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See Deep Space Nine in HD from TNG Season 6 on Blu-ray + Will We See DS9 Series on Blu-ray? July 3, 2014

by Matt Wright , Filed under: DS9,DVD/Blu-ray,TNG Remastered , trackback

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Star Trek: The Next Generation Season 6 on Blu-ray last Tuesday gave fans an exciting glimpse at the Deep Space Nine station (setting for Star Trek: Deep Space Nine) in high definition. You get to see the station inside and out, even Morn! See below for the DS9 in HD images, plus a discussion about what the future holds for DS9 in HD.

Deep Space Nine in HD

The sixth season of Star Trek: The Next Generation on Blu-ray gives us our best look at the Deep Space Nine station yet. Free of the analog artifacts of the 1990’s post-production process, there are new details and coloring that can be made out on the station hull. We also get a very brief glimpse of sections of the Promenade in “Birthright”.

Check out the different shades and color variations along the hull of the station. The periodic yellow strips along the habitat ring were barely noticeable before.

Click images to enlarge

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The Promenade

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The Replimat

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Morn!

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Later in the season we see the runabout used by Picard, Data, Troi, and LaForge in “Timescape.” Sadly the runabout is either rather small in the frame or in motion, so there aren’t any amazingly clear shots to be had.

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One last sort of bonus is the coalescent organism from “Aquiel”, which gives us rough idea of what Odo might look like.

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The Future of Deep Space Nine and Voyager in HD?

CBS is now wrapping up their work remastering Star Trek: The Next Generation for HD and Blu-ray release. Which brings up the question as to what is next. Seeing Deep Space Nine above just adds to the hope that the entire series of Deep Space Nine would be remastered in the same way. However, the glimpses of DS9 seen on TNG Season 6 may be the only ones we will get in HD (at least for the near future).

One has to bear in mind the huge expense that CBS went to with remastering Next Generation. Due to the video post-production process used in the 80’s and 90’s they had to essentially recreate the entire post-production process to make TNG in HD, and that is very expensive. The same expensive process for TNG would have to be done for remastering Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (and Star Trek: Voyager for that matter). Star Trek: Enterprise – which was recently released on Blu-ray – didn’t have this issue because it was originally shot and broadcast in HD, so there was no remastering required.

While some fans may take this as a time to ramp up a good old fashioned campaign with social media and petitions, currently the best way to support the rest of the franchise getting the re-mastering treatment it deserves is to buy Star Trek: The Next Generation Blu-ray sets (and TOS and Enterprise sets as well), watching the remastered episodes on Amazon (they’re the only ones to have Seasons 3-5 in HD), and tuning in to the remastered episodes on SyFy in the UK, and the Tuesday night block of remastered episodes on BBC America here in the US.

The cost to do TOS (back circa 2006) and TNG were likely seen as worth it for CBS because TOS and TNG are the two most popular and well known (even to casual fans) series of the Star Trek franchise. So DS9 and VOY would require the same huge resources, but for a much smaller fan base. So you can imagine CBS is gun-shy about committing to seven more seasons of DS9 and then seven more seasons of Voyager.

This is a major shame, CBS Digital has all the right, very talented, people and they have their remastering workflow down pat now, however it appears that this is going to come to an end in just a few weeks when the work on the seventh season of TNG wraps up. TrekMovie will continue to monitor developments and will keep readers in the loop if we hear something different in the coming weeks and months.

TNG IN HD AVAILABLE ON AMAZON

The just released Star Trek: The Next Generation’s “Chain of Command” single disc set and the entire 6th season are available on Amazon.

The previous 5 TNG seasons are also available, currently discounted down to as low as $49.99.

Comments

1. Brandon M - July 3, 2014

Perhaps a good idea would be to offer a sample Blu Ray of a few DS9 episodes remastered, then if sales are brisk they can proceed with Season 1. If we could get Emissary, In the Pale Moonlight and The Visitor remastered, we would at least have something of an HD keepsake for DS9 fans should they not go into full production.

2. DavidJ - July 3, 2014

Sad to hear that the TNG sets aren’t selling as well as CBS hoped. The odds of getting DS9 were already pretty small to begin with, and that certainly isn’t going to help.

3. The MOSEPH!! - July 3, 2014

Well, CBS needs to understand that fans like myself can’t just run right out & spend anywhere from $80 to $130 per season. We have to wait until a good deal comes along such as when Amazon drops them to around $50 to $60. That may give the appearance that not as many fans want the show, but we DO want them. We just can’t afford the initial prices CBS & most retailers want to charge.

I personally would LOVE to own DS9 on Blu-ray. It’s my second favorite Trek after the original series. I hope & pray they go ahead with it.

4. TrekCore - July 3, 2014

Matt, with all due respect, your “cold hard truth” of advising people to buy the sets for TNG, Enterprise and TOS on Blu-ray has very little to do with CBS’s decision making process for a DS9 remastering project.

5. Kevin - July 3, 2014

@2 TrekCore

What do you mean? What else is involved that fans can do to make CBS to DS9?

6. TrekCore - July 3, 2014

@3 Kevin – I appreciate the desire to do *something* however all I can say is that CBS are well aware of the desire fans have for DS9 in HD.

In reality there’s very little you can do. As I’ve posted elsewhere, there are no current plans in place.

7. Trekboi - July 3, 2014

I want VOYAGER more than DS9.

Is there really a doubt that they will remaster all of Star Trek
?
Surely they will be making money off syndicating TNG & TOS in HD & will have to do the same for DS9 & Voy?
Not just DVD Sales.
They can’t keep selling the old (extremely poor) SD versions can they?
Not converting to HD would be like cutting their catalogue in half & abandoning 14 years of star Trek which they must have been making money off, not just TNG & TOS???

8. MAch1 - July 3, 2014

I read that the majority of the income comes from selling the rights to air the new Remastered Trek (including Netflix) rather than box set sales.

The fact that channels like SyFy in the UK have TNG remasterd at a near constant loop and the newly remastered series are televised as quickly as the box set is released speaks volumes in my opinion.

In fact, it is currently half way through the Remastered Series 5, I expect Series 6 to be the Remastered version when it airs too.

9. Kevin - July 3, 2014

@6 TrekCore

If they have no plans and there’s nothing we (as fans) can do….

You seem to know more than the rest of us — does that mean there’s really no hope for DS9, even if people go buy all the Blu-rays??

10. TrekCore - July 3, 2014

@9 – Kevin – I’m not saying there is “no hope”. I’m saying there are no plans in place, and buying extra Blu-rays isn’t going to change that.

11. Aaron (naysayers are gonna nay) - July 3, 2014

Trekcore had an article last May in which Bonchune said he still had the assets used for the show and that they were overbuilt so they stand well in hd remastering. Take a look at this article if you haven’t seen it yet.

http://trekcore.com/blog/2013/05/deep-space-nine-in-high-definition-one-step-closer/

So thi article isn’t entirely accurate.

PLUS the thing that really should be commented on here is the fact that TNG remastered is available on Amazon Prime in HD glory. My wife and I pay 80$ a year for Amazon Prime and just watch them on there!!! Way better deal than buying each season before the price goes down… I would suspect many are doing that too.

12. Kevin - July 3, 2014

@10 TrekCore

I read both your site and I read TM often, and now you’re telling us different things.

The article here says “Currently the best way to support the rest of the franchise getting the re-mastering treatment it deserves is to buy Star Trek: The Next Generation Blu-ray sets (and TOS and Enterprise sets as well). While this may seem a bit like shilling for CBS, this is the cold hard truth. ”

TM says buy Blu-rays, you’re saying that buying extra Blu-rays don’t matter. Your site usually seems to have more blu-ray info than I’ve seen here, so what is the real story here?

13. Trekboi - July 3, 2014

3. The MOSEPH!! – July 3, 2014

I am SO SICK of hearing Star Trek fans bitch about prices.
They expect Star Trek to be delivered to them on a silver platter & not pay for the privilege.
Letting down sales & waiting for discounts before they consider Supporting their ffavourite franchise.
It’s not a right to have Star Trek DVD’s & Blurays produced for us.
CBS is a business there to make money- they pay the artists to produce it for us in exchange for money- Do you guy’s actually get that?

Stop Bitching & SUPPORT STAR TREK.
If you want to see more of it.

14. CmdrR - July 3, 2014

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15. TrekCore - July 3, 2014

@11 – Aaron, yes, my article from last May still stands regarding CG assets. Matt isn’t entirely clear on this here – it’s somewhat vague – I’m not sure if he read our article or not.

@12 – Kevin – I don’t want to sound like I’m getting at Matt; it’s a nice article, but there are several inaccuracies. Most notable is encouraging readers to buy more Blu-rays to get DS9. This is simply not true. I’d reach out to Matt to offer him a heads up but I don’t have contact information. Hopefully he reads this and revises the article or gets in touch to clarify things.

16. Trekboi - July 3, 2014

8. MAch1 – July 3, 2014

Thats what I thought- this is not just about Bluray unit sales.

I would hate to see the other series only avalible on syndication & online/netflix & not get a Bluray release.

& Enterprise was Not ready for HD- it did need the FX shots upscaled, I hope this is sorted out one day.

17. Ahmed - July 3, 2014

@13. Trekboi

You expect people to spend $80 per season in the middle of a crappy economy ?

18. Kevin - July 3, 2014

@16 Trekboi

Enterprise was ready for HD, at least the live-action parts — the CGI was gradually increased in quality as the series progressed from S1 to S4. That’s just the nature of the originally-rendered files, I think.

@17 Ahmed
I’ve been getting the sets each time on release week for like $55, and Amazon’s been putting them on sale for less every so often (in the low $40s)

19. Ahmed - July 3, 2014

@15. TrekCore

“I’d reach out to Matt to offer him a heads up but I don’t have contact information.”

You will find the staff contact info at the About section, here is Matt email address:

matt [AT] trekmovie [DOT] com

20. TrekCore - July 3, 2014

@19 – Thanks Ahmed, I’ll drop him a line

21. Dom - July 3, 2014

A lot of DS9’s vector graphics files from the later years were reported to exist in the hands of one of the designers, IIRC, so they’d need re-rendering in HD, as opposed to recreating from scratch.

I can’t believe Blu-ray sales are the primary purpose of the HD upgrades anyway: it must be for archive TV and VOD syndication rather than discs. I’d never buy anything other than TOS Remastered on Blu-ray (given the very high prices of each season, even after several years, I still don’t own season three!) TNG I don’t really like (as long-timers here know ;)) so I would never buy it, especially for the huge price tag anything Trek-related always carries!

Increasingly, I buy TV shows in HD on iTunes or stream them on Netflix. In many cases, that’s more than adequate quality, as I don’t expect cinema quality from many TV shows. For me, Game of Thrones is an honourable exception, due to its exceptionally high-quality mastering, as is Supernatural, given it’s a ‘legacy’ collection (ie one I started collecting on Blu-ray years ago before I had web TV and like enough to want to complete it.) I would buy DS9 in HD on iTunes, possibly even Voyager, if the price was right. Certainly, watching them the whole way through on Netflix/Amazon Prime in HD would be a no-brainer!

I have a basic rule that, if a show exists in HD, I refuse to watch it knocked down to SD, so in the UK, where Blu-ray uptake has been very poor, I’m reliant on web-based services!

Here’s hoping DS9 gets the upgrade: it’s the best of the Star Trek spin-off shows and deserves the chance to shine in the future.

22. Dom - July 3, 2014

And my remark about the vector gfx got pre-emptied while I was typing! I thought it was Trekcore. Very nice bit or research there by Trekcore!

23. Dom - July 3, 2014

13. Trekboi

People always look for the best deal. It’s basic economics. When a show’s been out on BD for a number of years and stays at the same price when most others have dropped in price, expect people not to buy them!

24. DLope - July 3, 2014

There are so many great 2 & 3 part arcs in DS9, it would be a nice alternative to offer movie versions of those eps in HD like they’ve been doing with the 2 parters each season for TNG.

25. Kevin - July 3, 2014

@22 Dom

TOS is down to the low $30’s most of the time now, and sometimes you can get the three-pack of the series for like $70.

26. Jeyl - July 3, 2014

The way trek core puts it, it sounds like CBS has adopted Gene Roddenberry’s philosophy of a perfect humanity.

“We shouldn’t be worried about ‘things’. Our goals should be to better ourselves. Angels and Gods do not deal with money, and neither should we. Since we aspire to greatness above those who choose to do infantile things, money is no longer a deciding factor in how we operate. As of now, there are no plans for Deep Space Nine in High Definition. Now go and enrich yourselves.

CBS Entertainment”

What the heck else could it be?

“We do not understand nor do we even like Deep Space Nine. For a comedy show, it’s not even funny. Enterprise is a far more appropriate show to release on BluRay than Deep Space Nine. Archer giving speeches with dramatic music playing. That’s funny!

CBS Entertainment”

27. Cobra Commander - July 3, 2014

@TrekCore “I’d reach out to Matt to offer him a heads up”?? A heads up on what? That you disagree with his article? Your comments on here look more like advertising for your own site.

Matt’s got a good point. A “fan campaign” isn’t going to convince CBS to dump tons of money into a DS9 remaster, since it has a smaller fanbase than TNG. Buying Blu-rays won’t necessarily do it either, but it can help to show that people actually will buy the product, thus making CBS’s investment worth while. If they can’t make good money on TNG, how can they justify spending money on DS9?

28. Spectre-7 - July 3, 2014

Do people remember how much the old DVD season sets used to cost?

TNG S1 was 140$ when released in 2002, granted it was 10 years younger than 2012’s Blu-ray S1.

They bigger grief is re-buying the whole series if ya already own all of it on dvd

29. Michael Towns - July 3, 2014

I’ve been pre-ordering the TNG blu ray seasons for each season on Amazon. When you pre-order, you get a price guarantee. I’ve never payed more than $80 per season. And sometimes, I even get a reduction a few days after I get the season. One of the seasons only cost me $56.

Now, I’m not saying that $80 times seven is a small amount. But it’s not a bad deal for 24/26 episodes in remastered blu ray.

I would love to have DS9, but I am forced to agree that if you really want it, support TNG blu ray.

30. B Kramer - July 3, 2014

Eventually, inevitably they will come out on blu-ray. Dont’ forget to save up your bucks for 4K, 8K, Purple ray, 3D holograms etc when everything is reissued in future formats ad infinitum. ;^)

Looking forward to “Trials & Tribulations” in HD.

BK out.

31. Mad Mann - July 3, 2014

I like the idea of just doing a few DS9 episodes in HD. I would be happy with that. Maybe CBS could do a fan poll on various sites (like this and Trekcore) and pick the eps with the highest votes. While I would love all of them, I would be happy with the best 20-30 episodes of DS9 in HD.

32. Cobra Commander - July 3, 2014

@B Kramer – I’m looking forward to Infrared-Ray

33. spooky - July 3, 2014

Well I for one do hope that they eventually decide to bring DS9 and Voyager to Blu-ray.

I recently viewed some episodes from both DVD sets to compare with TNG Season 5 blu-ray. The DVD sets obviously look very rough in comparison to TNG in many spots, especially the CGI sequences which were rendered in low res and often given only 1 pass.
You will occasionally see anti-aliasing issues; for instance I watched Dragon’s Teeth last night and there is a composite shot of Janeway and one of the Vadwaur characters in the observation deck looking out at the ruined city and it was pretty bad. This is on DVD, the consistency of FX work is kind of all over the place for a series of that era.

Anyway, I doubt that my buying up each release of TNG on Blu-ray will affect any decision making. I still buy them anyway, I love this project and it keeps me interested in Star Trek. Knowing that a giant gap incoming after the release of the 7th season of TNG really does bring me down a bit.

So, I live and hope that they do make a decision soon. At least a confirmation that they are either doing it or not, a non response is cruel.

:0

34. Trekboi - July 3, 2014

This dhould be reposted

There must be hope all the pieces can be put together.
Or at least make the job a lot easier.

35. Trekboi - July 3, 2014

Lol Premature post.

This should be reposted

http://trekcore.com/blog/2013/05/deep-space-nine-in-high-definition-one-step-closer/

There must be hope all the pieces can be put together.
Or at least make the job a lot easier.

36. Trekboi - July 3, 2014

17. Ahmed – July 3, 2014

BitchBitchBitchBitchBitchBitchBitchBitchBitchBitchBitchBitchBitchBitchBitch

When TNG came out in Australia it was $150-235 on DVD
TOS & Enterprise were $120-150 on DVD

& you guys are Bitching about Remastered TNG/DS9 on Bluray for $80

Cheap Cheap Cheap.

Do you think other franchises have fan’s sitting around dictating prices to studios?

No they pay the money & are glad they have something for it- Star Trek fan’s are arrogant & spoiled.

37. Optimistic Doodle - July 3, 2014

I know dozens who are simply waiting for a ‘complete’ box set release, so I wouldn’t worry about sales yet.

DS9? Here’s my money in advance :-)

Deep. Space. Nine.

38. TUP - July 3, 2014

Is there added economic benefit in terms of syndication when the program is in HD? Do they get more money from Networks/Netflix etc and also, are they allowing the HD episodes to be used to broadcast?

39. NuFan - July 3, 2014

I’ve seen TNG-HD for 45% off sometimes on iTunes. So there is no excuse to be a bunch of cheapskates, since the real Star Trek is selling just fine on iTunes.

I guess with Star Trek 3, that new Trek will have to save the floundering old Trek yet again.

40. Ahmed - July 3, 2014

@18. Kevin & 36. Trekboi

I live in Canada & the prices are higher here than in US, that is why I will wait for Boxing Day to buy the Blu-ray.

“Do you think other franchises have fan’s sitting around dictating prices to studios? No they pay the money & are glad they have something for it”

Good for them :)

41. Newdivide1701 - July 3, 2014

The only real question I have is the TNG series finale, All Good Things. Will they use the triple nacelle Enterprise-D, or will they modify the Sovereign class so it can use the same sets from the Enterprise-D?

42. Mach1 - July 3, 2014

@38 TUP

As I said earlier, SyFy channel in the UK have been airing remastered HD TNG as soon as it has been officially released. They currently show two episodes a day and also repeat them the following afternoon. They are currently mid way through (for the second time) the remastered HD series 5. I am hoping when we get to series 6 it will be the HD remastered version this time (as it had not been released last time).

Add to they they are showing the complete series of DS9 and Voyager.

43. Bill Binder - July 3, 2014

Keep in mind that the blu-ray sales – above, below or just at expectations – are only a very small amount of the money CBS is hoping recoup from the mastering process. Star Trek: The Next Generation has been a cash cow for Paramount because it’s still in demand for cable and syndication rights. As television goes HD, demand for SD shows is less and less.

All the blu-ray sales in the world don’t beat out what SyFy or local affiliates pay out. Remastering TNG pretty much guarantees another 10 years minimum of rights. That’s huge money.

And the truth is, even if blu-ray sales of DS9 exceeded TNG (unlikely unfortunately). There’s just not the demand to put it on TV.

Do you have billboards for the local independant stations in your town? Look up on them; Captain Picard, Seinfeld, Ross & Rachel. Those are the shows that last in reruns. And those shows are available in HD.

I’m not saying that DS9 or Voyager won’t go HD. They may have learned a great deal in the last years on how to make it a more financially feasible endeavor, but as the article points out, it’s slightly higher cost for a very tiny portion of the return on investment.

44. OneBuckFilms - July 3, 2014

I see what TrekCore is saying, in that the sales figures for TNG-R are not really the factor for the CBS plans to remaster DS9.

If you want TNG in Blu, buy it. Same applies for anything else.

It may simply be that CBS have no active plans for DS9 on Blu-ray, because they simply haven’t planned for it.

Maybe they need CBS-D to work on other shows for CBS or on contract to other studios? They are an independent effects house, and do work beyond the Star Trek Blu-ray projects.

It’s an “I haven’t planned on it” rather than a “we’re not doing it.”

TrekCore may know of something that he’s not at liberty to divulge in terms of where CBS exec’s heads are at.

I want both DS9 and VOY on Blu, but it seems to be out of our hands at this point.

Patience, it may still happen, just not immediately.

45. Kevin - July 3, 2014

@37. Optimistic Doodle

TOS and ENT didn’t have “complete box sets,” just the separate seasons shrink-wrapped together — and there’s been no indication so far that TNG will have anything different. Why not just buy the seasons individually? It’s sure to be cheaper in the long run than dropping $400+ on seven seasons at once??

46. Telly - July 3, 2014

Who the hell’s been paying $80-$130 a season for the TNG sets? Since the launch of TNG on Blu-ray, I’ve been nabbing these sets for under $70 the week of release. I got TNG Season 6 for $59.99 (Best Buy and Target had the set at this price).

Price isn’t an excuse. Move on to something different.

47. smike - July 3, 2014

They should release some highlights from DS9 and VOY on Blu-Ray, the entire seasons don’t make any sense…

If I was CBS, I’d release thematically distinctive discs… a TOS-Klingon based set including Trials and Tribblations as well as all appearances of TOS Klingons, a Mirror Universe set, a huge Dominion War set including the entire story arc from the last five seasons…

For VOY I’d only go for the better two-parts released in a fashion not unlike the individual TNG “movies”… I want Caretaker, Future’s End, Scorpion, Dark Frontier and the Finale…

But I guess, even that will be a pipe dream now… It’s a pity…

48. pafan - July 3, 2014

I paid about $60 for TNG Season 6. Ignoring the bonus content, that is 26 episodes that run around 43 minutes each. 43 x 26=1118 minutes. That’s almost 19 hours of Star Trek! Many movies on Blu-ray cost around $20, or more. If you do the math, it is a good deal.

Paramount is a business. They have to make an acceptable return on their investment in order to continue with other Star Trek series. It’s basic economics.

If you don’t buy the Blu-ray sets, but complain anyway if DS9 does not get the HD treatment, then it is the same as not voting in an election.

49. Joe Burns - July 3, 2014

Brandon M @1:

Yes. While we can quibble over which episodes fit the bill (Dominion arc has to be represented IMHO), clearly reiterating the “Next Level” for DS9 would serve to test the market waters as speculation cannot.

Deep Space Nine progressed from a cautious first year to one of the most ambitious climaxes in TV history, an incredible seven-year arc. It deserves to be preserved at the quality that it was shot in. If only they had made Insurrection into a DS9 crossover instead of acne jokes. Grrr…

If the math for syndication doesn’t add up, perhaps this is a lost cause, but it seems to me that using CBS to do this now is the best option from the perspective of getting it done with a team that’s all dialed-in and ready to go, rather than ramping up from zero at some point in the future. Wouldn’t everyone feel like a dunce if they disbanded the team and then suddenly one of the actors has a comeback and the math changes?

Who, you may ask, is going to come back from this crew? A hint: lilac.

;-)

50. Marja - July 3, 2014

Even though I don’t have Blu-Ray myself, I strongly recommend they do this. DS9 is very popular among fans, check the Trek BBS and other sources, you’ll see what I mean.

If I ever get a Blu-Ray, I would def consider buying DS9.

51. Marja - July 3, 2014

13 Trekboi, Are you suggesting that people who love Trek who are financially disadvantaged, I don’t know, stop eating for a month?

We’re willing to wait till prices go down and many are willing to buy.

People of privilege, yes, do, go out and buy, but don’t get so snippy with retirees and others who love Trek. Particularly disabled military retirees.

I’m tempted to say something very impolite but will not.

I support your other stands on Trek, but not this one.

52. Marja - July 3, 2014

14 CmdrR,
Please see my #51. Yeah, I’ll bitch if I want, especially about high prices for things I would like to have but do not need. Some of us are on a pretty basic budget and can’t really afford nice-to-haves. But we’re still Trekfans.

30 B Kramer, LOL

And I do wonder if BluRay will be giving way to up and coming format I’ve heard chatter about.

53. Marja, Irritated Retiree - July 3, 2014

49, et. al, Price IS an “excuse.” Quit acting like privileged middle class who ignore working poor and retired Trekfans.

Personally $40 is a huge chunk of change for me. Enjoy your BluRays and your obviously middle-class or higher financial status.

54. Marja, Irritated Retiree - July 3, 2014

48 pafan,

Voting is free.
And it’s a hella lot more important than buying entertainment.

55. Disinvited - July 3, 2014

#32. Cobra Commander – July 3, 2014

I planned to hold out for gamma-ray. If its good enough for Dr. Bruce Banner, it’s good enough for me. But I feel my resolve dissolving. I think I will succumb to the charms of double-quilted plaid-ray!

56. Allen Williams - July 3, 2014

I’ve been surprised its only cost me $50-$60 per season. I said back in 2010 and 2011 that I was willing to pay $200 per season. I thought it made sense to charge a lot for the early adopters who would “eat” the bulk of the costs. Then as sales drop off, they could drop the price. I’m still willing to pay that for DS9, VGR, and ENT (which needs remastering for the SD effects)

57. AJ - July 3, 2014

I would think that having all of our Trek shows streaming on Netflix and/or Amazon services are quite sufficient for the general majority of fans out there, so running out and physically purchasing re-mastered BR discs for a small fortune is an option for only the most dedicated and cash rich fans among us.

Given the age of the shows, and the lack of any attempts by CBS to keep the post-TNG product relevant to younger viewers, as well as the fading of physical media such as DVD/BR discs as a thing, it’s no wonder that DS9 and VOY are a question mark for remastering. Also, assume TNG will be re-booted in the next decade, and you have a built-in new audience for that series’s upgraded product.

58. Hat Rick - July 3, 2014

@Disinvited, 56,

Keep in mind that with gamma-ray viewing, you will need to lay out an entire new wardrobe for use after viewing, except for the shorts and/or pants, which magically expand and contract after you revert to your non-Hulk form.

59. Ravi Valleti - July 3, 2014

Netflix, Hulu Plus, and Amazon Prime should subsidize HD remastering costs for DS9 and VOY. That way, CBS Paramount need not “rely” on blu-ray sales nor would it have to fully fund new remastering projects themselves. Syndication networks around the world could also be invited to chip-in.

60. Matt Wright - July 3, 2014

I thought what I said about TOS and TNG being worth the cost made it clear CBS thinks it’s worth it, and yes there are absolutely other avenues of distribution for example SyFy in the UK and Amazon Prime streaming in the US. For Trek to live on TV it needs to be in HD, networks aren’t interested in content that is not HD-ready.

The TV network part is really out of consumers hands, the only way to vote with your wallet is to buy the Blu-ray sets and watching the remastered versions on Amazon would certainly help too. As far as the TV networks go, there isn’t a ton the end-consumer can do.

For example: BBC America has only finally started to show the HD versions of season 1 of TNG in the last month, and only in a block on Tuesday nights. The rest of the time it’s the same old crappy SD versions. The remastered Season 1 came out in July 2012, and has been available on Hulu Plus and Amazon for quite some time now, as well as being licensed to SyFy in the UK since late-2012, but again we don’t have a huge say in that part of the equation.

So CBS considers the two most well known series to be worth the cost of remastering, but DS9 and VOY aren’t given hits, I would be very surprised if TV networks/streaming providers are banging down CBS’ door asking for them in HD, if they were I’m sure they would have made it clear they are planning to remaster them next.

61. dswynne - July 3, 2014

Based upon what I’ve read here, there is no doubt that CBS won’t produce a new ‘Trek show until previous ‘Trek series have been reformatted AND have both returned a profit on the new format.

62. Markus McLaughlin - July 3, 2014

I own the blu ray copy of TOS, it is far cheaper than it used to be. I like TNG but only certain episodes, I can wait for DS9 on blu-ray, my second fave Trek Series; In the meantime, I plan to own S1 of ENT on BD. That is a cool under appreciated show…

63. Skippy2k - July 3, 2014

I seem to recall seeing a couple of the cg setups rerendered in HD on YouTube. No sound but pretty sure they were the ones from the show?

64. Matt Wright - July 3, 2014

@ 63 – Yes, as I recall, the word around the net is that a 3D modeler with a good relationship with some of the original VFX guys was able to use their files and did some re-renders with higher resolution textures, on modern 3D software with better rendering effects, etc.

65. Skippy2k - July 3, 2014

Maybe they aren’t but it looks spot on to my recollection of the scene!

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IJs0-hhOZFQ

66. Skippy2k - July 3, 2014

Ah OK, that’s what it was then! You replied while I went to find the link! Remember this making me want DS9 HD all the more, really hope it happens!

67. Cygnus-X1 - July 3, 2014

DS9 and VOY have been streaming constantly on Netflix for a few years now, and Trek on the whole is Netflix’s biggest seller. I’m sure that this demand has not gone unnoticed by CBS as well as by other streaming services.

It may take a bit longer for DS9 and VOY to catch on with mainstream audiences, but after people have had their fill of TNG, it makes sense that they’d move on to the sequels, DS9 and VOY for something new along the lines of TNG. Sure, the ratings for DS9 and VOY were only around half those of TNG during the original runs of those shows, but I suspect that a substantial portion of the mainstream (though probably not in quite the numbers of TNG) will eventually “discover” these less successful sequels of TNG, especially in the absence of any new Trek (or anything remotely like Trek) on TV, thereby generating economic demand for their upgrade.

68. Nemesis4909 - July 4, 2014

13. Trekboi

I’m not sure that’s a fair statement really. I for one live on a fairly tight budget and can’t afford excesses as often as I’d like.

I do want to own TNG on blu ray but can’t really afford to right now. On Amazon UK some of them are down to below £30, I’ll wait until they approach £20 before considering a purchase, I eventually got TOS on blu ray once it came down to £60 for all 3 seasons which I felt was a fair deal. If I was financially a lot better off then I’d pay higher prices but alas I can’t, it’s a shame really.

Same with Enterprise, I’ll have to wait quite a while before I can afford those, particually since I already own them on DVD.

Does anyone know if Netflix will get the remastered TNG at any point? Last time I fired on a random episode it was the old version.

69. Dom - July 4, 2014

In the UK, Trek Blu-ray sets have been pretty consistently in the £40-£60 bracket. Season three of TOS is currently £60.55 on Amazon UK (US$103). To import from the US, I’d incur Value Added Tax (VAT) charges of an additional 20 per cent, so that’s not much use either.

It’s not that I technically can’t afford to pay the money: it’s that I have much better things to spend that amount of money on, no matter how much I like Trek. I can go for a nice meal for two for £60.55, buy a decent summer jacket that I need to wear to work, take a train to see friends on the other side of the country . . . it’s half the price of a London Zone 1-2 monthly travelcard . . .

£30 is pretty much the upper limit I’ll spend on any DVD or Blu-ray set. The only recent exceptions to the £30 rule were Game of Thrones (£50 for the first three seasons Blu-ray set and £60 on Kickstarter for the Walerian Borowczyk Camera Obscura restoration Blu-ray set, which was inclusive of an upfront payment to help restore some of the films.)

As with Star Wars, the corporate attitude to Trek fans seems to be that they are ‘obsessive’ enough to spend whatever CBS or Fox ask. Virtually every other TV show is cheaper after a few years. Even the Twin Peaks Blu-ray set, which includes all the episodes, the movie and a ton of extras is under £50 on day one in the UK on Amazon.

The daft thing is that, years after TOS diehards have bought the TOS sets, a price drop would actually vacuum up a second wave of fans who couldn’t afford to buy the sets of day one and this make CBS a profit.

As for DS9 and Voyager, I consider TNG-ENT to be pretty much one long series, so it’s bonkers to condemn fourteen seasons to the TV mortuary. Like I say, surely the HD overhaul is about TV and VOD where it would make sense to release a complete saga package for broadcasters. Are Blu-ray sales alone going to be all that significant in the greater scheme of things?

70. Kevin - July 4, 2014

@69 Dom

The sets are region free — you can probably buy them from the US for a lot cheaper when they’re on sale rather than pay those UK prices.

71. Zeeman1 - July 4, 2014

Well, if they weren’t charging almost $90/season for blue ray TNG then perhaps the sales would be higher.

There’s a reason Netflix is dominating.

72. DarExc - July 4, 2014

I’d rather watch something on netflix then store and put in a disk in my blu-ray player, plus I have to pay a huge price for something I can watch on netflix or with my old dvd’s….no thanks, though I’d love DS9 in HD, I don’t see it happening and I wouldn’t buy it, I have the DVD’s and paid enough for those…

73. Dom - July 4, 2014

Streaming and downloads are the way forward, it seems. Even my pensioner parents have Netflix these days. I still buy classics like Apocalypse Now, Metropolis or The Godfather on Blu-ray, but the rest? Not so much. I enjoyed the first four seasons of Sons of Anarchy, which I bought on Blu-ray, but after really disliking season five I’ll watch the rest on Netflix, which I’ve taken on since. Person of Interest, the same: love the show, bought season on on Blu, watched the excellent season two on Netflix.

I’m going to buy a couple of USB3 2TB hard drives, consolidate my iTunes library on to one (I have iTunes Match anyway) and start converting my DVDs to mp4s to put on the other. I’m not getting rid of my DVDs: most of them are in soft wallets in the event I need them, but, just as I no longer buy books, preferring Kindle and iBooks, I like having more space in my cluttered flat!

I can’t imagine the chaos all the Star Trek shows would create on disc, given how many of them there are now!! ;)

74. John - July 4, 2014

I am waiting for all TNG Bluray’s to be offered in an entire series pack 1-7 on Bluray before I buy it.

I’m assuming lots of other fans are the same !!

75. Trekboi - July 4, 2014

17. Ahmed

23. Dom

51. Marja

68. Nemesis4909

I am not criticising people who are poor or make Star Trek a lesser priority than other things they spend their money on.

I am criticising the people who can but Bitch about not getting the Star Trek products they want or feel they deserve when they are unwilling to pay for it.
CBS & Paramount want to see numbers- units sold & money- you are not supporting Star Trek by protesting pricing by waiting years for products to be discounted before buying these products

BTW I am currently Unemployed at the moment & was not earning more than minimum wage then so I am not some Rich Bitch Snob who can buy whatever I want but I do prioritise Star Trek as my favourite entertainment franchise & show my support with $$$ instead of bitching about things not being the way I want them to be as I have seen so many dillusional entitled fans do.

76. John - July 4, 2014

@67, I agree with you

Also if VOY never comes out on Bluray I will be soooo disappointed really really really disappointed

77. Trekboi - July 4, 2014

I really Want Voyager on DVD more than DS9- surely it will sell better than Enterprise on Bluray & HD syndication & Online?

78. TrekMadeMeFat - July 4, 2014

Rumor is Hulu is trying to back out of its agreement to buy streaming rights to all seven seasons of the HD upgrade of TNG. At present, they have only paid for the first two.

It’s a fight I’m sure CBS will ultimately win, but it is very telling that they no longer want the rest of it.

79. Jason - July 4, 2014

Who said TNG sets wern’t selling as well as CBS hoped?

80. Jeff Herman - July 5, 2014

Seasons 1-5 are also available to stream, via purchase, on VUDU, in 1080p HD.

81. Optimistic Doodle - July 5, 2014

@45. Kevin:

Yeah, I know, but that’s just me :-)
But I’m pretty sure I couldn’t wait that long to buy DS9!

82. Keachick (Rose) - July 5, 2014

Gosh, I have just managed to get all the Star Trek television series on DVD – TOS – 3 seasons; TNG – 7; DS9 – 7; Voy – 7; and Ent – 4. Now it is kind of expected that my son and I really need to go and get a blu-ray player each and then get all these series again in blu-ray HD whatever.

We have shared the cost of obtaining what we do have and it has certainly added up in monetary terms. I am on a small income and he gets a piddly students’ allowance. Then, of course, the other issue has always been availability… He ended up importing from the UK seasons 1 and 3 of TOS for about NZ$55, which I think was a good deal. I also prefer to support my local retailer, which was not possible in the case of the TOS series – just couldn’t get them anywhere.

We are quite happy with our DVDs. Maybe one day, we’ll go for the latest tech, but if the stories and acting are good, the rest is more or less dessert. After all, I first saw and fell in love with Star Trek by watching it on b/w TV, and on some occasions, the picture was snowy and the sound a little crackly, if we were watching it on someone’s TV away from a main centre like Auckland city. I never saw an episode in colour until the mid 1980’s.

I think I can cope, can manage…

83. Trekboi - July 6, 2014

82. Keachick (Rose) – July 5, 2014

Sorry babies, but you haven’t seen Star Trek unless you have seen it remastered on Bluray.

it’s waiting for you…

84. Dom - July 6, 2014

Buying DVDs in the HD era is much like buying VHS in the DVD era. When there are HD versions available, I’d rather save up and buy those. I’m selective about what I upgrade to on HD: most of my DVDs will live on as ripped files and I won’t replace most of them, but the classics and films/TV series I really like will be Blu-ray, because the best upgrades, such as the Star Treks, are a huge step up in quality, both in terms of audio and video. I bought the earlier TOS season one set on DVD in the stupid plastic case and was appalled at the supposedly ‘beautifully remastered’ quality. Thus I held out for the Blu-rays!

It’s bizarre that filmed TV shows from the start of TV through to the mid-eighties is relatively easily upgraded, yet there’s a generation of great recent stuff we’re precluded from seeing because a short-termist cost-saving exercise failed to take into account future syndication and the, by-then established, home video market. Many shows will be left to die because of that!

Personally, I’m keen to see The X-Files HD upgrades. The screengrabs I’ve seen look very nice and, by all accounts, they were shooting 16:9-safe, so the image has been expanded to full width. My concern is the rumour that HTV (of TNG season two fame) are only up-rezzing the stock shots and effects shots. Either way, I want The X-Files in HD!

85. Keachick (Rose) - July 6, 2014

Trekboi – “Sorry babies” – Would it be too much to ask for you to be not so contemptuous toward me and others in a similar situation?

Actually I find this whole HD etc tech, giving much better picture etc, quite amusing, given that a good half of our populations now require prescription eyewear (often expensive and highly technical) so that these people can see beyond their noses and/or read what’s right in front of them. What’s more, the people requiring such aids are getting younger and younger. Many people are colour blind as well.

Chris Pine needing glasses at 8 years old is no longer the exception, but is fast becoming the rule.

I only need to wear a NZ$10 basic pair of glasses for reading small print and this computer screen and do not need any eyewear to allow me to see properly when I am driving and never have. I am not colour blind either. I have been tested for all these.

We now have a digital TV with HD and frankly I have noticed little or no difference between an HD and non-HD picture. Honestly, I do not know what it is that others see or expect to see. I see only with my own eyes, without recourse to any artificial aids.

86. Disinvited - July 6, 2014

#83. Trekboi – July 6, 2014

And I am sorry but you haven’t lived until you’ve seen it on its original first run 16mm series film distribution reels projected onto the big screen (But then, how could you as you probably weren’t even born when those were fresh in mint condition?)

87. Oller A - July 7, 2014

I haven’t read all of the posts but I just want to throw in my two cents. DS9 and VOY should both be remastered, but if CBS doesn’t want to do both series in their entirety then they should poll the fans and put together one or two season’s worth of episodes into one collectors set for each series. The lack-luster sales for whole seasons on blue-ray is a repeat of what happened when all of the series were released on DVD. Then they started putting together various box sets that spanned all of the series based on various themes. Off the top of my head I remember sets for Time Travel, the Borg, Q, Klingons, and I believe there was a fans’ choice collection as well. I believe a fans choice set for DS9 and VOY would be a good compromise.

88. Kev - July 7, 2014

with how bad voyager got, if I had to choose one series to be remastered after TNG, it would be DS9 in a heartbeat.

and this is like all labors of love in the commercial world, its going to take 5 years to break even and then make a profit.

I do like the idea of a sampler though, basically take a tally of the best episodes of both series and then redo those only.

as god knows we dont need an HD version of Profit and Lace and threshold

89. Kev - July 7, 2014

also Trek Movie those yellow strips were not ment to show up on DS9’s Physical model.

as when it comes to converting the video stock of the Physical models to CGI or HD with trek they always seem to mess up the hue of the film stock

much like what happened when they converted miami vice from VHS to DVD/HD

as the people making the models knew how to use the camera and the filter to get certain effects out of the paint of the model to give off certain hues.

take the Excelsior for instance, it was given a slight blueish white paint job in ST 3 through 6, as this gave it a light grey shade to make it appear more advanced than the enterprise.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/102537907@N03/13313336313

http://www.flickr.com/photos/102537907@N03/10361589636

and that effect was absolutely ruined with the conversion to the CGI models used in DS9 and the model used in the flashback epsiode of voyager with the excelsior.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/102537907@N03/10482348613

so this is just another case of that happening and the modern tech has accidentally undone the intended effect by the paint job.

and if they do DS9 HD they’d better fix that asap.

90. Kev - July 7, 2014

oh as a final note, sorry I keep forgetting things to put in in the first place, the only model of the excelsior that I’ve seen that gets close to the original paint job.

is on the Micromachines one:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/55566160@N04/5601379645/sizes/o/

which they weirdly used on the miranda too:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/stasiuwong/356516923

and also I hated how in DS9 they put these giant blue glows on the ships, it just ruined the look, so if they do actually go through with a Remaster of DS9

there going to have to find an inbetween of the paint job and the lighting effect they used in DS9 for them.

91. Trekboi - July 7, 2014

86. Disinvited – July 6, 2014

Your rose colored glasses must serve you well- living in the past & all.
Projection is never as sharp as a quality flat screen, sorry yours is too small to appreciate it.

92. Disinvited - July 8, 2014

#91. Trekboi – July 7, 2014

And you have no concept for art displayed on the medium the artist created it, film, and viewed with the lighting said artist intended through projection.

You assert sharpness as the be all of art as if somehow it is “better” to see da Vinci’s LA GIOCONDA painting on a “quality” flat screen than properly displayed in a quality art gallery lit as he intended, viewed in person.

As you get older, you will find that even though Madison Avenue repeats to the contrary ad infinitum: “Newer is not always better.” and for some art, the artist, may indeed intend for it to be viewed through optical glass of a rosely hue.

93. John in Canada, eh? - July 8, 2014

I’d be willing to bet that the penny-pinchers at Paramount have already calculated whether or not they’ll upgrade the two remaining series to High Def. They know how much it’ll cost; they’ll know how much they’ll recoup with Blu-Ray sales. (Don’t forget, they have years of data from DVD and even VHS sales. They know how many people bought TNG DVDs, and likely rebought that series on Blu; they can therefore predict sales of potential DS9 and Voyager Blu-rays based on the sales of the DVD sets.)

The wild card is the on-demand and download services, as other posters have mentioned. If it’s profitable, they’ll do it; if it’s too risky, they won’t.

94. Matt Wright - July 8, 2014

@ 93 – Wrong corporate entity, CBS owns Trek on TV, not Paramount. They’re not the same company, they split ways in late-2005.

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