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  1. New chat! And yes, Peters is (deservedly) getting his pecker slapped.

  2. When will the USPS make available the new (4) Star Trek stamps?

  3. Damn.

    Chat Room is back to it’s black-walls-gold-grid look again.

    Oh well. time to fill it up again!

    Greetings to the crowd, old and new…

  4. Ah, a turn of the page, a new beginning.

  5. “Ah, a turn of the page, a new beginning.”


    A new year, a new beginning.

    …Happy New Year, everyone!

  6. OK, the maid did a lousy job again. Red velour undies and empty Saurian Brandy bottles everywhere!

  7. What the devil…?

  8. Just saw Star Wars in London… Yes, THAT scene… JJ does seem to like doing things like that. The overwhelming feeling I have is that, despite the many similarities with A New Hope, it’s true what they say; You can’t go home again.

    Nice to hear back from you ‘Beach. Hope all is well!

  9. Kayla Iacovino | January 4, 2016 at 6:36 pm | Reply

    Sorry guys, I had to reset the chat! The old one was getting pretty bogged down. Now you won’t have to scroll so far down every time you come here. To be fair, I had this new page up for several days and gave 2 or 3 warnings on the old chat page. Still, sorry the reset removes the most recent posts :(

  10. Kayla, you are so brilliant and talented (and gorgeous), how could we be mad at you? :>)

  11. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire | January 4, 2016 at 9:59 pm | Reply

    WOW!. Sure is Clean in here. Not a Durance to be found.

  12. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire | January 4, 2016 at 10:01 pm | Reply

    Kayla. You are the best.

  13. Emperor Mike, you know Durance would never fit in anything this small.

    I’m not saying she’s heavy, but the last time Durance laid out to do a little sunbathing (while wearing a “Malcolm X” t-shirt), a helicopter tried to land on her!

  14. @ 7. AJ – January 4, 2016

    “What the devil…?”


    ….And, now, do the happy dance!


  15. Saw “In the Heart of the Sea.”
    Despite the drubbing it took from critics, I found it an enjoyable flick with whales in it. I really, really, really don’t need to see films that find new cg ways to level cities and blow up planets. I like storytelling. I’m not saying this is a great film; it’s not, and the book is much, much better. On the whole, thought, it’s not at all bad and it’s very pretty to watch. George Kirk is still the first officer. Caitlyn Stark amazingly doesn’t attend any weddings, red or any other color. The Pequod — urm, Essex — gets a lot of screen time. Check it out if you’re ready for a break from SW7 rewatchings.

    Also watched the entire first season of Ash vs. Evil Dead. It’s exactly what you hope/fear, depending on your love for this franchise. Bruce Campbell is fun, Xena is sexy, the blood is piped in to be spilled by the mega-gallon. Don’t get too fond of any of the minor characters; just sayin’.

  16. I actually kept my promise to myself and divorced American Horror Story.

    I have been watching The Walking Dead and wish it would just end. There seriously is not point to its blood-porn approach. Note: I liked Ash vs. Evil Dead — or its sense of humor and self-deprecation. TWD has NOTHING left in its tanks. NOTHING.

  17. @15

    Chris Hemsworth is such a shitty actor he makes
    Durance look like Cate friggin’ Blanchett!!

  18. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire | January 5, 2016 at 10:36 pm | Reply

    Actually Harry. more like Cate Jenner. Lol.

  19. It looks like Shatner is confirming what a lot of people know – he’s not revisiting JTK in STB.

  20. @18

    Ooooh, good one, EM! :>)

  21. Rainy, earthshaking day in SoCal so a perfect day to seE a movie and I saw THE FORCE AWAKENS.

    I found it an interesting odd bird of a franchise movie. It very much played as a Finn movie given his part of the story was the only one that went through a complete arc.

    I liked Finn and his tale. I was little put off that they made him a sanitation engineer given all the other WW II allegories scattered throughout the franchise, that one should have stayed there in that war. I might have bought the battle armor and helmet if the job had been upgraded to the modern Hazardous Materials Management. For the life of me, I can’t fathom why a “sanitation engineer” would need battle armor and a blaster?

    The Skywalker saga which I have come to expect to be the thread that connects all the main sequence STAR WARS franchise tales together almost seems grafted on to Flynn’s story just to ensure that the seats would be filled for it. But I have to admit it was a skillful graft as opposed an obnoxious one.

    I definitely enjoyed this more than the prequels. More later.

  22. 21 Dis, but remember, if it was gaseous HazMat, he’d be in danger because the armor doesn’t screen out toxins! (Seriously, JJ??)

    I wondered for a moment if making Finn a sanitation engineer was a sort of racist joke (Ohhh, JJ, please be better than that) or more of a joke harking back to ANH when Han, Leia and co. were trapped in the trash compactor. You’d think protections against HazMat would be required, what with all the mdern materials and their outgassing and so on.

    I admit I was very puzzled that they’d send a sanitation engineer in to raze a town with the other Stormtroopers, but I can retcon it to “he was a Stormtrooper who was on punishment detail for some time because of his inadequate performance in doing a ‘proper’ Stormtrooper job, like killing innocent folk.”

  23. Hot diggity, Kayla! First time in a LONG time I haven’t had to use the “jump to bottom” button in Chat!

    Thanks but with regret that all our smartypants ripostes for vintage 2015 are Lost to Time …

  24. @22. Nah, I suspect you may be overthinking the sanitation engineer job title. The movie didn’t give us a ton of exposition on all the details of operational life in the First Order – we did see a lot of infrastructure, so it’s not hard to know that there are all sorts of support jobs to the fighting force. It’s inferred that FOST’s are brainwashed for their jobs. I’d also assume, like all other fighting forces, if the Marine Corp cooks come under fire, they pick up their rifles and shoot back. No idea how Finn came to be a Stormtrooper, but obviously the FO needed troops. Perhaps that explains why Finn’s conditioning didn’t take – if he wasn’t Trooper material to begin with. Their need for bodies forced them to lower their standards, to the point where their attempt to brainwash away Finns’ conscience might have met their training standards, but it ultimately failed, which is why he bolted and ran. Either way, it there is enough story that we can retcon it a couple of different ways that are plausible, and consistent with the continuity of the film.

  25. They renewed Durance’s Saving Hope for a 13 Episode Season 4.

  26. @25

    Is there no justice in this world, Craiger?

  27. I thought Finn being a sanitation dude was just there to set up Han’s joke about tossing Capt Phasma in a compactor. Or maybe Finn was supposed to bring to mind the Black cook who shot down a zero during the attack on Pearl Harbor. The bit about the ST masks not filtering out toxins is JJ being too lazy to think through a situation. He just wanted to get Finn, Rey, and BB-8 out of sight long enough for Han to make his entrance. LOTS of plot holes. JJ is crying all over his mountain of cash.

  28. 28 CmdrR, you said it. A little sad that now he’s Hollywood’s dahlink and can make whatever movies he wants. If only he could be seasoned under Spielberg.

    Also how’d you do in the fan writing contest? ??

  29. #27. CmdrR – January 7, 2016

    FWIW the history:

    “In September 1941 the Civilian Aide to the Secretary of War, William H. Hastie, after ten months of “observation, discussion, and action in the War Department and in the field,” produced an “overall description of what is happening to the Negro in the Army” and suggested corrective measures. …

    He [Hastie] criticized the continued increase of Negroes in the Quartermaster Corps “in which dispersion of small units is most extreme”; the provision of 11 percent Negroes in the Medical Corps, “practically all of them in Sanitary Companies” with “no white Sanitary Companies whatever”; and the concentration of Negroes in engineer general service regiments and in “scattered” ammunition companies. …”

    Also Sanitation was the responsibility of the Army Corps of Engineers and not the Medical Corps.

  30. Marja – It’s entered. That’s the main thing. The judging is sometime in March. Working on another ss for fun, non-Trek this time.

  31. # 24. Phil – January 7, 2016

    ” if the Marine Corp cooks come under fire, they pick up their rifles and shoot back. No idea how Finn came to be a Stormtrooper, but obviously the FO needed troops. Perhaps that explains why Finn’s conditioning didn’t take – if he wasn’t Trooper material to begin with. Their need for bodies forced them to lower their standards…” – Phil

    You do realize that implying an equivalency to a cook is in no way distancing this from the WW II US military’s entrenched racism that assigned many overqualified black soldiers to these menial duties which was my concern for this allegory being in the movie [blindly or otherwise] in the first place? Again, “lowering the standards” to get the only clearly shown black trooper in, was also a common baseless rant about there being black soldiers in the military back then too.

  32. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire | January 9, 2016 at 10:21 pm | Reply

    Looks like Durance has a New with of $2.5 Million. Lol.

  33. @32

    Emperor Mike, you task me…….you’re like a dog with a bone, or maybe you have a bone for that dog?

    All I can say is, “%#$@*&%#!!”

  34. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire | January 10, 2016 at 6:42 pm | Reply

    Now for todays Erica Durance Quote.

    I’m learning to embrace who I am and what I look like.
    Erica Durance

  35. David Bowie is dead at 69 after an 18 month battle with cancer. RIP.

  36. Is there life on Mars?


  37. # 36. CmdrR – January 11, 2016

    ” Is there life on Mars?” – CmdrR

    Unknown, but I believe it may be possible that life which we categorize as extremophile my flourish there still.

    Meanwhile, I question the life of the Hollywood Foreign Press that they confused THE MARTIAN with MY FAVORITE MARTIAN and gave it the Golden Globe for best motion picture comedy?

  38. 37 – Guess I shoulda gone with a line from Space Oddity…
    Disinvited, your homework assignment is to YuzeToob “Bowie Life on Mars.”

  39. #38. CmdrR – January 12, 2016

    “Guess I shoulda gone with a line from Space Oddity…” — CmdrR

    Nah, it’s not what you think. My 2015 to now year has just assaulted my personal life with the Grim Reaper visiting my “real” family far too much in its time span and my “sf” family too.

    Intellectually, I knew I was entering this time of my life but I was just flailing about here trying to find some respite in some small measure from overreacting to the other half of a favorite holiday duet dying. It just brought back Bing’s death shortly after that airing too which I lived through also.

  40. Apparently, this petition to God to cancel/reverse David Bowie’s death is gaining some steam.

    If it works, we can do the same for all our beloved deceased Star Trek actors as well…I mean, at least Nimoy…

  41. Okay, if anyone wins the Powerball, you’ll need a good financial services advisor. Feel free to look me up, and keep the love in the Trekkie family…

    I know, Maybe I’ll help you get a fan film made that won’t piss off the CBS/Paramount lawyers….

  42. 41 – … that WON’T piss off CBS/Paramount?
    Well then, forget it.

  43. RIP Alan Rickman

    “By Grabthar’s hammer, by the suns of Warvan, you shall be remembered!”

  44. RIP Alan Rickman!

  45. #43. CmdrR – January 14, 2016 , 44. AJ – January 14, 2016

    What a thing to greet the morn.

    “Actors are agents of change. A film, a piece of theatre, a piece of music, or a book can make a difference. It can change the world.” — Alan Rickman

    Truly, you changed ours, Alan. Goodbye, and peace.

  46. Sad news.

    RIP Alan Rickman.

    So much for Galaxy Quest 2, which I had doubts about anyway.

  47. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire | January 14, 2016 at 5:54 pm | Reply

    RIP Alan Rickman. What a Great Actor and a Wonderful Human. You shall never be forgotten.

  48. Damn what an awful few days.

    First David Bowie, whose creativity and daring in the early ’70s opened a generation of gay boys and men to accept, and speak of, their identities. Who was kind to his fans. Whose music STILL rocks; it’s timeless. RIP David.

    And now Alan Rickman. Incomparable acting talent, a silky baritone that could be sexy or threatening, and a great variety of roles. Unafraid of comedy (our beloved “Galaxy Quest”) or aching sincerity (“Sense and Sensibility”). Oddly, he too died of cancer at age 69. RIP Alan.

    You gentlemen will be greatly missed.

    “Planet Earth is blue ….”
    —————- —————– —————– —————– —————– ———–
    “…. and there’s nothing I can do”

    Yes we’re getting to that age. Our celluloid heroes (and fan-crushes of our youth) are passing from this earthly existence and taking their place among the stars.

  49. 34 Emperor Mike, JAYSIS CHRIST for a minute there I thought you were saying

    I look like. Erica Durance.

  50. I’m continuing my pitch for “The Expanse.” This is “hard science” — well, as hard as you can get and maintain a dramatic presentation — with a good space opera vibe. Think Kim Stanley Robinson (although this series is based on its own book series). Here’s a decent review of the latest ep:

    You’ve got some great characters actors — Tyreese and Lane Pryce as heavies — and good dialogue to move things along. I think I most love the “little things.” There’s a moment where a dude in a spacesuit is bothered by some bug that’s crawled into his suit and onto his face. He takes a deep breath, opens his visor, and takes the bug off his face. In short, there are humans who are adapting slowly to that horrible environment. Cool stuff and lots of it. It’s a VERY immersive show.

    Other review: The Shannara Chronicles. Real quick comment: I’ve seen it. It’s just too much LoTR, just like the very first book was. I’m not saying it’s bad. Visually, it’s gorgeous. But, it’s not its own creature, at least not yet. I watched the pilot, but it just did not hook me.

    Good viewing, all!

  51. @49 Marja “Emperor Mike..I thought you were saying I look like Erica Durance”

    No, Marja, Emperor Mike would never be THAT insulting.

  52. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire | January 15, 2016 at 8:17 pm | Reply

    #49. Harry. I would never say that.
    That was just a quote by the famous Durance.

  53. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire | January 15, 2016 at 8:19 pm | Reply

    Well. I just saw Star Trek Phase 2s The Holiest Thing.
    All in all a good Episode. Acting was decent an the FX was pretty good. Story was ok. Though they do show us Kirk and Carol meeting for the first time.
    All in all I give the Ep a 7 on a 10 scale.

  54. 51 Harry, 53, Emperor Mike, I forgot the quotes

    For a second I thought you (Emperor Mike ) were saying,

    “Oh noes, poor Emperor Mike!” was my first thought …

    We’re at the age when we are entitled to be silly ;-)

  55. Marja, life is serious enough. Silly is best! :>)

    By the way, I just binge-watched the Netflix series “River”, about a brilliant (but unbalanced) London detective. Superb.

  56. Heh, Harry — if it wasn’t for TrekMovie, NETFLIX and mystery books, I could’ve accomplished so much more in the last two years … (sigh)

  57. Reality. What’s the point?

    Enjoy Trek, NETFLIX, and books!

  58. Marja, have you ever read “Shibumi” by Trevanian? More of a thriller, but a great read.

  59. 54 – Emp. Just watched it. I left some comments. I won’t give them a total love n kisses response, because frankly they need to address some issues. On the whole, though, they do a fine fan-level production. I liked Mind Sifter better, but only because this ep ran heavy on looooooooong scenes where characters sit still and talk about their feelings. I mean loooooooooooooooooooooooooooong scenes like that. The actress playing Carol never really won me over, either. I just didn’t see what Kirk saw in her over say Edith of Mirimani. Not really sure why he’s carrying his mother’s wedding ring around on missions, either. Or how Carol knows she’s got a tennis sweater in her belly after only three days.

    But… it’s a good time at the puter, and that’s what matters.

    I really liked the trailer for the next ep, with Richard Hatch as a baddie.

  60. I turned on the Holiest Thing, and ran screaming from the room after the first few words of dialog. Nosireebop. Not going there at all.

  61. Harry, as long as there aren’t serial killers or alasher violence, I’ll give it a try. Thanks for the suggestion!

    CmdrR, wouldn’t a 23rd century doc be able to test and based on chromosome counts be able to tell her what sex of tennis sweater it is? (My knowledge of parturition is not all that current.) Of xourse that begs the question, why would she go for a test. Maybe because she’d skipped her birth control shot. And slept with the most manly man in the galaxy. The most manly HUMAN man that is.

    And let’s hope that planet lurker turns put to be an actual planet. I’m still irritated about Pluto!

  62. Sorry, I meant “VIII”, not “XIII”

  63. 64 AJ, LOL

    Opposite of the Colbert Bump, that’s fer sure

  64. Sorry, I meant “VIII”, not “XIII”

    Don’t worry, AJ. They’ll be making SW movies until The Big Crunch makes the universe so small, SW fans can no longer get their huge butts into theatre seats.

  65. I finally got around to seeing “Tomorrowland” last night, and it really sucked. Not only does it spend way too much time setting itself up, but they cram in a romantic angle between George Clooney’s character and a permanently 12-year old girl android whom he crushed on as a boy, and can’t seem to let go of as a crusty middle-aged man. her death scene adds what seems like 30 extra minutes to the denouement of the film (which lasts 2 hours, 20 minutes).

    I wasn’t surprised to see Damon Lindelof’s name attached to it; after all, he is the master of unsimplifying basically decent, workable plots with extra garbage no one needs (STID!)

    In the end, the film is “messagey,” but it all gets lost in huge plot holes (why can’t the female lead’s dad, an active NASA engineer, get a new job once Cape Canaveral closes down? Is he an idiot?) and silly/unamusing set pieces (How many “Star Wars” references can we cram into a 5 minute scene?). And then, add in Clooney’s bizarre unrequited puppy love, and it boils down to 2+ wasted hours closer to death.

  66. Tomorrowland was a hot mess.
    Seek out World of Tomorrow. 16 minutes, stick figures, and more laughs and brain chow than The Compleat Lindelof.

  67. I turned Tomorrowland off after 20 minutes. Unwatchable.

  68. Now this is news:

    50th Anniversary convention in NYC.- where it all started!

  69. 68 AJ, To be fair, the girl’s an adolescent. Maybe she wants to stay in FL, doesn’t know if her dad even has job prospects (NASA has had huge reductions in funding), blah blah blah.

    That said, the movie was blah as well. Although I did enjoy feasting eyes on George Clooney. Shallow, I know ;-)

  70. I turned Mad Max:Fury Road off after 30 minutes. Unwatchable.

  71. 73 – Harry Curmudgeon Ballz, Mad Max: Fury Road was the best film of last summer. Sorry you don’t like Charlize Theron… or loud cars… or action that actually makes sense in a movie… or movies…

    You’ll probably hate Everest as well, since it’s a good movie, too.

  72. Harry, I am a long-term Mad Max fan, and I was delighted by Fury Road.

    I also thought the film was stunning to watch.

    It’s not a standard actioner, for sure, but the Mad Max series invented most of the post-apocalyptic generalities we now take for granted in genre films, and George Miller had to push the envelope again.

    I still think the first Mad Max is untouchable, and it was done on a shoestring. This one was lush, detailed, and incredibly well-acted, and you should give it another go.

    Save your vitriol for inevitable suckage of Batman V Superman!

  73. AJ, I gave it 30 minutes and all I saw was mindless action with no character development or storyline worth talking about.

    Visually stunning, but I didn’t give a shit about what I was watching.

  74. 76 Harry, when I saw the preview there was a guy depicted playing a guitar while strapped to the front of a truck. WHUT.

    I heard there was a feminist depiction of Sharon Stone’s character trying to rescue the harem of some cruel ba—-d — but the sexist trope of a harem countered that …

    Not to mention Tom Hardy, an actor I cannot stand, no matter what the trope. In defiance of the critics, I stayed home.

  75. Right there with you on Tom Hardy (who I will always remember as the forgettable Shinzon) — but, at least they kept him gagged during most of the movie. Beyond that, I really like MM:FR. I thought it managed to show action without insulting me.


  76. Hey, whatever floats your boat.

    I agree with both of you regarding Tom Hardy. He is highly overrated as an actor.

  77. Yeah, I’m not feeling much about B vs.S at this point. I’m suspecting that this is the year that a couple of these CGI driven superhero epics crash hard.

  78. Hardy hardly ‘acts’ in the thing.

    In the best Mad Max Mel Gibson tradition, he just kind of sneers and emotes in the background, and leaves everyone at the end with their problems solved so he can go off onto his next adventure or just die of exposure in the post-apocalypse wasteland.

    I went into it as a fan of the series. I even watched “Thunderdome” again beforehand, which is the worst of the originals, yet made the most money. In my case, Fury Road was a winner.

  79. You know, I’d love to know you folks’ s favorite movies.

    Okay besides “Casablanca”.

  80. Books, too.

    Though I’m hard-pressed to choose a favorite it’s somewhere around Austen’s “Persuasion,” O’Brian’s “Post Captain” (Aubrey-Maturin 2nd book), and Clavell’s “Shogun.”

  81. And Chandler’s “Lady in the Lake.”

  82. OK, once again this chat ate my homework.

    So, forgive me if this is a repeat. Anyhoo…

    Books: Almost any novel by Umberto Eco or any Culture novel by Iain M. Banks… “We, The Drowned” by Carsten Jensen… “Unbound” by Dean King… “The Terror” by Dan Simmons… lots more…

    Movies: “World of Tomorrow,” “Ex Machina,” “Brotherhood of the Wolf,” “Crimson Peak,” & “Kon Tiki” (2012 or 1951). … lots more…

  83. Grrr… it’s like potato chips…

    “Being Mortal” by Atal Gawande… “Snow Falling on Cedars” by Guterson… “Empress Dowager Cixi” by Jung Chang…

  84. reggiegillingham | January 31, 2016 at 8:33 am | Reply

    Any favorite episodes?

  85. CmdrR, I have GOT to get more of Atul Gawande’s books from the library. Though they seem to have dearth of medical memoirs, discussions, etc. I have enjoyed every one of his articles in The New Yorker, so at least one book of his that I borrowed seemed to be a compilation. I want to read Steven Pinker’s books on language too.

    ReggieG, off the top of my head I’ll say, (all TOS for now), “The Doomsday Machine” (even with its gaping plot hole of McCoy running up to the Bridge on General Quarters — instead of to Sickbay, his proper station on Red Alert — but then we wouldn’t have the fabulous standoff between Decker and Kirk); “The Naked Time,” because Kevin Riley! Uhura getting snippy! “Sorry, neither!” Half-nekkid gleaming Sulu! Kirk-Spock slapfest with Shat’s “CAN’T you underSTAND!”; “Charlie X,” one episode that portrays Rand with anymuch depth and, in addition to its great story of young adulthood and unmanageable impulses, has that delightful, teasing scene in the Rec Room with Uhura singing of Spock, and Spock’s gently amused-annoyed reaction; “Amok Time” because Vulcan customs! “Conscience of the King” — aspects are terribly dated but it otherwise stands up, dramatically; “City on the Edge,” for Kirk’s b.s.’ing the cop, his grown-up romance, and heartbreak, and our glimpses of McCoy’s gentle, gracious personality with Edith Keeler …. I know I’ve forgotten at least to include at least one of my big favorites in this list.

  86. A great story from Popular Mechanics on the latest restoration of NCC-1701 at the Smithsonian for the 50th.

  87. Walt Kozlowski | February 3, 2016 at 3:49 pm | Reply

    I was thinking CBS will be broadcasting Super Bowel 50, why not promote Star Trek’s 50th anniversary? Start out with a 50th cut to clips of highlights of the past Super Bowels. Narrated by Shatner, then fade to highlights of Trek,with voice over” Join us this year for another Out of this world celebration – ” 1966 (50 inside Delta) 2016″.

  88. Oops, sorry AJ, you beat me to it… I reposted your link.

  89. I think “Generations” gets more mentions on the web than any other Trek film because of crap like this being on WWW auto-repeat every few months:

  90. The folks over at Trek Core are doing a fine job of covering the E’s restoration at the Smithsonian. Lots of great photos.

  91. Harry, you should really check MissionLog. Tons of arguing this week; you’d be a natural.

    For everyone else, season one of The Expanse wrapped up with a bang. If you (hard sci-fi fans) are not watching it, PLEASE check it out.

  92. RIP Edgar Mitchell, #6.

    As of now, only 7 living men have walked on the moon. Probes are swell, but we need space boots on distance soil.

  93. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire | February 6, 2016 at 8:06 pm | Reply

    I don’t know if anyone has seen this yet. But the Trailor of ID4 2 looks really good.

  94. distant soil

    We also need an edit function for this chat.

  95. Star Trek isn’t the only one turning 50. 50 years of the Super Bowl. Don’t care for sports but I recognize tradition. Also, halftime shows are usually pretty good.

  96. I saw “The Revenant” last night.

    DiCaprio is very good in it. Tom Hardy is average, as usual, no screen presence whatsoever.

    It’s a good movie, but best picture of the year?


  97. @100 Harry,

    Will you be seeing Chris Pine’s latest opus? He just can’t seem to catch a break. FINEST HOURS is tanking at the box office, proving once again that he’s not a box office draw. Too bad the reviews are tepid as well. It’s weird actually, I saw him on Colbert promoting the film, and the audience was screaming with delight at his presence on the show. The interview was a little strange — Pine sort of comes off as aloof and distant. It’s fascinating watching his career go nowhere even as he seems to enjoy some popularity.

  98. Curious Cadet, I think Pine is a fine actor. Good acting chops.

    Leading man status?

    The jury is still out.

  99. 95. CmdrR – February 5, 2016

    For everyone else, season one of The Expanse wrapped up with a bang.

    I’m digging it!

  100. 102. Harry Ballz – February 7, 2016

    Curious Cadet, I think Pine is a fine actor. Good acting chops. Leading man status? The jury is still out.

    I can’t quite put my finger on what I don’t like about Pine. He’s not a bad actor, but I guess I’d characterize him as something of a one-trick pony. I don’t see much versatility in his acting. He basically plays Chris Pine playing the character. That type of acting is fine for an actor with natural charisma who pulls you in—like Harrison Ford, or Gabriel Byrne—but Pine doesn’t seem to have that x-factor. I haven’t seen him in that many non-BR Trek roles, so maybe I’m not being fair. I’ve heard he was good in that train movie with Denzel Washington.

  101. Pine was NOT a good Jack Ryan, but it may have been just the flick itself being a pile of crap. “That train movie” with Denzel was actually OK.

    He’ll be Wonder Woman’s main squeeze in her stand-alone film.

    From what I understand/recall, both he and Zachary Quinto are signed beyond the first three BR Trek films.

  102. Spent another evening NOT watching the superbowl this year. I’m just not a football fan that much. However, it’s always impressive how popular the sport is in America. Baseball is a joke. Basketball looks like a high school gym class sport, but football is epic. Love those 6 jets flying overhead at the end of the anthem. Made ME feel patriotic for the great US of A (and god dammit, I’m Canadian!). Go Broncos…

  103. 105 – It hurts ST if our current Kirk is not star-worthy. A friend did not care for the script… or acting in Finest Hours. The trailer shows mostly cgi — never a good sign.

  104. Bryan Fuller has been named showrunner for the new Trek show. I’d imagine that with a 1/2017 premier, that there should be more information forthcoming on the show soon.

  105. A little something for the pages Canadian friends. Don’t believe for a moment we aren’t on to you….

  106. Bryan Fuller is super news for the new series. Finally, we fans get a break….

  107. Yeah, I’m thinking he’s a good choice.

  108. There are different levels of acting. Chris Pine isn’t at the very top, but he isn’t at the bottom either. Given the right opportunity, he could be great.

    For example, look at the late Heath Ledger. What did most people think about him before the Dark Knight? Probably what some think about Chris Pine. Or look at Bryan Cranston. Before Breaking Bad, who was he? Chris is on the cusp. He needs a breakthrough role.

  109. OK, so that’s two chances that Trek will get good again.

  110. LGirl, good points.

    The main burdens on “The Finest Hours” were poor direction and a so-so, somewhat confusing script. Pine and Casey Affleck were the best things about the movie, and they were acting their asses off.

    I thought Pine did very well as a modest, shy guy with excellent job skills.

  111. The first anniversary of Mr. Nimoys passing is fast approaching. Here is a little insight into his struggles with COPD.

  112. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire | February 10, 2016 at 10:13 am | Reply

    I like Brian fuller as head of Star Trek. He will be great.
    I like Bernie Sanders for U.S President. He will be great.
    I like Harry with Durance.
    I like Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire. He is great

    Well 3 out of 4 ain’t bad. Right Harry.

  113. @117

    Emperor Mike, I’m not going to nibble at the Durance bait.

    Instead, here’s a Valentines Day query:

    Q: What’s the difference between love and herpes?

    A: Herpes is forever.

  114. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire | February 10, 2016 at 9:35 pm | Reply

    Well. I guess Durance would be Anti love. Lol.

  115. 117 Emperor Mike, Waxing political if I might:
    Yay, a Sanders man! I agree he’d be great. Be sure to give Sanders support in the US Senate by voting in Democrats — there are only a few seats available and if they are Dems with some Ballz, Sanders can get some serious and helpful things done. But so few seats are available we’ll be squeaking by to get a majority. Imagine how much good Obama could have done with a cooperative Congress. Breaks my heart to think of all those opportunities wasted. Like, a single-payer health plan. Gosh.

    We need Democratic state legislatures too. Our Flori-duh legislature, in tandem with thievin’ Rick Scott, has done lot of damage to schools, public health … Grrr I could go on and on. But won’t.

    119 Emperor Mike
    118 Harry
    She could be herpes.

  116. 114 CmdrR, HISHE is such a great source of laughter. Thanks!

    KHAN: “I’M KHAN”
    KIRK “Who’s Khan?”
    KHAN (frustrated) “You know, Star Trek II, Wrath of Khan, c’mon …”
    KIRK (looking at McCoy and Spock: “What’s Star Trek?”
    MCCOY AND SPOCK: (shrugs)

  117. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire | February 10, 2016 at 10:21 pm | Reply

    #120. I agree. Clinton has way to may problems and I believe she is done Sanders. Well He is a Breath of fresh Air. I like him..

    Maybe Durance is Herpes and Herpes is Durance.

  118. Just watched the new trailer for Batman v Superman. It LOOKS really good, too bad the premise is so flawed. Superman could kill Batman in two seconds with his heat vision.

  119. A must read:

    Shatner was making a film about the captains of the Enterprise and Leonard didn’t want any part of it. A cameraman shot him at a convention and it was included in the film. Leonard never spoke to Shatner again and he doesn’t know if this was the reason.

    ‘It is something I will wonder about and regret forever.’

    Did anyone here know Nimoy and Shatner were no longer speaking?

  120. 123. Harry Ballz – February 11, 2016

    Superman could kill Batman in two seconds with his heat vision.


    But I’m sure the writers find plenty of reasons for him not to, so they can drag out the fight for an hour and a half. Snooze.

  121. 123:

    Harry: Batman v. Superman has about 100 reasons why it could suck, with one of the main ones being the mismatch between the two heroes.

    Of course, why Superman never just burned Lex Luthor to the ground with his heat vision would also be a legit question to ask. Gene Hackman’s version would say it’s because of Superman’s inherent desire to do good. The Superman in this film has already been shown to be capable of murder, so who knows?

    Obviously, there will be some gimmick (Kryptonite!) which will even the odds, but then Zak Snyder has to pull his finger out and make a decent movie. The whole DC Universe investment at this point going forward is based on one mixed-review Superman film which grossed $668m. This one has to break a billion.

  122. Cygnus, AJ….what do you think of the brand new trailer for S v B?

  123. New trailer is fun.

    Batman blocking Superman’s punch says the fight’s real.

    Wonder Woman is hot, but my jury is out until I see the film.

  124. AJ – superman did not murder Zod. He offered instructive rehabilitation of a permanent nature.

    Not psyched about most of the hpcoming superhero flicks. My pick for worst is Civil War, since it can only be a multi-part slugfest.

    I will happily apologize if someone assures me that these turn out to be well-made, character-driven films with a worthwhile message and some humor.

    I shall not hold my breath.

  125. Wonky Trek time travel article. I don’t think we are going to be lacking on 50th anniversary promotional materials….

  126. A tale of two movies….
    I left the theater after STID, wondering ‘what the hell’. After a few more viewings on cable, the movie grew on me. Not a classic Trek story, but still much better then the craptacular Generations.
    I left the theater after Man of Steel, thinking ‘hey, good job’. After a few viewings on cable, that drifted to ‘what the hell’….

    S v B is shaping up to be the origin movie for Justice League, and it looks like they made a creative decision to make their god like hero a hellva lot more vulnerable to accomplish it. Personally, I’m not feeling it from the trailers, but will need to see it to reserve judgment. To many decent action/sci-fi/adventure movies have been ruined by some plot gimmick in recent years that gives me some reason that caution is in order to view this movie. The plot has pretty much been telegraphed out already, so it’s really going to come down to performances and how well the movie has been crafted.

  127. Harry I think Batman has Kryptonite in his suit. Also listen to what Superman says at 2:02 in the trailer:

  128. @132

    Craiger, even if Superman points out to Batman that he won’t kill him, Supes could easily stand 200 feet away from a Kryptonite suit and throw things at Batman until he blacks out. Or knock him out with, yes, his super breath.

    THE END. Credits.

  129. An article on the risk and potential consequences of BvS suckage:

    My estimate of a billion bucks gross sales up in #126 was pulled out of my a*s. This article sort of confirms it’s a benchmark number for Warner Brothers and the whole shebang. Good luck. If they do the “Affleck Batman” movie before JLA, people will just forget about the whole band getting together in BvS.

    “Aquaman,” for Christ’s sake. Who gives a crap about Aquaman?

    CmdrR: I am grudgingly psyched for Civil War. I hope at least it’s better than the last Avengers film, which I enjoyed, but it was just too much shoehorned into 2 hours, with too much obviously taken out.

  130. Factoid: Ben Affleck did a great job in “Hollywoodland” playing George Reeves, TV’s “Superman.”

    As I’ve said previously I think we’ll see the downfall of some major studios because of all these yoooge movies. Perhaps “Trumpian” would be a good adjective for them: full of sound and fury, signifying exactly nada!

  131. @124 Silvereyes

    This is news to me. I read the article. It’s sad knowing the personal battles Leonard fought. For one thing, I didn’t know he was a functioning alcoholic. The relationship between Shatner and the rest of the crew was one thing, but I was under the impression that Bill and Leonard were still friends (speaking with each other).

  132. I will read Shatner’s book. I have it on order.
    Sucks getting to know your heroes, but still…

  133. The idea of Shatner’s book gives me a slight case of the creeps–if they weren’t getting along/even speaking by the time Nimoy passed, how does Shatner get off cashing in by writing a whole book about his “friend” Leonard?

  134. Harry in one scene in the trailer it shows Supes about to use his heat vision. I wonder if that is when Supes hears that roar of Darkseid and not use his heat vision. I think that is when they decided to end their conflict when they saw Darkseid and work together to try and defeat him. I think that is how the movie will end with the start of the early formation of the Justice League.

  135. 138 – Agreed, but I will read it. Kind of curious now about the whole double talk about Shat’s missing LN’s funeral.

  136. 138 AJ, Indeed it seems a bit opportunistic to me, especially with its inclusion of gossip magazine-worthy and some salacious episodes in Nimoy’s life.

    Equally opportunistic was the filming of Leonard at a convention w/o his permission for inclusion in “The Captains,” in which he did not want to appear. Shat seems to have little sneaky streak to which Nimoy may have objected. Shatner directly violated Nimoy’s wishes; I am sorry that Nimoy could not forgive the fallible nature of his friend, but perhaps he felt life was too short to deal further with Shat’s foibles.

    Re Nimoy’s alcohol use, while he was a wild guy with low self-esteem and depression reinforced by alcohol addiction in his younger years, he was sober and serene for many years before his death. I saw clear evidence of this in his helping Shatner through the death of the alcoholic Mrs Shatner, which both men discussed in “Mind Meld.” That is how I prefer to remember Nimoy and Shatner, as friends who helped each other in times of difficulty.

  137. @141. Or, as the say, the transgression was the straw that broke the camels back. I’ve come across a few reviews about the book, and there were a couple of observations made that for a publication presumably about his relationship with Nimoy, Shat spends some time dwelling on his favorite subject – Shat.

    It’s a shame, if true. It makes it really hard to extend the benefit of the doubt to the guy when his behavior is so very predictable. Personally, I’d feel a fair level of shame going to my grave, knowing I’d expended every bit of good will from people I’d should be considering as friends

  138. As I said, it’s rough “meeting” your heroes. I have no doubt Shatner is a self-absorbed arse. But there is a charm there, too.

    I am saddened that their friendship broke at the end. I once spent an hour on the phone with one of Mom’s old drinking gal pals, trying to get her to mend fences, because my mother was dying. The old bat (the one on the phone) kept talking about her own feelings and concerns, missing the point of reaching out while there was time. People are stuck behind their own eyes.

    She finally agreed to talk to Mom, though I have no idea what they said.

    Wish LN had — but that was his choice. I will not question it.

    Hopefully, we’ll be more enlightened… in the future.

  139. Not surprised to hear that about Shatner. Even though I’m a fan, he always seemed to be a selfish, conceited, self-absorbed, money-grubbing pr*ck.

    I think his being broke in the early 1970’s must have really informed some undeveloped part of his psyche.

    The guy would sell his mother to the Arabs if he thought he could make a dime off of it!

    He would sell tickets to his own funeral if he thought he could turn a profit!

    Of course, his hammy over the top acting was perfect for TOS and that’s why we love the guy to this day!

  140. The guy may be a pain in the ass, but damn it, he’s our pain in the ass!

  141. In the end, as we age, we shed more and more of those around us who cause emotional stress. “Toxic” relationships. Or we try to, anyway.

    It’s obvious that Shatner and Nimoy were as different to one another as Kirk is to Spock, and they maintained their individual public profiles quite differently than one another. Always rivals where Trek is concerned, Nimoy actually milked that one right up until the end, in both JJ films, and that Audi commercial with Quinto. I bet Shatner would’ve loved to get some of that; he certainly made a lot of noise before each new Trek film (as he is doing now before the third) that “I am interested, but….” etc. But his batting average is .000 in terms of actually getting on-screen.

    Shatner, of course had a diverse career in recent years; he was a TV star with his Denny Crane character. Something Nimoy didn’t have.

    The article I read said Shatner is helping Nimoy’s son Adam with his film about his dad’s work as Spock. And, obviously Nimoy’s family is on board with the book. That counts for a lot.

  142. @146. AJ – February 16, 2016

    “In the end, as we age, we shed more and more of those around us who cause emotional stress. ‘Toxic’ relationships. Or we try to, anyway…”



    “…Shatner, of course had a diverse career in recent years; he was a TV star with his Denny Crane character. Something Nimoy didn’t have…”

    And, I thought William Shatner did a wonderful job in Boston Legal.
    Crane is a lovable son of a b!tch. Overall, I enjoyed the show!


  143. Nimoy worked a great deal in his final years… Transformers, Land of the Lost, Fringe, plus 2 Treks. Not too shabby. If he didn’t work more, I would suspect it was the COPD or his focus on art.

    I agree, AJ, Nimoy may simply have been conserving limited energy wasted trying to get Shatner to behave like a decent man so h could spend that energy on his family and projects.

    Again, I admire LN and hold his memory with gratitude and respect. Very glad Adam is on board with the project.

  144. Harry, any thoughts on 11-22-63?
    Obviously, yours was better, but this is pretty good.

  145. CmdrR, I read Stephen King’s book the day it came out. It’s a long winded story to finally arrive at November 22, 1963. He then paints it that Oswald did it alone. Absurd premise. Not sure if they’ve changed much for the miniseries. I’ll have to watch it and get back to you, but I don’t get Hulu.

    p.s. Orci is popping up a lot on the first Fuller thread, and he has become as irritating as Keachick.

  146. I went forever without reading King after college — no real reason, or maybe it was the glut of King miniseries on TV. Anyway, picked up ‘Revival’ and found it to be excellent on all levels and very, very creepy. (It’s in development — shock!!) Am reading ‘Mr. Mercedes’ now. Not bad, but not brilliant.

  147. I couldn’t get into the book 11.22.63, surprising, since King is such a talented and facile writer. The series looks interesting, but I don’t get Hulu either. Besides, if it comes down to the same premise, I can’t buy it. I’m still firmly convinced there were other shooters. Not that I’m a total conspiracy nut.

  148. They just announced Blade Runner 2 will star Ryan Gosling.

    What a f*cking big mistake!

    Gosling has zero charisma and is barely passable as an actor!

  149. 127. Harry Ballz – February 11, 2016

    Cygnus, AJ….what do you think of the brand new trailer for S v B?

    I found it typically lame. I find pretty much all comic-book movies lame, and SvB looks par for the course.

    The Dark Knight was my favorite comic book series when I was a kid, so it’s not like I’m not interested in the story. But, the trailer just shows a bunch of boring action and lame-looking CGI. This is my usual complaint about these genre of movies. The balance of action to drama is way off, and excessive action isn’t effective action. As an example, I cite Richard Donner’s “Superman.” That dramatic scene with Zod and his cohorts on trial is fantastic and holds up great. So much more powerful in setting up the stakes of the story than a bunch of boring action and CGI, not to mention more aesthetically pleasing and visually interesting. A good SvB trailer for me would spend plenty of time laying out the source and meaning of the conflict between these two characters. As you pointed out, Superman could easily kill or defeat Batman in any number of ways, so why should we be interested in seeing them fight? We need a reason to be interested, and the trailer doesn’t give you much of one.

  150. It very much looks like the film should be called “Batman, with Special Guest Star, Superman.” All the ‘dark, gritty’ blah-blah that Zak Snyder loves to poop out in all his films seems more apropos to a Batman vehicle.

    Apparently, in the “Justice League” comics, Batman knows how to disable all the superheroes with powers in case the need arises; but still, we know he’ll use Kryptonite to battle Superman. Anything in the trailer suggesting it’s an even fight is taking the viewer for a fool, or an uninformed child, as we all know Superman can kill Batman in seconds with his freeze-breath or heat vision, let alone by punching him or throwing him into the Sun.

    As Cygnus points out, and it’s the same with the latest generation of “Trek” films, if there are no decent characters with depth or drama, the film may very well suck.

    And is this iteration of Clark Kent/Superman even a good rendition of the classic character and his values? Not so far.

  151. @154

    Thanks for sharing, Cygnus!

  152. SvB is B&S.

    At least so far as we can tell from the trailers.

    a) It’s a movie about punching and breaking stuff.
    b) Obviously, they won’t finish the fight, because the villain will cause them to work together. So… surprises? No really expecting any.
    c) cg action is so damn boring. I don’t understand why mass audiences still show up for something that comes out of a laptop.

    It could still be a good movie. But, there have been no real sure signs, so I’ll wait until the reviews (including you guys’) are in.

  153. 155. Harry Ballz – February 21, 2016

    You betcha!

  154. 153 Harry, Several better choices (they are legion) jumped to mind — Fassbender, Cumberbatch, Hiddleston, RJ Downey, Josh Brolin, Clooney, Jake Gyllenhaal & &. My picks would be Clooney, Downey, Gyllenhaal or Fassbender. All are great at playing conflicted characters.

    RATS!!! What a missed opportunity.

    Gosling is very pretty though. I love the “Hey, Girl” meme about reading.

    154 Cygnus, most movie trailers now are impressionistic, giving only hints of the story or characters’ motivations, while giving ample displays of CGI.

    Let’s see. Trailer shows Bruce Wayne holding a child protectively as Metropolis is destroyed. From this we are supposed to infer his concern for the people of Earth.

    Well, Affleck is a pretty good actor, and so is Cavell, so maybe we’ll get ten minutes of character work. SMDH.

  155. 159 – “Well, Affleck is a pretty good actor, and so is Cavell, so maybe we’ll get ten minutes of character work.” The movie clocks in at 2-hours 31-minutes. Guess what will fill 2-hours and 21-minutes of that?

  156. Marja — Call William Shatner. He desperately needs a copy editor/fact checker.

    OK, Mr. Shatner’s book…

    I have read several of Shat’s books on his Trek days, and this is one of them. That is, there’s a lot of him on these pages that are supposed to be about Leonard. I think that’s par for the course. I don’t know that his comparisons always amplify his points about his friend, but they’re an OK read. I also wonder what more there is to mine about the TOS days. Shat does a good job cherry-picking familiar stories and even adds a line or two I, at least, had not read before. Still, it’s pretty familiar, except for a few TOS factoids he mangles. Ha! The portion that is totally focused on Leonard Nimoy makes up no more than 60-percent. (Probably less, but I haven’t gotten to my main problem with the book yet.) I would certainly recommend it to anyone who has not read every other Trek book. For those who have, I would say it’s a re-visit to a well-loved planet.
    My only main negative here is that it’s just so damned sad. It’s fun to recap a great life lived well. It’s not fun finding out that two of your heroes wound up not speaking. Shat addresses that… in four of the last seven pages in his book. There’s not much light shed, either. He profusely praised his friend and offers an open apology, but it still feels like something wonderful that was lost.

    Anyway, it’s a good read, and very… human.

  157. CmdrR, 160, SS,DM?
    Probably the same boring-ass CGI violence we saw in “Man of Steel”?

    161, I think his apology came about three or four years too late. Very sad. I take comfort in knowing Nimoy spent his last few mobile years doing photography, travelling, collecting art, and doing philanthropy.

    I’m also comforted that he and Zachary Quinto became good friends. I imagine he gave Quinto many valuable insights. Pretty sure he convinced the young’un to stop smoking. At least smoking cigarettes. … ;-)

  158. @162 “At least smoking cigarettes”

    Yes, there’s nothing worse than a stoned Vulcan. I can hear it now…….

    “Live long and…….and………..hey, you got any cookies?”

  159. Here’s an update on the Axanar lawsuit – Peters and his representatives seem to be taking multiple tracks, but it all seems to grind down to ‘if you can’t blind them with brilliance, baffle them with bulls**t’.

    Peters ego needs to be taken down a notch, because the prevailing attitude now sure seems to be that if he can’t make his Trek, no Trek will get made. The legal approach does seem to be a head scratcher…

  160. Okay, maybe it’s my ancient computer, but scrolling thought the new and improved comments threads is taking forever.

  161. I like the new threaded post reply system. It’s taking some getting use to but I can deal. I haven’t figured it out yet but I’m almost certain new or unread posts have some different shading or color thing and I need to manage cookies but I’ll get it sorted out.

    I marvel that someone figured out how to do it on this lovable old rust-bucket.



    Oops wait, this is an old-style page, a la “rustbucket”

    163 Harry, “Peeaace and looong liife, dude”

    “Pizza? Maaannnn that sounds eeexxcellent.”

    165 Phil, “the Peters” is a arse. An unmitigated ass.

    166 Phil, I agree. With all the scrolling that we’ll have to do I dread any thread longer than 200 comments and equally dread they will close a thread because it’s reached some maximum.

    But at least replies to a certain post are nested thereunder. And we can vote pists up or down! Heehee

  163. … vote *Posts* up or down. Cripes.

  164. @168 “pists up”

    As in pists up a rope? :>)

  165. Oh Harry, there are Certain Pisters to whom I’d love say just that.

    “Pists” … shorthand for pissants, LOL.

  166. 159. Marja – February 21, 2016

    Cygnus, most movie trailers now are impressionistic, giving only hints of the story or characters’ motivations, while giving ample displays of CGI.

    I’ll tell you what Marja—I’d love to see the movie that this trailer suggested was in store:

  167. Cygnus, Hee! Good ol’ tricksy JJ. He makes cohesive-seeming, exciting trailers!

  168. Now they’re saying there will be a Batman v Superman “R” rated director’s cut released on video following the film’s theatrical run.

    Looks like Deadpool is the new standard for superhero success!

    Batman: “F*** You, a**hole!”

    (punches Superman, who dodges, gingerly stepping aside at super-speed)

    Superman: “F*** YOU, a**hole!”

    (Burns Batman to an ashy cinder in 1 second with his heat vision)

    Something like that could happen…

  169. I’m really surprised by the change in the comment section on the main side. I think it’ll encourage people to participate more with the whole upvote/downvote thing.

  170. 174. AJ – February 25, 2016

    Now that movie I’d like to see.

  171. @172. Except you don’t.

  172. Come now, AJ, seeing Sup’s dispatch the Bat rated R style might be entertaining…like this.

  173. Audience: “Couldn’t we have a little peril?”

  174. 178:

    Phil, that would be wonderful to watch.

    “I’m invincible!” “The Batman always triumphs!”

  175. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire | February 26, 2016 at 1:00 pm | Reply

    Ok. Nick Meyer now with the new Trek Series. This could be really Awesome.

  176. Nick Meyer. Wow…I didn’t see that one coming!

  177. I’d kill for just one ‘rocking decks’ sequence in the new Trek.

  178. @182. AJ – February 27, 2016

    “Nick Meyer. Wow…I didn’t see that one coming!”


    Neither did I…

  179. #182. AJ – February 27, 2016 , & 184. Aurore – February 27, 2016

    Really? It’s weird to me how the collective group mind seems to have total amnesia that Meyer was an Abrams’ family friend and even attended JJ’s Bar Mittzvah. I recall Orci and Kurtzman commenting on meeting him too:

    ”I saw most of the original [STARTREK] series. Actually I watched a lot of them with my kids, and they loved it so much more than I ever thought they would. They were scared to death in parts, and it was so cool to see these episodes through the eyes of an 7 or 8 year old.

    But I want to speak a moment about Nicholas Meyer. He was an amazing director and writer. He was friends with my parents, when I was a kid. And when I was a kid, among the other embarrassing things I would to, and there is a list of stupid things, I would make these dumb comic tapes, like with friends, Greg Rumberg and I would do countless moronic comic tapes. I did remember one night though when Nicholas Meyer was over for dinner. He came into my room and I was probably nine, and he and I made a tape together. It was some stupid interview tape, where he and I were playing characters interviewing each other. And he was just sort of a guy who was willing to be silly and goofy, and I knew that he was a writer. But I didn’t really know much about what he did…

    But that idea that later he would go on to direct a Star Trek movie, and then even later I would is so weird to me, and I’ve never discussed this because, its obviously so painfully boring, but its one of those things… And years later he came to my Bar Mitzvah, and he gave me Unabridged Sherlock Holmes, which I still have, and it’s just bizarre to me, cause I was such a fan of the films he did. And really that was the height of my Star Trek fandom when his films came out, I just loved them. So anyway I felt a bit of a kinship because I knew that guy! It was very surreal for me to finally be in those shoes and saying “Action!”” — JJ Abrams 10/15/09

    ”Kurtzman: We met Nick Meyer when we were doing STAR TREK DVD interviews. We actually passed on a soundstage.

    Orci: And I actually kneeled before him.

    Kurtzman: Bob fell to his knees, and I grabbed his hand. (Laughs) He was so kind and generous. He’s literally the reason that I wanted to make a STAR TREK movie.” — Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman 5/4/09

  180. Hoping Leo’s teeth get the Oscar tonight.
    They act up a storm while Yogi is buggering him.
    The Martian for Best Comedy.
    Tom Hardy for Best Silent Actor for Fury Road.
    The Big Short for Best Documentary being ignored by Americans.
    As usual, I haven’t seen most of the other movies, but neither did The Academy.

  181. @185 Cygnus will likely be suicidal after being reminded of this. A few people are starting to point out that Meyer’s fingerprints were all over The Undiscovered Country, a bit of Trek that has aged badly.

    @186. In a shocking upset, the bear wins best actor for The Revenant…

    Here’s something fun at Voyagers expense. Just where did all those torpedo’s come from, anyway?

  182. In what way has TUC aged badly? It’s my fav, after TWOK.

  183. Gravity Boots.

    Now, that sucked.

  184. Gravity Boots.

    Now, that sucked.

    ??? – Sucked so badly, that we got them again in First Contact. I just don’t get the hate that seems to be building against TUC. It’s a good movie with a good plot, and there are certainly worse Treks. (Looking at you, Insurrection!!)

  185. @188. There are two substantial departures from Trek canon the writers needed to use to get the story to work. First, most of the Enterprise crew, including her captain, are pretty much raging open racists. And, as the movie pans out into broader Federation civilization, it’s pretty prevalent there, too. Trek canon doesn’t ignore racism, but does portray it as isolated…except in TUD.
    Second, for this wide ranging intrigue to work, the Federation has to be pretty corrupt. Starfleet is portrayed as being highly militaristic, and for Starfleet admirals to be openly boasting to being able to clean the Klingon’s clocks, either the Federation has boosted it’s military capacity substantially, or the Klingons are not nearly as fierce as portrayed. Again, both are departures from Trek canon.
    I know there are counterpoints to both of these observations – they just tend to stand out to the casual fan as a departure from Trek lore. To me, this episode almost stands out as an alternate universe tale – either way, it’s a pretty ham fisted morality tale that’s not told well. I don’t hate the movie, it just isn’t a good send off for the crew of TOS.

  186. 191 – Phil — I can see how you might view TUC as out of step with Trek in general. I felt that it was a reminder of just how hard it is to maintain utopia, even for people committed to it. Also, TUC is certainly not the first time Kirk has openly hated on The Klingons. Before TNG’s Worf, Klingons were “the enemy,” plain and simple. ‘Errand of Mercy’ predicted peaceful cooperation and ‘Day of the Dove’ saw Kirk swallowing his distrust to save his ship/crew. Even so, they’re baddies. They’re what the Federation is working against in ideology and in military actions. TUC offers a more introspective view of how fighters must eventually lay down their arms and hatred. The Kirk-Spock ‘dining on ashes’ scene in TUC (OK, with special thanks to a balding Victorian) perfectly illustrates this aspect of Kirk’s character development.

    Or, TUC could suck. Your choice.

  187. But, if any of the pics of Valeris naked in the captain’s chair ever appear, you damned well better email me copies!

  188. Meant ‘balding Elizabethan.’ Can’t wait til we get edit ability in the chat.

  189. The racist retcon of the Enterprise crew in STVI is reminiscent of latent prejudices laid bare in ‘Day of the Dove,’ for sure.

    However, when Kirk calls them “animals” when he finds out their planet is at risk – well, that’s somewhat over the top. Would Spock ever have a Donald Trump-style bigot as a BFF?

    STVI has its head screwed on right, for sure, but all the la-la-la Gene Roddenberry ‘values’ supposedly inherent in 23rd century humanity seem to get the short shrift.

  190. AJ – 195 – We can agree to disagree. In TUC, Kirk is remembering David, which is good continuity. The audience may have forgotten that moment in TSFS, since we got the HA-HA of pregnant whales followed by the jaw-dropping horror of Vulcan fart jokes in TFF. I think, though, that Kirk has motivation. Again, this is not the Kirk of TOS. This is the Kirk of the movie era where there are some losses and regrets. It’s definitely slippage from the utopia that GR retrofit TOS to include. (Um, Gene, aren’t you the guy who had sex slavery right there in the ‘cerebral’ pilot?) The utopia layer of Trek builds only after TOS has had its run. It’s a nice thought, but it’s not always on the page in TOS. Klingons and Romulans and Gorn don’t sing Kumbaya with Federation types. It’s the 1960’s and TV is about f-ing and fighting. Kirk does both. Then, there’s peace in the galaxy (in the mind of fans) and that’s followed by TUC, which is about paying the upkeep for peace. The characters, especially Kirk, let their ideals slip and must pay a price.

    Again, just my two quatloos. Hate the flick if you want. You can always watch STID. **ducks the flying tribble thrown at head**

  191. I won’t argue any more on TUC. Promise.

    I would say that what’s important here that the new TV series will likely toss utopia out the porthole. I think we’re going to get a very dark take on the Trek universe. The ideals may still be there, but I suspect that, in keeping with current entertainment trends, we will see very venal characters doing things that would make TOS Kirk & Spock cringe. At a guess, we’ll be dropped into a war arc, or possibly the aftermath of a war that has left the Federation in tatters.

    We’ll know in 10 months.

  192. If it was just Kirk harboring a healthy dose of bitterness over David’s killing, that would be understandable. It’s just that everywhere you went on ship, there were crewmembers and officers spouting slurs about the Klingons.

    I do agree, though, that for that wide ranging of a conspiracy to exist, something was rotten to the core of the Federation, Klingon and Romulan empires. I don’t hate TUC…not sure I hate any Trek (yeah, even Generations), but it’s not hard to see where STID got it’s moody tone from.

  193. @196 CmdrR “we will see very venal characters”

    So, if convicted, those types would serve their time at the VENAL COLONY on YOU’RE A PRICK?

  194. CmdrR, Phil, The major turnoff for me was when the senior officers were making racial remarks after dinner with the Klingons. Ugh. Senior officers?! Not to mention the ridiculous scene of Uhura “translating” Klingon, fumbling through thick textbooks. As Eric over at Trekcore said, I’m glad the NuVerse has a polyglot Uhura. Only makes sense.

    Kirk’s prejudice, I could understand, after David’s death — if he had displayed it only in private. That he was so up-front about it seemed “conduct unbecoming”. (As did the after-dinner conversation.)

    And the Major Conspiracy in Starfleet, oh, please. A theme done to death. I know it may have been a take on “7 Days in May” but I didn’t think it was very well done, especially considering the mind-rape of Valeris by Spock. Ugh.
    ————- ————- ————-
    OSCARS — well, Hollywood publicly took their drubbing from Cjris Rock, so now they can do the same ahite next year. Just kidding. Hopefully they have learned something from #OscarsSoWhite. Weee shall see.

    -Could NOT believe winner of Best Song. Bleah-phoo!
    -Happy Rylance won for his superb work in “Bridge of Spies.” -He was the center of that movie. Well, besides Hanks ;-)
    -I’m sure deCaprio acted his little heart out, but I had rather he’d won for some other role. Now every Oscar aspirant will be lining up to play hardship roles. Leo won bc of his many fine performances in many fine films, and the AMPAS finally shrugged and said, “’bout time to give this kid an Oscar.”
    — Glad that “Spotlight” won Best Film and Original Screenplay. I’ve seen a very similar film before — “All the President’s Men” — and this was another great film about the grand old days of journalism. And man I loved Mark Ruffalo and Stanley Tucci in it.
    — ————- ————- ————-
    I like and hate the new format on the main page. I HATE SCROLLING THROUGH THE WHOLE THING. And still no edits? Why tf don’t they just use Disqus? I’m disqusted.

  195. Marja, Leo’s character in The Revenant is pretty one-note, as is Mr. Hardy’s.

    I want to like the film, but there’s not much there. All that talk about the director insisting on location shooting is crap. He put the whole film under a blue gloom filter, plus all the amazing nature scenes — bear attack, horsey fall down and go boom, Indian attacks, an avalanche, etc. were nothing but an army of Koreans banging out fake thrills on computers — no better than Transformers. Meh! The revenge plot of The Revenant will probanly be less influential than using cgi to replace actual practical effects, or basically anything at all. No more: Dances With Wolves, Jeremiah Johnson, or The Fugitive. All films will now be emailed in.

    Yes, the Oscar went to Leo for several other, better films.

  196. @201


  197. Eh, Marja, the format will take a little getting used to. It’s a godsend for Cyg, though, he can have his little chats about god knows what with a bit of isolation and others can just leave him alone….

  198. If the 23rd century utopia thing only came out after TOS’s initial run, it was beat to death by TNG, especially in the early going when GR had the reins. “Encounter at Farpoint” spelled it out for morons, and then we had 7 years of conflict-free mostly decent ‘Star Trek” where everyone else was an a**hole, but the Captain and his crew were totally decent folks.

    TUC still ‘works’ in an odd way, and it is classic old school Trek in that Kirk fixes everything in 5 minutes at the end and then makes a terrible speech. Also, coming off of the horrors of STV, we really needed them to go out with more dignity (before Kirk’s was destroyed once again for the purposes of money-grubbing in ‘Generations’). Pretty much anything with David Warner (EXCEPT STV) is worth watching anyway (though his scenes are fine if you cut out the rest of the film).

  199. Phil, I actually don’t like the new format.

    Dozens of people expressing rather predictable opinions isn’t interesting to me. I prefer more in-depth discussions, and the new format limits participation in those. If someone replies in a sub-thread, there’s no way for others to know about it without having to scroll through the entire thread every time. And who wants to do that? With the old format (this one) you could simply go toward the bottom of the thread and pick up reading the new comments posted, and you wouldn’t miss anything. Skipping over comments you weren’t interested in was easy.

    And this business of anonymous people being able to down-vote and up-vote posts without even having to log in or provide an email address is really awful. The whole human element is removed from the process. When people had to express an opinion with words, you could judge that opinion on its merits. You could judge by their language whether they had an agenda and what it was. With anonymous upvoting and downvoting, it might as well be scripts or machines or expressing opinions. It could be low-level corporate employees doing the bidding of their bosses, or PR firms doing it for their clients, and nobody’s the wiser. It’s really shitty and has downgraded the quality of discussion here.

  200. Well, like it or not, Cyg, it’s not going anywhere. I’m actually sympathetic, When I finally had to replace my Blackberry I was able to find a phone with a keyboard because I liked it. Well, that phone is now dying, and I’ve not been able to find a replacement with a keyboard. Not happy about it, but I’ll just have to get with the times.

    I’m getting used to the format, because all the comments aren’t sequential, the general consensus seems to be it is easier to skip the comments you weren’t interested in to begin with. I’m not inclined to disagree with that observation at this point. We are all anonymous here, so I really don’t personally care what is up or down voted.

    Overall, I see more people commenting, which isn’t a bad thing even if they aren’t going to deep – it’s not a crime to be a casual fan. There was a comment thread on the Axanar thread where it was obvious those posting had looked into case law a bit deeper then most – so there is some hope that people are paying attention. As for those who have gotten something out of Trek that’s a little off the beaten path, live and let live. It makes them happy, so drilling in on some inconsequential point may win the argument, but if it diminishes their enjoyment…well, there’s always chat. I can talk about my wife’s Yorkie, gripe about FINRA, or Pearl Harbor (the base, not the movie) and not have to worry about life being to short.


  201. I don’t touch the new format boards. I tried to enter my long-time handle, “AJ” after a comment, and it said it needed more letters, so not really interested anymore.

  202. 206. Phil – March 3, 2016

    Well, your Blackberry example is apropos.

    When I first was forced to buy a smart phone, I wanted to get a Blackberry or some other phone with a keyboard. But when those proved impractical, obsolete or excessively bulky for my needs and preference—I’m not walking around with a 6” x 3” object bulging in my pocket—I went with the smallest, thinnest android phone available. Typing on it is a pain in the ass because my fingers are larger than the keys, so the fallout is that I keep my cell phone text discussions to a minimum.

    As for more people commenting here now, that seems a trade-off of quality for quantity: there are now more people saying less interesting things. And 10 or 20 or 30 variations of the same idea—“I like it and I’m excited!”—just isn’t interesting to me at all. Whether or not it should, the up/down-voting does seem to have greatly limited the scope of opinions expressed—as dmduncan pointed out, it encourages group-think. And group-think isn’t interesting to read.

    Whether or not one feels that the whiners who whined about not wanting to read certain comments—“Wah! I don’t like those comments; make it so I don’t have to see them!”—and by doing so appear to have motivated the format change, had a valid complaint or not, you’re simply not going to see the sort of interesting back-and-forth, arguments with Bob Orci and so forth, that you saw before. And to me, that back-and-forth was the charm of this site. That’s where you saw the humanity come out. That’s where you saw people doing research to support their arguments. That’s where you actually got enlightening information about a host of subjects that you wouldn’t otherwise have gotten. And you got a bunch of petty shit, too. But, that was never hard to scroll right past.

    And now it’s gone. And it’s been replaced by three-dozen varieties of, “I’m excited! Yay!”

  203. Cygnus, Phil, I sympathize on the keyboard thing. Geez I dislike typing on a smartphone. That’s why you’ll see some of my entries have beaucoups mistakes.

    The new format, ironically, was probably installed because of our bitchin about having to scroll backwards 50-100 entries to comment in an interesting conversation. (Just step away for 10-20 hours and an exciting thread could build 100+ comments!) Now, one has to scroll through the WHOLE FRIKKIN THREAD to see if anyone has answered your comment.

    UGH. I REALLY WISH THEY’D SWITCH TO DISQUS. Scrolling, perhaps, but pictures to help you find commenters. Sounds dumb but it helps.

    Discussions on TrekCore, however, don’t seem to last more than a couple of days :-(

    I’m just glad TrekMovie hasn’t goofed around with Chat, and I hope they don’t.

    Cygnus, if you are really determined, I think you can engage in substantive discussions.

    The upvote/downvote satire you did the other night was hilarious.

    And Leonard Nimoy was a great man! :-D

  204. Well, even if my phone wasn’t crapping out, it’s tiny little memory was going to force a change anyway. In the !nsur@nce industry, the ability to take an app over a encrypted device is speeding right along, the compliance folks love it, so anyone with gray hair is going to be dragged along, kicking and screaming…

    I could never really get into how some of the other Trek sites were formatted. I’d just Google search Trek related stuff, and if I found something interesting search out from there. There were Wall Street types pegging CBS to creating more Trek content a few years back, so it really wasn’t a surprise when the announcement was made.

    Not sure I’d agree that there are more ‘gee wiz’ comments on the site then normal, but considering how comments are a bit more compartmentalized, I can understand how that impression could be made. I’ve never been one to up/down vote, it’s basically another tool to gauge site activity. If I don’t feel the urge to comment, I’m not going to vote, either….except in the general election.

    Oops. Wasn’t supposed to say that. :-)

  205. 210 Phil, If you can, please vote in the Primaries too. I know — depending on what party a person is — that some states (like FloriDUH) prohibit Independents from voting in Dem-Rep primaries. If I’m violating site protocol by urging people to vote, I apologize.

  206. As to the upvote/downvote thing, I gave up on it. Seems pointless. Didn’t know they were a measure of site traffic!

  207. I’m registered ‘decline to state’ here in the great state of California, so all I get to do in the primary election is weigh in on mostly pointless ballot initiatives. Still, as a bit of a political junkie this is proving to be an interesting election cycle, for all the wrong reasons, unfortunately.

    Yeah, up/down voting holds little interest for me. Cyg and PS seem to be having some fun goading people along. Sometimes it can be a barometer of sentiment, though. On the Angela Basset thread, simply pointing out there may not be a captains chair fired up ire in a few people – one could infer from that that for all the chatter about going new directions, there is some nostalgia out there for not straying to far from the ‘captain & crew’ format.

  208. Phil, I tried to be a political junkie but every time they talk about that real estate guy with the yooooge mouth or the messiah who looks like Joe McCarthy I just want to be shut my ears. Not to mention our crazy right-wing Flori-duh State Legislature is in session, passing laws like “open carry” (of guns) on college campuses. … I CAN’T TAKE IT ANYMORE


    I’ve been doing a lot of reading lately. But “Dog-Whistle Politics” has upset me too. But there’s not only an anti-minority thing going on. The oligarchy is turning their party even more anti-poor. “Entitlements” is a nasty word when used by some people.

  209. Thanks Marja.

    I’ve been engaging over at TrekCore and it seems a better vibe.

    They still have the up/down voting thing, but it’s not obnoxiously used by people. Having a system whereby the option to be negative and poo-poo somebody’s thoughtful comment is spring-loaded and set up for anonymous people to simply click on is obnoxious, in and of itself. The facebook system is better, where the easy click is to be positive and like the comment. If you want to take issue with a comment, you actually have to use your words to say why. Here now you have a bunch of people who just poo-poo any opinion that is analytical or critical, which really has given rise to more of a group-think atmosphere overnight. For whatever reason, the up/down voting isn’t so obnoxious and stupid at TrekCore. Maybe it’s due to less traffic, maybe a more thoughtful crowd over there, maybe both.

    But, I think it’s the people who complain about not wanting to see conversations about certain topics here that motivated the change. Frankly, I think those people are more obnoxious than people being petty and mean with their words. At least the people that were engaged in the discussions weren’t trying to impose their will on everyone else, for the most part. Now those people who don’t like “ana|ysis” and criticism and “nit-picking” and lengthy discussions have gotten their way. Frankly, I’m not motivated to scroll through the entire thread every time searching for discussions being had, especially when it involves seeing the manifest group-think.

    At least this chat thread is still the old format.

  210. P.S.

    Actually, looking at TrekCore now, I think the reason the up/down voting thing isn’t obnoxious is because it’s not anonymous. There, you need to log in with a Disqus account in order to up/down vote comments. So, I guess people figure if they’re going to take issue with a comment, and everyone is going to know who it is that’s taking issue anyway, might as well do it with words.

  211. The up/down thing is getting positively stupid on the Angela Bassett thread. Sides are being taken. It’s painfully obvious not to mention a boring ego-fest, sidelining the discussion.

    Yeah, I like the Disqus format at TrekCore. I wonder if anyone can keep a discussion going for more than a couple of days over there, though. I bet it could be done. Lookin at you, Cyg ;-).

  212. Yeah, Marja, I may have to concede Cyg’s point – I figured the up/down vote nonsense would fade after a few days, at least on the Angela Basset thread, people are really barking at each other about that.

    Personally, I don’t see why it’s that much of a stretch to imagine a Trek show not built around a ‘captain & crew’ format, but that seems to be where everyone is. Granted, the thread is about Fuller’s comments about Basset as captain – there’s little there actually to tip the audience what direction Kurtzman is going with this.

    Wait and see, wait and see.

  213. Cygnus, Marja, Phil –

    We’ve tweaked the new system so that you have to be logged in in order to vote. Hopefully that’ll help curtail the abuse of it.


  214. 219. Brian Drew – March 6, 2016

    Logged in to what?

    I just tried it and couldn’t up/down vote anything either before or after I posted a comment. Not that I mind—I’d do away with the up/down voting altogether—but I’m wondering what you mean and how it works now.

  215. @ 216. Cygnus-X1,

    “Actually, looking at TrekCore now, I think the reason the up/down voting thing isn’t obnoxious is because it’s not anonymous.”

    A few years ago, it used to be anonymous then they changed it.

    btw, it’s good to see the old comment format is still here.

    @ 220. Cygnus-X1,

    “219. Brian Drew – March 6, 2016

    Logged in to what?”

    Perhaps Zion mainframe!

  216. 220, Cygnus, I don’t know what I’d log into here, if I cared to vote up/down, but since I don’t, I guess the point is moot ;^)

  217. Well, as you brought it up, I’ll give it a try….

  218. Echoing Cyg’s sentiment here – not entirely sure how to log on…not that I plan on voting much, though.

    If it’s an either/or proposition, I’d much rather be able to edit then vote. Just sayin…

  219. 224 Phil I cannot say enough how much I agree!

    Mods, an edit function … pretty please? (Anorher reason I like Disqus)

  220. Appreciate the feedback – we’ll try and make some more adjustments.

  221. I know this has come up before, but here is a nice little talking point on …The Trouble with Transporters.

    Do we dare strike up this conversation with up/down votes?

  222. FYI, and for all who care, Deadpool has now out-earned Man of Steel’s final cume worldwide (and still going!).

    For those who need facts, that 673M vs 668M.

  223. Phil – If you haven’t seen “The Prestige,” you’ve got a great two hours ahead.

    AJ – Yeah, and if I could afford a babysitter, I’d love to add $23 to that total.

    Brian – Abslty, we need an edit fuction.

    Hey, what’s happened to The Walking Dead? The last two episodes had… characters and a plot?? Whuuuuuh?

    George appears to have a serious addiction to attack men with bad hair:

  224. CmdrR, he probably doesn’t know the answer. Now if those numbers were followed by six zeros, he might — but the guy’s gone bankrupt four times. Doesn’t say a lot for his business acumen, but it says loads about the excellent accountants and lawyers he must have surrounded himself with to find every available loophole.

    Phil, as to the up/down votes I say be like Mel Brooks’s King in “History of the World Part 1” — “scrrrew them!”

  225. New Captain America trailer.

    Keep your eyes open for a certain Wallcrawler at the end.

  226. @231

    That’s a good-looking trailer. Seems like they’re trying to redeem themselves for Ultron.

    Thanks for sharing, AJ!

  227. Harry, Marvel’s handed the keys to a new director (or directors – they’re brothers Anthony & Joe Russo) who did Winter Soldier, this one, and are signed on for the next two Avengers flicks.

    I hope it’s good; “Ultron” left a lot to be desired, and director/legend Joss Whedon made his dissatisfaction with the whole process publicly known. Still pulled in $1.5 billion or so.

  228. Ultron just felt like a big meal of empty calories. But then, many Marvel films feel that way. How many times can we watch a city, landmark, or planet destroyed by a vengeance-seeking villain bent on ruling the world? Are there no other types of stories for these guys and gals in plastic jammies? Couldn’t The Avengers fight global warming?

  229. Didn’t see Winter Soldier in theaters, the trailers left to much an impression that it was going to be another superhero slugfest. When I finally caught it on cable, I was surprised that it was a pretty decent movie. So, now, here’s Civil War, which is shaping up to be another superhero slugfest. We know Cap doesn’t die, we know the good guys work things out, so where’s the suspense?

    I’m not feeling it for CW, or BVS at this point. That’s not to say I won’t see them, but I can’t shape the impression that this genre is nearing the end of it’s run.

  230. Yes, it’s pretty sad that I remember a number of compelling storylines from the comics when I was growing up, but Hollywood can’t even get close to what those writers came up with. Not just sad, but down right pathetic.

    I kept beating Orci over the head with facts like these, but for some reason, he didn’t want to hear it.

  231. Harry, I wonder why they don’t just go with thise old stories.

    Phil, I imagine you meant to say “I can’t *shake* the impression that this genre is nearing the end of its run.”
    Producers of the DC Vomics series have TEN more movies planned and a few in the pipeline. It’s been predicted that giant SFX/CGI spectacles would bankrupt the film industry. I stand by it; that won’t stop me seeing a few more though. As long as they stop destroying the Eiffel tower, the Golden gate bridge, the British Parliament, and the Empire state building.

    CmdrR, Yeah! At least Stark Industries should be able to figure it out!

    Joss Whedon … wish he could’ve done Star Trek Beyond. ….

    So Ben Carson has endorsed Trump — proving Carson has actually been asleep this whole time.

  232. OK, I’ve talked up The Expanse before. Now you guys have to see it to watch the new Starfleet High Commander. Seriously, TEx is hard sci-fi done right. (So far, minus the vomit zombies from the first book, but we’ll see how season two shapes up.)

  233. There is a minuscule hope that “Deadpool” signals a slight shift in the aim of comic-movies, or at least it shows that adults may want to enjoy these movies without watered-down least-common-denominator plots and characters.

    Of course, then “Deadpool” becomes the new least common denominator, and we have Black Widow boning Hulk with a strap-on becoming the new normal (actually, it was “Ted” that mainstreamed this kind of stuff for average theatergoers a few years before Deadpool).

  234. Black Widow boning the Hulk?

    I’d pay “real money” to see that!

  235. Is there any way to add Shee-Ra to this scenario?

  236. 241/CmdrR:

    She-Ra is not part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

    I suppose they could sign a deal with Filmation a la Spiderman, and do co-branded things with her and the other Avengers; you can use your imagination until that actually happens.

  237. How about Flo from Progressive?

  238. Flo from Progressive? Gee, CmdrR, you sounds like a guy posting from prison!

  239. sound


  240. Does Flo have any super powers?

  241. She’s managed to keep getting a paycheck. That could be a super power.

  242. Singlehandedly made fire engine red lipstick not something automatically associated with hookers.

    Wham! Pow!

  243. Red lipstick looks fantastic with dark hair and blue eyes. And she’s a working actor! ;-)

    “Where is your husband?”
    ————- ————- ————-
    Harry, I could see her with Dr Banner, but your mind sometimes boggles me :-p
    ————- ————- ————-
    AJ, You have just made me very happy that I’ve skipped both “Ted” movies.

  244. There is a very funny sketch clip with Jimmy Kimmel, Henry Cavill and Ben Affleck spoofing BvS. Can somebody find it and post it here? Thanks!

  245. Thanks, B Kramer! I appreciate the effort!

  246. I hope the BvS movie is worthy of that clip. Very funny…

  247. Welcome Harry.

  248. Kramer, LOL, awesome–“I got Batman and Superman right here”!! And the end is priceless.


    Not that we didn’t see this coming. Since both Spielberg and Ford have more money than they know what to do with, Disney is offering them eternal life plus unlimited rides at Disneyworld.

  250. CmdrR, After Ford’s two accidents last year, I thought he already had eternal life ;-)

    I hope the movie will be better than “Crystal Skull” … feh!

  251. Glad you liked it Marja, LLAP.

  252. 257 – Crystal Skull didn’t put me off nearly as badly as Temple of Dumb. The tone in Temple is so… gory gross blecch!… plus, that awful blonde harpy Indy kept dragging through the jungle. What a pain. Whatever happened to that actress anyway?

  253. #259. CmdrR – March 16, 2016

    Kate Capshaw? She married Stephen.

  254. #259. CmdrR – March 16, 2016

    make that: Steven.

  255. Ninety minutes of Harrison Ford reading a phone book would be an improvement over Crystal Skull


    Well, they both look fabulous in a cape.

  257. Yeah, I was pretty unimpressed by Temple of Doom.

    “Raiders” is just so perfect, like “Back to the Future,” that no sequel can ever do it justice

  258. #264. AJ – March 17, 2016

    Recently re-watched INDIANA JONES AND THE TEMPLE OF DOOM, and I thought “Spielberg sure does seem to have a strange fascination with his paramour’s screams.”

  259. CmdrR, I was annoyed by the eternally screaming girly girl Kate Capshaw, and the gross details (live monkey brains anyone?) in ToD. Compared with capable Marion in Raiders, Capshaw was a drag. I think ToD was even more closely modeled on ”30s movie serials with its boyish fascinations and impatience with silly women.

    CmdrR — B v S: And their voices! So yearning yet masculine.

    Did anybody notice Batman”s like, long underwear in that scene where he looks restrained? Was that Affleck’s “muscles” suit? ;-)

    265 Dis, yep. Lots of discomfiting stuff goes on in Hollywood. …

  260. Just saw “Dead Pool” — quite bracing for a Marvel movie. Even the opening credits were hilarious. Ryan Reynolds was perfectly cast and it was great to see him wisecracking, etc., with Morena Baccarin. Absolutely loved him constantly “breaking the fourth wall”!

  261. Watched the movie “Room”.

    Well done for the premise.

    It’s worth watching for the kid. He carries the whole movie. He was robbed for a Best Supporting Actor nomination at the Academy Awards.

  262. Hmmmm…. Critics are silent 4 days before BvS officially opens. Obviously, Warners is keeping the thing under wraps for as long as possible to maximize pre-sales.

    But perhaps the critics’ voices have been delayed because the movie actually sucks….Hmmmmm….

    They’re already ‘teasing pre-production’ of the first full JLA film, but we Trekkers have heard that with every single Trek film. Means nothing.

    But perhaps it’s a smokescreen meant to make fans think all is well while, in fact, the movie actually sucks….Hmmmmm….

  263. The sad part about these comic-book movies is that some of them have really good concepts that could have been developed into a strong movie that stands the test of time, like Richard Donner’s Superman (one of the script-writers of which was Mario Puzo, writer of “The Godfather”). The Dark Knight was my favorite comic-book series, so I should be the target market for BvS.

    And part of me is curious to see Ben Affleck playing a grizzled, resentful Batman. But the rest of me wants to spare me the disappointment of yet another big, dumb action movie. The CGI in the trailer didn’t even look good.

  264. Batman v Superman is a flawed premise to begin with…it’s such an uneven match-up, it’s laughable. Never should have been given the green light to proceed. Kind of like the plot for Star Trek Into Darkness.

    Aw, DAMN, there I go again……….. :>)

  265. 271 – Ballz, you fool! BvS is NOT kind of like STiD. It’s exactly like Generations: fanboy service without regard to the actual content or the core values of the characters or a good story.

  266. “Ballz, you fool!”

    So, CmdrR, you DO know me, don’t you? :>)

  267. I think I saw as much of B v S as I want to, in the Jimmy Kimmel / Ben Affleck sketch CmdrR posted, above ;-)

    Best part: no CGI!

  268. 274. Marja – March 21, 2016

    I think I saw as much of B v S as I want to, in the Jimmy Kimmel / Ben Affleck sketch CmdrR posted, above ;-) Best part: no CGI!

    That’s pretty funny.

  269. 271. Harry Ballz – March 21, 2016

    Batman v Superman is a flawed premise to begin with…it’s such an uneven match-up, it’s laughable.

    …Unless there’s another angle to it, like homo-erotic aggression. That’ll put asses in the seats, ay? Somebody should do that rom-com trailer.

  270. @276

    It’s funny you say that, Cygnus! Somebody has pasted together a trailer as if it IS a romance between the two men. Not sure where you’d find it.

    I’m sure one of you geniuses can figure it out!

  271. Well, just as we all suspected would happen….

    My Big Fat Greek Wedding 2 is tanking on Rotten Tomatoes (33%).

    That other flick’s reviews should be revealed later today.

  272. AJ, I’m not surprised. The trailer was gawdawful!

  273. 278 – See 263.

    Yes, It’s BrokeBat SuperMountain.

  274. This seems to be the year for sequels made decades after the original. So, what other hit made in 1996 do we want to see more of? Arnold seems to think Terminator 6 will get made…

    Yeah, still not feeling BvS. There is no ‘verses’, so that pulls all the tension out of it, no one dies, oooohhh, Doomday, so we get a little ‘enemy of my enemy’ so all we are left with is two hours of Rockem Sockem Robots. Not saying I won’t see it, but it won’t be this weekend.

    Yeah, Cyg, scroll up for the BvS rom-com trailer. It’s pretty funny.

  275. Excuse me, I just read a review. Two and a half hours. That’s a hellva long time to watch streaking CGI characters duke it out.

  276. If I read the chart for Rotten Tomatoes correctly, so far B v S is trending around 41%.

    That’s not good.

  277. The critics seem to agree on BvS. In a word, it looks: funless.

  278. RT is at 38% now; “bloated” is used a lot. One review says it doesn’t ‘set the rules’ of the DC cinematic universe very well. Takes itself way too seriously. Better than “Man of Steel” and not as good as the “Dark Knight” films.

    I liked MoS better than any of the Batman films, so I will go see it at some point. Will be interesting to see how much cash rolls in.

  279. Chicago tribune calls it “Yawn of Justice.” LOL

    That’s up there with “Star Trek: The Motionless Picture”

  280. @ 286. AJ – March 22, 2016

    “Chicago tribune calls it ‘Yawn of Justice.’ LOL”


    “LOL”, indeed…


    Regarding what you said @ 285, the movie will probably make “tons of” money, anyway…

  281. Well, the reviews are in…….B v S is a piece of dogshit.

    Why do the wrong people get to keep making these movies?

  282. Most critics blame Snyder and the writers… but also love Gal Gadot. So, here’s to hoping her movie will be better… and fun.

  283. Wow, somebody go to Youtube and please post the MovieBob Reviews of BvS.

    It’s 9 minutes 27 seconds long and full of many spoilers. It’s hilarious to listen to, you’d think it was me talking!


  284. Thanks, AJ, I knew I could count on you.

  285. Well, Harry, from what I’ve read it’s suffering from about 40 minutes of no editing, and Jesse Eisenberg. If that equates to dog s**t, it remains to be seen.

  286. Harry, Bob really needs to quit trying to hold it all in. Keeping that anger pent up will lead to ulcers.

  287. C’mon, CmdrR, you gotta admit, it’s a classic rant, no?

  288. I have my tickets for BvS Saturday night.

    I don’t think it will quell my hopes of ever seeing Superman’s “Rebuild the Great Wall of China-Vision” again.

    At least I can get out from under the weight of the reviews and the one apologist friend of mine who saw it and maintains that everything written by 138 of the 199 reviewers aggregated on Rotten Tomatoes is absolutely inaccurate.

    If the thing makes tons of money, you wonder if they’ll still tell Zack Snyder (or whomever) to lighten up a bit. I mean, seeing Jason Momoa play someone called “Aquaman” cannot be taken seriously no matter how hard they try. Once again, though, they are writing that the film needs to break a billion to justify moving forward with the JLA under this director’s tutelage. That’s the million-dollar question.

  289. These giant greed targets studios set create an equally crazed expectation that audiences will react the same (with their wallets) to recycled bits and pieces they’ve seen in other movies. That is, if a long fist fight worked in Avengers, it MUST work in BvS; if ST09 made good money, then putting the exact same Beastie Boys pos song into STB will definitely boost box office sales. Greed leads to paranoia, which leads to “safe bets” which are still bets and therefore not safe at all. People like stories. Give us good stories and we’ll show up.

  290. Here’s a quote of death from the NY Post today:

    “Oh, it’s going to pull in a lot of cash on its opening weekend. That’s not in doubt. But so did 2014’s “The Amazing Spider-Man 2,” and that movie was so reviled, it killed a planned franchise and forced its studio, Sony, to cut a deal to lend the character to rival Marvel Studios.”

    BvS could make money AND suck hard and still cause heads to roll and a major rethinking of what’s gotta happen with the whole slate going forward.

  291. Harry, you and Bob Orci seem to be having a civil discussion in the Book thread. Are you mellowing, Sir Ballz?

    BTW – A very joyous Easter to all. Whether Christian or not, may we all seek peace in these days when hawks are screaming so loudly and God is used as an excuse to kill.

  292. CmdrR, I posted a comment and Orci simply replied to it.

    No, I haven’t changed one bit and Orci is as big a dick as ever.

    Case in point: B v S is proving to be a steaming pile of dogshit. Once again it proves that the morons in Hollywood don’t know what the f*ck they are doing. I am so sick of them f*cking up over and over again.

  293. I do think MovieBob got it right when he said that the cinematography looks suitable for the side of a panel van. Now THAT’s some good snark!

  294. OK, NOW I’m pissed at Zack Snyder. I can’t link the article, but I have read about the killing of one particular character in this horrible movie of his. I can’t link the article because some genius put the character’s name in the addy even though it’s not in the headline. Anyhoo… Point is that somewhere in that massive, bloated, sea of gratuitous punching and killing, a bullet clips a guy in the head. Bam. Dead. And he’s not named in the film. Later, you may be surprised to discover who he was. Just sayin’. Snyder took a character you know, did not identify him by name, but killed him… because… needed one more death, I suppose. It’s the same absolute lack of respect for the material that makes Generations painful to watch. I now officially have NO plans to pay money for BvS and NO plans to see it ever.

  295. Yeah, I have no desire to see the B vs S. And if I do, it’ll be free at the library. Instead of trying to do these origin stories and versus movies, they should’ve did a popular arc to bring in multiple characters at once. Then later if they felt the need to do origin stories, they would have already introduced the characters to audiences previously. Or at least have the character cameo in the arc movies. Kind of like what Disney is doing with Star Wars. They could’ve alternated the arc movies with individual stories.

    DC’s The Blackest Night/ The Brightest Day saga would’ve been perfect for the DC movies.

  296. I just had a blast at Batman v Superman. Ultra-serious, and Lex Luthor is pretty awful, but I really liked it. Ben Affleck does a great Batman, and Henry Cavill takes Superman in the right direction, but it is not a kids’ film at all.

    I can quibble with not only Luthor, but also how the other member of the JLA were shoehorned in (Wonder Woman aside, with whom Gal Gadot does a pretty nice job), and that Metropolis and Gotham City are across the river from one another, and as I sleep on it, I may find more. But as a whole, it is far and away not a disaster from my point of view (and I wanted to hate it). I will see it again on video.

    It is dark and not funny at all, and brings some of our real world to bear in a situation where ‘the’ Superman exists. It also has Batman question his own motivations and change direction in a genuine on-screen arc for the character.

    The FX are great, and the Batcave/mobile/plane are cool. Jeremy Irons is a great Alfred, and Batman does some bad-ass fighting. Superman does loads of heat-vision stuff, and when they briefly fight, it works.

    And for all its length, you can see they made more of it, and had to cut. It is not a fun romp with a happy ending, but a more mature take on things; maybe ‘what happens when Superman and his world show up in a Batman movie.”

  297. AJ, thanks for the review. I trust your judgement and will try to watch the movie with an open mind.

  298. @ 304. AJ – March 26, 2016

    Thanks for the review, AJ.

  299. AJ, so you’re saying no fun is cool? But, not cool for kids.

    OK, that limits my chances to see it. I have EnsR in tow most of the time. But, I’ll reconsider.

    Did the guy getting shot in the head register during the film?

  300. CmdrR:

    Who is the dude who got shot in the head?

  301. OK, found one without the spoiler in the link’s title:

    spoiler inside:

    I just get the same empty feeling that the deaths of Robert and Rene provided in Generations. WHY???

  302. Sheeyat, CmdrR. No mention of the guy’s name at all.

    And, even if there had been, it’s still not the right place for the character. He belongs where he has always been (as Bryan Singer knows, with his tribute to the George Reeves version of the character in Superman Returns).

    But, it doesn’t really make or break the film.

  303. I saw BvS, too. And I would not see it again.

    There aren’t any cringe-inducing moments in the movie, which actually came as a disappointment to me. After reading all of the bad reviews, I was hoping for a so bad it’s good effect to the movie. But, no. There’s no single element of the movie that you can zero-in on as being “bad.” The descriptors that stand out as most apropos now that I’ve seen the movie are “disjointed” and “Yawn of Justice.” My god, does this movie drag. I was ready to leave about an hour before the movie ended. I kept shifting around in my chair hoping it would wrap up soon. But, the movie just trudges on, blow after blow.

    I do agree that there was too much stuff crammed into this movie. A more positive spin would be that BvS was an overambitious endeavor. Snyder’s reach as a filmmaker exceeded his grasp. Ultimately, Snyder does not seem to have been clear on exactly what story he wanted to tell. The action and the plot all revolve around Batman being angry with Superman. But, very little time is actually spent showing (as opposed to telling) why that is the case, i.e. Batman’s rationale. The reason given, at the beginning of the movie, for Batman’s grudge against Superman is pretty flimsy and stupid. Without spoiling it, it’s similar to Nero’s reason for holding a grudge against Spock Prime in ST09. Not a strong reason to serve as the premise and thematic through-line of a story.

    I agree that Lex was lame. Far too much was made of Wonder Woman in reviews that I read. She does not “steal the show” by any stretch of the imagination. Unless seeing a scantily-clad hot chick with her legs occasionally spread open (by accident, on purpose) steals the show for you. Fair enough, I suppose, if it does. Holly Hunter is unrecognizable in her new, lifted face, save for her distinctive voice. Affleck is OK as Batman later in the film, when he’s angry. But, his weak acting and poor facial expressiveness took me out of the movie at the beginning. Cavil is fine as Superman. No complaints there. The stand-out performance for me was Laurence Fishburne, who brought a lot of character to this movie with a relatively small role. There was no need for Kevin Costner to be in this movie. Cutting his role would have shortened the length, narrowed the focus, and lost nothing in terms of character development, theme or story.

    On a positive note, BvS did not insult my intelligence like Marvel movies do. I really have grown to hate Marvel movies. Marvel movies offend me with their stupidity and how they pander to the lowest common denominator in the audience. BvS doesn’t pander and it’s not stupid. It’s just poorly organized as a piece and suffers for want of a better story editor during the writing stage.

  304. BvS hauled in $424m worldwide over the extended launch weekend, so success for the franchise looks to be within reach.

    That’s a serious boatload of cash.

  305. 312 – And that boat will carry at least two JL movies.

  306. OK, just finished the penultimate episodes of both The Walking Dead and 11-22-63.

    WD: 3 really good episodes all season. 3. The rest: fake-outs (Glen’s NOT dead!!!!! — oh, sorry. Spoilers!) and filler.

    11-22-63 — Mostly filler. There are some good moments, but there’s no tension and no possibility of tension. Only two things can happen in the conclusion: JFK dies (either because James Franco fails or because he must choose between his blonde and the president)… Or James Franco saves JFK. Either way, why should I care? Also, why are they including scenes without James Franco? If he’s affecting the past, shouldn’t the entire thing be what he sees?

    Meanwhile, The Americans is off to a great start… again. Truly, one helluva well-planned, well-executed series. Likewise Better Call Saul. THIS is how you tell stories!!!!!

  307. Or… JFK lives, the futures turns to crap, Franco hits the reset button. Same old same old. I’d still recommend watching Dr. Samuel Becket play this game… or watching Kirk Douglas almost stop Pearl Harbor.

  308. I’m enjoying Better Call Saul.

    And The Expanse.

    Haven’t seen The Americans. I’ll check it out.

  309. I went into Batman V Superman really wanting to hate it and expecting the film to truly be an unmitigated disaster in every regard because of all the rumors and abysmal marketing. I loved it! Absolutely loved it! It is one of the very best comic book superhero movies ever and definitely my second favorite of all time behind the legendary Christopher Reeve Superman film. There are just layers upon layers to Batman V Superman that are incredible and I can only hope and dream that Star Trek will step up it’s game to deliver that kind of depth again with the new show and future movies.

    If you’ve seen the movie or don’t mind spoilers I highly recommend going to documentary filmmaker Brett Culp’s youtube channel and pulling up the video where he brilliantly reviews the film and becomes very emotional doing so. Culp really lays out what a lot of people missed about the journey the two titular characters take.

    Everything in Man of Steel and Dawn of Justice is about the eventual triumph they are headed for and reach.


    Better you should read it here than hear about it on the school yard. It’s not all the sordid actually… Shat’s no Cosby.

  311. Funny story….over the years I’ve a met a guy through friends who hints that he is Shatner’s son. His parents knew Shatner at the time and he thinks his mother may have fooled around with Shatner. I’ve got to admit, the guy bears a pretty fair resemblance to Shatner. Not only in appearance, but in his verbal and physical mannerisms. The guy doesn’t want to go public with it, but has intimated his thoughts to friends. Probably respects his parents too much to do anything about it.

    I’m not kidding, this guy is for real. And you know what? It pretty much rings true to me.

  312. Jeez, does Shatner even have $170 million?

    Sounds like he’s had a few blonde lab technicians pushed his way….

  313. Again, this seems like two consenting adults, so… “c’est la vie.” <== mispronounced in true Shat style.

  314. Matt Damon and Kristen Wiig are filming a movie in Toronto this summer. They’ll be spending about a month filming in Leaside (my neighbourhood). I’ll be reporting here if I see anything.

  315. It was originally going to be Damon with Reese Witherspoon, but she dropped out. Thank the sweet baby Jesus!

  316. I like Kristen Wiig a lot better than Reese Witherspoon, too.

    Although I recently read the transcript of Howard Stern’s interview with John Goodman wherein the actor mentions that he was at some Hollywood party and walked up to Kristen Wiig excitedly to tell her he’s a fan of her work. As she happened to be in mid-conversation with someone else at the time, she sort of rudely told him, “I’m talking to someone,” and continued her conversation. This little story was part of Goodman’s greater narrative about how he doesn’t fit in with other actors that the works with and never socializes with them after work, though he’d like to.

  317. Damn it, every time I turn around I find myself defending some point Donald Trump made. Damn damn damn……Shatner should fight this, it’s strange that he’s refusing a paternity test. Unless, of course there’s a chance that Peter Shatner is his. 50MM for pain and suffering, though? Considering that Bill seems to have a well earned reputation for being a pain in the ass, I don’t see a jury awarding him more then three bucks for that….

  318. I couldn’t even get my dad to pay for college. Sheesh, Hollywood really is another planet.

  319. #326. CmdrR – March 30, 2016

    As a couple of my brothers had to learn the hard way: a unguarded moment can turn into an 18 to 22 year child support obligation.

  320. Two hours of pleasure can lead to a lifetime of pain!

  321. 327 & 328 — I hope there’s another option besides $170M. That’s just cold. Maybe a judge could order Shat to take this guy to the circus, explain the birds and bees, and drive him to swim practice three days a week.

  322. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire | March 30, 2016 at 9:05 pm | Reply

    #328. Harry. Are you trying to tell us something. Lol.

  323. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire | March 30, 2016 at 9:07 pm | Reply

    Hey CmdrR A Judge could have the Shat put on a Darth Vador hat and have him say ten time’s. I am your Father. Then do a deep Breath in and out. Lol

  324. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire | March 30, 2016 at 9:11 pm | Reply

    Hey CmdrR. I loved Kirk Douglas and Martin Sheen in The Final Countdown. Except for the Temperal Storm there was no CGI used. Loved Quentin Leap. The best Time Travel show ever on T.V Scott Backula has had one hell of a Career.

  325. Harry: “Two hours of pleasure”?

    Guys can do their part in the baby-manufacturing process in 5 minutes ;-)

  326. Well, what can I say, I like to make sure that everyone enjoys themselves in the process.


  327. Back to BvS, here’s an interesting, if not predictable, take on all the bad BvS reviews.

    Essentially, movie critics are taking out their dissatisfaction with the genre’s existence and longevity on the film itself, which, as such an icon of superhero excess (look at the title), encapsulates what has gone wrong with film in general.

    However, the BO numbers ($500m and counting so far) say the genre fans are the ones it was made for, and they are a multitude, and are showing up in droves for it.

  328. AJ, I’m still staying home in drove.

  329. Shatner is being sued for 170 million. A man named Peter Sloan is claiming that Shatner is his father. He’s even calling himself Peter Shatner. He’s in Florida. He’s got a website. According to CNN, he’s been trying to reach out and get a paternity test since the 1980s. He met Bill on his TJ Booker show, where allegedly Shatner told Peter (who was given up for adoption) that he was indeed his father. When Peter tried to follow up with a phone call, Bill was agitated and hung up. Since then he’s claimed he’s been attacked by Shatners’s legal team and attempts to get DNA tests were “rebuffed” by them. He wants a paternity test and a jury trial. Wow.

  330. Shatner sent a tweet today, seemingly in response to the claims:

    “My children are my life. I have three kids in total: Leslie, Lisabeth & Melanie. They are my reason to get up.”

  331. I would think the Shat will have to submit to a paternity test at some point, so if that guy is his kid, he might as well ‘fess up now. Even if the Shat died, that guy could still prove DNA through his daughters and get money from the estate.

  332. If Shatner is the dad, the kid will get closer to $170 than $170 million, for sure.

    I mean, David Marcus didn’t sue (though he was conveniently killed…maybe TOO conveniently? Kirk destroyed all the evidence).

  333. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire | April 1, 2016 at 5:09 am | Reply

    You know. I wonder how many Kids James Kirk had. I mean. How many woman was he with. A lot through out the Galaxy. Lol.

  334. #340. AJ – April 1, 2016

    Destruction of the evidence would have been immaterial as the precedent set in the episode, COURT-MARTIAL, would allow the many ear witness testimonies that Kirk said David was his son.

    Also, at this time in the United States, unpaid back child-support debt is not erased by the death of the child. And the government agency in my state that manages those payments doesn’t wait for DNA tests to start garnishing wages, i.e. they’ll start solely on the mother’s ID and it’s up to those that may be wrongfully accused to pay for their own lawyer to stay the action.

  335. #341. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire – April 1, 2016

    Well, I suppose not using an STD barrier which would also serve a contraceptive purpose, IS one way to boldy go.

  336. Phil (Phatner) | April 1, 2016 at 8:34 am | Reply

    About the only way Peter hits the Shatner DNA Lottery is if he manages to coattail off the famous last name. They’ll settle, and as AJ mentioned, after legal fees, the guy ends up with $170.00

    Now, if you proof isn’t an issue, and it turns out Bill does love his fans…one at a time….I could be Phil Shatner (Phatner??) for a while…

  337. @343

    I take that to be a CONDOM NATION.

    (runs and hides)

  338. If he settles then he’s practically admitting he’s the guy’s father. Just get the DNA test and be over with it. If not, well then, Peter may get his wish after all (trial).

  339. #346. LizardGirl – April 1, 2016

    Exactly, and while he may not be directly on the hook to the kid why set himself up for owing decades of back childsupport to the mother if the DNA might clear? And if it doesn’t clear him, there’s no need for Shatner to be a ….err…..well, I’m sure Harry will POINT out that Bill already was one about it?

  340. He was put up for adoption, so I don’t think child support is going to be an issue – even if it was, it would be his mother who’s entitled to it, not Mr. Slone/Shatner.

    I see a celebrity edition of the Maury Povich Show here. William Shatner, the DNA tests show you are/are not the father!! The audience goes wild….

  341. # 348. Phil – April 1, 2016

    ” I see a celebrity edition of the Maury Povich Show here.” — Phil

    And Maury pays more than $170!

  342. Wow, I just typed in the name “Peter Shatner” and “photos” and a bunch popped up. There is one of him as a young man where he looks like the Shat as a young guy. Spooky!

  343. There is some chatter floating around out there that in SW:TFA behind the scenes video that Karl Urban and Simon Pegg got to climb into the cockpit of the Millennium Falcon. Man, I hope someone got a picture of that…..

  344. 335. AJ – March 31, 2016

    Essentially, movie critics are taking out their dissatisfaction with the genre’s existence and longevity on the film itself,

    I saw it with three friends and we all pretty much agreed that the reviews had been accurate. Two of us liked the movie despite its flaws, and two of us didn’t. But, we didn’t argue about whether it was too long, too stuffed with stuff (overambitious), too boring or too disjointed. We all agreed that it was.

    As for the box office receipts, part of the reason that we saw BvS is that there wasn’t anything else playing that we found compelling. I’ve found lack of competition to be the case with many of the high-grossing movies. The first Toby Maguire Spiderman comes to mind. That movie does not, by any reasonable measure, deserve to be considered along side the likes of Star Wars. And yet it is because of its high box-office during a period of low competition. The day that studios start making good action movies again is the day that these comic-book movies stop doing so well. But, Hollywood operates on the principle of inertia. If people are paying to see it, then Hollywood will make it. And if that’s all that Hollywood is making, then people will pay to see it rather than nothing. People want to go to the movies on the weekend—regardless of what’s playing, the demand for a theater experience is there.

  345. I mean, of course there are comic-book fans that specifically want to see superhero movies. But, the general movie-going public does not fall into that category. If it’s a big-budget, special-FX-filled action movie, the general public is in.

    Which reminds me of another criticism of BvS that my friends and I all agreed on: there was no need for it to be in 3D. The 3D was so underutilized that it left us all wondering why Snyder had made it in 3D.

  346. One day in 1982…

    Shat: So, you claim to be my love child. Well, I’m not going to acknowledge that, but I have a new movie out. How about we go see it?

    Peter Sloan: Sure!

    Watching TWOK, as Kirk hugs David…

    Shat: **awkward**

    Sloan: I have a tennis sweater just like that one.

    Shat: My lawyer will do my talking for me.

  347. I’m sure the Shat was with a lot of women over the years.

    Is it really any surprise that a few of his “swimmers” got through once in a while?

    What would he owe this guy? Maybe a million? Pfft! Chickenfeed!

    Even though that would set a precedent, with maybe another half dozen little bastards stepping forward, the Shat can afford it! :>)

  348. Cygnus:

    To your point, it goes both ways: People will flock to a BvS because nothing else new and interesting is in the theaters, and the studios will also make sure not to put up blockbusters in direct competition for opening weekend box-office. BvS had its weekend (actually 2, with the current one, where it’s reported to be down 71% over last weekend), and it will be replaced by Jungle Book or whatever else is on for what is now the pre-Memorial Day summer blockbuster period.

    On another note, I am more worried now than ever about ST: Beyond, as there is once again no ‘buzz’ for it after a bad trailer came and went. We are three months out. BvS, Star Wars, and even Deadpool have been on multi-year PR rampages, and ‘Trek’ seems like a small blip in comparison. ‘Axanar’ has had more free coverage on the Web due to its court case than “Beyond” has, and it’s obvious they are once again using ‘secrecy’ as an excuse to mask a tiny marketing budget.

  349. “…it’s obvious they are once again using ‘secrecy’ as an excuse to mask a tiny marketing budget.”

    Why does this keep happening? I know Trek has yet to have a billion-dollar movie. But, it’s made billions. Isn’t that worth a full effort? Also, one way or the other, the movie will reflect on the series… and launching a ppv based on one series is a crazy stupid idea if all you’re going to do is ignore that series and its franchise.

    The studio really needs to put me in charge. I literally cannot lose more money than the current team.


    For what it’s worth, here’s another pic. Looks like Kirk in an escape pod.

  351. @ Harry
    Shat’s off the legal hook on this one – junior was legally adopted, so even if Shat was the sperm donor, he doesn’t owe him a dime.

    Got to admit though, the 50MM for pain and suffering is still a mystery. I’d be pretty thankful if adopted parents had spared me an existence with a narcissist…

  352. Long time no…whataever this is, fellas…

  353. Mr. Google mentions a “daniel shatter’ When Shat’s own Tweet mentions only his three daughters.’


  354. Damned Typonians. Daniel SHATNER Ugh.

  355. I sort of get maybe an adopted person’s wishing to know his biological, but the addition of monetary demands into the mix baffles me, too. Wonder what his impetus is to now, of all times, to demand Shatner’s recognition of his parentage…

  356. 357. AJ – April 2, 2016

    Good point.

    Regarding STB, the lack of promotion might be related to Paramount’s serious money problems. Viacom is reportedly offering to sell a large percentage of its stake in the under-performing studio.

    As for the movie, the lack of promotion is related to it in either of three ways: (1) the studio doesn’t have much confidence in the movie, and hence is not throwing good money after bad in promoting it; (2) the lack of advance promotion at this point is not related to the movie, but rather to Paramount’s general money problems; (3) Paramount is planning to promote the movie closer to its release date, and is keeping it under wraps at this point for strategic reasons.

  357. @362 ‘Beach

    Yo. ‘Beach, my man! What been happenin’, bro?

  358. Cygnus: Money problems with “Transformers” as its cash cow? Also, I think TMNT is theirs. GI Joe?

    It’s all sh*t, isn’t it? Certainly doesn’t justify paying high salaries when everything they produce is junk written by committee. They killed a new Jack Ryan series because it was crap, and God knows what else.

    It seems that Justin Lin has a good idea of what sort of property Trek is, and with SImon Pegg writing, it does seem like a long-shot that this film will be worth our time. But, it takes money to make money, as they say, and perception is reality (as they also say), so PR and building anticipation is all part and parcel of building anticipation, especially amongst the non-initiated punters out for a decent night at the movies.

    Hey, ‘Beach!

  359. AJ
    Excellent point. They marketed the shat outta Force Awakens and it did a gazillion at the box office. Troubling how little they’re doing for STB. That is if one translates into the other.

  360. #369. ‘Beach – April 3, 2016

    The problem could be that in order to win in the marketing game, one ha to be able to bet BIG but Paramount’s got no bank. We’ll know if this indeed is the case if Trek’s marketing magically kicks into high gear once Dauman sells a piece of it off.

  361. I was under the impression that Skydance was also involved in acquiring financing for the Trek films.

    I mean, with Bad Robot and Justin Lin running the show, just how broke can Paramount be? I would have newfound respect for them if they put out a superior product and shorted the marketing to please the beancounters, but once I saw STV, my faith in ‘Star Trek’ maintaining its own high standard went out the window.

  362. Paramount has had the lowest market share of the big 6 movie studios since 2012. Maybe it’s the tentpole business model, that Lucas and Spielberg warned of years ago, that’s at least partly to blame. I haven’t looked at all of their market caps, but I recall Paramount being one of the smaller studios, if not the smallest. Warner Bros., for example, has other businesses that contribute to its cash on hand—Time Warner Cable, being chief among them—and has a market cap of about $70 B. Paramount by contrast has a market cap of about $3.5 B. When your business model is based on high-investment/high-return projects, you’re at greater risk being small and having fewer eggs to put in your baskets, like Paramount.

  363. 354 CmdrR, LOL!

    356 Harry, So that’s why Shat never stops working …!

    358 CmdrR, We’d better see some lobby stand-up displays soon or I am going to be PISSED.


    Disney was marketing “The Finest Hour” 4 months in advance. Disney’s got bongo bucks.

    Disney had “The Force Awakens” movie previews about 2 months out — but it seems like there was plenty of other marketing before that.

    WTF, Paramount?

  364. WTF, Paramount?

    The studio suits are Klingons (TOS period, not TNG, of course!)

  365. Cygnus: The generic product is a tentpole film, which requires $150-$200M for production, and $50 to $100M for marketing/PR. A gross revenue number of $X million (I forget the formula) is needed for break-even.

    Tentpoles are not rocket science, and unless Paramount (or whoever—New Line was broke when they made LOTR) has some secret success formula fior doing things on the cheap (they don’t), they will lose unless they stick to those cookie-cutter corporate budgets and spend on those typical items which grab new customers for a franchise.

    Trek has always suffered from lack of historical exposure in international markets, which are now more important than N. America to hit those big box office numbers. Hence, Benedict Cumberbatch’s appearance in STID. If there is no further investment, no one will give a crap, and as they do here in Russia, the punters will think it’s just a Star Wars knockoff.

  366. The figure that I’ve seen mentioned repeatedly is that a movie has to make roughly twice its budget in order to break even, due to the cost of advertising & promotion, which you mentioned. But, there are a lot of variables. Domestic grosses yield a much higher percentage to the studios than foreign grosses. Advertising budgets also vary. STID, for example, cost so much to advertise, and lost money over ST09 in its domestic gross, that even though its foreign plus domestic grosses were about $440 M, it was said not to have started turning a profit until its blue-ray sales.

  367. Star Trek ’09 made $385m (production budget $150M) and STID made $467M (production budget $190M). I don’t know what Box Office Mojo includes into its budget numbers, but $40M extra for the latter film is quite a jump.

    If the promotional budget was also higher than that for ST09 (and it was, internationally, for sure), I can see where that put the film into the red. Idris Elba wearing a latex mask is NOT the same draw as scowling Benedict Cumberbatch in a long black coat, so I am guessing the international push will be more limited this time around. With this as the third film in a 3-film deal for the actors, this one will probably make a big impact on what happens next with our franchise cinematically.

  368. Add to all of that the need to make MOST of the money on opening night. Sure, it’s measured over the opening weekend, and the next few weekends… but if opening night is not huge, studios begin shutting down the pipeline to future projects.

    Truthfully, I would love some smaller stories, anyway. Maybe one or two space battles (a la TWOK) and a lot more humor, character moments, and just plain good story telling!!

  369. #377. AJ – April 4, 2016

    Star Trek Films With Biggest Box Office Bang:

  370. Ackbar.

  371. R I P Admiral Ackbar.
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    @378 CmdrR, I’d like smaller stories too, better character writing, and so on … but would the mere fact that the Enterprise and its surrounds require a budget for CGI mess up Paramount’s calculations?

    Umm, halfway thru typing that I realized they do SFX in fan films ;-p

    SO WHAT IS PARAMOUNT’S PROBLEM? Are they unwilling to reposition Trek as a more thoughtful franchise after they erred and tried to give it the ol’ tentpole?

  372. “halfway thru typing that I realized…” I hit this problem all the time. But, by then it’s already typed. Nothing can be done.

    Frankly, I just can’t think of any more excuses. Hollywood has a mindset like every other business. Money is the only thing. It prevents studios from trying things, such as mixing a franchise’s releases so that some are big splosion-filled messes and others are quiet character-driving stories. It works in a TV series and should work on the big screen. But, Hollywood won’t try it, because it would mean small movies with small jackpots.

  373. OK, on to TV.

    The Walking Dead. Yes, the finale sucked. If you haven’t been online since Sunday, then someone has come to your door to tell you that. Beyond that, the problem remains the same: There’s no plot to this thing. There is still no end game in sight. It’s filled with filler and lazy, repetitive writing, and also cheap stunts. So, you want to introduce a new super villain in the last ep of the season. Great, make it a 90-minute ep. And in so doing, make that ep drag like hell. FOUR blocked roads. A pointless Carl scene. Several pointless Carol/Morgan scenes. And the world’s longest, ramblingest, dullest villain speech on TV ever. I clocked Negan’s introductory speech at 13 minutes!!! Rick’s people were begging him to use Lucille and not bore them to death.

    11-22-63 — No spoilers. The finale is not as bad as I had feared. Plotwise, there’s nothing there. But, there’s nothing there in the entire story. It’s a great big fake out. But, the execution was well done. James Franco is a very limited actor who’s getting too old to be the hunky young man. Daniel Webber is very good as a creepy… urm, even creepier… Lee Harvey Oswald. The rest of the cast ranges from adequate to pretty good. But, there’s not much for much of them to do besides scream: “Kennedy’s gonna be shot!” Bottom line, it’s an enjoyable three hours, stretches over eight hours.

    Best bets:
    Better Call Saul
    The Americans (excellent!!!)
    The Expanse (excellent!!!)

  374. Awaiting the great “Game of Thrones”

  375. So, Star Wars: Rogue One now has a trailer. The movie is set for December. The trailer’s main job — imho — is to tell you that this is a side story set at the time of Ep IV, with all the ATAT’s, Death Star 1, and Rebels v Stormtrooper paraphernalia you love. Good job, little trailer.

    Where the f*** is the promotion for STB?

  376. Oh wait, there is a new Trek trailer:

  377. @387

    CmdrR, that cheesy trailer entertained me more than all of Star Trek Into Darkness.

    Yes, STID was THAT bad!

  378. Wow, CmdrR, that Rogue One trailer looks boss!

    Actually, imo, Rogue One looks more interesting than the SW movie that just came out.

    I had someone explain to me the timeline because while it looks awesome, I wasn’t sure when it took place. This story apparently takes place before(?) A New Hope, which is the very first SW movie.

    Disney’s going to have to make sure that people aren’t confused about the timelines. Other than that, they’re doing well. While I didn’t particularly love The Force Awakens, many people did so still a plus for them.

  379. In typical Hollywood-think, Rogue One takes place just before A New Hope (it’s how the rebels got the plans that show the hole over the exhaust that the Empire felt should be covered, but didn’t want to cover with plywood because that would lower property values). BUT, no one is allowed to use the word ‘prequel’ any more. HA! If it has half a story, the ATAT’s and vintage Death Star will do the rest. It’ll be interesting to see how they do or do not get Darth Vader into the story.

  380. 389 LizardGirl

    Disney should just indicate at the beginning of the film that “This films takes place before “A New Hope” (aka “Star Wars”). If they want to get all nerd-centric, they can say “X years after the events in Episode III, Revenge of the Sith” which would validate that film’s pathetic existence in the new Disney Empire and make many audience members lose their lunch while nodding their heads in utter subjugation.

    And the trailer does rock, except for that endless alert signal

  381. A Star Wars Story…..Somewhere Else in a Galaxy Far, Far Away….

  382. Kirk (in Janice Lester’s body): I can’t believe you want me to… you.

    Lester (in Kirk’s body): It must have been your life’s ambition.

    Kirk: OK, you got me there. At least I won’t have to go to the chiropracter this time.

  383. @394

    And then, in the heat of the moment, one of them yells, “go f*ck yourself!”.

    Calamity ensues…..

  384. Well, at least it’s getting a plus in #$@in’ Dubai!

  385. Did anyone else catch the Icabob Crane reference to THE CITY ON THE EDGE OF FOREVER in last Friday’s SLEEPY HOLLOW ON FOX?

  386. Just watched the new trailer for Marvel’s Doctor Strange. It looks great!

    Maybe someone could post it here? It’s 2.02 long.

  387. Harry, one day you will learn how to cut and paste…

  388. AJ, as in cut people up and paste them to the wall? Thanks for the link! :>)

  389. 399 – I loves me some good Tilda Swinton, really, but couldn’t they find ANY Asian actress to play non-descript Asian chick? The trailer kinda looks like a cross between Batman Begins and Inception. I also have concerns about Bene Gesserit Cumberbun. He’s a decent actor, but has trouble finding scripts that make sense. As for Doctor Strange, it’s not on my a-list of childhood loves. I’ll wait to hear what people think before getting too excited.

  390. Wasn’t feeling it, either. Dr. Strange is digging deep into the Marvel lineup, so far they have had a decent run introducing some of their ‘B’ listers. All I saw in this trailer was a knockoff hybrid of ‘The Matrix’ and ‘Batman Begins’. If they are going to have a winner on their hands hopefully they’ve figured a way to get the audience to connect with the character. And in a hurry – I’ve no interest in watching the good doctor get taught….

  391. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire | April 13, 2016 at 2:02 pm | Reply

    Wow. Great news about the series being set in the prime timeline and after the undiscovered country. I like where this is going.

  392. @404. It also looks like marketing for STB is also about to kick into high gear. Is should hopefully be a good run for Trek in the near future.

  393. Trailers seem to be dropping everywhere. If you are a retro Godzilla fan, GODZILLA RESURGENCE just dropped a new one. Trailer, that is. How about that, also an end of July release…

  394. @Kayla Yakov Smirnoff
    @Brian Drew a pretty picture
    @Matt Wright the ship
    Et al

    You should see this:

  395. Kirk Cameron?

  396. Phil — Either the audio is missing a channel or there’s a heck of a lot of lip flap in that trailer. I guess the dialogue consists of “Crap! Godzilla’s here!” — urm, I mean “Hai! Gojira! ゴジラをファック!”

  397. Iron Man was a b-level Marvel superhero as well,but with a great backstory. Dr. Strange’s story is similar: A rich dickwad who has a come-to-Jesus moment where he a) realizes he has been acting his whole life like a rich dickwad, and b) now has a chance to make a difference in the lives of others by wearing garish clothing and being less dickish.

    Iron Man was also brought to life by a talented actor whose best scenes are when he acts out of costume (i.e. when it’s really him and not voiceover over CGI). Cumberwhatshisname can also do this, and we’ll have to wait and see if he can own the role the way Robert Downey Jr. has done. Disney keeps hitting homers, so he will probably do a great job.

    BvS looks like it will park itself somewhere around $800m. I bet they wish they had done Deadpool: $56m budget and $750m box office. Deadpool is a grade ‘Z’ Marvel character and Batman v Superman was Warners shooting its load too early. Now they will introduce their grade C & D heroes in search of payback, and we’ll see how that goes. Two words: “Green” and “Lantern”

  398. DC is f*cking it up so far.

  399. @335. AJ – March 31, 2016
    The general audiences of today are not comic book experts but they are the comic book generation, Batman V Superman was definitely made with them in mind and not just the movie itself. Warner Bros is making a fortune off of the merchandising alone.

    @410. AJ – April 13, 2016
    Deadpool’s an interesting comparison, I remember seeing people predict it was going to bomb at the box office and realizing they had no idea how popular that character is. That’s the same thought I have for what’s upcoming for Warner Bros. next few DC films: Suicide Squad, 2 Justice League films, and Wonder Woman are hardly the C & D list. Suicide Squad may surprise everyone the most because for at least 10 years DC Comics has put a major emphasis on their villains resulting in many of them becoming as popular as their main heroes.

  400. Wonder what Trump would look like if he EVER realized what a dickwad he is and decided to spend his billions on crime-fighting.

    I guess he’d be Agent Orange.

    btw – when I run 409 through the translator, it’s much funnier than what I put in the first time.

  401. Well, those clips of Spiner impersonating Patrick Stewart are the funniest thing that I’ve seen/heard in months. I’m surprised at the underwhelmed response.

    Not only Spiner’s uncanny vocal impersonation, but the story he tells about Patrick not liking it. The thought of Patrick Stewart with a grimace on his face at hearing Spiner do a dead-on impersonation of him is hilarious to me.

  402. At this point, the only way Paramount can be forgiven for the current string of f**k-ups associated with the new film’s launch is by surprising everyone and releasing best Star Trek film ever made.

    No PR or marketing exists, except a panned awful teaser, some pics and an unremarkable Entertainment Weekly segment. Not even “secret” pics of actors glimpsed on set, or a bit of plot detail. The thing launches in July, and it’s May in two weeks. Where is the full-swing marketing, and trailers attached to BvS and Jungle Book? They won’t even make the next Captain America film with their current schedule.

    Maybe I am just being paranoid, but Paramount has turned into the worst kind of sh*t-factory, with only Transformers, TMNT and GI-Joe to keep it going. They have brought Star Trek as a film property down to b-grade by meddling too much creatively.

    I mean, how can you re-order a new Star Trek script so late in the game because the last one was “too much like Star Trek” for a film being launched to honor the 50th anniversary of the property?

  403. @415. AJ – April 17, 2016

    “…Maybe I am just being paranoid, but Paramount has turned into the worst kind of sh*t-factory…”


    Get out of here!

    Everything is just fine. Paramount is doing great.

    Espèce de pessimiste…


  404. What colour is the sky in your world, Aurore? :>)

  405. Observed a post on one of the main boards – check out Seems there is plenty of 50th anniversary stuff going on, and stuff to buy, too.

  406. 415 AJ, My bet is that the original script for JJTrek3 was pure fan service, tying the profitable NuVerse back the original timeline, which I guess is something maybe 1,000 diehard fans want, but would baffle the general audience, tie Trek into an already choked-with-canon Universe, and affect future profitability. Thus, “too Star Trek-y.”

  407. Canon vs. Enjoying a danged fillum.

    Does Bond, Batman, or Supes have all this concern over canon? SW doesn’t, at least not unless you’re a militant geek talking about every book, comic, cartoon, and trading card. I just wish JJ has left us in the Prime universe, as seen by a new creative team. But, I suppose that starship has sailed. As we go back to tv, it certainly looks like they’re going to be in the Prime universe, sandwiched between STUDC and TNG. Lots of room to play around in there. (I hope they don’t make a big deal about inventing dust-busters.) As far as I’m concerned, the new team is welcome to liberally interpret all that’s gone before. Dr. Who seems to be on-again, off-again with its own canon. That’s cool.

  408. Do, sted does. D’oh!

  409. Marja & CmdrR:

    Star Trek’s canon is pretty much a “thing” in the world of mass-market fantasy/sci-fi franchises. Even casual fans get riled up if the violation is too obvious, or a new interpretation too “original” (Spock/Uhura as an example).

    I give Mr. Orci credit for participating in the Trekmovie discussions to the extent that he has, and understand that whatever he wrote for the latest Trek was probably a story about “exploration” or the “human condition” as Star Trek tended to do it back in the day (“Too Star Trekkie”). Not so sure about “fan service’ other than that it would bring Star Trek back to what the fans think it’s supposed to be. I mean, Nimoy and Tribbles showing up in two films, plus Khan, Kobayashi Maru, Praxis, Carol Marcus and dozens of other references in the first two JJ films were quite a lot of service already.

  410. AJ,

    “..what casual fans think [Trek is] supposed to be” is a broad statement. I, for one, enjoy the flexibility of an alternate timeline, and to me, an alternative to canon is what it’s supposed to be. For traditionalists, that is a Sin of the First Order, beyond the pale, but they, and I, love Star Trek in one form or another.

    And I thought the “original” take on Spock/Uhura in the NuVerse a welcome addition. I like it very much, despite certain scripting flaws.

  411. Marja:

    I grew up with canon, and it just sticks to my brain like an extra lobe.

    I do not mind the “What If?” gobbledygook scenario JJ used to create his timeline. However, I do not get that, while Spock’s upbringing was SO strictly canon-based (even referencing TAS), Kirk was made out to be a prattish dick who kept getting promoted without experience for no reason. TOS Kirk, as we know, earned every one of his medals by the time he was promoted to be the youngest Captain in Starfleet at 34. He was also a “stack of books with legs” who served on board the Farragut as a Lieutenant. A womanizer? Yes. But he stayed in school and earned his stripes in the field.

    I will be curious to see how the new show handles canon. If they actually do a season post-ST6, they will be smack-dab in the middle of two series with some serious limitations. I say Go For It.

  412. AJ, the NuTrek movies had to showcase how a young twerp with attitude could make Captain in two days. How else can the young folk watching rationalize getting great success in their own lives without working for it?

    The new motto is “forget about working hard, you deserve success for no reason whatsoever.” Want to become rich and successful? Don’t worry, it will come.

    I weep for the young people embracing these “values”.

  413. AJ, I agree with you on Kirk, the characterization [as Harry points out] was probably to make Kirk “more relatable” to the young and spoilt. Geeze, you can’t have some brilliant history-reading dweeb doing thrilling things, can you?

    Oh wait. In TOS they did. But that was the grand ol’ days.

    Harry, I think the motto would be more like, “forget about working hard, you deserve success if you come up with a Great Idea!” [Silicon Valley, vidgame designers, I’m lookin’ at you]

  414. I just read they’re going to be filming the new Trek TV series here in Toronto.


    Our city seems to get more than it’s fair share of interesting stuff going on!

  415. Here ya go, Harry:

    I know you meant in your heart to post that link…

  416. OK, AJ, now you’re just rubbing my nose in it! :)

  417. Dang. Now I’m jealous.
    Atlanta’s got The Walking Dead.
    Trade ya, Harry!

  418. CmdrR, trade Star Trek for The Walking Dead?

    Um, no.

    Tell me, does no work for you?


  419. No.

    Want Trek!! (Not endless zombie dicing crap.)

  420. A buddy of mine does extra work in stuff shot around Toronto. I’m going to “strongly encourage” him to audition for Trek.

  421. What would a STAR TREK zombie sound like?:

    Brains, brains, brains, and brains. Wants brains?

  422. All the zombies in ‘Star Trek’ would accusingly shout: “‘Harcourt Fenton Ballz…Have you been drinking again!?” and would relentlessly pursue Harry through the streets of Toronto until the inevitable end…

  423. What, with me letting them catch me only to prove their pursuit was pointless?

  424. An endless sea of walking red shirts….

  425. Star Trek Zombies wouldn’t sound like anything. They’d be wandering around Paramount/CBS looking for brains, so they’d be too weak from starvation to speak.

  426. I don’t post as much on this site anymore as Keachick (among others) has ruined it for me.

    Their twisted lunatic-fringe ravings have spoiled the whole environment.

    I like our little corner here, but I have little patience for the rest of it.

    Keachick should be banned, but that’s not going to happen anytime soon.

  427. #436. Harry Ballz – April 24, 2016

    Pointless? Oh come on, Harry, I would think even in zombie form, Marj Dusay would look good enough that you’d opt to go out with a bang?

  428. Disinvited, tell me, if she gets to eat my brain, what do I get to eat?


  429. Marj Dusay is still lovely at 80.

    In answer to your question, Harry … “what do I get to eat?”


  430. CmdrR, I was kind of picturing Marj as she looked in “Spock’s Brain”, but I appreciate the pun.

    Hmmmm, “Edible Depends”. Doubt there’s much of a market for that.

  431. 439 Harry,

    Talk about twisted lunatic-fringe ravings, at least I Am Not Herbert has gone off to La-La Land. I think he’s getting ready for the imminent arrival of aliens.

    If they ban Keachick they should ban TUP too. He has a weird fixation with Keachick that makes reading some threads very unpleasant.

    Both of them have days of good behavior [reasonable, non-attack posts] and days of bad behavior [perhaps drinking or nasty moods are involved].

    Whereas, you are uniformly grumpy and sarcastic on the threads ;-)

  432. 436 Harry, Zombies do the witless pursuit of brains, not the brainy pursuit of wit.

    438 CmdrR,
    If only they would eat the bodies so replacements had to be ordered up.

  433. @444

    Marja, sweet darling Marja. Me, grumpy and sarcastic? I’m a PUSSYCAT!



  434. 447 – In that case, I’m 28 and fabulously wealthy. Also good at cricket.

    (I hope Melisandre doesn’t notice we’ve been playing with her necklace of self-deception.)

  435. Here is something for Paramount to focus on before they blow their $3 wad on the 2-month PR window for “Star Trek: Beyond”

  436. @448. AJ – April 28, 2016

    “Here is something for Paramount to focus on before they blow their $3 wad on the 2-month PR window for ‘Star Trek: Beyond’ ”



    And, in the end, they’ll do the right thing. As usual…
    You know this to be true.


    …Um…Thanks for the link, AJ.

  437. More product placement??

    Motorbikes — Powered by Exxon, and we’re not going anywhere!

    Bud Light Lime — Drink it now, york until 2266.

    Subway Sandwiches — Jeez, it’s the 23rd Century. Haven’t you forgotten about Jared yet?

    Beyoncé — Surprising us with an album that’s not for white men every few months for 250 years.

  438. Funniest product placement is, of all things, Volkswagen in Woody Allen’s “Sleeper.” Also note the mention of the National Rifle Association.

    I doubt it was negotiated the way “Transformers 4” was:

  439. ‘Sleeper’: Big Brother’s nose! Google cars. The Orgasmatron. Diane Keaton, before she got all serious and weird. Great film!

  440. 446 Harry and
    447 CmdrR,

    Did I mention I looked just like Diane Keaton?

    [At least, a date told me that when I was 21] ;-)

    Plus, I can do the entire “Single Ladies” Beyonce routine

    In my dreeeaaams

  441. Marja, pre- gloves and turtlenecks, DK was one hot cookie.

    • I was a pretty hot cookie in my early 20s too. Alas some 45+ years have intervened

  442. Just watched “Sleeper” again for the 20th time. What a classic!

  443. Our Leader’s Nose.

  444. Way Beyond….certainly shaping up that the five year mission got cut a bit short.

  445. Either Chekov is now a captain, too, or the jackets make it really hard to discern rank. Plus, with the delta shield, they’re very Captain America. OK, so we’re on the Franklin now. We’ll beat up Idris Elba in a 45 minute fistfight, pick up George and Gracie, and voyage home to get a new Enterprise. Check.

  446. *Sigh* Maybe (Please?) Just MAYBE (Pretty Please?) they’ll replace the JJ-prise with a classic version of the ship that we love? For the 50th anniversary?


    • AJ, But I love the new one. Except the tailfins and the bright bright Bridge.

  447. Yes, the current Enterprise gets destroyed, the crew makes it back to Earth in the Franklin (NX style), only to be given a new ship called Enterprise that looks EXACTLY like the ship in Star Trek: The Motion Picture.


  448. Hey look, there’s a chatroom!

    • Yep. It’s a civil little hideaway from some of the back and forth on the main threads.

  449. dmduncan, this chat room has always been here. This is where the civil discussions take place.

    • But *&%$! it, they took away the Jump to Bottom button. Chat is gonna be a bitch on my smartphone. Scroll scroll scroll scroll scroll ahhh screw it

    • The end key on my keyboard still works….

  450. Just binge-watched the 8 part miniseries “The Missing”. Superb British drama that keeps you on the edge of your seat.

  451. I binge watched the SF CBS series, Extant, starring Halle Berry. Weird that ONLY S1 is available on CBSAA, and I then discovered that a S2 exists on Amazon but NOT CBSAA. Whisky Tango Foxtrot?

  452. New format. Yowza, this chatroom looks funky.

    The new season of Penny Dreadful is underway, if you have a yen for classic monsters and Eva Green. (I always have a yen for Eva Green.)

  453. Dude… This is weird. It’s like a different site. I miss the old TrekMovie. It was more community-like with one thread. Like in here. Now there are sub-threads all over the place out there and it’s impractical to read all of the comments.

    At least there’s no up/down voting in here. Somebody tell me how having anonymous people judge peoples’ comments is a good thing. A downvote at this site means that a complete asshole or a very nice person with good taste and judgment—there’s no telling which—doesn’t like something (there’s no telling what) about a comment. How is that helpful or productive?

    Brian Drew appeared to share this concern initially, and then the system was just reinstated with no changes. I don’t get it.

    • I was baffled when Kayla said they’re using Disqus.

      This ain’t like no Disqus I’ve ever seen

      I mean WTF, no “edit”

      Stupid up/down voting


  454. Holy Crap, that’s big!

  455. @ AJ

    “Holy Crap, that’s big!”

    Yes, it is!

  456. Uhh…this is right? It’s soo…different. Not bad but a little shocking. Don’t mean to sound ungrateful, but I’ll need some time to absorb this.

  457. When did they haul this old girl in for her refit?

  458. Post vanished. Not sure what I might have said that wasn’t kosher.

    Anyway. Much improved. Very impressive. When did we get hauled in for a refit?

    • I’ve noticed if something is amiss, it’ll at least tell you you’re in moderation…

    • Apparently not always. I just noticed a comment with the word !n$urance in it just got sucked into the void.

    • Apparently stuff that gets sucked into the moderation black hole here is gone for good.
      I feel you on the separation, happened to me back in 08. Went from near six figures in engineered lumber to low fives in !n$urance. What’s a middle aged guy with a HS diploma to do? At least the hours are agreeable.

  459. Oh, there it is.
    Guess my ‘puter did’t want to play we’ll with the new chat. Oh well.

  460. So. How is everybody?
    I seem to have a lot of time on my hands of late. Position elimination will do that.

  461. Sorry, Beach. I know the feeling. Love the exciting world of Uber driving at age 53. Tutoring is better for the soul. Plus freelance anything, everything. Whoever wins in November, don’t expect giant corporations to grow a heart.

  462. Harry Ballz | May 2, 2016 at 11:52 am | Reply

    Beach/CmdrR, sorry to hear that. It can be pretty brutal out there! I hope you both land on your feet doing something you enjoy, or at least pays well.

  463. Harry/CmdrR
    Thanks, fellas.
    I got headhunted by a division of a major tire and rubber corporate entity, but the kicker was they wouldn’t give me any idea what the salary was, and the training period was 90 days. In Indianapolis. I’m not in Indy. I would’ve had to commute home–five hour drive–on weekends. I have a special needs child that is a handful for one person on a good day. It usually takes both of us.
    Irony of ironies, their corporate offices are moving to—wait for it–the town i live in.
    What. The. Actual. Fug?

  464. Sorry. Didn’t turn off the italics properly. Idiot.

  465. I’m picking up freelance gigs. If I can string enough together I should be fine. I phone interviewed for a tv news producer job. It would mean overnights… again… so, I’m not terribly interested. Meanwhile, I ‘m motivated to write. 4 short stories in the can. Will try for a long project if I can. Point is, you never can get the years back, so you’d better do something you feel good about doing.

    • Yeah, I feel that way about being able to put my hand to something, the potential for growth is there, as long as I maintain my client base.

  466. Harry Ballz | May 3, 2016 at 9:48 pm | Reply

    Beach/CmdrR, thanks for sharing.

    We’re all a long time dead, may as well try to enjoy now.

  467. Harry, ‘Beach, CmdrR: I often think like that. Take what you can from each and every day. Too bad they’ve turned our favorite show to garbage again. That’s an hour a week I’d like back. Maybe the new show will be decent, but I expect the new flick will stink like a sweaty Mugatu scrotum.

  468. sweaty Mugatu scrotum <<== considered to be a powerful aphrodisiac by the Bajorans.

  469. AJ
    Do I want to even KNOW how you know what that smells like?

  470. ‘Beach…Mugatus are fictitious creatures. I am just extrapolating backwards from the first “Beyond” trailer and recalling the impression it made on me…

    • Oh you’re a riot you are… ;-P

    • I dig that.
      I thought the trailer was fast=paced and interesting. The thing that took me out of it narratively speaking was that stupid and blatantly obvious TERRAN motorcycle on a planet in the middle of relative galactic nowhere. WTF?

  471. Hey, I noticed I’m the only one replying ‘in comment’. If you click on that little reply next to the time stamp, it’ll let you nest the comment.

    If you’re so inclined, that is….

  472. My comments I made last night may be along by today. I used the symbols for cuss words in one, and whiskey tango foxtrot in another, so who knows.

    I also wondered if we are really on Disqus cos this don’t look like no Disqus to me.

    • I posted a reply to Beach that that dirty word, !n$urance, and it disappeared forever. My guess this is some sort of open sourced Disqus clone, tough I’m the first to admit I don’t pay anymore attention to software sourcing then I need too. That’s why I keep the 20 year old son around…

  473. Ahhh, so desu ka.

    I looked back and realized I’d done everything as “replies” so they were nested in above.

    My bad :-)

  474. I’m glad the mods are looking out for the sniping between TUP, Prodigal Son, et. al. TUP is sooooo very sensitive, poooor bb. Then at other times he’s perfectly rational and doesn’t attack in return to comments. Go figure.

    • Harry Ballz | May 5, 2016 at 1:52 pm |

      [This comment has been removed by a moderator]

    • Perhaps. I admit to being part of the et. al., and while the rest of the et. al’s. acknowledged accountability to some degree or another, TUP was pretty consistent in deflecting any and all requests for similar consideration. The boy doesn’t like it when people push back, there’s no getting around that.

    • **Best 5th grader voice** Haaaaaarrrryyyyyy… woooooooooo!!!! You got in truh-bull. woooooooooooooo!!!!!

    • Medication management is a touchy subject, apparently.

  475. New topic – Captain America: Civil War seems to be trending very well. It doesn’t seem to be shaping up to be the misfire that BvS was (reported. I’ve not seen it to this point, and probably won’t until it hits cable).


    • Cap has pulled in $260m overseas already. Should be another ‘Avengers’ at the Box Office. Reviews all seem solid.

  476. Harry Ballz | May 5, 2016 at 11:41 pm | Reply

    Wow, this place is suddenly strict! How unsettling.

  477. Harry Ballz | May 6, 2016 at 11:15 am | Reply

    Not to mention, over on the latest thread, people are still sniping at each other with “what are you,brain dead?” comments, and I get scolded for hinting someone might be off their meds?

    • I guess I’m about to find out how sarcasm plays….not that it ever translates well in print to begin with.

    • I have suspected exactly the same thing at times, or perhaps a coupla beers where no beer was needed ….

  478. Harry Ballz | May 6, 2016 at 10:58 pm | Reply

    The producers of Independence Day 2 just posted a pseudo-documentary style promo for the movie. It’s about 4 min 20 sec long and it’s called “The War of 1996”. It’s great because, unlike with Paramount, these guys want to show the audience some respect.

    • Probably more of a refresher course. Twenty years between movies and all. It’ll be interesting to see how they explain Dr. Okun, as he was very dead in the first outing….

    • Phil, 7.44 am,
      Maybe Okun’s engrams have been downloaded into an android which bears a startling resemblance to his young self?

    • Beware, Alien Scum! We still have our 30-pound 90’s laptops–somewhere in the back of the thrift shops–and we’re not afraid to give you another dose of computer virus 101!

      I think Will Smith will crash into heaven and knock Doc Brown, I mean Data, I mean Dr. Okum loose.

  479. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire | May 7, 2016 at 9:39 pm | Reply

    WOW!. What did I miss. Lol.

    I just saw Captian America and here is my Review.

    Great story, Check!.
    Great Action!. Check!
    Great Fun! Check!.
    Great Acting!. Check!

    This movie had it all. I think this is the best Marvel Movie Yet. Seeing Spiderman and they way he was presented was well done. His Brief Interaction with Captian America left me wanting a lot more and I for one can’t wait. On scale of 1 to 10 I give this movie a 11.

  480. Happy May 9th – V/E Day everyone! Moscow will be awash in tanks, troops, choppers and fighter jets tomorrow, and this American gets to pretend it’s “Red Dawn” for real, except for the day off, friendly locals and the beautifully sunny weather. Click on the player here for Russian WWII music, and if you’re up at 3AM east Coast time, you can watch the parade live from Red Square on the same page.

    • No idea what they are singing, but hey! While the Russians did repel the Germans, it came at quite the human cost. Something the Western world tends to forget. Find a friendly local, and drink a toast!

    • Thanks, AJ!
      Enjoy yourself on this “beautifully sunny” day!

  481. Disinvited | May 9, 2016 at 4:18 am | Reply

    One “problem” that I’m having with the new comment system outside of this one is here my FireFox browser recognizes the form fields as such and remembers what I want in those fields for future comments that I may compose.

    The new system’s name and email fields elsewhere with the articles are not recognized by my various versions of FireFox as form entry fields that it can remember and I have to hand type in those entries with unintentional typos going to moderation. Anybody have any hints on how to get FireFox to, as Nimoy said, “Remember.” these new form fields?

  482. Finally took EnsR to Jungle Book.
    He liked it. I made the mistake of not staying in the bomb shelter. I got hit by all the hype and kind of expected something more. While the story holds up (it’s the one you know, folks), the heavy ‘borrowing’ from the Disney animated film is a bit clunky. It’s one thing to hear Bing Crosby and Louis Armstrong sing otherwise forgettable songs in a cartoon. It’s another to cringe through Bill Murray singing the song’s one verse twice, WITHOUT the on-screen action even following the lyrics and then hear **gasp** Christopher Walken hack his way through the same kind of thing. BTW, I had to wait until the credits to see that it was Walken, even though I knew the voice. It’s hard to recognize, because he never pauses. Some genius edited out the Shatneresque gaps that make Walken Walken. Having said all that, it’s a purdy picture. Murray tries his best, but again, his character is edited poorly. And yes, you get a lengthy cg battle at the end in which physics and spatial relations go up in a glow of red flower. I give it 3 1/2 out of 5 stars.

  483. RIP William Schallert, Nils Baris & Patty Duke’s dad.

  484. Okay, it’s my turn to gripe. What numb nut went through the contest thread and downvoted all the comment entries (except the complaining ones, of course)???

  485. So, we’re one week away from the big ST:B “reveal.” Or did we miss it already? I honestly don’t know.

  486. AJ, is that don’t know or don’t care?

  487. Harry, I still care. I am, however, expecting the movie to SUCK BIGTIME.

  488. AJ, I have greater hopes for the new TV series.

  489. I’m also looking forward to the series. It’s funny how Trek, as run by Bad Robot, is so secretive when it comes to plot information, yet lets the cat out of the bag when the films have issues with their writers. STID was a mess, and we knew that it was delayed due to script issues and that Damon Lindelof had to be brought in to patch it back together. The movie, as we know, sucked. This next one also had a script completely thrown out along its writer as first-time director, and then Simon Pegg was brought in to rush out a new one which he admitted is more a ‘cops and robbers caper’ flick in Trek clothing than a real Trek film. AND it’s directed by a Fast & Furious director. Once again, we know zip about the film except that it’s been a mess from the word “go.” Also, it went in for re-shoots with a brand new castmember as a new character to be inserted into the existing film. It’s had NO publicity except a trailer that its writer and co-star said was terrible. Just how bad is this thing going to be?

  490. A good deal of the luster has worn off of JJ et al. Which is odd, considering the success of SWTFA. Assuming Hollywood watches all possible numbers, I wonder whether JJ’s work is pulling in repeat ticket sales at the theatres as well as home sales in the aftermarkets. I watched 10 Cloverfield Lane. It’s certainly watchable, but like many of JJ’s films, there’s an odd after taste of “so what?” When you learn what’s actually going on, you (the viewer) kind of want the main plot of this film to get out of the way and let the bigger story begin. That’s an odd story structure. Otherwise, I would certainly recommend 10 Cloverfield on the basis of the performances and direction, one or two plot holes not withstanding. As for whether STB will redeem the franchise after the infuriating STID, I just don’t know. All signs point to business as usual: cg bs and explosions with a paper thin plot; all character moments fed from outside the actual film you’re watching. The series is almost a clean slate. My only qualm is that it’s set BEFORE TNG. While not a TNG prequel, there are things they probably can’t do in terms of fundamental story arcs. The Federation cannot fall in a war. The new crew cannot discover technology that never shows up on Picard’s Enterprise. In fact, it would be odd for them to have a ship named Enterprise, since we know too much about the B & C. So… we’ll have to see.

  491. CmdrR, I think some of the luster wore off of JJ when he directed TFA, which is basically a re-run of every beat of SWars Episode IV. I think he’s capable of originality but the evidence is not strong in this one ….

  492. CmdrR, I think JJ’s reboot was meant to bring the old characters back via new actors, and not to break ground in terms of moving Trek’s overall story arc forward. Theoretically, the Federation could fall, as JJ’s alternative universe was meant to remove the ‘canon is baggage’a argument while making sure canon is acknowledged and left intact. I hold out hope that, if the Enterprise is destroyed as we have seen in the current trailer, that we will be given a new one closer to what we have seen in TOS or TMP. The regular punters wouldn’t give a crap, and it would make us Trekkers cry for the 50th Anniversary. It will obviously not happen, and the film will be a treasure-trove of lost opportunities and cut corners. Paramount execs get their bonuses when Transformers movies are released, so I am sure ST:B will suck, and be gone in the Wink of an Eye.

  493. Gee AJ, pessimistic much? I hope the movie will suprise you and be much better than you expect!

    Personally, I like the new Enterprise, but I know I’m in the minority of first-generation TOS fans.

  494. I love parts of the JJ’s E. I like the idea that it’s MUCH bigger, because it really feels as though it’s the size the E should have been in TOS. The hangar deck looks like it can hold enough shuttles, finally. I love the circular atrium in STID (**gasp!** I actually said I like something in that cursed film. Actually, I enjoyed that movie right up to the moment when Cumbersnatch says he’s Khan.) While I hate the brewery equipment, I love the size of engineering. I don’t like the warp core, either. It looks like what it is: 2014 tech. I like the bridge; I just don’t like JJ’s retina-torture approach to lighting. Plus, it could use a little more red/orange and black. I like the transporter room. I like sickbay (minus the tribble — jeez, I get it, everyone’s heard of tribbles so tribbles are everywhere now.) I like most of the exterior, except the DD-implant nacelles. Take those bad boys down a few sizes and she’d be a pretty ship indeed.

    HOPING for the best on July 22nd (the day before my birthday!)

  495. Marja: I am just wary of the corporate mentality that feeds off of Transformers and TMNT movies, and makes a point of dumbing down excessively “Star Trekkie” interpretations of Star Trek when the property is celebrating its 50th anniversary. What they are saying is that they need high-earning tentpoles, and that they must pander to an interpretation of the “least common denominator” which is based on those who buy tickets for Transformers and TMNT films. Transformers makes billions, so make more films like that. That means story and characters take a back seat to action and FX. In fact, if you look at films like the latest Captain America, story and characters are in the forefront of what is a super action film, and it is not assumed that all the moviegoers are ADD-addled 8-year-olds who have never before heard of the characters. “Star Trek” is a property with loyal (and older) fans who have been told that what they love about the franchise needs to be excised from the movies in order to make money. And the last two JJ-Treks were far from billion-dollar earners. They were failures. So, I expect this one to be worse. So there.

    • AJ, I have been against the placement of Trek as a tentpole franchise from the beginning. Simply by doing that they have limited the possibilities for certain kinds of stories, placing too much importance on Action! at the expense of characters, exploration, intelligent discussions, debates, and plots that mean more than Villain vs. The Whole Galaxy.

      November. December. These would be ideal release times IMO.

      Paramount was trying a money grab and has succeeded to some extent but not to the billion$ of their dream$.

  496. Harry Ballz | May 17, 2016 at 1:07 am | Reply

    AJ “So, I expect this one to be worse. So there.”

    Hmmmmmm, AJ, sounds like you have just a “so-so” opinion of the next Trek film.

  497. Harry, always best to start with low expectations and be surprised (and happy) when they are exceeded.

  498. “…always best to start with low expectations and be surprised (and happy) when they are exceeded.”

    AJ, I agree …We may be pleasantly surprised by the upcoming Star Trek film, after all.
    That’s what I want to believe. Even though what I’ve read and seen so far (concerning the movie) does not make it easy…

    We’ll see.

  499. Harry Ballz | May 17, 2016 at 9:35 pm | Reply

    I just watched Mission Impossible 5. I enjoyed it.

  500. Woo hoo!!

  501. Harry Ballz | May 18, 2016 at 2:32 pm | Reply

    No, Phil, John Woo directed Mission Impossible 2. :>)

  502. New series. “New villains.” There’s a crack in the Delta shield.

  503. I have to say, this conversation about Orci is fascinating:

    The Fox TUP • 7 hours ago

    Orci did leak it and shatner said its bullshit.
    They had a telephonic conversation about having a face to face conversation for a cameo in the movie.
    But it was one of the fake stories that he kept announcing whenever his script was rejected and thats whats got him blacklisted. Posting all the shit.

    The Plantet of Titans was a rejected script owned by paramount pre-TMP.
    Funny enough, the USS Titan was pitched by Frakes in April last year. CBS was interested, they even ordered provisional budget estimates and realized it would cost to much per epsiode.

  504. I don’t think a screenwriter can be ‘blacklisted’ for posting stuff when he has a track record of multi-hundred-million dollar films and TV shows under his belt. On the other hand, I find it interesting that Orci’s last “Spider-Man” film was considered a franchise-breaking failure when it grossed over 700 million. Trek 09 and STID both made far less, and are looked upon as having successfully ‘revitalized’ the franchise by most. And we know the latter had super-sized problems with the story. In a world where the new Cap movie will have done a billion in two weeks, maybe $700m is chump change. They just shook up DC’s org-chart after BvS sputtered out under $900m. In any case, Orci is still co-producing “Beyond” and Wikipedia shows he will do so for the “Mummy” and “Van Helsing” re-boots as well.

  505. Van Helsing’s still on? **sigh** So overdone. Penny Dreadful is a better choice for viewers. The Mummy? I liked the first one… ONLY… from the last incarnation. It seems too soon to go at it again, just as Spider-Man’s reboot came too soon.

  506. Voting seems to have been turned off in the main threads…

    • Looks like it. While generally not paying a lot of attention to it, the clowns who were busy downvoting the fan event contest entries really needed to get a life….

  507. What’s that on the breeze? Coming closer? Tomorrow? Could it be? Dare we hope?

    New trailer smell?!?’

    So much hope!!

  508. AJ | May 18, 2016 at 10:11 pm | Reply

    You touched on many interesting issues there.

    I don’t think a screenwriter can be ‘blacklisted’ for posting stuff when he has a track record of multi-hundred-million dollar films and TV shows under his belt.

    It’s happened. Orson Welles comes to mind. And, really, do you think there’s a shortage of writers who couldn’t do what Orci does? His high-earning movies have all been tent-pole action movies. Audiences don’t go to those movies primarily for the writing. For every Orci there are a hundred starving, more talented writers who’d kill their own mother for the chance to make a $250k paycheck for writing a big dumb action movie.

    I find it interesting that Orci’s last “Spider-Man” film was considered a franchise-breaking failure when it grossed over 700 million. Trek 09 and STID both made far less, and are looked upon as having successfully ‘revitalized’ the franchise by most. And we know the latter had super-sized problems with the story.

    I’m not sure that STID can be said to have been a financial success or to have “revitalized” the franchise. Reports are that STID didn’t make money until its home-video release, and it’s been widely cited as an example of disappointing financial performance in the era where studios are putting all of their eggs into relatively few tentpole movie baskets. ST09, I concede, was a financial success and did revitalize the franchise in a way, though it polarized the fan base in the process.

  509. AJ | May 18, 2016 at 10:11 pm

    In any case, Orci is still co-producing “Beyond” and Wikipedia shows he will do so for the “Mummy” and “Van Helsing” re-boots as well.

    I raised those points as well. The Fox’s rejoinder was that Orci’s attachment as Exec.Prod. on STB is contractual, and that all movies currently listing Orci’s involvement attached him contractually prior to the Shatner/STB incident in question. It is true that those Shatner news releases got sent to the media somehow when they weren’t true. The story that Orci and/or BR were behind them, and that Paramount took offense, stands to reason. Whether or not that sort of shenanigans would get someone like Orci blacklisted is another matter. But, if there’s one thing a big, powerful corporate movie studio is not likely to tolerate, it’s a rogue contractor (like Orci) spinning his own PR as a means of pressuring the studio into giving in to him. Was he blacklisted for it? I guess the future will tell—how many new projects Orci gets going forward.

  510. It’s been a rough couple of weeks for the Beastie Boys…..

  511. On the trailer premiere thread… Sounds as though Paramount is really responding to fan criticism of empty-headed action in STID and the forst STB trailer. Hints of a return to Prime?? Nice tribute to LN. I truly hope STB reflects all this.

  512. Trailer 2 has some balance to it, though it still sells action, dirt bike and killer spermbots included. Two months to go.

  513. Can somebody please post the link to the video (on Youtube) called “Everything Wrong With Star Trek Into Darkness In 7 Minutes Or Less” on the thread discussing the new trailer for Trek? I think Orci should see it and learn where he f*cked up!

  514. Harry Ballz | May 21, 2016 at 9:58 am | Reply

    Thanks, Phil, I appreciate that. Could you please post it again on the new trailer thread to spoil Orci’s day? That would be sweet. You could even say I asked you to do it.

  515. Harry, when you and Bob Orci meet at the Motel No Tell, are you responsible for remembering quarters for the magic fingers bed or is he?

  516. Harry Ballz | May 21, 2016 at 2:13 pm | Reply

    CmdrR, the only fingers involved are when I tell Orci to pull the thumb out of his ass and at least try to write a decent script! Personally, I think the challenge is beyond his abilities.

  517. Harry Ballz | May 21, 2016 at 7:05 pm | Reply

    CmdrR, I’ve responded twice, but it keeps getting deleted.

  518. I’m sure it was something nice. I do find it interesting that Orci is so vocal in the thread on the new trailer. I know he’s contractually a producer for STB, but it’s never a certainty whether the title and actual work go together.

  519. Phil | May 21, 2016 at 7:24 am |

    Didn’t notice this before. At about 2:40, check out Alice Eve in the background. Just kinda looking around at ….stuff.

    Phil, that’s hilarious.

    It’s worth asking Bob Orci what the hell is going on there. I’m gonna post it and ask him.

    • Yeah, it’s funny, but it’s just a continuity foul up. Happens all the time, apparently.

  520. She’s probably coming off the ecstasy she took while boning him to get the part.

    (ooooh, i’m going to pay for this one)

  521. I was able to find the first “Beyond” trailer for the Russian market. The title translates to “Star Trek: Infinity.” Sounds kinda cool,actually. STID was translated to “Star Trek: Revenge,” which is less BS-y than “Into Darkness.” Can’t find Trailer No. 2 yet…

  522. OK, those were the first trailer… but, they had one or two diff shots. Here’s the 2nd German, with a few more diff shots:

    Now that I’ve seen it a dozen times… do Kirk and somebody really jump through the bridge viewscreen? And it… breaks? What the hell held it together at Warp 9? (Plus NotKhan already did the bust out and slide down the hull thing.)

  523. I haven’t posted to Trekmovie in quite a long while, but some people on another site are asking a question that hopefully someone here can answer:

    Does anyone know what happened to Anthony? Did he bow out of the site? Did he sell it? Was he simply too busy to keep running it himself?

    This is something I’ve wondered about for quite a while and am curious as to an answer, if anyone has one. Thanks.

    • No one has really offered up an explanation. AP seems to poke his head in every couple of years, announce he’s back, then transports out. The staff has been pretty much running the show for quite a while now…

  524. New X-Men is supposed to blow chow.

  525. Lucky Chow!

  526. “Warcraft” also apparently sucks the big one….

    • Cygnus-X1 | May 25, 2016 at 12:41 am |

      I’m sorry to hear that. I thought the trailer was great.c

    • I have played WoW on and off since 2004, so I will go see it; I am hoping that will be enough to make it enjoyable for me. Otherwise, I think the project was pretty much doomed from the outset.

    • Well, if we want to discuss a genre of movies where the bar is automatically set low, movies adapted from video games would probably be at the top of the list.

  527. I hope this is true about Patrick Stewart and Wil Wheaton:

  528. Must be new, they threw in a Kylo Ren reference…

  529. Stop hiding from your shelf, Phil!

  530. I will see Warcraft this weekend. It’s out here now, whereas America gets it mid-June. I have played World of Warcraft on and off since 2004, so I have to see what they’ve done with it. I know it will stink, but the reviews say there is lots of ‘fan service,’ which will suit me just fine.

  531. Yoink! Wallpaper!

  532. “Warcraft” was nice eye-candy, with a wafer-thin plot, and characters that eventually get killed or go nowhere. If you play World of Warcraft, or ever played it, you’ll get a lot more mileage out of the film than if you don’t know the game at all. It’s out in a few markets now, but won’t hit North America until June 10th. “Lord of the Rings” it is not.

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