disagree with you completely on this. It seems rather obvious that the intro to Star Trek, present on all 79 episodes, sets the defacto standard for us on how the Enterprise should look. And that look is a light blue, reasonably bright look.

And I agree with K-7 that this Drexler Enterprise departs significantly from that look. His colors/simulated lighting look more like a military grey. He is going for somewhat of a ST-TMP look. That’s fine, but if the goal is suppose to be matching TOS look, then he’s departing significantly from that, and he should be up front about it.

TOS-remastered isn’t that great of a match either through. I agree with you there.

70. DiscoSpock - May 14, 2013

Is it just me, or if you look really close, is their and ever slight camouflage-like effect going on for the simulated paint/tile pattern? Look close at the secondary hull and you can see how the color patterns deviate.

I think that Drexler may have gone too cute for his own good by varying the simulated paint scheme like this? It looks like the Enterprise was painted with two different types of airbrushes.

And I agree with others comments — its way too dark.

71. Dennis C - May 14, 2013

I was never a fan of the D. My two favorites are still the original and the refit.

As for the NX-01, I thought it was a bit uninspired. Not a fan.

72. Khalifa - May 14, 2013

That’s the NCC-1701

73. Red Dead Ryan - May 14, 2013

I agree that Drexler’s TOS Enterprise is too dark. It should be more whitish-grey instead of just grey.

74. Michael Hall - May 14, 2013

@67–

LOL. I guess we could argue about this all day–shots of the ship produced after the intro you cite don’t look much the same at all (compare them to a still from, say, “The Tholian Web”), as that was put together using mostly stock footage from the pilot version–but one thing’s for sure: the TMP refit is definitely not a “military gray,” but rather a pearlescent off-white. Just ask Doug Trumbull, who went through hell pulling decent mattes off that model, and just for that reason.

75. THX-1138 - May 15, 2013

Did anyone click my link on post #54? That’s probably the best look I have ever had of the E.

As for what color and how light or dark the ship appears I think Drexler did a great job. And for those who think it must absolutely appear as it did in the series there were 3 different versions: The Cage version, The 2nd pilot version, and the final version as was filmed for the regular 3 season run. Which would you suggest? And should you be able to see the stars through the nacelles occasionally due to composite degrading in the film? Accurate is one thing. Bad is another.

76. Gary - May 15, 2013

N-C-C-1-7-0-1. No bloody A – B – C – or D!

77. TOS Lives! - May 15, 2013

@27 – Scott, you’re quite the CG artist, too. Love your Enterprise model!

78. Buzz Cagney - May 15, 2013

#20 no debate needed, the D was fugly!

79. Admiral Archer's Prize Beagle - May 15, 2013

Looks accurate, but the color/lighting is way too dark as compared to the Enterprise in The Original Series.

80. K-7 - May 15, 2013

@75 “And for those who think it must absolutely appear as it did in the series there were 3 different versions: The Cage version, The 2nd pilot version, and the final version as was filmed for the regular 3 season run. Which would you suggest?”

Well, I certainly think their is a STANDARD look for the Enterprise, as was suggested above by Dave H:

” It seems rather obvious that the intro to Star Trek, present on all 79 episodes, sets the defacto standard for us on how the Enterprise should look. And that look is a light blue, reasonably bright look.”

Yea, this makes sense as the standard, as it the only consistent look for the Enterprise shown in all 79 episodes.

So, the title sequence Enterprise is the obvious choice for what Drexler should be basing his Enterprise on. Light Blue — medium-high brightness.

81. Chasco - May 15, 2013

Now THAT is a beautiful starship. Wish they’d refitted the Uglyprise to look like this one.

82. Star Trek: Nemesis blows, is the point - May 15, 2013

@17. “Actually the ugliest (and most insulting) Enterprise was the B.”

What’s ugly about the Excelsior class, and what’s insulting about the Enterprise-B being an Excelsior class? Considering the Excelsior class was still a relatively new class of vessel at the time the B was commissioned, it’s a fairly logical design to receive the Enterprise name.

83. Jim Nightshade - May 15, 2013

hey the excelsior was capn sulus ship so give him a break…..and of course the ship was named after stan lees favorite exclamation, now i want to see a ship named ‘with great power comes great resposibility’ haha

i was 11 when tos trek started what was most magical bout the enterprise to me was the saucer section….i was into ufos big time reading books like flying saucers serious business by frank edwards….i thought now thats a cool space ship…..no rockets ha

84. Star Trek: Nemesis blows, is the point - May 15, 2013

The Excelsior class is one of my favorites. I love the bridge of the Excelsior and all that we see of it in Star Trek VI.

85. Kapten Kerk - May 15, 2013

If I had to make a scale I would put both the TOS Enterprise and the TMP Enterprise-Refit on one end as the most beautiful and both the Enterprise D and the Enterprise NX on the other side as the ugliest. IMHO the Enterprises B, C and JJ fall somewhere between.

86. Kapten Kerk - May 15, 2013

…”B, C, JJ” and E…

87. star trackie - May 15, 2013

Best ship ever. The D was a distorted mess and the E had a sleek profile but way too much crap all over the hull’s surface. It looked more like the detailing of a Klingon ship that a Federation vessel. Smooth is the signature look of starfleet, people seem to forget that and clutter things up to the point that it looks like every other cluttered up space ship that has come down the pike since Star Wars.

And the color of the original Enterprise, (in the original versions, not the remastered) was all over the place. It was blue. It was white. It was gray. Drexler’s version looks just fine. My only criticism is some of the detailing looks too “airbrushed” , for lack of a better word, if you zoom in too close. Best to keep the computer model at a safe distance when it’s in action. And the engine caps are a little too frosted. Needs more vibrancy in the colors. Not to say that they wont be, its not quite fair to judge it until I see it moving and in action.

88. Gary - May 15, 2013

“You treat her like a lady. And she’ll always bring you home.”

89. falcon - May 15, 2013

Let’s take a step back from all the comments about the “look” of the model. Compare this one with, say, the paint scheme on American Airlines passenger jets. For weight purposes, they decided to ditch the full-body paint scheme and only paint the livery, meaning the outer hull of the aircraft is bare silver. In certain light, it will look very bright, and in other light it looks dark.

Compare to the hull of the Enterprise. Unpainted metal, in dark space, lit only by a distant star (or, if you prefer, 5K studio lights). Some parts will look brightly lit, others dark. Plus, consider the ship has been in space for X number of years, and sometimes (at extremely slow speeds, say orbiting at 17,000 MPH) little bits of debris will scar the hull, giving it a flatter appearance rather than shiny. So that will darken it as well.

Frankly, I’ve always been a big fan of Doug’s work, especially the redesign he did for the NX-01 (giving it a secondary hull – a kind of retro/future look, if you will), and I think this rendition of the Big E is spot on. His comments about lenses and the length of the model are enlightening, especially if you’re trying to duplicate the look of a conjectural 4th season airing in 1970. The studio wouldn’t have changed that much, still using Arri or Mitchell cameras and Baltar lenses, so it makes sense to match your modeling “world” to the real one in use at the time. It certainly can stretch one’s CG modeling skills!

If only the ship existed in some way other than pixels…..

90. jimgrant1701 - May 15, 2013

What program was it created in? Will the files be shared in the public domain?

91. rogue_alice - May 15, 2013

LOVE HER.

92. Dennis Bailey - May 15, 2013

#66 – Thanks for the kind words about “Starship Exeter.”

A lot of the “TOS look” of the ship model in that episode was due to Jimm Johnson’s post-processing to recreate various artifacts of the kind of compositing that the ship footage underwent on the original series. We even wound up with matte lines! LOL

93. cpelc - May 15, 2013

Not as good as these renderings – stunning.

http://www.thetrekcollective.com/2013/05/pierre-drolets-amazing-starship.html

Also new look at toys of the USS Vengeance and BOP
http://www.thetrekcollective.com/2013/05/first-look-at-hot-wheels-uss-vengeance.html

94. Danpaine - May 15, 2013

I too, miss that ship. Love it.

#93 – damn, that is one fugly Bird-Of -Prey. Thanks for sharing, tho.

95. Damian - May 15, 2013

A lot of people are reading a lot into Drexler’s comment’s about how the Enterprise should look in this new series, comparing it to his work on prior series.

I think it’s much simpler than what people are making it out to be. The creators of the show want to “continue” it as though it were the 4th season in 1969-1970. Drexlers philosophy fits into that mold. I don’t think there’s any ulterior motive beyond that they want the viewer to see this as the next season we never saw.

The other fan productions out there had different priorities.

96. EM - May 15, 2013

She’s a beauty, alright!

97. Spock's Bangs - May 15, 2013

42,THX, your logic on the D’s design is sound, and I realize that, with no gravity in space, being “top heavy” doesn’t matter. Like you said, it’s basically an aesthetics thing with me, which is purely subjective. As they say, to each his own. :)

98. John Harrison Singh - May 15, 2013

Does the curvature of the underside of the primary hull look a but pronounced?

99. Dennis C - May 15, 2013

Dare I say, the Vengeance is much closer to what I was hoping to see of the Enterprise in 2009. Love that ship.

100. sisko - May 15, 2013

#82, I say the Excelsior-class is insulting because of the way the Enterprise was treated by most people in Starfleet when compared to the NX-2000 (rewatch Star Trek III for where my dislike of the Excelsior class stems from, doesn’t help that IMO she’s just plum ugly).

Connie and Connie-Refit Forever!

101. Obsidian - May 15, 2013

I thought it was assumed that the E could do more sophisticated and tighter maneuvering than was shown on screen. I always did anyway. Even as a young kid, I understood that they were limited in what they could put on screen.

I liked the Excelsior class because, as an ocean-going-vessel fan, it was very naval. I would admit however, that the nacelles might be a bit too long… But the Enterprise B was magnificent.

My favorite Enterprise, tho, will always be the Refit from the first 6 movies.

102. Kapten Kerk - May 15, 2013

@93
I don’t like to write negative things but the new Klingon Bird-of-prey is one FUGLY ship. Maybe it’s should be called Firefly-of-prey.

103. THX-1138 - May 15, 2013

#78 Buzz Cagney

Support your argument. (I say this with a smile, no offense.)

#80 K-7

The E in the opening credits was the model used in The Cage I believe. The true paint job is green with a slight automotive grey that looks more grey in the flyby’s. Actually in the flyby’s it’s pretty close to what Drex has done.

#97 Spock’s Bangs

I can understand having a different taste. Having seen the model of the D in person I found it even more gorgeous. It really is a fantastically built and detailed model. I tip my cap to you in respect.

About the Excelsior:

I think I read somewhere that when TSFS was being made TPTB were suggesting to the model makers that they wanted a Federation ship that was easily identifiable and yet unattractive so that the audience would see it as being the “bad” guy of the the good guys. Anyone else recall this?

BTW, an article where we talk about starships and models is awesome.

104. Chris Pike - May 15, 2013

Yes…the present team seem intent on uglyfying such wonderful designs. A magnificent rendering by DD and what a fabulous ship she has been and always shall be, my favourite. Matt Jefferies absolute genius without question ( http://mattjefferies.com )

The bottom sensor dome on the saucer did indeed have a phaser mini dome and turret. I think that’s how the optical dept came to have the phasers appear from “somewhere” at the base of the saucer – the info to them got lost in translation somewhere along the line and it was never quite correctly shown, but I’m sure that was the intention – very logical as the weapon would have 360° coverage as well as some angle upwards.

The 11″ 3″” hero model was very beautifully weathered (second season I think?) but much of it was washed out by the degradation in the optical printer/chemical compositing process, as was much of the fine detail and the famous pencil grid lines. The model was one heck of an achievement for 1964, something often forgotten.

Matt insisted on the smooth hull and not have greebles etc., with the view that hardly any hazardous EVA would be needed for any repair or maintenance work as ship’s workings could mostly be accessed from within. Wouldn’t it be cool for someone to do a rendering hypothesis of how the ship may look without the outer smooth surface – maybe a Millenium Falcon look or something underneath? also showing what is behind all those “hatches” marked around the ship? then that’s what I loved about TOS in general, you were left to fill in those untold details with your own thoughts.

105. THX-1138 - May 15, 2013

And I have to agree. The new BOP is really odd. Where is the front? It looks like it’s flying backwards.

The Vengeance looks like a Fed ship sorta, but I have two problems with it:

Now I realize we are talking about pretend things here, but in theory the saucer section has a great deal to do with the efficiency of a starship’s warp field shape. So how does having a great big hole in the saucer section help things? All in all, to me the thing looks like it wishes it were a Star Destroyer. Another problem I have with it is the name. I also know that in the Prime Universe starships went by a lot of names. But mostly they were named for existing vessels or for prominent people in exploration,science, arts, or leadership. I mean with a name like Vengeance they should have just made the saucer section into a black hat and turned the deflector dish into a villainous mustache.

106. Kinoo - May 15, 2013

… no bloody A, B, C, D, or JJ

107. cpelc - May 15, 2013

@105

Mentioned before around here but believe it or not USS Vengeance is actually a historic name. Just look it up on Wikipedia

108. THX-1138 - May 15, 2013

#107 cpelc

Huh, whaddya know. Learn something new every day. I still hate the name.

109. Basement Blogger - May 15, 2013

Their Enterprise is beautiful. Boldly go.

110. Kenji - May 15, 2013

Probert’s Ent-D is cool. It looks like a spoon crossbred with a marine animal. It has the distinct elements of Federation ship design but is immensely larger and more beautiful.

A truly grotesque ship is the Ent-E, which looks like something drawn by a Grade Nine dork who is drawing phaser blasts coming out of it while saying “Pew! Pew! Pew!” quietly under his breath.

111. Michael Hall - May 15, 2013

BTW, I just wanted to add that I meant no disrespect to or second-guessing of the New Voyages/Phase 2 producers when I opined that Drexler’s current renderings are more true to James Cawley’s original mission statement of depicting the final two years of Trek’s five year mission than the work that was done for “In Harm’s Way.” I appreciate the work that the Phase 2 people have done–I certainly wouldn’t have traveled 3000 miles by bus to crew on the show otherwise–but it’s been obvious with the inclusion of the Franz Joseph designs and other such anachronisms from the beginning that Cawley has played pretty loose with the concept of depicting the show as it might have theoretically unfolded in 1970-71. Which is perfectly all right, since “World Enough and Time” doesn’t itself qualify (unless you believe a fourth year TOS episode could anticipate the ship designs and costumes of the movie era), yet remains the best thing with the name “Star Trek” on it produced in at least the last decade. But I sense that “Star Trek Continues” will be much stricter with itself in adhering to the continuity that TOS laid down, and I think this will only help distinguish this new show from the fan series which have preceded it.

112. Martin G - May 15, 2013

#95 ”

A lot of people are reading a lot into Drexler’s comment’s about how the Enterprise should look in this new series, comparing it to his work on prior series.

I think it’s much simpler than what people are making it out to be. The creators of the show want to “continue” it as though it were the 4th season in 1969-1970. Drexlers philosophy fits into that mold. I don’t think there’s any ulterior motive beyond that they want the viewer to see this as the next season we never saw.

The other fan productions out there had different priorities.”

uh…..what? “Star Trek: New Voyages/Phase II” has been “continuing the five year mission” since 2003. The shows have the exact same stated purpose in that. (Which, does, in James’ opinion mean including changes in the last two years the same way there were changes in the first three years.)

113. Windsor Bear - May 15, 2013

Looks good, except… why is there a bow light on the top front of the saucer? I know recent photos of the Big E in the Smithsonian are showing this “light”, but from what I have read, that was an access port to change the light bulb in the saucer, and sometime after the model was donated to the Smithsonian, the port cover was lost. Photo stills from TOS episodes show no light in this position.

114. Damian - May 16, 2013

112–The priority of this new series seems to be a continuation not only of the mission, but as if it were done by Paramount on NBC in 1970.

I don’t know that having the special effects look like they were from 1970 was a priority for Phase II. I haven’t seen it, but wasn’t it supposed to pick up the lost series from the mid 70’s that became TMP? And that was supposed to be a 2nd 5 year mission, not a continuation of the first (I may be mixing up my fan productions).

115. Frederick - May 16, 2013

The more the better, I say, and anyone that feels the need to bash Mr. Cawley’s loving work in favor of something new is missing the point. All of these efforts are labors of love, and there is room for artistic interpretation. Please, respect what the New Voyages crew has done.

116. Frederick - May 16, 2013

And the above was said for comments to come, not so much those made already which have been clarified.

117. g - May 16, 2013

I’d rather watch 100 fan productions than that garbage JJ Abrams has put out.

118. Kapten Kerk - May 16, 2013

I can’t say that I don’t like JJ Abrams’ nuTrek, but I enjoy TOS Trek the most.

So for me the more we see of the original “Grey Lady” (by talented artists such as Doug Drexler, Tobias Richter and many others) the better.

And the more TOS fan productions (Star Trek: New Voyages/Phase II, Star Trek Continues, Starship Exeter, Starship Farragut, etc) the better.

119. Michael Hall - May 16, 2013

“I haven’t seen it, but wasn’t it supposed to pick up the lost series from the mid 70′s that became TMP? And that was supposed to be a 2nd 5 year mission, not a continuation of the first (I may be mixing up my fan productions).”

No. Though Phase 2 is currently incorporating elements (e.g. ship designs, costumes, and props) from the proposed 2nd series–hence the name–the idea was always to depict the last two years of the first five-year mission.

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121. 3DTrekLover - May 25, 2013

Hate to point this out: but it doesn’t make a spit of difference in Lightwave if the model is 12 feet, 120 feet, or 120 miles long. The camera does not care and will look the same regardless of “scale”. Drex might be a good designer, but he’s a shitty CGI artist. Who would make effects intentionally look BAD??? I don’t hear him talking about using advanced shaders to replicate the look of plastic. And it’s terrific he’s talking about fill light, but I don’t see they used any radiosity to bounce the light around as if it were real. And the geometry that simply intersects just looks like bad CGI. This isn’t impressive nor realistic by any stretch. And, for f’sake, stop using fractal noise! It’s ugly. What a douche.

122. DateLore - May 26, 2013

Calling him a “douche” is a bit extreme. But your point is valid. I jus watched the episode and it looks bad. Not old school, 60s effects bad… But really cheap cgi bad. I see what he was trying to do and just failed. Which is a shame, considering how good the episode looked. It deserved better, which is weird. Considering Drexler is supposed to be the “master”, every time the ship appeared I was yanked out of the story. Make me wonder if he’s as good as his press. Or is it ego?

123. 1701OnMyMind - May 26, 2013

3DTrekLover, you reveal yourself too much in your comments. I would guess at some point, you feel that he “wronged” you as you perceived and now it is your duty to educate the masses. Unfortunately, you come off as sad and bitter. Hopefully, you find some help and can be happy with your own life so you stop trying to put the candles of others out to make yours burn brighter.

As for the episode, I thought it was all around great! Awesome to see Mike Forrest back in the role. He doesn’t miss a beat! Great work by everyone involved!

124. 3DTrekLover - May 26, 2013

I “reveal” myself? not sure what that means… My first job after art school was BSG & I worked on Defiance as well. and he added nothing to the show. He has pissed off many an artist I’ve known, people who refuse to work with the old Trek guys because they’re bitter and resisted change rather than embrace. Mostly because of crap articles like this: https://www.lightwave3d.com/news/article/production-pipeline-evolution/. He is about as well-liked in vfx circles as Andy Sirkis. As for “burning brighter” it’s just sad to see an old, irrelevant vfx artist like Drexler (who commonly ascribes other’s art as his own; see his defunct DrexFiles) step forward and pretend he knows something about what I do. He and his ilk do not treat the new breed of artists as artists. Mostly because we use computers.

My main skill is compositing and I see nothing in his effects that reflect what it would look like if “optically printed” or film grain or vignette or CA. It’s a smoke screen. And he like to steal work and pass it off as his own. DrexFiles was the worst.

125. 1701OnMyMind - May 26, 2013

You reveal yourself meaning I’m pretty sure I know who you really are. I’m going to guess that you probably did very little on Defiance, if anything, because I know every person who worked on the VFX for the show. I highly doubt any of them would come to a public forum like this and write the things that you wrote about one of their supervisors. They are a lot more professional than that.

As for stealing work, I’d love for you to produce examples of said “stolen work.” Images on the DrexFiles were stamped with the DrexFiles logo to give reference where the image came from, but if you bothered to read the articles or look at the caption of the images, credit was always given to the artist who originally created the model or image. If the artist was unknown, then the invitation was given for said artist to let Doug know and he would put that up.

126. deg - May 27, 2013

Watched the show last night, LOVED it, duggie! Bravo to Vic (perfect neo-Kirk) and the whole crew! I got nuttin’ but love for fellow Trekkers that go to this length to share their own love of TOS. Thank you!

@ 3DTrekLover: Worked on “Defiance,” huh? Interesting. OK, who are you? I don’t take kindly to some of your nasty comments about my brother here. Who goes around calling people nasty names in public? Where I come from, we have a name for peeps who behave like that in Chicago. Feel free to email me at deg@deg3d.biz.

127. deg - May 27, 2013

And DataLore; ego, huh? Here’s some press for ya: Frankly, I’ve never known another human more humble and generous than Doug. And as accomplished on top of being that humble and generous. Boggles the mind, inspires the spirit. His character is the very embodiment of Roddenberry’s Trek ideals. Peeps don’t get much better than that as I see it. All humans could take a page from his example, IMO.

128. cd - May 30, 2013

The Enterprise looks good. I like the ion pod detail. The episode is not bad. I like the cameo by the other Apollo! And Chris Doohan is doing a great job as Scotty. Michael Forrest was very good. I look forward to see more episodes.

129. Pierre Drolet - June 2, 2013

Someone brought this website to my attention. What you guys looking at is my NNC 1710 render I model when I was at Universal Studio five years ago. We were trying to get the contract for the remaster DVD of the original serie and we didn’t get it. I got the reference image to build it from Doug and that’s it. Doug didn’t build this model for a fact.
http://www.pierre-drolet-sci-fi-museum.com/starship
I don’t mind when a fans post my models on the Internet and I feel very grateful knowing people like my work. I even create all new images for people who like sci-fi on my website. But that kind of stuff is something else when ex coworker you know take credit for your work. You be the judge.

130. Pierre Drolet - June 2, 2013

Sorry clumsy finger I mean Enterprise NCC-1701.

131. 1701OnMyMind - June 2, 2013

Pierre, there’s something to be said about airing your issues in public. Just like I said to 3DTrekLover, the only person it reflects poorly on is yourself. Mature and professional people choose to have civil conversations about these things out of the public eye. I’ll be happy to have a conversation about this and another similar situation that you and another person (who I will not name, but do know about) seem to be all up in arms about. Feel free to contact me at topgunmb@msn.com and maybe we can find a positive solution and the public mud slinging can stop. Nobody ever wins in those kinds of situations.

132. Pierre Drolet - June 2, 2013

What is your real name topgunmb? Hi, my name is Pierre and this is my Enterprise NCC-1701 3D model on this website. Wow! A whole group of good people have been mislead here. Mature and professional people doesn’t published and give credit to the wrong individual. I’m glad I have your attention. And yes I will have a word with the people who own this website to make sure they will make some rectification.

133. QuestionoftheDay - June 3, 2013

Comment 132. Is that your ship in the show too? Is there any way to know? Seems reasonable. 3D models are digital and can simply be copied, right?

134. 1701OnMyMind - June 3, 2013

Pierre, feel free to email me at the address I provided in my previous post and I will be happy to discuss that information with you. I’m not looking for a confrontation, just an honest discussion about the situation because there’s a lot of unhappiness on both sides of the aisle right now.

135. Pierre Drolet - June 3, 2013

I don’t know about the show, I didn’t watch it and it would be very hard to prove unless I see the wire frame. But that images is definitely my render I did about 5 year ago. I’m not a public guy and this is why probably nobody in this forum never heard about me. This is the first time I go public in those kind of situation. Doug is NOT a victim at all. I made a exception for this case because Doug has crossed the line way too far. Since he has the nerve to go public with a big headline to promote himself and claiming my work is his… I have no problem at this point to go public too and say to him; NO it is not his work. I hate to do that and I hope I will never have to do that ever again. And sure topgunmb I will email you.

136. Gabe Koerner - June 4, 2013

Oh dear… all this ugliness… how about we deflect some of this madness away from Doug and slam how crappy my opening title sequence for ST Continues was? ;) I didn’t have access to the model above so for that I used a modified version of Koji Kuramura’s model from the mirror universe eps of Enterprise. C’mon, bring on the hate for my titles! Wheeeeee

137. Alain - June 5, 2013

Gabe…you don’t count…since you’re a JJ Prise Closet lover..:)

138. Jenny - June 5, 2013

Gabe: it sucked big time, what WERE you thinking, I mean really, trying to make a Connie flyby… I think you need to go back to school and relearn basic starship painting, you even scratched the paint.. I mean c’mon man..

(RUNS LIKE HELL)

hee hee hee :) it actually looked pretty good Gabe, at least there were no bits of window geo sticking out *wink*

139. WedgeX - June 5, 2013

So the opening title Enterprise was a *modified* Paramount asset (paid for and owned by Paramount)? And the other Enterprise might be Pierre’s that he created under contract at Universal? Making it, technically, their asset? Morally, ethically, legally, this all sounds quite dodgy.

140. Jenny - June 5, 2013

Wedge: I think that Pierre was just working at Uni at the time, there’s no way that Universal could own a property that is copyrighted to Paramount/CBS. And AFAIK, Gabe and Koji are friends and probably shared each other’s stuff, as Gabe also worked on the same shows Koji did.

141. Gabe Koerner - June 5, 2013

This thread really has turned to the dark side… My take is, I have an amicable relationship with Doug, despite that we’ve had a few disagreements in the past, and I believe its absolutely fair that if its Pierre’s work, he be given acknowledgement. I think it could’ve been handled FAR better than hostility under anonymity in a public forum, the Internet equivalent of a drive by shooting. When my feelings have run hot, I’ve expressed my feelings in a similar way and its never yielded good results for me.

WedgeX, I’m fairly certain I know who you are and we used to be friends and professional colleagues. I know that’s my fault. I always wanted to bury the hatchet and if you ever wanna chat and clear the air, gabekoerner@gmail.com. I’d be very open to that. Now that I’m not drinking and medicating daily to the point of insanity, I’m a little more levelheaded to deal with.

Alain and Jenny, thanks for adding a little humor to the mix. :)

142. Jenny - June 5, 2013

Gabe: you think I was being funny? Wow……

well yes I was but had you going there for a sec didn’t I????? :D

143. Alain - June 6, 2013

This issue is between Doug, Pierre and Rob…no one else should really get involved Douglas. Doug’s a Big boy and can manage his own affairs. A Great Effort was made on this Fanfilm, and i’m sure TOS Fans will love it, and in the end..that’s what important. They don’t care who made what and at what time and such..they want the final result to look good. But proper Credits are always important to Artists. This should never go unsaid.

144. WedgeX - June 6, 2013

If Pierre was working at universal, paid by universal, the ship asset is theirs. Not the copyright, but the asset. An artist may use the asset, or images of it, for self-promotion (as Pierre did), but anything else is strictly a no-no. That includes somebody else using it and passing it off as their own.

Same goes for the opening title enterprise. Even if *modified* it belongs to paramount (I mean, holy cats, it was used in two aired episodes!). This isn’t some unrecognizable “kit-bashed” model. It’s a cultural icon and, most certainly, owned by paramount. There’s no grey area here.

I appreciate the idea this should be handled offline by those closest to it… However, that kind or flies out the window once it’s public in an article such as this. Read the title of this article. “…His Enterprise”. Wait..? Whose enterprise??

As someone else pointed out, there is also a question as to the “profit status” and motive of a show such as this. How is this a true “fan film”? Consider the pedigree of people involved, the fact that tickets were sold, that two actors make money from convention appearances (and this could easily be seen as a boost for them)… add to that, the ships might be assets stolen from paramount? Suddenly this might not fly under the radar anymore. And paramount might have something to say about it to those involved. Believe me, they won’t care about “proper credit given”, they will care about property stolen.

Plus, it’s just wrong.

Gabe, you must have me mistaken for another coworker. Unless you’ve learned Hourini recently, we probably haven’t worked together.

145. Alain - June 6, 2013

Wedge…any chance you can contact me at alainrivard@videotron.ca ?

Thanks

146. Gabe Koerner - June 7, 2013

#144, No Wedge, I’ve not learned Houdini recently. Otherwise I’d probably be making decent money and probably have a full time job. :) Bugger off, LightWave! I shoulda defected years ago…

147. Jenny - June 9, 2013

@146 Blasphemy……….. Lightwave RULES!!!!! (runs)

148. Gabe Koerner - June 9, 2013

Jenny, it rules unless you want to like… have a job. :) Every studio I used to work at has dropped LW like a hot potato. Part of why my last few years employment have been so sporadic. :( When *EdenFX* is barely hanging onto LightWave, you know its rough times…

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