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Star Trek: Renegades new 2 minute teaser video December 27, 2013

by Matt Wright , Filed under: Fan Productions , trackback

Fan production Star Trek: Renegades has released a new 2 minute preview video. Renegades is from the same group that made the incredibly popular TOS-era fan film Of Gods and Men. The production has multiple Trek alums involved as well as other familiar names from Sci-Fi TV and movies. Walter Koenig, Tim Russ (also directing), Robert Picardo, Gary Graham (Soval in ENT), Sean Young (Blade Runner), Manu Intiraymi (Icheb in VOY) and quite a few more. It is expected to be completed by Summer 2014.

It is ten years after Voyager’s return from the Delta Quadrant, and the Federation is in a crisis. The Federation’s main suppliers of dilithium crystals are disappearing. Space and time have folded around several planets, effectively isolating them from any contact with outside worlds. And this phenomenon is not natural – someone or something is causing this to happen. This necessitates drastic measures; some of which are outside the Federation’s normal jurisdiction. For this, Admiral Pavel Chekov, head of Starfleet Intelligence, turns to Commander Tuvok, Voyager’s former security officer and current head of the newly reorganized Section 31. Tuvok must put together a new covert, renegade crew – mostly outcasts and rogues – even criminals. This new crew is tasked with finding out what is causing the folding of time and space, and stopping it – at all costs. But will they be able to put aside their differences and stop trying to kill one another in time to accomplish their mission?

Click on to see the new trailer


The new trailer

First teaser trailer

Full details of the Renegades project and information about donating to help with post-production can be found at:

http://startrekrenegades.com/

Comments

1. Yob Benami - December 27, 2013

Looks interesting. I’ll be checking it out. It would be nice to have a Star Trek series again…..in whatever form that may take. Is this that form? We’ll see. It sure appears to have some of the right elements. We’ll see this summer! LLAP

2. Snugglepuff - December 27, 2013

The good and the bad

Good:
-Looks like they used proper HD cameras
-Lighting is great for the look they’re going for
-Make up is top-notch
-Great to see so many Trek actors in it
-Good music in the beginning and end of trailer

Bad:
-Trailer editing is awful
-someone needs to learn how to use Adobe After Effects, Photoshop and Premiere to make better text effects.
-Didn’t care for the Transformers text change at the end.
I didn’t see a whole lot of starships in there. This is Star Trek after all

I do film making for a living and these are my thoughts.

3. Perer000 - December 27, 2013

Looks promising! Sounds like a good story with interesting new characters and old favorites. What new Trek should be!

4. Red Dead Ryan - December 27, 2013

Pretty sad to see the old Trek actors reduced to starring in second-rate fan films. This one just looks like run-of-the-mill and uninteresting.

5. Elias Javalis - December 28, 2013

Looks Good,

Mr Russ , you have my thanks Sir!

6. Captain Slow - December 28, 2013

I’ve been trying to figure out for some time what in the world the opening lines mean. Does anyone know?

7. Jerry Modene - December 28, 2013

I think this has the potential to be something very interesting – and serves as proof that you can have a “darker” and different take on Star Trek without losing sight of what made the franchise great in the first place, something I wish Abrams could have done.

And I would certainly not call this film a “second-rate fan film.” Not by any stretch of imagination.

8. BatlethInTheGroin - December 28, 2013

This looks to be as crappy and amateurish as “Of Gods and Men.” It’s cringe-inducing to see so many Trek actors desperate for work that they keep taking fanfic gigs.

9. joe1306 - December 28, 2013

Looks really interesting. Actually I find the shorter trailer better than the longer one. I’m looking forward to see what comes out of this and when it comes out. Also the quality looks much better then in Of Gods and Men

10. garth of I - December 28, 2013

i would very much like to see this however this trailer is not hooking me in. Hoping another trailer/final product will change that.

11. The Keeper - December 28, 2013

Defiantly has the look and feel of yet another fan rub out ejaculation.
With the quickly growing tiresome preconceived expectations that by attaching former actors from various series and movies that this will make it better then the rest “cliche”

The only thing it might have going for it is that it doesn’t have Bumbling Bob Orci writing it.

12. ScottC - December 28, 2013

If this takes place 10 years after Voyager, shouldn’t Chekov be a lot older or even dead by now? And Tuvok, a Vulcan, got grey hair in just 10 years? Also, anyone catch the “Khan” reference in the second trailer.

13. OSCAR - December 28, 2013

Great, true star trek again made by true trekkers…
Can’t wait…

14. Linda Thompson - December 28, 2013

They have posted pictures of the ships on their Facebook page. They said the next trailer would have some footage. The pictures of the Klingon and Starfleet ship look pretty cool. Their weapons look awesome too.

15. Captain Slow - December 28, 2013

@ 11 OSCAR

Uh, the show is about a bunch of criminals who want to kill each other and the Federation is about to collapse. That doesn’t sound like true Star Trek to me. It could end up being great but right now it sounds more like Stargate Universe than Star Trek.

16. Dr. Image - December 28, 2013

Wait- HOW is Chekov still around in this time period?? You’ve got to be kidding!

17. Lurker - December 28, 2013

“Great, true star trek again made by true trekkers…
Can’t wait…”

I really hope that is sarcasm.

18. Baxter - December 28, 2013

13 —- Viagra perhaps?
But seriously, this would make him almost 150 years old.
And he doesn’t look a day past 135….

19. BatlethInTheGroin - December 28, 2013

#11: You’re joking, right?

20. Optimistic Doodle - December 28, 2013

@5: The writing on the wall is a poem called ‘Invictus’, which is Latin for ‘Unconquered’.

It has been the inspiration for many great people who believed in peace and fought against tyranny and oppression. To read the history of the poem… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invictus

21. Alex Rosenzweig - December 28, 2013

#11, 14: Personally, I’m much more excited by this than I am by the prospect of another movie from Bad Robot. And that’s *not* sarcasm in the least.

#10 – “If this takes place 10 years after Voyager, shouldn’t Chekov be a lot older or even dead by now?”

Chekov would be about 142 or so. Even today, medical science is starting to see hints that we could live out to 150+, so could it be possible 400 years from now? I don’t see why not. Meanwhile, in the Trekverse, Chekov was an active duty admiral in 2377, as established in the “Vulcan’s Soul” trilogy, and even Elias Vaughn was a ship captain at the age of 100 in the post-TV series DS9 stories. Could Chekov still be active at 142? Well, I’m sure that his days of beaming down to every rough-and-tumble planet might be a little past him, but as a desk officer at StarFleet Command? Why not?

“And Tuvok, a Vulcan, got grey hair in just 10 years?”

Considering what Tuvok experienced on both the Voyager and Titan, and at an age of 111, it’s hardly inconceivable

“Also, anyone catch the “Khan” reference in the second trailer.”

Captain Singh is a descendent of Khan, we’re told, though I’m not sure how the familial line runs, i.e., is it from Earth post the Eugenics Wars or from Khan after “Space Seed” in some way.

22. CmdrR - December 28, 2013

It’s got a serious case of fanboyitis. The purple junk in McCoy’s hypo might help. Meantime… I wish them luck, but the trailer really isn’t that interesting.

23. Kevin T. Baldwin - December 28, 2013

Hello? Anyone remember “The Cage”? Let’ s cut these people some slack. They didn’t have the full financial backing from Paramount as in the old days to cut a pilot and people tend to forget that the “Cage” pilot was crap in its day which was why it was originally UN-aired.

This new organization had to have Kickstarter and indiegogo campaigns to fund the Renegades project. Tim Russ seems to have done an excellent job directing from what little I’ve seen, but it’s real intention is to show the CBS execs the POTENTIAL for such a new series.

There have been comparisons made to the fan-made “Of Gods and Men” which I think actually hurts the credibility of this newer project. If “Renegades” is accepted by the execs as a series pilot, from what I’ve seen it has much potential. There’s any number of different directions that an actual series can go. However, historically, CBS doesn’t give series much chance to evolve. So, let’s hope the production staff has some viable back-up plans in place.

Personally, I can’t wait to see the finished product.

24. Ahmed - December 28, 2013

@Matt Wright,

Thanks for posting the article.

Will watch St: Renegades when it come out next year but did it really needed to be dark & edgy …? sigh

25. Platitude - December 28, 2013

Like others, my first thought was “How can Chekov be alive in a post Voyager story?” Even if medicine has allowed him to still be alive, I can’t really see the oldest human in existence still maintaining a senior position at Starfleet.

#11 I hope that is sarcasm.

26. Optimistic Doodle - December 28, 2013

@23: Hear, hear.

27. Captain Smirk - December 28, 2013

In my opinion, this is a dark time to be a die-hard Star Trek fan. Back in the mid-1970′s, the Star Trek flame was kept burning only by crappy fan fiction and a short-lived cartoon series. By the time we got ourselves a big-budget motion picture to wake up the franchise, it was a critical dud.

Today we still have crappy fan fiction and a short-lived cartoon series, which is the JJ-verse, which also landed us a critical dud (Into Darkness, which I think of as “2 Star 2 Trek”).

Maybe “Star Tr3k: Tokyo Drift” will deliver the goods in a few years?

28. James Rye - December 28, 2013

@27 – you’re kidding me! STID is the highest grossing film in the franchise with an 87 per cent fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes. It’s simply erroneous to say that the last film was a ‘critical dud’. You and plenty of others didn’t like it, but the majority of critics and indeed the cinema going public did.

These sort of fan made productions don’t really do it for me, but hey, who are they hurting? It’s not canon and if Paramount didn’t want Trekkies playing in the sandbox, they’d put a stop to it.

Sadly, for me at least, this trailer just seems wrong. It looked like B5.

29. Face Palm - December 28, 2013

Horrible…It makes me embarrased to be a Trek fan. \

Acting…over the top
Editing…so many screams in the trailer
Acting…horrible

Oh ya…lets add a Green Light to the prison cell…that makes it look alien.

30. Marja - December 28, 2013

Initial thoughts: Really? In prison all that time with full makeup and false eyelashes? Stopping to pose in the passageway?

Including a superannuated Chekov [is this supposed to draw fans who can't do without at least one TOS character]?

The alien makeup that makes it appear a tooth-laden mouth can’t open far enough for the alien to speak? Doesn’t follow – a mouth that full of teeth was designed at the very least for biting.

In the very last shot there’s a woman wearing black-framed eyeglasses?!

PAGING PRODUCTION DESIGNER

At least Tim Russ looks authentic.

BTW they got this much right: re the grey hair on a 111-y/o Vulcan — Sarek in “Journey to Babel” was grey-haired at age 103.

31. ados - December 28, 2013

In what universe does someone where eyeglasses in Star Trek

32. Ahmed - December 28, 2013

@29. Marja
“In the very last shot there’s a woman wearing black-framed eyeglasses?!”

@30. ados – December 28, 2013
“In what universe does someone where eyeglasses in Star Trek”

Kirk has an eyeglasses in WOK

http://borgdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/shatner-birthday-present-from-kelley.jpg

33. Phil - December 28, 2013

Shouldn’t a teaser trailer…actually tease something? Besides…

A 24th century Bart Simpson scribbling something on the chalkboard
The Transformer title sequence at the end….
Gee…yet another unstoppable terror threatening to rip the Federation asunder…
More gratuitous Trek name dropping
Chekov. Great, another time travel, they don’t age, or hologram story..

Just another fan film…

34. Marja - December 28, 2013

Yes, Ahmed, Kirk does have eyeglasses in TWOK, I cannot forget that, and it’s only b/c he’s allergic to Retinax.

But this Renegades story happens about 180 years later. Surely they’d have come up with something by then. It was visually jarring. As were the false eyelashes on the prisoner. If she’s beautiful, she can be beautiful without them in a prison scene, for the sake of “realism” within the fiction.

The lead actress seems to have been chosen for looks and ‘strut’ vice acting chops, but on that I’ll wait and see. A preview doesn’t tell a lot.

Phil, copying “Invictus” over and over is probably mind- and will-sustaining stuff [the poem sustained Mandela for all his years in Robben Island prison], but I can see your point about visual things harkening to other unintended things.

And I agree the title business, yecch. Unnecessary, visually distracting. “Renegades,” maybe a flame wipeout of the “Star Trek” into “Renegades” but … sort of cliched either way.

Being that this is a preview and a “taste” for CBS to see if they want to pick it up and further develop it production-values and story-wise, perhaps it’ll be good enough. Certainly I’d replace the lead actress with someone who has a little more gravitas, just going by the 2-minute preview.

35. Cygnus-X1 - December 28, 2013

Looks good!

Especially for a fan film!

36. Ahmed - December 28, 2013

More info from the producers:

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Several new fans have joined and liked us recently and we have been getting quite a few questions about this project. Soooo….here are the answers to the top 10 frequently asked questions:

1. Chekov is 147 and that life span is not uncommon in the future.
2. This is the Prime Universe and takes place 10 years after Voyager returns to Earth.
3. We finished filming on October 16th and anticipate having it completed June/July 2014.
4. CBS owns the rights to Star Trek and we will pitch it to them in the summer. Our hope is that it will get picked up as a network or online series. If not, the pilot will eventually be available for download on you tube.
5. We raised the funds through Kinckstarter and Indigogo and we are still accepting donations for post production at http://www.startrekrenegades.com.
6. Our first teaser trailer was released on November 19th and can be viewed at …
7. We are the team behind Star Trek of Gods and Men and Roddenberry on Patrol which can be downloaded on you tube for free.
8. Several Star Trek alumni and sci-fi icons are in Renegades; click on link for full details. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt262144….
9. Our Captain Lexxa Singh is a descendant of Khan.
10. Star Trek fans are the greatest fans in the world and without their support, Renegades would not have been possible.

http://observationdeck.io9.com/star-trek-renegades-the-producers-answer-some-of-y-1482883504

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#9 .. Seriously ??? Is there no one else but Khannnnnnnnnn & his family in the whole Trek universe ??

37. Forest - December 28, 2013

Chekhov would still be alive since a citizens average life span in the trek universe is 140. He was only 17 when he first signed on to the crew. And the STTNG only took place about 75 years in the future. Uhura and Sulu wrre at the christening of The Enterprise D. Since Chekhov was the youngest crew member he would still be around. Any person who says ” Of Gods and Men was a crappy remake is not a true Trekkie or fan.

38. Hat Rick - December 28, 2013

Part of me is very sad to see the universe of Star Trek reduced to a “Terminator 2″ lookalike, even on a fan basis. Not only that, but there’s a hint of “Predator” in the trailer. It’s depressing.

Yes, I wish this film well, but … well, there it is.

39. PEB - December 28, 2013

I wish them well and hope this is does well online but to be honest, nothing in that trailer says Star Trek to me. Say what you will but New Voyages, ST Continues, and JJ’s films all at least feel like Trek or look like Trek. You know you’re watching Trek. Everything form the uniforms to well all of what I saw in this trailer made it feel much more like a B5/SGU crossover fan film. Star Trek Phoenix felt more like the fan series for future Trek but I dont know what happened to that one. It never got off the ground after that first episode that you can find online. Trek fan series definitely needs something that comes after the Hobus star exploding, something in the future. If it’s done well like Continues or New Voyages, I have no doubt you could get Marina Sirits, or Will Weaton or Levar or Michael Dorn to do a special guest spot. There are so many possibilities for what you could do but this felt like they took certain film styles from JJ’s movies and then ran with it for their own idea. The plot at least from what they’ve released as the plot doesn’t seem to call for a group of renegades to be put together. Seems like something they’d send the Enterprise out to deal with, with a team of scientists onboard or something to that nature. But the plot could and probably is much deeper than what’s been put out there. Again, I wish them well with this, it’s great to see some of the older actors. I just feel like it’s a missed opportunity, especially from Tim Russ who was vocal about JJ’s movies to begin with (while this seems darker than Into Darkness, and less traditional Trek than what purists have cried for).

40. Hat Rick - December 28, 2013

I’d have to say that there is a spark of creativity here that is quite admirable. But the first scene of the trailer subconsciously reminds me of Sarah Connor in “Terminator 2,” both in the psych ward scene and in the “There Is No Fate But What We Make” scribbling she scratched on a table later on in that movie. And then there is the mood lighting, which suits the Terminator universe, the Predator universe, and maybe as someone said, the B5 or StarGate universes quite well, but just doesn’t seem very Trekkian to me.

I do think that this might work well as an exploration of what would happen if the Federation did break down, but in this day and age, when it seems that the world is less equitable than ever before, and with so many millions in dire economic straits, I don’t know if this is the kind of film we really want to see, even if it does have a Hollywood ending.

The James Cameron movie “Avatar” had elements of darkness and grittiness in it, but also a very colorful, spiritual side that spoke to a lot of the audience. I think Cameron foresaw that we were tiring of the “dark universe” tableau that struck one more and more as cliche’, and hungered for something weird and wonderful, and uplifting.

I’m looking for something uplifting in Trek, not a pale version of “Event Horizon.”

And here’s the question that strikes me in the end: Who are the heroes in this film, anyway? Are there any?

41. Ahmed - December 28, 2013

@38. Hat Rick

“The James Cameron movie “Avatar” had elements of darkness and grittiness in it, but also a very colorful, spiritual side that spoke to a lot of the audience. I think Cameron foresaw that we were tiring of the “dark universe” tableau that struck one more and more as cliche’, and hungered for something weird and wonderful, and uplifting.”

Agreed, hope that Bob & co will write something uplifting next time.

42. MJ - December 28, 2013

Fat fan actors kissing, aliens mumbling like the Godfather, old Trek actors mailing in their roles….

I can hardly NOT wait.

PS: And it looks more like a Stargate Atlantis fan movie than anything related to Star Trek.

PS2: That Chase Masterson scifi thing looked a million times better than this.

43. ST:EXP - December 28, 2013

Why are so many people so outwardly hostile and rude?

This production might not be everyone’s cup of tea, but you’d think taking the time to read and comment on a Star Trek website means you’re a fan.

“Fat fan actors kissing”…..

Just another one of several anonymous cowards posting. If you had to reveal your identity or attach your IP address publicly to your comments, you’d be singing a different tune.

Lots of people on this forum clearly brimming with anger and rage.

Meanwhile, whether it’s good or bad… I embrace that soon in 2014 I’ll get to see another Trek production that a group of people were motivated to go out and produce.

As opposed to the useless trollers here who produce NUUUH-THING (read it the way DeNiro would say it)

44. Jack - December 28, 2013

F*ck the negativity here. Jesus f**king Christ.

45. Jack - December 28, 2013

And Trek doesn’t need to be uplifting — what TOS episodes were uplifting? It’s a movie — there needs to be conflict and drama for Pete’s sake.

46. MJ - December 28, 2013

@43

Go ahead and post your full name, IP address and phone number then, tough guy. Come on, I’m waiting?

The truth is, you wouldn’t respond in the manner your are responding here to mine and other posts if you were not anonymous as well.

But feel free to prove me wrong and post your real name, ID and phone number here if you want to show us all that you are really sincere in your vitriol here?

47. MJ - December 28, 2013

My opinion is that this production just looks horrid, and doesn’t look like the Star Trek that I know and love.

That is my opinion. Sorry if some find it offensive.

48. I am Roger Corby! - December 28, 2013

^44:

Please, even if you do not believe yourself, do not take the name of *my* God in vain. It hurts – a lot. Seriously, IDIC.

Peace.

49. fansincesixtynine - December 28, 2013

Thank you @48! Well said.

50. ST:EXP - December 28, 2013

@46

Is there a way I can contact you directly without publicly committing my info to every search engine on the internet?

Then I’ll be very happy to get directly involved in your life, on my terms.

51. MJ - December 28, 2013

“Then I’ll be very happy to get directly involved in your life, on my terms.”

Not what I had in mind.

How about if I apologize for being overly sarcastic in my critical post of this production.

I just don’t see why we need this dark looking Star Trek fan production. It’s not welcome by me. But I apologize for being overly harsh.

52. Phil - December 28, 2013

Useless trollers? News flash, buddy, the internet is awash in fan fiction, usually written by people who always seem to believe they can ‘do better’.

Most folks here understand the difference between professional and amateur productions, and also know that just become someone who is a professional lends themselves to an amateur production, it’s still just that.

Why the hostility? Don’t know, except that for whatever reason, supporters of a fan feature seem to think they’ll get to ‘pitch’ this to CBS, when they probably won’t even get to score an appointment. Delusional, to say the least. The sad thing is, unlike other fan productions that self finance, a bunch of people got fleeced through Kickstarter.

53. ST:EXP - December 28, 2013

And I willingly apologize for being overly confrontational.

Everyone appreciates the diversity of opinions. Commenting on stuff in a fan forum needs to be critical and it’s good to call out productions if they “turn out” to be crap.

It would suck and be boring if everyone was a cheerleader for every product just because it had “Star Trek” stamped on it.

Please understand the hair on my back raises when I see people working hard on something and being verbally (text-based) kicked in the teeth for it.

Despite my own guilt in my life at probably having had silent fun at a fat persons expense…. I have an equally weak moment of mentally snapping when some poor sap in a Star Trek fan-film is being centered out like that (or stuff in that vein).

Too much hatred on the internet for my tastes lately.

Maybe I should just curl up in a ball in the fetal position and leave the world of online forums to those with the thicker skin that I’ve apparently lost.

54. Dave in RI - December 28, 2013

@30. ados – December 28, 2013

“In what universe does someone where eyeglasses in Star Trek”

——————

Possibly in a Universe where someone is perhaps allergic to Retinax-V?

Seriously, in the original “Cage” pilot, the assistant to the transporter chief briefly wore glasses.

55. Marja - December 28, 2013

Correction to my above post in which I said this takes place over 180 years after TOS. Make that 80 years.

But even in 80 years, I’m sure there would be a correction to the Retinax allergy problem :-)

I am posting my critique here in case anyone from the production is reading. It is not meant as a “tear down,” it’s meant as a critique for a production that aspires to be professional, not fannish in nature.

I do join with others in protesting the phraseology about “fat fan actors,” MJ … I’m sure if fan productions could afford svelte Hollywood types or young professional actors, they’d get them.

I do, however, echo your sentiments, MJ, on the “another dark Hollywood production” … whither Star Trek … OUT of Darkness, I do hope.

56. Red Dead Ryan - December 28, 2013

Let’s be clear here: this fan production will not be given the green light as an official web or tv series by CBS. “Renegades” just doesn’t feel like Trek to me,and I find it interesting that a few anti-nuTrek folks are already proclaiming this fanflick (of which we have only seen a few minutes of) better than the Abrams movies. STID may be dark, but unlike this fan flick, it still feels like Trek to me, has better acting and production values, and is highly entertaining despite some serious flaws.

57. Red Dead Ryan - December 28, 2013

There also won’t likely be enough viewers or advertisements to keep this afloat. This will only appeal to a small hardcore demographic, and everyone else will simply devote their time and interest to something different and better.

58. Marja - December 28, 2013

To be fair, I think the poor production values, costumes and acting are a result of operating from a low budget.

But I think you’re right, RDR, it’s doubtful CBS would pick this up. Unless they’re in a quirky mood.

59. Captain Slow - December 28, 2013

Okay, I can see how Chekov could still be alive, but remember how McCoy looked in Encounter at Farpoint. Chekov doesn’t look 150 in the trailer. He looks like Walter Koenig looks right now.

While I applaud the efforts of the Renegades team for trying to bring Star Trek back, there’s just no way it will work. Aside from the fact that J.J. has said that CBS isn’t interested, I don’t think they would want to make a series set in the Prime universe designed to appeal to Voyager fans. And I say this as a Voyager fan. I don’t get excited about something because it has Icheb in it. Show that it’s going to be a quality product. The fact that it’s got actors we’ve seen before is unimportant.

I will hold-off judging it until it’s done, but right now I’m far more excited for the completion of Exeter which appears to be coming in April.

60. BatlethInTheGroin - December 28, 2013

#48: Goddammit, you religious types sure are melodramatic.

61. BatlethInTheGroin - December 28, 2013

I don’t know who the producers think they’re fooling, but CBS won’t even watch this, let alone greenlight it. There is NO chance of it ever being picked up as a series. None whatsoever. It’s fanfic, nothing more.

62. Blue Thunder - December 28, 2013

With Vic Mignogna involved. This is going to be a dud!

63. Hat Rick - December 29, 2013

First of all, thanks for agreeing with me, Ahmed.

Second of all, I would have to say that there is, indeed, no call for harsh criticism of this fan production, in my opinion. In fact, I think my own comment, that it seems like a pale imitation of “Event Horizon,” gets uncomfortably close to unnecessary roughness, and I sort of regret making it. Some of the tendency toward criticism comes from the use of hyperbole, and there is a time and a place for that. But perhaps, sometimes, we forget that there are real people reading this stuff, and that few of us can claim the skills of a Rex Reed or Pauline Kael, let’s say, when, in playing the critic, we employ the hyperbole and snarkiness for which such may be known. They’re pros; we’re not.

There’s obviously a lot of heart and dedication that went into this production, and let’s remember that some of us — me included — are making judgments primarily based on a couple of trailers. Perhaps there are, in fact, uplifting scenes in the production that we haven’t yet seen. Perhaps the ending is as hopeful as we all want Trek to be.

(An addendum: Much criticism of anything is really a mirror held up to our own faces. Sometimes, when we don’t like what we see of ourselves, we criticize it in others. And when that happens, neither the results nor the critic look very good. And thus endeth my pop psych lesson of the day.)

To the producers: Keep on Trekkin’. It’s good to know you care enough about Trek to do what you do.

64. I Have No Mouth, So I Can't Scream - December 29, 2013

DO NOT WANT

65. Oscar - December 29, 2013

Ok, nu trekkers do not love renegades because is a trek series in the original timeline…and they only want nu trek timeline. This is their problem: Stark Trek 2016 is the last nu trek film. So, original timeline is NOT the past of star trek, it is the past, the present and the future.Web series, great novels, comic books, star trek on line, huge merchandasing, and if cbs makes a new tv series, they will make it in the original timeline. Because this is its business, because it is the most important sci universe ever, and you do NOT waste a treasure.
Abramsverse is only a short live business .Original timeline is a myth. A classic. Renegades is made by people who love Star Trek. This the secret of the original timeline: people love it because for them is NOT only business.

66. Captain Slow - December 29, 2013

@ 63 Oscar

There’s nothing to suggest that the next movie will be the last one. In fact quadrilogies seem to be the new thing. Spiderman and Avatar are going to have four movies in their series, so why not Star Trek? Chris Pine is in contract for another two movies, not just one. And even when this series is done, I don’t see them ever going back to the Prime universe. My guess is that they would do a complete reboot of TOS.

67. Oscar - December 29, 2013

64
My point:they will reboot abramsverse because is only a short live business.And only 3 movies.
But the original timeline will not be rebooted. CBS does not want. You do NOT destroy a treasure. You profit from it. You make a fuss of it. Disney did not reboot star wars. And CBS will not reboot the original timeline, the more important sci fi universe and a huge business:
http://www.thetrekcollective.com/p/2014-star-trek-publication-schedule.html

68. Captain Slow - December 29, 2013

Please provide some evidence for it only lasting three movies. As with a lot of other things, the only person to ever suggest the series lasting just three movies was Damon Lindelof who is no longer working on them. Chris Pine is in contract for another two movies, and two other franchises are planning to have four movies.

Here is how Paramount will view things:

Nemesis (last Prime universe movie): $60 million
Into Darkness: $460 million

There is no way around that. As much as I love old Star Trek there is no way it will ever come back. The new movies are far more profitable than the old ones. Any new series will have to be set in the JJverse. It’s the only way they will get general audiences to watch. And what’s wrong with that? The Original Series wasn’t made for existing Star Trek fans. It was made for the masses. By going back to it’s roots they’ve made Star Trek more successful than ever.

69. BatlethInTheGroin - December 29, 2013

#63: Oscar, you are incorrect on several points. The Abramsverse is NOT being rebooted after three films, and the original timeline is not going to be restored. And if you think it’s only fans of the Abrams films who are trashing Renegades, then you’re deluded. ***Many*** people simply feel it looks cheaply made and amateurish, which it does, and it’s sad to see the TV series’ actors so desperate for work. But there is NO chance that CBS will ever pick up Renegades or any other fanfic series. None.

70. Captain Slow - December 29, 2013

Well I don’t think I’d say that it looks cheaply made. Some things like the Cardassian make-up looks good. My problem is that in these trailers anyway the writing and acting don’t look particularly good and the tone seems too depressing.

71. Ensign RedShirt - December 29, 2013

Oscar, Captain Slow, BatleInTheGroin -

Bad Robot, as well as the entire cast, are on three picture deals, which expire after the next one. After that, everyone’s contracts will have to be renegotiated at much higher rates, which would drive the budgets of ensuing films ridiculously high. There’s a very good chance that the next film will be the last one featuring this entire cast completely intact. Whether that would ultimately necessitate a total reboot, who knows…

72. Greg Price - December 29, 2013

Paramount has already indicated that the budget for the next JJ-verse film (if one is made) will be cut, so I don’t see how they will be able to re-sign the cast for future movies.

I hate to say this, but outside mega-blockbusters like the Marvel films, the day of an actor playing the same part in film after film after film after film is over.

As for CBS and TV, isn’t Paramount putting it’s TV studio operation back together? Viacom is re-organizing (again) and CBS may lose Trek…which would suit me just fine because Les “I hate Sci-Fi” Moonives is the WORST possible guy to have overseeing anything Trek.

73. Michael Hall - December 29, 2013

#51 and #53–

Just want to say how much I admire the both of you for ending that exchange the way you did. It should be an inspiration to us all, particularly those of us who as Trek fans regularly pay lip service to hoping for a better future. That definitely won’t happen without us being better people.

As to the infinitely less important subject of ST: Renegades, I find myself largely in agreement with #2′s assessment so far. I wish the producers all the best, and will give it an honest viewing upon release.

74. BatlethInTheGroin - December 29, 2013

#69: None of that is relevant to my post, so I’m not sure why you mentioned me. I was dismissing Oscar’s claim that the original timeline will be restored after the next film. Obviously, that’s not the case.

75. Oscar - December 29, 2013

66.
And Jason Momoa had contract for three Conan’ s movies…and Jessica Alba for three F4 films…but they did not make them…
Nemesis production budget $ 60 millions. Into Darkness: $ 190 millions (total budget :240 million)
Nemesis was released in 14 countries. Into Darkness in 53 countries. China included.
Into Darkness was released in 3868 theaters in US, Nemesis in 2711.
Into Darkness earned more money? Obviously. But, what if Nemesis released in 53 countries, China included?
Paramount is Paramount, and CBS is CBS. And CBS business is the original timeline. A huge business. Orci and Abrams wanted to do a nu trek series, and CBS said nope. Abrams wanted to replace TOS merchandasing by nu trek merchandising. CBS said nope. They wanted nu trek ongoing novels, CBS said nope. Only original timeline ongoing novels.
Original timeline is the past , the present and the future of STAR TREK. If CBS make a new trek series will be in the original timeline line.
Wait and see.
And if they can reboot Nolan’ s Batman o Raimi’ s spider man, they surely can reboot the Abramsverse…

76. Ensign RedShirt - December 29, 2013

#71 -

How is it not relevant? You claim here is no way the Abrams universe will get rebooted, when there’s a definite chance that it will, a la Nolan’s Batman series. I completely agree with you, though, about returning to Prime. No chance. They’ll either continue with the Abrams timeline or move on to another one.

77. oscar - December 29, 2013

No chance why? Because nu treks do not want a new star trek in the original timeline? This is a business and the real money is in the original timeline.
Star trek original timeline business right now: star trek on line, novels, some of them best sellers, other books, conventions, tv series in DVD and blue disc, comics, toys, and a huge huge merchandasing and an army of trek items.

Abramsverse, 2 films ,DVD -blue disc, ongoing star trek comic books and some bits of merchandasing.But Abramsverse merchandasing is a ruin ( ongoing comic books, too, 12.000 copies in november…)
The real money in star trek is the original timeline. Paramount will not earn money with star trek in 2014, or 2015…CBS, yes.
If they make a new tv series, it will be in the original timeline ( maybe in 25 th century) because is a huge and perennial business. A blockbuster is a short live business. Do you remember Sarah Connors tv series? CBS does. Terminator in big screen with Arnold, success. Terminator universe in tv ,epic fail. Marvel cinematic universe super success, SHIELD …epic fail.

78. Blue Thunder - December 29, 2013

With Vic Mignogna being involved(playing a Cardassian no less), this is going to be a dud. The only reason why Walter Koenig, Tim Russ, and some other Voyager veterans are involved is because they can’t seem to get hired on in the industry for other acting work.

What is really funny is that Walter Koenig said good-bye to the character of Pavel Chekov in D.C. Fontana’s well-written Star Trek – New Voyages/Phase II episode ‘To Serve All My Days’. Now, he does an about face and returns to the role many years later.

Man, he has definately changed since the death of his son, and NOT for the better.

It still amazes me that fellow Louisvillian Sean Young(of Blade Runner)is also involved. Looks like she got her wish, being a Star Trek fan.

The only good things I’ve noticed about this soon to be misfire from Sky Conway are John Corrigan, Richard Herd, Corin Nemec, and Herbert Jefferson, Jr.

The rest seems like a cheap high school play production.

79. focuspuller - December 29, 2013

Why is Checkov no longer rocking the Monkeys wig?

80. Red Dead Ryan - December 29, 2013

Oscar,

Hey Einstein, you happen to lack credibility justifying returning to the prime universe by comparing “Into Darkness” with “Nemesis”. The former is the most successful Trek movie ever, and the latter was a total bomb, and the main reason for the reboot.

The two reboot movies have expanded Trek’s popularity worldwide. Why would they return to a timeline that had become convoluted makes no sense whatsoever. The Abramsverse is whwere its at now.

Oscar, you need to face the facts here. The original timeline is done, on the big screen and on tv, at least. Done.

81. Ahmed - December 29, 2013

If ST 2016 turned out to be a better movie in term of the story & character development, then it would be a good idea to continue with the same cast & crew & make more movies.
If on the other hand, they gave us a mindless action movie with another BIG BLACK SPACESHIP, then Paramount should move on, fire them all & get a whole new team.

With the exception of one interview with a British tabloid newspaper, there is no confirmation that Pine singed on for 2 more movies after STID. Paramount will most likely wait until they see the numbers of ST2016 & then make their mind about keeping the cast or not.

82. MJ - December 29, 2013

@81

That English paper had an actual interview with Pine, in which Pine let it slip that he had signed on for two more movies, then he said something like, “whoops, I shouldn’t have said that.” You can try to mischaracterize this all you want with your inference here that this was some misstated tabloid journalism, but I have accepted this, and I am convinced it is authentic.

Draw your own conclusion as you must, but just wait and see — I am confident that I will be proven right once again on this one.

….this is just like Anthony breaking the Khan Story in April 2012 with nobody except of us handful of us here accepting that story.

83. MJ - December 29, 2013

@77 “If they make a new tv series, it will be in the original timeline ( maybe in 25 th century)”

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

84. Ahmed - December 29, 2013

@82. MJ

“That English paper had an actual interview with Pine, in which Pine let it slip that he had signed on for two more movies, then he said something like, “whoops, I shouldn’t have said that.” You can try to mischaracterize this all you want with your inference here that this was some misstated tabloid journalism, but I have accepted this, and I am convinced it is authentic.”

It was just one source, a tabloid newspaper of all things !! I don’t know about you, but I usually don’t trust any news from a single source. There need to be at least 2 other sources to confirm that story, otherwise, it is not verifiable.

85. BatlethInTheGroin - December 29, 2013

Oscar wrote:

“If they make a new tv series, it will be in the original timeline ( maybe in 25 th century) because is a huge and perennial business.”

There is NO chance whatsoever of this happening.

“Do you remember Sarah Connors tv series? CBS does.”

Yes, they do–which is why the same team is now creating a new Terminator TV series.

86. Hat Rick - December 29, 2013

When, oh when, oh when, dear friends, are they gonna announce that the third AbramsTrek sequel has been greenlighted? I mean, come ON! It’s been more than seven MONTHS since STID! Going on eight months!

I write this because there’s never any news about it on TrekMovie and I can’t believe these people are taking so long to make up their minds. I think that ST3 is technically still “in development’ even though Abrams has said he’ll produce (but not direct) and they’re actively looking for a director (not the “Attack the Block” guy, apparently).

And yes I know the main cast are contracted for another movie but I don’t think the production company is actually bound to make it. They can simply release the cast from their contracts, one would think.

So is it de facto greenlighted, or what?

The suspense is unbearable!

87. Ahmed - December 29, 2013

@86. Hat Rick

Paramount greenlighted the project, that why they hired the two new kids to help Bob with the script. They are just taking their time, as usual, to hire a new director & finish the script.

88. MJ - December 29, 2013

@84

It wasn’t like they were trying to create a “tabloid sensational story” out of it…you seem to be inferring this?

And it was not a story, it was an interview with Chris Pine, and his slip up wasn’t even treated by the paper like it was something sensational.

Doubt it at your own peril. We’ve been down this road before and we all know how that turned out.

Pine is signed for 2 more movies — I am 99.9% certain.

89. Enterprisingguy - December 29, 2013

I’m surprised as well, Hat Rick. The sequel for the first movie was greenlite almost as soon as the first movie hit the theater. That’s how it was with the Transformers movies. They cranked those out every two years. I hope that they don’t end up taking so long to find a director and then a script (anyone remember the hotel sequester that only netted some “planking” photos?) that we end up missing the 50th anniversary in 2016.

90. MJ - December 29, 2013

“When, oh when, oh when, dear friends, are they gonna announce that the third AbramsTrek sequel has been greenlighted? I mean, come ON! It’s been more than seven MONTHS since STID! Going on eight months!”

It’s weird that you and others get so hung up on this formal “greenlighting” thing. It is not needed here, as the sequel is obviously in development already.

You and Ahmed need to learn to research a bit more what you read, use your brains to assess what you read, and not depend so much on official information that may or may not available.

91. MJ - December 29, 2013

“That’s how it was with the Transformers movies. They cranked those out every two years.”

Yea, “Transformers movies.” We saw how great that worked. LOL

92. Alex Prewitt - December 29, 2013

I can’t believe I’m somewhat in agreement with Christopher Brent. While I appreciate fan films in general, and have enjoyed several of the performers in the film in other works, this looks atrocious. OGAM was painful for me to watch, and this looks like more of the same.

93. Hat Rick - December 29, 2013

I’m a stickler for formality, MJ. So yes, I want a formal announcement that there will be a sequel. “In development” sounds like it could be code for “in development hell,” which isn’t what we want for our favorite franchise.

And if you don’t believe I’m a formalist, then simply send a letter to my social calendar clerk, who upon such written request shall inform my butler to set a reminder for me to think of a way to prove it to you in a fortnight. But please — not before teatime.

94. Captain Slow - December 29, 2013

Just to add a bit more fuel to the fire of the argument over which universe is more successful, I believe that the two J.J. films are have made more money than all four TNG movies combined. Plus, STID was the best-selling blu-ray when it came out, despite its lack of extras.

No one will throw that away just to satisfy people who can’t accept anything new.

95. Ahmed - December 29, 2013

@90. MJ,

“You and Ahmed need to learn to research a bit more what you read, use your brains to assess what you read, and not depend so much on official information that may or may not available.”

lol, coming from a guy who is 99.9% certain that Pine singed on for two movies just because it was reported in ONE interview with just ONE newspaper, a British tabloid !!

96. Ahmed - December 29, 2013

@ 93. Hat Rick – December 29, 2013

“And if you don’t believe I’m a formalist, then simply send a letter to my social calendar clerk, who upon such written request shall inform my butler to set a reminder for me to think of a way to prove it to you in a fortnight. But please — not before teatime.”

LOL

97. BatlethInTheGroin - December 29, 2013

The biggest problem with this video isn’t which reality it takes place in–it’s that the trailer is badly written, acted and edited, and looks like a high school dram club performance. It looks to be as bad as so many other Trek fan films, and it’s discomforting to see people like Walter Koenig attached to projects like this.

98. Oscar - December 29, 2013

Abrams wanted to produce a trek series in the new timeline, he wanted to replace TOS merchandasing by nu trek merchandasing, and they wanted ongoing novels in the nu trek universe. CBS said nope, nope, nope.And Paramount wanted a true reboot, and CBS said nope.
Why? Because CBS is not interested in the Abramsverse. They know it is only a short short live business. They protect their business. Their treasure. The original timeline.
I see, you cannot handle this thruth: the next trek series will be in the original timeline, No matter. Wait and see. Abramsverse ,one to say adios, ciao,adieu, farewell to arms.
Ah…STID total budget $250.000.000 (According to boxoffice.com)
Total domestic gross: 228.000.000
It means, in US STID lost money.

99. MJ - December 29, 2013

Ahmed, you can keep YELLING “Tabloid” all you want, but that doesn’t change the fact of the situation. Again, as I said earlier regarding this:

“That English paper had an actual interview with Pine, in which Pine let it slip that he had signed on for two more movies, then he said something like, “whoops, I shouldn’t have said that. It wasn’t like they were trying to create a “tabloid sensational story” out of it…you seem to be inferring this? And it was not a story, it was an interview with Chris Pine, and his slip up wasn’t even treated by the paper like it was something sensational.”

Keeping running around YELLING “tabloid” all you want…I have a long memory, and am confident that will have another one of my famous “I told you so’s” for you in the future on this one.

Fool you twice — shame on you! :-)

100. Ahmed - December 29, 2013

@99. MJ

My point is this, it was reported in one & only one newspaper. No one else reported it or asked Pine about it. Neither the Hollywood Reporter nor Variety reported it.

You are free of course to believe a story from one source. As for me, I will wait until other sources confirmed it.

101. BatlethInTheGroin - December 29, 2013

#98: You’re delusional, dude.

102. MJ - December 29, 2013

“Ah…STID total budget $250.000.000 (According to boxoffice.com)
Total domestic gross: 228.000.000
It means, in US STID lost money.”

Hey Mensa, what kind of math is that when you compare the entire budget for STID to the domestics market sales only, and then claim the movie thus lost money?

Is that “Moron Math”, “Dumass Algebra,” or perhaps “dikhead geometry”?

LOL. Go sharpen your pencil, Einstein, and bring your A-game next time. :-))

103. K-7 - December 29, 2013

I never thought I would say this, but after seeing just how atrocious Oscar’s math is, it actually makes me appreciate Curious Cadet’s inept attempts at math. Oscar makes CC look like Euclid.

;-)

104. Darkthunder - December 29, 2013

@59: Chekov is supposedly 147 in Rengeades right? McCoy was 137 in Encounter at Farpoint, and he looked ancient by comparison to Chekov’s 147 years of age. But consider this;

Renegades takes place 10 years post-Voyager, which makes it some 15 years post-Insurrection. For all we know, Starfleet made arrangements with the Ba’ku to research metaphasic radiation, in order to slow the progress of aging. Add to that, the likelyhood of ADMIRAL Chekov gaining some access to this research/technology, and BOOM you have you explanation for why Chekov looks “younger” than McCoy did when he was 10 years younger than Chekov is now.

Why are people so quick to critique things, yet have no interest in using their imagination to explain why things might be the way they are? This is sci-fi after all. It’s not supposed to necessarily make sense in the same way we regard reality at current.

105. Lurker - December 29, 2013

Oscar – do yourself a favor and head over to Box Office Mojo and look up the All Time Worldwide Box Office Grosses. Just take a quick look and notice the percentage of domestic gross vs overseas gross. Do you notice a trend? The overwhelming majority of box office take is from overseas – look at the top 50 movies – only 3 movies had a higher percentage of their total gross be from the US. Only 3.

STID had 51% of its total gross come from overseas. Do I think Paramount is disappointed it only made $228 mil US? Yes, i do. But I also think Paramount is happy that the majority of its total gross is from the overseas market – Star Trek is FINALLY following the trend of the big box office movies and having a higher percentage of its gross come from overseas.

The two Abrams Trek movies have made over 850 million worldwide – you’re not going to get an original timeline series set in the 25th century that nobody but only a select few will follow from start to finish. You are going to get Hollywood movies with Kirk, Spock, and the rest of the original crew because that is what sells, and that is what the public is familiar with.

It’s all quite simple really.

106. DiscoSpock - December 29, 2013

Oscar,

Maybe think about taking a day or two off from that crack pipe?

107. Red Dead Ryan - December 29, 2013

I believe that this Oscar fellow is the grouch who lives in a garbage can on Sesame Street.

I’m going to refer to him as Oscar The Grouch from now on.

:-)

108. MJ - December 29, 2013

“I never thought I would say this, but after seeing just how atrocious Oscar’s math is, it actually makes me appreciate Curious Cadet’s inept attempts at math. Oscar makes CC look like Euclid.”

Yes, indeed! CC at least knows his integers. LOL

109. Ensign RedShirt - December 29, 2013

Oscar -

Dude, that’s some pretty dubious math, in this or any other timeline. I understand your love for the Prime universe, but it’s time to move on. The franchise needed a refresh. In fact, it was overdue.

Captain Slow -

That’s false equivalence re: TNG grosses vs. Abrams grosses. TNG production budgets were $199 million COMBINED. The two Abrams pictures cost $340 million. Even if you adjust for inflation, the numbers don’t come close. They were also targeting different audiences. The TNG films were made for the fanbase almost exclusively. The Abrams films are big event popcorn pictures targeted at attracting a wider audience.

Also – unless you have actual unit numbers for home video and can compare them against other films of the same kind, coming in first doesn’t mean much. The way Paramount marketed the blu rays was a disgrace.

110. Hat Rick - December 29, 2013

Aw, gee…. Now I’m starting to feel kinda sad for the producers of this fan production. They posted a note on their Facebook page telling readers that TrekMovie.com has done an article on Renegades, and now there are a bunch of us sort of ragging on the picture on the basis of the latest trailer.

If it were me and I was involved in the production, I would have a funny feeling in the pit of my stomach right now.

Look — we’re Trek fans. We expect perfection and we expect that our opinions are the only ones that count, and no one else’s. So, the fact that there’s a bit of mudslinging here and there, well, that’s par for the course. It only means that we think you’re one of us, and you should know better.

If you never knew what you were getting into when you did this thing, you sure as heck do now. But, as Star Trek fans, I suspect you did know. So, buck up.

Saddle up, as Data said in one of those TNG episodes or movies. (Or did he? I can’t remember, really.) And let’s go out into the great unknown — out there.

111. Who cares - December 29, 2013

When folks are considering Chekov’s age they should take the following real life information into account. There are people on Earth right now who are over 110 years of age. The world record for oldest person is a person who died at 122 years of age.

Given that this show takes place 10 years after Voyager in roughly 2388 I do not find it odd at all that he is still alive. Frankly I expect the life expectancy of Federation citizens to around 175 on average.

112. Red Dead Ryan - December 29, 2013

The makers of “Renegades”, in particular Tim Russ and Walter Koenig, need to understand if they put something out on the web, they face the potential of criticism by the very fans they are targetting. To start whining about the fans on Facebook shows me these guys aren’t dealing in reality, or don’t tolerate dissent. Either way, it is highly unprofessional and makes them seem petulant.

If they want people to watch their production, they have to acknowldge the crticisms that fans may have, otherwise, there can’t and won’t be any improvements made to the production.

113. Jonboc - December 29, 2013

Of Gods and Men was a stinker and this looks to be of equal caliber. A low budget home video project starring C-list convention guests funded by….drum roll….everyone else’s donations!! Pass.

114. BatlethInTheGroin - December 29, 2013

The Abrams films have been VERY successful. Anyone who thinks either Paramount or CBS will go back to the prime universe any time soon is not operating on all thrusters. Voyager was a critical failure even if it ran for seven years–many saw (and still see) it as a horrible show. Enterprise was canceled three years early for failing to find an audience. Insurrection disappointed a lot of people. And Nemesis was a huge flop. Star Trek was dead in the water until Abrams came along, and now it’s relevant again–and making tons of money in the process. I’m not sure where Oscar is getting his info from (it could be a language barrier issue), but the Abramsverse is here to stay. That much is patently obvious to anyone with half a brain.

115. Ahmed - December 29, 2013

@ 112. Red Dead Ryan – December 29, 2013

“The makers of “Renegades”, in particular Tim Russ and Walter Koenig, need to understand if they put something out on the web, they face the potential of criticism by the very fans they are targetting. To start whining about the fans on Facebook shows me these guys aren’t dealing in reality, or don’t tolerate dissent. Either way, it is highly unprofessional and makes them seem petulant.”

Who said they are “whining” ? They just posted a note on their Facebook about the article here on trekmovie.

Let us all remember that the project is not out yet. I agree that the trailer look bad but we need to wait & see the whole pilot before we make a judgment.

116. BatlethInTheGroin - December 29, 2013

#112: Huh? Who said anything about Russ or Koenig whining about fans? No one has claimed that.

117. BatlethInTheGroin - December 29, 2013

Yo, have ya’ll seen the melodrama going on at TrekWeb.com’s FB page today? Some bro named Vance quit as editor (I never knew this guy existed—-I thought Gustav Leo was in charge), and Vance decided to insult everyone when he left instead of being an adult about it. Folks are now accusing him of stealing content from TrekCore and other websites and posting it as his own words. From what people are saying, he was a weak writer and a plagiarist so I guess TrekWeb is better off w/o him. But it’s getting ugly and fans are talkin about it. I wouldn’t be surprised if Steve K. removes the page entirely. So childish.

118. RenderedToast - December 29, 2013

Oh god this is so embarrassing. That alien can’t even talk through his prothetics and the whole thing reeks of aping the style of the Abrams films without any of the substance – just alumni with nothing better to do looking for a cheque. I turned it off when the (lead?) woman starting doing that “sexy one-foot-in-front-of-the-other walk” that EVERY woman who is supposedly “bad-ass” in a film has to do.

Also, #117 – good riddance to TrekWeb. That place has been a joke for years.

119. Pinky N. DaBrain - December 29, 2013

#118: Agreed. This looks horrible, and TrekWeb, other than the comic and bluray reviews, has been crap for quite some time.

120. K-7 - December 29, 2013

“RenderedToast ”

Like we am suppose to belive you are legitimate “new poster” here?

LOL

Come on man, what’s your usual identity here? (Spocks Bangs?) You are not going to fool anyone — it’s so obvious that you are a regular.

121. Red Dead Ryan - December 29, 2013

#119.

I just wonder if his “brother” BurntToast is going to show up too?

:-)

122. Ahmed - December 29, 2013

@ 117. BatlethInTheGroin – December 29, 2013

“Yo, have ya’ll seen the melodrama going on at TrekWeb.com’s FB page today?”

I think they took the page off, can’t find it anymore on Facebook1

123. MJ - December 29, 2013

@121

Ahmed, there are still a couple of days left in this year for your Orci thing to be eclipsed as the most exciting “Trek fan fight” event of the year. Maybe this will push you into 2nd place?

;-)

124. Ahmed - December 29, 2013

@122. MJ

lol, too bad that they took the page off before I get to read what was happening there :)

It is kinda sad that most of Trek sites are having serious problems. Trekweb with this issue with their editor. Trekmovie when the owner went AWOL for months, but it is doing better now thanks to Matt.

125. Blue Thunder - December 29, 2013

C-list convention guests funded by everyone else’s donations. Drama on TrekWeb.com and their facebook. Acts of plagarism. Weak writing.

If I didn’t know better, I’d swear Vic and his business partners at Farragut Films were up to their old antics, again.

Where does the conflict and in-fighting in Star Trek fandom end?

All that aside, Sky Conway can certainly be added to that list of problems involving Star Trek fan films and other frustrating issues. His first foray, after watching it, one Of Gods And Men, could have been something special. Unfortunately, Conway’s mishandling of the material was certainly shown in some areas of production and direction.

And now we come to Star Trek – Renegades. A production that looks as twice as bad, despite the fact that there are some professional actors involved.

I’m afraid it is more than just Star Trek sites that are having its share of problems. It seems that productions of certain Star Trek fan films are having their share of problems as well.

Problems, conflicts, and issues that people like Vic Mignogna, Sky Conway, Rick Berman, Brannon Braga, and those at Farragut Films seem to relish and thrive on for some unknown reason.

And the end results being lousy low grade productions like Renegades, Star Trek Continues, and Starship Farragut.

Not a pretty picture displaying the Star trek universe from the looks of it.

126. Hat Rick - December 29, 2013

Let me make something very clear: I wrote,

“They posted a note on their Facebook page telling readers that TrekMovie.com has done an article on Renegades, and now there are a bunch of us sort of ragging on the picture on the basis of the latest trailer.”

The better way to say this, to avoid confusion, would be,

“They posted a note on their Facebook page telling readers that TrekMovie.com has done an article on Renegades.

But, now I think I see bunch of us sort of ragging on the picture on the basis of the latest trailer.”

I wrote the original sentence in a very casual and conversational tone. The producers did not, in any way, complain on Facebook about criticism and my words should not be taken that way. As Ahmed said and correctly read my sentence, they had merely posted a note that there was an article on TrekMovie about their production. That was the extent of it, (other than saying that TrekMovie was a good site for news). It was I — not the producers or anyone else — that was saying that I observed that there are a number of us complaining. Sorry for any confusion the original statement may have caused.

127. Hat Rick - December 30, 2013

Concerning internecine conflicts among Trek fans, I’m not surprised.

Human nature is human nature, and when there are a significant number of strongly motivated people with differing visions assembled in pursuit of fame, then there will be conflict. There are only a few resolutions to such conflicts, and they revolve around the ideas of self-management, on one hand, or management from above. Since there is no “above” in the fan community, it’s all the more important that a consensus be reached lest these conflicts get out of hand. Consensus can be reached among fans, at least, if not among the disputatious parties.

I’d suggest that, unfortunately, most of us are not “evolved” enough to try to reach a consensus. Or, rather, maybe our tendencies in the 21st Century is to “get your point out” and “argue” until the other side presumably caves in or gives up. That’s a feature of Internet culture and a part of the so-called “marketplace” of ideas. Conflict in this way is actually encouraged.

So, if self-management doesn’t work, and if consensus is difficult for cultural reasons, then we’re all in a bit of a pickle, so to speak.

After all these years, I’m pessimistic about the prospects of achieving any sort of unity in Trek fandom. We may think we’re smart, but we’re simply not smart enough to do that.

128. Daniel - December 30, 2013

More Trek is better than No Trek. I’m happy for the chance to see this. Plus we have more coming out from Phase II and Star Trek Continues, and we might be seeing Star Trek: Axanar before the end of 2014. It’s gonna be a good year!

129. P Technobabble - December 30, 2013

127. Hat Rick

You’re not just right, you’re also speaking the truth.

130. Daniel - December 30, 2013

STID made money but it was not widely profitable by any means. The actors have only one more film on their contracts, and if their rates go way up, I could easily see a new cast in the original universe once again.

131. Mr. Anonymous - December 30, 2013

Um, if you’re more excited about this tripe than the next movie from Bad Robot, then you’re nuts, pure and simple.

132. Hat Rick - December 30, 2013

Thanks, @P_Technobabble (129). That’s very nice of you to say.

133. Jack - December 30, 2013

“STID made money but it was not widely profitable by any means.”

It made plenty of money, especially in a summer or under performers. It was one of the top ten box-office scorers of the year, wasn’t it?

And it made more, period, than the one before it did.

And, Hat Rick. Agreed.

People will never 100% agree. But there are ways to disagree — and discuss — civilly.

134. crazydaystrom - December 30, 2013

127. Hat Rick

“I’d suggest that, unfortunately, most of us are not “evolved” enough to try to reach a consensus. Or, rather, maybe our tendencies in the 21st Century is to “get your point out” and “argue” until the other side presumably caves in or gives up. That’s a feature of Internet culture and a part of the so-called “marketplace” of ideas. Conflict in this way is actually encouraged.”

VERY wise, VERY intelligent, VERY mature words on this subject Hat Rick. You speak of a condition I find to be sadder and sadder and more and more unpalatable each day. An ugly condition that might ultimately prove to be a only a passing trend that will yield to a more sober and thoughtful (in every sense of the word) one in the future. Maybe not but one can hope. And evidently there’re more than one of us.

IDIC
:-)

135. Captain Smirk - December 30, 2013

I’m still waiting for them to produce my favorite television series starring George Takei as Captain Sulu, called “Don’t Call Me Tiny.”

136. Sara - December 30, 2013

I think this trailer looks interesting and will look forward to seeing the film. I wish the cast and crew well with the project.

If this production is somewhat similar to Babylon 5, that is a good thing. Babylon 5 was a magnificent achievement in science fiction. I still miss it.

As to STID, I am have been a Star Trek fan since the 1960s, and I have to say that I was rather disappointed by Star Trek: Into Darkness. I would have much preferred an original story over a rehash of Khan. I hope the next film will focus more on character and relationships and less on nonstop action and cool special effects. Those are the things that made Star Trek great.

These are just my thoughts, for what they’re worth.

137. Hat Rick - December 30, 2013

@Jack (133) and @crazydaystrom (134), good to know that there are like-minded people out there. I truly believe in coexistence and the best ideas of Star Trek, and I’m always happy to read confirmation that others share these beliefs.

There comes a time when you are more at peace with yourself than you have been in the past, and you take a more objective position with regard to various contentious issues. I think that there is a serenity to this that you earn with experience — perhaps through the school of hard knocks, as they say. People will always argue, but if you have a guiding light, a lodestar, a firmer view of what should be, then these trifling things don’t matter a whole lot. And when you see that others reach a similar conclusion through their own life experiences, why, then that’s quite gratifying.

Thanks again, and Happy New Year to you and everyone else here, who participates in this great enterprise — in this trek toward the stars.

138. Phil - December 30, 2013

Amused that this keeps being called a pilot episode. It’s not.

139. BatlethInTheGroin - December 30, 2013

#137: Yeah, I find that funny as well. It’s not a pilot for anything–it’s a fan film.

140. I am not Herbert - December 30, 2013

Viva Star Trek: Renegades! …while not perfect, I commend their good work! (and Sean Young looks GOOD in glasses!) =P

All of the hatred is coming from the usual JJ/Boborci boot-lickers…

They are polarized in their loyalty… so, they pile hate on anyone/anything that competes with, or is critical of nu-trek… =(

it really is sad and embarrassing: they don’t understand the philosophy of (real) Star Trek… =(

141. I am not Herbert - December 30, 2013

Re: the stillborn nu-trek trilogy

I for one, wish that they would cut their losses, and RE-BOOT!

supposedly, it’s JJ’s baby… but he’s HAPPY to be leaving it behind…!

…and now Boborci’s in charge?! WHAT A DISASTER!! =O

do we want ANOTHER SHINY TURD for the 50th Anniversary of (REAL) ST??

BY ODIN’S BEARD! I SAY THEE: NAY!!!

142. Ahmed - December 30, 2013

@137. Phil & 138. BatlethInTheGroin

As the producers said on their official website, Star Trek: Renegades is a “television pilot to be presented for a possible online series.”

Star Trek is a big universe, I don’t see any problems if we have different Trek projects beside JJ-Trek.

143. Ahmed - December 30, 2013

@127. Hat Rick

“After all these years, I’m pessimistic about the prospects of achieving any sort of unity in Trek fandom. We may think we’re smart, but we’re simply not smart enough to do that.”

True, it like fans are always looking for the thing that divide us, not unite us. First it was TOS vs TNG, now it is prime vs alternate.

144. BatlethInTheGroin - December 30, 2013

#140 wrote:

“All of the hatred is coming from the usual JJ/Boborci boot-lickers…”

That’s a stupid and entirely unsupportable statement. There is no correlation whatsoever between the anti-Renegades comments and people being pro- or anti-Abrams. The vast majority of comments have been negative, here and at other boards, regardless of what people thought of the Abrams films (which have nothing to do with this conversation, by the way). But feel free to make sweeping, irrelevant generalizations if it makes you happy to do so.

145. BatlethInTheGroin - December 30, 2013

#142: Their website can say that all they want. But there’s no chance that anyone at CBS will ever watch this fan film, let alone pick it up as a series. This is fanfic, nothing more.

146. I am not Herbert - December 30, 2013

heh! …do you remember?:

“I’d rather fight, than switch…” (to “Space: 1999″)

;-)

147. Ahmed - December 30, 2013

@ 145. BatlethInTheGroin – December 30, 2013

“#142: Their website can say that all they want. But there’s no chance that anyone at CBS will ever watch this fan film, let alone pick it up as a series. This is fanfic, nothing more.”

I’m sorry but how can you judge a project after watching only 2 minutes teaser ?

Shouldn’t you wait until it is out & then make your own judgment about it ?

148. BatlethInTheGroin - December 30, 2013

The writing, effects and particularly the acting of the trailer are awful. Hence, it’s easy to judge the film from it.

149. Ahmed - December 30, 2013

@148. BatlethInTheGroin

I’m not impressed by the trailer as well but will give it a shot anyway when it come out in 2014.

150. Jack - December 30, 2013

I have mixed feelings about kickstarter. I think it’s great for artists just starting out, say. But I have concerns when established actors are using it to fund vanity projects…

151. TrekMadeMeWonder - December 30, 2013

First impression.

BURN THAT FIRST TRAILER ASAP, AND NEVER SHOW IT AGAIN!

The second was 100% better. Although you MUST leave out that ridiculous transformers ending. WTF was that all about!?

152. Of Bajor - December 30, 2013

Far and away the best and most accurate Fan production is from the folks at Star Trek Continues. They have captured the feel of TOS impecably (sp?).

Epsiode one which continues straight after the final TOS episode is here – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G-ziTBAkbQ

Their Kickstarter campaign has secured funding for a further three episodes, the first of which will be aired in Feb.

Can’t wait.

153. I am not Herbert - December 30, 2013

Of Bajor: AGREED! Good Stuff… ;-)

154. Ahmed - December 30, 2013

FYI, here is the note that ST:R posted on their Facebook page:

“Trek Movie did an article about our project. If you are not familiar with that site, it is one of the best Star Trek sites. It has great content and the articles are well written. Lots of folks who didn’t know about our project and who are asking the usual questions. So head on over there and post in the comments…..you can explain how Chekov is still alive.

http://trekmovie.com/

155. Daniel - December 30, 2013

133. Jack.

You are talking box office. Paramount only cares about profit. STID cost more than Trek ’09 and it made a lot less domestically than Trek ’09. Domestic ticket sales are a LOT more profitable than overseas sales.

Still, I am very optimistic that the third JJ Trek film will finally take this crew away from Earth and into deep space where Trek was meant to be.

156. MJ - December 30, 2013

Wrong!!! Pine let it slip that he, at least, has two more films on his deal

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130. Daniel – December 30, 2013
STID made money but it was not widely profitable by any means. The actors have only one more film on their contracts, and if their rates go way up, I could easily see a new cast in the original universe once again.

157. MJ - December 30, 2013

Gorgan is back — “I am not Herbert” is actually Gorgan from “And the Children Shall Lead.”

Hey Gorgan (Herbert), here is your song, dude — enjoy!:

Hi, hi fire and snow
Call the angel
We will go
Far away, for to see
Friendly angel, come to me..

158. Dniel - December 30, 2013

156. MJ. It is entirely possible that Pine’s contract was re-negotiated, but it has been reported numerous times that they all have a three film contract. I hope I am wrong since I like him quite a lot.

150. Jack. I couldn’t agree more. Kickstarter should be for non-established artists, not millionaires.

159. MJ - December 30, 2013

“You are talking box office. Paramount only cares about profit. STID cost more than Trek ’09 and it made a lot less domestically than Trek ’09. Domestic ticket sales are a LOT more profitable than overseas sales.”

That was true five years ago, but that’s no longer true. The new wave of global distribution deals for most of the studios between 2011 and 2013 brought the international profits closer into alignment with domestic profits.

Typciall for a major movie like this, you need your box office to be between 2.5 and three times the development and marketing costs to make a profit. So if the $190 figure includes marketing, then the movie just made enough, so where all the Blu-Ray, DVD and online money (excepting the sunk costs of those) should be profit. Haven’t seen the figures on those sales yet, but it’s probably moving towards $100M. So even if marketing costs were not included in the $190M, no doubt that the DVD/Blu-Ray/Online sales more that covered that, plus started making at least 10′s on millions of dollars in profit.

160. crazydaystrom - December 30, 2013

136. Hat Rick

Your wisdom and maturity SHINES Brother!

Thank YOU! And Happy New Year!

161. Ahmed - December 30, 2013

@ 156. MJ – December 30, 2013

“Wrong!!! Pine let it slip that he, at least, has two more films on his deal”

Wrong! This is from ONE source, how can you believe something reported in one & only one newspaper ?

Come on, dude. I know you want Pine to star in 10 more movies or something, but you don’t need to believe a one source & think it is legit.

When other newspapers/sites report that, then we can believe it. Even Fox News verify stories from more than 3 sources before they report it.

162. MJ - December 30, 2013

@136

“I think this trailer looks interesting and will look forward to seeing the film. I wish the cast and crew well with the project. If this production is somewhat similar to Babylon 5, that is a good thing. Babylon 5 was a magnificent achievement in science fiction. I still miss it.”

Please don’t insult Babylon 5 by comparing it to this lame effort.

163. MJ - December 30, 2013

“Wrong! This is from ONE source, how can you believe something reported in one & only one newspaper ?”

WRONG AHMED. I am getting tired of having to re-educate you on this, and I am not going to repeat myself again here. Please stop harassing me on this point. I get it, you disagree. Fine, move on, but be aware that I am convinced this is accurate, and I am going to keep stating at such whether you like it or not.

164. Ahmed - December 30, 2013

@ 162. MJ – December 30, 2013

“Fine, move on, but be aware that I am convinced this is accurate, and I am going to keep stating at such whether you like it or not.”

Dude, you are a smart guy. I honestly don’t see how you could believe something that came from one source.

Anyway, believe what you want.

165. MJ - December 30, 2013

For anyone else here wondering what we are talking about, her is the link to the UK Mirror article interview with Pine during the STID cast visit to the UK earlier this year, where he accidentally let it slip that he is signed for 2 more Trek films:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/star-trek-darkness-chris-pine-1871313

So this UK paper had this actual interview with Pine, in which Pine let it slip that he had signed on for two more movies, as follows:

Mirror: “William Shatner made seven Star Trek feature movies. How many do you think you will make?”

Pine: “I’m committed to two more at this point. Er, not sure I should have said that! [Laughs]”

This question and answer was not even picked up on by the Mirror as a breaking story or used in their headline. And the only person in the Trek media who found this little nugget was Gustav over at Trekweb. No one else picked this up.

Ahmed wants us to think that this is sensationalist tabloid media run amok, and that they are either lying or distorting the interview with Pine here to sell newspapers. If that is the case, then they have done the most piss-poor job in tabloid media history of promoting this supposed sensationalist quote as Ahmed would have us all believe… i.e. it’s obvious from the interview and lack of ANY subsequent promotion of this quote that they didn’t even realize that this was a big breaking story.

Given that it was in the middle of the interview, and Pine rather obviously just slipped and said something he was not suppose to say, I am very confident that this is good information.

Ahmed’s response reminds me of this doubting Anthony’s April 2012 article confirming Khan as the villain in STID. I assessed that article in a similar manner, and concluded that Anthony’s information was correct. Ahmed, in contrast, went on for months about needing more sources.

It’s OK for us to use our brains to the review the context of an article, apply common sense to it, and draw our own conclusions. I don’t always need the media to give me that second source when I review something. Could I be wrong on this” Sure! I don’t expect to be though, and I certainly have a proven track record here on being able to pick out little nuggets of truth and hidden information on nuTrek developments. So doubt me at your own risk. :-)

166. I am not Herbert - December 30, 2013

MJ: if u r going to be an immature d*ck, at least get it right, my friend? ;-)

167. MJ - December 30, 2013

@166 You are the poster child for “immature d*ck.” But in your case, it also refers to one of your body parts as well.

168. I am not Herbert - December 30, 2013

yes, 136. Hat Rick makes A LOT OF SENSE

…wish we were all as thoughtful here… ;-)

LL&P

169. Ahmed - December 30, 2013

@165. MJ

“Ahmed’s response reminds me of this doubting Anthony’s April 2012 article confirming Khan as the villain in STID. I assessed that article in a similar manner, and concluded that Anthony’s information was correct.”

Well, you are forgetting one tiny detail my friend. When AP posted that article, he said that he got it from multiple sources:

“Spoiler 2: Cumberbatch is playing Khan

TrekMovie was first in reporting that Benedict Cumberbatch had joined the Star Trek sequel cast, to play a villain (originally a role offered to Benecio del Toro). A few outlets have also reported (including today’s AICN) that this villain was Trek’s most famous bad guy – the exiled Eugenics War leader Khan Noonien Singh (originally played by Ricardo Montalban). TrekMovie has also confirmed this with a number of sources so we no longer consider it to be a rumor. Khan is back in 2013, however sources indicate that the film is not a rehash of “Space Seed,” the original Star Trek episode where Kirk and crew first encounter the genetic superman from the past. ”

http://trekmovie.com/2012/04/30/major-star-trek-sequel-spoilers-confirmed/

Dear AP didn’t just read it in one newspaper & then ran to write the article. He did what journalists & reporters usually do, ask multiple sources. This is 101 news reporting.

170. Ahmed - December 30, 2013

MJ,

“Ahmed, in contrast, went on for months about needing more sources.”

Nope, my comment on AP article was basically about lack of creativity in the writing team. This is what I said back then

“644. Ahmed Abdo – April 30, 2012

Khan, really !!!

I hope they will come up with a new & fresh take, if that even possible.
If Nimoy is coming back, I think it is very reasonable to have Shanter back as well.

Can’t say that I’m very excited about the movie, now that they are bringing back Khan, but will go and see it anyway.”

171. Red Dead Ryan - December 30, 2013

#166.

“MJ: if u r going to be an immature d*ck, at least get it right, my friend? ;-)”

I guess he should defer to you, the expert on the matter, right? :-)

172. MJ - December 30, 2013

Here is the deal, Ahmed. Pine and his agent are prohibited for mentioning his deal, and the studio execs or not going to go public on an actors contract. So there is not likely to be any second or third source here on this probably a couple years. So, you have to ask yourself, should I use by brain and implement common sense to see if that article looks viable, or should I retreat into the veneer of the herd and wait until someone spoon feeds me another source in 2015 or so?

Me, well I am going with my brain and common sense in assessing that article. And I’ve assessed it as legitimate.

173. MJ - December 30, 2013

“Dear AP didn’t just read it in one newspaper & then ran to write the article. He did what journalists & reporters usually do, ask multiple sources. This is 101 news reporting.”

You’re right, but I am sure you remembered what happened then, right? Do you in fact remember?

What happened next, was that 95% of the people here made excuses to not believe his article, and claimed his sources were either illegitimate or that they duped him. I’d have to go back and look at your posts at the time, but I seem to remember you saying that you wanted confirmation by other sources – if I have got this wrong, then sorry — but others here were saying that in larger numbers. There were maybe five to six of us out of dozens of posters who accepted Anthony’s article as a credible news story — that is a fact!

So this point you are trying to make is not valid, because most people here simply didn’t want to believe Anthony’s article at an emotional level — it had nothing really to do with sources. They just would’t believe it was Khan until it was made “official”, no matter what information was put in front of them.

And, well, let’s be real here, I don’t think you emotionally want to hear that the cast is signed on for more movies than the next one. That would be unwelcome news to you given your current opinions on nuTrek. So you are, even if it’s at an unconscious level, predisposed to dismiss this interview with Pine, because you simply don’t want to believe that it could be true. Just like with Khan.

174. Ahmed - December 30, 2013

@ 172. MJ – December 30, 2013

“Here is the deal, Ahmed. Pine and his agent are prohibited for mentioning his deal, and the studio execs or not going to go public on an actors contract.”

Any source ? :)

“So, you have to ask yourself, should I use by brain and implement common sense to see if that article looks viable, or should I retreat into the veneer of the herd and wait until someone spoon feeds me another source in 2015 or so?”

You are not using common sense if you believe a news story from one source.

“Me, well I am going with my brain and common sense in assessing that article. And I’ve assessed it as legitimate.”

Sure, dude. Just don’t compare it to the AP article where he confirmed with a number of sources.

Like I said before, you believe what you want.

175. Ahmed - December 30, 2013

@173. MJ

“And, well, let’s be real here, I don’t think you emotionally want to hear that the cast is signed on for more movies than the next one. That would be unwelcome news to you given your current opinions on nuTrek. So you are, even if it’s at an unconscious level, predisposed to dismiss this interview with Pine, because you simply don’t want to believe that it could be true.”

Well, I could say the same thing about you. You want Pine to sign on for more movies, that why you so adamant about this one interview.

176. MJ - December 30, 2013

@174 @175

Hey, I tried to convince you…no lack in effort. ;-)

Mark my word, get ready for my long memory to give you a major I TOLD YOU SO post sometime in the next 2-3 years.

But for now, we are going to have to agree to disagree, as I fear we are completely boring everyone else here by now. :-)

177. Ahmed - December 30, 2013

@176. MJ

“But for now, we are going to have to agree to disagree, as I fear we are completely boring everyone else here by now. :-)”

LOL, agreed. It looks like we scared everyone away today :)

178. MJ - December 30, 2013

Just one final point, when you said:

“You are not using common sense if you believe a news story from one source.”

This is incorrect. They publish a word-for-word interview that they personally conducted with Chris Pine, not a news story. So to discount this, you would have to believe that The Mirror deliberately fabricated the quoted Pine response to their question. It’s fine if you believe that, but this would mean fabricating a direct interview with Pine, not making up a “news story.” which would have been easier for them to do as it wouldn’t subject them to LIBEL chargers in completely changing what Pine said, word for word.

179. Ahmed - December 30, 2013

@ 178. MJ – December 30, 2013

“This is incorrect. They publish a word-for-word interview that they personally conducted with Chris Pine, not a news story. So to discount this, you would have to believe that The Mirror deliberately fabricated the quoted Pine response to their question.”

Yes, it was an interview, not a news story. And I don’t believe they fabricated what Pine said. I’m just old fashioned when it come to news & story sources. I will just wait until I see it in another outlet.

180. Ensign RedShirt - December 30, 2013

If Pine signed for a fourth film before STID and Jack Ryan got released, he should fire his agent. He would have far more financial leverage in negotiations after the Ryan film gets released, based on being the lead of not one but two Paramount franchises.

If he is indeed signed for a fourth picture, why hide it? If nothing else it would be a vote of confidence for the franchise by Paramount.

181. BatlethInTheGroin - December 30, 2013

WRONG!

Hmmm?

Oh, sorry. Everyone else was yelling “WRONG!” and I felt left out.

182. Ahmed - December 30, 2013

@ 181. BatlethInTheGroin – December 30, 2013

“WRONG!
Hmmm?
Oh, sorry. Everyone else was yelling “WRONG!” and I felt left out.”

lol

183. Basement Blogger - December 30, 2013

As Spock would say, “Fascinating.” Adrienne Wilkinson is beautiful. as Captain Lexxa Singh. Hmmm. Could she be related to Khaaaaan! Casting controversy, she’s not Indian. I keeed. I keeeed. Very happy to see Sean Young in a science fiction movie. Anyway, I’m looking forward to it. Best wishes to the cast and crew.

184. Ahmed - December 30, 2013

@ 180. Ensign RedShirt – December 30, 2013

“If Pine signed for a fourth film before STID and Jack Ryan got released, he should fire his agent.”

He already fired his first agent “SDB Partners” by an email !! Then he was sued for it. Don’t think he is willing to fire his second agent anytime soon :)

“If he is indeed signed for a fourth picture, why hide it? If nothing else it would be a vote of confidence for the franchise by Paramount.”

A good question.

185. Ahmed - December 30, 2013

@ 183. Basement Blogger – December 30, 2013

“As Spock would say, “Fascinating.” Adrienne Wilkinson is beautiful. as Captain Lexxa Singh. Hmmm. Could she be related to Khaaaaan!”

Yep, according to the producers:

“9. Our Captain Lexxa Singh is a descendant of Khan.”

http://observationdeck.io9.com/star-trek-renegades-the-producers-answer-some-of-y-1482883504

186. MJ - December 30, 2013

LOL. That is great, dude !!!

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181. BatlethInTheGroin – December 30, 2013
WRONG!

Hmmm?

Oh, sorry. Everyone else was yelling “WRONG!” and I felt left out.

187. MJ - December 30, 2013

Guys, pehaps this (i.e. signing for 2 more Trek films prematurely) was one of the factors in axing that previous agent?

Regarding the second question, come on, this is Paramount. Throughout Trek movie history we only infrequently get information like this. And it’s been worse under JJ-Trek — that is an established fact.

Supporting this is the fact that in that Mirror interview, Pine said, “I’m committed to two more at this point. Er, not sure I should have said that!” This directly confirms that this information on the Trek actor’s contracts is not to be released to the public — Pine himself confirms this right here!!!…so, how much clearer do you need this to be, guys? Come on, use your brains and draw a common sense conclusion.

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184. Ahmed – December 30, 2013
@ 180. Ensign RedShirt – December 30, 2013

“If Pine signed for a fourth film before STID and Jack Ryan got released, he should fire his agent.”

He already fired his first agent “SDB Partners” by an email !! Then he was sued for it. Don’t think he is willing to fire his second agent anytime soon :)

“If he is indeed signed for a fourth picture, why hide it? If nothing else it would be a vote of confidence for the franchise by Paramount.”

A good question.

188. Garak's Pride - December 30, 2013

MJ, Ahmed,

Gotta say, I think the Pine interview looks like an honest mistake by Pine. The fact that The Mirror didn’t even treat that comment by Pine as very newsworthy shows that any sort of tabloid “manufacturing of news” is unlikely in this case.

There is no way that I think though that this is a slam-dunk — MJ claimed that this was 99.9% certain, and I certainly don’t see how you could quantify this that way? Nevertheless, this interview certainly looks legitimate to me that Pine just let something slip that he wasn’t suppose to.

So I would conclude that this information on Pine signing for two for films in certainly probable given this interview.

189. Garak's Pride - December 30, 2013

Sorry, correction:

“So I would conclude that this information on Pine signing for two more films is certainly probable given this interview.”

Argh!

190. Ahmed - December 30, 2013

@ 187. MJ – December 30, 2013

“Guys, pehaps this (i.e. signing for 2 more Trek films prematurely) was one of the factors in axing that previous agent?”

His former agent filled a lawsuit last year, 2012. Reading the account of that lawsuit, Pine come out as a real jerk.

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Chris Pine Sued By Former Agents; ‘This Means War,’ ‘Star Trek 2′ Salary Revealed (Exclusive)

Boutique agency SDB Partners claims it took the actor from nobody to superstar over nine years but was fired via email and is being stiffed on commissions.

Chris Pine has been sued by his former talent agency, which claims it represented the This Means War and Star Trek actor for nine years but was dropped abruptly via email in November and is being denied millions of dollars in commissions.

According to the lawsuit, SDB agreed to represent the actor in 2002 when he had no experience and “nobody was willing to touch Pine,” and the agency then helped him land film parts that led to the coveted Captain Kirk role in the Star Trek reboot and Paramount’s planned reimagining of the Jack Ryan franchise. Pine allegedly has stopped paying the standard 10 percent commission on Trek and other projects and has not responded to a request by the agency to acknowledge his financial obligations.

Movie stars leave small agencies all the time, but it was something of a surprise when Pine departed SDB in November after a nine-year stint. After all, he’d been courted for years by every top agency and had chose to stick it out with the boutique, which guided his career with Carrabino. In fact, after Trek became a big hit in 2009 and critics praised Pine’s star-making performance, the actor said, according to the complaint:

“I’m a firm believer in loyalty. At the end of the day, this is a business, and you are a business, and I have felt in my career it has served me to stay with the people who started with me because I believe they’re as passionate and as dedicated as they’ve ever been.”

Nonetheless, SDB alleges, “on November 11, 2011, Pine discharged SDB by email [full email is included in the complaint and reproduced below]. Pine did not even have the courtesy of picking up the telephone to tell SDB that he was ending their relationship of nine years.”

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/chris-pine-sued-this-means-war-star-trek-290478

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I can see now why he is acting like a jerk in Star Trek, the guy is a real jerk in real life.

191. MJ - December 30, 2013

Ahmed,

I am surprised that you trust in “Exclusives” like this given they are from only one press source? (cha-ching) :-))

Seriously, thanks for the article. Interesting. Keachick is not going to like this.

PS: Another actor in Hollywood is a prima donna ass — what a shock, right? :-)

192. Ahmed - December 30, 2013

@ 191. MJ – December 30, 2013

“Ahmed,
I am surprised that you trust in “Exclusives” like this given they are from only one press source? (cha-ching) :-))

lol

“Seriously, thanks for the article. Interesting. Keachick is not going to like this.”

You are most welcome & yep, she won’t like it at all.

“PS: Another actor in Hollywood is a prima donna ass — what a shock, right? :-)”

Yeah, man. Looks like most of them are acting like that.

193. Phil - December 30, 2013

@190 Yeah, they settled this out of court. The dismissal by e-mail bulls**t aside (which was more of a reflection of stupidity on Pines part, not ass-hattery), talent changes management fairly frequently. Had Pine had competent representation the whole mess could have probably been avoided.

194. Phil - December 30, 2013

Pine having an option for a fourth movie is almost a moot point at the moment, as there isn’t any confirmation that a third one is going to be made at this point. In development means squat – Ghostbusters III has been in development for 20 years now.

If Pine has an option for additional Trek beyond the initial three, the other performers probably do as well. An option being what it is, there’s nothing to talk about until it’s exercised. Pines comment could be nothing more then what most people saw it as, a misspoken answer to a question he may not have been paying much attention to.

195. Ahmed - December 30, 2013

@194. Phil

“Pine having an option for a fourth movie is almost a moot point at the moment, as there isn’t any confirmation that a third one is going to be made at this point. In development means squat ”

Come on, Phil, we all know that J.D. Payne and Patrick McKay are locked away in a hotel room working on the script as we speak, right ? :)

196. Blue Thunder - December 30, 2013

@152 and 153 –

Star Trek Continues is nothing more than a rip-off of Star Trek-New Voyages/Phase 2 and Vic Mignogna’s personal form of revenge against the professional crew who work on P2.

There is nothing cool about that and anything else Farragut Films related.

197. Phil - December 30, 2013

@195. Oh, yeah – slaving away. Just ask Dan Aykroyd, who’s been telling anyone who will listen that this is the year GB III gets in front of the cameras….

198. MJ - December 30, 2013

“Pine having an option for a fourth movie is almost a moot point at the moment, as there isn’t any confirmation that a third one is going to be made at this point.”

God it would suck to have these mental crutches of needing “officical announcments” for everything that some of in insist up here.

As Scotty would say, how quaint.

The movie will be out for the 2016 anniversary, they are writing it right now, they will announce a director in the first half of 2013, and the movie will not shoot in LA this time.

Use your brains people — pay attention to what we do know and stop waiting for the “pretend emotional security” of something from BR or Paramount.

Shesh, this is like trying to reason with a brick wall sometimes here they way you all fawn over studio press releases like you really need that fix to get your brain to agree with the tea leaves that are already out there. WAKE UP !!!!!

199. MJ - December 30, 2013

“Come on, Phil, we all know that J.D. Payne and Patrick McKay are locked away in a hotel room working on the script as we speak, right ? :)”

Thanks for proving my point for me — after those reports, you got your emotionally demanding OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT that the movie was coming out in June 2012 — “2012″ I’m curious, how did that one of your precious OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENTS work out for you guys?

LOL :-))))

200. MJ - December 30, 2013

meant to say above: they will announce a director in the first half of 2014

201. DiscoSpock - December 30, 2013

Agree with MJ. The official announcements on Star Trek are very infrequent, and in many cases end up being wrong or misleading. I’d rather go with Anthony’s. MJ’s or my own personal assessments of the bits and pieces of information we do get from a variety of sources.

202. Emotionally Logical - December 30, 2013

For al those asking how Chekhov can be alive consider this. Chekhov is at least a decade or more younger than McCoy. If McCoy can be an admiral and alive at the time of the ST:TNG pilot (and not even have a verified date of death) why could Chekhov not be alive now?

That being said, we should have prob heard of him by now, esp during the dominion war in ST:DS9

203. K-7 - December 31, 2013

…or maybe its just a fan production with a non-canon versus of Chekov being played by actor who is frankly too old to play the part credibly anymore?

204. Spock's Bangs - December 31, 2013

Disco and MJ , sitting in a tree
“I am you, and you are me!”
“Whatever I say, you’ll say it too!”
“Pile on the bullshit, that’s what we do!”

K7,Garek’s Pride, Dave H., Admiral Archer’s Beagle, Red shirt Diaries exclaim: “uuuus to!!”

LOL

FACT!

205. BatlethInTheGroin - December 31, 2013

You guys are arguing non-points. There will be a 13th Trek film and it will be out in 2016, regardless of whether or not an “official announcement” has yet been made–this is not remotely a Ghostbusters III situation. And Chekov’s age in Renegades doesn’t matter in the end since it’s just a fan film and thus not part of the franchise.

206. Ahmed - December 31, 2013

Nothing is official until it is written on paper & signed off by all parties concerned :)
Or it is reported in Variety or The Hollywood Reporter.

Now, obviously Paramount is serious about making the 3rd movie. They rehired Bob for the job, hired new kids to help him. And talking about a reduced budget & filming outside LA. Once they hire a director & finish with the first draft, I think we will hear more news about the movie.

The question is not IF they are going to make a 3rd movie but WHEN the production will begin

207. Phil - December 31, 2013

@199. I think you are the one missing the point, MJ. It’s not about an official announcement, but in the hubris in assuming that just because 2016 is an anniversary year that the studio will find a way to make it happen. Consider what happened last time – lots of announcements that they were working hard on it, when in fact they were busy on other projects. So this time around, we are getting more pronouncements that they are working on it, even though we can clearly see that Bad Robot is much more busy now WITH OTHER PROJECTS then they were in 2009. So why are we expecting a different result under a similar set of circumstances? Take a look at the releases set from late 2015 through 2016 – we know exactly what K/O and Bad Robot are working on, because the schedule is littered with their projects.

It’s great you are enthusiastic about this – I’m looking forward to Trek 13 as well. The point isn’t in assigning any kind of value to a date, but in observing that given the same circumstances, it’s just silly to be assuming they can shave a year off the schedule to hit 2016. To that end, yeah, a release date would at least lend some credibility to the idea that there is some planning for a 50th anniversary celebration. Until then, it’s all opinion and conjecture….

208. I am not Herbert - December 31, 2013

Spock’s Bangs: re: Disco and MJ , sitting in a tree…

LOL! ..but you left out RDR… ;-)

209. I am not Herbert - December 31, 2013

MJ & RDR: Thanks for trying to troll me, and throw me under the bus… (again) LOL! =D

PLEASE STOP with the petulant, childish attacks on other posters here?

it is fine to counter someone else’s POV, but personal attacks are wrong…

it is said that turnabout is fair-play… but you do not see the point… you escalate instead… =(

Otherwise, all i can do is ignore you, and recommend that others do the same…

LL&P

210. I am not Herbert - December 31, 2013

re: the 50th

yeah, no, it’ll be a last minute half-assed cash grab… IF they make that time-frame at all! LOL!

…UNLESS, they dump Boborci, and GET ON IT. (with a reboot)

211. Ahmed - December 31, 2013

My google alert informed me of this “breaking news”:

Ex-WWE Star Matt Striker Locks Up Role in ‘Star Trek’ Flick !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Before anyone jump in cheer for the amazing casting decision, the WWE star will not play a role in the 2016 movie but rather in another Trek project called: “STAR TREK EQUINOX: THE NIGHT OF TIME.” !

Here is a quote from the article:

“Veteran actor John Savage — who’s starring in the flick — says Striker was “handpicked” for the part … telling us “when Matt was presented for audition, we thought we had our guy — after he read, we knew it.”

Savage says Striker’s work in the ring was definitely a factor when it came to casting him for the role.

Must not have seen him getting his ass kicked by Kane … ”

http://www.tmz.com/2013/12/31/wwe-matt-striker-star-trek-equinox-acting/?adid=sidebarwidget-tmzsports

All I can think of after reading this, WTF

212. I am not Herbert - December 31, 2013

…i have to agree! WTF??

“…an independent Star Trek production to be presented to CBS in airable pilot form entitled Star Trek Equinox: The Night of Time, staring John Savage and Gary Lockwood with each reprising their previously-established Trek roles as Captain Rudy Ransom and Fleet Captain Gary Mitchell.”

Gary Lockwood as Fleet Captain GARY MITCHELL!!!

HOLY CRAP! Looks like 2014 could be a GOOD YEAR for Star Trek!!! =D

213. I am not Herbert - December 31, 2013

http://www.examiner.com/article/special-effects-star-trek-style

“Fifteen years after the destruction of the USS Equinox (approximate star date 2393) Captain Rudy Ransom, who was beamed from his doomed ship by the Krotownans, is held prisoner in the Delta quadrant for crimes against the race including trespassing in Krowtownan space and the deaths of Krowtown Crew members. Captain Ransom has very few choices but one chance to return to the Alpha Quadrant some 30.000 light years away.”

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3375214/?ref_=ttpl_pl_tt

214. I am not Herbert - December 31, 2013

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Equinox

215. Ahmed - December 31, 2013

@213. I am not Herbert

Thanks for the link.

The story, on paper, looks interesting but the fact that they are hiring a WWE star is making me questioning the whole project.

216. I am not Herbert - December 31, 2013

“…Savage’s character — Captain Ransom — was held prisoner for 15 years before escaping through a wormhole and returning 120 years back into the past, and appearing in the classic Star Trek era. According to Neill, they are going to replicate the iconic look of the ‘60s TV show.

“John really likes Star Trek and wants to more of it,” Neill told us. He went on to say that he had an obsession with Stanley Kubridk, so he was really glad that Lockwood (who was also in 2001) is in the show. “If approved we will get a full season of 13 episodes.” Apparently, Lockwood’s character, Captain Mitchell, traveled to the edge of the galaxy in the episode, Where No Man Has Gone Before, and when he returned he had not only aged, but was depowered as Star Fleet was able to reverse his godlike abilities.”

AWESOME SAUCE!!! =D

217. Ahmed - December 31, 2013

@216. I am not Herbert

“and when he returned he had not only aged, but was depowered as Star Fleet was able to reverse his godlike abilities.””

“depowered” him ? You mean that Starfleet drained his magical batteries or what :)

Geez, this sounds really rubbish.

218. I am not Herbert - December 31, 2013

Ahmed: u r welcome! =)

…i wouldn’t worry about that… WWE guys are CHARISMATIC ENTERTAINERS!

“The Rock” is one of my favorites, and he did a fantastic job guest-starring on Voyager… ;-)

219. I am not Herbert - December 31, 2013

Ahmed: aww… come on… don’t be so picky! ;-)

it’s a valid word, and properly used…

220. crazydaystrom - December 31, 2013

Interesting news this. Star Trek Equinox: The Night of Time. I like the sound of it. And I like the return of the colon, so very Trek. Savage and Mitchell are both good actors. Hope this developes into something we can love. And casting a wrestler isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Good news for the New Year, hopefully, and pontentially great news for the 50th.

221. crazydaystrom - December 31, 2013

*potentially*

222. Ahmed - December 31, 2013

@220. crazydaystrom

“And casting a wrestler isn’t necessarily a bad thing.”

If he is playing a security guard, sure.

223. I am not Herbert - December 31, 2013

Hell Yeah! a big, burly red-shirt!!! =)

224. I am not Herbert - December 31, 2013

Hey Matt!

how ’bout a new story about this “Star Trek: Equinox” pilot for CBS?

thanks! =D

225. crazydaystrom - December 31, 2013

I’ve only just now found the time to watch the Renegades second teaser. Nitpick all you want. There’s potential (evidently my word of the day) there. All I ask for, as ever, is a science fiction story that interests and engages me. I don’t hate the Star Trek Renegades trailers. AT ALL! This looks to be much better than Of Gods and Men to my eye and ear.

226. Andorian - December 31, 2013

Well done, Spock’s Bangs. You’ve exposed these guys for what they are.

I am not Herbert — you too! Keep up the good work.

Who Cares — don’t let them get to you, my friend.

227. I am not Herbert - December 31, 2013

Andorian: thx, and peace be with you =)

228. Spock's Bangs - December 31, 2013

208 “LOL! ..but you left out RDR… ;-)”

I did, but that’s because he’s not one of MJ’s sock-puppet brigade. Red Dead certainly has ridden with the pile-on posse, but he’s not one of MJ’s imaginary friends!

FACT!!

229. I am not Herbert - December 31, 2013

…”the pile-on posse”! LOL! Lovin’ it! =D

230. star trackie - December 31, 2013

This whole “equinox” thing sounds like just another fan film that has made its way onto IMDB. They just probably funded it with kickstarter or something. I promise there isn’t any official CBS pilot in the works with a budget of only $250,000!! Just using the time travel to make use of the available fan sets already built for TOS I bet. But, like all the fan films, I’ll be there, at least once.

and, yeah, I figured MJ was all those other guys that always gang up when theres an argument, been happening for years. but don’t really care, all just a waste of time to make people up, if you ask me. And you didn’t. lol just my 2 cents.

231. MJ - December 31, 2013

Spocks Bangs, come on guy. Can you be any more obvious than this with you clone brigade. 4 posts in a row of you “atta boying” yourself (err, I mean, you, Herbert and Andorian…LOL) and trashing me and others…and 4 CONSECUTIVE posts in a row?

How stupid do you think our community is, dude? At least assign us enough intelligence to try harder next time. I am embarrassed for you, clown. But at this point, we all are wise to you, so I think it’s kind of fun, entertainment-wise, to see you lame attempts at supposedly insulting me and others here. Keep it up — it brings a smile to my face.

EPIC FAIL, but an entertaining one at least. :-)

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226. Andorian – December 31, 2013
Well done, Spock’s Bangs. You’ve exposed these guys for what they are.

I am not Herbert — you too! Keep up the good work.

Who Cares — don’t let them get to you, my friend.

227. I am not Herbert – December 31, 2013
Andorian: thx, and peace be with you =)

228. Spock’s Bangs – December 31, 2013
208 “LOL! ..but you left out RDR… ;-)”

I did, but that’s because he’s not one of MJ’s sock-puppet brigade. Red Dead certainly has ridden with the pile-on posse, but he’s not one of MJ’s imaginary friends!

FACT!!

229. I am not Herbert – December 31, 2013
…”the pile-on posse”! LOL! Lovin’ it! =D

232. MJ - December 31, 2013

Looks like we all just found out the historical true identity of Spock’s Bangs!

I mean, has anyone else seen star trackie post in the last couple of months here? So we are suppose to believe that star trackie just coincidentally happens to post this in immediate succession to the four posts from Spock’s Bangs and his clones? And I love the supposed misdirection about pretending to mention Eqinox first, and then just happen by chance to add that paragraph that slanders me and others — how precious!

Again, IN IMMEDIATE SUCCESSION — Andorian – Herbert – Spock’s Bangs – Herbert – Star Trackie — all at once posting here at the same moment in time to “conveniently” slander me and others here.

This is all you got, guy? Really? LOL

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230. star trackie – December 31, 2013
This whole “equinox” thing sounds like just another fan film that has made its way onto IMDB. They just probably funded it with kickstarter or something. I promise there isn’t any official CBS pilot in the works with a budget of only $250,000!! Just using the time travel to make use of the available fan sets already built for TOS I bet. But, like all the fan films, I’ll be there, at least once.

and, yeah, I figured MJ was all those other guys that always gang up when there’s an argument, been happening for years. but don’t really care, all just a waste of time to make people up, if you ask me. And you didn’t. lol just my 2 cents

233. I am not Herbert - December 31, 2013

MJ: you make it hard for ANYONE to want to post here… =(

PLEASE find somewhere else to pick your stupid fights?

consider yourself ignored…

LL&P

234. Phil - December 31, 2013

Can sure tell the staff is out of town….

Gotta love being on hold with Covered CA. It takes them a couple of hours to clear their calls….

235. Ahmed - December 31, 2013

What we need is a Blade Runner to figure out who is not human among us!

Any recommendations ? Maybe you heard of a good BR from your friendly neighbors ? :)

236. MJ - December 31, 2013

“consider yourself ignored…”

Sure, Sybil

LOL

237. I am not Herbert - December 31, 2013

…i’m getting better at identifying sociopaths… ;-) they’re not very human… =(

238. I am not Herbert - December 31, 2013

http://www.naturalnews.com/036112_sociopaths_cults_influence.html#

239. Ahmed - December 31, 2013

Here is Zoe Saldana in green :)

http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/guardians-of-the-galaxy-zoe-saldana-chris-pratt.jpg

240. Phil - December 31, 2013

@239. Okay, my bad for not being up to speed on secondary Marvel characters. Who’s the raccoon?

241. I am not Herbert - December 31, 2013

FYI: Matt Striker… is a ROMULAN COMMANDER — in a part in the upcoming TV movie, “Star Trek Equinox: The Night of Time.”

242. Red Dead Ryan - December 31, 2013

Honestly, “Equinox” sounds like more fan-crap. Why can’t fan films be made without bringing back over-the-hill actors whose characters were already killed off???

Sheesh!!! This is becoming something you’d see on an SNL skit.

And I agree that Andorian=Spock’s Bangs=Herbert=Who Cares=Star Trackie.

243. Ahmed - December 31, 2013

@ 240. Phil – December 31, 2013

“@239. Okay, my bad for not being up to speed on secondary Marvel characters. Who’s the raccoon?”

Bradley Cooper is voicing the Rocket Raccoo.

I’m not familiar with “Guardians of the Galaxy”, so this is going to be my first Marvel movie that I will see without any background about the material.

244. crazydaystrom - December 31, 2013

240. Phil – December 31, 2013

“Okay, my bad for not being up to speed on secondary Marvel characters. Who’s the raccoon?”

I know you didn’t ask me Phil but that’s Rocket Racoon, genetically engineered racoon and absolute badass!!!. That picture makes me laugh.

245. Ahmed - December 31, 2013

Is “Guardians of the Galaxy” an action comedy movie or what ?

246. I am not Herbert - December 31, 2013

yeah, i don’t know GotG either…

i like Silver Age Marvel =)

hopefully Winter Soldier will be good… =)

anybody see Thor 2? any good?

247. I am not Herbert - December 31, 2013

Red Dead Ryan: yeah, hard to believe TOS is SO LOVED! (sarcasm) ;-)

“…over-the-hill actors whose characters were already killed off???”

…like Leonard Nimoy? again… hard to believe… (sarcasm) ;-)

248. Phil - December 31, 2013

@244. Well, the folks who go ape-s**t here on poor Keenser are gonna love this….

249. Dave H - December 31, 2013

MEMO TO: SPOCK’S BANGS

YOU WILL CEASE AND DESIST IMMEDIATELY IN TRYING TO RUIN MY REPUTATION.

I AM NOT MJ, NOR AM I ANYBODY ELSE EXCEPT MY OWN MAN. MY FULL NAME IS DAVE HANSEN, AND I LIVE IN PASO ROBLES, CALIFORNIA, AND IF YOU WANT TO LOCATE MY CONTACT INFO AND CALL ME YOURSELF, I AM READY TO TALK TO YOU IN PERSON TO CONFIRM MY IDENTITY.

I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF YOU ACCUSING ME OF THINGS HERE.

250. Phil - December 31, 2013

^^^^
Hate to say it, Dave, but it’s just that kind of response that feeds these guys. Ignore them. They won’t go away, but you’ll be the better man for not giving in.

251. Garak's Pride - December 31, 2013

Dave, just ignore him. He eventually goes away, and then he shows up again every couple of weeks and makes the same accusations.

Matt,

Is there any sort of discipline you could apply to Spock’s Bangs constantly showing up here and accusing people of being sock-puppets? This guy is out of control

star trackie,

Whether or not you are Spock’s Bangs or not, shame on you for showing up like this and taking sides with that trouble-making troll. Pay attention next time please — this character is not someone you want to be allying with. As an old-timer here, I think you could behave better than this. :-(

252. Check the Circuit - December 31, 2013

Good Lord!

Between the lack of news on this site these days and constant bickering between the handful of posters clogging up the comments section, there isn’t much incentive to visit on a regular basis. So I check back in after a few weeks….and the Uncivil War continues. There’s only 10-12 people even here and you’re up to 250 posts of almost nothing but childish ravings.

I miss the days of constant Trek and related news and intelligent discourse at TrekMovie. Anthony apparently knew when it was time to bail.

253. Ensign Redshirt - December 31, 2013

Man, some of you are really lucky that Matt is a benevolent despot.

It’s a new year, kids. Lots of exciting things ahead of us. Everybody take a breather and have a fun night.

254. MJ - December 31, 2013

@249

Dave,

For my part in all this, I apologize. I think I have become a bit of a lightening rod personality here for some, and because of this, you and other get falsely accused of things. Sorry about this. My advice is just to ignore Spock’s Bangs, and all of his various incarnations, whoever they may or may not be here.

Spock’s Bangs, if you are reading this, it’s New Years Day tomorrow. How about if we have a ceasefire, guy? Your continued accusations, and the responses from those of us your are accusing of stuff, is become a divisive distraction to our community here on Trekmovie.com.

Spock’s Bangs, might you please accept my invitation for you and I to have a joint New Years Resolution to stop the personal attacks here, and concentrate of Star Trek posts for 2014. I am willing to forgive and forget if you are? Best Regards, MJ

255. Oscar - January 1, 2014

It used to be people who would wait until they saw the film to decide their opinion…
But naysayers…beh, no matter.
I look forward renegades…

256. Jonboc - January 1, 2014

#251- “Between the lack of news on this site these days and constant bickering between the handful of posters clogging up the comments section, there isn’t much incentive to visit on a regular basis. So I check back in after a few weeks….and the Uncivil War continues. There’s only 10-12 people even here and you’re up to 250 posts of almost nothing but childish ravings.

I miss the days of constant Trek and related news and intelligent discourse at TrekMovie. Anthony apparently knew when it was time to bail.”

Well said. I rarely visit this site anymore. What once was a destination has become a once-in-a-while curiosity. I visit every so often, only to see no new articles, the same small handful of posters always arguing and a conspicuous absence of Bob Orci.(who can blame him!)

This site has become irrelevant and is coasting on life support. Anthony doesn’t deserve the ad money anymore, pull the plug already.

257. Oscar - January 1, 2014

Come on, this site is the best trek site right now. Childish ravings? Eh, no, free speech. The conspicuous absence of Roberto Orci? In Star Trek the most important thing is
A. STAR TREK
B.The fans.
We have both. No Orci? Who matters?
Maybe you do not want free speech, only propaganda pro Abrams…

258. Red Dead Ryan - January 1, 2014

Ooh look, Oscar the Grouch just showed up! :-(

259. Ahmed - January 1, 2014

@255. Jonboc

” I visit every so often, only to see no new articles”

There are no news regarding ST XIII, except for hiring the new guys, which Trekmovie did an article about it.

Trekmovie is more active than the other Trek sites like trekweb & trekcore. At least it is not imploding like what happened with trekweb this week.

“and a conspicuous absence of Bob Orci.(who can blame him!)”

Bob posted couple time in the past couple weeks. And told us that he is working on the script.

260. MJ - January 1, 2014

Everyone, I’ve tried to extend the olive branch to Spock’s Brain here. Getting no response whatsoever from the guy???

Ahmed, maybe you could step in and suggest to Spock’s Brain that we move forward here, bury and hatchet, and get back to Star Trek?

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254. MJ – December 31, 2013
@249

Dave,

For my part in all this, I apologize. I think I have become a bit of a lightening rod personality here for some, and because of this, you and other get falsely accused of things. Sorry about this. My advice is just to ignore Spock’s Bangs, and all of his various incarnations, whoever they may or may not be here.

Spock’s Bangs, if you are reading this, it’s New Years Day tomorrow. How about if we have a ceasefire, guy? Your continued accusations, and the responses from those of us your are accusing of stuff, is become a divisive distraction to our community here on Trekmovie.com.

Spock’s Bangs, might you please accept my invitation for you and I to have a joint New Years Resolution to stop the personal attacks here, and concentrate of Star Trek posts for 2014. I am willing to forgive and forget if you are? Best Regards, MJ

261. Dswynne - January 1, 2014

The questions you guys need to answer is this: from a marketing standpoint, does it make sense to:

A. Create a movie series featuring a cast of unknowns playing non-iconic characters?

B. Scrap existing sets, costumes, etc., in order to start over at a much higher cost?

C. Abandon a new base of fans just to please an ever-dwindling one?

Ultimately, it’s not the fans who will drive the Star Trek franchise; it’s money that will drive the franchise. Paramount is not about to hand the movie franchise back to CBS, and will certainly recast the Abrams-verse before doing so. Personally, if Paramount was smart, they would pull a Peter Jackson by creating a Trilogy back to back featuring a NuTrek version of the TNG, but under a different ‘administration’. Maybe bring in Ron Moore as a start?

262. Andorian - January 2, 2014

#260 MJ

Why in the hell should Spock’s Bang’s make peace with you, a-hole? And why in the F should Ahmed bail you out?

These guys are the intellectual leaders on this site. You’d be advised to treat them both with more respect.

There is a new Sheriff in town, MJ, and it isn’t you.

263. Phil - January 2, 2014

@262 Intellectual leaders? Are you actually reading anything these guys post? Asides from accusing various individuals of being sock puppets, they contribute nothing…

264. Spock's Bangs - January 2, 2014

Andorian, there’s no “peace ” to be made. I’m at peace with myself and have no ill feelings towards MJ etal. Just shining the light brother. Just shining the light. :)

And 261 Dswynne, spot on observations!

FACT!

265. 47 - January 2, 2014

Where’s that optimism of Star Trek? This just leans too much toward the trend of making Star Trek “dark” and closer to Star Wars than Star Trek. But I guess a genuine Trek production with people who invest their heart and love into it, not to mention experience and knowledge, is certainly better and more preferable than that Abrams Bad Reboot tripe.

Ironically, the acting in Abrams’ pseudo Star Trek is so awful but other elements as well, like e.g. the production design (remember that awful brewery aka engineering? Heck, even the TOS 1960s engineering looks more advanced than that crap… and don’t get me started on the iBridge and the ridiculous ship design…), the special effects and the action, which are so over-the-top (which, of course, Abrams uses to compensate for the lack of good storytelling and general quality), the make-up (remember the goofy CGI-aliens?–absolutely horrible–those belong into some second rate teenage sci-fi movie or TV show), the overused storyline, etc., which make it look more like an amateur production (as a matter of fact, Abrams IS an amateur when it comes to Star Trek because the guy doesn’t know squat about it) and less like a serious sci-fi/Star Trek production, and yet that amateurish pseudo Star Trek managed to earn (definitely too much) money and gain (definitely undeserved) popularity. Yuck. Makes me sick only thinking about it. Talk about fricking irony.

I don’t know what to think exactly of this fan production. I’ll have to see it when it comes out. Anyhow, I wish those guys and Trek veterans which produced that fan movie success though I would like it to contain that good ol’ optimistic Trek spirit.

266. Ahmed - January 2, 2014

@ 263. Phil – January 2, 2014

“@262 Intellectual leaders? Are you actually reading anything these guys post? Asides from accusing various individuals of being sock puppets, they contribute nothing…”

Phil, I never accused anyone of sockpuppeting. My only contribution regarding that topic was to ask Matt to settle it down once & for all when it was going out of hand in the other thread.

oh & I’m no intellectual leader or a leader of any kind , just another fan who like Star Trek, like everyone here.

” 264. Spock’s Bangs – January 2, 2014
“I’m at peace with myself and have no ill feelings towards MJ etal.”

Good to hear that, bro. It is a new year, guys, lets leave our disagreements at the door & just have a little fun :)

267. Ahmed - January 2, 2014

@ 262. Andorian – January 2, 2014

I disagree with MJ about many things but I do consider him a friend. Sometime he step in to brokers a truce between me & K-7 or RDR & I’ve no problem doing the same for him. We all share same interest after all.

268. I am not Herbert - January 2, 2014

…whispered words of wisdom: let it be, oh, let it be… ;-)

(don’t worry about “making peace”… just drop it… ok?) =)

269. Phil - January 2, 2014

A good article on Chris Pine – I’ve been a bit harsh towards him on professional issues, but the guy seems to be happy with the course he’s charted for his career. To that end, it’s not my job to be critical of that. If he’s happy where he’s at professionally, that’s all that matters.

Though he’ll never see this, I was out of line with those comments, it won’t happen again.

http://movies.yahoo.com/news/chris-pine-reveals-politics-amid-high-risk-jack-050000569.html

270. Red Dead Ryan - January 2, 2014

Interesting to see that soon after Andorian posts a comment laden with foul language directed at MJ (who, by the way, was merely offering someone else upthread a truce), Spock’s Bangs shows up, agreeing with him yet, paradoxically, somehow holding no “ill will” towards MJ.

I think we can all see what’s going on here. This jerk thinks he can try and disguise his true identity and throw in a small contrarian statement here to throw us all off.

Andorian/Spock’s Bangs: The gig is up. We know you’re one and the same.

271. Dave H - January 2, 2014

@262 / Andorian — followed by @264 / Spock’s Bangs

Having a nice conversation there with yourself, Spock’s Bangs?

And you accused me of being a sock-puppet?

272. Ahmed - January 2, 2014

And here is ANOTHER TREK PROJECT!

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Indie ‘Star Trek’ Film ‘Axanar’ Beams Up In 2014

The latest project on the horizon is Star Trek: Axanar, the brainchild of writer/producer Alec Peters (with help from VFX wizard Christian Gossett). It takes place in the year 2245, 21 years before the events of Star Trek: The Original Series. The story involves Starfleet Captain Kelvar Garth of Izar, one of Captain Kirk’s personal heroes, who would later betray Kirk in the TOS episode “Whom Gods Destroy.” Axanar tells the tale of Captain Garth’s victory at the Battle of Axanar, a decisive battle in the Four Years War against the Klingons.

Amongst the stars of Axanar are Battlestar Galactica‘s Richard Hatch, Alien Nation‘s Gary Graham, and JG Hertzler, who has previously played Klingon Martok on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.

Star Trek: Axanar begins shooting in February, with a Kickstarter to launch in March and a release date goal of Fall 2014. There is no live-action footage yet (obviously), but below are a few visual effects shots of the USS Ares, Captain Garth’s ship.

http://www.geeksofdoom.com/2013/12/31/indie-star-trek-film-axanar-beams-2014

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How many more projects out there? ?

273. Spock's Spurs - January 2, 2014

#270 “Andorian/Spock’s Bangs: The gig is up. We know you’re one and the same.”

Assuming you’re correct, which you aren’t, what ,exactly, has this heralded revelation brought you, oh wise player of video games? A new controller? A vintage copy of Mario Kart? :)
Nope. The answer, my pixelated cowboy, is this: you don’t get squat. Unless you think bragging rights about being wrong is something to crow about. Yeeeehaw!!

FACT!!

274. Dave H - January 2, 2014

Phil, thank you. Red Dead, thank you as well.

You guys are the type of people who would say “Hell No” when Hitler ordered a book burning.

263. Phil – January 2, 2014
@262 Intellectual leaders? Are you actually reading anything these guys post? Asides from accusing various individuals of being sock puppets, they contribute nothing…

275. I am not Herbert - January 2, 2014

…no, i think the pile-on posse is actually pretty fascist =(

…but i digress

…PLEASE just stop with all of the petty bullsh*t? thanks! =)

276. Spock's Bangs - January 2, 2014

#271 “@262 / Andorian — followed by @264 / Spock’s Bangs

Having a nice conversation there with yourself, Spock’s Bangs?

And you accused me of being a sock-puppet?”

Well, you may not be a sockpuppet, as you strongly profess, but I can assure you sir, you are either naive, gullible or perhaps a bit of both…….as you are, at least in this instance, 100% wrong. :)

FACT!

277. I am not Herbert - January 2, 2014

Ahmed: thx for the link! …like what I see so far! =) sweet little ship! =)

278. MJ - January 2, 2014

Spock’s Bangs, Dave H, Phil, RDR, Ahmed, and Myself:

How about a ceasefire, guys? This whole thing is staring to down-spiral into a McCarthism-like situation.

Everyone, let’s get back to discussing Star Trek. Spock’s Bangs said earlier:

“I have no ill feelings towards MJ,;”

and I will agree with this as well — I wish Spock’s Bangs a Happy New Year and bear him no ill feelings from me.

Enough with the accusation-fest; let’s all move on and discuss Trek in 2014.

279. I am not Herbert - January 2, 2014

MJ: Hear! Hear! (& kudos) =)

…can’t we all just get along…? (‘sniff) ;-(

280. Phil - January 2, 2014

@277. Yeah, time to move on.

So, now that the fan films are starting to refer to their projects as pilots now, and securing crowd source funding, do you suppose we will see CBS and Paramount start to clamp down on them? Why, you ask? Well, by actively soliciting funding, and referring to the product as a pilot, the implication is that these projects can be sold, hence, turning a profit. That’s the line previous fan productions were careful not to cross….

281. Red Dead Ryan - January 2, 2014

It seems that there is a rising level of arrogance amongst some of these fan productions, like they’re being run by official movie and tv producers, when in fact, these are amateurs who are getting way ahead of themselves.

There simply is no way that these fan films will be allowed to make money, via Kickstarter or by panhandling on the Las Vegas strip.

Not to mention that only a tiny minority of people actually watch these on a regular basis. I’ll bet more people watch little league baseball than these productions.

282. Captain Slow - January 2, 2014

As far as I know, Axanar hasn’t claimed to be a pilot, just a one-off movie.

What’s starting to annoy me is that nearly every fan film that starts up is set in the 23rd century on a Constitution-class ship just because they have access to TOS-style sets. It shows that rather than come up with a good story and then create everything they need to shoot that story, they’re just thinking of stories to use the sets they can borrow and sometimes the actors from Star Trek who they can get.

To all fan film creators: Please do something new! We’ve all seen TOS. We’ve seen Tuvok and Chekov and Icheb. Fans all cry that STID wasn’t original enough but when the fans make their own Star Trek they’re even less original.

Now I enjoy fan films. But I don’t watch them just to see old actors again. I want to see good stories well told. Some do that, others don’t.

283. Ahmed - January 3, 2014

@ 281. Captain Slow – January 2, 2014

“To all fan film creators: Please do something new! We’ve all seen TOS. We’ve seen Tuvok and Chekov and Icheb. Fans all cry that STID wasn’t original enough but when the fans make their own Star Trek they’re even less original.

Now I enjoy fan films. But I don’t watch them just to see old actors again. I want to see good stories well told. Some do that, others don’t.”

Well said. I hope future fan movies will move away from TOS era to after Voyager era & focus more on characters & a sci-fi story. It could be done with a smart script & good director.

“The Man from Earth” & “Cube” are two examples that you can make a very good movie even with a very small budget.

284. Trekboi - January 3, 2014

I am so sick of people making “Dark & Gritty” Star Trek.
Star Trek was unique because it the opposit of everything else- it was bright & optimistic.
Those who make “Babylon Trek” have entirely missed the point of Star Trek & sold out Roddenbery’s concept for a mediocre, gutless, small-minded, nihalistic, reductive product..

285. Optimistic Doodle - January 3, 2014

Understanding comes not from choosing between opposites but from embracing them.

286. Ahmed - January 3, 2014

284. Trekboi – January 3, 2014

“I am so sick of people making “Dark & Gritty” Star Trek.
Star Trek was unique because it the opposit of everything else- it was bright & optimistic.
Those who make “Babylon Trek” have entirely missed the point of Star Trek & sold out Roddenbery’s concept for a mediocre, gutless, small-minded, nihalistic, reductive product..”

They are not trying to imitate Babylon 5, far from it. It is “The Dark Knight” that everyone want to imitate. They tried it in STID & now it looks like the infection is spreading to fan films as well.

287. I am not Herbert - January 3, 2014

285. Optimistic Doodle speaks TRUTH! =D

288. Blue Thunder - January 3, 2014

Star Trek at its best delves into universal social and ethical commentaries while delivering a storyline that expands and pushes the mind’s eye. It is just fictional and it should offer a positive form of escapism.

What has been shown here, concerning Renegades, is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what Star Trek has addressed, as well as its positive message.

Like Star Trek Continues and Starship Farragut – it is totally the opposite and in a VERY negative way!

289. Mr.Atoz - January 3, 2014

Ahem… yeah. meh…

290. Jim Nightshade - January 4, 2014

I am thankful for projects like renegades…i enjoyed of gods and men as better than most fan productions…and for what it mostly was a homage n thank you to the fans…course it wasnt perfect but had its moments as most fan productions…the storyline was smart with good characterizations n loved uhura n checkov in it as well as a mirror universe variant…killing vulcan before jj got a chance to….all was restored by the end….renegades has more money behind it, better efx n i have to admit i was a kickstarter donater for this…as i have mentioned elsewhere i fail to understand totally why all the haters have to hate so strongly so negatively…you guys just seem to go FAR beyond just criticising something that as a trek fan you should be at least witholding your virulent hatred until the project comes out ..i dont mind criticism of anything n comments n opinions if you think its lacking is some respect but some of you go too far…sexual wanking fan comments for instance…and rude and lewd comments about fat old actors kissing…guess you guys dont experience any family members getting chubbier as they age huh…you guys with rude and lewd comments just go too far like you are getting off by your own rude lewd hate filled rantings….there how do you like it when your own comments are turned back to you? if you guys hate most trek so strongly why are you on this fan website? go over to the star wars fan sites if that is more your cup of tea….grow up n make your comments more intelligent and less offensive please….i bet at least some of you may find more to like once the production is finished…i have tried over a long period of time to tolerate this hate filled crap from supposed fans..,.sorry i dont like saying this but its freakun true…

291. Jim Nightshade - January 4, 2014

and comments about renegades being dark n not trek…i consider them variant stories like of gods which was mirror universe alternates…by the end of gods n men good prevailed and trek was victorious….variant storylines can be well done with stories making points etc….as others said non canon semi fan films as in the novels no harm done….

292. Doppelgänger - January 4, 2014

A good effort, but it still seems rather underwhelming.

293. ziplock9000 - January 4, 2014

Very poor quality acting and editing. Phase 2 and Continues has far better production values.

294. Phil - January 4, 2014

Well, as it was pointed out on a different thread, none of these productions are canon – so they can be dark and gritty, light and comic, steampunk, musical, or in haiku. Maybe we could see actual crossovers – Trek/X-Men/Dr. Who, or re-imaginations of Trek in the styles of Dukes of Hazard, MASH, One Life to Live, or NCIS.

Why not?

295. Alex Prewitt - January 4, 2014

Boy I wish Mrs. Brent would lay off the diatribe! The horse is dead.

296. Harringon - January 5, 2014

Utterly pathetic effort; almost as bad as the censorship in the comments. This thing is objectively terrible, you might as well let people say so.

297. Ahmed - January 5, 2014

@ 296. Harringon – January 5, 2014

“Utterly pathetic effort; almost as bad as the censorship in the comments. This thing is objectively terrible, you might as well let people say so.”

I take it you are new to the site, comments sometime get stuck in moderation. Just read the note in red above the message box

“NOTE: Your comment may need approval from a moderator, please be patient if your comment disappears as soon as you post it, it will reappear as soon as it is approved. ”

This happen to all of us from time to time, comments disappear & later reappear.

298. NX-01 - January 10, 2014

Eh, it looks fine to me. The only thing I dislike is the Starfleet uniforms. First, why are they constantly changing the da*n things? I’ve never seen an organization change uniforms as often as Starfleet. On top of that, these things look like pajamas. They are flat out awful and look ridiculous.

299. Blue Thunder - January 13, 2014

The more I have looked at it, the more that I am convinced that this is going to be a dud.

300. Blue Thunder - January 13, 2014

A major dud that Fred Freiberger himself would have participated in, if he were still alive.

301. Dom - January 14, 2014

The sound mix on the trailer was a bit of a mess, to be honest, which did the actors and set design no favours. But it looks like more Trek navel-gazing.

I keep saying this, I know, and I even said it about JJ’s films: stop making films and TV shows ***about*** Star Trek; make actual Star Trek.

Star Trek isn’t the UFP, Section 31, Klingons, Vulcans, Romulans and Cardassians and Khan. It’s about real people, with real flaws and real desires, who know that they’re still relatively ignorant about the workings of the universe, going on a journey into space to learn about what’s out there and thus learn more about themselves and ‘the human condition.’

I’m sorry, but I don’t see that in Renegades. All I see in that trailer is everything that’s been wrong with Star Trek since the late 80s: pointless cameos by old franchise actors, a bunch of characters from races that have already been explored (a female Khan, a Cardassian, a semi-Borg), a boring secret society (Section 31. Yawn!) A threat to the whole Federation has been done to death (even accounting for faster than light travel, if it’s anything big enough that it can threaten planets across millions of light years, chances are, thanks to relativity and time dilation, astronomers might have noticed and we’d have been prepared decades before.) Oh, and a hint of a Chosen One, predestination arc. Dull dull dull.

Here’s my suggestion. If we have to have ‘The Federation is on the brink of collapse!’ all the time, why not go the whole hog? Jump a hundred years into the future and have the Federation long-collapsed. Get it over with. It wouldn’t be a bad thing: by the end of the TNG films, we could see it was a sick puppy. It was yet another communist dictatorship set up with altruistic ideals that had failed and Starfleet’s admiralty was overrun with corruption.

So, it’s gone. A new go-getter Federation-type-thing has emerged in its stead after an era of conflict. An uneasy peace exists, as people learn to cooperate again. For the first time in decades, governments, the military and private enterprise join forces to finance a journey into previously-unexplored territories. The smug humans of TNG have been kicked in the balls and realise they still have a lot to learn.

The above could be covered in about three lines of dialogue somewhere in the first episode, then ignored, because most backstory is very boring — it’s only backstory in the first place because it didn’t need to be shown (did it Mr Lucas?)

So, with new design ships (sorry Matt Jefferies, but it’s time some equally-talented chap came along and created something new and iconic, rather than someone throwing up the latest corruption of your design classic!) the fleet sets out to explore new space territory. They go in the exact opposite direction from Kronos, the remains of Romulus/Vulcan, the Borg and any other old Trek race. Every civilisation is new, because they are boldly going where no man has gone before.

Somewhere along the way, Star Trek lost its mission. I suspect it was when Gene Roddenberry created TNG. In his rush to get to his idealised, perfected humans, he took away their vulnerability, their innocence and their need to learn. Instead, they boldly went where everyone else did, telling other races how much better than them humans were. He basically killed the Golden Goose. Berman destroyed the point of Data in the same way in Generations when he gave him emotions: Data with emotions no longer has anything to aim for, so he might as well have been died in that story.

Star Trek is really very simple: a bunch of people from disparate backgrounds, in a loose military structure — who really cares what organisation they work for? — travel to the final frontier. They rough it, they have adventures. It’s dangerous work and death can be around every corner, but they have the desire to explore, to learn, to better themselves, even if they die trying to get there. It’s the American Dream. It’s the Wild West. It most definitely isn’t the Soviet Socialist Republic of Trek envisaged in TNG and it’s a heck of a lot more fun.

302. officer wibble - January 21, 2014

Couldn’t bring myself to watch the 2nd trailer past half way. What a pile of crap. Deep low brrr to make it sound deep and meaningful. It died a death in the prometheus trailers. Acting looms cheesy. Editing is just awful. Utter shit. Should do well on SCI-fi. Between sharknado and an even cheesier fan made YouTube dross.

Hope it never makes it to air.

303. Jim - January 26, 2014

I am a huge Star Trek fan but I am disappointed that Admiral or Captain Janeway is no where to be found I think it is time to give Voyager its 15 minutes of fame and make a whole Voyager movie I wanna see Janeway back at the helm, after all she is the most decorated admiral in all of Star Fleet . BRING VOyager back in a motion picture

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