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These Are The Voyages Season 2 released April 18, 2014

by Brian Drew , Filed under: Books,History,TOS , trackback

The eagerly awaited second volume of author Marc Cushman’s exhaustive examination of the production of The Original Series, These Are The Voyages, was released this past Wednesday, and we have a closer look.

The first volume, which covered the history of the series from its earliest stages to the end of season one, was lauded by critics, fans, and cast members for it’s incredible attention to detail.  Leonard Nimoy himself called the book’s level of research “astounding…an incredible job”.

The second volume, which covers the entirety of season two and features a forward by Walter Koenig,  promises to be even more expansive than the first.  According to the promotional materials the second book will cover a variety of interesting topics:

A great deal of the book’s research comes from Gene Roddenberry’s personal collection of production notes, memos, letters, budgets and scripts, many of which are stored at UCLA.

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TrekMovie’s Nancy Garrett interviewed Cushman last fall, where he spoke of the genesis of the project (pun intended), the challenges he faced, and his feelings on Trek in general.  You can read that interview here: http://trekmovie.com/2013/10/27/exclusive-interview-with-these-are-the-voyages-author-marc-cushman/#more-36191

More information about the books, including the chance to purchase an autographed copy($29.95 plus shipping and handling) can be found here: http://www.thesearethevoyagesbooks.com/

Amazon also appears to be selling the book for the same $29.95, but apparently sans the author autographs.

The third volume of the series, covering season 3, will be released in the Fall.

TrekMovie will have more coverage of this title in the weeks ahead.

Comments

1. Eric - April 18, 2014

So many books on this, do we need another one? I’ve read the Roddenbery book, the Shatner book, even the one about the casting (can’t remember by who, Joe D’Acosta?).

I wonder on how this will compare to “Star Trek: The Real Story” by Herb Solow and Bob Justman. That seemed to me to be most accurate one on the story.

2. Chuck - April 18, 2014

I read “..the Real Story” which I loved as well. This follows in the same vein but is much more detailed and includes the ratings of the time. If you enjoyed “The real Story” you’ll like this book even more. Read Voyages One first which is available for eReaders at a much reduced price.

3. DJT - April 18, 2014

Where is the kindle version?

4. Cygnus-X1 - April 18, 2014

1. Eric – April 18, 2014

I wouldn’t dismiss this book without basis, but like you I do wonder how it compares to Justman and Solow’s “Inside Star Trek,” which is a wonderful read.

A review of this new book, and especially a comparison to the Justman/Solow book, would be greatly appreciated.

5. Jim Nightshade - April 19, 2014

kindle version is right in the store both seasons..i just bought the first e book for 9.99 downloading now cool thanks trekmovie.com

6. Toonloon - April 19, 2014

I imported this into the UK and it was very expensive to pay the import duties. When they released it in this country, it was an updated version. I’m going to wait for a UK release this time round.

7. TrekMadeMeWonder - April 19, 2014

I gotta get these fast!

The autograph seems like a big deal, too.

Happy April 19th!

8. Vger23 - April 19, 2014

I got a signed advance, signed copy of the book weeks ago and have read about half of it. If you’re wondering “if it’s worth it” or “how can it possibly be different,” well…start out with the fact that it is over 600 pages long and each volume is dedicated to a season. There is more detail than any other boom of its type. Also, it contains countless excerpts from actual production memos between the studios, producers and writers. Not just recounting the takes, but the memos as actually written during production. You can’t compare to that.

This is an absolute treasure. Well written, informative, and extraordinarily thorough…it’s addicting and a perfect companion piece to the series. The best part is that these books let you re-watch the show through a different lens, which is hard after almost 50 years.

For once, let’s not b!+ch about something and enjoy it.

I’d live to see Cushman conduct a similar effort on the first six films…perhaps one volume per three.

9. John Gill - April 19, 2014

1. Eric;
I have read all the previous books, also, but this series goes into much further details than any before it, and includes the REAL ratings for each episode, of which we were lead to believe for so long was the reason for cancellation. Now the truth comes out.

10. bjdcharlie - April 19, 2014

Just amazing…..must have for any TOS fan.

I think the big take away is that producing ST was a gargantuan, titanic struggle. And that’s what made it good.

I bought the bundle for 50 bucks, plus ten bucks shipping.

11. Marja - April 19, 2014

10, charlie, “bundle”? Please telll us what a “bundle” is, and where it’s available, thanks.

12. JB - April 19, 2014

The answer to Eric’s question above is yes, it’s worth it. I thought Solow and Justman’s work was great but Cushman uses the UCLA archives to go into much greater detail on how each episode went from concept to post-production. I’ve really enjoyed seeing how ideas were added and deleted to the scripts and the different perspectives that each creative contributor (the writers, Justman, Coon, Fontana, Roddenberry, etc.) brought to the process.

There is one aspect of the books I’ve been wondering about, though. Cushman states that Star Trek’s cancellation had more to do with NBC getting fed up with Roddenberry than with the ratings. He cites a long list of credible grievances but so far I haven’t seen any sources quoted that would verify his characterization of the network execs’ position. Perhaps it’s in the third book.

13. Brian Drew - April 19, 2014

I can’t say it much better than Vger23, bjdcharlie, and JB did. If you’re a fan of TOS, this book series is a must-have. It’s easily the best non-fiction Trek book since Justman and Solow’s “Inside Star Trek”. I highly recommend rewatching the series as you go – it gives you a fresh perspective on shows most of us have been watching for decades.

I know that these books are expensive, but I can’t recommend them enough. The most remarkable thing about them is that it took this long for someone to write them.

When he’s done with TOS, I hope he tackles the post-TOS era all the way through TMP. That era is a saga all it’s own.

DJT – the Kindle version isn’t out yet. I’m guessing it’ll surface within a month.

14. Smoking Robot - April 19, 2014

What was the combination to the safe?

15. Corylea - April 19, 2014

This book goes into greater detail than anything you have ever read before. Cushman talks about the initial version of the story for each episode, how that story changes and develops over time, and which staff writers added which bits to the script. He talks about which parts of the episode were filmed on which days and mentions bobbles or problems in the filming. He quotes extensively from memos to show the input of Bob Justman, Dorothy Fontana, Gene Coon, and Gene Roddenberry into the developing script and has conducted interviews with writers, guest stars, directors, and lots of people who’ve never been heard from before.

It’s clear that an ENORMOUS amount of love and work and research went into producing this volume, and it’s truly a wonderful resource for the TOS fan. Yet it also has some very obvious errors, and — strangely, for a book that wants to be a reference work — no index. And while much of the book is painstakingly well documented, there are places where Cushman asserts some important and potentially controversial things without giving any documentation at all.

The book is clearly a labor of love, and yet Cushman has omitted some obvious steps, making the book a strange mixture of the astonishingly well done and the slapdash. One wonders why Cushman didn’t get the book proofread by someone at even my level of Star Trek knowledge — I’d have proofread the book for free and would have caught several errors — and he really should have gotten the book proofread by someone at the level of our most knowledgeable fans.

I’m thrilled that the book exists, and I enjoyed it immensely, but with better proofreading and more careful documentation and citation, the book could have been truly authoritative, rather than the strange mixture of things that it is now.

Even with the occasional error and the lack of index, this book is a must for any TOS fan — far and away more comprehensive and more detailed than any other Star Trek book EVER.

16. JB - April 19, 2014

15. Corylea – what errors have you found so far?

17. Julio Scissors - April 19, 2014

The first edition of this series is absolutely a must-have for any TOS enthusiast. When I purchased it I thought that I knew all there was to know about TOS, but after reading it I realized I hardly knew anything. The depth of information is amazing.

I can’t wait for this to be available on Kindle!

18. richpit - April 19, 2014

I’ll have to go check for the Kindle version of the first book, as I don’t think I ever knew of its existence! Sounds great to me!

19. Keachick (Rose) - April 19, 2014

“Learn why Leonard Nimoy almost didn’t return for Season Two.”

Because he liked being the centre of publicity and controversy? To find out just how much he and his character were revered?

20. Caesar - April 19, 2014

Holy cow! I never knew about these. Ordered the first one from the site, if I like it (and how could I not?) I’ll get the other two.

21. Disinvited - April 19, 2014

#19. Keachick (Rose) – April 19, 2014

If you recall any of my postings with regards to Mr. Nimoy you know that I am very fond of him as an actor, director, and artist in general. And I am very glad he was a part of Trek too, but I can’t help snickering, leading into a guffaw, when people try to rehabilitate him into a shining standard bearer for Trek. He simply wasn’t. He waffled and was as unsure of it as any NBC or Paramount Phase II exec. While he truthfully points out he never demanded Spock’s death, what he did do was heavily lobby for it believing, at times, that Trek was too heavy a burden that was sinking his career. I give him credit for being wise enough to realize that it could be something more and reverse course. But neither do I believe that it was best for Trek to resurrect his character to accomplish that even though as a fan I was very glad to have Spock back. What he did was what was best for HIS career and as a Nimoy fan I am glad he did, but as a Trek fan not so much. In my opinion, he derailed a much better story approach to accomplish this and movie Trek storytelling has been paying the price ever since.

22. DJT - April 19, 2014

Here an idea for a TV show :

A behind-the-scenes making of TOS. Basically, these books, in a TV format. Can you see who would play Shatner? Nimoy? Roddenberry? Jefferies? Part Mad Men, part West Wing, part Larry Sanders, part historical drama.

Mmmmm. Some day.

23. Cygnus-X1 - April 19, 2014

You guys have convinced me! I’m getting these!

24. Tiger - April 20, 2014

@22 While I think a TV show is a bit too much and wouldnt gain any real traction outside of hardcore fans, a Tv movie could work. That could be something that lands on cable somewhere. I think a hard look at Roddenberry and the turmoil of keeping Trek on the air with all the infighting mixed with the crazy fandom that came out of it would be….facinating! ;)

25. Bill Krewson - April 20, 2014

In addition to the other comments about the treasure that this volume contains, I would add that the photos are unique and amazing additions. Clips from outtakes and other non-screen pictures add to the tantalizing feeling that one gets when they read and imagine what it was really like back then.

Having both the printed edition and the Kindle eBook puts Trek trivia accessible when needed!

26. Hat Rick - April 20, 2014

It would be great if the role of an older William Shatner looking back on the days of yore (and framing the entire TV movie) would be played by none other than the Shat himself. Who else could play him? He’s truly the king of all media, appearing everywhere and doing everything.

By the way, I haven’t seen any of the daily Internet updates of Shatner’s latest media appearance or project yet, all day, and it’s already past noon. What’s the holdup?

27. Hat Rick - April 20, 2014

I was only slightly exaggerating about the frequency of the Shat’s projects and/or publicity rounds: Here’s a very recent news story about his most up-to-date public involvement — and on an Easter weekend, no less!

http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/william-shatner-enjoys-livetweeting-tv-shows–here-is-why-20140418-zqw5d.html

28. gingerly - April 20, 2014

@19

Just checking in to see which of the regulars are still around. HEY KEACHICK!!!

*goes back to lurk mode until there’s announcement of a new show and/or movie*

29. Jonboc - April 20, 2014

Volume 1 was was amazing….after being a fan for most of my 52 years, ANYTHING new, regarding TOS was rare, but a treat to discover. The first volume delivered something new with every turn of the page! I’ve thoroughly enjoyed reading the behind the scenes info on an episode, then watching it. NOT ordering this book isn’t even an option.

30. Mad Mann - April 20, 2014

Yep. Imma gonna get this! Even though I know all these stories already, I still read these for that mini-trivia I might have missed. I love Star Trek history!

31. Marja - April 20, 2014

21 Disinvited, I think they were talking about TOS, after Season 1 they were considering Lawrence Montaigne [Stonn] to replace Nimoy because Nimoy was making noises about leaving. I imagine that was because he may not have been getting the salary the putative star of the show, Shatner, was getting. While Nimoy was getting quite a bit more fan mail.

I do remember the kill-Spock! no-no-don’t-leave-Spock-dead! thing: Yeah, Nimoy was feeling pretty weighted down and unmarketable so was lobbying to end his life as Spock. Rumors began to circulate: “They’re killing Spock in the next movie!” AND BY GOD, THEY DID!

Well, let’s see, in 1983, Nimoy did a TV special about remembering Star Trek, &c., and in effect, lobbied for a return of Spock.

I attended a convention around that time [it was summer and hot as hell in St. Louis], and Nimoy and many of the cast were there. When Nimoy appeared, he said, “How many of you want Spock to come back from the dead?” Universal cheers.

So … we got the hash that was STIII. But he got to direct! And we got Robin Wood. Or whatever her name was, as Saavik. Shame.

32. Nomad - April 21, 2014

Delighted this has appeared so soon. Loved the first volume – bought the hard copy to browse from the shelf and the kindle to read on the train.

33. Scott B. here. - April 21, 2014

15 – Corylea — I’m curious as to whether you’re talking about the Season One book or the Season Two book.

I posted an early positive review of Volume One on Amazon, expressing dismay at the number of typos in the first edition. To my surprise, I was invited by author Marc Cushman to help proofread Volume Two. I’m the Scott R. Brooks mentioned on pages iv and viii of Volume Two. I’m a big ol’ Trek fan from the ’70s and have a pretty good eye for catching grammar and spelling stuff. It is a curse that makes life on the internet a living hell. I’m kidding. But it did get me this swell proofreading gig on what I consider one of the most important works ever regarding ST-TOS. These books are similar to reading Stephen Whitfield’s “The Making of Star Trek,” only it covers Every Single Episode of TOS, plus Every Major Player in the show. It’s exhaustive.

I haven’t had a chance to read my comp copy of Volume Two yet (full disclosure: I was given a free copy of both Volume Two and the “expanded, revised” edition of Volume One for my proofreading efforts; that is the sum total of my compensation; I hope that doesn’t make me a sell-out :-) ), but I checked out a couple of chapters and compared them to my notes to Marc. All my suggested corrections/revisions were made. The only thing I noticed that wasn’t changed is that the photo of Kirk, Tyree, Nona and McCoy in the cave in “A Private Little War” (page 382) is still flopped (reversed).

All that to say that while I’m sure you’ll find a few niggling errors that escaped the eyes of the dedicated proofreaders and editors who worked on this latest volume, they shouldn’t be as persistent as they were in that original Season One volume. Marc is a good guy, and wants the books to be the best they can be. You can send any errors you find to him on his Facebook page, and he will do what he can to correct future editions. Don’t let a few spelling errors turn you off of the treasure trove contained there.

To me, these books (Season Three should be out later this year) mark a seminal moment in Trek history, up there with the announcement of ST-TMP, the announcement of ST-TNG, Star Trek Remastered, and the release of the LaLa Land Original Soundtrack boxed set (and any other major moments in Trek history you would add to that list). They’re essential and indispensable resources for fans of the original series. Marc has devoted a major chunk of his life to assembling these; they’re a real love letter to Trek and a great gift to those of us for whom Star Trek is more than just a cool TV show. You can read my review of Volume Two here:

http://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/0989238148/ref=acr_offerlistingpage_text?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

If that link presents a problem, it’s easy enough to go to Amazon, find “These Are the Voyages Season Two” and look at the reviews there.

Enjoy!

Scott B. out.

34. Anthony Thompson - April 21, 2014

This series of books blows all previous ‘making – of’ entries out of the water because it’s based on the memos / letters / interviews of Roddenberry, Justman and Coon, etc., etc. It’s history as it happened. You are witness to the making of each episode from initial story idea right through to the post production, airing and ratings / reaction. It’s all there. There is NOTHING which compares to it.

35. Tom - April 21, 2014

Seems like there is an overwhelmingly positive response to these books. Was on the fence about getting these but it it sounds like everyone is learning something new about TOS from these books.

To Hat Rick’s point on Shatner’s many projects, I really hope the creative team have him and Nimoy involved in some way in the new movie.
I recently saw an article where Whoopi Goldberg was asking JJ for part in the new movie. Of course we don’t know if he would take her up on that but I would think he should look to include Shatner for the 50th anniversary before her. That being said I would not be opposed to Guinan in the movie.

Someone earlier mentioned about having these books about the production of all the films as well. Sounds like a great idea.

36. Spock's Second Favorite Organ - April 21, 2014

Yeah, these are great books, no doubt. I’ve enjoyed them both immensely.

One nitpick:

In volumes one and two of the books, no mention is made of the restored Blu-ray editions of the series. It’s a bit annoying as he makes repeated references to the old DVDs in which the brightness was foolishly turned up, undermining Jerry Finnerman’s wonderful cinematography. He keeps suggesting to the reader, “turn down your TV brightness till the pants show pure black to see Finnerman’s original intentions.” I have a better suggestion, buy the Blu-rays!

A request to the author: In volume 3, include a review of the new remasters including the new CGI effects. I’d love to know what Mr. Drew thinks of all the work that’s gone into these episodes since the original DVDs were released.

37. Disinvited - April 21, 2014

#31. Marja – April 20, 2014

Oh, I’m talking about that too. I recently recalled his speech and Q & A at Equicon ’76 on the heels of his book “I AM NOT SPOCK”. He retcons some surprise about the reaction now, but he made it clear with his provisos, restrictions and his speech that he was there to shore up his SHERLOCK HOLMES’ box office – service to Trek was incidental. I also recall he wasn’t a big fan of cameras back then, either. Besides, I don’t think ever accurately attributed the problem fans had with the book. He assumed it was because people wrongly thought he didn’t want to play the role. It was because in his manner and demeanor it was clear he regarded the topic as an “irritation” not worthy of his time.

My point is he was just there at Trek. He never embraced the phenomenon as much as its creator or even his costar Shatner. He was darn fine at his job which was the character, Spock, but statements attributed to him such as “I think I know what makes a STAR TREK.” in trying to dismiss first fans concerns are silly at best and hubris in the worst.

This article from a German site that amass Nimoy articles catches the Nimoy timbre of the from the decade after cancellation which echoes his dance with it:

http://www.leonardnimoy.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=554:the-questions-i-am-tired-of-answering-

” Leonard Nimoy lifts his head as if he has just crunched down on a fishbone. His eyes flash and a controlled calm levels his voice. He has been asked one question too many about his image as Mr. Spock of Star Trek.

“I am not,” he says. “a man trapped behind the pointed ears! I lead a very creative life, am offered and accept a wide variety of jobs. I feel constantly stimulated and challenged; and I feel proud of what I’ve done … “
He does a Vulcan pinch to a piece of cracked crab, and a kind of uneasy truce settles over the lunch table.
Ask Leonard Nimoy anything, but move at your own risk on questions about his role as Mr. Spock, the green skinned, bat-eared Klingon-slugger from the planet Vulcan, and star of the phenomenally successful Star Trek series, now being turned into a major motion picture.
So touchy is he about the role that has won him three Emmy nominations, and dominated his acting career, that he pounded out a whole book titled, “I Am Not Spock.”
Admits Nimoy now: “Maybe I made a mistake, with the title. Most people interpret it as meaning I don’t want to be Spock, which is not what I had in mind.” – “The Questions I Am Tired of Answering” by By Colin Dangaard, 1978

It also hints that part of this fire may have to do with his choice to keep his original name as an actor.

38. crazydaystrom - April 21, 2014

Can’t believe I’d forgotten about these books. Ordering Season One today!

39. T'cal - April 21, 2014

Just give me a quality weekly f***ing series!!

40. crazydaystrom - April 21, 2014

38. T’cal
“Just give me a quality weekly f***ing series!!”

Hear! Hear!
Just give US one! PLEASE!!!

41. Phil - April 21, 2014

@31. Yeah, I’d of left Spock dead, myself. But then, they didn’t ask me.

It’s been a long, long time since I’ve read any ‘behind the scenes’ book. Need to go get a copy of these…..

42. Disinvited - April 21, 2014

#31. Marja – April 20, 2014

Wasn’t Mark Lenard was also on that list?

43. Who cares - April 21, 2014

IDW Publishing just announced an upcoming 6 part story in their ongoing Star Trek series. Kirk and crew will encounter… Q.

44. crazydaystrom - April 21, 2014

43. Who cares
“Kirk and crew will encounter… Q.”

hmmm, interesting. Wonder if that means Q in the next movie? I’d prefer Trelane. Maybe Bad Robot’s going to connect the two somehow. hmmm

45. Spock's Second Favorite Organ - April 21, 2014

Correction, I should have written: I’d love to know what Mr. Cushman thinks of all the work that’s gone into these episodes since the original DVDs were released.

46. Spock's Second Favorite Organ - April 21, 2014

In reading Cushman’s books, it would seem that several classic episodes (e.g., Amok Time, I, Mudd, etc.) ran long and had scenes cut. Also, a few scenes were censored (close ups of the big ape dudes from The Galileo Seven, the chick in A Private Little War seen topless from the back, etc.).

Seems like there were some excellent opportunities to create extended versions of those episode (as was done with The Measure of a Man for the Next Generation Blu-rays). Too bad, missed opportunities!!! : – (

47. DLux - April 21, 2014

Someone was asking earlier about the “bundled” book package. Not sure if I can post links on here but you can find the bundle that includes both books autographed for $50 here:
http://www.thesearethevoyagesbooks.com/bundles.html

48. Disinvited - April 21, 2014

#46. Spock’s Second Favorite Organ – April 21, 2014

“Too bad, missed opportunities!!! : – (” – Spock’s Second Favorite Orga

I wouldn’t be so quick as to dismiss those opportunities as gone. I’ve lived through times when no one thought Trek’s two pilots could ever be restored and early episodes of Dr. WHO were thought lost forever.

Sounds to me as if these volumes are very important in that they show CBS they way to take advantage of any such “opportunities” as they arise. My only disappointment is that the directors of these episodes are unlikely to be around to helm such “original vision” restorations. We recently lost Cliff Bole who directed over 40 episodes of Trek from TNG forward.

just from TNG alone:

– Emergence (1994)
– Eye of the Beholder (1994)
– Liaisons (1993)
– Suspicions (1993)
– Starship Mine (1993)
– Aquiel (1993)
– Realm of Fear (1992)
– The Perfect Mate (1992)
– Unification II (1991)
– Silicon Avatar (1991)
– Redemption (1991)
– Qpid (1991)
– First Contact (1991)
– Remember Me (1990)
– The Best of Both Worlds: Part 2 (1990)
– The Best of Both Worlds: Part 1 (1990)
– Hollow Pursuits (1990)
– A Matter of Perspective (1990)
– The Hunted (1990)
– The Ensigns of Command (1989)
– The Emissary (1989)
– The Royale (1989)
– Conspiracy (1988)
– Hide and Q (1987)
– Lonely Among Us (1987)

49. ObsessiveStarTrekFan - April 22, 2014

This looks very interesting. I don’t have volume 1 either, so Amazon gets to make some money off me for both volumes. I read a lot on Kindle, but that’s for novels, not books I want to delve into, so it’s the hardcopies for me. I’ve just informed my older son what he’s getting me for my 60th birthday ;-)

50. dmduncan - April 22, 2014

Fans of Mid-Century Modern design will recognize its influence on the look of TOS. Here’s a cool little story where the bridge is reimagined:

http://www.retroist.com/2014/04/21/star-trek-re-imagined-as-mid-century-modern/

51. Marja - April 22, 2014

44 Daystrom, I hope it’s just for the IDW [AU] Star Trek Comic books. I cannot say enough how much I disliked 70% of the Q episodes. Ugh.

52. Marja - April 22, 2014

37 Disinvited, but Jaysis, just look at the descriptors of Spock used in the article – and it was often thus – “green-skinned, bat-eared” … always the big emphasis on the pointed ears, not the logical person Spock was, &c.

I like to say Nimoy taught me well the difference between an actor and a role, and taught me respect for what he often calls “the work” [Actors Studio-type talk for “acting” ;-)] … that an actor should be able to go in an do a job and then LEAVE the job as he goes on to other jobs [“The Making of Star Trek;” “I am not Spock”]. Many of us overcompensated by asking lots of questions about the WORK other than Spock, yes; but many of us learned not to scream “SPOCK!!!” when we saw Nimoy and instead addressed him by his name.

The creation of a character is of course a joint effort by the screenwriters, the actor, and often a director, but the actor, embodying the character, not only informs it but brings it to life.

And, actors enjoy doing other things than basking in their successes of a decade ago [Nimoy in the ’70s]. At that point, I think he was seeking for other interesting roles, and at that point in entertainment history, TV actors were slotted into just TV acting, and seldom got to play Broadway or do serious movies. You can see that this is no longer true nowadays [Quinto for example].

Nimoy DID learn from Trek fans to cherish their love and now reflects it most warmly to them.

I have a healthy respect for good actors thanks to him.

53. Marja - April 22, 2014

DLux,

That was me. I’ll be looking into the Bundle! Thanks for the link.

54. Marja - April 22, 2014

42 Dis, Yeah, I think he was, and contrasted with what I saw of Mr Montaigne [Stonn], I think it would have been well worth Desilu’s while to hire Mr Lenard away from “Here Come the Brides” …!

55. Cygnus-X1 - April 22, 2014

51. Marja – April 22, 2014

44 Daystrom, I hope it’s just for the IDW [AU] Star Trek Comic books. I cannot say enough how much I disliked 70% of the Q episodes. Ugh.

I’m with you there.

I can just imagine the two stoned writers who came up with the Q premise:

Hey, what if there was like this dude who knew everything and could do anything he wanted to?

Oh, maaaaan!! That would be so AWESOME!!

[5 minutes later]

Um yeah, but like, if he knows everything about the universe and can do anything he wants then why would he bother with Picard and his crew?

Ohh…umm…yeah…hmm…I dunno, I guess that’s just like “his thing.”

Umm…OK, yeah! That works! Wait, so, does he like just have sex with whoever he wants all the time?

I dunno man…if he does you know we can’t show it, so it doesn’t really matter.

huh huh, oh yeah.

56. Disinvited - April 22, 2014

#52. Marja – April 22, 2014

“but Jaysis, just look at the descriptors of Spock used in the article – and it was often thus – “green-skinned, bat-eared” … always the big emphasis on the pointed ears, not the logical person Spock was, &c.” – Marja

Aah, but he didn’t respond in the manner of an artist concerned with a character, or STAR TREK for that matter, being mischaracterized, his focus was “I am not a man trapped behind the pointed ears!”. I heard the man speak in person at that convention with many others who had been as much a part of STAR TREK and I might add had to put up with just as ignorant questions. Arlene Martel’s talk had a very different tone than that of Nimoy’s and made it easy to get a sense of what he was about in comparison. Again, I don’t begrudge him this; I only begrudge him and the nuFans, that would wield his views thusly, the right to dismiss out of hand concerns of first fans that nuParamount’s STAR TREK isn’t what they recognize as the STAR TREK that fired them up in the 1960s. He helped produced great STAR TREK because he was and is a consummate artist that knew how to do his job. Along the way, he was as confused and befuddled by Trek, the phenomenon, as – Dare I say? – Les Moonves, himself. To his credit, he eventually came around to abandoning the fear that Trek had some how marred his career. But the choices he made believing that because he had a fear therefore it must be real, were mistakes for STAR TREK in the long run and I don’t feel that we should let him off the hook when he and others suggest that Nimoy knows what’s best for Trek because he was there in the beginning collecting a paycheck.

When I first saw THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK, I felt it really hit home for me as to his deficiencies in this “understanding” area. I can’t recall those original fresh events clearly enough to give you the blow by blow as each hit me. Heck, I can’t even explain why I have an apparent memory of Bjo Trimble explaining to me that “He was a baby director.” when my logical mind tells me that such a thing is impossible as I didn’t see it at a con or a special screening. The only explanation that I can come up with is that the local University’s theater would get Trek films a year after their theatrical runs had completed and I have a very hazy memory of seeing Mike Hodel of HOUR 25 with his pipe there once. It is possible (but nevertheless a total retcon of my memories from that time.) that I saw Bjo there during a WRATH OF KHAN screening.

“I have a healthy respect for good actors thanks to him.” – Marja

As do I, but again, don’t confuse Leonard Nimoy the good wide spectrum artist with being a constant shining standard bearer for STAR TREK. He simply wasn’t. He wears the appellation like an ill-fitted suit.

57. Hugh Hoyland - April 22, 2014

Not to get off topic and its just a rumor… I think, but its possible Bob Orci might be directing the next Trek movie. We’ll have to wait and see.

58. Hugh Hoyland - April 22, 2014

Sorry if thats been talked about already as well.

As to this book, looks VERY interesting to me. I always like to know more about the behind the scene stuff that happened on TOS. And I think I have Star Trek the real story, so I’ll give that a look to.

59. Ahmed - April 22, 2014

Some Star Trek 3 news!

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Roberto Orci Lobbying to Direct STAR TREK 3 as Film Partnership with Alex Kurtzman Ends

With Abrams busy on Star Wars for the foreseeable future, a new director was needed to take over the Trek franchise. Orci and Kurtzman had already begun to splinter as Orci took up principal duties on Trek 3 as producer and co-writer with his protégés Patrick McKay and John D. Payne, and Variety adds that he is heavily lobbying to direct the film. Apparently Bad Robot and Skydance Productions—co-producers on Trek 3—are in favor of this idea (as is Abrams himself), but Paramount is being cautious.

The studio first approached Attack the Block helmer Joe Cornish about taking over for Abrams on Trek 3, and while he considered the offer, he subsequently decided he’d rather direct something from the ground-up rather than step into an existing franchise (he’s now onboard the spy thriller Section 6). It’s unclear if Paramount has any other directors under serious consideration right now or if they’re currently focused on making a decision with regards to Orci taking the helm.

Orci has long been the Trek expert on the franchise’s team, but I’m dubious of him taking the reigns of the franchise as director. It’s no secret that he was the primary driving force behind the “false flag” and conspiracy angles of Into Darkness, and I’m not crazy about seeing what a Trek film looks like without the counter-balance of Abrams and Kurtzman. If he gets the job, this would be 100% Orci’s baby.

http://collider.com/star-trek-3-director-roberto-orci/

60. Cervantes - April 22, 2014

With respect, I’d rather someone with some proven actual directorial experience to direct the next movie…rather than the scriptwriter.

Still, if he manages to persuade Paramount that this is a good idea, then all the best to him for getting a multi-million dollar ‘tentpole’ to cut his teeth on in this regard.

61. Disinvited - April 22, 2014

#55. Cygnus-X1 – April 22, 2014, 51. Marja – April 22, 2014

I always thought someone thought “Man we’ve got the DC comics Trek going great; we need some sort of tie-in! I know! MXYZPTLK!”

John de Lancie, I seem to have first become aware of him as sneaking some SF onto a soap opera on which he was starring on TV.

I like the actor and the man. I thought the Q character was a little rudderless – an ersatz Trelane blown out of proportion by TNG being newer, and therefore had to be bigger, illogic. I enjoyed what de Lancie was able to do with the role. But I agree, infuriatingly inconsistently written.

I recall hearing him speak somewhere live and doing a Q&A afterwards. Maybe that Creation Con where Stewart auctioned off the SNL Loveboat Enterprise model? Anyway, I don’t recall where but I recall that he had what I felt at the time were some credible notions for where his Q character should be developed next in Trek. He had been engaged with Nimoy co-producing audio SF for public radio and it was clear he had written scripts for it.

62. Ahmed - April 22, 2014

@ 60. Cervantes – April 22, 2014

“With respect, I’d rather someone with some proven actual directorial experience to direct the next movie…rather than the scriptwriter.”

Yeah, my first reaction when I read the news was WTF, are you kidding me? but then I thought, who cares?

It doesn’t make much difference if they went with Orci or McG, let them finish work on the bloody movie & be done with it. Then move on to a new team.

63. Phil - April 22, 2014

One little problem – if Orci does a decent job behind the camera, there won’t be any moving on to a new team. Even if Bad Robot does step aside, there has been enough development around the new universe that it’s not going away.

64. Phil - April 22, 2014

@57. I saw the story in Variety. I also recall some idle speculation around here that he’s get a hard look, so it shouldn’t be a surprise if he gets the nod.

65. Ahmed - April 22, 2014

@63. Phil

“if Orci does a decent job behind the camera, there won’t be any moving on to a new team.”

That is a BIG IF

“Even if Bad Robot does step aside, there has been enough development around the new universe that it’s not going away.”

Didn’t say that, they can continue with the new universe but with a new team. Unless you are thinking that the current team is irreplaceable!

66. Keachick (Rose) - April 22, 2014

The notion of Roberto Orci being the next director is just more rumour mongering and should be seen and dismissed as just being that.

Paramount are keeping what is really going on with the third movie to themselves and are throwing out more “false flags”. Once genuine notification of pre-production has begun and a date set for principle photography and casting confirmed, then we will hear who the director will be. This is just this film company tends to do things which is also how Bad Robot does things. Remember that JJ Abrams Bad Robot is still making this third Star Trek film.

McG could do an OK job. Maybe outer space might have a little fun…and not the crazy blow ‘em stuff or silly slow-mo martial arts scenes etc, but just the simplicity of genuine fun. The question is – are each one of us ready for it yet? or do we want, or seem to really need, yet more punch ups etc before the pendulum can swing to a more sane middle?

67. Marja - April 22, 2014

56 Dis, “As do I, but again, don’t confuse Leonard Nimoy the good wide spectrum artist with being a constant shining standard bearer for STAR TREK. He simply wasn’t. He wears the appellation like an ill-fitted suit.”

Oh, I know! I heard about this sort of thing from older fans [in those early years I was stuck in the hinterlands of North Carolina, nowhere near a convention of any sort — I entered fandom with the advent of WOK]. Nimoy wore Star Trek like an ill-fitted suit for quite a while, I think until the love of the fans made him aware just how big a part he was of some peoples’ creative lives. After WOK. After that he really owned it. So to speak.

I was mostly speaking of his attitude toward acting and how he preferred to be approached as an actor. Which, in my early days of fandom, was “with kid gloves.”

Who wouldn’t hate to be typecast? Most could be a bit more accommodating about it, though.
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61 Dis, While I dislike Q the character, I thought deLancie made watching it fairly bearable. I like the actor.

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RE: ORCI

Who is this McG people are referring to?

Wonder if Orci would slow down the pace in the movie just a bit and allow for more character development. The pell-mell action thing is more JJ’s style innit?

Here’s hoping that if he does get the helm, he doesn’t drive the Enterprise and her crew onto a lee shore.

68. Disinvited - April 22, 2014

#60. Cervantes – April 22, 2014

Well, I too wish Paramount would demonstrate the same reverence their old selves showed in launching the Trek film franchise, for its anniversary by recruiting a “name” director. However, neither can we ignore that Meyer and Nimoy rose to the challenge.

Orci directing is important. If only because he has the courage to do it and will be laying on the line his undistorted vision which will likely cement him as either the source of all that works with these films or that fails. And how can any of us Trek fans deny another his right to boldly go after it?

69. Ahmed - April 22, 2014

@67. Marja

“Who is this McG people are referring to?”

How come you don’t know the man behind such modern classics like Charlie’s Angels 1 & 2, Terminator Salvation & This Means War!!

70. Phil - April 22, 2014

@65. No, it’s not a big ‘if’. These guys have a track record in TV and film that most consider successful. Like it or not, Bad Robot is responsible for about 40% of the revenue generated by the film franchise. So if Orci produces a decent product, the only way Bad Robot does not do Trek IV is if they choose not to. There won’t be any ‘moving on’ to a new team, unless Bad robot says they are no longer interested.

To that end, I hope Bob gives us a better effort, and wish them luck.

71. Disinvited - April 22, 2014

#67. Marja – April 22, 2014

“Who is this McG people are referring to?”

I believe they are referring a the well known action film director/producer who successfully reboot LE FEMME NIKITA, itself a spinoff of the film NIKITA, for the CW network. I seriously was into to FEMME so I suppose it says something that McG and Maggie Q got my attention. He also produced TV’s spy show, CHUCK, which I very much enjoyed rooting for.

He came out of directing music videos to do Barrymore’s CHARLIE’S ANGELS flicks.

72. Phil - April 22, 2014

@66. Rose, is that you? The comments seem a bit out of character for you.

If it is you, Variety is also reporting that Orci is pushing hard for the job. It’s not a done deal (at least publically), but I don’t think Variety would be reporting this if it didn’t rise past the level of rumor.

73. Ahmed - April 22, 2014

@ 70. Phil – April 22, 2014

“No, it’s not a big ‘if’. These guys have a track record in TV and film that most consider successful.”

Get real, dude. Like it or not, Bob never directed anything in his life, not a TV episode or a movie. At least, Alex directed one episode (Alias) & made one theatrical movie (People Like Us) & now working on his second movie, Venom.

74. Disinvited - April 22, 2014

# 63. Phil – April 22, 2014

” One little problem – if Orci does a decent job behind the camera, there won’t be any moving on to a new team. Even if Bad Robot does step aside, there has been enough development around the new universe that it’s not going away” – Phil

Well, one problem with that thinking is what passes for “a decent job” in STAR TREK runs against the grain of what the studio’s bean counters are looking for.

But even if he delivers, SONY has shown the way. SPIDERMAN 4 would have happened because SPIDERMAN 3 did decent but Sam and Tobey could not stand the bean countery dictates so they walked. Did SONY stay within their “decent” SPIDERMAN universe? No, they rinsed and repeat.

THAT, I believe might be the bigger threat that Paramount will keep rebooting the ToS characters in their forever young form. Having read more than my fair share of Trek novels this might not be as bad as we may fear. However, it threatens to put the focus of the Trek narrative on what I’d label eternal “proto” Trek which might be a nice place to visit but I would want it to live there.

75. dmduncan - April 22, 2014

If Bob wants the job, I hope he gets it. I think he’ll actually do a good job for Star Trek being the man who calls the shots, and not having things like the Shatner scene lost because he got outvoted by more people who were wrong about it than right.

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#73. Ahmed – April 22, 2014

So then, given that Shatner directed 10 episodes of T.J. HOOKER going into TREK V, I take it you join me in asking nuParamount to give him the same shot at a Director’s Cut of V that the old P gave Wise? If I understand your reasoning correctly I don’t need to remind you that Meyer had only directed once (TIME AFTER TIME) before taking the chair for Trek?

To be clear, I would fully expect Bob to be wise (pun intended) and direct a few eps of HAWAII 5-O and SLEEPY HALLOW in prep for his movie directing debut and I believe TV directing is now far more demanding than film?

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#76. Disinvited – April 22, 2014

Make that HOLLOW. Although I suppose a possible Freudian slip indicative of how I regard is work on that?

78. Cygnus-X1 - April 22, 2014

61. Disinvited – April 22, 2014

Oh, I’ve no complaints about John de Lancie at all. I can’t imagine anyone else doing a better job with that role. A fine actor he is, and I enjoyed him as the father of Jesse’s heroin-addict girlfriend in Breaking Bad as well.

I actually like the Mxyzptlk character better than Q because Mxyzptlk has a weakness that can be exploited. The Q character with absolutely no vulnerability was annoying. You just had to bear with the episode until Q finally decided, for no particular reason, to cease his mischief and leave poor Picard alone.

79. Disinvited - April 22, 2014

#74. Disinvited – April 22, 2014

Geesh, the typos. I would NOT want theTrek narrative to live there on PROTO lane.

#77. Disinvited – April 22, 2014

…how I regard “his” work on that?

80. Cygnus-X1 - April 22, 2014

74. Disinvited – April 22, 2014

THAT, I believe might be the bigger threat that Paramount will keep rebooting the ToS characters in their forever young form.

Oh, God…this horrible possibility would never have occurred to me. But, being a most superficial, shallow, soulless and financially risk-mitigated strategy, IT NOW SEEMS VERY LIKELY!!!!

We need to do like the boys in South Park did when George Lucas wouldn’t stop “fixing” and re-releasing his movies. They stole the master copies and destroyed them. I’m starting to think that a similar tack might be the only way to prevent Paramount from totally retroactively ruining all of the good Trek of the 20th Century. We have to steal all of the paperwork associated with ownership of the Star Trek brand and franchise. We hide the documents in a safe place…like in some mountain cave in Tibet…until a worthy visionary emerges to become the new keeper of the flame.

81. Disinvited - April 22, 2014

#78. Cygnus-X1 – April 22, 2014

I agree: an overblown Trelane. At least with Trelane, we would have had some underlying comprehension of his obsession with humans and possibly how from time to time he could not absolutely help but insert himself into their affairs.

82. Cygnus-X1 - April 22, 2014

P.S. And the new visionary AIN’T gonna be Bob Orci, for heaven’s sake.

I actually just let out an incredulous utterance when I saw that news about Orci lobbying to direct Trek 3.

Paramount just hired two new writers because Orci et al had done such a poor job on STID, and now Orci wants to be in charge of the whole next project?!? He got replaced as a Junior Lieutenant and now he’s asking to be made Captain!

Man alive…Just make the stupid 3rd BR Trek movie, and get it over and done with, and then go do Cowboys and Aliens 2 or whatever. I don’t even care any more. Just PLEASE let us know that there is an end to all of this at some point in the future and a hand-off to a new production company and its own sub-contracted writing staff.

83. Ahmed - April 22, 2014

@82. Cygnus-X1

“Just make the stupid 3rd BR Trek movie, and get it over and done with, and then go do Cowboys and Aliens 2 or whatever. I don’t even care any more. Just PLEASE let us know that there is an end to all of this at some point in the future and a hand-off to a new production company and its own sub-contracted writing staff.”

My thoughts exactly, just get it over with.

84. Disinvited - April 22, 2014

#82. Cygnus-X1 – April 22, 2014

I can only recall a director who was working with Mel Brooks as his producer and a tale he told of how Mel taught him how to get more money for a shoot he absolutely needed from a studio big wig and the wacky games that had to be played.

Suffice it to say that if Orci is determined to make this bold play, I think he can, indeed, get the gig. I mean he is sitting in the catbird seat in regards to declaring when the script is “done” which would allow him to steer it to a date that would give his bid the best odds of success – not that he would have to go that far. With JJ and Bad Robot going to bat for him, I’m sure they have some other property that Paramount might find worth their while to modify their Trek directorial requirements in exchange? Or maybe some other project that Paramount wants JJ to do a pass on with his 1st look privilege, because they want another director for it?

85. Michael Hall - April 23, 2014

Wow, reminiscenes of Equicon and the late, great Mike Hodel (who I was also privileged to meet before his untimely passing), all in one thread. I’m getting that warm, nostalgic glow all over.

I ordered TATV Season 2 yesterday, and can’t wait to get started. Am particularly interested to read the story behind Gene Coon’s decision to leave TOS, a creative disaster from which the series never recovered.

As to the news about the Supreme Court’s apparent dissolution, I sincerely wish both of these gentlemen nothing but the best. As to the possible impact on the nuTrek movie franchise, I only wish that I could bring myself to care at this point.

86. Keachick (Rose) - April 23, 2014

Phil – Yes, #66 was me, Rose, Keachick.

I guess I have got a bit sick of/hardened to the constant rumour as “fact” mongering that went on before the release of STID and this just seems like yet more of the same that was endured some two or more years ago.

I await the official announcement that Roberto Orci is a writer/producer and now principle director of the third Star Trek film made by Bad Robot Film Productions, which has been contracted by Star Trek movie franchise owner, Paramount, to make such films.

As for the posters who constantly bemoan the terribleness of Supreme Court writing and production and who constantly say they don’t really care anymore, well, they obviously *care* enough to come here to repeat their miserableness to all who read and post here. They continue to inflict their own disappointment and often faulty logic on those who simply just enjoy and are (cautiously) optimistic about the next film and what Roberto Orci can offer, not only in terms of a writer and producer, but also as a new director.

Please – Cygnus-X1, Ahmed, Michael Hall… – Find something else to be miserable about and go inflict yourselves there, ie go away! You offer nothing that is especially new or positive!

87. Phil - April 23, 2014

@86. Understood…

88. Disinvited - April 23, 2014

#85. Michael Hall – April 23, 2014

Yep, good times and fond memories.

Wasn’t there a guy out in Barstow who managed to maintain an archive of the HOUR 25 show? I wonder if it ever made the transition to the net?

I think there’s some shows in the Pacifica archives. I wonder if Roy of Hollywood is still around? He used to be pretty good at digging old chestnuts out of the archive to air as echoes of KPFK’s past.

89. Disinvited - April 23, 2014

#85. Michael Hall – April 23, 2014

I think I dug up a 4 minute sound check from the station’s engineer from that December day in 1976 when the the liquid courage fortified Hamill and Ford appeared:

http://a.hour25.us/1976/07-12/H25-1976-12-10-a.mp3

More nostalgia for you and me, and a taste of that interview for the rest.

90. Michael Hall - April 23, 2014

#88, 89–

Good times, indeed. I remember hearing Harlan Ellison read aloud his short story “Paladin of the Lost Hour” on the show one night. It was the dead of winter and I was for complicated reasons living out of my car at the time, but as the story concluded none of that even registered. Mike Hodel, myself (and thousands of others in Southern California, I’ll bet) were simply moved to tears by that tale of love and friendship and honoring one’s commitments. Long seconds of dead air ensued, after which Hodel quietly noted (in that sonorous, wonderful voice that was just made for radio), “I think we’ve just heard the Hugo winner for 1986″. He was right, of course. And, tragically, gone within the year. Like the Paladin, he lives on in memory.

91. Disinvited - April 23, 2014

#90. Michael Hall – April 23, 2014

Taxing my memory…Wasn’t that part of a fund raising stunt? I seem to recall Ellison was raising funds either for an SF bookstore (DANGEROUS VISIONS?) or the station itself. I think it was for a bookstore as I recall he was holed up in its main display window producing stories whose settings were suggested by contributors. A powerful night and story. If I’m not mistaken I stumbled across an episode of either the remake of THE TWILIGHT ZONE or THE OUTER LIMITS based on this story?

Found it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paladin_of_the_Lost_Hour

Hmmm…reading that, I think I confused it with a story whose setting was HOUR 25 itself. Still good memories re-immersing my senses like my departed Grandmother’s homemade bread baking aromas.

92. Michael Hall - April 23, 2014

#91 Disinvited,

The story was indeed adapted as a segment of the ’80s CBS Twilight Zone reboot, featuring Ellison’s teleplay and Danny Kaye as the Paladin, in what turned out to be his final performance. Not at all a bad show, though there were some technical issues which shouted cheapness (the Paladin’s pocket watch, which contains the last five minutes of time in the universe, at one point “levitates” on a clearly visible wire), while Ellison’s preferred actor for the role was actually the late, great Scatman Crothers.

I remember Hodel once doing a reading of Samuel Delaney’s novel Dhalgren on Hour 25. Man, I loved SF passionately back then, and still do to a degree, but that monstrosity of a book was too esoteric even for my tastes.

93. Disinvited - April 24, 2014

#92. Michael Hall – April 23, 2014

I actually started reminiscing about HOUR 25 on a chain for OT stuff but I’m bringing it here because it probably remains a large untapped well of info of Trek interviews that the authors should know is out there. That and STARLOG:

http://archive.org/stream/starlog_magazine-024/024_djvu.txt

”Heard every Friday night from 10 till mid-
night, Hour 25’s scheduling is far from op-
timal. “But everytime I think of complain-
ing about our time slot,” says Mike Hodel,
creator of the show, “I think of the only
other show I know of Xhat was similar to
ours — Hour of the Wolf in New York. It used
to be on WBAI-FM from 5 to 7, each Thurs-
day morning.”

Optimal or not, Hour 25’s time slot does
capture an audience of 50,000-plus loyal LA
listeners, and more through syndication
over Pacifica, a nationwide network serving
community radio stations.

Hour 25 was born in 1972, a few years
prior to the current SF boom, when Mike
Hodel, the station’s public affairs director,
radio producer Terry Hodel (Mike’s wife)
and station engineer Mitchell Harding
rallied around Mike’s idea to produce a
science-fiction radio talk show.

Grok Around the Clock was an early pro-
posal for the show’s title; Future Schlock
was another.

“We argued about the name on the air,”
Mike relates. “Finally,” says Terry, “we
asked our listeners for suggestions.” At the
time, the show began at midnight, so when a
listener wrote in suggesting Hour 25, the title
seemed ideal. Though the show now airs
earlier, the title remains appropriately eerie.
“Our audience knows everything,” Mike
Hodel states flatly. ‘ ‘We have one feature we
call the Group Mind. If we can’t find an
answer, we ask our listeners. We recently
asked if anyone knew Buck Rogers’ real first
name and had the answer within minutes.”
(By the way, the answer is Anthony.) Hour
25’s Group. Mind will also occasionally par-
ticipate in a Mass Review of a new book,
movie or TV show. “We had an inadvertent
Mass Review,” says Hodel, “when Bat-
tlestar Galactica premiered. Our guest that
night was Robert Bloch, who was fasci-
nating, but the only thing listeners called in
to discuss was Galactica.”

Many Hour 25 evenings revolve around
an interview. The show’s first live guest was
Theodore Sturgeon, and a host of SF greats
have followed since, including Ray Brad-
bury, Philip K. Dick, Robert Silverburg,
Frank Herbert, Fritz Leiber, Marion Zim-
mer Bradley, Larry Niven, Frederick Pohl
and starlog’s own David Gerrold.
Originating from movietown, Hour 25
often features chats with the great SF film-
makers, including Gene Roddenberry, Gary
Kurtz and Ralph Bakshi, and film stars like
John Agar and most of the Star Wars cast.
When there’s no guest in the audio
spotlight, Hour 25 often presents dramatic

readings by Harding or Hodel, or full-scaled
dramatizations with sound effects and
music— as they did with Food of the Gods
and Riders of the Purple Wage, ‘ ‘which had
Ted Sturgeon and Harlan Ellison in the
cast,” recalls Hodel.

‘ ‘One of our most exciting evenings,’ ‘ says
Terry Hodel, “was when Harlan Ellison
wrote a story on the air.” As an exercise for
the Group Mind, Ellison asked listeners for
story ideas. One of the notions appealed to
him and he built a plot around it. It appears
as “Hitler Painted Roses”‘ in Ellison’s an-
thology, Strange Wine.

Mike and Terry agree that their most
troublesome show was on the night that
Mark Hamill and Harrison Ford came to
talk about Star Wars, a week or two before
the film was to open.

“How can we put this gently?” Terry
muses, though Mike puts it bluntly, “They
were sloshed. This was apparently their first
public appearance for Star Wars, and they
were nervous.”

“Poor Mark Hamill,” Terry says, shak-
ingherhead. “He’s always charming, andat
least he was sober enough to talk. So we
directed all our questions about the film to
him.”

“But Hamill wanted to be fair to his
friend,” Mike adds, “so when we’d ask
Mark a question, he’d turn to Ford — who
was totally out of it — and say, ‘What Aoyou
think, Harrison?’ ”

Mitchell Harding, the third host of the
show, describes his radio persona this way:
“I’m the advocate of the real world. I re-
mind our listeners that science fiction is not
everything, and that they’re all more conser-
vative than they think they are.” But Har-
ding is as much a devotee of the genre as the
Hodels are.

A listener never loses sight of the fact that
Hour 25 is a show for, and by, discrim-
inating consumers of the fiction of science,
mind, imagination and the future. * ” –
By DAVID HOUSTON, “HOUR 25: Science Fiction on Radio”, STARLOG, No. 24, page 74, July 1979

94. Disinvited - April 24, 2014

From the same STARLOG 24, July 1979, a letter from Harlan Ellison that says it all about that resource:

“HARLAN ELLISON

Mainstream and
sometime SF author,
raconteur, winner of
awards and controver-
sial cult personality;
City on the Edge of
Forever, The Glass
Teat, Repent, Harele-
quin! Said the Ticktock Man.)

starlog deserves to flourish. Not
because you run pretty photos of multi-
million-dollar Hollywood hardware epics —
hell, every halfwit newsstand publication
from Time to TV Guide wastes space like
that. No, you deserve to live high and fully
and to a ripe old age because you perceive
the Universe as being greater and nobler
than a Burbank Studios soundstage. You
view all this flummery and slambang sopho-
morism with a clear eye and a rational
nature; and you understand that it is possi-
ble to draw in the naive and the innocent
with the pretty pictures, and enrich them
with an introduction to their own potential
for greatness and godhood through achieve-
ment and imagination. You deserve praise
and support because you fight the good
fight, trapped between your own lofty
ethics and your need to purvey cheap thrills
to get their attention. It cannot be an easy
task . . . and I applaud you. “

95. Adam Bomb 1701 - April 24, 2014

Maybe this series of books will answer one of the urban legends surrounding “Trek”. One of the unproduced stories was Norman Spinrad’s “He Walked Among Us”. If produced, Milton Berle would have been the guest star. “Trek” and Uncle Miltie would seem like an odder couple than Felix Unger and Oscar Madison. Maybe Berle’s name was floated as he was under a long-term (1951-81) contract with NBC, and the network wanted to get something back on their investment.

96. Disinvited - April 24, 2014

#95. Adam Bomb 1701 – April 24, 2014

You mean that he submitted it as a script, Coon obstinately rewrote it as a bad comedy which mortified Spinrad so much that he suggested Roddenberry pull the script, and it was?

http://www.startrek.com/article/doomsday-more-with-norman-spinrad-part-2

97. Disinvited - April 24, 2014

#95. Adam Bomb 1701 – April 24, 2014

And after he rediscovered the lost script, CBS squashed:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:DbdFzY07HnUJ:forums.startreknewvoyages.com/index.php%3Ftopic%3D12947.0+

“CBS has asked that Cawley Entertainment Company/Retro Film Studios, LLC not produce “He Walked Among Us” as a Star Trek: Phase II episode at this time. We have always worked closely with CBS and will abide by their wishes, as we have always done: as our goal is to support and promote the CBS/Paramount Star Trek franchise in any and all ways we can. We Thank Mr. Spinrad and CBS for their continued support and Friendship.

– James Cawley, Senior Executive Producer

« Last Edit: March 16, 2012, 08:37:50 pm by cawleyent »”

98. Michael Hall - April 25, 2014

Yes, this story got a fair amount of press in 2012. Spinrad was apparently an outlier as a TOS writer in that he was much happier working with Roddenberry than Gene Coon, being less than thrilled with Coon’s re-writes on “The Doomsday Machine” and the ultimately shelved “He Walked Among Us.” Spinrad also implied in several interviews that he felt Coon had ripped him off, since elements of “He Walked. . .” made their way into scripts that were subsequently produced.

In any case it’s unfortunate (and a little petty, IMO) that CBS chose to quash the Phase 2 adaptation of “He Walked Among Us,” which might have been a real hoot both to work on and to watch. Spinrad authored a couple of my favorite novels and short stories, and as a former Phase 2 crew member I had every intention of volunteering again if he’d gotten a chance to direct his own script.

99. Michael Hall - April 25, 2014

I received my copy of TATV Season 2 yesterday, and have read the first 50 pages, which detail the circumstances of TOS being renewed for its second year and the production of the first episode “Catspaw.” Not my favorite show by any means, but Cushman’s writing is so engaging and chockablock with factoids you didn’t know (such as the actor who played Korob’s tragic death in a car accident only a week after “Catspaw” aired) that book is a real page-turner whether the episode turned out to be a keeper or not.

Next up: Gene Coon’s “Metamorphosis,” which is definitely one of my favorites.

100. Gary 8.5 - April 25, 2014

it looks like I have to pick these two books up.
I am really intrigued by the prospect of the book on the third season .
Especially since that season was such a mixed bag .

101. Michael Hall - April 26, 2014

“I am really intrigued by the prospect of the book on the third season .
Especially since that season was such a mixed bag .”

Well, for me it was Season 2 that was the mixed bag, with shows ranging in quality and tone from the stellar (“Amok Time”, “The Doomsday Machine”) to the mediocre (“Patterns of Force”, “Catspaw”) the silly (“Gamesters of Triskelion”) and the downright awful (“The Apple”). Season 3, by contrast, was mostly ka-ka (and, worse, fairly cheesy ka-ka at that).

So far I can report that TATV Season 2, like its predecessor, is a fun, engaging read, the only slight disappointment being the chapter on Norman Spinrad’s “The Doomsday Machine” which, while being well-written, ultimately didn’t add much to my knowledge of that storied episode. Yet Cushman manages to end it on a note that captures the fun yet elegiac nature of this project perfectly: “Author’s Note: having interviewed William Windom, he was sarcastic and smart-assed. . . and absolutely delightful. May he rest in peace”. Awesome.

102. Gary 8.5 - April 27, 2014

Season 2 had its share of Prime Directive Interference Episodes
Patterns of Force, Breads and Circuses The Omega Glory and Piece ofThe Action ,POTA was my favorite of those.
Just plain fun .

103. Disinvited - April 30, 2014

Now this is the memoir of publicist Don Berrigan:

http://www.donberriganplays.com/Under_The_Hollywood_Sign_Aug_17_2011_Kindle_version.docx

And he contends NBC requested Jeffrey Hunter’s firing because of his wife:

“According to William Shatner, in 1966, Gene Roddenberry offered Lord the role of Captain Kirk on Star Trek, to replace Jeffrey Hunter whose wife was making too many demands. Lord asked for 50 percent ownership of the show, so Roddenberry gave the role to Shatner.” – Don Berrigan

104. Curious Cadet - May 2, 2014

@103 Disinvited,

Jack Lord would have made a good Kirk I think … I would have liked to have seen him in the role before he became McGarrett. His appearance as Felix Leiter in Dr. No makes me think so. In many ways Lord and Shatner are cut out of the same cloth.

105. Disinvited - May 5, 2014

#104. Curious Cadet – May 2, 2014

You definitely have a point worth pondering. I wonder if Jack would have brought Trek a modicum of the longevity he did 5-O?

106. Michael Hall - May 5, 2014

@ 104, 105–

No disrespect intended–but, really, you guys have got to be kidding. Fully aware as I am of Shatner’s limitations as an actor, his work as James T. Kirk was as vivid and nuanced as TOS itself. I was never a regular watcher of 5-O (despite its great credits sequence), but my impression of Lord’s Steve McGarrett by contrast was of a stiff, colorless drone. What am I missing here?

107. Disinvited - May 5, 2014

#106. Michael Hall – May 5, 2014

That the Jack Lord influenced by his tremendous success on 5-O and started phoning it in, wasn’t the one that won the auditioned for Trek. Two different stages of his life and career.

What I’d been interested in seeing was his screentest/audition.

108. Lore - May 6, 2014

Book him Spocko.

Book him Sulu.

Book him Bones.

Book ME Rand!

109. Gary 8.5 - May 10, 2014

So, any other thoughts or impressions about the new book ?

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