“Coming Home”
Star Trek: Discovery Season 4, Episode 13 – Debuted Thursday, March 17, 2022
Written by Michelle Paradise
Directed by Olatunde Osunsanmi
Discovery gently sticks the landing in a season finale that neatly ties up the plot and character arcs for the season.
WARNING: Spoilers below!
RECAP
“This will all be over soon.”
Earth and Ni’Var’s ticking clocks are down to four hours and even warping Federation HQ in (yeah, it can do that) is only going to save a fraction, and that’s with Tilly doing the math! The Disco is still trapped inside a 10-C orb and Tarka is running around pissing off the superbeings more. Before Burnham can lock up the delegates, Ndoye confesses she was the saboteur, only to find out her stunt ended what may have been their last chance at peace. Oops. Unable to quickly convey the nuances of this deteriorating situation, T’Rina tries a mind-meld with our old friend Cloudy and it sends her to sickbay in pain, but she did work out they are a hivemind who just don’t get what’s going on with these little carbon units in their little ships. “We must find another way to reach them, or I fear that our worlds are already doomed.” No pressure.
Tarka is phaser-focused on his DMA power play that could kill them all, ignoring emotional appeals from Book and Reno, and even trying to talk his dubious prisoners to the dark side with promises of family reunions in a new universe. But an escape plan begins to form, thanks in part to Grudge, of course. Speaking of dangerous plans, Stamets and Adira have worked out they can break free, all they need to do is burn out the spore drive, stranding them decades away from home at old-fashioned warp. What do they have to lose at this point? “Do it.” And if you thought they had pushed the limits of the spark and flame generators before, director Olatunde Osunsanmi asks you to hold his Romulan Ale.
“We can’t let the pain do this to us. ”
Freed from their orb and oddly ignored by 10-C Discovery heads to intercept Tarka who has begun his attack on the DMA. Thanks to Grudge’s distaste for holograms, his cat collar is used to break out of Tarka’s prison and right through his little defense field, with Book knocking him cold. With no way to stop Tarka’s programming Book sends Reno to the Discovery with a simple but heartbreaking message to tell Michael he loves her, and to do what it takes to stop his ship. And what it takes is a shuttle suicide run to Book’s ship, and it looks like Michael is going to send Detmer in. “I’m ready, captain.” Just as you prepare to pour one out for Keyla, Ndoye volunteers to make things right. Checking in on the stakes back home, Vance has ordered the end of the evacuation. There is nothing left to do as he and Tilly stay to go down with the ship station, drink Risan whiskey, and trade life stories and regrets.
Looking for a way to reach Tarka, Book finally pulls the Oros card. Would he really want this? After everything, this is what finally lands. The self-aware super-scientist pleas, “He’d have stopped me, why isn’t he here to stop me?” Sadly, now accepting he is in the wrong, he can’t even stop himself. It’s all automated… but here comes Ndoye. Boom. The DMA attack is over, amazingly the general was beamed away, and Book and Tarka are alive too… for now. With seconds left Ruon uses what power is left to send Book to back to Michael. “Your life is in this world.” He spends his last moments thinking of Oros, clutching their dimensional transporter in desperate hope. As Booker starts to materialize on the Discovery, his ship ends… taking the signal with it. Cleveland. Is. Gone. Michael breaks. “Captain, another orb is coming.” Somehow, Captain Burham returns, in command. “Let’s go finish this.”
“Our fates always interconnected.”
10-C sent another pod to take folks down to the surface, and the Captain invites the whole bridge crew along for emotional support. Revealed in all their glory, the DMA-makers are as big as you might imagine, graceful and floating, with light show faces, and a forest of tendrils for arms. Thanks to a well-timed language algorithm update, they can finally have a real conversation. Now is President Rillak’s time to shine, finding that common ground where all these individual (yet also one) beings, just want “happiness, freedom, security, equality” It takes a bit more nuance to explain Tarka’s actions, with Michael stepping up to make the case against the DMA. Calling back to her visit to their doomed homeworld, she finds that connection. “Don’t let history repeat.” Their response takes translator Saru’s breath away… they will move the DMA away, and just in time as an ecstatic Tilly and Vance were running out of booze.
Everyone on both sides of the galaxy can now breathe easier, but Michael is returning to her feelings of loss. The great aliens are curious and she explains. Turns out they forgot to mention they stored a certain transporter signal, one with a certain Cleveland “That’s right, I’m still alive MF” Booker. After everyone checks to see if this is really happing the Kwejian wastes no time to finally face the race that wiped out his planet. No, steering the toxic DMA to empty space is not good enough. The empath makes the case and the connection, hiding behind this big, (not so) beautiful wall isn’t worth any price. Honor the ones you have lost by finding ways to connect. Turns out it’s a big day for the 10-C, they shut it all down, vowing to “make this right.” See, all it took was a little old-fashioned face-to-face, take that texting generation.
“We can overcome any challenge as long as we do it together.”
With all their problems solved, the 10-C decide it’s time to go, sending the Disco back to Earth to party like it’s 3190. So it’s flaming cocktails and heartfelt hugs all around, and little moments for everyone, including Reno delighting Stamets’ found family by revealing her nickname for him — “bobcat,” T’Rina expressing her Vulcan feelings to Saru, and Vance and Rillak just respecting the hell out of each other. The president has come full circle on Michael since they first met, saying Burnham is ready for command of the fancy new USS Voyager, knowing she would never take it. As for Book, the prez isn’t going to throw the tablet at him, he is “sentenced” to helping DMA refugees. It was hard for Michael to say goodbye, so he gave her his cool coat, and with “Kwakoni Yiquan” he and Grudge were gone.
Captain Burnham’s voice guides us through an extended coda of moments and montages, reminding us of the season’s themes of “uncertainty” and “connection” as everyone prepares for some free time back on Earth and beyond. Speaking of Earth, the President comes up for a visit, and some stunt casting, announcing they are ready to rejoin the Federation. Huzzah! Others are as well, so the journey that began with the Burn is now complete, but Captain Burnham still looks out to see are “countless worlds out there to be explored.” And presumably, some of them will be in season five.
ANALYSIS
Certainly a finale
After some considerably mixed results on previous season finales, Discovery played it a bit safe with this one. It checked all the boxes it needed, with just enough action, tying up loose plot ends, delivering on thematic arcs, and just a sprinkling of humor to add some flavor. But too often the episode felt like it was just avoiding any big swings. And the finale was another example of how Discovery doesn’t seem to trust its own audience enough to just show, always feeling the need to tell, with too much extended exposition, and an overly long voiceover to wrap things up. While gratuitous violence is not needed, does it help sell the stakes when in the end everyone made it out, including Ndoye who offered up her life as a form of penance? Even Tarka has a chance with his transporter. Don’t actions have consequences?
Where “Coming Home” mostly excelled is with the character beats, tying up many arcs in satisfying little moments like with Saru and T’Rina, or heart-wrenching scenes, like Tarka’s epiphany. And of course, the big one, with the grieving Book, both learning and teaching a lesson to the big bad 10-C — syncing up their glowing light-shows with his own was a nice touch. It’s no surprise that the MVP through all of this was the focal character of Michael Burnham, who herself came full circle from season opener “Kobayashi Maru,” going through her own no-win scenario by ordering the destruction of Book’s ship, with her love on board. Sonequa Martin-Green proved herself as she showed her pain at his (presumed) death, and ability to rally and be Captain.
The return of Tilly was a delight, and even with the character now carrying more responsibility and seriousness, Mary Wiseman’s effortless enthusiasm and lightness sold the mostly expository scenes set to set up the stakes, only highlighting how much her absence has left a hole in this show that has to be filled, either through her return in season five or with a new character and equally talented performer.
10-C you later
“Coming Home” also did the job when it comes to wrapping things up on the big DMA threat and the mystery of the 10-C, although we never did actually find out what they call themselves before they sent everyone home. Maybe the 32nd century equivalent of a California-class will drop by to get those details. In the end, 10-C may be the series’ most successful new addition to Trek canon, the creation of a genuinely alien species forced the show and its characters to go beyond their normal rules and technologies. They also looked great, with some subtle visual effects.
Welcome back
In some ways, this season finale feels like it could have worked as a series finale, and perhaps it was built that way in case there was no renewal. It certainly feels like it wraps up the big arc that began when the show rebooted itself with a jump into the 32nd century and a fractured Federation. Vance’s heroic defense leading to Earth to rejoin the Federation was of sort of the last piece to say the UFP is back in business, with a few stragglers to pick up, with Andoria the only one of the original five not yet back. It was a nice touch that the stubborn Tellarites were the only founding member that never left. Stunt casting aside, the final ceremony was moving, especially the closing shot and that pale blue dot. This opens up the possibility that season five (and beyond) will start to explore outside the Federation and maybe some strange new worlds… the show of that name doesn’t have the monopoly on that core Star Trek mission.
Final thoughts
Combined with last week’s “Species 10-C,” these two episodes watched together form a more satisfying feature-length finale. Although the first half could have used some of the latter’s character beats, and the second half could have used some of the former’s smart sci-fi concepts. “Coming Home” may not leave you hanging, but it doesn’t leave you wondering. It answers all the questions for you, but at its best, Star Trek should challenge you too, giving you some questions to take with you, especially as you wait until the next season.
Random bits
- This is the eighth Discovery writing credit for executive producer and co-showrunner Michelle Paradise, who also co-wrote the season premiere.
- Executive producer Olatunde Osunsanmi continues to have the most Discovery directing credits with his twelfth time behind the camera. He has been the producing director for the series since season one.
- General Ndoye’s first name was revealed to be Diatta.
- The episode ended with the message “For April, with Love.” This was a dedication to April Nocifora, a long-time Star Trek producer who lost her battle to cancer in December.
- In addition to Book’s ship, the USS Discovery lost one shuttle, but there were no mentioned crew deaths, although one bridge officer was at least injured by a major console explosion.
- The previously mentioned USS Mitchell, named in honor of Discovery guest star Ken Mitchell, was seen for the first time.
- Other ships mentioned included the USS Yelchin, named for late Star Trek actor Anton Yelchin, USS Credence, and USS Greco.
- Book and Michael reminisce about a mission on Tiburon, a Beta Quadrant planet first mentioned in the TOS episode “The Savage Curtain.”
- Not only can Federation HQ warp, but each deck can also detach as a lifeboat and warp too. Neat.
- For the first time on Discovery, the Borg are mentioned, indicating they could still be active in the 32nd century.
- The President of Earth was played by the prominent political figure Stacey Abrams, who is an avowed Star Trek fan.
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A strong finale to a strong season of a series I’ve hated up to now. So a pretty excellent turn of events from where I’m sitting.
The bit where Burnham orders Detmer to her (thankfully unfulfilled) death was a big highpoint for me. The way everyone played it made it feel as if it was really going to happen, and it therefore carried (at least for me) an emotional weight that was earned and meaningful.
Well done, show! I hope season five is as good.
Funny. I felt it was a strong finale of a boring season of a series I liked at the beginning but became bored somewhere in season 3…
But as the romans said:
De gustibus non disputandum est. :-)
Interesting. Well, hey, at least you liked the finale.
I can’t get enough of that quote, and I never took a day of Latin. :-)
Dave that is my sentiment exactly. It seems the formula is Episodes 1 and 2 and 11 and 12 are good, and everthing else since Season 3 is kind of filler.
This season finale was wonderfully satisfying expression of the best of Star Trek. Exploration, a truly.alien life form, coping with an inexplicable threat, life and death, confusion and misunderstanding, solidarity and empathy are some the themes that this finale manifested. While some enjoy nitpicking the inevitable inconsistencies in a highly serialised production, I enjoyed the sheer trekiness of the this finale. We’ll done!
Agreed. I was really drawn in by it and enjoyed every moment. Seeing something new and alien was wonderful and I loved the interactions of the characters. As you say some will nitpick but there is always a percentage of people who will find fault with anything. I’m now 51, third generation Trekkie, like my Dad, my uncle and grandfather who watched it from the late 1960’s onwards and have all passed into the Great Beyond. I am so damn thankful we still have Star Trek stories to enjoy, the they did all these years later. Well done indeed.
Disappointing season, but Disco is the first ST show to lose me.
And that stunt casting was unforgivable. Couldn’t find someone who didn’t contest their own election loss for years? Would Trump have been an appropriate guest? Nope.
Crazy people can be ST fans, but shouldn’t be on the show.
You mean the election that was officially overseen by her opponent, who was responsible for the counting and certification and determining which polls would be open and staffed? That election?
The one where a Federal court ordered them to save the backup data and they just deleted it anyway?
Yeah man, crazy.
Sound like you think election integrity is a problem in the USA? But I thought Biden’s election was the fairest of all time? Should be completed believed.
Here are two suggestions: in Canada we minimize cheating by making people show ID, and we use carefully monitored scrutineers instead of easily manipulated computerized voting machines.
How about we agree that the election process needs some work, and move on?
I still don’t like politically based stunt casting
Ah yes, Stacey Abrams is the crazy one… right. Not you. Not you at all. Definitely not you.
Soooo…. Is it OK or not OK to claim an election was “stolen”?
It’s okay if you don’t try to overthrow the government. Abrams had the election stolen from her, said so, and moved on.
She brought no evidence of wrong doing. She’s no different than Trump in that regard. Just grabbing at straws the same as he did.
Well her party never moved on. She was introduced 2 years later as the Governor of Georgia. And she didn’t contradict them so I’d say she is complicit in that.
But since no one tried to overthrow the government then Trump saying so too is OK then. Gotha.
And for the record, IMHO Trump should have let it go after the legal challenges weren’t heard.
It is a little silly to call her the governor, since she is clearly not governing the state even if she did win the election. But Abrams has never called for violence, unlike some former presidents who I can name. Between all the obvious voter suppression, and the fact that her opponent was running the election, it is pretty clear that there was wrong doing. There is no way to tell whether that wrong doing is what cost her the election though.
Yeah, I’m certain Trump and his fans would have been just fine with Biden’s people counting the votes. Instead, in the closely contests it was usually a Republican Secretary of State, who nevertheless usually had the integrity to call the result in favor of a candidate they didn’t want. And they’re in the process of being replaced for their trouble.
Except she did not win the election. If she did, she would be Governor today. Also, no former President has ever called for violence. However I am aware of a current Vice President who worked to get violent rioters bailed out. Also, if you get to say there was wrong doing in that election then others also get to say there was wrong doing in others. It doesn’t only work for people you agree with. For example, between the media burying stories that hurt their candidate, last minute allegedly illegal election law changes in some states and unusual statistical oddities I think it very clear there was wrong doing. But the fact is the votes that were cast were counted and the election went the way of the votes. It’s long over and people need to learn from it and move on. Even Al Gore eventually moved on.
It’s funny, several on the Right, both civilian and politician claim there was widespread voter fraud (there wasn’t), the election chief for the former administration said it was the most secure election ever, and somehow despite votes being cast on the same ballot, it’s only ever mentioned that the votes made for President, are the ones that were somehow fraudulent. And since they were on the same ballot as the other elections, for both State and Federal offices, wouldn’t those elections also be fraudulent?
Nope. It’s only for a certain office in a certain house, of a certain color. All other officers, no election fraud of any kind since it’s never mentioned…
I agree in that there is a vocal group from one side who seem to think that only their side has the right to call out what they see to be election improprieties. And it is only when their side loses. When they win, no matter what is going on, it’s always the “most secure election ever”. That side sounds a lot like Weyoun in this little snippet from Tears of the Prophits:
WEYOUN: Pah wraiths and Prophets. All this talk of gods strikes me as nothing more than superstitious nonsense.
DAMAR: You believe that the Founders are gods, don’t you?
WEYOUN: That’s different.
DAMAR: In what way?
WEYOUN: The Founders are gods.
A Democrat won. A Republican election chief, said it was the most secure election ever. A Republican President, fired him immediately after because it went contrary to his claims of the “big lie”
You do the math.
Except, the Democrat didn’t win. She lost. And complained she was cheated. Like a certain former President we all know. Now do the math.
Depends on the circumstances, naturallment. Unfortunately, nuance is not something taught at Trump U.
In other words… Only when it goes against someone of “my” party do we get to talk about it. If my party won and the other side claims wrong doing then it’s not OK.
Grow up. Did I hurt your feelings?
She is a controversial, active politician playing the President of a United Earth on one of the most socially conscious shows out there. There are no accidents, and the message this sends is clear. Star Trek has crossed into direct political advocacy. Star Trek used to be a show that built bridges between opposing thoughts. It used to force us into critical thought by asking questions. Modern Star Trek wants to tell us what to think. It’s quite sad. A bit of a side note – I’d have preferred an actor…but if you’re going for stunt casting, you know who would’ve been a great choice? Michelle Obama. I don’t think anyone would expect any current or former right leaning person to be considered, but getting a former or non active politico like her would have been much more effective at conveying a message than an actively engaged politician. This was an incredibly divisive choice for that role, and just shows that if you’re at any point to the right on the political spectrum, this show’s creatives care nothing about your patronage of their show. I know many of you will bash me for this, but this is reality. There is no place for diversity of thought in Trek anymore.
Space pew pew show activism make me feel bad. Must be something wrong with space pew pew show.
Anyone who refers to Trek as a ‘pew pew space show’ clearly does not understand Star Trek on any level.
Why does show about diversity not showcase the unifying views of today’s republican party? Derp.
LOL, you win the internets for the day with that, my friend.
(Perhaps if Mitt Romney had been given the role of her VP there would be less agita amongst the MAGA contingent, but I doubt it.)
“I know many of you will bash me for this”
I love near moments of clarity
Rom literally quoted Marx and won major concessions from Quark. Star Trek has always been direct in its politics.
Lol Funny. Ferengi quoting Marx while a Federation Captain Kirk quotes the US Constitution fighting Kohms while Picard has to destroy a collective.
You’re ignoring the core part of what I said. Trek at its best has taken on political issues, and posed questions and left up to the viewer to decide what to do. Having characters offer up quotes of political figures from the past is not the same as advocacy. Trek, at it’s best, was never preachy either. That’s not the case with Kurtzmann, and this is as big of step into passing over social commentary and getting directly into political candidate advocacy. Never has Trek’s political stance been as meta as it was in this season finale. Here’s another possibility. Have Earth’s leadership get off the shuttle, and you see a ‘council’ or something step off. Want to go meta with that? Put Stacey Abrams up there and some other politician from the right. Send the message through that scene that shows the audience that two people from radically different ideologies can come together under the flag of a UNITED Earth. Something that sells that message without having any character say a word. That would have been Phenomenal with a capital P.
If the right wants to be welcome on star trek perhaps they should produce a politian who actually embodies its values. You want in, earn it by being the kind of people someone can look up to.
Not thinking the other side is worthy is exactly why you do it.
Agreed. The best Trek was when it fairly offered up alternative takes on situations where both arguments had valid points as well as flaws. I think you made an excellent point that if it was some sort of council with two stunt casts (a recognizable person from the other side) would have sent a far more unifying message.
It’s the kind of thing that would have posed questions. Use divisive people to send the message and serve the story. A hopeful future is attainable. Otherwise, it’s just political advocacy, and incredibly shallow for a show that has been as intelligent and cerebral as Trek (prior to the Kurtzmann regime)
You probably thought Gul Dukat had a good point.
Trek has ALWAYS been preachy. “Let That Be Your Last Battlefield” is laughably preachy. “The Omega Glory” is cringe-worthy peachy. “The Drumhead” is movingly preachy. “Detained” is on-your-nose preachy. Need I go on?
They have from time to time and those episodes have traditionally been among the worst of the franchise. But it certainly didn’t happen often enough to enable and “always been” in front of the comment. And even when they used a sledge hammer to make their point they still stopped short of casting active divisive politicians into their drama.
Crossed into direct political advocacy? Have you ever seen the show. The characters all live in a socialist utopia. Star Trek has always engaged in political advocacy.
Ah, but you changed what I said. I said “direct political candidate advocacy” there is a huge difference in presenting a political point of view, and propping up a failed candidate running for re-election. Trek has not entered into that realm before.
Yes, because the concept of a ‘United Earth’ is, like, totally controversial now.
It certainly feels out of reach, and Trek is now furthering divisions and cementing itself as a niche show for democrats only. That wasn’t the case until Kurtzman and company took it over.
I like Star Trek’s view of humanity’s future. But it seems jarring to put any current politician on the show. I think Gene Roddenberry would be very upset.
Gene would’ve been upset about Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, Deep Space Nine, and a whole slew of Trek films and shows that were made either after his death, or in his twilight years.
Doesn’t mean he’d be right.
Nope. Putting current politicians on Star Trek should be a big red line. Period.
Abrams has actual, legitimate reasons to contest her election loss. And yet, she never tried to orchestrate a coup.
maybe she should have
And neither did anyone else.
Bullshit.
Please tell me what coup there was? Did it have institutional backing? Did this group of yahoos really think they were going to take over the government? You do realize that after your alleged “coup” congress was up and running again within hours. Anyone who thinks that either has no idea what an actual coup is or has an agenda. Again, if you want to see what an actual coup looks like then check out what happened in Myanmar a month later. What happened in DC was little more than an ugly event perpetuated by a number of dimwits. Geez…
Actively egged on by and advocated for by then President Trump. That fact that Trump spent months after the election actively trying to overturn (whether by lawsuits or direct calls to Governors – i.e. Georgia) the results shows there absolutely was institutional backing, even if only by one man (and we all know it was by a lot more than just Trump).
And just because the coup was unsuccessful doesn’t mean it wasn’t a coup. What it does mean is that the checks and balances in this country are strong enough to withstand an attempted coup.
If you would take the time to actually listen to what Trump said you would realize in no way whatsover did he “egg them on” or anything close to it. But people who confuse the event for an “insurrection” tend to close their eyes and ears to the actual facts surrounding that event anyway.
Pray tell what institutional backing did they have? If they did that backing didn’t help them in any way shape or form. Were the yahoos lied too?
It cannot be stressed enough how foolish it is to call those events a “coup”. It was supported by statistically no one.
I read the entirety of his speech (I couldn’t bring myself to listening to 70 min of his inane ramblings), and he absolutely unequivocally egged on his supports to attempt to overturn the election. If you can’t see that you are either willfully ignorant or just delusional.
The institutional backing was Trump himself. Even a small coup is still a coup.
I got news for you ML31:
“Did this group of yahoos really think they were going to take over the government?”
A group of yahoos, is precisely the people who overthrew their own government, when they opposed “taxation without representation”. I believe we now call them the Founding Fathers.
And they had institutional backing. They created an army. They created their own association. All things that did NOT happen on 1/6.
Sorry. Try harder.
You are either a fool or a liar if you think this. If it’s the former, you’ll need to find someone other than to educate you. If it’s the latter, conversation with you can serve no useful purpose.
Sorry but no. Anyone who insists it was some sort of insurrection or coup just has no idea what those things really are. Either that or they know that spreading the lie advances their agenda. I stop short of calling them fools but there may be some of them who actually buy into it as well. Mainly it’s either ignorance or agenda.
Uh huh:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/five-ways-donald-trump-tried-coup/620157/
One day some of you will have to wake up the reality how corrupt and immoral person Trump is even if you voted for him.
In the meantime just keep closing your eyes and ears and pretend otherwise. It’s been working this long I guess.
All I can say is first The Atlantic is not exactly a reliable source. Next, none of their reasons support their conclusions at all. Which also supports how unreliable a source they are.
If Trump is corrupt and immoral then nothing major has stuck to him to support it. All it has been on that front has been lies and hearsays. And he’s been proved right in all the conspiracies against him so far. Go figure.
Look, I was as much of a never-Trumper as one could get in 2016. But after I saw the results I changed my tune on the man. Not on his personality. Which was arrogant and bombastic and he just came across as a pure A-hole. Still does. But I cannot argue with the results. I was stunned at how effective a President he was. I was very wrong on him in 2016. I’d rather have an effective President who’s an A-Hole than an ineffective one who’s a nice guy. Sorry.
LOL dude, no offense, but this is the only argument you can make. It’s not ‘credible enough’ and yet you seem to believe everything Trump tells you, a guy who has said the election was stolen from him without any credible evidence. Kind of hypocritical, right?
Trump IS corrupt and immoral. Just because he hasn’t been found guilty…yet doesn’t take away from that reality.
Lots of Presidents gets ‘results’. Obama got plenty for his base. My guess is you still didn’t vote for him. And he didn’t lie out of his mouth every second of the day or use Twitter like a teenager who is angry at the world.
No. The fact that the organization is not a non-partisan source does enter into this but the argument is their reasons do not support their conclusions. Do you believe everything the legacy media tells you even though they have been proved wrong on so many things they have claimed against Trump? I believe in evidence and reason. So I’d appreciate it if you didn’t make ridiculous absolute comments like that. And there is evidence the election wasn’t on the level. None of it was thrown out. It just wasn’t heard for standing. Which is not judging the level of evidence. I do believe he legitimately lost. But he’s not wrong when he speaks of weird anomalies going on. I just don’t think those things are what cost him the election.
You don’t know how corrupt or immoral Trump is. That is just a guess on your part because there is no proof. Maybe there is just as much foggy evidence as there was that he had the election stolen from him and because you hate him so you choose to believe THAT but not the other. Let’s try and be realistic here. I would argue there is a whole lot more linking Biden to immorality and corruptness than there ever was for Trump. Does anyone not think it’s likely that the “Big Guy” was Joe?
I guess “results” depends on one’s personal definition. But things sure did improve across the board during Trump’s administration than Obama’s, that’s for sure. BTW… I liked Obama a lot more in his first term than his 2nd. His 2nd he became amazingly divisive and a lot more deceitful. But you have to give him credit for one thing… He warned us all not to “Underestimate Biden’s ability to f**k things up.”
Lol there is tons of evidence to show how corrupt and immoral Trump is. This is a guy who ran a fake university and had to settle his claims before he became President.
He was busted for trying to pay off a porn star with campaign money he had an affair with and then tried to cover it up which his own lawyer actually went to prison for. How much more proof do you need with that lol. Is that NOT corrupt and immoral enough l for you? Did he need to kill her too? My guess even then you would still excuse his behavior.
My god he tried to overturn an election man. He tried on January 6 and months before that. He was impeached the FIRST time trying to blackmail a country to start an investigation on his opponent. Trump is as corrupt as they come and it’s sickening people like you try to shrug it off like it’s no big deal or worse it never happened even with all the proof out there.
You’re just a Trump supporter who will and HAS denied every misdeed and action Trump has caused. Look at this board. You could be Trump’s press secretary lol. What’s more funny is his last press secretary has come out and said Trump is in fact corrupt and immoral working with him and she was hired to speak for the guy.
Should I not listen to people in his own administration who says that either? Or just listen to sad deniers and Uber-fans like you? Because it’s a long line of those people too.
Trump is a disgusting and disgraceful POS who only cares about himself! It’s sick this doofus was ever President of anything much less a country.
Oh, sorry. I see the confusion. You must have not been watching the news on January 6 2020. Trump told his supporters to storm the Capitol to stop the votes from being certified. It was crazy.
Trump never said that. I bet you believe the “drinking bleach” BS too.
How sad. Rethink your sources.
Perhaps not in those exact words, but the implication was more than clear. I suggest you read the transcript of his entire speech: https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-capitol-siege-media-e79eb5164613d6718e9f4502eb471f27
On more than one occasion does he mentions “fighting like hell,” “walking down Pennsylvania Ave to the Capitol,” and urging Mike Pence to “do the right thing.”
Anyone at that rally knew exactly what Trump wanted them to do.
As for the bleach thing, no he didn’t straight up say people should drink bleach, but his comments where nonetheless completely eye-roll worthy:
Exactly. “not in those exact words”. Which means, he didn’t do it nor did he seriously imply it. It’s just lame stuff people love to still try and attribute to him. “Fighting like hell” is hyperbole EVERY politician says! It doesn’t literally mean grab a stick and vandalize your nearest federal building. That’s a tremendous stretch. Everyone knew what Trump ways saying. To peaceably march to the capitol and make your voices heard. Those were his words. It’s mindboggling to most clear thinking folks it could mean anything otherwise. “Doing the right thing” was not egging people on. He was just hoping Pence wouldn’t certify the election. Those words, again, are words used by politicians and even people in court.
And at least you admit he never suggested drinking bleach. That sets you apart from the majority of his bashers. I admit often his comments are eye-rolling. The fact is he does speak his own language somewhat. He shouldn’t be doing that as President but he did. I was never a fan but his stronger supporters liked it. I didn’t like it because it was those kinds of comments that people loved to latch on to and presume what he was meaning even when it was obvious that was not what he meant. That is a flaw of his. It’s been said he’s a hammer in search of a nail verbally. Sometimes he doesn’t strike a nail. But a lot of times he hits it square.
I wrote this above, but I’ll repeat it here, if you truly don’t think that Trump’s words didn’t egg on his supporters you are either delusional or willfully ignorant.
And Trump is the first president in modern history to implore his VP to not certify an election that he unequivocally lost.
He knows it did. He will just defend the POS Trump until he’s blue in the face anyway. As Trump would say, SAD!
Trump belongs in prison for causing that. He waited 3 hours to call anyone as it went on while his fat ass sat in front of the TV watching it. People died that day because of this moron and his nut wing base.
If Trump caused that then Bernie Sanders needs to be rotting in jail for causing James Hodgkinson to open fire on the Congressional baseball game. He was a left win activist who claimed Bernie Sanders urged the action.
Well, you are wrong and his own words prove you wrong. He NEVER egged anyone on to storm the capital. Not even close. Not even inferring it. He said to “peaceably march to the Capitol and make our voices heard.” Anyone who reads that as “Go to the Capitol, ransack the building and take over the Government” are the delusional or willfully ignorant ones.
And yes. Trump did want Pence to do that. Sure. Wrong move. Not good. But that doesn’t = telling people to storm the building. Presidents have often made mistakes. Trump isn’t perfect. He does let his ego get in the way of things. But come on… That’s the best you got?
I’m leaning toward delusional at this point. If you were willfully ignorant you’d display at least display some level of irony in your statements.
I bet you believe all those people at the Capitol on Jan 6, 2021 where just peaceful protestors?
Nope. I do not. That is what the media called those involved in all those riots the last two years. What happened on 1/6 was definitely NOT peaceful. It was horrid. That said I also found the riots of the year before to be much worse. But that doesn’t mean 1/6 was fine. It absolutely was NOT.
Discovery has been “woke” from the get go. But casting Abrams was definitely a “In case you didn’t know, here’s the side we’re on” moment. They certainly know how controversial she is and don’t care.
And of course… If some other failed gubernatorial candidate was a fan and wanted to be on the show, Larry Elder for example…. I’m sure everyone would be totally fine with him coming on for a cameo. Right?
I’ve noticed a correlation between Trump supporters and Disco haters. Always fascinating how representation triggers you all. I often wonder what show you think you’re watching.
Now, now — I hated the first three seasons of the show and could not be termed a Trump supporter in any form or fashion. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to dislike those first three seasons; I know it’s convenient for some of you to think that it can only be due to racism, sexism, or homophobia, but that’s a failure of imagination on your part. (Which is not to say that anti-Discovery sentiment doesn’t have a lot of those elements; it does, sadly.)
For my part, I didn’t care for the Stacey Abrams cameo, at least partially because of the fact that it meant I was going to encounter lots of idiotic comments about it. I like her personally, though, and I think it’s cool for her that she got to do it; I’m just not sure it was the wisest use of that space the show could have made. It’s both on the nose and cheesy. Which, to be fair, Star Trek often is, so I can’t argue that it was all *that* out of place.
First, I was replying to CarsonH, who obviously is a Trump supporter. Secondly, I said I noticed a correlation. I did not say that ALL Disco haters are Trump supporters, only they tend to be from observing your online behavior.
Hate to break it to you, but Star Trek is a PROGRESSIVE show.
Your beef with the show is that is precisely because it addresses racism, sexism and homophobia, ie. woke, through the lens of sci-fi. Star Trek has already been that show. I suspect you are just here for the military rankings and the explosions.
Are you referring to CarsonH again? Because Bryant’s take is entirely reasonable to me.
There is nothing in CarsonH’s post to suggest “Trump supporter”.
It is not unreasonable to NOT want to see politicians show up on a Trek show. No matter what side one is on politically. It’s an ironic thing to do when they were preaching being unified when that action is a divisive one itself.
I have to agree. When the now King of Jordan cameoed on Voyager, it was as a crewman, not a space emperor. The audacity of presenting an active politician as president of Earth is not a good look IMO, and I say that as someone who likes Abrams and is happy her inner fan girl got to act in Star Trek. It’s such an overt and typically clumsy political statement that brings real world political divisions to the forefront again. I’m not saying they don’t have a right to offer a middle finger to their Conservative critics if that’s their choice, and it’s ballsy to do it this way, but it was also childish as hell.
And to be fair I myself would not want to see someone from the opposite side of Abrams showing up as the President of Earth. It’s really bad form. I agree that if she really wanted to be on the show she should have been a crewman of some other background character.
It just seems like something that’s beneath Star Trek, debasing itself in our very real and worldly elections so blatantly. She’s the president of the frickin’ Earth! I don’t blame her for being flattered and living out her dream in more ways than one, but it’s kinda tacky to take on that part. Even SNL never has political candidates in skits where they are already holding the office they aspired to.
Nope, quite the opposite. But you go on believing whatever you need to to get you through the day, I guess.
I agree! Complete disappointment. Please let us enjoy our shows without Political BS.
So as a U.K. citizen I had no idea who this actor was (playing President of Earth).
I googled as I thought the acting was off and something didn’t feel right for such a great moment of Earth coming back into the federation.
As it turns out – this person is a governor and fan – but does that make it the right choice for the role.
For me, the episode at this point took a huge nose dive and failed to connect with international audiences.
Sorry for those who enjoyed her performance but for me it was a swing and miss moment.
Me too! I expected to see a well known Star Trek character as special guest or someone earlier seen in Disco being promoted, because the scene looked like it was meant to be special. Just like Kirk or Spock appearing in TMP the first time on the bridge. Then I was confused because I had no clue who that was. So, for international viewers that scene had no meaning.
An AWWWEEESome Season Finale. I so enjoyed the “surprising” Stacey Abrams as President of Earth. Well Done. On to Next year.
Breathtaking. I can’t believe they’ve been able to top themselves year over year.
Another very disappointing season finale… again. I will say that it was a very welcomed surprise cameo of Stacey Abrams.
I tried. I really tried. I’m sure some will consider me a “hater,” but I haven’t stuck with this to hate. I’ve been hoping. But there was about enough story for a two-parter here, and they made a whole season of it. (This is not a problem unique to this series, of course.) Tarka did pretty much the same thing in every episode, most of the characters are undifferentiated, and while Reno is at least interestingly acerbic among a group where they seem to be competing over who can be most sincere, her glib cracks while the fate of humanity is allegedly hanging in the balance finally wore me out. The resolution with 10-C basically boiled down to “Please don’t kill us, we don’t like being killed” and 10-C responding “Oh, so sorry, didn’t realize I was doing it.”
Also, I’m sorry to report that April Nocifora recently lost her battle with cancer.
Where are you seeing that? All of her online profiles (LinkedIn, Instagram, etc.) are still active with no mention of her passing.
Truly a beautiful end! My heart stopped when Michael ordered Detmer to pilot the shuttle. And I cried with SMG on the loss of Book and cried again when they hugged! And overjoyed on the conclusion of the 10-C storyline. This is Star Trek. This is what hope looks like. Well Done Discovery! You’ve earned a whole season on Risa!
As I wrote at the beginning of this season, Booker’s arc could have been a really interesting way into talking about genocide. Simply, they failed.
More accurately, they failed to develop the topic you would prefer.
Did you even think about what he went through and what that says about genocide survivors? And how casually and simply his actions were depicted? Yes you did think about that, but obviously you don’t even realize it.
Here’s what I actually think about. The US Holocaust Memorial Museum defines genocide as “an internationally recognized crime where acts are committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group.” Since Species10-C’s destruction was unwitting, it was not genocidal.
The legal definition of genocide has nothing to do with the story of survivors, and how that much death impacts their life. Book certainly didn’t know or believe it was unwitting.
Fair enough, but you’ve changed your initial criticism about the writers overlooking genocide to their not choosing to explore deeply survivor guilt or trauma. They chose instead to explore the dangers of ill-informed and precipitous reactions, which is reasonable enough since it sets up Trek’s primary ethic. So I repeat my first observation that your objection seems to be their “failure” to tell the story you wanted. Peace!
Haters got to hate
I’m hardly a hater. There’s episodes I’ve liked. But re-identifying what they introduced in the first and second episodes as sad trope that has infused a lot of media.
I’d argue that Book has more in common with disaster survivors than survivors of genocide; more like a guy whose entire city got wiped out by a tsunami or something.
Good point! Not what I thought, but makes a bit of sense. In that case, it would have been good to see other survivors, or know about them. Even some of their opinions.
I do think there’s an entire other direction the season could have taken in which the show was more about that, or indeed about the genocide parallels you mention. That might have even been a better direction, who knows? But I liked what they did, more or less; it got bogged down with some of the mechanics of Tarka’s plot, but I’ll take it over a crying Kelpien any day of the week.
LOL, I liked that – he’s just a Q waiting to happen. :)
I’m curious how people here grade Discover after four seasons.
This is where I stand, breaking down seasons by major plot threads and overall quality:
Season 1
The Klingon war: F
Lorca stealing the Discovery: F
Emperor Georgiou in the Mirror Universe: C
Overall grade for the season: D
Season 2:
Captain Pike, Spock, Number One, and the Enterprise: B+
The Red Angel mystery: C+
Skynet in Space threatening to destroy all life: D
Overall grade for the season: C
Season 3:
Burnham and Book’s meeting and love story: B
Discovery adjusts to the future: B-
Emperor Georgiou returns to the Mirror Universe: C
The mystery of The Burn: C-
Overall grade for the season: C
Season 4:
The mystery of the what the DMA is: B
The search for Species 10C and how to communicate with them: B
Tarka tries to kill billions of people to fix his love life: D
People, ships, cats, aliens, etc. stop the episodes to share their feelings: D
Overall grade for the season: C
I don’t have a ranking system like that but, I have them ranked as best to worst. I’ll share mine:
1. DS9
2. TOS/TAS
3. Disco
4. VOY
5. LD
6. TNG
7. ENT
Pic/Prod are the 2 I haven’t ranked yet.
1. DS9
2. TNG
3. ENT
4. TOS/TAS
5. VOY
6. LD
7. Prod.
8. Pic
9. Dsc
thats probably my picks 🤔
Oh I like lists!
1. TNG/DS9
2. VOY
3. TOS
4. ENT
5. LD
6. PRO
7. TAS
8. PIC
9. DIS
1. DS9
2. VOY
3. DIS
4. LD
5. TNG
6. TOS
7. PIC
8. ENT.
I will reserve judgement for Prodigy until the end of the first series but it’s goodZ
Also…. TNG might seem low to some. All of 1 – 5 are much loved by me and it was tricky putting them in rank order.
TOS
TNG
VOY
ENT
TAS
DS9
I can’t — or won’t — rank any of the others until they’re finished. But I’ll grade DSC seasons: 1=D, 2=C, 3=C, 4=B. And hey, why not: PIC1=F, LWR1=A, LWR2=A.
My turn:
DS9
TNG
VOY
TOS
ENT
PRO
LDS
DIS
PIC
TAS
Both PRO and PIC can change by the end of their current seasons.
My grades: C, B, C, C for Seasons 1-4. I’ll keep watching and have high hopes for Strange New Worlds.
For me, Season 1 was highly flawed but it showed promise. I had hoped it would improve with Season 2. Season 2 did show improvement but unfortunately most of that came with Pike and Spock. So when they left for Season 3, the show went right back to its old ways. That’s when I stopped watching.
From what little i’ve seen of Season 4, it doesn’t seem its improved. That said, i’m very glad there’s a lot of people enjoying it. I am always happy to see a Star Trek show thriving.
Without commonly agreed upon criteria, this survey won’t yield reliable or verifiable results. As an exercise in comparing subjective opinions, why not? Since I prefer creativity, being surprised, encountering interesting ideas, a vision that promotes our common humanity, I rate all Trek series high despite flaws and clunkers in all of them.
It is not a survey; I was just curious how others felt about Discovery’s overall quality after four seasons.
Season 1
The Klingon war: F
Lorca stealing the Discovery: F
Emperor Georgiou in the Mirror Universe: C
Overall grade for the season: D
Season 2:
Captain Pike, Spock, Number One, and the Enterprise: C+
The Red Angel mystery: F
Skynet in Space threatening to destroy all life: F
Overall grade for the season: D-
Season 3:
Burnham and Book’s meeting and love story: F
Discovery adjusts to the future: B
Emperor Georgiou returns to the Mirror Universe: F
The mystery of The Burn: F
Overall grade for the season: D-
Didn’t bother to watch season 4 after that 😁
Why are you even here? 🤔
Anyway, mine is:
Season 1, Part 1: B
Season 1, Part 2: B+
Season 2, Part 1: A-
Season 2, Part 2: A
Season 3, Part 1: A-
Season 3, Part 2: B
Season 4, Part 1: B-
Season 4: Part 2: B+
Also, here’s the show ranking:
1. Voyager
2. Lower Decks
3. Discovery
4. Deep Space 9
(The Orville would go here.)
5. Prodigy
6. Picard
7. TNG
8. Enterprise
9. TOS
10. TAS
Man, respect to your opinions I guess, but you reveal your age with this one. TNG is SEVENTH?! The fact that you have Voyager and the new stuff all above everything else — and TOS / TAS at the very bottom — tells me you’re probably born in the ’90s.
Frankly, I get the hate for TOS. Awful show. Really hoping Season 2 of SNW gives us Kirk as Captain and they just completely overwrite it.
Enterprise is eighth on their list though. So I don’t think it has anything to with ‘new’ stuff but just their overall opinion on the shows.
You weren’t being overbearing about it but yeah fans will just have wildly different views from others, especially as younger people become fans and all the new shows being added today. We’re not a monolith.
And I think it’s cool Voyager is first on their list even if it’s not on mine!
But I’ll fight anyone if DS9 is last on their list though! 😆
Tarka trying to kill billions isn’t something the show was saying was a good thing. So, I think it’s one thing to give Tarka a D for that, but the grade for the show would be different, since they didn’t endorse his actions.
DSC season grades:
1: B (standouts: Choose Your Pain, Lethe, Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Bad)
2: B (standouts: The Sound of Thunder, If Memory Serves, Through the Valley of Shadows)
3: A- (standouts: Forget Me Not, Unification III, There is a Tide…)
4: A (standouts: But to Connect…, Rosetta, Coming Home)
Series rankings:
DS9
TNG
PIC
DSC
PRO
TOS/TAS
LDS
STS
ENT
VOY
I’m impressed you can remember the names of Disco episodes. Without being put onscreen in the episode, it’s hard for me to recall many of them, but I’ve also never rewatched an episode.
Contrast that to my being able to tell you the name of an episode of Berman Trek, even Voyager and maybe Enterprise, just by hearing any random 30 seconds of it. The nerdiest party trick I could have.
Even though DS9’s my favorite, it took years for those episode titles to bore into my brain. I suppose because I mostly watched those episodes in first run, then maybe once or twice since, until years later when I’d do full rewatches and read the Companion. TOS and TNG were much more stuck in my head because I started watching in 1991, when TOS reruns played over and over and TNG was just getting into syndication, so it was a nightly at 7pm habit for me, plus I had the companions for both shows, as well as the Nitpicker’s guides.
For the new shows, I’ve actually been writing reviews of them since the first episode of Discovery. So, that often means rewatching it one or two times. Plus, it usually takes my partner months before she’ll want to watch them with me, so I’ll rewatch them again, then.
Though, I’ll admit that I did have to look up “The Sound of Thunder,” for the title.
I can’t do that for the Berman shows save for some of Enterprise. But I CAN do that for all the TOS and TAS shows.
I must admit, after panning episodes 9-11, the two part season finale was pretty satisfying Star Trek and good science fiction. In fact, I think these last two episodes probably saved the season.
Overall I would give Discovery S4 a B-. It would have been a B+ if they didnt drag things out with useless filler for three episodes before the last two episodes!
IMHO, the show has FINALLY found its niche. For a whole lot of reasons, Discovery will never be everyone’s cup of tea – in fact I am more likely to gravitate to Picard and SNW, but I must agree with others that taking the show to the 32nd century was a very good move!
And even though I am much more intrigued with other shows like SNW, I am still curious about Discovery S5!
That was suppose to be Earth but it sure didn’t look like Earth based on the land mass we see them zoom out to at the end. Unless Africa and Europe combined in those 900 years.
As a professional cartographer I feel I can say this with experience. Their scale was WAY off.
Didn’t TNG mention something about draining the Mediterranean?
Wait…. T’Rina had the ability to communicate telepathically with the 10-C all along? Why didn’t they try this the moment they arrived to the hyperfield like 4 episodes ago??? 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
I also thought that was very odd.
It’s probably a last resort kind of thing. That kind of thing has been shown to be pretty dangerous with unknown life, as with Spock in The Motion Picture.
Do you mean apart from the fact that Booker got locked out of his OWN ship and an irrelevant non-federation officer was able to bypass Disco’s security codes …also this whole story was hardly 3 episodes worthy?
For all the problems Star Trek Discovery has had… Bad writing. Bad characters. Unearned emotion. Bad production design. Mediocre actors. One complaint I have never made of it was ‘boring’. Well… Give it enough time and… Yes. This episode was monumentally dull. Star Trek Discovery going for all the terrible adjectives they can, it seems.
PS… Something that was bugging me throughout. Why is it “United” Earth? Why not just Earth? Kirk never called it “United Earth.” Nor did Picard. Presumably Earth has been united in some way in their time. So why the change? Wouldn’t it make more sense to call it “United Na’var”? Since Vulcans and Romulans have ACTUALLY united?
“United Earth” has been the name of Earth’s government since TOS (e.g., United Earth Space Probe Agency).
But that is the agency. Not the planet. No one has ever referred to Earth as “United Earth”.
From Memory Alpha:
“United Earth was first referenced in TOS: “The Corbomite Maneuver”, when Captain Kirk refers to the USS Enterprise as a “United Earth ship”, upon hailing the Fesarius.”
That was referencing the Space Agency. UESPA. But that is not the name of the planet. It was always called just plain old Earth.
Earth is still the name of the planet. United Earth is the name of the planet’s government.
No different from how the Klingons are the Klingon Empire, but their homeworld is Kronos.
I find little difference in saying the President of Earth vs the President of United Earth. The first is better because it implies all the planet has agreed to a government with this position as the top executive. If you are saying President of “United Earth” it implies the Earth is not entirely united. That perhaps only 70% of the states are behind this so they cannot claim the entire Earth. Only those who opted into this “United” Earth thing.
See? I can infer too.
Possibly United Earth succeeded the United Nations after World War III? We have a Secretary General of the United Nations, not a Secretary General of Nations, or Secretary General of Earth.
Possibly. But I think how it was presented implied the Earth was 100% unified. Which again calls out my original question.
Bad production design?! If there is one thing that DISCO is good at- its look and feel are amazing. It’s almost cinematic
The USS Discovery was from Pike’s time frame yet it looked like it was 80 years after Picard.
I know they underwent a “refit” when they moved to their future. Yet that “refit” didn’t change the interior sets all that much at all. So it was still bad PD.
It’s always been United Earth. Aside from UESPA, there were references to United Earth in Enterprise. It was literally the government that birthed Starfleet. They even had a United Earth emblem in the episode “Home,” which itself was based on a design on a cup in “Where No Man Has Gone Before.”
No one on Enterprise referred to Earth as “United Earth”. UESPA is an organization. Not the planet.
[Spoilers for Enterprise]
In the episode where Admiral Forrest is killed on Vulcan, it begins with a shot of Earth’s embassy on Vulcan clearly labeled “United Earth Embassy.”
Since that is the one and only time it might be inferred to mean that could be the new name for the entire planet, it stands to reason that given all the many other times the planet was just called “Earth” that the name merely references the fact that the embassy is planetary rather than composing of representatives from individual states.
It’s not the name of the entire planet, it’s the name of the governing body of the planet. It’s rarely been used or heard of in previous Treks (save for maybe ENT) because Earth and the Federation have almost always been synonymous.
I have never thought Earth and the Federation was synonymous in any way shape or form. It’s like saying France is synonymous with NATO. It’s not. The Federation is the United Federation of Planets. Not just one planet.
Good for you for never thinking of Earth and the Federation as synonymous, but even within Trek lore, Earth and the Federation (up until the 31st Century after the burn) were often times portrayed as one in the same. In The Undiscovered Country Gorkin’s daughter straight up accuses the Federation of being a homo sapiens’ only club.
That comment doesn’t mean Earth and the Federation are synonymous. Not at all. It’s propaganda one side plays to their citizens to demonize the other side. I always felt that was kinda obvious. And I don’t recall any instance where the UFP and the Earth were one in the same.
In the season 4 episode “The Forge,” it begins with a shot of Earth’s embassy on Vulcan clearly labeled “United Earth Embassy.”
Aside from the United Earth embassy on Vulcan (which literally says “UNITED EARTH EMBASSY” in big bold letters right on the front) in the Forge trilogy, and Minister Nathan Samuels speaking on behalf of United Earth in “Demons”/”Terra Prime,” in TOS “The Corbomite Maneuver” and “Tomorrow is Yesterday” specifically reference “United Earth” in dialogue. In TNG “Encounter at Farpoint” references United Earth.
Even if the specific name was never said spoken dialogue in ENT, it’s clearly the name for that government.
Yeah, no. It was never clearly the name of the government. UESPA was just an inter-state agency. That’s all that can be reasonably inferred from the name.
This season was, at best, 5-6 episodes of story spread across 13.
If they were going to do 13 episodes, there were potentially interesting aspects that could have been explored about this. (e.g., how does the DMA change the balance of power in the Alpha/Beta Quadrants in a galaxy still recovering from The Burn? How do people and the Star Trek governments react to the potential of sudden unpredictable destruction that they have no ability to predict or control?)
But the show isn’t really interested in exploring those type of questions except on a surface level. It wants more Book-Burnham drama and relationship issues among the characters. The entire Book-Tarka was done badly, and only added in to give Michael personal stakes.
Sounds like it was nauseating; more emotional sludge from Michelle Paradise, possibly the worst Trek writer ever.
You clearly didn’t watch it so this is just trolling.
The author flat out said it wasn’t watched and formed the opinion based on what people were writing about it. Not really trolling.
Referring to Michelle Paradise as “possibly the worst Trek writer ever,” while simultaneously admitting to having not watched at least this episode is, at best, borderline trolling.
I’ll concede borderline trolling at worst.
It may not have been the most exciting season finale of Star Trek Discovery, but at least it tied everything up in a neat little bow. I’m glad Tarka is gone. Book and Ndoye got off way too easily for their crimes, but I’ll admit that I’m glad Book is still alive. I also loved that President Rillak mentioned the Borg, which means they are still out there in the 32nd century and will hopefully appear on Discovery. Also kudos to Earth for rejoining the federation and to T’Rina who will undoubtedly be melding with more than Saru’s mind.
I was actually pleasantly surprised by Book’s punishment, as I was afraid he’d get off scot free for finally stopping Tarka. It also shows a certain amount of enlightenment that the Federation has when it comes to crime and punishment.
On the flip side, I think Ndoye got off way to easily. As a government official she straight up committed treason. I’m not saying she should be locked away for life or anything, but at least a demotion was in order.
After a boring season due to its slooooooooow pace and a lot of fillers,
a satisfying finale, including episode 12 and half of episode 11. These 3 episodes would have made an excellent tv-feature film and saved the season. Finally something in the spirit of Trek, encountering (close) a very alien species (of the 3rd) kind. I did have some TMP vibes what I would love to see in a Star Trek movie, and of course a lot of vibes from Arrival.
I hope season 5 will be very different the way they tell the plot. Please no more 2 hours stretched to 13 episodes!!
They could have also spared the last 5 minutes when it came too emotional. Beside that, a nice was to conclude the season. I was very pleased and emotionally moved, but it was a bit too long at the end.
The special appearence of earth president left me clueless. I was expecting to see a legacy character as a very special guest. Maybe the Holo-Doc? Daniels from ENT? Or Kovich becoming earth president? Maybe that apperance meant something for american viewers, but as an international viewer from outside I didn’t get that scene.
Yeah, the Earth President was a real life American politician that is friends with the production and had done voting videos with some of the cast.
No, I am not trying to make this incendiary. Just stating a fact the producers themselves admitted in an interview I read on another site.
Many Americans viewers understood it perfectly well. And found it amazingly ironic considering the message of being unified that was being hammered over our heads.
Yes, many of us American viewers did understand it quite well, and found the message to be quite hopefully and unifying.
And not ironic at all coming from someone who has fostered quite a bit of division?
If you consider championing voting rights as divisive, then it certainly is ironic, though not for the reasons you think.
No one is against voting rights. That is not the reason she is divisive. She is divisive because she has been championing divisive policies. And among the voting issues she wishes to end are things that the majority of the country, including a majority of her own ethnicity, are in favor of.
One thing in the plot bothered me:
After the Romulus-catastrophe, haven’t they learned how to make it possible to evacuate a planet in case the same happens again?
They probably did but the Federation was functionally hobbled by the Burn and the scarcity of dilithium. They probably didn’t the resources to mount a planetary evacuation (let alone TWO) so soon after finding the dilithium planet.
There is simply no realistic way of evacuating several billion people in a short period of time. Let’s assume a population of 10 billion. Let’s be generous and assume you can cram 50,000 people onto one ship. That means you need 200,000 ships each carrying 50,000 people. But, first you would need to get them off-planet onto those ships. That takes time. If you don’t have 200,000 ships you would need to shuttle people somewhere else, offload them there and then return for the next round.
If I remember correctly, there was less than a day between knowing the DMA was headed for Earth and Nivar and its arrival. That simply doesn’t work.
After my posting I remembered the Burn which crippled the fleet and came the conclusion that they didn’t have enough time and resources to rebuilt it.
On the other hand, being so far away in the future, you would expect to find so advanced and fantastic technology that would make possible to evacuate so many people. whole planet. What happened to wormholes, transwarp-beaming and so on? And to that technology we saw in PIC season 1?
Aw. And they all lived happily ever after. Is this the last episode of the show? I hope so.
Also, how did they go from only being able to communicate single ideas through numerical equations in the last episode, to just chatting away as normal to the 10-C at the end of this episode? Did I miss something? How did that happen?
I’m loathe to defend this train wreck but while that was a complaint I had in the last episode the fact is this is a show and they just cannot spend lots of time working out the means of communication. That is something that would just take a ton of time. Time they didn’t have because of the stakes they created and as dull as the finale was it would have been a lot duller if they spent lots of time working on the communication issues. They touched on the complexity of it. Made a number of assumptions that ended up being correct. And on they went.
Aaaaaand they fell at the last hurdle.
Back to explosions, back to crying and drawn out over emotional scenes and outbursts, back to Tilly and her annoying quirks/ditherings. Most of this feels pointless. I actually liked most of this season, as it did have some resemblance now and then to Star Trek (plus, actually like the new fleet they developed for the 32nd Century/there’s actual cohesion in the designs). But they reverted to the same old shlock at the end. Ah well, Discovery, at least you stayed true to yourself.
Hmm I found that a bit boring. Loved the overall idea. Working out the motivations, learning to communicate – that felt very Star Trek to me, almost V’Ger like but really the last three episodes felt like one episode padded out.
I’ve kind of come to the conclusion that Discovery is never going to be the Star Trek series I really enjoy. I’ve given it a chance but it’s not one I’ll rewatch. I find it far too emotional, sometimes an episode can be motoring along and then we get a sudden screeching halt to explore how someone is feeling in that moment and that isn’t for me. Honestly it feels like a ship full of Barclays at times.
Season review: some really good Star Trek moments hidden among the crying and hugging. Overall: Meh
It wasn’t perfect, but I think this is probably the strongest finale they’ve had. A very Star Trek-y end and wrapped things up mostly satisfyingly.
I think the species 10-C worked great, a bit of V’ger TMP new life and new civilizations!!! Easily the best part of the show, an alien race allowed to be different!
The Federation revival though I think has been a huge missed opportunity. Turns out everyone left the UFP and there was absolutely nothing to learn or fix. For writers that try to come up with insane mirror evil UFPs, they had the chance to do a more realistic actual UFP in need of reform and tolerating diversity and discussions on sovereignty and never really built an arc around it. Did the UFP go too authoritarian that everyone left due to all the wars? Was it necessary? Were all the races just made too lazy to explore space by holodecks? Were they tired of fighting wars? Are they now anti-exploration and feel they need to focus on themselves (how many people complain about NASA money not being used to help the poor despite technology shifting everything forward).
I think had this Federation debate being going on while 10-C was doing its thing would have been a more exciting season. A little sad they didn’t have more “we must work together!” during the crisis. Reminds me of the missed opportunity that was Enterprise honestly.
I understand your point. I think the idea that suddenly, with no reason, Earth… Check that… “United Earth” (I guess that’s the official name of the planet in the 32nd century for some unknown reason) suddenly wants to join the UFP again? No talks, no vetting, no nothing? Just, we are ready to reenter the fold right here right now? Makes no sense whatsoever.
The way I see it, the Earth was about to be destroyed by some alien mining equipment. The Federation swooped in and saved them. The Feds even began helping with the evacuation when things weren’t looking so good. So out of an abundance of gratitude, the Earth decided to rejoin the Federation in this post burn galaxy.
And that shows an amazing lack of professionalism, foresight or common sense. If someone you once knew and aren’t on good terms with any longer pushes you out of the way of an oncoming car do you suddenly decide to buddy up with that person again? It could cause you to rethink your position but you shouldn’t be inviting them to dinner that night or having beers at ballgames again as if nothing has happened.
United Earth is not the name of the planet. It’s the name of the government of the planet.
Then why does everyone call it Earth up until now? Since this government obviously does not include the entire planet then it seems like the President of “United” Earth is overstepping when saying Earth is ready to join the Federation. That would mean only the governments that have opted into the “United” Earth government are good with it. What, do the others have no say in the fate of their planet? Does United Earth rule over even those who are not a part of it? Something feels wrong with all that.
Where are you getting that the United Earth government doesn’t include all of Earth? That’s like saying the United States of America doesn’t include all of States.
Not so. But even the United Nations doesn’t include everyone. If it did include all it seems reasonable that they would just say “Earth” rather than “United Earth”. It’s 3 fewer syllables, that’s the name of the planet and if it does include every single state then it encompasses everyone on Earth. So again, no need. Especially so since no one in Star Trek has ever referred to the planet as “United Earth”.
Earth has been referred to as United Earth in the past, as pointed out by a plethora of people above. You’re really just looking for a reason to criticize at this point, and really weird one at that.
No, it hasn’t been. As pointed out above, that was not the name of the planet but rather an inter-state agency. I just asked a question why on this show they made a point to call the Earth “United” Earth. As if the planet’s name officially changed for some reason. It’s a legitimate question and one that has yet to be satisfactorily answered.
I just found it an odd change. Weird that the question triggers you like that.
The name of Earth didn’t change, whenever anyone refers to United Earth its the government of Earth.
And, FYI, not sure where you’re getting that I’m triggered, just a bit confused by your stance on this completely unimportant issue.
Just feels like a missed opportunity. You have this ship from the past finding the Federation in tatters, people lamenting the lost dream. Then they find the Federation and turns out, nope, it’s all good (?!?!). Just some crazy United Earth, Romulan-Vulcans and Andorian members leaving for no reason.
I don’t see why you wouldn’t have some arc where Michael and the Discovery crew have to bring back some forgotten Federation ideals, some which could come into conflict with the “new Federation” which sees these 23rd century types as naive barbarians.
Maybe the new Federation President is trying to reform but the CinC Starfleet thinks she is naive and will lead to weakness (a reverse TUC) and all she can trust is Discovery being outside the Fleet? And by the end they learn to compromise. Maybe Section 31 had to take control when the galaxy was falling apart? I’m just surprised that the Federation fell, but it was all uh, good?
Could have been some drama there with lessons learned with some real political analogs and controversies to explore (and setting up some action). I really feel that oversimplification has hurt discourse in society for instance that you don’t even need to have it where there is a right and a wrong side, but shades of grey.
I think it’s fair you could have it where after the Borg, Temporal Wars, Dominion War the Federation becomes this monolithic command economy on a war footing where no one really wants to explore the Universe anymore. I mean look at today – people get upset about the space race because shouldn’t the money goto the poor. We’ve also had it so cozy and know our world, the Royal and US Navies aren’t really in the exploration game at all. Accusations of imperialism, etc. Indeed in some ways TNG seemed to have it where the Federation expected all aliens to become as enlightened as the humans on Earth, holodecks. Even Picard in Insurrection was lamenting all he was finding out there was war.
In the defence of the UFP/Starfleet at the type, they were almost conquered by the Borg, Dominion, Klingon wars, temporal wars that made no sense, etc. It had to be all hands on deck and they really tried their hardest to keep some exploration going that no one seemed to care about anymore.
You can see a difference between the UFP of TOS and TNG, in TOS the UFP is more NATO with the humans (US) being heavily active in Starfleet but the Andorians and Tellerites fighting with the Vulcans, etc. A more “diverse” group with more internal sovereignty. In Star Trek IV you have the Vulcan ambassador coming up to fight with the Council as they entertain talking with the Klingons. Just seems more “loose”. Always thought of it was Andorian being “good Klingons”, the Vulcans being the pacifists, the Tellerites being more commercial and the humans in between able to compromise with all. But what if the Alpha Centuarians want to join but they are a matriarchal society, are they allowed in?
In TNG and Discovery you see a more monolithic entity where basically all the planets are pretty in tune and what the President says goes. Then the burn and resource shortages and you see the break up of the Federation when they start deciding how to deal with the scarcity and then it all falls apart. Hell, maybe the UFP decided to buy dilithium from the Klingons instead of Earth to encourage them to join which they then turned around and used for war or something so Earth decided to cut everyone off. Resource conflicts that exposed the need for appreciating diversity. Maybe the UFP came in and decided to nationalize all the dilithium and to put it all into the Starfleet due to the fear of war and Earth and Andorians thought that was too much?
I’m not saying the new Federation should have been evil but maybe have parts of it out of control to put back into place.
Also you would think the independent worlds like Earth, Andor, Ni’Var, all the small colonies would pay more of a price with wars, economic conflicts, a price to pay for not exploring resulting in shortages, etc. This was touched on at first, but the whole concept seemed to fade.
You then can have some Roman style politics in the rebirth where in the end some 23rd century values get relearned. Maybe have it where Starfleet didn’t want them to go exploring when they should have been running away and they relearn the concept.
I don’t know, the Federation rebirth I thought was going to be more Foundation/Dune keeping things exciting instead of a race to normalcy.
I partly agree. I do think Discovery should have spent a lot more time in rebuilding the Federation. We saw that briefly at the end of last season and the beginning of this one before the DMA story took over. We also were given hints throughout last season (and also a bit of this season) that the Federation pre-Burn was not on the best of terms with all of it’s members (specifically Ni’Var and Alshain IV – the planet with the butterfly people from the first episode of Season 4). Unfortunately, albeit not entirely surprising, the show runners definitely bit off more than they could chew with what a post-Burn Federation would look like.
At the same time (and to play my own devil’s advocate), it would make sense that if some/most planets left the Federation simply because of an inability to travel, when that ability came back they’d be more than happy to return.
I would say this is by far Discovery’s best season finale, and the season felt more coherent, even if the run-up to the finale was too thin to carry the full season. The big difference with this season is that they obviously knew where they were going from the beginning, that wasn’t the case at all with previous seasons (at least it appears that way). I doubt Season 3 writing began with them knowing that the burn was caused by the scream of a child. This season had a fairly satisfying arc, even if it was hardly suspenseful or engaging. You can also see where the season’s budget went, it’s all in this episode and the VFX looked (and sounded) brilliant. The return of Tilly again reminded me why this series can’t afford to lose their strongest cast members, she brings so much charisma to a show that is otherwise drab. Her absence doomed the season for me in ways I didn’t expect. Anyway, great finale alongside a phenomenal run of episodes for Picard…good times for Star Trek fans.
And although I adore Stacey Abrams and the way her moment meant the reunification of Earth and the Federation, the moment was a little cringeworthy, perhaps a little too saccharine for me.
BTW, I freaking love the 32nd century ships, more please!
What I don’t get about Earth leaving the Federation in Star Trek Discovery as it pertains to Starfleet is that Starfleet is the military and exploration arm of the United Earth that predates the Federation.
Therefore, shouldn’t Starfleet have left the Federation with the United Earth when they left?
Shouldn’t ALL those Starfleet vessels belong to the United Earth?
No.
Starfleet’s legacy starts with Earth, but every indication seems to be that it becomes a Federation institution after the founding of the Federation, and is the primary defense, diplomatic, and exploration force for all member states.
Every captain says some variation of it during their hails: “This is Captain James T. Kirk of the Federation starship Enterprise…”
I think the 13 episode long arcs need to go. I don’t mind a few 2 to 4 episode arcs, but I would like to see discovery become a little more episodic. There should be a lot to explore in the 32nd century and you can throw a few smaller arcs here and there. This was the first season I actually fell asleep during an episode… I think it was episode nine or 10, I can’t remember.
The same happened me too on episode 10! I fell asleep… One problem of the “modern” episodes long arc is keeping the old way of watching it. Most modern shows can be binged watched. But not Disco unless you wait 13 weeks. That wouldn’t improve the plot but maybe it would have been less boring.
I thought the episode was terrible. No especially hard choices had to be made. A few sentences were enough to persuade 10C to completely change their way of life. Impossible situations were simply resolved. Even an apparent death lasted no more than 10 minutes.
Every situation is easy if there are no tough calls to be made. Most of Michael’s lines this episode and season were variations of “Tell the team I want this problem solved” — you really need a captain to tell you that?
A wonderful finale to one of the best seasons of Discovery yet.
While I was initially unsettled by the inclusion of Stacy Abrams, because, as others have mentioned, and has clearly transpired in the comment section, it super charged a debate that’s largely separate from the story and meaning of the entire episode/season, I applaud the Discovery production for having made the choice nonetheless. What I do find more disappointing is not only the comments of others, but the author: ANTHONY PASCALE’s derogatorily classifying a cameo that lasted barely two minutes as “stunt casting”.
On other matters, I personally enjoyed the decision for the final closing image of the planet earth to not represented by the standard north-south view on the America’s. Bravo to the Discovery production for continuing to make their own choices this season. Continue the tradition of holding a mirror to society, with all forms of advocacy no matter how uncomfortable it makes some people, myself included.
I love Discovery and really enjoyed the ending to season 4. At times it reminded me of the sense of wonder that they were even trying for in Star Trek: The Motion Picture, but were never quite able to get to successfully. I even thought I heard snippets of the TMP soundtrack at times.
HOWEVER, I will say this…where the heck are the straight white men on this show? Was there some sort of revolution at some point in the future and now they’ve been turned into slaves or something? I have no problem with diversity in Star Trek, I loved DS9 and Voyager, but on DS9 you had characters like O’Brien and Bashir and Voyager you had Tom Paris and Harry Kim, but here you don’t even have a lowly ensign on Disco that is a straight white male.
I kind of lost of when they said “President of Earth” and it was yet another woman who stepped off of that ship…again I have no problem with women in power, but what are the odds that all of the leaders we see are women, with the one exception of Admiral Vance.
It’s a correction for perceived over-representation in the past, I get the sense that Paradise feels it’s her duty to showcase diversity forcefully. So we get Kovich and Vance representing that demographic in the recurring guest cast.
Still, apart from Enterprise and TOS, the specific demo you are looking for isn’t the majority of any of the other casts. I maintain she’s over-correcting and while some casting decisions are laudable, others come across as pandering that does a disservice to the minorities being represented. Representation is the start of everything, but if you don’t back that up with meaningful characterization, then it eventually becomes insulting.
I find the show disappointing same thing every episode just put a large C on Michaels chest ad a cape for super captain able to save the day when no one else can show is extremely predictable the best ending would be that in the beginning when Michael is being transported to prison and the shuttle has an issue that Michael is injured and is in a coma dreaming it all
I liked season 1. Hit and miss, trying new things.. but I enjoyed it. I really loved season 2. It checked all my ST boxes. Can’t wait for ST strange new worlds.
Season 3 and 4 are so dull, boring and mostly so cheesy. Good episodes here and there but overall not exciting one bit.
Im a long time st Fan but Disco has lost me. Besides Saru I don’t care about any of them. The line are cheesy, the crying, the long looks they give each other. There continuel emotion dilemas. The applause and tears each time they suceed a mission ! ST always had that little look and smile but disco is over the top.
Even the direction and SFX. Its so fast all the time… I don’t even find the space shots look that good. And the flame throwers on the bridge for each action scene. Balls of fire shooting out from every vent. my god tell the fire guy to take it easy!
Sorry for ranting. I was hoping for something better after season 3. Im a bit disapointed. Hope Strange new worlds delivers. At least the 3 main characters are very likable and interesting.
Seems that I’m not the only one who
feelssees it that way. I understand the problems most had with S1 and 2 and why they felt a need to change it (and jump into the future). But it were not the plots, not the pace, not the characters. I liked season 1 and mostly S2 a lot.The characters were great, strong and INTERESTING in S1 and S2. Lorca was a badass, Tyler was interesting, Pike was very strong and most-trek-like, even Mirror-Giorgiu was interesting, even she was was very controversial. All these interesting characters left or were reduced drastically like Saru, Culber and Stamets.At least the final 2,5 episodes saved the season and the last episode felt like a series finale.
That’s the opposite of Enterprise. Great season 4 but disappointing (and not real) series finale.
If they really continue with season 5, please make a kind of reboot like S3, but not so soft.
They should get the producers of the new season of PIC.
I see Disco Season 3 and 4 as a different, ANOTHER series as Season 1 and 2 just like I do with Picard Season 1. If I would rank al Star Trek shows, I would split each Disco and Pic and rank them on very different spots.
I’m sorry, but it’s NOT okay with me for any politician to be on Star Trek. As much as I like Stacey Abrams, I do not approve of mixing real-life politicians into the series. It’s just distasteful and distracting. I would feel the same way if they put Trump on the show. It’s just a big NEVER! from me. I think Gene Roddenberry would be rolling in his grave.
It may not have been completely clean, but I think Discovery finally stuck the landing.
The finale itself was mostly satisfying, tying up the various threads from throughout the season and making good on the writers’ promise that the 10-C would be unlike anything we’ve seen in past Trek’s. While the overall conclusion was a bit simple and rushed (the 10-C so easily not just stopping the DMA, but completely abandoning their protective hyper-field), it absolutely made sense within the concept of the story being told. I really, really appreciated the fact that while there was a good amount of action in this episode, none of it devolved into incoherence! If anything, many of the action scenes were integral to the story being told – i.e. pretty much all of the scenes with the Federation trying to evacuate Earth. I especially loved the opening shot of Federation HQ warping to Earth; it took me a moment to figure out what I was looking (at first I thought it had something to do with the 10-C trying to capture Book’s ship), but once I realized it was the entire Federation HQ I may have thrown my fist in the air a little bit ;) The F/X crew definitely worked overtime as this was the first time got a really good look at a number of 32nd Century ships and I’m all for starship porn :)
On the flip side, I really wish we had spent more time (a lot more time) on developing the 10-C – learning more about their history, why they suddenly needed to develop the DMA (I can’t imagine it such a massive anomaly has been floating around the galaxy for a thousands years going unnoticed), etc. In the same vein, I would loved to have seen more time in developing communication b/w the Federation and the 10-C as I found that aspect of “Species 10-C” to be absolutely fascinating.
This brings me to a larger frustration with the season as a whole. While the story that was told was a good and interesting story, it was told at a frustrating pace. I think we easily could have had two episodes just dealing with communication with the 10-C, but instead we had multiple episodes with the Discovery spinning it’s wheels trying to stop Book. The episode right before the mid-season hiatus “…But to Connect” was a big highlight in how it dealt with diplomacy and showing a ton more about the state of the various alien species in the 32nd century, but it was all too fleeting. I’ve read many a complaint that 13 episodes was just too many, resulting in a number of filler episodes, but I disagree. I think 13 episodes could have been a perfect amount had the focus of the story telling been adjusted as there was certainly enough storytelling potential surrounding the DMA and the 10-C (especially when it came to communication). Fortunately, the pacing issues didn’t become a real problem until after the hiatus, and even then they weren’t enough to ruin the season for me.
Speaking of frustrations, I get the writer’s want to try and develop the bridge crew, but my g0d are they doing it in the worst way imaginable. Instead of having storylines centered around these characters, we instead get some truly cringe-worthy reaction shots of them smiling, hugging and crying. If we knew these characters more maybe these shots we be meaningful, but as it stands every time they happen I can’t help but roll my eyes.
Finally, and to end on a positive note, I’m actually really excited for what season 5 can bring. DISCO has gone through a ton of changes (seriously, Season 1 and Season 4 feel like they’re from two different shows), and in someways, given the soft reboot that was Season 3, Season 3 was almost a Season 1, with Season 4 being akin to a Season 2. Given Trek’s past track record, Season 3 tends to be when the shows really find themselves, so 🤞 that DISCO can follow suit in it’s own roundabout way ;)
I’m still waiting on an explanation of how giant floating jellyfish? created such advanced technology that they are a type 2 civilization
@ THX – Thankyou! Yes, this was one of my first thoughts too. I’m keen to know a possible explanation other than something unsatisfactory like they ‘willed it’ into existence over the years as their ‘minds grew’.
I wouldn’t worry about it too much, I highly doubt we’ll ever see them again. They are a ”one and done” species. Can’t see them recurring like the Borg, Romulans, Klingons etc.
I haven’t seen recurring the Borg and Klingons in Disco in the 32th century either.
I meant over the entire franchise. We’ve seen Borg etc plenty of times across multiple series. Species 10C(stupid name) we’ll never again see in another show, sure maybe they’ll get mentioned, but actually seen and interact with? Nope, forget get. That’s how these writers roll.
To all of those who don’t like it when Michael (or any of the crew for that matter cries), there was a great interview on “Fresh Air” recently with Marie Yovanovitch, the former ambassador to Ukraine who was unceremoniously fired by the Trump administration. During the interview she speaks about crying “hot, angry tears” upon learning she is being removed from her position, and feeling betrayed by the State department. She asked point blank if she felt embarrassed for crying in such a way, her response is brilliant (the bolding is mine):
That was hard to watch.
I really enjoyed this season. They were trying to do something different, and for the most part it worked. I’ve read a few comments that the concept was too drawn out, well there was a lot of great character building which would not have been there if this story was just a two part episode. Saru and the Vulcan leaders relationship for example – which was a highlight of the season, had time to grow naturally when mixed in with the season long story. also the whole sense of going “out there” into the unknown and encountering something truly alien was well done, and that is something that has been missing from all of these new Trek shows.
As for the finale – it’s probably the best one they have done, but that’s not saying much as they have all been disappointing to me. Thankfully there was no over the top action scene like last season with the truly stupid rollercoaster elevators. They didn’t totally derail like the Picard finale either. That’s all good. Where they failed was in not showing any real tragedy. I’m sorry, but Book’s “death” was well done and emotional. It would have served as a huge moment for Burnam to have actually had her Kobayashi Maru moment.That was all ruined by bringing Book back at the end.
There’s a youtube video ripping into Stacey Abrams’ appearance and the new Kirk casting that says that Trek “has gone straight to hell” and calls him “Lame LGBTQ Jerk” — a very awkward play on James T Kirk if I do say so.
The video has nearly 60K views in a day. Sad state of affairs, how angry fans have gotten over a simple TV show.
It’s sad how a franchise about tolerance has a lot of intolerant “fans”.
I’ve never been as disappointed after watching 50+ years of Trek as when the Discovery team cast a controversial political leader in such a pivotal role as President. This was an unnecessary casting stunt that draws the viewer out of the Star Trek reality and right into current politics. Terrible distraction to what was a wonderful story. Please producers – never again – leave acting to actors.
Agreed.
Agreed, and I was glad to hear that Anthony and Laurie agree with us.
Phenomenal theme, great setting. However, the emotional decisions by a Captain trusted to command a starship was a bit ridiculous. No where in other in a fictional universe or reality would that be tolerated.