As recently as August Leonard Nimoy was still saying that he thought the new Star Trek movie would be better off with William Shatner in it. However, The New York Times is reporting that Nimoy is ‘not sympathetic’ to Shatner’s latest complaints about the film. In the Times ‘Arts, Briefly’ section Nimoy is also quoted as saying:
I know he’s upset, but his character died three movies ago, so it would have been very difficult to get him into this one.
Word.
damm you Danya i was going to be FIRST
At least SOMEONE directly associated with the production is stating the obvious. Now, if only JJ would chime in and lay this to rest.
I guess Leonard Nimoy yelled shotgun when TrekXI came up. Or was that “FIRST!”.
I bet if The Shat’s asking price weren’t so high, they would have found a way to get him in there. With the writer’s strike, there would be no way to add him now.
… says the man who’s character died NINE movies ago :)
But yeah.
I’m glad Leonard said something. I’d like to see Shatner playing Kirk again too but if it doesn’t fit the story then so be it. Not the end of the world. It’s been kinda sad to watch ‘ol Bill bitching so much the last few weeks. Makes him look petty. Noone held a gun to his head in ’94 and told him “Kirk Must Die!”; he made that call himself by signing the contract.
When the Vulcan’s right, the Vulcan’s right. :)
I would like to see this movie end with the older spock dying in the younger spocks arms before the mission is through. The older Spock mind melds with the younger spock in order to help him complete his mission. Now the olders spocks “eternal soul” is with the younger spock throughout time…and this time he will join his friend on the Enterprise B.
Is Jonathan Archer going to make a cameo in the film?
According to Star Trek canon, he was present at the first launching of the Federation Starship Enterprise NCC-1701!
In Star Trek Nemesis, Janeway made a cameo as Vice Admiral and in “Enterprise”, Cochrane made a brief cameo.
Is anybody here in favor of Archer in Star Trek XI?
Leonard Nimoy said new Star Trek movie would be better off with William Shatner in it.
I disagree. Acually i think Star Trek XI would have been better without Nimoy in it.
Bring back Archer!
Thank you leonard! I hope that Bill will still come to the movie and enjoy a bucket of popcorn
#11:”I disagree. Acually i think Star Trek XI would have been better without Nimoy in it.”
Another reason why they pay Abrams the big money rather than you or I. :)
Archer??????????????hahhahahha gimmee a break hahhahhaha
#15 What’s wrong with Archer?
HE’S THE GREATEST CAPTAIN IN STAR TREK HISTORY!
HE CREATED THE FEDERATION!
Enterprise (Season Four) > Star Trek: The Original Series
But,
Enterprise = Star Trek: The Original Series Remastered
# 10
Sure I think it would be cool if he did a cameo, they are fun, but it doesn’t seem likely to me.
Are you sure it is canon that he was at the 1701 launch though? In order to be canon it has to appear on screen.
#17 Canon as in Star Trek Wiki
Why isn’t it likely that Archer will be in Star Trek XI? I thought this film will respect Star Trek canon?
Very difficult, but not impossible…
I really hope that we will get official word on this soon!
#20 I hope so for Archer. He’s just as important as Kirk!
Kirk: Your’re a Starfleet officer. You have a duty!
Archer: I don’t need to be lectured by you. I was out flying starships when your grandfather was in diapers!
Wouldn’t you want to see this in Star Trek XI!
Someone’s had a few too many caffeinated mints, I see.
“It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare; it is because we do not dare that things are difficult.”
(Seneca)
stop spamming section 31
Archer probably couldn’t be around with kirk and crew runnin’ around on the Enterprise. Way out of his time frame for that. Now, If Young Pike took Fleet admiral Archer on a tour of a newly Christened Enterprise, that might work with the continuity. as for continually having to do “Send offs” with old crew I find it utterly disappointing and boring. Sure a small send off (i.e. picard giving over command to Sisko, Quark meeting up with harry and Tom, etc.) is fun, but why do we feel the need to continually shoehorn in these old characters?
Kirk is dead. He lives on in re-runs, and frankly I think they should have kept him out of the last half of “Generations”. His death was terrible, his existence in the 24th century felt EXTREMELY contrived even for Star Trek, and it felt like the whole Kirk Vs./With Picard thing was overshadowing the whole storyline of the movie. Nearly everything became a throwaway compared to the fanboy’s ridiculous wet dream that was the third act of that film.
I’m sure there’ll be a huge number of people who always like seeing faces they’re familiar with making appearances, who’ll ream me for disparaging their favorite movie, But PLEASE don’t turn This film into Generations II. I don’t think I could handle that. Frankly, I think Abrams is better than that, but all of this griping and whining that Shatner is doing isn’t going to get anyone anywhere much less him.
If the final script was good, and approved by paramount, then that is what (hopefully) will be filmed. If I don’t get a part in “Henry V” as Falstaff at my local community or university theatre, I don’t go to the local newspaper and tell them how I was in a good production of Henry IV as Falstaff, and to keep that continuity and to keep the character true, they should’ve hired me and made a big mistake not to. Now I know that these are Iconic characters, but take it from a distanced standpoint: These are ACTORS hired to play CHARACTERS. If other actors were to make this big a stink over being passed over for a film, they’d never work again. I mean a passing comment is expected, possibly even a little rude depending on the context. But to continually gripe to the press, your friends, and other actors about it for MONTHS on end, means something else is up, and proves that if you haven’t gotten that phone call by now, they ain’t gonna offer you a part buddy.
Shatner’s had his heyday, and frankly I think Nimoy has too. I think that one thing that Trekkies (like me) are afraid of most is change. I certainly am guilty of that. I shook my head no at Enterprise for 5 years before I gave it a shot. And when I caved a little to see if it was any good, I was hooked because it wasn’t about whether or not it necessarily retconns some of TOS, but it was about the way the stories were told and the characters that drove them. Not the fact that a Guest appearance by some old Trek Veteran would’ve made the show “link more” or “give a nod to the series”.
Let this be something that relaunches the interest, obviously some of these older actors can no longer hold the audience interest in the same way they once did, otherwise Star Trek would have a very different history.
If they found a way to include Archer of all people rather than Shatner or Stewart or Frakes, I would petition for the removal of Brad Grey from Paramount Pictures!
Kidding, of course. I’m excited about all the news thus far!
I am often puzzled that trek “fans” are so easily troubled/frustrated/impressed by the events of Star Trek VII (Generations). Kirk’s death is not cannon… yet. Let me explain.
Kirk died within the Nexus. No, wait: It isn’t even THAT bad, because he really died in PICARD’S Nexus. It is a matter of Trek record that the Nexus is a very private, personalized space-time event.
If a simple “remember” at the end of ST2 was enough to leave the door open for “possibilities,” why do so many of you fall prey to the forced opinion that Kirk’s fate was fully determined in ST7?
Indeed, it is a simple matter to restore Kirk’s character. The fact that he continues to be missing has nothing to do with the Star Trek universe.
Nimoy would know if Shatner is in the movie or not. If Shatner is in the movie, they are going to keep it as a suprise. I suspect we will be seeing Shatner.
Kudos to Nimoy, no-one needs fat Kirk.
Bring back Archer. And btw, bring back Sisko!
3 months ago, Nimoy stated that this film would be better with Shatner than without him. He’d already read the script by then and he’d already seen Generations. Now he’s telling us the opposite. I’ve always had the greatest respect for Nimoy and I still have, but I really don’t know what to make of that inconsistent tattle. He’s entitled to his own opinion like everyone else, but – in view of this crucial situation – does the man who already is in the film really has to make such a depreciative statement towards the man together with whom he created the most iconic combination in scifi culture?
I hope this is just another “spice” to the Shatner’s-not-in-the-movie dish. Although IMO, this is getting quite distasteful.
Uh, the comment “but his character died three movies ” is flawed . (Assuming it is true he said that). His character died 9 films ago, and they brought Spock back (in a far less “plausible” way). Kirks death is easily “remediable.”
I’m not necessarily saying they should (although it is my personal preference).
But stating they can’t because he already died ‘three movies ago” is, well, illogical.
Nimoy gets asked this stuff because of Shatner’s public tantrums.
It appears Nimoy was as diplomatic as possible, given that he was being asked about a project in which he’s an active participant.
Section 31 = Scott Bakula?
Of course, this is all science fiction. f-i-c-t-i-o-n which means JJ gets to make it up as he goes along.
I suppose Shatner could be a master deceiver, a member of a vast, Starfleet conspiracy to fool and torment Trekkies worldwide, teasing them over Kirk’s exclusion from this script until the last second of the film.
There, out of the blue (screen), will appear Kirk, cleverly dressed as Denny Crane do throw off the paparazzi and sneeky fanboyz, with a feather boa space bimbo on each arm, laughing at us wildly, the cash falling from his overstuffed pockets.
Hahahahah!
KIRK MUST DIE!!!!!
Picard/Marcus 2008
“Because Scientists R2Kewl”
6. Spock was resurrected, but it took a whole movie to do it, since this film doesn’t center on Kirks resurrection it would seem very arbitrary to include it.
This is my first post ever on this site, I’m a big fan of Star Trek and I decided to finally express my opinion on this never ending question: Should Shatner be in it or not?In my humble opinion YES!
But not because of Shatner. I don´t care about the man’s ego or if he is or isn’t a nice person, or just an arrogant “bratt”, but HE IS KIRK.
The stakes here are about Star Trek core and not cannon, it’s about a vision, Roddenberry’s one. He created a universe based on humanity’s triumph over its faults, bust most of all it’s about friendship!
Admiral James T. Kirk stole and destroyed the first Enterprise in order to “just” save HIS FRIEND’s soul (ST III), and ended up saving his life and being reduced back to captain. Some years back he accepted to battle Spock to death (Amok Time) in order to save HIS FRIEND’s honour. In ST IV the first name the “newborn” SpocK remembers is HIS FRIEND “Jim”
Now, if in this movie the older Spock as a chance to go back in time (as per plot rumors so far) and prevent Kirk’s death in the past, does it make any sense he doesn’t try to save HIS FRIEND from diyng in the future?
I LIKE CANON. I like this idea that througout all TREK incarnations there are connections and order, but I just think that STAR TREK fundamental VALUES are more important than that.
Remember, Spock’s death in ST II wasn´t the only one eluded in TREK:
For example Dr. McKoy died and resurected in the paradise planet (Shore Leave, I believe), and even Voyager’s KIm died and was replaced by an alternate timeline counterpart (Sorry, don’t remember that episode’s name)
Of course, I agree with the producers, Shatner should not be “shoved in” on the story but I think they could do it without necessarily going thoroughly back to that “less favorite” Generations.
And even if he would be in the movie, it doesn’t mean that that would perpetuate Shatner’s presence forever (in the sequels), they could give “Old Kirk” a farewell like they did Scotty in TNG’s “Relics” without killing him, I believe that would bring a better closure to the character…A Roddenberry like closure!
Any way, one thing is certain, it’s Roddenberry’s VISION and VALUES and CHARACTERS that gives us all ,that love Star Trek, the oportunity to debate this issues, NOT CANON, as respectfull as I am of it.
And if the franchise is to be saved, it’s creator ideas MUST be there!
Respect for all of you, sorry for the intromission
Stupid comment, considering his character was once brought back from the dead.
From what I’ve seen and heard of this thing so far, Shatner would be better off staying away. That being said, he’ll probably somehow end up in it.
I wish the studio would release some photos so I can once and for all completely ignore this thing.
Why I hold out ANY hope at this point is beyond me.
re:27
“Kidding, of course. I’m excited about all the news thus far!”
I have seen NOTHING so far to be excited about. Not one morsel. Not one.
OK, that poster is not bad.
May I ask a stupid question? Why do you want to bring back Kirk? Just for a brief cameo? Just to see him in one more scene? I mean – come on. It’s not like TWoK, he’s not going to return permanently. We’re not going to see him in command of the Enterprise in Star Trek 12 or anything. So what exactly would be the point? If, for some plot-twisted reason a cameo is possible, fine. Do it. But, sorry to say that for all Shatner-fans, this movie is not about bringing back Shatner but about bringing back Star Trek.
#40:
1. To right his stupid death. If I watch Star Trek 11 and see young Kirk I alsways have to think of his death, of how he falls off a bridge.
2. The chemistry between Nimoy and Shatner would make for some great scenes. It would simply be fantastic to see them together on screen as Spock and Kirk again.
3. Shatner and Nimoy should pass the torch on to the new actors. If it is Old Spock and New Spock and New Kirk, there is something missing here. You cannot drive a car that has only three wheels.
4. Kirk brought his best friend back to life and said: “You would have done the same for me.” But Spock never did it – not because he never wanted, but because the screenwriters and producers of the movies never let him do it. So THIS would be the chance for Spock to repay the debt to his best friend.
I really doubt Archer could be in the new movie. If I’m not mistaken, ENTERPRISE takes place 100 years before TOS. And from reading Archer’s entry at Memory Alpha (Star Trek’s Wiki website) he died on the launch day of NCC-1701. That was when Robert April took command of the ship. Kirk wouldn’t become the Enterprise’s captain for another 15-20 years after that.
Diifficult because he “died” 3 movies ago, eh?
This, coming from the resurected Spock, who is appearing in a movie dealing with an ALTERED timeline.
Give me a break.
Damn. I really wanted to see those two together on theater screen….one last time….but I guess not. Yet I don’t feel as sorry for Shatner as I do for those Trek fans that want him in there >_>
Unless the strike ends…which it *might* before filming ends…nothing will change.
Mr. Nimoy’s called it. Shatner should have never agreed to appear in Generations at the expense of his character’s demise.
The STORY is about SPOCK.
that’s all we need to know!
Sorry — Shatner’s ego aside (hey WE ALL HAVE EGOS) — this movie needs to have him in it. HE IS KIRK!!! The same way NIMOY IS SPOCK!!! The same way CONNERY WILL ALWAYS BE BOND!!!! This movie will be better with Shatner’s presence. Hey I’m a DIE HARD Yankee Fan — but I hate A-ROD and his ego — LOVE HIS TALENT, and that is why I’m glad he’s going back to the Yankees! A project of this magnitude wih no Shatner — to me that is a huge risk!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I still think that the Shat will either be in the movie right at the end or in the next movie somehow :)
Nimoy is a true professional and I wish there were more Actors like him in cinema…
Peace
Jay
I’m against Shatner being in the film as Kirk ,but if they’re using the guardian(of forever) as a story device the writers are being very selective about what time line (kirk’s potential death as a young man vs. veridian death )they’re choosing to fix.
It wouldnt be difficult, I dont know if it would fit the story, but it sure wouldnt be difficult