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Trek news catch-up – RIP Ansara, Breaking Bad does Trek, new in depth TOS book series August 20, 2013

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As some may be aware, TrekMovie staffers were mostly out of touch for a couple of weeks recently. Here is a round up of Trek news bits. We mourn the passing of Dahar Master Kang (AKA Michael Ansara), Breaking Bad references Trek in a drug haze, and a new book about the making of TOS debuted. Read on for more.

RIP Michael Ansara

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Michael Anasra passed away on July 31 at the age 91. Trek fans know him as Kang, appearing in TOS and DS9 as the character. Ansara was a well known figure in 1960s and ’70s TV. He was married to I Dream of Jennie herself Barbara Eden from 1958–1974. Ansara can also be seen in other Sci-Fi shows including: The Outer Limits episode “Solider”, and as the reoccurring bad guy Killer Kane on Buck Rogers in the 25th Century. For those of us growing up in the ’90s, Ansara lent his voice to what many consider the definitive version of Mr. Freeze in Batman: The Animated Series (and it’s spin offs).

Happy Birthday Julie Newmar!

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Julie Newmar perhaps best known as Catwoman from the late ’60’s Batman TV series, celebrated her 80th birthday on Friday the 16th. She played the feisty pregnant Eleen, wife of the leader of the Capellans in the TOS episode “Friday’s Child”.

Breaking Bad references Star Trek

Badger and Skinny Pete discuss an unwritten script for Star Trek. Cartoonist Matt Czap made an animated version of the scene, check it out below:

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Kickstarter funded behind the scenes book about TOS production gets released

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These are the Voyages, TOS, Season One, by Marc Cushman. Cushman had access to Gene Roddenberry’s archives and has spent years compiling an episode-by-episode account of the behind the scenes details of the making of Star Trek. This first book covers Season 1, Season 2 and 3 are expected at a later date. For full details, including a sample of the book head over the publisher’s website.

http://www.jacobsbrownmediagroup.com/these-are-the-voyages.html

Keating on podcast, says Enterprise revival unlikely

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Dominic Keating was out celebrating the release of Enterprise Season 2 on Blu-ray and chatted it up with the folks at the Transporter Room 3 podcast.

http://transporterroom3.blogspot.com/2013/08/episode-48-dominic-keating-malcolm-reed.html

 

Comments

1. TrekMadeMeWonder - August 20, 2013

Thank you for the wonderful Trek perfomance, Dahar.

2. bjdcharlie - August 20, 2013

That book looks interesting.

3. Crewman Darnell - August 20, 2013

Absolutely roared with laughter over that Breaking Bad scene. I’m an avid fan of the series and sad to see it wrapping up. Such a stellar example of writing and directing.

Having read the excerpt from “These are the Voyages,” I know I’ll definitely be buying that book.

4. tom - August 20, 2013

Good to see you’re deleting messages that acknowledge your tardiness (again), Anthony.

btw, you were pretty sophomoric in your STID interviews.

Delete me again, because you’re pretty insecure.

5. Al Jalaikakik - August 20, 2013

Just ban tom. There’s no need for that kind of nonsense.

6. gavabot - August 20, 2013

also, Screen Junkies did an “Honest Trailer” of STID

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6B22Uy7SBe4

7. ObsessiveStarTrekFan - August 20, 2013

I also remember Ansara as Cochise from Broken Arrow. He made quite an impression on my young mind for his character not being the stereotypical bloodthisty savage featured in westerns at the time.

It was good that he was able (with William Campbell and John Colicos) to reprise their Klingon TOS roles in DS9. I found it helped strengthen the sense of continuity in the Star Trek universe – even though their appearences were altered from that of the TOS episodes.

On a different note, the STID Honest Trailer has made its appearance ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B22Uy7SBe4

8. Basement Blogger - August 20, 2013

Well, better late than never. The Breaking Bad cartoon idea came about from BB’s creatpr Vince Gilligan. (X-Files) Link. According to Vulture Blog where this cartoon this animation originated, Gilligan is a Trekker. People of earth, we’re everywhere. Um.. CBS if Gilligan is a Trekker, maybe get him to launch a new TV series?

Link.
http://www.vulture.com/2013/08/breaking-bad-badger-star-trek-story-animated.html

9. Basement Blogger - August 20, 2013

@ 7

Just watched that new “trailer” for Star Trek Into Darkness. Funny stuff.

10. Vultan - August 20, 2013

Ansara was easily the best version of Mr. Freeze.
THAT VOICE!

R.I.P.

11. Platitude - August 20, 2013

Ansara’s work as Mr. Freeze was amazing, I just watched that first episode with him recently. One of the finest episodes of the series.

12. Captain, USS Northstar - August 20, 2013

@6 — Thanks for sharing the Honest Trailer link — funny stuff.

13. Commodore Adams - August 20, 2013

IGN’s Transporter Room 3 podcast is entertaining and not dry at all. Phil and Scott are hilarious. They have had many guest stars including LeVar, Frakes, Bakula to name a few. Been listening since day one.

14. CmdrR - August 20, 2013

Honest Trailers has a point… or several.

Just sayin’…

15. Basement Blogger - August 20, 2013

Let me say I hope Anthony is okay. Wherever Anthony is, he has my thoughts and prayers.

and

Hello CmdrR @ 14.

16. Matt Wright - August 20, 2013

@10 & 11 — Was going to add Mr. Freeze to his bio, and then I totally forgot! Doh! I grew up on Batman TAS, I love his Freeze. I’m going to go back and add it to the article.

17. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - August 20, 2013

Kang will be Remembered with Honor!!!!

18. Jason - August 20, 2013

The Transporter Room 3 dudes are pretty cool

19. Crewman Darnell - August 21, 2013

In this case for sure, “Honest Trailers” is painfully… honest.

20. redshirtsarepeopletoo - August 21, 2013

my gods in space, that BB cartoon was BLOODY FANTASTIC, ahahahahahahaha
(Voyager shoutout, whoooo)

21. James - August 21, 2013

I’m sad that so many Trekkies seem intent on bashing STID, a film that tried so hard to please us.

1. It featured a story with a metaphor for the problems of today – it was about something.

http://wilwheaton.net/2013/06/my-review-of-star-trek-into-darkness/

2. It was full of cool references for Trek fans, including a cameo from Nimoy.

3. This was no re-tread of STII or Space Seed, but an original story.

Not to mention that it currently has an 87% fresh rating on rotten tomatoes or that it is the most successful Star Trek film ever in terms of box office – likely to top out at around $470 million.

I don’t know if it is a small section of the hardcore Trek community that don’t like JJ Abrams’ Trek or whether it’s a larger group. Certainly fans have bashed it in the comments on Trek Core, TrekWeb and Trektoday. Then again, you read someone like Mark Altman or the review at aint it cool and they rave about the film.

I’d argue that Star Trek prior to Abrams was dead – it was like the MacDonalds of SF – you knew what you were gonna get. Reheated rubbish like Star Trek Insurrection and Nemesis or bland stuff like early Enterprise (loved Season 4 though).

For me, I’ve been a trekkie since 1991 when I first saw The Undiscovered Country and I can honestly say that STID is the closest that a Trek movie has come to matching that film. My film review of STID is here.

http://ryesofthegeek.wordpress.com/2013/06/18/star-trek-into-darkness-film-review/

22. PaulB - August 21, 2013

#20 – James, the moment you said STID is an “original story,” you lost a lot of credibility. Defending it is one thing–the movie made a lot of money, so it’s obvious that a lot of people liked it. But claiming that STID’s story is original is a joke.

As for whether it’s a small group of Abrams haters or a larger group, I think it’s clearly both. There is a small pack of Abrams haters who loathed ST09 and went to STID looking for a fight. These folks didn’t even give the movie a chance.

On the other hand, there’s a decent-sized group (that I predict will grow in the next few years) who loved ST09 and embraced AbramsTrek, only to have STID spit in our faces. They rehashed Khan for NO GOOD REASON–he doesn’t act like Khan EVER in the movie. He’s a good enough villain, but he’s not even slightly like the original Khan. (Not talking about race/color here, I’m talking about characterization.)

There is no sense of wonder, no awe, no joy of space travel, no exploration of anything new. Kirk’s character arc is the same as in the first movie. Spock doesn’t have an arc, just a downqard spiral. McCoy–wasted! Carol Marcus–wasted! Chekov–wasted to the point of seeming like punishment against the actor.

The last half of the movie is basically Michael Bay action with Trek costumes. At the end, we’re being told AGAIN that they’re setting off to “explore strange new worlds,” but why should we trust that since we didn’t explore any strange new worlds in this film? (Nabiru doesn’t even come close to counting as exploring a new world.)

The list of legitimate, widely held criticisms of STID is long and valid. Yes, a few haters just spew vemon at anything related to Abrams, Orci, or Lindelof. Some of us have learned what to expect from Abrams (slightly smarter Michael Bay movies), from Orci (conspiracy and dumb action, and barely-grasped science), and Lindelof (third-grade philosophy masquerading as depth), so we no longer trust them as filmmakers. And some of us who loved ST09 were so disappointed to get a retread of that movie (STID is a HUGE retread of the first movie) and bad plagiarism from TWOK and other films, that we find ourselves disgusted and saddened at what Trek seems to be turning into.

Sorry to go on so long, but you wrote at some length, so I figured I’d reply with some detail.

23. PaulB - August 21, 2013

#20 – P.S.: James, watch that Honest Trailer and then try to call STID “original” without laughing.

24. ObsessiveStarTrekFan - August 21, 2013

@20. James – August 21, 2013

You can love something and still laugh at someone poking fun at it. I’ve been a trekkie since 1966. TOS is my favourite, but I like all incarnations of Trek to a greater or lesser extent. I Iike the reboot movies as well. Despite some issues, they still feel very Trek to me, and are certainly NOT at the bottom of my Trek Movie list.

Having said that, I think Galaxy Quest is excellent, and I also got quite a laugh out of the Star Trek Honest Trailers.

There are a number of issues that will get me worked up – having my beloved Star Trek satirized is not one of them…

25. James - August 21, 2013

@23 Oh yes, I can laugh at Trek satire and the Honest Trailer did elicit some chortles and I too think that Galaxy Quest is excellent.

I’d just noticed a LOT of Star Trek Into Darkness hatred in general inside the Trek community, which I don’t think the film deserves. Also, there was some survey or something, where Trekkies voted STID the worst Trek film ever! which I frankly found astonishing!

@21 I’d agree with you that it’d be nice to have more exploration of strange new worlds…..but none of the original movies (bar the motion picture) really did much of that!

I’d also agree that the Spock/Khan smack-down was the weak point of the movie.

I did think that Khan was well-played and came across as cultured and driven like Star Trek 2’s Khan.

Story wise, please can you explain how the story is a rip-off of Space Seed or TWOK (barring Kirks sacrifice).

you also write that
‘There is no sense of wonder, no awe, no joy of space travel, no exploration of anything new.’

Again, I’d contend that this is a failing with many of the Trek movies. I’d also argue that it is untrue – the volcano scene was pretty awesome and new as was the red planet in general. I also liked the (brief) glimpses of the Klingons, Praxis and the homeworld.

26. ObsessiveStarTrekFan - August 21, 2013

@24. James – August 21, 2013

“…Also, there was some survey or something, where Trekkies voted STID the worst Trek film ever! which I frankly found astonishing!”

Yeah, that does annoy me. I’m not annoyed that (apparently) approximately 100 people in a room ranked the Star Trek movies from Best to Worst by verbal acclaim and put STID at the bottom.

What does annoy me is the level of publicity that ‘poll’ received worldwide – without reporting how the ‘poll’ was taken.

The tone of the reporting seems to fall in to 2 camps: either confirming how bad STID was; or confirming how weird trekkies/trekkers are.

27. Josh C. - August 21, 2013

yep…the honest trailer hit most of the points of why I think STID is a middle of the pack Star Trek movie

28. AJ - August 21, 2013

If it hasn’t been mentioned, Michael Ansara also reprised Kang in ST: VOY’s super-fun “Flashback” episode. He congratulates “Mr. Sulu” on his captaincy. RIP

29. crazydaystrom - August 21, 2013

Hope the book is worthy. Behind the scenes and ‘Making of’ Trek books are what I miss most in this new Trek era. *sigh*

30. DS9 IN PRIME TIME - August 21, 2013

Wouldnt it be nice if CBS and Paramount actually revived TREK on TV. Enterprise or some other new show.

31. Danpaine - August 21, 2013

Loved that Breaking Bad scene, classic.

I’m going to wait until I receive STID on DVD next month and rewatch it before I consider bashing it (some more). Still, saw it once in 2D and once in 3D during it’s run, and sorry, James. I’ve been a fan of all things Trek since about 1974 and this story was just thin. Pretty to look at, but that’s about it. Typical of the times today.

32. James - August 21, 2013

I’d love a new TV show – I think it should be done like Falling Skies. A short season which would allow a lot of money to be spent on each episode. To be honest, I don’t know why CBS aren’t making a ‘movie of the week’ (maybe 6 a year). The Voyager two parters always got incredible ratings.

33. James - August 21, 2013

People might be interested in this interview with Simon Pegg who addresses those who hate on the new movie.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/21/simon-pegg-the-worlds-end_n_3787056.html?utm_hp_ref=entertainment

34. kmart - August 21, 2013

There may be some ‘issues’ with that TOS book and photo clearances … probably more of an ethical violation than a legal one, but something to consider when deciding whether to buy it or not.

startrekhistory.com’s restoration work on images may have been used without permission, but hey, look up the info for yourself (trekbbs has 2 threads on this, in TOS and LIT, and I imagine there are some elsewhere on the net too) and make an informed decision.

Not trying to make this about the legal issue … this is more like a Trek ep, since it is about deciding what the right thing to do is in an ethical sense.

35. jus_wonderin - August 21, 2013

Some folks make comments that give one the impression that they pay for this site and are not getting the return on their subscription. Ha!

36. vva - August 21, 2013

#32 I agree somewhat with Simon Pegg but he should take his own advice with the Star Wars prequels. What he’s complaining the fans are doing is exactly what he’s doing.

37. Mikey1091 - August 21, 2013

Enterprise revival unlikely? Have these dumbasses from netflix and CBS SEEN all the support it has from trek fans? They better make it likely, because I’m going to start writing and sending them letters about it DAILY! It’s going to be expensive, but they aren’t listening to anyone else so why not?

38. gavabot - August 21, 2013

@32 – Pegg makes some interesting comments there, and I would agree with him to an extent…but it only addresses a small section of the fandom

In my opinion there several types of people responding to this movie:

“stick in the mud” fans who hated the ’09 movie and what the new universe is trying to accomplish…i think these people are a minority

fans who loved the ’09 movie but got hung up on the ‘originality’ points and found that this movie contradicted the purpose of the new universe…you could call these nitpickers…I’m one of them

fans who did not get hung up on the ‘originality’ points and ate up the spectacle of the movie…these fans would rather not nitpick

then there’s general blockbuster movie fans some of which thought it was nothing more than a ‘fun space movie’

I feel that with the ’09 movie there was a lot less segregation than there is with this movie, and it is still considered one of the good ones. This one has people much more divided and that really says something about it and fandom in general.

39. PaulB - August 21, 2013

#35 Gavabot – I don’t think it’s fair to call that middle group nitpickers. Complaining that Kirk’s hair is parted wrong is nitpicking. Complaining that the film completely wasted the opportunities promised by the rebooted universe (and promised by those making it) isn’t nitpicking.

Complaining that Khan’s eyes are the wrong color is nitpicking. Complaining that the character bears no resemblance to the character from TOS/TWOK and is a complete waste of that canon character is not nitpicking.

Pointing out that huge swaths of STID are all but identical to chunks of ST09 is not nitpicking.

Sorry, I just disagree about dismissing legitimate concerns about major issues as “nitpicking.”

The lack of originality in STID is not a nit.

40. gavabot - August 21, 2013

@36 fair enough…I was trying to speak from a more generalized point of view

some people think it’s great and would consider criticisms that you and i feel are valid as nitpicking…

it’s still early, but i feel this one won’t sit as one of the greats of the franchise and that is completely fair…

41. PaulB - August 21, 2013

#37 – Agreed.

42. Mitchell - August 21, 2013

I wish the Klingon’s looked like that again. Classic and simple.

43. FART - August 21, 2013

Into Darkness was excellent Trek film. To each their own.
Regarding Anthony, he should either take care of his site or take it down. Trek movie has become a pale shadow of what it once was. These “news” stories are old. TrekWeb, and even ComicBookMovie are scooping you guys. Anthony is lazy and really needs to give this up.

44. Brian Matthews - August 21, 2013

And on a breaking news note: Simon Pegg was interviewed by the Huffington Post, and when asked his reaction to the swell of anti-‘Into Darkness’ sentiment… he basically told all of you haters out there ‘F- you.’
So glad I don’t go into movies just to hate them…

45. Tallugy - August 21, 2013

32. – Do his opinions of STID and the people that didn’t like it and his own opinions of the prequels (that he didn’t like) seem somewhat contradictory?

EVERY movie, even the really really really really really bad ones are hard work.

46. Silvereyes - August 21, 2013

#4 Tom

What are you, 12 years old?

47. Viking - August 21, 2013

He lived to be 91 and came home to Barbara Eden for 16 of them? He lived a pretty good life. Should we all have those graces.

48. Jonboc - August 21, 2013

#22. “But claiming that STID’s story is original is a joke.”

…yeah, it’s nowhere NEAR as original as Wrath of Khan…so what if WOK recycled a villain from the TV series in a futuristic “take” on Moby Dick. At least it was original! lol

49. Josh C. - August 21, 2013

Now really, I wasn’t thrilled with Into Darkness, but saying that it’s worse than Insurrection or Final Frontier is going a little overboard…

50. Eprom - August 21, 2013

Loved Ansara, he had ‘screen presence’ (and could menace well). He did so many memorable roles from Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea (The Movie) to the Technomage in Babylon 5.

51. The Keeper - August 21, 2013

It should also be noted that Michael Ansara was married to Barbara Eden and he played “The Blue Djinn”
on “I Dream of Jeanie”
Look on the walls of Tony Nelson’s living room. The paintings were done by Michael Ansara who taught himself to oil paint. One of the paintings is actually of Larry Hagman’s wife, Maj!

He also played Kane in the 1979–1981 series Buck Rogers in the 25th Century

On Babylon 5 he played the Techno-mage Elric in the episode The Geometry of Shadows

52. Who cares - August 21, 2013

Matt you should note that Julie Newmar was only one of three different people to play Catwoman in Adam West’s Batman.

53. Son of Jello - August 22, 2013

George Ansara also played a tecnomage in that most magnificant of shows Babylon 5 (khan how lazy what a cop out)

54. Son of Jello - August 22, 2013

Did anyone take the time to set their alarms for when cassini took a photo of earth a few weeks ago. I went outside and waved heres the photo im second from the left. http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/news/newsreleases/newsrelease20130722/ Its quite an amazing picture.

55. PaulB - August 22, 2013

48. Jonboc “yeah, it’s nowhere NEAR as original as Wrath of Khan…so what if WOK recycled a villain from the TV series in a futuristic “take” on Moby Dick. At least it was original! lol”

I only replied to his comment that STID is original, which IS a joke. I didn’t say TWOK was original or anything of the kind; I merely refuted his claim about STID being original.

Yeah, TWOK was inspired by/based on/ripped off from “Space Seed” and Moby Dick. True. (No scenes or dialogue were repeated from “Space Seed,” though.) But STID wasn’t even original within the Trek movies! STID heavily lifts from the immediately preceding film, for crying out loud! It lifts entire lines and copies an entire scene from an Trek film–TWOK, obviously. STID borrows from TWOK, but it’s a half-remake of ST09.

So, yeah, STID is NOT original, and it’s far less original than TWOK.

56. P Technobabble - August 22, 2013

I hope the Trek book’s account of the making of “City On The Edge Of Forever” doesn’t try to give us some watered-down version of that fiasco. Ellison’s book on the matter presents an awfully strong case…

57. Tom - August 22, 2013

@ 5 — ban me? For what? Do you see me being particularly abusive? Do you recognize my name as someone who trolls on this board? I’ve been coming to this site for over 10 years. Yet you’d BAN me.

As a Trek fan, no doubt you consider yourself an open-minded, freedom-loving liberal.

What is it with most Trek fans, liberalism, intolerance and close-mindedness?

At any rate, this is off-topic, and I can appreciate that much. But you, sir, have no stomach for liberty.

58. Who cares - August 22, 2013

@57. This site hasn’t existed for ten years, stop lying.

59. PaulB - August 22, 2013

#57 – Tom, you’re in the wrong place for that kind of empty-headed liberal-bashing political trolling. You’re clearly doing NOTHING but spoiling for a fight, in the wrong place and about the wrong topic.

You’re looking for the Fox News forums, probably. This is about Star Trek, which is clearly beyond your comprehension. How a right-wing nonsense-spouting troll like you could be a Trek fan is beyond me.

60. Al Roberts - August 22, 2013

The only thing that bothered me about the Breaking Bad trek references was when Skinny Pete corrected Badger about which series the berries are from I’m pretty sure he got it wrong he said Voyager but I’m 99% sure they are from DS9. Aren’t the berries in question the ones that Quark went to the Gamma Quadrant to buy and subsequently introduced the Dominion?

61. binky - August 22, 2013

Simon Pegg hit the nail on the head!!! The hatred towards this movie from the hard core fans is simply ridiculous. This is a group of people who are unwilling, or unable to accept change. Unfortunately this includes most of you here at this site. Get a life, grow up, and most importantly….move out of your parents basement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

62. Who cares - August 22, 2013

@60. Having just the other day watched the episode where Grand Nagus Zek sent Quark and a disguised female Ferengi (disguised as a man) into the Gamma Quadrant for 100000 vats of Tulaberry wine I would say DS9 would be the right series, if you (and Breaking Bad) were talking about tulaberries. I don’t watch Breaking Bad so I don’t know what they said on the show.

63. Marja - August 22, 2013

43, F, I DON’T agree about shutting down this site – too many acquaintances here I enjoy chatting with to give it up! – but I agree about Anthony. If he’s reaping the profits he should be here, but if Matt heads it up [Anthony could after all hand him the reins] and can get the profits, perhaps he can go full-time on this venture. I rather agree with you & Simon Pegg on STiD, though I have my criticisms.

52, Yeah! Eartha Kitt and [Star Trek connection here, she played Losira in TOS “That Which Survives”] Lee Meriwether!

62, Who, you can get a great and funny “digest” of Breaking Bad at Honest Trailers – I found it hilarious : )

64. Marja - August 22, 2013

Ahh, Michael Ansara. I wish we could have seen his portrayal of Kang in more TOS eps. Using heavy Klingon turtlehead makeup on him was a bad choice in DS9, but IMHO the Klingon “turtlehead” look was not a great choice to begin with …. I wish they had simply hired people of colour, used long hair in warriors’ locks, amped up the Klingon uniforms and been done with it.

The explanation for the “Augment” Klingons in Enterprise was good Retcon though. Too bad it was necessary : p

65. cj - August 23, 2013

$40 PER VOLUME for those books? There’s no freaking way. I’d love to read them, as I’m fascinated with the making of TOS, but paying $120 for 3 “making of” books just seems crazy to me.

66. Spock's Bangs - August 23, 2013

Just bought volume one. Read the excerpts and I’m sold, i mean 600 pages chronicling the production of every episode is a LOT of information. $40 for 600 pages and hardcover isn’t bad at all.

67. kmart - August 23, 2013

The price isn’t the problem. The fact that this thing has got all the usual typos like ‘kahn’ is a yellow flag, but the dealbreaker is whether they were unethical in grabbing images restored by another party.

68. Jonboc - August 23, 2013

I’d say the matter of who “owns” the restored trims from episodes owned by Paramount/Desilu, that somehow made it into Lincoln Enterprise’s catalog to sale, is a slippery slope at best. But clearly, credit should be given to whoever did such a great job at the restoration. Regardless, it’s the hours poured over the original memos at UCLA shedding new details of the production of these episodes that intrigues me. The two excerpts I just read on the website were very interesting. Needless to say, I’m $40 poorer!

69. Marja - August 23, 2013

Hope I can save up enough to buy it. Hmmmm, book, or STiD download, hmmm

I read “The Making of Star Trek” by Whitfield/Roddenberry hundreds of times, so I suppose I may invest ….

70. ksmsscu - August 24, 2013

@PaulB — Each of your comments are well thought out, and in my opinion, persuasive. Now, the opening scene of ST09 was killer. The ‘how they all met’ was original. The scenes with Bruce Greenwood rocked. Having Nimoy was poignant; of course, I think nixing the Shatner scene at the end was a huge missed opportunity. Still, there was plenty to (not nitpick) not be thrilled about — Kirk’s incredulous ride up, down, and up the ladder to a captaincy, the disappearance of McCoy as a key character, the insulting writing for Kirk during his Kobayashi Maru (even the apple was a total slap in the face to an unforgettable scene of the key theme in the STII-IV trilogy — have just a little respect, Bob and Alex).

At the end, as an original viewer from September 1966, I was very happy Trek was back in a big way for new audiences, and looking forward to an exciting but more meaningful story in ST13. EPIC FAIL. PaulB nails it — not only an embarrassing ripoff of TWOK but in many ways just a retread of the movie JJ and company had just made. Cumberbatch is a marvelous actor, completely wasted here. His ‘My name is Khan’ and OldSpock’s expositionary ‘Khan Noonien Singh was one of the greatest threats…’ sailed completely over the new audiences’ heads and gave zero motivation to the character vis-a-vis Kirk and his crew and the poor, once-again neglected Enterprise. In TWOK, Spock uses his intelligence to get the engines back online. In STID, Kirk is kicking the whozis until it works again. I totally gave up and buried my head in my hands with Spock’s horrendous scream after Kirk ‘dies’ (not withstanding the ‘magic blood’ and all, leading to the ‘great flying LEGO chase’ over San Francisco).

Kirk’s closing refrain to seek out ‘strange new worlds’ is fool’s gold unless you put Qo’Nos in that category, along with more big black ships and conspiracies and McCoy only as stand-up comic, and a really big war until the Organians (or Q) show up.

Unless you change the WRITERS. The 50th Anniversary and all of us, especially the new audiences, deserve a whole lot better. LLAP.

71. Jonboc - August 24, 2013

#70…wow…you really just didn’t get it, did you? Oh well, not unusual…you can’t make someone understand something…and I’m certainly not going to waste my breath here. Reminds me of Batman fans who get livid at the mention of The Adam West series…or just regular viewers who thought it was a silly kid’s show. Not their fault, they simply didn’t get it. So many of you Into Darkness bashers fall into this crowd. Ultimately, it’s your loss…just a darn shame you weren’t able to grasp it.

72. ksmsscu - August 25, 2013

@71 — Hold on just a minute, please. First, I loved the Adam West ‘Batman’ for the wonderful camp it was, and was generally thrilled by the Nolan/Bale films for their intelligence and emotional depth. I got both of those.

Jonboc, please spend a little breath letting me and the other Darkness bashers exactly what “it” was that you twice say ‘we didn’t get it’ and finish by lamenting that ‘we weren’t able to grasp it.’

I do not get what you mean to say. TOS was sometimes campy but mostly intelligent. What are the new films supposed to be? Camp or huge rollercoasters for the new viewers just to keep Trek alive? Thought-provoking as well as heart-stopping? — it’s hard to believe you think STID accomplished that like The Dark Knight did.

I honestly went to see Darkness with my wife and son on the preview night with great expectations. I was ready for a towering home run. I hate bashing Star Trek. Please tell me what I’m not getting. Be specific — what’s the ‘it’ I’m completely unable to get?

73. MAXIMUS - August 25, 2013

Hey, you forgot to mention how Star Trek Into Darkness was met with boos and voted worst Trek movie at Las Vegas Con.

Way to go. Keep up the good biased work!

74. Who cares - August 25, 2013

@73. Somehow you think this site is more biased than 100 people deciding that STID is the worst Trek film? Cause it was only 100 people out of the roughly 12000 people at the Vegas con that “voted” STID the worst movie, not a valid vote, utter garbage that does not even deserve to be given the slightest consideration.

75. Keachick - August 26, 2013

#72 – You say you hate bashing Star Trek Into Darkness – then STOP!

Star Trek Into Darkness is an original screenplay based on a TV and movie series. When you base a story on a film and/or TV series, then there will be similarities, even the characters exhibiting many of the same behaviours that they have been shown being/saying/doing in previous iterations. That is inevitable.

The fact is that nothing that was shown or said in this film had been heard or seen before. We never heard Spock scream “Khan” before nor did we see Kirk suffer (and die) from radiation poisoning. Nor did we know that this particular John Harrison/Khan’s blood contained certain properties that could bring about cellular/tissue regeneration nor did we ever see Lt Uhura speak pretty fluent Klingon to other Klingons and on and on I could go…

Now, whether some audience members liked the story told in this film or not, is actually beside the point.

The actual presence/representation of the alternate universe Khan Noonien Singh, the person prime Spock knew and spoke of, was never actually validated. John Harrison simply called himself Khan – nothing more. Therefore, until a subsequent Star Trek FILM or at the very least, an Ongoing Star Trek comic actually confirms that this white looking John Harrison/Khan (who may or may not have North Indian ancestry) is the very same prime universe Khan Noonien Singh counterpart, then people’s assumptions are moot. Bob Orci may say that STID’s Khan is that Khan but it is NOT canon and therefore his comments are also moot.

Damon Lindelof – genius…:)!!!

76. Keachick - August 26, 2013

It is now 26 August (US time) which means our lovely young Captain Kirk (alias Chris Pine) has a birthday today.

Happy Birthday to Chris
Happy Birthday to you

“Why were you born so beautiful
Why were you born at all
The angels brought you down from heav’n
To shine a light for all!”

Chris Pine – May you enjoy a great new year. Take care of yourself.
Love and best wishes, Rose (Keachick)

77. ksmsscu - August 27, 2013

Matt – No need to post this but I’ve submitted two other posts, one Sunday, one Monday, responding again to 71 and 75. They were polite and trying to bridge the ‘understanding’ and communication gap between defenders and detractors of STID. After normally entering my name and email, I clicked ‘say it!’ and the posts vanished. The thread hadn’t closed because my first attempt was before 75 and 76 were posted. Any idea what may be wrong? Thanks. Steve (ksmsscu) at ksmsscu@comcast.net.

78. ksmsscu - August 27, 2013

Matt — Well, that worked, but when I try to paste my 2nd non-posted comment, which stands in fine for both, I’m taken to a page saying, “Duplicate comment detected; it looks as though you’ve already said that!” Tips for the future?

79. Blue Thunder - August 30, 2013

It’s a shame about Michael Ansara’s passing.

He was a real cool character actor and his talents, let alone his presence will be sadly missed.

80. Jonboc - August 31, 2013

These Are The Voyages arrived in my mailbox yesterday. An incredibly comprehensive look at the production the first season as well as the Cage. Looking forward to rewatching the episodes as I read through the book.

81. ksmsscu - September 2, 2013

@Jonboc — re your comment at 71: You vaguely, not specifically, trashed my criticisms of Darkness at 70 and although I sincerely asked you in 72 to let me and other Trek fans who had major problems with STID know just what ‘it’ was that we couldn’t ‘get’, you ignored my request.

About what I’d expected. ‘Just a darn shame’ you weren’t able to express it.

82. Anthony Thompson - September 4, 2013

The TOS first season book is outstanding – well worth the money. It’s based on documentation – not just opinion. And the research is very, very thorough. I haven’t gotten to “The City on the Edge of Forever” yet, but I’m sure it will be as definitive as the rest of the book has been. Harlan’s book is mostly just a rant – filled with inaccuracies. And his early drafts (which are in the book) NEEDED to be re-written. Roddenberry did him a favor by doing so. The first draft shows very little familiarity with Star Trek. He calls the bridge the “control center”, for instance.

83. Adam Bomb 1701 - September 12, 2013

#64 – We almost didn’t see Michael Ansara’s Kang at all. “Day of the Dove” was originally written for John Colicos’ Kor. But, he was doing a movie at the time, and wasn’t available. I understand that Colicos wanted to do the episode quite badly. Our gain, as we got Ansara’s bravura portayal of Kang. R.I.P.; Michael Ansara.

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