Sticky: Into Darkness – Open Weekend Thread & Polls

I called section 31 being in the movie way back in december!! Called it!!

I had not finished reading through the last thread. Is there a place where it is archived? Or am I out of luck?

Once again. Horrible movie that I am grateful my movie theater friend allowed me to see for free.

Saw it one time. Unsure if I’ll see it again.

Regsrds.

@7. Well, like your experience, I am glad that Anthony doesn’t charge a subscription for this website, as then I would have to be paying to read asinine comments like yours.

“My name…is ASFAFEDWABGWREGFR” *dies on own spit*

i posted in the other thread. #956 if you wish to take the time to read that book..

reusing khan and all the other moments=bad. movie would’ve been pretty cool if khan’s britishness was explained.

i predict this movie will make less than ’09, but probably more than WoK.. and it’ll probably be reviewed as silly from the ‘real’ trekkies. which isn’t acceptable.

i really must reiterate that please, boborci, if you’re involved in the next movie, fix the timeline. some how, some way.. with that said, i do have a great idea for star trek’s “golden anniversary”.. ;)

@6 yeah can’t wait for screen cap of that guy that bones and Marcus see. Obviously not meant to be Khan but would be cool if he looks like another actor from the TOS episode

The only reason I’m hoping Into Darkness doesn’t bomb is because I want to see a third movie. But I’d also like to teach a lesson to those who wantonly play with the most famous villain in Star Trek too.

Though, given the numbers so far, they may have a lower than expected opening weekend…

@6. cornflakes87,
“Am I the only one who thinks that Harrison is NOT Kahn, but one of his followers protecting him. If you see the first guy in the cryo tube, it looks like he has the same hairstyle Ricardo Montalban had in the Original Series. At least that is what I saw.”

Nope, you are not the only one. We’ve been discussing over on the previous thread, how there’s nothing in STID canon that prohibits that very scenario.

Most likely this is not the intent of the filmmakers, but nothing prevents a future filmmaker from doing exactly that. In fact it works particularly well if anyone wants to take another stab at a Khan story and BC doesn’t want to reprise his role.

I really don’t think the writers have to “fix” the time line at all. I think they ned to realize they really are, as Sulu said on occasion “free and clear to navigate.” Take the franchise to new places. Seriously. This movie really id dont need khan. The mystery about who John Harrison really was, was the hype, not the answer to the mystery itself.

Take us way out into the galaxy for the next one. Cut the Enterprise off from Starfleet somehow. Get Kirk, Spock, Bones, and Uhura on the planet. Give Scotty or Sulu some time to shine in the center seat. Throw them into a dangerous landscape where our heroes have to use their wit and guile to survive. Something they find sparks a huge revelation…

…and have it end with a new mission directive established for a TV series of some kind. Either with a ship and crew in the same universe, or for this group of characters in maybe an animated format. Something.

Hell, you could even establish one of those other Constitution class ships for a new TV series. How about a show centered around Decker and his people aboard the Constellation? They wouldn’t have to be killed by the planet killer in this universe, and thusly could have a five year mission of their own.

@boborci –

Kirk, I believe, said in the movie that he hadn’t lost anyone under his command. However, in the comics, there were several stories where he lost people (Gary Mitchell most notably).

Now, I know you’ve said the stories are canon unless the movies say otherwise, but I guess my question is: what incentive do we have to continue reading the comics if half of them are seemingly going to be wiped out by the movie?

@boborci, Is there any particular reason you chose to parallel an existing story rather than do something completely new and unique?

Perhaps fighting off an alternate Robert April like the very well done prequel comic. I honestly found that to be much more intriguing.

Also, whats with the travel time from Earth and the heart of the Federation to Qo’noS, the heart of the Klingon empire?

@boborci I think I asked this in the other thread. Trying to phrase it correctly. It’s not a slight on the script, I’m just slow sometimes to catch things. When Spock talks to Spock Prime, after Prime tells Spock that Khan is likely to kill them all, Spock asks how they defeated him in the Prime universe. Here’s what I missed (again, not you, most likely me), if Prime did tell Spock how they did it, did that info pay off/prove useful later in the story?

@boborci

Is there any chance of you doing anything with the possible Klingon war in the next movie?

Just got back from seeing it. Overall, I was actually quite impressed with JJ and the gang. I will admit that I was one of the 4% who read the spoilers. I wanted to a least know what I was walking into. And, truth be told, i was that suprised when I read Cumberbatch was Khan. I was excited to see how it got handled and what kind of narrative choices Orci & Co made, and to be honest, with a few exceptions, I was very impressed. For the first time in a while we got a truely compelling Star Trek movie. Not that the reboot was terrible, but it was very heavy on the exposition. This time around, we were thrown into a movie that was fairly well thought out. Things I liked: Firstly, Pine’s Kirk finally had to learn the consequences of his actions. This was something I thought was sorely lacking in the first movie. Shat Kirk was a lot of things, but totally careless was not one of them. Over the course of the movie, I really feel like Orci and crew went to great pains to develop Kirk’s personality closer to the man that we all know and love. Pine does a great job growing into the role. I was NOT impressed after the first movie, this time around I’m actually starting to like his performance and was pleased to see him acting more like a Captain and less like a Cowboy. Quinto continues to make bold choices in his performance as Spock. As an actor, playing Spock is rife with peril to either be too wooden or too Nimoy-ish (…and trust me, that actually COULD be a bad thing). Quinto is bringing a new depth to the character and I am also very pleased with his performance. The Spock/Uhura thing….well, not so impressed. But I’ll give them an extra point for effort on this one. Cumberbatch was AMAZING… as a Replicant. I had a tough time buying him as Khan. Del Toro or Bardem were obviously great initial choices, but alas, they passed on the movie. This is no way should detract from Cumberbatch’s performance. He was masterful in his portrayal of this character (something a lot of pervious Trek bad guys lacked). However, once the Hispanic contigents passed on the movie, perhaps it would have been to just give Cumby his own character instead of stepping into Montelban’s shoes. A different and equal deadly Replicant may have served to bolster the movie. Instead, as great as Cumby was, I kept saying to myself “He isn’t Khan”. But, again, Cumberbatch was enthrawling and definately deserves high praise. The biggest bone most people seem to be picking with the movie is the Reactor room scene with Kirk. I have to say, I actually thought it amazingly poetic. Orci has demonstrated his penchant for turning classic Trek stories on their ears with the comics, and I have actually enjoyed this. As soon as Scotty says “Don’t go in there, the radiation will kill you” I knew what was going to happen. And it was TOTALLY OK WITH IT. I thought it was a beautiful homage to TWOK, including the moving scene between Kirk and Spock (this time reversed). Hell, I was even OK with Spock crying, because they are finding their own ways to deal with Spock inner conflict. I bought the whole frackin’ thing… right up until Spock lets out the “KHAAAAAAAAAAAN!”. And then I literally smacked my forehead in the middle of the theater. My girlfriend, a non-Trekker, looked at me and said “are you quite alright?”. Sorry, Bob, but you had me until that moment. It wasn’t a crippling blow, but it was pretty bad. I get how you’re trying to develop the character, I really do. But there is NO WAY Spock would EVER loose his composure quite like that. Overall, I’ll give it an 8 out of 10. Really, really, really, good. Not perfect. But, I emphatically state that this was a huge move forward for the Supreme Court. The really grew our characters and, while the film DOES pander to the popcorn crowd with a lot of explosions and few utterances of the “Shit” (which, by the way, I’m not quite sure how I feel about that. Not that I’m a prude or anything. I swear like a drunken sailor in a whorehouse, but Star Trek generally has stuck with one “shit” per movie), I do feel like this really is a new Star Trek for a new generation. I hope you guys can pull of #3 for the 50th. That would be super cool. Also, if we can MAYBE get back to the whole “seek out new life and new civilizations…” thing and a little less of the angry… Read more »

@boborci question: when kirk died, why couldnt they have taken blood from the other genetically enhance humans from the Botony Bay located in the torpedos? Why did they need Kahn’s “super blood”?

2. Curious Cadet – May 17, 2013

@1333. LogicalLeopard,
“Khan actually has a REASON for his change in appearance.”

Are you talking about the excuse that a fourth grade history student writing a paper on Khan might recognize him on the street, et al?

Hmmmm. So if Khan had merely had facial reconstruction, and looked more like Naveen Andrews, that people would still point and say, ‘hey, see that Indian looking man over there? I think he might be that dictator from 300 years ago named Kahn.’?

Do you really think it also took a complete race change, along with an affected British accent to ensure no one recognized him?

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No, I think that the producers thought Cumby was the best person for the role and cast him. And I also think that when I think about it for five seconds, an in-movie solution presents itself. Khan is a recognizeable historical figure from an age where there was sleeper ships, and he went missing. He probably needs a new identity. He didn’t need to be English, but why not? If it were me, Is go Native American or Polynesian instead of black. Or maybe Asian. It’s not like A Federation Doctor can’t do it in a few painless hours. Never seemed to be a problem before.

My point is this: we can’t expect for every little detail to be explained on camera. If you find a workable solution to a question, I say use it. I get hacked off on canon issues like the next guy, but some stuff is so easily explained it doesn’t warrant that much attention.

Star Trek Into Darkness is a great film. It turns everything from the original series into overdrive. Abrams knows how to reinvent and intrigue. The dialogue is awesome, Kirk’s playboy person is intact, and the intellect and action oh my…Its Star Trek in every way just new faces and a level cool that I appreciate. Nothing is suppose to be the same or die an early grave trying to fit into a mold so enjoy it for what is now and will be.