Star Trek: Strange New Worlds returns for its third season in 2025, plus they have already ordered another season—and now we are getting a better sense of when that will go into production, likely before the next season shows up on Paramount+.
Back on the Enterprise in February 2025
When work on the third season wrapped up in late May, Strange New Worlds series star Anson Mount said he would be returning to Toronto to film the the fourth season “in the spring” of 2025. However, it now appears that shooting will begin even sooner. In an new interview with The Hollywood Reporter, Paul Wesley (James T. Kirk) talked about balancing his work as an actor with his Brother’s Bond Bourbon business, revealing when he will be back in front of the cameras for Star Trek:
“I mean, it’s one of these situations where, with acting, it’s very much a freelance job. For example, I’m going off to shoot season four of Star Trek: Strange New Worlds in February, and they know that. So, I’ve accounted for that time, and I’m committed to that, and Ian’s gonna take over some of my duties, and I have other team members. I need to be in front of the camera. I need to do things, as far as finding characters. That, for me, that’s rewarding. I’ve done it since I was a child. I’ve literally been doing theater since I was in third grade, and so I have to continue doing it. And also it feeds the product. If I’m doing well, then the company’s thriving as well, because I have more eyeballs on me, I suppose.”
So it appears Strange New Worlds will actually start production during the winter. Assuming Wesley continues to have a recurring role on the show into season 4, it’s possible that shooting could even start before February when he is required to be back on set in Toronto. Production for the first season of Star Trek: Academy began a month ago in Toronto and is expected to run into February 2025. While the two productions are shot at different studios in the Toronto area (Strange New Worlds at CBS Stages Canada and Academy at Pinewood Studios) they still share some assets, notably the AR Wall virtual stage.
Behind the scenes with AR wall during season 2 of Strange New Worlds (Paramount+)
Season 4 already mapped out
As the debut of the third season of the Strange New Worlds is still months away, little is known about season 4. Writing for the new season was already underway earlier this summer. At San Diego Comic-Con in late July, co-showrunner Akiva Goldsman said “We’re in the [writers’] room. We’re breaking. We’re talking. We have the cards with the episodes, we know what the 10 episodes are going to be about. The network does it yet, but they will soon.” Scottish actor Martin Quinn appeared as Scotty in the season 2 finale and will be a series regular in season 3, which also features Irish actor Cillian O’Sullivan in a recurring role as the TOS character of Dr. Roger Korby. The showrunners have said they plan to take Strange New Worlds “right into The Original Series,” so it’s a good bet we will see more familiar characters, possibly even Sulu, by season 4.
The second season of Strange New Worlds wrapped up in early August 2023 on Paramount+, and the streaming service has yet to set a release date for season 3 beyond saying it will arrive in 2025. The extended hiatus between seasons is due to last year’s WGA and SAG strikes. When production on season 3 wrapped in May, Anson Mount thanked fans for their patience and support during the strikes. Season 4 will likely debut in 2026, and we may learn more about Strange New Worlds season 3 (and 4) at the Star Trek Universe panel set for New York Comic Con on October 19th, although that panel will be focused on the fifth season of Lower Decks (debuting on October 24) and the Star Trek: Section 31 streaming movie set to debut on Paramount+ in early 2025.
New science lab set for Strange New Worlds season 3 (Paramount+)
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I have a sneaking suspicion this may mean that the fourth season will be the last. They want to get it on next year’s books.
I am not so sure about this as the first and second seasons were filmed quite close together. Then again with the uncertainty surrounding the studio who knows?! I do think 5 seasons is all we will get.
It might have to do with the availability of assets (ar wall, etc.), not to mention actors’ schedules.
I suspect we will get five.
Time will tell…..
Maybe not the last, but maybe just making sure this one is spending enough money to not get cancelled by the incoming regime. Still could, but the more things are lined up, scheduled and underway, the more likely they are to let it go forward, particularly since it’s doing well enough to maintain an audience.
I think you’re spot-on about getting it on next years books. Paramount was hit with another round of layoffs today (9/24) and I suspect that everything is up in the air at this point.
For those that are huge fans of TOS or Paul’s take on Kirk this will be welcome news. For those of us hoping for more stories focused on characters that won’t appear in TOS not so much. I know there will be episodes he isn’t the focus but the ones that show how the TOS cast came to be just aren’t a favorite of mine. I do like his relationship with his brother though so here’s hoping some more focus is placed on that. Or really any aspect of his life we don’t already know so much about.
Never been a big TOS fan or cared that we would get those characters again. And I never remotely cared to know how Kirk and Spock met and etc.
And now that we actually seen it…eh.
But I do really like this show and it’s been fun to see some of the TOS characters returning like it’s been seeing the TNG and VOY characters returning. And I’m really looking forward to seeing the new Scotty and please bring back Sybok next season. I know it’s like me and four other people who want that lol but it would be fun to see him and Spock mixing it up as their younger selves. And I’m eagerly awaiting Captain Angel to return as well. She was fun!
But after this show I hope they continue going forward again even though this was the first prequel I liked from the start.
Hello, I am one of the four others hoping they pick up the threads of Sybok and Captain Angel from season one!!!
Great to hear! 😄👍
I was really disappointed we didn’t see them in second season so hoping they come back on this one
No I wanted to see it too! It was a much better angle to explore than the Spock is half human comedy episodes.
THE BRING BACK SYBOK MOVEMENT IS BEGINNING!!! 😄
Happy to see the Sybok love. Guy was always great and like you said it will probably be a more interesting story for Spock to have besides body switching with his girlfriend or the love triangle he’s having with Chapel and T’Pring.
I’m a huge fan of TOS and this show sucks (everything post Berman does)
This show has NOTHING to do with TOS other than trying to ret-con it, it is anti-TOS in my opinion
we may as well be watching a mirror universe show although the writers of “Nu-Trek” could never write anything as good for the mirror universe as we have previously seen
I kid you not but earlier today I was reading an exchange me and you had in a Picard thread from earlier this year. And I remember you weren’t happy with any of these shows. I actually agreed with a few of your points and I am a big fan of this show, but I don’t shy away with my problems with it either.
As a stand alone Star Trek show it is the best we have had in the Kurtzman era (relatively speaking) but it is going out of its way to rewrite cannon, characters are behaving in ways they never did in the entire history of the previous Star Trek universe, minor species are becoming big villains of the week, they are remaking the very best episodes of Star Trek in inferior ways (balance of terror) this show is a mess, an absolute mess. If there was no TOS I would have no yardstick to compare it to but this show just seems to be “interfering” with the TOS timeline in my opinion. And it isn’t even such a good show either, yes better than Discovery and Picard but those shows were god awful so that is not saying much. Anyway why should I care I have finally made peace and even though I am the biggest Star Trek fan in the world I have decided Trek ended in on a high in 2005 with ENT season 4, There is enough real Star Trek made between 1964-2005 to keep me going. I had even bought SNW season 2 on DVD and DISCO Seasons 4 & 5 because I make it a point to watch everything Trek out of respect to the many people who brought Trek to life from 1964 onwards but in the end I gave the DVDs straight to charity without ever watching them (£30 worth?) life is too short to self flagellate myself watching what passes for Star Trek these days. Glad I got that off my chest!
I pretty much agree with everything you said about SNW there, well put. I do find Prodigy better than SNW, though. As for DSC, I have never bought that on disc and never will. Overall, as far as rewatch value goes, I go back to the 1960’s – 2005 classics all the time, over anything these showrunners have put out.
Lol you sound like another poster here named Legacy. But this is not a new view obviously, especially in more crtical places. I am more in the middle. I honestly like most of the NuTrek shows, Prodigy in particular. But I will be lying if I thought any of them reached the level of Beman Trek for me. I mean some I truly love like SNW and Lower Decks but I do miss the gravitas of the old shows.
I thought Picard season 3 was great but still pale in comparison to many of the best TNG out there. SNW is fun but it feels more Star Trek lite and a bit bland when you compare it to TOS, TNG, DS9 and even Enterprise. I think the show is as enjoyable as all of those, but it doesn’t have the weightier stories as those shows do. There is no Darmark, Amok Time, Yesterday Enterprise, Inner Light, The Visitor, Simulutude, Doomsday Machine, In the Pale Moonlight, Best of Both Worlds, Devil in the Dark, Siege of AR-588, The Expanse, Past Tense, Twilight and on and on.
Quality of Mercy had that feel but obviously it’s a remake of Balance of Terror. I don’t mind the show being more light but yeah I miss the hard hitting and more imaginative sci fi stories that had a lot more to say in the Roddenberry and Berman eras. Sue me.
There is the Gorn stuff but I won’t get into the canon issues as I always do lol.
Overall I do like the new shows but besides Prodigy which is just an amazing fun and very clever adventure show the others still are behind the classic shows for the most part. But it’s a different time with a different team of people. And maybe in time we will get more of those type of stories and less musicals lol. I will say I think the new shows are better today than when they started at least IMO. I even enjoyed the last season of Discovery overall and I like it tried to feel more like the older shows for a change.
But if I had to compare Kurtzman Trek with Berman Trek today, it’s not even close for me. Berman Trek just has way more interesting characters, settings and aliens with a mix of fun and thoughtful stories in every show. I can watch those shows for another 20 years as I have the last 20 years and still be deeply satisfied.And sure a lot of it is nostalgia obviously; but that’s why most of us still even watch Star Trek today. The jury is still out with the Secret Hideaway output minus Prodigy.
And the current stewards seem to recognize that and exactly why so many of those characters and storylines from that era keep showing up on these new shows; now even including the 32nd century. That or the people running these new shows are just big fans of that era themselves.
Berman era trek had its issues but overall its stories hold up well thru the years. It’s kind of sad really newer trek hasn’t been better because it’s certainly more diverse.
I do agree that the show’s definition of boundary pushing isn’t what it could be. I prefer more morality driven plots. The war episode with M’Benga was a step in that direction. However I think the newer shows prefer to play it safer since more is riding on the success of these shows with the current streaming atmosphere.
It is pretty ironic how hard people were on Berman in the end and some truly thought the shows became so formalic and boring (in their view) that they would all just die out with time and no one one would be talking about them 20 years later.
Well it’s now been 20 years later and the opposite effect has happened and they are more popular and beloved today in many circles. Even shows like Enterprise people thought killed the franchise off is way more popular today and even holds higher audience scores than all the new shows on Rotten Tomatoes. Its currently at 80%. Again for a show that was canceled nearly 20 years ago now. But it is proof that when you watch something far too long it’s easy to get jaded. And 18 years is a long freaking time lol.
And I also think the shows have just aged very well. Obviously the FX can’t compete with shows today but the stories and production values still register. There are tons of duds of course but when you have so many great ones to choose from it’s easier to overlook those. Obviously the characters have become beloved because they keep showing up today lol.
Let’s be honest, very few people seemed to care about SFA until it was announced The Doctor was coming back and the mood changed overnight. That’s why he’s back lol. Many still don’t care and there were the dozens of people like me who suppported it before he was announced, but it’s plainly obvious his addition has brought more curiosity to the show now. They know what they’re doing.
But I also remind myself the same thing can happen with these new shows too. The people who whine about them day in and day out and how they are an insult to ‘real’ Star Trek was the same way people talked about TNG, DS9, VOY and Enterprise back in the day when they all started. Some worse than others but they ALL got it, TNG easily the worst in the beginning.
Now the difference is I just don’t think the stories are nearly as strong as I said minus a few exceptions and every show just produce way less episodes so the bad ones really do stand out when there are only 10 episodes a season. But I have no doubt these shows won’t be talked about in 20 years time either because new fans will always have less baggage like us cranky oldies and yeah nostalgia will just eventually set in.
Will it ultimately be considered better than Berman Trek in the overall fanbase; it will probably be another 10 years to make that verdict. But sure people will still be loving shows like LDS, SNW and yes, even Discovery, I have no doubt.
And of course as I have always pointed out, each new show feels more like a Berman Trek show anyway. I think a big reason why LDS, Prodigy and SNW is more popular because they all imitate Berman Trek very well and LDS is obviously a direct continuation of it and probably why it’s so popular today.
But yes the stories still needs to be more stronger, mature and with more depth like the older shows IMO and probably a reason others still aren’t onboard with them.
“Let’s be honest, very few people seemed to care about SFA until it was announced The Doctor was coming back and the mood changed overnight.”
I can tell you without a doubt it’s the only reason I care about it now! 😁
I just never cared about the shows premise or it being set in the 32nd century. And I’m still worried it’s going to be more CW than HBO. At least Michelle Paradise is not running it, the worst Trek show runner in history.
But I was already getting a little more interested when Paul Giamatti and Holly Hunter joined the cast. That was a good sign. But when Robert Picardo was announced to come back is when I started to be excited for the show now. And even better that he’s a full time cast member. And while he was also great in Prodigy it’s still a big difference having the live action version back.
The show may still be bad but I’m more open minded with the cast it has.
As far as Kurtzman Trek vs Berman Trek, no contest for me either. TNG, DS9 and VOY were really the only shows I watched religiously for years when I became a fan in the 90s. Those are my still my go-to shows over 20 years later although I watch Enterprise a lot too and TOS here and there. I think for a lot of old fans TOS-ENT will be the core of Star Trek for anyone born before 1990. That was a very special time even if you didn’t like everything, you probably liked most of it.
But I am liking Kurtzman Trek more these days with LDS, Prodigy, SNW and Picard season 3. All great stuff IMO but most of that also still has a lot of elements that came from Berman Trek anyway. SNW is based around TOS but it feels like a Berman Trek show too. I liked Discovery last season and that was built all around a TNG story and 24th century canon. I think they knew less fans cared about the show and needed to attach it to TNG stuff to make more people care about it. It worked with me I guess lol.
But I’m not saying because it’s specifically Berman Trek itself, but that still makes up majority of Star Trek canon and what most fans grew up with in the 80s and 90s. If they really wanted to, they could just pull another JJ verse and just start over and wipe all that away. But they went back to it for a reason because Prime universe and those characters still pull in most of the fanbsse.
End of the day I will watch any Star Trek (I saw every season of Discovery…wow), but the Trek that made me a fan will always be the main draw like I think most fans who started watching it while they were young; especially older fans who started with TOS or TNG and why they are the still the most iconic.
But I also agree with you new fans watching Kurtzman Trek will look at it as their Star Trek and keep watching it. But there are still so many old characters attached to NuTrek shows now from Spock to Picard to Janeway and now the Doctor. And it will get new fans to get invested in the old shows too if they fall in love with those characters. They don’t have to watch Voyager to like Prodigy but it will draw more new fans to that show for years to come if they watch Prodigy. And of course many will now try out Prodigy if they seen Voyager for the first time.
Kurtzman Trek is still nowhere close to the level of the stories in Berman Trek but shows like LDS, Prodigy, SNW and Picard season 3 all follow the same spirit and even canon of the Berman shows so I’m very happy even if sadly most of those are now ending.
But it’s enough good Trek for me to rewatch along with the older shows if NuTrek ended next year and that’s all I care about. And I still hold out hope for Legacy someday! 😎🖖
“I liked Discovery last season and that was built all around a TNG story and 24th century canon. I think they knew less fans cared about the show and needed to attach it to TNG stuff to make more people care about it.”
I actually agree with most of this as well. I do think it was very deliberate they wanted to tie into the season something TNG related. I saw an interview from Michelle Paradise who said she grew up loving The Chase and wanted a follow up for it. I don’t doubt that but I do think some executive told them they wanted them to to find a way to tie it in to the TNG era to promote it to older fans and this was the idea they came up with.
Obviously it’s just a theory but by bringing in The Doctor on SFA basically confirms it in my mind and they are trying very hard to appeal to the old guard. Last seasons of Discovery as said, Picard and LDS were all based around old TNG era storylines when you include The First Duty/Lower Decks from TNG for LDS and remnants of the Dominion War, First Contact and Endgame for Picard final season.
Just more proof these shows still rely very heavily on old fans. I never believed the idea Discovery was bringing in more new fans because you don’t attach 30 year old episodes to a new show in its fifth season. That’s made for people on boards like this.
But I been saying this for years and everything they have done with all these shows are not really geared to new fans. Maybe at the beginning but once they introduced Pike and Spock in season 2 of DIS and they announced Picard and LDS after that that’s all it’s been. Prodigy was really the only show geared for a new fanbsse but it obviously knew the old fans were important to have. Sadly that wasn’t even enough.
Maybe Section 31is meant to appeal to new fans because it doesn’t feel appealing to me at all. I guess we’ll see. At least Rachel Garret is back.
I’ve said this many times too and no one is watching these new shows but old fans and most of them today started watching in the Brerman era what they are loyal to. They need us and they know it. It’s why I’m surprised they didn’t get Legacy in development, especially after how great Picard did in the views. But I guess they are too broke.
so i guess only 4 seasons of SNW? my only hope is that they are expediating season 4 and not doing a season 5 is so that they can startup ST Legacy sooner.
what would be fun is if they did a tv movie later on set during year 4 or 5 of the kirk 5 year mission with this crew…or a tv movie post TMP pre-TWOK with this crew
I hate to say it but I’m thinking Legacy is becoming less and less likely every day.
I’m actually wondering if the Trek Renaissance we’ve experienced is about to slip back into the dark ages.
Less and less likely? It was never even being considered.
If the “dark ages” means no Trek as opposed to dumb/fake Trek then take me back to the dark ages again so we can wait for some people to come along who actually 1) “get” what Star Trek is about and 2) can write
When I thought NuTrek was a dumpster fire after JJ verse, Discovery and sadly Picard I always reminded myself I survived on Trek for 20 years just watching reruns of the 90s shows and can continue to do that if I had to.
Yeah I wanted new Star Trek of course but not if it’s silly bloated popcorn Marvel type movies or turning Discovery into space GOT.
I wanted actual Star Trek again, not this nonsense.
But end of the day it’s just entertainment and like what you like if nothing else satisfies you after 2005. For me, I didn’t care about anything that came after Voyager for a long time. I eventually came around to Enterprise but that was nearly 10 years after I got into the franchise. For a long time, I thought it was a really boring prequel no one was asking for with unlikable characters, minus Trip, and just a complete waste of time. Discovery sucked, another prequel no one was asking for, but I never stopped watching it like I did Enterprise.
Oddly enough I only got into Enterprise after the first JJ verse movie felt like an utter farce and decided to try and watch again realizing that show felt like real Star Trek. That felt much more like TOS than JJ verse ever did and I learned to appreciate it from that point on.
JJ verse is a theme park ride with really dumb plots and characters. The actors were all good but never liked Fratboy Kirk, Emo Spock or Talk to the hand Uhura and they were the main characters lol. Always loved Mccoy a lot though. He was great and why I liked Beyond so much because he got a lot more to do.
Anyway everyone jist likes what they like. NuTrek isn’t for you, doesn’t have to be.
What leads you to your guess?
Legacy isn’t a thing.
…..and likely never will be.
I think Legacy is possible, but not in the immediate future, but more likely a few years down the pipeline once Terry Matalas has the Vision series in the rear-view mirror and has the Magic the Gathering show up and running.
Been saying this forever Scott and certainly agree. And remember they did hint there could be a post Picard movie happening in that Variety article. Now that may not be what Matalas was setting up in season 3 and maybe more TNG based or something instead. But let’s say it is Legacy, my best guess is that could be the next streaming movie after Section 31 and if it’s a big hit, it will turn into a show. But all that is just high speculation obviously but I wouldn’t be shocked we see it as a streaming movie of some kind first.
Oh god, who wants to see an 84 year old Patrick Stewart putting his talents to use in just delivering sub-par Star Trek compared to the sublime output we got from him between 1987-2002?
NEMESIS is superior to any “Star Trek” made since ENTERPRISE went off the air.
Picard S3 was fan service wall to wall and I gave up after the 9th episode because I forgot what the hell the boring stupid show was about. And I dont even care now
seriously I am getting sick of seeing characters from the Berman era of Trek appear in these shows that are completely beneath them. Enough
I am definitely more pro-NuTrek than you are but I get your issues, especially with Picard. I truly loved having him back but yeah he was never close to the level of Picard on TNG or the movies. I really loved Picard season 3 but I can also be honest and say as a blind fanboy apologist nearly all the fan service in that season worked on me lol. I have certainly been critical of it but I still loved it overall.
But I certainly understand why people like you thought it totally sucked if you feel it was just too much fan service and nostalgia and little else. And you’re far from alone in that belief on these boards And if you hated it that much where you couldn’teven finish it. But the blind fanboy apologist in me still can’t get over seeing the E-D lol. But I did say bringing back Moriarty was a waste of time so that’s me trying to be (highly) critical haha.
In all seriousness I think Stewart’s time with Picard is over. He may come back again but I do feel it will be more of a guest star level if the Legacy idea or anything 25th century based ever happens again.
But listening to the internet I thought Stewart along with the rest of the TNG cast were done for good after Nemesis and that wasn’t the case so who knows?
Oh just curious have you watched Prodigy? What are your thoughts on that one. I imagine not very good but it’s actually my favorite show in NuTrek, especially after season 2.
I can’t even be critical of that show at all, I love it so much! I mean I try to be but it just does a great job of telling its stories with a lot of heart. But I know some hate that show too of course. But this is why I love message boards. I don’t want an echo chamber. If someone hates something I fiercely love (or vice versa) I really want to hear it and have even agreed with their thoughts like what happened with me and SNW. I used to love that show a lot more until I started reading the more persuasive critical posts about it here lol.
I dont do cartoon Star Trek, TAS was awful so I wont be watching prodigy anytime soon. Either film real life or not at all is my view
Fair enough! But I ended up liking TAS when I first watched it a few years ago but no desire to watch it again either.
“seriously I am getting sick of seeing characters from the Berman era of Trek appear in these shows that are completely beneath them. Enough”
Savage bro…savage! 😁
To be honest, besides Kirk I have liked all the returning characters back. And of course I love Kirk, but Deadwood Kirk is just boring and feels very out of place on the show. Hot Chapel is really a different character but that’s a good thing IMO…and she’s really hot too.
I don’t have an issue with any of the 24th century characters being brought back. And I think characters other fans hated in the past like Chakotay and Wesley for example were actually improved on. I always liked both but I can’t disagree their characters didn’t always get the best stories. Thanks to Prodigy people appreciate them a lot more now. I also loved the entire TNG cast back in Picard. They were all awesome IMO, especially Beverly, Worf and Riker. In fact Beverly was another characters complained about in the past not getting enough to do.
So I can’t agree with your argument since I think most characters have been treated very well and even an improvement in cases like Beverly, Wesley, Chapel and Chakotay.
And ar least we didn’t get any white Khan screw ups. 🙄
Moving up S4 to February (or sooner) likely gets the bulk of the production costs onto FY2025 books. When, or how it’s aired is anyone’s guess (it may go the way of Prodigy’s second season). Assuming the Picard spin off was greenlit today, it would take two or three years of prep before principal photography begins. Legacy remains nothing but a gleam in Terry Matalas’ eye, and nothing more.
I do think SNW will get one more season, but yeah who knows? The days of 7 seasons are far far behind us.
As for what will come after it whenever it leaves, I don’t think it will be Legacy but most likely the 25th century live action comedy they talked about at Comic Con Tawny Newsome is developing. I suspect that’s what will replace SNW and will run alongside SFA as the two main shows for awhile. Again, assuming that show is green lit at all. IF not, then yeah there is probably a chance for Legacy to happen, but I wouldn’t hold my breath on it.
Again it’s the biggest no-brainer to make for sure, but yeah.
I think the time for Legacy has passed. I was never really interested in the first place. I liked 7 of 9 in Voyager but I was indifferent for her character in Picard. This goes for the rest of the crew as well. And as far as the “new” Enterprise… I HATE it. They should have renamed the ship USS Picard maybe and introduced a new ship as the Enterprise with flagship status and the same pomp and circumstance as they did in TMP.
I hear you and yes it was never a thing. But we also have to remember they announced S31 back in 2019 and it didn’t get greenlit until 2023 SFA was being developed back in 2018 and it didn’t get approved until last year, five years later.
So to say something has passed could be true but these projects can gestate for literally years as well. But I have to reiterate those projects were at least actually being developed and this isn’t so you could be 100% right. And given the state of P+ these days Star Trek in general is not looking as shiny as it did jist a few years ago.
And I agree about the Enterprise G. I hated they just renamed the Titan. I’m not a big fan of that ship. I don’t want a retro looking 23rd century ship, but a sleek 25th century version. We fully agree on that.
But as I also stated, most likely we will get the comedy show regardless. That one is obviously in development and we can see how happy people are over that idea lol.
But I’m staying open minded though and if they decided to go with this over Legacy, this may be a huge shock to some, but I’m OK with that too.
Just as long as it’s good of course. But I want Trek to take chances. I do want a Captain Seven show, but I would be open to anything that gave us something left field and with completely new characters and settings. LDS was definitely a left field move and it paid off IMO.
I would love the comedy show to be given the go-ahead. I love LDS, it’s the show that feels the most like Star Trek to me, so the comedy aspect doesn’t take away from what makes a ST show enjoyable (to me). Same with Prodigy, but I’m Canadian so didn’t even get to see the, what second season? I’ve disconnected from that show. I don’t even know if it finally became available in Canada.
I’m open minded too, which is why I watched Disco S5 (except the last show. Just stopped caring) and will watch S31 and SFA. So if Legacy does ever get made I’ll certainly watch it.
Exactly I think it can be a lot of fun. And you probably heard me say this before but I always enjoyed most of the Star Trek comedies (accept those horrible Fair Haven Voyager episodes. I wish Q could snap his fingers and they disappeared forever). Annnyway, they are usually a lot of fun so I don’t know why a live action comedy can’t work if you like most of the comedic episodes?
But I have said in the past if you hate LDS I obviously get the skepticism. But like you, I truly love that show and surprisingly most here seem to love ut as well, so take a leap of faith. If it sucks I will have no problem saying so..
There will always be fans who just want to see Starfleet officers on a ship exploring space. And if it’s on an Enterprise even better lol. That’s exactly why the Legacy idea just won’t die because I imagine for the overwhelming majority of fans that’s what Star Trek is and supposed to be. Most actually do seem happy it’s with new characters as well but you throw in a few familiar faces like Picard, Janeway or Seven most are even more onboard. You can’t fault people for just wanting what they want.
But if you are a fan like us who wants to see Trek experiment and go in different directions in new settings and time periods then this deserves a chance at least IMO.
As for Prodigy I heard it never made it to Canada airways oddly. But it is on ITunes there and it was reported to be the number one on the seller list the first week it debuted anyway. Just more proof the show definitely has an audience, just a question of how big.
I’m actually interested in the comedy show too. I definitely would prefer Leagacy but I’ll give anything a shot if it’s based in the 25th century.
I have a feeling that will be the show to replace SNW after its canceled.
I suspect the same and also said as much. Assuming it gets the green light it will be designed to replace SNW since sadly I don’t think they want three live action shows all running together anymore.
And since 2-3 years to get these shows on the air once they are approved it would be good timing if SNW is done after fifth season.
Yes there’s a huge difference between “good writing” Seven in Voyager and bland, “bad writing” Seven in Picard. As for the likes of Sidney “Crash” LaForge, or whatever her equally bland personality was on Picard, I don’t think anyone cares. People only want Legacy because it might mean lots and lots of legacy characters, the only thing most fans seem to care about these days.
“Yes there’s a huge difference between “good writing” Seven in Voyager and bland, “bad writing” Seven in Picard.”
This we fully fully agree on. Seven became such an iconic character because of how well she was developed in Voyager combined with Ryan’s great acting.
Although I obviously liked seeing her in Picard the writing of her character never got close as it did on Voyager. First season wasn’t bad and since she was only in a few episodes people were just excited to see her back. It was fine for what she was given to do.
But second season was a travesty. They completely wasted her and gave her nothing to do besides fighting with Raffi and looking for people for ten episodes. Another reason why I’m so bitterly disappointed with that season. Now I thought she was great in third season and if nothing else a stark improvement from second season but I will agree still not at the level at her best in Voyager either. But that’s also the difference when you are in 100 episodes in one show vs 25 episodes in another You just have more time to shine.
Every time I read about Picard S2 being so bad I’m glad I gave up after S1 and never watched it. I did watch the whole of S1 but give it 3/10 at most. When a series makes you despise a character (Picard) that you previously held in high regard, to the point where you even dislike the actor, it’s not worth more than that.
Season 2 was easily the worst season of Star Trek ever IMO. It was worse than any season of Discovery by a lightyear and that’s still my least favorite show.. But if it wasn’t for season 3 Picard would be my least favorite show if they ended it on season 2 The first two seasons were just huge disappointments.
But season 2 was so bad I was considering to stop watching it completely and just wait until the season was over to finish it because it became that agonizing to watch it week to week.
I really wish I had your will power, especially since season 2 was basically the STID of Picard meaning you could skip it completely and lose nothing in the other seasons. It’s utterly ignored in season 3 because Matalas knew what a dumpster fire it was and basically pretended like it never existed. The only real connection I can think of was bringing back Q just to reverse his death they spent all of season 2 setting up. More proof Matalas just didn’t care about season 2 at all and I can’t blame him.
I did love Seven in Picard a lot even though as others said season 2 was extremely weak. But it’s still no contest between seeing Seven in Picard vs Voyager. Her journey in Voyager will always be a lot more special to see someone who been a Borg all her life into being a human again.
But seeing her 20 years after that finally gaining her humanity and becoming a member of Starfleet was just as interesting and.a big reason so many want the Legacy show. We want to see her continue that journey now that she is the lead. But who knows she may appear on SFA in season 2! 😂
At this point I put nothing pass them.
I’d sooner had the ship just stay the Titan.
Wish the comedy wasn’t a thing.
Understandable. I’m guessing you also speak for the majority. I’m not pumping my fist in the air over it, but I am being cautiously optimistic if it happens since I am a fan of Lower Decks and Newsome. But every time I hear her talk about Star Trek, her love for it is infectious (and DS9 is her favorite show as it is mine ;)) and so really curious about the idea.
But I agree, I think if we were told this was a 25th century show set on a planet resort, still not the greatest idea out there, but less divisive if it was played straight.
I have a strong feeling people feel the same about Starfleet Academy. Literally no one asked for it but we are getting it anyway, all because it’s Kurtzman’s pet project.
Huh? Legacy is not really a thing, other than in the minds of naive fans and actors. It has never been something CBS has even been considering.
Again that’s not 100% true either since it was literally reported Kurtzman is considering a post Picard movie in the Variety article. They didn’t call it Legacy and as I said in another post it may be something directly about the core TNG characters including Picard himself again and not specifically what Matalas set up. But my guess Seven will still be there as well if it were to happen.
Obviously it’s probably all in blue sky phase so who knows. And yes they could’ve dropped it completely a week later. But people can’t keep saying it’s not a thing at all if TPTB are actully thinking in that direction. We just don’t know how serious it is yet.
I worked in PR and marketing for years, when something like that is dropped in an article in something as big as Variety, it’s deliberate.
That said they keep saying so and so Kelvin/ ST something movie is actually happening and all those have been printed in Variety articles as well. My only point is it’s at least on the table but yes could be DOA as all those films in the end.
Yes, but a Picard movie and a Star Trek: Legacy TV show are two entirely different things. One is on the table. The other never was. :)
That’s fair. And the article just said a Picard follow up movie. That could be Legacy or as stated more TNG related. The only point is they obviously know that’s what fans want and Kurtzman has proven time and time again he does listen to the feedback and responds accordingly. He literally said if he could green light the Legacy show, he would. I think a Legacy movie is the compromise if they can’t make it into a show, like what happened with S31. And that could be the groundwork of a TV show later on, but that’s just my fanboy wish fullfillment speculation talking lol.
But yes in the end you could be completely right and more likely will be. I just think it’s a little misleading to say the idea has never been even discussed when that’s clearly not true either. My guess is it’s discussed quite a bit when it’s the first or second question you get asked at every convention or interview. Both Goldsman and Kurtzman has gone on record saying they want it too. Unless they are just lying to get the raging fanboys Starfleet issued boots off their necks, I do think they are discussing ways it could happen in some form. Or maybe they have discussed it and realized it’s just not feasible, so here is this comedy show idea Worf will definitely show up in instead. (Be thankful nerds!) But I think until someone just says that, then it persists for a reason.
That post Picard movie… is that the one where Stewart was saying he hoped to expand Picard’s character, by making him afraid or some idiocy like that? Picard was nothing like Picard of old (in other words, the real Picard) in the Picard series, and now Stewart wants to make him even more different. This man’s ego is way higher than his understanding of the Picard character and is the reason why I would be totally disinterested in anything he would appear in.
No not what I’m talking about. I think I know what you’re talking about out that sounded like an idea Stewart was somehow confused about saying he got a script for a TNG movie or something? But it was never real according to the All Access podcast.
And while I love and respect Stewart he should really leave the story ideas to the pros.
What I’m talking about was just a brief line in the Variety article and it just said Kurtzman was considering doing a post Picard movie of some kind if the Section 31 movie proved to be a success. But considering what that looks like, I’m not sure we’re getting another streaming movie again if that thing flops and it very well could now. Don’tthink it will but wow. But that’s a different thread.
I would point out that people do change over the course of their lives.
Twenty years on, is Rudy Giuliani still “America’s mayor”?
Can’t argue with that.
I don’t care what series/TV movie/YouNameIt that they come up with, as long as it has Bruce Horak in it. Our Hemmer was my most favourite new character in forever and General Garkog and his K-Pop boys were the coolest part of Subspace Rhapsody. So, more, more and even more Bruce Horak please❣️❣️❣️
IMO, Legacy will be a movie and not a series if it makes it into production.
I agree with this too. We will probably get a Legacy movie first.
Agreed. If there ever is such a thing as Legacy in the future, my hunch is it would probably take the form of a streaming movie.
The window for Legacy likely closed with the WGA strike. That and Paramount+ seems to be tightening its belt. I can’t imagine expensive new shows being greenlit.
End of the day, it’s probably just $$$ why it’s not happening which shouldn’t surprise anyone. They can’t even get a new movie into production for probably the exact same reason and after 8 years. And Picard just ended last year.
I think if SFA didn’t exist we would have it in development today. But as shown in the last few years there is just less money for Trek these days.
February?! I could be dead by then!
Given everything going on in the media reshuffling now, this is a real $$ commitment. So, let’s appreciate what we like…
It’s going to take a year for the Paramount deal to close, and it’s almost a certainty that P+ goes away or gets merged with another streamer. It will remain to be seen if the new entity has the same commitment to Trek….
I was optimistic that the earlier spring claim by Anson would hold since we have Celia and Melissa doing the Trek cruise next February. They’ll have to cancel if they’re pulled into production.
To me this is good news. It shows the studio has a commitment to the SNW crew back to work as soon as possible. I’m confident we’ll get a fifth season, but I also think S5 will be its last. However, as much as I enjoy Paul Wesley’s take on Kirk, I would prefer he only appear in 3 episodes max.
I’d prefer he appear in 0 episodes max. This was not supposed to be a show about Kirk.
Perhaps a one-off appearance might have been tantalizing. But he’s showing up every other episode as if he were Anna Netrebko.
Well it’s good news the season might film a bit sooner but I still think this version of Kirk sucks. Sorry, I just don’t really like him. But I’m hoping that will change in season 3. Either way, it’s good news for the show.
I still don’t remotely understand why Wesley was cast in the role either, not even close. And I would have much preferred we meet him at the end of SNW, as they hand off the ENT to Kirk from Pike, towards the eventual inevitable alt-universe TOS reboot I’m dreading. 🙄
Yeah listening to most people on this board, they seem to agree with you and Kirk shouldn’t even be on the show until the finale. I always predicted he would show up sooner because they just can’t help themselves. But after seeing what we got I wish they kept Kirk out of it because it just feels so forced and makes little sense in canon. Someone on this board described him as the sitcom neighbor who just randomly pops up on the ship for reasons. It’s fan service of the worst kind IMO because it’s clearly obvious he’s just showing up because his name is Kirk and little else.
And Wesley seems to be a great guy but it still feels like a huge miscast to me. But my opinion only. If others like him great, but I think he really sucks and oddly every time he appears takes me out of the show a bit.
Spring officially starts in March, so February is pretty darned close.
So the new canon is Kirk gets to eventually captain the Enterprise because he’s constantly bumming around someone else’s ship for the prior 3 years…
Kirk is the ultimate sitcom neighbor. 😂
Pretty much seems that way, yup.
Thanks for spoiling Kirk doesn’t die next season Wesley! 😂😉
In all seriousness great to know. Deadwood Kirk really bores me but happy to know we won’t get season 4 until 2028. But the ways things are going there though…
Nobody announced that SNW is only going 4 seasons. Let’s be clear about that.
Yeah, really head-scratching that everyone is talking about that. It’s not even SUGGESTED. It’s like one random person brought it up and everyone jumped on it because they either 1) love the show and want to blame Para for canceling it or b) hate the show and are reveling in its apparent ‘failure’
It seems reasonable to tighten up the hiatus if they are relying on fewer shows to fill the streaming schedule. I don’t take this to mean they are accelerating the show’s conclusion by any stretch.
Four and done.
Well, if they plan on taking the show up to TOS, that means we might not get a new McCoy. In the episode “Where No Man Has Gone Before,” McCoy was not the ship’s doctor (although he might have been on board just not seen). Also, Sulu was the astrophysicist in that episode, not the helmsman.
So, if we get a Sulu in season 4, he should start as an astrophysicist, but eventually becomes the helm? I also think season 4 could be the last, so they would have to have a plan for that.
Speaking of WNMHGB, I hope we get a Gary Mitchell and Lt. Kelso eventually.
oh god no, please no more of this awful JT Kirk.
He should probably be JR Kirk, since he only changed to JT Kirk AFTER the events of WHERE NO MAN HAS GONE BEFORE (check out his headstone … no way his best friend wouldn’t know his middle initial was T instead of R.)
But yeah, I really hate him. The writing is to blame for most of it, but a lot is just him.
I looked it up- apparently SNW starts in 2259. If it’s a season per year (and at ten episodes it could be less than that), to drive straight into TOS (which starts in 2265) means about six seasons, unless they skip time between seasons or episodes, or have a finale that jumps forward like ENT did.
My assumption is they will do a 5-6 season thing into a new (ugh) version of TOS with the new Kirk, new Scotty, Ethan Peck, Uhura, etc. Tho in the end viewership and whatever ends up happening to Paramount long term may change that.
Can we get Akiva out of the writers room maybe?
Comment of the decade! More on point, can we get Boeing to ship the whole writers room up to LEO, so they won’t be able to wreak havoc on trek for months or years?
I have this horrible feeling the reason they are marching straight into filming S4 is because P+ is going to make S4 it’s last…
Yeah, it seems most likely. I am sure the producers have a plan to wrap up the series in season 4, which would be to get the crew to match to the TOS crew especially up to the episode “Where No Man has Gone Before.”
Why do people keep assuming that just because they are filming season 4 that the show is ending? They renewed the show, and now they are making a new season of it. Why is that weird?
His version of Kirk was okay but definitely didn’t wow. Actor was fine but it was missing some…. je ne sais quoi.
And, really, Kirk had the spotlight for so long, I’d rather have other characters highlighted rather than having him constantly cameo. Show us another TOS era captain. Give Ronald Tracey or Clark Terrell a highlight.
Exactly! That would be surprising and cool. And not so defined in our imaginations.
I’m trying to imagine a contemporary actor tough enuf to play Tracey and coming up empty.
Agreed, Morgan Woodward was quite a talent, with a lot of intensity.
I would love to see some other captains of the TOS era explored a bit. If TPTB insist on hanging out in this era, why not expand some one-note captains some.
Sounds like Paul Wesley is really hands-on with his business. Good for him – I must check it out.
I love this show, and love Wesley as Kirk. SNW is the first time I’ve ever cared about TOS characters beyond Spock.
Not a perfect show, but no Trek has ever been perfect. And please, give me a break about continuity. I don’t care if they’re retconning things. Heck, make Kirk the first officer for all I care, kill off Spock and put a Cardassian on the bridge. Doesn’t matter to me.
Just tell great stories, which they are doing. Not a single episode I don’t like and already a handful that I’ve watched over and over.
I hope they recapture the magic of season one after a lacklustre season two. Strange new worlds, exploration and danger on the final frontier, a starship having to represent the Federation, decisions matter vs. singing, nonsensical time travel loops where decisions are retconned yet no one wants to use time travel to save people, etc.
You have the right cast, the right ship and great sets (add back the color! See TOS), now get the good adventure stories back.
Can’t we leave the fluff to Legacy or Lower Decks?
Agree with you 100%. I thought season 2 did a complete nosedive compared to season 1 with regard to story decisions and writing quality. I thought S2 to be a great-looking uneven mess.
For season 4, I’d like to see less of the ‘big swing’ episodes — and if the goal IS to get closer and closer to TOS era, would be interesting to see the handoff from Pike to Kirk. I find the show entertaining and FUN — I just feel some times the show tries a bit too hard — the musical episode for example — or gets TOO goofy/farce (Spock Amok). IF the goal is to transition to TOS, we need closure on Ortega, Number One, etc.
Glad SNW is getting a 4th season. I have a feeling creating season 4 NOW might also be a wise move of getting ahead of things because of studio changes / mergers / talks of restructuring — maybe the plan is “Make season 4 while we still can” rather than waiting a year and hoping whomever owns Star Trek a year from now still green-lights it.
I’ll be watching and enjoying!
Get as much done as possible fast. I wonder what kind of impact the current chaos and layoffs at paramount is having on star Trek?
That Fake Kirk again..