It has been a while since one of the Kelvin Universe actors has weighed in about returning to Star Trek, but Zachary Quinto has stepped up to talk about taking another ride on the USS Enterprise. Even though it’s been over 8 years since their last trip, he still sees “limitless” possibilities playing Spock.
Limitless Spock
Paramount has confirmed they are still developing another Star Trek movie film set in the Kelvin Universe featuring the cast of the 2009 Star Trek movie. There have been several attempts to make “Star Trek 4,” with writer Steve Yockey hired in March to take the latest crack at a script. In an interview with Variety promoting his new NBC medical drama Brilliant Minds, Zachary Quinto expressed hope to get to play Spock again:
“The great thing is ‘Star Trek’ is a limitless universe. Look at all the television shows, look at all the stories, look at all the characters and timelines. Anything is possible. That’s the joy of the franchise. That’s why it’s lasted for 55, 60 years. I’m open to it. I would love it. I would absolutely love it.”
Zachary Quinto as Spock in Star Trek Beyond (Paramount Pictures/Skydance)
Paramount has confirmed that the next Star Trek feature film on their slate is actually an untitled Star Trek origin movie with a new cast, based on a script from Seth Grahame-Smith (The Lego Batman Movie) with Andor‘s Toby Haynes set to direct. That movie is on Paramount’s 2026 release slate, so “Star Trek 4” is still several years away and its release will happen over a decade after 2016’s Star Trek Beyond. But Quinto doesn’t see an issue with the time gap, or with playing the character later into his career, telling Variety:
“There’s no cutoff. The original cast did movies for decades, well into their 50s, 60s. The stories might be different. We might not be running as fast on the other planets, but I think anything’s possible, and I think there’s nothing more fulfilling as an artist then to come back to something after time has passed, and cultivate a relationship with it from a completely different perspective and a completely new point of view.”
This issue of a time gap has also been brought up by Chris Pine (who is now 44), who recently pondered how the next movie will deal with Kirk “getting older.” Original Spock actor Leonard Nimoy was 60 in 1991 when the final film with the original cast (Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country) was released. James Doohan (Scotty) and DeForest Kelley (Dr. McCoy) were both 71. Nimoy returned to the role of Spock in his 70s for 2009’s Star Trek and his 80s for 2013’s Star Trek Into Darkness. Quinto was 31 when the 2009 Star Trek movie came out and he is now 47, so he has given himself plenty of leeway for a return to the role if Paramount finally puts what they have been describing as the “final” film for the Kelvin crew into production.
Zachary Quinto and Leonard Nimoy in 2009 Star Trek movie (Paramount Pictures)
For now, to see Quinto you can tune into Brilliant Minds, where he stars as Dr. Oliver Wolf in a medical drama based on the real-life neurologist Dr. Oliver Sacks. The show premiered last week and episode two airs tonight (September 30th) at 10 pm on NBC. You can see a trailer below.
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Quinto is 47. There’s an acknowledgement that the next Trek movie could be at least thirteen years away….
Lol! Sad but true.
It’s also sad but not remotely surprising the Starfleet prequel movie probably won’t make it in theaters by the 60th anniversary either.
I guess there is still a shot but since it’s now basically October of 2024 and not a single movement on it since it’s been announced, not exactly holding my breath.
The Cone of Silence has definitely been lowered on that “production”. Box Office Mojo has an entry for S31, and an untitled/no release date Beyond sequel. That’s it……
What’s nuts is it will be ten months come October since they announced it. I literally had to look up the names of the director and writer for another thread because I literally forgot who was making it. I don’t think either has made a single comment or update about the film since they were hired.
Doesn’t bold well.
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I actually said in another useless movie thread a few months back I don’t see another movie happening for another 5 years at this point .
My guess by then they will announce something completely different from the movies they are supposedly making now if history tells us anything.
by then probably an AI perfect recreation of the TOS cast showing the final adventure of the original 5 year mission (final scene Kirk Spock Bones watching the TOS Enterprise getting fast forward rebuilt into the TMP Enterprise, a’la the end of Beyond)
Uh..no. Let’s have real actors please. That was one of the big issues of the actors strike.
And I don’t have the same interest of doing more TOS. I would prefer something NOT a prequel at all if I could help it. Something new.
Seconded. Please…no more prequels or reboots. If an actual Original idea could finally be greenlit, I’d greatly appreciate it.
Agree with you guys too. Isn’t SNW enough? Who is begging for more TOS other than old TOS fans? The rest of us actually want new things.
I’m an old TOS fan and I had no problem letting it go after TUC premiered. If by some miracle they get the next Kelvin movie off the ground I will happily watch it. But I hope they are ready to move on after that to something fresh and new.
I don’t have a ton of interest in watching an AI generated simulation of Federation starship construction purging its primary colors, or Klingons growing head ridges. Shatner’s signed off on use of his AI image after he’s dead, so I suppose if some suit at Paramount thought they could turn a quick buck on it, they’d give it a go.
Will there even be a theatrical movie ecosystem that we recognize in 13 years?
Yes, it just depends how much the rest of Hollywood is able to keep Netflix and to a lesser extent Apple and Amazon, at bay.
They haven’t done a good job of it so far, and now are much diminished for it. How do you see that improving for legacy Hollywood studios in the next decade?
No one wanted to be caught flat footed when Netflix aggressively came at them for all their customers with an industry disrupting platform. They achieved scale first and it sapped resources for legacy media, hastening the demise of broadcast. But they’re all reducing spending to more reasonable levels and even Paramount+ has managed a profit for a quarter.
Clearly the box office is taking a front seat again and will be prioritized. Cinema owners have just announced a plan to collectively invest over $2 billion to improve theatrical exhibition experiences for 21,000 screens.
Having seen broadcast revenue shrink, there is no way that the studios won’t fight to preserve this revenue stream. They’ll still take big tech’s money at times and invest in their own streaming services, but clearly they are wising up to how streaming can’t make up for all their lost income.
If they do comeback it would probably be a Generations 2.0 type movie to jumpstart a Kelvin-verse reboot of TNG, which could be fun to have the crews (& ships) of the A & D together….ie what we thought we were getting in Generations
Mark Strong as Picard, Brandon Routh Riker, Tom Hiddleson Data, Jason Momoa Worf, Bryce Dallas Howard Beverly, John Boyega Geordi, Mikaela Hoover Troi,
That’s pretty good casting right there…..Mark Strong is awesome
Yeah he’s great!
The cast definitely isn’t too old to continue right now, they just need to factor in time. I think bringing the crew back together could be a compelling storytelling framework for the next movie, similar to how Picard brought the crew back together in S3 (or how the crew came together in the 2009 movie). I could imagine Kirk on sabbatical on his horse ranch in Iowa, or something like that. The cast is just so incredibly strong, hate to throw it away.
They’re not too old, it’s just wild that we’ve only had 3 movies with a cast who were brought on to be fresh young versions of their beloved counterparts, and now here we are still musing about a 4th movie as the entire cast has reached the age everyone was at for TMP.
Fingers crossed. Hopefully he won’t be Patrick Stewart’s age before they finally make another one.
I remember the last time he discussed the possibility of a movie was several years ago? And he sounded like he still questioned another one was happening although they had ‘announced’ one was coming in 2023.
I remember saying yeah it’s probably not going to happen if there is still so much uncertainty from one of its main stars…and getting a lot of pushback from people over it. Some of us were told we were being too cynical and that the new regieme was very very serious this time and we should believe them. This was now new confident people in charge so stop being so pessimistic haters. It’s happening!!
Now here we are several years later, not only did it not happen, his new answer is basically ‘yeah someday…maybe’.
Well, OK then.
I wonder if the Kelvin cast could be folded into one of Kurtzman’s projects, either in one of the series or a standalone project. I don’t see them coming back as their own standalone movie, but who knows.
I really don’t know why there just isn’t something based in the Kelvin universe on Paramount+ now? Even if you don’t have anyone from that cast or characters involved you can expand that universe that way. And it would’ve been great to keep that part of the franchise alive between movies (when the plan was probably to do more of them).
Maybe it’s a contract issue with Paramount or that they simply don’t think there will be enough interest in a streaming show or movie of some kind? I don’t really believe the latter because the movies were big enough to justify doing a show of some kind. And if you don’t think a TV show would be popular enough today, that doesn’t bold well for any big screen movie.
But if they can’t get something done on the big screen then just find a project to do on streaming. The multiverse idea keep showing up, but I think that would actually be much easier to do as a limited event series on Paramount+ and grab a few people from TNG, VOY, SNW, etc with some of the Kelvin characters.
Do you remember when these movies were being made, especially the first one and Star Trek Into Drekness, everyone (including me) assumed if Star Trek went back to TV, then it would be in the JJ verse. Everyone thought that because that was when people were convinced the Prime universe was now a dead one and gone forever.
Obviously I’m glad we all turned out wrong lol, but I even admit as someone who hates JJ verse, it’s always been strange they never tried to make one TV show in it. Even just an animated show like we have with LDS and Prodigy. There are now 6 NuTrek shows when you count SFA and a TV movie but no one seems interested in a JJ verse show.
Or maybe they think fans will only care about it if they can get one of the main characters to star in it? I do remember a few years ago that Zachary Quinto said he wouldn’t mind doing a Spock TV show if they made one.
Oh yeah, for sure. I still like to read some of the old articles here when the first film was coming out (I never pretended I had an exciting life….or a life) and it is funny when you read those articles and comments how much influence people thought it would have on the franchise for the next 10-20 years. A Kelvin TV show was basically just a given and the next obvious step (just like a spin off show to Picard seems the most obvious to most fans today but I digress ;)).
And I agreed with them too as I said, that they would probably make a TV show in the Kelvin universe. Now the difference is I was always 100% certain even back then we would get the prime universe again and something post-Nemesis related (I never thought in terms of all the nostalgia bait and fan service we have now; I just assumed something would be in the mid-25th century or later with new characters and settings. But I’m OK with the EMH Doctor being on 5 shows ;)).
So yeah, I just thought we would get both. It is weird that for all the money and hype those movies brought they never tried to extend them beyond comic books and a few games.
But as I’m very skeptical we will get another Kelvin movie, I do think we will see that universe again in some form. At the moment, the obvious choice is on Paramount+. But who knows where things will be in another decade?
LOL those are sad deluded fanboys who can’t come to terms with reality. Paramount trolls harder than Lucasfilm.
I still laugh at all the times these fanboys kept telling the rest of us it’s definitely happening, they just have to get Zoe Saldana’s or John Cho’s schedule clear, then the cameras will start rolling. That’s been the only hold up for the last 5 years lol.
These movies are done. They been done for years now. Unless they can make a movie for $90 million or something, it’s not happening.
I think everyone has finally come to this reality now. As I have always said, I’m not saying a movie won’t ever happen, I just simply won’t BELIEVE it until they are on a set reading off their lines. Period. Until then it’s just more noise. We’re way past the point of ‘trust me bro’.
The funny thing is only one of these projects sound like they were ever near the production stage which was the Noah Hawley movie. His was the only one that sounded like they had all the major components in place: an approved budget, a finished script, the main actors signed on (IIRC) and sets being built and it STILL didn’t happen.
Getting a another press release they are writing a script and hiring a director obviously means jack all for these movies anymore.
The Starfleet origin movie feels like latest example of another nonstarter.
The guys running the Amazon Lord of the Rings series who wrote the Kirk and dad Kelvin movie made some remarks about how they thought their project was a go until it got cancelled, something to the effect of it was as close to production as you could get before actually starting production.
Yep they were very close. But I’m so happy that didn’t happen. The Thor being locked in a transporter premise sounded very bad. Perfect for h-a-c-k-y JJ verse lol, but still very stupid.
Yeah, another great example. And that only got cancelled because Chris Pine and Chris Hemsworth walked away from doing it when Paramount wanted to cut their salaries. If it wasn’t for that, I’m 99% sure that movie would’ve gotten made.
And I remember everyone thought they would just work it out in a few weeks or months and instead, as you stated they just cancelled it altogether.
I was convinced that movie was going to happen too and was 95% sure of it. And I pushed back on people (like that moron Phil) who said it wasn’t a done deal. And he was right (still a moron though). But EVER since then, me and Phil have been on the same page. And I have doubted everything since for two big reasons. A. That was the last movie we had heard the cast was either signed on to do it or in negotiations to sign on and B. The fact they didn’t want to pay them made it clear they had lost faith in these movies or just Star Trek movies in general. And that’s been very obvious ever since.
But as said, it did look like Hawley’s thing was at least going to happen but I guess someone got cold feet in the end which goes back to item B. ;)
Hawley’s project got killed because the management of Paramount changed and they cancelled a bunch of projects done by the previous regime. It was pure spite it sounds like by management levels above Hawley’s pay grade fighting with each other. Hooray for Hollywood.
Also there were no recognisable Trek characters
Yeah this was very frustrating it got canceled because the Hawley movie was actually the one I was the most interested in out of all of them since it was with new characters. And I imagine it was probably a much cheaper movie too and why it got approved.
But I do remember reading they were also a little nervous about the supposed virus story line it had and was afraid it was a little too topical considering the pandemic was still raging then.
No idea how true that is but it’s all disappointing regardless.
The budget isn’t as much of an issue as the scheduling. They can find a way to do it for less than the other films cost, even the biggest franchises are reducing expenditures when they can now. Alien, Kung Fu Panda and Transformers have all been noted as having economized for their latest movies.
But no one in that cast is waiting around for them to call. Pine is always busy, Saldana has Avatar for a start, Urban will be working on The Boys for months, and Pegg and Cho are not wanting for work. Quinto is in the news because he’s doing PR for his new series which could easily keep him occupied for much of the next few years if it takes off. Reviews are good, apart from USA Today, which eviscerated it. Fun fact, his mother on the show is played by Donna Murphy.
I’m sorry Ian I really disagree with you over the scheduling thing. That’s not remotely it because they have never bothered to try to sign on any of these people to even work out scheduling first and foremost.
The last time they pretended they were making a movie with them back in 2022, NONE of them even got a phone call about it. They announced it without even telling them another movie was being made.
This is literally why it’s nothing but smoke and mirrors. Why would you announce a movie and a STARTING date if you never bothered to call any of your actors about if they even do the movie first? And especially when you know many are busy as you said. Zachery Quinto, Chris Pine and Karl Urban all confirmed no one ever called them. Zoe Saldana literally said she only heard about another movie (I guess the one being worked on now) was still happening by hearing about it online like the rest of us. That was reported here last year too.
So all these people have said they haven’t heard a peep from Paramount.
And I always go back to the Marvel example. Most of those people are now HUGE stars, oddly mostly thanks to Marvel lol and they have NO problem getting a dozen or so actors back for the latest Avengers movie or Disney+ shows. If the MCU can find a way to stick 30 actors in Infinity War who have busy schedules they can find a way to put six actors in a Star Trek movie.
And remember Zoe Saldana is also part of the MCU who was in Infinity War and Endgame along with the GOTG movies and had no problem starring in 5 movies in a 7 year period with multiple other big stars.
End of the day it comes down to commitment and money. You have enough of it like Marvel does EVERYONE figures it out.
When you’re too cheap to even negotiate with your cast like Paramount is before announcing these things, it’s not a shock why nothing is getting done.
And lastly that doesn’t explain all the non Kelvin movies getting canceled. They can start from scratch and those never get far either.
Exactly bro. That’s not how it works, not for big IP sequels. Usually it’s the opposite, you get the actors and crew back, have them sign on, work out their schedules and then AFTER you do that you announce the movie and and an opening date
Paramount isn’t announcing the next Mission Impossible movie until they are 100% sure Tom Cruise wants to do it first and have the time to do it and he’s just one guy.
You mentioned Marvel and they actually signed all the big actors first when they announced Infinity War and Endgame and did it YEAR before they started shooting it. And most of them were still under contract so that made it easier. So that gave them time for those actors to work out their schedules with other projects. And several were shooting other movies or shows but they found ways to shoot some of their scened separate from the others and put them in the same scenes in editing later.
I think Anson Mount said for Dr. Strange he didn’t meet Patrick Stewart even though they were in the same scene because Stewart was actually shooting Picard and shot his scenes separately too.
Stewart was basically a cameo so it probably wasn’t a big deal but they signed them on and figured it out BEFORE they announce the freaking movie.
Marvel is a well oiled machine. They announce their movies years in advance because they are trying to fit all of these moving parts together and they get it done 90% of the time. Some get delayed (like Blade lol) or even canceled but they try to figure all that out way in advance. That’s why they have no problem making 3-4 movies a year and sometimes with big ensemble casts.
With JJ verse 4, they announce them but never call anyone before they announce them lol. Huh? Either they are just trolling or inept. Take your pick?
I mean the fact that every other article we get about Chris Pine discussing the next movie, it’s always the same two complaints A. He hasn’t seen a script and B. He has no idea what’s happening with the next movie because no one ever calls him about it. And he’s the main star.
So that right there tells you it has nothing to do with his schedule when no one has ever bothered to call the guy up about it in 5 years lol.
And to farther elaborate about Marvel, IIRC, when they made Infinity War and Endgame, most of the original cast wasn’t contracted for those movies originally because most had only signed on to do around 5 films And RDJ crazy enough only had a contract for 3 movies. So they extended all of them two years before they started shooting them. And which tells you no one really knew how crazy big these movies would become because Downy was able to demand any crazy thing he wanted after the first Avengers movie hit over a billion. That’s why the guy was able to get $50 million pay checks because A. he knew he was the face of the MCU and B. every movie he was in minus only one made over a billion dollars. The only one that didn’t was the first Spider Man movie and that still made over $800 million.
What was my point??? Oh yeah, that’s why usually when a studio is serious about making a big tent pole film or franchise, the first person they usually sign up before the writers, directors, etc are the main actors. Because as MCU has shown, those salaries gets only bigger with every film and as the actor’s fame rise, they get more opportunities and jobs so you usually make it a priority that they are still beholden to your franchise.
And of course the Kelvin actors were for the first three movies because they were all contracted at the time. And IIRC they did extend at least Pine and Quinto’s contract to the fourth movie. But once that died a quick death, none of them were under contracts anymore and for some bizarre reason Paramount just doesn’t want to sign them up again even after announcing other films.
Again, I don’t pretend to know how all this works. I’ve worked in media, but never worked in Hollywood. Never knew anyone who worked there. I’m just a movie geek as I am a Trek geek as others here so I follow stuff way more than I should lol. But the way it usually works is that once you decide you want to make a movie, you get the actors involved first (if it’s a big enough name) and then they are obligated to work out a schedule obviously. That’s how you can get 30 actors in a Marvel film, you hire them first and everything else is second. And the sooner you get them, the easier it is to work things out later.
In fact, every Star Trek movie AFAIK did this, from TMP-Beyond (minus O9 since that was a complete reboot). The TOS and TNG actors weren’t nearly as busy but they still made sure all of them were locked in before announcing another movie. Then they hired the director, wrote the scripts and figured out the shooting and opening dates later. This is the first time the opposite has ever happened (again, minus O9) that they hired the director and writers first, but not the cast. And especially one who has done 3 films already.
So that’s why I agree and it’s B.S. If they were this concerned about making another film, they would’ve negotiated with them long ago, even if they still didn’t know when the next movie would actually be made. I mean Zoe Saldana was contracted to make the next two Avatar films in January 2010. She didn’t work on them until a decade later. But when your first movie makes nearly $3 billion dollars, trust me, you’re going to work out a way to show up in 10 weeks or 10 years lol. Again MONEY AND COMMITMENT!!! So the fact they haven’t did that for her or the others for the next Trek film tells you they are not serious about these films and exactly why 8 years later there hasn’t been another one.
It doesn’t mean one WON’T be made, they can sign them up a day before shooting starts basically, but it proves there is no real priority to make them either.
Longest five year mission in history…
Voyager actually got home faster than getting another movie made. 😂😂😂
HAHAHAHAH
Exclusive: Leaked group chat texts of the Kelvin movie actors discussing the next movie Chris: Seriously, has anyone heard ANYTHING about the next movie?!? I did read on Reddit they hired a new writer…or was that for the other movie? How many are they making? John: Nothing bro. I really hope something happens soon! My last movie made $12 million at the box office. No joke. And that’s worldwide. Zoe: I’m sure it will do great in home distribution John! {Hugs} John: Thanks Zoe! Simon: Yeah, it’s completely bare. I don’t want to wait until I’m on a pension to do another one. Zachary: You tell me. I want to be in a big movie again. I have a new show on NBC though. I’m hoping it goes at least 12 episodes before they cancel it. Zoe: It sounds amazing Zack! I can’t wait to watch it. Karl: Give it up blokes, it’s not happening. Of course we would’ve had a movie six years ago if Pine, Mr. big movie star didn’t walk away from talks because he thought he was too much of a hot shot to take a pay cut like the rest of us. Now he’s turning into the next Peter Jackson. How well did The Poolman do Scorsese? I heard it played for 9 days in a movie theater in Toledo before it was pulled. Chris: STFU KARL!! Karl: What I say? Chris: By the way, did anyone watch it? Simon: Um, sorry mate, Internet has been down in my house for a while now. John: Yeah, me too. Zoe: I saw it. You definitely made a movie Chris. {Hugs} Karl: It was utter shite mate. Zackary: Why can’t they get another one off the ground?? It’s been over 8 years!! Did you see that interview of the head writer who named himself ‘GotohellParamount’ who left the last movie and bad mouth the execs? That guy was brutal but honest. Chris: Isn’t that Wanda Vision guy still directing? Simon: We told you he left for Fantastic Four two years ago. Chris: Right. I just need to be in a big IP again! That Dungeons and Dragon sequel is on hold since the first one tanked. Wonder Woman 3 ain’t happening. Jack Ryan failed. Would love to get in a Marvel movie though. Zoe: Being in big IPs shouldn’t be all we’re after as artists. You’ve done some impressive work in your smaller roles Chris! Karl: That’s hilarious coming from the Disney princess. Which Avatar movie are you guys working on now? You’re probably clearing $50 million from a movie franchise being made inside a computer. I’m sure Cameron can replace you guys with A.I. characters and literally no one would notice. I’m also certain that’s what writes the atrocious dialogue in those movies. Zoe: STFU KARL!! Karl: What? (Johnath Frakes has entered the chat) Jonathan Frakes: Hey guys what’s going on? RED ALERT!! CAPTAIN PICARD TO THE BRIDGE!!! Zackary: Frakes??? How the hell did you get in here??? Jonathan Frakes: It wasn’t easy, trust me. I heard about these group chats and wanted to throw my hat in for the next director. So at my last London convention, I called up Simon, told him let’s get smashed. We went to every Pub in London where he bad mouthed Tom Cruise for 9 hours and I got him so plastered I got him to add me to the group chat. I think he blacked out. I was fine though because I secretly only drunk synthehol the whole night. John: Wait…is that a real thing? Johnathan Frakes: —– Simon: I don’t remember any of that, but that sounds frighteningly accurate. It also explains why I woke up a few weeks ago wearing a Commander Riker T-shirt with the caption: “You’re my #1.” Jonathan Frakes: I was thinking of autographing it for you but then you would owe me $150. Anyway, I have tried to be a director on those movies since they fired Bob Orci on the third one and tried every single time a director has dropped out on the last failed project. I used to just call or text JJ Abrams to consider me every time another one left but I think he finally blocked me. So I figure you guys can push for me. Chris: Wait, you actually have JJ Abrams number? Can I have it? Johnathan Frakes: I don’t think that would be appropriate Chris. Karl: Yeah great. Let’s get the acclaim director of Thunderbirds to make a $100 million Star Trek movie. I’m sure that won’t flop worse than Beyond did. Jonathan Frakes: STFU KARL!! Karl: Why is everyone so rude today? Jonathan: Actually I want to try and make a movie pitch for it too after the next writer quits or gets… Read more »
Aw so nice of Zoe to be so positive to everyone lol. and i like Frakes’ multiverse pitch. Its exciting! (just needs some more TNG cast)
Thank you my friend! 🙂
I always imagined Zoe Saldana being the sweetest and most positive in the group listening to her in interviews.
And sure the more TNG characters they could stuff in, the more I can actually care about more JJ verse. Especially after Picard season 3!
Glad you enjoyed it! ❤️
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Man this was hilarious! It’s always fun to read these parodies you do. I basically lost it when Jonathan Frakes entered the chat lol. Man has no shame and why we love him.
And who knew Karl Urban was such a dick in real life lol.
And did John Cho actually make a movie that only made $12 million dollars or did you just make that up? That has to be a joke.
But as usual an amazing read.
Edit; You were not joking. I found it. Cho was in a movie that only made $12 million. And AI based movie called Afraid. It just came out very recently. I never heard of it. Probably why it only made $12 million.
I only heard of it because of my girlfriend. She likes that kind of horror-thriller/Blumhouse types of movies and wanted to see it. But she changed her mind after seeing how bad the reviews were lol. I looked it up and saw Cho was in it. But you’re probably right, they didn’t really market the movie but probably because they knew it was bad. Sure Cho did great in it though.
And Karl Urban seems like an amazing dude of course. I was doing a super cranky Mccoy persona who just says what he thinks basically.
Frakes is the guy who will do anything to just keep doing more Star Trek and not a shame to say so. I found an article back in in 2012 suggesting how Riker and the other TNG characters could be in the next movie and interact with the JJ verse characters. And he really did try to direct the third movie when Orci got the boot. That was actually true.
But as you said it’s why we love him! 😀
Glad you enjoyed it as well my friend! 🙂
Joking aside I would LOVE it if one day (hopefully soon) I wake up log on the net and find Deadline, Variety, THR (and TMcom) articles trending on my FB/X feeds that Frakes is directing ST4 (and it was going to have TNG cast interacting with kelvin, maybe adapted from Orci’s discarded ST3 script with you know who),150m budget, fast tracked for late 2026 (to coincide with the anniversary) that would just be all kinds of perfection! (imho)
Oh yeah I too would love to see Frakes not just direct another Trek movie, but any movie period. I know he said it was Thunderbirds bombing that destroyed his budding film career but it’s sad he’s still in the dog house all this time over it. I guess he’s just happy directing TV shows these days, but it would be nice to see him just do a medium budget drama or something. Something that doesn’t require a green screen or heavy FX, just focus on the characters and the conflict between them.
And let’s be honest, he’ll probably be pushing 80 before another Trek movie actually makes it into production.
He’s playing Kelvin Mirror Universe Spock on TV now.
Quinto’s take on Spock never gelled with me, personally. Especially after taking in Ethan Peck’s brilliant performances. I get that a lot of people love Quinto though, so I’m at peace with it if they do ever manage to make another Kelvin film.
Me neither. He always seems permanently pissed off to me (as Spock or any other character).
Yeah, he seemed angry all the time.
We needed TOS movies from 1979 to 1990 because there was no other new Star Trek (until TNG in 1987 – but it was unwatchable for at least two years), we missed the characters (they felt like old friends after decades in reruns), and there weren’t many other chances to see those actors (except maybe Shatner).
Now, there’s a constant stream of streaming new Trek (with movie-quality visual effects), we never really got to know the Kelvin characters, and these actors are everywhere.
I’d argue that the big IPs (Star Wars, Marvel, DC) are producing better stuff for streaming, overall (there are hits and misses), than they are for movies.
So, personally, I don’t see the need for another Trek movie. If anything, make a good limited series with these Kelvin actors to wrap things up (I don’t even really see the need for that, but hey – if it’s good…).
The Star Wars franchise is dying. If the Rey movie is cancelled what do they have left. A low budget kids movie, and a low budget kids show. And for us older fans Andor season 2 but it’s over after that.
I have no interest in Skeleton Crew or Grogu movie.
Mangold whiffed on Indiana Jones not sure i want to see a Star Wars film from him that is before SW like before lightsabers even. The franchise is in a dire place.
Yeah. I actually thought The Acolyte had a lot of promise. Sure, the pacing was terrible, the lead actor was wooden (not something unheard of in that franchise) and there wasn’t enough story there for the number of episodes. But I absolutely would have watched a second season.
Andor is great. It’s great TV, not just great Star Wars.
I wonder about this current need for constant content. In the 80s, it was a movie every two years or so. Now some folks get testy If we wait a few months before the next offering.
I would certainly like to have another Trek movie but it’s been very obvious the priority or urgency to make another one just isn’t there.
There are probably several factors for that, the two biggest IMO are all the new Trek shows has made putting out a movie less of an event and that the Kelvin movies failed to be the big tent pole movies they were hoping to be.
So much has changed in the last 15 years since the original came out. It truly felt like a special event at the time that attracted people who never seen StarTrek. But by the time Beyond arrived it was just another Star Trek movie that mostly appealed to old fans. And that was before a single new show had arrived. Now since we have Discovery, Picard, LDS, etc it will be harder to make the movies a bigger deal as before. And sadly streaming has trained people to just stay home and wait for a movie to arrive on Netflix or Disney+ in a few months. Sure all the true believers would show up opening weekend but it’s now a huge question mark who else will, especially after 8 years and counting if no movies. And few people are really begging for one including long time fans.
All that said, Paramount is in the movie business first and foremost. They obviously still want to make Star Trek movies but probablh trying to figure out how to play it going forward. I’ve said for years now the $190 million Star Trek movies are probably dead because of all the reasons I cited above. And the fact is movies are doing less these days. The big event movies are returning to the BO levels pre-covid but a lot of the bigger IPs are still slagging behind today.
So I think they are trying to make a much cheaper one and probably a big reason why the Kelvin movies keep dying because either they can’t make a movie that much cheaper or find the investors to fund it. They keep hiring writers and directors for it but rarely go past that.l because it’s probably a money issue.
I think the Starfleet origin movie is still possible but the complete silence on it also suggests they are no longer serious about that one either. Hopefully I’m wrong though.
It’s just amazing they just keep throwing mud on the wall to see what sticks and they can’t even get one movie out of the development stage. It’s really crazy.
I don’t know how much these development deals cost them, but they’ve become basically PR exercises to keep a Trek movie in the news
I love Trek and am enjoying what’s been coming out, but I agree. The TV shows are good enough, don’t ruin budget on a 2hr film, do another series.
That is not how Hollywood works, the case with Leonard was different he was a legacy. The long time in between films likely means the JJverse is dead.
If they (whomever owns Star Trek at the time) makes a new Kelvin movie, I will absolutely go see it, and likely buy it on DVD.
Give us a good story, good writing, something interesting, throw in some fun, and I’ll be happy.
If they never make another Kelvin movie, the end scene in Star Trek Beyond is a nice coda that the mission continues even though we never got to see it.
I loved the 2009 film, liked (but did not love) Into darkness and thought ‘Beyond’ had some good moments but not worth repeat viewings (beyond once more on DVD and twice in the theater)
I have exactly one ask for the film (if ever made) — don’t re-cast Chekov. The movie can easily establish he is not captain of another ship and celebrated a hero and great captain. No need to kill off the character, just establish he has moved on. RIP Anton.
Agreed on all your points. Though I hated Beyond for robbing us of Bob’s movie, which really is not fair but there it is.
Agreed on Beyond, the fact it robbed me of Orcis ST3 with Bill Shatner felt like (and still does) an attack upon my very soul,
OK I saw this old article and I had to laugh…..hard!
trekmovie.com/2023/10/01/paramount-reportedly-working-to-get-star-trek-4-into-pre-production-quickly/
Look at the name of the article and then look at the date it was posted. Happy Anniversary? I don’t think I’ve ever seen this article before. But I guess ‘quickly’ is all relative these days. I don’t know how producing one Star Trek movie after making 13 of them in 30 years could be this much of a struggle today? It really does feel like the studio is just trolling the fan base at this point. Or are they just this inept? Or just too broke? Maybe it’s all the above.
Maybe Quinto will sing a different tune when he reads it. ;)
I remember posting in that thread! 😂
The comment section is even more hysterical looking at it again although 90% of the posts were actually on point and knew it was just more horse manure Paramount was shoveling.
But then there is the gullible former resident lunatic thumping his chest literally calling out people like my buddy Amirami telling him he was wrong to believe there was no movie happening; because the former resident lunatic believed every clickbait press release Paramount has released in the last 5 years. But there he is telling everyone how right he’ll be proven even though no one ever challenged the guy over it or remotely cared. Pathetic
Guy was such ridiculous 🤡.
And every single word I said in that article still stands a year later because there is still not a movie in production. Any movie. Shocking. I know. Very very Shocking.
And to answer your question, yep, it’s all the above! Those other clowns obviously don’t have a clue what they’re doing and why the company is in the hole it’s in today.
RIP JJ verse: 2009-2016. Say hello to the great Koala for us! 🐨
Actually I haven’t read the comments. It was already very late when I saw the article. I just saw the headline and posted it because it just felt soooo ironic. But yes I’m 99.9% sure I think I know who you’re talking about lol.
But there is no reason to attack or call out Amirami on anything because he’s awesome. I’m not just saying that because he always agrees with me lol. But because he’s one of the nicest people here who has never gotten triggered or angry about anything. I have never seen him attack anyone, turn everything into a silly argument or make anything personal. He’s never offended because someone said something mean about a show or a movie he happens to like (I try not to myself, but I always lose it anytime someone says DS9 is just OK ;)). Always a great guy to talk to and we have the greatest conversations!
And yes, he is also just realistic about where things stand with these movies as most of us are. I hope a year from now, someone won’t be pulling up this thread to mock the fact there has still been no movement on anything…but sadly you can’t rule it out either.
Just make a fcking movie already Paramount!
Totally agree about Amirami!
I like talking to so many here like you and others; everyone is pretty cool even if we don’t always agree on everything. But me and Amirami have been talking to each other for over five years now and we always have great discussions. He’s become my pal on these boards. And like you said he’s tolerate of everything and everyone. I have never seen him get triggered over a topic or what someone says. He’s very critical (like me) of the things he doesn’t like in Trek but always respectful (unlike me lol).
A big reason I came to this site was because a few people like him and Corylea from Trekcre were posting here a lot and that site doesn’t post as many articles as this one. So it was a way to keep interacting with them.
So to see him being called out by the former resident lunatic because he had the gall to question a movie they have canceled three times already which people like him are simply stating facts about is so obnoxious and eye rolling. I completely forgot about this article until you posted it again but it just reminds me why people like that shouldn’t be on message boards when all they want to do is keep score on silly things or want to constantly fight with others over it.
And the best part is the clown was proven wrong yet again. He wanted to fight with half the board over something the rest of us knew was just more BS. Instead of just saying something like ‘wow I really hope this time it’s true’, he couldn’t stop there. Instead he tried to gloat over it while literally trying to shame people who questioned another movie was happening that they been already delaying for literally 7 years at that point.
And now it’s eight years…and still counting! 😂🙄
OK I got it out of my system. Sorry! 😁
I read most of that thread now and to be FAIR Amirami wasn’t the only one called out. He also called out Phil and some nameless people?
And no one cares if Phil is called out and shamed! 😉
And yeah Amirami is such a cool guy. And it’s weird to call out anyone when the majority of everyone on this board also doubts it lol. That thread made that clear that no one was buying it because we have been down this same transwarp conduit too many times to count. And those announcements just makes it worse when obviously nothing happens.
Everyone wants a movie or at least don’t have any issue one gets made even if they don’t care about it. We’re not the ones holding it up. We have zero power in this.
Been saying it since 2019, Paramount has no clue what to do with these movies and they keep proving me right. And I just don’t even get the point of trying to make another Kelvin movie anyway since they clearly have no faith in it or thinks it’s not going to do very well. Again I’m not saying just wipe the universe away but trying to be a big blockbuster movie IP ended back in 2016.
Call it a day and move on already.
Phil is definitely awesome too! 😄
I just didn’t mention him because he put the guy in his place in the thread. And he really understands how much Paramount has been wasting everyone’s time and why that guy always gave him grief over it for just being right.
Oh, also I was a little confused about the Koala line at the end and then it hit me lol. Pretty clever.
Haha! The Great Koala is a giant transcendental god like entity that exists beyond all time and space in Star Trek! I think it controls the after life as well.
And the crazy thing is it’s completely canon! 🤣
Just looking at my comments on that thread I can barely recall writing them but at same time its not that long ago!
This is one of mine that stands out for me:
“I won’t believe it until I’m sat in the cinema munching marshmallow flavour popcorn and hearing Pine yelling ‘Fire all weapons’ at the Narada as the Kelvin limps toward the time rift”
Sure enough its still in no danger of being any closer , and now obviously there’d be a star trek popcorn bucket in the shape of the Enterprise or Spocks head (I don’t even think film specific popcorn buckets were a thing a year ago)
Yeah I think most people have said something similar in the last few years. I’m a little more forgiving and always say as others if they can just get actors on a freaking set filming a scene and then I’ll believe it. But not a single second before then. And it’s just comical they are still not remotely close to that all these years later either. Reading that other useless article made it sound like the movie was going into full development mode soon and probably should’ve been in actual production by now at least.
But just more proof this thing will probably never happen and if so is clearly years off now.
This was my first comment in that thread as well:
‘They all been BS and it’s sad to see gullible fans fall for it again and again and again and again. Even I fell for the Tarantino one lol.
I don’t care about JJ verse at all and would be happy it just finally dies. But if they really prove they are serious about making another one then the rest of us will take it seriously. When Chris Pine is on set in uniform reading off lines how he has to take down another super villain from the 2_ century whose out for Vengeance or another planet gets destroyed then you will have my full attention.”
A year later and Chris Pine still isn’t anywhere near a film set and reading lines telling another supervillian from the 25th century that it’s wrong to wipe out stars because Uhuras great great great great great great great granddaughter cheated on him with his best friend so he traveled back in time for Vengeance.
Fool me once shame on you. Fool me six times…
I want another movie with the Enterprise and Captain Kirk, don’t care if it’s Kelvin or Prime this cast or a recast. The fact we aren’t getting one on the 60th pisses me off.
I definitely understand. I just want any movie at this point, I don’t care what it is. It sounded like the Starfleet origin movie was being prepped to get made by the 60th and that’s clearly not happening either; at least not in time for the anniversary.
There is probably a better chance they get another TV movie or special on P+ or whatever form that service will be by then; but don’t get your hopes on that either. Just amazing how much Paramount has squandered the movie franchise to a ridiculous level.
Section 31 comes out next year. That is in time for the anniversary I’m not sure that was what people were hoping for, at least it’s something.
If that movie is what is supposed to represent the anniversary, what a sad time for fans.
But I don’t think so because it’s way too soon if it’s released next year.
It would be nice if one of the shows could do something special for it like DS9 and VOY did for the 30th. But I guess the problem is they are not released on a reliable schedule like the old days. And sadly we don’t know what will even be around then outside of SFA.
An announcement of a remaster of Deep Space Nine in HD would be enough for me but that won’t happen either.
I was watching the video on Paramount plus and the quality is not good it was like I popped in a VHS to watch Emissary.
Quickly is still years if you’re a sloth.
We’ll make it when we make it!!
They could be waiting for enough of us original Star Trek fans to die off 🤨
Interesting theory, After the OG fans caused such a headache for Paramount with the previous 3 films (esp ID and Beyond), just wait a few more years for the last to depart the earth, therefore no more vitriol causing controversy seeping into the msm, turning all the newbies off, therefore ST4/XIV = 700m (like Mission Impossible 4)
Dude this is the most bizarre logic I have read in a long time. Waiting for old TOS fans to die is not going to suddenly propel these movies to make $700 million. What are you talking about???
These movies simply doesn’t attract enough people to watch them, period. It has nothing to do with old fans bad mouthing a movie. Old fans bad mouth every single Transformers movies and 5 of them still made over half a billion and two of them over a billion. Now go look at their RT audience scores. Dismal. And yet they are super popular. When something has enough hype or interest it will make a lot of money, period.
You have to take off the super fan glasses and just acknowledge this basic reality. This franchise is a middle tier one. It will never reach the heights of Transformers at its peak no more than Sonic the Hedgehog, TMNT or Mad Max would. Not all IPs are created equal and many just have a lower ceiling. Paramount knew that as far back as the 80s.
And Mission Impossible were all huge hits. Only the third one was considered a big disappointment. Mission Impossible 2 still made more money than all these Trek movies made without adjusting for inflation and it came out nearly 25 years ago at half the budget.
J/k but rereading my comment I realise didn’t put any lols or exclamation marks, so it does read like am being dead serious! lol. It did get me thinking of how Kelvin Treks box office slightly mirrors Mission though, 1st film a big hit/successful reinvention (big hit for Trek anyway), 2nd bigger still (but suffers critically abit for being too basic/action orientated), then 3rd underperformed (but praised for being more like the original TV series), so by that reckoning they could potentially make the 4th (if it’s kelvin) the biggest one of all, if they get it right/get lucky in a zeitgeisty type way (like Voyage Home did) ..
OK no worries then. I’m sorry I was a little harsh but didn’t realize you were joking obviously. It just felt a little morbid to suggest people have to die to improve a movie box office.
But as far as can the next one do better than Beyond, sure. But I don’t think it will be the highest one either because I really think the series peaked at STID. Obviously I can be wrong but I just don’t see it doing that well internationally which is where it really has to pull it’s weight to get near half a billion.
And the only reason why the BO did better in the last two movies was because of China. But that was eons ago now and so much has changed in that country for a variety of reasons. Movies that were huge there like Marvel, Fast and Furious and Transformers before the pandemic now makes about a third today after the pandemic. In fact that’s exactly why Mission Impossible 4 was so big at the time, because of China. That was when they decided to open up their theaters to Hollywood more and the MI movies thrived. Mission Impossible 3 only made around $10 million at the time it opened there. But the fourth one literally did 10 times better and did $100 million. It was the second biggest BO only behind America IIRC.The other two did even better and got to nearly $200 million each.
But those days are over now and the last movie only did around $60 million. And that’s across the board with other big IPs like Marvel, Fast and Furious and Transformers. These still do decently but nowhere close to their peaks when they could pull in around $300+ million. Now all those make around $100 million or their last sequels anyway.
And I focus on China specifically because that was the second biggest BO behind America for Into Darkness and Beyond. And those were still just modest BO figures. Those movies only averaged around $60 million each. Good for Star Trek I guess but still very low for the big boys.
But now who knows what the movie can make there? It could do roughly the same or it could fo much lower today. And as I said since every major Hollywood movie makes extremely less there today my guess is much lower.
That’s the problem and why I just don’t see the next one doing all that well without China or a stronger BO overseas. What other country out there has the potential to do stronger than China did? Looking at how all three movies performed abroad and in places like the UK or Germany where Trek is also popular all did less than $40 million. That’s just OK at best.
And it could do stronger in America but again every movie has made less than the last one by tens of millions. And the newbies completely stopped caring after STID and why Beyond made $70 million less than that one. The ONLY reason Beyond wasn’t a bigger bomb was because of China.
Sorry for the rant lol. But that’s why I’m just very skeptical the next movie will do all that well because so much of the dynamics has simply changed across the board. And when Beyond came out there was no Paramount+ or Disney+, HBO Max, etc. You can’t compare it to MI 4 because that came out 13 years ago in a very different environment. And as said those movies were all still big hits minus the third one. The first two movies still made tons of money when China was a non factor. Not the case for Star Trek.