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1. Matt Wright - February 3, 2014

Hey guys, it’s been on my list for a while now to reset the chat page. I know it’s gotten huge and slow to load the newest comments, I actually meant to reset it when it hit 2,000 comments (ideally I should reset it even sooner more like 1,000 comments). Thanks Bernie for reminding me!
Carry on TrekMovie chatters :)

2. AJ - February 3, 2014

Clean and Fresh!

3. Harry Ballz - February 3, 2014

Aw, $@*&%#!!!!

All our comments lost to the ages.

Son of a nutcracker!

Somebody repost that damn ostrich commercial!

4. Aurore - February 4, 2014

Thanks, Matt Wright.

Thank you, Bernie!

:)

5. Aurore - February 4, 2014

“Somebody repost that damn ostrich commercial!”
_______

I don’t know what you’re talking about, but, I believe you forgot to add the word “please” to your request, sir.

Nevermind though, somebody probably will repost “that damn ostrich commercial” ; you’re so cute…

:)

6. Spockchick - February 4, 2014

Oooh! Look how clean and fresh it looks round here! Thanks Matt!

Very sorry about Philip Seymour Hooman, he was a wonderful actor. One of my favourite films is ‘Magnolia’ and he was wonderful in that, and everything he did.

7. Aurore - February 4, 2014

@ Mr. Wong :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enijgnO_UA8

….and :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0v0RJqpu0g

…I hope you are well.

Aurore

8. Spockchick - February 4, 2014

@ 6. Spockchick (me)

HOFFMAN very sorry bout that.

9. CmdrR - February 4, 2014

I left my socks hanging out here to dry last night and —

HEY!

10. Matt Wright - February 4, 2014

@ Harry – Here ya go: Doritos “Breakroom Ostrich” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoANeCLWOjI

11. Aurore - February 4, 2014

” I left my socks hanging out here to dry last night and –
HEY!”

________

it’s a kind of magic, it’s a kind of maaaagic…

:)

12. Aurore - February 4, 2014

“…Nevermind though, somebody probably will repost ‘that damn ostrich commercial’ ; you’re so cute…”

________

As predicted, somebody did repost what you asked for…

You are irresistible…I know you know it !

:))

13. AJ - February 4, 2014

Harry:

STOP IT with the ostrich!

You will watch this ad with William Shatner instead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3wf717fKFE

14. Silvereyes - February 4, 2014

I’m just happy not to have to see CmdrR’s first comment, saying “Great movie” about STID every time I come in to chat…

15. Silvereyes - February 4, 2014

Oh and from this refresh it appears to be official (or I’ve been missing staff meetings again) that Matt Wright has taken over this site… So thank you Matt!

16. Harry Ballz - February 4, 2014

Matt, thank you for complying with my “ostrich” demands!

You are clearly a man of action!

:>)

17. CmdrR - February 4, 2014

It’s easy to flip you the bird, Harry.

18. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - February 4, 2014

Matt. About time you followed orders from your Emperor. Next time you take this long. Agony Booth for you.

19. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - February 4, 2014

Nice to see a clean chat room. Harry. Don’t make it messy now. Or a certen Durance may stop by for a visit.

20. Harry Ballz - February 4, 2014

That ostrich looks sexy compared to Durance!

(a better actor, too)

21. Aurore - February 5, 2014

@18. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire – February 4, 2014

“…About time you followed orders from your Emperor. Next time you take this long. Agony Booth for you.”
_______

I thought Bernie reminded him to reset the page.

It’s been a while since I read from him, and, believed he had visited Chat just before it was done (that’s one of the things I inferred from the ” Thanks Bernie for reminding me!”@ post 1, on this page)…unless…you’re joking, of course.

In any case, please, be understanding Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire ; I “missed” all the “ostrich awsomeness” the other night. Therefore, I was not aware of what had happened!

:))

22. Spockchick - February 5, 2014

@ 11 Aurore

That made me laugh – I LOVE Ghostbusters!

I saw ‘I Frankenstein’ at the weekend. Oh my! (as George would say). That was a movie stitched from the corpses of other movies. The villain was even from another film – Underworld. But it was set in Paris (I think).

I predict a sequel is not in the offing.

23. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - February 5, 2014

Aurore. Guess who gave Bernie the orders to remind him. He He HE.

24. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - February 5, 2014

The Movie I Frankenstein should be retitled. I FrankenBerry. That movie will probably win the Razzie Award for worst movie.

25. AJ - February 5, 2014

Well, parts of Sochi are a mess two days before the Winter Olympics are set to begin.

This article’s subject is quite funny, and it’s typical of the type of screw-ups which occur here in Russia on a regular basis.

http://deadspin.com/staying-in-sochi-is-a-hilarious-adventure-1515722114

The “Gin” bottles shown in the article, almost mistaken for bottled water, are made and sold by my company (BRAVO) here in Russia, so, Yay!

26. CmdrR - February 5, 2014

Sochi. You’ll come for the crazy separatists. You’ll stay for the dangerous face water and extra crispy sheets.

God watch over them all!

27. CmdrR - February 5, 2014

EnsR is 6 today!!!

28. Spockchick - February 5, 2014

@ 25 AJ. Some mental Scottish brewers made a protest beer for Putin. I hope they don’t get in trouble! Apparently they sent him a case. It has a pink tinge, apparently!

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/news/vladimir-putin-not-for-gays-protest-beer-launched-by-scottish-brewery-brewdog-9108835.html

@ 27 CmdrR – happy birthday to EnsR!!!!!

29. CmdrR - February 5, 2014

pic.twitter.com/nE3tbDWncK

I want to be 6, and not just act like it.

30. CmdrR - February 5, 2014

Spockchick — I hear that in Russia, blowing the head off your beer in public draws an instant firing squad.

31. AJ - February 5, 2014

Patrick Stewart as “Jade Rabbit,” the Chinese moon-lander/vehicle thing, from The Daily Show:

http://io9.com/patrick-stewart-performs-a-somber-monologue-as-chinas-1516632357?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebook&utm_source=io9_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

32. Marja - February 5, 2014

Well, Matt, et. al., thanks for the commercials; AJ, thanks for the Sochi article; I laughed my ass off!

And Matt, thanks for taking over the asylum ;-)

Great comment on Putin’s Olympics http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/putin_new_yorker_cover

33. Aurore - February 6, 2014

@ 23. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire – February 5, 2014

“Aurore. Guess who gave Bernie the orders to remind him. He He HE.”

_________

…Right ; giving orders is what you do, EMPEROR Mike of the Alternate Empire!

(You don’t necessarily resort to using THE “magic” word…)

:))

Anyway…Speaking about magic :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzH0o3X0oB0

34. Spockchick - February 6, 2014

@32 Marja

Yay! You’re back! How ya?

@ 30 CmdrR The only Russian man I knew in Scotland used to tip vodka in his beer coz ‘your British beer is so weak!’

35. Spockchick - February 6, 2014

Me again, sorry!

Gender-Swap IDW Trek. Nice to see them catch up with generations of fan-fics (er… or not)

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/feb/06/star-trek-sex-change-comic-flips-genders-parallel-lines

36. CmdrR - February 6, 2014

Spockchick, someone Boldly Went there before…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-WBKah3uwg

37. Silvereyes - February 6, 2014

@36 CmdrR

Just saw EnsR’s pic on Twitter. Happy birthday to your son… (for yesterday).

And now I know why you call yourself CmdrR!

38. Spockchick - February 6, 2014

@ 36. CmdrR

OMFG!!! That was the funnest and funniest thing ever! McCoy with her perma-oven glove, and Scotty – ‘I just put up some lovely wallpaper’. The best thing (apart from Uhura with his legs 2 feet apart) was the exaggerated t*ts that all female comic-book characters have. Carol for the WIN!

39. AJ - February 6, 2014

Great Putin Sochi ‘coverage’ from the New Yorker:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2014/02/sochi-hotel-guests-complain-about-topless-portraits-of-putin-in-rooms.html

IMHO, the journalists should stop ‘complaining’ and realize that it is their job to actually do their job (journalize about things), and the crap in Sochi is what many call a ‘scoop,’ and not just a massive inconvenience. It is selling clicks and papers, so shut up and write! (Which, I guess, is what they are doing).

40. Phil - February 6, 2014

Hey! It’s the first day of winter in Southern California. It’s probably also the last day of winter, too.

Yeah, got some rain. Been dry since November.

41. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - February 7, 2014

Speaking of winter. Austin Texas. Light Snow and Sleet. High of 32.
WTF!!!!!

42. AJ - February 7, 2014

Patrick Stewart has been making the rounds in NYC:

Here he is on Letterman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uslqmHWWvLE&list=UUVUx0VcNxnHx7ZjuZK5Sthw

43. Marja - February 7, 2014

40 Phil, I went a little crazy in SoCal, being born a Northeasterner; it was hard to get used to no seasons and near-constant sunlight. The thing I missed most was multiple deciduous trees. Here I am in North Florida and the temp has actually dropped BELOW FREEZING! And the live oaks are beautiful as ever.

Give me three months and I’ll be whining about the heat and humidity, but I love North Fla in winter!

Added bennie: no Santa Anas, ever.

44. CmdrR - February 7, 2014

Shirtless Putin is also very popular in some bars in Atlanta, but for a different reason.

45. Phil - February 7, 2014

@43. No Santa Ana’s…but the occasional hurricane. My son is stationed at Kings Bay now, but he’s been at sea the last few weeks, so he missed the frostiness.

It’s easy to spot the cold season transplants – the locals break out the parkas when the temperature dibs below seventy (my wife is the worst) and the north-easterners are running around in shorts and tank tops…

46. Marja - February 8, 2014

45 Phil, I’m sorry to say my blood has thinned out after living in FL for 15+ years. I’m embarrassed that I now wear a jacket when the temp goes below about 65. At 55, I start wearing a hat and gloves. Last week it got “really cold” — I scraped ice off my windshield for the first time in, like, 30 years! It was kind of fun. Brought back the old days in NYC.

47. Marja - February 8, 2014

44 Cmdr R, the funniest thing for me after seeing all those macho shirtless photos of ol’ Vlad is, his voice is like a boy’s!

48. Marja - February 8, 2014

http://www.toofab.com/2014/02/08/prabal-gurung-fashion-week-streaker-video/

Uh, sorry folks, that’s not a streaker. He’s a guy wearing a thong!

Streakers let it all hang out!

49. CmdrR - February 8, 2014

Just saw “Inside Llewyn Davis” — a mix of Coen brothers and T. Bone Burnett. Excellent. Hey, no villain? No explosions. Only one fist-fight. I’m sorry, I must be on crack. It can’t be good.

Oh, and it also has appearances by Ru’afo, Neelix, and Spot.

50. Harry Ballz - February 8, 2014

Just watched Dallas Buyers Club.

A very good performance by Matthew M!

He might just win the Oscar!

51. AJ - February 8, 2014

I am now cycling through all 3 seasons of BBC’s “Wallander” with Kenneth Branagh and Tom Hiddleston (and Trek fave David Warner!). Absolutely gripping. Wonderfully done.

The series is about a police detective in southern Sweden who solves some gruesome cases while his personal life teeters on the edge of collapse. They are based on an apparently famous series of crime books (and TV series) in Sweden. They are free of the light tone and trendy feel of “Sherlock,” though they follow the same 3 ep x 90M format per season. This is where Branagh met Hiddleston, and, as director of “Thor,” got him the career-changing gig as Loki in the recent Marvel flicks with Thor as a main character. David Warner as Wallander’s crusty old dad with Alzheimer’s is a tour-de-force, as one would expect.

Both Warner and Hiddleston are absent from season 3, but the series loses no potency in their absence.

The series is really filmed in Ystad, Sweden, and having a load of Brits running around pretending to be Swedish cops, robbers and victims is a distraction to me, as I lived in Stockholm for a few years. But, it’s so good, it doesn’t matter. It is on Netflix, and all are out on disc, I believe. Definitely worthwhile! 4th season is apparently in the works.

52. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - February 8, 2014

Can’t wait for the Mid Season premire of
The walking Dead

53. Aurore - February 9, 2014

“…Hey, no villain? No explosions. Only one fist-fight. I’m sorry, I must be on crack. It can’t be good….”

__________

Indeed, man.

You are “on crack”.

However, I am not in the least surprised.

For, only members of the “international audience”(such as myself), or/and my Chinese friends, can appreciate what you seem to despise…

(…Obviously, I was not aware of that…ahem… “fact”… before reading the following, sometime ago ) :

“International audiences love action, wild and exciting special effects that can only be created by our technology. No nuance. Not so good for so-called writing. And China won’t look at anything that isn’t 3-D, which means everything is made that way—even with domestic audiences rejecting it.”

Link if authorized, here :

http://www.vulture.com/2013/06/george-lucas-steven-spielberg-on-hollywood-blockbusters.html

…So, enjoy your “excellent” little movies while you can….

:))

(EVIL LAUGHTER)

54. Spockchick - February 9, 2014

I went to see the least intellectual film of all yesterday. The LEGO Movie. It was AWESOME!!!!! Very funny and charming with an ending that made Mr Spockchick cry (the big baby). 9/10

55. AJ - February 9, 2014

54:

I heard ‘Lego’ was great….

56. Dom - February 9, 2014

51. AJ

Funnily enough, a lot of us Britons prefer the Krister Henrickson and Rolf Lassgård Wallanders. Branagh’s films are ok, but there’s a big dose of ‘Gee look! We’re in Sweden!’ about them that the native Swedish films don’t force on the viewer.

That said, I’m not sure if I’ll watch the final Henrickson season: The Troubled Man book really p!$$ed me off. I felt like throwing the book across the room when I read the last page!

57. AJ - February 9, 2014

Dom, I haven’t read any of the books, and have been curious to check out the real Swedish TV series.

Ystad, Sweden, where all this is based, is really a gateway to the older, more western EU from Poland and its ‘seedier’ eastern cousins. That ferry smuggles loads of cheaper Polish cigarettes and booze (and other food products) over on a regular basis in the articulated trucks on board, and much of the seedier mob underbelly which distributes those products in Sweden is located both there and in Malmo. Also, the ethnic issues the show raises are quite real.

In that respect, the “Gee-Sweden!” element is well-handled.

58. Aurore - February 10, 2014

A few years back, there were talks of a Star Trek sequel bebore the movie was even released :

“Alright, since I saw the queen I can give you a spoiler about the Studio’s state of mind (not about the movie itself). The spoiler is that they already want to lock us down to write the sequel. Take that as you will.”

“Unless the studio had a horrible experience with us, they would be trying to lock us down as standard operating procedure. They haven’t even seen the movie yet, so this news should not be taken as evidence that we are anything special. It’s a quite normal practice.”

http://trekmovie.com/2008/06/04/paramount-already-thinking-about-sequel-to-abrams-star-trek/

For the next Star Trek, there is no major announcement…so far. I would not have noticed… were it not for the fact that Star Trek Into Darkness is said to be the “highest-grossing film” of the franchise…

…Besides, there were all those encouraging statements made years ago, like here for instance :

“…But every few weeks during dailies I would see a new email chain go around with stuff like ‘Did you see that scene yesterday?’ ‘Did you see Spock in that new close?’ ‘Did you see Cumberbatch make it sound like poetry?’ So to hear other people chattering about it is encouraging. And it’s big. It’s so big. It’s epic. We just really went for a bigger version than we did last time, because of the trust.”

http://trekmovie.com/2012/07/14/exclusive-interview-roberto-orci-reveals-star-trek-sequel-character-details-talks-title-post-production/

I’m sure my curiosity on the matter will soon be satisfied.

:)

59. Aurore - February 10, 2014

@ 58

A few years back, there were talks of a Star Trek sequel before the movie was even released :

60. Marja - February 10, 2014

56 Dom, and AJ, I REALLY prefer the Henrikssen “Wallander” to Branagh.

If only because Henrikssen pronounces the name right!

I keed, I keed. I just prefer the Swedish series, I can’t say why. I think maybe there’s an element of them all being comfortable in their own country, speaking their own language and having their own “local” jokesThere’s an innate humanity that seems present as well; I get the same sense as I did from the books of how civilized the police are in Sweden.

The Swedish series puts less emphasis on the depression [Branagh's series accentuates this quite a bit] and more on good police work with world-weary Wallander. I did very much enjoy David Warner as the cranky old Wallander Senior in the BBC production, but it totally weirded me out, hearing the British accents.

I have to say, Krister Henrikssen is not who I pictured as Wallander as I read all the books [I pictured the author, actually, if you see his dust jacket photo he seems to be describing someone much like himself]. BUT Henrikssen acts the part so very, very well. And I get a warm feeling when I hear him call his dog Jussi for a walk on the beach, or when he drops by his Prosecutor neighbor’s house to share a bottle of wine. I love the gent who plays Nyberg, he’s perfect. I also like that the police station is right near the ferries.

I’ve been watching on Netflix, so I think I’ve seen only the Second Season? Perhaps it is Second and Third togeether, there are about 13 episodes, and nearly every one is a treat. First season is not available on Netflix.

Yeah, the last book [Troubled Man] was a bit of a bummer, but I felt it was rather realistic. Plus I think Mankell is doin’ a Sir Arthur Conan Doyle there.

61. Spockchick - February 10, 2014

I must be the only Brit on earth not to have seen any of these Scandi TV shows. It looked a bit too much like Scotland for comfort. There are so many! Borgen Wallander, The Bridge.

The French thriller series ‘Spiral’ (Engrenages in France) got excellent reviews here.

Aurore – have you seen it?

62. Aurore - February 10, 2014

“…Aurore – have you seen it?”
______

I haven’t.

63. CmdrR - February 10, 2014

Matt —

Wow. Who would have thunk a thread about a fan flick would turn so toxic. Kinda wish you’d perma-banned BlueThunder rather than shut down the comments, but it’s your call.

Hopefully, there are many more great fan films coming out and we’ll hear about/see them here.

Thanks for posting it.

64. Matt Wright - February 10, 2014

@ CmdrR – Don’t worry it’s closed temporarily as a cooling off period. I hear you guys, multiple people have reached out to me today about the issue. I’m going to take some action later today when I’m home. I had a little confab with the other couple of people helping me with the site.

65. Spockchick - February 10, 2014

@ 10. Matt and Harry

Doritos Ostrich? That’s old hat. Here in Scotland we’ve had our own Doritos Seagull since 2007!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/6907994.stm

@ 62 Aurore. I think I will see if it is on netflix :-)

66. Matt Wright - February 10, 2014

@ Spockchick – It never ceases to amaze me what brazen scavengers seagulls are.

67. TrekMadeMeWonder - February 10, 2014

Pity.

I was just going to comment on how I enjoyed the episode.
My one gripe would be that Courtney Stodden was not cast as the Orion slave.

But Lou was a great addition!

68. Matt Wright - February 10, 2014

@ CmdrR and TrekMadeMeWonder – The article has been re-posted with a clean slate, feel free to comment.

69. CmdrR - February 10, 2014

Samuel L. Jackson is sick of all these Monday-thru-Friday anchors mixing up his work.

http://ktla.com/2014/02/10/ktlas-sam-rubin-apologizes-to-samuel-l-jackson-after-laurence-fishburne-mix-up/#axzz2sxgT9ubv

70. CmdrR - February 10, 2014

Matt — I think a lot of us would love an article on how TrekMovie works. Something behind the scenes. Yes, we’d love to know who’s doing what these days.

That’s because… we’re nosy.

71. Harry Ballz - February 10, 2014

Matt, I like the way you’re running things. Well done!

72. Matt Wright - February 10, 2014

For now it’s pretty much just me keeping the site updated. A long time friend of TrekMovie (he’s had dinner with Anthony a few times when visiting LA) named Brian is also starting to help, his first article is the new ST Continues episode. Kayla is so busy with her PhD (and soon post-doc work) that she’s barely able to help these days. And that’s all we got right now :-/

I’ve been underemployed so I can keep an eye on the site throughout the work day, but that’s about to change, I just got a new job that’s going to keep me really busy. So we shall see what happens.

I’ve actually thought about an official “state of TrekMovie” article off and on over the last couple of months. Not sure if it would be helpful or just become a dumping ground for people to harass me about how I’ve been running the site.

Brian, Kayla and I have all tried to get in touch with Anthony repeatedly, with no success.

73. CmdrR - February 11, 2014

Congratulations on the new job, Matt. That comes first, of course. We just hope you can post some more great stuff once in awhile.

74. Silvereyes - February 11, 2014

First of all, thank you Matt, Brian and Kayla for giving your time to keep this site alive.

Now, I’m a bit confused here. Who owns this site anyway? I mean, who pays for the Internet access, hosting and whatnot? If it’s Anthony, it’s inconceavable to me that he just goes AWOL and lets others take care of his site. Even more so that he doesn’t even bother to return repeated attempts to contact him. If AP has no such relation to the site, then I have no problem whit him just leaving, we all have lives… But still he should thank those who have been loyal to this site for all these years, and at least have the respect and savoir vivre to say goodbye it’s been fun…

75. Matt Wright - February 11, 2014

@ Silvereyes – Tony’s paying for it. The site keeps staying up, so presumably Tony’s credit cards keep getting charged for hosting fees.

And he’s getting any advert revenue from the site too. None of us are getting anything monetary out of it.

He’s the owner, we can’t even try to get ownership or any administrative access to the server itself, if we wanted to, without his say-so. If you guys remember the hoopla over the trekmovie.com domain name expiring, we tried to convince the domain registration company to let us pay it, since we had no idea if it would lapse, or auto-renew, or what. Since we’re not the owner, we couldn’t touch it. Thankfully it auto-renewed, but if it hadn’t we’d be dead in the water. Undoubtedly TrekMovie.com would have been poached by people who buy up internet site names for the profit of flipping them, etc. etc.

I also have no control over the @trekmovie.com e-mail accounts, because he has the admin password to the actual webserver itself, I don’t. I can’t FTP files to it, etc. So mine is stuck on a permanent forward to another e-mail address I have. Since I’ve taken over the run of the site, I’d really like to not have my personal e-mail show-up when I reply to trekmovie stuff. I also can’t make a new TrekMovie e-mail address for any new people that help us out, and I can’t get into the the tips@trekmovie.com or feedback@trekmovie.com, etc. that are setup, they all forward to Tony’s e-mail address.

The only thing I can do is administer WordPress (what the site content runs on). So our hands are really tied when it comes to the nitty-gritty.

76. Silvereyes - February 11, 2014

Thank you Matt. Then AP’s I don’t give a s**t attitude is really surprising, and your (and everyone that helps) patience and tolerance is to be commended!

77. Phil - February 11, 2014

That explains at least one thing, I had roughed out an article just for consideration as a volunteer. Apparently I sent it to an inaccessible e-mail address. Either that, or it was horrible…

Kinda begs the question, is AP still alive?

78. Phil - February 11, 2014

@46. It’s funny to see the wife and I in the Exploder. She’s got the jacket, beanie, and scarf on, windows up, heater on full and the blower on high. I’m in short sleeves, and the window is usually down. Maybe it’s the blood pressure pills, we are both native Southern Californians….

79. AJ - February 11, 2014

Seems the new RoboCop reiteration is getting meh-to-decent reviews all around (53% on RT). I won’t touch it with a 10 meter cattle prod until it’s out for the small screen. Opens today, but you all know that already.

Loved the original too much, and can’t imagine it being reworked as a straight actioner without the satire. The old RoboCop? (No bloody 2, 3 or TV series)–I’d buy that for a dollar.

80. Marja - February 11, 2014

75, Dear Matt, I wonder if there is a place where folks like Phil and MJ could send ideas for potential articles. I’d enjoy seeing more articles …

Congrats on the new job. I hope the site doesn’t go away, but making a living takes priority.

I think it sucks that AP just “left it up to whoever” to manage the site and is still getting advert revenue from it. While you, the people who’ve taken up HIS slack aren’t even able to get access to fully run the site.

It’d be nice if the responsibility of running the site had been “officially” changed over, and could be passed on to other interested folk if/when you and Brian and Kayla don’t have time for it anymore.

Good grief. You guys put in the work, you should get some of the revenues ….

81. Matt Wright - February 11, 2014

Just an FYI matt at trekmovie dot com works, as I mentioned in my large comment earlier, it gets forwarded to another e-mail account I have. So I do see those e-mails. I just don’t always respond to them since replying exposes my personal e-mail address. I mean for many people I don’t mind, but I do try to be choosy and if it’s more of a comment and not something that necessarily needs direct feedback I tend to not reply.

But I do see ‘em, for example I got quite a bit of feedback about the fan film bashing debacle.

82. Aurore - February 12, 2014

“…So I do see those e-mails. I just don’t always respond to them since replying exposes my personal e-mail address. I mean for many people I don’t mind, but I do try to be choosy and if it’s more of a comment and not something that necessarily needs direct feedback I tend to not reply…”
________

Thank you so much, Matt.

Now I know what became of my multiple e-mails regarding my opinion that a certain Canadian “ostrich lover” had to be banned from this very site!

:)

83. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - February 12, 2014

Hey Matt. It’s great you and the other’s have been keeping this site going. Oh and by the way. A Big Thank you. As a poster for most of the time this site has been up it’s great to see. I am very disapointed that Pascale just quit like he did with out any notice. Also. I don’t usually post on the main feeds anymore because of the crap that people spew. But now that someone has taken charge. Maybe I just might.

84. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - February 12, 2014

82. Aurore – February 12, 2014
“…So I do see those e-mails. I just don’t always respond to them since replying exposes my personal e-mail address. I mean for many people I don’t mind, but I do try to be choosy and if it’s more of a comment and not something that necessarily needs direct feedback I tend to not reply…”
________

Thank you so much, Matt.

Now I know what became of my multiple e-mails regarding my opinion that a certain Canadian “ostrich lover” had to be banned from this very site!

I thought Erica Durance was already BANNED!. Lol

85. Aurore - February 12, 2014

“…I thought Erica Durance was already BANNED!. Lol”
________

Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire, Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire, Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire…

Have you EVAH read a comment from me in which I was mean to Miss Durance ; a fellow woman ???

…(Canadian) men, on the other hand…

Naturally, I have a good/rational excuse though ; I just hate men (and to some extent, Canadian people), in general.

:)

86. Silvereyes - February 12, 2014

@85 Aurore

“Naturally, I have a good/rational excuse though ; I just hate men (and to some extent, Canadian people), in general.”

Harry, Aurore is using reverse psychology… She adores Canadians and men… Well Aurore, having Harry as a prime example, who would blame you. I have my bromance moments myself with this guy!

Aurore, vive la France et les Français. On vous aime aussi!!

87. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - February 12, 2014

Hey Aurore. What Silver Eyes said!

88. Phil - February 12, 2014

@80…Agreed, and a tip of the hat to Matt. The wife and I helped a friend moderate a site a few years back, and in that instance, even when the owner was hands on, it was still quite the job. Kinda like running a pre-school by remote control. With 300 kids. Can’t imagine the issues when you might not have full access, and the owner is MIA.

89. Phil - February 12, 2014

@80 I can’t imagine there’s a ton of revenue coming in from ‘Date a Trekkie dot com”….

90. Matt Wright - February 12, 2014

@ Phil – LOL, yes I can’t imagine there’s much revenue now, but at one point, when Tony was actually keeping up the advert partnering programs, I think there was.
I’m far from 100% on this, but I got the impression that Tony’s job was all his geek endeavors, he didn’t have another “day job” that funded his Trek stuff. He owned TrekMovie, he contributed to Geek Monthly Magazine, and he was a consultant to the JJ’verse Comics, etc.

But I really don’t know for sure what his deal was, he was a very private person. None of us who contribute here know much about him personally.

91. Aurore - February 12, 2014

“RE advertrisers etc.

Yes this site makes money and that comes from affiliates and advertisors. However, if i shut down the comments section or if every person who ever made a comment stop coming to the site, it would have a negligible impact. The comments are a tiny fraction of overall traffic. The vast majority of people read (or dont read) the stories presented etc….”

…Thus spoke… “The One”…

:)

Link (if authorized) here :

http://trekmovie.com/2011/06/21/look-inside-cowboys-aliens-with-bob-orci-alex-kurtzman/

92. Aurore - February 12, 2014

“…But I really don’t know for sure what his deal was, he was a very private person. None of us who contribute here know much about him personally.”

___________

As I’ve said in the past, hopefully he is O.K.

93. Phil - February 12, 2014

@91. RE: your link: I’m guessing the grand master plan has a bit of dust on it, as well, now…

I was involved in putting together a currency site a few years back, and had the owner of the business actually closed a couple of advertising deals it would have covered a good portion of the cost of running the site. Until this becomes a serious drain on AP’s bottom line, I can’t imagine the site being shut down because of advertising dollars. Just the lack of them. Last I checked this site still draws some traffic.

94. Harry Ballz - February 12, 2014

@85+86

Ah, it’s good to be popular!

Or, as Mel Brooks would put it, “it’s GOOD to be the king!”

Aurore, keep it up and I’ll be tempted to show you MY ostrich!

Now, as to the rest of you crayon-chewing bed wetters……HAVE AT IT!

95. Harry Ballz - February 12, 2014

Sid Caesar, a comedy legend, has died at 91.

RIP

96. Spockchick - February 12, 2014

@ 95. Harry.

Coach Calhoun! The formative film of my adolescence (Grease). I’m very sorry to hear it, but he gave me much pleasure and 91! What a home run.

97. Spockchick - February 12, 2014

@. Harry (me again)

In ‘Wreck-it Ralph’, Jane Lynch plays ‘Calhoun’ bit of a stretch but I wonder if it was a homage, coz she was a shouty, feisty soldier. Much like the Coach in Grease.

98. AJ - February 12, 2014

94:

Harry….”Popular?”

How many people post here? Like 8?

I suppose you’ve been busy watching the Curling events from Sochi. It’s also Canadian with Scottish heritage. VERY “popular,” just like you!

Rob Ford? Now THAT’S popular.

(Wink, Wink, Harry. You know we love ya…)

99. AJ - February 12, 2014

Nimoy on Piers Morgan discusses smoking:

http://www.startrek.com/article/watch-nimoy-talks-copd-smoking-on-piers-morgan-live

100. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - February 12, 2014

All hail Harry. King of Ballz

101. Harry Ballz - February 12, 2014

@98

AJ, even if I’m only a legend in my own mind, that still makes me……wait for it…..legendary!

@100

Emperor Mike, ya got that right, muchacho!

102. Aurore - February 12, 2014

@ 94. Mr. Ballz

“Aurore, keep it up and I’ll be tempted to show you MY ostrich!”

______

Show me your ostrich, and, I might be tempted to help you keep ” IT “ up…

__________

@ the management

I refuse to be held accountable for any of “my ” past statements ; it wasn’t me.

:)

103. Aurore - February 12, 2014

“How many people post here? Like 8?…”
_______

More like 6.

“Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire”, and, “Silvereyes” are aliases I sometimes use.

104. Spockchick - February 13, 2014

@ 103. Aurore

LoL!

@ 98. AJ

I am mystified as to why we Scots are so mad on curling. The weather here is mild and wet, not exactly curling country. We got beat by Canada yesterday :-( *shakes fist at Harry’s general direction*

105. CmdrR - February 13, 2014

You are number 6.

I am a man, not a number.

You are number 6.

Who is number 1?!

106. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - February 13, 2014

Why Harry is #1
Harry ordered #2 to go take a #1.

107. Spockchick - February 13, 2014

Oh no! I’m frickin’ OLD

Rizzo from Grease (Stockard Channing) is 70 today!
Thanks to Rizzo who said: ‘Yeah, when I look into Kenickie’s eyes, something really does happen. … and I don’t know what it is, it’s like . . . like I either have to puke or pee”.

108. Harry Ballz - February 13, 2014

@102 Aurore “I might be tempted to help you keep “IT” up”

What, a stiff upper lip? My morale? My spirits? My hopes?

Oh, wait, I see, you were talking about “Mr. Happy”.

Just remember, Aurore, if you get really crazy, I might have to club you with it!

109. CmdrR - February 13, 2014

108 – Just remember, Aurore, if you get really crazy, I might have to club you with it! (Mr. Happy)

That would be assault with a friendly weapon.

110. Harry Ballz - February 13, 2014

Just remember, you can beat an egg, you can beat your meat, but you can’t beat a blow job!

111. CmdrR's eyes are glowing... and he forgets his middle name... - February 13, 2014

http://www.space.com/24692-mysterious-energy-ribbon-solar-system.html

MITCHELL!!!!!

112. Aurore - February 14, 2014

@ 108. Mr. Ballz

“…Just remember, Aurore, if you get really crazy, I might have to club you with it!”
________

:))

What is this?

A threat? A promise?
…A “threatening promise”, perhaps.

Whatever. I am terrified.

:)

113. Aurore - February 14, 2014

“108 – Just remember, Aurore, if you get really crazy, I might have to club you with it! (Mr. Happy)

‘That would be assault with a friendly weapon.'”

_________

I beg to differ, CmdrR.

We are still talking about Mr. Ballz’s ostrich, here.

THAT would be animal cruelty…

114. Aurore - February 14, 2014

@ 105.CmdrR.

With these few words, thank you for helping bring back memories of another (“old”) show I liked watching, years ago…

:)

115. Basement Blogger - February 14, 2014

@ 7

Thank you Aurore for that Count Basie. When I was at Ohio University (Athens, not The Ohio State University :-)) we played that arrangement of Duke Ellington’s “In a Mellow Tone.”

I’ll think of you when I play April in Paris at the jukebox and of course, the movie “Blazing Saddles” I also think of Spockchick when Scotland comes up in conversation. I would like to say I think of Scotland when I see the movie Braveeheart but iMel Gibson turned me off. Plus it’s full of historical inaccuracies. Okay, it’s still a very good movie.

116. Phil - February 14, 2014

@111. Great. I suppose I have to quit bitching about the Nexus being nothing more then a cheap plot device.

117. Marja - February 14, 2014

105, CmdrR, did we ever figure out what that mysterious great white ball was …? It was so threatening! I don’t think that question was ever answered.

Damn, I loved Patrick McGoohan [and that Jaguar XKE] in “Secret Agent” and in “The Prisoner” [I did not love the relentlessly cheery jitneys though] ….

115 Bernie, Good to see you back!

118. CmdrR - February 14, 2014

Phil,
Really? You saw Generations and The Nexus was the thing that spoiled the movie for you?

119. CmdrR - February 14, 2014

Marja,
The Prisoner is certainly a creature of the 60’s. I kinda would like to spend a few weeks at The Village, assuming the beachball o doom didn’t keep bringing me back. Love mod chicks in go go boots and dancing amoebas on the wall. McGoohan said The Prisoner was kind of a sequel to Secret Agent, kinda. And no, you are NOT getting all the answers. EVER.

120. CmdrR - February 14, 2014

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8-cp2yb43c

121. Silvereyes - February 14, 2014

@103 Aurore

“Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire”, and, “Silvereyes” are aliases I sometimes use…

Well Aurore, if you want to pretend I was you all along, maybe I can start flirting with Harry, as Aurore!

Please don’t make me do that…

122. Basement Blogger - February 14, 2014

Okay saw RoboCop. Here’s the short short review. It was cold as it is here in Cincinnati. Confusing action. Stick to the original. Quick memo to Samuel L. Jackson. No more dropping the F bomb. It’s a parody now and funny. But it’s distracting. Movie was still competent. Maybe in the future it will find an audience. The grade is B Minus.

Here’s the full review.

http://berniebasementblog.blogspot.com/2014/02/robocop-2014-review.html

123. Phil - February 14, 2014

@118. Well, no, but as so much of the movie is built around the Nexus picking on that is a fairly damning indictment of the movie as a whole. Definitely not one of Ron Moore’s better efforts….

124. Harry Ballz - February 14, 2014

Aurore and Silvereyes

Hey, instead of “ostrich”, maybe I should have said “bald eagle”?

M’yeah….I think so. “The eagle has landed….on your head!”

Break up into groups and discuss.

ps. if you’re going to flirt with me, at least buy me dinner! :>)

125. Aurore - February 14, 2014

@ 121. Aurore

“’Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire’, and, ‘Silvereyes’ are aliases I sometimes use…

Well Aurore, if you want to pretend I was you all along, maybe I can start flirting with Harry, as Aurore!

Please don’t make me do that…”

_________

Too late!

You…I… “We” already did…and, admitted to it, in a way :

“….Well Aurore, having Harry as a prime example, who would blame you. I have my bromance moments myself with this guy!”(post 86 on this page, of course).

…I don’t think I ever fooled anyone when these “bromance moments” occurred ; people knew what was going on, all along…

…Oh, great…Now the “ostrich/bald eagle” dude we are flirting with wants me to buy him dinner…

:)

126. Aurore - February 14, 2014

@ 115

It’s been a while, Bernie!!!

I’m happy to see you could visit Chat. I hope everything is fine with you.

Regarding the videos ; my pleasure!

Here is another something I (also) hoped you would listen to. For years, I thought this was a Gilberto Gil’s song, but, found out otherwise, only a few weeks ago :

(Link if authorized, here) :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bwg3mu3Xak

127. CmdrR - February 14, 2014

Harry’s flirting is so bad, he’s probably spending this Valentine’s choking the ostrich… ifyouknowwhatImean…

128. Aurore - February 14, 2014

“Harry’s flirting is so bad, he’s probably spending this Valentine’s choking the ostrich… ifyouknowwhatImean…”

_________

Don’t say that, please.

…”Choking” it as though the “ostrich/bald eagle”… owed him money?…

…More animal cruelty?…

Mais, que fait la police ?!

129. AJ - February 14, 2014

Guys, Harry’s ostrich has probably been dead for years…

130. CmdrR - February 14, 2014

So that’s why Harry buries his ostrich’s head in the sand!

131. Harry Ballz - February 14, 2014

AJ, guys who are hung like a tit mouse shouldn’t be pointing fingers!

Although, I guess when your finger is the longest digit on your body……..I guess you’re happy that anything sticks out!

132. Mitchell - February 14, 2014

Robocop was amazing! Awesome film! I really felt it would be when i read years ago about the hell the director and crew were going through to fight for the original vision of Robocop rather than just turn out another formula reboot.

Best film of 2014 so far, ahead of The Lego Movie and Monuments Men lol.

79. AJ – February 11, 2014
Verhoven took the original somewhere special but that’s not where it was intended to be. I commend this team for respecting the first vision of the story and trying to take it back to the beginning.

Robocop rocks either way.

133. AJ - February 15, 2014

Just watched the US hockey team beat the Russkies on livestream from Sochi. Great game! Go USA!

134. Spockchick - February 15, 2014

@ 133. AJ.

OMGFG! Also watched. What a nail-biting penalty shoot-out! Myself, FiL, and husband all on edge of seats!

Quite enjoying the down-hill tea-tray too!

135. Matt Wright - February 15, 2014

@117 – Marja — Apparently the white ball was called “Rover”, I had no idea it was given a name. It was mentioned by name twice according to Wikipedia. I haven’t seen all of The Prisoner and it was about 7 years ago, but I really liked it. It’s such a product of its time (in a good way).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rover_(The_Prisoner)

136. AJ - February 15, 2014

132:

Mitchell:

I am glad someone likes Robocop.the Remake. It has certainly generated loads of angry ‘press’ (on the Internet, so not really). I just remember the spiritless remake of “Total Recall,” and when you remove the Voerhoeven-ness from one of his original films, the concept just deflates.

Obviously, MGM (?) is combing the vaults for slam-dunk remakes at this point instead of doing anything original. Not that anyone does that anymore. Thing is, Total Recall failed, and Robocop ain’t making the numbers either. LEGO stole the week from them, and for newbies, ‘RoboCop’ as a brand-name probably just has no resonance, despite the big-ticket talent therein.

137. Marja - February 15, 2014

135 Matt, Hee! Great minds think alike, then consult Wikipedia :-)

“The Prisoner” episodes can be viewed on Youtube, apparently … I may check them out to remember “days of yore.”
———————————
Guys, if you want to see some intense, biting, and funny family drama, check out “August: Osage County.” Fabulous, dangerous, amazing performances.

Meryl Streep is a national treasure.

138. Basement Blogger - February 15, 2014

President Hollande of France came to the White House state dinner without a date. The person who was supposed to sit next to Michelle Obama was to be that person. So, Stephen Colbert took her seat. According to Colbert, he’s First Lady of France.

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/433058/february-12-2014/white-house-state-dinner

139. Matt Wright - February 15, 2014

@ Marja – they don’t seem to be on YouTube any more, but they were put there by Crackle (a free streaming service owned by Sony), so I went and found them there :-)
http://www.crackle.com/c/the-prisoner

140. Harry Ballz - February 15, 2014

Watched the movie “42” last night. Enjoyed it.

Reminded me of the way movies USED to be made.

141. Harry Ballz - February 15, 2014

Watched the movie “42” last night. Enjoyed it.

Reminded me of the way movies USED to be made.

142. Harry Ballz - February 15, 2014

oooops.

143. Aurore - February 16, 2014

“Watched the movie ’42’ last night. Enjoyed it.
Reminded me of the way movies USED to be made.”
________

I had not heard of the movie 42 before, Mr. Ballz.
Thank you for sharing.

144. Spockchick - February 16, 2014

@ 142, 141, 140, 139 Harry

Did you watch it 3 times? Anyhoo, it looks interesting, and I am fairly sure it didn’t come out in the UK.

Not the same thing at all, but I am awfully fond of ‘The Stratton Story’ with Jimmy Stewart. Love his acting in it.

145. Aurore - February 16, 2014

@ 126

…By the way, regarding the link , yes ; it’s Stevie Wonder’s harmonica!

:)

146. CmdrR - February 16, 2014

Saw “Dallas Buyers Club.”
Wow. I totally only watched it out of vague boredom, but wow. Matthew McConaughey is terrifyingly good in this. I confess, I’ve always seen him as a pretty boy actor, but his previous beachboy/glib persona makes a great starting point for this guy who falls and must rise. And no amount of makeup can replace dropping half your body mass to play an AIDS patient. Yikes!
Anyway, everyone does a great job. The preachiness never gets out of hand. And the fistfights only lasted a few seconds each, as if they were supposed to be believable or something.. Hmmm. I’d definitely recommend it, but not as a date flick. ;-)

147. Harry Ballz - February 16, 2014

@143 Aurore

You are welcome! I look forward to hearing your opinion of the movie.

148. Marja - February 16, 2014

141 Harry, I saw “Monuments Men” today and had that same feeling. Good flick, dramatic story, honorable deeds done by honorable men to counter the evil done by others …. I LOVED IT.

“42,” for those who might not know, was about the baseball player Jackie Robinson integrating the major leagues in the late 1940s. A very good movie and I loved seeing Harrison Ford doing character acting!

143 Aurore, I wondered if it was Stevie Wonder! His harmonica playing is pretty special. I love Djavan, thanks for posting that link. Have you heard Ivan Lins? Also from Brazil and a wonderful singer. He’s’ another favorite.

146 CmdrR, I saw “Dallas Buyers’ Club” and IT BLEW ME AWAY. McConaughy gave a masterful performance.

I AM STILL ANGRY AS HELL WITH PHILIP SEYMOUR HOFFMAN FOR USING DRUGS. He was up there with Streep in my opinion, for great acting skilz. He will be missed greatly by this moviegoer.

149. AJ - February 16, 2014

If you like McConaughy, you should be watching “True Detective” during its initial run on HBO. He has added “scary” and “explosive” to his repertoire, all under a calm creole exterior. And Woody Harrelson is terrific as well as his sidekick/co-star.

150. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - February 17, 2014

Anyone here watch The Walking Dead. Best show on T,V

151. CmdrR - February 17, 2014

I’ve been watching Dead faithfully. I like it, but they REALLY need to set an endpoint and give us an over-arching plot. The zombies shoulda starved out YEARS ago. All we get is gore-galore. We NEED to know what they’re going for. The characters have hinted that that’s the plan. I don’t know the books, but have read that Abraham & Co. are a big part of the plot. We’ll see.

152. Marja - February 17, 2014

149 AJ, Believe you me, if I had HBO, I’d be watching it, for both McConaughey and his co-star. Great actors both.

153. Silvereyes - February 17, 2014

For my part, I really enjoyed the last season (3rd I believe) of American Horror Story. Jessica Lange’s acting is superb. Quite a lady, even though she plays a b… (kind of).

I’m way behind in my movie going… Just saw Gravity. The most boring, annoying movie in years. Bullock is just impossible to endure and Clooney’s character as well. Sorry for the negativity, but there’s just nothing in that movie that I liked. Watching paint dry or cleaning my cat’s litter is more exciting than that…

@125 Aurore… That’s brilliant! Now I can never convince anyone here I truly exist… “Je veux revoir ma Normannndiii-e…”

154. AJ - February 17, 2014

153:

Silvereyes:

When you care so much about bagels migrating across international borders, then you must exist.

When the Canadian national hockey team leaves Sochi next week with a non- gold medal in their grasp, you will again feel the clammy clutch of existence, and you will let everyone know about it.

155. Harry Ballz - February 17, 2014

AJ, tell us how your “clammy clutch” keeps you company every night!

156. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - February 17, 2014

On the Walking Dead I would hope that one day they reveal how it all started and show some what the Govt tried to do. I understand that eventually we will here one of the walkers talk and some of the animals may become Zombies.

157. AJ - February 18, 2014

155:

The clammier the better, Harry. Otherwise, you get chafing.

Hockey update: Slovenia just defeated Austria 4-0. The bigger news comes in an hour when Russia plays 12th-ranked Norway for a berth in the quarterfinals. The Russians (the nation) are sweating bullets after the shaky OT win over Slovakia via shootout on Sunday and the loss to the US the day before. I am sure the team is as well. Putin will most likely be in attendance as usual to sneer at them if they fail.

158. Harry Ballz - February 18, 2014

157:

Well, AJ, at least you save a fortune in hand lotion!

159. Silvereyes - February 18, 2014

@154 AJ

Alright, I’ve been behaving, not wanting to make an issue out of something the Universe knows as obvious. First thing, bagels are a Montreal tradition. They did not migrate here from NY-land. They are as Montreal as smoked meat and hockey!

Secondly, my desk is right now awash with spit and drool as my mouth is watering at the taste of dead American hockey meat, when both your pseudo-hockey teams, men and women, will get the ultimate reality check when both Canadian hockey teams will serve them their asses on a plate.Yes, at that time I will indeed feel alive!!

160. CmdrR - February 18, 2014

156 – Emp, Except for the horse in the opening and a bunch of ill-fated deer, owls, and cows throughout, we haven’t seen many animals at all. I would have expected dogs and cats to show up, maybe some buzzards, but the show doesn’t seem interested in them, zombified or otherwise. As for talking zombies… meh. What have they got to say? “I’m hungry. You got any brains? Just came from Washington. As I say, I’m hungry.”

Right now, the show has set up a possible sanctuary, “Terminus.” Other possibilities: a weapons that kills all zombies (doubtful and disappointing); the zombies win (bummer ending); Space Jesus saves the world (there aren’t many ways to end this now that it’s gone on so long).

Point is, we’ve passed the “sell by” date for a plausible ending. This is why “Lost” went from cool to sucky. It just feels like we’re waiting for main characters to die. Ugh.

161. CmdrR - February 18, 2014

Oh, in the opener of season 2 or 3, we did get a cool flashback showing the first set of campers watching the military try to firebomb the zombies in downtown Atlanta. Obviously, THAT didn’t work.

162. Silvereyes - February 18, 2014

@161 CmdrR

“zombies in downtown Atlanta…”

I thought that show was fiction…

I keed…

163. AJ - February 18, 2014

159:

Silvereyes:

First of all, I am the only master Canadian bater that actually goes to Canada for my source material. I don’t just sit around reading Wikipedia about you guys. I know for a fact, for example, that our NYC bagels are baked with steam, and that the famous Montreal-“style” bagels are prepared on a wood fires before being finished off in the microwave. Different European Jewish diasporas, different bagel techniques. So there’s that…

Secondly, as for hockey, I feel ‘alive’ right now, because, frankly, I don’t give a crap about it. I know there was a time when the US used to wonder why Canadians made up most of its NHL, and the few American players would kinda sit out while they played. These days, we both sit out while the Russians, Swedes and Finns skate around all stinky-like while we warm the benches in US and Canadian arenas together. Also, as for men’s and women’s teams, ringette doesn’t count–the Canadian men have to play actual ice-hockey for the Olympics. I am sure your women will do just fine, because I am not following women’s hockey at all.

In all actuality (for real this time), I am an American living in a country just teaming with Russians who think they were robbed of a game-winning goal by an American ref the other day in a rematch of 1980 Lake Placid. Even the head of the Russian LGBT movement and leader of the opposition to Putin were cursing the US team and their ref on Twitter, so, I avoid gloating (except to the boys in the sales department—they can kiss my kiester). I need to gloat more, so I come to the Star Trek site and badger the few Canadians I know who can’t hit me, and who will come straight back at me with their best. Hell, there is no Star Trek to talk about, so why not?

And, I enjoy badgering Canadians. You’re all so polite!

164. Silvereyes - February 18, 2014

@163 AJ

Our bagels are indeed done on a wood fire, as far as being finished off in a microwave, I’ll asume that’s a lie. Now, did I read this correctly? NYC bagels are steamed? There is nothing appealing in a bagel that has the consistency of Harry’s ostrich. Sorry.

As for hockey, of course you don’t give a crap about it, being American. Tractor pulling or college football is your thing or the wonderful rapid pace-excitement of baseball with their spitting fat-men players who have the cardio and fitness of an elephant seal (unless doped up on steroids)… But back to hockey, Canada will beat Russia too and you could still gloat to your Russian collegues as their team was beaten by North American pigs.

Don’t dismiss women’s hockey so fast. The two best teams in the world, and we’re talking about absolute domination of the rest of the world, are Canada and USA and they are of equal calibre. It does make for excellent hockey…

165. CmdrR - February 18, 2014

@161 CmdrR

“zombies in downtown Atlanta…”

I thought that show was fiction…

I keed…

So you’re driving I-85.

166. Spockchicks - February 18, 2014

UK Curlers in he semi-final! Yay!

167. Aurore - February 18, 2014

@ 147. Mr. Ballz – February 16, 2014

“…You are welcome! I look forward to hearing your opinion of the movie.”

_______

Yes.

First, I intend to watch a movie with a “dark edge ” to it, according to what you told me a few weeks ago. Which surprised me given the kind of movie we were referring to.

I’ll know what to think of the film in question, soon enough…

…Then, I’ll watch 42 .

Thank you again for the recommendation.

168. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - February 18, 2014

#165. Yes. Zombies in Atlanta,Washington D.C,New York,and all of Ca. Lol.

As for dogs my guess is that they became Hot Dogs for the Walkers. I read that the purpose of the walkers and as for where they keep going will slowly be revealed and that the new people of Abraham and the teacher he is with needs to get to Washington for some reason. So things may be picking up.

169. AJ - February 18, 2014

164: Silvereyes:

Sorry to keep leapfrogging the ‘zombies in Atlanta’ discussion (you’d think the snow was enough to moan about), but, yes. Latvia upset Switzerland yesterday, and they have their beady eyes set on Canada today. The Russians may break a sweat or mess up the matchup with Finland, and the US should wipe up the ice with Czech Republic. Sweden should finally send the Slovenes (?) home. Slovenians? I have a hockey fan friend who feeds me this stuff, so I am sure I am mostly accurate.

As for the sports Americans like, you missed NASCAR, though none of those you mentioned is as bad as curling. I blame Spockchick and Harry’s Scottish heritage for that, and not Canada. Though you all seem a bit too obsessed with it up there. Not much else to do, I guess when it’s 20 below and Family Day (I know, not in Quebec).

The Latvians are notorious drunks. Even moreso than the Canadians. Russians steer clear of them. Good luck in the match-up today.

170. CmdrR - February 18, 2014

Walkers will bite all the hockey players (while leaving Glen and Maggie alone ’cause they’re so darn cute together) and turn this into the Zombielympics. If you thought Detroit had gross game traditions, just wait… Unfortunately, the Sochi Games will now go on for 8 years with a very disappointing ending.

171. AJ - February 18, 2014

170:

CmdrR:

We can always cut the Zombie Sochi Olympics to four years, with a mammothly overweight Commander Riker noshing bon-bons as the ship’s chef in a holodeck simulation as the final hour of television. A “Valentine to the Fans.”

172. CmdrR - February 19, 2014

We can always cut the Zombie Sochi Olympics to four years, with a mammothly overweight Commander Riker noshing bon-bons as the ship’s chef in a holodeck simulation as the final hour of television. A “Valentine to the Fans.”

Who came up with that idea, Shirtless Putin or some other tyrant who’s out of touch with the people/fans?

173. Silvereyes - February 19, 2014

@169 AJ

AJ, your hockey assessment is spot-on, except that now I can add the update that the Russians have been expulsed by the Finns. Good news for Canada and USA.

I don’t know how I could have forgotten NASCAR. Can’t get more American than that. I’m a pansy French-Canadian of mostly French descent (with some Scottish as well, yay curling!), so I prefer Formula 1 and all it’s pretentious European fanfare and the F1 race in Montreal is quite an event, but still I had the chance to see NASCAR when they came here a few years back. Loved it, the power is quite impressive and you gotta admit, very little beats the Daytona 500 as far as sport happenings go. Gotta love those crazy Americans, filling up a 100,000 stadium to watch cars go round-and-round… Just listening to the drivers talk is entertainment enough for this almost-but-not-quite-native-english-speaker.

Your worldly knowledge continues to impress me AJ as indeed, there is no Family day in Quebec. We eat our children here. And unfortunately, the Latvians are probably going to beat the Canadians, as I fear they will underestimate their opponent…

So far in the Olympics, except for the first few days, we have been very good at crashing in short track speed skating. Go USA!

174. CmdrR - February 19, 2014

News Flash: Sir Patrick: Not Gay.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/19/patrick-stewart-outed-gay_n_4814994.html

Nicely tweeted, Sir.

175. Basement Blogger - February 19, 2014

@ 126

Aurore,

Thanks for the pretty Brazilian song. Sorry for the delay in responding. I missed it. Old eyes. Plus, I’ll admit I’ve been playing a lot of Grand Theft Auto V. Hey I’m evil. :-)

176. Spockchick - February 19, 2014

@ 175. BB

Apparently in GTA V there is a dig at our epic (epically fkn ANNOYING for residents) works to install trams in Edinburgh. Here are the Scottish references:

http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/gta-v-s-scottish-references-and-easter-eggs-1-3106218

Thanks for thinking of Scotland when you think of me! And now when you play GTA V!

177. CmdrR - February 19, 2014

So, Scotland has GTA V. It’s still safer than driving (or walking) in Atlanta now that we’re getting Justin Bieber. Like all the damn zombies weren’t bad enough…

BTW, Karen Gillan is coming out with a new show, Selfie, on ABC.

178. Marja - February 19, 2014

174, CmdrR, I guess “The Guardian” must have seen Sir Ian’s tweet about Sir Pat’s wedding Sunny Ozell in September: “I’m going to marry Patrick Stewart!” [He officiated at the ceremony.] And Sir Ian is out and proud :-)

And your 177 – Like Karl Urban, I used to think a “selfie” was something completely different. Something perhaps in Harry Ballz’s area of expertise … or AJ’s, as he is a master Canadian bater.

179. CmdrR - February 19, 2014

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=115058#/slide/1

Dang it, every time I shop for clothes at “House of Black,” they’re sold out of all the good stuff. Some jerks in a Blackbird take up like 18 parking spots and clean out the store. Every time!

180. AJ - February 19, 2014

178:

Marja:

My job is to hold it for Barbara Walters.

To my knowledge, she is not a Canadian, but she sure is a bater.

181. AJ - February 19, 2014

Silvereyes (and Harry by default)

USA-Canada tomorrow at noon your time. Buckle up!

Honestly, I am scared of Finland.

The Russian “team” is now being written about as THE team which disgraced the Motherland on home ice during the country’s first ever Winter Olympics. And, by the way, that stigma won’t be remembered and carried down just for the rest of their, and our lives, but forever! For the rest of history, guys. You suck THAT much.

Roddenberry was right: the Russians can be like Klingons at times.

182. Phil - February 20, 2014

Ron Burgundy mini-me is an X-Man?

183. Basement Blogger - February 20, 2014

@ 176

Spockchick, Harry Ballz, AJ

Yeah, game developer Rockstar North is located in Scotland. It’s great that the guys know a lot about America since they’re dead on in lampooning it in Grand Theft Auto V. I especially love them ripping the right wing in this country via fake radio stations in the game. Funny stuff.

And so I don’t leave out our Harry Ballz and AJ. Whenever Mayor Ford comes up in the news, I think of Harry Ballz. I keeeed. Toronto makes me think of Harry Ballz.

When I see Russia, I think of Pussy Riot. I keeeed. I keeeeed. I think about AJ.

184. CmdrR - February 20, 2014

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/10/01/peter-dinklage-x-men/

Tyrion is a mutant?

185. LizardGirl - February 20, 2014

Finally, Guardians of the Galaxy trailer is here! Sorry for the long absence. I will try to pop in here more often! >_<

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTZ2Tp9yXyM

186. Harry Ballz - February 20, 2014

@183

Basement Blogger, glad to hear how AJ and I make you think about Ballz and Pussy!

Keep up the good work!

187. crazydaystrom - February 21, 2014

From the trailer it looks like Guardians of the Galaxy is going to be a fun movie. There’s a lot of debate about it but if it ‘clicks’ it’s going to be another big hit for Marvel. I’m looking forward to it.

188. CmdrR - February 21, 2014

GoG looks good. I don’t think I’d want a trilogy, though. Not the way they make them now, where #2 references all the best jokes from #1, and #3 kills a main character just because it can.

189. LizardGirl - February 21, 2014

Yeah, it feels like Avengers. Actually it kind of is a tie in to Avengers because they do team up with them. The character’s don’t look like they take themselves too seriously. Someone compared them to the series Firefly…good guys that aren’t really good guys, mercenaries. I read a GoG comic book last year and it was pretty good, with lots of snark (mainly coming from Rocket the racoon). I’m definitely looking forward to it.

190. Basement Blogger - February 21, 2014

@ 186

Um… I’m speechless but I’ve got a big smile on my face. Saw interview with Pussy Riot on Colbert. Anyone can join the Pussy Riot according to them. Yeah I would like to join the Pussy Riot.

191. Marja - February 21, 2014

183 I think of AJ watching Pussy Riot.

Sadly, one of the group members got whipped by a Cossack during a demonstration the other day. My opinion of Cossacks now echoes TOS Chekov’s. And Putin seems to act like one. The authorities OK’d the Cossacks enforcing the law b/c they aren’t required to hew to police guidelines. For fecksake Putin, going back to the old days?

189 LizardGirl, Nice to see ya. And if it’s snarky I’ll probably enjoy GotG too. One thing I love about Marvel is the humor.

192. Marja - February 21, 2014

184 CmdrR, a mutant who dresses like Ron Burgundy no less :-p

193. CmdrR - February 21, 2014

If the movie is a big hit, we’ll all be wearing 70’s p*rn moustaches.

194. AJ - February 21, 2014

Kudos to our neighbors to the north. Canada got what it deserved last night, and that was a win in a tight ‘n’ tough one vs. an equally great US team. But the score is the thing, and the Canadian men (and women) had what it took to win this week on the ice.

Good luck tomorrow vs. Sweden. Rip those girlymen a new one, please.

195. CmdrR - February 22, 2014

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/66249

Just a hair more Rocket…

196. Marja - February 22, 2014

OK I may not like Brad Cooper that much as an actor, but I reckon I’ll be able to enjoy Rocket Raccoon. Cooper is a damn good actor but for some reason he rubs my fur the wrong way. At least this worked to good effect in “American Hustle” because the character was a pain in the ass too.

Rocky Raccoon! … Now the doctor came in/stinking of gin, and proceeded to lie on the table /he said “Rocky you’ve met your match” /and Rocky said “Doc it’s only a scratch/And I’ll be better, I’ll be better just as soon as I am able, yaaahhh …d’doo d’doo d’doo doo doo doo …”

DAMN I’M OLD

197. Aurore - February 23, 2014

@ 175. Evil Cincinnati Basement Gamer

“…Old eyes…”

___________

:)

Here is a little suggestion to rest them “old eyes”.

Every now and again, and, only if you so choose, close your eyes. Then, listen to this (or something similar), for a while :

(Link if authorized, here) :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkzwNOTkGOs

198. Harry Ballz - February 23, 2014

As to hockey…….(clears throat)…………………

“WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS, WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS….”

Well, sheeit, our country is known for the sport, we BETTER be good at it!

199. CmdrR - February 23, 2014

I believe Monsieur Le Ballz is going to be insufferably pleased with himself for at least a month.

200. Harry Ballz - February 23, 2014

Why should this month be any different?

201. CmdrR - February 23, 2014

OK, Harry, but after you self-please this month, you must clean up your mess. The floors are sticky enough as it is.

202. Aurore - February 23, 2014

I’ve just watched the movie 42 and enjoyed it !

203. Harry Ballz - February 23, 2014

@201

Don’t worry, CmdrR, any mess I make doesn’t tend to hit the floor.

@202

I’m glad you enjoyed it, Aurore.

204. Silvereyes - February 23, 2014

@199 CmdrR

And Monsieur Yeux d’argent aussi will be insufferable…

Don’t trust the Russian government though. They hired coaches from other countries to improve their chances at being first in medal count (which is no big deal I confess) but they even recruited athletes from outside Russia. There’s this Korean dude and Vic Wild who’s actually American who just happened to marry a Russian woman…

How much was he paid to represent Russia and not the USA? He won 2 gold I think… How can you be American and stand there on the podium listening to the Russian anthem?

I know, I’m being a bitchy sore loser… ok, ok… Go Russia! They did do a fantastic job with the Olympics…

205. Mitchell - February 23, 2014

136. AJ – February 15, 2014
the 2014 Robocop lives up to the logline from the original: Part Man. Part Machine. ALL Cop.

206. Mitchell - February 23, 2014

136. AJ – February 15, 2014
the 2014 Robocop lives up to the logline from the original: Part Man. Part Machine. ALL Cop.

207. LizardGirl - February 23, 2014

WOAH!!!
Has anyone here seen the TV series Heroes (yah know, with Zach Quinto)?

Well…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXUjpHHfTLY

OH MY GOD IT’S COMING BACK!!!! I CAN’T EVEN….!!! *#@#r$*&!

208. AJ - February 23, 2014

Yes, ‘Heroes’ is the one with the creator, Tim Kring, who called his fans “dipshits” for not knowing how to watch the series properly due to the use of DVRs (This is when the show was sucking wind, and was eventually canceled).

Congrats to Canada for showing the world that hockey is a Canadian sport. Consistently great. Kudos.

209. CmdrR - February 24, 2014

Heroes, the show about strange and wondrous characters who show up and get killed.

I stuck with that turkey too long the first time.

210. LizardGirl - February 24, 2014

Heey! Why the hate for Heroes? AJ, um we do have Bob so…we’re used to that. The best solution is to get over it. Anyways, the ones who took offense were probably the ones complaining in the first place, imo. I’ve seen enough of that (complain and then get offended when called out for it) here.

And yeah season 2 and 3 were kind of…but afterwards was better. Especially the last season. The cliffhanger was unbearable for me so I’m completely stoked for this!

And I can’t be the only one who’s excited. When I posted my earlier comment that vid only had a little over 500,000 views and had been up for about 15 hours. Now it’s over 2 million today.

211. Harry Ballz - February 24, 2014

Well, off to Ottawa (yawn) on business. Back tomorrow night.

212. Marja - February 24, 2014

207 LizardGirl, Well, that’s interesting. Here’s hoping Kring adheres logically to the storylines he himself sets up, and here’s hoping he has a good budget so we don’t end up with great SFX one month [my favorite effect was the stopped time, everyone frozen in position - always beautifully done] and almost no SFX the next month.

Remember Nathan’s huge confrontation with Sylar in Season 3? It took place behind closed doors, ‘cos they didn’t have the budget to actually show it. I mean, great “cover,” but sad that they didn’t have the budget. And the “dirt-throwing contest” at Season 4’s end, between Samuel and Sylar, was just … stupid.

The end of Season 4 was intriguing though. How would the world react to Claire’s announcement of superhuman powers among a group of special people?

The problem with “Heroes” was, for the most part, Kring. He would bring the storyline to a certain point and then carom into a whole different storyline altogether that didn’t fit, never completing the first, or giving the first storyline short shrift with an inauthentic, silly end. It seemed to me he was hoping no one would notice, which was rather insulting.

Nevertheless, I’m excited – the actors were all likable and no matter how goofy the storylines, always gave 100%. I hope Quinto will be able to reprise Sylar, if only occasionally. I really doubt he wants to commit to living in LA again, and he’s said repeatedly that he wants to do more theatre, which would leave him little availability for 22 episodes/year. Unless he does one last, bang-up year, with An End To Sylar. They’d lose fans with such a thing, for sure.

Personally I was never crazy about the way they used Claire in storylines either. Mostly she was a distraction or a “problem” for HRG, convenient for his dumb decisions in various storylines.

213. LizardGirl - February 24, 2014

@Marja

LOL, agree about the whole Claire thing. I was getting tired of that. I didn’t think Niki (single mother with super strength) should have died. And we don’t know what actually became of her son.

Also, Peter was the BOSS in season 1. And then…not so much. He should’ve totally been the “Superman” of the series. Or maybe Batman. But not Rogue.

Either way, I wish to see where they will take the story. I personally think it should be some years after the finale. And we can find out how that night at the circus changed the world through the lives of a new cast of individuals.

214. Marja - February 24, 2014

Addendum, LG, Zachary Quinto says he probably won’t/wouldn’t reprise Sylar. Around minute 14:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA5Z7oMLZe4

215. LizardGirl - February 24, 2014

Ah…

216. AJ - February 24, 2014

RIP Harold Ramis.

May he rest in peace with his collection of spores, mold and fungus…

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/25/movies/harold-ramis-who-helped-redefine-what-makes-us-laugh-on-screen-dies-at-69.html?hpw&rref=arts

217. Marja - February 25, 2014

I remember Ramis was the cutest one in “Ghostbusters.”

And what a wit, “Animal House,” oh god, lulz galore.

218. Phil - February 25, 2014

Groundhog Day is a brilliant piece of filmmaking…

219. CmdrR - February 25, 2014

I didn’t realize just how many of my fav comedies are because Harold Ramis was a goof with a pen. RIP and thanks.

Meanwhile… 2 bits of nerd-a-rific news here:

http://www.avclub.com/article/today-in-revival-news-a-new-farscape-movie-is-in-t-201465

GoT gone by 2016? So, Winter really is coming… soon!
And a new HBO project! Yay. That’s one more season that I don’t have to grow up.
Also… I just finished re-watching the entire run of Farscape. Man, that was a fun series. The cultural references (of which there are tons) are a little dated now (Max Headroom, anyone?) but the characters are vivid and the sfx are pretty. I’d like to see a new series, although I’m not a fan of teen tackles the galaxy. Ah well, we’ll see. Sadly, if Rigel shows up, he’ll have a different voice as Jonathan Hardy has since passed. Still… will be happy to see the new movie/possible series.

220. Phil - February 25, 2014

Got to step away…Herbert is more irritating then usual….

221. Harry Ballz - February 25, 2014

Home from Ottawa. How do I get the boredom out of my f*cking head??

222. AJ - February 25, 2014

221:

Harry:

You have to stop using your superpowers when you travel. A “sinkhole,” eh? And it was just a coincidence that it happened the same week you’re there?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/road-collapse-leaves-8-metre-wide-sinkhole-at-tunnelling-site-1.2546074

223. Harry Ballz - February 25, 2014

Quite right, AJ.

The moment I arrived in Ottawa, I felt compelled to start digging my own grave.

At least it gave me something to do in that boring-as-shit town!

Damn it, I crave excitement!

224. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - February 25, 2014

Ramis was a Comedy Genous. His work in Stripes and Ghost buster’s are classics. He will be missed.

225. Aurore - February 26, 2014

“Damn it, I crave excitement!”
_________

… BE the excitement you crave for…and, you’ll never have to get the boredom out of your f*cking head…

So-called… “spiritual leader”…said so. Somewhere. I swear.

:)

226. Harry Ballz - February 26, 2014

Aurore, I said I crave EXCITEMENT, not ENLIGHTENMENT!

DUH!

Don’t go all Deepak Chopra on my ass!

227. CmdrR - February 26, 2014

Harry, I believe the original name was Ottawavegoodbyetodiddump, but they shortened it.

228. CmdrR - February 26, 2014

disdump

F*ggin’ Typonians!

229. Spockchick - February 26, 2014

Very sorry bout Harold Ramis, he was a great writer and director.

I have been watching re-runs of cheers, and saw an episode again that broke my heart. Coach and his daughter. Prepare to cry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAr7jsr0qZQ

230. Marja - February 26, 2014

219 Cmdr R, GoT may be gone by 2015 b/c G.R.R. Martin hasn’t written past book 7 yet. I’ll be interested to see if he gets the next volume done soon. From pictures of him, I’m concerned for his longevity, but he may prove an exception to the general rule ….

220 Phil, Herbert is Herbert. Like Keachick he can sometimes be irritating as hell to some folks, for me he’s sometimes a total loony [Conspiracy Nut] or an eccentric who occasionally speaks to a spiritual view I hold, and like me, he seldom accedes to living his spiritual beliefs :-P … Keachick I don’t find nearly as irritating, except when she gets onto a “desired storyline” … there are others who irritate me far more, like the IDIC person, who changes the remainder of her name periodically ….

AJ, you didn’t happen to be in Flori-duh last year, did you? Giant sinkholes here ….

231. Aurore - February 26, 2014

“…I said I crave EXCITEMENT, not ENLIGHTENMENT!
DUH!
Don’t go all Deepak Chopra on my ass!”
__________

I personally find enlightenment exciting, but, fine.

…Sir? Since you mentioned your ass.

In lieu of letting me go all New Age guru on it , would you allow me to…..right. Right.

I understand. I was joking anyway…

:)

232. Phil - February 26, 2014

@230. You are way to kind – While I don’t often agree with Rose, she has always impressed me that she has arrived at her worldview through education and experience, and I can respect that. Herbert, on the other hand, just repeats things he hears. If it ended there, I doubt we would be having this conversation, but to be constantly berating anyone who isn’t also in rapt awe with whatever bright shiny object has his attention at the moment is just irritating….I suspect there is more to his personality then what we are touching on here, lets just say the guy needs professional help and leave it there. To that end, some compassionate consideration probably is in order.

233. Harry Ballz - February 26, 2014

Aurore, when you talk about my ass like that…..

it makes me want to bend over and crack a smile!

234. Marja - February 26, 2014

232, Agreed on Rose; she’s eccentric sometimes but she makes some really good points at others, and indeed her life experience gives her some cred.

I think Herbert must be about 25. Or younger. IDK. Perhaps I should give up trying to dialogue with him and draw out a little intelligence. He’s kind of all over the place, and seems to have a case of echolalia, of what voice we cannot know.

235. Basement Blogger - February 26, 2014

Just saw “The Monuments Men.” Short review. Oddly inert. But the message is so important that it needs to be told Art is the history of our Western existence. It’s so earnest that I can’t hate this movie. The grade is A.

By the way, there’s a joke that Matt Damon’s character speaks bad French at least that’s what the French say. They ask him where he learned French and he says Canada. And the French roll their eyes. Am I missing something about how Canadians speak French? Aurore? Harry? Cate Blanchett’s character is based on a real person so she’s not some token female.

Also look for cameo by Georeg Clooney’s father, Nick Clooney. If you’re from Cincinnati, you know him. He used to anchor channel 12 news eons ago.

Full review with YouTube trailer.
http://berniebasementblog.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-monuments-men-review.html

236. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - February 27, 2014

I was watching Star Trek 4 last night when I thought about this.
When Chekov was captured by the Marines and was questioned by the NIS or CIA. The Agent had his Communicator and Phaser. When Chekov tried to escape. He left them there with the Agent’s and at no time did Kirk or the crew tried to get them back. That means. That 23rd century Tech was left in the hands of the U.S Government. I wonder what effect that might have had on the time line.
I know I know. I am too much of a Trek Geek. Lol.

237. CmdrR - February 27, 2014

Emperor Mike, you didn’t really believe that Steve Jobs INVENTED cell phones, did you?

Fortunately, the phaser technology only produced a popcorn maker.

238. Phil - February 27, 2014

Probably the same effect that transparent aluminum had. Which I understand is available, now, in small quantities.

Oh, and the Navy is rolling out it’s first functional laser weapon. The days of guns on warships are at an end, though it will take Congress another hundred years to stop making ammunition for them.

239. AJ - February 27, 2014

Mike and Phil:

Remember Scotty’s resolution to the transparent aluminum time paradox, as he referred to Dr. Nichols:

“How do you know he didn’t invent the thing?”

The Klingon tech Chekov left on the Enterprise had a few purists’ knickers in a twist back in 1986, but kinda who cares? At least it’s not “Star Trek Into Darkness.”

240. Silvereyes - February 27, 2014

@235 Basement Blogger

As I’m French Canadian, allow me to clarify things for you. French from Canada is different from french from France. We use different words, expressions and our accent is different. It’s like American English compared to British English.

As far as the French rolling their eyes, it is true that some French have a condescending attitude toward the French Canadian as far as the language goes. They believe THEY speak the true French, and not us… Again, similar to the Brits and their high and mighty attitude.

I must point out though, that this attitude is shared by the minority of French. It’s in fact something of an inside joke between us, hence the reference in the movie. I’ve been all over France many times and most people I have met absolutely loved my accent.

241. Harry Ballz - February 27, 2014

Silvereyes, I’m sure they loved YOU and the accent was simply a bonus for them!

:>)

242. Phil - February 27, 2014

@240. Not uncommon, apparently. There also seems to be a different reaction to Spanish spoken in Mexico, and in Spain.

243. Harry Ballz - February 27, 2014

Here are my predictions for the Oscars (10 main categories):

Best Picture: 12 Years A Slave
Best Director: Alfonso Cuaron
Best Actor: Matthew McConaughey
Best Actress: Cate Blanchett
Best Supporting Actor: Jared Leto
Best Supporting Actress: Lupita Nyong’o
Best Adapted Screenplay: 12 Years A Slave
Best Original Screenplay: Her
Best Foreign Film: The Great Beauty, Italy
Best Original Song: Let It Go

Please keep in mind, this isn’t who I think SHOULD win, but rather who I think WILL win.

244. Silvereyes - February 27, 2014

@241 Harry

“Silvereyes, I’m sure they loved YOU and the accent was simply a bonus for them! ”

How perceptive of you Harry. How did you know?

@242 Phil

Yes. That’s true.

245. Harry Ballz - February 27, 2014

I’ll tell you how i know, Silvereyes.

IT’S BECAUSE YOU DA MAN! YOU COULD SELL ICE TO DA ESKIMOS!

246. Mitchell - February 27, 2014

236. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire – February 27, 2014
The weapons and communicator didn’t work and the world was destroyed by the 1990’s in the Eugenics Wars. I doubt anything came of it or the transparent alluminum.

243. Harry Ballz – February 27, 2014
Amen Harry, that’s who probably “will” win. Good list.

247. Marja - February 27, 2014

236 Emperor Mike, DARPA is working on adapting those things right now! ;-)

242 Phil, a good friend of mine lived in Puerto Rico for 20 years and is a fluent speaker. She says there are differences in the Spanish spoken in South and Central America, Cuba, Mexico, and PR. While she and other Spanish speakers understand each other quite well, the accents and dialects are often quite different, much like the French Canadian to the French.

I, too, laughed at the inside joke in “Monuments Men” because of Silvereyes and Aurore’s exchanges here. Thanks y’all!

248. Marja - February 27, 2014

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHd8q-M0L6E

“Captain Quasar” – one of the funniest Star Trek parodies I’ve ever seen, except for the brief RaceFail in Part 2 [which you can skip over when it gets to the Tiles].

Everything’s here from the Bad Toupee to the Sexist Uniforms to a Boris Karloff-accented villain. I laughed my ass off. [Would that that could literally be true.]

249. Mitchell - February 27, 2014

239. AJ – February 27, 2014

gosh you are so right AJ. I was thinking today how bad stid was for star trek. just god awful….bob orci and company really missed the boat for what was a grand opportunity to put Trek in the category the mega blockbusters and do it with a great Trek story.
Hopefully Trek can be fixed, rebound on film, return to tv and NEVER go “Into Dumbness” ;p again.

250. AJ - February 28, 2014

Hmmm, Oscars time again?

What films did I see..Hobbit 2, Hunger Games 2, Thor 2, Star Trek In the Doghouse, and Superman Kills Millions of People, and none of them will win Oscars.

I say give Hobbit the FX nod to push it up over a million large at the B.O. before Hobbit 3 wins Best Picture 2014 by sympathy vote.

251. Marja - March 1, 2014

Hee-hee, AJ, I’ll probably watch em this year, even though I only saw about half the films.

I predict McConaughey will win Best Actor, not only b/c of his performance, but b/c of his “star turn” of losing 50 # to play his role in “Dallas Buyers’ Club.” [It was a terrific movie, but the "star turn" thing bothers me, as it always does. I'm always reminded of Robert Downey Jr.'s character in "Tropic Thunder" and his advice to Ben Stiller's character regarding going too far in his "star turn".]

I’m so happy to see a science-fiction-y movie nominated [at least for Best Direction] but predict McQueen will win Director for “12 Years a Slave” … anyway, it’ll be fun for me to watch the spectacle, and look at all the ladies and gents in their beautiful evening attire.

252. CmdrR - March 1, 2014

I want Christian Bale’s hair in “American Hustle” to win an Oscar. Shat must be jumping for joy, since he no longer has the worst rug out there.

I agree that McConaughey gave an Oscar-worthy performance in a film that easily could have tumbled into a preachy mess, but didn’t.

I have not seen “12 Years a Slave.” I know the subject matter alone will draw Oscar votes, but I reserve judgement. I’m gun shy about potentially preachy flicks. I was not a fan of “42,” though I loved Harrison Ford in it. It fell less like a biopic about Jackie Robinson and more like an excuse to knit together a bunch of Southern rednecks using the n-word and making us hate them so we’d cheer Robinson. I thought “Django Unchained” was a ridiculously BAD movie, but at least it took the focus off of “slavery’s bad, m’kay?” “The Color Purple” is a melodrama, but felt less preachy than recent films addressing slavery. I welcome all contrasting opinions on this. “Roots” and “To Kill a Mockingbird” are the gold standard, with an honorable mention for several others, including “Mississippi Burning.”

I hope “Kon Tiki” wins something… and I hope folks will find it and check it out. It’s a Trek film, folks. A wet one with Norwegians.

Finally, “Inside Llewyn Davis” will likely be utterly overlooked. Fine. Just watch it and know that The Academy was too busy making money to actually watch good movies.

253. CmdrR - March 1, 2014

I want Christian Bale’s hair in “American Hustle” to win an Oscar. Shat must be jumping for joy, since he no longer has the worst rug out there.

I agree that McConaughey gave an Oscar-worthy performance in a film that easily could have tumbled into a preachy mess, but didn’t.

I have not seen “12 Years a Slave.” I know the subject matter alone will draw Oscar votes, but I reserve judgement. I’m gun shy about potentially preachy flicks. I was not a fan of “42,” though I loved Harrison Ford in it. It fell less like a biopic about Jackie Robinson and more like an excuse to knit together a bunch of Southern rednecks using the n-word and making us hate them so we’d cheer Robinson. I thought “Django Unchained” was a ridiculously BAD movie, but at least it took the focus off of “slavery’s bad, m’kay?” “The Color Purple” is a melodrama, but felt less preachy than recent films addressing slavery. I welcome all contrasting opinions on this. “Roots” and “To Kill a Mockingbird” are the gold standard, with an honorable mention for several others, including “Mississippi Burning.”

I hope “Kon Tiki” wins something… and I hope folks will find it and check it out. It’s a Trek film, folks. A wet one with Norwegians.

Finally, “Inside Llewyn Davis” will likely be utterly overlooked. Fine. Just watch it and know that The Academy was too busy making money to actually watch good movies.

254. Aurore - March 1, 2014

“… I was not a fan of ’42,’ though I loved Harrison Ford in it. It fell less like a biopic about Jackie Robinson and more like an excuse to knit together a bunch of Southern rednecks using the n-word and making us hate them so we’d cheer Robinson… ”
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…On that specific point, while watching the movie, I, for my part, wondered whether or not we were “spared” the worst of what the man probably had to endure ; (in so far as) this was a movie, not a detailed biography, after all…

255. CmdrR - March 1, 2014

Aurore, I have no doubt Jackie Robinson — and Lord knows how many others whose names we don’t know — went through unspeakable hatred. I suspected I’d draw fire trying to make this point, but my point is this: I didn’t think it was a very good movie, especially on such an important subject. To me, it felt like a string of hateful characters followed by an upswell in music, a home run hit, and the credits. Yay! Racism is over!
I would like to have seen more focus on the smaller moments in Robinson’s life, more on the man/character and his relationships. If I’m saying this wrong, I apologize. I just think Hollywood today is too often replacing storytelling with familiar tropes and 2 dimensional stereotypes. That’s a crime when it comes to an important chapter in history. I can still recall how vivid the characters (people!) are in “Roots,” 40 years later. I can barely remember anything about the Robinson presented in “42.”

256. CmdrR - March 1, 2014

Perhaps, too, a biopic is improved when a life of large scope is examined with one incident. “Lincoln” (awesome!) focuses on the last four months, and the battle for emancipation. It jettison’s much of the man’s life, but gives us the man. “Hoover” (awful!!) tries to tell us the story cradle to grave and gets hung up on mom’s dress. “The Color Purple” is much more about the relationships, which makes the parts about the inhumanity going on all the more poignant.

Again, this is only my opinion. It’s why I’m going to take a while to see “12 Years a Slave,” because I don’t have much interest in contemporary Hollywood’s take on the subject.

257. Aurore - March 1, 2014

“…I suspected I’d draw fire trying to make this point, but my point is this etc…”
_______

“…Draw fire”…? Absolutely not.

Earlier, if I understood you correctly, you said you would welcome all contrasting opinions on the topic.Therefore, I gave my opinion on one specific point regarding your comment. (The reason why I only “bolded” one part of your remarks concerning 42 is that I had no problem whatsoever with your not being a fan of the movie, evidently.).

In fact, I appreciate your taking the time to say what you would have expected to see from such a movie.

Was it a perfect movie? Of course not. However, I enjoyed it. I must admit what I remember the most from it is what Robinson inspired in people such as Branca and that other player who when asked by Robinson why he was acting friendly towards him at some point, answered ; “…Because, I have family here watching today, and I want them to know who I am.” (or something to that effect). I remember moments like these.

I saw ( amongst other things ) a movie in which Harrison Ford’s character made a decision which, in many regards, did not make his life or Robinson’s easier…

Unsurprisingly, that type of decision, its implications, certainly retained all my attention at a time when I hear some in Hollywood say that, today, casting Hispanic/British actors to portray Indian characters can be done in order to “avoid negative stereotyping of South Asians”, for instance…

258. CmdrR - March 1, 2014

Total change of subject.

Saw The Lego Movie. Kinda expected to hate it, but I really enjoyed myself, in addition to enjoying watching EnsR enjoy it. There’s a wonderfully subversive plot for young’unz. Also, I enjoyed the cameos in a brief sequence about a franchise some of us liked as kids. No spoilers. Just wish the third guy in that group wasn’t too much of a BigStarPants to show up. Had to check… the other 2 are the real deal.

259. Marja - March 1, 2014

252 CmdrR, LOL on the hair! That was a rather poignant moment, watching his character construct his “do” for the day. And of course Bale did the “star turn” thing and GAINED 50# for his role. Too bad McConaughey couldn’t have just transferred the weight and got it back after his film …

I think you mean “Roots” and “To Kill a Mockingbird” are the gold standard for preachiness, and yes, I agree. “Mississippi Burning” was painful to watch, because I thought I was going to learn a lot about Myrlie Evers. No, instead I learned a lot about the white guy prosecuting the case. Perhaps I have got my preachy racial films mixed up. I think “MS Burning” was about the murders of three civil rights workers, wannit?

On the good side, plenty of black actors were cast in “Roots,” and later got lots of good work as a result. I’ve hesitated to see “12 Years” myself for various reasons, mostly chickenshit reasons, but I do recall one BBC reviewer saying he didn’t like the film because it struck him as a very handy way for white audiences to feel they’d expiated their guilt over slavery.

260. AJ - March 1, 2014

JJ Abrams is apparently spending our hard-earned Star Trek-spent quatloos on upgrading to a new home in L.A.

Too many “Trek” references for my taste. It’s the Daily Mail, so it’s crap no matter how you slice it:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2571219/Star-Trek-director-JJ-Abrams-splashes-14-5m-breathtaking-Los-Angeles-mansion.html

261. CmdrR - March 2, 2014

Marja — “Mississippi Burning” was painful to watch, because I thought I was going to learn a lot about Myrlie Evers. No, instead I learned a lot about the white guy prosecuting the case.

…one BBC reviewer saying he didn’t like the film because it struck him as a very handy way for white audiences to feel they’d expiated their guilt over slavery.

If I knew what “expiated” means, I’d credit the Brit for saying that well. That’s kind of what I’ve been trying to say about “42” and what I fear about going to see “12 Years a Slave.” Any hope of a human story will be lost, I fear, in maudlin Hollywood drivel. That’s the same reason I NEVER want to see Sandra Bullock save another African American as long as I live. (I still think “Roots” and “Mockingbird” are great storytelling.)

Let’s see a film about Black living through (or not) the horrors of slavery, rather than joining in some never-happened history of ending racism. In any case, let’s see some better movies.

262. CmdrR - March 2, 2014

260 – It’s actually not too ridiculous, although he way overspent for a pool that boring. I wonder if there’s a secret room for JJ’s prized black box mysteries… and of course plenty of lens flares throughout the house? Also… for some reason I thought JJ was much younger. I’m only 4 years older. Where’s my $95? Oh yeah, I didn’t turn my ideas into movies… Dang.

263. Aurore - March 2, 2014

“…That’s kind of what I’ve been trying to say about ’42’ and what I fear about going to see ’12 Years a Slave.’ Any hope of a human story will be lost, I fear, in maudlin Hollywood drivel etc…”

________

Indeed, you said so :

“…To me, it felt like a string of hateful characters followed by an upswell in music, a home run hit, and the credits. Yay! Racism is over!” (post 255)

…And, one of the points I’ve been trying to make, while giving my opinion on the movie is that, to me, it felt like a story about a country in which (some) things were painfully and slowly changing. Racism is/was obviously (to me) not over…

(I have not seen 12 Years A Slave .)

264. CmdrR - March 2, 2014

Aurore, I feel like our differences on this issue aren’t worth an argument. I’m glad you liked “42.” I liked the fact that a movie focused on Jackie Robinson and I liked Harrison’s performance.

265. Aurore - March 2, 2014

“…Racism is/was obviously (to me) not over…”
_______

By this, and to clarify, I merely meant that, although I got your point ( especially when you wrote “Yay! Racism is over!” ), while watching the movie, and, by the time the end credits rolled, my impression was different from yours.

266. CmdrR - March 2, 2014

Aurore, I think we’re pretty close on this one.

I’ve been trying to think of my favorite movies that deal with racism/slavery. The ones I like best steer clear of preachiness, though a little is acceptable to me. I like: “Blazing Saddles,” “Conrac,” and “Driving Miss Daisy” for example, along with the ones I’ve mentioned before. I like the fact that the characters come first. In the case of “Conrac,” the enemy is not a snarling racism, but the insidious and condescending form that I have seen and feel is the hardest form of racism to root out. It’s also just a plain, good movie. Jon Voigt and Hume Cronin. (I know, it falls into the white guy saving black children category, but it’s still good.)

267. CmdrR - March 2, 2014

For sci-fi fans, there’s also “The World, The Flesh, and the Devil.”

268. Basement Blogger - March 2, 2014

@ 197

That was pretty Aurore.

@ 240

Thanks Silvereyes.

269. Basement Blogger - March 2, 2014

I saw American Hustle last week Extraordinary performances by Christian Bale, Bradley Cooper and Amy Adams aka Lois Lane. In fact, Adams is the best of the three. She acts with her face. You don’t need any dialogue to know what she’s thinking. Deceit. Fear. Love. She wields her sexuality like Bruce Lee uses nunchuks. It’s a tour de force performance.

270. Aurore - March 2, 2014

@ CmdrR.

When I wrote my post ( the “clarification”), a few hours ago, I would have sworn that it was in fact immediately following the post I wrote @ 263. In other words, I am only discovering now that you had written a post before I clarified my meaning.

…Thus, we were having an argument?

:)

In any case, regarding your last post @ 266, thank you for your thoughts and, the recommendation ; I had never heard of Conrac , before.
I liked Driving Miss Daisy , and, should watch Blazing Saddles again, one of these days…

271. Aurore - March 2, 2014

@ 268.

I’m glad you enjoyed it, Bernie!

272. CmdrR - March 2, 2014

It’s not an argument. Just friendly chattering.

273. Silvereyes - March 2, 2014

@272 CmdrR

“It’s not an argument. Just friendly chattering.”

Good man. Never argue with a French woman.

274. Silvereyes - March 2, 2014

@268 Basement Blogger

You’re most welcome. And I’m glad to see you back here more frequently.

275. Basement Blogger - March 2, 2014

Okay, today is Oscar night. And here’s my pick for Best Science Fiction Film for 2013. The nominees are Oblivion. Ender’s Game. And Star Trek Into Darkness.

The winner is Star Trek Into Darkness. Unlike the 2009 Star Trek which was Star Trek light, STID is what Roddenberry would want for Star Trek. It had substance. Themes included The Prime Directive. War. The war on terror. Revenge. And friendship.

The other sci fi films also had good themes. All in all, it was a good year for science fiction films.

276. Basement Blogger - March 2, 2014

I now hate snow. It’s another snow storm for Cincinnati. I feel like weatherman Jim Kosek from four years ago. Check out his viral hit forecast below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpxiCxO5k0g

277. CmdrR - March 2, 2014

Gravity crushes Darkness.

278. Basement Blogger - March 2, 2014

Gravity is a great movie that I tend to put in the drama category. It could be science fiction but it’s more like science drama. See “Outbreak.”

279. Mitchell - March 2, 2014

@275. Basement Blogger – March 2, 2014
lol if Gravity isn’t in the sci-fi category then into dumbness and enders game should be moved into the comedy category. Regardless Oblivion would win that hands down. it’s a better film and sci-fi light years ahead of the other two.

280. Mitchell - March 2, 2014

@277. CmdrR – March 2, 2014
And everything else. It’s cleaning house at the Oscars and i’m happy for Alfonso Cuaran and his team. One of the best movies i’ve seen in 20 or 25 years. A Simply amazing cinematic achievement.

281. CmdrR - March 2, 2014

Votes now for scariest face:

Kim Novak __________

Liza Minelli __________

John Travolta ________

282. CmdrR - March 2, 2014

Very happy for Gravity’s success. Well deserved.

283. Basement Blogger - March 2, 2014

@ 280

Well, you might think my opinion is funny but frankly it’s no less sincere than yours. Let’s go over some facts, shall we? STID was the highest grossing Star Trek film of all time. It was the highest rated blockbuster of the summer. You cannot take any of those two facts away.

Rotten Tomatoes, STID scores at 87 percent.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_trek_into_darkness/

The box leader Iron Man 3 scores at 78 percent. And Iron Man disrespected the audience by making the main villain a clown.

Gravity is a great film. And it’s like Outbreak. It’s less speculative in the science area and more like science drama. I don’t consider Marooned, (1969) a movie very similar Gravity to be science fiction. Disaster films like Earthquake and Gravity may have some science ideas but they’re not science fiction. Can I see Gravity as being considered science fiction. Yes. But since I divide best of films into two categories, I decided to move it into the drama category.

284. Harry Ballz - March 2, 2014

It looks like I got 10 out of 10 right in my Oscar predictions at post 243.

This year was SO predictable.

285. Mitchell - March 2, 2014

We’ve had the debate over into dumbness on this site….the main point about how you categorize Gravity however strikes me as just odd because of the “science” featured in stid. This is a film that defuses a bomb with a slapstick comedy gag more commonly seen in the three stooges and resets a warp core with a kick…
Anyhow every point you are making to build the case for stid easily applies to Gravity and would position it miles above it as a superior sci fi space film.

But hey we can agree that Oblivion belongs in the conversation and deserves more mention.

286. Mitchell - March 2, 2014

@282. CmdrR – March 2, 2014
Gravity and Alfonso Cuaron’s team are an inspiration like no other. To go from once being called “just a bunch of Mexican’s” to having 3 of the best films ever made under their belt and now to be at the top of the mountain- IT IS SIMPLY AMAZING!

In countless ways Cuaron has changed the film industry forever

287. Marja - March 2, 2014

284 Harry, Well, congrats, and thanks, man, now I don’t have to look up who won. I slept right thru the Oscars.

I wonder how many people know how much campaigning film companies do to get their films nominated. When I lived in LA the LA Times got about 10% thicker in the month before the Oscars, with full-page “FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION” ads. Crikey.

288. Marja - March 2, 2014

277, CmdrR,
Scissors cut paper, Spock smashes scissors, lizard poisons Spock ….

278 Bernie, We’re on the same page there. I put “Gravity” in the same category as “Outbreak” … more what I’d call a speculative fiction drama, about events that could easily happen in our present-day world.

To me, Sci-Fi is extrapolation more fully “built out” than speculative drama. With an entire world built out, e.g., “Star Trek” with the Federation of Planets, the Enterprise and her crew. “2001” now seems more speculative drama in nature, but when it was written, was more sci-fi than sci-fact [HAL 9000 is distinctly more possible today] ….

Wishing you snowmelt, dry weather and warmer temps, Bernie, with NO black ice.

I guess I should see “Oblivion.” I like Cruise as an actor all right, I just can’t stand his “religion.” And the idea that my movie dollars translate into support for “Scientology” …

289. Mitchell - March 2, 2014

@288. Marja – March 2, 2014
“I like Cruise as an actor all right, I just can’t stand his “religion.” And the idea that my movie dollars translate into support for “Scientology”

^very true but that really applies to everything. who knows what we’ve supported over the years with our dollars once they make the rounds.

290. Basement Blogger - March 3, 2014

@ 285

Insulting STID by calling it “into Dumbness” is not very smart on your part. It’s kind of juvenile. You have every right to give your opinion. If you don’t like something, good for you. But I would expect smarter criticism unless you like throwing juvenile insults at things. By the way, I’m not sure what bomb you’re talking about. Are you talking about when Dr. Marcus removes the fuse? She removes the fuse that’s like the Three Stooges. . As for the warp core, its’ out of alignment.

While you’re at it, why don’t you yell about Spock’s actions in fixing the warp drive in TWOK. That’s just as bad as kicking the warp core back into alignment. The point is you’re nitpicking based on your perception on what should happen. But I digress.

But let’s go over what Gene Roddenberry wanted for Star Trek, shall we?
Gene wanted a show that had substance and meaning. See letter to his agent, paragraph 3. Link. Simply put he wanted a science fiction show with substance. That’s Star Trek. It’s not Star Wars.

http://trekmovie.com/2010/11/30/letter-of-note-gene-roddenberry-defends-star-trek-the-cage-pilot/

Maybe you missed the themes in STID because you conveniently ignore them. . But let’s go over them shall we?

1. The Prime Directive
2. War
3. The war on terror
4. Use of drones
5. The militarization of Starfleet
6. Revenge
7. Friendship

You might even add Guantanamo Bay to the list because of the disposition of Khan’s crew. . I think Gene would love STID for a Star Trek movie with substance.

One more thing. One would think you equate STID with Transformers; Dark of the Moon or Battleship. But those movies were savaged by the film critics. STID had an 87 percent approval rating according Rotten Tomatoes.

291. Mitchell - March 3, 2014

@290. Basement Blogger – March 3, 2014
no, into dumbness deserves at the very least eternal juvenile disrespect. Ultimately that’s the place itself where the film came from at it’s heart, it’s orci, kurtzman and lindelof at their usual worst.

Not nitpicking, only scratching the surface of where we all spent months on end tackling our issues with the film.

You are kidding yourself if you believe Roddenberry would have genuinely loved this disgrace. He often “SAID” nice things in the end but still heavily objected to WOK and TUC etc..etc…

I wouldn’t insult any film by equating it to stid.
As for “Rotten Tomatoes”….Seriously?

292. Basement Blogger - March 3, 2014

@ 291

Well, Mitchell that just shows your inability to logically criticize a film by getting juvenile. As for Rotten Tomatoes, yeah seriously. Maybe you don’t get how the site works. That’s 87 percent of the film critics surveyed that liked STID. You see it works by a super majority. Sixty percent of positive critics deems a film “fresh” or a positive reception. For example, for your beloved Gravity, Wikipedia uses Rotten Tomatoes to make the point that Gravity received universal acclaim. Now would you say the same thing about Gravity? I doubt it because Gravity did receive universal acclaim and Rotten Tomatoes shoes it. Can’t have it both ways unless you discount Rotten Tomatoes for Gravity too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_(film)#Critical_response

Not kidding myself. I used what Gene wanted for Star Trek to make my point. Read his letter. Then I analyzed STID. STID asks you to think. Maybe you missed that because your hate blinded you.. Gene wanted substance. Unless you don’t get the themes in STID, it had them. But if you want, I’ll be happy to spoon feed you the plot points that the various themes.

293. LizardGirl - March 3, 2014

I don’t even watch the Oscars. Half of the movies that win awards are ones I’ve never heard of. So no love lost there.

294. Basement Blogger - March 3, 2014

@ 293

Lizard Girl,

The Oscars are the best of the awards programs. They are based less on popularity than other awards. See Grammys. If that were the case Iron Man 3 would have won Best Picture.

I’ll admit that 12 Years A Slave did not have as much a wide spread distribution as Iron Man. So, shhhh, I’ve got to see it yet. Thank goodness for the ability to use my XBOX to rent it. I can’t say enough good things about American Hustle. It’s half comedy-half drama. And the Academy doesn’t like comedies for the major awards. I highly recommend it. Superman fans are lucky. Amy Adams is one great actress. Like Judi Dench, she doesn’t need lines to act. I see it all in her face.

295. Marja - March 3, 2014

I agree on Amy Adams. I think she’s the upcoming Meryl Streep. Versatile as can be. Her performance in “The Master” was chilling. If there are Amy Adams fans who’ve not yet seen “Sunshine Cleaners,” I highly recommend it. Indie film, “small” in scope, but great. I thought Bale was great in American Hustle too. In spite of the combover and the overweight, he brought his hustler character his own sense of dignity and caring. Cooper was well-cast, because I find him annoying as all hell ;-) and Jennifer Lawrence in her brief bits on screen made that insecure crazy character pop off the screen.

“12 Years” makes random appearances in my area. A month after its premiere it was here for 2 weeks. It was back for a week before the Oscars. I didn’t get to see it either time.

I think the big diff between “Gravity” and “Trek” is what has always cursed Trek, the general public think of Trek as science fantasy with guys running around in pajama uniforms, going pew! pew! with phasers, and some guy with pointed ears.

As for what GR wanted for Trek, we have his letters and production memos, and later, occasional “crazy talk” at fan conventions, along with more temperate remarks. I think it’s pretty hard for any of us to know what he’d have thought about the Abrams films. To claim we know what he’d think without documentary evidence, just seems as if we’re conjecturing based on our own opinions.

296. Captain Slow - March 3, 2014

I actually don’t think that GR would have liked the J.J. movies. The characters aren’t perfect enough for him. Kirk even tries to cover up his violation of the Prime Directive. There’s more of a focus on the heroes changing themselves rather than lecturing the alien of the week.

On another subject, I didn’t like Gravity that much. I barely see any movies and I thought that STID was a much better film than Gravity with better acting. I will say that Gravity had better effects. I didn’t like how long so many of the shots were. Not because I have a short attention span but because it draw attention the the shot and just feels like it’s showing off. But of course this is just my opinion and will probably be unpopular.

297. Phil - March 3, 2014

@295. Not sure I’d agree with the comparison – Gravity was a good drama, in a sci-fi setting. Trek and Star Wars are both science-fantasy – both have big space ships that can never seem to hit what they aim at, both have guys in jammies pew pew pewing away at each other (also with incredibly bad aim), both have guys with pointy ears, and like it or not, both have obnoxious sections of their fan base who think their s**t doesn’t stink. I know I’ll probably be burned at the Trek stake for this, but GR is dead, so when examining what the difference between the franchises is, what turned one into a multi-billion dollar juggernaut, and the other one, not so much, continuing to ask ‘what would Gene do’ we need to embrace the attributes that work, toss those that don’t, and stop looking back at the sixties as the model of ‘doing it right’. Trek 09 told a good story – STID was a mash up that didn’t work so well.

This may be an unpleasant surprise for Disney – The first three SW movies set the stage for the Star Wars universe. Passable story, good movie making. The second three were successful largely on the sale of nostalgia. If JJ doesn’t tell a good story on Episode 7, they could have a problem on their hands – I’m not sure there’s that much of a market for very old Luke, Leia and Han reliving their glory days…

298. Silvereyes - March 3, 2014

@ 296 Captain Slow

I agree with you about Gravity. It did seem as though the shots were contrived to impress, and detracted from the actual plot (what plot?). Bullock was never more annoying and so was Clooney… There was nothing about this movie I liked. The special effects were good but everyone can do superb special effects today so who cares…

299. Basement Blogger - March 3, 2014

@ 296

Captain Slow says,

“There’s more of a focus on the heroes changing themselves rather than lecturing the alien of the week.”

While TOS had Kirk giving many sermons, what you say is too literal as to what Roddenberry wanted for Star Trek. Again, read Gene’s letter I posted at 290. He wanted a science fiction franchise that had substance..

Did you pay attention to STID?. And please dislike it, if that’s your choice. But the themes in STID stood out. Take for example the violation of the Prime Directive in the first ten minutes. Roddenberry hated the Viet Nam war and superpower meddling in the Third World. He’s said so many times in interviews. See TOS “A Private Little War.” Hence the birth of The Prime Directive. Anyway, in STID, the crew violates the Prime Directive. And the result? the aliens see the Enterprise and worship it. It’s an uncomfortable, even humorous moment. But you realize the culture has been contaminated. And what happens when cultures get contaminated, they lose their identity. All told in STID without a lecutre.

Let me digress here a little. I read a book on screenplay writing. And they repeated this adage. “Show, don’t tell.” That’s a fundamental rule to screenplay writing and filmmaking. It’s doubtful in modern movie making you;re going to get a sermon. Too preachy. As for Star Trek, the TNG series was less preachy. Yeah, Picard still lectured but not in the way Kirk would. See “A Taste of Armageddon”, “The Omega Glory.” etc. The early to mid sixties were less sophisticated. Things had to be spoon fed. Look Lost in Space had alien vegetable creatures. Hey I was alive back then.

Let’s take a look at one more example of a theme in STID, shall we? Spock objects to the idea of firing a missile at Harrison and killing him without a trial. This should sound familiar. The United States uses drones to kill terrorists on foreign lands. One of them was an American citizen, Anwar Awlaki. I don’t shed a tear for the guy but the United States killed an American without trial. So Spock questions Kirk’s mission and Kirk decides to capture him. Is this the maturation of Kirk.? I hope so. By the third movie, I hope we see a more mature Kirk like TOS.

There are other themes in STID, But maybe you should go back and watch the movie. Think about them. That’s what Bob wants you to do. And it’s why I think STID is Star Trek.

300. Marja - March 3, 2014

Agreed, Bernie.

Thatt the characters in NuTrek are allowed to grow is so great. In TOS they were pretty static; they had to stay the same from week to week in the ’60s.

Hee! When people talk about Picard lecturing [which to my recollection he mostly did in the more lamentable of the "Q" episodes], I always recall Kirk in: “The Apple” “A Taste of Armageddon” “Omega Glory [particularly egregious]” “This Side of Paradise” “Errand of Mercy” “Who Mourns for Adonais” “Mirror, Mirror” “I, Mudd” “Gamesters of Triskelion” …. need I go on. As for how many times he broke the Prime Directive, well … the numbers are close.

301. Captain Slow - March 3, 2014

@ 299 BB

Either I’m misunderstanding you or you misunderstood me but I loved STID. I was saying that I didn’t like a lot of GR’s ideas on story such as how Picard always lectured every alien they came across. I fully agree that there are a ton of themes in the movie, probably more than in any of the previous ones.

302. AJ - March 4, 2014

Whether or not STID is a positive reflection of Gene’s ideas is way beside the point. It is simply a film that does so many things stupidly (and they have already been catalogued) that it makes for highly tedious viewing for long-time Trekkers. It fails to suspend disbelief in many areas, and, like “These are the Voyages,” just shits on some of our sacred cows with the impossibly naive view that we will accept it.

The story is also a cobbled together mess from the moment the shuttle can’t hold position above a volcano and the E is in water. It’s all wrong and bad. Why is Khan a pasty Brit? How does Marcus build a dreadnaught secretly near Jupiter and why does he need a 300-year old man to help him build it? Why the thing with the augments’ blood, and why did they need specifically Khan back after that useless chase scene? Why did they mess around with TWOK? And again with the ‘transwarp beaming,’ this time from a helicopter on Earth to Q’uonos. Now available on Khan’s iPhone! How convenient he had it with him.

“Omega Glory” is Gene’s vision, and is well known as one of the worst Star Treks ever filmed (apart from healed-by-time effect of Shatner’s iconically hideous performance of an awful script).

If STID is also Gene’s vision, goody for the writers for “getting it,” but it really does lick salty doggy cojones at the end of the day.

303. AJ - March 4, 2014

Scenes left out of STID.

Of course, they had to cut the Klingon dance party…

http://io9.com/watch-all-those-new-star-trek-into-darkness-deleted-sce-1536041454?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebook&utm_source=io9_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

304. Basement Blogger - March 4, 2014

@ 302

AJ,

When I discuss Gene’s vision, it’s not to force all of his bad ideas on Star Trek. But when J.J. came out with the 2009 movie, I thought something was wrong. What was it? It was Star Trek Light. The Supreme Court even said they looked to Star Wars for inspiration. See DVD documentary on making of the 2009 movie. It came down to the question, “What is Star Trek?”

For that we had no choice but to look to the creator of the franchise to see what Star Trek was. As the PBS series, “Pioneers of Television” put it, Star Trek was the show with “something important to say.” (Sorry, clip is missing from TrekMovie.) Between the two science fiction shows (Lost in Space) competing for audiences, Star Trek was the serious one. It had real science fiction writers; Norman Spinrad, Richard Matheson, Harlan Ellison.etc. And Leonard Nimoy says the same thing. Star Trek worked on multiple levels. Adventure. Emotion. And intelligence. See video posted, at the five minute, 39 second mark for Nimoy’s words.
.
http://trekmovie.com/2011/03/05/video-of-the-day-report-from-1973-star-trek-convention/

I’ve posted Gene’s letter at 290 above. What did Gene want for Star Trek? And it’s a simple concept. Make a science fiction show with substance. That’s it. By the way, the Supreme Court dedicated the 2009 movie to Gene so they obviously respected what he wanted for Star Trek.

I see you don’t like “The Omega Glory.” Okay. I’ll get that in a minute. But Star Trek featured a bunch of shows with themes and ideas or “substance” , some political, some of it scientific.

The Doomsday Machine. Theme: Arms control
A Taste of Armageddon. Theme: War
The City on the Edge of Forever. Theme Time travel; destiny; sacrifice.
A Private Little War. Theme: The Viet Nam war; the Cold War between USSR and America.
Let That Be Your Last Battlefield. Theme: Race. racial bigotry.

And on and on….

And let me say this first. That some of the shows were not the best. and they had problems. But Star Trek was a show that blazed into areas that TV would not touch. Yes, it was the show with something Important to say.

As for “The Omega Glory”, I will say it was not one of my favorite episodes. Gene gets heavy handed here. But watch it again. I did and realized I missed something profound. I used to think the show was a patriotic American episode. But now after watching it, I realize Gene was making commentary on hyper-patriotism. You see the Yangs worship the flag, pledge and the Constitution but they don’t understand the words. They’re mere religious symbols to them but they don’t have meaning to them. Kirk says that equality and freedom must apply to the Kohms as well. So it’s remarkable that this heavy handed show still has meaning. A few years ago, conservatives wanted to pass amendments to the Constitution to protect the American flag. But what they don’t get is the flag is not something to worshiped. It’s a symbol. It’s a symbol for ideas. Freedom. You can burn the flag but America is still here. The ideas of freedom are the things that must be understood and applied.

I obviously disagree with your assessment of STID. We’ve gone over that many times. I will say this. There’s a quiet majority of Trekkers that liked the movie. Why do I say that? It’s the highest grossing Star Trek film of all time. With Rotten Tomatoes, it scored at 87 percent which is considered positive or fresh. Compare STID to the pretty much hated Star Trek V: The Final Frontier. It scores at 21 percent. So while I respect your opinion on STID, it’s not one that is consistent with the majority of fans or the critics.

305. CmdrR - March 4, 2014

“Klingon Dance Party!”

You can bet your last quatloo, it’s all gonna be a stone gas, honey! I’m Don Cornelius, wishing you love, peace, q’plah!

306. Marja - March 4, 2014

304 Bernie, While I probably won’t see the ep again without bracing myself for Shatner’s near-comical rendering of the “WE … the … PEOPLE!” speech, your analysis brings some great insight that will make it more watchable.

307. CmdrR - March 4, 2014

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/themargin/2014/03/04/the-gravity-defying-invention-mark-cuban-says-will-change-the-world/?mod=MW_home_latest_news

MARTY!!

308. AJ - March 4, 2014

Basement:

I actually enjoy “The Omega Glory” and I agree with all your reasons why ‘Star Trek’ was a terrific ground breaking show, even by today’s high TV standards.

My arguments are simply about the real silly parts which are far more than few & far between. They are far ranging.

I agree that STID had substance in the Trek tradition, but it was improper use of Trek tropes/established ‘facts’ as well some ham-handed and tired writing that make it disposable, and ultimately disappointing for me and many others.

Also, thinking that it’s Trekkers that brought in the high BO numbers is wishful thinking. It was new customers in Europe and Asia who came to see Ben Cumberbatch/Sherlock Holmes dressed in a long black coat that rounded out those sales figures. That is all the more a challenge for the upcoming 50th Anniversary film, as the new customer base won’t be in on it, while at the same time, they will have to be kept excited about the franchise.

The “Klingon Dance Party” idea should take care of those new fans fairly quickly.

309. Aurore - March 5, 2014

“Gene’s vision”…

I read those words many times…when I became involved in (online) “fandom” after 2009…

Some of the statements Gene Roddenberry made only gave me an idea of what he had endeavoured to accomplish with Star Trek The Original Series. And so, I personally never felt comfortable talking about what his vision might have been. From what I knew of the show, which to me was bold in many respects, I had just come to have certain expectations from Star Trek…

…But, back to…”Gene Roddenberry‘s original vision” (and the sequel) ; Mr. Orci had this to say:

I have to ask, there’s been a good amount of discussion over Into Darkness feeling like a post-9/11 allegory. Was that a conscious decision?

Orci: You want to be careful with a popcorn movie not to hit anyone over the head with an answer to something. We always wanted to respect Gene Roddenberry‘s original vision, which was to echo and represent what’s happening. What happened during the original show? You had civil rights and women’s rights, which were represented by Uhura. You had the Cold War represented by Chekov. There’s the young captain, sort of, representing John F. Kennedy. Star Trek always represented the flavor of what was happening back then. In this movie, it was about representing what’s happening today. What is happening today? Well, there’s terrorism, war, and various things where…you just want to raise the questions, not take a stand and being didactic. We wanted to represent the world like Gene Roddenberry did.

Link if authorized, here :

http://filmschoolrejects.com/features/alex-kurtzman-bob-orci-star-trek-into-darkness.php

310. Basement Blogger - March 5, 2014

Aurore,

It’s cold here in Cincinnati so it’s time to think of Brazil! Jorge Ben wrote Mas Que Nada which was made famous by Sergio Mendes and later in the movie Austin Powers: Man of Mystery. Here’s an older Ben singing at a club with help from the audience. Wish I was there. The wine. The food. The Brazilian jazz.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd3LEsKIjNI

311. Aurore - March 6, 2014

@ 310.

Thanks, Bernard!

:)

What an ambience!!!

On a completely unrelated note :

“…She wields her sexuality like Bruce Lee uses nunchuks. It’s a tour de force performance.” (Post 269.).

What you said about Amy Adams earlier still has me smiling ; I loved it!

However, when I think of it, due to what you said, now, how can I NOT expect anything but an out-of-this-world performance from Miss Adams if/when I see the movie?!

312. Aurore - March 6, 2014

@311.

“…What you said about Amy Adams earlier still has me smiling ; I loved it!…”

_______

I loved your comment.
[I haven't seen the "tour de force performance" you were talking about (yet).]

:)

313. CmdrR - March 7, 2014

http://www.avclub.com/article/kurtwood-smith-talks-robocop-and-nude-scenes-then–201908

I didn’t realize that Red played the Fed Prez, too. Hard to tell…

314. CmdrR - March 7, 2014

http://www.hulu.com/watch/605242

Logan’s Run and other 70’s sci-fi gets some love.

315. CmdrR - March 7, 2014

Zardoz!!!!!

316. AJ - March 7, 2014

Happy International Women’s Day to all our International Women!

If you don’t know what that is, it’s today! March 8th, every year.

Google Search has it up, so it’s here!

Now you know.

317. Aurore - March 8, 2014

“Happy International Women’s Day to all our International Women!”
________

:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8xuUdI1an0

(Not that I needed a pretext to listen to THIS!)

318. Basement Blogger - March 8, 2014

Just saw 300: Rise of an Empire. Here’s the short review. All the CGI blood, gore and Eva Green’s crazy Artemisia take away from that need to show the importance of the Battle of Salamis. After all, Greek civilization and the future of Western democracy rests on it. Still not bad cinema. The grade is B Minus.

As for watching this in 3D, skip it. It’s a conversion from 2D. Actors and objects have no depth. Forgot I was watching this movie in 3D after the first reel.

Here’s the full review with Youtube trailer.
http://berniebasementblog.blogspot.com/2014/03/300-rise-of-empire-3d-review.html

319. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - March 9, 2014

Good Morning Campers.
Anyone enjoying the time change yet.

320. AJ - March 9, 2014

Russia has been on permanent summer time now for three years. Only difference for me is that friends and family in North America are now one hour closer (-8 hours time difference to the East Coast instead of 9).

In a reversal of fortune, it’s warm and snow free here (+8C/47F) whereas my home in the northeast US (NYC/NJ) has been long-suffering this winter.

Russia also celebrates the seasons differently: Spring begins March 1st, Summer June 1st, Autumn September 1st, and Winter December 1st. Doesn’t mean we can’t still get snow in May.

So, now you know.

321. CmdrR - March 9, 2014

Finally saw “12 Years a Slave.” It was not as Hollywood-ized as I had feared and is certainly a good film. Best Movie of 2013? No, but what do you expect from an Academy where 67% of those who vote HAVE NOT watched the movies they’re voting on! “Dallas Buyers Club” was a better movie. Anyway — “12 Years” is an important film, but as I’ve tried to say in the past it’s not the only or most effective film on the subject of slavery/racism. There were fewer than 4 sympathetic white folk throughout and a whole lot of frothing at the mouth baddies. I get it. Slavery sucks. My point is that when societies go to crap, the real danger is that people accept it quietly. Also cheesed me off that they killed Chalky White after a handful of lines. (Boardwalk Empire reference.)

Anyway — Happy Daylight Saving Time. What are you going to do with all that stored sunlight?

322. Aurore - March 9, 2014

@ 319. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire – March 9, 2014

“…Anyone enjoying the time change yet.”
________

Today is a beautiful day here ; it almost feels like summertime (where I live, anyway).

I hope the sun stays for a while!

323. Harry Ballz - March 9, 2014

Aurore, try to enjoy yourself BEFORE SUNSET!

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!

private jokes are the worst, no?

324. Aurore - March 9, 2014

@ 323. Mr. Ballz.

“…private jokes are the worst, no?”

___________

Let me just say this. I hate your stupid jokes.

Moreover, I hate you. With a passion.
You need to be aware of that.

:)

325. CmdrR - March 9, 2014

**Looks at Ballz. Quickly looks at Aurore, who looks away but grins.**

Hmmm.

I think they’re doin’ it.

326. Harry Ballz - March 9, 2014

@324

Nice piece of dialogue, Aurore. You are an original. One of a kind.

Maybe that’s a good thing.

@325

I cannot confirm your theory at this time, CmdrR.

327. Aurore - March 9, 2014

@326. Mr. Ballz.

“Nice piece of dialogue, Aurore. You are an original. One of a kind.

Maybe that’s a good thing.

________

…Well…Ahem…Thanks?

:))

328. Harry Ballz - March 9, 2014

Oh, good, she didn’t catch my hidden meaning.

Hey, wait, is this my out loud voice?????

(runs and hides)

329. Aurore - March 9, 2014

“Oh, good, she didn’t catch my hidden meaning.”
________

I was laughing at your “hidden meaning”, grumpy.

Hence the… “Thanks ?

Did you get my hidden meaning???

Don’t answer that. That was a rhetorical question…

“(runs and hides)”

(As if he could…)

:)

330. CmdrR - March 9, 2014

Ballz! Mz. Aurore, you two need to get a room.

I have 214 all prepared with hidden cameras and mic’s. You don’t have to use the tapioca pillows or fur manacles, but they’re already figured into your bill, so you might as well. Don’t mind AJ. He’s just there to clean up afterwards. We don’t pay him, but he likes to watch.

331. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - March 9, 2014

Ballz and Auroe. Did you two needs some privicy.

332. Harry Ballz - March 9, 2014

Privacy?

Nah, I’m fine if people want to watch.

Eyewww, kinky!

333. Basement Blogger - March 9, 2014

Crimean Crisis Trekmovie edition.

Abby Martin of Russia Today (Russia funded English language news) says Russia was wrong to invade Crimea…. or as President Putin would say, “Those guys in Russian military uniforms are self defense forces Those tanks came with the uniforms. Buy five get free tank. .”

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/04/world/europe/russia-news-anchor-ukraine/

Meanwhile, RT has offered to send Martin to Crimea to report. From what I’ve read she’s declined.

Yet, I’m guessing she will get this next assignment with this tagline.

“Reporting from Siberia, this is Abby Martin.” I keeeed the Russians.

334. AJ - March 9, 2014

Having been to Siberia earlier this year, I can say that Abby has nothing to fear out there except the odd drunk bear walking in the street.

As far as Crimea is concerned, in all seriousness, if Russia annexes the territory, I will most likely get to add to my resume: “Successfully rolled out/developed business in newly (illegally) occupied/annexed territory of Crimea.” Hopefully I will not have to add “Firing AK-47/Kalashnikovs” to my Hobbies & Interests.

As an ex-pat here, it’s my tax dollars at work for both Sochi, and whatever big mistake Putin is now right in the middle of making down in Ukraine. Let’s just hope he finds a way out while both saving face (most important to him) and allowing Ukraine to remain a whole country with no lives lost (most important to everyone else).

335. Basement Blogger - March 10, 2014

AJ, I trust your opinion on Russia. If Putin stays in Crimea long term, I think it’s going to be a big mistake for him. Short term, he’s in control. But long term, those sanctions are going to hurt. Even his world friends know that he’s got Russian troops in Crimea. By the way, I’ve seen only one country agree with him Syria.

And let’s not forget, I don’t think the Ukrainians are going to take this laying down. I think the Tatars, and Ukrainians in Crimea may fight the Russians guerilla style.

336. CmdrR - March 10, 2014

Watched the new Cosmos. Looks and sounds great. Kinda pop-sci, but I guess that’s fine if it gets kids (and grown-ups) interested in things like off-world colonies, orbitals, and mining. Have to laugh a little. I’m sure there are TONS of slightly off bits being thrown out in this series, but the one I notice is the depiction of the various asteroid belts — Empire Strikes Back-style. I keep looking for a giant worm to jump out. I believe I read that there would be vast distances between the bodies out there and that their total mass would not come close to adding up to a small planet. Still, zillions of tumbling rocks looks cool!

337. AJ - March 10, 2014

Cosmos was quite a fun ride. Always expecting Tyson to come out swinging against the ‘flat-earthers,’ but he instead equates ‘belief’ in science (i.e. the discovery of the truth through empirical means) with meaningful, deep faith, and dares us all to come along. For some of us, no prob, there are those for whom this is as bad as sheer pronography.

It is indeed provocative for the home-schooled generations of Christians-with-guns who take the Bible literally, but I don’t expect they’ll be watching. Let’s hope somehow they do. Feeling as small as COSMOS makes you feel is a healthy place to discover oneself, and one’s place in the whole scheme of things.

That, and Star Trek, of course.

338. CmdrR - March 10, 2014

AJ, conservatives don’t understand why it’s so amazing to compress everything from creation to the present into one calendar year. The universe is only 6,000 years old, after all. “At 4:37 p.m. on December 3rd, the dinosaurs were considered and rejected as imaginary.”

339. Basement Blogger - March 10, 2014

Crimean Crisis TrekMovie edition, part 2.

Okay, I’ll try not to get too political here. But right wing conservatives have criticized President Obama as being weak. They like to call him that “momma” jeans wearing President. That’s true. So I’ve collected some funny satire on this issue.

First up. Here’s what the Daily Show did on Putin and the conservatives that love him.

http://berniebasementblog.blogspot.com/2014/03/jon-stewart-on-putins-move-into-ukraine.html

Here’s the Saturday Night Live Open featuring Liam Neeson doing his Taken role in helping Obama talk to Putin.

http://berniebasementblog.blogspot.com/2014/03/saturday-night-live-open-liam-neeson.html

340. CmdrR - March 11, 2014

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/10/star-wars-happy-pharrell_n_4934090.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

Something Happy about that other franchise…

341. Phil - March 11, 2014

@339. Not weak. Just a lame duck. A weak lame duck. Any world leader knows they can call Obama’s bluff on any red line that the president declares. So he thumps his chest, moves a few warships into the Black Sea, and it shuts up the idiots in the GOP until the next crisis comes along. Kinda sad, really – we live in an era where a bag of potato’s should be able to defeat a Democrat in an election, and yet, the GOP can’t muster up to that low level.

Just two more years, then Hillary gets her turn. Should be able to hold out that long.

342. Phil - March 11, 2014

Wasn’t to impressed with the initial Winter Soldier trailer. Now that I’ve seen a couple others, I’m now curious.

It’s implied that Nick Fury may not survive this outing, though. Stay tuned.

343. Basement Blogger - March 11, 2014

Crimean crisis Trekmovie edition part three or the Charleton Heston Planet of the Apes edition.

First, , let me clarify about my Obama comments. I’m not saying that he’s weak. What is true is that conservatives are saying he’s weak.

Okay. My muse Sarah Palin addressed the Crimean crisis at CPAC. She said this.

“Mr. President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke, is a good guy with a nuke.”

Oh Sarah. If McCain won, you would have been a heartbeat from being the President of the United States. Might I suggest you watch Planet of the Apes with Charleton Heston. Yeah, the guy that conservatives love. Make sure you stay through the last scene.

344. Harry Ballz - March 12, 2014

There are reports that Chris Pine was arrested for drunk driving in New Zealand on March 1st.

345. AJ - March 12, 2014

Palin is an idiot.

This is a key week over here in crazy Russialand, as the Crimea is expected to have their referendum Sunday to vote (or not vote) for independence from Ukraine. Will there be international observers for a vote most consider to be for a fraudulent cause? Doubt it. Will something happen between now and then to stop it? Nope. Maybe the vote will be a false one, and made to show the secessionists LOSE, which would completely deflate the situation, and allow for much rejoicing and back-slapping. Should be interesting to watch.

Quite possibly, Crimea will succeed in seceding without bloodshed, because most people are content with what some say is an historical inevitability, and this is an acceptable outcome, in my opinion. Still leaves the rest of Ukraine deeply divided with a precedent-setting secession as inspiration for other Russophone regions in the East. Touchy.

346. Phil - March 12, 2014

@344. Yep. Details are a bit on the thin side at them moment.

347. Phil - March 12, 2014

@345. I suspect that Putin is savvy enough to understand that Obama remains an empty suit, and that the mental midgets in the GOP are enough to hamstring the President. The only X factor here is that Obama does feel the need to engage in a little chest thumping, so we need to rely on the commanders of the military assets the president is positing in the general area to exercise enough common sense to avoid confrontation with the Russians.

I suspect that events will play out as you described, which may not be a bad thing. Putin may be a thug, but I suspect he knows better then to get reckless.

348. AJ - March 12, 2014

Phil:

Bringing President Obama into any conversation about Crimea is ludicrous, except as it pertains to how he and other European leaders have their hands tied by what is now a true global economy that includes Russia as a major supplier of oil. The issue is so specifically local, and enjoys support here and in Ukraine. Germany has expressed disinterest in sanctions, and the US is screaming about denying visas to members of the Russian government, as if all they ever do is fly back and forth to the US. China is non-committal. That’s a lot of ‘meh’ which seems to point to “let them sort it out themselves” as the best course of action.

Using the same logic as many who believe the US should take decisive action, after attacking Iraq and Afghanistan, the US should have simply been castrated internationally. But we weren’t. Attacking Russia for a small move within its own sphere of influence which enjoys a great deal of support by the local population is unproductive and stupid.

Putin needs to make his next move. There are no threats the West can make which have any teeth whatsoever. And what’s the point in the end?

349. Basement Blogger - March 12, 2014

Crimean crisis Trekmovie edition, part four or Democracy Russian Style.

On Sunday’s Crimean ballot, you cannot say no to joining the Russian Federation. There’s no choice for you to say that you want Crimea to stay with Ukraine. Oh Vlad… Back in the USSR….

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/12/crimea-vote-join-russia-ballot-no-option_n_4947557.html

350. Basement Blogger - March 12, 2014

…. meanwhile, Fox News misspells “Spelling Bee.” Love Media Matters comment. Hey, Fox does have some great looking blonde anchors.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/10/fox-spelling-bee-news-friends-first_n_4935809.html?utm_hp_ref=media

351. Phil - March 12, 2014

AJ
The news conference held by Arseniy Yatsenyuk after his meeting with Obama today was telling. They understand that they need a solid relationship with Russia and with the west. I also suspect that he understands that, Obama’s posturing aside, that no one is riding to their rescue if some hothead in Kiev decides to start shooting. You’re in a better position to comment – my understanding is that about 60% of the Ukraine’s population is ethnic Russian, so the referendum will just formalize what we know – Putin will redefine the border where he wants it, and Europe will live with it. My concern, though small, is that on the world stage an increasingly irrelevant Obama does something stupid to suddenly become relevant again. I’d be a bit happier if he’d get the F-16’s out of Poland and the destroyers back into the Mediterranean.

352. Aurore - March 13, 2014

@ 344. Mr. Ballz – March 12, 2014
“There are reports that etc, etc…”
________

Yeah, yeah, yeah…

There are reports that Mr. Cumberbatch said something… “Trek-related” :

“…One question that has excited ‘Star Trek’ fans is whether his character, who all but stole the last film, will appear in the next one. There is certainly that possibility: He ended the film frozen in a pod and stored away in space. (‘That was a stupid thing to do,’ Cumberbatch said, referring to Starfleet Command. ‘They should have just blown me up.’)…”

Link if authorized, here :

http://tmagazine.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/03/07/the-case-of-the-accidental-superstar/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

Mr. Ballz, although Mr. Cumberbatch himself did not confirm anything regarding his character in this article (unless I misread), should… “Khan”… return, before you say anything, just remember :

Alex: We couldn’t use Khan just as a gimmick, as an excuse to get fans into the theaters. Once we developed the story, suddenly the details of Khan’s life became an even better way to tell it. Only when we decided that Khan really does fit here – and the fans know that Khan is to the series what The Joker is to ‘Batman’ - that’s when we decided we earned it.

Bob : And that’s when we went for it. Khan is the ultimate Easter egg.
Alex: No doubt.

Bob : Khan is the Cadbury Easter egg of ‘Star Trek.’ He is the richest, most delicious, ridiculously sweet Easter egg.

(Link if authorized, here) :

http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/the-reel-breakdown/check-star-trek-writers-planting-easter-eggs-tribbles-215642312.html

353. Phil - March 13, 2014

As much as it appalls Bob for the lowly minions to be questing his brilliant insights, referencing Khan as an Easter Egg is completely and totally wrong. By definition:

An Easter egg is an intentional inside joke, hidden message, or feature in a work such as a computer program, movie, book, or crossword. The name has been said to evoke the idea of a traditional Easter egg hunt.

Wrong, Alex – you did use Khan as a gimmick, or at least tried to. The only way the Batman/Joker analogy is valid is if Joker was kept secure in the asylum for twenty years. On further consideration, you really didn’t develop his backstory beyond what was presented in Space Seed. So, all you did was co-opt the name and elements of the character and crossed your fingers that no one would notice this was nothing more then WOK 2.0.

Yeah, I’m venting. Probably would not care so much if there was a bit of candor on the part of Bob and Alex, just a small confession that while it seemed a good idea at the time, in hindsight, not so much. No such luck, I’m suspecting that Bob is probably a bit on the arrogant side in person, because he gets a bit testy when someone calls him on the bulls**t on line. So, hearing BC and AE prattle on about continued involvement in Trek does send a shiver down my spine. A impending doom shiver, that is…

Sorry, but if the next installment is Khan, Part II, I’m staying home.

354. Phil - March 13, 2014

If there is a better analogy for STID, it’s a green movie. Recycled characters, recycled script.

355. CmdrR - March 13, 2014

Kirk Prime is working the social media…

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2014/03/12/kirk-out-william-shatner-tweets-that-hes-quiting-twitter/6335027/

356. AJ - March 13, 2014

I get the impression that having Cumby’s character turn into Khan was more of an afterthought after the commercial potential of not killing the character was weighed, given the actor’s current ascendancy in the entertainment world. JJ probably thought : “Sure, let’s make him Khan..Whatevers. For the fans, if you writers think they’ll give a crap.” In that respect, it can be shoehorned into the “Easter Egg” category, though just barely.

I just hope that the abomination of that version of Khan is totally dead. And I am a Cumberbatch supporter in general. And he did decent work in the film with what he was given. Now that Trek has been shown to have legs overseas, you can bet the idea of bringing him back will not be far from Paramount’s mind.

Speaking of which, we are now in the usual ‘between-the-films-waste-all-accumulated-brand-equity” period where all money spent as part of the films’ budgets to increase awareness of Trek generally goes into the toilet. This means they will have to do a cold re-start again for the new film as most people will have forgotten the previous two due to no cartoons, no toys, no PC games, and no publicity, except for the usual expensive adult masturbation ship models that are released by unknown companies, and sit boxed in basements around North America, or for sale on eBay. What 50th Anniversary?

357. Basement Blogger - March 13, 2014

Aurore,

Stop flying your starship around Paris without its cloak! You’re going to be spotted. That violates the Prime Directive. And could you wait till you leave orbit before you engage your warp. Thank you.

Huffington Post story about triangular UFOs with Youtube video of Parisian ship and its warp departure.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/07/triangular-ufos_n_4913806.html?utm_hp_ref=ufo

But seriously, the Belgian UFO sightings of 1989-1990 were serious stuff. Thousand of eye witnesses. Radar hits. Belgium scrambled jets to give chase. By the way, I think the French video is a hoax. It looks too clear. which means to me, too good to be true. Plus why would a starship hav e what looks like fins.

358. Marja - March 14, 2014

On the CumbyKhan: I agree Mr Cumberbatch sir. They should have blown Khan up. I agree most heartily.

I predict, sadly and with great trepidation, that Abrams started building Klingons in Trek1 [but cut the scenes]; showed them in Trek2, along with Khannnnn; and that both will appear in Trek3. There will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Phil, I expect Bob was just doing the usual Hollywood fluff-up of the requisite behinds. I mean, does ANYONE promoting a movie ever say something bad about the movie? I agree that now, he should admit that “Khan” was the weakest plot element. Now John Harrison/Ericksson might have been a different story ….

OHHH FOR A DIFFERENT STORY

348 AJ, Does Russia have a lot of support in Crimea? I thought maybe some of that ‘support’ was ginned up by Putin’s propaganda? Or is that just the Euro-American media “takeaway.”

350 Bernie, Maybe Phil can get his wish, but instead of beaming down to Victoria’s Secret, Alice Eve becomes a FUX* News anchor. She has the right coloring, blonde, blue-eyed …
*Of course you know that was a typo, right?

“I heard Vlad singin’, ‘Bye, bye, Miss Ukrainian pie’ …” naw that doesn’t fit.

“UUUUkraine girls really knock me out, they leave the West behind.” Uhh, wait, guess that should be “they leave Russia behind …”
“Back in the US! Back in the US! Back in the USSR!!!!”
—————————————————————————

356 AJ, stupid, innit. GOD IT’S SO FRUSTRATING

359. Aurore - March 14, 2014

@ 357.

“…Stop flying your starship around Paris without its cloak! You’re going to be spotted. That violates the Prime Directive. And could you wait till you leave orbit before you engage your warp. Thank you…”

________

Was anyone scared ?!

Come on! That was funny !!!

Alright, if you insist, I’ll try, Mr. Wong.

…I really can’t promise anything, though ; since I got my flying license, I’m under the impression that the world belongs to me. Can’t help it.

Centuries ago, as a child, I was impressed by accounts of The War Of The Worlds (I am referring to the 1938 radio broadcast, not the novel). To make matters worse, I actually had the opportunity to listen to the thing once…or twice.

So, in fact, what I did was Orson Welles’ fault.

Sorry. ‘Got to go now ; the world belongs to me…

:)

360. AJ - March 14, 2014

358:

Marja:

60% of the 2m people in Crimea identify as Russian, and the Russian Black Sea fleet is stationed in Sevastopol under a long-term lease agreement between Russia and Ukraine. Historically, Crimea has been in the Russian sphere of influence for a few centuries. In fact, many consider the only differences amongst Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians to be in the small differences in their languages. They are essentially the same Slavic stock (Ukrainian and Belarusian sound like a combination of Russian and Polish, with Poland bordering all three countries).

Considering all of this, there is also the realization that Russia is far more well-off at present than Ukraine, which makes the Crimean population hopeful that their lives will improve, and that Russian investment in the region will provide more reliable employment with higher pay and standard of living as part of the Russian Federation. So, the propaganda, while decidedly over-the-top, is not really having much of an effect on the locals’ desire to go pro-Russia (not that there is another option on the table).

361. Phil - March 14, 2014

AJ,
We are ten months out since the release of STID, and, as you observed, history does seem to be repeating itself. From what I’ve read the publishing side of the franchise is alive and well, and it appears that Paramount’s push back into amusement/entertainment complexes will be modeled on the BR model of Trek. The only missing piece of the puzzle seems to be broadcast/cinema content – as it seems to be profitable, it’s a head scratcher as to why it seems to be an afterthought to Paramount and CBS.

I’ve taken some s**t on this, but at this point I’ll continue to say that the 50th anniversary is going to be on TV. Hopefully the suits at CBS/Paramount paid attention to how the BBC handled Doctor Who, and will plan accordingly. Most of the big movies hitting the big screen in 2016 look like they’ll be in front of the camera’s this summer, fall at the latest, and all we are getting out of Bob is they are working on ‘it’. K/O and BR have very, very full schedules the next 24 months, it’s pretty unrealistic that they are going to shoehorn in another project. And if Zoe has a hit on her hands with GOTG, she’s not going to be available at all.

Me thinks we need to be patient, and hope the Trek flower doesn’t wither on the vine.

362. Aurore - March 14, 2014

@ 359. Addendum.

“… By the way, I think the French video is a hoax…”

_______

In all seriousness, it has always been difficult for me not to consider accounts of UFO sightings as hoaxes.

The 1938 radio broadcast I mentioned earlier, some of its consequences according to what I heard years ago, might have a little something to do with that fact. Truth be told, I know it does. At least, to an extent.

[For example, I remember being really intrigued by what happened behind the scenes , i.e., the way some people (apparently) reacted to the radio program etc...]

363. AJ - March 14, 2014

Phil:

It is tough to “be patient” when the two JJ films were delayed for whatever reasons (also known as lack of ability to observe deadlines). Obviously, “to make the best Trek possible” or whatever BS we were fed for the delay of STID was a load of crap. Lipstick on a pig, in the end.

As Star Trek fans, we always seem to get short shrift compared to other well-managed properties. Now, even Indiana Jones has more coverage on the web than anything Star Trek related, and that series is 1 great film, 2 mediocre ones, and one piece of shit. Trek is 800 hours of filmed content.

I hope you are right about TV being the milieu chosen by CBS to celebrate the 50th anniversary. TV is now the better place to go for quality drama, acting and ballsier imagination fuel, for sure. I will not hold my breath.

364. Harry Ballz - March 14, 2014

CBS should launch a new Star Trek TV show on September 6, 2016 to commemorate the 50th anniversary of Trek.

They could even film a scene NOW with Shatner and Nimoy TOGETHER and say it’s a holographic “snippet” of the two reminiscing about the time Spock went back in time and saved Kirk from dying on Veridian III.

That would effectively erase ST: Generations from existence (there’s a plus) and make fandom happy that the original Kirk lived to a ripe old age.

Voila….happy ending to the original canon….and the adventure continues.

365. CmdrR - March 15, 2014

364 – Yeah. I was there when Kirk and Spock talked about the rescue on Veridian III. That was right before they hatched the plan to go back to the early days and slap those ridiculous oversized nacelle condoms on the E and pretend Spock had emotions and was totally p*zzy-whipped by Uhura… and that Khan was easily located even though no one knew he had left in the Botany Bay… and…

**sigh**

366. Phil - March 15, 2014

Anything that erases Generations is a plus. A little inconsistent continuity is a small price to pay…

367. Basement Blogger - March 15, 2014

Crimean crisis Trekmovie edition. Part five or for you Chris Pine fans, “This Means Cold War.”

Russians take a village OUTSIDE of Crimea. Meanwhile, the U.N. Security Council votes to declare tomorrow’s annexation, er… Anschluss er… sorry Premier Putin… Crimean referendum to be illegal. All nations vote in favor of the U.N. Resolution with China abstaining. One big exception to the overwhelming vote.

Let me see…

Is the Pope Catholic?
Is Jackie Mason Jewish?
Is Khan in Star Trek Into Darkness?

Drum roll… Russia vetoed the Resolution.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/15/ukraine-russian-forces_n_4971019.html

368. AJ - March 15, 2014

Well, the Crimean referendum is today. The choices:

1) Yes! I am for joining with Russia!

2) No! Of course I wouldn’t mind becoming part of Russia!

Russian Special Forces have been sent in as impartial observers to make sure the ballot is free and fair, so that no doubts will remain.

I am actually going to be down on the Russian side of the Ukraine border (Rostov & Krasnodar) this Monday through Thursday, just in time for yesterday’s US State Dept. travel alert for Americans to ‘be aware’ of all the potential fun extra-curricular intercultural activities in the region planned for this Spring:

http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/alertswarnings/russia-travel-alert-events-in-ukraine.html

While these alerts tend to over-state the potential risks, and I can handle myself in unpredictable situations here, I will have that extra eye out for stuff, for sure. Just hoping nothing happens for the sake of the people down there on both “sides.”

369. Phil - March 15, 2014

@368. Well, unless someone does something stupid, this should resolve without anyone firing a shot…unless John McCain gets caught at the airport trying to smuggle grenades in in his pants.

Regardless, keep your head down, and stay safe.

370. Mitchell - March 15, 2014

@292. Basement Blogger – March 3, 2014

Plug RT all you want, they lost what credibility they had left this year on into dumbness and Iron Man 3 alone. Core fans of franchises & average moviegoers alike give them little regard for good reason. By the time Man Of Steel came out RT had to send people out to make rounds on the interview circuit to answer for why the “ratings” were so out of touch with the audiences.

STID spoon fed enough of it’s silly attempts at making social/global commentary but what you don’t understand is that merely mentioning possible themes and poorly examining them at surface level doesn’t mean a film has depth…and that connects perfectly to where you completely misjudge Gravity & into dumbness on their most basic level.
You talk about reading the screenplay book and want to praise STID for ‘showing and not telling’ but blow off Gravity as sci-fi in general which is astounding because Cuaron didn’t just create a cinematic achievement he put on a masterclass in how communicate through film.
The camera movements and long pans told the story every bit as much as the actors, with the dialogue rounding out themes and putting the cherry on top of things scene by scene. The story of survival and humanity in Gravity alone carries it near the levels of Clarke’s Space Odyssey & Wells’ War of the Worlds. By the end of the film Bullock and the humanity she represents earn their place. That’s why every one from James Cameron & Ridley Scott to Kevin Smith have only the highest praise for Gravity, it’s a science fiction and filmmaking masterpiece.

What little i could give abrams credit for in that regard he literally washed off the screen with a giant lens flare. Abrams set up and shot a Hitchcock type moment between Alice Eve and Peter Weller then just blew up the camera frame with the flare and let the convenient story just beam her over to Weller’s ship–>EPIC FAILURE AT FILMMAKING.
Imagine if at the climax of Blade Runner Harrison Ford wasn’t hanging from the ledge but just standing there safely while Rutger Hauer was only seen as a black silhouette as he delivered his final lines and no one ever saw his acting or the demeanor of the character in the much revered scene before he dies?

-Scene after scene into dumbess delivered goofs like that on top of it’s already incredibly thin “story”.

If it was every bit as highly thought of and successful as you wish it was why didn’t Paramount make it clear right away they are looking for top flight replacements for abrams and demonstrate how excited they are about moving forward by announcing their big plans to follow up for the 50TH ANNIVERSARY OF STAR TREK? Why did lindelof & kurtzman get the boot?

/CASE CLOSED.

371. Mitchell - March 15, 2014

@292. Basement Blogger – March 3, 2014

Plug RT all you want, they lost what credibility they had left this year on into dumbness and Iron Man 3 alone. Core fans of franchises & average moviegoers alike give them little regard for good reason. By the time Man Of Steel came out RT had to send people out to make rounds on the interview circuit to answer for why the “ratings” were so out of touch with the audiences.

STID spoon fed enough of it’s silly attempts at making social/global commentary but what you don’t understand is that merely mentioning possible themes and poorly examining them at surface level doesn’t mean a film has depth…and that connects perfectly to where you completely misjudge Gravity & into dumbness on their most basic level.
You talk about reading the screenplay book and want to praise STID for ‘showing and not telling’ but blow off Gravity as sci-fi in general which is astounding because Cuaron didn’t just create a cinematic achievement he put on a masterclass in how communicate through film.
The camera movements and long pans told the story every bit as much as the actors, with the dialogue rounding out themes and putting the cherry on top of things scene by scene. The story of survival and humanity in Gravity alone carries it near the levels of Clarke’s Space Odyssey & Wells’ War of the Worlds. By the end of the film Bullock and the humanity she represents earn their place. That’s why every one from James Cameron & Ridley Scott to Kevin Smith have only the highest praise for Gravity, it’s a science fiction and filmmaking masterpiece.

What little i could give abrams credit for in that regard he literally washed off the screen with a giant lens flare. Abrams set up and shot a Hitchcock type moment between Alice Eve and Peter Weller then just blew up the camera frame with the flare and let the convenient story just beam her over to Weller’s ship–>EPIC FAILURE AT FILMMAKING.
Imagine if at the climax of Blade Runner Harrison Ford wasn’t hanging from the ledge but just standing there safely while Rutger Hauer was only seen as a black silhouette as he delivered his final lines and no one ever saw his acting or the demeanor of the character in the much revered scene before he dies?

-Scene after scene into dumbess delivered goofs like that on top of it’s already incredibly thin “story”.

If it was every bit as highly thought of and successful as you wish it was why didn’t Paramount make it clear right away they are looking for top flight replacements for abrams and demonstrate how excited they are about moving forward by announcing their big plans to follow up for the 50TH ANNIVERSARY OF STAR TREK? Why did lindelof & kurtzman get the boot?

/CASE CLOSED.

372. Mitchell - March 16, 2014

@358. Marja – March 14, 2014
Yup Marja. If there is a next film with this group, all signs point to it being another remake of the mashed up stories of Errand Of Mercy and The Undiscovered Country plus the exact same rehashes from the last two films copied again.

And don’t forget the plainly obvious “commentary” plugged in from the current Russian, Chinese situations and probably the missing Malaysian plane as well.

…sad part is as funny as it is, i’m not joking. =/

373. Marja - March 16, 2014

AJ I hope you will be safe. Look Russian!

I’m worried about the citizens there. “Vote” indeed. Like they used to do in the USSR no doubt …. Please let us know how it goes and when you have got back safe and sound.

i think Putin’s a psycho.

371 Mitchell, look at the bright side, man, maybe Lindelof got the boot cos he screwed the pooch on STiD. Kurtzman, I think, is working on something else at this time. Maybe BR / Paramount thought the story would be better off w/o him, IDK, but it’ll def be better off w/o Lindelof.

I’m not sure what you mean by ” another remake of the mashed up stories of Errand Of Mercy and The Undiscovered Country ” but I sure hope they’ve got Captain Kirk all sorted out now and, y’know, captain-like.

374. Mitchell - March 16, 2014

@373. Marja – March 16, 2014
They way things were left in STID and given bob orci’s very creative track record as a writer, it’s likely if they make a next film it will be one part remake of Star Trek VI and one part remake of the TOS episode: Errand of Mercy. Where the Klingon’s first debuted.

How are you these days Marja? It’s been awhile since i chatted it up with you guys/gals on here.

375. AJ - March 16, 2014

I am thinking the 50th Anniversary “Trek” will rely more on a tried and true gimmick for mass appeal and the warm nostalgia Paramount will mistakenly believe the fans crave — the crew travels time to the present day!

Why?

1) STIV is arguably the only original cast film that “cast a wide net” even to non-genre fans due its light ‘fish out of water'(no puns intended!) feel. Cash is king.

2) Sending the cast back to 2016 for a romp doesn’t require a great brain to understand beyond someone barking the words “time travel” after a Bridge officer refers to if technically (a la Riker in ST:FC)

3)The film will essentially write itself, and will not require a cabal of highly paid busy writers with no time management skills (‘Haha! Spock’s wearing a Yankees cap!’ is good for 10 minutes of laughs at least. Simon Pegg can get drunk in a bar and hook up with his great great grandma – 15 minutes.).

4) Present-day Trek will allow for a shedload of product placement (“Michelob?! F*** that shit! Pabst Blue Ribbon!”)

5) Tribbles can be tossed in at any time as a “wink” to the “hardcore Trekkies” who saw them for the first time in DS9 (despite having been hit over the head with them in the past two films). Chekov can retrieve the Klingon phaser and communicator other-Chekov left in Sausalito back in 1986 to see if we’re paying attention and thus cause the Internet to explode.

I just have no great expectations any more. Hollywood needs blockbusters, and when they say that billion-dollar films have razor-thin margins these days, it just means we have no choice but to hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Whatever version of Trek gets butts in seats will be the one that moves forward cinematically. Maybe they need a silly super-blockbuster to get CBS back into considering the franchise for TV.

376. Mitchell - March 16, 2014

@375. AJ – March 16, 2014
roflmao! but oh gosh you are so right A.J.

Maybe they go Last Action Hero with it and break down “the third wall” to come into the reality we live in. Imagine them seeing themselves!

377. Lindsaysf - March 16, 2014

Any of you like comic cons? SDCC? Last year was my first at SDCC – wow! I was also delighted with Nerd HQ – vid games, demos, parties!, panels. This year they need help to keep going – even just $5 a person. Check it out: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/i-want-my-nerd-hq-2014/x/641260

378. Aurore - March 16, 2014

“…I just have no great expectations any more…”
_______

My expectations were so high after watching Star Trek ( 2009 ). I really enjoyed that movie…

So, what happens for the franchise after its highest-grossing movie ever (?) was released, I ask (again). Today, I am just curious to know who is going to direct the next Star Trek.

I just want the information . That’s all.
Did you hear anything new/relevant, on that front, lately?

:))

Joking aside, as far as the next Star Trek is concerned, from what I’ve read so far (interviews, etc…), I know what…not…to expect.

…But, as an optimist, I would not mind being proven wrong…

:)

379. Basement Blogger - March 16, 2014

@ 370

Wow. Mitchell you don’t understand Rotten Tomatoes at all. It’s a site that takes FILM CRITICS REVIEWS and places them into positive and negative categories. it then uses math to reach a conclusion whether a movie has critical consensus about it being a well received movie or not. Again, we are talking about film critics. So that’s it’s conclusions are as accurate as possible, a film that receives critical acclaim must have a SUPER MAJORITY. Whether the public liked a movie is not what Rotten
Tomatoes does. IT’S ABOUT CRITICAL CONSENSUS.

Okay, you don’t like Rotten Tomatoes. Let’s look at the other major movie survey site, shall we? Let’s look at Metacritic. Let’s see how they surveyed FILM CRITICS on Star Trek Into Darkness.

Star Trek Into Darkness scored seventy two which according to the site is considered “generally favorable.” That’s among film critics. Got it? It is not surveying people who saw the movie. However there is a portion of fans who spent time to review the movie and scored it. How did STID do here? It scored 7.9 average out of ten. According to Metacritic, that’s also considered “generally favorable.” So where are all those fans that you say hated the movie? Are we talking about the ones who made STID the highest grossing Star Trek movie ever? Maybe you don’t believe Russian troops are in Crimea either.

http://www.metacritic.com/movie/star-trek-into-darkness

Sorry, Mitchell name calling a movie doesn’t make you logical, mature or eloquent. The case is not closed as you say. The facts are this. Star Trek Into Darkness was the highest grossing Star Trek movie ever. Two major film survey sites have said it received critical praise. Just because you hate it, doesn’t mean that a substantial amount of fans or critics hated the movie. The facts are not on your side. But if f you don’t like math, I can’t help you.

I can’t defend Paramount for not getting a top flight director or well know writers to help Bob Orci. . But if you’ve read ‘s comments on this site, he said there’s no script yet for Star Trek 3 and hence, no need to name a director at this point. I mean if you want Steven Spielberg, you need a script. He’s not going to sign on unless he gets to read the script.

Additionally, let’s talk business shall we? In business, there’s a term called “maximizing profits.” What that means, is that a business lowers costs so the profits are larger. Paramount is not a charity, it’s a business. So, if they want to make more money they want to lower costs. That includes the costs that a Spielberg may demand. it’s one reason why it’s likely Star Trek 3 will be filmed in a place with good tax breaks. As a Trekker, I want quality writers to help Bob and a great director. But big budget filmmaking is both art and business. I’m not happy with some of Paramount’s decisions but let’s just wait until they announce the director.

As far as Gravity, I always liked the film. I gave it an A grade. It’s not a perfect movie but neither is STID. I may have changed my mind on whether Gravity is science fiction or not but that’s just opinion. I can also see the opinion of those who say it’s science fiction. I have praised Cuaron’s long and poetic shots. He deserved the Oscar for “Best Editing.”

380. CmdrR - March 16, 2014

Boobies.

Sorry, I miss the old days.

381. Harry Ballz - March 16, 2014

As to the merit of the next Trek film?

I lean towards being positive-minded……..

As in……I’M POSITIVE IT’S GOING TO STINK TO HIGH HEAVEN!!!!!!!

Orci is a hack and now he has two newbies compelled to do his bidding.

Sad.

382. CmdrR - March 16, 2014

Harry?
Did Orci send back your script soaked in pee pee or something?

383. Aurore - March 16, 2014

@ Mr. Ballz.

“…I lean towards being positive-minded……..
As in……I’M POSITIVE IT’S GOING TO STINK TO HIGH HEAVEN!!!!!!!…”
______

My point, exactly.
…However, as I said ; “…I would not mind being proven wrong…”

:)

384. Harry Ballz - March 16, 2014

@382

It feels like that, CmdrR.

@383 Aurore “I would not mind being proven wrong”

I guess one gets accustomed to something when it happens on a regular basis.

385. Aurore - March 16, 2014

@ Mr. Ballz.

“…I guess one gets accustomed to something when it happens on a regular basis.”

______

Ain’t dat da truth.
I’m accustomed to your attitude.

…Of course, the only reason why I don’t break your legs is because we don’t live in the same country…

(Regarding the next Star Trek, if I’m proven wrong, it will mean that the movie is excellent. Which would be good ; I could get accustomed to such a state of affairs!)

386. Mitchell - March 16, 2014

“Damnit Jim what’s the matter with you!?”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/9836053/Film-star-Chris-Pine-pleads-guilty

387. Harry Ballz - March 16, 2014

@385 Aurore

“the only reason I don’t break your legs is because we don’t live in the same country”

So, Aurore, by your own admission, if you lived near me, you’d like to touch my legs.

Mmmmmmmmm, nice.

388. Aurore - March 16, 2014

@ Mr. Ballz.

“…So, Aurore, by your own admission, if you lived near me, you’d like to touch my legs…”

_______

Oh, baby.

I like it when you put words in my mouth, as it were.
Resorting to “troll” tactics, eh? How deliciously annoying.

‘Makes me want to be near you right this minute in order to…”touch”… your legs…and, your nose…

:)

389. Aurore - March 16, 2014

@ Mr. Ballz.

I will have to e-mail you my answer. My joke has not not been approved!
As you said a few days ago; “Maybe that’s a good thing”.

:))

@ The management.

Mr. Ballz is NOT a troll!

390. Edshrinker - March 16, 2014

Hey Aurore, Harry, Marja and all the others! It has been awhile since I have been around and I apologize.

I do some (unpaid) writing for TV.COM (CBS Interactive) and had an idea I thought you all may be interested in. Matt Wright, I’d be honored if you had a place for it here as well – since news is a little slow. I know it would be a thrill to see it here.

I already made my plug for you guys, but a lot of what I know is thanks to Trekmovie. Say hello – let me know it’s you if you visit!

http://www.tv.com/topics/general-tv-discussion/community/post/how-star-trek-brings-the-reboot-to-television-1394988447/

391. Basement Blogger - March 16, 2014

Crimean Crisis Trekmovie edition part six or ‘Contract law, Russian Style.

First, AJ, be careful. I’m not sure it’s safe to be an American in Russia now. Things could be worse. You could be a gay American in Russia.

Back in 1994, after the breakup of the Soviet Union, Ukraine became the third largest nuclear power. That was due to the fact that the Soviet Union stationed nukes there. To disarm the country, Ukraine, Great Britain, Russia and the United States entered into an agreement called The Budapest Memorandum.” The deal worked this way. Ukraine would give up its nukes to Russia in exchange that its existing borders would be respected by Russia. That includes the Crimea Peninsula.

So today’s Crimean referendum and the all but certain annexation by Russia violates international law. One could argue that the law was broken when Russian troops invaded Crimea weeks ago. By the way, the whole referendum was a sham anyway. The current Crimean legislature was put in place to put this referendum up. You see the old one was dismissed. (BBC Report) Plus, an elector could not vote no to joining Russia and stay in the Ukraine.

The Klingons are back.

392. Edshrinker - March 16, 2014

And since we are talking JJ Abrams & Karl Urban / Orci and Kurtzman with John Cho with these 2 shows, you might be interested in these as well.

They were abandoned by the Staff tasked to cover them, I ended up covering the whole second half of Almost Human and the 2-part finale of Sleepy Hollow :

Almost Human
http://www.tv.com/shows/almost-human/community/

Sleepy Hollow – The indispensable Man:
http://www.tv.com/shows/sleepy-hollow/community/post/sleepy-hollow-the-indispensable-man-season-finale-part-1-photo-recap-1390437349/

And Bad Blood:
http://www.tv.com/shows/sleepy-hollow/community/post/sleepy-hollow-bad-blood-season-finale-part-2-photo-recap-1390441366/

393. CmdrR - March 16, 2014

382 – Harry?
Did Orci send back your script soaked in pee pee or something?

384 – It feels like that, CmdrR.

Elaborate? (Bear in mind I’ve been a “professional writer” for 30 years… meaning my perfectly good work has been disrespected every way imaginable by petty over-rewarded people who change things or ignore them to prove (falsely) that they’re superior.

394. CmdrR - March 17, 2014

Wow, St. Patrick’s all but gone and not one “It’s green!” line to be found in here…

Sad, really.

395. Marja - March 17, 2014

Oh, Dear CmdrR, I save that for my ST fanfic ;-)

396. Harry Ballz - March 17, 2014

@393

CmdrR, here’s the thing about Orci. it took a couple of years of me politely asking him to read my script, after he initially said he’d like to read it. finally he does and gives me okay feedback. He said they had no interest in pursuing it, so I asked if he knew anyone in Bruckheimer’s company. He said he did and that he’d get back to me. Never did. When I was younger I would probably push a lot harder in repeatedly writing him to ask what’s up. these days, I figure screw it.

Orci only pays attention to someone when it suits his purposes.

397. CmdrR - March 18, 2014

396 – You may be right, Harry, and I don’t defend that practice, but “pays attention to someone when it suits his purposes” describes about 75% of the bosses I’ve worked with over the years. It kills me that their bosses think that behavior is getting the job done. Failing to listen to ideas is why we get the same half dozen movies over and over.

398. LizardGirl - March 18, 2014

@392 Edshrinker

…Wow, you write for these shows?! My coworker is extremely into Sleepy Hollow. It’s the only show that will get her to talk about something other than Fringe.

As for Almost Human…I used to watch it myself, but it started feeling like CSI with robots. Kind of…more of the same procedural type formula that most crime shows seem to follow. But I do know someone who is a fan.

Hopefully, you’ll get paid for your hard work in the future.

399. Marja - March 18, 2014

396 Harry, I wonder, if you had persisted, whether Orci would have got back to you. You know how busy he is, so busy he hasn’t been able to write a ST script without improbable leaps and full of plot holes … [though I do like his "take" on the characters, to a point].

400. Aurore - March 18, 2014

@ Mr. Ballz.

“…Orci only pays attention to someone when it suits his purposes.”

_________

That is called humility, my friend ; he knows when to ask for help :

Ryan: What is the reasoning behind bringing Damon Lindelof on board as co-writer of the sequel (instead of his previous role as Producer)? Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy and respect Mr. Lindelof’s work (especially on Lost), but it seems to me that you guys did an excellent job on your own. Why mix it up? Does he have some bad-ass idea for a sequel, and all of you guys are just acting coy?

BobOrci: Damon will be breaking the story with us and Alex and I will write the screenplay. The logic is that he is a A GENIUS and we’ll take all the help we can get to make sure the next movie is as good as it can be.

http://trekmovie.com/2009/05/22/orci-and-kurtzman-reveal-star-trek-details-in-trekmovie-fan-qa/

That is how you are in a position to deliver highest-grossing movies, I presume.

By paying attention to the right people.You know, geniuses, people like that…

What?

Don’t give me that look! After all, I’m just a member of the international audience trying to help, over here!!!

I never pretended to be a genius…

:)

401. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - March 18, 2014

Harry. Keep after him. Don’t give up. If you have to. Use your secret weapon. Erica Durance. Lol.

402. Harry Ballz - March 18, 2014

I appreciate the support, guys. I gave you the short version of events…

I emailed back and forth with Orci a handful of times over several years. I wrote a couple of polite reminders/queries here and there as we went through the process.

I always felt that I was walking a fine line of not wanting to come across as overbearing or too damn pushy.

I guess the most frustrating part of the interaction was his mixed reaction. I much prefer, when someone doesn’t want to pursue something, that they just say, “no, not at this time”. I find, with any interaction I’ve had with Hollywood types, they “kill you with kindness”. They know how painful it is to hear “no”, so they go out of their way to say things like, “Great job! Well done! Oh, it has merit. Let’s see what we can do. I may know someone.”

The general mantra in Hollywood seems to be “You wrote a great script, but WE’RE not interested in pursuing it”

Funny, if it’s that great of a script, you’d think someone would want it.

403. Marja - March 18, 2014

Harry said, I find, with any interaction I’ve had with Hollywood types, they “kill you with kindness”.

Which is why we have never heard, and will never hear, Orci say a word agin’ Lindelof.

Even Alexander Payne and George Clooney don’t talk trash about each other [they were rumored to have come to blows during "Three Kings"].

I think the folks in Hollywood dance around the “ugly truth” about each other because they may be working together again at some point.

404. Aurore - March 19, 2014

@ 401. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire – March 18, 2014

“Harry. Keep after him. Don’t give up. If you have to. Use your secret weapon… Lol.

_________

…My god.

For a moment there, I thought you were going to ask him to use his… “ostrich/bald eagle”…You scared me!

:)

…By the way, leave Miss Durance alone.
That’s right man ; I am threatening you.

405. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - March 19, 2014

Aurore. You miss understand me. I mean. Miss durance begs me to use her as a weapon. I mean. She pleads with me. If I don’t use her. She Haunts me. day and night!. So what choice do I have! Oh my!. She won’t leave me alone!. OMG!. I think I am going to go Crazy!!!!!!.

406. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - March 19, 2014

In other news. Miss Durance will gust on AMCs The Walking Dead as a Walker.
Looks like they Type Cast her.

407. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - March 19, 2014

Hang in there Harry. Sometimes it takes a moment for real Talent to be discovered. But when you are. Remember us little people.

408. Aurore - March 19, 2014

@ 405. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire – March 19, 2014

“…You miss understand me. I mean. Miss durance begs me to use her as a weapon. I mean. She pleads with me. If I don’t use her. She Haunts me. day and night!. So what choice do I have! Oh my!. She won’t leave me alone!. OMG!. I think I am going to go Crazy!!!!!!.”

________________

…M’yeah…m’yeah.

If you say so…

I. Will. Be. Watching. You .

409. Aurore - March 19, 2014

“Hang in there Harry. Sometimes it takes a moment for real Talent to be discovered. But when you are. Remember us little people.”
__________

Well said, Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire.

:)

410. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - March 19, 2014

Hmm. So Aurore. You will be watching me.
But Who? Watches the Watcher. Hmmmm

411. Aurore - March 19, 2014

@ Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire – March 19, 2014

“… You will be watching me. But Who? Watches the Watcher…. ”

_________

…The NSA ?

:)

412. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - March 19, 2014

N.S.A.

D’oh!

413. Marja - March 19, 2014

413 Or Erica Durance. She may be jealous of Aurore watching Emperor Mike.

414. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - March 19, 2014

413. Marja – March 19, 2014
413 Or Erica Durance. She may be jealous of Aurore watching Emperor Mike.

In the Words of the great and Powerful Homer Simpson.
D’oh!

415. Aurore - March 19, 2014

@ 412. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire – March 19, 2014

“N.S.A.
D’oh!”

_________

… Empress Brooke could do a very good job at watching me watching you (too), Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire ; this Miss Durance-Bashing must stop.

To some extent, I already talked about that, some time ago ( @ 85 )…

:))

…Meanwhile, as I was saying ; I. Will. Be. Watching. You .

416. Harry Ballz - March 19, 2014

You guys are TOO funny.

Don’t make me wet my pants.

Uh, too late.

417. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - March 19, 2014

D’oh!”

418. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - March 19, 2014

Well. It’s interesting yo be watched.

419. SirMartman - March 19, 2014

Chris Pine Arrested in NZ

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/9836053/Film-star-Chris-Pine-pleads-guilty

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1glx9i_chris-pine-arrested-for-dui-in-new-zealand_news

Hic,,

420. CmdrR - March 20, 2014

419 – Tiiiiiiimbeeeerrrrrrrrrr

(I felt sorry as soon as I typed that, but you can’t change what’s typed into a computer.)

421. Captain Slow - March 21, 2014

Interview with Jurassic World director:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/03/18/exclusive-interview-with-the-director-of-jurassic-world

A little disappointing to hear that it will be shot on film. I love film but that rules out native 3-D and forces a conversion.

422. Aurore - March 21, 2014

@ 416 .

“…Don’t make me wet my pants.

Uh, too late.”

_______

This is definitely something you should have tweeted about or/and shared on Facebook, sir.

I feel like the whole world could have benefited from this episode in your life.

…Moreover, as far as I’m concerned, there are not enough distractions in (real)…”news” today…so, I would have been grateful to you…

Having said that, thank you for sharing…here.

I am so proud of you.

423. Harry Ballz - March 21, 2014

Aurore

URINE deep trouble now, young lady!

You never struck me as a “GOLDEN SHOWERS” kind of gal!

PEE-pul who love PEE-pul are the luckiest PEE-pul in the world.

Q: What’s your favorite book?
A: Yellow Streams by I.P. Standing.

Q: Why is life like being a pubic hair on a toilet seat?
A: Sooner or later you’re bound to get pissed off!

424. CmdrR - March 21, 2014

Harry, you sure are a whiz at those stream of consciousness puns. You’re so flush with ‘em, they just flow out and bowl us over. It’s something each of us Depends on. Hope it doesn’t drain you, or make you feel like you’re piddling away your life. Nope, after a few of those, you can go wee wee all the way home.

425. Harry Ballz - March 21, 2014

CmdrR, you made me laugh out loud, so I won’t tell you to “piss off!”

426. Aurore - March 21, 2014

@ Mr. Ballz.

“…URINE deep trouble now, young lady!
You never struck me as a ‘GOLDEN SHOWERS’ kind of gal!…”

_______

(…Oh, man…I knew I should have just left his “wet pants” alone…’reminds me of the day when he was raving like a maniac about “piss ants” and “golden showers”….M’kay…don’t panic…don’t panic…say something…Anything…)

Yo!

I’m a Goldfinger kind of gal ! I’m a Golden Eye …as sung by Tina Turner kind of gal!

…I’m also a (The) Golden Girls kind of gal…you dig?

427. Harry Ballz - March 22, 2014

“Golden Girls kind of gal”????

What, you’re so old that Latin is your native tongue?

The grand prize at your school prom was fire?

You’ve got enough wrinkles to hold a three day rain?

Your social security number is 2?

428. Aurore - March 22, 2014

@ 427. Mr. Ballz.

“‘Golden Girls kind of gal’????

What, you’re so old that Latin is your native tongue?etc…”

_____________

For years you’ve heard me say I grew up watching and enjoying (some “old”) American shows/films. Earlier, I even mentioned a 1938 radio broadcast . You said nothing.

But, let me mention my fondness for a show focusing on four women of a respectable age, and, suddenly “all hell breaks loose”?????

This is really beside the point, though.

I will now, on this public forum, confidently answer your underlying question.

I am so old that…What was your question, again?

:)

429. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - March 22, 2014

What in blazes is that smell.
Smells like a whole bunch of people wetting themselves with peeing excitment.

430. Harry Ballz - March 22, 2014

Q: what did the chronic bed wetter say when he awoke each day?

A: “I LOVE THE SMELL OF URINE IN THE MORNING!”

All together now…………….eeeee-yewww!!

431. Harry Ballz - March 22, 2014

I watched The Book Thief last night. Good movie.

432. CmdrR - March 22, 2014

Happy SHATurday, all.

It is Bill S’s 83rd birthday!

433. CmdrR - March 22, 2014

Saw The Book Thief.

Not bad, but the book was definitely better. Death is a bigger character.

434. Harry Ballz - March 22, 2014

If Shatner gets one more facelift, he’ll look like he’s wearing a pretty funny necktie!

435. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - March 23, 2014

Happy Birthday Jim.

436. CmdrR - March 23, 2014

434 –

Shat: Make me look like a milion.

Tailor: Certainly, Mr. Shatner. Leg?

Shat: 30.

Tailor: Sleeve?

Shat: 15.

Tailor: Waist?

Shat: Ample.

Tailor: Neck?

Shat: Ribbed, for her.

437. Harry Ballz - March 23, 2014

Ribbed, for her pleasure.

If you’re going for a joke, tell it right, pal!

:>)

438. CmdrR - March 23, 2014

Thanks, Harry. That word in the ad was covered by a protein stain in the back of the August 1982 Swank I found in your drawer. Wow, Adriian Barbeau was stacked. Too bad about time and gravity.

439. Harry Ballz - March 23, 2014

Protein stain? CmdrR, I’m surprised you could pull the pages apart!

As for Barbeau, time hasn’t been kind. She’s playing soccer with them now!

440. Basement Blogger - March 23, 2014

Guys, I watched the now deleted video lecture by J.D. Payne, Star Trek 3 newest writer. Posted what I saw on the main thread. There is news from that lecture. Here’s he news.

Paramount accepted the pitch from Orci, Mckay and Payne. First draft of the screenplay is due in May. Since that information came at the end of the lecture, it might have been missed. However, the crew at Trekcore posted the last few minutes. Here’s the video.

http://trekcore.com/blog/2014/03/video-jd-payne-offers-hints-to-star-trek-3-plot-describes-moral-dilemma-for-enterprise-crew/

441. Marja - March 23, 2014

Soon the internet pixies will be out in force, searching for ANYTHING THEY CAN FIND regarding plot spoilers …

… although, I was glad to know about the Khan nonsense in advance so I could brace myself. Bleah-pooh!

442. AJ - March 23, 2014

My home PC is not getting any messages across to CHAT. Sometimes Trekmovie detects spam coming from my home IP address in Russia, and I get shafted. Damn you, Putin!

This is from work, so hopefully you guys will see it!

443. Aurore - March 24, 2014

“…This is from work, so hopefully you guys will see it!”
_________

I can “see” you AJ !

Hi !

:)

444. AJ - March 24, 2014

“I can “see” you AJ !

Hi !”

To quote a well-known country doctor:

“I was lookin’ at him… I was lookin’ right at him. And he just wasn’t there!”

duh-duh-DUHHHHHH.

Nothing else to add, I’m afraid.

445. Aurore - March 24, 2014

“…Nothing else to add, I’m afraid.”
_______

…Since “this is from work”(?)… you should be working, ANYWAY!!!

:))

446. Phil - March 24, 2014

@440. Yep, that’s actually a significant bit of news that is being ignored over on the interview thread. Good job digging that out, Bernie.

Rough draft in May, if done, would suggest a third quarter 2016 release date, which actually might be a good spot for Trek. The schedule is still open, and the bulk of the run would be done before Avatar 2 is released at the end of the year.

447. CmdrR - March 24, 2014

AJ, just glad you haven’t been captured by a brigade of Putin’s puppet army.

On the plus side, now we can get some better Bond films. Ah, a return to Cold War spyjinks!

448. Marja - March 24, 2014

446 Phil, Jan-Mar 1st quarter, Apr-Jun 2nd quarter, Jul-Sep 3rd quarter, Oct-Dec 4th quarter ….

NOOOOoooooo not another Summer release, cripes, a tentpole in true TeenBoy tradition

Unless they time it for early September in honor of ST’s 50th … Sept 8, 1966 :-)

449. CmdrR - March 24, 2014

Folks, let’s face it. The next movie is happening in THIS time, not in 1966 (on television for that matter.) It will be DESIGNED to make money. That means someone is right now picking apart previous movies that made lots of money and theorizing how certain elements can be Frankensteined into a “new” movie for mass consumption. Sploshuns, fistfights, preposterous plot twists… Just accept that that is how summer movies are formulated today.

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/jan/30/steven-soderbergh-retires-from-film

450. Matt Wright - March 24, 2014

@ Phil and Marja — Yep expect it to be a summer release, Paramount keeps trying to get JJ Trek shoved into a summer blockbuster paradigm, whether it fits or not :-/
Never mind most serious Sci-Fi/Fantasy releases tend to be winter releases. So that says a lot right there…

@ 449. CmdrR – oh yeah you nailed it, it’s sadly certainly just going to be another summer “popcorn” movie with nothing behind it.

451. Phil - March 24, 2014

I’m thinking Aug-Oct. There are a ton of big titles May-July, Episode 7 will roll over into the new year, and I would not want to see it released anywhere near Avatar 2, MJ’s objections aside. Late summer, early fall seems to make the most sense if a 2016 release is set in stone.

And I’ll say it again, as it seems to be the most overlooked bit of Trek news at the moment, good eye catching that nugget, Bernie.

452. CmdrR - March 24, 2014

LN’s birthday is Wednesday. Wonder if we’ll get some mention of him and Billy on the main page.

Matt?

453. CmdrR - March 24, 2014

http://www.artlyst.com/articles/trekkies-alert-leonard-nimoy-photographic-exhibition-explores-inner-yearnings-and-fantasies

My inner self is currently lassagne. Yummy.

454. Matt Wright - March 24, 2014

Thanks CmdrR, I’ll try and remember to post something for Wednesday.

455. Harry Ballz - March 24, 2014

Leonard Nimoy and William Shatner are both turning 83.

“Time is the fire in which we burn”

Paramount better film that cameo with the two of them for the next movie pretty soon.

The clock is ticking……

456. AJ - March 24, 2014

Harry:

And just what should Nimoy and Shatner do in the next film? Nimoy was in the last two!

I’m tellin’ ya. It’s gonna be time travel to the primitive and paranoid culture of 2016, where they make forgettable Least Common Denominator cinematic blockbusters, and all the true talent has run to TV.

457. Harry Ballz - March 25, 2014

AJ:

Either it’s that or we have the alternate universe crew sacrifice themselves to restore the timeline to how it unfolded in TOS (1966).

Somehow have it morph into a young Shatner/Nimoy playing chess.

What the hell, the current cast aren’t scheduled to do any films past the next one (are they?).

Why not have everything come full circle back to where it all began?

I’ve got a sneaking suspicion that Bob Orci has a “Yesterday’s Enterprise” lurking in him somewhere.

Then, shortly after the film is a success, CBS launches a new first-class Star Trek series as a tribute to the next 50 years.

The human adventure continues…..

458. Aurore - March 25, 2014

“…Why not have everything come full circle back to where it all began?…”
_________

“Restoring” the timeline.

I never liked that idea.

With Star Trek (2009), I was led to believe that the alternate timeline offered the possibility to tell new exciting (Star Trek) stories.

However, since then, I’ve heard of Star Trek Into Darkness…and, of course, (in hindsight ) there was also this :

“Since we freed it from the original time line we had narrative freedom, which is sometimes worse. Absolute freedom is sometimes scarier than what you have to do.”

Roberto Orci

http://trekmovie.com/2012/06/19/orci-freedom-of-new-star-trek-movie-timeline-scary/

459. AJ - March 25, 2014

Aurore is correct, and we Trekkies (old parlance) are way too strict about messing with the old tyme-line. Any mishaps by newbies who think they can get involved with it are sure to resonate in eternity.

Better to do the JJ-verse so they can flub it up to their heart’s content without making waves in the existing sacred TREK “space-time continuum.”

A good TV show would be great. New crew & ship, and not in the “hind-end of space.” Keep it in a recognizable neighborhood….

460. Aurore - March 25, 2014

AJ,

“Unfortunately”( for me, at least), I think there might be a “restoring” of the old timeline.

It is just an opinion based on what seems (not) to have been done in spite of all the narrative freedom the writers had. I believe we could, indeed, get a story where “everything comes full circle back to where it all began”. Alas.

Naturally, I have accepted that possibility, months ago. (What other choice did I have anyway, right?)

No. What really bothers me now, is that…you are probably typing from work again, today…Aren’t you?!

Hi!

:)

461. Marja - March 25, 2014

450, Matt, DANG IT. I was so hoping for a little SUBSTANCE this time.

457 Harry, “Either it’s that or we have the alternate universe crew sacrifice themselves to restore the timeline to how it unfolded in TOS (1966).”

Yep, when I looked at Payne’s words about “a moral dilemma” and remembered Orci’s saying something about restoring the old timeline, I thought AW CRIPES NAWWWWWW

demmee for hoping.

Anybody remember the old “MAD TV” skit, “Lowered Expecta-a-ations” ?

462. AJ - March 25, 2014

Aurore:

My first message today was sent from home.

Whatever mess existed has now been removed, possibly by said ripples in the space-time continuum (or maybe Matt saw my last work-sent message, and de-spammed my comments going forward).

But, this one (and the last one) – sent from work.

463. crazydaystrom - March 25, 2014

457. Harry Ballz

“I’ve got a sneaking suspicion that Bob Orci has a “Yesterday’s Enterprise” lurking in him somewhere.

Then, shortly after the film is a success, CBS launches a new first-class Star Trek series as a tribute to the next 50 years.”

Dear God,
PLEAES make this so!

464. crazydaystrom - March 25, 2014

Uh, God that’s PLEASE.

But you knew that, didn’t you?

:-)

465. Harry Ballz - March 25, 2014

I know, crazydaystrom, you got so excited about the idea, you typed too fast! :-)

466. Harry Ballz - March 25, 2014

Gwyneth Paltrow is separating from her husband.

No big surprise. She apparently is one of the biggest witches around.

467. Cygnus-X1 - March 25, 2014

466. Harry Ballz – March 25, 2014

Gwyneth Paltrow is separating from her husband. No big surprise. She apparently is one of the biggest witches around.

What’s behind this bad rap that Gwynnie has been getting lately? What’d she do that was so bad? She’s always seemed like a nice gal in public.

468. AJ - March 26, 2014

Well, it’s not Pepper Potts leaving Tony Stark, so really, who cares?

I also heard Paltrow was not a pleasant person to work with, it’s from the same trash sources as all the other papparazo-garbage.

457: Harry: From your keyboard to God’s ears/Skype account.

469. Basement Blogger - March 26, 2014

Crimean Crisis TrekMovie edition, Part Seven or “The Cold War gets hot for the men of Ukraine.” ,

Looks like The Pussy Riot has come to Ukraine. Some Ukrainian women are telling their sisters to not have sex with Russian men. Link. They even have a T-shirt. with a symbol. Hmmm. That symbol looks familiar like something that I saw a long time ago. Can’t put my finger on it.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukrainian-women-call-for-sex-boycott-against-russian-men-9213119.html

470. AJ - March 26, 2014

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/celebrity/i-am-just-dreadful-admits-paltrow-2013050267487

471. Aurore - March 26, 2014

…And, now, fellow Star Trek fans…a message from…”yesterday’s enterprising men”… (I liked that interview) :

TrekMovie.com: Any last things you would like to say to the fans at TrekMovie.com?

Damon Lindelof: We would like to say we are very grateful and appreciative for your patience. As fanboys ourselves, if the shoe was on the other foot we would saying ‘get on with it already, when is the movie going to come out?’ And we are fully aware of that. But we also know we cannot deliver a sub-par product. And in the end of the day, all that matters is what is on the screen and you have our word that we are not going to phone it in in any shape or form. It has to be right and we are really committed to realizing that.

Roberto Orci: What he said.

http://trekmovie.com/2011/06/15/exclusive-interview-damon-lindelof-roberto-orci-alex-kurtzman-on-star-trek-sequel/

472. Marja - March 26, 2014

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO LEONARD NIMOY
and thanks for all the Trekkin’
LLAP \\//_

473. H - March 26, 2014

Aurore, you’re like Columbo.

You never give up once you have a suspect in your sights!

Go get ‘em, tiger!

GRRRRRR!

474. Harry Ballz - March 26, 2014

Uh, H was me.

475. Phil - March 26, 2014

@467. I don’t normally spend a lot of time fretting over celebrities problems – there was a blurb on some marketing page a while back that Ms. Gwynnie was, shall we say, a bit disdainful toward those who were not in her target market for one of the products she endorses. I get that the Lamborghini sales guy isn’t going to troll for clients in a Wal-Mart parking lot, that doesn’t mean it’s open season to piss on the Wal-Mart-ians. I suspect it’s little blurbs of attitude like that that contribute to the consensus she’s high maintenance…

476. Cygnus-X1 - March 26, 2014

470. Aurore – March 26, 2014

Damon Lindelof: We would like to say we are very grateful and appreciative for your patience. As fanboys ourselves, if the shoe was on the other foot we would saying ‘get on with it already, when is the movie going to come out?’ And we are fully aware of that. But we also know we cannot deliver a sub-par product. And in the end of the day, all that matters is what is on the screen and you have our word that we are not going to phone it in in any shape or form. It has to be right and we are really committed to realizing that.

Sure, but the problem is that their par is sub-par for many of us. Their “right” is substantially wrong. They never address any of the issues that thoughtful critics complain about. Instead we get this PR nonsense about, “Oh, we know that you fans love our work and that’s why we’re trying extra hard to give you what you love SO much, because we’re awesome and everyone is super stoked on us.”

I guarantee you that right now, at this very moment, these guys are writing something mind-bogglingly stupid. Some villain who really shouldn’t be all that angry, or some action scene that isn’t needed in place of some dialogue that is. Or a devious tear-jerking scene, killing someone off at the beginning to get us invested in story that is not sufficiently compelling on its own. Or some new magical device, the latest deus ex machina, to further weaken the believability and internal logic not just of their story but of all Trek. Take all the time you need, fellas. SERIOUSLY.

477. AJ - March 26, 2014

Damon Lindelof was brought in to correct whatever major screw-up had already been committed to paper by Bob and Alex, and he ended up essentially screwing himself twice in one year-first with that sack of WTF known as “Prometheus,” and then with the ponderous mostest successful Trek-In-Name-Only ever piece of Schlitz known as “Into Darkness.”

I will join Cygnus XI in my skepticism that the writers (unknown Mormon dude + Orci) are (not) straining (too hard) to crap this next one out as the May first draft. It’s just ST XIII: The Voyage Home, after all, so steal most of the story, pay ‘tribute’ to all the best lines by having the wrong characters speak them, and don’t forget the Chekov “nuclear wessels” joke, because Russia is trendy again as an adversary (The “nod” to “issues” of “our time”)

Mix it all up, have Shatner and Nimoy cameo as co-stars together on Broadway while having a public bromance, and show them messing with George and Gracie at the Aquarium. Then have Pine’s Kirk turn 18 while he is demoted from Admiral at the end to Captain of the original 1966 Enterprise, and put it all to bed by having Riker dream it all while he was passed out on the can (“Valentine to the fans”).

I’ll probably only see it 15 times, instead of the usual 100+.

478. Harry Ballz - March 26, 2014

Funny stuff, AJ!

Too bad that you’re probably dead on the money.

479. crazydaystrom - March 26, 2014

465. Harry Ballz
“I know, crazydaystrom, you got so excited about the idea, you typed too fast!”

LOL! Pretty much Harry. haha The idea of a Yesterday’s Enterprise-level story in the nuTrek alt-universe just smacks me in the solar plexus and gives me a chill! If only, if only… What’s the probability of that sort of thing happening? It certainly COULD happen but…*sigh*

I can’t but believe we’ve not yet seen “the best of Star Trek”. Not seen Trek’s full potential realized on screen. A great and solid science fiction action/adventure set in the Trek universe. After this next movie I want to feel that the writers understand science fiction. They obviously understand making money with and for a franchise. But sci fi? Not so much it would seem. When I think of the elements that the TOS episode The Tholian Web and that Voyager ep with B’Elanna and Tom Paris adrift in space in EV suits have in common with the movie Gravity it’s a painful reminder of how groundbreaking AND satisfying a new Star Trek film COULD be!

What in the Star Trek universe will 2016 bring?!? Hopefully a less “Star Wars-y” Star Trek. :-(

Happy Birthday Mr.Nimoy! YOU DA MAN!!!!! :-)

480. Phil - March 26, 2014

Hey, I’m the first to admit that STID is fair game now. Still scratching my head over Khans description of Vengeance as ‘twice as big, three times as fast’. Warp 27, anyone?

I’m of the train of though that Bob had a full plate when committing to Trek 13. So, new writers, which is what we wanted anyway. I’m thinking they are doing the heavy lifting, and Bob is supervising. So, they are fans, apparently they impressed the suits enough with their initial pitch that the studio commissioned the script, so there is just as much reason to be optimistic the glass is half full. There’s been more then a few examples where fresh talent came into a project and hit the ball out of the park. There’s no reason to believe that can’t happen here.

What I’d like to see is some conversation about what happens after Trek 13.

481. Cygnus-X1 - March 26, 2014

474. AJ – March 26, 2014

Then have Pine’s Kirk turn 18 while he is demoted from Admiral at the end to Captain of the original 1966 Enterprise, and put it all to bed by having Riker dream it all while he was passed out on the can (“Valentine to the fans”).

It’s funny because it’s true.

But, don’t forget that this is to be BR’s 3rd Trek offering…

“KRUUUUUUGE!!!”

477. Phil – March 26, 2014

I’m of the train of though that Bob had a full plate when committing to Trek 13. So, new writers, which is what we wanted anyway.

You do have a point there. That’s the charitable way of looking at it, and it’s along the lines of the statement put out by BR and the writers of the last movie.

Another way of looking at it, however, is that STID failed to live up to both studio and fan expectations, and the biggest complaints about it by far (in fact, pretty much the only complaints that I’ve seen in critical reviews) were all about the writing. So, one half of the STID writing team (Kurtzman) is now gone and the other half (Orci) will be serving in a less hands-on, “supervisory” capacity.

If it’s really going to be just the two frat boys writing this one, with Bob just providing some editorial suggestions and his knowledge of Trek canon for reference, and Lindelof having as little influence over the story possible, then maybe we’ll get something different this time around. Though, with Paramount’s focus on the foreign market’s demand for “more action,” I think it’s probable that this third installment will be just as much a comic-book movie as the first two. At best, BR Trek 3 will be a comic-book movie with a more coherent plot and a more compelling villain. But I’ll be seriously shocked (and highly impressed) if we get a thoughtful science fiction film in the spirit of GR’s Star Trek.

Also, JJ Abrams won’t be directing this one, so there’s something for the anti-lens-flare contingent.

482. Spockchick - March 26, 2014

I went to see the most excellent ‘Captain America: Winter Soldier’ tonight, now that is a film franchise with quality script and believable adversaries. I didn’t see the first one in the cinema coz I didn’t fancy it, but caught it on Netflix and was utterly charmed by the story. No spoilers here.

Part two is very different, but very well acted with some funny and real banter between the Cap and the Widow. Many big films have lost their humour. There are also a few really touching moments and I really rate Chris Evans, he gives a very honest performance. Sam Wilson as the Falcon was tough and believable, and the WInter Soldier was played with real pathos and bewilderment. Oh, for those interested, I saw it in 3D and didn’t think it added anything. I give it 4/5.

It was preceded by three trailers for CGI behemoths with Ba ba BOOM! music that I will not be seeing:

Noah – Noah way thanks, oh Darren Aronofsky, why?
Spiderman episode something – Why? Why bother re-making this again?
Pompeii – Oh no! How does it end?

483. Cygnus-X1 - March 26, 2014

Don’t even get me started on Spiderman.

They can keep re-booting Spiderman or any of the comic-book movie franchises every 5 years, because they’re movies targeted at a very young audience and every 5 years or so there’s a fresh crop that’s even larger than the one five years ago. And their parents are only too willing to take them to the movies to see the new…whatever on the weekend…so they get the kid plus 1 or 2 parents. And in 5 years, there will be a new batch of 10-year-olds who haven’t seen Spiderman or whatever in the theater…lather, rinse, repeat…thank-you, drive thru.

Stan Lee must be the richest man in the world by now.

484. Spockchick - March 26, 2014

480. Cygnus-X1

It is dispiriting and made of cynicism, not creativity. The lad who plays Spidey also seems rather blank.

485. CmdrR - March 26, 2014

Love the reviews, Spockchick.

Noah looks like a great 1963 movie.
Spider*why — I’m with you in planning to sit this out.
Pompeii got horrible reviews even with no expectations.

486. Harry Ballz - March 26, 2014

A movie about Pompeii???

Talk about an ash-hole move!

487. Aurore - March 26, 2014

@ AJ – March 26, 2014

“Damon Lindelof was brought in to correct whatever etc…”

_________

Unless I imagined it, I believe I read something of the sort…somewhere…but, where ?!

I don’t remember…

:)

In any case, as you noticed, the interview I linked to in my post @ 470 was given a couple of years before Star Trek Into Darkness was released .

I liked what I read…then.

(…You, on the other hand, did not seem too impressed, but, that is another story…)

:)

488. CmdrR - March 26, 2014

For the love of God, didn’t we suffer enough with #4??

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/66683

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

489. Aurore - March 26, 2014

@484.

…”Something of the sort ” ? :

“…Lindelof revealed that a movie does not need to be fully written in order for it to start production. ‘All those things (creative processes such as production design and location logistics) are already rolling as the writers are starting to figure out, like, ‘Oh yeah! Now we should probably know what the second act of the movie is’ and that’s the way that it had to work,’ he said.

Surely, this new tech universe is both a daunting and exciting view of making movies in the 21st century. Filmmakers with multiple projects can utilize technology to be connected to each of them at virtually any time of the day. Lindelof also offered his opinion on the evolving screenwriting modus operandi on big studio films. ‘There’s a release date that you’re basically shooting for, and you put as much into the prep machine as you possibly can as the writing is continuing. I wish it wasn’t that way.’

Rewriting often continues well into the post-production period now on a major film. For example, re-shoots and ‘additional shooting’ were both required on Into Darkness after principal photography wrapped. Lindelof explained how in post, when an element of a scene was incoherent, he was called upon to rewrite etc…”

(Link if authorized, here) :

http://creativescreenwriting.com/turning-the-page-storytelling-in-the-digital-age/

490. AJ - March 26, 2014

489:

Aurore:

What you have amalgamated up in your post is simply the lazy, corporate answer to how to impose financially dictated deadlines on the wayward creative part of the team who would normally require the “process” to unfurl itself in its own good time. So, we start shooting in May no matter what you’ve got ready, and you’d just better get used to it. No more delays.

This creates paid work for hacks like Lindelof, who, like Harvey Keitel in ‘Pulp Fiction,’ are called in to bring soon-to-be-filmed screenplays back from the brink of disaster. He most likely bridges ridiculously disparate scenes which are supposed to flow one into another, and which were simply previously hashed out as set pieces by Bob and Alex, and create a beginning, middle and an end. You just cross your fingers that the editors have at least a basic comprehension of what the story is supposedly about once they get a hold of the filmed pieces of the whole.

I know nothing about the process. I am simply guessing. Yet, I am a corporate hack, and I understand that cash is king, and the shareholders count on the timely release of products, with execution of promised associated financial results. Both JJ films were late, and while the first seemed barely held together with duct tape, but worked, STID just didn’t seem to have a mojo at all. It was disparate plot pieces fastened together with paper clips by a listed corporation with some nostalgia frosting and a bankable European actor, and Bingo: $467M B.O. It was ‘successful.’

But, when you read about it today, almost a year later, you see that the vast majority of genre-heads and Trek-oriented writers hate it. It ended up being a total rip-off, almost on the scale of the Star Wars prequels, and we all deserve better.

491. Aurore - March 27, 2014

@. 490. AJ.

“….Yet, I am a corporate hack….”

_____________

You bastard, you.

…So, how are we, today?…

:)

Thank you for your post ; it was informative, to me. But, then again, when I think of the type of comments you would make, from time to time, while we were waiting for what became the…“highest-grossing movie” (?) of the franchise, I should have known better than to be my usual optimistic self ; you are a corporate hack, after all…ahem…you knew what you were talking about…

I chose to believe many of the statements made by members of the “powers that be”, along the way. And, as I said, you often seemed largely unimpressed by some of the words that would give me reasons to have…high expectations, as far as the sequel was concerned.

Speaking of which :

“Since we freed it from the original time line we had narrative freedom, which is sometimes worse. Absolute freedom is sometimes scarier than what you have to do.”

Roberto Orci

http://trekmovie.com/2012/06/19/orci-freedom-of-new-star-trek-movie-timeline-scary/

…I could have been more precise earlier (in my posts, @ 458 and 460), concerning the above quotation.

Roberto Orci was referring to… “narrative freedom”… back in 2012.

At the time, I thought that although that freedom could understandably be “scary” for the writers, they would, ultimately, overcome their fears, and, deliver a new exciting story. Something bold. In keeping with the new possibilities offered by the alternate timeline. However, from what I heard with respect to Star Trek Into darkness, and, considering what was done casting-wise with the Khan character, I , personally, do not expect anything daring, today.

Which is why I said that I would not be surprised by a “restoring” of the original timeline, in the next film.

492. Marja - March 27, 2014

488 BRAD COOPER???!!! feck no I wouldn’t see it unless I got a millllllion dollars. I can’t stand that guy and even if I could, he wouldn’t be a good Harrison Ford-ish Indy. But, consider the source, Latino News has been wrong a few times. Maybe quite a few times.

AJ, Aurore, I’m worried b/c:

– they invested a lot of effort in the Klingons’ “look” for movies 1 & 2 [tho' the Klingons got cut out of Trek1], so I expect we’ll be seeing them in Trek3.

– based on what Orci said about “restoring the timeline” I’m thinking that’s going to be the dilemma, the moral choice, blah blah blah faced by the crew of the NuPrise, Payne has hinted at this in his interview.

– they’re “entrusting” Trek3 to two new guys with NO produced screenplays and 17 attempts at screenplays, or completed screenplays? Anyway, I suspect there’s already an “arc” established for the “trilogy” of movies, that it’s outlined, and the two guys are writing per the Winninng Screenplay Formula, with oversight from Orci.

– it’s probably going to be a 3rd quarter [Jul-Aug-Sep] 2016 release.

I’m trying to be optimistic … but ….

493. Marja - March 27, 2014

And oh, yeah, not to mention,

Khan On Ice with hints-not-hints from Benedink Humperpants that he may be back ….

ugh

494. Cygnus-X1 - March 27, 2014

492. Marja – March 27, 2014

“Restoring the timeline??”

Are they really considering an incursion into the Prime universe?

That would be by far the WORST thing that they could do, as the franchise henceforth would then be saddled with all of the problems created by BR Trek that weaken the whole premise of the Trek and the internal logic of the Trek universe, including, but not limited to: magic blood, duffel-bag interstellar transporters, and Red Matter.

Please, in the name of all that is sacred, tell me that everything that happened in the Alt Universe is going to stay in the Alt Universe.

495. S.C - March 27, 2014

Hey guys – I am a Media student in Scotland undertaking a study of Star Trek fans – it would be so useful if you could fill out the below survey, it would be such a help. Peace :)

https://www.surveyplanet.com/survey/a2254d7ac7dc447fc13111a932e626f1

496. Aurore - March 27, 2014

Addendum. @ 491.

AJ, again, I want to make it pefectly clear that, to my knowledge at least, Mr. Orci did not say “they” wanted to see “everything” come full circle back to where it all began, as it were.

Quite the contrary, in fact (if I understood his meaning) :

575. Boborci – November 1, 2010
574. We could’ve made a trilogy, at the end of which, the Prime universe is restored. After all, if we’d used back to the future rules, the possibility of “fixing” things always remains.

http://trekmovie.com/2010/10/28/harve-bennett-criticizes-star-trek-2009-talks-starfleet-academy-movie-more/

(…And, I was happy with that answer, I must say :

597. Aurore – November 1, 2010
“We could’ve made a trilogy,at the end of wich, the Prime universe is restored.”

I’m so glad you didn’t.But,that’s just me.

598. Aurore – November 1, 2010
wich=which)

…”They” did not say they would restore the timeline…however, as I stated upthread (as well as @ 491), I am of the opinion that they could…

497. Aurore - March 27, 2014

Correction :

“…AJ, again, I want to make it… perfectly… clear that, to my knowledge at least, Mr. Orci did not say ‘they’ wanted to see ‘everything’ come full circle back to where it all began, as it were….”

:)

498. CmdrR - March 27, 2014

Matt — Thanks for posting the Birthdays page.

I’d say I hope I’ll be that active in my 70’s and 80’s… but Hell, I wish I were that active ever!

499. Marja - March 27, 2014

494 Cygnus, I think it would be some mumbo-jumbo where they’d forget everything from the AU … perhaps having some echo of memory of the AU … but with them in the PrimeVerse as they were.

Aurore’s notes above are rather comforting if we can take Bob at his word.

498 CmdrR, you and me both. Once I retired I got super laz– er, relaxed.

500. Marja - March 27, 2014

496 Aurore, I am a comparative newbie on this board, I don’t think I started checking in here till about Christmas of 2010 or early 2011 ….

By the way, I wanted to let you know that anytime I’ve spoken of “international audiences” I’ve been referring to the Asian market. [Not sure if you've taken offense at my speaking of "international markets" previously, but I'm guessing; this is by way of an apology if I've given offense.] European fans seem to be in it more for Science Star Trek than Action! Star Trek. I agree with you on the Khan khasting. I am equally akhast.

501. Harry Ballz - March 27, 2014

@499 Marja “if we can take Bob at his word”

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

(wipes tear)

Thanks, Marja, I needed a good laugh!

502. Phil - March 27, 2014

Batmans 75 anniversary is on the horizon. Year long celebration planned.

Paramount, take notice, please.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/batman-75th-anniversary-logo-revealed-691555

503. Aurore - March 27, 2014

Good morning, everyone!

:)

504. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - March 28, 2014

Good Morning Campers. Rise and shine.

505. AJ - March 28, 2014

Good morning!

It’s actually 8PM here, but what the hell.

Thank God it’s Friday!

506. Aurore - March 28, 2014

“…It’s actually 8PM here, but what the hell…”
_______

It was a little over 7 AM here, when I said “good morning”… several hours ago.

:)

507. Phil - March 28, 2014

In the next two weeks, we are going to get a lesson (probably) on why Trek 13 doesn’t want to open prior to Avatar 2. Noah opens this weekend, and should do pretty decent box office. I believe Captain America 2 opens next weekend, and Noah is going to get buried. Both films are well reviewed, it’s just going to be a situation where the franchise title just hammers the competition.

508. crazydaystrom - March 28, 2014

501. Harry Ballz
“@499 Marja “if we can take Bob at his word”

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
(wipes tear)
Thanks, Marja, I needed a good laugh!”

LOL Harry!!!!

Thing is, Bob does not lie. He prevaricates, it would seem! hahahaha!!

509. CmdrR - March 28, 2014

Harry and crazydaystrom, you’re both wrong. Orci dissembles.(TNG vocab word.)

510. marja - March 28, 2014

Bob … exaggerated.

[Spock quote]

Yes, “if we can take Bob at his word” was pretty tongue-in-cheek on my part.

511. Disinvited - March 28, 2014

#509. CmdrR – March 28, 2014

No, NO! No, let Mister Bob Orci dissemble TNG!. Season Number Five is alive!.

512. Phil - March 28, 2014

A lie?
An error….

513. Aurore - March 28, 2014

78. boborci – December 3, 2013

for the record, I never lied. In fact, when asked about some of the other statements, i told the truth. If anyone can quote a a time I lied, I would like the see it:)

http://trekmovie.com/2013/12/02/abrams-admits-koncealing-khan-was-mistake-hopes-joe-cornish-is-next-director/

I concur.

If anyone can quote a time Mr. Orci lied, I would like to see it, too.

…Show me what you’ve got , Mr. Ballz.

I dare you …

:)

514. Harry Ballz - March 28, 2014

The old joke would be……

Q: how can you tell when Bob Orci is lying?
A: His lips are moving!

In this case I guess it would be when his fingers are typing.

Aurore, I never said that Bob Orci lied on this website, did I?

And, hey, if I ever showed you what I got, they’d have to institutionalize you!

515. Aurore - March 28, 2014

@ 514. Mr. Ballz.

“…Aurore, I never said that Bob Orci lied on this website, did I?”
_____________

I never said that you could handle all my jokes, did I ?

:)

“And, hey, if I ever showed you what I got, they’d have to institutionalize you!”

I knew this one was…coming. I also knew I could handle it…

And now, a few words to ponder upon :

17. boborci – January 30, 2012

12. I always mistakenly think that people prefer the truth, but more and more, i find Jack Nicholson was right.

http://trekmovie.com/2012/01/29/orci-explains-star-trek-sequel-script-polish-reveals-bit-on-time-passed-between-films/

516. Marja - March 28, 2014

OMG let’s not make it any worse than it is, LOL.

Mr Orci works in Hollywood, second only to Washington DC as home of big fiction …

Since he has said “for the record” that he never lied, I’m gonna leave it there … now if he’d said “Nothing could be further from the truth,” we’d KNOW it was a lie.

[chuckling]

517. Captain Slow - March 28, 2014

I can’t think of any times he lied.

@ 516 Marja

“Mr Orci works in Hollywood, second only to Washington DC as home of big fiction”

You should see our government here in South Africa. It’s like a soap opera. Our president was facing criminal charges that were dropped before the elections, he also has about four wives and twenty children, and more recently spent a fortune in taxpayers’ money on his personal house. And that’s just what’s going on with one of the over a hundred political parties we have here.

518. LizardGirl - March 29, 2014

Um, sup?

So, anyone seen 2014 movie trailers?

1. Noah
2. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
3. The Maze Runner
4. The Signal
5. The Giver
6. Jupiter Ascending Trailer #2
7. Transcendence Trailer 2
8. Enemy
9. Earnest & Celestine
10.Grand Piano

Honestly, I think The Maze Runner, The Signal, Enemy and Grand Piano look awesome. I was really surprised because I had not heard of these movies. The SIgnal, I think, is coming out this Summer?

519. Aurore - March 29, 2014

@ 505. My Favourite Corporate Hack.

…..SooOooOoo…..???

Given what you know.

And, in light of what I shared @ 489 (regarding Damon Lindelof, etc…) .

What do you make of this? :

(From the “Orci Talks Star Trek Sequel Script ‘Polish’ + Reveals Bit On Time Passed Between Films ” thread, which I linked to @ 515) :

“…The reason the script wasn’t finished until recently is mostly for strategic philosophical reasons. We were not willing to turn anything in until we knew for sure that we had a start date, based on JJ’s availability. If we had written the script a year ago and it sat on the shelf, it would not have been current. Nothing messes up a script like it sitting on the shelf, because then everyone does get time to second guess and wonder, and then movies fall apart.

Finally, you should know the story hasn’t change, the structure hasn’t changed, and the action sequences haven’t changed. Most changes are minor…”

Roberto Orci

http://trekmovie.com/2012/01/29/orci-explains-star-trek-sequel-script-polish-reveals-bit-on-time-passed-between-films/

…Yes.

You certainly have better things to do than to respond to my provocations.
Especially today…Don’t be mad at me… PUH-LEASE!!!!!!!!

:)

Enjoy your weekend, AJ!

520. AJ - March 29, 2014

Aurore,

I don’t go on this board to ‘get mad’ at my friends. I learned during my divorce that stewing in negative emotions and then writing to the object of your derision is a recipe for pain and suffering. Writing on a Star Trek message board is fine when the ‘object’ is a piece of pop-fiction based on ‘Star Trek’, but it is certainly is not a the place for emotional tetes-a-tete. (BTW, why ‘especially today?’)

Bob’s comments are intriguing, especially as he goes on in the post you link to to say:

“Does any of this mean the movie will be any good? No. But if it’s no good, it will be because we were wrong to execute exactly what we wanted. Not because we changed our minds or someone changed our minds for us.”

This would imply a complete sort of down-homey laissez-faire corporate atmosphere surrounding the writing of a script for a film costing $180m. Unless Orci is utterly clueless about the process (doubtful), I believe he may be simply telling us what we want to hear: Just a bunch of likeminded scifi mopheads now free to write a Trek script out of pure lurv, despite the fact that the last film was written with much more corporate interference, and brought in some decent bacon.

Doesn’t make sense in terms of how these processes should be managed ($180M!), and also given the fact that the film was delayed, and Lindelof brought in after the fans were led to believe the script was completed. Something just seems rotten in Denmark looking back on what we got as a product (STID) vs. what was said at different times (Why the film was delayed, when Khan was retrofit into the plot, and all the yucky tribute bits written in, etc), and what is known by most to have occurred with different writers’ involvement.

521. Disinvited - March 29, 2014

#520. AJ – March 29, 2014

“Star Trek’s sequel cost $190 million, per our experts.” – DEADLINE|HOLLYWOOD, until recently NuParamount’s first stop for “official” leaks and definitely at the time that figure was acquired.

Re:laissez-faire

http://www.movieweb.com/news/exclusive-peter-weller-talks-star-trek-into-darkness

Recommend the whole article but here’s a taste:

” I was told everything about it [STID before seeing a script.], man. This is one of the great stories of my life. I was hired by J.J. in a parking lot. I was meeting with Bad Robot people to direct, because what I mostly do now is direct a lot of television. I was meeting to direct an episode of Alcatraz. I was recommended over there by Greg Yaitanes, a real wonderful producer-director for House. I’m walking outside, thinking the meeting went rather well, and a guy says ‘Peter?’ I turn around and I had no idea what J.J. Abrams looked like. I said, ‘Yeah?’ He said, ‘It’s J.J.. I heard you were in the building, and I wanted to come down and say hello.’ We started talking…

He calls, and 30 seconds later, J.J. comes on and spends 50 minutes on the phone, telling me every scene in the movie. He was like a kid. He was talking like this, ‘And then you know what happens?’ like a five-year-old. He’s got this enthusiasm. He’s just magical. He’s a magical guy. I’m hanging onto every word, and he gets to the end of the movie and goes, ‘You should come here and read it for yourself.’ I said, ‘J.J. I’ve never had a producer or director call me up and tell me the whole movie on the phone. I’ve never had that. I don’t have to read it.’ It was the best pitch I’ve ever heard. That is the miraculous story of me being a part of “Star Trek Into Darkness.”” – Peter Weller

522. Phil - March 29, 2014

Paramount must be taking a huge dump in their corporate drawers right now…Arnold Schwarzenegger’s Sabotage is taking a colossal dive in the box office this weekend, having him front Terminator: Genesis could be shaping up as a huge mistake on their part. Why the hell they didn’t recast the role is beyond me…

523. Aurore - March 29, 2014

@ AJ

“…I don’t go on this board to ‘get mad’ at my friends…”

_______

Sweet music to my ears. (I was being facetious!).

“…(BTW, why ‘especially today?’)…”

Because of what you said yesterday ( @ 505 ) ; ” Thank God it’s Friday!”

I assumed you could not wait to enjoy the weekend…and, today is Saturday. And, here I was with my…”provocations”.

:)

Thank you for your answer ; I lurved it.

524. AJ - March 29, 2014

Phil:

Arnold has certainly been shooting blanks since leaving Sacramento. Save his cameo bits in the expendable “Expendables” films, he really (along with Stallone) is not making anyone any money (save himself, Maria Shriver and kids, I reckon). This makes Terminator: Genesis a lot scarier business-wise as a potential franchise, though I expect they will try to move forward with sexy young stars in the key roles. It’ll depend on the story, and the realization that “Arnold ’80s-retro” is dead, i.e. never existed in the first place.

Disinvited: The Peter Weller story is certainly nice to hear. Perhaps the ‘laissez-faire’ -ness comes strictly from within Bad Robot. One thing I get suspicious about is the concept of the “pitch.” JJ Abrams pitching STID to Peter Weller like a fanboy is one thing, but when writers “pitch” an early draft to execs for a green light, how much of that pitch is BS? A sales pitch rather than something close to what is actually filmed? And who is being pitched to? Paramount is known for having higher-ups who are either “pro-” or “anti-” Trek. How do you deal with someone who hates it before the meeting even starts?

How do you deal with the phenomenon of something like the godawful “Transformers 2″ which was wretched and unwatchable, yet made a billion dollars? Does that lower the bar dramatically, so that quality scripts are rejected in favor of salable garbage for the Lowest Common Denominator?

525. Marja - March 30, 2014

Criminey, it’s a wonder to me that people in Hollywood even know what they’re saying to each other and behind each other’s backs, since they all love each other, write great projects, act so wonderfully well, are so happy for each other, &c. Living in the South is hard enough, not knowing for sure if people approve of one or not; Hollywood is a whole ‘nother level of insincerity.

So I usually expect that from any celebrities that come here, a bit of magical smoke blown up our metaphorical skirts. Nobody directly involved with STiD would ever say directly that Mr Lindelof screwed the pooch; oh, no, becausse they want to continue working in that weird town, and can’t afford to “unfriend” anyone.

As far as Ahh-nold goes, I think his appearances in “Expendables” are perfectly appropriate; the movies are basically vehicles for ageing action stars, so why not? But to get him to headline a reissue of the Terminator franchise is, frankly, a little nuts. Maybe he’ll serve a sort of “Prime Spock” role in kicking off the re-boot?

As long as the Lowest Common Denominator spend their money in droves, I don’t think folks in Hollyweird really give a rat’s a$$ if they have any artistic discernment. It makes it that much easier to pump out “product.” Crude oil rather than refined, you might say.

526. AJ - March 30, 2014

Spot on, Marja.

Though,it’s worth it to mention, as we have before, that all the originality and creativity has switched from Hollywood films over to TV (‘Sopranos’ Effect).

Which is where we fans REALLY want Star Trek to return forthwith.

527. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - March 30, 2014

Well. Can’t wait for the season finale of The Walking Dead. This should be good. Terminus.

528. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - March 30, 2014

Well everyone. Looks like most everyone is behaving themselves.
Harry. What have you been up to.

529. Aurore - March 30, 2014

“…Harry. What have you been up to.”
___________

Excellent question…

530. Harry Ballz - March 30, 2014

Well, Emperor Mike/Aurora…..since you ask……as I’ve mentioned in the past, this is my busiest time of year for work. I milk the hell out of it while people are interested. Silvereyes understands this….he said “Hi” to me on Linkedin the other day. Nice to hear from him.

Other than that, a few nice dinner parties here, quality time with my girlfriend there, with our dog Tigger, who is still with us at 15 1/2 years of age! That dog is the son I never had!

I watch the occasional good movie, read books, do a little writing……it doesn’t take much for life to fly by at too fast a pace.

How about you two? Share!

531. Aurore - March 30, 2014

“…(Why the film was delayed, when Khan was retrofit into the plot, and all the yucky tribute bits written in, etc)…”

_______

AJ,

Concerning the inclusion of Khan into the plot. As you know, I am of the opinion that, from the beginning, the Khan character was to be involved into the plot. I gave my theory with respect to what might have happened on that front here ( posts 938 & 947 ) :

http://trekmovie.com/2013/09/13/editorial-star-trek-is-not-broken/

As for the tribute bits written in… :

You created a new timeline with Star Trek in 2009, will there be a lot of referencing back to the original series and movies for those fans?

“Yes, one of the things is that the movie will always be for Star Trek fans. In the process of all us five producers working together, Roberto Orci and Damon Lindelof, to a slightly lesser extent, are crazy-hardcore Trekkies. They understand the world so we had long conversations where they put things in and would be laughing hysterically. I had no clue why they were! There are tonnes of references and nods.”

http://trekmovie.com/2013/03/11/bryan-burk-hints-next-star-trek-movie-could-arrive-in-2016/

I always wondered whether or not those references and nods Bryan Burk mentioned had been added to make up for a lack of a compelling story. My point is that, from what was described to me (online), it felt as though “they” assumed Star Trek fans would be happy so long as Star Trek “nods and references” were included in the story…no matter the story…

It is just an impression, of course ; I have yet to see the film…and judge for myself.

(Besides, I know the writers are fans themselves, so, maybe they sincerely believed they were making the right choice regarding all those tribute bits I heard of.)

532. crazydaystrom - March 30, 2014

527. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire
“Can’t wait for the season finale of The Walking Dead. This should be good. Terminus.”

Yeah, Emperor Mike, looking forward to it tonight. You did notice Denise “Tash Yar” Crosby at the end of last week’s ep, didn’t you?

My girlfriend is guessing there’s some cannibalism going on at Terminus. Interesting idea, that. Maybe they’re growing fava beans and wine grapes there.

533. Aurore - March 30, 2014

@ 530. Mr. Ballz

“Well, Emperor Mike/Aurora…..since you ask……How about you two? Share!”

________

It’s good to hear from you, sir.
I am fine, Mr. Ballz. Thank you for asking.

“Tigger”.

I like that name. Is it a Fox Terrier ?

:)

534. Harry Ballz - March 30, 2014

Tigger is a Yorkshire Terrier and so smart it’s scary!

535. Harry Ballz - March 30, 2014

Oh, I forgot to mention, I was out for dinner last night with a friend. After dinner I popped into a bookstore on Bloor Street West in the Annex area and who did I see but Jesse Eisenberg walking around the store with some unidentified woman. After a few minutes they left the store.

When I got home I tried to look up whether he’s currently filming a movie in Toronto, but couldn’t find anything.

536. Basement Blogger - March 30, 2014

@ 503

Aurore,

It’s the afternoon here. But whenever it’s morning in France, “bonjour.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y59hlmuTKLk

537. Harry Ballz - March 30, 2014

Okay, I figured out that Eisenberg was with his girlfriend, Mia Wasikowska and she is currently filming the movie Crimson Peak here in Toronto.

538. Aurore - March 30, 2014

@ 536

My dear Mr. Wong.

Thank you for the link….I LOVED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have something for you….allow me to warn you, though…I think the two artists were…. “lost”… in the song….

:)

….Can you… handle THIS ? :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Dhn5zUjR-0

And, what about this? :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6ADChhquXM

539. Disinvited - March 30, 2014

#522. Phil – March 29, 2014

I love a good Paramount raz as much as any other studio follower but as an old studio follower I know there are contracts that stars such as Arnie agree to to get their projects bankrolled that results in them showing up to “shore-up” franchise flicks like a BATMAN movie. I’m just saying Paramount is not beyond trying to get their pound of flesh out of him by putting him in another franchise flick if he fails to deliver as you surmise in TERMINATOR. I mean we risk him popping up in the next Trek and while I imagine he could do a credible Ruk, is that really what you want to see?

540. CmdrR - March 30, 2014

OK. Watched the season finale of The Walking Dead.

Anyone? Why do I feel like this show is just fluffing around in the wind? I NEEDS me an endgame at this point. Lawdy.

541. Marja - March 30, 2014

526 AJ, I wouldn’t say ALL the creativity has fled the movies for the small screen – there were some excellent films this year, the kind that made me really look forward to their openings. Fare for grown-ups, “Dallas Buyers’ Club,” “12 Years a Slave,” “Gravity,” and so on. THANK GOD. I had begun thinking film was dead.

531 Aurore, “My point is that, from what was described to me (online), it felt as though “they” assumed Star Trek fans would be happy so long as Star Trek “nods and references” were included in the story…no matter the story…”
A good point; perhaps they felt they could make up for the relentless rush forward through the storyline by putting in a McCoy glare or comment, a tablespoon full of Khan, a dash of Elder Spock. I don’t mind a reference, if it’s relevant or at least witty, but including Khan in the plot was, I think, a way to distract from some hokey elements in the story, and proved to be an unwelcome distraction that disappointed — and angered — many fans.

539 Disinvited, there is a most unwelcome thought indeed, AHHnold in Trek. ‘Scuse me while I find something to settle my stomach.

540 Cmdr R, There was a review several months ago in the New Yorker about “The Walking Dead” — how, in its initial seasons, it had started out promising and is now going into, the critic thinks, extreme fatigue with little fulfillment of several story lines, breaking its own rules, &c. “Milking the cash cow” as it were.

542. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - March 30, 2014

Well Harry. Just celebrated my 1.5 years of marriage to be beautiful wife. had dinner. Working hard and pretty busy at work. Tat’s why I can’t get on as much as i used to. But I do sneek in every now and then and say high to my friend’s here.

543. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - March 30, 2014

CmdrR. My wife and I also just watched the finale of The Walking Dead.
By far the best show on T.V
In my opnion. Terminus is a Cannibal place. But as Rick Said. They have messed with the wrong people.
Getting good.

544. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - March 30, 2014

I was watching the show. The Talking Dead and the actor Andrew Lincoln who plays Rick Grimes was asked a question. What Celeberty would you like to see play them selves in The Walking Dead and with out missing a beat he said. William Shatner.
Hmm. Now that would be good.

545. crazydaystrom - March 30, 2014

I’m still in awe of how my GF figured out the cannibal angle of Terminus a week ago. Impressive insight and good guessing. I think I’ll keep her. If she’ll keep me, that is.

546. AJ - March 30, 2014

One week until “Game of Thrones” S4 begins.

I am re-watching S3 right now, and the next one I have to watch is the infamous Episode 9 (In case you didn’t know, every GoT season’s 9th episode is the ‘Holy Shit’ episode of year).

This one, which I still hesitate to watch (for the 4th time) is the infamous ‘Red Wedding’ ep where all the remaining main characters are brutally slaughtered in 6 minutes during a wedding, including an unborn baby and a cute CGI wolf.

Season 4 is all about various battle-hardened and crazed children wandering around a post-apocalyptic Hobbit-y fantasyland searching for their dead parents while the main antagonists (there are no protagonists-everyone sucks in Game of Thrones) screw and then devour each other.

One week to go!

547. CmdrR - March 31, 2014

“Red Wedding” was the first episode I tried to watch with my wife and then-5-year-old, who clutched his throat in horror.

I am a terrible father. I have been watching nothing but TV Land around him since.

BTW, Happy Birthday (this past weekend) to Marina Sirtis.

548. CmdrR - March 31, 2014

544 – Shat showing up as Shat or DeadShat would cross a line into “Mars Attacks!” I think. But then, the show is drifting all over.

Do I like zombie pizza on a weekly basis? Sure. Do I like Rick coming out of his coma and zombie-chomping the renegade leader? Sure. I still want an overarcing plot… something that WILL happen in the end to look forward to… And I want a promise that S5 or at most S6 will be all there is.

549. AJ - March 31, 2014

CmdrR: I think the best ‘Game of Thrones’ episode for kids is probably the one where little Arya Stark is sparring with the pre-teen ‘butcher’s boy’ and she knocks down Crowned Prince Joffrey with her wooden sword. Of course, the Hound runs down and kills the boy for offending the Prince, and dad Ned Stark is forced to snap the neck of sister Sansa’s dire wolf, as Arya’s has run away. Kids love that stuff. Cute fluffy dogs.

Second best is when Ned is beheaded as his daughters watch when you are sure he’ll be pardoned right up until he isn’t. Good moral lesson there for fathers and their offspring, and a bit of silly royal hijinks to take the edge off.

Anything with that funny little guy Tyrion is great for the kids, like when his daddy accuses him of killing his own mother just by being born. I mean, how typical is that? I mean, c’mon, dad!

Man, the Red Wedding is pretty brutal.

550. Basement Blogger - March 31, 2014

@ 538

Aurore,

You ask can I handle that great Brazilian jazz. The answer is no. Makes me want to move to Brazil.

551. Disinvited - March 31, 2014

I think today should be declared National Laugh at Bureaucracy in the Face of Procrastination Day.

Had a relation, who started the state ACA ap weeks ago but got froze out, get antsy about deadline. I explained no need to fret as actually having started the process makes tonight’s midnight deadline not applicable. Still, we decided to humor the worry wart and try to complete the process expecting it to at least be good for a laugh.

Surprisingly, able to get in to online application. Unfortunately, the online process could not exactly fit one of the situations of the applicee so had to resort to the online help chatline: “Online Chat unavailable due to State Holiday.” So tried the toll free number:busy, busy, busy, busy…eventually got a ring which was politely robo-answered with the equivalent response of “I’m overwhelmed right now. Try the website.” and hung up.

552. Marja - March 31, 2014

551 Disinvited, ah, if only we had enough bureaucratic personnel there, live, to answer such calls. Live people are so much more helpful than websites, at least in my experience. They have few limits in the way they can answer questions. They’re able to divine a caller’s meaning, whereas with a computer program the applicant must divine how the computer needs them to ask the question, and even then has a limited series of responses to their queries.

Shrink the government — see what happens? Yikes. Here are some computers to help you!
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Aurore, thanks for a taste of Brazilian jazz :-)

553. Marja - March 31, 2014

WRT to my remark about telephone help, I should say, live humans would have an intimate understanding of American idioms, and so would multilingual folks of various ethnicities with a good understanding of each of the other languages spoken in the US. I would not wish for any of this to be outsourced — think of the employment and income for American people and new citizens who are presently out of work, and their dollars in the US marketplace!

554. Disinvited - March 31, 2014

#553. Marja – March 31, 2014

And i should be clear the robot hung up on us.

I believe my first scent of Brazilian Jazz was Sergio Mendez and Brazill’66 in 1966. A local Pacifica station played Brazilian Jazz Sundays for decades to keep that scent alive.

Obrigado, Aurore

555. Phil - March 31, 2014

Jesus Christ, Will Wheaton is 41???

556. Spockchick - March 31, 2014

@ Emperor Mike

Can’t believe it was only 18 months ago, seems like we have all on this board been thorough lots, and I am a newbie! Congratulations to you and Nurse B. SC xxx

557. Aurore - March 31, 2014

@ 550. Bernie.

“…You ask can I handle that great Brazilian jazz. The answer is no. Makes me want to move to Brazil.”

_____________

:))

I know what you mean…

Thank you again for your link @ 536 ; I really enjoyed it !

558. Disinvited - March 31, 2014

#555. Phil – March 31, 2014

I know and in today’s INLAND SOCAL REGISTER a founding surfer dude and inventor of the polyurethane surfboard, Hobie Alter, DIED AT THE AGE OF 80????!!!!!

I knew the psuedo surfers of the movies were getting old but the real ones are in their 80s???!!!!!

The real Gidget goes retirement…say it isn’t so, Phil.

559. Marja - March 31, 2014

554 Disinvited, In the household of my youth the Brazilians were first represented by Walter Wanderly, an organist who played Brazilian “bossa nova” as it was known then, and we also listened to Astrud Gilberto and that saxophonist whose mind slips my name ;-) right now. It wasn’t Paul Desmond, was it Bernie? [I just know as soon as I've been away for half an hour, I'll remember!]

and your 558, dang, I loved sailing Hobie Cats back in the day! They would plane like a breeze! I’m sure when Mr Alter gets to the pearly gates, St. Peter will hand him a surfboard or direct him to a catamaran and say, “Show us how it’s done.” He’ll fly like the angels, but on the water!

560. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - March 31, 2014

Thank you Aurore. It has been a great ride and i for one am so Lucky.

561. Aurore - March 31, 2014

@ 560. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire – March 31, 2014

“Thank you Aurore. It has been a great ride and i for one am so Lucky.”
_______

In order to earn this “thank you” from you, let me congratulate you as I had failed to do so earlier, Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire!
(The congratulations came from post 556, mine was 557.)

Congratulations on your one year and a half wedding anniversary!

:)

562. Basement Blogger - April 1, 2014

SILVEREYES,

In case you don’t know this, MJ got banned for trolling and sock puppeting. Anyway on the J.D. Payne thread there was an insinuation that you are MJ. There was also insinuations that Red Dead Ryan and myself were also MJ.
Anyway I defended you and said you were not MJ. I used your response in 240 above on speaking French as proof. MJ is from Southern California. (It’s at post 690)

And let me say this, my fellow Trekkers at Chat. I am not a member of the Communist Party. I am not Spock. I am not MJ. I’m just Bernie from Cincinnati, Ohio.

563. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - April 1, 2014

Thank you once again Aurore. To be honest. I still feel like a newly wed.
My wife before I met her never really watched anything Scifi. Now she has watched all the Star Trek movies and several Eps of TOS and Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings and Iron Man and Thor and Captian America and of course The Avengers. Will be seeing the new one this weekend. But. to be fair. She has gotten me to watch. Gulp!. Dancing with the stars and American Idol. Lol. But we do enjoy Deadliest Catch and of course to my delight. The Walking Dead.

564. CmdrR - April 1, 2014

Kinda funny for those of us who are of a certain age. When I was a kid, loving Star Trek and Lost in Space, only dweebs admitted to being fans. I would have killed for a lousy t-shirt, much less video games, fan clubs, movies out the yin yang. Now, studios can’t throw enough money at genre projects. There’s no escaping them at the googleplex or on TV/puter. Obviously, some are crap, but many are good or even great.

Nice to see that people have caught up with my childhood.

565. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - April 1, 2014

I know the feeling CmdrR. I used to always look forward to the latest edition of Star Log Mag to see what was going on with Star Trek or Star Wars. Now. Just log on to Trekmovie or various other websites and get any and all updates. I think we have died and gone to Geek heaven,.

566. Aurore - April 1, 2014

@ 562. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire – April 1, 2014

“Thank you once again Aurore…”
_______

As I said, the first time you were congratulated on your wedding anniversary, I had nothing to do with it ; the one and only time I offered you my congratulations was @ 561.

In your post @ 560, you thanked me by mistake (so to speak) ; I wrote a post to Bernie @ 557. You were congratulated @ 556…but, not by me. (I am sorry not to have congratulated you earlier! However, I hope you’ll forgive me!)

:))

“…To be honest. I still feel like a newly wed etc…”

I love hearing that !

:)

567. Disinvited - April 1, 2014

#564. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire – April 1, 2014

First,

Congratulations!

Second,

It’s not perfect as much of the OCR conversion was done in far more primitive times but you can go home again – for FREE!:

https://archive.org/details/starlogmagazine

So, yes indeed we have died and gone to geek heaven

568. Aurore - April 1, 2014

@ 562. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire – April 1, 2014

“Thank you once again Aurore…”
______

…Then again, you like joking around,and, it IS the first of April, after all…

(You still have to take a closer look at post 556…is all I’m saying…remember ; I. Am. Watching. You.)

:)

569. Silvereyes - April 1, 2014

562 Basement B.

Well, thank you for defending me Bernie! No, I’m not MJ. Why would anyone think otherwise? Anybody can be anyone else with that kind of logic… As far as MJ getting banned for trolling and sock puppeting… That’s ridiculous. He’s been on this site for years and there are far worse than him! He was a victim of sock puppeting, not the instigator…

570. Silvereyes - April 1, 2014

@ 562 Basement B.

Thank you for defending me Bernie! No, I’m most assuredly not MJ… Never understood why someone would want to pretend to be somebody else. I’m one to believe you have to stand behind your convictions, and not hide behind false identities or invent fake personalities to come to your defense…

571. Harry Ballz - April 1, 2014

Silvereyes, good to see you here! How are you, old friend?

572. Silvereyes - April 1, 2014

I’m good Harry! BTW, that congratulations message I sent you on LinkedIn, is this public? I mean, did your other contacts see it? If so, I must apologize… as innocent as it was, it was not meant to be read by Tom, Dick and Harry!

Anyway my friend, I’m doing well. Hope the snow is melting in the Queen city. Don’t give up on the Leafs!

573. CmdrR - April 1, 2014

OK, here’s some random Trek crap I dragged in and now drop in your slippers…

http://www.avclub.com/article/pamela-adlon-snorting-fake-coke-louie-and-fate-her-202837

http://www.uproxx.com/gammasquad/2014/04/swiss-watchmakers-turn-deep-space-nine-awesome-clock/

574. Aurore - April 1, 2014

Thus, I wasn’t imagining it ; Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire , formerly @ 562 (& 564) is now… @ 563 (& 565)?…

Well… bonsoir, Bernie (?)!

:)

575. Aurore - April 1, 2014

…So, AJ,

Any relevant piece of information regarding the next Star Trek?
Yes?No? Yes? No? Yes? N…Aaaah…nevermind…

:)

576. Harry Ballz - April 1, 2014

@572

A good friend of mine saw your comment, but that’s fine. I did remove it as I didn’t want business associates to see it. Everything’s good.

577. AJ - April 1, 2014

575:

Aurore:

No. Nothing “relevant.”

As for something irrelevant:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iauuuhpSfRQ

578. Aurore - April 2, 2014

Regarding what was briefly alluded to @ 562.

I learned a lot on the topic in question in the comments section of the site (amongst other venues) :

(post 112) :

“…the e-mail addresses can be just as fake as the poster’s name. Without a login verification system the fake poster will continue to get away with it. Even the dreaded perma-ban won’t stop someone. All they have to do is route their comments through one of the hundreds of free proxy services. The only way to stop this nonsense if…. to institute a login in feature.”

(See posts 118 & 120 of the same thread, as well) :

Link if authorized, here :

http://trekmovie.com/2012/10/31/star-trek-tng-second-season-blu-ray-arrives-124%E2%80%8F/

….Ages ago, someone told me that writing was a “subconscious process”. However, since I knew part of their job consisted in meeting with writers to discuss and literally dissect their writings, I was convinced the person was essentially defending their line of work…(Besides, it was a long time ago ; I believed I knew everything…)

I then understood that they might have been right…

I have my opinion on what is really happening when, all of a sudden , online (on this site or others), some discussions are “disrupted”. It is my belief that many “onlookers” do realise what is going on. Nevertheless, since they can’t prove anything, they remain quiet. Which is wise. In my opinion.

579. Aurore - April 2, 2014

@ 577. AJ.

Oh. My. God….

:))

Thank you for that!

580. Silvereyes - April 2, 2014

@576 Harry

LinkedIn is idiotic for not being transparent as to what is shared publicly and what isn’t. As all social media platforms are, they are disgustingly self-servant.

Or, maybe they spell out “Careful, contents hot!” on McDonald’s coffee cups for people like me…

581. Harry Ballz - April 2, 2014

@580

Silvereyes, as Spock would say, “it is possible that both answers are correct.”

(runs and hides)

:>)

582. CmdrR - April 2, 2014

Putin’s divorce is final. No wonder he’s f-ing Ukraine.

583. Spockchick - April 2, 2014

@577. AJ

Thanks for the best laugh, I was concerned..yet strangely titillated by the SIZE of Spock’s ears. Also, I had to look up the spelling of titillated.

But no Scotty bagpipes? They missed a trick there :-)

584. Harry Ballz - April 2, 2014

Putin: “don’t worry, I won’t go all the way in”
Ukraine: “well, okay”

12 hours later………….

Ukraine: “HEY!”
Putin: “what can I say? I like PUTIN it to you!”

How’s that for a new song? PUTIN ON THE BLITZ!

585. Marja - April 2, 2014

562 Bernie, and Silvereyes, Not to dispute Bernie’s very spirited defense, but my #680, last paragraph, probably tl;dr

http://trekmovie.com/2014/03/16/trek-3-writer-speaks-about-trek-for-the-first-time/#comments
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564 CmdrR, I can relate. In fact in public I still lower my voice when referring to things that are “identifiably Trek” — I’ve been doing that since 1967 (middle school, in the cafeteria, lest I get beaten up at recess) :-p
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577 AJ, Thanks for that treat! Actually WOK would make a fantastic opera. I mean, it’s space opera already. I liked the squeaky hoist.
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582 CmdrR, 584 Harry, LOL

586. Marja - April 2, 2014

Wheeee, IDICLives is back on the main thread … crazy as all get-out. And I wish she would. Get out.
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Thank you Supreme Court for confirming my diagnosis: the US is now an oligarchy. Or a plutocracy.

Talk about an “activist court” — this one just sent our democracy, such as it was, right down the flusher.

587. Phil - April 2, 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=264s-sFqvTA

Surprised I missed this one. If Robot Chicken offends, don’t watch…

588. CmdrR - April 2, 2014

Phil — I’ll be serving aboard the USS Trojan from now on, fyaknowwhadImean…

589. AJ - April 2, 2014

Robot Chicken…Now they respect their Star Trek. For sure.

590. Basement Blogger - April 2, 2014

Potpourri

@ 559

Marja, I believe the saxophonist you are talking about is Stan Getz. He plays tenor sax. And his big hit with Gilberto was “The Girl From Ipanema.” The song exploded the bossa nova movement. It’s now big in elevators. But the original version was lovely.

@ 570

You are welcome Silvereyes. By the I wish I had studied French in high school rather than Latin. Stopped using Latin in high school and now don’t remember any of it.

Netflix viewing….

With trouble brewing in Ukraine and Korea, I’m watching the mini-series, “The Winds of War.” (1983) How’s that for relaxation?

OLD MAN ALERT. Yes, I did watch it when it first came out. The mini series was based on Herman Wouk’s novel of the same name. He wrote the teleplay. It’s an excellent drama of a family against the backdrop of incoming world war. There are some tense historical interludes with major leaders of the Axis powers. Talky? You betcha. And riveting television.

One minor glitch. Ali MacGraw has got to be the most inconsistent actress I’ve ever seen. She’s great at times, then she’s terrible as in she sounds like she’s a robot reading lines. Co-star John Houseman probably should have slapped her a couple of times to see if she was alive.

Robert Mitchum was simply wonderful Yep, he’s a minimalist actor. But I found his delivery of the lines to be very believable. And Herman Wouk’s characters all have depth. This time he gets to raise the antisemitism of both the Nazis and the less violent strands here in America. That’s unlike what happened in the classic movie “The Caine Mutiny” where the theme of antisemitism was not addressed.

Great production values also. Looking for some addictive television on Netflix, see “The Winds of War.”

591. Disinvited - April 2, 2014

#590. Basement Blogger – April 2, 2014, 559. Marja

Ah yes, Getz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJkxFhFRFDA

592. AJ - April 2, 2014

I do not understand why we do not just attack North Korea and get that idiotic dynasty into history’s dustbin ASAP.

Alright…No oil. Got it.

I mean (assuming it’s true), death-camps, extreme poverty, drug-running and all the extra unnecessary world tension. Just a bit of shock and awe, then agree what to do with the Chinese and the South (unite, obviously), throw in huge investment, and- bingo: Whirled Peas.

A big issue is how to deal with the huge massed troop deployments they have, say, along the DMZ. Obviously you want to kill no one, so managing them with their ingrained worldview and military training/orders could be tricky. Maybe free TV’s and Big Macs at the border? Bat-sleeping gas? That’s a tough one.

Anyway, the world should go get it done, improve many people’s lives, and then check the box: Done and dusted.

593. Aurore - April 2, 2014

@589. AJ – April 2, 2014

“Robot Chicken…Now they respect their Star Trek. For sure.”

______

:))

594. Aurore - April 3, 2014

@ 589.

I was too busy laughing @ 593 ; I forgot to add :

A most relevant remark…in its funniness, AJ!

(If my sentence does not make any sense, just pretend that it does. As usual. Thank you.)

:)

595. AJ - April 3, 2014

Here is the plot for the Star Trek 50th Anniversary Time Travel film….

Just caption the pictures!

http://gawker.com/patrick-stewart-and-ian-mckellan-are-new-yorks-best-to-1556634366

596. Aurore - April 3, 2014

@ 595. AJ.

They obviously had a great time!

“Here is the plot for the Star Trek 50th Anniversary Time Travel film….”

(Star Trek Into Friendship and Happiness)

“Just caption the pictures!”

You first !

597. CmdrR - April 3, 2014

OK, fine… here goes:

Picard: Well, I never expected time travel from the 24th century to the 21st century to go so smoothly.

Gandalf: Nor I the trip from Middle Earth to NYC.

Picard: Is this the plot of the new Star Trek movie?

Gandalf: No. Our characters have been recast as the studios appeals to a younger demographic. They’ve just sent us here to get us out of the way.

Picard: Who’ll be playing us?

Gandalf: Justin Beiber and Thomas the Tank Engine.

Picard: Yes, perhaps memorable dialogue, character development, continuity, and plot holes are all over-rated.

598. Phil - April 3, 2014

Star – Trek into Assisted Living

Okay….that sucks.

599. LizardGirl - April 3, 2014

@BB
When did MJ get banned?!! Who was the sockpuppet? Honestly, MJ is very outspoken, I can’t see him sockpuppeting…trolling? Maaybe. But it never seemed like he needed to (sockpuppet). He always has supporters so why would he….?

600. Matt Wright - April 3, 2014

FYI most of his “supporters” were himself in another guise. He’d been doing for quite a while now and I finally took an in depth look into it and put a stop to it.

601. CmdrR - April 3, 2014

Saw CAWS, as it will now be referred to by no one.

Good popcorn chomper. The visuals, of course, are excellent. It’s got a good strength vs. security theme. Plot holes? You know it! And at 136 minutes, Captain America Winter Soldier could have trimmed 15 characters and about 20 minutes. But, that’s kinda what I expected. It also has modern-movie-itis in that physics and ballistics (or is it just badguy aim) are under the control of the writers as is the sense of urgency at times when a moment’s consideration would have been worthwhile. Also, if the powers that be would quit spending trillions on hardware we KNOW is gonna get blow’d up at the end, then maybe we could get out of this recession. Nice to see Jenny Agutter go from cameo to getting some face time. I give it a B+, only because I could see a few of the “big twists” coming… but this is not a movie for thinking… it’s a movie for feeling.

602. Marja - April 3, 2014

597 CmdrR, LOL

And while I was looking at the pics of the Two Sirs having a grand ol’ time, I saw this …

This is so cool. A great answer to haters, at least of the social persuasion:
http://jezebel.com/honey-maid-tells-homophobes-to-take-a-hike-in-best-resp-1557890754

603. CmdrR - April 4, 2014

Marja,

Not that it matters, but while Sir Ian is… Sir Patrick hilariously is not.

I only even go there, because this is priceless:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/19/patrick-stewart-outed-gay_n_4814994.html

604. Basement Blogger - April 4, 2014

TrekMovie Chat Exclusive:

Here’s a deleted scene from “Gravity” that would have changed the whole movie. The Cuaron brothers cut the scene because it would made the film thirty minutes long. :-) AJ and Harry Ballz might like this important scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw79smKZB9E

605. CmdrR - April 4, 2014

BB – 1:11. Hard to get people to shell out $14 per ticket for 3-D when it’s only twice as long as it takes Harry to have sex.

ps – 2 good interviews this week. cross your fingers and webbed toes, everyone.

606. Marja - April 4, 2014

603 Bernie, thanks, I laffed my ass off “No air in space to carry sound, DUH” !!!

607. AJ - April 4, 2014

604:

Bernie:

Guaranteed that more people see this “Gravity” mashup than ever watched “Superman IV: The Quest for Peace” from which the masher-upper culled the Supes FX.

608. Harry Ballz - April 4, 2014

@605 CmdrR “it’s only twice as long as it takes Harry to have sex”

Glad to hear you took a minute out of your busy schedule to watch, CmdrR!

609. Cygnus-X1 - April 4, 2014

…and speaking of “Superman IV: The Quest for Peace”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEi4I6UWuDQ

610. AJ - April 4, 2014

609:

Cygnus-X1….That was Family-Guy-ish terrible. If that line had been in the actual film, it only could have made it better.

611. Cygnus-X1 - April 4, 2014

KIRK: Spock, it look likes the only way to defeat Admiral Marcus is to for us to star trek into darkness.

SPOCK:Ohhh…so THAT’S why they called it that!

612. Harry Ballz - April 5, 2014

Q: how about we make a convoluted mess regarding our beloved Enterprise crew?

A: sounds like a star trek into darkness.

613. Aurore - April 5, 2014

More about friendship and happiness.

(This was posted on the site months ago, and, is still nice to see ; I love seeing happy people ! Enjoy! ) :

http://trekmovie.com/2013/03/19/patrick-stewart-engaged-ian-mckellen-to-officiate-the-wedding/

(Watch Sir Ian McKellen talk about how he is going to “marry Patrick” starts at 7:55).

:)

614. CmdrR - April 5, 2014

608. 35 seconds, Harry. I saw it on Saget’s show, “America’s Horniest Home Videos.”

615. Harry Ballz - April 5, 2014

35 seconds, CmdrR?

In your case that would include foreplay AND cuddling after!

When interviewed, the women you used to have sex with all stated that as to how long it took, “hey, it takes longer to get vaccinated!”

616. CmdrR - April 5, 2014

At least I had a partner, Harry.
Kleenex does not count as a date.

617. Phil - April 5, 2014

I don’t know, they were doing flu shots at Costco last winter, and it was going to take about an hour forty-five start to finish…

618. CmdrR - April 5, 2014

Yeah, these days I top off around the 90-minute mark. But, the ladies come back for booster shots…

619. AJ - April 5, 2014

615:

You’ve used that vaccination analogy in CHAT at least once before in the last 6 years, Harry. You need new material. “Hey, I just flew in from XXXX, and boy are my arms tired!” is up there as well.

I understand it’s all part of showing us all your age, but I can’t watch Henny Youngman or George Burns anymore without thinking of Harry Ballz.

620. Harry Ballz - April 6, 2014

@616 CmdrR “Kleenex does not count as a date”

My old prom date, Julie Kleenex, would disagree with you!

621. CmdrR - April 6, 2014

619 – Harry, you know you just used her and her sisters, then tossed them away.

622. Aurore - April 6, 2014

…It is…”time travel” time!!!

You’re not interested? Fair enough…

…And yet…Who cares?! :

:))

Star Trek Sequel Writers Give Script Update + Promise No Remake + Talk Vulcan, Arcs, & More :

( http://trekmovie.com/2011/06/11/star-trek-sequel-writers-give-script-update-promise-no-remake-talk-vulcan-arcs-more/ )

On original vs. classic storylines – “No remake”

Lindelof also talked about how their approach is not to just do a remake:

“Lindelof: We love Trek too, but we want to also blaze our own trail here. The idea of just kind of playing cover songs and classics again – we feel like there has to be a little of that, but there has to be a lot of original music in the set list to be worthy of your time and attention. You don’t want to see a remake, you want to see a new movie.

On Star Trek (2009) time travel, canon and more:

Lindelof talked about their early decision to use time-travel to allow them to make Star Trek both an origin story and a sequel to all that came before. Explaining:

“Lindelof: That was the only way we could make it work, because we said, we can’t be bound by the incredible canon of Trek, because the Chekov knowing Khan thing [continuity error from Star Trek II] would have just been the tip of the iceberg. It would also hamstring us in a way because if you watch the movie you would know that no one could die and nothing bad could happen to anybody, because they have to grow up and go on the adventures we saw them have. And we also didn’t want to replay those adventures, because everybody knows the outcomes.

Orci: We also didn’t want to erase what came before, so that is why we decided to sort of update time-travel. It is not the rules of Back to the Future. It is the rules of more modern theories, of creating an alternate universe. It explains why some of the characters do what they do. Spock doesn’t try to fix the timeline because there is no such thing as fixing the timeline, they are just in a new universe that is going on its own. That had been done is some of the previous Star Trek series, but not in the movies.

Lindelof: In the case of the physics and the science and the science fiction, we had a rule that we kept coming back to, which was ‘our wives need to understand this movie.'”

Fast forward to today.

As I said (@ 491, 496 etc…). I expect the…unexpected as far as the next Star Trek is concerned.

I could be wrong, but, I believe the movie will be epic . The stuff of legends.

You heard it here first.

Remember that…when the current Chat page is long “gone”…

:)

623. AJ - April 6, 2014

621:

Aurore:

I cover my ears and say “LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA!” when those writers say that stuff.

Lindelof is a political animal who will drop the ‘Khan shouldn’t have known Chekhov’ continuity gaffe in TWOK to bond with the supernerd completists and thus gain cred with the more mainstream fanbase before spewing out a pile of junk. Just look at ‘Prometheus.’

As for your prediction of the next film’s “epicness,” I will start with the useless hope that it actually be completed and released on schedule. That would be a rare treat; a “valentine to the fans.”

Then we get a 50/50 chance, as usual. Hey. Third time’s the charm. Why not?

624. Aurore - April 6, 2014

@ 621. Addendum.

By the way, and, just “For the record” ( from the comments section of the thread I linked to @ 621 ) :

148. boborci – June 12, 2011

I knew damon’s statement would get him in hot water. I called him out right then and there, right Anthony? And he didnt write the tech, i did, and i never used the strategy he stated. Quite the contrary, i did the opposite of dumb it down. So. Controversy over?

_______

:)

625. Aurore - April 6, 2014

@ 622. AJ – April 6, 2014

“621:
Aurore:
I cover my ears and say ‘LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA!’ when those writers say that stuff….”

__________________

:))

Hi!

“…Lindelof is a political animal who will drop the ‘Khan shouldn’t have known Chekhov’ continuity gaffe in TWOK to bond with the supernerd completists and thus gain cred with the more mainstream fanbase before spewing out a pile of junk. Just look at ‘Prometheus.’”

I did not watch Prometheus , AJ! But, I do see your point!

“…As for your prediction of the next film’s ‘epicness’, I will start with the useless hope that it actually be completed and released on schedule. That would be a rare treat; a ‘valentine to the fans….'”

Oh, yeah ; an… epic… “valentine to the fans”…I believe that. I do. I mean, why not?

:)

Then we get a 50/50 chance, as usual. Hey. Third time’s the charm. Why not?

Um…Yeah…Yeah….Sure, AJ…”Why not?”

:)

626. Aurore - April 6, 2014

@ 623.Correction.

“@ 621. Addendum.
By the way, and, just “For the record” ( from the comments section of the thread I linked to @ 621 ) :”

Should have read :

@ 621. Addendum.

By the way, and, just “For the record” ( from the comments section of the thread I linked to @ 621 ), concerning Damon Lindelof’s statement regarding the wives :

627. CmdrR - April 6, 2014

http://www.startrek.com/article/watch-wil-wheaton-wows-with-reply-to-childs-nerd-question

Go, Wil!

628. CmdrR - April 6, 2014

http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/f283/

It’d be way extra coolpants if the video showed the toy actually flying. I think there’s about .0008 seconds that appear to show flight. IF this works, I want one.

629. Disinvited - April 6, 2014

#623. Aurore – April 6, 2014

My link to the Fan review page says it is broken, so I am left with my last recall that you, as of yet, have not seen STID?

I’m not saying viewing it will definitely change anything, but until you do you can’t possibly know what effect, if any, it might have on the odds on your internal “epic” tote board which could serve as response for that question of AJ’s that you reiterated?

Obviously, if you have seen it then I chose to quote Gilda Radner who based her character, Emily Litella, on one of her real aunts which obscures this quote’s exact attribution, “Never mind.”

630. Aurore - April 6, 2014

@ 629.

“#623. Aurore – April 6, 2014
“My link to the Fan review page says it is broken, so I am left with my last recall that you, as of yet, have not seen STID?…”
__________________

That is what I recently said @ 531 (on this page).

( @ 378, 383, 491and 496, I also explained why I believed the next Star Trek could be… “epic”.)

:)

“…I’m not saying viewing it will definitely change anything, but until you do you can’t possibly know what effect, if any, it might have on the odds on your internal ‘epic’ tote board which could serve as response for that question of AJ’s that you reiterated?etc, etc…”

I did not understand your point.

In any case…Nevermind.

:)

631. Disinvited - April 6, 2014

#630. Aurore – April 6, 2014

No real point other than an opportunity to be silly and illicit a smile because i am feeling as if I am experiencing real Litella loopiness.

If there was any point it was probably just to remind you that you have not availed yourself of all the information available that could be used to make your “epic” call.

I mentioned the fan review chain because I tried to check it for your review there which would indicate for me whether you had got around to seeing it since March 30th – but, alas, the article/chain appears lost.

632. Harry Ballz - April 6, 2014

Mickey Rooney has died at 93.

RIP.

633. AJ - April 6, 2014

GAME OF THRONES Season 4, Episode 1: Yay!

Got my fix!

Happy! Happy!

634. Basement Blogger - April 7, 2014

Here’s the short review of Captain America: The Winter Soldier 3D. I found the questions raised in the plot more compelling than the action. And if you’ve seen Star Trek Into Darkness, a theme will sound familiar. How much freedom are you willing to sacrifice for security? In STID, it was Admiral Marcus move away from Federation ideas to confront a Klingon threat. That’s the war on terror. In Captain America, they were more explicit in explaining the motivations of the bad guys because they wanted to make the movie relevant to the current times. And the building of the helicarriers in secret should remind you of something in STID which was more metaphorical. Still Captain America was fascinating; I was curious about the mysteries and questions raised.

Avoid the 3D version. It’s a conversion from 2D. There are too many hand-hand shots during the action scenes. That will make moviegoers sick. I got sick. It felt like motion sickness.

The grade is A. Here’s the long review with trailer.
http://berniebasementblog.blogspot.com/2014/04/captain-america-winter-soldier-3d-review.html

635. Aurore - April 7, 2014

@ 631.

“#630. Aurore – April 6, 2014
No real point other than an opportunity to be silly and illicit a smile because i am feeling as if I am experiencing real Litella loopiness…”

Congratulations.

“…If there was any point it was probably just to remind you that you have not availed yourself of all the information available that could be used to make your ‘epic’ call…”

Your opinion is duly noted.

“…I mentioned the fan review chain…but, alas, the article/chain appears lost.”

You said so before (@ 629, hours ago). But, if such is really the case, is there anything specific you would like me to do about it ?

:)

636. Aurore - April 7, 2014

“…You said so before (@ 629, hours ago). But, if such is really the case, is there anything specific you would like me to do about it ?”

__________

Upon re-reading this answer of mine, I do not like my tone.

I apologise.

No. I still haven’t watched the movie .
But, when I do, I’ll give my one-line review, here on Chat.
I promise.

:)

637. CmdrR - April 7, 2014

BB — I hadn’t made the link between STID and CAWS, but you are definitely correct. It’s as if the studios every six months or so meet to agree on movie talking points, that is the exact points to put in a movie. So, we end up with about a dozen films hitting the same themes. I understand it. I don’t necessarily like it. The heliocarriers also felt like a rehash from The Avengers. Both are good movies, but Avengers got there first. Again, I think we’re seeing well-crafted movies, but we’re seeing far fewer ideas in those movies. Indie films can be a mixed bag, but I’d say at this point in time I’m more likely to be surprised by something in an indie than in any $250M splosion-fest.

638. Disinvited - April 7, 2014

#636. Aurore – April 7, 2014

Merci beaucoup, I was never properly schooled in French. In high school, my second language requirement was met by Spanish, but my best friend had French and being a good friend I would prompt him in his study of it. Learned enough to curl American women’s toes. Not sure it would have been good enough for conversational French. After being transplanted to the West Coast, what vestiges of French I had seem to fade with the increase of recourse to Spanish.

Anyway, the only assist I might expect in regards to finding the lost fan review thread is that as a veteran of trekmovie you would be aware that quite a few chains divorce themselves from their original url when the article gets a name change such as if “Chat” were renamed “[UPDATE] Super Chat”, and therefore, any such change or new link you may have stumbled across for:

http://trekmovie.com/into-darkness-fan-reviews

would very much appreciated.

And as always your grace and poise leaves me, enchanté.

639. Aurore - April 7, 2014

@638.

“…Anyway, the only assist I might expect in regards to finding the lost fan review thread is that as a veteran of trekmovie you would be aware that quite a few chains divorce themselves from their original url when the article gets a name change such as if “Chat” were renamed “[UPDATE] Super Chat”, and therefore, any such change or new link you may have stumbled across for:

http://trekmovie.com/into-darkness-fan-reviews

would very much appreciated….”

______________

I’m sure any competent “newbie” (to resort to a term I don’t like) could be of help.

As for… “veterans”… what about someone… from the management ?!

:)

You taught me something today ; “… quite a few chains divorce themselves from their original url when the article gets a name change such as if ‘Chat’ were renamed ‘[UPDATE] Super Chat’…”

I did not know that. Thank you.

Hopefully, we’ll know what became of the “lost” fan review thread . Soon.

:)

640. Aurore - April 7, 2014

“…Hopefully, we’ll know what became of the ‘lost’ fan review thread . Soon.”
_________

In any event, as I said earlier, after I see the movie, I intend to post my opinion about it , here. On Chat.

(…Provided it is still possible. Of course…)

:))

641. Harry Ballz - April 7, 2014

@640 Aurore “Provided it is still possible”

Aurore……….”there are always possibilities.”

:))

642. Phil - April 7, 2014

@634. You may not want to wade into the comparison, but as you have described WS and STID as being similar in nature, as far as delivering on the ‘trade freedom for security’ question, which movie did it better?

643. AJ - April 7, 2014

Aw, C’mon….

http://happynicetimepeople.com/sun-revolve-around-earth-even-captain-janeway-says/

644. Basement Blogger - April 7, 2014

@ 637, 642

CmdrR, Phil,

Star Trek TV (DS9, Enterprise) covered the war on terror long before Abrams Star Trek and Captain America. And by the way, Captain America did cover some of the themes in the Civil War strand of comics. Don’t ask me about CA, I don’t read comics just was informed about them. I liked both STID AND CAWS very much. I think you had to be more explicit in CAWS to inform the audience of the conspiracy as our heroes uncover it. it’s also more contemporary to what is happening now. Early on, Captain America tells Fury that building more helicarriers is not freedom but fear. That’s in the trailer by the way so no big spoiler. STID relied more on metaphor. For example, Khan’s fate for example reminds me of the Guantanamo situation. I think both do a very good job of raising the themes so it’s apples and oranges to me.

I am proud of Star Trek TV. In DS9’s two part episodes, Homefront and Paradise Lost, the theme of trading freedom for security was raised as Federation officers conspire to establish martial law on earth. You see the Dominion War and the Changeling enemies could be anywhere. Season Three of Enterprise was one long metaphor on the war on terror. It stars out with a 9/11 like attack by the Xindi. The Enterprise goes to unknown space to track them. Along the way, Captain Archer resorted to piracy and torture to complete the mission. But there’s also some old fashioned Star Trek here as not all of the Xindi alliance are man’s enemies. Understanding and tolerance.

645. Aurore - April 8, 2014

@ 641. Mr. Ballz – April 7, 2014

“@640 Aurore ‘Provided it is still possible’
Aurore……….’there are always possibilities’.
:))”
_______________

I’m happy to “see” you, grumpy!
I hope you are well!

”there are always possibilities.”

Indeed.
…Or so I’ve heard…

:)

646. CmdrR - April 8, 2014

643 – AJ, I’m just hoping Janeway was dizzy on Chesterfields and Bushmills when they dumped a U-Haul full of cash on her porch. At least in the trailer, Michio Kaku’s part is so hacked up, it’s impossible to tell what his conclusions are.

Only one pinhead goes so far as to say flat-out that there’s no life except on Earth. The others may metaphorically agree that Earth is the center of the universe (and I know it’s semantics, but that’s not the same as saying the Sun revolves around the Earth.) Is this good science? Of course not. Is it Christian technobabble? You betcha!

I say send in Neil deGrasse Tyson to kick some Cosmic ass.

As for the religious tone: I have no problem with saying “God love the people of Earth.” I have no problem saying God created The Universe. I have EVERY problem with saying, “God is a guy like me, just older, who agrees with everything I want to be true and will change the universe if it helps me close this business deal.” That theory will be “pecked to death by ducks.”

647. CmdrR - April 8, 2014

**best Cartman voice** Hollywood, I hate you guys so very, very much!

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/66850

648. AJ - April 8, 2014

Well, NOW we’re talkin’, Kate:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/08/star-treks-kate-mulgrew-on-geocentrist-film-i-was-a-voice-for-hire-and-a-misinformed-one

At least she got paid.

649. CmdrR - April 8, 2014

I think, judging by the trailer and its coma-inducing silly science, I can see how smart people could think they were talking about Sci-Chri and not a serious scientific theory.

Having said that, geocentrism reeks of egocentrism, which is anti-Christian. Jesus might (no proof on this, just envisioning it) have told the flock, “If i told you even a fraction of my Father’s work, it would blow your mind. You will always work to learn more and never know it all. And that is cool.”

650. AJ - April 8, 2014

CmdrR:

It’s refreshing to hear an American Christian view that’s not anti-science (i.e. yours), and actually reads into the teachings of Christ as liberal and pro-science/discovery. That is because I don’t know any others (Russian Orthodox Christians wouldn’t go near anti-evolution/science and I have no practicing Christians in my close circle of friends).

I often wonder how real/widespread the flock of “Christian” anti-science idiots actually is, or if it’s just the loudest/weirdest voices on the Internet getting airtime for their shock-value. “Guns, no evolution, and Jesus, yeah.”

I also believe the “Creationists clamoring for equal time on Cosmos” thing is exaggerated PR for ratings, because Tyson DOES dig at them as part of his schtick (go get ‘em!) . It’s also true that the show is shown around the world, and that ‘giving equal time’ to a fringe set of beliefs allegedly prominent in the American dust/rust bowl/deep South won’t resonate with Moslems, Buddhists, Hindus, atheists, Christians, and whatevers, in countries where disregarding science would be considered a reason for psychiatric committal.

Anyway, too bad Janeway had to get involved. Back to her Gin & Tonics and a pack of Luckies for breakfast.

651. Phil - April 8, 2014

Janeway says she was tricked! Kind of makes me wonder why she didn’t walk when they finally tossed her a script.

I consider myself a person of faith, and don’t see science as anything other then a wonderful voyage of discovery the complexity of creation. Sadly, so much of what passes for faith these days really isn’t much more then political dogma, no believer worth his salt would engage in a science vs faith debate anymore then they would, say compare biology vs. physics. Science needs a moral anchor, a position any ethical person of faith should embrace, not shun.

652. CmdrR - April 9, 2014

On a lighter note….

Hey Harry, there are rings around your asteroid!

(Check the entry for April 9th)。。。
apod.nasa.gov

653. Harry Ballz - April 9, 2014

CmdrR, I know it’s an old joke, but still……………………..

If asteroids are in the hemisphere and hemorrhoids are in your ass, then why aren’t asteroids called hemorrhoids and hemorrhoids called asteroids?

654. AJ - April 9, 2014

Not to NOT answer Harry’s rhetorical question of the ages, but I had to put this one up, just for the headline and photo:

Key line in the caption: …”if you love Star Trek enough…”

Do you? (I’ve seen it much more than five times)

http://io9.com/i-hate-this-movie-so-much-i-had-to-watch-it-five-time-1561494326?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebook&utm_source=io9_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

655. Marja - April 9, 2014

Re: Mulgrew and the script, I think it’s just possible that they gave her pages and pages, of which they planned to use about 10%. Editing of voice work is down to the point of excising one word. There are many examples of excision to make the point of those publishing comments.

Hilarious example from MAD magazine, ages ago:

“This book was the most stupendous waste I’ve ever spent time with”
edited to
“This book was the most supendous … I’ve ever spent time with!”
———————————————————————————————————
Also, folks, I’ve seen so many great and funny videos thanks to y’all!

656. Aurore - April 10, 2014

@ 654. AJ – April 9, 2014

“Not to NOT answer Harry’s rhetorical question of the ages, but I had to put this one up, just for the headline and photo:

Key line in the caption: …’if you love Star Trek enough…’

Do you? (I’ve seen it much more than five times)….”

_________

Full disclosure (or…“fool” disclosure) :

:)

A few years ago, I watched that movie so many times… on DVD.

Would you still respect me if I told you I’ve enjoyed watching Star Trek V : The Final Frontiermuch more… than I did watching Star Trek II : The Wrath of Khan ? [ Which I discovered was a fan favourite ( apparently ), only after 2009, when I got involved in online "fandom". ]

….Say you love me still !

SAY IT !!!

:))

657. AJ - April 10, 2014

Aurore:

Je t’aime encore, et je t’aimerai toujours…..

But now to the issue of STV: ST2 is not just a fan favorite, but is considered by casual punters to be ‘up there’ with some of the best Sci-Fi Fantasy films of the age.

But now to the issue of STV: I think we Trekkers manage to watch and re-watch the films no matter how much we think we like them. I have seen STID probably 4-5 times by now. Hell, the Hobbit films require at least two viewings just to get the lay of the land, and get past the dazzling FX to the story.

But now to the issue of STV: It pretty well sucks, but there is a vocal contingent that ‘cringed less’ when they watched it due to the character moments, instead of finding them derivative of what had already worked in STIV, i.e. humor (though here it was quite forced). The laundry list of sins is pretty long (the ‘making of’ book is quite good, if you can find it), and they’ll never fund, or even crowd-fund a real enhanced Director’s Cut, for sure.

658. Disinvited - April 10, 2014

#657. AJ – April 10, 2014

“…they’ll never fund, or even crowd-fund a real enhanced Director’s Cut, for sure.” – AJ

I’m not so sure of that. Crowd-sourcing data shows that the primary drivers of such funds seem to be mere 4% of fans. They are a very exceptional lot as they are willing to pay exorbitantly high prices because, for them it gives them access to rare value added items that the most of us who bargain hunt couldn’t be bothered with.

For example, a used “Blueberry” car, one of a few used in PSYCH, recently went to a family of four for $40,000 because of its identity as part of that show and that its cast signed the interior. Another example of this 4%’s largesse: I personally attended an impromptu auction held by Patrick Stewart, to raise funds for one his charities, for the model used in his SNL “Love Boat” Trek skit. It was a flimsy affair made of the collision of an AMT ToS E (possibly even the model rocket) and Ocean Liner model kits. The bidding got to 5 figures and closed on a lovely couple who it was readily apparent bid to the extreme of their means. Stewart, detecting this, decided he needed to “add value” to their object d’art for their sacrifice to his cause; so he took it all over the Con to get his fellow cast members of TNG to sign it. Then he asked the couple for their contact info and assured them that if they allowed him custody for a little while that he’d get the entire TNG cast’s signature. I’m uncertain of this part of the recollection, but I think I recall he got Shatner to sign it too.

Anyway, even if, for the sake of discussion, I accede that the pool of ST:V fans is too small for a crowd sourcing, I believe the pool of William Shatner fan 4 percenters is more than adequately sized to raise enough funds through such variously themed schemes.

659. AJ - April 10, 2014

Disinvited: You’re absolutely right. I recall reading recently that the rockband “Radiohead” released a web-only album for the price of ‘$whatever you want to pay.” From $0 to as high as you want. While they got mostly free to nearly-free downloads, they made their money off of the super-deluxe-autographed-super-rare-extra-special-release w/rarities-and a cherry $120 version which sold to dedicated fans, of which there is a decent amount, apparently.

Not that there ever was a major fan movement to get those pesky rockmen at the center of the galaxy rendered in glorious CGI, but there was the brief sigh of discontent when Paramount released their cash-grab no-changes “director’s cut” years ago as Shatner had let it be known what could have been had the purse strings been opened a bit more than they were back then.

While we all know that when you have a piece of crap, pouring more crap on it doesn’t make it any prettier, it would have been nice to watch an altered version of V out of pure curiosity.

660. CmdrR - April 10, 2014

Colbert to succeed Letterman at Late Night.
I may have to watch CBS again.

http://radiotvtalk.blog.ajc.com/2014/04/10/cbs-replaces-david-letterman-with-stephen-colbert/

661. Aurore - April 11, 2014

@ 657. AJ – April 10, 2014

“…But now to the issue of STV: I think we Trekkers manage to watch and re-watch the films no matter how much we think we like them. I have seen STID probably 4-5 times by now…”

_________________

You mean…you Trekkers manage to watch and re-watch the films no matter how much you think you like them!

:))

…What mattered to me was the family, i.e., my beloved crew. More than anything else, I always cared about seeing them together, fighting the bad guys or…”gods” (occasionally), amongst other adventures. But, as Jean-Luc would say, the line had to be drawn somewhere….

It took me years to get around to seeing some of the The Next Generation movies, for instance.

And, regarding Star Trek II, the revelation that Kirk had a son he had never met before was heartbreaking, for me. As you are well aware, as if this were not enough, “they” had to make Carol say this :

“…You had your world and I had mine. I wanted him in mine not chasing through the universe with his father.”

I did not like it. At all.

(As for the famous reactor scene, I knew Spock would be back somehow, since, by the time I saw the movie, there had been other Star Trek movies with the entire cast…)

So, speaking for myself, there are Star Trek movies I avoid (re)watching.

“…Hell, the Hobbit films require at least two viewings just to get the lay of the land, and get past the dazzling FX to the story….”

The The Lord of the Rings movies, the The Hobbit films, I’m not a fan of those.

“….But now to the issue of STV: It pretty well sucks, but there is a vocal contingent that ‘cringed less’ when they watched it due to the character moments, instead of finding them derivative of what had already worked in STIV, i.e. humor (though here it was quite forced). The laundry list of sins is pretty long (the ‘making of’ book is quite good, if you can find it), and they’ll never fund, or even crowd-fund a real enhanced Director’s Cut, for sure.

:))

AJ, je veux que tu saches que, although I enjoyed watching the movie, I, personally, am not asking for one, either!

Thank you for the recommendation concernant le book, nonetheless.

:)

662. CmdrR - April 11, 2014

I am officially employed again. Woo-hoo!! (and phew! My 10th anniversary with AdmrR is next week.)

663. AJ - April 11, 2014

Good news, CmdrR! Congrats and Congrats!

664. Harry Ballz - April 11, 2014

@662.

Congratulations, CmdrR!

Let us know how it goes.

665. Aurore - April 11, 2014

Star Trek…news :

“‘Star Trek: Live in Concert’ Sets Course for San Diego Comic-Con”

(Link if authorized, here) :

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/star-trek-live-in-concert-sets-course-for-san-diego-comic-con-1201155788/

666. Aurore - April 12, 2014

…But, now to the issue of Star Trek V.

Ralph Winter speaks out :

“… We Almost Killed The Franchise….”

http://trekmovie.com/2010/06/30/producer-ralph-winter-on-star-trek-v-we-almost-killed-the-franchise/

…And :

http://trekmovie.com/2009/06/14/20-facts-about-star-trek-v-the-final-frontier/

667. AJ - April 12, 2014

666: (Ooooooooooh….)

Aurore:

My biggest point of contention with STV is just how poorly Kirk is written, specifically when Sybok commandeers the shuttle on Nimbus III with Kirk & Co. on board, as he is preparing to hijack the Enterprise.

Kirk would NEVER let the E be taken by a hostile force, and would, if necessary destroy her with all hands before giving in so easily as he does here; instead of telling Scotty ‘condition green’ or some such to alert him that he is surrounded by hostile forces with the enemy listening, he does his ‘Plan B’ act, which I believe is supposed to be funny (it isn’t), and hands Sybok the ship. He even asks Sybok for permission (“Let me do something!”) before his big fake-out and the ensuing nauseatingly poor FX sequence.

When they board the ship, it’s more silly banter and comedy routines, and not once is there an attempt to seize the ship back before Kirk just decides that it’s part of his job as an explorer to bend over for Sybok and help with that mission of his.

God, I think I must have seen this thing more than just five times….

And then, Shatner got flack from the Religious Right of that time period for making a ‘secular humanistic’ film. Man..what a stinker…

668. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - April 12, 2014

Star Trek V had it’s good moment’s. But the story was so weak. But. As bad as the story was. It’s way better then Star Trek Into Darkness.

669. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - April 12, 2014

WTG! CmdrR.
Great news on both front’s.

670. AJ - April 12, 2014

Here is a more thorough take on the whole ‘geocentrist’ non-issue:

Beware of the following depressing paragraph:

“Recent polls have suggested that one in four Americans are unaware the Earth revolves around the sun, just as one-fourth of Americans believe President Barack Obama may be the Antichrist, 33 percent hold creationist beliefs, nearly 40 percent believe global warming is a hoax, and about half believe in one or more medical conspiracy theories.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/12/why-are-geocentrists-trying-to-undo-centuries-worth-of-accepted-science-hint-the-jews/#.U0lfuzcr7Ig.facebook

671. Aurore - April 12, 2014

@ 667. AJ – April 12, 2014

“666: (Ooooooooooh….)…”

_________

Yeah, baby.

That’s right. I am not a free woman.

I am a… number ; 6…6…6.

My “phenomenal” presence never goes unnoticed ( posts 669 & 682 ):

http://trekmovie.com/2013/01/24/the-force-is-with-jj-j-j-abrams-to-direct-next-star-wars-for-disney/

…But, now to the issue of Star Trek V.

I can’t really disagree with any of the things you said in your post, AJ. (I mean, I could, but, it would be to be a contrarian…for contrarian’s sake…)

So, WHY, oh, why do I suddenly feel the need to watch that… “stinker”, again?

…”If you love Star Trek enough”, you’ll understand…

:)

672. Phil - April 12, 2014

@670. Excluding medical conspiracies, that means, roughly, 75% of the population knows better. We need to keep speaking up about this stuff….

673. Harry Ballz - April 12, 2014

@671 Aurore “to be a contrarian”

A Contrarian?

Isn’t that one of the 642 species that Janeway met up with in the Delta Quadrant?

674. Aurore - April 12, 2014

@673. Mr. Ballz.

“A Contrarian?
Isn’t that one of the 642 species that Janeway met up with in the Delta Quadrant?”
_____________

Janeway?

Isn’t that a character from one of the many Star Trek novels I never knew existed until recently ?

:)

675. Aurore - April 12, 2014

@ Mr. Ballz.

Before you start whining, crying, etc…

Yes; my post @ 674 was written in jest.

I am a “TOS-only fan”, but, I do know who Janeway is!

………She married a guy named Tuvok, right ?????????

:))

676. Harry Ballz - April 12, 2014

Aurore, I have a new nickname for you……

AURORE-BORE-MY-ASS-OFF

Ah, it feels good to get that off my chest!

677. CmdrR - April 12, 2014

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2603256/Scientists-develop-Star-Trek-scanner-detect-cancer-HIV-killer-diseases-minutes.html

Thanks to all.

678. CmdrR - April 12, 2014

http://bgr.com/2014/04/10/star-trek-commbadge-siri-and-google-now-communicator/

And then there’s this thingie. Not sure which is worse: the clunky, fashion-challenged comm-badge that’s hands-free except for the hand you use to operate it… the gawd awful video to promote it… or my sneaking suspicion that this thing was invented years ago and now is being reinvented, or is just the world’s most geeky-looking Bluetooth.

You decide.

679. Aurore - April 12, 2014

@ Mr. Ballz.

“Aurore, I have a new nickname for you……

AURORE-BORE-MY-ASS-OFF…”
__________

:))

Mmmmmmmmmm….I missed hearing these words….

(Memmmmmmmmmoriiiiies….)

“…Ah, it feels good to get that off my chest!”

You are welcome.

That is what friends are for…

:)

680. AJ - April 12, 2014

God, that Commbadge ad reminds me of a set of Ginsu knives for some reason (pretty girl in kitchen slicing vegetables), except with fewer practical uses.

If they could license the TNG commbadge design, they’d realize they are better off in the hotcakes-selling business, as in ‘it would sell like’….

681. Harry Ballz - April 13, 2014

@679 “it feels good to get that off my chest”

What, done that one before, have I?

I guess boredom leads to repetition. Thank you for helping me GET OFF.

682. Aurore - April 13, 2014

@ Mr. Ballz.

“@679 ‘it feels good to get that off my chest’

What, done that one before, have I?

I guess boredom leads to repetition….”

_________

Do not say that ever again, sir.
I am begging you.

You cannot be bored. ( I am positive that if you really were, you would find something meaningful to do…instead of interacting with my boring self, for instance.).

:)

…As I said, you cannot be bored. And, you know it.

I very much liked what you said earlier, on this very Chat page (@530).

Here is one of my favourite parts :

“…. I watch the occasional good movie, read books, do a little writing……it doesn’t take much for life to fly by at too fast a pace….”

Beautiful.

“….Thank you for helping me GET OFF.”

:)

683. Harry Ballz - April 13, 2014

Aurore, thanks for keeping me sane.

As Elvis would say, “thankyaverymush!”

I watched The Lone Ranger last night. It’s a cute popcorn flick.

I can see why it wasn’t a monster hit at the box office, with foreign markets to consider and all, but it didn’t deserve the drubbing it took from the critics either. Worth checking out.

684. Aurore - April 13, 2014

@ 683.Mr. Ballz.

“….I watched The Lone Ranger last night. It’s a cute popcorn flick.

I can see why it wasn’t a monster hit at the box office, with foreign markets to consider and all, but it didn’t deserve the drubbing it took from the critics either. Worth checking out.

____________

…Lynda Obst, is that you?

:)

…”Foreign markets” as in China and the “international audiences”? :

( Posts 1567, 1571, 1573, 1577 & 1610 ) :

http://trekmovie.com/2013/08/06/jj-trek-3-possible-director-and-writers/

…Just giving you my opinion on the “foreign markets” question…again.

But, I don’t remember reading your opinion on this topic. So I would be interested in knowing about it. Should you be willing to share it . Naturally.

(It is possible I misinterpreted your meaning. If such is the case, I apologise….and I’d still love to hear your opinion on the matter).

685. Aurore - April 13, 2014

@ 666

Regarding one of the articles I linked to (“20 Facts About Star Trek V: The Final Frontier”).

…20 facts…And, what Laurence Luckinbill later shared in an interview:

“….I got that from very high up in the food chain of information, that Leonard wanted to play Sybok and play Spock etc….”

http://trekmovie.com/2012/05/16/laurence-luckinbill-says-leonard-nimoy-nimoy-wanted-to-play-sybok-in-star-trek-v/

(In the article there is, of course, a link to the full interview with Laurence Luckinbill, where he talks in detail about his character, etc.).

686. AJ - April 13, 2014

Luckenbill did what he could with the role, as in ‘when life gives you lemons,” etc.

As for Nimoy wanting the Sybok role all to himself, it would have possibly been easier to digest (no ‘Vulcan Princess’ doing the dirty with Sarek having to co-mingle in canon with the Amanda Grayson backstory), but it was not to be.

Was it that legendary ‘rivalry’ between Nimoy and Shatner? Now that Shatner got to direct because Nimoy directed the two previous films (one a blockbuster), was Nimoy practicing one-upmanship by trying to get the Sybok role? Maybe not, but in the end, Paramount shat out a stinky turd, regardless.

Who knows

687. Aurore - April 14, 2014

@ 686. AJ .
“Luckenbill did what he could with the role, as in ‘when life gives you lemons,” etc.

As for Nimoy wanting the Sybok role all to himself, it would have possibly been easier to digest (no ‘Vulcan Princess’ doing the dirty with Sarek having to co-mingle in canon with the Amanda Grayson backstory), but it was not to be…”

__________

Yes.

When the article was posted, I commented ( @100 ) that Mr. Nimoy might have thought that a “long lost twin brother” would have made more sense in the overall story .

I wondered whether his “insistence” on playing both roles was not due to the fact that, according to “canon”, Spock was not supposed to have any other siblings. Dorothy Fontana had said as much while being interviewed in the new “Focus on Trek ” from IDW comics :

http://trekmovie.com/2007/07/22/dc-fontana-on-tas-canon-and-sybok/

DOROTHY FONTANA : I like a good story— but there are certain basic ground rules established which I don’t think can be easily tossed aside. I really hated it when one of the features (STAR TREK V) came up with a half brother for Spock when I had always insisted he had no other siblings. But I guess it isn’t “canon” if I wrote it. Go figure.

_____

(At any rate, I would have liked to hear Mr. Nimoy’s side of the story…)

688. Disinvited - April 14, 2014

# 687. Aurore – April 14, 2014, 686. AJ .

I think what you are ignoring is Nimoy went from the series playing Spock to he next TV series, MISSION IMPOSSIBLE, playing Paris, a master of mimicry and disguise.

I doubt he seriously considered playing Sybok as Spock’s identical twin in looks half-brother. I mean, as it is, most hybrid animals have a hard enough time resembling something that looks as if it belongs to one of its parents’ species let alone resemble one of its full breed half siblings.

I think what drew him to this role was another chance to try to pull-off a totally new character and surprise people in the end that it was him who actually had played the part.

689. Disinvited - April 14, 2014

#688. Disinvited – April 14, 2014

“…Spock to he next TV series…” should be “…Spock to his next TV series…”

690. AJ - April 14, 2014

Game of Thrones does it again. Man…

The whole episode is so wonderfully nerve-racking, and the payoff so stupendous and ghastly that you don’t realize you’ve stopped breathing until midway through the end credits.

691. Aurore - April 14, 2014

@ 688.

“I think what you are ignoring is Nimoy went from the series playing Spock to he next TV series, MISSION IMPOSSIBLE, playing Paris, a master of mimicry and disguise.

I doubt he seriously considered playing Sybok as Spock’s identical twin in looks half-brother etc, etc, etc, etc…”

________

…Hence what I said ;

“…(At any rate, I would have liked to hear Mr. Nimoy’s side of the story…)”

For, I think that is the only way I could have known for sure what… “drew him to this role”…

:)

692. Aurore - April 14, 2014

@ 691. Addendum.

….Moreover, and, to be exact, @ 687, I said Mr. Nimoy might have thought that a “long lost twin brother” would have made more sense in the overall story .

I never referred to any…”Sybok as Spock’s identical twin in looks half-brother.

693. Phil - April 14, 2014

How do you lose a twin brother, anyway?

Amanda, have you ever put something down and forgot where you left it?
Sarek, did you lose the hovercraft keys again? I swear, you’d forget your head if it wasn’t attached to your shoulders.
No dear, it’s not that. I just can’t quite put my finger on it, though….

694. Harry Ballz - April 14, 2014

@693 Phil “How do you lose a twin brother, anyway?”

Some would call that “splitting heirs”, Phil.

(ouch)

695. AJ - April 14, 2014

692/Aurore:

I can see where Nimoy might have thought that, as the resident expert on Spock.

In fact, an emotional twin brother who feels no qualms about exploiting his telepathic skills to further his life’s calling (‘removing pain’ etc.) might have been a chance for Spock to see himself as he could have been, had he embraced his humanity head-on instead of choosing a more Vulcan path, blah blah, etc.

But, we already had Spock do that in TMP once he melded with V’ger and got all filled with lurv as a result. And,whereas “V” could have explored this with potentially fan-squee-inducing moments, someone with an unimpaired long-term memory upstairs (Ralph Winter?) may have remembered TMP, and decided to go with the ensuing shit-show we all saw in the end.

696. Aurore - April 14, 2014

“…splitting heirs…”
________

:)

Nice pun!

697. Disinvited - April 15, 2014

#693. Phil – April 14, 2014

According to most newsprint accounts of lost twins finding each other, one or both twins given up for adoption – and not as a set.

698. Aurore - April 15, 2014

@ 695. AJ – April 14, 2014
“692/Aurore:

I can see where Nimoy might have thought that, as the resident expert on Spock.

In fact, an emotional twin brother who feels no qualms about exploiting his telepathic skills to further his life’s calling (‘removing pain’ etc.) might have been a chance for Spock to see himself as he could have been…”

__________

Indeed, AJ.

That is what Mr. Nimoy might have had in mind.

“…had he embraced his humanity head-on instead of choosing a more Vulcan path, blah blah, etc….”

I agree ; “blah, blah, etc….”. That was beautifully articulated.

:)

“….But, we already had Spock do that in TMP once he melded with V’ger and got all filled with lurv as a result….”

I trust you on that ; what I know about it [ "TMP" ] comes from what I’ve read mostly within the context of online discussions I was following. I believe I saw the movie just once, a very long time ago. At a time when I had not discovered The Original Series yet. In other words, I saw a “Star Trek” movie without knowing what it was…And then, forgot about it. (I don’t remember much from that movie.)

“…And,whereas ‘V’ could have explored this with potentially fan-squee-inducing moments, someone with an unimpaired long-term memory upstairs (Ralph Winter?) may have remembered TMP, and decided to go with the ensuing shit-show we all saw in the end.”

Maybe.

Who knows what really happened?

That is one of the reasons why although I enjoyed reading Laurence Luckinbill’s interview, I would have appreciated to hear Mr. Nimoy (on the matter), as well. I said as much a while back (@ 200) :

http://trekmovie.com/2012/05/16/laurence-luckinbill-says-leonard-nimoy-nimoy-wanted-to-play-sybok-in-star-trek-v/

P.S. : On the same thread, there is at least one theory on what might have motivated Mr. Nimoy to play twins (@ 202) . With only one side of the story (Mr. luckinbill’s), we’ll never know for sure…

699. Disinvited - April 15, 2014

# 698. Aurore – April 15, 2014, 695. AJ – April 14, 2014

FWIW as this will likely never be explored in the altUniverse, on DEEP SPACE 9 they further explored the Mirror Universe to the point that I believe communication between them was possible. Given the establish propensity of young Spock to call himself in the altuniverse one has to wonder if that might have been explored with Ambassador Spock in the Prime calling his Mirror “twin.”.

700. Marja - April 15, 2014

Dang, Comments Closed on the main thread [the new team writing Trek3]. It was JUST starting to get interesting again, after the ennnndless discussion of the torpedoes and launching of them.

It was just getting back to more critique of plotting &c. by Phil and Cygnus, two pretty perceptive viewers.

The dark part of me still suspects they made a confusing hash of the plot so the less cynical among us would see the movie multiple times in an effort to make some sense of it. And I did, congratulations Paramount :-P

Ah well. I’ll get more done if I’m not hanging around TrekMovie …. See y’all later.

701. Phil - April 15, 2014

That’s all right. The superficial part of me still thinks that, despite three years of coming here and telling everyone they were working on it and it was about done, that they really cranked it out in a Red Bull fueled session the weekend before shooting started.

And thank you.

702. CmdrR - April 15, 2014

Did Nimoy say he wanted to play twins… or play with twins… or looking at a co-star and saying he wanted to play with the twins?
Just wondering…

703. Marja - April 15, 2014

Phil

Red Bull, cause of death of everything sensible.

CmdrR,

Back in the day, I would’ve enjoyed playing with HIS twins.

704. Cygnus-X1 - April 15, 2014

700. Marja – April 15, 2014

Marja, I was just about to respond to the following post by Curious Cadet. I’ll do it here and see if he checks the chat tab.

1101. Curious Cadet – April 15, 2014

@1098. Cygnus-X1,
“The people who made the movie must be really intelligent and deep!”

Haha! I know Hollywood people and that’s certainly not beyond any of them.

But in the case of STID, I feel like it’s more of a case of too many cooks, or in this instance, too many Gordan Ramseys.

I think it was likely too many cooks also. The lack of a solid theme or point to the movie does strongly suggest a lack of focus and hodge-podge product. I and I think what Marja said may also apply:

The dark part of me still suspects they made a confusing hash of the plot so the less cynical among us would see the movie multiple times in an effort to make some sense of it. And I did, congratulations Paramount :-P

One thing’s for sure: the people who made STID didn’t go too far out of their way in the service of clarity or cohesiveness.

As for Lindelof, isn’t he the one responsible for the much-maligned “Prometheus?” I didn’t see that movie because it didn’t look good in the trailer, but I do remember thinking that it seemed to be lacking a point. Not to let Orci & Kurtzman escape responsibility here, but given the fact that reprising the TWOK death scene was Lindelof’s hard-fought contribution—at least, that’s what we’ve been told—it would seem that STID could have done without his cooking. Not that it would necessarily have been much better with just Orci & Kurtzman and Abrams writing it.

Frankly, I haven’t seen anything written by any of them that I liked more than ST09. And I don’t regard ST09 as well written on the whole. I’ve said this before, but if you examine the plot construction and plot-driven storyline of ST09, as well as all of its other short-comings (bad science, plot holes, ratio of action-to-drama, lack of a solid theme, poorly motivated villain) you see uncanny parallels and analogues to STID. Why exactly STID turned out a worse product than ST09 is an interesting question. For starters, ST09 was largely exposition—introducing the Alt Universe premise and the cast of Alt characters. I believe the newness of it all really went a long way toward carrying ST09 in spite of its flaws. Certainly JJ Abrams style of wall-to-wall action filmmaking was new, lens-flares and all.

705. Aurore - April 16, 2014

@ AJ.

This is for you :

(Link if authorized, here) :

http://www.tor.com/blogs/2011/05/i-need-my-pain-reassessing-star-trek-v-the-final-frontier

…I know ; it is still a…”stinker”…I can’t deny it.

….But, it is MINE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!….

(Yes sir! I am aware of what I’ve just written, your point?…I hear you…However…you need your pain… )

:))

706. Aurore - April 16, 2014

….”Fascinating”.

I found it interesting to read a few nice words on the film…
…Nevertheless, I disagree with so many points made in the article!

:))

Aaaah….. Nevermind.

I linked to this article (@ 705) because I knew it was favourable to the movie…and, I wished to….”share”… that with you, AJ, since you like Star Trek V so much…

707. Marja - April 16, 2014

704 Cygnus, “As for Lindelof, isn’t he the one responsible for the much-maligned “Prometheus?” I didn’t see that movie because it didn’t look good in the trailer, but I do remember thinking that it seemed to be lacking a point. Not to let Orci & Kurtzman escape responsibility here, but given the fact that reprising the TWOK death scene was Lindelof’s hard-fought contribution—at least, that’s what we’ve been told—it would seem that STID could have done without his cooking. Not that it would necessarily have been much better with just Orci & Kurtzman and Abrams writing it.

Frankly, I haven’t seen anything written by any of them that I liked more than ST09.”

Nah, I’m not with the ST09-Was-Better contingent. Firstly because I really disliked the Wronged Vengeful Man Who Wreaks Havoc trope, a really tired trope at that; I liked the more political motivations behind Marcus MUCH better. I liked fear and accumulation of power as his prime motivators.

I can’t help thinking how much better the movie would have been if the main opponent of Marcus had been Captain Garth of Izar. A true Starfleet hero, who had stood for the best of the Federation and defended it against the Klingons. Now seeing what he sees as the destruction of all his ideals, all he stood for, and … the Federation he defended.

I wonder who was the first to say, “Ooh! I know! Let’s make the villain KHAN! Wouldn’t that be cool? And it’d increase ticket sales because even some non-fans have heard of Khan!” As I write that, it sounds kind of like JJ, who gets really enthusiastic about certain things, but it also seems like a Lindelof thing [based on the way people say he screwed the pooch on Prometheus]. As a Rully Big Producer and powerhouse in Hollywood, I think he would have seen the higher monetization potential there. I’m not saying O&K were stooges, just saying it may have been easier for their two bosses to sell this “rully cool idea” … I find when people are not motivated from their hearts to do something, the product is often less than satisfactory. And it’s also a mish-mash when the upper echelons stick their fingers into it.

I think we saw O&K’s “heart motivation” in the plot of Marcus-as-power-hungry-strategic-mover, with the accompanying evils, and some of the cleaning up of the “Kirk got the captaincy too soon” mess from 09, and the dialogue and emotional moments, but they are also Very Successful Hollywood Writers, and thus fall prey to profit motive so they continue greatly reumunerative employment in The Industry. The original scene in Pike’s office better explained why Pike was reassuming command of the Enterprise and taking Jim on as his first officer. As it turned out it was short, choppy and to-the-point of moving the plot forward, clock-like.

708. crazydaystrom - April 16, 2014

694. Harry Ballz
“Some would call that “splitting heirs”, Phil.
(ouch)”

Ahhh Harry! Ouch indeed. Some would call that a painful, stinking pun of a joke. I would call it a gem! Heirs to you, Mr. Ballz! haha

709. Aurore - April 16, 2014

:)

…Oh, man…. :

Was Star Trek Ever Really Intelligent, Grown-Up Science Fiction?

(Link if authorized, here) :

http://io9.com/was-star-trek-ever-really-intelligent-grown-up-science-1563605154

710. Phil - April 16, 2014

@709. Oh, I think that that conversation has been had here a few times as well, particularly when the pious are up in arms over JJ’s latest affront on the sanctity of Trek.

The Star Wars comparisons would be a close second. Trek is science FICTION, damnit! Star Wars is science FANTASY!! Get it right!

711. Harry Ballz - April 16, 2014

@708

Thanks, crazydaystrom! We aim to please.

712. AJ - April 16, 2014

Aurore:

Thanks for the article back in 705.

Read that stuff before, and it’s all true. Indeed, we fans often dissect Star Trek episodes into their component parts in order to process the bad ones and make them more palatable. “Spock’s Brain” sure has it’s hilarious moments, but plodding through all 51 minutes to see them is quite the waste of one’s limited time on Earth.

STV can also have the opening stripped out, and Sybok ignored, and once the rot is peeled back, you find someone was paying attention after all. Some parts are more palatable simply as stand-alone set pieces. Though, even those scenes in ‘V’ are sometimes so corny, you want to vomit.

Sometimes you just can’t do it: Imagine taking “Phantom Menace” and stripping out all the bad bits. That leaves you with a couple of seconds of Darth Maul sneering, but even his death is a throw-away. Who really gave a crap about him in the first place?

713. Aurore - April 17, 2014

@ 712. AJ – April 16, 2014

“…Read that stuff before, and it’s all true. Indeed, we fans often dissect Star Trek episodes into their component parts in order to process the bad ones and make them more palatable.’Spock’s Brain’ sure has it’s hilarious moments, but plodding through all 51 minutes to see them is quite the waste of one’s limited time on Earth….”

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I like an episode or I don’t.

Dissecting “bad” Star Trek episodes has never been for me…I enjoy reading some of the “dissections” available online thanks to a few fellow fans, though.

“…STV can also have the opening stripped out, and Sybok ignored, and once the rot is peeled back, you find someone was paying attention after all…”

I disagreed with the reasons given to ignore Sybok, in that stuff you had read before. From my perspective, Laurence Luckinbill’s character was not totally unlikable, which is important for me. I like a good villain. I like hating them, in some cases (when they are really good), I may even …”root” for them (I’m looking at you, Harry Lime).

Thus, I would not say Sean Connery ( an actor whom I love) would have been preferable in the role ; he would probably have played the role differently. Yes….

….And, the “Long-Lost Relative” plot twist, which was my real “issue” with the character, would have remained….

“…Some parts are more palatable simply as stand-alone set pieces. Though, even those scenes in ‘V’ are sometimes so corny, you want to vomit….”

Oh, puh-lease…

You know you loved that fan dance.

“…Sometimes you just can’t do it: Imagine taking ‘Phantom Menace’ and stripping out all the bad bits. That leaves you with a couple of seconds of Darth Maul sneering, but even his death is a throw-away. Who really gave a crap about him in the first place?”

I did not give a crap about Phantom Menace in the first place.

I can tell you that.

714. Cygnus-X1 - April 17, 2014

707. Marja – April 16, 2014

I wonder who was the first to say, “Ooh! I know! Let’s make the villain KHAN! Wouldn’t that be cool? And it’d increase ticket sales because even some non-fans have heard of Khan!”

I remember when Khan-as-villain was announced. Actually, it was leaked allegedly by someone on the set, and subsequent casting efforts which focused on Hispanic actors seemed to support the claim. But before the casting efforts involving Benicio del Toro and so forth, I didn’t believe the rumor was true at all. It seemed a really bad idea.

The second time I saw STID in the theater, I went with a friend who’d seen some or all of the TOS movies, but is pretty mainstream audience. His first remark as we were walking out of the theater was that he recognized and appreciated the tie-in with TWOK. So, there you have it.

715. Harry Ballz - April 17, 2014

Star Trek Into Darkness was a piece of dogsh*t.

The storyline was completely f*cked up and pointless.

Any amateur writer could have penned a better story than that turd.

People shouldn’t refer to this movie as science fiction, but rather it should be in the disaster movie category.

The reason?

THE MOVIE WAS A TOTAL F*CKING DISASTER!!!!!!!!

716. crazydaystrom - April 18, 2014

Transcendence seems to be getting bad reviews universally. Crap! Had such high hopes for this one.

crestfallendaystrom :-(

717. crazydaystrom - April 18, 2014

Transcendence seems to be getting bad reviews universally. Crap! Had such high hopes for this one.

crestfallendaystrom :-(

718. crazydaystrom - April 18, 2014

So sad I had to say it twice :-(

:-)

719. Silvereyes - April 18, 2014

#715 Harry

The thing with you Harry, is that we never really know how you feel about stuff. You’re always so vague…

I agree 100 effing percent! No originality. Huge starship against poor little Enterprise, again. No other ship to help, like Starfleet has 3 ships and they’re always somewhere else, idiot revenge plot, again. Sprinkling of Trekkie-friendly stuff like tribbles, Harry Mudd, the Khaaaaan! yell… Using Khan only because it was the main character of the most successful and popular ST movie, so use it again because the writers have no idea what to make this movie about. Blow up Vulcan while you’re at it, make things exciting! Oh yeah, kill off one of the best characters too…

Let’s face it. A writer is someone who actually has tallent with words and has the creativity to develop a great story and the ability to tell it well. A screenwriter (aka the Star Trek writers) just take an existing story and adapt it to the screen. There is no comparison as far as talent and creativity. It’s like asking a carpenter to play the piano. Just because he can do wonders with wood doesn’t mean he has the talent to play.

I’m looking forward to ST 4. Hopefully it will be a reboot of this reboot and they’ll do it right this time.

720. Harry Ballz - April 18, 2014

@719 Silvereyes “I’m looking forward to ST 4″

Ah, Silvereyes, my old friend. You ARE the eternal optimist.

Me? I’m such a cynic, when I think about ST 4, I’d hang myself, but I figure the rope would break!

721. crazydaystrom - April 18, 2014

719. Silvereyes

Yeah Silvereyes, we have no reason to believe that the kind of creativity that made Star Trek so special to us will be seen anytime soon. At least not on the big screen. It’s all about ‘tentpole’ and ‘blockbuster’ anymore. That’s just the way it is, I’m afraid.

As to ST4 or whichever Trek film will be the handoff from Bad Robot to the ‘next guys’, as long as Trek movies are making more money than they ever have before I don’t see the current Star Trek paradigm changing. It’s all about the $$$$$. Or at least primarily about $. And I understand. I don’t like it. But I understand. The stars would have to align just right for us to get the Star Trek films that the fans of our ilk want so much.

I wish more chances would be taken with Star Trek. And I’m STILL not sure exactly why this doesn’t happen. I know it’s been discussed here more than a little bit but has Paramount ever lost money on a Trek film, all things considered? And even IF that has happened I know when all things are considered the Star Trek franchise has made an awful lot of money for the studios. So that would say Star Trek is a good and solid investment. Why not a lower budgeted Trek tv show with extreme emphasis on story as opposed to eye candy? Lower budget = less risk, so why not? Star Trek is a proven winner and money maker for Paramount and CBS and I don’t want to go to my grave (or rather, urn) with onscreen Trek’s science fiction storytelling potential yet fully unrealized.

*sigh*

There are always possibilities. Perhaps in 2016 I’ll find myself smiling and saying “Now that’s more like it!”

722. AJ - April 18, 2014

719/Silveryes:

“ST4″ would be the one after the next one.

Are you saying you’re going to give the coming 50th Anniversary time-travel-to-the-21st-Century rehash a miss?

Will we let our hopes be built up this time only to be dashed upon the rocks again?

Anyone heard about the sh*storm flying around Bryan Singer these days? Looks like X-Men: DoFP will have a taint on it when it comes out in a few weeks.

723. crazydaystrom - April 18, 2014

722. AJ
“Anyone heard about the sh*storm flying around Bryan Singer these days? Looks like X-Men: DoFP will have a taint on it when it comes out in a few weeks”

Yeah. Damned shame that whole situation, in every way. smh. Damned shame.

724. Silvereyes - April 18, 2014

720 Harry

“Me? I’m such a cynic, when I think about ST 4, I’d hang myself, but I figure the rope would break!”

Harry, I did neglect to mention that in saying that I hope ST4 would be another reboot, I assumed the entire current creative crew would be replaced, hence my “slight” optimism for ST4.

721 crazydaystrom

“The stars would have to align just right for us to get the Star Trek films that the fans of our ilk want so much.”

Agreed, however I don’t think the money making type mentality and the desire for a more… emotionally substantial Star Trek are mutually exclusive. Let’s have both! I’ve long ago given up on having the ST I really want, because that would be along the lines of TMP and that ain’t gonna happen!

722 AJ

“Are you saying you’re going to give the coming 50th Anniversary time-travel-to-the-21st-Century rehash a miss?”

No, I’m saying I have zero expectations for this movie, so I can’t possibly be disappointed… again.

725. Phil - April 18, 2014

@722. Yeah, and at least in Southern California, it seems to be getting shrugged off as a ‘orgies in Hollywood, tell me something I don’t know’ story.

Seems the casting couch is alive and well…..

726. Phil - April 18, 2014

Unless ST3 completely flames out, its a safe bet that Paramount will order up ST4. If the first look agreement is still in play, that means more of Bad Robot…

727. AJ - April 18, 2014

726/Phil:

I can only imagine Paramount being disappointed that JJ Abrams has not turned “Trek” into a super-franchise. “Captain America” is up to $510m dollars after just a few weeks, and STID only hit $476 at the tail-end of its run. Of course, there is no ‘Avengers bump” for Star Trek, but it’s just not doing stellar numbers.

One reason, of course, is the complete lack of support both on the parts of CBS (nothing for the fans/kids between films) and Paramount Pictures. They treat the films as one-off events, and no one gives a shit as a result. As with STID,most of the marketing cash is spent completely introducing ‘Star Trek’ as something new, because the last film has been forgotten.

I’m just waiting to see how badly Bad Robot mangles Star Wars. If it’s a load of plotholes and randomly patched together scenes, it will make a billion just from the fans, but I can’t imagine it’ll be any good.

728. Cygnus-X1 - April 18, 2014

721. crazydaystrom – April 18, 2014

719. Silvereyes

Yeah Silvereyes, we have no reason to believe that the kind of creativity that made Star Trek so special to us will be seen anytime soon. At least not on the big screen. It’s all about ‘tentpole’ and ‘blockbuster’ anymore. That’s just the way it is, I’m afraid.

As to ST4 or whichever Trek film will be the handoff from Bad Robot to the ‘next guys’, as long as Trek movies are making more money than they ever have before I don’t see the current Star Trek paradigm changing. It’s all about the $$$$$. Or at least primarily about $.

The funny thing is—and by funny I mean peculiar—that most of the TOS and ST: First Contact were significantly better investments in terms of ROI than either of the BR Trek movies. Those earlier movies returned a smaller dollar amount in profit to Paramount, but they also tied up FAR less money, resulting in ROI’s (returns on investment) that were 2X-3X higher than the BR Trek movies.

To put it another way, with the old Trek movie business model, Paramount could make 2 or 3 movies for the same cash outlay that they have to tie up today in just one BR Trek movie, and that’s fewer eggs in one basket. Spielberg and Lucas wrote an article last year direly warning Hollywood that its current obsession of making a smaller number of total movies, and a larger portion of the total movies being high-budget action movies, was going to lead to “the implosion of the Hollywood film industry.” A few high-budget flops and no other genres to make up the losses, and the big studios are going to find themselves starting to look elsewhere to invest what money they have left…or something to that effect.

So, it’s not even necessarily an issue of too much focus on $profit$, but from the diagnosis of Drs. Lucas and Spielberg it would seem to be too much focus on high-budget action movies, i.e. an insufficiently diversified investment portfolio.

I hear tell quite a bit that the myopia of Hollywood in the 21st Century is attributable to more accountants and lawyers making content-related decisions, including greenlighting movies, as opposed to those decisions being made by people who are more movie aficionados that would balance the love of movies with the profit motive.

In any case, I think that a big-budget Trek action movie could be much better than what Bad Robot have been doing. For starters, there is MUCH room for improvement in the writing. But, more generally, the stories could actually have compelling sci-fi premises underneath the inevitable shoot-em-up, run-around-everywhere action pacing. That would still be inferior to a thoughtful science fiction movie in the spirit of GR and the 45 years of Trek leading up to Bad Robot taking over, but it would at least be a marriage of Trek tradition with the current movie trend.

Will we get a more thoughtful Trek 4 if and when a new production company takes over? I sure hope so. The thing that annoys me most about Bad Robot is how flagrantly anti-Trekkie they have been in their approach to both of their Trek movies. Not only have both movies obviously been lacking in the spirit and feel of Star Trek—an observation made by Trek veterans as well as by fans—but JJ Abrams has blatantly stated on numerous occasions that, not only did he not like or “get” Star Trek before he took it over, but that his Star Trek movies are not being made for Trekkies or long-time fans. JJ’s attitude has been basically—well, of course I’d like them to come see my movies, but I’m not making the movies with them in mind.

It’s like he’s been daring us not to come see his Trek movies, because that’s how confident he is that we simply have no where else to go. He’s the only Trek in town, so we’ll take whatever he feels like dishing out and we’ll beg him for more. JJ Abrams and his whole attitude really rub me the wrong way.

729. Spockchick - April 19, 2014

@728 Cygnus x-1

Cygnus, I couldn’t agree more. When you think of the classic studio system, it made what would almost be classed as indie movies now (but with big stars). Look at the films that are still giving people such pleasure now, and it is all down to razor-sharp scripting, a skill that is now well and truly drowned in Hollywood’s mire of mediocrity.

The Philadelphia Story – 74 years old
Bringing up Baby – 76 years old
The man who shot Liberty Valance – 52 years old
White Heat – 65 years old
Love me or leave me – 59 years old

I could go on, and on, but the point is these are movies that people LOVE, and they were are made before the lazy use of CGI crapped all over creativity in film-making. I am not against CGI at all, but the analogy I like to use is; before refrigeration humans were creative with food, making wonderful pickles, smoked foods, cured salamis. Now we have technology to preserve food, we only invent bland, mass-produced pap like Velveeta cheese and pop-tarts.

I saw an interview with Jude Law last week, he has been working on a low-budget movie and the interviewer asked how it compared to a big-budget set. His answer was very revealing, he said that he was amazed at the creativity of the staff, that stretched finances made every member of the crew incredibly creative and that it was amazing. We are now in a world of film-making where having a creative film crew is ‘amazing’. How sad is that in a supposedly creative industry?

If I could go 76 years into the future I will bet there will be a slew of Michael-Bay (Baysian?) GCI behemoths made round about now that NOBODY has heard of. But I’ll bet my bottom dollar that folks will still be watching, and laughing at ‘Bringing up Baby’.

SC x

730. CmdrR - April 19, 2014

“I’m just waiting to see how badly Bad Robot mangles Star Wars. If it’s a load of plotholes and randomly patched together scenes, it will make a billion just from the fans, but I can’t imagine it’ll be any good.”

AJ, are you daft? What in the world do you mean “if”?

Clearly this IS how summer/tentpole/blockbuster movies are made now. They are highly visual action set-pieces strung together with a paper-thin plot. And while there are super-bombs that wipe out careers — John Carter, anyone? — how ironic to realize that Hollywood’s dreamweaving extends to the boardroom, where the suits have a lottery mentality about billion-dollar franchises. Would it be nice to see many different kinds of movies? Um. Wake-up.

731. CmdrR - April 19, 2014

btw — I’m glad CAWS is doing so well. It’s a well-crafted movie, plotholes not withstanding. My biggest complaint is Scarlett’s character — or lack thereof. I hate to speak ill of the actress since she so obviously wants me… but, her onscreen chemistry with Chris Evans has a worse stank than her leatherette pants at the end of a hard work week.

732. Marja - April 19, 2014

730 CmdrR, Funny, I thought Johanssen and Chris Evans were great together as partners assigned together for the first time. Remember, if Cap isn’t still a virgin, he’s pretty close. I think he’s feeling some loyalty to his 70-years-in-the-past relationship with Peggy, the British lady in the secret WWII program to make the 90-pound weakling into Captain America. They had a budding romance, and he hasn’t got over her, even though she’s now in the last stages of a long, long life.
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At the risk of offending those who have great reverence for Star Wars, wasn’t it one of the big action movies of its era? It opened poorly but was the sleeper hit of 1977-78, people saw it more than twice, and it was the leading edge of the “bang-bang shoot ‘em up” brand of Sci-Fi/Fantasy. It had the story of The Hero’s Journey as a subtext [and so does new Trek tho' not as elegantly], but that point was lost to me until Joseph Campbell pointed it out in his talks with Bill Moyers. Until then I saw “Wars” as action-y and a little silly. UNlike Trek, the thoughtful, provocatively philosophical– excuse me, I just spit coffee all over my computer

733. Disinvited - April 19, 2014

#724. Silvereyes – April 18, 2014

“Agreed, however I don’t think the money making type mentality and the desire for a more… emotionally substantial Star Trek are mutually exclusive.” – Silvereyes

And while we are at it, let’s acknowledge that mastery of carpentry neither in and of itself precludes mastery of the piano nor vice versa.

I mean, sheesh, I can see the audition now:

“Mr. Ford, you’ll be reading for the role of Han Solo. Wait a minute! It says here on your resume that you possess carpentry skills. Get out of here! Ya bum!”

Brought to you by a carpenter’s son, whose father could play a mean sax, who would also like to remind you that a large percentage of the world is preparing to celebrate another famous person who also had carpentry skills this Easter Sunday. ;-)

734. CmdrR - April 19, 2014

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/66996

Something that’s NOT Hollywoodenheaded.

735. AJ - April 19, 2014

731/Marja:

There were lines doubled around the block in NYC when I caught ‘Star Wars’ back in the Spring of 1977. It was not a slow starter or a sleeper by any means. It did the typical one year+ in theaters, which was common then for hit films.

What ‘Star Wars’ was was an indie film, and a major risk for everyone involved, including George Lucas, whose deal on the merch side was probably considered wishful thinking at that point. “Risk” is just SO 1977.

Going back to the horrid SW prequels, they really set the precedent for films like Transformers 1-3 and IJ4, by showing that there is money to be made from absolute bottom-of-the-barrel Franchise-based screenplays as long as they are tarted up with SFX. Transformers 2 pulled in over a billion on some half-completed awful script written during the last strike, and Indiana Jones IV did the same with a dreadful story, and embarrassing turns by almost all involved on both sides of the camera.

If shit = an easy billion with a popular property, then half a billion or less must be the property’s fault, so dumb it down and do anything to hit the highest possible number, and do what it takes to be shown in China. The fans can stuff it, because they will come anyway, and then buy all versions of the Blu-Ray we can release.

736. Spockchick - April 19, 2014

my comment on film got deleted :-(

737. Marja - April 19, 2014

Cygnus, This talk of profit driving plot and movie structure has been around Hollywood for about five years, longer than before the dire warning issued by Spielberg and Lucas [ironically two moviemakers who have made huge money with big action movies, albeit better models of the now-prevalent genre].

It would be really great if Trek, once a leader in entertainment media calling general attention to social justice, could set right this movie-making trend [I'm not holding my breath].

Imagine a beautifully written, plotted science fiction movie with the requisite [though not over-the-top] action. Not saying we can expect “Gravity” [which for all its plaudits had its faults]. But a better-quality film would be warmly welcomed by this group here, and grown-up Trek fans everywhere. Problem is we are a small, mewing minority compared with the legions of young, testosterone-laden teens who love summer tentpole [hee-hee!] movies.

Hope springs eternal in this Trekfan’s heart, and I wish that Payne and McKay are reading the Cushman books about the Trek TV series. I hope Bob Orci feels freer to let his Fan Flag fly. I hope they will find a way to put some of that heart and mind into the “plot by beats in each scene, minute by minute”/”Save the Cat!” model now endemic in Hollywood.

————————————–Trek 4?——————————————
I’m not sure where this “new production company with Trek4″ idea is coming from. It seems to me very wishful thinking. I imagine Bad Robot will continue with Trek as long as it is an attractive property for them. Also, Paramount’s not going to change a good money-makin’ production company for another.

All this stuff about “JJ hates Trek” … well, I’m not going to argue that metaphorically, he didn’t slap some people in the face, because of their loyalty all these four + decades, but really, we need to realize that movies are made for profit, including the vaunted WOK [whose faults I will not revisit here].

At the beginning of his tenure JJ said “I never ‘got’ Star Trek. I was into Star Wars …” and made a legion of enemies of older Trekfans. Yes, he was pandering some to people who didn’t like Trek b/c they felt it was “too stodgy” or “too talky” or cast with “a bunch of old people.” The younger generation [even some GenX] didn’t think Trek was for them, only for “dedicated” fans [read, nutsos who dress up in pointed ears and go to conventions and speak Klingon -- the kind of stereotype usually used in media to describe Trekfans]. But JJ also said, “I was a young kid, and didn’t get the more intellectual aspects of Trek.” I don’t know if this was an amendment to his “didn’t get Trek” statement, but I heard it.

———————————-Pushing the Limit————————————-

I recently watched a few episodes of “Sleepy Hollow.” on the outside — not knowing what was in store — I loved the concept. But every episode, it seemed, needed to “top” the last in horror and dread. And because of that, it began to bore me.

What is wrong with writing well-plotted suspense that does not involve horror, torture and dismemberment? Why is television stretching, breaking and exceeding the bounds of … I don’t know, I hate to say “decency” b/c that brings shades of the McCarthy era, but what I mean is a basic respect for human life?

The excess violence and horrid imagery of “American Horror Story,” which, though it featured one of my favorite actors, was so far over the top — even in the previews — I avoided it. This seems, too, to be the New Place for Good Actors like Kathy Bates, Angela Bassett, Jessica Lange and others. Now there is a crop of shows, including “Dusk to Dawn” and “Salem,” in which degradation of fellow humans seems to be key to attracting audience. I suppose it stimulates the reptilian brain, or something.

I suppose we can look back to “X-Files” and “Heroes” and the crime shows [which latter usually seem to involve the torture, mutilation and murder of young females or children], as harbingers of this regrettable trend, and since I’m not the target audience of today’s horror, and disgusted by it anyway, I have resorted to watching re-runs of favorite shows from the past.

I confess, I like a good murder mystery, but that’s a *mystery,* with the idea of our heroine or anti-hero exploring the relation of the victim to the people around him or her, their relationships, the interactions, psychological and personal, that led some ordinary-seeming person, to do the victim in.
There are some very talented authors out there, so why not buck the trend and pick up a book.

Or watch re-runs of Mad Men. Or Star Trek! :-)

738. Aurore - April 19, 2014

@ 727.

“…I’m just waiting to see how badly Bad Robot mangles Star Wars. If it’s a load of plotholes and randomly patched together scenes, it will make a billion just from the fans, but I can’t imagine it’ll be any good.”

__________

“… ‘We can’t afford to spend the same kind of money marketing movies internationally that we spend here, so we need pre-awareness: titles and characters that are already known,’ Obst told New York. ‘International audiences love action, wild and exciting special effects that can only be created by our technology. No nuance. Not so good for so-called writing.

And China won’t look at anything that isn’t 3-D, which means everything is made that way – even with domestic audiences rejecting it…'”

(Link if authorized here) :

http://www.vulture.com/2013/06/george-lucas-steven-spielberg-on-hollywood-blockbusters.html

…If it’s a load of plotholes and randomly patched together scenes, it might make a billion just from the fans…But, let us remember… the “international audiences”, as well!

[I noticed that, in her statement, Lynda Obst resorted to the word “China” (as opposed to “international audiences”) when she chose to. Therefore, by “international audiences” I assumed she meant the rest of the world, including Europe, and, probably China as well, of course.]

Exciting, wild special effects, action. But also, plotholes and randomly patched together scenes.(?)

These may be the key ingredients needed for the upcoming Star Wars movie.

…And, international audiences will take care of the rest (its box office success).

(Maybe.)

:)

739. Aurore - April 19, 2014

@ 727.

Here is an interview with producer Lynda Obst.

(Starts at 8:37.)

In it, you’ll hear, amongst other things, about “the ability to market sequels”, etc.

Lynda Obst also explains why… “the pitch lives in television”.

She talks about “the great impact of international” ( China, Russia, The Far East, South America ), as well :

Link if authorized, here :

http://castroller.com/podcasts/KcrwsTheBusiness/3623060

740. Aurore - April 19, 2014

@ 727.

Here is an interview with producer Lynda Obst.

(Starts at 8:37.)

Link if authorized, here :

http://castroller.com/podcasts/KcrwsTheBusiness/3623060

741. Disinvited - April 19, 2014

#735. AJ – April 19, 2014

This stretches the edges of what’s left of my good memory such that I open to being proved mistaken:

You write that as if FOX had total trust that SW would be a hit and didn’t bother with test screenings or what was a very common marketing tool at the time: Sneak Previews. At least, in my area.

My first inkling that there was this something called STAR WARS was around the Christmas just prior to its premier the following year. It was the first big media promotional interview that either Mark Hamil or Harrison Ford had ever done so they went to a bar near the radio station and drank up some courage – too much courage. What ensued on HOUR 25 was one of the funniest drunken interviews that I have ever heard while cringing for the poor hosts of a Friday night 3 hour science-fiction radio show on my local station KPFK 90.7 fm. Bjo Trimble had a newsletter whose mailing list included a mailing circuit of fans who taped the show on audio cassettes and mailed it to fans in areas outside its coverage. I believe it was a mutual exchange of materials. Anyway, I’d be very much surprised if this one was not still making the rounds of various repositories such as YouTube.

I seem to clearly recall that the first version of SW I ever saw had a very different opening than what was shown during the mile long expositions. And this was quite common, i.e. film is altered, with sneak peak showings that I made an effort to catch in that era. I recall no long lines. I do clearly recall prior to seeing SW that I had high hopes based on Lucas’ THX1138 and had set upon a strategy that if it was decent that I personally would vocally hawk it to any who would hear me as I was sure Paramount would greenlight a Trek film if it did well. It was and I so did. In fact, I recall convincing one of my brothers of how great a movie it was and we went on the very first show of premier day with no long line. However, when we got out, it was long line pandemonium. I remember very vocally encouraging people in the lines who were getting discouraged and wondering if it was worth it. My sense was these West coast lines had grown from East Coast relatives and friends calling and spreading the word. We tried to get tickets to take friends and relatives that evening but it had grown to mile long lines so we decided to try later that weekend when things became more sane.

Anyway, I feel very confident that, while long lines had started, there were no mile long lines for the first showings of SW that I saw on the day of the premier on the West coast. That came later in the day, after the spread of word of mouth had time to disseminate.

742. AJ - April 19, 2014

Disinvited:

I first heard about SW from friends at school (I was in 7th grade) and on the local news once the ‘phenomenon’ created lines snaking twice around blocks where the main NYC cinemas were showing it. I was well in the dark before the “phenomenon” was one.

As a ‘corporate hack’ who works ‘in international’ as they say, “China” is just another word for ‘developing markets’ which is a phrase meaning ‘growth,’ which indicates a hockey-stick shaped sales curve (one company I worked for used that term for Russia). If they want 3-D, give it to them, if it’s blinding action and known quantities, we’ll happily produce it in return for an increasing share of their increasing disposable incomes.

Going back to STID, Ben Cumberbatch automatically gives his film overseas “cred,” and the ad campaigns featuring him (in black, looking very much like Sherlock Holmes) show no references to Trek whatsoever. While he would do a good job reciting the ingredients off a cereal box, he couldn’t save his character from being an awful corporate mish-mash of haplessly strung-together plot-points. But he IS big in Europe and Japan. Hence, the chatter about his potential return for the next one. While that would dishonor the franchise as we all once knew it, maybe it would keep the name alive. Depressing.

743. Spockchick - April 20, 2014

@742 AJ

“Hence, the chatter about his potential return for the next one. While that would dishonor the franchise as we all once knew it, maybe it would keep the name alive. Depressing.”

That is exceedingly depressing indeed. It is now Trek only in the sense of the characters having the same name.

Mr Spockchick was also in seventh grade when Star Wars came out, but there was a big gap, of course between the US and UK release, by which time the build-up was astronomical, and he said it was MAHOOSIVE over here. He remembers being mega excited and blown away at the cinema because there had been nothing like it before. It was (to him at 12) a true wonder.

@ Aurore

Thanks for those interview links, they were really interesting. No wonder creative types want to work in TV now, it seems like the (Hollywood) film industry is pretty dispiriting.

744. AJ - April 20, 2014

Happy Easter!
Happy 4/20!
Happy George Takei’s 77th Birthday!

If you don’t celebrate the first and/or the second, I think we can all agree on the third, for sure.

745. CmdrR - April 20, 2014

http://www.treksinscifi.com/trekdaily/

A nice Easter Day post here…

746. Disinvited - April 20, 2014

#742. AJ – April 19, 2014

With everyone, tossing around Sherlock and me stretching my memory, I was able to piece together an even earlier memory connecting the 2.

The first ST Con I ever attended was Equicon ’76:

http://fanlore.org/wiki/Equicon#1976

The memories are flooding back, Tracy the Gorilla running the Horta Egg Hunt, Nimoy’s unannounced appearance which I got in on because for some reason Bjo Trimble seem to take a personal interest in making sure I was having a good time and enjoying the opportunities to explore my SF interests, attending a live broadcast of HOUR 25, hanging with this blonde haired dude who was into comics and seemed to me historical fantasy as he sported what I took for a Paige boy’s haircut and an outfit suggestive of a page (more on him later).

I attended The Nimoy event as describe by Bjp herself in this STARLOG:

http://archive.org/stream/starlog_magazine-042/042_djvu.txt

“For those who stayed to enjoy the partici-
pation, Equicons were lively enough. There
was the time, for instance, when we had go-
fers circulate around the con to tell fans “Be
in the main meeting hall in 20 minutes for a
Big Surprise.” When the room was full, we
closed the doors and introduced Leonard
Nimoy, who was in town to do Sherlock
Holmes and had been prevailed upon to ap-
pear once at Equicon ’76, by Dorothy Fon-
tana. The involvement here required alertness
by attendees; we didn’t have the room in that
meeting hall to make a general announce-
ment of the visit, so the word was circulated
casually and only the actively aware fans got
in the room. ” – Bjo Trimble

So now you have the Sherlock connection. The blonde guy I said I’d get back to?

Well, I clearly recall when i first saw STAR WARS (the one with the different opening), the opening was a distant shot of what I took for a sunset (but it could just as well have been sunrise.) and the camera zooms leisurely in on this young boyish figure looking through binoculars to the horizon camera right. The camera closes in on him and then goes through his binoculars to let the audience see what the young man is looking so intently at. After the binocular mask falls it is what is now SW’s famous Star Destroyer looming opening shot.

Now let me back up, as the camera resolved the figure with the binocs clearly I nearly disturbed the movie for everyone else in attendance as I could barely keep myself from rising to my feet to exclaim “That’s the costume the guy wore at Equicon! And that’s the hair!” I still couldn’t wrap my head around the concept that a film star would actually attend a Con as one of the common fans so for a while I figured he was an extra or a stunt double. Until, I read an article where Mark revealed that he was a fan who regularly attended these things and his love of comics.

Can I prove it? Probably not, but I do recall the man knew comics and and he was real interested in my opinions, We even had a comic reading session (just the 2 of us) like something out of THE BIG BANG THEORY.

747. Disinvited - April 20, 2014

#746. Disinvited – April 20, 2014

Hmm…flipping through the old STARLOGS about a year later, August 1977:

“Mark Hamill, who plays Luke Skywalker in the
film, said, among other things: “I was really lucky to get
this part. I’ve been a science-fiction fan for years. I used to
read Famous Monsters; I’ve attended several cons just as a
fan!” Indeed, Mark was first spotted at the convention as
he was making the rounds of the dealers’ tables.” –
L.A. CON DRAWS BIG NAMES, YIELDS BIG NEWS

from:

http://file770.com/?p=10300

David K. M. Klaus on October 5, 2012 at 1:18 pm said:

“I remember Mr. Hamill saying in an interview that he went to the Equicons in the early ’70s like any other fan; Bjo Trimble once told me she checked her registration records, and sure enough, there he was listed.”

Well, maybe I can prove it.

748. Disinvited - April 20, 2014

#747. Disinvited – April 20, 2014

What a goof I am from the next paragraph of first STARLOG I quoted:

”When I was attending “Big Mac” (Mid-
AmeriCon: the World Science Fiction Con-
vention, Kansas City, 1976), a brand new
movie, Star Wars, was going to be introduced
to fandom, so Lucasfilm put up a beautiful
display. Mark Hamill was present, to be in-
troduced as the (then) unknown young star of
the film, so I took my courage in hand and
asked if he’d like to be a guest at Equicon ’77.
To my surprise, he said, “Gosh, you mean I
could come as a guest this time? I’ve been to
all the Equicons! I love science fiction!”
Later, when we got home, we checked the
previous Equicon registration cards, and sure
enough, there was Mark Hamill! (The invita-
tion was, unfortunately, for the Equicon
which never happened.)” – Bjo Trimble

That cinches it. It WAS him.

749. Cygnus-X1 - April 20, 2014

738. Aurore – April 19, 2014
739. Aurore – April 19, 2014

Thanks for the links.

It’s a somewhat depressing analysis, but also enlightening and interesting that the movie biz is suffering from the same disease (for lack of a better term) as the music biz: advanced technology in the hands of consumers allows them to open up the bottle and let out the genie.

I remain convinced that both the movie and music industries will eventually stabilize with new, adaptive business models. The lamentation that plummeting DVD sales is the primary ailment of the movie business strikes me as curious for the following reason:

There used to be no such thing as video rental or sale.

Prior to the late 70s/early 80s, video rentals and sales were not part of the business model at all, and yet the late 60s and early 70s saw the zenith of creativity and innovation (in artistic terms) in movies. The foreign market was still just 20% of the pie, so there was no need for “sequelitis.”

Something’s missing from the equation. If Hollywood was able to do it back then, why can’t they do it now with the same business model?

750. Disinvited - April 20, 2014

#744 by AJ Sunday, April 20, 2014 7:53 AM, 745 CmdrR Sunday, April 20, 2014 9:07 AM

Happy Horta Egg Hunt Day to you too. May your gorilla be generous.

751. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - April 21, 2014

Happy Easter to all.
Or. Happy something to all.

752. Aurore - April 21, 2014

Happy Easter, everyone!

…Yeah, you too… Lynda Obst (if you celebrate) ; I (still) disagree with some of the points you made in the interviews I linked to of course, but, how could I hold a grudge against the woman who had something to do with…. Flashdance ?!

:))

…The soundtrack of this movie was not bad at all…The movie itself was not perfect. However, I remember enjoying it…

753. NuFan - April 21, 2014

Have you guys heard of Asamov Lives? At the Wondercon panel they were talking about his phenomenal devotion to sockpuppeting the internet for the prime universe.

They said he is on the Star Trek sites too. Who is he here? Was it MJ? Except MJ never stuck to the same opinion. He would always change it for the sake of arguing with someone. Maybe it’s Joseph Dickerson.

A lot of trekkies are not right in the head.

754. Disinvited - April 21, 2014

#752. Aurore – April 21, 2014

What a feeling…

#753. NuFan – April 21, 2014

One bad apple don’t spoil the whole bunch….

755. crazydaystrom - April 21, 2014

753. NuFan
“A lot of trekkies are not right in the head.”

LOL! I confess I’m a tad wackadoodle. But I’d like to think it’s in a good way, haha. Call me crazy…

756. crazydaystrom - April 21, 2014

And btw, no that was not an admission to being Asamov (sp?) Lives. Crazy though I may be, I’ve never sockpuppetted, here or anywhere. I find the concept very sad and a little bizarre.

Though I will say I do use different name on different sites and I’m going to list them here, for the hell of it. On various sites I am or have been –

That Metal Beastie
TM Beastie
zotarM
slopthrop
MiracleMe
ISeemToBeAVerb

-and I think that’s about it. If there’re others, I don’t remember them.

:-)

LLAP

757. crazydaystrom - April 21, 2014

@Disinvited

I miss Starlog. Great sci fi mag.

758. Disinvited - April 21, 2014

#753. NuFan – April 21, 2014

Maybe this will give you a perspective on the historic fandom divide, from April of 1976:

http://fanlore.org/wiki/A_Piece_of_the_Action/Issues_31-40#Issue_37

Trekkers vs Trekkie, by Terry Whittier: “”What many people outside of STAR TREK fandom don’t seem to realize is that there are two rather distinctly different types of Star Trek fans: Trekkers and Trekkies. And Star Trek fandom tends to suffer because of this misunderstanding. There are two different outlooks that separate the Trekker and the Trekkie: The Trekker is the serious, dedicated, and hardworking fan who is seriously into ST fandom trying to get something constructive done while still meeting people and making friends. But Trekkies are. inconsiderate, disruptive kids who are simply along for the ride. The Trekker sees Star Trek as the only recent television show that treated science fiction in an adult, painstakingly authentic, highly entertaining manner by craftsmen who (because of their dedication and skill) make the future come alive. Trekkers give freely of their time, energy, and resources to get things done. They tend to be the organizers, the volunteers, the hard and consistent workers, the editors and officers. They run the service organizations like the Star Trek Welcommittee. Prime examples of Trekkers: John and Bjo Trimble, David Gerrold, Allyson Whitfield. Trekkies on the other hand, see Star Trek as just another exciting TV show. And the fandom associated with it simply another “in-group” they can try to join. They can always be seen, running all over, zapping everyone with their toy phasers, dressed in their spockears and uniforms. They are consumers of anything that says Star Trek or has a picture of Spock on it. Their only aim is to have fun. Trekkies are. forever quoting their favorite character, but are very apathetic when it comes to working on club activities and volunteer projects. Trekkers are responsible for most of the good things that have been done in Star Trek fandom. Trekkies, unfortunately, are responsible for the bad impression the general public has of Star Trek fans.”

759. CmdrR - April 21, 2014

758 – I think you’re rediscovered one of the many basic divides in human nature. You could as easily have said there are those who bottle and appreciate fine wine… and there are drunks. Or, some people know the rules of the road and then there’s every other driver but me. I’ve always used the word “Trekkie” because is sounds better to my ear. Nichelle Nichols corrected me once, but I soon found that there are many, many Trekites who use the terms interchangeably.

Anyway… so it goes.

760. Cygnus-X1 - April 21, 2014

758. Disinvited – April 21, 2014
759. CmdrR – April 21, 2014

Same here.

It had never occurred to me that the difference in the two terms was indicative of anything more than a preference in sound.

I self-describe as a Trekkie because it sounds better to my ears.

“Trekker” sounds too self-serious.

I suppose that I prefer a more whimsical sounding nom de guerre precisely because I can be very serious about it all. But, at the end of the day, for crying out loud, it’s it’s just a…

Anyway, that’s the beginning and the end of the “issue” for me.

761. Cygnus-X1 - April 21, 2014

BTW, my post #749 was held up in moderation for a day.

In case anyone missed it and has any ideas, I am very interested in an answer to the question that I asked.

762. AJ - April 21, 2014

758:

“Trekker” implies active, whereas “Trekkie” implies passive, participation in the activity of “Trekking”. This is simply by virtue of their suffixes (though, it should really be “Trekkee” technically).

I always viewed “Trekkie” as the older ‘I Grok Spock’ ones, whereas “Trekker” came out of the more independence-oriented late 1970s/early 1980s (TMP onward).

Not too many equivalent fan-type names around. “Bronies” scare the living daylights out of me. Not only are they adults who are serious fans of a toy product/cartoon clearly meant for and aimed squarely at elementary school girls, but woe be to the unfortunate school-age boy who publicly acknowledges his “My Little Pony” fandom. Those poor kids can get beaten to within an inch of their lives. One actually literally was.

Let’s just hope they don’t make the similar switch from “Bronies” to “Broners” because that is just so wrong on several levels.

Anyway, what Bronies do not have, which Trekkers and Trekkies do, is THIS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko959Q1SPx0

763. AJ - April 21, 2014

Sorry, guys. I made a mistake.

The unfortunate Brony was a 13-y.o. boy who tried to commit suicide due to bullying for being a “My Little Pony” fan.

The little guy seems to have made it, though is in therapy for some brain damage caused by the method he used in his attempt. Sad.

Kids in packs can be so dumb.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/boy-bullied-love-pony-attemps-suicide-article-1.1601341

764. Disinvited - April 21, 2014

#759. CmdrR – April 21, 2014, 760. Cygnus-X1 – April 21, 2014, & 762. AJ – April 21, 2014

I was fully aware the term “Trekkie” has evolved somewhat since then and expected to acknowledge this when it would defended as it often is. What I wanted NuFan to be aware of was that this divide is an old one and it isn’t just being a fan of the original series from which it arises as you can see there was one even back then.

CmdrR, if by “one of the many basic divides in human nature” you mean as old as the tale of the ant and the grasshopper, I concur. But I didn’t “rediscover” anything, I lived it, i.e. fellow fans going off the rails. My desire was to show that it didn’t take the creation of the alternate movie universe for this to trait to emerge as it has always been with us. And, yes, I agree this isn’t something unique to Trek either:

“While he [Leonard Nimoy] was making Body Snatchers in San Francisco one woman entered his dressing room, stole his motel room key, then let herself into his room, spent time in his bed, and left with his clothes, wallet and checkbook. At 1:30 a.m., wearing his clothes now, she phoned, offering to return his valuables if he would meet her in a motel room nearby.”– “The Questions I Am Tired of Answering” by By Colin Dangaard, 1978

http://www.leonardnimoy.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=554:the-questions-i-am-tired-of-answering-

765. Aurore - April 22, 2014

Fellow Star Trek fans.

This was shared on You Tube :

“Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry’s taped address to Owen Ogletree and the Atlanta Star Trek Society convention in 1984 where he discusses the fourth Star Trek movie, science fiction in general, and his prevalent optimism for the future of humanity. The only copy of this tape was just recently rediscovered by Atlanta Star Trek Society founder Owen Ogletree.”

_________

In the address, Gene Roddenberry had recommendations concerning Star Trek IV :

“…My recommendation on this one has been and will continue to be that we not take up a lot of time with a court martial. I think there are far more exciting tales to do. Although we will probably need enough continuity to explain where Kirk and the crew got the new starship that they’ll be flying.

As for what that vessel will be, my recommendation is that it be another U.S.S. Enterprise. Essentially like the old one, but, perkaps slicker, and, designed to be more fun in some ways. And, I’m very much against him taking over the U.S.S. Pregnant Duck that we saw on the last film…”

For more*, i.e., why he wasn’t writing and/or producing the film for instance, etc…
Link if authorized, here :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ3Bwo8xk4w
_____________

*
At 2 : 36…:

…On the first Star Trek movie, I learned –and I should have known–that in Hollywood, of course, movies are made more by directors and by studios than by producers…

Gene Roddenberry

766. Disinvited - April 22, 2014

#763. AJ – April 21, 2014

And oddly enough, this is connected to Trek in that John de Lancie was not only a voice actor on the cartoon but apparently produced a documentary covering your phenomenon:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2446192/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/257527888/bronycon-the-documentary

767. Aurore - April 22, 2014

Star Trek news :

“Alex Kurtzman & Roberto Orci Splitting Up on Bigscreen (EXCLUSIVE)”

“….Orci is currently laser focused on the upcoming ‘Star Trek 3.’ He’s already been tapped to pen the picture along with Patrick McKay and John D. Payne, and he’s lobbying heavily to direct the production. The film’s co-producers, J.J. Abrams’ Bad Robot and David Ellison’s Skydance, appear to be in favor of Orci helming the film, but people familiar with the situation say that Paramount is being cautious. If Orci lands the assignment, ‘Star Trek 3′ would mark his directorial debut….”

Link if authorized, here :

http://variety.com/2014/biz/news/alex-kurtzman-roberto-orci-splitting-up-on-big-screen-exclusive-1201160542/

768. Harry Ballz - April 22, 2014

@767

Well, ain’t that just f*ckin’ great!

A guy who has never directed as much as a TV commercial is going to make the next Trek film?

$*&^@#*!!!

769. Phil - April 22, 2014

Come on now, Harry. It’s not like he’s a newbie to the business. At some point Nimoy and Ron Howard had to get their first projects under their belt.

Wadda ya mean, Spock and Opie want to direct???

Besides, it’s not a done deal….

770. Aurore - April 22, 2014

@ 768.

“…..$*&^@#*!!!”

Oh, yeah?
Come say that to… MY FACE (again)…over there, if you dare!!!!!!!!!…..

:

http://trekmovie.com/2014/04/22/orci-and-kurtzman-to-end-film-partnership-orci-lobbying-to-direct-trek-3/#comment-5214134

(I was waiting for your reaction to the news/article…with GREAT interest….)

:)

771. Marja - April 22, 2014

753 Well whoever AsamovLives is, s/he/it doesn’t respect the author too much b/c they’ve spelled his name wrong. Maybe that signifies in hir/its beliefs.
—————————————————————————————

AJ, Cygnus, CmdrR, Et. Al. re: TREKKER TREKKIE TREKFAN

Well, I have said I am a Trekker, but someone on TrekMovie took me down a peg for being a “snob” and said there was no difference; I’ve always maintained the difference exists, and while I don’t adhere 100% to Terry Whittier’s definition above, I’d say the difference I observed [and shared with other grown fans] was, TrekkERs were Serious about Trek but would have some satirical and parody fun with it [Peter David, for one, who wrote a rippin' good parody of WOK], critique it seriously and un- … Trekkers were the readers, the writers, the supporters of space exploration. Some devoted themselves to Trek clubs that did good works for charities, some donated fan art to raise funds for earthquake victims and so on.

So perhaps we were/are “self-serious,” but really, some of us want to associate with the adults in the room, as it were.

In our jaded view TrekkIEs were in it to squee and scream at the actors [b/c they confused the actors with the characters], and collect toys & merchandise out the wazoo, and generally be silly.

Trekkers never cared for newscasters who branded every Trek fan a “Trekkie.” Particularly egregious are recent references to “Trekkie fans,” which would seem to be fans of Trekkies. [SMH]

But since my old-timey “division of the fandom” offends some at TrekMovie, I’ve lately used the word Trekfan.

772. Cygnus-X1 - April 22, 2014

771. Marja – April 22, 2014

Particularly egregious are recent references to “Trekkie fans,” which would seem to be fans of Trekkies. [SMH]

That’s funny.

773. CmdrR - April 22, 2014

So, now that Orci and Kurtzman are getting a Hollywood divorce, who gets custody of the E?

774. Marja - April 22, 2014

773 Looks like BobO.

775. Silvereyes - April 22, 2014

If Orci directs, they can go F themselves. Honestly…

776. Disinvited - April 22, 2014

#771. Marja – April 22, 2014

That’s a hoot. But with the of rise the documentaries – one even had a sequel – there’s probably more truth to it than either of us are prepared to admit.

777. Cygnus-X1 - April 22, 2014

775. Silvereyes – April 22, 2014

If Orci directs, they can go F themselves. Honestly…

That’s even funnier.

778. Aurore - April 23, 2014

@767

“…The film’s co-producers, J.J. Abrams’ Bad Robot and David Ellison’s Skydance, appear to be in favor of Orci helming the film, but people familiar with the situation say that Paramount is being cautious…”

________

Now that I know what Roberto Orci…”wants” *, I would like to hear about what Paramount really wants….

___________

*
Link if authorized, here :

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=117405

779. Silvereyes - April 23, 2014

I can’t take this any more! People at the Orci thread have left their brains at the door!

780. Phil - April 23, 2014

Yeah, I’m pretty impressed at those who are speaking of Bob like he’s some random retail clerk from Iowa who just won Paramounts ‘Direct a Hollywood Blockbuster’ sweepstakes. He’s no doubt had to argue persuasively for the job, so if he gets it the guy has earned his shot. Hopefully he’ll make the best of it.

781. AJ - April 24, 2014

It is just hard to trust anyone involved with this circus.

Let Mr. Orci take it and either totally destroy it, or do the opposite and make it one for the ages.

Since they shat out that last episode of “Enterprise,” it’s just been a rollercoaster ride of expectations raised (JJTrek 1), and hopes summarily dashed (JJTrek 2-STID, or “Star Trek in Distress”).

If they are going to turn Star Trek into GI Joe, which can muster up half a billion worldwide based loosely on some concept most people have forgotten, just do it boldly, and leave no doubt about it.

Bob Orci has never directed anything commercial, and no one would say that his collaborative writing efforts are anything other than average. “Spiderman 2″ has the same problem, apparently. And will it make a bank. Now that Kurzman is going for the bottom-of-the-barrel stuff like “The Mummy” and “Van Helsing” endless rehashes, should Orci’s potential be rated any higher?

I am SO skeptical at this point, and I am sick of the slaps on the back we get as fans from these corporate yes-men who then go on to stab us as they grease up that slope down to least common denominator territory.

782. Aurore - April 24, 2014

“It is just hard to trust anyone involved with this circus….”
_______

I see your point.

And yet, personally, I feel like there is always something to learn from this…”Bread and Circus”…

(I don’t necessary like it evidently, but, I find it informative on many levels, nonetheless .).

783. Disinvited - April 24, 2014

#564. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire – April 1, 2014

I posted a couple of STARLOG sourced stuff over on this chain:

http://trekmovie.com/2014/04/18/these-are-the-voyages-season-2-released/#comment-5214500

that you might be interested in, if only for the nostalgia trip?

And if any have interest in the HOUR 25 Hamill and Ford interview, one of the sourced items is from an article on HOUR 25 that covers that. I also dug up a 4 minute aircheck from that interview and posted a link there too.

784. Aurore - April 24, 2014

@ 782. Correction. (About the “Bread and Circus” thing I was referring to .)

“(I don’t necessarily like it evidently, but, I find it informative on many levels, nonetheless .).

785. Harry Ballz - April 24, 2014

Orci’s directing style will probably make Shatner’s efforts on ST:V look Orson Welles-like in comparison.

How can I put this………

Bob Orci directing the 50th anniversary Star Trek movie will be a CLUSTERF*CK!

786. crazydaystrom - April 24, 2014

All we can do is wait and see. And pray, If that is your wont.

787. Disinvited - April 24, 2014

#771. Marja – April 22, 2014

Queen Latifah, had Shatner on her show today and she declared, herself, her brother and her mother “Trekkies” all over the place, so that should be further indication of how the term has evolved. She told of how her family learned new words such as “tranya”. They didn’t know what it was but they made sure they learned how to say it.

788. Phil - April 24, 2014

@785. Or maybe not. It’s just as probable that they could return to Trek 09 form, now. Or maybe even surpass that. You never know….

789. Marja - April 24, 2014

785 Harry, Instead of a clusterf*** I kinda hope they’ll “take the world in a love embrace” [like a true Trekker child, I was born, born to be wild].

I have wild expectations perhaps. Maybe BobO will make the best commercial Trek movie ever.

Maybe Spielberg will come in and wrest control of the director’s chair from him!

LOL

790. Harry Ballz - April 24, 2014

Marja, here’s the thing……just because somebody can write screenplays (and not great ones at that) doesn’t mean they understand pacing, tone and how to effectively edit a film.

I find it hard to believe that Paramount would hand over the control of a multi-million dollar production to someone with NO directing experience whatsoever.

791. Marja - April 24, 2014

791, It is a little hard to believe. It could all be smoke up our collective dress, maybe they’re considering other directors as we run in circles about BobO.

Orci’s produced TV, so apparently — per one poster on the main thread — he’s done some of the same chores a movie director does, monitoring budget, hiring and coordinating talent behind and before the cameras, meeting deadlines ….

Abrams recommends him, and Abrams directed the two big Trek films that have made lot$a Buck$ for Paramount ….

I suppose there will be some of JJ’s very experienced ADs on hand, like Bryan Burke ….

I guess we’ll see how it comes out eh?

Personally, as long as the movie turns out to be good, I don’t give a rat’s patootie who directs it.

792. AJ - April 25, 2014

I all reality, directors come and go from potential projects all the time. Orci may be putting himself into play, but even if a director is chosen, it never means it’s final until the shoot begins.

Whoever it is, I hope it’s someone who can manage to a deadline, which JJ was incapable of doing with both Star Treks. This is a key date for Star Trek, and if the date is ignored or disrespected because everyone is too busy (i.e. no one is competently managed during the process), we can kiss any hope of a worthy film goodbye.

793. Aurore - April 25, 2014

@ 781.

“…If they are going to turn Star Trek into GI Joe, which can muster up half a billion worldwide based loosely on some concept most people have forgotten, just do it boldly, and leave no doubt about it…”

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Maybe “they ” will. It may be “their ” intent.

But, first things first.

Someone ( Roberto Orci ? ) has to deliver an… “epic”…valentine to the fans.

Then, after the movie is a total and unequivocal failure, there will be a need for a “change of direction ” concerning the franchise. “They ” will probably say that Star Trek has to be turned into something completely different in order to keep on existing.

One of the designated scapegoats will be the director who will be given what I would call the “Lindelof treatment “. Particularly if he or she is an unabashed Star Trek fan. Since, amongst other things, we’ll be reminded of the fact that “research indicates that the biggest deterrent to a general audience watching Trek are TREK FANS THEMSELVES!”. ( And, this time around, this won’t be any… “joke”. *)

…”Handing over the control of a multi-million dollar production to a Star Trek…FAN?!

What were “they ” thinking, anyway ?! “, some will ask…

:))

I AM joking, of course……Although….

:)

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*
(Posts 254 & 418 ) :

http://trekmovie.com/2013/12/31/happy-new-year-from-trekmovie/

794. Aurore - April 25, 2014

The question has been asked many times, I know :

What’s the future of Star Trek after “Into Darkness?” :

“…The thing is, 2009’s Star Trek was moderately successful, given how expensive it was, and Paramount was probably hoping that Into Darkness would be the Dark Knight to Trek09’s Batman Begins, as Forbes’ Scott Mendelson explains here. In other words, the first movie did pretty well, but they were hoping it would set the stage for the second film to be a huge monster hit, not just another okay performer.

And worse news? Star Trek Into Darkness did worse among young movie-goers than the first movie, as The Wrap explains:

Only 25 percent of those who went to see ‘Into Darkness’ were under 25 years of age. That’s considerably less than the 35 percent that the previous film attracted, and it’s far more older-skewing than the first-weekend audiences for Disney’s ‘Iron Man 3,’ which was 45 percent under 25, 27 percent families and 21 percent teens.

That makes it a less valuable property to the studios, which really want to capture a young audience. And it also means the series has less of a future, as the people who really want a new Trek eventually die off.

Oh, and the Star Trek game was a pretty spectacular disaster around the same time, which probably also meant the younger crowd wasn’t feeling the Trek….”

Link if authorized here :

http://io9.com/whats-the-future-of-star-trek-after-into-darkness-510291083

…What is next for the franchise?

Hopefully, there will be some…news… on that front, in the coming days…

Yes. There was the news about Mr. Orci’s ambitions.
However, I still do not know who is going to direct the next Star Trek ; so far, I am merely aware of who…”wants”… to direct the next movie…

795. Marja - April 25, 2014

792 AJ, someone who can manage to a deadline

UH-OH now you have me really worried, based on the STiD track record …

796. Phil - April 25, 2014

@792. I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t JJ have Trek 09 ready for holidays 08? I think it was Paramount that pushed the release to May. STID, no excuses. deadlines were blown off with astonishing regularity, and it was reflected in the final product…

797. Marja - April 25, 2014

796 Phil, I remember it well. I was SO excited for the winter 2008 release … which didn’t happen. Was it b/c Paramount wanted it to be a Summer Blockbuster?

If so, Paramount is more to blame for the tentpole-type action and marketing of the ST movies, methinks.

Not to mention they totally dropped the ball on STID’s marketing. What marketing?

798. Spockchick - April 25, 2014

Eeek!

Rain here in Scotland is Biblical! It’s almost May! WTF?

Yours, Soggy Spockchick

799. Marja - April 25, 2014

798 Spockchick, If you see Russell Crowe and the rest of the cast of “Noah,” be afraid.

Are April/May typically sunny in Scotland? Funny … I thought it was never sunny in Scotland

JK

Have a drink and stay dry :-)

800. Harry Ballz - April 25, 2014

I just poked fun at Orci over on his thread.

801. AJ - April 25, 2014

797/Marja:

Make no joke about it, there WAS marketing for Star Trek, and at least on this side of the Atlantic, it was ALL about Ben Cumberbatch in black on the poster in a post-apocalyptic London hellscape. That was enough to get butts in seats over here and in Asia, and tart up the foreign B.O. numbers. No real ‘Trek’ references at all.

You know, it boggles the mind that, as Aurore quotes in 794 from The Wrap, that there was any surprise whatsoever that “Only 25 percent of those who went to see ‘Into Darkness’ were under 25 years of age.”

When there is no inter-film marketing or activity (CARTOONS/TOYS for KIDS and not adults), no one will remember the franchise once the DVD is watched and goes back on the shelf. This must be CBS’s fault, as they are bottom-feeding now by releasing the already-Hi-Def “Enterprise” series on BR Disc, and not really investing anything in the franchise beyond that. I am sure someone somewhere will come up with a reason for us all to go out buy shit again in 2016, but why would ‘kids today’ give a crap?

Also, looking at the 18-25 demographic, someone who was 18 in 2013 was 14 in 2009, with a black void in between. This gap, between freshman year in high school, and freshman year in college, is HUGE if unserviced. If your parents took you to Trek09 as a teen, you already could give two shits about it when you’re 18 unless Paramount keeps its hooks in you. With exactly US $0.00 spent on this marketing effort, gosh, what a frigging surprise! Idiots.

802. Marja - April 25, 2014

800 Harry, well, here’s hoping you bump into each other at Directing 101 ;)

801 AJ, agreed … sadly. Four … frikkin … years.

803. Disinvited - April 26, 2014

#799. Marja – April 25, 2014

Speaking of marketing hype, if she does see him supposedly they built a “real” ark to scale. So no worries as to its seaworthiness, just get on board.

804. Disinvited - April 26, 2014

#791. Marja – April 24, 2014

Oh, I’ve taken in his announced ambition with a healthy dose of salt given these Bad Robot guys really love their mystery box surprises.

I do find it curious that the imdb lists Nicholas Myer as coming out of directorial retirement to direct LOVE AFFAIR. So it is the loftiest of my hopes that BR’s big surprise for the anniversary is that the Orci directing announcement is just a smokescreen. If I recall correctly, Meyer is a relative of JJ and has visited their offices and sets. Perhaps they’ve managed to use their same persuasive tactics that got Nimoy to sign up twice on Nic?

805. CmdrR - April 26, 2014

801 – Don’t repress, AJ. Let your feelings out.

Honestly, Trek is in the hands it’s in. I seriously hope that the next gang to grab hold of the rights (and with a strong history of cash, there will be a next gang) will try something bold and Trek-true. For now… watch the splosions, awe at the international casting, and forget each movie after about a week.

806. Basement Blogger - April 26, 2014

@ 798

Spockchick,

It might rain so much that Nessie may float out of the loch. By the way new photo of the old girl.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/04/20/newser-loch-ness-monster-apple-maps/7935087/

Okay, it’s likely a boat.

807. Phil - April 26, 2014

@797. Was pretty sure the May 09 release was Paramount’s idea.

Everything leading up to the production run for STID screams the project was an afterthought, they put it off as long as possible, then had to jam it out. Was it by accident or design, I don’t know. Bad Robot, in recent years, has gotten to the point where they think word of mouth drives the majority of their business – to an extent that’s true, but the critics also correctly pointed out it’s much harder to get away with that in a franchise, particularly one where your competitors are kicking out similar, good, projects every 18 months or so, and in a few cases a couple a year.

If Paramount wants Trek to perform like Marvel, then they need to do more then they need to pick up the pace – a movie every 4-5 years doesn’t get the job done.

808. Phil - April 26, 2014

need to do more, they need to pick up the pace ….

There’s something to be said about proofreading… :-(

809. Marja - April 26, 2014

804 Dis, Does Nick Meyer have any big director cred these days? “Coming out of retirement” to direct “Love Affair”??? Would that be the third re-make of the 1939 romance starring Irene Dunne/Charles Boyer, the 1957 Cary Grant/Deborah Kerr vehicle, then the not-so-successful1994 Warren Beatty and Annette Bening movie …? Can someone in Hollywood PLEASE think of something original for a change?

Will that really make Meyer an attractive director to entrust with a new megamillion$ Star Trek? The fact that he directed WOK 30 years ago makes him a treasure in Trekfan minds, but beyond that …?

Personally I’m still hoping for Spielberg [JJ's mentor] … now THAT would be a happy 50th anniversary surprise :-D
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806 Bernie … It’s the ENTERPRISE!!!
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808 Phil, they need to do more, AND they need to pick up the pace. And THEN market it like it matters.

810. Disinvited - April 26, 2014

#807. Phil – April 26, 2014

I think the problem is Redstone put so much emphasis on profits in the split that it’s left Viacom cash strapping Paramount as they keep cutting back and “streamlining” to avoid having Moonves “win” and remerge the two.

#809. Marja – April 26, 2014

All I that could squeeze out of their stone of publicity is Christine Olsen is executive producing and writing the screenplay.

Other than that I can’t account for Meyer’s attraction to the project which is why I suspect subterfuge along the lines that “Love Affair” is actually the code name for BR’s STAR TREK 13. However I don’t feel firm in this conviction as it could be a typical case of thinking his “Love Affair” is so unique as to warrant protection from poaching. If THAT is the case then it is difficult to see it as another reboot.

811. Disinvited - April 26, 2014

#809. Marja – April 26, 2014

The most that I’ve dug up is that it’s a drama.

http://1701news.com/node/312/star-trek-ii-director-taking-red-moon-rising.html

And that’s back in June of ’13.

812. Marja - April 26, 2014

810 Dis, Oh, how sad that Trek will be the victim in a contest between Viacom and CBS ….

811 Yeah, IMdb’s got nothin.’

[shrug] Guess we’ll just have to wait and see. I do get the sense that on the main thread, BobO is having great fun being coy and reading all our Serious Analysis of His Success as a Director.

813. Phil - April 26, 2014

@812. Yeah, it’s been kind of surreal. My position has been he has enough professional experience to be considered. While it won’t bother me if he gets the gig, it won’t bother me if he doesn’t, either. The splitting of hairs for what is and isn’t a qualification has been hilarious…

814. Marja - April 26, 2014

Well, you must admit it’d go down a lot easier with folks if Orci did have prior directing experience. Plus, I’m thinking about all the cool old-style effects JJ did because he has so much fun with the medium. I’m thinking of the direction of camera movement, directing the cinematographer and stuff like that, though what I know about movie directing I could fit in the toebox of my Birkenstock clogs. Orci’s production experience will be of great help. For the technical direction, probably Bryan Burke will be on hand and he’s a very capable AD.

I think Bob would be great at speaking with actors and working out performance “beats” and would be great at generally setting scenes. I’m hopeful that the pace of the movie, instead of being “breakneck” as STiD was, will slow to the point where we’re able to have more significant character interaction. A girl can dream.

815. AJ - April 26, 2014

I look at being a director as similar to being a doctor; you cannot simply become one by signing a contract, but have to earn your wings through a certain chain of experience in that specific side of the industry. Nimoy spent decades being “directed,” so he makes the grade, and he ended up with two real winners after TSFS in STIV, and “Three Men & a Baby.” He had arrived. He IS a Director. Orci IS not a Director.

Bob Orci writes stuff for directors to shoot, but please tell me why again he should be the one to direct a film with a $150m-$200m budget in hopes of pulling in a billion? Pure novice, and an ace with a laptop, most likely. For that kind of cash, why not get Spielberg? (Because, after IJ4, he realized he sucks?).

I say get a Brad Bird, Bryan Singer or an Alan Taylor-someone with some genre credentials and name recognition for people who follow that sort of thing (OK…maybe not Singer).

At this point, it looks like Paramount will indeed cheapen the pot by getting green screenwriters, and a novice director just in time for the 50th anniversary.

816. Disinvited - April 26, 2014

#815. AJ – April 26, 2014

If I had my druthers, I’d druther you were right and Paramount was putting serious NAME director money on the table. But I just can’t help but think that all this stalling is classic corporate hemming and hawing because they aren’t putting that money out there and are trying to cut costs.

So I’m resigned. Besides it’s not as if directors get final cut all that often anyway with studios stepping in plenty of times demanding re-cuts or taking the final edit away altogether and handing it to someone else when their bean counters aren’t happy.

817. Harry Ballz - April 26, 2014

Roberto Orci seems to believe that Kirk jumping from Cadet to Captain is actually plausible.

Orci now thinks he can jump from screenwriter to director without “paying his dues”.

Sad.

818. Aurore - April 27, 2014

@ 815.

“I look at being a director as similar to being a doctor; you cannot simply become one by signing a contract…”

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It’s Hollywood, AJ.

If one actor can fake being a doctor (or anyone, really) in a movie/series after signing a contract, perhaps, a writer/producer can become a director after signing one, as well…

Let’s be open-minded, here… :

(Link if authorized, here) :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fIVoh8KGDI

819. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - April 27, 2014

Well. Let’s see. I am not on for a few days and then all of a sudden Orci is splitting from Alex and now wants to direct Star Trek.
Well. How about we get a Chimpanzee and 2 Trainees to direct Star Trek. Oh wait. We already had that. My Bad.

820. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - April 27, 2014

It’s Logical really.
Cadet becomes Captian and Writer becomes Director. Flawlessly Logical.

821. Spockchick - April 27, 2014

@ 806. Basement Blogger

Hey BB! I looked at the pic and it looks like one giant catfish to me :-) Luckily, the rain is over and today is strangely warm. I’m now googling Catfish in Scotland. No results so far…

822. Basement Blogger - April 27, 2014

Aurore,

Before I forget, It’s a special time for a special place. Here’s the great Charlie Parker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPBAIVK-JRA

823. Harry Ballz - April 28, 2014

Well, I did it….I shot Orci right between the eyes at post #616 on his thread.

824. Aurore - April 28, 2014

@ 822.

Thank you, Bernie.

825. Aurore - April 28, 2014

( From the ” You Might Not Believe It, But, I Suddenly Really Want To Direct A Star Trek Movie. True Story . Really. ” thread ) :

:))

“616. Mr. Ballz – April 28, 2014

Hey, if Kirk can go from Cadet to Captain in one day, why can’t a guy go from being a screenwriter to director of a multi-million dollar movie franchise without even having directed traffic?

I mean, c’mon, no need to pay your dues these days. Move to the top without earning it. If that’s how they depict it in film, thus it should be in life.

I weep for the next generation.”

___________

“… Why not?…..’ MAKE IT SO ‘ !!! “

[ That was a reply from someone from the... next generation (of leaders). As a newly graduated high school student who recently became a Hollywood studio executive, this person does NOT want you to weep for them.

They'll be fine. Don't worry. ]

:)

826. Disinvited - April 28, 2014

819. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire – April 27, 2014

“How about we get a Chimpanzee and 2 Trainees to direct Star Trek. Oh wait. ” – Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire

When NEMESIS came out I would have agreed with you and bet it would have been an improvement. When it appeared on free TV, I’ve never been able to watch it all the way through. The most I’ve been to tolerate it was watching it in closed captioned Spanish which is my second language severely atrophied through disuse.

After hearing some impassioned calls from fans of N to give it a chance, I’ve tried. Lord, I’ve tried. But I’ve never been able to focus on it to accomplish that feat of seeing it all the way through.

I take it as a measure of what a stinker it really is outside my opinion that none of my unconcerned with Trek friends or family have ever given it to me as a gift and I’ve seen it as cheap as 25 cents and some of my posse are extremely thrifty.

827. AJ - April 29, 2014

Star Wars cast announced. Andy Serkis! Yay!

http://io9.com/star-wars-episode-vii-cast-announced-1569312302?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebook&utm_source=io9_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

828. Phil - April 29, 2014

@827 And Emperor Ming, too!

829. AJ - April 29, 2014

828:

Now, the long muddled countdown to worldwide fan disappointment begins!

I cannot help but compliment Disney for doing right by Marvel Comics these past few years, both with their own productions and the licensed properties (FF and Daredevil excluded, I guess). Can they pull it off with Star Wars? They just threw the franchise’s beloved “extended universe” into the Recycle Bin, so that’s a big “FU” to the base right there. Nice start. True fans are such a-holes anyway.

I am so biased against JJ being able to pull it off unless his job responsibilities are limited only to pointing and shooting. Not forgetting that “Empire” and “Jedi” were directed quite unnoticeably by two people who were not George Lucas (Irwin Kershner and Richard Marquand, respectively), can Abrams do so as well, leaving no residual signature on the film apart from his name to start the end-credits roll? Doubt it.

Since Trek now is so absolutely dead in the water and sinking fast, I’ll keep half an eye on Ep. VII just for laughs. Hell, if it weren’t for “Star Wars” in 1977, TMP would never have been made in 1979, and all the rest, blah, blah, blah.

830. Aurore - April 30, 2014

@ 829. AJ – April 29, 2014

“Now, the long muddled countdown to worldwide fan disappointment begins!…”

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I, personally, have absolutely nothing whatsoever to “worry” about, then!

“…I am so biased against JJ being able to pull it off unless his job responsibilities are limited only to pointing and shooting. Not forgetting that ‘Empire’ and ‘Jedi’ were directed quite unnoticeably by two people who were not George Lucas (Irwin Kershner and Richard Marquand, respectively), can Abrams do so as well, leaving no residual signature on the film apart from his name to start the end-credits roll? Doubt it…”

How could you, HOW COULD YOU be biased against …” Hollywood’s Renaissance man ” ?!

(Link if authorized, here) :

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/10592356/JJ-Abrams-Hollywoods-Renaissance-man.html

…Abrams is a classic geek, then, a tinkerer – something that should hearten those who are hoping for a return to the rough, space Western feel of the original Star Wars trilogy….

“…Since Trek now is so absolutely dead in the water and sinking fast, I’ll keep half an eye on Ep. VII just for laughs. Hell, if it weren’t for ‘Star Wars’ in 1977, TMP would never have been made in 1979, and all the rest, blah, blah, blah…”

That is what I heard. Star Wars probably helped.

Still, apparently, Paramount was (also) thinking about a motion picture before Star Wars was released :

(From a 1973 interview . Starts at 13 : 20) :

…I think our best chance of getting it back on the air would be through the motion picture…..There is some talk at Paramount of doing a Star Trek feature, a major feature etc, etc…

http://trekmovie.com/2013/12/18/unearthed-1973-interview-with-gene-roddenberry/

…At any rate, who knows? You might end up liking the next Star Wars.

Were this to happen, guess who would have the proverbial last laugh, then…

:)

831. crazydaystrom - April 30, 2014

I’m betting I’ll find JJ’s Wars more satisfying than his Trek. Abrams is a true Star Wars fan and it looks like Disney will be more of a controlling factor with he production than Paramount was with Star Trek. And for myself Star Wars is something I’ve only appreciated, at most. Trek of course is a longtime love…truly, madly and deeply. So I’ll not hold Wars to the standard I’ve always held Star Trek. I never have.

832. Aurore - April 30, 2014

@ 830. Correction.

…I think our best chance of getting it back on the air would be probably through the motion picture route. There is some talk at Paramount of doing a Star Trek feature, a major feature etc, etc…

833. Marja - April 30, 2014

AJ, what did Disney chuck from Star Wars? Just curious. I have little to no knowledge of the extended universe, though, so you may not want to bother explaining to a tyro.

831 Daystrom, Ditto. I like Star Wars a lot, but I LOVE and adore Trek.

834. AJ - April 30, 2014

Marja:

Dunno anything about the extended universe for Star Wars, but many SW fanboys and girls had started ‘assuming’ certain bits of it into canon, apparently.

Kinda like the Trek fans who assume the “Titan” books are worth adding to our canon (who in their right mind would want to see Riker and Troi together any more than we have to? Blecch…).

835. Phil - April 30, 2014

@833. They didn’t chuck anything, they just declared that the ‘extended universe’, what ever the heck that means, isn’t considered SW canon. Considering that JJ observed, correctly, that Trek is quite the slave to canon.to the point of distraction, they probably decided to jettison that baggage. I do wish they had done the same to Trek, it might have spared us a ton of nonsense.

836. LizardGirl - April 30, 2014

Whatever, it’s Star Wars. Whatever they do can’t be worse than the prequels.

The next Star Trek movie better have lots of fanfare now that SWs is back in the picture. And I highly doubt that Disney will keep a lid on everything like JJ did with ST. SW is to be released December of 2015 I believe, which means they’ll be a year ahead of the 3rd film.

Let’s look at the track record of Star Trek (under BR) vs. Disney’s Marvel conglomerate

Advertising alone-

Star Trek 2009: (great advertising, well rounded coverage in magazines, online junkets, interviews, etc.)

Star Trek into Darkness: ( very poor marketing, little to no information prior to 4 months before release including interviews and very lilttle merchandise)

Marvel The Avengers and pretty much every Marvel movie made to date: (amazing marketing plan, plenty of interviews, convention panels, junkets, radio interviews, merchanise, etc.)

******
I personally see this as a challenge and possible threat to the financial and commercial success of new Star Trek. It’s Bob Orci (assuming) vs. JJ Abrams, Star Trek vs. Star Wars. Bad Robot vs. Disney. And Disney is not to be taken lightly. They’re name is on every Marvel superhero movie, along with other Sci-fi/ Fantasy movies released in the last 8 or so years. I just hope that, under the direction of Bob Orci (still assuming), they don’t drag their feet this time.

837. Aurore - April 30, 2014

Thus [from The Telegraph article (@ 830)] :

“…Abrams is a classic geek, then, a tinkerer – something that should hearten those who are hoping for a return to the rough, space Western feel of the original Star Wars trilogy etc….”

…And, according to another article from The Telegraph :

Star Wars Episode VII may return to grittier roots

…Director J. J. Abrams, who is notoriously secretive about his films, has hinted that Star Wars: Episode VII could restore some of the mystery and grittiness from the original movies that critics claim was lost in ‘prequel’ instalments.

In an interview with the Times Magazine he praised a set of ‘golden rules’ spelt out by Star Wars fans on the internet as anticipation for the films grow.

These include setting the films on a Western style frontier of the galaxy rather than in shiny big cities like the three most recent films, giving the films a gritty and dirtier aesthetic and recreating some of the danger and mystery of the originals.

Abrams said: ‘I would say that (the website conveys) a feeling that we share very much etc…”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/film-news/10422635/Star-Wars-Episode-VII-may-return-to-grittier-roots.html

…Hopefully, fans of the franchise will be happy come 2015.

:)

838. CmdrR - April 30, 2014

http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/nearby-stars-icy-debris-suggests-shepherd-planet/#.U2GhHoFdWSp

OK, NOW we have some action like in Empire Strikes Back. But, it’s comets, not asteroids. Still, very cool!!

839. AJ - April 30, 2014

836: Lizardgirl:

One must always take into account the fact, as mentioned up a few messages, that international Box Office is now as important as North American Box Office. While the US may consider the marketing for STID as “poor,” the overseas activities were far more productive in terms of the key “butts-in-seats” Performance Indicator.

ST09 suffered from “I thought it was Star Wars” syndrome in some countries, while missing the boat on easier tasks like distribution in others (It wasn’t officially released in Poland, for example, which has an active trek Fanbase and a population of 39m people).

STID made great use of the iconic “Cumberbatch-Looks-Like-Batman/London’s-Burning” image in Europe and elsewhere, especially as “Sherlock” has achieved real mainstream success around the world. No Star Trek imagery or iconography required/presented.

In the US, STID suffered from JJ’s warped anti-PR mindset; while we know so much about Marvel films as they are conceived and shot, set leaks from JJTrek were either stemmed, or, more likely, made to look ‘unauthorized’ by their PR firm as part of Bad Robot’s whole secrecy schtick. It sucks the life of out the fanbase, and makes the film’s final appearance feel like much less of an event. And when the film misses on so many levels like STID did, it makes you feel like you know why it was all kept secret.

Let’s hope JJ is told to mind his business and make nice pictures for Star Wars 7, and leave the marketing to Disney experts.

840. Harry Ballz - May 1, 2014

Went to see James Blunt in concert tonight.

Typical pop artist. Nothing memorable.

Gawd, people are satisfied with such mediocre shit.

Yawn.

841. Marja - May 1, 2014

Aww, AJ, Riker and Troi are so cute together! Especially when she razzes him about that one song he couldn’t play well ….

Phil, AJ, Probably the “extended universe” is comprised of all the events/planets mentioned in all the SWars novels. And yep, sounds wise to put that aside for “filmed canon.”

839 AJ, I couldn’t agree more on the crap marketing, the secrecy, and the lack of info on STiD. The Cumberbatch image on that awful grey and black with fire poster — when they had such beautiful images that could have been used for standee cards in movie lobbies around the world — it just makes me grind my teeth. I hope to Judith Crist they do better for Trek3.

842. AJ - May 1, 2014

840:

Harry: Go find the Weird Al Yankovic parody of Blunt’s “You’re Beautiful” on the Internet (called “You’re Pitiful” with a Trek reference!).

Oh, wait, here it is!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVGoOBTmDA8

843. AJ - May 1, 2014

Stephen Colbert has the final word on the new Star Wars cast and JJ Abrams’ choices (plus the fine points of canon):

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/30/stephen-colbert-star-wars-cast-news_n_5240715.html?1398878384&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063

844. Cygnus-X1 - May 1, 2014

Matt closed the comments on the Orci thread after just one week. I wonder why?

Anyway, I wanted to respond to:

788. Disinvited – May 1, 2014

Look let’s just say I get why Nichelle objected to the line and the books and you don’t. And these weren’t the only things to which she objected. The script also would have had her character ask “Would you let your daughter marry one?”

Well, I’ll agree with you there. I don’t get it. There seem to be two points of complaint: (1) something about racism or stereotyping; and, (2) Uhura being portrayed as a dumb woman for using the Klingon language book. I don’t get either complaint.

The other problem I believe we are having is in our approaches. You are focusing on isolated micro-moments as comedic set pieces almost to the point of taking them out of the context of the rest of the script and I am focusing on the macro undercurrent of at least an insensitive attitude revealed in aggregate therein.

I’m doing both. As individual bits, I can find nothing offensive about them. And neither can I find anything offensive in the whole role-reversal idea of having the crew utter quips historically associated with bigotry in real life. The whole point is to turn the tables and challenge the audience by having the protagonists behave questionably with regard to those whom we usually regard as the enemy.

Perhaps you could spell out very simply what offends you about this approach. And the Chekov thing with the alien crew-member’s feet…that appears to be a third, unrelated category of offensiveness. I don’t even know how to begin to approach that one.

845. Spockchick - May 1, 2014

@ 834. AJ

…. Kinda like the Trek fans who assume the “Titan” books are worth adding to our canon (who in their right mind would want to see Riker and Troi together any more than we have to? Blecch…)…

Please can someone explain the crux of this aversion? Like you, Riker/Troi gives me the total heebies. But Dax/Worf – bring it on! Perhaps because Riker and Troi (IMO) were so worthy. Next Gen is my least fave, but a product of the time I suppose, there was a fashion for moralising in TV shows then.

846. Phil - May 1, 2014

@844. It’s back open. Cut and paste away….

847. AJ - May 1, 2014

845:

Riker/Troi, from what I understand, was a carryover from the Decker/Ilia concept that came from ST:PII and morphed into TMP. New male First Officer and new female (alien) Bridge officer have to suppress obvious feelings for each other after a messy breakup not too long before joining the Enterprise.

Obviously at some point during TNG, the writers veered from it, then saw it wasn’t viable, and tried to bring Worf into the picture (even sillier). Then, they brought the happy couple back to scrape the bottom in “Insurrection” and “Nemesis.”

Maybe it’s because Riker was supposed to be more Kirk-like, and not be monogamous, or that the Troi character just seemed a bit too goofy/nerdy to be Riker’s type. I enjoyed both characters on their own, but the chemistry always seemed forced.

Terry Farrell as Dax was just the perfect sexy bad-ass for Worf in DS9. She had a bad-girl twinkle in her eye which made her perfect for Worf’s semi-constipated True Klingon Warrior schtick. Made him cut loose, and she obviously enjoyed the physicality of the relationship. Also, it was the 1990s, and the show was getting away from dear old Gene’s 24th century conflict-free human relationships idea, and back to the role of hormones in a relationship in an overall much more ‘gritty’ (hate that word) realistic environment.

848. AJ - May 1, 2014

More grist for our talk about Orci (and Kurtzman) from a review on “Ain’t it Cool” of the new ‘Amazing Spiderman 2′ film:

“From a larger outlook, THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2 is basically plotless. There are changes to some of the characters, but it all leads to the same place in the end. We need to see movement; we need to know that the events of the film have affected the characters, and not just to service whatever plot happens next. Instead, these characters are slaves to the story, and it’s all paint-by-numbers. There is nothing the characters can do to change the tide of the plot, and as a result, we aren’t active with the story. It’s a juggernaut without any nuance, instead of a living breathing tale that we can interact with. I expect that of Kurtzman and Orci at this point, and it feels like a staple of their work. You either ride with the plot, or you get the hell out of the way. Subtlety has no place here.”

Sound familiar?

849. Captain Slow - May 2, 2014

I don’t know who here has seen this or even interested but the Starship Exeter episode The Tressaurian Intersection has finally been completed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkuJG1_2MnU

850. Aurore - May 2, 2014

“‘…It’s a juggernaut without any nuance, instead of a living breathing tale that we can interact with. I expect that of Kurtzman and Orci at this point, and it feels like a staple of their work. You either ride with the plot, or you get the hell out of the way.
Subtlety has no place here.’

Sound familiar?”

______________

Absolutely not.
Why should it (sound familiar)?

:)

851. Spockchick - May 2, 2014

@ 847 AJ.

I loved Dax with a passion, and I loved Teri Farrell in Decker also (a show I really liked, especially the cute-as a button Shawnee Smith as Linda)

I thought Dax was a realistic character, do not agree with those who say she was a Mary-Sue. Lord, we female Trek-Fans are starved of good females other than the ground-breaking Uhura,

852. Marja - May 3, 2014

I have just finished watching DS9 from start to finish on Netflix, over the last month or so. And oh, my, what a wonderful character Dax was. Indeed not a MarySue at all. Terry Farrell had a spark in her eye and mischief in her smile and yes! Jadzia was the perfect mate for Worf … and as AJ points out, loosened the ol’ boy up better than all that prune juice ever did. The wisdom of her character, having lived so many lives, was a wonderful element in the cast of DS9 characters.

I am sorry the producers put their asshats on when Farrell asked for the same salary other actors on the show were getting. According to what I’ve read, that is why Jadzia is missing from Season 7, and cute-as-a-little-chipmunk Ezri Dax came onboard. Farrell was not ready to keep sacrificing so much of real life to the show if she could not be paid as well as the others. Apparently she was originally going to be a “guest character” and not featured so regularly, but the audience responded very well to her. Of course the actress got no bump in salary from playing a beloved character. Go figure.

Between Dax, Kira, and Uhura, I’m a little torn as to who my favorite Trek female role model is. Although I liked Janeway enormously at the start for her response to a bridge officer who called her “sir.”

“Call me Captain. I’ve earned it.”

853. Harry Ballz - May 3, 2014

Marja

I really liked your post.

Very insightful comments.

854. Harry Ballz - May 3, 2014

Oh, and well written as well.

855. Cygnus-X1 - May 3, 2014

852. Marja – May 3, 2014

I’ve been re-watching DS9, too. I’m about halfway through at the moment. It’s a comforting show, though definitely a tier below TNG. Some of the episodes are actually too boring to watch and I have to skip over them, but most of them are pleasant enough. The character actors (and their characters) are the best ones in this show, for my money—Odo, Quark, Garak, Nog, Rom…—Sisko is pretty good most of the time, too. I find Kira and Dax to be the most replaceable of the bunch. I can easily see two different actresses playing those roles as well or better, whereas I find the character actors much more uniquely suited to their roles (and much more enjoyable in their roles).

856. Cygnus-X1 - May 3, 2014

P.S. And I LOVED Mary Kay Adams as Quark’s Klingon wife. I just watched that episode yesterday, and quite enjoyed it.

857. Spockchick - May 3, 2014

@ 852 Marja

I blubbed like a baby when Jadzia died, it was awful, and then sooo awkward with the new Ezri.

I admit I love Seven of Nine, especially the episode where the Doctor inhabits her body. She always got all the best lines. I have a soft spot for Kes, and found her end so sad. But overall I think I might pick Guinan, she was an excellent, rounded character.

I LoLLed at your ‘prune juice’ comment!

858. CmdrR - May 3, 2014

http://www.howitshouldhaveended.com/

Yay! A new one!!!!

859. CmdrR - May 3, 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOQxxNYSHR0&feature=youtu.be

and this…

860. Aurore - May 3, 2014

…Star Trek fans? What is a Star Trek fan ?!

(At a time when I, personally, did not know a new Star Trek movie was in the works), sociologist John Tenuto shared “some preliminary findings from his study of scifi fandom…” :

The Myth of the Star Trek Fan

http://trekmovie.com/2006/09/24/the-myth-of-the-star-trek-fan/

861. Spockchick - May 3, 2014

@ 860 Aurore

I totally read that as Scientologist! Tee Hee :-)

862. Marja - May 3, 2014

860 Aurore, Thanks for putting up that link. It fits with my experiences for sure. There were quite a few families in California attending Trek conventions.

The creativity and ingenuity of fans who design their own costumes, as mentioned in Tenuto’s research, is seldom recognized. There are sites now which design and sell Trek uniforms to measure (for $300.00) for Cosplayers! I don’t know how they afford it, but if it pleases them, so much the better. I just dislike thinking these folk in professionally designed costumes might compete with people who designed and made their costumes by hand.

Anyway, most of the Trek fans I know are professionals or aspiring professionals of one stripe or another: a reporter, an archaeologist, a social worker, military veterans, a news editor, a librarian, a small business owner, and the folks on this board, whose professions also vary.

I didn’t realize TrekMovie had been around that long! The article’s from 2006, wow! Glad you remembered it, Aurore.

863. Marja - May 3, 2014

855 Cygnus, One must remember that most of the interesting roles in Hollywood are written either for male hero characters or male character actors. I disagree with you on Kira and Dax, as you may imagine, but I agree that the wonderful actors playing Odo, General Martok, Elim Garak, Gul Dukat, Quark, Weyoun, and other aliens, friend and foe, had lots of dramatic meat to chew on. As for the ladies, most were fairly conventional career women, but Kai Winn is interesting, political, manipulative and was surely fun for Louise Fletcher to play.

Kira was a very interesting woman — a good leader, a stubborn woman who believed in compassion, except for the Cardassians she fought in the Resistance. As First Officer of DS9 she learned compassion for some of them. She tended to be judgemental based on her past, where instant assessments were vital to maintaining the health of her people and the Resistance. I think, too, the character was a wonderful role model for young women aspiring to “non-traditional” careers.

And Dax, for reasons outlined above, was a gem in my book. The only thing that makes me a little sad is that the character apparently “had” to have male hosts in the past to make her interesting, authoritative, and credible as a friend and mentor for Benjamin.

And let me talk about Benjamin Sisko for a moment. What a wonderful father and role model this character was. I am glad that Avery Brooks gave him so much gravitas, humanity and meaning.

I could go into a detailed analysis of every character: that was the richness of DS9. *Each* character was given depth, so it was much more rewarding to watch [for me] than some episodes of TNG. Of all the episodes I watched, in seven seasons, I can count on one hand the number of awful episodes … unlike any other series of Trek.

864. Spockchick - May 3, 2014

@ Aurore

But on a serious note, I am heartened that Trek has the most female fans, according to the study.

865. Marja - May 3, 2014

HOORAY FOR FEMALE TREK FANS

866. CmdrR - May 3, 2014

Z’ank heavonz for leetull Trek girlz…

867. AJ - May 3, 2014

The fact that a large percentage of Trek fans are women has been well-known (in fandom) for a long time.

The last Trek convention I visited (Parsippany, NJ 2009) was chock full of families and ‘normal’ people from the long-neglected (by Trek cons) Tri-State area. Lots of dads with kids dressed as Klingons/Borg/Starfleet, etc. and a fair share of quite good looking women out to flaunt their Bill Theiss-inspired outfits.

Quite the opposite to the “myth” (as presented here):

http://www.myvideo.de/watch/127096/Star_Trek_TOS_William_Shatner_SNL_Get_A_Life

868. Marja - May 4, 2014

867 AJ, Ah yessss, I recall from my late 20’s when I donned a Theiss-inspired creation of my own to attend the costume contest … sadly those “daring days of partial baring” are no longer.

But I looked demmed good in it, if I do say so myself.

869. AJ - May 4, 2014

Theiss designed some fairly revealing women’s costumes, which always seemed like they could just fall off at a moment’s notice…

870. Aurore - May 4, 2014

@ 867. AJ – May 3, 2014

“…The fact that a large percentage of Trek fans are women has been well-known (in fandom) for a long time etc, etc….”

_________

That’s the kind of fact, I only found about while impatiently waiting for my Star Trek (2009) DVD ( as far as I remember, I only got a chance to watch the movie, for the first time, in November of 2009 ).

Reading ( “old” ) articles from this site and others made the wait more “bearable”… And, I learned a lot about my beloved franchise, “fandom”, etc.

….Aaaaaah, doz were da days….

:)

871. Harry Ballz - May 4, 2014

@868

Marja, surely you have some photos of you in said costume.

Please post them here.

Pretty please?

872. Silvereyes - May 4, 2014

@ 852 Marja

I agree about Dax being a very good character, very well played by Terry Farrell as well. Dax, Kira, Uhura and Kes were all very strong, well written characters (I didn’t care at all for Janeway) and were a great addition as well as being excellent ambassadors for female characters in Star Trek.

But then, alas, there was a sharp drop in the studio heads’ IQs and they decided to replace character and intellect with buttocks and cleavage. If you need to dress your character is reaveling skin-tight catsuits to attract viewers, maybe you should start looking at improving the scripts and storylines instead?

Although 7 of 9 was still a well written character, her uniform was just over the top. And T’Pol was just a joke. She looked like a stripper… No disrespect to Jolene Blalock, she played the character as well as was possible considering how badly written it was (sorry, Vulcans should not be arrogant and should certainly not say to each other “How can you stand the smell?” when talking about humans!!). I mean, was that naked-gelly-shower scene (down Harry!) with Tucker really necessary? I digress…

873. Harry Ballz - May 4, 2014

“I mean, was that naked-belly-shower scene (down Harry!) with Tucker really necessary?”

Yes, yes it was. I feel it really added something to the story. it made me pay closer attention.

874. Marja - May 4, 2014

Oh, Harry, I wish I did. But I don’t. That being the very first convention I attended I was alone and had no Trek friends along to take pics. Sorry — it would have been glorious ;-)

872 Silvereyes, I’m with you on the catsuits, but even more offensive [to me] was T’Pol’s sleepwear. Illogical! As for T’Pol’s catsuits, her original Vulcan uniform was decent. The following “civilian” iterations seemed neither sensible nor even Elegant-Female-Vulcan. In general all the Starfleet uniforms on “Enterprise” sucked [to me]. The blue jumpsuits made sense but were too close to today’s models, and the Dress uniform was a total Fail! But T’Pol — when she wore the same uniform as the other officers onboard — looked just fine. She was not the stuff of teenage tentpoles, but she looked fine.

That gel … what was it for, decontamination? If so, both should have been naked, and smearing their hair with the stuff as well. It was ridiculous. Far better to have an actual shower with some tempting glimpses of the other officer. If they were going for titillation value, at least the “justification” within the story should’ve made some sense.

I had stopped watching Voyager before 7 of 9 came along, but, yeah, eye candy for the male viewers. That was as plain as the Borg traces on her face.

875. Cygnus-X1 - May 4, 2014

863. Marja – May 3, 2014

855 Cygnus, One must remember that most of the interesting roles in Hollywood are written either for male hero characters or male character actors.

But, there have been plenty of “character-actor” roles for women in Trek since TOS. DS9 was no exception. I can’t recall them all right now, but in addition to the aforementioned Mary Kay Adams, there are some great performances by women in female-character roles. I just don’t find Kira and Dax to be among them. Jadzia I always found to be pretty Milquetoast and flat. She had her moments, now and again, but the best contribution of Farrel’s Dax, for me, was the way that she played that lesbian scene where Jadzia meets an old flame of Kerzon’s, who’s still in a female body, though obviously Dax now has a female body also. The character of Kira had plenty of potential; I just never found her portrayal by Visitor to be particularly compelling.

As for the ladies, most were fairly conventional career women, but Kai Winn is interesting, political, manipulative and was surely fun for Louise Fletcher to play.

That’s another good example of a character actor playing a role that I can’t easily see played as well by anyone else. Louise Fletcher, another good female character actor, was inimitably creepy and frustrating as Winn, the quintessential love-to-hate character.

So, I don’t think it’s a male/female issue. There are also male actors in Trek series whom I could easily see replaced by someone better suited to their roles.

876. Cygnus-X1 - May 4, 2014

I was only able to appreciate DS9 after it came on Netflix and I could binge-watch it at my leisure, without having to sit through commercials or wait a week for another disappointing episode. The series has an arc, but it’s a very slow, long arc. Watching two or three episodes at a time in a deliberately paced serial, you can see the characters and the series plot developing, season by season.

877. AJ - May 4, 2014

DS9 was a tough one to watch in its earlier days. Much like TNG, there were kinks and character issues to be worked out, and the stories just weren’t that interesting.

I always thought the Cardassians and the Bajorans were just another ‘cold war analogy,’ and when it was clear their post-occupation conflict would form the backdrop for the show’s action, I lost interest (frankly, Nana Visitor’s Kira as some kind of embittered ex-terrorist with a dark past just seemed so WTF? to me at the time, and it still does. She was just too ‘suburban housewife’ for the role). Her gay narcissistic version of herself in the mirror universe, however, was a brilliant turn. Over the top and scene-chewing, and Visitor simply nails it.

You could see the studio execs’ moves behind the scenes on this one to prop up ratings, when they got a ship, got a war, got Worf, got TOS-fever, got over-Klingoned, and simply ran the gamut of gimmicks before running a full 7 seasons. There are some real gems in the mix, and the show itself was a definite forerunner for ‘grittier’ (blecch) shows that would follow.

It is on my list to do a full re-watch, but that first season, pilot aside, will be a tough haul, for sure.

878. Silvereyes - May 5, 2014

@ 874 Marja

“I had stopped watching Voyager before 7 of 9 came along, but, yeah, eye candy for the male viewers. That was as plain as the Borg traces on her face.”

Yes exactly. Eye candy for us testicles on legs. Nothing else matters, we only want to see boobies! Don’t overestimate us by actually thinking we’re interested in plot and intrigue and character development… Noooo, just give us a beer and babes-with-butts and we’re good!

… which is why I stopped watching Voyager and Enterprise as well. Let the cretins at Paramount/CBS or whoever cater to the segment of the male population just discovering puberty and I’ll just stick to quality TV, like Real Housewives of Berverly Hills or something…

879. Disinvited - May 5, 2014

#874. Marja – May 4, 2014

You might be surprised by the wealth of material available online from old conventions. Name it and you never know what might pop up.

880. Cygnus-X1 - May 5, 2014

877. Silvereyes – May 5, 2014

@ 874 Marja “I had stopped watching Voyager before 7 of 9 came along, but, yeah, eye candy for the male viewers. That was as plain as the Borg traces on her face.”

Jeri Ryan was definitely easy on the eyes, but she turned in good performances in that role, as well. The episode where she and the Dr. switch bodies and she has to try and seduce the alien captain, but it’s really the Dr. inside Seven’s hot body, and Jeri Ryan is doing her impersonation of Robert Picardo playing the Dr….that was really well done by Jeri Ryan. Very funny and entertaining and convincing.

881. Cygnus-X1 - May 5, 2014

P.S. I don’t want to give the impression that I’m being overly critical of Terry Farrel and Nana Visitor. Neither of them were bad in their roles. And it’s hard to tell how much of what I found left to be desired is attributable to the writing and how much to the actors not being sufficiently compelling in their performances. Not everyone is a Shatner, who can grab you and pull you with the simplest action or line.

882. Aurore - May 5, 2014

Here’s a quiz… “Harry S. Plinkett ” *… would probably “ace” ; he is, I believe, familiar with the (entire) Star Trek franchise and is a Star Wars fan, as well (unless I’m mistaken) :

Link if authorized, here :

Star Wars or Star Trek? Quiz: Do you know the difference between the two classic film franchises?

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/star-wars-star-trek-quiz-7064497

________

*
http://trekmovie.com/2010/09/01/red-letter-media-takes-on-star-trek-2009-and-likes-it/

( “Red Letter Media Takes On Star Trek 2009 – And Likes It?! “)

883. Aurore - May 5, 2014

@882.

“…he is, I believe, familiar with the (entire) Star Trek franchise and is a Star Wars fan, as well…”

_________

To be clear ; although I am not a Star Wars fan myself, I do believe one can love both franchises.

(…And, of course, it is also possible to love one and not to care about the other…without having any problem whatsoever with the fact that some people love both…)

:)

884. Marja - May 5, 2014

883 Aurore, I’m with you on that. Trek is my near-lifelong love, and I really like Star Wars, except Eps I – III [after I, I didn't even bother]. So, yeah, both, but Hot on Trek and Warm on Wars.

880, Cygnus, I feel you are being a bit tough on Farrell and Visitor. I though they were both great. In the first season Dax was a little bland, but found her feet, and later was a better-layered character. Visitor I liked throughout, and her camp turn as Mirror Kira was just … too … but she was very good at portraying narcissism, which is so rampant in Hollywood she probably had plenty of role models …. I liked Dax to the point where I wept in her near-death episode when she and Worf undertook a mission on which they were alone.

I suspect our taste in acting styles differs qute a bit. I am not so riveted by Shatner after the first season and a half of TOS. Shatner quickly seemed to assume [in MOST, not ALL episodes] a rather devil-may-care approach to his character. I will say that for the most part, Kirk was written very badly after the first half of second season, and even Shat’s skillz did not redeem the character, IMO. But I was a big-time Nimoy fan, and for me, Shatner paled next to him. [I will stipulate that Spock, too, was often badly written, but Nimoy managed somehow to keep the character's integrity - for the most part.]

In my case, much of Shatner’s Kirk is “over-the-top” acting. I was convinced by him in Trek II, III and IV, but all the rest of the movies, meh. His scene in “Generations” when he saves the Enterprise was classic, good Kirk.

885. Cygnus-X1 - May 5, 2014

884. Marja – May 5, 2014

In my case, much of Shatner’s Kirk is “over-the-top” acting.

Sure, but he kept things interesting when the writing alone wouldn’t have.

So many times in DS9, I found Farrel’s Dax to be barely there. Again, how much was the writing and how much the performance. Visitor didn’t have the problem of being barely there, but the problem I had with her was that I could see her acting sometimes. Her Mirror Universe counterpart is actually a good example of that. I’m very aware throughout those episodes that I’m watching a woman acting like a narcissistic megalomaniac.

886. Basement Blogger - May 5, 2014

I saw Spider-Man 2 in 3D. Here’s the short review. I found the romance between Peter Parker and Gwen Stacy more compelling than the action set pieces. Granted the actors, Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone have a real relationship but they still have to act in character. And there must be a good script to give them the lines and to set it all up. Kudos to Bob Orci. Anyway, the chemistry between Peter and Gwen is electric. Walked out of the theater thinking about them.

As for seeing it in 3d, skip it. Unlike the first movie, director Marc Webb shot it in 2D and converted it. Nothing amazing about the 3D version, no pop or real depth. See this movie in 2D.

The grade is A.

Here’s the full review with trailer.
http://berniebasementblog.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-amazing-spider-man-2-3d-review.html

887. Marja - May 6, 2014

Cygnus, OMG, talk about “seeing someone acting”! That was one of my big problems with Shatner. When his character ceased to interest him — either by being poorly written or by being eclipsed at times by the Spock character — Shatner did all he could to get noticed. Acting!, instead of inhabiting, the character.

The only time I saw that much overacting from Visitor was when she was doing that mirror character. Ugh.

888. Cygnus-X1 - May 6, 2014

887. Marja – May 6, 2014

Cygnus, OMG, talk about “seeing someone acting”! That was one of my big problems with Shatner. When his character ceased to interest him — either by being poorly written or by being eclipsed at times by the Spock character — Shatner did all he could to get noticed. Acting!, instead of inhabiting, the character.

hehe — well, at this point we’d have to refer to specific examples…

This is one of my all-time favorite TOS scenes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-S4JpRkvUE

It’d be easy to criticize Shatner for “overacting” here, particularly toward the end when “the disease” takes hold of him, but he just sells it so well that I wouldn’t see the point in such a criticism. His performance is just so damned captivating and compelling that he brings you along for the whole Shatner ride. Some of his lines at the beginning are just simple repetitions: “We’ve got to risk implosion!” and again, “We’ve got to risk implosion!” It’s Shatner’s choices, facial gestures and overall performance that makes those simple, repeated lines so effective and compelling. You have to admit that he really grabs you and pulls you into what’s happening. This is the sort of ability that I was referring to.

889. Aurore - May 6, 2014

Who’s Directing ‘Star Wars Episode VII’?

“Today we learned that J.J. Abrams is, according to J.J. Abrams, officially not going to be directing Disney’s new, possibly ill-advised seventh episode of the Star Wars franchise. While we already know who is going to be involved with the writing of three new movies, the director duties are still very much up in the air, even if an announcement could be coming soon. So who’s on the short list? Well, it’s a long list, really — almost every single director who has made a single hit in the science fiction, action, or fantasy genres is rumored to be rumored that people hope they’ll maybe get the job, possibly. Here we break down the chances of some of those names actually taking on the job: Who doesn’t want to do it, who hasn’t been contacted yet, and who might still be a possibility to try and not ruin Star Wars etc, etc…” :

Link if authorized, here:

http://www.thewire.com/entertainment/2012/12/whos-directing-star-wars-episode-vii/60323/

…This was then.

We now know who will direct the next Star Wars movie.

However (as I type this), there isn’t anything definitive concerning the director of the next Star Trek film.

Hopefully, potential directors were not “intimidated” by the fact that the man who revived the Star Trek franchise is presently helming the seventh theatrical Star Wars movie…

At any rate, if Mr. Orci does end up directing the next Star Trek movie, I hope it will be because, out of the many (confirmed) directors who were possibly interviewed for the job *, the people in charge of making such decisions ( Paramount, etc…) chose him for they sincerely believe he was the right man for the task.

Not because he really wanted the job while other directors really didn’t want it.

____________________

*
(Post 517) :

http://trekmovie.com/2013/12/06/new-writers-added-to-trek-3/

890. Aurore - May 6, 2014

@ 889. Correction.

“…At any rate, if Mr. Orci does end up directing the next Star Trek movie, I hope it will be because, out of the many (confirmed) directors who were possibly interviewed for the job *, the people in charge of making such decisions ( Paramount, etc…) chose him for they sincerely believed he was the right man for the task.

Not because he really wanted the job while other directors really didn’t want it.”

891. Aurore - May 6, 2014

(I apologise) :

@ 890. Correction:

“…At any rate, if Mr. Orci does end up directing the next Star Trek movie, I hope it will be because, rather than hiring one of the many (confirmed) directors who were possibly interviewed for the job *, the people in charge of making such decisions ( Paramount, etc…) chose him instead for they sincerely believed he was the right man for the task.

Not because he really wanted the job while other directors really didn’t want it.”

:)

892. Marja - May 6, 2014

888 Cygnus, I agree with you on this. First, he was still *inhabiting* Kirk and made his urgency convincing.

In contrast, look at third season episode “And the Children Shall Lead” — the scene where he’s “lost command” —

One could say that Shatner was reacting to the paucity of good scripts in Third Season, or one could say he was parodying himself.

For most of that episode, by the way, he does just fine.

893. Marja - May 6, 2014

Cygnus, Haha, one poster wrote, “Rabbis won’t watch it, there’s too much ham”

894. Cygnus-X1 - May 6, 2014

892. Marja – May 6, 2014

In contrast, look at third season episode “And the Children Shall Lead” — the scene where he’s “lost command” —

Well, that was a bad episode. I won’t scrutinize any actor too strongly when he’s got shit to work with.

895. AJ - May 6, 2014

I grew up loving Kirk and Spock’s scene in the turbolift in “ATCSL.” The episode was cool when I was a kid (who wouldn’t want to have those cool powers?) who did not really understand what the kids had left behind and why.

What’s left as an adult is memories of Kirk’s elevator outburst, and Sulu staring at a symmetrical barrage of animated knives on the viewscreen. I also remember everything else, including the fact that actor Craig Hundley (redheaded kid ‘leader’) invented that weird warbly sound with Jerry Goldsmith for TMP’s soundtrack.

Shatner’s work here is neither bad nor good acting, but merely one of several bad apples in the orchard of Shatner’s collected works, most of which are odd and immensely entertaining.

896. Red Dead Ryan - May 6, 2014

I just saw “The Amazing Spider-Man 2″ earlier today. It’s a so-so movie, I’m afraid. The villains weren’t interesting, Andrew Garfield’s accent was strange, the fight scenes were video-game-like, and the overall story was underwhelming.

There were some good character moments between Peter Parker and Aunt May, as well as Gwen Stacy but ultimately, TASM2 felt like it was overstuffed with villains (similar to what befell Sam Raimi’s “Spider-Man 3″) and not enough plot.

The first TASM was merely okay, as it was a rehash. The sequel I rank about the same. It didn’t bring anything new to the game. These movies fall short of the first two Raimi movies, and in particular, “Spider-Man 2″, which a decade later, is still far superior.

It feels even more underwhelming in the shadow of other recent superhero flicks, such as “Iron Man”, “Captain America 1 and 2″, “The Dark Knight” trilogy as well as “The Avengers”.

Some people loved this movie, others hated it. But for me, its somewhere in the middle. Not terrible, but not great either.

A 5 out of 10.

BTW, the Hans Zimmer score is great.

897. Cygnus-X1 - May 7, 2014

I’d rate the Raimi Spidermans as 4 out of 10. Not terrible, just boring. The idea of having the villain and the hero taunting each other through masks during the climactic mano-a-mano duel, such that you can’t see either of their lips move or any facial expressions at all, was absurd. I remember how nonplussed I was in the theater seeing that. It seemed like a joke and a bad one at that.

So, judging from your review, I guess I’d probably find this latest Spiderman to be a 2 or a 3.

How many reboots is this for Spiderman now, anyway? Are they on the first reboot after Raimi or the second? I’m trying to boycott comic-book movies out of disgust, though I’m sure I’ll wind up seeing one or two over the Summer with friends, as I invariably do each Summer because there’s just nothing else better to see with a group. I think the last one that I saw was Iron Man 3. His suit flying on its own from Tennessee to NYC or where ever it was in like 3 minutes was the last straw.

898. AJ - May 7, 2014

Raimi Spideys 1& 2 were fairly faithful to what I remember as a comics-reader in the 1970s (John Romita-era Spiderman). 3 was, too, but it SUCKED.

The first “Amazing” re-boot was defined by the question of why it needs to exist in the first place. The second apparently removes a key element of the origin story (the random chance that nerdy highschool kid Peter Parker gets bitten by that radioactive spider on the school trip) which defines his important ‘everyman’ character and the sudden burden of responsibility learned via the preventable death of his uncle, and how that redefines the ‘everyman’ into something better, etc.

I am sure I will watch #2 at some point. The Orci/Kurtzman/Vladimir Putin writing team is getting shat upon in many of the (mostly) bad web reviews (now naming names), but it’s one of those (other) things I will watch, regardless of the reviews.

899. Red Dead Ryan - May 7, 2014

The reboot was made because there was a perception by Sony execs that kids fifteen and under weren’t familiar with the Raimi films.

Despite the fact that the dvds/blu rays are widely available, and are also aired frequently on television.

But there’s talk that after the Marc Webb movies are done, there’ll be yet another reboot. The title of which will most likely be “The Spectacular Spider-Man”. Telling us the origins of Spider-Man YET AGAIN.

Sam Raimi’s “Spider-Man 2″ is still of the all-time great superhero flicks. The tie-in game was excellent as well. A lot fun swinging through New York City and climbing the skyscrapers. The side missions were good, and the overall main story was good. One of the few decent movie-based games that was actually great.

900. Cygnus-X1 - May 7, 2014

899. Red Dead Ryan – May 7, 2014

The reboot was made because there was a perception by Sony execs that kids fifteen and under weren’t familiar with the Raimi films.

And the fact that the re-boots were profitable enough to spawn further re-boots and sequels shows that the new crop of young kids will want to see them regardless of what has come before. And their parents will take them to see the infinite reboots. That’s 2-4 tickets per family on average.

Children are under no obligation to be educated about film history or to care about the originality of what they’re seeing. I recently re-watched Battle Beyond the Stars (1980) for the first time since I was 5 or 6. And I remember really liking it when I was 5 or 6. I’m not sure if I liked it as much or more than Star Wars, but to me they were in the same league.

When I watched BBTS the other day, it was laughable how many things in the movie were ripped off from previous sci-fi movies, and how cartoonishly simple the premise of the movie was. There’s a bad guy who’s going to conquer a planet because he’s the bad guy and that’s what bad guys do. So, he shows up in his big spaceship and menacingly warns all of the inhabitants of said planet to prepare for their doom, which will occur when he returns in like a week or something. I guess he wanted them to like clean up and organize themselves to make his whole takeover a bit easier.

Anyway, kids will see whatever looks neat-o. It’s up to us to have taste and vote with our dollars, not that we can necessarily compete with the ever larger crop of kids that comes along every 5 years, but we don’t have to help support bad or redundant movies.

901. Aurore - May 8, 2014

“…The Orci/Kurtzman/Vladimir Putin writing team…”
__________

:))

What is going on, here?!

…Next time, leave ” Vlad “ OUT of “it “, please !!!

902. Aurore - May 8, 2014

P.S :

“…Next time, leave ” Vlad “ OUT of “it “, please !!! ”

______

It wasn’t in any way a reference to the Prince of Wallachia, by the way.

I do not know if the same is true for Russia, but, here, I guess you won’t be surprised to hear that we call “our ” Vladimirs, ” Vlad “, sometimes…

903. AJ - May 8, 2014

Well, as Andrew Garfield is in his mid-thirties, unless they just adjust the actor (other non-Peter-Parker iterations of Spiderman are apparently verboten), the next reboot could be soon. Apparently there is a thing called the “Sinister Six” which they have now set up for supreme milkability going forward.

It’s funny seeing all the same villains from when I was a kid still kicking around in the films (Lizard, Green Goblin, Rhino, Electro, Vulture, Doc Ock, etc).

Fun fact: In Russia, the film is called “New Spiderman 2: High Voltage”

Here is something in Russian about which will sound like nonsense:

http://piter.tv/event/_Novij_Chelovek_pauk_2_Visokoe_napryazhenie_2014_supergeroya_odeli_v_kostyum_iz_proshlogo/

904. AJ - May 8, 2014

sorry. Something in Russian about Spiderman 2 which will sound like nonsense (it’s in Russian!)

905. Aurore - May 8, 2014

“sorry. Something in Russian about Spiderman 2 which will sound like nonsense (it’s in Russian!)”
_____________

…Ah, yeah, well, fret not.

There was a video.
I saw some explosions, some action, some wild and exciting special effects.

As a member of the international audience, that was enough for me .

Thank you, AJ.

:)

906. Harry Ballz - May 8, 2014

Andrew Garfield was born August 20, 1983.

He is 30.

907. Marja - May 8, 2014

When they announced the “Amazing Spiderman” reboots a couple of years ago, I thought, “didn’t they just do some Spiderman movies?”

Of course, being a grown person, I was remembering the ancient films with Tobey Maguire of what, ten years ago? as if they were yesterday.

Criminey! Are we going to see reboots of everything every five years?

908. CmdrR - May 8, 2014

Wish they’d reboot Trek to be more like the series.

909. Cygnus-X1 - May 8, 2014

907. Marja – May 8, 2014

Criminey! Are we going to see reboots of everything every five years?

Not “everything,” but the biggest money-makers, if they begin diminishing returns or if the studio doesn’t renew with the star for some reason. I think what happened with Spiderman was that Tobey Maguire and the studio didn’t reach an agreement to continue, and so the studio decided to start over with a new star. But then I guess that one didn’t do so well, so why not start over again a few years later? I guess the 2nd reboot did well, so they decided to continue on with that model.

If Robert Downey, Jr. decides he’s had enough of the Iron Man gig, we might well see an Iron Man reboot. Or Chris Helmsworth and Thor. X-Men has already been rebooted. I just saw a trailer for a new X-men. This one looks like a transition movie a la ST: Generations. Some of the original cast are back, and then there are younger versions of Xavier and Magneto also. Jennifer Lawrence has replaced Rebecca Romijn as Mystique. Talk about slumming it. Anyway, I’m happy for them that they’re getting the work, but I couldn’t care less about the movie.

910. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - May 9, 2014

Hello all.

Ok. Let’s reboot M.A.S.H Then reboot Welcome back Carter. Then W.K.R.P and then I dream of Genie.
Lol. To many reboots and not enough fresh ideas.

I have not seen Spiderman yet. May just wait till it comes out on Blu-rey.

911. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - May 9, 2014

I am Very Much Looking forward to seeing the greatest Monster of all time.
God Zilla. Looks to be an Awesome Movie.
God Zilla would make mence meat of any other Monster out there. The Clover field Monster would be just a Nusience to the Great God Zilla!. Lol

Also looking forward to seeing. X Men. Days of future’s past. Looks to be good.

912. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - May 9, 2014

Is it time to reboot Star Wars yet.
Oh wait. They did that.

913. AJ - May 9, 2014

I am waiting for some bright spark to re-boot TNG.

Kinda don’t ever want that….

914. Aurore - May 9, 2014

I haven’t watched “Новый Человек-паук 2: Высокое напряжение” yet.

[From what I saw (partly thanks to AJ's link yesterday), and given what I heard so far, I am in no hurry to do so, I must say.]

As far as “reboots” are concerned, a few years back, I learned the following while listening to Mr. Plinkett’s review of Star Trek (2009) :

“Over 96 % of films released by Hollywood in the past 2 years have been remakes, reboots or reimaginings.”

( Part One . Starts at 8 :10 ) :

http://trekmovie.com/2010/09/01/red-letter-media-takes-on-star-trek-2009-and-likes-it/

…I hoped I had misunderstood his meaning when I heard him say this :

….I sh*t you not. I did not make up that statistic…

(I wished he had…)

:)

915. AJ - May 9, 2014

Yo-kay, folks…Looks like we’re movin (to paraphrase Neil Young) from the middle of the road, heading straight for the ditch…

http://collider.com/star-trek-3-roberto-orci-director/

916. Aurore - May 9, 2014

“…Looks like we’re movin (to paraphrase Neil Young) from the middle of the road, heading straight for the ditch…”
__________

:)

…As someone would say ; ” Yo mayo! “… :

(From the Collider article) :

Paramount Pictures is nearing its director choice for Star Trek 3, and the name is sure to make plenty (rightfully) wary of the upcoming sci-fi sequel….

Well, IF it really happens, hopefully ” they ” know what they are doing…

917. Harry Ballz - May 9, 2014

Orci is directing #3?

I can hear the title now………………………………

Star Trek: Rehashed Shit

918. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - May 9, 2014

Harry. it’s Star Trek. The 2nd Wrath of Khan.
Or. Star Trek. Khan again!.
Star Trek. I Khan you.
Star Trek. The Khaning of Kirk.
Lol

919. Disinvited - May 9, 2014

#918. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire – May 9, 2014

You are forgetting K&O said this is hip hop screenwriting,

STAR TREK:THE GRAPES OF WRATH OF KHAN

920. Spockchick - May 10, 2014

@911 Emperor Mike

All the buses in Edinburgh have Godzilla Ads on at he moment. I wonder if the big lizard crushes a bus in the film?

921. Marja - May 10, 2014

914 Aurore, OMG I LOVE MR PLINKETT.

Something about the way the guy talks, just–

I laughed myself SILLY.

He has great points about Trek, too.

922. Cygnus-X1 - May 10, 2014

921. Marja – May 10, 2014

Plinkett is the best. His Trek reviews are awesome. His Star wars reviews are even better!

919. Disinvited – May 9, 2014

STID was a bit of a Khan job.

923. CmdrR - May 10, 2014

917 – He tasks me…

“Khanna-Gotta-Da-Sequel”

“I Khan’t Believe It’s Not Better”

“Spider-Khan: The Reboot III”

924. Disinvited - May 10, 2014

In the next Trek it will be discovered that Khan’s mental acuity was affected by his centuries of exposure to the inter-stellar wind,

Star Trek Khan Dull in the Wind

925. Harry Ballz - May 10, 2014

The next movie will be a musical with the break-out hit number…….

ANYTHING YOU KHAN DO I KHAN DO BETTER

926. Cygnus-X1 - May 10, 2014

923. CmdrR – May 10, 2014

“I Khan’t Believe It’s Not Better”

That’s funny.

927. Cygnus-X1 - May 10, 2014

924. Disinvited – May 10, 2014

Star Trek Khan Dull in the Wind

GROAN!

928. Marja - May 10, 2014

Star Trek: “Three in the Khan.”

929. Disinvited - May 10, 2014

#927. Cygnus-X1 – May 10, 2014

Meanwhile, back in the Prime Universe, Khan returns to claim ownership of planet Genesis as he claims it literally is him,

Star Trek Khan Deed

930. Cygnus-X1 - May 10, 2014

929. Disinvited – May 10, 2014

Khan didn’t need those Ceti Eels to make Chekov and Terrell obedient in TWOK.

All he needed was a few your puns. ;-)

931. Disinvited - May 11, 2014

#930. Cygnus-X1 – May 10, 2014

Unfortunately, unlike those slugs, they do leave some Marx.

“Last night, I shot a Bird of Prey in my pajamas.
How it got into my pajamas, I’ll never know.”

Chekov: We have to use this bridge structure to reach the engines.
Scotty: Viaduct.
Chekov: Why a duck?

932. Cygnus-X1 - May 11, 2014

931. Disinvited – May 11, 2014

Unfortunately, unlike those slugs, they do leave some Marx.

A Kapital offense?

933. Disinvited - May 11, 2014

#932. Cygnus-X1 – May 11, 2014

DOS Kapital

934. Aurore - May 11, 2014

“….But Orci’s involvement as the Captain of Star Trek is troubling for other reasons. His screenplays are heavily tailored to match studio interests and appeal to the widest possible audiences, resulting in mostly bland and forgettable scripts. Moreover, his controversial ideologies sometimes bleed heavily into his work, as evidenced by all the “false flag” stuff from Into Darkness…”

http://collider.com/star-trek-3-roberto-orci-director/

___________________________

…If “his screenplays are heavily tailored to match studio interests”, I am of the opinion that his so-called “controversial ideologies” would be approved by the studio if they were to “bleed heavily into his (future) work “. It is not to imply that the studio would share his…”ideologies”.

My point is as follows; would the “‘false flag’ stuff” (the author of the Collider article is mentioning) have found a way into the last movie, if the studio had had a problem with it? If the studio had considered his views to be too “controversial” for a movie…destined to appeal to the widest possible audiences ?

I doubt it. *

___________

*

“…But every few weeks during dailies I would see a new email chain go around with stuff like ‘Did you see that scene yesterday?’ ‘Did you see Spock in that new close?’ ‘Did you see Cumberbatch make it sound like poetry?’ So to hear other people chattering about it is encouraging. And it’s big. It’s so big. It’s epic. We just really went for a bigger version than we did last time, because of the trust.”

http://trekmovie.com/2012/07/14/exclusive-interview-roberto-orci-reveals-star-trek-sequel-character-details-talks-title-post-production/

P.S. : I said it before, I’ll say it once more ; Mr. Orci is entitled to his opinions.

935. Harry Ballz - May 11, 2014

“Mr. Orci is entitled to his opinions”

Not when a budget of $200 million and the reputation of an iconic franchise is a stake.

We’re not talking about amateur theatre being performed in a barn with a bunch of friends on a shoestring budget.

This is big league stuff and amateur wanabees need not apply.

936. Harry Ballz - May 11, 2014

“at stake”

937. Aurore - May 11, 2014

“’Mr. Orci is entitled to his opinions’

Not when a budget of $200 million and the reputation of an iconic franchise is a stake…”
______

I was only referring to what the person who wrote the Collider article alluded to ; “the ‘false flag’ stuff from Into Darkness”.
There have been many off-topic discussions on this site in which Mr. Orci shared some of his opinions.

If I remember correctly, some of those conversations occured long before Mr. Abrams accepted to direct the sequel, which means that Mr. Orci’s views on some matters were, I think, well known…

“…We’re not talking about amateur theatre being performed in a barn with a bunch of friends on a shoestring budget.

This is big league stuff and amateur wanabees need not apply.”

I don’t disagree.

Regardless, I am merely saying that I thought he was entitled to his opinions a long time ago, and, I still do.

938. Harry Ballz - May 11, 2014

Aurore, your opinion on his opinion is, in my opinion, rather opinionated.

(in my best Curly voice)

WOO WOO WOO WOO WOO WOO!

939. Aurore - May 11, 2014

“…your opinion on his opinion is, in my opinion, rather opinionated…”
__________

You should have “seen” me on the “ ‘Star Trek has called me, and I’m going to serve’ Bob Orci Talks Trek on Mission Log Podcast ” thread :

(Posts @ 1093, 1095 & 1096) :

http://trekmovie.com/2013/09/21/star-trek-has-called-me-and-im-going-to-serve-bob-orci-talks-trek-on-mission-log-podcast/

940. Aurore - May 12, 2014

@ 917. Mr. Ballz – May 9, 2014

“Orci is directing #3?

I can hear the title now………………………………

Star Trek: Rehashed Shit ”

________

(Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk….)

Star Trek : Deep Into ‘Organic’ Brown Matter

…In my best impersonation of someone I know :

” I’M POSITIVE IT’S GOING TO STINK TO HIGH HEAVEN!!!!!!! ”

( I still very much hope I’ll be proven wrong, though )

:)

941. Aurore - May 12, 2014

”… ‘I’M POSITIVE IT’S GOING TO STINK TO HIGH HEAVEN!!!!!!! ‘

( I still very much hope I’ll be proven wrong, though )”

_________

Should he actually end directing the movie, of course.

At first we learned he “wanted” to direct.

Now, we hear he is “in talks” to direct. If he directs the movie, hopefully , it will good ; I would not want him to fail in this endeavour…

942. Aurore - May 12, 2014

@ 941. Correction.

“…At first we learned he ‘wanted’ to direct.

Now, we hear he is ‘in talks’ to direct. If he directs the movie, hopefully , it will be good ; I would not want him to fail in this endeavour…”

943. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - May 12, 2014

Star Trek. Khaned Again and again and again and again and again and again.

944. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - May 12, 2014

It’s My Opinion that’s it’s Aurore’s Opinion that it’s Harry’s Opinion that it’s everyone’s opinion that it’s just someone’s Opinion that the next movie will be called. Star Trek Into the Khan Game.

945. AJ - May 12, 2014

Star Trek: Khan’t Smile Without You

Starring Barry Manilow as the megamaniacal1996 superhuman ruler of 40 nations, Khan Noonien Singh…

(And why not?)

946. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - May 12, 2014

Star Trek. You got Khaned.

947. Phil - May 12, 2014

Ohhh…a Star Trek musical….

948. Cygnus-X1 - May 12, 2014

945. AJ – May 12, 2014

He writes the songs that make the whole world Singh?

949. AJ - May 12, 2014

948:

Cygnus, that was just awful.

Mine was, too. I freely admit my guilt.

950. Aurore - May 13, 2014

Mr. Ballz, (@ 925), said the next movie would be a musical with the break-out hit number :

“ANYTHING YOU KHAN DO I KHAN DO BETTER”

Since we ALL agree that ( in the words of Mr. Orci * ) “Khan is the Cadbury Easter egg of ‘Star Trek.’ He is the richest, most delicious, ridiculously sweet Easter egg.”, the title of this Star Trek musical will be :

Star Trek : The Khan-dy Man Khan

…The Khan-dy man Khan ’cause he mixes it with luuurve, and, makes the world tastes goooooood….

( I freely admit my guilt. )
__________________

*
(Link if authorized, here) :

https://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/the-reel-breakdown/check-star-trek-writers-planting-easter-eggs-tribbles-215642312.html

951. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - May 13, 2014

Star Trek Musical with Elvis.

I Khan help. Falling in love. With you.

952. Marja - May 13, 2014

948 Cygnus, Or — Khantinuing in a Very Manilow vein, it could be the song of Bob, apologizing for STiD:

I write the wrongs, I write the WROONNNNNNGS!

953. Spockchick - May 13, 2014

@ All

I love Barry, just saying. Too much surgery now though.

954. Disinvited - May 13, 2014

#952. Marja – May 13, 2014

Singh,
Singh out LOUD,
Singh out proud!
Don’t worry that he’s not good enough for anyone else too here.
Just Singh! Singh a Soong!

955. Harry Ballz - May 13, 2014

I’m beginning to regret suggesting a musical.

Tell me, how do I remove puke from my computer screen?

956. Aurore - May 13, 2014

“…Tell me, how do I remove puke from my computer screen?”
_________

Lick it .

957. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - May 13, 2014

Feed it to Erica, She loves it.

958. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - May 13, 2014

Star Trek. I Khan Smile with out you. I Khan Live with out you. I Khan Sing and and I Khan Live.

959. Aurore - May 13, 2014

@ 955.

Seriously.

Lick it .

Then…puke again.

Believe me ; it’s always better the second time around……um…I mean… at least, that’s what I heard…

:)

960. Aurore - May 13, 2014

Fine.

If not a musical, why not a… ” conspiracy movie ” ?

Star Trek : Khan’t Handle The Truth

961. Disinvited - May 13, 2014

#960. Aurore – May 13, 2014

Why not a Khan’s piracy movie?

962. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - May 13, 2014

How about a Horror Star Trek.

Star Trek. The Walking Khan Dead.

963. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - May 13, 2014

Star Trek. Zombie Khan!.

964. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - May 13, 2014

Star Trek. Children of the Khan

965. Disinvited - May 13, 2014

#962. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire – May 13, 2014

Never joke about an Augmented Zombie Apocalypse!

STAR TREK Chaka Sulu Khan

966. Cygnus-X1 - May 13, 2014

I don’t know how much more of this I Khan take.

The “Khan” character was never augment to be used this way.

967. Disinvited - May 13, 2014

From the Rolling Stonns(sic):

I Khan get no, satisfaction.
I Khan get no, satisfaction.

‘Cause I tried.
And I tried.
And I tried.

I Khan get no!
Satisfaction!

Hey! Hey! Hey!

968. Harry Ballz - May 13, 2014

@956 Aurore “Lick it.”

Aurore, I appreciate how you give short specific directions.

During a heated moment, it’s good you get right to telling a person what you want them to do.

It would be fun to act out the whole alphabet with you.

I’m good at dotting the “i’s” and crossing the “t’s”.

969. Marja - May 13, 2014

Who’s the pasty-white pick who’s an Augment to all the chicks?
Singh! [Khan you dig it?]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFvRvSxsW-I

I have just spent such a fun hour listening to the soundtrack of “Shaft,” all thanks to this very bad pun. Great soundtrack by Isaac Hayes — jazzy and soulful.

970. Cygnus-X1 - May 13, 2014

969. Marja – May 13, 2014

pasty-white pick?

971. Aurore - May 14, 2014

@ 968. Mr. Ballz – May 13, 2014

” @956 Aurore ‘Lick it.’
Aurore, I appreciate how you give short specific directions…”
____________

What can I say?

I always really wanted to… “direct ” …

My gift for it is such that I could actually tell you what to do and literally direct a ( Star Trek ) movie, at the same time…

:)

“…During a heated moment, it’s good you get right to telling a person what you want them to do.
It would be fun to act out the whole alphabet with you.
I’m good at dotting the ‘ i’s’ and crossing the ‘ t’s ‘.”

…Well, then… ” ACTION ” !

972. Harry Ballz - May 14, 2014

………and we’re done. How was it for you? :>)

973. Aurore - May 14, 2014

@ 972. Mr. Ballz – May 14, 2014

“………and we’re done. How was it for you? :>) ”

_________________

I feel like a successful first-time director.

But, half an hour from now, will my work be considered a one-hit wonder ?

…Or, will I be able to do ” it “… again ?

Only time will tell…

974. AJ - May 14, 2014

Speaking of first-time directors, seems ORCI GOT IT:

http://io9.com/roberto-orci-will-make-his-directing-debut-with-star-tr-1576312423

975. Aurore - May 14, 2014

” Speaking of first-time directors, seems ORCI GOT IT…”
________

Indeed, AJ .

(I read about it several hours ago) :

http://trekmovie.com/2014/05/13/roberto-orci-named-director-of-star-trek-3/#comments

976. Marja - May 14, 2014

970, Cygnus, as opposed to “who’s the black dick [detective] who’s a sex machine to all the chicks?” SHAFT! “can ya dig it?”

Pasty-white [because that was the appellation given to Cumberbatch, who was “picked” over an actor of South Asian descent.

Man, explaining my in-jokes is hard. B/c often they’re in-jokes I have with myself alone ….

977. Marja - May 14, 2014

in-joke, thine other name is obscurity ….

978. Cygnus-X1 - May 15, 2014

976. Marja – May 14, 2014

Marja, that in-joke was extremely “in.” ;-)

979. Cygnus-X1 - May 15, 2014

If that joke was any more in, it would out on the other side of you.

980. Marja - May 15, 2014

980 Cygnus, bless you for not saying “the other end” … ;-)

981. CmdrR - May 15, 2014

Come on, guys. Kayla posted some news.
Let’s hit that article with some classy posts.

That is, unless you want Trekmovie to become nothing but Orci selfies.

982. Cygnus-X1 - May 15, 2014

980. Marja – May 15, 2014

980 Cygnus, bless you for not saying “the other end” … ;-)

Marja. You lost me again, girlfriend.

983. Aurore - May 16, 2014

[ Initially, I wanted to post the following comment here , I ultimately decided to post it on the "ORCI GOT IT " thread, (as well) ] :

Why ‘Star Trek’ fans are upset that Roberto Orci will direct ‘Star Trek 3′

(Link if authorized, here) :

http://popwatch.ew.com/2014/05/14/star-trek-3-orci-directing-rage/

“…Roberto Orci is one of those people who is simultaneously unknown and infamous. Why? Because: Internet etc, etc…”

“…Which means we probably have two years until we really see what a Roberto Orci Star Trek movie looks like — and two years of ambient skepticism or outright hostility about what a Roberto Orci Star Trek movie could be.”

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87. boborci – January 30, 2012

82. We dont pretend it never happened.We just know that only 3 percent of trek fans even post, and of that 3, less than half didn’t like uhura/spock, and the half of the three represents less than one percent of the general audience. Sorry.

http://trekmovie.com/2012/01/29/orci-explains-star-trek-sequel-script-polish-reveals-bit-on-time-passed-between-films/

….”Only 3 percent ” of Star Trek fans post.

[Or, at least, it seemed to be the case, at the time (according to Mr. Orci) .].

That is one of the reasons why, regarding the last two Star Trek movies I, personally , never considered what could be said on the Internet ( ” good ” or “bad ” ) , as an issue.

Moreover, being skeptical of Mr. Orci’s abilities to direct a movie can be done without hostility ; remaining civil while disagreeing is a… choice.

…As is focusing/writing articles/posts on the “one percent of interactions ” * which may occur online…sometimes…

:)

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( Posts 1019 & 1028 ) :

http://trekmovie.com/2014/04/22/orci-and-kurtzman-to-end-film-partnership-orci-lobbying-to-direct-trek-3/#comments

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P.S. : Star Trek ( 2009 ) revived my interest in the Star Trek franchise. And, years ago, reading a few negative reviews, articles etc, about it did not prevent me from enjoying the film… when I finally got a chance to watch it…

Today, I still consider it as an almost perfect film.

984. Aurore - May 16, 2014

Home suh-weet home…

Boca Raton’s most expensive home has Star Trek and Call of Duty-themed rooms :

( Link if authorized, here ) :

http://www.engadget.com/2014/05/15/boca-raton-mansion-geek-themed/

985. crazydaystrom - May 16, 2014

984. Aurore

“Home suh-weet home…”

Yeah sure, pretty cool. Nice place to visit but I wouldn’t want it in my house. Even if I could afford to do that I just wouldn’t. I own a fair amount of Trek stuff – books, ships, dvds & blu-rays – but I’m not the kind of fan that owns a uniform. Different strokes for different Trekkies.

Or I should say- IDIC!

986. Aurore - May 16, 2014

“Home suh-weet home…”
________

…Well, it does not look that ” suh-weet ” to me, in fact.

But, why not ?

:)

987. Aurore - May 16, 2014

“…Nice place to visit but I wouldn’t want it in my house. Even if I could afford to do that I just wouldn’t. I own a fair amount of Trek stuff – books, ships, dvds & blu-rays – but I’m not the kind of fan that owns a uniform. Different strokes for different Trekkies.

Or I should say- IDIC! ”
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:))

Right after my post @ 984, that’s what I was about to add…sort of…

Well, since my post ( @ 986 )is not where I expected it to be…

….Addendum :

I do not own a fair amount of ” trek stuff ” apart from The Original Series and some of the Star Trek movies .

And, I don’t own a uniform.

:)

988. CmdrR - May 16, 2014

Lt. Aurore is out of uniform.

I order her confined to my quarters.

989. AJ - May 17, 2014

Looks like our best hope for a “Trek” -type buzz in the next year will come from “Interstellar” in November:

http://gizmodo.com/the-first-full-length-interstellar-trailer-is-spectacul-1577493497

I still find Christopher Nolan’s films mildly annoying (Three Batmen the dream thingy one), but this one looks kewl.

990. Aurore - May 17, 2014

Thank you for the link, AJ !

991. Marja - May 17, 2014

Thanks AJ

DAYUM that looks good!

And I like McConoughay so his starring in the film will [for me] be great.

992. AJ - May 17, 2014

I always thought Matthew McConaughey was just a running gag on Family Guy (like when Stewie has the air traffic controller land MM’s private jet in the ocean because he’s a bad actor). However, after True Detective, he has my complete and utter respect. He just nailed that role and performance.

The new film looks dead serious, potentially wondrous and terrific, and that warp bubble (?) looks awesome.

Sometimes, the JJ/Orci junta doesn’t realize that ‘Star Trek’ is allowed to provide a sense of wonder. Space is the final frontier after all. TMP hints at it, and TNG made a regular point of reminding us. Looks like “Interstellar” may do that for us later this year.

993. Marja - May 18, 2014

Yeah, McConaughey [whose name takes concentration to spell right] was excellent in “Dallas Buyers’ Club,” “Bernie,” and “Tropic Thunder.” I haven’t seen “Mud” or “True Detective” yet, but plan to.

I agree with you on the sense of wonder thing, although I have to say I had a sense of wonder at the interior of the volcano. [That the Vulcan was in the volcano brought a sense of wonder too, but the WTF kind of wonder.]

For those who’ve not seen it, “Godzilla” [or "Gojira" as I prefer to call him] made for a great genre movie! I really liked how the director impressed on the audience how massive a monster is!

And the score, part of it based on the 1956 original by Japanese composer Akiro Ifukube, was excellent. Listen for those Ifukube rhythms!

994. Cygnus-X1 - May 18, 2014

re: Interstellar

It’d be nice if the trailer gave us some hint as to what the movie is about beyond the premise of a food shortage on Earth and a need to find another habitable world. Does McConaughey just fly around for a long time and finally find a planet? Does he get into pew pew dog-fights with alien spaceships? Does it become McConaughey alone against the elements, a la Cast Away.

In other words, what kind of movie with what sort of tone does this turn into after McConaughey leaves the Earth in Act 1? I appreciate the mystery of it all; I just don’t want to be badly disappointed.

995. Harry Ballz - May 18, 2014

@994

Cygnus-X1, I smell the likes of Contact (Jodie Foster) all over again.

Not good enough, damnit, not good enough!

996. Cygnus-X1 - May 19, 2014

995. Harry Ballz – May 18, 2014

Cygnus-X1, I smell the likes of Contact (Jodie Foster) all over again.

That’s what I was thinking.

I actually enjoy Contact up until the end, but maaaaan, what a let-down. That movie might be the biggest let-down of all time. The fall was equal in distance and impact to the build-up, and the build-up was great!

997. Spockchick - May 19, 2014

@ 99 Harry Bz, @996 Cygnus-X1

I loved Contact, I thought the ending was very bold.

998. Harry Ballz - May 19, 2014

Spockchick, your bold left me cold! :>)

999. Basement Blogger - May 19, 2014

Here’s the short review for Godzilla 3D. It’s one serious movie. Seriously. No levity in this movie unless you count a scene where a monster levels Las Vegas. Consequently, not much fun but it’s still very tense. That’s good.

Skip the 3D version. It’s a conversion from 2D. No popping effects. And the movie is too dark, i.e., picture wise.

The grade is B.

Here’s the full review with trailer.
http://berniebasementblog.blogspot.com/2014/05/godzilla-3d-review.html

1000. Aurore - May 20, 2014

Regarding Star Trek Into Darkness…and fans ( an opinion ) :

Link if authorized, here :

http://popwatch.ew.com/2013/09/19/star-trek-into-darkness-jj-abrams/

“…The fanboy as a species is skeptical of anything which threatens the sanctity of a mythology. (There’s an aspect to the Into Darkness haters that reminds you of elderly Catholics who think everything went downhill after Vatican II.) That’s why the first Star Trek reboot is the most carefully architected retcon ever, with a time travel plot that didn’t really make any sense but allowed Leonard Nimoy to come onscreen and basically tell the fans, ‘Don’t worry: The fictional stories you grew up with are still ‘real’ in the context of this fictional world that is not real.’ And, in a fascinating interview at Grantland, Lindelof obliquely implies that was the purpose of adding Khan into the sequel:

We either do it now, and we do it as much of a touchstone back to that original movie as possible, so that no one will ever ask us after this movie comes out again, “What are you doing from the original series?” Because it’s like, that’s all they were really asking us, is “When are you going to do Khan and how are you going to do Khan, and how reminiscent of The Wrath of Khan is it going to be? Are you doing ‘Space Seed’ or are you doing Wrath of Khan or are you doing both or whatever?”

So the creators added in Khan because they thought people wanted to see Khan; at the same time, they wanted to surprise people….etc, etc, etc…
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From the Grantland interview mentioned above :

Link below, if authorized :

http://grantland.com/features/a-not-brief-conversation-damon-lindelof-writer-lost-prometheus-star-trek-darkness/

…So we’re talking to that audience for this movie, which is, you know: “Hey, Benedict Cumberbatch is a bad guy who blows shit up, and Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto are going to go and get him!” The other conversation, which is the conversation that we find ourselves having 100 times for every one time that the other conversation takes place, because they don’t care, is: “Is it Khan? Are you doing Khan? Don’t do Khan! You guys shouldn’t do Khan! You have to do Khan.” Like, it’s just all different iterations of that conversation, and that started during the first movie, [which] was: “Are you going to do it? Don’t do it! Do it!” Just all that.

And that’s the worst thing you can say to someone. I mean, I’m not — I like watching sports, but I’m not good at them, but I consider myself to be highly competitive, and J.J. and [Into Darkness co-screenwriters] Bob [Orci] and Alex [Kurtzman] and [producer] Bryan [Burk] are all like-minded like that, and it was just — we were getting briar-patched, you know? It was a good old-fashioned Brer Rabbit–ing, when people were saying to us, “Don’t do it.” It was like: We either do it now, and we do it as much of a touchstone back to that original movie as possible, so that no one will ever ask us after this movie comes out again, “What are you doing from the original series?” Because it’s like, that’s all they were really asking us…etc…

1001. Aurore - May 20, 2014

@ 1000. Correction.

…So the creators added in Khan because they thought people wanted to see Khan; at the same time, they wanted to surprise people….etc, etc, etc…

=

…So the creators added in Khan because they thought people wanted to see Khan; at the same time, they wanted to surprise people….etc, etc, etc…”

1002. Cygnus-X1 - May 20, 2014

1000. Aurore – May 20, 2014

I and others have been very specific about the things that we don’t like about STID. That article trying to assign us its own motives is totally off the mark.

1003. CmdrR - May 20, 2014

Maybe if Paramount could field a movie more than once every eon, we wouldn’t feel so let down when one kinda stinks.

STID… was a popcorn chomper. To claim more is totally presumptuous. It made money, which is what it was designed to do. It is not a film for the ages. The sfx will age. The story is a patchwork of better movies. The emotional points are un-earned. But, it made money.

I predict 100% chance the same strategies will hold true for ST3PO: Federation vs. Empire. Whoever wins, the fans lose.

1004. Aurore - May 20, 2014

To be fair, Roberto Orci did say Star Trek Into Darkness was a popcorn movie…(to my knowledge at least) once :

I have to ask, there’s been a good amount of discussion over Into Darkness feeling like a post-9/11 allegory. Was that a conscious decision?

Orci: You want to be careful with a popcorn movie not to hit anyone over the head with an answer to something. We always wanted to respect Gene Roddenberry‘s original vision, which was to echo and represent what’s happening. What happened during the original show? You had civil rights and women’s rights, which were represented by Uhura. You had the Cold War represented by Chekov. There’s the young captain, sort of, representing John F. Kennedy. Star Trek always represented the flavor of what was happening back then. In this movie, it was about representing what’s happening today. What is happening today? Well, there’s terrorism, war, and various things where…you just want to raise the questions, not take a stand and being didactic. We wanted to represent the world like Gene Roddenberry did.

Link if authorized, here :

http://filmschoolrejects.com/features/alex-kurtzman-bob-orci-star-trek-into-darkness.php

1005. Aurore - May 20, 2014

@1004.

What is happening today? Well, there’s terrorism, war, and various things where…you just want to raise the questions, not take a stand and being didactic. We wanted to represent the world like Gene Roddenberry did.

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Speaking of Gene Roddenberry, in a 1986 interview, here is what he had to say :

Link below if authorized :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng8evd2Dt6I

( “Interview aired Friday November 21, 1986 as the concluding segment in their ‘Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home’ promo week.” )

Starts at 2 : 30 :

…We were the only show for example during all of the dreadful Vietnam affair…only dramatic show that ever talked against Vietnam… As in the case of Jonathan Swift, we set it on another planet…Mass communication is our language today, between one another. And, we can’t say ; ” Well, let’s not really talk about anything serious on Television…

…In my opinion, the audience is way ahead of our government leaders. I think the government leaders should catch up with the audience. And then, we’d have 21st century dreams, right now.

1006. Basement Blogger - May 20, 2014

Today’s shameless attempt to drive up traffic on this site. What viral video should I post? Should I post kittens hugging dog or UFO attacking the Taliban?

Hmmm…. science fiction website. UFO attacking the Taliban, it is. Love what the Marine says in the video. “What the …. was that?” or something like that. By the way I vote hoax or some super drone. Need a source, Daily News..

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/video-claims-ufo-attacked-taliban-camp-afghanistan-article-1.1784840

1007. CmdrR - May 20, 2014

I must type quickly. I don’t know when the guards will be back. I cannot tell you how unspeakably they are treating me. I don’t know how long I can hang on. All I did was link when not authorized. Please, if you know anyone in Seal Team Six, I need help! To my wife and kids I love them….

1008. Aurore - May 21, 2014

“…All I did was link when not authorized…”
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That’s some scary sh*t, right there.

People should be careful dammit! I myself often worry about them links!

:)

…But, then I (also) remember what was said * on a thread referenced in the article linked to ( @ 983, on this Chat page ) about fans being ” upset ” that Roberto Orci would direct ” Star Trek 3” :

91. boborci – October 8, 2011

88. Me, a hollywood nut ball? I would hope the secret cabinet has bigger fish to fry!

[The comments on that "old" thread where (all sorts of) conspiracies were discussed were interesting, to me. Especially in hindsight...]

But, back to the unauthorized linking stuff ; hopefully, help is on the way!

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*

http://trekmovie.com/2011/10/07/orci-kurtzman-sell-political-conspiracy-western-pilots-abrams-adds-another-movie-project/

( “Orci & Kurtzman Sell Political Conspiracy & Western Pilots + Abrams Adds Another Movie Project)

1009. Marja - May 21, 2014

1007 wtf, people link here all the time!

Wait … you weren’t advocating for the overthrow of

1010. Marja - May 21, 2014

TRANSMISSION INTERRUPTED

1011. Aurore - May 21, 2014

Star Trek news ? :

Canadian team vying for $10M prize by creating ‘Star Trek’ tricorder

:)

Link if authorized…here :

http://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/canadian-team-vying-for-10m-prize-by-creating-star-trek-tricorder-1.1831015

1012. Phil - May 21, 2014

@1002 We?? Got a mouse in your pocket? :-)

1013. Aurore - May 21, 2014

@ 935. Mr. Ballz – May 11, 2014

“ ‘Mr. Orci is entitled to his opinions’

Not when a budget of $200 million and the reputation of an iconic franchise is at stake…”
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We’ll see what he comes up with. Of course.
However, as I said upthread (@ 934); I believe what we’ll see is what the studio will be comfortable with.

Unlike the author of one of the articles I linked to of late, I do not believe Mr. Orci’s “controversial ideologies” will be a problem…as far as I’m concerned, his “ideologies” never were a problem…or he would not have been involved in the writing of the last two Star Trek films.

Besides, he would not have been chosen to write/direct the next movie either, in my opinion.

1014. CmdrR - May 21, 2014

Even stuck in a dungeon after linking without authorization, I can find Trek news…

Where’s the prize for this one??? Nobody’s offering big bucks for late night nom noms at the speed of light?
http://www.techdigest.tv/2014/05/star_trek_replicator_close_to_reality.html

This is the basement Trekkies only wish they lived in…
http://www.trekmate.org.uk/fan-creates-30000-replica-starship-enterprise-suite-in-basement/

And while you’re packing on the pounds in your captain’s chair in the basement, here’s something to wash it all down…

http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2014/05/19/2979058/broadcast-booze-tv-shows-get-into.html

1015. Aurore - May 21, 2014

“Even stuck in a dungeon after linking without authorization, I can find Trek news…”
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Thank you for the links, CmdrR.

1016. Aurore - May 22, 2014

Not long ago, there were news pertaining to the cast of the next…Star Wars movie.

Recently, Mr. Abrams announced he is offering a fan the chance to film a cameo appearance on Star Wars Episode VII :

“…Entry into the prize draw comes at a cost.

The competition is part of the new Star Wars: Force for Change initiative, which has seen the Star Wars producers team up with the children’s charity Unicef.

Abrams and his team are asking fans to make a financial contribution to the charity in return for entry to the prize draw, to win the filming experience.

The winner will also get a behind-the-scenes access and opportunities to meet some of the cast.

‘The Star Wars fans are some of the most passionate and committed folks around the globe,’ said the director.

‘We’re thrilled to offer a chance to come behind the scenes as our VIP guests and be in Star Wars: Episode VII.

‘We’re even more excited that by participating in this campaign, Star Wars fans will be helping children around the world through our collaboration with UNICEF Innovation Labs and projects…

…Earlier this week Abrams wrote to the film’s cast and crew saying: ‘Amazing, but true: The world awaits this film.’

He added: ‘Let’s give ‘em something GREAT.’…”

(For more, link if authorized, here) :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/27502028

…As to our beloved franchise, now that we know who will direct the next film, I hope there will be (more) news regarding the upcoming Star Trek movie, as well…

1017. AJ - May 22, 2014

Aurore:

The big geek-news-grab from JJ’s announcement is the all-natural (non-computerized) alien who waltzes by him in the piece. It’s all part of his retro-pre-CGI FX schtick he’s pushing for the new SW film.

1018. CmdrR - May 22, 2014

My dungeon masters bet me I wouldn’t eat one of the eggs from the birds… birds?… on this guy’s back. It’s the only food I’ve seen all day. So, I ate it. Here’s the clip AJ was talking about….

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/67407

1019. Basement Blogger - May 22, 2014

We know Stephen Colbert likes Star Trek. So here’s Patrick Stewart, who’s been on the show a few times with an interview.. Funny stuff. And check out the photo comparison of Stewart as Picard and his recent photo. Clip of the new X-Men movie included. Hold on. You can time travel by just wishing it? Tap those magic slippers.

http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/xnk3xl/patrick-stewart

1020. Aurore - May 22, 2014

“The big geek-news-grab from JJ’s announcement is the all-natural (non-computerized) alien who waltzes by him in the piece. It’s all part of his retro-pre-CGI FX schtick he’s pushing for the new SW film.”

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:))

Thank you for sharing this, AJ.

The man knows what he’s doing ; when I saw the alien next to him on the picture I thought of Star Trek (2009) !

The alien looked realistic. And, on a behind-the-scenes featurette ( “A New Vision” ) from the DVD for the 2009 movie, at some point, Mr. Abrams said that from the start the key to the film was “How do we make this real ?…How do we make the spectacle feel real? “, or something to that effect.

So, yeah ” the all-natural ” aspect of things seems to be his ” schtick “, indeed. It’s been the case for while, apparently. (Not that I’m complaining ; I loved what was done for Star Trek (2009). )

Soon, maybe we’ll see some kind of big geek-news grab from a Roberto Orci announcement,too…

:)

1021. Aurore - May 22, 2014

@ 1020.

So, yeah ” the all-natural ” aspect of things seems to be his ” schtick “, indeed. It’s been the case for a while, apparently. (Not that I’m complaining ; I loved what was done for Star Trek (2009). )

1022. AJ - May 23, 2014

1019:

Thanks for the Colbert link, Basement.

Gotta love Patrick Stewart. He could definitely do another run as Picard in a TNG film. I wonder how long it’d take Paramount execs to come up with the idea that he is a star, and people would really come and see it?

1023. Marja - May 23, 2014

1021 Aurore, Abrams did some of the ST09 lens flares with a flashlight. I do hope JJ can get away from some of the CGI as he does the Star Wars movie. He likes to put “real world” things to use as much as possible.

Back in the day, Industrial Light & Magic did amazing things with ship models. I’m not crazy about George Lucas’s writing, but first the three Star Wars movies looked amazing.

1024. AJ - May 24, 2014

1023:

Marja, the first three Star Wars films set the bar quite high for ships (TMP was also amazing in how it depicted the Enterprise and the Klingon Battlecruisers, but that was because SW had set the new standard).

If you forward to the prequels, especially the battle over Coruscant in the beginning of “Revenge of the Sith” (the last one), it is the absolute definition of bad CGI excess. Just let me gaze for more than a nanosecond at the damn ship before making it do loop-de-loops and explode amongst 4.7 thousand others doing the same thing simultaneously.

I had a problem with JJ’s depictions of ships in ST09, especially the E (and he said he was inspired in his spacedock scene by TMP’s famous reveal). Let us see the thing for a sec before changing scenes. Even the Saturn’s rings ship reveal was way too short IMHO.

I can visualize ships from the early SW films in my head to this day because they were unique and purposeful, and because we actually got to stare at them on the screen. I liked that.

1025. CmdrR - May 24, 2014

AJ —
So, you didn’t like seeing R2 & C3PO tumbling around in the landing bay where the artificial gravity was playing at 45 degrees, sending them tumbling into a 34 miles elevator shaft? Or seeing the ship skid elegantly on its lower hull for 57 miles without tumbling or disintegrating? Or seeing the arc of the planet reveal that it would have to be about 2 miles across at most? Or seeing 3204598745098272 starships all within inches of each other?

What’s wrong with you, man?

1026. CmdrR - May 24, 2014

AJ —
So, you didn’t like seeing R2 & C3PO tumbling around in the landing bay where the artificial gravity was playing at 45 degrees, sending them tumbling into a 34 miles elevator shaft? Or seeing the ship skid elegantly on its lower hull for 57 miles without tumbling or disintegrating? Or seeing the arc of the planet reveal that it would have to be about 2 miles across at most? Or seeing 3204598745098272 starships all within inches of each other?

What’s wrong with you, man?

1027. Marja - May 24, 2014

1024 AJ, I had a problem with JJ’s depictions of ships in ST09, especially the E (and he said he was inspired in his spacedock scene by TMP’s famous reveal). Let us see the thing for a sec before changing scenes. Even the Saturn’s rings ship reveal was way too short IMHO.

I love the NuEnterprise [well, except for the "tail fins"] and would love to have more looks at her myself. I generally had a problem with JJ’s cut-n-run style of editing. I loved the spacedock scene, with its release of docking clamps … how I would love to see a slow turn and impulse attainment of the proper attitude to warp out. Same with the Big Reveal from out of the ocean. How magnificent it was to see the bits; I would love to have seen her going upward, then executing a slow, giant ship-like turn to get to the volcano.

I guess the CGI costs were too high, but as far as CGI costs: I could’ve done very nicely without the ridiculous space dive through the trash scene. Imagine hurtling through a trash field at high speed only to be directed by someone relaying instructions from the Bridge. Whut.

I haven’t seen Star Wars more than eight times, but that first shot of the Star Destroyer is etched upon my mind. What a great shot of the Enterprise such a one could be. THAT’s what the Nibiruans [and we audiences] should have seen. I mean the girl is immense! Let’s see her in all her glory.

1028. AJ - May 25, 2014

CmdrR:

After I read your post, I cringed my way through the first few minutes of ROTS, and God, is that just the pits. Not only is it one big mess of ships just spewed all over the screen like kid’s toys after an earthquake, but seeing Hayden Christiansen act is just so soul-crushing, I wanted to man-cry. Harve Bennett’s cameo as ‘Admiral Bob’ in STV should win an Oscar in comparison to HC’s witless line-reading attempts. What was Lucas smoking at that point in his life to hire this guy?

Needless to say, I shut it off when they reached General Grievous’s ship because I remembered the next bit was going to get even worse.

I mean, the dude plays Darth Vader, for Pete’s sake.

I can’t watch any of those three films ever again.

1029. Aurore - May 25, 2014

“…I mean, the dude plays Darth Vader, for Pete’s sake.
I can’t watch any of those three films ever again.”

_____________

At least… YOU… gave them a chance.
(…Well, I did (try to) watch Phantom Menace, but, couldn’t understand what was going on.)

And, I am still not really familiar with the ” Original Star Wars Trilogy “…

…Anyway… where’s “my ” big geek-news-grab from a Roberto Orci announcement ???…

I want something positive and newsworthy !
Is it too much to ask ?!

:)

1030. CmdrR - May 25, 2014

AJ,

I haven’t told anyone this. I’m so ashamed. But, now I must. Here in this dungeon where I sit for linking without authorization… every night… they make us watch all three SW prequels. They freaking borrowed the rig from Clockwork Orange to pry my eyes wide while my childhood dream is raped over and over again. No one needs to drip saline into my traumatized eyeballs because the tears flow in torrents. It’s EVERY night! I swear I will never link without authorization again if only my tormentors will show mercy…

1031. CmdrR - May 25, 2014

The pod-racer sequence is perfectly paced and doesn’t go on too long at all, since it includes the hilarious two-headed sportscaster and just enough laps so you can really become vested in the action without missing the mesas you might not have noticed the first 73 times around… Anakin’s mom totally does not look like an aging courtesan… I totally doesn’t bother me that all of the technology in the prequels appears decades more advanced than those in the original trilogy…R2D2 could ALWAYS fly, but chose not to later in life… everybody met everybody, but who can remember in an Empire of 25,000 planets?… C3PO’s jokes are so f*@#ing funny… midichlorians; I mean, of course midichlorians; it was staring us all in the face! And why wouldn’t ObiWan forget their name after seeing them in proto-Darth? Anyone would… Hey, you try having your legs burned off by lava and see if you don’t get taller and develop James Earl Jones’s voice, Fella!…

I LOVE THE PREQUELS!!!!!!

**kill me now**

1032. AJ - May 25, 2014

In the ‘real life’ files, I am off to Lithuania tomorrow for a job interview.

Would be a nice bump in salary, and another notch in my “Human Adventure is Just Beginning” belt as I have been to every country in northern Europe many times but never to Lithuania. And, no, Doctor Doom is from the fictitious nation of Latveria.

It’s a small country (3.3m), which has nearly emptied of able-bodied workers somewhat since joining the EU, as many went off to UK to find higher-paying legal employment in 2004-5. Its place in recent regional history is fairly solid, however. I remember the TV Tower events when the USSR was breaking up, and just imagine this happening in your backyard:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_Events_%28Lithuania%29

1033. Harry Ballz - May 25, 2014

Knock ‘em dead, AJ!

1034. AJ - May 25, 2014

Thanks, Harry!

1035. Aurore - May 25, 2014

“Knock ‘em dead, AJ!”
___________

What Mr. Ballz said, AJ!

Take care.

1036. Spockchick - May 26, 2014

Good luck AJ! I read an article in the news recently that young lithuanians are starting to head back to their homeland after saving money up. Also, the girls are very pretty!

1037. CmdrR - May 26, 2014

Sell, AJ!

1038. Marja - May 26, 2014

1028 AJ, Hayden Christiansen can act? Oh … yeah … he must’ve attended the Erica Durance School of Film Artz

Best of luck in Lithuania. I like the way the BBC newsreaders say, Lith-you-ania ….

1030 Cmdr R, “No one needs to drip saline into my traumatized eyeballs because the tears flow in torrents. It’s EVERY night! I swear I will never link without authorization again if only my tormentors will show mercy…”

LOL, yet see what an example you have set for us. Never will we commit your heinous crimes.

1039. CmdrR - May 26, 2014

Show meeeeerrrrrcy….

My tormentors have taunted me with a threeway, only to give me a very very close shave and call me “Stank.” But, the worst thing is that they make me watch ALL of the Real Housewives shows!

It’s INHUMAN!!!!!!!!

1040. Spockchick - May 27, 2014

1039. CmdrR

NOT THE REAL HOUSEWIVES!!!!

You are doomed I say, doooooooooomed!

1041. AJ - May 27, 2014

I am in Lith-you-ania.

Can’t you all tell?

Busy day tomorrow, so it’s off to bed I go.

1042. Harry Ballz - May 27, 2014

AJ, get the job and then celebrate by going out and getting a ( )job and then a ( )job!

M’yeah, that’s what I would do!

1043. Aurore - May 27, 2014

“…I am in Lith-you-ania.

Can’t you all tell?”

________

Sure.

…Something about the way you typed “AJ ” today gave it all out…

:)

1044. Aurore - May 27, 2014

“…Something about the way you typed ‘AJ ‘ today gave it all out…”

_______

…Oh, wait .

You did not type “AJ “, Mr. Ballz did….
So…ahem…it was in the way you typed Lithuania…

(Sorry, I’m better at guessing where you type from during the Christmas holidays.)

:)

1045. AJ - May 28, 2014

Well, it went really well, but it’s all ‘step 1.’ Need to come up with a sort of ‘business plan’ to develop their mineral water (proprietary technology) in a few different markets for a second meeting to occur.

I hit it off with the Managing Director, but he warned of at least two more interviews to come, probably at least one with the Owner/Chairman.

In any case, I will have dinner with the MD here in Klaipeda (Lithuania) in a bit, so it went as well as it possibly could have gone.

And here is the company (website needs work):

http://www.meltwateroriginal.eu/en/

Back in St. Petersburg tomorrow lunchtime.

Because you all need to know this…

Keep on Trekkin’!

1046. CmdrR - May 28, 2014

Horgaff, my guard and yoga instructor, says “Melt Water” is a terrible name for anything you expect Americans to drink.

Berkkendorv, who provides the deep-tissue rub I so desperately need after hours of torture, suggests: “BalticBlast, Lith-YOU’LL Love it!”

1047. AJ - May 28, 2014

CmdrR:

“Baltic Blast” is probably what the locals here hear every time the Russians run war-games across the border in Kaliningrad. Their fleet there is huge, and they have nukes.

1048. AJ - May 28, 2014

LeVar Burton doing some good stuff:

http://jezebel.com/levar-burton-is-using-kickstarter-to-bring-back-reading-1582625609?utm_campaign=socialflow_jezebel_facebook&utm_source=jezebel_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

1049. CmdrR - May 28, 2014

1047 – Nuthin’ quenches after a nukin’ better ‘n “Baltic Blast.” Chock full o goodness that glows.

1050. Phil - May 28, 2014

@1045. Always amused when product labeling includes phrases like ‘original’, as it implies there are others….’Now, with 100% (insert name of favorite ingredient here)’ always gets me asking ‘great, what s**t was in there before’…..

Sorry, slow day. I did get to talk to the mayor of Riverside, though. Nice guy.

1051. CmdrR - May 28, 2014

They showed us “X-Men: Dazed by Future Pez” here in Cell Block Z, after the Iron Maiden concert. I was hoping it was the band, but it was the other kind. Krung, who is the head water-boardist and recreation director, says the movie’s pretty good. Certainly a lot of fun. Patrick and Ian are relegated to sort of minor appearances, giving way to James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender. Nice cameos by someone we know as well as a guy whose name rhymes with toupee.

BTW, found out today the show I’m working on (where I started just six weeks ago) will be suspended for July and August. Fun. Didn’t sound like they’re super confident it will return, either. I loves my career so much I could just shat. Good thing the dungeon is rent free.

1052. Marja - May 29, 2014

1046, Cmdr R., “Melt Water” might go over if there is a picture of a mountain stream descending from a snow-capped peak … and your 1051 “X-Men: Dazed by Future Pez” is LOL, especially if you’re as cynical about “all-platform merchandising” as I am [and I suspect you are].

Hope your show comes back after the two-month hiatus. Maybe they have some re-tooling to do. In which case I hope you are not stuck working with any Tools.

Okay, and I went through the alphabet but haven’t sussed out who rhymes with “toupee.”

1050 Phil, is there a river in Riverside?

1053. Disinvited - May 29, 2014

#1052. Marja – May 29, 2014

Re:River

Not in it per se but it definitely is on the side of the Santa Ana River.

1054. CmdrR - May 29, 2014

It’s his line, saying it bitingly to Shat… “That’s Takei.”

1055. Disinvited - May 29, 2014

#1054. CmdrR – May 29, 2014

And if you mispronounce it, it’s tacky.

1056. Phil - May 29, 2014

@1052. Yes there is, but it’s mostly underground. It has a bunch of flood control dams now, as the Army Corp of Engineers figured out about thirty years ago that if we had another hundred year flood it would leave most of Orange County under ten feet of water. That would make the happiest place on earth not so happy for a bit….

1057. Aurore - May 29, 2014

@ 1048. AJ – May 28, 2014

” LeVar Burton doing some good stuff…”

_______

That’s what I heard :

LeVar Burton’s Reaction as Reading Rainbow Kickstarter Surpasses Goal of $1 Million in Less Than a Half a Day

http://trekmovie.com/2014/05/29/levar-burtons-reaction-as-reading-rainbow-kickstarter-surpasses-goal-of-1-million-in-less-than-a-half-a-day/

1058. Aurore - May 29, 2014

@ 1045. AJ – May 28, 2014

“…Back in St. Petersburg tomorrow lunchtime.
Because you all need to know this…

________

…Well ???

What did you have for lunch?

I need to know this too !

:)

1059. Aurore - May 29, 2014

“…What did you have for lunch?
I need to know this too !”
_________

( It’s May 30, here. ).

1060. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - May 30, 2014

Good Morning Campers.

1061. CmdrR - May 30, 2014

OK, brain-hurtee. I think this is closer to subspace radio than it is to transporters… Anyhoo…

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/30/science/scientists-report-finding-reliable-way-to-teleport-data.html

1062. CmdrR - May 30, 2014

1061 – Lenore the Poisoner in the cell next door says Einstein’s objections to entanglement theory are simplistic and we could use distant particles to communicate to create exact duplicates of ourselves. Of course, she says that would mean we’d either have two of us… (more for frequent flyers)… or have to kill one.

I like Lenore, but I’ve been skipping her butter cookies. My diet doesn’t tolerate fat or arsenic.

1063. AJ - May 30, 2014

1058:

Aurore:

On that day, I had green tea for lunch. No Frills airline, and didn’t want to pay 7 euros for some horrible bagged sandwich product.

Now that you know, you can relax.

1064. Aurore - May 30, 2014

@ 1063. AJ.

“…Now that you know, you can relax.”

________

:))

Oh, yeah…
Yes. I . Can. ( At last!)

1065. Spockchick - May 30, 2014

Saw ‘Edge of Tomorrow’ in Imax 3D tonight.

No spoilers here

Agree with Bernie and others that 3D is pointless. IMAX tho is wonderful, and I loved the film a lot. I’ll review further later.

1066. Marja - May 31, 2014

I think the only film I’ve seen in 3D that truly rated it was “Avatar.”

And maybe a few Pixar things.

Generally I think 3D is stupid, and I would not pay extra for it [except the premiere evening of STiD -- no great shakes at 3D -- I did like the blue ice flurries].

I’m with Spockchick on the IMAX. FinestKind. I really hadn’t heard much of Trek 2009 until I went to the IMAX — dimensions of sound were revealed, and those visuals were bee-you-tee-ful. All Trek deserves to filmed in IMAX — at least the out-in-space portions.

1067. Captain Slow - May 31, 2014

Is it just me or are there very few movies actually being shot in 3-D? All of them these days seem to be conversions.

1068. AJ - May 31, 2014

I found the last two “Hobbit” films to be enjoyable real 3D experiences, especially “Smaug,” which seemed to utilize the format well, from giant bees to big-ass spiders and wacky wine-keg escapes to the Big Guy himself. Kids were ducking in the theater when he spewed, so that means a 3D job-well-done for Peter Jackson.

The whole question as to why it will take 9 hours to watch a series of films based on a book it takes only 3 hours to read is another matter, but the answer to Captain Slow’s good, basic question in 1067 re: 3D conversions would seem to me to be one of cost/benefit.

Why bother paying for the 3D gear and all the ensuing blah-blah when the punters will fork over an extra few bucks and not know the difference? Who will care when it’s on Netflix anyway? And if “Iron Man 3″ sucks, it still made a cool billion with a conversion so what’s the point?

And what will JJ do with Star Wars? Has he announced if he is doing real 3D?

1069. Spockchick - May 31, 2014

OK, ‘Edge of Tomorrow’.

Tom Cruise plays a smarmy army PR twit, doing the rounds of TV news shows inspiring the nation. For reasons unexplained he gets put on the front line to fight the alien enemy, and in scenes reminiscent of D-Day, his first experience is a mass slaughter and he is killed. Except he isn’t. Like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day he is condemned to live the day over and over until he becomes a skilled fighter alongside an alien-busting Rita, who is like Sgt. Calhoun in ‘Wreck-it Ralph’. In fact the whole thing reminded me of her game in that film.

This could have been the equivalent of watching someone else play a one-person shooter, but thanks to great acting and a terrific script, the effect is instead a slow character development exercise. The film is also well-served by clever, sharp editing that zips what could have been repetition along at a clip. The initial scene where Cage (Tom) is revealed to be a total horse’s butt is very well played and there is quality acting by Brendan Gleeson and Bill Paxton, both scary army types with very different personalities. The sound in the IMAX was terrific, properly scary and very, very real. As Marja said upthread the IMAX is hard to beat in the sound stakes.

There are some plot-holes, as there always will be when timey-wimey stuff happens, and the ending was a bit of a head-scratcher for me (although not unsatisfying). Emily Blunt is very believable as a hard warrior-woman. And for once, the CGI is used for a proper purpose. On one final note though, everything in this film is played out under the long-cast shadow of Paul Verhoeven, but I like to think it is homage, not imitation. Solid 4 out of 5.

1070. Captain Slow - May 31, 2014

@ 1068 AJ

I seem to think J.J. said that he would be shooting on film with anamorphic lenses which makes native 3-D impossible (unrelated but I just bought a vintage anamorphic lens for the equivalent of $5! I think I might die). I love the look of film and anamorphic but for a big spectacle movie I would be willing to sacrifice it in order to shoot real 3-D.

1071. AJ - May 31, 2014

1069:

Speaking of the ‘long-cast shadow of Paul Verhoeven,’ I just watched the RoboCop remake from a few months ago, and, while it is not unentertaining, I just don’t get why they bothered. Great talent and a ‘current’ affair (drones) are in evidence, along with select quotes and Basil Poledouris soundtrack cues from the 1987 version, but…WHY?

Not sure if I can handle Tom Cruise in anything else after ‘Oblivion.’

1072. Spockchick - May 31, 2014

@1071. AJ

I body-swerved that. I was pretty sure it wouldn’t have had the sheer gleeful violence at the end, baddies in acid tanks, etc. It is pretty much a perfect film, and any remake was bound to be a pale shadow. Hollywood is in a sorry state when the best action films were made nearly 30 years ago. Everything now is so humourless, and life just isn’t.

1073. Marja - May 31, 2014

1069 Spockchick, there was already a similarly plotted movie with Jake Gyllenhaal about a year ago, and it was quite good. It didn’t have the large-scale violence of a war, but was more suspense-action-oriented, “Source Code.”

1074. Basement Blogger - May 31, 2014

Here’s the short review for X-Men: Days of Future Past 3D. It’s an entertaining piece of comic book science fiction. But you have to accept its rules for time travel. Yes, they can’t get past the grandfather paradox. It’s like this, Xavier and Magneto send Wolverine back into the past to change their dystopian future. Well at least his consciousness. But the future must exist for that happen. Head hur? It’s like that scene in Austin Powers where Basil Exposition just tells you to just enjoy yourself.

And another thing. If Xavier (Patrick Stewart) was disintegrated in X-Men: The Last Stand, then how is his body there in the future? Yes, I know he transferred his consciousness to a comatose body, hopefully a brain dead body in a scene at the end of the credits of that movie. But the same paralyzed body in the form of Patrick Stewart?

If you see this movie, see it in 3D. Director Bryan Singer filmed in 3D. it shows. The live action 3D meshes perfectly with the CGI 3D. Result: Depth and pop. The Quicksilver confrontation with armed guards is worth the price of the premium.

One more thing. We should all be proud of Star Trek because this type of tale has been covered many times. The City on the Edge of Forever. Star Trek: Fist Contact. All Good Things… Tapestry. And get this. It’s more like Star Trek Voyager’s last show “Endgame.”

The grade is A. Here’s the full review with trailer and of course the famous clip from Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me. (1999) courtesy of TrekMovie.

http://berniebasementblog.blogspot.com/2014/05/x-men-days-of-future-past-3d-review.html

And since I’m here. It’s again time for a shameless attempt to drive up traffic. You guys like Came of Thorns, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars and Dr. Who? How about kittens dressed up as your favorite characters from those shows? You got that right. Kittens dressed up as fantasy characters. I know your all very excited about that. I aim to please.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/31/pop-culture-kitties_n_5417723.html

1075. CmdrR - June 1, 2014

Ah, June in the dungeon. Everywhere I look, I see signs of life: the mildew is a dazzling blue-green, the thumb-screw operator exchanges knowing glances with the dung bucket wench, and the roaches are alight with nature’s oldest dance. I hope one and all are enjoying this fine season.

BB – You talked about all the Trek sources, but didn’t mention the actual Trek presence in the movie!

AJ – I like Cruise when he “acts.” When he “stars,” I want to wretch. That goes for his mannequin ex-wife, too. I’ll have to rewatch the good RoboCop now, if I can just get my manacled hands to the computer..

1076. Spockchick - June 2, 2014

@1073.Marja
I saw Scource Code, loved it despite it being rather harrowing.

@1074. BB
Animals dressed in costume FTW! I loved ‘Wookie dog’, and ‘Ewok dog’

@1075 CmdrR

I would say TC ‘acts’ in this one. And how do we spring you? Reruns of ‘Housewives’ would make anyone go caraaaaaaaaazeeeee.

1077. CmdrR - June 2, 2014

Spockchick,
My captors promised to release me if I divulge the whereabouts of Lord Anthony. So, obviously I’m screwed. You may be able to arrange a prisoner swap… me for V. Stiviano, an Herbalife salesman, and three orcs to be named later. Worth a shot.

1078. Marja - June 2, 2014

Bernie, I liked Danaerys TarCatryn particularly. The photographer chose well because science fiction and fantasy fans seem to gravitate toward cats =^..^=

1079. Basement Blogger - June 2, 2014

@ 1075

Cmdr, you are correct. There is a short clip of Shatner as Kirk discussing time travel. in the new X Men film. I researched it and I think it’s from TOS “The Naked Time.”

@ 1076, 1078

Spockchick, Marja,

Glad you like those furry cute creatures. Could you be cat people?

But there’s an evil side to cats. Here it is. CATS THAT LOOK LIKE HITLER!!! Yes, there’s an actual website devoted to this with plenty of “kitlers.” Um…. sorry about that.

http://www.catsthatlooklikehitler.com/cgi-bin/seigbest.pl

1080. Aurore - June 3, 2014

@ 1029.

No big geek-news-grab from a Roberto Orci announcement …yet.

However….

(Links if authorized, here) :

“Turn Down for Spock (Star Trek Stabilized!)” :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nKDQBwpCJg#t=10

http://www.mtv.com/news/1836173/star-trek-stabilized-turn-down-for-what/

:)

…Mon dieu…

1081. Aurore - June 3, 2014

@ 1080

“…Mon dieu…”

________

Leave… “him”…alone ; I’ve got news for you :

Star Wars 7: Lupita Nyong’o and Gwendoline Christie join cast

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/jun/02/star-wars-7-lupita-nyong-o-gwendoline-christie

1082. Spockchick - June 3, 2014

@ 1077 CmdrR

OK, here’s what I got; 1 Ren, 1 Stimpy, 1 Wall-E, 1 Toy-Story Alien (Talking), A ‘Chief’ from BSG (with gun and first aid kit), 1 Spock and Kirk (where no man has gone before uniforms) and six, no sorry, five, no sorry, four — erm one Reeses peanut butter cup.Oh! And a Spanish Buzz Lightyear!

Do you think they will take that?

@ 1079 BB

I am a cat/dog person. I like both :-)

@ Aurore

Awesoome additions to the cast.

1083. CmdrR - June 3, 2014

Spockchick — Hell, I’d take that for me.

1084. AJ - June 3, 2014

Nice Trek diversion

http://io9.com/top-10-least-threatening-star-trek-villains-1585428421?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebook&utm_source=io9_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

1085. Aurore - June 4, 2014

@ 1084. AJ.

“Nice Trek diversion ”

_____

Yes.

Apart from the “space hippies”, the God who needed a starship, Ru’afo, and Janice Lester, I am not really familiar with the others [ ' heard a lot about "The Ferengi "(online), though].

Thank you for the link to the list.

1086. CmdrR - June 4, 2014

Once again, the Lamestream 21st Century Media gets it wrong.
This is not a tractor beam, it’s a sonic screwdriver.

http://www.examiner.com/article/star-trek-tractor-beam-exerting-scientific-control-real-medical-uses-of-device

1087. Phil - June 4, 2014

Shatner is pitching…wait for it….a weight loss product.

http://www.pr.com/press-release/562242

1088. Harry Ballz - June 4, 2014

@1087

Hmmm, getting a fat pig to promote your weight loss product.

Well, that’s a different approach, for sure!

1089. Marja - June 4, 2014

“The patented, clinically-proven, all-natural ingredient MaCoca™ is exclusive to Slimple and cannot be found in any other herbal weight loss supplements. MaCoca™, a proprietary blend that is derived from a decocainized Coca Leaf is an ingredient shared by only a handful of companies in the world, Coca Cola being one of the select few. Claimed to be the “best kept secret in the world” Slimple is the only weight loss product that contains MaCoca™.”

First, it comes in a “vape” application like an e-cigarette, and second, it contains an ingredient that reminds me of a political scandal involving racial insensitivity [the "Macaca" remark]. So it should be interesting to see how successful [or not] it’ll be. “Slimple” is kinda catchy, but they may trip on that “MaCoca.”

Maybe Shat’s trying to lose weight for an appearance in Trek. God, how happy that’ll make some fans.

Harry, you’re lucky that IDICLives! is not here or she would spank you into next week for saying anything so negative about her idol. Well … we’re all lucky she’s not here.

1090. Harry Ballz - June 4, 2014

Marja, you da best!

:>)

1091. Aurore - June 5, 2014

@ Mr. Ballz.

“Hmmm, getting a fat pig to promote your weight loss product.
Well, that’s a different approach, for sure!”

_________

C’mon. Come ON!!!

In spite of some of the things you are not too crazy about (regarding his acting career etc)…You know you love him just the way he is…no matter what he does…

…Yes you do!

I don’t blame you either…even if I disagreed with you on the “Shatner ‘Star Trek’ scene” ( where Kirk would have appeared as a recording ) :

Posts 5, 19 & 39

:

http://trekmovie.com/2011/05/01/bob-orci-shatner-scene-not-included-in-star-trek-2009-because-of-fan-pandering-poll-was-it/

I still believe Mr. Abrams made the right call for the 2009 movie. And, now that Mr. Orci will direct, who knows what might happen? As long as the movie is excellent, I won’t complain…

:)

1092. CmdrR - June 5, 2014

http://mancave.cbslocal.com/2014/06/05/star-trek-beer-finally-comes-to-the-united-states/

Q’Braaaaap!

1093. Basement Blogger - June 5, 2014

The short review for Trekker Seth MacFarlane’s “A Million Ways to Die in the West.” It’s not consistently funny to see at the theater. MacFarlane straddles the fence between modern sensibilities and a reverence to the western. Blazing Saddles it ain’t. Wait for it to come on pay cable or home video.

Listen carefully for Patrick Stewart’s short narration. The grade is C Plus.

Full review with online trailer featuring Ted introduction along with a link to MacFarlane’s opening for the 85th Academy Awards, the one featuring William Shatner as Kirk.

http://berniebasementblog.blogspot.com/2014/06/a-million-ways-to-die-in-west-review.html

1094. AJ - June 6, 2014

I LOVE this story about James Doohan, especially today:

http://www.startrek.com/article/remembering-d-day-hero-james-doohan

Scotty was the ‘baddest’ dude of them all when he had the center seat, and there’s a reason for that.

What a day D-Day must have been. And for those who died there, and those who are alive today because of it, let’s never forget, and hope it never happens again.

1095. spockchick - June 6, 2014

@ AJ

I had the privilege of knowing a real-life Scotty. My uncle was in the second-wave landings, wet-shod. His job as a nineteen year old in the pioneer core was to pick up bodies and dig. No surprise their cap-badge is a shovel, although obviously meant in an engineering context, not how it ended up. We should never let the memory fade. I love that JD’s cigarette case stopped a bullet. ‘Smoking sometimes doesn’t kill!’

1096. CmdrR - June 6, 2014

Thanks, AJ. I saw Jimmy Doohan many many moons ago at DragonCon — it was at the old Castlegate, before the event swallowed all of downtown Atlanta. He kept a 1.75 litre bottle by his leg during the autograph signings. And it wasn’t water in there. He talked about his finger, but I don’t remember hearing about his other wounds… or the cigarette case that I am SO glad was there.

Thank you, James Doohan, and all who served with you that day.

1097. Harry Ballz - June 6, 2014

I often wonder what James Doohan thought to himself as he watched the Shat wrestle phony monsters while pretending to be a hero.

1098. CmdrR - June 6, 2014

I keep saying that I’m a journalist. This is a story that makes me glad I am.
It’s a D-Day story. Leave a message in the blog if you can…

http://www.gpb.org/news/2014/06/06/georgia-navy-hopeful-revisits-history-to-unveil-mystery-of-fallen-d-day-veteran

http://www.gpb.org/blogs/on-the-story/2014/06/05/living-history

1099. Aurore - June 6, 2014

@ 1094. AJ – June 6, 2014

“I LOVE this story about James Doohan, especially today…”

________

Thank you , AJ.

1100. Aurore - June 6, 2014

“I often wonder what James Doohan thought to himself as he watched the Shat wrestle phony monsters while pretending to be a hero.”

_________

Earlier, I was serious when I said that you loved the man in spite of some of your comments. You say things like that (@ 1097), and yet, on these boards you also stated that you had met William Shatner a few times.

From what I remember, it was at a time when you could have avoided him since you already knew ( according to what you shared ) he was no longer the person you had grown up watching and admiring.

1101. Aurore - June 6, 2014

@ 1100

“Earlier, I was serious when I said that you loved the man in spite of some of your comments…”

_________

…..Well, I always sincerely believed you loved him, anyway.

:)

(I also said that I did not blame you for loving William Shatner ; I myself don’t hate him, so, I wasn’t going to say otherwise…)

1102. CmdrR - June 6, 2014

http://www.howitshouldhaveended.com/

1103. Marja - June 6, 2014

1096 Cmdr R, Jimmy Doohan was the warmest and “realest” of all the Trek stars I met. He was expansive and generous of spirit and his time, and as I recall, addressed us females [in a truly enthusiastic, not patronizing way] as “Darlin’.”

I salute all WWII vets this day. Their courage and sacrifices may never be fully known. They were from a tight-lipped generation who did not brag of their exploits nor mourn their sacrifices. I feel that is sad in some ways, because it leads to people saying things like, “the GOOD war.” Most people use the phrase to mean that the goals were clear-cut and it was a war that needed to be fought, but too many people still have the 1950s and ’60s TV scrubbed-clean version of the war in their minds, and think men trudged and men flew and few fell.

1104. Aurore - June 6, 2014

@ Mr. Ballz.

“…(I also said that I did not blame you for loving William Shatner ; I myself don’t hate him, so, I wasn’t going to say otherwise…)”

________

Sir, to clarify.

My point was that although I wasn’t moved by the scene written for Kirk a few years ago ( which also meant that I disagreed with what you had said upthread on this Chat page @ 455 ), I did not hate William Shatner.

(…And, I certainly do not hate Leonard Nimoy either…)

:)

1105. Harry Ballz - June 6, 2014

Aurore

just to clarify, I don’t hate William Shatner.

When I was a young man, and met Shatner a few times, I was still jazzed by the guy because I grew up watching Star Trek.

As I got older, I came to realize that the Shat was quite limited as an actor. Great in TOS and the first few Trek movies, but shit after that.

To his credit, I just watched Shatner’s world, his one-man show and….it was better than I thought it was going to be.

1106. Aurore - June 7, 2014

@ 1105. Mr. Ballz.

“…just to clarify, I don’t hate William Shatner….”

________

Sir, I know you don’t hate him!!!

…Obviously, my “clarification” post was not that clear after all…I apologise.

By ” I myself don’t hate him…”, I did not mean to imply that I did not hate him… while you did. No. The fact is that I never said the kind of very nice things you did on a possible Shatner cameo….

Therefore, I just wanted to let you know that my disagreeing with you (or other fellow fans for that matter), on the “Shatner scene” or on a cameo in the next movie, had nothing to do with “hate” .

Thank you for your clarification ; I stand corrected.

1107. Harry Ballz - June 7, 2014

“I stand corrected”

Well, sit down and have a rest. Sheesh!

1108. CmdrR - June 7, 2014

What is this Love Shat/Hate Shat crappola?
I would like to see anyone here go out, create a character… and have loyal fans follow him for 30 years in that role. OK, so Shat’s Kirk got old… and dead. That’s no reason to snip at Shat. The franchise has gone through many changes and will continue to go through more. So has Bond, Supes, Bats, Spidy, Dr. Who, and the tiny number of other franchises that have lasted as long. If the studios had wanted to whip Shat back into shape, they could have chosen a director accordingly. They decided it was better to let that chapter recede into the past… like the legions of Supes and Bats who never lasted as long as Shat did in the Kirk spotlight.

We could have gotten Jeffrey Hunter. Personally, I think THAT Trek would have died after two seasons and never made it to the movies. (Hunter passed away in a nasty mishap… or something… in 1969, I believe.) Hunter was a talented and recognized actor. But, his performance was exactly what you’d expect: square-jawed hero type. ShatKirk was FUN! We loved hanging out with Crotchety Bones, Nerdy Spock, and Horndog Diva Kirk. We loved it… and still do.

So… quit it, guys! Be grateful for what we’ve been given.

1109. Aurore - June 7, 2014

@ Mr. Ballz.

@ 1107. Mr. Ballz.

“Well, sit down and have a rest. Sheesh!”

________

Indeed.

…As so-called spiritual leader would say, it’s time to… ” Let it go. ( Sheesh! ) ” .

:)

1110. Aurore - June 7, 2014

@ 1109.

“@ Mr. Ballz.

@ 1107. Mr. Ballz…”

___________

…M’yeah…it’s definitely time to rest…

:))

1111. Disinvited - June 7, 2014

#1097. Harry Ballz – June 6, 2014

Whatever he thought, he probably changed those thoughts when he saw Shatner grab this firehose:

“HOLLYWOOD (API – A major fire shot through Paramount Studios on Thursday, destroying the street set where the “Bells of St. Mary’s” was filmed and damaging the expensive sound stage for “Star Trek III,” authorities said. Two firefighters suffered minor injuries in the fire, which was attended by 33 fire companies as well as water-dropping helicopters, said Ed Reed, a city fire inspector.

Flames destroyed the famed 56-year-old “New York Street,” where “Bells of St. Mary’s,” “Going My Way,” “Chinatown,” “Day of the Locust,” the opening sequences for “Laverne and and Shirley,” “Love American Style,” and all the Jerry Lewis movies, “Breakfast at Tiffany’s,” parts of “Godfather 1 and II,” and “Looking for Mr. Goodbar,” were filmed, said Paramount President Michael Eisner. Besides “New York Street,” the fire destroyed “Boston Street,” “Church Street” and “McFadden Street,” as well as damaging the sound state w here the third “Star Trek” movie was being filmed, fire department spokesman Henry Amparan said. “We came within about 30 seconds of losing the set” where “Star Trek III: The Search for Spock” was being filmed, said “Star Trek” actor William Shatner, who sprayed a set with a hose.

About six acres of the 50 acre studio lot burned wildly before it was brought under control about two hours after it began at 4:02 p.m., said Paramount spokeswoman Susan Pile. Officials said the cause could not immediately be determined. Damage was “in the millions,” Reed said. The fire did not appear to be caused by arson, but the case was under investigation, he said. “It was like a 500-foot-by-500-foot bonfire,” Reed said. “It created a tremendous amount of heat.” Stage 15, where “Star Trek III” was to be filmed, was to be the Vulcan planet and contained 40-foot high rocks to be used in an earthquake sequence, said David Pondella, head of set lighting at Paramount.

“There was solid fire from building to building, a solid sheet, just like a tornado,” Pondella said. “It was roaring.” Amparan said earlier that four sound stages were burned, but later said only two sound stages and part of a third were damaged. A sprinkler system went off on the “Star Trek” stage, causing water damage, Eisner said.

The movie was not being filmed at the time of the fire. Five television shows “Happy Days,” “Cheers” and the new series “Mr. Smith,” “Family Ties” and “Webster” also are filmed on sound stage 15, he said.

“No one was hurt and we will be able to make repairs very quickly without interrupting either present or future production on the lot,” said a studio statement read by Earl Lestz, senior vice president of studio operations. Regarding the Star Trek set, he said, “We’ll get it cleaned up probably tomorrow and be able to start shooting on Monday.” Thick black smoke spread from the studio to adjoining Hollywood Memorial Park Cemetery, where dozens of Hollywood greats are buried, including Rudolph Valentino, Douglas Fairbanks Sr., Paul Muni, Tyrone Power, Adolph Menjou, and Charlie Chaplin Jr.”

http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/64601408/

if only for a fleeting moment before he got to hear Shatner’s modest claim that he did it purely for selfish practical business reasons of saving a day of shooting which would have greatly inconvenienced him if aborted.

1112. AJ - June 7, 2014

Shatner himself has gone through assorted phases during his life, as we all do. His earlier days, including ‘Nuremburg,’ ‘Twilight Zone’ and 3 years of Trek only showed the tip of his propensity to be a ham-fisted ham.

THAT showed itself more in Season 3, and plainly defined the man through the 1970s through the 1990s. Nick Meyer noticeably used fatigue as a tool to control Shatner’s over-the-top-edness in STII, and he became chic again as Denny Crane and as a pop singer in the early 2000s.

Regardless, he is a paragon of ageless resilience, and his contribution to what made original Kirk “tick” is very much in evidence in Shatner himself. Maybe it’s all the more obvious when you see how far off the mark other attempts at Kirk have been, from Chris Pine to James Cawley.

As impressions go, Kevin Pollack wins with this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nttXA8jYwmU&feature=kp

And here is Shatner’s typical clueless reaction to Pollack: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxTxX35aqZA

1113. AJ - June 7, 2014

In my YouTubing, I came across this: Conan O’Brien interviewing George Takei about Shatner, Nimoy & Cumberbatch as Khan vs. Montalban.

VERY funny, and worth a watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY73VAw2e3Q

1114. Disinvited - June 7, 2014

#1112. AJ – June 7, 2014

In the extras disk of 2002’s STIII Special Edition, Nimoy says he’s aware the ham accusation made against Bill but he has always found him to be a consummate actor.

And I really doubt he won 2 Primetime Emmys for excellence in acting in the same role as first a guest and then in supporting, voted on by his acting peers, because they pitied him.

1115. Aurore - June 8, 2014

@ 1112. AJ.

“…Regardless, he is a paragon of ageless resilience…”

________

I agree.

1116. CmdrR - June 8, 2014

Cawley, Pine, and this new guy with the weird voice, Abe Vigoda? Vic Montagna? Whatver… NONE of them would have a paycheck unless Shat had been exactly the way he was… and is.

All of the main TOS Trek characters are a product of the actors, the writers, and the directors, as well as the various Genes, make-up folks, etc. etc.

You cannot reproduce that mix today. Just scan the TV archives and look at the top-rated shows of the 60’s. Few are outshone by later iterations. It was a dynamic style. And it hit us kids where we live.

I’m glad.

I would hate to have grown up with Real B****y Housewives and American Mediocre Singer.

Thank you, Bill Shatner. Thank you to all the folks who put TOS together. You did something right.

1117. Aurore - June 8, 2014

My fellow fans, I hope you all had a wonderful Sunday.

I had a good day, but, made a few mistakes today (yesterday for me, here). And now, I’m tired of standing corrected ; I need to sit down and have some rest…or something…

…Good night, everyone!

:)

( AJ, the George Takei interview was worth a watch. And, thank you for the other links @ 1112, as well. )

1118. Basement Blogger - June 8, 2014

Here’s the short review for “Edge of Tomorrow.” It’s an enjoyable science fiction movie as long as you don’t think too much about it. Charismatic performances from Tom Cruise and especially Emily Blunt. who’s lovely, smart and kicks ass. She ought to get some kind of award for all these time loop movies. (Looper) Still, the movie again has the grandfather paradox problem. The future has to exist for you to change it. Ergo, can’t go back into past to change the future.

Heck, the writers even tell you in a scene that some of the plot problems don’t matter . In a London scene, patrons are asking why are the alien invaders here. Cruise tells them it doesn’t matter.

Skip the 3D version. Another conversion from 2D. No popping effects. And it’s too dark compared to the 2D version. The grade is B.

Oh, Spockchick, thank you for your excellent review. I’m not sure I liked it as much as you. And the phrase “timey wimey” was explained to me by an XBOX buddy who watches Dr. Who.

Full review with trailer and again the clip from Austin Powers explaining time travel in his movie. Yeah, we’re repeating events in time again.

http://berniebasementblog.blogspot.com/2014/06/edge-of-tomorrow-3d-review.html

By the way, we Trekkers have been through all these “new” plots in current movie making. Want a good way to handle time loops. See TNG’s “Cause and Efffect.”

@ 1117

Aurore,

I’m not sure what’s wrong but I hope you feel better. It’s evening here in Cincinnati, and I’m going to play some evil Grand Theft Auto before turning in.

Bonsoir.

1119. Aurore - June 9, 2014

“…I’m not sure what’s wrong but I hope you feel better…”
______

Hi!

I feel rested.

What was…”wrong “… was nothing that couldn’t be “cured ” by a good night’s sleep…

My talking about mistakes I had made on Sunday was yet another shameless ploy to get some attention…

(Thank you for giving it to me.)

:)

….I am so…EVILLLLLLLLL……….

1120. Aurore - June 9, 2014

….Oh, my god !!! :

EDITORIAL: Star Trek V at 25

http://trekmovie.com/2014/06/09/editorial-star-trek-v-at-25/

1121. AJ - June 9, 2014

Here is how Stanley Kubrick dealt with the possibility of a sequel to 2001: A Space Odyssey (Warning: Contains ‘colorful’ metaphors):

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2014/06/07/no-one-messed-with-stanley-kubrick/

1122. Aurore - June 9, 2014

No one ” messed ” with Mr. Kubrick.

I liked ” his ” style ; short and to the point…I wish this letter were real

:))

1123. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - June 10, 2014

Hello everyone. Sorry I have been away to long.

1124. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - June 10, 2014

In a few Days Star Trek Continues airs their 3rd Episode and it’s in My Empire. Long Live the Terran Empire!.

1125. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - June 10, 2014

The Next Star Trek Movie should be called. Star Trek. The Search for more money.
Ooops. Spaceballs already took that. My Bad.

1126. Aurore - June 11, 2014

@ 1122.

“…I wish this letter were real…”

Pray to the (real) God of… “Sha Ka Ree”…and, all your wishes will come true…

1127. Aurore - June 11, 2014

…O you , Sha Ka Ree entity,

This Chat page recently “hit ” 1100 comments.

I would like it to be reset…

1128. Harry Ballz - June 11, 2014

(in my best Pokeman falsetto voice)

SHA KA REE! SHA KA REE!

1129. CmdrR - June 11, 2014

Our Gal Nyota greens up nicely…

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/67606

1130. Aurore - June 11, 2014

@ Mr. Ballz.

“(in my best Pokeman falsetto voice)
SHA KA REE! SHA KA REE!”
____________

What did you do that for ?!

Now, God is intrigued and wants you to perform a little fan dance before considering granting any wishes!

Aaaaah, nevermind.
At least, ” he ” hasn’t begged fo a starship…so far. And, you do have great legs…

So, everything should be alright. I guess…

1131. Harry Ballz - June 11, 2014

Aurore

you are a bad girl. And you know what we do with bad girls, don’t you?

Time for you to shed your clothing and do the dance of the 7 veils.

Oh, and you can skip the veils part.

1132. AJ - June 12, 2014

Harry:

Can you do that ‘best Pokemon falsetto voice’ again?

1133. Aurore - June 12, 2014

@ Mr. Ballz.

“…Oh, and you can skip the veils part.”

______

In other words :

“…Unveil yourself to the fan dance of life , and, you’ll achieve inner contentment and balance…”

I like that.

That’s a nice thought. Thank you for sharing, sir.

:)

( P.S. : what AJ said ; do the voice again. Pretty please?)

1134. Harry Ballz - June 12, 2014

(in same falsetto voice)

“I’m a lover, not a fighter!”

It would have been fun to hear Michael Jackson’s rendition of…….

Don’t Let Your Son Go Down On Me

1135. Harry Ballz - June 12, 2014

Hey, apparently Harrison Ford hurt his ankle while filming the new Star Wars movie. He caught it on the door of the Millennium Falcon.

I’m not kidding.

1136. CmdrR - June 12, 2014

Well, bend me over and Tribble-$*@k me!
The 23rd Century could come early…

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/12/tech/innovation/warp-speed-spaceship/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

1137. spockchick - June 12, 2014

@1135 Harry

Of course, if I saw him in a bar, leaning on a cane and asked what happened:

‘I caught it on the door of the Millennium Falcon’

I would melt in a puddle on the floor, even tho he could be my daddy. Oooh! BE MY DADDY HARRY!

Err sorry, normal service will resume, um, probably never.

1138. CmdrR - June 12, 2014

“Well, bend me over and Tribble-$*@k me!”

Hmmm. I’m getting a bit coarse down in this dungeon. In fairness, though, that’s what my serving wench was doing to me when I spotted the article on warp drive. Now, please would one of you kindly invent transporters and get me the $*@k outta here!

1139. AJ - June 13, 2014

Just caught Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit (Chris Pine as the latest attempt to re-francisify a long-dead property once led by far more capable actors).

As someone who lives in what is considered an ‘exotic’ locale for spy films, I get highly agitated when they show that, for example, ALL the action in Moscow takes place within a stone’s throw of Red Square: The Big Bad’s office, the fancy hotel, the ‘best restaurant in Moscow’ etc. When they show the exterior location of his office, it is actually about 2 miles away from Red Square, but no, it’s actually right there next to “Saint Bayzils” as Chris Pine calls it, along with everything else. Tell me, then why the climax of the film in New York City all doesn’t take place exclusively on Liberty Island or in Times Square? It’s all pretty accurate in terms of where Wall Street is, and access to the FDR Drive and Brooklyn Bridge.

So, why is Moscow done so shoddily? The Bourne film shot there made brilliant use of the local geography, especially for Karl Urban’s car chase.

Rant, Rant, Rant, Blah, Blah, Blah, Chris Pine, Karl Urban, etc. (relevant to Star Trek) and so forth….(!)

1140. CmdrR - June 13, 2014

I am NOT the one who’s going to clean this up…

http://uproxx.com/up/2014/06/its-time-to-settle-lord-of-the-rings-vs-game-for-thrones-once-and-for-all/

1141. CmdrR - June 13, 2014

1140 –
By the way… remember how no one warned us about the Red Wedding?

RED WEDDING!!

1142. Marja - June 13, 2014

139 AJ, I’ve lived in several major US cities, and have been amazed at the movies’ co-location of areas quite distant from one another. Substitution is quite common too, of course: my old condo building in Long Beach CA stood in for Detective O’Neill’s apartment in “Dexter’s” Miami, and many moving-car street scenes for the series were shot on Ocean Blvd, right in the same neighborhood. The Long Beach Marina also stood in for a “Dexter” location in a few episodes.

Thus I was impressed [also having lived in NYC] that “Jack Ryan” kept the action scenes around the Manhattan entrance of the Battery Tunnel, and downtown Manhatttan. Bravo.

Poor Moscow … condensed to a couple of blocks …!

Also … Karl Urban was in a “Bourne” film? Which one? I might watch, in that case!

1143. Marja - June 13, 2014

1135 Harry, well, at least he didn’t tear his rotator cuff, as he did in one of the Jack Ryan movies, or get dysentery as he did during the filming of “Raiders of the Lost Ark.”

You’ve probably heard the story the Arab Bazaar scene, with all the chasing and hiding and escaping, and Indy’s confrontation with the bad guy, who’s showing off his fighting skills?

Ford was too ill and exhausted to do the “Indy bullwhip thing,” so he made that “aw, hell” face and shot the guy — hilarious in the final footage and yet so practical.

Spockchick, I’m with you on Harrison Ford. Er … well …. ummm …..

1144. Marja - June 13, 2014

And shame on “Han” for tripping on the “hatchway” of the Millenium Falcon. He should be made to scrub it with a toothbrush, as we had to do in boot camp!
:-)

1145. AJ - June 13, 2014

Marja:

Urban plays the big-baddy henchman in “Bourne Supremacy.” Not a minor role. Two hours well-spent.

1140: CmdrR: Tolkien’s works are beloved masterpieces of of mid 20th century English literature, whereas Game of Thrones is a TV show based on an ongoing series of long-winded books whose ending is as yet unknown. The show blows away the latest crop of “Hobbit” films, but the first three “LOTR” films are quite nearly untouchable.

1146. CmdrR - June 14, 2014

1145 —
AJ, you dare infer that Game of Thrones is anything less than stellar? I gird on my sword of Valyrian steel, draw in anger and stab at thee up to the hilt.
(Wait, they don’t say “thee” in GoT.)

Oh well. Let’s just sing a chorus of “The Bear and the Maiden Fair” and get stonded on Gandalf’s stash of pipe weed.

I agree that both are excellent. I wish the Hobbit weren’t a bore, but I know I’ll be sitting in a seat this December to wonder at how they stretch the last 80 pages into 2 and a half hours of film.

1147. AJ - June 14, 2014

“stab at thee” is Khan apparently quoting Melville (not John Masefield) in STII. So, it is definitely not GoT, nor is it LOTR (I never read Moby Dick). I did read Tolkien, and the first few pages of GRRM’s first book a dozen times.

Tomorrow’s GoT season finale is 66 Minutes! God created the world in 6 days? Now watch out! Here comes Game of Thrones! We’ll destroy it for you in 66 minutes!”

So that puts that series up to 40 eps and 2406 minutes, which is the length of the next Hobbit film, which covers, yes, I checked, about 86 pages. Thanks, CmdrR!

GRRM has to live to write it all to the end! And HBO keeps approving new seasons! I say, crossover time! Smaug as dad! Daenarys’s three little kiddies fly from Mereen over to Esgaroth for a healthy lunch of eagles, shape-shifters, dwarfs, elfs and men, and Tyrion is Bilbo’s emotional half-brother by a Vulcan princess. Somehow…I’ve always known….

Oh My…

1148. CmdrR - June 14, 2014

1147 –
Dude, your pipe weed is so much better than that sh*t I been smokin’.

All I know is there’s a big dragon in (3 frames of) the GoT S04E10 trailer… and he does not look happy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtA1NIphSbo

And for extra nerd points, the dragons are named: Drogon (red) Rhaegal (green) & Viserion (white)

Not sure whether the title of the ep “The Children” refers to the dragons, the whacky Stark kids, or what…

Don’t tell me. I don’t get to watch until Monday night.

1149. Basement Blogger - June 14, 2014

Here’s the short review for “How to Train Your Dragon 2.” It’s a worthy sequel to the first movie. It’s a little bloated with all those dragons flying around. But once Valka appears (Cate Blanchett) the movie takes flight. The film has much heart. Composer John Powell returns with his soaring themes.

As for the 3D version, it’s worth it. As with most CGI 3d movies, they’re shot in 3D with a virtual camera. There’s much depth to objects. It could use more of a popping effect but the landscapes are spectacular.

By the way Spockchick,, did not know Vikings were Scottish.

The grade is B Plus.

Full review with trailer. Memo to J.J. The trailer spoils a plot point. I didn’t know about it until I saw the movie. It would not have spoiled the movie.

http://berniebasementblog.blogspot.com/2014/06/how-to-train-your-dragon-2-3d-review.html

@ 1119

Aurore, French women always have my attention. I just don’t have a lot to say many times. Now back to Grand Theft Auto and getting killed by ten year olds.

1150. Disinvited - June 15, 2014

#1144. Marja – June 13, 2014

Worse, Ford’s a carpenter who’s been known to work in various capacities as such around Hollywood and the Hollywood elites, before hitting it big and joining their ranks himself. If anyone could spot a shoddy unsafe plywood “hydraulic” door’s construction, you’d think it’d be him

1151. Disinvited - June 15, 2014

It must have been a source of great dismay for Ford to realize that that which had caused him great pain and injury, was akin to that which aided his getting his foot in it in the first place?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/harrison-ford-profile-star-wars-3682911

“…he struggled to pay the bills until he developed a lucrative sideline as a carpenter.

Soon work came flooding in from Hollywood big shots, sadly not for acting, and he earned the nickname “carpenter to the stars”.

But his break came in 1973 when a young director named George Lucas cast him for a tiny part in his film American Graffiti. Back at his day job, he was was building a doorway for director Francis Ford Coppola when Lucas passed by and asked him to audition for his new film – Star Wars.” —
Jun 12, 2014 20:23
By Alun Palmer
MIRROR ONLINE

#1144. Marja – June 13, 2014

I think you’ll get a kick out of this:

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20068340,00.html

“He [Harrison Ford] got fed up playing heavies on The FBI, The Virginians and Gunsmoke, and supported his two sons as a carpenter. He built a $100,000 recording studio for Sergio Mendez and he also reworked a Frank Lloyd Wright house. He still holds a union card but then fell in with the new filmmaker Mafia.” — July 18, 1977, PEOPLE MAGAZINE

1152. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - June 15, 2014

Can’t wait to see Star Trek Continues today.
Long Live the Empire!!!!!!

1153. Aurore - June 15, 2014

“Aurore, French women always have my attention. I just don’t have a lot to say many times…”
________

That’s O.K.

As I said ; I ” wanted ” attention (any type of attention. Pathetic indeed, I know). Not a dissertation…

So, your reply @ 1118 was PERFECT! Thank you again!

:))

“…Now back to Grand Theft Auto and getting killed by ten year olds.”

You’ve got to go back to what you’ve got to go back to….it does sound evil, I must say…

:)

1154. AJ - June 15, 2014

In more seemingly random crossover news, Jason Momoa (Kal Drogo in Game of Thrones) will be playing Aquaman in the upcoming Superman Loves Batman flick.

Aquaman has been decimated by pop culture, both in Family Guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ3HU03u7Ls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsInwh6WtI8

and as a project for the lead character in “Entourage.”

I have no idea what the heck they’ll do with him in the Superman thing. I read somewhere he’ll be angry about the Kryptonian ‘world engine’ Zod left in the Indian Ocean in “MoS”. How exciting does THAT sound?

1155. Aurore - June 15, 2014

“…I have no idea what the heck they’ll do with him in the Superman thing. I read somewhere he’ll be angry about the Kryptonian ‘world engine’ Zod left in the Indian Ocean in “MoS”. How exciting does THAT sound?”
_________

‘Sounds… “exciting”… enough. I cannot WAIT to see angry Aquaman…

:)

…Speaking of “aqua ” and man…Souvenirs, souvenirs :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r94CDD6E8fI

1156. Emperor Mike of the Alternate Empire - June 15, 2014

I just got through Watching Star Trek continues.
Really and I mean really good. It picks up with about a minute before Tos Mirror Mirror Ends with Our Kirk telling Empire Spock about how one man can start a revolution and then they beam out. Then we see the Empire Counterparts arrive and the story begins.
I think this is the best of all of the fan Eps I have seen. Great Story and Great Acting. Oh and Listen to Kirk when he does Space. The Final Frontier.

1157. CmdrR - June 15, 2014

Just watched ST Cont. Fairest of Them All.

Not bad. Certainly, they’ve got the production values down. The casting is good to very good. Todd Haberkorn is a stand-out. (JJ should have him play Ston!) Chris Doohan is a delight. And Michele Specht dispels all that Sulu is gay nonsense. Also, listen closely to the voice of “Mr. Computer.” Viper Mountain seems to have his name in every third credit. Couple quibbles: ISS E looks the same from the outside as USS E; rooms shake but chess pieces don’t topple. But, all in all it’s a solid effort. Had it been earlier in the long chain of fan-produced Treks, I’d have been drooling. It’s just getting harder and harder to see the endless succession of actors taking on the same iconic roles our favs originated in the 60′s. It’s not their fault. It’s just nothing can make me a kid again seeing all this for the first time.

It’s certainly worth 40 minutes of a Trek fan’s time and whatever quatloos people feel like throwing their way.

ps- Of course, the Bajorans are gonna kill Mirror Spock and take over anyway…

1158. CmdrR - June 15, 2014

Good lord, my posts come. They go. They come back. This is dizzying. I think there’s been a transporter malfunction. Or maybe my neck shackle is cutting off the circulation to my….

eeeeehhhhhh…

1159. CmdrR - June 16, 2014

I posted a review of Continues / Fairest yesterday, but there were a number of issues. As of this posting, the previous ones are not there. Anyhoo…

First off, the production values are wonderful. GR would have killed for some of these tricks. The Big E looks great! Nitpick #1: It’s the USS Enterprise here, instead of the pointy-tipped ISS Enterprise. The acting is generally good, with Todd Haberkorn a stand-out as evil Spock. He’s improving over time and it shows. The new Bones gets little to do, but does it with vile gusto. Viper Mountain chews the scenery well enough. It’s a little funny when he yanks the yummy Asia DeMarcos to his manly self with an audible grunt on her part, as he presses the life out of her. A little less brutal, please, even in evil-land. Chris Doohan is wonderful, as is the guest voice of “Mr. Computer.” And Michele Sprecht pops up to dispel those nagging Sulu-is-gay rumors. There are a few problems. Chess pieces manage to keep their footing during an attack while Kirk and Spock lose theirs… phasers sound like plastic toys when they hit the deck… no lights inside the shuttle… stale music cues… but, all in all it’s a worthy effort.

One personal note: I find it harder to see the constant parade of actors taking on these roles. I’m not a kid anymore, seeing all these wonders for the first time. So, while I appreciate fan fics, Trek was a moment in my youth. I hope my youngest can get into it. But, I just can’t be 8 again. (Can I?)

1160. CmdrR - June 16, 2014

They’re baaaaack!!

Thanks, Kayla.

1161. Harry Ballz - June 16, 2014

AQUAMAN??!!!!

&$%#*^&$!!!!

1162. Aurore - June 16, 2014

@ Mr. Ballz.

” AQUAMAN??!!!!

&$%#*^&$!!!! ”

_________

…I know.

You CANNOT wait to see him either…

1163. Harry Ballz - June 16, 2014

Aurore, I’m tempted to say you’re all wet when it comes to Aquaman, but I’m worried you might take that remark the wrong way.

1164. Marja - June 16, 2014

Cmdr R,

Some of us spoke in the other thread about how “easy” it seemed to turne the ISS Enterprise crew around. Wouldn’t they be a little too paranoid to take in a taped message? I could have bought it if there’d been a short bit with crewmen bitching about the constant use of agonizers, the women bitching about the way they are treated, something like that.

I’m with you on the phasers hitting the floor, but it seems to me they sounded that way in TOS, too.

I’m still a bit lukewarm on Mr Haberkorn, at least appearance-wise. He should be taller [platform boots, man!] Spock sort of loomed over others. I think they should adjust his makeup in all future episodes; TOS Spock had a slightly more severe or commanding look to his face. I think this could be changed with a simple addition of contouring makeup and additional hairs added to the undersides of his brows by his nose. Mr Haberkorn has such an open, friendly face, and an oval chin … BUT.

His performance as Spock — the gravitas, the posture — has improved quite noticeably from the previous episodes.

I’m so tough on him, aren’t I, but Spock was the first dramatic character I ever felt deeply invested in.

Mignona has Kirk down to a T. Apparently he’s been rehearsing the role for over 40 years :-) I loved the fight between him and Spock!

As far as McCoy I think the actor still needs to get comfortable with him. He’s a little too “light” [Gee! I get to play McCoy! I'm so excited!] I don’t get the same feeling of professional acting creds from him that I get with the others. McCoy always had that residual sorrow of the physician’s loss of patients no matter his efforts, and his failures in his personal life.

Oh please give Kim Stinger the lovely eye makeup Nichelle Nichols had. Near ballerina makeup. Kim’s eyes are a little protuberant c/w Nichols’, and would benefit from additional “narrowing” with eyeliner. Her performance — though as traditional, she has little to do — is quite good.

And Chris Doohan is priceless. I like that he’s darkened his hair a bit to be more like his dad’s. He does occasionally stumble on the Scottish dialect, but that will come with time and practice. He has the accomplished briskness of the engineer down well!

Hair: “Marlena” was indeed beautiful, but I remember how thick her hair was in the original. I think STC needed to add another “fall” on top of the wig she had! Uhura’s wig was near perfect. I was puzzled by the distribution of long disordered hair on “Lt. Smith” — only a crazy woman would have loose hair that long in that universe — easy to grab, tear, &c. It looked pretty bad.

For the most part, the uniforms looked great. The boots were a little “stove-pipe-y” but the shirts looked great. Too bad we didn’t get to see Spock in the captain’s Gold Vest, hee-hee! I guess, a less savage look befitting the newly civilized Enterprise.

Sorry to obsess so over appearances, but sometimes appearance is a good way “in” to the character for an actor.

The appearances of the sets, and the lighting, were fantastic.

All in all it was a very enjoyable episode, but I think my fave of the three is still “Lolani.”

1165. Aurore - June 16, 2014

@ Mr. Ballz.

“…I’m tempted to say you’re all wet when it comes to Aquaman, but I’m worried you might take that remark the wrong way.”

_______

:)

(Man…that old man is so f*cking dead…30 seconds alone. That’s all I need to cripple him for life…..All in good time. For now, just keep smiling…)

:)

Now, WHY would I take such a funny remark the wrong way, sir ?!

…Wet? Aquaman? Hilarious!

1166. Aurore - June 16, 2014

@ 1155

” …‘Sounds… ‘exciting’… enough. I cannot WAIT to see angry Aquaman…”

__________

… Mr. Ballz, joking aside, I was being facetious when I said this.

In the sense that I’m as… “excited “… to see Aquaman as you seem to be… ( judging by your post @ 1161)…

1167. Aurore - June 16, 2014

“…I was being facetious when I said this.

In the sense that I’m as… ‘excited ‘… to see Aquaman as you seem to be… ( judging by your post @ 1161)…”

__________

…Therefore…I am tempted to say that, from the start, you were “all wet ” when it came to me…(and Aquaman). And, I know you won’t take that remark the wrong way…

:)

1168. Harry Ballz - June 16, 2014

Aurore……”all wet”?

When it comes to you, it’s hard for me!

But, then again, you seem to enjoy it when I pull the occasional boner.

I’ll just have to keep a stiff……………………upper lip!

1169. Harry Ballz - June 16, 2014

Aurore…………”all wet”? No, but I will admit it being hard when it comes to you.

1170. Harry Ballz - June 16, 2014

Damn double posts!

1171. Aurore - June 17, 2014

@ Mr. Ballz.

“Damn double posts! ”

__________

You mean you were having a…hard… time posting comments Mr. Ballz?

:)

…Anyway I found your comment on the “TrekInk: Review of Star Trek: The City on the Edge of Forever #1″ thread, intriguing…Especially after reading this from the review :

“…If you aren’t familiar with Harlan Ellison’s original teleplay for The City on the Edge of Forever,
you may be alarmed or outraged by events in this issue….”

Don’t say anything (about the teleplay)! I’ll find out what the author of the article meant …when the time is right…

:)

1172. AJ - June 17, 2014

Get a room!

1173. Harry Ballz - June 17, 2014

AJ, you mean a CHAT room?

Done and done!

:>)

1174. CmdrR - June 17, 2014

Daily Trek cute fix:

http://www.avclub.com/article/explore-uss-enterprise-one-block-time-pixeltrek-205878

1175. Aurore - June 18, 2014

BREAKING:

Paramount Confirms Next Star Trek Film Coming 2016

http://trekmovie.com/2014/06/18/paramount-confirms-next-star-trek-film-coming-2016/

1176. Marja - June 18, 2014

YEEEEEEE-Haaaaaaahhhhhh

2016

At last.

1177. Phil - June 19, 2014

Someone needs to sit down and talk to JJ about the cone of silence…

Harrison Ford injured on the set of Star Wars
Harrison Ford sprained ankle on the set of Star Wars
Harrison Ford severely sprained ankle on the set of Star Wars
Harrison Ford expected to return to set shortly after ankle injury.
Harrison Ford may have broken ankle on set of Star Wars
Harrison Ford may require surgery to repair broken ankle on Star Wars set
Harrison Ford actually broke leg in accident on Star Wars set
Harrison Ford has surgery to repair broken leg from Star Wars accident
Harrison Ford was airlifted from Star Wars set after breaking leg – WTH??

The only headline missing at this point is….

Harrison Ford dies at age 71 after accident on Star Wars set.

1178. Harry Ballz - June 19, 2014

Aren’t you supposed to “break a leg” in show business?

1179. Joseph - June 19, 2014

I have a 1977 6X8 foil 3-D of NCC-1701 can anyone tell me what its worth ???

1180. Phil - June 19, 2014

Apparently, somewhere in the fine print of the union contract, you have to literally do it at least once in your career….

1181. Phil - June 19, 2014

Okay, and yeah, there’s an evil laugh floating around in my head here…a few of us need to post this to our FB pages and see if we can get the mother of all internet rumors rolling…

Breaking News: Harrison Ford dies at age 71 after accident on Star Wars set.
Will be updated as more information becomes available.

1182. PaulB - June 19, 2014

#1177/1181 Phil — What an incredibly stupid idea. Insanely stupid. Stupid beyond stupid. And you think it would be funny? Wow…you must feel so proud of yourself.

1183. Phil - June 19, 2014

@1182. Stupid idea? Nah. Insanely stupid? What, the sun explodes the day Harrison Ford dies? The world descends into chaos? Sorry, not stupid. In incredibly bad taste, you bet, and twice on Sunday. Then again, this is chat. If you are looking for highbrow try The New Yorker….

1184. Harry Ballz - June 19, 2014

I’ve written for The New Yorker, but that’s another story.

1185. Aurore - June 19, 2014

@ Mr. Ballz.

“I’ve written for The New Yorker, but that’s another story.”

_______

… A story of people ready to be recruited to work in an evil place…

Scary story…but, that’s another story…

Good morning, everyone!

1186. Aurore - June 19, 2014

“…Scary story…”
_______

“Scary “…and yet…funny…

…But, that’s another story…

:)

1187. Marja - June 19, 2014

Harry Ballz,

“Shouts and Murmurs” no doubt.

1188. Marja - June 19, 2014

[Ford] was originally thought to have damaged his ankle in the mishap at the Buckinghamshire studios.

Police said the actor had been injured by a “garage door” but there have been suggestions the door of the Star Wars spacecraft Millennium Falcon fell on him.

Wasn’t it Princess Leia who tried to tell Han the Falcon was a piece of junk?

1189. Harry Ballz - June 19, 2014

Marja, actually, just 7 words I wrote to win the caption contest for a cartoon, but those words were published in The New Yorker and i won the original artwork as the prize. It is brutally competitive to win this silly category, as the magazine is legendary for it’s cartoons.

Only a few words, published in a renowned publication, but it still counts.

1190. Aurore - June 20, 2014

@ Mr. Ballz

“…Only a few words…”

________

I remembered those words.

But, contrary to what I thought ( @ 1185 ) , you did not use the word ” recruiting “, but, ” hiring “…( I just checked ).

….I have such a faulty memory…

I’m sorry.

:)

1191. CmdrR - June 20, 2014

Hoping for a brush with Shatness…

A film crew is here at Georgia Public Broadcasting (which is huge and rents studio space) to work on “The Sunday Horse.” Although he is not here today, a cute crewgal (would look killer in red velour) told me that Wm. Shatner esq. is in the movie.

He’s not listed here, but it’s a horse pic, so Shat’s bound to show up…

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3543258/

1192. AJ - June 20, 2014

1189;

Harry!

Harry, Harry….

You wrote: “It is brutally competitive to win this silly category, as the magazine is legendary for it’s cartoons.”

Now, as a writer, can you PLEASE tell me why you have just failed as a writer? Substitute the second-to-last word in that sentence with the first two words, and repeat it 8,000 times.

I don’t usually pick nits, but that one is rare coming from you.

And don’t let me catch anyone else here doing stuff like that either!

1193. Harry Ballz - June 20, 2014

AJ, unlike you, my sober friend, I had a few cocktails in me while typing last night.

Mea gulpa!

1194. Disinvited - June 20, 2014

I think quite a few are forgetting that, for actors, a headline screaming “Actor Breaks Leg!” is regarded as a fortuitous event.

#1192. AJ – June 20, 2014

One flaw I see in your attempt at editing, for quite a few of its readers, especially for those who imbibe while reading it, “The New Yorker” IS cartoons.

“They’re creepy and they’re spooky…”

1195. Phil - June 20, 2014

That’s what I get for not paying attention. I’m going to have to try and figure out who Harry is in real life now….

1196. Harry Ballz - June 20, 2014

@1195 Phil “I’m going to have to try and figure out who Harry is in real life now”

Good luck with that one.

:>)

1197. Aurore - June 20, 2014

Happy Birthday, Mr. Ballz!

(It’s already Saturday, here.)

1198. CmdrR - June 20, 2014

Harry, you were born???

Thought you were hatched.

Ah well, have a happy one, sir.

1199. Harry Ballz - June 20, 2014

@1198

CmdrR, hatched?

That would make me an egghead, wouldn’t it?

1200. AJ - June 20, 2014

Happy Birthday, Harry!

Make it real, sir!

1201. AJ - June 20, 2014

Let’s see how much mileage the Internet gets out of this one “Trek back to TV” rumor. What is it, now? Two weeks old?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/20/star-trek-reboot-netflix_n_5516042.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

1202. Harry Ballz - June 20, 2014

Thanks for the birthday wishes, guys!

59 years old?

Yikes!

1203. Harry Ballz - June 20, 2014

I watched a superb movie tonight.

Prisoners starring Hugh Jackman. It was directed by Denis Villeneuve.

More movies should be made like this one.

It is a great flick.

1204. PaulB - June 21, 2014

#1201 AJ, that rumor was shot down within 24 hours of being started. Why are YOU trying to get more mileage out of it? The rest of the Internet has moved on.

1205. AJ - June 22, 2014

1204:

Paul, I will look at anything purporting to propel forward the notion of a new Trek TV series. We all want it. What we get instead is crap.

If it is a debunked old rumor, well, sheeyat…I get no mileage out of those.

Since this was just two days ago, at least there is some more ‘perspective’ on all the corporate BS keeping the idea in Hollywood limbo.

Here is another one:

http://www.themarysue.com/netlix-star-trek-series-pretty-please/

1206. Hat Rick - June 22, 2014

Sorry about last post — ignore that one and this one; I’ll use the feedback form provided.

1207. Marja - June 22, 2014

One never knows, Harry, by spreading the rumor we may make it come true, a la FOX “news,” Vladimir Lenin, and other luminaries.

Sorry to have missed your bird-day [since you may have been "hatched"] … one point three years behind you, so I feel your pain. Remember, 60 is the new 50! Or whatever. Hope your year is a happy and fulfilling one.
—————————————————————————————————–

CmdrR, do you by chance live in Albany, GA, or were you living there in the early 1990s? If so you may remember me from a few cartoon contributions to a certain ‘zine.
—————————————————————————————————–

1208. Phil - June 24, 2014

@1024. Oh, commenting on Trek’s cottage industry, TV rumor speculation is just a harmless pastime. And if it creates a little buzz in the process, what’s the harm?

1209. CmdrR - June 24, 2014

Marja,
Not really sure which ‘zine you mean. I have been in Metro Atl for *gasp* nearly 30 years.

1210. Marja - June 25, 2014

1209 Orion or Eridani

1211. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - June 25, 2014

Happy belated birthday Harry.

1212. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - June 25, 2014

Sorry guys I dont get on as much as I used to. I will try and get on more often. My Wife and I are approved to Buy our first house. So We have a lot going on. But I will try and get on here more as I do miss the banter we all have.

1213. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - June 25, 2014

I head a good Trek Rumer.
Star Trek will be back on T.V within the next 10 years.
Lol

1214. Harry Ballz - June 25, 2014

@1211

Thanks, Emperor Mike!

1215. Phil - June 25, 2014

It had better be in the original analog, damnit, or the producers are just raping my memories….

1216. AJ - June 26, 2014

Anyone here watching the Whirled Cup?

I’m not.

Because the Americans are happy they were beaten by the Germans 1-0, and they will maybe advance to some next round. They are not sad about it, and they could’ve mutually agreed to a draw beforehand, both advanced, and played tiddlywinks on the pitch instead.

And Will Ferrell was hilarious cheering them on. So, yay they lost yet live another day, and we get another reason to watch Triumph the Insult Comic Dog compare watching soccer to watching “pron in reverse” (this is part 1 of 3):

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/videos/triumph-the-insult-comic-dog-poops-on-the-world-cup-20140625

1217. Aurore - June 27, 2014

@ 1216. AJ – June 26, 2014

“Anyone here watching the Whirled Cup?

I’m not.”

_________

Neither am I.

That said, I might watch the Whirled Cup final match, as I (sometimes) did, in the past.

1218. Aurore - June 27, 2014

“…and we get another reason to watch Triumph the Insult Comic Dog…”
_______

Thanks for the link, AJ!

1219. AJ - June 27, 2014

The new Transformers film is just getting decimated by film critics.

Should pull in a billion for sure.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/transformers_age_of_extinction/

1220. Harry Ballz - June 27, 2014

The Transformers could sit and read the phone book out loud for two hours and it would still be better than STID.

1221. CmdrR - June 27, 2014

16% ????

The same amount of people like this movie as approve of Congress!! (Note: this is not a joke, although you could argue that Congress is.)

This is just a sad day.

1222. Aurore - June 27, 2014

“The Transformers could sit and read the phone book out loud for two hours and it would still be better than STID.”
_________

( I haven’t watched any of the Transformers movies. )

…But, at least, from what I heard, it [ Star Trek Into Darkness ] had social commentary.

You always conviniently leave out that…um… fact !

:)

1223. Aurore - June 27, 2014

“…You always conviniently leave out that…um… fact ! ”
________

…And, I thank you for THAT.

Being aware of the fact that Star Trek Into Darkness is the “highest-grossing” movie of my beloved franchise is more than enough…for me…

…Now, if I could only admit once and for all that Khan is… the Joker to Kirk’s Batman…

:)

1224. Disinvited - June 27, 2014

#1222. Aurore – June 27, 2014

Please, you know that if O&K were involved in the first 2, there’s social commentary:

1. TRANSFORMERS I: There’s no bond more special than a boy and his first set of wheels except for possibly a mechanic that looks like she walked off the garage wall.

2. TRANSFORMERS II: Who needs a mechanic when the car repairs itself?

1225. CmdrR - June 27, 2014

3. TRANSFORMERS III: Social commentary? This piece of crap made a third of a billion dollars. How’s that for commentary, Bub?

1226. AJ - June 28, 2014

Ah, the bi-annual shaming of the Transformers franchise!

I think Optimus Prime sitting and reading the phonebook for two hours would make a mint.

Helluva voice, that one.

Bob Orci could write it! No verbs!

1227. Aurore - June 28, 2014

@ 1223

“…Now, if I could only admit once and for all that Khan is… the Joker to Kirk’s Batman…”
__________

There is no need to admit anything.

On the Internet, according to a recent article many didn’t care about ” the whole ‘Is Benedict Cumberbatch playing Khan?’ controversy “…

So, who knows? Khan may return in the next Star Trek movie.

…’Still don’t like it ? Too bad…

1228. Disinvited - June 28, 2014

#1225. CmdrR – June 27, 2014

LOL. I’m not sure but I think the U.S. Supreme Court did rule that money IS commentary — social, et al.

1229. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - June 28, 2014

Ok. Let’s be real. does anyone Watch transformers for Social Commentary or for the Great Acting and wonderful Plots and Story Lines.
HELL NO!!!!!.
WE Watch it because it’s Robots in Disquise and they Like to Fight and blow Thing’s Up.
That’s Why.
2 Hours of Mindless Fun.
If you want Wonderful plots and Wonderful Story. Then go see forrest Gump or something like that.
Lol.

1230. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - June 28, 2014

Hmmm., Could Optimus Price be in the next Star Trek Movie.

1231. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - June 28, 2014

Oops. I meant Optimus Prime. But. Price could work.

1232. AJ - June 28, 2014

Mike:

The difference between “2 Hours of Mindless Fun” and a 165m film described as “excruciating” is,well, 45 minutes of excruciating.

If I want that, I can always watch “The Empath.”

1233. Harry Ballz - June 28, 2014

The Globe&Mail newspaper took a dump all over the new Transformers movie.

But, hey, what do they know?

1234. Aurore - June 28, 2014

“The Globe&Mail newspaper took a dump all over the new Transformers movie.

But, hey, what do they know?”

___________

These people obviously know nothing about the benefits of mindless fun…

Show some…empathy!

1235. Harry Ballz - June 28, 2014

Empathy?

Is that a subtle dig at AJ’s crack about “The Empath”?

Oh, and to your point……there is a huge difference between “mindless fun” and shit.

1236. Aurore - June 29, 2014

@ 1235. Mr. Ballz.

Of course it was.

( @ 1222 ) I said that I had not watched any of the Transformers movies.

Besides, I am in absolutely no rush to watch any of these films. But, I suddenly ( and very… “logically ” ) decided to take a…”dig “…at AJ’s crack…M’yeah. M’yeah. Sure, Mr. Ballz. It does make sense…

:)

P.S. : I am still in no hurry to watch Star Trek Into Darkness , either…But, THAT is another story…

1237. AJ - June 29, 2014

So Aurore, you’re taking a dig at my crack?

What kinda cockamamie place is this, anyway?

Whatever it is, it must be Harry’s fault….

1238. CmdrR - June 29, 2014

So AJ, you’re saying the fault lies not in ourselves, but in our Ballz?

1239. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - June 29, 2014

Is it just me or does Trek Movie seem to be Trek Movie once again!.

1240. CmdrR - June 29, 2014

Fingers and webbed toes crossed, TrekMovie looks ALIVE!!!

1241. CmdrR - June 29, 2014

I’m extra excited about TrekMovie’s rebirth. While my dungeon masters were busy reading up on warp ships, robot chickens, podcasts, and more… I managed to find a secret passage through the effluvium tunnel, down the funicular, across the brine (I hope it was just brine) sea… to freedom!

1242. Harry Ballz - June 29, 2014

@1236-8

I love being blamed for things. It’s what I live for!

1243. CmdrR - June 29, 2014

1242 — Harry, you’re the Obama of TrekMovie.

1244. Marja - June 29, 2014

Well, while I like that TM is posting many articles/day, a poster I avoid like the Andorian Shingles is back, so I may be scarce for a while. She crazy.

1245. Aurore - June 30, 2014

@ 1237. AJ.

“So Aurore, you’re taking a dig at my crack?

What kinda cockamamie place is this, anyway?…”

____________

I dunno.

…But, the light was on. I heard someone say ; ” SHA KA REE! SHA KA REE! ” in a ( Pokemon ) falsetto voice…

…So, I ventured in…

:)

1246. AJ - June 30, 2014

1244:

Marja: Watch out for them Andorian shingles. And those solar flares, too: Cook you in your seat.

1247. Harry Ballz - July 1, 2014

AJ…..”Cook you in your seat”

Which one, the solar flares or the Andorian shingles?

1248. AJ - July 1, 2014

1247:

Harry: Probably the best lines in the whole of ST’09:

McCoy: I may throw up on you.
Kirk: I think these things are pretty safe.
McCoy: Don’t pander to me, kid. One tiny crack in the hull, and our blood boils in thirteen seconds. Solar flare might crop up, cook us in our seats. And wait till you’re sitting pretty with a case of Andorian shingles. See if you’re still so relaxed when your eyeballs are bleeding! Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence.
Kirk: Well I hate to break this to you, but Starfleet operates in space.
McCoy: Yeah, well, I got no where else to go. The ex-wife took the whole damn planet in the divorce. All I got left is my bones.

I did not know those by heart, BTW. Only weirdo Trekkies know things like that (I know STII & III by heart, like most people do).

1249. Aurore - July 1, 2014

“…So, I ventured in…”
_______

…Right on time to learn that “Bad Robot, J.J., and his team are really at the heart ” of the next movie’s development…

“…and if there are people who think that we’ve lost him to Star Wars this time around, that’s not the truth as far as we see it…”

…I , personally, did not think we had ” lost ” Mr. Abrams to Star Wars ( I sincerely hope he is happy with his involvement with the franchise ).
However, this kind of statement makes me all the more curious to see how this will turn out…

This time around, at least, I believe my expectations are reasonable…if, in the coming days, I hear statements such as ; ” There are a lot of directions we can go in the film and in this particular case we chose to do something that would be original and unique and different and again on paper I think we made the right choice. ” *, I’ll be cautiously optimistic…

_________________

*

http://trekmovie.com/2011/12/20/star-trek-sequel-producer-talks-mad-dash-beginning-original-story/

1250. Aurore - July 1, 2014

“…( I know STII & III by heart, like most people do).”
________

Enough with the provocations!

Enough!

Most people know Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, by heart!

:)

1251. Aurore - July 1, 2014

@ 1249.

After reading through the comments section of the article, I must say that unlike many here on this website ( and others ), I do not know any of The Original Series episodes [or movies] (almost) by heart…

As to what I said (in jest) regarding Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, this morning?

I certainly know the movie ; as stated upthread @ 656, I’ve watched it several times and enjoyed it much more…than I did watching Star Trek II : The Wrath of Khan….

However, implying that I knew it by heart was an…”exaggeration”.

Naturally, I still would want the next Star Trek movie to be good…even though (this time) I have my doubts concerning what will be “delivered”, in 2016.

1252. CmdrR - July 1, 2014

I’m just hoping the ST 2016 has SOME lines worth memorizing. And I don’t mean repurposed lines from BETTER movies.

Can there be a fun, smart, original Trek in 2016? I honestly don’t know.

I’d like to find that there can be.

1253. AJ - July 1, 2014

Happy Canada Day (Harry)!

Yes, I am hoping for a better Star Trek experience with the new TREK film as well.

The new writers seem to be all over the web, quoted as saying all the right things, so who knows?

Hopefully, Bob Orci won’t leave the lenscap on.

1254. Phil - July 1, 2014

Well, I see JJ figured out a way to de-age Carrie Fisher. They cast her daughter to play a young Leia in some flashback scenes. I guess that begs the question, if Shatners son available to play Kirk, and how much does he look like the old man?

1255. Phil - July 1, 2014

@1244. A Trek poster, crazy? Say it isn’t so!

1256. Marja - July 2, 2014

1255 Phil, and contrary to what you may think, it ain’t Keachick! ;-)

1257. Marja - July 2, 2014

1246 AJ, indeed, subject un-named poster has tried to cook me in my seat, but I remained resolute. I think this time around I’ll just ignore her, as she has stated she will do with certain other posters who don’t toe her line. Apparently opinions are intelligent and discussions are intelligent if they run along the limits she has established in her personal universe.

I’m still watchin’ out lest she toss Andorian shingles at me

1258. AJ - July 2, 2014

1257:

In the end, Marja, “don’t let ‘em get ya down.” We’re all here for entertainment purposes in the end, and convincing someone you are right or wrong about something related to ‘Star Trek’ is a meaningless waste of time once it comes down to the level of personal trolling and attacking from the comfort of one’s own digital device.

Of course, since “Andorian shingles” were mentioned only in the 2009 JJ reboot, and they were never referred to in seasons 1 & 2 of TOS, or any of the Marshak/Culbreath novels, I say THEY ARE NOT CANON.

Anyone who doesn’t subscribe to the neo-pseudo-classical-quasi-Roddenberry-esque pre-TMP east coast version of canon, circa mid-1977 can stuff it.

1259. Marja - July 2, 2014

Haha, I go back to James Blish and Vonda McIntyre; I never dug Marshak and Culbreath …. LOL!

1260. AJ - July 2, 2014

Marja:

I was too young to appreciate the whole Marshak/Culbreath “thing.” I think it was all just lots of big words surrounding what wanted to be just K/S stories in the end. I slogged through them anyway.

McIntyre was more my speed as well. I also really enjoyed the ‘classic’ Diane Duane novels. I tore through all the Blish novelizations and his original Trek stuff as well when I was in grade school.

1261. Marja - July 2, 2014

Bless your heart! I couldn’t slog through — I just couldn’t stand Marshak/Culbreath’s writing, for whatever reason [but I suspect it may have been the K/S vibe, carefully "concealed" NOT]. Ironically in their “New Voyages” I read all the stories but theirs …

And YES Diane Duane was fantastic, one of my favorites ever.

1262. AJ - July 2, 2014

1261:

I was reading those novels during a “completist” phase of Trekkerness, where I just bought and read everything there was on the market. I thought the Marshak/Culbreath stuff was just ‘too sophisticated’ for me to understand as a youngster until I read “The Wounded Sky” by Duane, and “How Much for Just the Planet?” by John Ford, and realized at that point they were just crap. “Enterprise” and the ST 2 & 3 novelizations among many others by McIntyre were great reads.

Duane would go on and do some superb stuff with Spock’s roots and Vulcan, and then “The Romulan Way.” I also enjoyed the series by the late AC Crispin about Spock’s son via Mariette Hartley ;-) in “All Our Yesterdays.”

Those were the days.

1263. CmdrR - July 2, 2014

Anyone have any recommendations for — and this is a very specific request — a Trek novel that:

a) Stands alone; aka is no 1 of 4
b) Works / Is true to Trek
and…
c) Does not involve finding God or solving any problem so completely as to make the characters want to say, “Well, we’re finished with Trekkin’.”

I read many decades ago. I especially liked “Strangers from the Sky” and “Enterprise.” (The novel, not that whiny directionless TV thingie.) But Ihave drifted away from them. I could almost blame the whole thing on a single paperback cover showing Prof. X and Picard together in a misbegotten crossover of X-Men and TNG.

Oh, and:
d) No Daleks, X-Mutants, or visitors from another Trek incarnation. (I liked “Ship of the Line,” which brought back TNG old Scotty, but in general I just don’t want my Trek scrambled, mashed, folded, spindled, or mutilated.)

In other words, just a good story.

1264. Silvereyes - July 2, 2014

Hi CmdrR… I haven’t read many Trek books, but two I have very much enjoyed are The Entropy Effect by Vonda N. McIntyre (1981) and The Wounded Sky by Diane Duane (1983). If you want only one, this is the one I would recommend.

1265. Basement Blogger - July 2, 2014

Saw Transformers: Age of Extinction. Here’s the short review. It’s dumb, with action that has been reduced to money shots. Not as stupid as Transformers: Dark of the Moon but that’s like saying Ed Wood’s Glen or Glenda is better than Plan Nine from Outer Space. The visually loud action pound you into your seats. I had a headache leaving the theater..

There’s a creep factor too. Director Michael Bay has his usual ass shot of the heroine. The problem is that she’s supposed to be seventeen. There are more loving shots of her in this movie. But according to the movie this is all okay since she’s allowed to have sex with her boyfriend who’s twenty because of Texas’ Romeo and Juliet laws.

If you must see this piece of cinematic feces, see it in 3D. Bay shot a lot of it with 3D IMAX cameras. There’s pop and depth in those scenes.

The grade is D Plus. Full review with trailer and clip from Wayne’s World. That’s about product placement. And yes there’s obvious product placement in Transformers.

http://berniebasementblog.blogspot.com/2014/07/transformers-age-of-extinction-3d-review.html

1266. AJ - July 2, 2014

CmdrR:

I think anything by McIntyre and Duane will “fill the bill” if they’re still out there. They are all “Golden Age” pre-TNG books, so Klingons are not singing drunks, nor Vulcans constipated racists.

A check of Amazon shows Duane has a sub-series of Romulan novels (she calls them the “Rihannsu”). Some are older novels, retitled for that sub-series. Still, as I recall, they are good stand-alone reads, and if you like them, you can just grab another one.

1267. AJ - July 3, 2014

I just got a new job!

And it’s not Lithuanian mineral water. It’s a huge Russian Chocolate company. No. 1 in the country.

Look at their really unfinished English website:

http://eng.uniconf.ru/

I will be Deputy Commercial Director

Moving to Moscow by month’s end.

Patting myself on the back for this one!

1268. Aurore - July 3, 2014

” Hopefully, Bob Orci won’t leave the lenscap on.”

__________

Maybe his Star Trek movie will be one for the ages.

One thing is for sure ; he knows his “Trek ” :

Roberto Orci: I would say yes. In general for all of us I would say Star Trek II is one of my favorites and one of Damon’s favorites. For Alex [Kurtzman] and J.J [Abrams], who are fans but not as much crazy Trekkers as us, Star Trek II is an example of the best elements of Star Trek. Star Trek II is a major touch point…

TrekMovie.com: In another interview you mentioned Trek books. So have you read many of them?

Roberto Orci: Tons of them. I have them all in my room.

TrekMovie.com: Is that because Paramount sent you all of them?

Roberto Orci: No no no, these are things I have read for pleasure. Some of them I have read many times, never imagining I would be a part of it. When I found myself being paid to re-read those books – you don’t get luckier than that. That is a blessing.

TrekMovie.com: So what are a couple of your favorites?

Roberto Orci: My favorite one is “Prime Directive” and I would say “Spock’s World” is my other favorite. I saw your interview with Judith and Garfield Reeves Stevens and I think they are great. I have read “Prime Directive” three or four times and I think it is one of the best Star Trek stories ever…period. Here is an interesting tidbit. In casting we have to give sides out to actors [scenes from scripts]. But since we are being so secretive we don’t want to give real scenes from the movie so a lot of the scenes we have been using are from their books….etc,etc…

http://trekmovie.com/2007/10/04/interview-roberto-orci-on-why-he-is-a-trekkie/

(Interview – Roberto Orci On Why He Is A Trekkie & Making Trek Big Again)

…As I was saying the other day (and, since Mr. Orci is now going to direct the next Star Trek movie ) ; I am curious to see how this will turn out…

1269. Aurore - July 3, 2014

@ 1267. AJ – July 3, 2014

“I just got a new job!… It’s a huge Russian Chocolate company. No. 1 in the country…”
_______

Congratulations, AJ!

1270. Disinvited - July 3, 2014

# 1253. AJ – July 1, 2014

” Hopefully, Bob Orci won’t leave the lenscap on.” — AJ

When he did his Producer Diaries for Fringe, he didn’t seem to have that problem; so, that’s a fear not worth entertaining.

However thanks for giving me the amusing image or lack thereof in the next sequel’s STAR TREK INTO DARK. An auteur with enough guts to turn a blockbuster movie into a throwback radio drama just tickles my funnybone.

I’m a fan of radio dramas so I almost wish it where so.

1271. Aurore - July 3, 2014

” ‘Hopefully, Bob Orci won’t leave the lenscap on.’ — AJ

When he did his Producer Diaries for Fringe, he didn’t seem to have that problem; so, that’s a fear not worth entertaining.”

___________

…To me, it certainly was ( just ) a joke worth making though…But, that’s just me…

:)

1272. CmdrR - July 3, 2014

AJ and the Chocolare Factory. Yeah!

Chocolate covered Borscht! It’ll sell like hot cakes. (How do those sell, btw?)

1273. CmdrR - July 3, 2014

Mission Log has posted TVH. Fun

1274. Phil - July 3, 2014

@1267. Samples for your Trekmovie friends?

Congratulations!!

1275. Harry Ballz - July 3, 2014

@1267

Congratulations, AJ!

Working for a chocolate company? SUH-WEET!

1276. Basement Blogger - July 3, 2014

Congratulations AJ on you new job. (1267)

And as the Klingons are fond of saying,

QAPLA!

1277. Harry Ballz - July 4, 2014

HAPPY FOURTH OF JULY TO ALL MY AMERICAN FRIENDS! ENJOY!

1278. AJ - July 4, 2014

TNG’s “Night Crew” (11PM-7AM Enterprise-D replacement command crew)

as per Robot Chicken.

Patrick Stewart is in it, and Chris Pine plays the Night captain.

Hot stuff!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4ApQrbhQp8

1279. Marja - July 4, 2014

AJ, Congrats on the new job!

“Functional products are the optimum ratio of benefit and taste”

MMMmmmm-mmm! Sounds delicious ;-)

Do have them improve their web page. And enjoy!

1280. Harry Ballz - July 4, 2014

AJ, whatever you do, don’t pull an Oswald and come back from Russia with a blushing new bride!

1281. AJ - July 5, 2014

Harry:

Re-marrying is not a current priority; if it came to that, however, considering where I am, my bride would most likely be a blushin’ Russian one.

Here’s the new Takei biopic trailer. Looks interesting (Lots of Trek stars, including Shatner):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyuYSaUp-2E

1282. Harry Ballz - July 5, 2014

AJ, I don’t mean to generalize when it comes to people, but I’ve worked with a lot of Russian women in my business over the years and……yikes, they can be hard-as-nails with usually a self-serving agenda.

They would gladly do ANYTHING to get ahead and smile while stabbing you in the back..

They seem to enjoy busting balls and then frying them up for breakfast!

I would NEVER want to be romantically involved with a Russian woman.

What’s your perception?

1283. AJ - July 6, 2014

1282:

Harry:

It’s common to find Russian women in the business world, and they are indeed hard-as-nails, and like anyone, will serve whatever agenda is required, whether it be self (happens often), or the company for whom they work.

Be that as it may, having one of these hard-asses in your corner also has its pluses, and I know many Westerners with Russian wives who say that. They are tough and loyal partners, and natural bullsh*t detectors, but they also expect that all men are “full of it,” so they look beyond the superficial in many respects.

The boss of the company I am leaving is a genuine ball-buster, but if she comes to bat for you, it’s like Babe Ruth just stepped up to the plate.

1284. Aurore - July 6, 2014

“….They are tough and loyal partners, and natural bullsh*t detectors…”

________

I have the utmost respect for such people…

Again, congratulations to you, AJ!

1285. CmdrR - July 6, 2014

1282 — Harry, if only you could bottle that charm, no woman would be immune.

1286. Marja - July 6, 2014

Just saw ‘Snowpiercer’ — imaginative. Don’t know if the science is the least bit feasible but it’s about an uprising of the “feet” against the “head”

Tilda Swinton is not afraid to look ugly and play a toady.

Quite a change in roles for Chris Evans — nothing like Cap, that’s for sure.

I recommend it. Good allegory about power and its abuse. Oh — but GORY. Don’t take the kids.

1287. Harry Ballz - July 6, 2014

CmdrR

yes, we could call it NEAU BULLSHIT.

1288. Aurore - July 6, 2014

July 6th is the official date for… ” International Kissing Day ” ?!

What the…?

Fine :

…Play it, Sam… :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vThuwa5RZU

…….No kissing in that scene. True. True…. So what ?

:)

1289. AJ - July 6, 2014

Off to Italy today for 2 1/2 days to meet with a supplier from within our own Group (Northern part, Canelli, in Asti region). Yay!

And, Thanks for the good wishes, everyone. Another transition….I feel “young!”

1290. Aurore - July 6, 2014

Buon viaggio, AJ!

1291. Harry Ballz - July 7, 2014

I really nailed Orci just now in the Saturn Awards thread.

1292. Aurore - July 7, 2014

@ 1291.

“I really nailed Orci just now in the Saturn Awards thread.”

________

I read your comment, sir…

“Since we freed it from the original time line we had narrative freedom, which is sometimes worse. Absolute freedom is sometimes scarier than what you have to do.”

Roberto Orci

…If possible, just take a quick look at posts 43, 102 & 116 in the comments section of this old thread ; some people clearly did NOT know what they were talking about… :

:)

http://trekmovie.com/2012/06/19/orci-freedom-of-new-star-trek-movie-timeline-scary/

(Orci: Freedom Of New Star Trek Movie Timeline ‘Scary’)

1293. Harry Ballz - July 7, 2014

I’m busting Orci’s chops again over on the latest thread.

I’m so sick of his half-ass efforts when it comes to Star Trek.

1294. CmdrR - July 8, 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOWuPrCABtA&feature=youtu.be

1295. Harry Ballz - July 9, 2014

Watched “All Is Lost” starring Robert Redford. Interesting movie. Well done for what it is.

1296. Marja - July 10, 2014

1295 Harry, you may be interested to know that “All is Lost” was written [and I think directed] by J.C. Chandor, who also wrote/directed “Margin Call,” a critically acclaimed film about the Wall Street crisis.

Zachary Quinto’s [et. al.] production company, Before the Door, backed both films.

1297. CmdrR - July 10, 2014

Loved “All is Lost”!! Best acting Redford has done in decades. One of his best ever. Long stretches of nothing happening… and I couldn’t take my eyes off the screen, because I totally cared about the guy on the boat.

Marja — Watched “Snowpiercer” based on your entry. It’s got the whole graphic novel thing going on. A little silly in places (the aquarium car?!?!) but overall it was an interesting piece of speculative sci-fi.
“Tilda Swinton is not afraid to look ugly and play a toady.” Check her out in “Grand Budapest Hotel.” They add 30 years. She’s hilarious.

1298. Harry Ballz - July 10, 2014

@1296

Yes, Marja, I knew that, but thanks for pointing it out.

I saw “Margin Call” when it came out and enjoyed it, too.

1299. Marja - July 10, 2014

I just had a fantasy that JC Chandor writes the Trek3 screenplay. Stop me Harry, I’m hallucinating

1300. Harry Ballz - July 11, 2014

Marja, I never stop a lovely lass in the middle of her fantasy!

1301. Marja - July 11, 2014

Harry, ;-)

1297 CmdrR, I saw “Grand Budapest Hotel” when it came out and she did a wonderful cameo. She scarcely resembled herself. In fact, not at all! Not to mention, Ralph Fiennes was hilarious as I’ve never seen him! What a delight.

1302. AJ - July 12, 2014

Kate Mulgrew has an Emmy nomination for “Orange is the New Black.”

No mention on the site, but Go Captain Janeway!

Anyone here ever seen it?

1303. Aurore - July 13, 2014

@ 1302

“….Anyone here ever seen it?”

________

I haven’t. (But, I’ve heard about it)

1304. CmdrR - July 13, 2014

AJ – Kayla and Matt are doing such a good job bringing us stories, it may have been overlooked in the deluge…

http://trekmovie.com/2014/07/10/mulgrew-braga-cumberbatch-nominated-for-emmys/

1305. CmdrR - July 13, 2014

AJ – Kayla and Matt are doing such a good job bringing us stories, it may have been overlooked in the deluge…

http://trekmovie.com/2014/07/10/mulgrew-braga-cumberbatch-nominated-for-emmys/

1306. Aurore - July 13, 2014

@ 1303

” I haven’t. (But, I’ve heard about it) ”

________

…I’ve heard very good things about the series, I must say.
The people I was listening to really seemed to enjoy it.

1307. Harry Ballz - July 13, 2014

@1302

AJ, Mulgrew’s nomination is mentioned in the July 10th Emmy thread.

Did you miss it?

1308. AJ - July 13, 2014

There are other threads besides CHAT?

;-)

1309. AJ - July 13, 2014

I missed the Emmy thread.

And Happy Bastille Day!

1310. AJ - July 13, 2014

The Russian space shuttle “Buran” gets its own ‘Star Trek’ uptown from Gorky Park to the All-Russian Exhibition Center:

http://rbth.com/multimedia/pictures/2014/07/07/the_star_trek_of_the_legendary_buran_spaceship_continues__37977.html

Not sure too many people even know this existed…

1311. Aurore - July 14, 2014

@ 1309. AJ – July 13, 2014

“…Happy Bastille Day! ”

_____

:)

(Regarding what you wrote @ 1310.
I did not know this existed ; thank you for the link!)

1312. CmdrR - July 14, 2014

1310 – AJ, if it was 1988, I’m not surprised the program got scrapped. The USSR was running out of life.

1313. Phil - July 14, 2014

@1310. Yeah, I knew about it. Was pretty much a glider knock off of the NASA product. Heard rumor it was stored in a warehouse somewhere that burned down a couple of years ago, and it was a complete loss. A shame, it would have been nice if they had displayed it…somewhere.

1314. CmdrR - July 14, 2014

http://uproxx.com/webculture/2014/07/an-angry-critic-shared-the-notes-she-wrote-while-drunk-watching-transformers-4/

In case you haven’t gotten your T-Bashing in for the week.

1315. AJ - July 14, 2014

1314:

CmdrR:

“This is a two hour and forty f****ng minute long movie in which the only actual plot thread is a man deciding if he will retain ownership of his daughter, peppered with slow motion explosions, incoherent car chase scenes, and battle after battle of CGI robots fighting other CGI robots in such a way that it really just kind of looks like a trash compactor f****ng a junked car in the tailpipe, but less visually discernible.”

is up there in terms of well-written reviews of hideous money-making summer films. There is a grudging respect for Michael Bay, the Hasbro and Paramount execs who, in one of the reviewer’s pieces, “take a s**t on a silver platter” and seem to relish the absurd self-reflection the film must engender in its more self-aware paying audience members.

Even STV never got reviews like this. None of the crap ST films did, because even that dud took its audience quite seriously. At no time did Shatner think, “let’s see just how dumb they all really are.” At least I hope that’s the case.

1316. Harry Ballz - July 15, 2014

On the news today…..Marvel Comics is turning Thor into a woman.

This will happen in the comics, not the movies.

Great, just great.

%#$*&@!!

1317. CmdrR - July 15, 2014

Harry,

from another, less bs-y article:

To be clear: Thor is not becoming a woman; the hammer is being passed on, but the how and why remains unclear, as does the woman’s identity. But so far, this has been revealed:

“The story behind her is she created herself. She was saved by Thor and she came down to Earth, followed him, and made herself look like Thor and so now she’s taking over,” according to the The View.

(Because when I want to know who swings a mean hammer, I tune in The View.)

1318. Harry Ballz - July 15, 2014

CmdrR, I think I’d better get HAMMERED before I read the comic!

1319. Harry Ballz - July 15, 2014

Watched “Gravity” tonight. Enjoyed it. Great musical score and visual effects.

1320. AJ - July 15, 2014

I am currently binge-watching “Breaking Bad” (just getting into Season 3), and all I can say is “Wow.” Talk about story, characters, cast, and themes, and this one is just at the top of its class.

Kudos to John de Lancie for his run as the tragic dad at the end of season 2. Wow.

1321. AJ - July 16, 2014

The Russian press is full of mostly crap (in several senses of the word), but here is something they casually threw out today:

http://rt.com/news/173152-india-prehistoric-aliens-paintings/

1322. Aurore - July 16, 2014

I already said so…I’m saying it again.

….I love the cover art by Juan Ortiz :

http://trekmovie.com/2014/07/16/trekink-star-trek-comics-coming-october-2014/

1323. CmdrR - July 16, 2014

AJ — BB deserves all the praise it has gotten. There is scarcely an ounce of story fat on it. Holler when you’re ready to discuss the ending. No spoilers, but I’ll never hear Badfinger’s song without thinking of WW.

Aurore – I would love to see Ortiz do covers for some of the early Trek novels I remember… like Blish’s “Spock Must Die.” I had the paperback with the cheesy orange cover with Nimoy in the high-collared uni from WNMHGB, playing 3-D chess. Loved it at the time. But, it could use a re-do on the cover. Movie posters would also be cool!! ST TMP could be a giant disco-colored cloud hovering over the bridge, while the crew nods off. Except for Sulu, who apparently could stare at the cloud all bug-eyed forever.

Harry — Sandra Bullock should go weightless in her Space Spanx in all her films.

All — If you’re into documentaries, Jodorowsky’s Dune is epic! Granted the movie that never got made might have been a real acid trip, but at least it wouldn’t be as unwatchably dull as Lynch’s snoozer is today. (Sorry, Gurney!)

link if authorized (you’ve been warned)

https://www.google.com/search?q=jodorowsky%27s+dune&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=EsDFU6TnJoyTyATBj4KYBA&sqi=2&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAw&biw=1600&bih=775

1324. Harry Ballz - July 16, 2014

@1323 CmdrR

“Sandra Bullock should go weightless in her Space Spanx in all her films”

CmdrR, apparently the experts at NASA criticized the scenes with her in her underwear.

It seems when any astronaut gets back to the ship and takes off the space suit, they are seen to be wearing a bulky state-of-the-art adult diaper. They wear it while on a spacewalk in case, well, you know.

Tell me, would “Gravity” have been such a big hit if they had depicted Sandy floating around in a giant diaper?

1325. CmdrR - July 16, 2014

Tell me, would “Gravity” have been such a big hit if they had depicted Sandy floating around in a giant diaper?

Let’s just say I’ve had worse images in my head.

1326. Harry Ballz - July 16, 2014

Oooooh, you be bad!

And I LIKE it!

1327. CmdrR - July 16, 2014

1324 — Speaking of a worse choice for floating around in a giant diaper… In the never made version of Dune in 1975, Jodorowsky’s vision for Baron Harkonnen would have had him naked or damn close… and would have cast… a Paul Mason-swillin’, snow pea-hatin’, Brahman Bull-outweighin’, Orson Welles!

So, Harry… there really are worse possible film images.

1328. TrekMadeMeWonder - July 17, 2014

Hey, you guys should head to the Phaser article and give me a bump if you would like to see original series tech in the next Trek.

Shhh…Bob’s listening…

1329. TrekMadeMeWonder - July 17, 2014

1324. Harry Ballz

Just saw Gravity the other night.

Man that was tough to watch. Seriously, what are people thinking out therel

I wanna know who played the camera man!

1330. CmdrR - July 17, 2014

1329 – What, TMMW? Why wouldn’t NASA, The Russians, China et al line up all of their space projectes on the exact same orbital path just a few miles apart? What could possibly go wrong??

1331. TrekMadeMeWonder - July 17, 2014

What could go wrong was casting Sandra Bullock in the movie.
IDN. I will give it another shot.

There was so much noise in the room as AI was watching I could not follow some of the details, I will give a try later and let you know if it was any better with dialogue I may have missed. It looked real bad though.

1332. TrekMadeMeWonder - July 17, 2014

as I was watching… (AI is a typo and not meant to be interpreted as a machine generated comment). : )

1333. AJ - July 19, 2014

Off to Moscow today To Boldly Go and start my new job.

Yay!

1334. CmdrR - July 19, 2014

Good luck, AJ!
Hope you’re “putin” it to some nice сексуальны женщин.

(If that comes out “flatulent bullmoose” let me know. It was meant to be nicer.

1335. Harry Ballz - July 19, 2014

AJ, may you go balls deep in all your endeavours!

1336. Aurore - July 20, 2014

@1333. AJ – July 19, 2014

“Off to Moscow today To Boldly Go and start my new job.
Yay!”

_________

Best wishes on your new job, AJ!

:)

1337. Harry Ballz - July 20, 2014

RIP JAMES GARNER

86 is a pretty good run!

1338. CmdrR - July 20, 2014

I always enjoyed James Garner. I could watch Great Escape a dozen more times.
RIP indeed. And thank you.

1339. TrekMadeMeWonder - July 21, 2014

1333. AJ

Don’t Drink the Water!

So I hear.

1340. TrekMadeMeWonder - July 22, 2014

Is it me, or is TrekMovie losing a bit of its charm, with so many articles being posted?

1341. Harry Ballz - July 22, 2014

TMMW, what, you’re saying it was better back when we’d get a new thread every 7 weeks?

I’d rather pick and choose from excess than wait forever for crumbs.

1342. TrekMadeMeWonder - July 22, 2014

Yes, Harry.

But the comments section is what built this site’s popularity.
No one posts in the Page 2 articles or even checks them.

Perhaps TM should make page 1 “twice as deep” so that the articles can stay aroud for a little longer
.

I doubt any comments section will ever achieve 100 posts again, at this pace.
.

1343. CmdrR - July 22, 2014

http://www.accessatlanta.com/feed/entertainment/is-zoe-saldana-hiding-a-baby-bump/fgMqc/

Maybe this will get some posts.

Uhura’s hailing frequencies were open — **music stab as Spock administers Vulcan neck pinch, causing CmdrR to lose consciousness…**

1344. Harry Ballz - July 22, 2014

I hope Saldana IS pregnant. Get her off the screens for a while.

She is really becoming horribly overexposed.

Funny how a select few actors gobble up ALL the parts available.

There must be a LOT of untapped talent out there. “Let’s see what’s out there!”

1345. CmdrR - July 22, 2014

“Funny how a select few actors gobble up ALL the parts available.”

It’s called Box Office, Harry. Zoe was out there working, but Trek and Avatar made her career. She’s a decent actor when she chooses the right part. Meanwhile, Adam Sandler is still permitted to continue making films, so Zoe should not be top of your list of over-rewarded actors.

1346. Marja - July 22, 2014

1340 TMMW, Yeah, I’m starting to feel the same way. Not many substantive discussions going on.

Some of the “substantive discussions,” though, got a bit too tendentious, and the long scholarly “why I’m right and you are wrong” posts from IDIC and TUP were damned irritating. Not discussion, but more like Handing Down The Word From On High, those stratospheric heights where only True Trek Fans exist, Titan-like, worshipping at the feet of Shatner. At least Cygnus, long-winded though he is, would discuss, not argue. And usually he managed to do it without insulting the people he disagreed with. [Not always.]

Can’t we all just get along. Isn’t it okay if I like Trek, nearly all Trek? Must I be a mindless idiot to like NuTrek? Really?

Feh!

But so help me, if I see one more “go buy this merchandise!” post …! Maybe there’s a movie in there somewhere … “The Geek with the Five Million Dollar Basement”

1347. Marja - July 22, 2014

1342 TMMW “Perhaps TM should make page 1 “twice as deep” so that the articles can stay aroud for a little longer”

Agreed. Because only 1 in 3 articles is remotely interesting to me ….

1345 CmdrR, agreed. I’d call Saldana a better than decent actor.

Harry has a point. When someone makes it big in one screen hit, suddenly they seem to be the only actor considered for other “hits” in development.

While I’m happy as hell to see Amy Adams and Jennifer Lawrence getting a huge variety of parts to play [and play so very well], I’m a little sad for other very talented actresses ….

As you say, I guess it all totals up to “who’s hot now,” and “who will bring in the box office?”

1348. Harry Ballz - July 22, 2014

I watched all 6 episodes of the first season for Sensitive Skin tonight, the new HBO series starring Kim Cattrall.

It was clever, funny and well done. I would recommend it.

Oh, and it’s Canadian, with the whole thing taking place in Toronto.

1349. Disinvited - July 23, 2014

#1344. Harry Ballz – July 22, 2014

It’s official: Saldana is Peregonant.

1350. Disinvited - July 23, 2014

#1344. Harry Ballz – July 22, 2014

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/zoe-saldana-is-pregnant-719793?mobile_redirect=false

1351. Silvereyes - July 23, 2014

1346 Marja

“Not discussion, but more like Handing Down The Word From On High, those stratospheric heights where only True Trek Fans exist, Titan-like, worshipping at the feet of Shatner. At least Cygnus, long-winded though he is, would discuss, not argue. And usually he managed to do it without insulting the people he disagreed with. [Not always.]”

Well said and this applies, unfortunately, to many people here. As regards discussing and not insulting, I wish Keachick would do the same… How she replies seems to depend on her mood at the time more so than on the subject at hand, as she herself has pointed out in a not too distant post…

However, it’s very easy to misinterpret the tone of someone in written words, but the writer should take this into account and write responsibly.

1352. Harry Ballz - July 23, 2014

@1350

I wonder if they can narrow down who the father is? This gal gets around, if you catch my drift.

1353. Phil - July 23, 2014

I see that the Trek 3 producers have already had conversations with the Avatar 2 producers about shooting schedules…

And…(gasp)…Zoe Saldana mentioned in an interview that Uhura’s role in TOS was eye candy, and does agree that TOS was a bit sexist. Not really something we didn’t know, but it’s nice to hear someone connected with the new productions to speak candidly about it.

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/guardians-of-the-galaxy-star-zoe-saldana-on-avatar-92649689017.html

1354. Cygnus-X1 - July 24, 2014

1346. Marja – July 22, 2014

It’s not about being a mindless idiot for the likes of you; it’s about not being bothered or as bothered by things that other people are bothered by. For example, I know that you’re somewhat bothered by the degree and amount of violence in the BR Trek movies. I see your point, but I’m not bothered enough by it such that it would ruin the movies for me—except for the issue of Spock being constantly violent, which does ruin that character for me, and for that reason it’s on the laundry list of items that ruin the BR movies for me. But, the violence per se is not an issue that I’ve ever complained about.

Turning the tables, I know that you are bothered by the imbalance in the ratio of action to drama in the BR Trek movies, but it doesn’t ruin the movies for you. That issue does, however, ruin the movies for me. It’s a deal-breaker. They just don’t feel like Trek. And any good ideas that might have been gone into the script will necessarily be “dumbed down” by the fact that such a paucity of time is spent developing and fleshing them out.

If you’ve only got 30 seconds of screen time to spend on a given concept (like the MWI time-travel device of ST09), thought-provoking as that concept might be if explored/examined/developed more deeply, it is necessarily going to be more superficially and shallowly treated as a result of not valuing it enough to spend more screen time on it. And an inherently uninteresting concept, like Kirk being chased by a monster, is going to bother me more for the amount of screen time that it takes away from the potentially thought-provoking concept of MWI (or whatever).

This issue bothers me. It seems a travesty, an injustice, to turn Trek into this kind of a movie—a comic-book/action movie the likes of which are a dime a dozen these days. But, obviously you’re not as bothered by this issue as I and others are. It’s not a deal-breaker for you.

I’ve always maintained, however, that if the majority of the problems that people like me tend to complain about were fixed in the BR Trek movies, the people who currently like them would like them even more. And so would the people who don’t currently like them. Except for the issue of Trek having been turned into comic-book/action genre movies, from the thoughtful sci-fi that it has traditionally been since 1966. There’s no pleasing both sides on that issue, if there even is a side that prefers Trek as comic-book/action over what it has traditionally been. If there is such a faction of Trekkies/ers, I suspect that they are new to the franchise relatively few in number.

1355. CmdrR - July 24, 2014

I’m sensing negativity in this room.

1356. Harry Ballz - July 24, 2014

@1355

No flies on you, CmdrR!

1357. Disinvited - July 24, 2014

#1355. CmdrR – July 24, 2014

When Darth sensed a disturbance in the Force, it was a good thing wasn’t it?

1358. Harry Ballz - July 24, 2014

Discussing Star Wars on a Star Trek site?

“I have a bad feeling about this”

1359. Cygnus-X1 - July 25, 2014

1355. CmdrR – July 24, 2014

There’s no negativity.

Except for my negating the notion of negativity.

And two negatives make a positive.

So, there’s actually positivity.

1360. Marja - July 25, 2014

Cygnus, I know that you are bothered by the imbalance in the ratio of action to drama in the BR Trek movies, but it doesn’t ruin the movies for you. That issue does, however, ruin the movies for me. It’s a deal-breaker. They just don’t feel like Trek. And any good ideas that might have been gone into the script will necessarily be “dumbed down” by the fact that such a paucity of time is spent developing and fleshing them out.

The drama is often ruined, I agree, and I think you’ve read enough of my comments to know that I think that. And what is the drama? It’s the exposition of the problems, be they scientific or planetary socio-political, the rescue of this at the cost of that, the possible solutions, discussions, the arguments, and the science that can help us solve those problems, and implementing the solution in time. But it’s also the PEOPLE.

The main thing I like about NuTrek is its heart — the cast was perfectly chosen and the tiny bits of emotional acting they get to do are wonderfully done. [And okay, I really love that snazzy new Enterprise and her ample nacelles.] But too much time is wasted in Action!Violence!Action! I think we agree on that. To say that the action&c! “doesn’t ruin the movies for me” is not quite true; I see the movies and suck up whatever drama there is, and try to ignore the violence and stupid science. There is too much of both.

We differ on the AltUniverse thing for various reasons, but the main thing I see the traditionalists complaining about is that the characters are not exactly like their TOS counterparts. Which I don’t get, because they’re NOT the same. [We've probably been over this ground too.] Some have said, then why name them Kirk and Spock and so on? And I say, why not give these characters some variance from the characters we saw and know and love from the 1960s? Why not have some scope to explore different things dramatically. Why not say, “what if …?”

I disliked that they took all this potential and wasted it on a nu telling of “Khan,” but I did find the Kirk and Spock dramatic arcs in STiD interesting rather than a strict “ripoff”; they reflected those in the TOS Khan movie, but examined them from the “wasted youth” and “loss of a potential lifelong friendship” point of view. I thought that was kind of neat. Right up until Spock yelled, “Khaaaannnn!”

In an ideal world I would bring this cast to TV for a 10-15 episode season every year, with the kinds of stories TOS could tell, along with the dramatic investment in the characters we got with DS9. We’d get to see McCoy sweating a planetary medical emergency operation or an ethical medical dilemma. And really sweating it, having discussions with the people he trusts to help him make the right decision. And making it and not having everybody like what he decided. Urban could act the hell outta that. So could Pine, with a command operations dilemma. And I see every other cast member able to act the hell outta whatever drama they got to do that week, separately or in ensemble.

In an ideal world, Trek would not have to be made for “actioner” audiences.

But the fact that I enjoy it for the tiny bits does not make me some kind of traitor, idiot or other variety of dolt. I know you have not accused me of this, but I’ve seen a lot of commentary from the Oscar and Herbert types that say this quite plainly of NuTrek fans.

I accept it for what it is, but agree that it could be so much better. I’m mainly a fan of the actors and the parts they play — but that they have to play in really short bursts — I’m not a fan of that part. I really hope Trek gets the chance to be so much more than actioner movies, but in the meantime [shrug] there’s not much I can do except bi tch on Trekmovie.

if the majority of the problems that people like me [Cygnus] tend to complain about were fixed in the BR Trek movies, the people who currently like them would like them even more. Yep. I would, especially if they toned down the blasted violence, and invited me to explore.

1361. Cygnus-X1 - July 25, 2014

Marja, I appreciate your response, but do your posts really have to be so long?

1362. CmdrR - July 25, 2014

1356 – Just the one, for modesty’s sake.

1363. CmdrR - July 25, 2014

Anyhoodles…

http://radiotvtalk.blog.ajc.com/2014/07/24/dragoncon-2014-lineup-includes-patrick-stewart-lou-ferrigno-walter-koenig-mary-mcdonnell-sean-maguire/

1364. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - July 25, 2014

Hello Everyone Did not realise Building a new home would be so much fun and yet so much work. Lol.

1365. Marja - July 25, 2014

Keep your eye on those contractors, Emperor Mike. An agonizer must be handy at all times!

1366. Marja - July 25, 2014

Actually it would take a pretty brave company to contract with you, esteemed Emperor ….

1367. Marja - July 25, 2014

1361 Cygnus, I can bloviate with the best of ‘em ;-)

1368. Harry Ballz - July 25, 2014

THAR SHE BLOVIATES!

1369. Cygnus-X1 - July 26, 2014

A hump like a snow-hill! It is Marja Dick!

;-)

1370. Cygnus-X1 - July 26, 2014

If anyone is thinking that sounds vulgar, let me assure you that it’s 100% due to your own filthy, filthy mind.

1371. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - July 26, 2014

Harry. Areyou talking about Dirance again. Oops.
Runs and hides again!

1372. CmdrR - July 26, 2014

Hump like a snow-hill?
Hey, that was college, man! Don’t be a hater!

1373. Harry Ballz - July 26, 2014

Emperor Mike, you better hide!

Mentioning the Durance name, she of NO talent, is worth 10 hours in the Agony Booth.

Oh, and to be clear, this Agony Booth involves you being strapped in a chair, eyes pried open a la Clockwork Orange, and being forced to watch every crappy “acting” scene the Durance has ever done.

It would be more engaging to watch a Mother Horta sh*t a brick!

God help us all!

1374. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - July 26, 2014

No Harry!!!! Please not that!!!!. I’ll do anything!!!! Anything!!!! Just not the Durance Torture!!!!!! Please Harry. have mercy on me!!!!!!

1375. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - July 26, 2014

No Harry!!!! Please not that!!!!. I’ll do anything!!!! Anything!!!! Just not the Durance Torture!!!!!! Please Harry. have mercy on me!!!!!!

1376. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - July 26, 2014

No Harry!!!! Please not that!!!!. I’ll do anything!!!! Anything!!!! Just not the Durance Torture!!!!!! Please Harry. have mercy on me!!!!!!

1377. Marja - July 26, 2014

Yes, I can be something of a dik, someone who’s flounced off another thread in indignation that women disagree with her :-P … apparently I’m very “junior high.”

1378. Marja - July 26, 2014

1369 Cygnus, “she tasks me, she tasks me …”

1379. Harry Ballz - July 26, 2014

Emperor Mike…………..since you begged three times……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………NO!!!

I will not show mercy! When it comes to matters of the Durance, order must be maintained!

On with the Booth!

Any final words?

1380. AJ - July 27, 2014

Guys:

In real life, moved to Moscow, started new job, got new apartment, getting settled in.

Job is extremely bureaucratic in a sort of ex-Soviet desk-bound paper-pusher kind of way, but hopefully I will be able to escape much of that drudgery. I’ll know more as I get further in.

Looks like I didn’t miss much here.

And, by the way–no, the Garden of Eden is not “just outside Moscow,” and Scotch was not “inwented by a little old lady from Leningrad.”

I know that now.

1381. Aurore - July 27, 2014

@ 1380. AJ – July 27, 2014

“…In real life, moved to Moscow, started new job, got new apartment, getting settled in….”

____________

Hi, AJ!

It’s good to hear from you!

(Thank you for sharing.)

1382. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - July 27, 2014

Noooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1383. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - July 27, 2014

Well. I don’t know if I Khan’t take him in the next movie.

AJ it’s good to hear from you ole friend.

1384. Marja - July 27, 2014

AJ, just remember the words of Tommy Smothers, “if you drink too much wodka you womit.”

Here’s hoping the job will soon be more to your taste. Less bureaucracy, more … I don’t know, snow? Snow bunnies?
—————————————————————————————————-
Emperor Mike, have the builders install an Agony Booth. They won’t know what it is until too late, BWAHahahaha

1385. Harry Ballz - July 27, 2014

Is Emperor Mike in the Agony Booth?

Good.

Start the show, beginning with Durance’s first appearance on the TV show Smallville.

Watch as she tries to act, and I do mean TRIES.

“the horror……the horror!”

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

1386. Silvereyes - July 28, 2014

1385 My friend Harry

OK, so she’s Canadian. Maybe she was in TO at some point and you met her some way or another. You asked her out (Harry, she is gorgeous, you must have asked her out!) she refused and voilà, eternal scorn!

Well, maybe she wasn’t respectful in her refusal. It’s quite possible she’s full of herself. These starlets usually are, especially the non-talented ones. Let me tell you, for her to refuse the advances, made quite appropriately I’m sure, of a suave gentleman such as you Harry, well she deserves everything she gets!

This is my theory to explain Harry’s vitriolic disgust with Durance… :)

1387. Harry Ballz - July 28, 2014

1386

That’s an interesting theory, Silvereyes.

So, you’re suggesting that I think Durance is a lousy actor because she failed to act on my supposed interest?

1388. CmdrR - July 28, 2014

AJ – Here’s something to bring up at your next meeting with Putin…

http://uproxx.com/tv/2014/07/john-oliver-space-geckos-russia/

If Putin won’t listen to you, and a certain captain of a certain starship, then he needs to hop on the Siberian express!

1389. Silvereyes - July 28, 2014

1387 Harry

“So, you’re suggesting that I think Durance is a lousy actor because she failed to act on my supposed interest?”

Hell hath no fury Harry!

I’m kidding of course. You told the story before…

1390. Harry Ballz - July 28, 2014

1389

Oh, I know you’re kidding, Silvereyes.

That’s why I was half-tempted to say that Durance DID accept my advances, we had one glorious night together, and now I have to keep criticizing her because she won’t leave me alone!

She’s harder to shake than snot off a fingernail!

M’yeah, sure, that’s what happened.

1391. Disinvited - July 28, 2014

# 1373. Harry Ballz – July 26, 2014

” It would be more engaging to watch a Mother Horta sh*t a brick!” — Harry Ballz

Harry! Watch out! Those ain’t bricks! They’re eggs!

1392. Harry Ballz - July 28, 2014

Oh, good. Now pick up those eggs and throw them at the Durance.

1393. CmdrR - July 28, 2014

1392 – Throwing silicone (McCoy pronunciation) nodules at a Hollywood actress?
Sounds like a waste of time.

1394. Harry Ballz - July 28, 2014

Yes, and she’s HAD implants in an attempt to help her career, since talent wasn’t there.

1395. CmdrR - July 28, 2014

OH!
So THAT’s why Erica Durance’s boobs were seen scuttling along the floor, leaving behind a singed message that read: “No Thrill I”

1396. Harry Ballz - July 28, 2014

PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT:

To all our wonderful female posters here at Chat: All letters of complaint may be addressed to CmdrR care of this station.

Quick, everybody try to look busy!

1397. CmdrR - July 28, 2014

Whuh?

Just because I made fun of Erica Durance’s little devils in the dark?

Like your stuff is so sweet n’ nice, Harry…

1398. Harry Ballz - July 28, 2014

Oh, I know, CmdrR.

You can always count on me……..to throw you under the bus!

p.s. my stuff ain’t sweet n’ nice?

1399. Harry Ballz - July 28, 2014

Oh, also, never mind that sh*t!

CmdrR, join me on the bunny thread. I’m arguing that one of the bunnies is a dude!

1400. Basement Blogger - July 28, 2014

Here’s the short review of “Lucy.” It’s an entertaining summer popcorn movie about …. human evolution, existence, time and space. I left the theater thinking about what makes us human. This type of human evolution has been covered in 2001: A Space Odyssey. I applaud Luc Besson for bringing the topic back again in film.. The grade is A.

Full review with trailer.
http://berniebasementblog.blogspot.com/2014/07/lucy-review.html

1401. CmdrR - July 28, 2014

1399 — Lord, Harry! Which one??

Oh.

Those actually are manly arms… and the tricorder could be hiding a multitude of… well one of… urm…

1402. Harry Ballz - July 28, 2014

@1401

CmdrR, that “Oh” of yours cracked me up. Well done, sir.

The tricorder is hiding,what, ………………dilithium crystals?

:>)

1403. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - July 29, 2014

When it comes to Durance. Let me quote the king.
She’s the Devil in Disquise.
Lol.

1404. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - July 29, 2014

And now back to our feature staring Durance.
The Blob.
Staring Durance as The Blob.
I know Harry. She is always getting typecast.

1405. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - July 29, 2014

Oh and CmdrR I read once on TMZ that Durance was Spurned once. She said she could not believe it. She said that this guy was the first and only one to Spurn her Advance. It made her a little crazy.
Looks like it might have been our own Harry.

1406. CmdrR - July 29, 2014

1402 – I was preparing to argue with you, Harry. I used to go to DragonCon back in the ’80’s, when it was small. The Trekkies in those days were… um… well, let’s just say the new generation has discovered pilates. (I include the men in my previous assessment, btw.) It’s nice to see the fleet got the memo on personal fitness.

Anyway… the bunnies mostly look magnificent.

1407. Marja - July 29, 2014

1399 Harry, I think yes, transgender, and mighty pretty too. Or simply a transvestite, though boobies would be pretty hard to fake in that costume.

1400 Bernie, I love Luc Besson, his female characters being the heroines of each movie, and his mind-bending style. “Leon: The Professional” is one of my fave films. I recently saw “The Fifth Element” on Netflix, like, what, 12 years too late? But it was still great. Back in the day when Bruce Willis was not quite yet a caricature … All I have to do now is convince my friend to see “Lucy” — or maybe I’ll fly solo for that one. I like Scarlett Johanssen. [obligatory fem-sexist Star Wars joke: Heh-heh, I'd like to fly Solo]

1406 CmdrR, Yes, I remember the days. Back at the Hunt Valley MD Con [ShoreLeave, I think], in 1982, I was comfortable appearing in costume [Like "Grizabella", 'I was beauuuutiful then']. Alas, no more … and now, even to show up in uniform, I’d feel embarrassed. Starfleet personnel, even if they’re pretend, should at least look halfway fit. I’m getting there, but. No bunny.

1408. CmdrR - July 29, 2014

“I’d like to fly Solo”

Marja! An openly sexist comment about a beloved genre character!

(What took you so long?)

1409. Harry Ballz - July 29, 2014

@1407 Marja

Hmmmm, a transgender who likes to dress up as a Star Trek bunny?

Now there’s something you don’t see every day!

As Harvey Korman proclaimed in Blazing Saddles……”KINKY!”

1410. Disinvited - July 29, 2014

# 1407. Marja – July 29, 2014

” All I have to do now is convince my friend to see “Lucy” — or maybe I’ll fly solo for that one. I like Scarlett Johanssen. [obligatory fem-sexist Star Wars joke: Heh-heh, I'd like to fly Solo]” — Marja

Poor, Napoleon all the ladies think of Han when they want to fly Solo. Nobody remembers his uncle.

1411. Cygnus-X1 - July 29, 2014

The reviews for Lucy are decidedly mixed.

“Dumb” appears over and over in the reviews.

The premise that humans only use 10% of their brains is an urban legend that has actually been debunked. I read an article about this earlier in the year, I think.

Also, this movie seems like a reboot of Limitless (2011), or at least similar in premise.

I suppose I could be dragged along to see this one, but I’m not going out of my way for it.

In defense of Luc Besson, however I will say that Messenger: The Story of Joan of Arc (1999) is an underrated movie. Besson tells a great story there, with a visual style that keeps it compelling all the way through.

1412. Basement Blogger - July 29, 2014

@ 1141

Cygnus

Surprise, surprise, surprise. Cygnus gives an opinion on a movie that he hasn’t seen. Next up. He bends facts to support that opinion. W ow, comparing “Lucy” to “Limitless” completely demonstrates your “shoot from the hip” commentary. You hate what you don’t understand.

Since you haven’t seen “Lucy” and I have seen both movies, let’s go over where you are full of it. Please stop reading if reading is difficult for you because I note with Marja you complained about her posts. “Limitless” dealt with a drug that was a MacGuffin (unexplained plot device)
which gave the user enhanced brain functions. Kind of like steroids for a baseball player. “Lucy” is about human evolution. See if you had seen the film, they even mention Lucy, the hominid.. They don’t just mention her, they show our ancient relative. And you see Scarlet Johansson’s character is named “Lucy.”

The type of evolution Besson is writing about is the evolution of the brain, not enhancing it. If you had seen the movie, Morgan Freeman’s character talks about dolphins and the ability of their brains to use sonar. It’s this type of awareness and manipulation of one’s environment that is the center of Lucy. Super intelligence? Remembering everything in one’s life? Super awareness of the environment? Telekinesis? Maybe. Yes, it is speculative. The film is science fiction.

You’ve probably stopped reading by now. But let me say that the same subject of human evolution was covered in the movie 2001: A Space Odyssey and also in the book of the same name by Arthur C. Clarke. I don’t think anybody has called 2001 dumb. Spoiler alert. In the book and movie, Astronaut Bowman evolves into the Star Child. In the book, the Star Child can manipulate objects like detonating a nuclear warhead. In both he can travel in space without a space suit. Want to call 2001 dumb?

I applaud Luc Besson for tackling human evolution and existence in a summer movie. And while he is way too brief in the philosophical discussion of what is a human, Besson at least asks you to thing about it. Again, if you had seen the movie you would have seen scenes of humanity from performance of the arts to solving a Rubik’s cube.

And by the way, let me make this clear. I hated it when you insinuated that I was MJ, one of his sock puppets. You never apologized for that. And if you want to know my real name, it’s Bernie Wong. You can see it on my blog.

1413. Basement Blogger - July 29, 2014

Correction:

My previous post was addressed to number 1411.

1414. Cygnus-X1 - July 30, 2014

Yikes.

Well, I’m certainly not going to apologize to you if you’re a dick.

I don’t hate “Lucy.” And I wasn’t implying anything disparaging about your review of it. I can’t hate what I haven’t seen, and my comment was merely expressing my impression of what I have seen about it in the reviews and in the trailer. What I have seen has not sold me on the movie, but I’m not opposed to seeing it, as I said.

And I haven’t complained about any of Marja’s posts, in the least. She knows that my comments to her were tongue-in-cheek friendly banter and for the purposes of communicating ideas and fostering discussion about mutually interesting issues.

Lighten up, “Bernie.”

1415. Silvereyes - July 30, 2014

… We have some mighty sensitive people here… yup.

1416. james forsher - July 30, 2014

Gene Roddenberry Project update:

The Kickstarter campaign to fund the documentary is nearing 2/3 funding with 10 days to go.

The documentary features a lost interview with Roddenberry, who personally narrates the challenges of censorship and prejudice he faced in bringing the original series to air.

1417. Marja - July 30, 2014

1408 CmdrR, Heh-heh, I’ve done it here before. You just didn’t catch it. I tend to avoid doing it on the main boards, but here in Chat we’re all a little more “kicked back.” I picture us all hanging out in a bar in someone’s basement, running our favorite movies, hoisting drinks, and ribbing each other in a spirit of fun.

So, guys, if you talk Leia-in-the-bikini, I’ll talk flying Solo. Or if you talk about Carol or Uhura in their respective LOOK UNDIES! scenes, I’ll talk imagining Spock in a swimsuit. “Sauce for the goose …” as TWOK Spock once said ;-).

1409 Harry, If you were a transgender female Trek fan and Bunny wannabe, wouldn’t that be the *ultimate* in cosplay? showing off the new bod, in a Star Trek context, and appear in an ultra-sexualized role for all the boys ….

1410 Disinvited, Heh! — a lot more of us were into Ilya Kuryakin [the very handsome David McCallum]. Though I don’t typically go for blonds, there are some mighty handsome blond actors out there.
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At the risk of having a pitcher of ice water thrown over my head …

Cygnus and Bernie, please, please — in the spirit of our mutually enjoying Chat — can you guys make up and shake hands? Name-calling [that Bernie is being a "dick"], saying people are sockpuppeting without checking with Admin first, and attacking viewpoints [because, to be fair, Cygnus said it *seems like* a reboot of Limitless (2011), or at least *similar in premise*] is not nice. I like both of you guys, please don’t act like that … [and yes, this is what I'd say if we were in that basement bar]. C’mon, dudes.

1418. CmdrR - July 30, 2014

Messenger: The Story of Joan of Arc (1999) is excellent. Well worth finding. Milla Jovovitch, pre- 5th Element, Resident Evil.

1419. Harry Ballz - July 30, 2014

@1417

I agree with Marja. It may be a bloodbath on the regular threads, but we’re amongst friends here. Chat is a “laid-back, everything’s cool” kind of place.

Chill.

1420. Cygnus-X1 - July 30, 2014

I’m going to pretend that no one is doing the false equivalency thing that’s so irritating. I’m going to pretend that no one is blaming me for something that I said ONCE like 5 months ago and never mentioned again. And I’m going to glide right by all of this….

Moving right along….

1421. Cygnus-X1 - July 30, 2014

P.S.

For future reference, if you want everything to be cool, then don’t pile on after the little kerfuffle has already ended.

1422. Harry Ballz - July 30, 2014

Cygnus-X1, I assure you, it’s a friendly bunch here. We’re not taking sides.

1423. CmdrR - July 31, 2014

**looks at thread**
**checks calendar**

Yup. Same shat, different day.

**climbs back in his Khan sleepyboy tube**

1424. Harry Ballz - July 31, 2014

It’s time for the old joke of the day:

A little Indian boy asks his father “Papa, how did your father name you?”
“Well, son, my mother gave birth to me and my father came out of teepee to see big black bear, so he named me Big Black Bear”
The boy continued, “So, what of my two sisters names?”
“Well, son, your first sister was born and I went out of teepee to see little white dove, so I named her Little White Dove. Your second sister was born and I came out from teepee to see a herd of deer grazing, so I named her Grazing Deer. Why do you ask Two Dogs F*cking?”

1425. TrekMadeMeWonder - July 31, 2014

1412. Basement Blogger

I take one good thing from your well typed post. You pointed out your Blog! Thanks.

A good tip that all the regulars should be using by now.
I will take a look later.

BTW. I have a site too, but gotta think about showing you.

1426. Marja - July 31, 2014

1424 Harry, that joke is so old. But still funny.

PS Cygnus, it was all fine from your end, but I don’t think it was fine at Bernie’s. That’s why I said what I said. Ice water received.

1427. Harry Ballz - July 31, 2014

Hey! Anthony Pascale is back! He just posted on the Saldana thread! Yikes!

1428. Cygnus-X1 - July 31, 2014

I wonder where he’s been…what mysterious and wondrous creatures, places and things he’s seen during his two-year chautauqua in the wilderness…

Maybe he’s developed magical powers…like second sight…or mastered the art of fighting without fighting….

Or maybe he’s returned to lead us all to a new glorious era of Trek!

Follow the gourd!!

1429. AJ - July 31, 2014

1427: Harry: God, that’s awful.

I guess the Star Trek Vegas Con is up and going at this point.

Even Harlan Ellison has shown up, most likely for the paycheck. I wonder if he has a lawyer with him?

1430. Marja - July 31, 2014

1429 AJ, I assume you’re referring to Harry’s awwwwful joke, not the return of Himself, Anthony Pascale ;-)

1431. Phil - July 31, 2014

Well, AP poked his head in the door in May of 2013….something about a movie being released, I guess. then disappeared for 14 months. Time will tell if he’s passing through or reestablishing the homestead…

1432. Anthony Pascale - July 31, 2014

ive been back a while actually working with the team editing and stuff and working on new site redesign. i’m here to stay

1433. Aurore - August 1, 2014

“ive been back a while actually working with the team editing and stuff and working on new site redesign. ”

_______

…I suspected as much….

Your fat a** is back.

(Just testing ; delete this post!…and, welcome back…)

:)

1434. Aurore - August 1, 2014

@ 1429. AJ – July 31, 2014

“….God, that’s awful.”

_______

It’s a disaster…

:)

1435. Mike Barnett - August 1, 2014

Well, that explains why this site came alive the past few weeks. Glad AP is back. Special thanks to Matt, Kayla and others for keeping Trekmovie going the past year or so.

1436. CmdrR - August 1, 2014

Daddy, Anthony… can we have avatars for the chat… and edit capabilities for the first 5 minutes after posting… and a pony… and…

Welcome back, sir!

1437. AJ - August 1, 2014

And a CHAT refresh.

Time to to kick this joint into high gear, I guess.

Welcome Back, Anthony!

1438. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - August 1, 2014

Hey Anthony. Great to see and know you are back. You have been missed

1439. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - August 1, 2014

Ok. Who here has seen Sharknado on syfy. Ok I have. Lol. Campy movie in the veins of rocky horror. But at least will Wheaton hit eaten up by a shark in the second movie. On and it had a lot of star cameos. Lol. Oh and it had a 3.9 rating. The biggest ever for syfy. Lol

1440. Red Dead Ryan - August 1, 2014

Harry Ballz will be happy to know that Rob Ford (at least in “Sharknado 2: The Second One) was killed by a shark….

1441. Harry Ballz - August 1, 2014

WONDERFUL! LONG OVERDUE!

1442. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - August 1, 2014

Hey Harry. Maybe if we are lucky Ericka Durance will be eaten by a shark in Sharknado 3. Lol.

1443. Harry Ballz - August 1, 2014

Nah, Emperor Mike, even sharks have standards!

1444. Marja - August 1, 2014

Gad yes, AP, echoing Mike Barnett:

Anthony, an edit function would be so great.

And avatars :-)

Welcome back, and big thanks to Matt and Kayla for managing this crazy place for the last year +.

1445. CmdrR - August 1, 2014

GotG is epic popcorn chomping at its best.
The story is fun enough… even if some parts just kinda hang there like dry limbs. (If you’re gonna hire Glenn Close, shouldn’t she do something worth doing?) The visuals are stunning, of course, especially the landscapes. I say of course after sitting through the epic-long closing credits that show a city-sized list of digital techs. Zoe was good, but not the best part of the film. Karen Gillen was barely recognizable — again, you get one of the best-looking gals in sci-fi and bury her in goo and blue. ????? I dunno. Then again, no one throws $170M my way and says, “Go make!”
Overall, it’s a great night at the movies. Great, as in fun. World-changing or even memorable? Maybe not. That just ain’t what movies are about now.
But, fun is good.

1446. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - August 1, 2014

I just saw Gravity for the first time. Wow! What a great Movie. will be seeing GOTG on Sunday. can’t wait.

1447. Harry Ballz - August 1, 2014

Gee, Emperor Mike, I would describe you as a KEEN movie-goer.

:>)

1448. Disinvited - August 1, 2014

#1446-1448. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire – August 1, 2014

Three out of three WOWs? It must be good!

I adore Sandra Bullock. Thanks for the excuse.

1449. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - August 1, 2014

Lmao. Did not mean to do that. But what ever works. Right. Lol

1450. CmdrR - August 2, 2014

I definitely recommend “Penny Dreadful” for anyone who likes horror, genre, or just good acting. Timothy Dalton shows more here than in all his Bond outings combined. Bond Gal Eva Green goes through hell on screen — literally. There’s a fan-boyish quality of this monster meets that monster meets the next monster, but so far it’s been handled very well. The effects are marvelous, as are the production values overall. John Logan (OK, Nemesis sucked, but Gladiator, Skyfall, and Hugo were pretty damned cool!) helms this unwieldy beast. Billie Piper (Weepy Rose Tyler) also shows up as a weepy dying hooker. Gul David Warner also checks in before walking into the five lights all-too-soon. Some of the supporting players could use a little more seasoning, with the Dorian Gray guy riding way too much on his girly-boy looks. But on the whole it’s worth 8 hours of your time (10 next year in season 2).

1451. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - August 2, 2014

Ok. I just watched Sharknado 2 again and Will Wheaton and his wife were eaten by the sharks. Lol.

1452. CmdrR - August 3, 2014

I know Sharnado 2 is supposed to be bad, but couldn’t they have spent a dime and made the cgi less bullsh*t awful?

1453. Harry Ballz - August 3, 2014

Couldn’t Plan Nine From Outer Space not have headstones on graves that don’t move when you walk by them?

1454. CmdrR - August 3, 2014

1453 –
“You only moved the headstones! You buried those people in an ancient Indian spongecake farm!”

Yes, Harry. But, Ed Wood thought “Plan 9 from Outer Space” was good. NO ONE thinks Sharknado is good. Therefore, they have to achieve satire… not sh*t.

Anyhoo…

1455. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - August 3, 2014

Ok.I have to admit that I loved Sharknado.
The reason is. It’s Campy fun. I do not in any way take the movie seriously. I love the fact that the Cgi is weak. To me that makes it more campy like the old B movies in the 50s and 60s. Like Earth VS the Flying Saucers the Day of the Triffed’s. I love the fact that some big stars did appear and some were killed by the shark’s in Shark Nado 2. Including Will Weaton and Kelly Osborns and Etc. Hell. Even Matt Laur and Al Roker were on there and even they killed a Shark.
I can’t wait to see what they do with SharkNado 3. Lol. Yes. it’s already been green lit.

1456. CmdrR - August 3, 2014

“…SharkNado 3. Lol. Yes. it’s already been green lit.”

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!!

1457. Cygnus-X1 - August 3, 2014

Shatner Tweets at NASA; NASA responds: http://www.businessinsider.com/william-shatner-nasa-tweet-2014-8

1458. Harry Ballz - August 3, 2014

Watched “Non-Stop” tonight.

Mindless “thriller”.

Should have been a lead in his 40’s, not 60’s.

Get real. Dump Liam and get someone better.

1459. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - August 4, 2014

Ok. Went and seen Guardens of the Galaxy.
Wonderful movie.
Great Action with a bit of Comedy. I won’t post any Spoiler’s here.
On a Scale of 1 to 5. I give it a 4 and a half.

1460. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - August 4, 2014

Oh if you see the movie. Stay to the very end. There is a bonus scene and what you will see may or may not shock you. Howard.

1461. CmdrR - August 4, 2014

1460 – Thanks for the spoiler alert.

1462. Phil - August 4, 2014

@1454. I suspect that every producer and director who sets out to make a movie thinks they are doing something good. Don’t believe me, when Roberto comments about his work here he speaks as though everything he does is worthy of an Oscar or Emmy nomination….

There can be artistic and financial successes. Or both. Trek right now is a financial success again, it gets people in the seats, and they tell passable stories. I’m happy with that.

1463. CmdrR - August 4, 2014

CNN gave Nichelle a nice write-up.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/04/showbiz/star-trek-legend/index.html?hpt=hp_c3

1464. CmdrR - August 4, 2014

1462 – Orci speaks in p.r. releases. Wouldn’t surprise me if he consults the studio before farting.

I was just saying that Sharknado is bad. S-2 is also bad. On a scale of low budget films that know they’re not Citizen Cane, but promise fun anyway… Sharknado gets a 1.2. Army of Darkness gets the 10 on that scale. More recently, I can truly recommend “Snowpiercer.” It lets the audience know several times that it’s not really serious… just action/fun.
Others on that scale that come to mind:
Princess Bride: solid 10.
Warm Bodies: 8.5.
Shaun of the Dead: 10.
Tim Burton’s Dark Shadows: 2.3.

These are facts and may be argued by nobody!! Ever!! So there!!

(OR… enjoy the movies you enjoy. God bless!)

1465. Phil - August 4, 2014

@1464. I got three words for you – Mystery Science Theater 3000…okay, four words. Been enjoying the intentionally bad for some time now, but I’d still bet you a buck that when all those directors get up in the morning thinking their masterpiece awaits…

Yeah, Orci can be interesting and infuriating to listen to. Just once I’d like to hear an entertainment reporter tell him to either pull the microphone out of his ass and tell us something, or just shut the f**k up. The guy has a career in politics waiting for him when his movie making days are over. We are getting the same thing from the Episode 7 interviews now…Oh, JJ is such a fan, its a privilege blah blah blah de blah…..

1466. Cygnus-X1 - August 4, 2014

Dude, again???

Are we not allowed to write those two names in the same post ever???

1467. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - August 5, 2014

Ok. i would not say that Sharknado 1 and 2 are up there with Army of Darkness or Rocky Horror. . Yes it’s bad. But to me that’s what makes it good. Yes. Shark’s can’t actually be picked up like that in a Tornado or flood homes or pools or subways and I don;t for one second belive that a man with a chainsaw and go through the mouth of a shark and then back out. But to me at leat. That was just plain fun. Anyway. Maybe I have this crazy sense of Humor. So on a Campt Scale of 1 to 10 I give it a 6. But. as Scotty says. We are all entittled to our opnion’s. Lol.

1468. CmdrR - August 5, 2014

Emp., enjoy your shark-hugging.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHBGrEjdJa8

btw, Anchorman 1 & 2 each had about 30 minutes of funny surrounded by awful, sloppy mess.

1469. Phil - August 5, 2014

@1467. Why not – Iron Man did it with one of those flying fish spaceship thingys in Avengers? One Tony Stark enema, coming right up….

1470. Phil - August 6, 2014

Meanwhile, in real space exploration…

http://news.yahoo.com/europes-rosetta-spacecraft-makes-historic-arrival-comet-103340287.html

1471. CmdrR - August 6, 2014

Nice, fairly balanced write-up of Enterprise:

http://www.avclub.com/article/enterprise-was-forever-torn-between-our-future-and-207632

Lots of comments at the bottom that take shots at JJ, if you’re inta that kindastuff…

1472. AJ - August 6, 2014

Here is a direct cut-and-paste from an io9 artiTcle about the new GoG film. Question is: Was ST09 a genre-changer?

“7. Audiences will embrace big space action, if it feels relatable

There seems to be a conventional wisdom out there that spaceships won’t fly on the big screen, unless it’s Star Trek, Star Wars or an Alien prequel. You can have aliens come to Earth, but we can’t go to them. Between Guardians and Gravity, we may be starting to see proof that audiences actually want space action again. If Interstellar also wins out, then we may be on to something. Actually, Guardians owes a certain debt to J.J. Abrams’ first Star Trek movie, which had a similar carefree feel and did a great job of establishing that space action can feel “grounded” and connected to characters we care about. Trek ’09 was an innovative film, and Guardians cribs from it quite a bit.”

And if that’s the case, will ST’16 also benefit from it?

1473. Harry Ballz - August 6, 2014

AJ, good to see you here, old friend. How are you enjoying the new job?

1474. Basement Blogger - August 7, 2014

Here’s the short review for Guardians of the Galaxy.

In one of the opening scenes, Peter Quill aka Star Lord (Chris Pratt) is trying to steal a mysterious orb while dancing to Redbone’s “Come and Get Your Love.” I almost got up and started to dance in the aisles. At this point, I could not hate this movie. I mean I like puppy dogs too.

Don’t take this movie seriously. It’s a comedy with action. I mean you got people floating in space without space suits. and yeah they give a lame excuse for that. But then somebody makes a Kevin Bacon joke and all is right with the world.

Skip the 3D version. It’s a conversion from 2D. The movie lacks pop. It’s too dark. I wanted more light on the screen.

A couple of quick things. Zoe Saldana is very good as Gamora. She does the alien thing very well and frankly, the make up guy David George deserves the the Oscar for the green body paint. Looks organic. Bradley Cooper as the voice of Rocket the Raccoon is remarkable. At times, I forgot he was a human actor.

The grade is B Plus.

Full review with music video of Redbone singing “Come and Get Your Love” and trailer.

http://berniebasementblog.blogspot.com/2014/08/guardians-of-galaxy-3d-review_7.html

And on a personal note…

WELCOME BACK CAPTAIN PASCALE. @ 1432 Now get over and edit Trekmovie’s Wikipedia page, the section about its demise.

1475. Aurore - August 7, 2014

@1472. AJ – August 6, 2014

“…’Trek ’09 was an innovative film, and Guardians cribs from it quite a bit.’

And if that’s the case, will ST’16 also benefit from it?”

______________

You’re asking an interesting question.

Will “ST’16” also benefit from “it “? Time will tell…

Anyway…I’ll check out that io9 article.

Thanks.

1476. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - August 7, 2014

i am glad to see trek movie beeing trekmovie again.

looks like D.C comicks has blinked. They have moved the release of Batman vs Superman to avoid Captian America,

1477. Red Dead Ryan - August 7, 2014

I saw “Guardians Of The Galaxy” yesterday. It was a good, fun movie that had lots of action and visual effects, yet didn’t take itself too seriously. The soundtrack was awesome, btw. Nice to see a movie include classics instead of crap covers by indie artists you’ve never heard of.

*******************

BB,

Not sure why you keep going to see 3d converted movies. I mean, you always complain about it being too dark. Why not stick to the 2d version?

*******************

“Superman Vs. Batman: Dawn Of Justice” will come out March 25, 2016.

They will follow it up with “Justice League” and a solo “Wonder Woman” movie.

1478. CmdrR - August 7, 2014

1472 – ??????????????????????????????

Sunshine – 2007
Europa Report – 2013
Fantastic 4 – 2005
Pitch Black – 2000
Wall-E – 2008
freakin’ Avatar, for godzsake!! – 2009

These are a tiny number of the “us going out there” films made in the past several years. Where does the i09 writer get the idea that such films are limited to the 3 franchises he mentioned?

1479. CmdrR - August 7, 2014

Red Dead Ryan – “Nice to see a movie include classics” Yes, lots of classics… and also Rupert Holmes!

1480. CmdrR - August 7, 2014

1472 – Interstellar looks great, btw.

1481. Basement Blogger - August 7, 2014

@ 1477

Red Dead Ryan,

There’s a reason why I see converted 2D movies into 3D. I review film that I see for the two readers of my blog and as a service, watch the 3D versions to tell them if that version is worth their extra bucks. By chance if somebody is looking for a review of the 3D version, they might find my advice helpful. it’s a little like what Cinemablend does only I do it on a much, much, much smaller level and with a more critical basis. I find they are way too forgiving on conversions when a movie like Hugo has set the standard for 3D.

I must have seen twenty to thirty converted movies. I’ve also seen the difference between the 2D and 3D versions “Thor”, for instance. I will say what Roger Ebert has said about conversions. You can’t do it as well as a movie shot in native 3D. The 3D camera catches all the light, shadow, nooks and crannies of objects. The conversion process is much like creating a pop up book. There’s some depth but no pop. Plus most of the time, while filming in 2D, the director of photography is not thinking 3D so there will be lighting issues. Sometimes darkness is not a problem if the movie has brightly lit scenes. Other times it’s a disaster. See “Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part 2″

You spend a premium for 3D. You should expect the best. If “Hugo” and the fantastic dance documentary “Pina” have set the standard, you should get that for your money. Anything else is a cash grab.

Guardians of the Galaxy’s 3D problems were not just light. You had a lack of pop, i.e. objects push from the screen. Great 3D makes you feel as if objects are actually in the theater with you. Example, “Pina.” You never forget the movie is in 3D. “Guardians” is not like that. I forget the movie was in 3D after the first twenty minute then was reminded of it when Groot lights up Ronan’s ship. Regardless, “Guardians” is still a fun and hilarious movie. Go see it, but save your money and see it in 2D.

1482. Red Dead Ryan - August 7, 2014

#1481.

Thanks for the reply and the clarification. Myself, I prefer the 2d version. I don’t really see 3d as being much better. It really is simply a cash grab by studios, riding on the coattails of “Avatar” which actually looked good in 3d because it was indeed filmed in 3d, and not just lazily and cynically converted in post-production.

#1478.

I haven’t seen “Europa Report”. I wonder if it will ever show up on bluray in North America? I was looking forward to seeing it.

Also, I just got back from the local IMAX after seeing “Jerusalem”. It’s a documentary featuring 3 young women (Jew, Muslim, Christian) as they take the audience on a tour of some of the religious sites. The narrator of the film is Benedict Cumberbatch.

There was a Q and A afterwards with the director of the film. It was very interesting.

1483. Harry Ballz - August 8, 2014

Well, the gloves are off. In the latest thread, I’m basically telling Orci he’s an idiot.

1484. Harry Ballz - August 8, 2014

I just got scolded by you-know-who for trolling.

Wow! It’s been YEARS since that happened!

1485. AJ - August 8, 2014

I am off to NYC tomorrow for a week or so to get a new visa, so, yay! Kinda like that place!

1486. CmdrR - August 8, 2014

Jeez, AJ, you fly so often you could not only date stewardesses, you could marry ‘em and raise families.

1487. CmdrR - August 8, 2014

On the plane!

1488. AJ - August 8, 2014

The Aeroflot flight attendants wear these cute orange unis with little ’50s style matching caps (the female ones, obviously).

Of course, “dating stewardesses” is an Atlanta thing, isn’t it CmdrR? Massive airport, Delta HQ, etc.

Harry, welcome back to Trekmovie! You got pwned by the owner! How long has it been? You thing AP remembers you?

1489. Harry Ballz - August 8, 2014

AJ

Oh, I’m sure he does. I find it really kind of strange how any of us could say whatever we wanted for the last two years, and now, suddenly, we have to revert to “walking on eggshells” again.

Not good.

1490. AJ - August 8, 2014

Harry:

It’s just Trekmovie. No biggie.

Here in Russia, that happens all the time, but in real life (like now).

1491. Phil - August 9, 2014

@1484. Don’t heel bad – I got called out for an fairly obscure off hand remark regarding a fan film producer and got called out on it as well.. The site seems to be drifting to a no criticism allowed page when it comes to the fan films.

1492. CmdrR - August 9, 2014

http://www.scifiairshow.com/ships-boneyard.html

A new entry!
This is great fun for Space: 1999 fans and anyone who hasn’t found this site yet. Check it out!!

1493. Basement Blogger - August 9, 2014

What to discuss?

Russian troops amassing on the Ukraine border, ready to invade.

or

ISIS marching in on the Kurds in Iraq.

or…

Should we dance like Star Lord from Guardians of the Galaxy?

Yes, I vote for you to “Come and Get Your Love.” By the way, it’s the best song in the movie. I just want to bust a move like Star Lord. Well, I’m not as cool as he but one can daydream.

Here’s Redbone, which was Native American band from 1974.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRaofUdZiGs

1494. AJ - August 9, 2014

Hi! Can’t you all just tell I am back in New York right now? This feels so much different!

Flew in on a beautiful shiny new Aeroflot 777 with roomier coach seats than I have ever seen, and a great in-flight video system with ‘3D mapping’ for watching the flight.

Packed to the gills, but a decent experience for 9 hours (except, I don’t recommend the film “Noah” with it’s rock-men fallen angels and weird ‘Mom, Dad’s freaking us out’ moments).

1495. CmdrR - August 10, 2014

Finally saw Amazing Spider-Man 2 at the $3 theater. It was not worth the wait.
This is exactly what movies have become… which drives movie lovers crazy. Jamie Fox’s Electro could literally be played by any actor… or just the laptop set on autopilot. Paul Giamatti’s “Rhino” pops up literally in the last 5 minutes. He’s a regular pyscho w/ a gratuitous Russian accent in the first 5… and nowhere in the rest of this bloated 2-hour 21-minute monster of a film. For all of that running time, there’s no place for JJ Jameson, except as a line on an email. Times Square is a perfect setting for a battle… of product placement. The remaining elements, including some big ones, are retreads of very very recent films and, of course, the comics.

This is what happens when movies are assembled out of parts of better movies instead of allowed to stream from some crazy writer’s imagination.

1496. Red Dead Ryan - August 10, 2014

#1495.

I agree. Both “Amazing Spider Man” movies have been a tremendous disappointment. Sam Raimi nailed it perfectly with the first two movies.

The reboot movies have added nothing new. It’s been cut and paste from the earlier movies. The fight scenes look like they came from a video game.

This is a failed reboot because it just treads on familiar territory. Contrast this to better reboots like “Batman Begins”, “Casino Royale” and “Star Trek”, where they showed us, for the first time or in greater detail, the origin stories of the protagonists while fleshing out the worlds in which they inhabit.

1497. Harry Ballz - August 10, 2014

Watched “About Time” last night, “Love Is All You Need” tonight.

Both are good little films. These kind of movies help wash the stank out of my mouth from “The Transformers” bullsh*t phase Hollywood is currently enjoying.

Rachel McAdams is in the first, Pierce Brosnan in the second. Check them out.

1498. Harry Ballz - August 10, 2014

Aurore, where are you? I miss it when you’re not around.

1499. Aurore - August 11, 2014

@ 1498. Mr. Ballz.

“….where are you? I miss it when you’re not around.”

_________

Hey!

Enough of this, here ; you two get a room!

…Oh…um…wait…you were talking to me?

:)

1500. Aurore - August 11, 2014

“…These kind of movies help wash the stank out of my mouth from ‘The Transformers’ bullsh*t phase Hollywood is currently enjoying…”

________

Of late, I read something from The Wrap about Chinese (unsurprisingly, to me) getting tired of sequels, “effects-Driven Hollywood movies”….

:)

… So hang in there, baby !!!!!!!

P.S : Of course, I never believed that Chinese/ “Foreign” audiences could only enjoy such movies, in the first place. But, as you know, that is a personal opinion.

1501. CmdrR - August 11, 2014

I can only judge by my Chinese wife, who thought ASM-2 sucked.

I am truly doubtful about the whole “it must be 3-D because Asians love that” crap. Does ANYONE love paying extra money to wear uncomfortable glasses to watch a darker picture and blurry action?

That’s why I’m recommending the new entertainment alternative:

BOOKS.

Seriously, “Unbroken” is worth a read before you see it in December. There’s no way Angelina can fit in all the fascinating and gripping details of life in a Japanese POW camp during WWII.

1502. Phil - August 11, 2014

I won’t see a 3-d movie, stuff dancing around in my peripheral vision now-a-days promotes a little motion sickness. Not paying extra for the privilege of puking in my popcorn bag….

1503. Marja - August 11, 2014

I’m with you guys on the 3D movies. Except for “Avatar” I’ve found most of them crap-tastic. Pop-up books, as Bernie says. The other issue is, I have to hold my head absolutely centered toward the screen — can’t tilt my head or look slightly to one side — b/c the images split. Geeze, what a pain.

Saw “A Most Wanted Man” yesterday. A “real-life inhabited” performance, as always by the excellent Philip Seymour Hoffman, an actor whose presence will be greatly missed. The movie moves very slowly [as do any screen representations of John leCarre's work] but is very, very good, and makes you think.

Really enjoyed “Guardians of the Galaxy,” really fun movie with a soundtrack I remember from real life [Bernie -- I never realized Redbone was a Native American band!], and a smartass sensibility that reminded me of “Firefly.” My fave song fro the soundtrack was Norman Greenbaum’s “Spirit in the Sky.” Which one can take as a statement of faith, or as a satire of same … I’ve seen it both ways over the years ….

AJ I hope you are enjoying New York! I miss it.

1504. CmdrR - August 11, 2014

I love the soundtrack of GotG, but the kid was snatched in 1988. Most of the songs are definitively 70’s in vintage. I remember the songs as “beach music” because they’d be on my mom’s car radio or on the “Sony” transistor radio at the beach in RI.

If it was 1988, I guess I’m glad the kid wasn’t retro, or we’d have Groot dancing to “Don’t Worry, Be Happy” and Rocket blastin’ baddies to “Sweet Child of Mine.” (Wait, that last one would be good. Maybe that’s in Awesome Mix Vol. 2.”

1505. CmdrR - August 11, 2014

RIP Robin Williams.

That is just too sad.

1506. CmdrR - August 11, 2014

1504 – meant glad he WAS retro.

1507. CmdrR - August 11, 2014

Trek Trivia for Robin Williams:

TNG: “A Matter Of Time” was written partially because Robin Williams, a fan of the show, wanted to appear. However, when the script was ready for shooting, Robin was unavailable, so Matt Frewer was cast instead.

Also:

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=shatner+mork+mindy&FORM=HDRSC2#view=detail&id=972DC3DD2BD73063049439ABAFB92CC0C0C5F70E&selectedIndex=1

1508. AJ - August 11, 2014

Wow. Suicide. Poor guy. RIP. What a funny man and a great performer.

1509. Harry Ballz - August 11, 2014

What a loss with the death of Robin Williams. A true genius.

The world just lost a great artist.

1510. Basement Blogger - August 11, 2014

First let me say, welcome back AJ. How about some Stephen Colbert comedy about Russia and New York’s favorite pizza expert, Donald Trump?

1. Colbert has fun with Putin banning food imports to his OWN people.

http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/bmd26v/vladimir-putin-s-food-sanctions

2. Colbert on the Ebola Fears and the compassionate Donald Trump’s remarks about American volunteers who contracted the disease.

http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/nm2atj/ebola-panic

Yes, Putin. We will eat more chicken.

and speaking of Russian, Robin Williams also starred as a Russian musician in “Moscow on the Hudson.” (1984) Love David McHugh’s score. Anyway, I posted some clips of Williams on my blog. Aladdin. An appearance on Bill Maher’s Real Time. But it’s impossible to really do the man justice. There’s just so much hilarious stuff. Rest in peace, Robin Williams.

@ 1502 1503

There’s one good thing about knowing the movie you’re making is going to be converted. The directors should not use hand held camera shots aka shakey cam. . See Pual Greengrass’ Bourne Supremacy. If that Bourne movie was converted, you would be sick in five minutes.

I got a little sick watching Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Surprised that there were so many hand held shots.

@ 1503

I did not know Redbone was Native American either. There are a couple of Mexicans in the band also according to Wikipedia. Looked them up. At that time I stopped listening to pop music and buying the 45’s . Started getting into jazz.

I do have fond memories of Motown and the end song for the Guardians, Jackson Five’s “I Want You Back.” Oooooo… baby give one more chance.”

1511. Cygnus-X1 - August 11, 2014

Is there any in formation about the cause of death?

Was it a drug overdose?

Have we got another Phillip Seymour Hoffman tragedy, where Williams was addicted to heroin? Are we allowed to talk about this here? I’ve had a post or two blocked, I think, because I made reference to street drugs.

1512. Cygnus-X1 - August 11, 2014

Crack and heroin?

1513. Cygnus-X1 - August 11, 2014

Huh. I guess it was something else.

1514. Harry Ballz - August 11, 2014

Cygnus-X1

it seems Robin Williams died from asphyxiation. He killed himself on purpose.

Depression robbed us of a truly gifted genius.

What a horrible end to a wonderful career.

1515. Cygnus-X1 - August 11, 2014

Left the car engine running in a closed garage?

1516. AJ - August 12, 2014

1510:

Thank You, Basement. I will let y’all know what life is like in Russia when all the imported food dries up. For my company, imported competition disappears, so they are officially happy about (though the Russian market for candy is primarily dependent on domestic production).

Meanwhile, here in New York, no shortages to report. Just too many damn tourists wasting everyone’s time as usual. They must have removed the electric fence around Times Square.

Don’t they know that natives speed-walking in a straight line is normal? Get outta the way!

1517. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - August 12, 2014

RIP Robin Williams. You may be gone. But never forgotten.

1518. Cygnus-X1 - August 12, 2014

1516. AJ – August 12, 2014

We New Yorkers tend to avoid Times Square when going from point A to B unless we’re going somewhere in Times Square. ;-)

1519. Marja - August 12, 2014

OH GODDAMMIT ROBIN

I will miss you so much. I’m sorry you felt whatever it was that made you do it.

I am so sad right now.

—————————————————————————————————
Cygnus, My frst thought was “heart attack” b/c a lot of former pill addicts and alcoholics die that way [Robin was both, but had cleaned up, years ago].
—————————————————————————————————
AJ, I well remember the black T-shirt devoted to those pesky tourists who amble and ask stupid questions. [I never wore white in NY anyway, it got too dirty too fast.]
WELCOME TO NEW YORK. NOW GO HOME.

1520. Harry Ballz - August 12, 2014

TMZ (if you can believe it) is reporting that Robin Williams killed himself by hanging.

Apparently his wife was out running errands and Robin’s assistant who came by to visit found him.

TMZ is also hinting that, besides suffering from depression, Robin had intimated to close friends that he had money troubles. Two messy divorces, child support, etc.

1521. Marja - August 12, 2014

Not sure why my previous comment got deleted/ shuffled into queue/ maybe I forgot to press SAY IT/ maybe I said “d— it” too many times.

Unbeknownst to me, apparently Robin had other troubles as well: a recurrence of depression, recent relapse from recovery from alcohol and pillz.

Oh how the world regrets the loss of this genius, I know I do. How his close family and friends must feel I cannot imagine.

SMDH with regret and a great deal of sadness.

1522. AJ - August 12, 2014

This is Robin Williams doing what he does best (on “The Actor’s Studio). Note the brief “Trek” reference in his incredible and legendary stream-of-conciousness improvised routine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGhfxKUH80M

1523. Aurore - August 12, 2014

Robin Williams truly was a gifted man.

May he rest in peace.

1524. Basement Blogger - August 12, 2014

@ 1522

Thanks AJ. That clip was great. Lipton cracks up Williams. Then Williams shows what he go do with a simple prop; a woman’s scarf. Comedic Jazz.

On another sad note, Lauren Bacall passed away. Boogie and Bacall now belong to the ages.

From “To Have and Have Not” (1944), the famous “whistle” scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9Ay727EYzw

@ 1521

Marja, yeah some words will cause the filter to censor your post. Can’t write the word p….. o ……. (letter after q) …… n. And multiple posts within 24 hours causes the filter to conclude that you may be spamming with ads. That’s why I watch the number of hyperlinks, no more than three, and number of posts within one day. Lately, I try to put everything in one post.

1525. Harry Ballz - August 12, 2014

Yeah, see, here’s the thing about Lauren Bacall.

She was a skinny model who was spotted in magazines by a producer’s wife.

The wife pushed her husband to cast this girl in movies.

Bacall had no acting talent, but they did it anyway.

That’s a pretty good career to have for nothing more than a nice face.

HOLLYWOOD IS A F*CKING JOKE!

1526. Basement Blogger - August 13, 2014

Harry, Harry, Harry…

One. Lauren Bacall is not the mother of Bob Orci. Two. She lit up the screen in one of the greatest film noirs of all time in “The Big Sleep.” (1946) Three. She used her star power to fight McCarthyism. So she was more than a pretty face.

Here’s four.

Back to her acting career. Let’s see. Oh yeah. She was nominated for Best Supporting Actress for the movie “The Mirror Has Two Faces.” (1996) For that she won a Golden Globe and the SAG Award. Oops, let me add this. She won two Tonys. ” One for Applause.: (1970) and the other for :Woman of the Year ” (1981) That’s for the stage. What about the midwest? For her work in Chicago theater, she won the Sarah Siddons Award. (1972) So it ain’t just Hollywood that thinks she has talent. Try New York and Chicago. Link below.

Oh… lest I forget. In 1997, she received a Kennedy Center Honors for lifetime achievement in the performing arts. So let’s go with the scoreboard here. As an actress, Los Angeles likes her. New York likes her. Chicago likes her. America likes her. And you still think she has no talent?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Bacall

Geez, Harry, the woman just died. Do we have to spit on her grave? I ‘ve been reading your posts for last couple of months and have kept my mouth shut. But my friend,some of the posts have been.. well rather angry. I hope that no one is using your moniker because if it’s you, it seems like somebody is peeing in your morning cereal.

1527. Disinvited - August 13, 2014

#1516. AJ – August 12, 2014

As a youngster, I always thought Lauren had to be something special to be so young and yet hold her own in scenes that had Bogie in them. But I knew of their love for each other so I never really new how much was possibly just real life sparking.

I knew from the talk show circuit that she was a great human being but I don’t think I ever really realized for certain that she could DEFINITELY act until I saw her go toe to toe with James Garner [RIP] in THE ROCKFORD FILES. I’m unsure of the memory but I think a lot of other people in the entertainment industry hadn’t realized it either because I believe the Garner gig gave her career a second life?

1528. AJ - August 13, 2014

Robin Williams, Lauren Bacall, and Arlene Martell.

Give us a break for the rest of the month, please!

1529. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - August 13, 2014

To many good people have passed.
I loved just about everything Robin Williams has done. From Mork and Mindy to Good Morning Vietman to Mrs Doubtfire and of course Night at the Musiuem. He was a Giant amoung Men and he will be missed.

1530. Phil - August 13, 2014

@1526. Was under the impression she picked up a few Tony awards as well. If that makes her a hack, then most every talent would be, as well…

1531. Phil - August 13, 2014

@1521. The filtration software on this site is weird. I’ve also learned that saying !n$ur@nce in a post will also get it quarantined…

1532. AJ - August 13, 2014

When this site had a Meebo mini-chat up top, it always filtered out the word “Shatner.” So we called him Mr. “Shlatner.”

1533. CmdrR - August 13, 2014

1528 — Give us a break for the rest of the month, please!

Sorry. No rest for the world-weary.

http://www.ajc.com/news/entertainment/killer-whale-keiko-star-of-free-willy-and-his-sad-/ng2RF/

Do you think God keeps aiming at The Real Housewives of ____ but keeps missing?

1534. Cygnus-X1 - August 13, 2014

1531. Phil – August 13, 2014

The filtration software on this site is weird.

I’ve been trying to figure it out, myself, in order to spare me typing up a post only to have it disappeared.

I lost one, I though, due to “crack” and “heroin,” but apparently that wasn’t it.

I’m going to test something in the next post.

1535. Cygnus-X1 - August 13, 2014

Ah ha!

You cannot state the names of the two female lead actresses from Voyager—the one who played the Captain and the one who played the “liberated” Borg—in the same post.

1536. Cygnus-X1 - August 13, 2014

Talk about a cat-fight—even their names won’t be in the same post together!

1537. AJ - August 13, 2014

Kate “The Great” Mulgrew, and Jeri “Oh so Very” Ryan?

1538. AJ - August 13, 2014

Without the descriptors, it wouldn’t post!

1539. Cygnus-X1 - August 13, 2014

I guess the first and last names have to be separated by at least one character.

Kate-Mulgrew and Jeri-Ryan.

1540. Cygnus-X1 - August 13, 2014

Mulgrew and Ryan

1541. Cygnus-X1 - August 13, 2014

K. Mulgrew and J. Ryan

1542. Cygnus-X1 - August 13, 2014

Phil’s right. In$urance won’t post.

1543. Disinvited - August 13, 2014

#1542. Cygnus-X1 – August 13, 2014

Neither do

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arch!ve

1544. Cygnus-X1 - August 13, 2014

Archive???

1545. Cygnus-X1 - August 13, 2014

Remember when “anal” mean uptight and overly controlling, as in anal retentive?

1546. Harry Ballz - August 13, 2014

Folks, it’s not like I. Wake up and decide to criticize someone. I have always felt this way about Lauren Bacall. I read her biography years ago. When she first started in movies, she was gawk awful. Apparently it took hundreds of takes in her movies with Bogart, just to get a passable take with her in the can.

of course, after she had been in movies for 10-20 years, she got better. Anybody can improve as an actor if you give them a long LONG time to practice. That’s my point. Why should really good actors be resigned to doing off-off-off Broadway, while nothing’s like. Bacall get to have a legendary career in film all because she started banging Bogart when she was 19?

I simply despise the hypocrisy of it.

1547. CmdrR - August 13, 2014

Why is K.T. Mulgrew taking out in$urance on Jeree Ryan… and I thought it was her ex-husband who was the aynal one? I’ll check the arkives.

1548. CmdrR - August 13, 2014

Harry, if Hollywood stopped putting people onscreen because of a trick pelvis (old Joan Rivers line) tv’s and theatres would be awfully quiet.

Just be careful where you swing that accusing finger, cause you might find it pointing Trekward.

1549. Harry Ballz - August 13, 2014

CmdrR, I will make every effort to not swing my finger in the wrong direction.

Now, bend over and say “ah”

Well, that didn’t last long, did it?

1550. Phil - August 13, 2014

@1544. Told you it was weird… strange thing is, I can put my website link on and that goes through just fine…

Yeah, that’s a shameless plug.

1551. Phil - August 13, 2014

@1546. Setting aside the trick pelvis conversation for the moment, it’s very rare in most professions where someone is a good enough to not have someone interact on their behalf, particularly when it come to assessing talent. Montana and Brady are two of the best QB’s to play the game, and they were nothings in college. Did they ‘get’ to have spectacular careers because some scout was on the ball? Not exactly, but they took full advantage and made something of themselves. Unfortunately, life isn’t always fair, that some amazing talent didn’t get the breaks to escape being off-off-Broadway. On the other hand, if there was a set of minimum job requirements for talent positions most actors or athletes who went on to stardom would have probably ended up at the Post Office….

1552. Cygnus-X1 - August 14, 2014

This segment has as much geekiness as you can handle, and there are some funny bits, but it ends with an interesting fact that is news to me. Namely that the inventor of the MRI was a physics professor (Neil DeGrasse Tyson’s physics professor, in fact) who had no interest in the medical field, but was inspired by TOS, and specifically the tri-corder from TOS, to devote his life to inventing a device that could give information about the inside of a person’s body without having to cut the person open: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wO8yvV2UX0&feature=share

1553. Aurore - August 14, 2014

“When this site had a Meebo mini-chat up top, it always filtered out the word ‘Shatner.’ So we called him Mr. ‘Shlatner’.”

________

…Or “The Shlat “.

“Shlatman” was also a possibility.

(By Shla Ka Ree, don’t you dare contradict my lies .)

1554. Aurore - August 14, 2014

…Speaking of which…I hope this will post…

:)

I mean no disrespect .
Granted ; the movie has its (many) flaws…but, I enjoyed it…:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3u4j0hVy8c

1555. Cygnus-X1 - August 14, 2014

I think that stupid has now been added to the verboten word list.

Let’s see if it goes through…

1556. Cygnus-X1 - August 14, 2014

huh. It didn’t make it through a moment ago.

Let’s try again. Stupid stupid stupid.

1557. Cygnus-X1 - August 14, 2014

No idea.

Anyway, I’d recommend everyone save their posts before posting them, given the mystery of the verboten words. I just typed an uncharacteristically long response and had it disappeared before I re-spelled “stupid” and it went through.

1558. Aurore - August 14, 2014

A few days ago (@ 1500 ), I mentioned reading something from The Wrap.

Here it is :

http://www.thewrap.com/chinese-getting-tired-of-sequels-effects-driven-hollywood-movies-report/

1559. CmdrR - August 14, 2014

Aurore — fingers crossed that the suits will read that.
I love good special effects. But, dag-nabbit! NOT the whole movie. Man of Steel had a what, 50-minute fist-fight all done in cgi? Yuck. I was bored!!
TWOK has great sfx for its time — and I truly wouldn’t change a frame. But, there are only TWO brief space battles!!! The rest is soaring music, characters we care about racing to survive/act heroically, and fun. I would choose TWOK over MoS (or certainly over AS-M-2 or several of the other recent genre films) anytime. So, my point is not to ban cgi… but, to use it as seasoning, not the main course.

1560. Cygnus-X1 - August 14, 2014

And now it’s back.

I’m getting the feeling that I’ve been targeted for sedition by the site’s filter.

1561. Cygnus-X1 - August 14, 2014

Apparently A-nthony-P-ascale is now also a verboten word.

1562. Disinvited - August 14, 2014

#1561. Cygnus-X1 – August 14, 2014

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. It’s like Betelgeuse using A Pascale’s full name gets a post sucked right up into a special queue so he can see what people are going on about.

There are rumors in the dark halls of Mythlvys about what’ll happen if you type his full name, spin around 360 degrees in your chair, type it again, spin around 360 degrees in your chair, type it again, spin around 360 degrees in your chair, and click on [say it!], but I would want to test it.

1563. CmdrR - August 14, 2014

From the Star Trek the 13th thread…

116. Daoud, The Sinfonian – August 13, 2014
In honor of Star Trek The 13th, I won’t be surprised if @boborci will insert a redshirt character cleverly named Jason! And he better be Ensign Jason Del Trame, because unless I missed it, we still haven’t had a character named in honor of our departed friend British Naval Dude.

135. boborci – August 13, 2014
116. thanks for reminding me. He’s going in!

OK, he’s on record and he’s the director!!!!

1564. Phil - August 14, 2014

@1555 Shit! Not stupid….

1565. Disinvited - August 14, 2014

# 1562. Disinvited – August 14, 2014

#1561. Cygnus-X1 – August 14, 2014

“… but I would want to test it” — Disinvited

That was supposed to be “…but I wouldn’t want to test it.”

But I’m wondering if I’m trying to tell myself something?

1566. CmdrR - August 15, 2014

http://www.ajc.com/news/lifestyles/you-can-now-bury-your-pet-outer-space/ng3fJ/

Great, now we have to deal with Klingons, Romulans, Gorn, and dead hamsters.

1567. Basement Blogger - August 15, 2014

@1561

Cygnus,

ANTHONY PASCALE

Wrong again. I’m assuming you are a human being. So, remember, the grey organ on top of your head is for thinking. The orifice that is between your legs is for eliminating waste. It’s not for thinking.

1568. AJ - August 16, 2014

So, Del’s back in the game, according to Mr. Orci….

Fool me once, shame on me….

Fool me twice, Won’t Get Fooled Again!

1569. CmdrR - August 16, 2014

We all need to keep up the pressure on Orci to include Del’s name… or BND’s… or have Yeoman Rand show up drunk and without pants!

1570. Disinvited - August 16, 2014

#1567. Basement Blogger – August 15, 2014

I just tested it. the Pascale filter is still in effect for my posts.

But perhaps Cygnus characterized it a step too far. It is moderated — and that only means messages containing it have to be approved not that it is “verboten”.

1571. Basement Blogger - August 16, 2014

@ 1570

“But perhaps Cygnus characterized it a step too far.”

He does that all the time.

1572. CmdrR - August 16, 2014

Let me test the filter.

1573. CmdrR - August 16, 2014

OK, there’s no filter on typing while sitting in a tub of Gelato wearing only my Starfleet Academy ring (non-exploding type) and a smile.

What? It’s August in Atlanta! And it’s Saturday night.

Don’t judge.

1574. Cygnus-X1 - August 16, 2014

1571. Basement Blogger – August 16, 2014

You’re quite a rude, socially inept person, aren’t you.

My posts were disappearing. I was trying to figure out why. I typed two posts with “A-Pascale.” They both disappeared. I didn’t know why and still don’t. I sent an email to the admin and got no response. I asked A-Pascale and, not only got no response, but had both posts with his name disappear. All that I could discern from the situation was that either a program or a person was forbidding me from posting certain words, hence verboten.

1575. Basement Blogger - August 16, 2014

Here’s the short review for “Boyhood.” It’s a warm, lovely look at a boy’s life from childhood to adult. Director and writer Richard Linklater along with IFC have taken a risk here to film this movie for twelve consecutive years with one actor playing the boy, Ellar Coltrane. I mean how do you tell your investors you will have to wait twelve years for your return?

At 164 minutes, the movie could have used some editing. And at times, it’s aloof. Still, with all the summer bombast, the film is a sweep of fresh air.

The grade is B Plus. Full review with trailer.
http://berniebasementblog.blogspot.com/2014/08/boyhood-review.html

1576. CmdrR - August 17, 2014

Man, it’s the dog days of summer movies.

Yes. I did it. I saw Transformers 4.
I know you’ve all read plenty of reviews. Here are some stray thoughts: It was better than AS-M-2. I know – ain’t sayin’ much. Still, the sins were fewer than I imagined.
Mostly, it was just too freakin’ long. about 2’45”. The set pieces were ridiculously repetitive. I lost count of the number of times the BumbleBee knock-off broke to bits, flew in formation, reformed… and did nothing in particular.
Other bits and pieces:
How did Mark Wahlberg get ahold of D’Argo’s Qualta Blade?
Why do the interiors of Transformer ships have so many nasty sharp edges?
How do actors survive the destruction of so many buildings without mussing their hair?
I get that Optimus needs repairs at first… but, we see a character bring duct tape and… batteries? I have no idea from what’s presented on screen how they refuel or reload.
Spoiler Alert! How the F does Optimus fly at the end?? If he could do that before, why the F didn’t he?? Oh, and he can fly all the way back to the homeworld to kick his creators’ butts — a la “Prometheus.” That’s just one of many better movies stolen from in this one.
Coupla positives:
Stanley Tucci makes any movie better.
Finally, EnsR liked it… and it only cost 3 bucks at the cheapie theatre.

1577. CmdrR - August 17, 2014

Oh…
And I wish I ran the concession on roman candles for Tranny-4.
For the record, ‘splodin does NOT look like roman candles and roman candles do not look like ‘splodin. But, there were 4305987243927452985743957430985740984375439857235.3 of ‘em in this flick.

1578. Cygnus-X1 - August 17, 2014

1576. CmdrR – August 17, 2014

Good review.

I wasn’t going to see it, but your review gives me the satisfaction of knowing that I’m not missing anything. Though, I almost want to see it now just to see all of the roman candles. I think I know what you mean. It’s when they do an explosion scene in a movie and you see a couple of flares shoot up into the sky amidst the explosion. As though a fireworks store has caught fire.

1579. Cygnus-X1 - August 17, 2014

This is the sort of action movie that I could go for again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ8EnaGClRs

I wonder if I’d enjoy any of The Expendables movies. They didn’t get good reviews, but maybe they have camp value.

1580. AJ - August 18, 2014

I managed to catch Guardians of the Galaxy with my kids over the weekend. While it was enjoyable and fun, as well as beautifully done, I was hit with a big feeling of “who cares?” after the opening scene ended, and which stayed until after Howard the Duck appeared.

I just didn’t care about anyone in the film, despite attempts to make Groot/Rocket into a lovable tagteam of two lovable creatures. The old crappy rock music was like an annoying clatter which just took me straight out of the action every time it was played, and really what was the difference what happened anyway?

Why was that one planet so special? Because Glenn Close runs it? Thanos seemed to be no one special in this film as well, and once I finally realized Ronan/Ronin was played by the same dude as Thranduil in “Hobbit,” I erased him from my mind as well. He’s Thranduil, so just stop it.

I know the film was replete with ‘fanboy references,’ but Howard the Duck most likely made less than 254 middle-aged geeks squee in the US instead of foreshadowing events to come in Avengers 2, as those who wait through the credits now expect.

But, it was fun anyway.

I give it a C+

1581. Aurore - August 18, 2014

@ 1580. AJ – August 18, 2014
________

Good to “see” you.

Thanks for the review, AJ.

1582. CmdrR - August 18, 2014

AJ –
There may be a metric opportunity here.

I wonder if as a viewer we can imagine remembering this film kindly 5, 10, or 20 years from now.
TWOK certainly gets fond memories 32 years in.
I would say GotG will pass the 5 year mark.
LotR passes the 10 year mark.
But, I’m not sure many if any of the Marvel films will get high marks on this scale. That’s mostly because I can’t remember one from another.
Dunno. Just a thought.

I like GotG for what it was. But, I totally feel as though it was knit together from parts. I’ve already questioned why it’s loaded with 70’s music when the character was from 1988. The Kevin Bacon reference simply made no sense. Ah well… I just turned cash into forgettable memories.

1583. Harry Ballz - August 18, 2014

They probably used 1970’s music because it was lot cheaper to secure the rights.

1584. AJ - August 18, 2014

CmdrR:

I think Starlord’s cassette mixtapes were gifts from his mom. At least the second tape at the end was, and since is was “Mixtape 2,” I assumed “1” was also from mom.

Unlike Star Trek, GotG will definitely be remembered 5 years hence, as it will be sequelled up the yingyang, and marketed for repeat sales and merch/product extensions between films. ‘Star Trek’ is not actively marketed between films, and I would guess that short-term ROI determines any resources put by CBS toward its back catalog’s marketing. TWOK is remembered primarily due to its quality as a film, its performances, and as it defined ‘Star Trek’ on the big screen in the 1980s (and was the first discounted for-sale VHS tape ever, so many people owned it back in the dim time).

1585. CmdrR - August 18, 2014

1584 – I got that the tapes were the kid/man’s connection to his mom.
But, did mom not listen to the radio after 1978? It seems as though she’d have thrown in something a kid of 1988 might actually have been listening to… rather than load him down with her nostaligia. I mixed cd’s for my kids and made sure to include things within that decade. Just sayin’… I think the 70’s choice was made to get parents into the seats, while Groot n’ Rocket were to get the young unz. It’s marketing, not writing.

I don’t feel The Hobbitses films will be calling me back 10 years from now, even though LotR will.

I don’t feel Into Darkness calling me even as much as ST ’09 and certainly not as much as TWOK.

I know this is all subjective. Just trying to make sense of some of it.

1586. AJ - August 18, 2014

I think you and Harry both have points about the ’70s soundtrack music. a) It’s cheap, and b) it makes for good ads on the TeeVee so mom and dad will want to hit the cineplex with their kiddles in tow.

I owned Blue Swede’s version of “Hooked on a Feeling” on a Radio Shack ‘Sounds of the Seventies, Vol. 2′ LP. I thought it was the bomb as a kid. BJ Thomas’s version couldn’t hold a candle to it.

1587. Marja - August 18, 2014

1569 CmdrR, or have Yeoman Rand show up drunk and without pants! I’d support that if Capt Kirk shows up with her, in similar attire ….

———————————————————————————–
Saw “Into the Storm” this weekend. Now THAT was some scary-effective CGI, unlike the last 45 minutes of “Man of Steel.”

Now I’m just praying tornadoes don’t start hitting my section of North Florida …. feckin’ scary things

1588. Marja - August 18, 2014

Oh, and the music choices in GotG amused me and some made me happy.

“Mom’s” mix tape was awesome to her, containing hits she felt worthy of passing on to her son [go figure]. Some of the hits were from the ’60s ["Spirit in the Sky"]. Kevin Bacon was a major star in “Footloose,” released in 1984. One can imagine that mom took junior to see the movie before she got so sick.

As for her musical taste, well, it’s debatable, but it was amusing and sometimes touching, in the context of the movie. I would say it represented the taste of the average American, songs which received an enormous amount of airplay in the ’80s and earlier, the fees for play which were fairly cheap for Marvel to pay.

1589. CmdrR - August 18, 2014

1586 –
AJ – I liked most of the choices in GotG fine… except “Escape (The Pina Colada Song)” which was used as a soundtrack under an escape sequence, even though the lyrics have nothing to do with escaping. Plus, Rupert Holmes’ saccharine writing still makes my teeth ache.

1587 – Marja — Well, if both Kirk and Rand are sans pantaloons, that would be a very different Trek movie. I’d watch, but wouldn’t take EnsR.

quick Axanar update:
https://news.yahoo.com/star-trek-axanar-fan-film-warps-beyond-crowdfunding-112618147.html

1590. Cygnus-X1 - August 18, 2014

1582. CmdrR – August 18, 2014

But, I’m not sure many if any of the Marvel films will get high marks on this scale. That’s mostly because I can’t remember one from another.

I think that’s largely due to the current trend of these movies being so action-oriented. The things that tend to stay with us from movies are classic lines in the dialogue, dramatic scenes that really mean something—“emblematic” scenes that seem to sum up the whole thrust of the movie—and the viewer generally relating to the experiences of the characters in the story. TWOK has all of these in spades.

We could each rattle off awesome lines from TWOK and instantly recall great and emblematic scenes: a bloodied, nearly dead Khan with half of his face torn apart, pulling himself up with his last ounce of energy to commit one final act of violence against Kirk, the object of Khan’s revenge obsession throughout the story…

No, Kirk. …The game’s not over. …To the last I will grapple with thee! No! …No! You can’t get away. …From Hell’s heart, …I stab at thee. For hate’s sake I spit my last breath …at thee.”

It’s just too loaded with meaning and too illustrative of the movie’s theme for us to forget. This guy is as stubborn as they come. He simply will not quit. He will never quit. His life means nothing to him so long as Kirk still lives. And we can all relate to this. We’ve all had to deal with someone who is just impossibly stubborn. And perhaps we’ve all been consumed with the desire to get back at someone. But this guy Khan takes it to the nth degree.

The Marvel movies don’t have these sort of scenes, and neither do the BR Trek movies. These kind of scenes require time to develop them and to play out. Movies today are simply cut together too fast to really imprint upon the audience such a rich, memorable scene.

1591. Basement Blogger - August 18, 2014

Here’s the short review for “The Expendables 3″. It starts out dumb. I mean Wesley Snipes runs amuck while being rescued by the Expendables from a train, and crashes said train to kill a tyrant. Now if I were Stallone I would have said “Abort” but nooooo. and how did Snipes know the tyrant was going to be at that exact location.

Anyway, it gets better. Stallone fires the old guys and gets younger ones. Yep, too much to ask for a training montage. The kids go into action right away. Job: Capture a drunk racist…. er. capture an arms dealer played by a drunk racist, Mel Gibson.

There’s a ton of explosions, fast cutting and Antonio Banderas,. Yay for AB. Movie was time wasting fun and better than the last one. But that’s like saying a deep fried twinkie is bettter than a normal one. The grade is B.

Full review with trailer.

http://berniebasementblog.blogspot.com/2014/08/the-expendables-3-review.html

@ 1583

Harry, the first scene takes place in 1988, Star Lord’s mom had made tapes of her favorite songs. Those songs came from the seventies and eighties. So, the old songs were appropriate for the time frame of the scene. By the way they even used a Sony Walkman for the movie. Anyway, the second scene is where the young Star Lord is captured by aliens with his Walkman.

@ 1588

Yes, Marja. The songs made me happy. I’ve said this before. I almost got up to dance when Star Lord started to groove to Redbone’s “Got to Get Your Love.” I play that song at the bar juke box. Look GofG is not serious science fiction but it’s fun, a lot of fun.

1592. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - August 18, 2014

I decided to Skip Expendibles and see for the second time. Guardiens of the Galaxy.
I just love that movie and the action and of course the Music. ( Note. I did get the sound track. Lol.)
I so loved Groot and even the Wrestler Dave Batista did a great job. Now if we can just get the Guardians together with The Avengers. Now that would be Awesome.
Note. I am so glad I spent my money on a great movie instead of a bad one. May the Expendibles be Expended. Lol./

1593. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - August 18, 2014

A Lot of Movies just don’t cut it as far as being rememberd for a long time.
Some movies will always be remembered.
JAWS!. E.T,Star Trek 2,Star Wars Episode 4 5 and 6.Apollo 13 Forrest Gump, Back to the Future and Etc.. Others are good but are not remembered. They were great films that had great stories and eveeyone remembers them.
I think Guardians and of course the Avengers will be remembered for a long time to come. Great action and even a great story.

1594. Marja - August 18, 2014

Emperor Mike, What I take away most from every Marvel movie is the humor and the banter and the teamwork. That is how they get me into the theatre every time. I don’t remember them like I do other movies, so much, but they all beat the hell outta “Man of Steel” b/c they don’t have 45-minute-long CGI battles. Their “science” can be pretty bad sometimes, but Marvel movies are more fantasy anyways.

Yeah, that Pina Colada song was one of the most over-played songs EVER. And the lyrics sounded like one of those Personals Ads. But hellz, even it was kinda fun to hear after fifteen years or so.

1595. AJ - August 19, 2014

Remembering specific Marvel films is made more difficult when one overshadows the rest, such as “Iron Man” being far, far better than “2” or “3” of that series. “1” set the stage for the current Marvel Universe by taking what is considered a “2nd tier” Marvel property and giving his alter-ego to Robert Downey Jr. to play with. Story was decent, guest actors carried their weight, etc. Avengers is really “Iron Man 2.5.” Also, the SHIELD over-arching theme ties them all together into one blurry but consistent universe.

The “Cap” movies are not bad, and the “Thor” movies are generally awful. The “Hulk” films are an interesting anomaly in the mix, one being essentially “out-of-universe” and the other, better one, not being a whiz-bang success.

GotG is a nice way to break up the monotony, for sure. It sets up another potential story arc away from Earth. But, baby Groot dancing to the Jackson 5 makes me cringe.

1596. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - August 19, 2014

Oh come on AJ. I actually loved that scene. Baby Groot was simply dancing to some good music. Lol.

1597. CmdrR - August 19, 2014

I’m not saying any of the newer Marvel/Avenger films is actually bad — with the exception of the 2 Hulk outings and IM 2. I count the newer AS-M films separately — and count them as unnecessary. The SHIELD arc leaves me fuzzy on each film, though. I just sink in the seat when I see the credits kicker showing the “next up…” villain. (Strangely, seeing Howard bomb yet again as a joke did manage to let me off the hook from pretending I cared about the next cgi-equipped baddie.) I know the studio is cashing in, but it’s too much for now. As for the music, I’ve shared my thoughts. I guess it’s subjective, and that’s fine.

1598. Marja - August 19, 2014

Does anyone remember the judge Anna Gasteyer plays on “The Good Wife”?

The one who, every time a lawyer expresses a point of their defense or prosecution, demands that each lawyer say, “In my OPINION.”

I feel like that on the main boards sometimes. I almost wish everyone would be required to say IMHO. Because I’m really tired of people patronizing me for my opinion with their lofty opinions from On High.

It gets old, and really, I probably spend too much time on TrekMovie. I’m quite sure there are several Opinionators who would agree.

Just waiting to see how soon the boards devolve into sh*t-slingin’ with ol’ He Who Shall Not be Named reappearing. He’s nice when he’s reasonable [aren't we all] but I hope any s*ck-pu*peting will be nipped in the bud with a ban.

1599. Harry Ballz - August 19, 2014

@1598 Marja

I chuckled at your phrase “the boards devolve into ah*t-slingin'”

Got the image in my mind of all of us sh*t-slinging around the Sun so we could stop this sh*tstorm before it started!

1600. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - August 19, 2014

Ok Harry,AJ,CmdrR I am calling you guys out for the Ice Bucket Challenge. I’ll do mine in the morning and post it to face book. I’ll also post a link here. Oh and of course I am calling out Anthony Pascale. Lol.
Ready for the Ice Bucket.

1601. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - August 19, 2014

Ok. I just posted on my facebook the Ice Bucket Challenge. Ok Guys. Your turn.

1602. Marja - August 19, 2014

The Enterprise readies a hugeass bucket o’ sh*t to be slung around the sun … but forgetting the slingshot effect runs into it head on with no shields up …

1603. Harry Ballz - August 19, 2014

Marja, what an episode! We’ll call it……………….

THE EXCREMENT FACTOR

(some fans will come to call it “when the sh*t hit the deflector dish one”)

1604. Phil - August 20, 2014

Hmmmm….looks like it’s my turn to deal with the mod-o-matic.. In my humble opinion….

1605. CmdrR - August 20, 2014

Harry Ballz + Ice Bucket = Shrinkage

Unfortunately, I don’t have access to YouTube… or ice… or a bucket.

1606. Harry Ballz - August 20, 2014

So, as a snowman has an orgasm, does he shout out, “the iceman cometh!”

1607. AJ - August 21, 2014

Emperor:

Putin has banned ice-buckets here (I am back in Moscow), so that the metal can be melted down and forged into tanks and busts of him tiger-surfing a lava-flow in Kamchatka.

As for cute li’l dancing Groot and the Jackson 5, if I am not allowed to be grumpy about that, it destroys the film for me. Black Sabbath’s “Iron Man” in “Iron Man,”…now THAT was placement!

1608. Spockchick - August 21, 2014

@1598 Marja

My lovely Marja, just hang out here m’dear. I have long ago learned after being patronised over there to hang out on chat with the nice folks. I don’t have (or care) to defend my fan position, but many over on the boards have a need to, in an almost feverish way. Heck, it’s TREK, not brain surgery. I think we have a healthy step-back here. Missed you guys, back now :-) xxxx

1609. CmdrR - August 21, 2014

Busts of Putin tiger-surfing a lava-flow in Kamchatka: $7.95 on eBay.

1610. Disinvited - August 21, 2014

# 1602. Marja – August 19, 2014

The Enterprise readies a hugeass bucket o’ sh*t to be slung around the sun … but forgetting the slingshot effect runs into it head on with no shields up …” — Marja

Don’t forget: latest space research says sh*t are shields.

Still digesting claims of the Cosmonauts recovering live plankton growing outside on the ISS’ windows. Trying to absorb the ramifications.

1611. CmdrR - August 21, 2014

Alice in Wonderbra

http://www.popfixx.com/hot-celebrity-pin-ups/6

1612. Aurore - August 22, 2014

@ Mr. Ballz.

I agree with what you recently said on the “Confirmed: First Draft Of Star Trek 2016 Script Complete ” thread.

It was, indeed, gracious of Mr. Orci to say what he did.

…I liked his post.

:)

1613. Harry Ballz - August 22, 2014

@1612 Aurore “…I like his post”

Aw, Aurore, you ol’ honeydripper, you! Hugs and kisses being sent your way!

MWAH!!

1614. CmdrR - August 22, 2014

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-10-biggest-emmy-award-snubs-of-all-time-2014-08-22

Hey! An almost honor only 48 years late. Complete with left-handed compliments.

1615. Aurore - August 22, 2014

@ 1613. Mr. Ballz.

“… Aurore, you ol’ honeydripper, you!…”

_________

…Well, nobody’s perfect…

:)

Thank you ( again ) for giving me the opportunity to read your screenplay.

1616. CmdrR - August 22, 2014

Do you remember when we Trekked?
That’s the day I knew you were tech’d
I wanna tell you how much a nerd I am

Trek with me, my love
To Orci, the sea of ‘quels
I wanna cosplay and show how much I love you

(Honeydrippers version)

1617. CmdrR - August 22, 2014

Do you remember when we Trekked?
That’s the day I knew you were tech’d
I wanna tell you how much a nerd I am

Trek with me, my love
To Orci, the sea of ‘quels
I wanna cosplay and show how much I love you

(Honeydrippers version)

1618. CmdrR - August 22, 2014

http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/thigh-bone-on-mars-nasa-explains-an-unusual-find/

LIFE ON MARS! LIFE ON MARS!

What? Science? Oh, shut up.

LIFE ON MARS! LIFE ON MARS!

1619. Harry Ballz - August 22, 2014

Yeah, it’s nice to see that Bob Orci remembered reading my script, when he complimented me on it in the Star Trek 13 thread.

Now if I could only sell the f*cking thing!

1620. Aurore - August 22, 2014

“…Yeah, it’s nice to see that Bob Orci remembered reading my script, when he complimented me on it in the Star Trek 13 thread.”

_________

Yes, indeed…it was nice to see.

…And, do you remember what you told him right before he accepted to read your script, ages ago?

…Or what you said the day he told you he was actually about to read it, soon?…

( I do .).

:)

“Now if I could only sell the f*cking thing!”

I hope you will, Mr. Ballz.

1621. Cygnus-X1 - August 22, 2014

1619. Harry Ballz – August 22, 2014

Yeah, it’s nice to see that Bob Orci remembered reading my script, when he complimented me on it in the Star Trek 13 thread.

Now if I could only sell the f*cking thing!

Ask him if he’ll put you in touch with or suggest a scriptwriter agent, publisher or someone at a studio who might be interested in buying your script.

1622. AJ - August 22, 2014

Apparently, Sir Patrick Stewart has “ended” the ice-bucket challenge, and with a great deal of class to boot:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mrloganrhoades/welp-the-ice-bucket-challenge-is-officially-over-thanks-to-p?utm_term=1py3aup#vixm3a

It took him a while to come up with his response to Jeff Bezos, but well-played, sir. Make it So.

1623. CmdrR - August 22, 2014

1622 – The rules never said you had to dump it.

1624. CmdrR - August 24, 2014

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/24/map-neptune-moon-titan_n_5701504.html

Super cool “new” pics from the Bush 41 era.

1625. CmdrR - August 25, 2014

What, am I the last Trekkie left on the ship?
Hmmm…
**sneaks into Rand’s quarters and rummages about licentiously**
**locates Scotty’s secret stash and plays Wing Commander with shuttles**
**yaps orders into the turbolift controls until it jams, and climbs out the overhead panel**
**views entire run of Game of Thrones on the main viewer, using the magnification function where most needed**

OK. I’m bored.

1626. Harry Ballz - August 25, 2014

@1626

Tell me, CmdrR, do you always get bored playing with yourself?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

1627. CmdrR - August 25, 2014

Sir, no one who plays with me is ever bored!!

May you wear Spanx, get a fabulous hairstyle, and change your name to Bridgette Ballz, sir.

1628. Harry Ballz - August 25, 2014

Don’t you mean Harriet Ballz?

1629. CmdrR - August 25, 2014

Google it, Harry.
But be warned, once you know, you can never unknow….

1630. CmdrR - August 25, 2014

My bad… Bridgitte. As in Bardot.

1631. CmdrR - August 25, 2014

CmdrR: “Computer, cross reference all data banks for information on Spanx, Bridgitte, and hair.”

Computer: (best Majel Barrett speaking into a tin can voice) “Wor-king.” **teletype sound fx**

http://www.examiner.com/article/bruce-jenner-rumors-persist-thanks-to-spanx-jenner-s-obsession-with-shapewear

Computer: “Supplementary statement: I will never touch Wheaties again.”

1632. AJ - August 25, 2014

CmdrR:

Are you so bored that you are also WILL JAMISON from message 1625 who fantasizes about a TV series spinoff from that piece-of-garbage Star Trek satire known as “Generations?”

1633. Cygnus-X1 - August 25, 2014

Bill Shatner on What’s My Line 1965: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez-YQYK9RS8

1634. Marja - August 25, 2014

1633 AJ, no, CmdrR spells better than that.
—————————————————————————————————-
Hope y’all are well. It’s hotter’n a baboon’s ass in North FL.

I saw “Lucy” this weekend. A fast, trippy violent movie, but unfortunately it seems a sign of intelligence is to speak in a monotone. Otherwise a fun performance by ScarJo.

1635. Marja - August 25, 2014

Also, is it just me, or did “Axanar’s” Alec Peters make a big mistake casting himself as Garth and Whatsisname as the Klingon Kharn? Peters is a bit wooden and … the … Klingon … takes … too many … pauses, and ugh in general — he doesn’t seem Klingon at all.

Some of the “documentary” recollections, oy! “I looked at him and took a drink” and then, what, you paid the bill and left the bar? Talk about milking … well, who am I to wank about it, looks like some fans will be thrilled to pieces with the war-making and the spaceship battles and the hell with character.

The only ones I really liked were Tony Todd, Gary Graham and J.G. Hertzler. And even Hertzler had to sell some lame dialogue.

1636. CmdrR - August 26, 2014

1633 — No, AJ. I don’t fantasize about the missing 78 years. If they were so great, then Picard and company wouldn’t have stuck ‘em in the U-Store-It for reality TV geeks to find years from now. As far as we know from TNG (just the first season), the 78 years consisted of:

-Ignoring the Romulans
-Redocorating starships to look like the Ramada Inn
-Reinventing lasers
-Reinventing androids
-Misplacing toupee technology
-Forgetting (again) how computers work

Not really humanity’s finest epoch.

1637. CmdrR - August 26, 2014

Like the Axanar doc in general.
I would like to have seen some character interplay, although I know they did this as a POP on a budget of peanut butter sandwiches and a promised Klingon-style handy. (Yes, that was gross. I just wanted to give Harry a line he could use.)
The doc raises SO many questions, as do any prequels:
-Just how many starships can Starfleet build? “There are only a dozen like it in the fleet,” Kirk said of the Big-E. I liked it that way. I don’t like the idea of thousands of ships. We should be going boldly, not going out to conquer and shop.
-Once again, we see yet another new construction of the Big-E, this time in spacedock. OK. So, this Big-E was designed with armaments mandated by a Klingon threat. As opposed to the JJ-prize, which was built in Iowa and designed with weapons to cope with a Romulan mining vessel. Isn’t the Big-E a ship of exploration? “Our missions peaceful, our weapons defensive.”
-How many colonies can humanity found and how fast can we make them all look like Hong Kong? New shiny space-age buildings, thick like an old growth forest of glass and aluminum. Regardless of how fast we discover M-type planets, if we plop down billions on each, we’re gonna have trouble feeding people. Also, in Iain Banks’ novels, there’s a wonderful line about how one race went out into the stars to find habitable worlds to spread out… only to discover that each of them had races living their who had the same idea. How many empty golf course-style planets are there with “Vacancy” signs hanging on them? (Rates have never been lower. Call your ‘Century 23′ dealer today!)

1638. Phil - August 26, 2014

@1636. It’s a vanity project, and Mr. Peters is already on record that he’s going to do whatever he wants. It’s his baby, he’s raised a shitload of money, so it really wouldn’t matter if he cast himself as Uhura at this point. He’s going to do what he want’s and it’s really not open for discussion at this point.

1639. Phil - August 26, 2014

@1634. Hey, we were down in Kings Bay, GA, visiting my sailor son. Yep, was pretty hot there, too, though the thunderstorms stayed away…

…also found out I’m going to be a grandpa. It’s official, I’m old!

1640. AJ - August 26, 2014

Phil, please change your nickname to “Grandpa Phil.”

It’s OK. And congrats!

1641. CmdrR - August 26, 2014

Phil — That’s another Starfleet cadet — who will be captain in 4 years!

1642. Cygnus-X1 - August 26, 2014

1639. Phil – August 26, 2014

Hey, we were down in Kings Bay, GA, visiting my sailor son.

My brother is stationed there, too.

1643. Phil - August 27, 2014

@1642. Yeah, my son mentioned the timing of our visit was off, he could have got us a tour of his sub had the base not been on lockdown. St. Marys is a friendly little place – made it a point to hit the local restaurants when possible, could definitely make a couple of recommendations if you are down that way….

1644. Silvereyes - August 27, 2014

139 Phil

Congratulations on your imminent change of status to grandpa, but you can become a grandfather at 50 so no, you’re not old…

50 isn’t old right?

1645. CmdrR - August 27, 2014

“50 isn’t old right?”

@$%* straight it ain’t old!

–CmdrR (age 52)

1646. Grandpa Phil - August 27, 2014

Hope not….because I’m 50 :-)

1647. Phil - August 27, 2014

Hope not, because I’m 50

1648. AJ - August 27, 2014

Sheesh, I’ve got “the” 50 coming in 3 weeks.

It’s not “The Deadly Years” quite yet, is it? 50 is the new 30.

Gosh. 30.

We’re orbiting Gamma Hydra II, right?

1649. Silvereyes - August 27, 2014

AJ, hey, my birthday is in 3 weeks, the 15th… And I’ll be 51!

1650. CmdrR - August 27, 2014

Yes, AJ. 50 is the new 30… for 30-year-olds with pudgy bellies who glaze-out in front of GoT rather than lettin’ the draggin’ play, ifyouknowwhatimean.

1651. CmdrR - August 27, 2014

Yes, AJ. 50 is the new 30… for 30-year-olds with pudgy bellies who glaze-out in front of GoT rather than lettin’ the draggin’ play, ifyouknowwhatimean.

1652. Harry Ballz - August 27, 2014

I’m 59, so I guess I’m the oldest person here at Chat.

That gives me the right to say……………”HEY, YOU KIDS! GET OFF MY LAWN!”

1653. Harry Ballz - August 27, 2014

We just got Netflix, so I watched the first three episodes of “House Of Cards” tonight.

WHAT A GREAT F*CKING SHOW!!!

I had heard it was good, but not THIS good!

1654. CmdrR - August 28, 2014

Harold “Itchy” Ballz, old man.
I thought you’d died or something. All my insults left un-answered since th 1630’s. I guess I’ll just have to try this one:

I guess HofC must be good. I Joker would certainly know…

1655. AJ - August 28, 2014

Kevin Spacey’s escapades over the 4th wall are incredible. Just pure evil.

1656. CmdrR - August 28, 2014

OK, I’ll check out HoC if others check out Penny Dreadful.

Anyone have any thoughts on Peter Capaldi’s Doctor, btw? I have, but I want to hear others.

1657. Disinvited - August 28, 2014

# 1652. Harry Ballz – August 27, 2014

” I’m 59, so I guess I’m the oldest person here at Chat. ” — Harry Ballz

Not unless, you’ve a B-day coming up.

And I’m not allowed to water my lawn until after 6pm 4 out 7 days even though my particular municipality’s city-run water utility has 4 wells full that means we shouldn’t be at that stage and we aren’t, but to make the Guv happy they redefined stage 2 to be equivalent to his stage 3.

*Grumble*

1658. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - August 28, 2014

I guess I’m the kid here. 45.

1659. AJ - August 29, 2014

Yeah! Let Mikey try it! He hates everything!

Hey! Mikey likes it!

1660. Marja, the cat lady, but not the crazy cat lady - August 29, 2014

Harry, You have me beat by one year. No wonder we’re so curmudgeonly, eh?

1661. Marja, the cat lady, but not the crazy cat lady - August 29, 2014

and i’ll make sure my cats don’t get on your lawn.

1662. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - August 29, 2014

I likey I likey.
I”ll try anything once. Or twice.

1663. CmdrR - August 29, 2014

He likes it! Hey, Mikey!!

1664. AJ - August 29, 2014

For control purposes only…the original Life Cereal ad with “MIkey”

Who knew they had Brooklyn accents?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYEXzx-TINc

1665. AJ - August 29, 2014

Of course, in the Mirror Universe, “Emperor Mikey” went on to nationalize the Quaker Oats Corporation and now, billions and billions of happy subjects also “like” Life cereal.

Or else….

1666. Marja - August 29, 2014

Wow, dunno where my message went, Harry, but I was saying I’m 58, so you’ve got me by one year.

So I’ll stay off your lawn and wave a friendly greeting instead ;-).
—————————————————————————————————
Emperor Mike, I like Life cereal. Really. No need for an agonizer. Move along, nothing to agonize here.

1667. Disinvited - August 30, 2014

#1663. AJ – August 29, 2014

In the Mirror ‘verse, Else cereal thrives on the black market..

1668. Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire - August 30, 2014

In the Mirror Universe all kids get a free Toy Agoniser with the purchase of Life Ceral.
All Kids get to pretend that they are a Imperal Officer in Star Fleet.

1669. Marja - August 30, 2014

1667, Dis, LOL!

1668, Emperor Mike, Yay, I can agonize my friends!

1670. Harry Ballz - August 30, 2014

@1666

58, Marja?

Good, I like young babes like yourself!

1671. Cygnus-X1 - August 30, 2014

The actor who played Mikey in those commercials died from eating Pop Rocks and Coca Cola at the same time.

1672. AJ - August 31, 2014

Cygnus, that was a rumor. I remember hearing it as well:

http://wzozfm.com/where-is-little-mikey-from-the-1970s-life-cereal-commercials-video/

1673. Cygnus-X1 - August 31, 2014

Yeah, I know.

I was just curious how many of you people were familiar with that urban legend. ;-)

1674. Marja - August 31, 2014

Why Harry, you charmer. I’m all a-tingle!

Cygnus, the key was when you said Mikey “ate” Coca-Cola. That’s simply impossible scientifically!

1675. Cygnus-X1 - August 31, 2014

Bustin’ balls…excuses…

I suppose I should have said, “ingesting.” ;-)

1676. Marja - August 31, 2014

It takes a persnickity Trek fan to know one, Cygnus :-D

1677. Harry Ballz - August 31, 2014

@1674

“I’m all a-tingle!”

Ah, always a good starting point, Marja.

1678. Harry Ballz - August 31, 2014

Canada’s Fan Expo is going on today here in Toronto.

William Shatner and Patrick Stewart are both there.

A friend I know through business just posted (on Facebook) a group picture of her son and grandson standing and smiling with Shatner and Stewart.

They probably paid at least $100 for that shot!

1679. Marja - September 1, 2014

Harry, yep, that’s a “money shot” for sure :-)

1680. Harry Ballz - September 1, 2014

Marja, oooooh, you’re naughty. I LIKE naughty. :>)

1681. AJ - September 1, 2014

The imagery is revolting.

1682. Cygnus-X1 - September 1, 2014

LOL

1683. Marja - September 1, 2014

AJ, Hey, hey, I was just commenting on how much the Cons charge for these things.

with a leettle joke

“EXTREMELY little Ensign”, as Spock once told Chekov.

I’m just wading deeper and deeper

O_o

1684. Harry Ballz - September 1, 2014

It’s like that Cheech&Chong line when they’re watching a pourno……

“oh man, that looks like my grandfather eating ice cream!”

1685. Cygnus-X1 - September 2, 2014

Deeper and deeper, Marja?

You’re gonna get poor Harry all hot and bothered.

1686. AJ - September 2, 2014

Marja:

Wade in as deep as you like. Just keep following Harry…

1687. CmdrR - September 2, 2014

http://www.accessatlanta.com/gallery/entertainment/photos-dragon-con-2014/gCM5H/#6008059

1688. Harry Ballz - September 3, 2014

Well, I just got back from visiting friends at their cottage in Grand Bend.

What did I miss?

Oh, nothing. I see………………….

1689. Harry Ballz - September 3, 2014

@1686 AJ “Marja….keep following Harry”

AJ, you’re telling Marja to follow me, meaning she is behind me. Yet, you’re encouraging us to go deeper and deeper.

Wait, I’m confused….

1690. Cygnus-X1 - September 3, 2014

Harry Ballz Into Darkness

1691. Cygnus-X1 - September 3, 2014

Speaking of which, I’m curious to read your screenplay, Harry.

1692. Harry Ballz - September 3, 2014

Cygnus-X1

I would like to hear your opinion on it, Cygnus!

Email me at michaelappleton@outlook.com and I’ll send it to you. That goes for anyone else.

I value the opinion of all my friends here.

1693. Harry Ballz - September 3, 2014

The Toronto International Film Festival starts tomorrow and lasts for the next 10 days.

This town will be crawling with every power broker in Hollywood!

Sounds like fun!

1694. Marj - September 4, 2014

“Grand Bend,” Harry? I DON’T THINK SO ;-)

Cygnus X1,
I have just learned you are the nearest “black hole”
[can we tell Marja's been watching "Cosmos"? I think we can]

The floor is open, folks … sink right in :-p

1695. Marja - September 4, 2014

correction

didn’t want y’all to think I’m being all informal and stuff

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

1696. AJ - September 4, 2014

1694:

“Marj” is pronounced like “Marge.”

Shall we just call you Marge? Margie?

How about Madge? Like the Palmolive lady?

1697. CmdrR - September 4, 2014

Keep writing, Harry. That’s the main thing.

1698. Cygnus-X1 - September 4, 2014

In the constellation of Cygnus, there lurks a mysterious, invisible force:

The black hole of Cygnus X-1.

Six Stars of the Northern Cross
In mourning for their sister’s loss
In a final flash of glory
Nevermore to grace
The night…

1699. Marja - September 4, 2014

Awww
You are a mysterious invisible force all right.

AJ: No please no!!! Marja will do just fine. Or Maja [maya] as some people insist on calling me.

1700. Marrrrrja - September 4, 2014

So, AJ, what’s hot in the world of Russian chocolate?

Do they at least taste good?

1701. Phil - September 4, 2014

@1698 Ewwwww….

@1699. Hold the mayo?

Who gets to be 1701??

1702. Harry Ballz - September 4, 2014

YO!

1703. Cygnus-X1 - September 4, 2014

1700. Phil – September 4, 2014

@1698 Ewwwww….

LOL

1704. Cygnus-X1 - September 4, 2014

For the non-Rush fans, that little poem was the prelude lyric to their epic song whose name I share: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlNrQGmj6oQ

1705. Harry Ballz - September 4, 2014

Funny, the band Rush is legendary now, but they played at all our high school dances in Toronto back in the early 1970’s.

1706. Cygnus-X1 - September 5, 2014

Nice!

1707. Phil - September 5, 2014

Can’t complain about that. About the only thing my high school did was end up on the loosing end of some epic basketball beat downs at the hands of Reggie and Cheryl Miller.

1708. AJ - September 5, 2014

1700:

What’s “hot” in the world of Russian chocolate?

First, it is VERY good.

Second, Putin’s war against Ukraine has enhanced domestic sales (all Ukrainian candy is now banned here by decree, freeing up shelfspace for domestic product) and messed up European exports (where Ukraine is dumping what they cannot sell in Russia, which was their major market). How it will all end up is anyone’s guess.

Americans can buy it all here:

http://www.russiantable.com/store/man_depts.asp?page=all&man_id=5

1709. Silvereyes - September 5, 2014

I’m a bit late in the news, but I just found out that Shirley Temple died early this year at 85… Sad.

She was US ambassador to Ghana in ’74-’76 and to Czechoslovakia in ’89-’92. I was surprised to learn that.

She was also a Republican. Ah well, nobody’s perfect :)

(crouches down with arms covering face and head, bracing for retaliation…)

1710. Harry Ballz - September 5, 2014

Ah, Silvereyes, my old friend. I just KNEW we were both Democrats at heart!

1711. AJ - September 5, 2014

Well, Canada is just what US liberals like me wish our home country would strive for. Healthcare as a human right, and not a privilege, and other highfalutin crap like that…

And, lo and behold, and paradoxically, you have a lower corporate tax rate! Hello, new owner of Tim Horton’s! Burger King is now Canadian! Can Walmart and McDonald’s be far behind? Is Celine Dion for sale?

1712. Harry Ballz - September 5, 2014

“Is Celine Dion for sale?”

I wish! And you can have her cheap!

1713. Cygnus-X1 - September 5, 2014

Near…

Far…

1714. CmdrR - September 6, 2014

So sick of corporations bitching when they don’t even pay their taxes. So, now America just ain’t good (read: cheap) enough for them?

(Some of) The Beatles left Britain when they faced a tax rate of 95%. THAT made sense. Corporations are whining their azzes off about 35%.

If Kirk were president, he’d let the Burger King corporate leadership go, nationalize the properties, bank accounts, and every last plastic spork, and say “Fuggety-bye!”

1715. CmdrR - September 6, 2014

15% flat tax!
No exceptions, no kvetching!

2 shuttles in every garage and a tribble in every pot!!

1716. Harry Ballz - September 6, 2014

And after dinner, we’d have no tribble at all!

1717. Marja - September 6, 2014

Cmdr R, I agree with most of your ideas but a 15% flat tax would beggar the working class. And I think the tax rate for the rich should go from the 30th percentile [as it is now] back up to 70+% as it was under Nixon and presidents before him.

In Florida, rich folks don’t pay much [if any] sales tax if they buy a second yacht. Now that strikes me as bloody unfair, as does the low rate for “second homes” and the state having to be partly responsible for re-building beach condos where no condos should be.

Kvetch, Kvetch, Kvetch, but I am 100% with you on the question of healthcare!

1718. Cygnus-X1 - September 7, 2014

Marja is absolutely right.

A flat tax is extremely unfair for people struggling to get by.

15% is a lot more money (relatively speaking) to someone making $20k than it is to someone making $200k.

In terms of the “fairness” argument, it’s basically like this:

The US socioeconomic system is rather like a club where not every member gets the same benefits. People who live like kings are obviously deriving more benefit from the system than people who are starving.

Therefore the kings have a lot more to lose by the system not working than do the starving people. If your life sucks, you really don’t care much if the system collapses. If your life is wonderful, then you care a lot and want to preserve the status quo. And there’s every strata in between those two extremes.

Tax policy should reflect how much benefit each citizen is deriving from the system and, by corollary, how important it is for each citizen to contribute to the preservation of the system. If you make $30 million a year and your income above $1 million were taxed at, say, 50%, you’d still be making a sh*tload of money. This higher income tax bracket will not affect your lifestyle. You’ll still be living like a king compared to the vast majority of your fellow citizens. And so on….

1719. CmdrR - September 7, 2014

OK. I get your points about the poor. HOWEVER, I also hear the needs of the poor invoked by the wealthy. I would certainly consider waving income tax (and all food tax) for people below a certain income. It would probably be even higher than what exists now, since I know how far a dollar fails to go these days. HOWEVER, I just can’t get behind a 50% or higher tax rate for anyone. My idea is that we start yanking out exemptions and subsidies and keep everyone above a certain point on a flat tax. Yes, this sucks for the folks just over the threshold, but there has GOT to be an end to the whining and dining on public dime. You’re right when you say the kings get the most out of highways, public defense, clean water, etc.. If we collect the money from people who actually use these not-free services we’d be in better shape.

Also: I would like to see large cuts in spending, especially on the military. And I’d much rather see price regulations replace universal health care. I’ve volunteered in a hospital. I know what it’s doing to them, and it’s not good. UHC only benefit bloated corporations who need regulation to trim down their prices.

Oh, and I’m finally catching up on “House of Cards,” so if you oppose me, we’ll have a late night discussion… then I’ll get some ribs.

1720. Cygnus-X1 - September 7, 2014

1719. CmdrR – September 7, 2014

HOWEVER, I just can’t get behind a 50% or higher tax rate for anyone.

Keep in mind that this would be a marginal rate.

Only income above a certain level, such as $1 million, would be taxed at that rate. The first $1 million would be taxed at lower rates. So, a person making $30 million a year would take home over $15 million.

Do you think that $15 million is not enough money for a person to have in a year? What good does it do you to have increasingly greater portions of the money supply accumulating in the bank accounts of fewer and fewer people over time? It’s not only bad for you personally (unless you’re one of the lucky few), but it’s extremely bad for the economy and for cultural advancement in the long run.

What drives the economy is demand for goods and services. The more people who can afford cars, the more cars will be produced to meet the demand. When the money supply shifts out of the working and middle class and into the bank accounts of the wealthy, it decreases demand overall for goods and services, which slows the economy and the rate of technological advancement.

It’s not just a coincidence that the rate of income inequality during the current Great Recession is the highest that it’s ever been since the Great Depression. Wealthy people don’t spend all of their money. They don’t each buy 1,000 cars simply because they can afford to. Working and middle class people, on the other hand, spend most of what they take in. This increases aggregate demand and drives the economy.

Don’t be fooled by people trying to blame the national debt on “welfare queens.” It’s not true. It’s not the poor people who are adversely affecting you. When President Reagan first instituted the great reversal of cash from the middle class into the bank accounts of the wealthy, the result of the road to the flat tax (two tax rates in the late 80s, top rate 27%) was to quadruple the national debt over the 12 year period of the Reagan and HW Bush presidencies. The national debt hadn’t been a problem up to that point, even during the 1960s when the US was spending a larger percentage of the federal budget on Defense than at any time since. The “Reagan Revolution” was the beginning of the whole “debt crisis.” And our current debt issue today is a direct result of the road to the flat tax.

Cutting the military is probably a good idea, though with all of the foreign trouble looming on the horizon, it’s probably not a good time to cut Defense spending.

1721. Harry Ballz - September 7, 2014

I was down at the Toronto Film Festival today and saw Eddie Redmayne (he was in Les Miz) coming out of the premiere of “The Theory of Everything”. He was signing autographs and being friendly with the crowd.

1722. CmdrR - September 8, 2014

Cygnus-X1

Strong defense does not mean throwing money at multi-billion dollar fighter jet programs for planes that STILL have not taken to the air in any conflict. There is room to cut without l