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Saldana Talks Star Trek/Avatar 2015 Productions Coordination + Pregnancy Confirmed July 23, 2014

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Zoe Saldana is going to have a busy 2015. The actress has confirmed speculation that she and her husband are expecting. She is also talking about shooting the next Star Trek and Avatar movies. More details below

Saldana Talks Star Trek/Avatar coordination + TOS Uhura as ‘eye candy’ + typecasting

Zoe Saldana will be hitting the big screen again on August 1st in the Marvel sci-fi film Guardians of the Galaxy and as part of the promotion she is the subject of a cover story interview in next issue of Hollywood Reporter Magazine. In the article the actress admits she doesn’t know anything about the plot of the next film but she did reveal that producers (presumably at Bad Robot) are coordinating with James Cameron’s team to coordinate her schedule for Trek and the next Avatar movie. Here is the excerpt…

So, what are Avatar 2, 3, and 4 going to be about? Reveal every plot detail, please.

I wish I knew! I’ve been told by Jim [Cameron] that it’ll be about an overall spiritual journey, but I don’t have a script.

OK, then how about Star Trek 3?

I know even less about Trek 3. All I know is that the producers of Trek 3 called the producers of Avatar 2 to find out when Avatar will finish shooting. [They both start shooting next year.]

In other interviews Saldana has said that shooting for the next Avatar films is set to start in "early" 2015. Recently Roberto Orci has said he hoped to start production for the 2016 Star Trek film in the spring of 2015. This would not be the first time that the productions had to work together, the shooting schedules for both JJ Abrams Star Trek and James Cameron’s Avatar also had some overlap.

The interview also touched on the issues of women in sci-fi and typecasting…

The sci-fi genre has not always been such a welcoming place for women. In the original Trek, most of the women were in miniskirts or tin-foil bikinis. Even Uhura wasn’t much of a role …
She was eye candy. But that’s true of every genre. Eighty percent of what’s out there is told through the point of view of a male. I can sit down with so many filmmakers for so many projects and play so many actors’ girlfriends or wives. But in sci-fi, I can play Gamora.

Are you worried about getting typecast in sci-fi? Are you longing to do a serious drama set in a one-room cottage in the woods?

A lot of the people who have power — the ones doing the casting or writing reviews — these are people who put people in boxes. They look at what I’ve done and think, "Oh she’s a sci-fi beauty queen." I wish that wasn’t the case. I didn’t purposely avoid doing things other than sci-fi. In between Avatar, Star Trek and Guardians, I’ve done other films, right here on Earth.

New Guardians Clip

Speaking of Guardians of the Galaxy, here a clip Marvel released today featuring Zoe (as Gamora) and the gang planning their escape from space prison.

Saldana confirms pregnancy

In more personal Saldana news, the actress’ publicist has confirmed the speculation that she and her husband Marco Perego are expecting their first child. According to Us Weekly, Zoe is three months pregnant So congratulations Zoe!


Saldana and baby bump at Monday’s ‘Guardians of the Galaxy’ premiere in Hollywood

Comments

1. Harry Ballz - July 23, 2014

You could say Saldana is having her own pregnant pause.

2. scotchyscotchscotch - July 23, 2014

I find it perplexing that there’s an actress who has played a blue alien and a green alien, but neither was for her role in two Trek films.

3. Khan Neva Sinngs - July 23, 2014

Zoe, congratulations on your procreation!

4. Disinvited - July 23, 2014

#1. Harry Ballz – July 23, 2014

Told ya she was Peregonant.

5. Phil - July 23, 2014

Nice to hear someone speak candidly. Bob Orci, please take notes…..

6. Phil - July 23, 2014

Oh, and Marvel has dumped a butt-load of untitled projects into the schedule. If GOTG takes off, expect more demands on Ms. Saldana’s time…

7. dswynne - July 23, 2014

Man, she’s a busy woman. Good for her! Being a Hollywood actor has a short life span, and its great that she is getting all these roles. Kudos!

8. Pensive's Wetness - July 23, 2014

Though i am not optamistic about GOTG, i do congratulate Ms Saldana on her new addition to her family.

9. Mad Mann - July 23, 2014

I wonder how much the pregnancy, Avatar, etc., will affect Saldana’s schedule for shooting the next Trek.

It might cause the Uhura character to have a much diminished role. Bummer.

10. Jack - July 23, 2014

What’s not to be optimistic about — it looks fantastic!

11. Ahmed - July 23, 2014

I don’t really see the need for three Avatar movies. Cameron should just make one or two sequels & then move on to work on ‘Battle Angel Alita’.

12. Keachick (Rose) - July 23, 2014

Congratulations to Zoe Saldana and her wee one!

13. TrekMadeMeWonder - July 23, 2014

She is simply amazing.

14. Bill Peters - July 23, 2014

She should be able to do the Uhura Role when shooting, if she is Three Months Pregnant right now, and Pregnancy lasts 9 months, she should be able to shoot early next year, and I bet they will allow her to have the baby on set of both Films….she may have to be on the Bridge more and less Action roles but we will see.

15. Cygnus-X1 - July 24, 2014

Is Cameron really making three more Avatar movies?!???!

What the hell ARE they going to be about???

Avatar 2: Rise of the Planet of the Na’vi?

Avatar 3: Battle for the Planet of the Na’vi?

Avatar 4:Escape from the Planet of the Na’vi?

“Take your stinking paws off me you damned dirty Na’vi!”

16. Jemini - July 24, 2014

Congrats to Zoe! I knew already from some pictures… She’s just so beautiful and hers gonna be a cute kid!

As for trek, I think Zoe is already 4-5 but anyway she’ll have her baby way before they start filming trek. I think I read somewhere that avatar will start to film much later than what originally said. Zoe probably chose to have a baby now because she knew it would’t conflict with either of her projects.

Her point about sexism in Hollywood is spot on. She said a similar thing in another interview too and she praised JJ&co for her Uhura as well.

17. Jemini - July 24, 2014

PS: I say she’s probably 5 months and not 3 like the article states because girl is petite and slender and this would be her first baby so the baby bump would appear later compared to others…if she’s already showing it she must be more than 3… Anyway even if she’s 3 it still gives her time. She probably will take advantage of trek and avatar filming to get in shape again (assuming she will need that) I think that among the cast she’s probably the one who is physically more trained for action scenes because she used to be a dancer too and she’s used to go to the gym even when she’s not filming movies that demand her in action scenes. Karen Gilliam noticed that when they were filming gotg together.
TL dr; you should be more worried about Pine, Quinto and the other dudes not being in a good physical shape for the action scenes, if any, LOL

18. Curious Cadet - July 24, 2014

So let me get this straight … Zoe is three months pregnant which means she’ll give birth sometime around January. Then as early as month later she’s going to be running around fighting aliens on a five year mission, as Orci hinted shooting would start in the Spring, while nursing her child on set? Wow.

Well good luck with that.

19. Admiral Stedman - July 24, 2014

@ – Cygnus-X1

You have to go “beneath” the Planet Na’vi first. Who knows what lurks below.

20. TrekMadeMeWonder - July 24, 2014

Bigger jumblies for Uhur-rhaaa!

I wonder if it will affect her Avatar CGI character, as well. A good center of gravity means everything to an animator!

I wonder. Perhaps too much.

21. Ensign Ricky - July 24, 2014

All the best to her and her little one. Truth be told I would rather see less of her in the next movie.

22. IDIC Lives! - July 24, 2014

#21 Ensign Ricky
Me too.

23. Phil - July 24, 2014

No issue for Trek at all….I hear the pitter patter of baby Spock feet in the corridors of the Big E!

24. TUP - July 24, 2014

probably kill Uhura off so they can have Spock sobbing all movie.

25. Jemini - July 24, 2014

who knows, they could always make Uhura pregnant too and introduce us to a tiny vulcan ;) and thus show you that in space and in the future far away from us life still goes on and people still get together and procreate and they live their lives as people in between space-fights and new planets to discover (Roddenberry’s original idea too)… and also that it doesn’t have to be always about the dudes only the dudes forever the dudes
*here’s waiting for inevitable someone who has a nervous breakdown about the idea*

26. Jemini - July 24, 2014

you have all these secondary characters that get so little screentime already and of course you want to see ‘less’ of the female character…

so predictable and also so symbolic that a young healthy woman’s pregnancy is always used by fanboys as a pretext to get rid of her character or hope that the writers will do that…

In the mean time, you have one Harrison Ford still playing Han Solo in his 70s and after he got injured on set…

27. Red Dead Ryan - July 24, 2014

There are some obnoxious, blatantly sexist comments here. There’s no reason why Zoe can’t be on set “only” a month after giving birth. She’s obviously keeping herself in tip-top shape.

Having said that, I prefer not to see Spock and Uhura have a kid. It has nothing to do with the actress’ pregnancy, just a matter of practicality. The Enterprise is no place for kids. The ship was nearly destroyed in the last two movies.

TNG did it, and it made little sense when you remember the battles with the Borg, the Romulans, and the Cardassians, not to mention the other dangerous situations the ship and crew found themselves in.

DS9 is different, as it was set on a space station and evacuation of non-crew was a lot easier as they were already near a planet (Bajor).

28. Ahmed - July 24, 2014

@ 27. Red Dead Ryan – July 24, 2014

“There’s no reason why Zoe can’t be on set “only” a month after giving birth. She’s obviously keeping herself in tip-top shape.”

Agreed, it is not that hard to write few scenes where she is on the bridge informing Kirk that “Hailing frequencies open, Captain!”.

“I prefer not to see Spock and Uhura have a kid.”

Why not ? Now you’re being sexist. Do you expect her to abandon her baby Spock or what ?

29. Ahmed - July 24, 2014

@15. Cygnus-X1 & 19. Admiral Stedman

LOL

30. IDIC Lives! - July 24, 2014

In the 2009 film, Spock called an assembly of what looked like the entire Star Fleet Academy, plus Star Fleet officers, to reprimand Cadet Kirk for installing a different program in the Old Maru.

Next scene, Uhura chases Spock down and demands that she be on the Enterprise. Spock folds like a cheap –well–folding chair, and assigns her to the Enterprise. Yikes, can’t have his girl friend nagging at him like that!

I wonder who told the individual originally assigned to the Enterprise to get off that shuttle and go find the Farragut shuttle. if it were me, I’d be pissed.

Of course that individual would soon be killed over Vulcan after the very very very short while it took to get to Vulcan. Tough shit, Uhura had to be with her man.

I love Nichelle’s characterization and wish she had had more camera time.

I saw Zoe Saldana in a 2002 “Law and Order” episode last night and thought she was more Uhura material in that episode than the pushy, spoiled way JJ, Orci or whoever, designed her.

I like Zoe. I have no point here, exactly, just expressing an honest opinion and hope not to be called names or attacked for doing so.

I would indeed like to ask STID’s Spock why he made a dramatic big deal out of chastising a cadet in front of the entire academy (why not just have Tyler Perry call Kirk in, read him the riot act, and put him on suspension or kick him out?)– but then changed the rules and did equally as “bad” a thing when he quickly put his girl friend on the Enterprise just to keep her from nagging him. And that was in real potential combat, not a simulation.

31. IDIC Lives! - July 24, 2014

I meant, “I would indeed like to ask nuSpock”–as I was not talking about STID.

32. Marja - July 24, 2014

26 Jemini, Yep. Some Trek “fans” seem to think Uhura belongs on the Bridge being a “telephone operator” and not have a significant role as a communicator/translator in more than the Bridge operation. Yes, Bridge operations are very significant, but First Contact and negotiation operations even moreso for an exploring starship. There are a few who seem to think Uhura’s fine as a professional without a romantic relationship but this is not canon in the AltVerse.

Nor is it a reality in the box office universe, because many women like to see ladies in kick-ass positions who are also involved with the “hot guy” … and Spock has the unique distinction of being the intellect of the Enterprise, and one of the hottest guys on board. [Witness the huge amount of fan mail Nimoy received during the TOS run.]

A side note, plenty of modern-day military folks are in significant relationships and/or married. And yes, some actually serve in the same military unit, just in different divisions under different supervisors. By Trek’s time, I imagine even these distinctions may fade, as long as the individuals’ professionalism remains paramount.

I also object to the idea that Spock “must” remain a solitary, lonely man. Of course there is that vocal minority who think Uhura is “cock-blocking” Kirk and Spock, but they are a tiny minority of the Trek movie-going public, in addition to being a minority of Trek fans.

Jemini and Ahmed, I would differ with you on the idea of babies/children on the Enterprise — unless there’s an inviolable “saucer separation” that even a crazy like Nero would not attack. After all, if a villain or an opposing force want to decimate Federation races, what better way than to attack their young.

27 RDR, yes, I agree. On DS9 it was not problematic, but on a starship, going into unpredictable situations, it would be irresponsible to have children on board.

30, Lives! I imagine that perhaps Spock did this because he knew that Uhura was the best cadet for the job. He had decided to avoid the appearance of conflict by NOT assigning her to Enterprise, but she convinced him otherwise by reminding him of her qualifications [or, “nagging,” in your terms]. So, you appear to be saying, “better to have no conflict of personal interest as perceived by Spock, than to have the best person for the job.”

33. Nony - July 24, 2014

It will be a very pretty and fashion-forward baby, I’m sure!

@IDIC Lives!

Admiral Tyler Perry called the assembly, not Spock – Spock was just an instructor who reported the hacking to his superiors, as was probably the rule, and then they were the ones who decided how to make an example out of Kirk.

And Uhura was actually in the right when she demanded the Enterprise posting, because she was the top communications cadet and deserved the flagship job upon graduation and she knew it. It’s the same as Chekov getting posted there for being the top navigator. Spock recommended she be sent somewhere else because he was the one who couldn’t keep his own personal and professional feelings separate and wanted to cover his own butt just in case anybody side-eyed him for his girlfriend being on the same ship as him. D!ck move. Whoever was in the post and was sent off to the Farragut was probably supposed to be on the Farragut to begin with until Spock mucked the assignments up.

34. IDIC Lives! - July 24, 2014

Hummm…Admiral Perry says “we are here today…” but not sure he called them together but–ok. I assume it was based on Spock’s report which must have been rather radical. But ok.

However, Spock did assign Uhura on the Farragut, he was her commanding officer, the ships were leaving, it was chaos. She should have stuck to what had been ordered, regardless of why Spock ordered it.

Uhura was not the main Communications Officer when the Enterprise took off but it turned out, she could speak several kinds of Romulan. I guess the usual Enterprise Chief Communications officer was a bit lacking.

So she took over and yes, she apparently graduated at top of her class but she was first and foremost Star Fleet personnel, as was Spock. Their romance got in the way, even at first when Spock took her off the Enterprise in the first place – which maybe was unfair to her. However, her time of protest was simply wrong – and how to tell the other no doubt talented Communications Officer, to get the heck off the Enterprise and race for the Farragut?

She was officially assigned to the Farragut, and they were in a hurried, crisis situation. She should have accepted it, gotten on board, and protested later.

Yes, a silly picky thing but it does give the impression of Uhura as being inconsiderate of the other Communications Officer and a bit quarrelsome demanding and nagging.

35. Platitude - July 24, 2014

Guardians of the Galaxy is my favorite Marvel comic (the 2008 run, specifically). I’m looking forward to that movie more than any other right now.

36. IDIC Lives! - July 24, 2014

Nony,
So, did Spock muck up assignments or did he make a logical decision which Uhura simply refused to accept and Spock buckled?

37. Marja - July 24, 2014

He mucked up the assignment b/c of his own fear that his assigning Uhura to Enterprise would be perceived as “favoritism.”

As to Uhura as being inconsiderate of the other Communications Officer and a bit quarrelsome demanding and nagging., I think Spock was inconsiderate of Uhura, the best Comms Cadet at the Academy, in choosing her assignment due to his own feelings;

and I am so tired of the term “nagging” being applied to Uhura.

38. IDIC Lives! - July 24, 2014

32 Marja

Uhura should have gotten her top post if she was indeed the top Communications graduate (and yes she was).

However, she has also embarked on a deep relationship with a higher officer. This brings additional issues, she must realize.

That officer assigned her to a ship other than the top ship (Enterprise) for that reason (their affair), actually for a very selfish reason, so he would not be seen as assigning favorites.

In fact, she had earned the right to be on the Enterprise. He also perhaps did not want to worry about his girl friend, he wanted to function logically and without favor to others aboard, I assume.

I am merely saying, the fault of hers is that she followed him around in a time of hurried crisis and insisted on being reassigned to the E.

This either left the Farragut minus one top communications officer or made one of her classmates run like hell for the Farragut.

She should have waited. Of course she would have been dead since the other communications officer died with the Farragut.

My point is that neither Spock nor Uhura were quite excellent, so to speak, in this scenario. They acted selfishly. And in defense of those two beloved characters, I don’t think they should have been written that way.

Why bother to make her demanding and Spock selfish (concerned for his image?) and then weak-willed when she demanded to get back on the Enterprise?

This is not how either of these characters are. It is the antithesis of their established characters. Uhura carries out her duties, regardless, she is the ultimate professional. Spock–is not concerned with “how it will appear” and is not weak willed.

39. Marja - July 24, 2014

And yes, Admiral Barnett [played by Tyler Perry] called the cadets together for a formal hearing. As an instructor Spock would not have that power. Yes, Spock reported Kirk for cheating, as an instructor should have.

40. Marja - July 24, 2014

17 Jemini, I say she’s probably 5 months and not 3 like the article states because girl is petite and slender and this would be her first baby so the baby bump would appear later compared to others…if she’s already showing it she must be more than 3…

I have a sister-in-law who showed that same size “baby bump” when she was eight months pregnant!

Saldana is probably keeping up with dance stretches and mild dance exercises and is muscular from a near lifetime of dance training; Quinto is already getting in shape, and how many people here think any actor in Hollywood takes more than a week or two “off” from fitness training? It’s a job requirement! [The muscle building such as Chris Hemsworth has to do for “Thor” is more intensified training with a higher lean-protein diet, but that’s a little different from maintaining a handsome or beautiful slim “marketable” figure.]

41. IDIC Lives! - July 24, 2014

I never did have much of a baby bump and my daughter was over 8 pounds. I recovered very quickly afterward also but I had always done gymnastics and dance and was 22. So–

The size of the bump seems to vary for some good reasons but then again, it seems dependent on the individual woman. Not sure which.

42. Keachick (Rose) - July 24, 2014

No, Spock realized his error in judgement and reassigned Uhura to be on the Enterprise.

Whether Zoe Saldana has as big a role in the third movie is a matter for the story writers and herself. There is no reason why Zoe could not have her baby with her as she works on being Lt Uhura. Lots of women do it.

Yes, there is sexism here on this thread and it has little to do with any concern for the welfare of Zoe and her newly born little one, from where I stand. The welfare of Zoe and her baby should be paramount when it comes to what decisions get made as to how much and what her character, Lt Uhura, has to do. There are always stunt doubles.

I have an impression that most actors (male and female) like to be able to do as much of the work that may require a stunt double as they can themselves. The fact that, possibly, some of Lt Uhura’s scenes may require the use of a stunt double than would have been the case in the past, can be our little secret. We know why that might be – after all, Zoe’s and her baby’s health come first. Simply because this actress will be a new mother is no reason to exclude her from playing an active a role in the third movie as well.

Take care, Zoe. You don’t have to be superwoman.

43. Keachick (Rose) - July 24, 2014

Nobody knew I was pregnant until I was about five months pregnant, with all three of my children. I think it has to do with individual metabolisms and body shape.

44. IDIC Lives! - July 24, 2014

I feel we are too quick to make accusations of sexism on this thread and on this site. We all simply love the Star Trek which we perceive; these guys don’t strike me as actual sexists.

There might be a baby on board the Enterprise one way or the other once in a while but I do not feel there should or would have been (will be–) babies living on the Enterprise.

45. jemini - July 24, 2014

34. IDIC Lives

I suppose you think that Kirk and Bones friendship also got in the way of their professionality and they should be punished and pushed away from the ship. Kirk wasn’t assigned to any ship there because be cheated on an academy test…but his friend used his position as a medical officer to infect him with a virus and sneak him aboard the enterprise where Kirk got on the bridge and Pike made him, Simeone who wasn’t even assigned to the shop, the first officer (adieu protocol ) Then after getting marooned on delta v for being insurbordinate with the acting captain, he got on the ship again with a dude, Scotty, who has been put on the planet as a punishment for his own unprofessionality with a superior whose dog was lost in space for his fault. Kirk then proceeded to be insurbodinate again with the captain untill the latter almost kills him. With the acting captain being ‘emotionally compromised’ cadet Kirk not even assigned to the enterprise because of his cheating on a test becomes the captain and makes Scotty the chief engineering officer, even tho the latter hadn’t be assigned to the enterprise.

And here you complain that a girl who worked hard to get on that ship, and probably had so many credits that she knew she’d get there, rightfully went to her superior to complain because he overconpensated in fear of ‘the appareance of favoritism’ because he also is her boyfriend AND THEN ne corrects his mistake when she reminds him logic.

You are not sexist for not wanting a s/ u kid, you’re blatantly sexist when talking about s/u for another reason.
Using your so efficient logic, then the writers should delete any possible platonic relationship b/w the dudes who are, by all means, far more unprofessional than Uhura.
Don’t tell me Uhura must shut up and say ‘yes, sir’ all the time when people like McCoy go to the acting captain and tell him he’s ‘out of his vulcan mind’ +any racist remarks he absolutely needs to make

46. jemini - July 24, 2014

44. IDIC Lives! – July 24, 2014
I feel we are too quick to make accusations of sexism on this thread and on this site.


Yet, the hypocrisy of some arguments here leaves little choice
the smell of sexism is strong
Your fixation with s/u and Uhura being ‘professional’ or their relationship being this big obstacle is, frankly, quite ridiculous and over the top when compared to the utter unprofessional behavior of their ‘friends’ on that ship that no one really talks or complains about here. You gotta notice some patterns…in both movies you have male characters that are super unprofessional in the name of friendship YET they get a free pass and you only single out the female character and criticize her for much less than what the dudes do
The smell of concern trolling is also strong.

47. jemini - July 24, 2014

37. Marja – July 24, 2014

and I am so tired of the term “nagging” being applied to Uhura
——-

Especially when there are characters far more ‘nagging’ but they aren’t called like that simply because they are not women.
I wonder if that ‘Uhuro’ guy from the comics is spared of this ..probably not because the ‘o’ in the end isn’t enough to make people forget the main one is a girl.

48. Keachick (Rose) - July 24, 2014

Given Jemini’s rather accurate appraisal of the relative professionalism of the main characters in the first BR Star Trek film, I would have to say that the person who clearly stands out as being the most *professional* is actually Cadet Uhura (later promoted to Lieutenant by Captain Pike). Her lack of professionalism on occasions – eg giving Spock a goodbye kiss on the transporter pad which many see as unprofessional, pales into insignificance compared with the males have got away with, including Captain Pike.

Let’s just summarize – she was better than her male colleagues. Then again, they were all humans or human/vulcan, having to deal with, make the best of extraordinary and terrifying circumstances, and survive!

49. Red Dead Ryan - July 24, 2014

I wonder if we’d be having these arguments if the BR movies featured characters from TNG, DS9, VOY, or ENT instead.

Because I get the sense there’s a sort of Talifan mentality going on — if the movies feature TOS characters, we have to maintain the 60’s status quo — at least in terms of keeping Uhura as a background character.

Would there be this argument if say, it was T’Pol, Troi, Kira, or Jadzia Dax doing the same thing, ie confronting commanding officers, questioning orders, leaving their posts, et al?

Or is it because some here don’t consider the spin-offs as “true” Trek, thus making it easier for them to dismiss the strong female characters of the latter Treks as a way of justifying continuing the decades-old treatment of Uhura as part of their puritanical 60’s fantasies/delusions?

50. Red Dead Ryan - July 24, 2014

And again, I’m no fan of the Spock/Uhura romance. I just don’t think it works. Outside of Miles and Keiko O’Brien, there hasn’t been a romantic relationship that has been convincing or natural in Trek.

But that’s just my opinion, of course.

51. Moshe - July 24, 2014

#50. Red Dead Ryan:
“Outside of Miles and Keiko O’Brien, there hasn’t been a romantic relationship that has been convincing or natural in Trek.”

Kirk and Edith Keeler.

52. Keachick (Rose) - July 24, 2014

The Kirk/Edith Keeler relationship was in its infancy when her life was cut short. This relationship was set in an impossible situation – Kirk was a captain of a starship from the earth of the 23rd century and Edith was a beautiful, intelligent forward thinking woman of the US depression days of the 20th century. Even if Edith Keeler did not have to die, I am not sure that the relationship could have survived.

However, anything is possible…

53. Disinvited - July 24, 2014

#40. Marja – July 24, 2014

The late night news says: TWINS!

54. Harry Ballz - July 24, 2014

Have her do a cameo in the next movie and increase McCoy’s participation in the storyline.

Long overdue.

55. Disinvited - July 24, 2014

#54. Harry Ballz – July 24, 2014

I don’t think her daughter’s agent will let her sign for anything as small as a cameo, and I can’t imagine Urban being happy having his role expanded to that of babysitter/curmudgeonly Uncle? Oh, you meant, Zoe?

56. Harry Ballz - July 24, 2014

@55

It’s been a HUGE mistake diminishing McCoy’s role in these films.

They have a chance to fix it in the next film.

F*ck political correctness, go with what made Trek last these past 50 years.

57. Jemini - July 25, 2014

Oh not the whole “waaaaa uhura replaced McCoy waaaa” nonsense again! 2009 called: they want their wank back and also ask you to watch the movies again and pay attention this time.
In the second movie Scotty (and at times Carol as a new character) got more action and screentime than McCoy but the ”’supposed”’ McCoy fans here don’t care about that yet, you all have a nervous breakdown only over Uhura (the only main character we have) being in the poster and partecipating to a mission (where her skills were the only ones needed, if anything. McCoy already ran in the forest with Kirk at the beginning what he can do in missions like the one on kronos?and once upon a time he was a doctor, even if he spends most of the time on the bridge )
Star trek into darkness was a test for some of you that you didn’t pass. It only shows the disingenuos nature of your arguments.

If you want more McCoy you should ask for less Kirk or Spock since they are the ones who get most of the screen time.
Having in 2014 a story that is completely focused on not one not two but 3 (white) (heterosexual) men would mean going backwards to the very biases and sexism that made the 60s (and thus TOS) in a certain way.

I never read any of the critics asking the writers to reduce the role of the only female character in favor of McCoy and no wonder why. I read some saying that making it all about Kirk (again) or Spock could be the main problem of the secondary characters but other than that no one is fixated in expanding the role of one more dude, beside some fans.

58. Jemini - July 25, 2014

*only main female character (though calling her main is an exageration because only k/s are really main)

59. Marja - July 25, 2014

49 RDR, I completely agree. TOS was great, it will never happen again. It is preserved for many to enjoy forever. NuTrek is just that. New.

50 RDR, I completely disagree. ;-)
Miles and Keiko’s relationship showed the ups and downs of marriage and parenthood; because they had much more screen time to do that in DS9, they did it pretty well. [Yet, inevitably, some fans just had to call Keiko a “nagging bi tch”.]
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56 Harry, they need not to diminish one character’s role so the another can be featured. Over and over I heard people on Trekmovie complain that “Uhura’s crowding out McCoy.”

Bull hockey.

MIND-NUMBING SEEMINGLY ENDLESS AND REPETITIVE action sequences and scenes of violence are “crowding out McCoy.” It also crowds out good dramatic discussions between the officers. And so far the writing seems to suggest McCoy is just there as a bitingly funny Greek chorus.

I wish we could see McCoy in Medical, saving someone’s life, with screen time of over 2 minutes. [Seems like the “saving Kirk” scene took all of a minute and a half, but I could be wrong.]

I wish we could see McCoy arguing with Kirk or Spock or both about the humanitarian demands of a situation, with Uhura in on the discussion as the one who has been translating the language and ethos of the society with whom they’re dealing, Spock taking the logical and sometimes heartless view — and perhaps having a completely different view of the linguistics of the society, and Kirk solemnly weighing all the evidence.

Y’know, encountering a new civilization ‘n’ that.

GOD, I WISH THEY COULD JUST BRING THIS CAST TO TV so stories could be more dramatic, philosophically questioning, and less action-y.

Every one of these actors can act the shite out of their characters. Abrams and company chose them very well.

Now they just need screen time in which to really act out a good drama.

60. Jemini - July 25, 2014

50. Red Dead Ryan – July 24, 2014
Trek had never been so good about romance. I suspect even TOS Kirk was allowed to love Edith only because they knew she’d die.
About spock/uhura I’m the opposite though. It’s the trek couple that convinced me and I like, it took me a reboot for that. I wish some other movies in the genre would learn from the reboot a bit when it comes to romance.
It also is one if those things that make the reboot truly their (the writers) own trek and effectively symbolize the whole ‘what if’ scenario that I find being one of the most interesting things about alternate realities. Not to mention it fits with the vulcan phylosophy of idic.

The other day I read an article that analized what are the most popular tags used over the two popular fanfiction sites and basically spock/uhura was the only canon and heterosexual trek ship that made it to the top 100. The only freaking one. It took this fandom a reboot to finally have people writing about a female character too and have some diversity in what had been dominated by the slash genre for years. Why? That page was depressing because it seems that fandoms always ask for more representation and criticize the writers because of that, yet that top 100 is made for the 90% by male white characters paired with other white male characters. Women are erased both in terms of het relationships and lesbians. Poc are largely ignored too. Canon gay couples and characters are also ignored in favor of pushing for a romance between dudes that in some cases barely interact or are biologic brothers. Gen fiction(not focused on romance) is also rare.
Of course these groups don’t represent the whole star trek fanbase no more than WE do in this site or others but I still find the whole thing telling.

61. Curious Cadet - July 25, 2014

@32. Marja,
“plenty of modern-day military folks are in significant relationships and/or married.”

Just out of curiosity, what happens when one of these married military couples get pregnant? I’m sure the examples are quite limited especially when it comes to female active duty combat personnel. In fact forget married couples, how about a single female soldier becoming pregnant. What’s the military’s official policy with respect to her service? Is it like a corporation which offers maternity leave? Is there day care in the field?

62. TrekMadeMeWonder - July 25, 2014

54. Harry Ballz

Damn good advice, Harry!

63. TUP - July 25, 2014

I’m all for increased roles for women but only if its organic. Uhura’s role in the modern films is much more about political correctness and diversity then it is about stories that flow organically. The reason she was romantically connected to Spock was to create more opportunity to use the character.

That, combined with the mis-representing of Kirk & Spock conspired to bury the McCoy character and kill the Big Three relationship that came to define Star Trek.

I have no issue with Uhura being pregnant or the actress being in the film pregnant or otherwise.

But its pretty clear Bones was replaced by Uhura because one of them is a white male in a cast of white males and the other isnt.

Hollywood is rife with examples of males being unable to write strong female roles. I dont see anything from these guys to indicate they are any different.

64. TrekMadeMeWonder - July 25, 2014

I think it would be harder to write a truly memorable 1st rate conversation, TUP.

I do not recall Urban’s McCoy EVER having that extended scene to act out, in the any of the new movies. The “big three” should have easily had that opportunity – at least a few times.

My 2 credits worth.

65. Red Dead Ryan - July 25, 2014

I do agree we haven’t seen enough McCoy. Karl Urban is such a good actor, and his ability to channel DeForrest Kelley is uncanny.

66. Jemini - July 25, 2014

63. TUP – July 25, 2014

what I saw of the Uhura’s scenes feels pretty organic to me.

why it should be political correctness?
Zoe is basically a sci-fi queen right now and far more popular than most of the guys anyway. Do you think that casting her in avatar or guardians of the galaxy also was political correctness?
It’s just stupid. Using your logic then why did they add Alice Eve to the mix? I guess to be politically correct as well by having one more woman?

you call it political correctness, I call it realism. Wanting things to go back to the 60s is very problematic.

somehow all the times writers include poc or queer characters, the people who have a problem with them will try use the excuse that it’s just ‘political correctness’ to demonize diversity. Using your logic representation doesn’t matter either and we should keep having only white heterosexual people on tv
In this case, it’s all the more ridiculous because Uhura had always been an iconic character that existed in the original series, it’s not like they randomly added a new character and made them so prominent.

“I’m all for increased roles for women but only if its organic. ”

but people here want more screentime for the male characters, regardless if being organic and having stories that flow organically.
According to some of you, McCoy should be literally shoehorned in certain scenes even if it makes no sense for the story of his character.
e.g., those who back then were ridiculously claiming that Bones should have gone with Kirk and Spock on kronos instead of Uhura even though he has no linguistic skills and he generally has a role on the ship that doesn’t make him the first choice when it comes to certain missions, for obvious reasons.

again, Scotty had more action and screentime than McCoy (and even Uhura at times) where are all your complains about him replacing McCoy? Are you unhappy about Alice Eve too? or do you think that they will completely ignore her character and give her no screentime?

McCoy has pretty much the same screentime than Uhura has. There was a Kirk-Uhura-Spock dynamic (that most of the reviews I read liked, btw) but there also was a Kirk-McCoy-Spock dynamic in the last movie.

I don’t get the faux outrage.

“The reason she was romantically connected to Spock was to create more opportunity to use the character.”

the same could be said about Spock as well.
also friendly reminder that McCoy had always gotten more screentime than others just because he’s one of Kirk’s friends. and it’s the same in the reboot!
Most of his scenes are about Kirk or in relation to Kirk in some way.

67. Jemini - July 25, 2014

seriously guys, even in an article about the actress possibly being pregnant you have to complain about Uhura and how you want the story to be about the dudes only. SMDH try to not be so predictable all the time, trekmovie.
This character and woman gets under your skin like no other.

68. TrekMadeMeWonder - July 25, 2014

What would be nice is a McCoy centric storyline. How nice that would be to see onscreen.

If it’s one thing McCoy was good at it, its evaluating a desperate situation while exclaiming the importance of maintain our humanity without resorting to rash violence. Indeed. Where was McCoy last time through?

I am sure there will be plenty of cliffhanger opportunities for Bones to make impassioned pleas. Eh, Bob Orci?.

If anything, Trek needs its passion back!

Indeed, Red Dead.

Here’s hoping our hero Roberto WILL bring back the dynamic Kirk, McCoy, Spock trio with intelligence, style, passion and sophistication!

Not too hard.

69. Jemini - July 25, 2014

and btw, claiming that if they expand a bit the role of a female character who happens to be a woman of color too is just ‘political correctness’ from the writers part is pretentious and entitlement. What if the writers simply did what they wanted to do? Or is having opinions about these characters is an exclusive to you guys here? lol

I never got any vibe from them that they’re being disingenuous.
Some fans here on the other hand… I could write an essay about how disingenuous some of the commenters in this site are.

70. TUP - July 25, 2014

Jemini, do you have a problem with men?

71. Phil - July 25, 2014

Hey, she has a pair of Spocks in the oven!! Congratulations on a happy, healthy, and uneventful pregnancy!

72. Harry Ballz - July 25, 2014

I don’t have a racist bone in my body. Nor am I a misogynist. I don’t think that way.

My logic is based on the fact that TOS ALWAYS had the leading dynamic of Spock/Kirk/McCoy.

This represented the triumvirate of LOGIC/ACTION/EMOTION.

Kirk would listen to both arguments, one of pure logic, one of pure emotion, and then he would take action on it. It was a thing of beauty to watch. There was balance to this approach.

Now, in the NuTrek universe, this approach has been discarded, and for what?

Looking at it objectively, it would appear TPTB have decided to have Uhura assume the lead role of the EMOTION part of the trio.

Why? Just to change things up and have the story move in a different direction?

As Picard would say, “NOT GOOD ENOUGH, DAMNIT! NOT GOOD ENOUGH!”

73. Keachick (Rose) - July 25, 2014

#70 – Hey, don’t change the subject and don’t get personal!

I have already stated where I think Dr McCoy could have easily had a bigger role and that was when he discovered that Khan’s blood did have very high regenerative qualities and might (and a very big maybe) revive a “barely dead” (McCoy’s own words) Kirk – *

time being (one of) the most critical factor. McCoy (and team) battling to save Kirk could have had screen time, while the time spent showing Spock and Khan leaping onto garbage “trucks” and showing yet another big, ugly punch up could have been reduced, if shown at all.

Spock should have just been shown bringing a live, murderous Khan aboard, allow Khan sight of his popsicle crew and then allow Khan to have the opportunity to choose to redeem himself – just a little – by donating his blood for a worthy cause…

Oh – what could/should have been…

* Think – the “golden hour”.

74. Keachick (Rose) - July 25, 2014

#72 – I think the reality is that Lt Uhura as Communications Officer (and Xenolinguist) should have had a much bigger role in the TOS TV series. This nuTrek trio actually makes more sense – ie the captain, his first officer and communication/linguist playing central roles in whatever decisions get made. The fact that the first officer and communications officer also have a personal relationship is just part of the life of those people.
Coming in second would the Chief Engineer, Scotty and Chief Medical Officer, Dr McCoy.

Depending on the situation unfolding, Scotty and/or Dr McCoy would assume a bigger role, eg

problems with transporters or warp drive or universal translator (Scotty)

and where the possibility of being infected or infecting with dangerous, even deadly, micro-organisms (Dr McCoy).

75. Jemini - July 25, 2014

72. Harry Ballz – July 25, 2014
I don’t have a racist bone in my body. Nor am I a misogynist. I don’t think that way.

My logic is based on the fact that TOS ALWAYS had the leading dynamic of Spock/Kirk/McCoy
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And you don’t ask yourself WHY a show from the 60s was like that? Hint: the first part of your comment has the two main reasons.

Like some said over moderated trek boards, what’s even the the fun or purpose of a reboot set in alternate reality if things stay the same? You are the only ones I read being so bitter about this. Remember that the movies had been quite successful so far, even more than most of the old movies.
I interact with actual McCoy fans all the time and they yes want to see more of him but they have the sense to recognize that the problem is not Uhura and that a story written in 2014 can’t have all the screentime devoted around not one not two but 3 men. You can’t be serious and seriously expect a modern audience to not find it boring and repetitive.
And please even in TOS it was the Kirk/Spock show and continues to be like that. Blame them (or, again, Scotty) if Bones is not the protagonist. Don’t blame smurfette when it’s all about the smurfs.

76. Harry Ballz - July 25, 2014

Jemini, you make some good points.

All I’m saying is that I’m not drawn to the paradigm of Spock/Kirk/McCoy because of the sexism, but because I thought the interaction of those three characters worked very effectively and I hate to see it tossed aside.

77. Marja - July 25, 2014

61 Curious, Just out of curiosity, what happens when one of these married military couples get pregnant? I’m sure the examples are quite limited especially when it comes to female active duty combat personnel. In fact forget married couples, how about a single female soldier becoming pregnant. What’s the military’s official policy with respect to her service? Is it like a corporation which offers maternity leave? Is there day care in the field?

First, a caveat, I have been out of the service for a while now, prior to “Op Iraqui Freedom.” Which I ALWAYS put in quotes.

Female combat personnel are normally transferred stateside, I believe; or at least to a unit out of the combat arena such as Landstuhl Hospital in Germany. I hope the examples are quite limited, as I hope active duty couples in combat arenas practice strict birth control. [The military contracts with certain medical providers; I was unable to get “permanent” birth control, tubal ligation, from the contract provider — a Catholic hospital — when I was married. I’m still fuming about that one.] Interestingly BCPs were available, and for the men, Viagra and such like. Inequality indeed …[don’t know if this is still happening, but I suspect it is].

There are also, unfortunately, tales of women who get pregnant solely to be transferred away from the combat arena. [It was ever thus; females used to pull this to get out of serving at sea, also. There is the HUGE issue of sex harassment in the military, so it’s possible some did this to get away from tormentors.] I don’t know if this is still true or if the Navy/CG demand they serve until close to their due dates.] There is maternity leave, but I am not sure how long it lasts, especially for combat personnel, nor do I know if male parents receive paternal leave.

I hope current policy allows for at least 60 days per parent, but I doubt it. One of the chief issues of combat service parents is finding childcare. Those who are fortunate can have relatives care for the child; those who are not …. IDEK. Some parents near their release from active duty date opt to resignout of reenlisting; if they are Academy graduate officers, they sometimes forgo the opportunity for advancement in order to resign, if they’ve served their mandatory five years.

78. Marja - July 25, 2014

76 Harry, I do not think the dynamic would be at all harmed by adding Uhura.

McCoy – Humanitarian/Humanist/Compassionate viewpoint [Federation principles]
Spock – Logical/Scientific/Starfleet Regulation input
Uhura – Socio-Cultural/Linguistic input [understanding of a new culture’s ethos, from what she’s learned from their linguistics]; or trying to communicate with such encounters as V’ger
Kirk – The Decider! Who has to weigh all the input with care [unlike certain other “Decider”s!]
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73 Keachick, I couldn’t agree more. The problem with films today is, the Chinese overseas audience would — per current Hollywood “wisdom” — not be interested in such a medical scene, when they could see a violent dust-up between men. Sad.
69 Jeini, I could write an essay about how disingenuous some of the commenters in this site are.And won’t we be “surprised” to see some commenters who’ve been absent for months come back IRT to such.
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70 TUP, somehow this question always comes up [from a man] when the femnist perspective appears.

I would say that Jemini probably has a problem with sexist, “entitled” men, especially those in Hollywood. As do I. I’m not a man-hater. I do hate the continual exercise of sexism, racism and privelege in Hollywood elites, because Hollywood represents America to much of the world. We vaunt our values of “equality” but what do we show? Not much.

79. Marja - July 25, 2014

I would care to rephrase my #77 Interestingly BCPs were available, and for the men, Viagra and such like. Inequality indeed

Thank goodness BCPs were available to me, but note, Viagra and such like were available to men. It’s interesting to me that increasing men’s sexual power, while limiting females’ power over their own fertility are considered equal things.

80. Marja - July 25, 2014

Keachick, they could have even done this:

Spock beams down to chase Khan
— Run, Spock, run! Leap up on the barge!
— BRIEF take-down scene – Spock looks to be losing
— In between, scenes of Bones evaluating Kirk’s condition and concluding “We need Khan alive”
— Uhura beams down to help Spock subdue Khan
— McCoy in Medical with Kirk and Khan’s blood, “working a miracle,” and daring to take a few minutes of screen time to do so, perhaps even talking as he works, about “the ethics behind it” with Spock!
— Next scene Kirk in hospital.

Ah, what could have been.

81. Phil - July 25, 2014

@72. Yeah, but the question is why? Was it three men (Kirk/Spock/McCoy), because they were the best actors available, representative of the finest command of the future? Or, as we now know, when Number One, Kirks XO, was a woman, NBC dragged Roddenberry aside, slapped his pecker and reminded him that no one in their right mind would ever believe that a woman could lead, so FIX IT!

TOS was built around Kirk/Spock, and McCoy worked his way into the party. New TOS is built around an ensemble cast, so if a woman or two work their way into the inner circle, it only serves to being a new perspective to an old format, and doesn’t diminish it. Hell, if a female came into the new cast as an XO, it couldn’t bother me one bit to see Enterprise command structure bear a little more resemblance to the rest of the fleet…

82. Keachick (Rose) - July 25, 2014

Yes, indeed, Marja – another option, especially that of where we see the two men, especially (Quinto)Spock, running and leaping…

What I am saying is that, when there is a time restriction on the length of a movie, then the Khan take down scenes could have been reduced and replaced, even extended a little timewise, with showing some good McCoy doctoring.

Marja – what are BCPs?

83. Keachick (Rose) - July 25, 2014

We all know why Lt Uhura was not in the group – Kirk, Spock, McCoy and Scotty – all white and male. Let’s stop kidding ourselves.

It is not that I have any problem with any of these four main male characters, because I don’t, but the fact (and it was a good thing) is a beautiful black female was cast as the ship’s communications officer. The role of such a communication officer at this time in Starfleet was an important one, yet few in the 1960’s watching this TOS series would have necessarily realized this, because of how little this female got to do much of the time. She was on the bridge, providing a pleasant visual backdrop for the main male characters and (male) audiences.

84. Keachick (Rose) - July 25, 2014

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2705780/Zoe-Saldana-keeps-bump-wraps-stylish-low-cut-number-Karen-Gillan-legs-little-red-dress-promote-Guardians-Of-The-Galaxy.html

Look – a baby bump!

85. Marja - July 25, 2014

81 Phil, you totally rock, dude. I agree 100%.

82 Rose, BCPs = birth control pills, and thank goodness for them … I would not have wanted to have both a baby and a career. These days I think it MAY be a little easier, but in the ’80s it would have been a big challenge. And there’s a huge challenge anyway, on mother’s energy, on baby’s quality time, and on division of parental duties [my then-husband was also career military].

Your 83, and Lt. Uhura, though a background character, was an inspiration to two generations of women, POCs and non, to study science, to strive to be astronauts [Mae Jemison], to join the military and other non-traditional fields. And “Starfleet” encouraged me to join the Coast Guard, the service I found most similar. [AltPike expressed it a bit strangely, “a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada.”]

It is really really too bad that Majel Barrett could not continue as Number One. I really love her in “The Cage” episode. Damned NBC executives — another example of sexism in Hollywood, but also the rampant sexism in our society before now. There still is sexism, of course [especially in good ol’ Hollywood], but at least women have more opportunities to expand their knowledge, work lives, and equally share parenting with fathers.

And serve, in some dramas set in space, as something other than “eye candy,” although I wish for longer skirts or leggings with the minidresses, and RANK INSIGNIA, BobO.

86. Keachick (Rose) - July 26, 2014

Marja – Yes, leggings with the minidresses/other – practical and attractive and rank insignia!

Could men get vasectomies?

I remember, after having my third child 12 years ago, being offered the option of tubal ligation which would have been done through NZ state funded health system (which is similar to the UK’s NHS). I chose not to, but I had the option. The option of a vasectomy was available for my husband as well.

I think that once a woman gets to a particular age, like her late thirties, the option of tubal ligation should be available, whether she has had children or not. It is known that any pregnancy occurring from 36 onwards can be more problematical, especially if it is her first pregnancy, than it can be for a younger woman. By that time, most women will have a clear idea of what they do and don’t want – and it is up to health services to respect whatever decision she makes and provide for such.

87. Keachick (Rose) - July 26, 2014

Marja – Were/are women offered the equivalent to viagra as the men are? There are some available – even viagra in smaller doses can have similar effects on women’s sexual libido as it can have on men in larger doses.

88. IDIC Lives! - July 26, 2014

TOS and Harry Ballz,

I agree 100% with your comments on this page.

Star Trek is in the realm of Earth’s myths and we don’t change Athena around with Zeus, and we don’t replace Batman with Cat Woman. I could express this much better, but why bother? You guys said it succinctly and well and got ranted at. Star Trek is a set paradigm.

If we want a space adventure with more woman in prominence, let’s write one.

I raised my mixed race daughter by myself, I have always supported myself through writing and teaching with no help from anyone, I was active in NOW as well as civil rights groups.

When I have tried to open up and say these things so as I can give my opinion on Star Trek (so you will know where I am “coming from”), Keachick ranted that I have “hubris” (??) and Jemini informed me that I have a “guilty conscious”–apparently for expressing that I have a mixed race, very liberated daughter.

Hell no, Jemini, I am SO PROUD of that and of her!

Jemini always answers me with great nastiness and hatred. I have no idea WHY regarding Jemini’s attitude toward me. She is younger than me and she stands in all her liberation, upon the shoulders of women like me.

I guess Jemini hates me because I am not “for” Spock and Uhura to be uber-dominant in the next film. Childish hatred I guess.

I don’t GET the constant hatred toward others by these two women, especially Keachick.

Yes, I took part in sit-ins, I campaigned for the Civil Rights Bill (I was very young but I am was very passionate about it and have remained involved in various ways). If I open up and say this, I am told I am–whatever–“ashamed,” “have hubris” (??) or something bad, bad, bad.

I was involved in the “bra burning” stage of women’s liberation, the anti-nuke campaign and more. I am not bragging, I am being honest. I am PROUD not ashamed of my life!!!!

I open up mostly, however, to be able to then give my opinion on Star Trek without being called some old reactionary anti-S/U, anti-interspecies –whatever. I feel as I do about Star Trek BECAUSE OF my life which I am actually quite amazed at – in a good way.

As I bravely said before (only to be hated by these “liberated ladies”), I am bisexual myself and raised a mixed race daughter. You see what I mean, Ladies??? You hypocrites!!

Marja, you seem pro-LBGT–never mind.

When I have expressed myself as a free, liberated woman –which I am and have been – I am met with a 2 woman barrage of hatred from you “liberated ladies.”

Marja, the 3rd woman on this thread, who is more reasonable usually, just shuns me. That’s fine, reminds me of junior high school though.

So Uhura is fine in her liberated ways, Spock and Uhura are a wonderful mixed species couple, but I am bad, bad, bad. these “‘ladies” do not know me, they hate me because I have supported TOS instead of STID. Jeez!! That is how much these women walk their walk.

Go ahead, K and J, attack me again now. I am a “malignant spreading cancer,” yada yada. I am not coming back to this thread, which is a nice way to keep my blood pressure down.

Your intolerance and cruelty is like junior high school, the “mean girls–and I won’t do battle with you, you are too myopic and nasty.

So carry on with your hip vaginal talk, “ladies.”

89. Curious Cadet - July 26, 2014

@77. Marja,
“I hope current policy allows for at least 60 days per parent, but I doubt it. One of the chief issues of combat service parents is finding childcare.”

Thanks for the explanation. The state of our military’s treatment of active service personnel to veterans is sad, but it seems to be making progress over previous generations.

You do state what I was thinking. Zoe will not have to worry about child-care. They will accommodate her a trailer for her baby and nanny, and she will see her baby often. But it does seem like a mother needs some uninterrupted time to bond with her child without the pressures of work (as does the father — a serious injustice), regardless of her physical condition. Heck it’s life changing. Going immediately back to work after major surgery would not be wise either.

Perhaps the shooting timeline will work out so that Uhura is not needed right away. On the other hand, Carol is going to need some screen time to develop her character, so maybe this is for the best. As long as Carol is given as strong a role as Uhura — I’m still wincing after her damsel in distress performance in STID. Let’s hope Orci doesn’t have a fondness for the Shore Leave episode and have Carol running around in a ripped minidress the entire film. And it would be nice if the two women would have a little screen time together exchanging professional ideas and hopefully not just boyfriend advice.

90. Jemini - July 26, 2014

88. IDIC Lives! – July 26, 2014

well, clearly you’re having a moment here

“Jemini informed me that I have a “guilty conscious”–apparently for expressing that I have a mixed race, very liberated daughter.
Hell no, Jemini, I am SO PROUD of that and of her! “

I’m puzzled. Heck, I didn’t even know you had a daughter and were a girl

In all fairness, I’m guilty of scrolling past comments here where people post their biographies to ‘prove’ that their opinion is more relevant/important/unbiased than others and to justify themselves.
I think that our opinions (should) speak for themselves, anything else is superfluous and unverifiable anyway.

“Jemini always answers me with great nastiness and hatred. I have no idea WHY regarding Jemini’s attitude toward me. She is younger than me and she stands in all her liberation, upon the shoulders of women like me.”

imma let you finish here but how do you know I’m younger than you?
and tbh, If that was true I’d worry a bit because you aren’t surely displaying so much maturity here, just saying.

“I guess Jemini hates me because I am not “for” Spock and Uhura to be uber-dominant in the next film. Childish hatred I guess. “

my replies to some of your comments make it straight forward that my only problem with your opinion is the sexism and double standards that I find being very obvious in some of your arguments. Double standards that you never address anyway as you keep avoiding the topic everytime I point up that the ‘logic’ you constantly use to criticize and single out Uhura, and her relationship with Spock, is quite flawed if you are going to constantly ignore-give a free pass to-avoid addressing the other characters and dynamics even when, using your own reasoning (surely not mine), they should be even more problematic than Uhura (e.g., the professional argument) Your fixation with Uhura seems to be pretty disingenuous to me

that said, your arguments surely aren’t new to me and if you think that my annoyance, if any, is directed only at you rather than the hypocrisy and double standards I read in this site since years and showed by different nicknames.. well, that’s being a tiny bit egocentric and overrating the discussion a lot.

also, excuse me for being blunt now but I have lurked this site long enough to know the patterns and what happens when people get called out on their possibly problematic opinions and they start to play the victim to derail the topic and avoid replying to the actual discussion/point. Which is exactly what you’re doing now with this little display of a ‘persecution complex’. (for exhibits please re-read the above quoted statements)
maybe your reaction is due to what you probably perceived as me “attacking” your favorite male characters to simply counter-argument your comments against Uhura.

either way, color me surprised guys.

91. Jemini - July 26, 2014

76. Harry Ballz – July 25, 2014

Jemini, you make some good points.

All I’m saying is that I’m not drawn to the paradigm of Spock/Kirk/McCoy because of the sexism, but because I thought the interaction of those three characters worked very effectively and I hate to see it tossed aside

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Is it really tossed aside, though?
in the last movie especially I did see both a Kirk-Uhura-Spock dynamic AND a Kirk-Bones-Spock dynamic as showed by certain scenes. I wouldn’t say they ignored it..
Now if only Uhura ever interacted with McCoy…

always keeping in mind, though, that it’s obviously the Kirk/Spock show so both Uhura and McCoy are supporting characters only
the difference being that in the original show, Kirk was the star and Spock and McCoy were his friends
here the main characters are, more or less, both Kirk and Spock and in that it’s important that they both have this other character representing that personal relationship that they have with one member of the crew that wasn’t created on the enterprise but that already existed. Kirk and Bones are friends since the academy while Spock and Uhura have a romantic relationship, two facets of the kind of relationships these characters can have as people. If Spock didn’t have Uhura it might have felt a bit unbalanced to me because Kirk is likely to have a bigger ‘support system’ of many friends on that ship (due to his much more open and friendly personality too), while Spock would have only Kirk and essentially no ‘life’ outside of their (future) friendship… and also no other perspective on his character other than Kirk’s… which would reduce him to the sidekick/nerdy friend of hero only all over again.

as for those who wanting to give ‘roles’ to Kirk, Spock and McCoy: I say that those roles don’t exist anymore because stories aren’t told that way anymore. Characters are allowed to be a bit less one dimensional, in that sense, because this story doesn’t have, anymore, the same limits that stories told in the 60s had.
Either way, following the LOGIC/ACTION/EMOTION (that was more like Id, ego, superego alias logic, heart and the balance between the two) It isn’t Uhura that is replacing McCoy but it’s, I think, Kirk. He’s the emotion/heart that clashes with Spock’s logic and makes them rivals.
In that sense, reboot Kirk/Spock are much more a mirror of tos Spock/McCoy than original Kirk/Spock.. which, honestly, I find interesting
If anything, it removes a tiny bit of the predictably and strong ‘destined to be best friends forever’ vibes that surrounds their relationships.
Nowadays writers are also not scared to have the audience pick sides and chose their favorite. In tos, on the other hand, Roddenberry&co got scared when the audience seemed to prefer Spock because their goal was making us love Kirk as the guy was the protagonist for them.

back to id, ego and superego, probably the balance between the two could be Uhura who, for the most part, seems to be a logical woman all the while keeping her instinct and emotionality that make her human which, in my opinion, might be also be one of the main reasons that attracted Spock to her.

92. Jemini - July 26, 2014

84. Keachick (Rose)

that’s also obvious in the pictures from the London premiere
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2704782/Zoe-Saldana-leads-glamour-striking-chiffon-gown-attends-Guardians-Of-The-Galaxy-UK-premiere.html

I have to say the extra curves only make her all the more gorgeous
and she’s adorable

93. Jemini - July 26, 2014

78. Marja – July 25, 2014
70 TUP, somehow this question always comes up [from a man] when the femnist perspective appears.

…….

LOL I know, right? It’s amusing that on a page where at the news of an actress being pregnant some people’s first thought was ‘yay!! reduce the role of the only more prominent woman in the cast! Moar dudes pliz make it all about the dudes’ someone attempted to turn an opinion against sexism and misogyny into a display of misandry…

reminds me of those who bring up the ‘reversed racism’ or ‘heterophobia’ BS when people are talking about representation

94. Disinvited - July 26, 2014

# 88. IDIC Lives! – July 26, 2014

” Star Trek is in the realm of Earth’s myths and we don’t change Athena around with Zeus, and we don’t replace Batman with Cat Woman.” — IDIC Lives!

Well, the Romans did reboot the Greek gods, and they did more than just rename them. Also, BATTLESTAR GALACTICA rebooted them as well, AND did change Boomer and Starbuck in their mythos. So I don’t think you’ve supported your point very well with that example.

95. Keachick (Rose) - July 26, 2014

All anyone can *know* or *see* of a person is through what they write here. IDIC consistently twists other posters’ words and takes comments out of context in order to prove whatever point she wants to make. That is dishonest.

This has the effect of derailing legitimate discussion about a topic, causing some, who may have an opinion that may not necessarily conform to what has already been expressed, from contributing and dragging everything and everyone down to a very “low common denominator”.

I have been coming here since 2010 and some have complained about my “ramblings” etc. I guess it is up to others to decide what is *acceptable* comment or not.

96. Keachick (Rose) - July 26, 2014

Carol was not a damsel in distress. Khan broke her hip/legs. In fact, she made a very quick recovery without even needing the aid of a walking stick. She was back on duty helping Dr McCoy remove the Khan’s popsicled crew out of the torpedoes into more appropriate containment.

Earlier she appealed to Spock to not reveal to Starfleet (ie her father) that she was aboard the Enterprise. If that is what is defined as “damsel in distress”, it is a rather shallow definition. What she did reveal, yet again, was that indeed not all was well, just as Spock had suspected from the beginning.

97. Harry Ballz - July 26, 2014

Sure, why not redo The Three Musketeers and, this time, make one of them a woman.

Just because they USED to do it with men in the roles, doesn’t mean we have to stick with such an antiquated notion.

Oh, and they must have one of the male Musketeers in love with the female Musketeer.

This way, just before the Musketeers engage in a big sword fight with some terrible enemy, the lovey-dovey couple can bicker and argue about their relationship.

Oh boy, modern day fiction has me SO excited about the possibilities!

%#$@*^&!!!

98. Red Dead Ryan - July 26, 2014

Well, the show “Elementary” replaced John Watson with a woman, Joan Watson.

Thor is now (most likely temporary) a woman, though only in one series of MARVEL comics, not the movies.

I do think that its probably better to create a female character from scratch instead of merely gender-switching male icons.

James Bond, James Kirk, and Indiana Jones, et al, are male characters who should remain that way.

Just take some of the best qualities, ie, intelligence, savvy, humor, strength and soul and create a new female action hero around that while allowing her to be a woman. That’s what James Cameron has done with Ellen Ripley, Sarah Connor, and Netiyri (sp?).

99. Keachick (Rose) - July 26, 2014

Harry Ballz – what are you on about? As well, you seem so angry these days.

Not more bitching about the shuttlecraft scene. If that scene was JUST about a lovey-dovey couple bickering only about their relationship, then Kirk would have shut it down, but he didn’t because – he said “She’s right” which meant that Spock’s overall behaviour was of concern to him as well, not only as a friend, but also as a captain concerned about his first officer and how this first officer’s behaviour may affect his work.

It seems that the majority of people did not get the importance of that scene, the relevant fact that it took place where and when, and yet still continue to bitch about it and make sarcastic comments associated with it.

It really is not a hard scene to comprehend – at least I never found it so.

As for the rest of your post – as I said, what are you on about?

100. Harry Ballz - July 26, 2014

Ah, Keachick…..

“anger….lead you to the dark side, it will.”

Oooops, wrong franchise.

The main reason for my “angst” is that, I feel, Star Trek Into Darkness was such a STUPID movie.

Not gender roles, or some characters getting more prominence than others, but simply the fact that the writers thought it best to patch together a few big action scenes around the most CONVOLUTED plotline ever!

The whole story of STID was so f*cking stupid!

Using Khan was a HUGE mistake and Kirk’s death scene was absurd because the characters hadn’t yet earned our emotional investment. At least in TWOK we had known and loved Nimoy’s Spock for a good 16 years, so we had every right to get choked up when he died.

We all wait 3-4 years each time for a new Star Trek movie to be produced.

It would be nice if they could get it right for ONCE!

101. Marja - July 26, 2014

100 Mr Ballz, Not gender roles, or some characters getting more prominence than others, but simply the fact that the writers thought it best to patch together a few big action scenes around the most CONVOLUTED plotline ever!

Yes, agreed, the plotline was unbelievably convoluted, and therefore annoying to many of us.

So why bring up the scene on the way to Kronos? It just seems that Uhura’s “whining” in such an “important moment” — transit time to a remote location …

[again, Meta explanation, they had to cram it in there somewhere with all the Big Action Sequences, may as well use it to indicate passage of time]

… is the first resort of negative commenters about the movie in general. “Blame it on the presence of the woman of color” seems to be “ops normal” and a lot of us womenfolk don’t like it.

we had every right to get choked up when he died. I choked up at STiD’s moment because of the loss of potential [Kirk’s future as a captain] and Spock’s loss of a potentially lifelong friend. The loss of potential is worthy of sorrow, at least to me.

102. Marja - July 26, 2014

91 jemini, Kirk and Bones are friends since the academy while Spock and Uhura have a romantic relationship, two facets of the kind of relationships these characters can have as people. If Spock didn’t have Uhura it might have felt a bit unbalanced to me because Kirk is likely to have a bigger ‘support system’ of many friends on that ship (due to his much more open and friendly personality too), while Spock would have only Kirk and essentially no ‘life’ outside of their (future) friendship… and also no other perspective on his character other than Kirk’s… which would reduce him to the sidekick/nerdy friend of hero only all over again.

I agree. Of course some people like Spock being all lonely and Kirk being his only friend. Kirk is gregarious — AltKirk seems even moreso. I can see him sharing some whiskey with Scotty as they discuss Enterprise and her functions … I can see him talking with Uhura about personnel issues on the ship, because she is also friendly with many people … I can see him talking to any department head and giving encouragement where necessary, even to the “lowliest” crewmember.

I really like the new foreground dynamic: Kirk can reflect on/discuss things with McCoy as his friend, Spock can reflect on/discuss things [discussion probably being at Uhura’s insistence] with Uhura.

I can see the four of them having very valid discussions about any mission’s challenges facing them.

103. Marja - July 26, 2014

Lives! Marja, the 3rd woman on this thread, who is more reasonable usually, just shuns me. That’s fine, reminds me of junior high school though.

To quote you, “a nice way to keep my blood pressure down.”

104. Jemini - July 27, 2014

97. Harry Ballz – July 26, 2014
Sure, why not redo The Three Musketeers and, this time, make one of them a woman.

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Someone did a long time ago! When I was a kid I used to watch a version where Aramis was in fact a woman who had disguised herself as a man to join the musketeers. As a kid it didn’t traumatize me and I doubt it would now.
Btw, you’re talking about a story that in most of the ‘reboots’ is changed a lot compared to the book. Have you ever read ‘the count of montecristo’? Believe me most the movies change one little ‘detail’ in the end that removes a bit the sense of Edmund’s journey in the book.
Also, ask disney what they did with Andersen’s stories and all the stuff that they invented in their versions. Heck, many movies talk about a love story between Pocahontas and John Smith, never mind the historic accuracy tossed aside because at the time she met him she was a little girl and later she married a completely different ‘John’
So really what’s your gripe with the reboot writers? They did nothing that other writers never did before or don’t do by default when they make their own version of a story. Actually, they respect canon and the original more because they made their version an alternate reality that won’t retcon the old thing. And where there are changes they harmonize with canon e.g.,: Spock/uhura was supposed to happen in TOS too according to Nichols but the time was too racist and sexist for that and the show didn’t go past the third season. Having a more prominent female character had been Roddenberry’s idea as well (see number one) but again, the time was too sexist. Even making Uhura a skilled xenolinguist is making canon something that was supposed to be in the old thing as well.
Spock himself his characterization is more or less in tune with movie era Spock who was more accepting of his feelings. Alt!Spock possibly had different experiences beside the loss of vulcan that make him both the same and different and accelerated his emotional development. But Tos Spock wasn’t a protagonist, so, in that, it makes sense that you can develop certa in things only now that he is and the narrative can allow that.
Trek is full of little things that weren’t canon in the first series but were made canon by subsequent versions or the other series. TNG implemented many ideas that roddenberry&co had for TOS as well but couldn’t develop them there.
We’re are talking about something here that truly is nothing new. Stories change a bit because the contest where they are written changes too. There are things that in the 60s could be limited for obvious reasons and I sede no rational reason why a modern reboot should go backwards instead of fix things.

105. Jemini - July 27, 2014

*context

106. Jemini - July 27, 2014

Anyway that example doesn’t fit. No one turned Spock or the other guys into women nor someone ever asked the writers to do that. Uhura had always existed as a character and was a woman. Neverthless, she is NOT replacing one of the protagonists. If anything, she is a secondary like Mccoy and Scotty.

107. Curious Cadet - July 27, 2014

@106. Jemini,
“nor someone ever asked the writers to do that”

No one official you mean. I’ve been saying Chekov should have been a woman from the start — this character ISN’T even the alternate universe Chekov, since Chekov would have only been 13 in 2258 according to canon, and there’s no way the character we saw was 13. They should have made him a woman, the result of the alt timeline producing an older sister that expended up in Starfleet — indeed I see the destruction of the Kelvin having an effect similar to 9/11 where people were drawn closer by the resulting uncertainty, which resulted in a baby boom in NYC 9 months later. It would have been far more interesting for everyone. Make Sulu the nerdy genius if they had to have one, since he was an astrophysicist after all. Chekov could have been a female Kirk, much more interesting and useful in this male dominated cast.

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“If anything, she is a secondary like Mccoy and Scotty.”

Granted, like Scotty in STID, but McCoy has been relegated to third tier status so far.

108. Corylea - July 27, 2014

Congratulations to Ms. Saldana and best wishes for a healthy baby.

109. Disinvited - July 28, 2014

#104. Jemini – July 27, 2014

I remember that and there was a tv movie were Michael York brought back his Musketeer as a father of a daughter he trained to be a Musketeer too and she was played by the WITCHBLADE starring series’ actresss. What was York’s movie called? I think it was THE FEMALE MUSKETEER.

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