The Immunity Syndrome Screenshots and Video

Good work CBS-D. I look forward to your future work.

Boy, looking at the photo comparison, all I can say is that sometimes it’s difficult to distinguish between Remastered and the original. That’s not to compliment the new version for adhering to the flavour of the old, actually, on the contrary. I’m just saying…….

NEXT GENERATION & THE NEW BATTLESTAR
GALACTICA ARE STILL BETTER THAN THIS!!!

UPDATE

TNG looked more CGI (too many fuzzy beauty passes) than model, or so I think.

Wow but that was a lot of work for a very average episode. The effects are definitely the best thing about this otherwise paint-by-numbers installment. Well, the effects and that one really enthusiastic bridge crewman who does a sumersault during one of the many shaky camera moments.

Frak me!

I’m with #87 on that shot of the Enterprise entering the amoeba. The ship could have been shaking and shuddering for a bit as did the camera effects inside the ship. But overall I enjoyed it very much.

Also, I’m wondering, where did the details from the physical model go? Is the new CGI model forgoing the ‘rust ring’ which encircles the front of the saucer below the lettering? Is there no longer ‘weathering’ on the interconnecting dorsal, the warp engines, the engineering section and the front edge of the saucer? Has subtle ‘hull plating’ replaced the now generally well-known details of the physical model? Surely, some of these details can be retained with the new look of the CGI model? I believe the first model had the rust ring in “Balance of Terror” when they inserted a new shot for that show. But I don’t think the new version incorporates this look.

I like the CGI version, in fact I welcome it, but I think it’s a fine-line these artists walk when doing something like this.

As I see it, the ship should be ‘cleaner’ in the early adventures in the first season. As if the ship had been restored, upgraded and made ready for Captain Kirk and his crew.

As the show progressed, the ship entered “standard orbit” many times and various planet atmospheres might leave a slight weathering effect on the hull, as well as entering areas of space where the effects would be left on the hull.

And as the missions multiplied into the third year, the ship’s exterior would reflect this.

Of course, it would never become as ‘weathered’ as the EM version in the Smithsonian. That is overdone, as we all know….. but unless…….yes, the ship was eventually sold to a descendent of Gene Roddenberry and he took the Enterprise light years away from any recorded civilization, never to be found again.

Well done CBS-D!

I’m glad the kept the same basic look for the space amoeba in full and reworked the inner structure to look more organic and less like oil and color dye visuals seen at Grateful Dead concerts.

-cs™

Older shots of “the inside of amoeba” look better, aesthetic-wise, to me. Those remade just look like any other generic nebula in Star Trek.

Stars in remastered version are still way too dim (blatantly visible at both “Heading for Starbase” and “Black space?” shots. Visually, there’s nearly no difference between open space and “the void”. Space looks just as bland and empty as the void.

Otherwise, episode is nicely made. I’m pleasantly surprised they kept the amoeba design.

One more thing – is it just me, or does the amoeba shape in remastered version stay all the same for whole episode? Now, THAT’s lazy. In sixties, they managed to make it change shape, yet in 2007, they can’t do the same with modern computers?

Yes, it really should change shape. The word “amoeba” comes from greek “amoibe”, which means “change”.

I soooooo hope they release these re-done ones on dvd.
and they’d better be cheaper than the $100 ones they already released!

#12: I believe Kirk said “Cowell”, not “Kyle”

>>#12: I believe Kirk said “Cowell”, not “Kyle”

If you look really close, the grill has slighty changed, but who cares? That really is impressive work!

On the video (and this is the one thing that still gripes me about CBS-D’s work-about the only thing that does), at the times 0:42 and 0:37 on the fx video the ship looks fair, but somewhat plastic. I can live with it, though. At 0:34 it gets much better though. But the BAD one (and they use almost every episode) is the shot at 1:06. I HATE that shot, it reeks of plastic/fake/YUCK!!!!!!

Drives me nuts, because I love everything else they are doing. CBS, please get rid of this shot or redo it, or something. Using it over and over again is depressing.

WOW! and Double-wow!! I saw this ep when it aired on sat but I missed the shuttle diparture during a beer run… cool as hell.

Is it me or am I seeing interior structures through the windows on some of the E close ups? It’s definitely more than a bright white light coming through the windows. When I saw the shot of the E being pulled into the “beastie” I thought it was too much motion, but when you cut to the bridge and everyone is literally jumping out of their chairs, the motion of the E is sold. Kinda looks like a jumbo jet in bad turbulence.

Great job CBS-D.

Well, I finally saw it last night. I must say… MIXED BAG on the effects. Some shots were big spot on, some just plain sucked.

The good: The beauty passes are much better, even if the coloring is still off. ie, the deflector dish… the overall lighting of the Enterprise. But still, they are much improved on sense of scale and movement for the beauty shots.

The bad: The episode specific effects still suffer. The shuttle leaving the Ent: landing bay, was terrible. The Ent shaking as it entered the amoeba was awful. I use the words “cringe worthy” with full intent. Not impressed at all. The amoeba looked good, the constant movement within the amoeba, but I agree with a previous poster that the amoeba looked more like a generic trek nebula than the amoeba that was presented in the original episode.

Overall, I’m genuinely more and more disappointed overall than I am impressed. And again would reiterate that there is no way in hell I would buy these on DVD if re-offered. So not sure where Paramounts bottom line is on this project, but it’s not enticing me to spend more money. I’m actually saddened by this missed opportunity to do something really cool.

Doug

Man, you guys really analyze this stuff. I do to an extent, but I don’t even know what some of you are talking about some of the time. You notice details I would never in a million years think about.
I’m not saying that’s bad. I’m just saying I am not seeing a lot of it unless it is brought up.
All-in-all I like this episode and thought the remastered version was mostly excellent.
Not really that hyped-up about Gorgon. I suppose I will tape it, but as far as watching the whole thing, maybe not. Can’t be a lot of opportunities there for the remasterers to work with.

This episode has some of the most amazing new FX shots I’ve seen by CBS-D so far. Even from the just the fx reel and the pictures it’s already surpassed my expectations.

Can’t wait to see the proper episode!

I think it’s just a matter of taste. Some like coffee, some like tea (Earl Grey, hot). Doug, I find it interesting that some of the effects you enjoy, I do as well, yet some that you really have a problem with don’t bother me that much. Im still cringing only when I get that behind the Enterprise shot fro above that looks like a tiny plastic toy (see my post #27). I’d be curious what you think of that shot. Am I the only one bothered by it?

I do like the running lights casting their glow on the hull in the dark. However I wish they would work more on the shuttle bay interior. The “globes” near the doors are now what… greenhouses for zero gravity hydroponics? On the original they were structural… no reason for them to be framed and translucent.

I already noticed the problems with some of the shots with the Enterprise as it was reduced looking like a toy. Mainly as the Enterprise rocks uncontrollably inside the amoeba. Just the couple of the shots were unnerving to watch.
That was the only thing I didn’t like out of all of it.

They make up for this with some nicely rendered shots. Everything else works.The oozing effect of the amoeba was quite excellent. A far departure of overall in a matter of one outing. The work improved. The lighting was good. No more of that visible hull plating shots like we seen last week. If the Enterprise needed to be darker then they should gone with this route.This has become one of my favorites too.

Going back to the ship movements… you can’t have people jumping and being hurled all over the bridge while exterior shot shows a rather tranquil motion of the ship. The enterprise is big, but it’s not so big that subtile movements will send people hurtling across the bridge. It’s LOA is slightly longer than Tiger Woods can hit a golf ball off the tee and it’s about as wide as a cruise ship is long. To send people suddenly rocketing out of their chairs on a cruise ship would take some serious movement and that’s just what CBS-D had to create in order to sell the frantic goings-on inside the bridge.

I have to believe that the guy playing Mr Kyle was re-cast in this episode as Mr . Cowl. They change his name, give him a gold shirt, and I think they give him a stripe on his sleeve. If everyone remembers, TOS did this a lot with actors, changing names, shirts, rank, and even place of service. For example, Look at Commander Giotto in “Devil in the Dark” He appears in The “Ultimate Computer” as Commodore Stone. Right?

Oh my God the opening beauty shots are gorgeous. By Jeffries, I think they’ve got it!

Still don’t like the cartoon-like “medium” views, along the z-axis and typically looking down the warp engines and the secondary hull. There is not much on those tube-shapes and the coloration reminds me of an 8-bit rendering.

Maybe one of you photography experts can help me.

I watched the reel half-a-dozen times to identify what bothers me about those “looking forward from the rear” shots that to my eye look like a video game.

I think the problem is this: there is no sense of “forced perspective”. i’ve been at Norfolk and seen the Big E in person, among other supercarriers.. I’ve been at Cape Canaveral and saw a Saturn 1b and several space shuttles — not to mention the VAB. Those things are HUGE! and about the size of the ST Enterprise.

When the ship moves away from my “eye”, the spacing between the warp engines does not change and I see too much detail for the supposed distance. In other words, it looks like my AMT model held up to my face and moved away a few feet. The apparent size remains essentially unchanged.

It seems to me that, as the Enterprise moves away, the sheer distance would make the forward portion of the ship seem MUCH MUCH smaller and fuzzier. You guys know what I’m talking about — it’s the classic “railroad tracks” they teach us in junior high school art class.

The URL under my screen name links to a page on the USS Enterprise, CVN-65. There you will find a number of good shots of her from various perspectives. Notice they reveal everything I am trying to explain in words, except of course there are no movies of her underweigh. Perhaps I’ll dig around for footage of maneuvers at sea, although we’ve all seen enough WWII footage of real ships at war to know how they look: HUMONGOUS!