The July TrekMovie.com story that the USS Enterprise will be in the new Star Trek sparked much speculation. A video (titled ‘test footage’) appeared on YouTube a few days after the story, but just got noticed in the last week sparking many emails to TrekMovie.com.
After consulting those in the know, TrekMovie.com has come to the following conclusion…
Very promising stuff.
How did I know you’d use that DS9 clip???
Too bad it’s apparently a fake though.
LOL, nice touch with the “It’s a fake” clip.
LoL Anthony!
I did like that DS9 episode. I am so looking forward to this movie.
It’s totally fake, please that model looks as detailed as a Starfleet Command 2 model… lol and the lighting… oh gawd LAWL
The effects will not be blue screen, so obviously and totally fake
clearly, undeniably. NOT test footage. Gotta luv the “it’s a faaaaaake!”
to me it looks better than the cbs digital remaster fake enterprise that looks like a video game animation
#10 Agreed.
I doubt that models will be used so heavily as in earlier Trek films. especially after Digital Domain showed up ILM with the CG work in Nemesis. Plus it is really a case of time marching on for the way films are made. However, models have an advantage that CG ships will NEVER have. Models have real mass and weight whereas CG is, well, weightless. It is much easier to make a model to look more appealing with simple math and camera speed settings. CG just requires so much more time and work and if one cue is of then the believability is ruined completely.
That’s the issue I have with TOS-R. They have an improving model but they just don’t know how to get the damn thing to move and behave right!
very funny, that DS9 clip is awesome :)
On the subject of the depiction of the new Enterprise…I’d imagine it would have to be depicted much larger than TOS ship .Perhaps the size of the Enterprise B (Excelsior )Would be more realistic especially for a movie and a crew compliment of 400 plus.
What the? Only one photon torpedo launcher? Talk about a neutered version of one of my favorite ship designs. Thank god it’s a fake!
The nacelles look way too fake.
Oh, and the rest of it, too.
Darn and I thought I was going to my wish with what I posted about wanting to see what the new Enterprise looked like in the Urban article. Anthony I wondered when seeing that TrekMovie has come to the following conclusion if you would have used that line from DS9. :)
Heh, nicely put…
That model was RUBBISH!!!!!!!!!1111
I’d love to see a proper 40 foot model built but it’s just not going to happen any more. CGI is the way it is now. The limiting factor used to be the details and the closeups but if you look at the CGI Enterprise in the remastered TMP, it passed all inspection and was as graceful as the motion capture ship. It doesn’t HAVE to be pants!
I sometimes think I am more interested in how the big E looks and moves in this new film than who they cast as Kirk tbh as they CAN make a tall ship which moves in a stately fashion to bring that whole ‘Hornblower’ feel to the film that WoK had which makes SO much more difference to the film than letting some crappy frisbee NX-01 pretend to be the Falcon as it swoops in on it’s axis and barrel rolls around the place and makes you think you’re watching some knock off Blake’s 7 clone…!
It’s about dignity goddammit! :-)
Anyway, apologies for the rant but I was all excited for a minute there until I saw that… :-D
Remember the reverence when Sybok talked about a “Star Ship” and even whatsisface, the failed captain in TOS who’s name completey escapes me when he said that Jim Kirk commanded a “Star Ship”..?
The Enterprise is a magical, classical vessel, not some cheapy knockoff Ent-E style spacefighter that swishes around with no real importance :)
it has so much history. There were papers written in the 70s that discussed it’s sexuality if anyone else is old enough to remember that. Men lusted after the ship because if you dropped enough acid you could imagine it was a woman with it’s legs in the air! (Someone got paid to write that but it was around the time of “I am not Spock” and “Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds” by the Shat, so fair enough I suspect.
That may not be helping my point mind you, but the point IS that it’s not to be thought of as anything other than the single most memorable and recognisable space ship in the history of science fiction.
So they better not mess it up :)
That footage doesn’t look bad though.
“Men lusted after the ship because if you dropped enough acid you could imagine it was a woman with it’s legs in the air!”
I have now officially read it all….I wonder how many geeks on acid trips checked into an ER with a Enterprise model stuck to their nads.
Oh…damn, that’s not a pretty visual.
Fake,, pffttt,,
But the “Gabe Koerner 3d Enterprise” sure is interesting,hes got 2 Enterprise movies on youtube by the way,hes put alot of hard work into his clips.
look up GCKoerner on youtube.com
That guy has alot of talent
It was a long time ago, and I’m sure I read it in a tabloid, but there was some bloke with many letters after his name who swore that was why Star Trek was popular… :-)
Right, go find that old ERTL kit you have and blow the dust off it, and take a good look at where they put the shuttlebay doors and see if he is right!
I suspect it depends on the angle you look at…..
(Disclaimer: I’m just passing on old memories, I have to say I REALLY hope he’s not right, but it’s more that people took the ship *that* seriously before CGI frying pans became a 5 minute job on Lightwave. It’s the Beagle, the Endeavour, the Kon Tiki rolled into one and made myth… they named the first Space Shuttle after it and if you ask me (which you didn’t) it all went downhill with the Ent-D).
The E-D was very much a creature of its time, as was the Big E.
60s = sexy curves.
80s = stealth bomber technology
Personally, decades later I still like sexy curves.
I disagree that Enterprise II designed because of one photon torpedo launcher. mr spock and kirk never been on borad. dont show in movie..
It took me a long time to like the Enterprise D. I was 13 when TNG premiered and I though it looked like the Enterprise had a baby with some kind of spinal disorder. REALLY big head and tiny little lower body and legs.
But then some neat angles, the quick u-turn and jump to warp happen and I was in love again. My fave Enterprise will always be the ones in the movies. So sleek and graceful.
In a platonic non-sexual way, of course.
Wouldn’t the ship in the move be the “pilot” version if it takes place before WNMHGB? After that time it would be the “production” version. If the events of the first season are the beginning of the 5-year-mission, then it seems the ship was upgraded after it’s adventure to the edge of the galaxy.
It would be fun to see both in the movie, if events dictated. But this fake version just comes out of nowhere. Looks good though.
Sexual or Not we want our beloved BABY BACK as we remember it! :-)
#24. Same here I didn’t like the D at first but it grew on me. I wonder if the new Enterprise will be radically different? Or if it will have the same exterior except maybe larger but the inside will be dramatically different.
Hope the windows are smaller. Big windows (or too bright at too long of a distance) ruin the sense of scale. That’s my biggest problem with the E-D; the dang windows would have to be three decks high!
If the new E is the same size as TOS (about three decks deep in the forward saucer) then it would be neat if they acknowledged that with the set. They would be more like a submarine in that the corridors would be crowded with instrumentation, maybe some work stations, and working pipes and guts. That would be cool.
I honestly don’t think it will be radically different. But I am certain that there will be some changes. Hopefully not too many purists will have aneurysms when the new design is released. Interiors should have some minor upgrades but still have the look and feel of the original, hopefully they will expand so you get the feel that the Enterprise is really a big ship, kind of what they did in TMP in the …well, whatever that REALLY big room was…you know what I mean.
@25 – it really depends on if it’s a BSG reboot or a faithful reproduction that fits perfectly with canon.
At this point, we really don’t know for sure about any of the design for the film.
I think it must be one of the hardest things to decide on for the whole project.
If you look at the TNG episode with Scotty, ‘Relics’, when he went back to the bridge of the Enterprise it looked wonderful – it was exactly the same, but ‘different and shocking to see it on TNG. The lighting can be used to make old sets seem new. But it was still retro and I’m not sure that the studio sponsored man in the street who will be used for test screenings will get the whole fuzzy that life longer trekkies will get from that. And they count more, sad to say. Also, in the episode for 2 minutes it was good, but would you buy into buttons and rheostat knobs for 2 hours? It might seem twee.
They can’t make it look out of place, so there will be the strong strong pressure to make it look newer, a la ‘nx01’ (cough, hack spit) for ‘modern’ audiences. But I’d much rather they took the design and made it look ‘older’, say 50’s Buster Crabbe Heart of Gold older (am I showing my age now?) than some fop to our new, lowest common denominator movie audience.
I just want it to look, I dunno… ‘classy’ :-)
It is the difference between “dated” and “period” as was pointed out re the TNG box sets. If they can make a 60’s period sci-fi film and carry it off, then we can have our old Enterprise back. If not, then we’ll have to have some new hussy to bat her running lights at us and see if we’re still enchanted.
What if they did the Phase II design?
It’s a fake – (Senator Rekar) Stephen McHattie would make a great Romulan in the movie or how about Peter Weller as the Romulan Leader? Judson Scott played Commander Rekar on Voyager could be a Romulan also you need a Romulan crew.
#31 – I think they could use the original series design, but use modern lighting techniques.
Trials and Tribblations got it right, and so did Enterprise’s mirror universe Defiant.
They maintained the original look and feel, but enhanced it just a little, so it looked good to current cameras and lighting.
Take the original Enterprise, and place her in new environments and situations that perhaps may look and feel new and different.
She’ll hold up.
You treat her like a lady, and she’ll always bring you home.
Paramount has its most experienced man working on the new E:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://tmw.jagflyhosting.com/trek2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.thismodernworld.com/weblog/mtarchives/week_2004_10_03.html&h=242&w=360&sz=28&hl=en&start=99&um=1&tbnid=89CVYtSDuvcJxM:&tbnh=81&tbnw=121&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dstarship%2Benterprise%2Bcartoon%26start%3D80%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN
(it’s about 2/3 down the page, sorry this is such an addy-full)
@31
but then it would be *after* the 5 year mission and they would all get a nosebleed from the temporal instability…
@29
Recreation hall? But yes, if they can do that I’ll be giddy as a schoolgirl, but I’m preparing myself for a ‘re-imagining’ just in case.
#33. ENT didn’t get it right. They got it right, hit the nail on the head, lightning struck twice, struck gold, AND hit the bullseye! That is what I was hoping for from TOS-R but was sadly, not surprisingly, disappointed. If ILM screws up, then the world is ready to end.
I’d love the filmmakers to take this approach: rather than a slavish replication of the original TV sets (down to the glowing-chicklets buttons), I’d like them to imagine the original sets as an “approximation” of a real vessel, but done with 1960s lowish-budget design and construction. Now, imagine that you can do a 2007 approximation of the same original vessel, but with lots more detail, and without some of the 1960’s-specific tweaks. So — the overall “look” is familiar, but it feels much more “modern” (or at least timeless) in the details, and maybe even in the overall feel.
IOW, think of the contrast between a 1950s World War II movie and a 1990s WWII movie. The both try to replicate the same sorts of 1940s originals (i.e. ships, equipment, uniforms, civilian clothes, cities), but their approach and attention to detail are very different. But despite the differences, we can see both of them as depicting the same “reality,” but with different tools.
@36
they haven’t shown TOS-R over the pond yet so all the opinion I see is from this site. Fuzzy YouTube clips of the new episodes don’t really tell the whole story so what I’ve seen looks great (apart from the Doomsday machine Death Star Trench run bit but I forgive them in their enthusiasm).
I was bowled over by the DS9 and ENT portrayals of the ships of the day at the time, and I remember all sorts of things being seen for the first time, the grid lines on the saucer used to be a thing of debate back in olden times, but the new CGI model showed them up as obvously – they’d been there all along.
But had we seen them before? The old AMT/ERTL kits had HUGE gridlines, and the TV show seemed not to show them and so there was a debate if they were there or not… there was a scale modelling magazine I bought as a kid in the 80s that had a ‘perfect guide’ to the kit which said that the lines weren’t there, so sand them off!
But the DS9 show suddenly showed the lines. So THAT meant they’d been there all along, like Klingons with flat foreheads. It is just that prior to that, we’d never seen the detail.
I think, if they take the original 60s ship, and add new lighting, new textures but retain the basic shape, grace and feel, then we’ll accept that up until now, we’d not seen the detail either.
Too funny… thank you, Vreenak, for confirming what I’d already suspected. For that, you should somehow be featured in the new movie…
Hi,
I saw an image of this ship months ago in a thread somewhere on a cgi web-site, but I don’t know where to find it anymore. It is an attempt to reimagine the Enterprise by a fan of STAR TREK.
In my opinion the Big E made by Gabe Koerner is the best reimagination. Still to big (double size of TOS E) but the best. The general look of his ship is on the right way. It should be more to the original size of 300 m in length.
Weak,,, Bring on legit spoilers
It looks like a shot from TMP but with the old enterprise
#38– The original 11 foot E had gridlines drawn on in PENCIL and were VERY faint.
TOS-R is getting it right in that area.
Interesting.
Apocryphal – but interesting.
(Single photon tube, 1701-A pylons and hangar deck line – interesting looking of course, but not historically accurate …)
Hmmm… maybe me or Dennis should put one of our Enterprise animations on YouTube and label it “test footage”… now THAT would get tongues a-clucking. (evil grin)
The Quickening:
I sure hope it’s a fake. TPTB need to radically alter the design of the Enterprise, making it more realistic and believable. This is 2007. I always thought the TOS and TNG Enterprise ships looked like toys in space rather than actual vessels.
lol! of course it’s fake! everyone knows they use green screen instead of blue screen now!! :P
This looks like it’s a combination of the TOS version and the TMP Refit.
You know, before Scotty threw on the new Type II warp engines and replaced the deflector dish with the flush deflector array.
This footage is probably from when he took her out for spin during the Lost Years in between TOS and TMP.
Makes total sense. Yeah.
:)
I am probably the only one that doesn’t want the original Enterprise design in XI movie. I want some new approach take f.e this Gabe Koerner re-imaged Enterprise isn’t good enough for me. I Like this more http://gabekoerner.com/fx/Gallery/nightshade1064.jpg alternative design by Koerner more promising for the Enterprise in XI movie.
It just need retro color of the original and TMP and nacelles need look more like Ent E nacelles.
guys the only reason I put this article up is for people to stop emailing me the link….but I decided to have some fun, and just to be sure I did ask a few folks